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Sharri | 1 August · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Bit Sharry Good Evening Tonight an exclusive interview with the
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Speaker 1: Jewish customer who is refused service by a pro Palestinian
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Speaker 1: staff member at Officeworks. What'sir, I'm pro Palestine.
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Speaker 2: That's okay.
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Speaker 3: You're here to do a job of luminade.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, we have the right to deny jobs.
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Speaker 1: Utterly outrageous and here will be joining the show live.
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Speaker 1: I'll also bring you Officework's unacceptable response.
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Speaker 4: To this saga.
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Speaker 1: Also tonight, concern the nation's housing crisis will worsen under
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Speaker 1: Clara O'Neil, and China blames Australian beef for the positive
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Speaker 1: drug test of two of its Olympic swimmers. Basil Zemplers
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Speaker 1: and Matt Canavan will join me to discuss. This comes
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Speaker 1: as the world is still processing a Chinese swimmer's jaw
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Speaker 1: dropping world record and one hundred meter free, with one
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Speaker 1: Aussie coach saying it's just not humanly possible that story
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Speaker 1: coming up. So at first, we've entered an absurd new
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Speaker 1: era where terrorism is, if not condoned, then accepted and
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Speaker 1: even understood by Western political leaders and authorities. Terrorists who
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Speaker 1: have killed thousands of innocent people are being offered plea
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Speaker 1: deals and if they're killed, the left is worried about what.
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Speaker 4: It will mean for stability.
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Speaker 1: One of the master minds of the September eleventh terror attacks,
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Speaker 1: Kaylid Sheik Muhammad, has been spared the death penalty and
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Speaker 1: instead given a plea deal by American prosecutors. Two other
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Speaker 1: Al Qaeda terrorists involved in the attack have also been
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Speaker 1: given plea deals. Now, these are the last people who
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Speaker 1: should ever be given deals for their role in the
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Speaker 1: murder of two thousand, nine hundred and seventy.
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Speaker 5: Six people in the Twin Towers.
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Speaker 4: Because what they did is unforgivable.
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Speaker 1: The families of those who died are reportedly devastated. They've
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Speaker 1: been waiting for twenty four years to see justice. The
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Speaker 1: New York Post calls it an atrocity of justice. When
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Speaker 1: Hamas chief Ismayo Honeyere was assassinated, you've probably heard concern
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Speaker 1: in the media about the escalation in violence, rather than
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Speaker 1: an acknowledgment or any praise for eliminating a bloodthirsty terrorist. Well,
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Speaker 1: recall when President Barack Obama made this famous announcement in
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Speaker 1: two thy and eleven.
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Speaker 6: Tonight, I can report to the American people and to
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Speaker 6: the world that the United States has conducted an operation
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Speaker 6: that killed Osama bin Laden, the leader of al Qaeda
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Speaker 6: and a terrorist who's responsible for the murder of thousands
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Speaker 6: of innocent men, women, and children.
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Speaker 1: Osama Bin Laden was killed when elite US soldiers attracked
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Speaker 1: him down in a Pakistani compound in a high risk,
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Speaker 1: top secret operation. The news was welcomed, movies were made.
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Speaker 1: The courage and stealth of the brave squad was rightly praised.
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Speaker 1: It was a great political achievement for Obama as well.
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Speaker 1: No one criticized the assassination out of concern or fear
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Speaker 1: that al Qaida would retaliate.
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Speaker 4: Of course not.
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Speaker 1: We weren't so weak in those days, and terrorists weren't
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Speaker 1: so emboldened.
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Speaker 5: So what's happened to the world in the past thirteen years.
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Speaker 1: The operation to assassinate Honeyea was brazen, presumably drawing on
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Speaker 1: high level intelligence. Operatives tracked him down and killed him
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Speaker 1: in his own home in Tehran in an early morning strike.
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Speaker 1: We presume it was Mossad, although Israel hasn't confirmed it.
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Speaker 1: It was without question an impressive hit. He thought he
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Speaker 1: was protect it safe from the violence of Gaza in
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Speaker 1: the powerful city of Tehran. The lesson, of course, is
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Speaker 1: that there's no place where these terrorists can hide. But
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Speaker 1: it's bizarre that the reaction to the very welcome news
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Speaker 1: that Honeye was killed has been muted, to say the least,
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Speaker 1: both by authorities and the media. Instead, there are concerns
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Speaker 1: for what it will mean for stability in the region
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Speaker 1: and what will happen to the prospects of a ceasefire.
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Speaker 7: The message to the other negotiators is we were on
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Speaker 7: the brink of a ceasefire, and they were very close.
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Speaker 7: The Americans thought they were within days. You someone has
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Speaker 7: now shot dead our key negotiator, and they will assume.
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Speaker 7: They will say it's the Israelis. We cannot now make
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Speaker 7: a peace deal with you.
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Speaker 1: And this could definitely have a negative effect on those
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Speaker 1: ongoing negotiations.
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Speaker 8: Certainly does maybe even irreparable damage to the ceasefire talks,
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Speaker 8: since Hania was essentially the chief Palestinian negotiator.
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Speaker 1: A ceasefire, by the way, that can't happen anyway until
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Speaker 1: the hostages are returned and Hermas has surrendered or has
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Speaker 1: been destroyed and is no.
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Speaker 4: Longer in power.
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Speaker 1: Well, it was a similar sentiment from the United Nations
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Speaker 1: after the Security Council held emergency talks following the deaths
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Speaker 1: of the Hamas and Hesbella leaders. The YUN concerned the
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Speaker 1: air strikes have made matters worse.
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Speaker 9: Dangerous escalation at a moment in which all efforts should
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Speaker 9: instead be leading to a ceasefire in Gaza.
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Speaker 1: Oh, Honey Yeh didn't remotely care about Palestinians. He was
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Speaker 1: living in obscene wealth while causing misery for his own people.
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Speaker 1: Not only did he order barberic massacres against Israelis, but
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Speaker 1: he was responsible for the military strategy where her Musk
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Speaker 1: fighters operate from densely populated civilian areas, despite knowing this
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Speaker 1: will cause innocent Palestinians to die. All the while, Honey
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Speaker 1: Air was safely asconced in Qatar, living a comfortable life,
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Speaker 1: plenty of food, and worth a call four billion dollars.
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Speaker 1: The phrase that Benjamin NETTNYA, who uttered early on the
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Speaker 1: need for moral clarity, encapsulates what we're seeing here. There's
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Speaker 1: a bizarre confusion about what's right and wrong. Some on
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Speaker 1: the left seem to think terrorism might be justified. The
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Speaker 1: concern over the death of a terror chief is bizarre.
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Speaker 1: You've heard the argument that the mission to destroy Hermas
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Speaker 1: is pointless because an ideology can't be defeat it. Now,
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Speaker 1: if you don't realize how warped this is, perhaps because
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Speaker 1: you're so conditioned to hearing it from authority figures. Well,
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Speaker 1: imagine if that was applied during World War II. I
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Speaker 1: don't kill Hitler and the Nazis because you can never
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Speaker 1: kill off the ideology of fascism.
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Speaker 4: It's truly absurd.
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Speaker 1: Yes, there's risk of escalation and retaliation, but of course
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Speaker 1: that doesn't mean you allow terrorism to foster. That doesn't
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Speaker 1: mean you pack up and go home and allow terrorists
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Speaker 1: to repeat atrocities over and over again without consequence. That
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Speaker 1: doesn't mean your own citizens should have to accept living
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Speaker 1: in a state of fear and violence. And it's actually
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Speaker 1: weakness in our global political leadership that has sent the
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Speaker 1: message to the Ayatolas of Iran that they can get
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Speaker 1: away with brazen strikes. They doubt America's global commitment to Israel.
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Speaker 1: They doubt it's global leadership. The realization needs to sink
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Speaker 1: in that yes, these terrorists are anti Semitic, but it's
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Speaker 1: actually anti Americanism that's driving them. They see Israel as
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Speaker 1: an arm of America because Israel is a democracy amid
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Speaker 1: dictators Iran, Hamas and Hezbealah can't comprehend that there are
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Speaker 1: Western values, inclusivity for all religions, ethnicities, sexualities, and genders
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Speaker 1: in a country in the very heart of the Middle East.
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Speaker 1: It's everything that Islamic extremism despises about the West in essence,
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Speaker 1: Jews in the Middle East representing democratic values, and Iran
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Speaker 1: and their proxies like Hamas can't compute that they've lived
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Speaker 1: on the land of Israel for more than three thousand years.
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Speaker 1: All right, a lot to come on the show tonight,
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Speaker 1: As I said, the exclusive interview with the Jewish customer
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Speaker 1: denied service at office works.
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Speaker 4: That's coming up.
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Speaker 1: But first now, let's bring in tonight's panel, Perth Mayre
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Speaker 1: Basil Zemplus and National Senator Matt Canavan.
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Speaker 4: Welcome to you both. Great to see you again.
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Speaker 1: Look, let's start with this scandal where China is blaming
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Speaker 1: Australian beef for two of its swimmers testing positive to
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Speaker 1: a steroid two years ago. Chinese authorities say that they
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Speaker 1: suspect the swimmers eight hamburgers, contaminated with an anabolic steroid.
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Speaker 1: Despite Australian farmers and authorities confirming that the substance hasn't
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Speaker 1: been used in any of Australia's beef production or medicine basil.
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Speaker 5: This seems as absurd as when the.
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Speaker 1: Chinese authorities tried to say that COVID nineteen came through
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Speaker 1: in imported frozen meat.
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Speaker 9: Absurd and absolutely outrageous, And the question obviously has to
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Speaker 9: be asked in response, is it possible that no Australian
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Speaker 9: athletes have eaten in any similar sorts of products during
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Speaker 9: that same period, yet mysteriously have not tested positive. We
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Speaker 9: know that it is highly unlikely to be true. In fact,
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Speaker 9: we know it's not true. It's a ridiculous claim. And
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Speaker 9: why would those two test positive but no one else
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Speaker 9: who's eating Australian beef. Think of all the athletes in
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Speaker 9: all of the sports competing all around the world at
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Speaker 9: the same time with a similar diet who haven't tested positive.
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Speaker 2: It is ridiculous, ridiculous.
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Speaker 1: Matt, there seems to be an issue here, China once
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Speaker 1: again not taking responsibility and trying to blame Australia. I
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Speaker 1: thought the relationship was meant to be back on track
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Speaker 1: under Albin.
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Speaker 10: Ezi well, like Basil has said, this is absurdly ridiculous,
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Speaker 10: and I think everybody right in the.
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Speaker 2: World will see it as such.
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Speaker 10: But there's a bigger concern here that you've hinted at,
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Speaker 10: that China seems to be able to influence and gag
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Speaker 10: international bodies of quite importance. We saw that during COVID nineteen,
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Speaker 10: where where it was able to almost co opt the
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Speaker 10: World Health Organization into it's hiding care, it's hiding the
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Speaker 10: evidence campaign to throw people off the scent of the
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Speaker 10: Wuhan lab as being now the prime suspect of the
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Speaker 10: origins of coronavirus. And likewise, here the Chinese authorities have
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Speaker 10: somehow being able to convince international sporting bodies to keep
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Speaker 10: these doping breaches under wraps for a couple of years,
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Speaker 10: and now they go off with these absurd excuses trying
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Speaker 10: to distract from that. So I think the bigger issue
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Speaker 10: is not this ridiculous claim that it's austrained beef. It's
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Speaker 10: that why has the Worldwide Sporting Body not being transparent
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Speaker 10: with these complaints or these breaches that involve Chinese athletes.
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Speaker 4: Absolutely, it's a really big issue.
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Speaker 1: And look, this comes as the world is still processing
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Speaker 1: Chinese swimmer Pan Zanli's jaw dropping world record in one
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Speaker 1: hundred meter freestyle over ninety one goal. He was up
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Speaker 1: against Kyle Charmers, who did an amazing swim but came
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Speaker 1: second got silver. Now Pan did that swim in forty
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Speaker 1: six point four oh seconds. I'm no swimming expert, but
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Speaker 1: I read the comments that Australian swim coach Brett Hawk
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Speaker 1: made on the Nightly this evening.
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Speaker 4: This is a big story on the.
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Speaker 5: Nightly and he says that that time is.
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Speaker 4: Not humanly possible.
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Speaker 1: Basil, what do you think I mean, You've got a
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Speaker 1: top Australian coach questioning this. There's no suggestion that swimmer
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Speaker 1: has any history of drugs, but there is a cloud
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Speaker 1: under the Chinese swim team.
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Speaker 9: Well, we know past form obviously, so we can certainly
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Speaker 9: point to that. We can point to that with some confidence.
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Speaker 9: There have been breaches in the past, they have been
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Speaker 9: found guilty, they have been suspended. That time was a
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Speaker 9: ridiculously fast time, and to beat Kyle Charmers by over
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Speaker 9: a second was either a phenomenal performance or a superhuman performance.
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Speaker 9: Without wishing to find anybody guilty of anything before the
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Speaker 9: proper process has run. Let me say this, I'm really
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Speaker 9: pleased that Kyle Chalmers swum from eighth on the turn
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Speaker 9: to be second on the line, because if anything is awry,
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Speaker 9: if anything is found to be out of place with
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Speaker 9: subsequent testing that happens post race, Kyle Chalmers is in
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Speaker 9: an excellent position to potentially be elevated from that silver medal.
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Speaker 9: Not pointing the finger of blame at anyone, but at
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Speaker 9: least Kyle's in second and can bump up. But it
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Speaker 9: was a ridiculous time, incredibly fast. He's either the absolute
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Speaker 9: greatest we've ever seen or there's something else at play.
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Speaker 1: Indeed, I echo all of your sentiments about we're not
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Speaker 1: saying there's anything wrong here, but if it does turn
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Speaker 1: out that situation that you just explained, Basil, I mean,
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Speaker 1: Kyle Chalmers would never get that moment back of standing
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Speaker 1: on the podium winning gold, having the Australian Anth.
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Speaker 4: And played and Matt.
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Speaker 1: I don't know about you, but we were all hanging
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Speaker 1: in there for Chalmers.
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Speaker 4: He wanted this so badly.
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Speaker 1: It was the third Olympics where he had Swami, he'd
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Speaker 1: overcome a lot of challenges and he was just he
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Speaker 1: really wanted it.
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Speaker 4: He was determined.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he really felt for him.
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Speaker 10: I watched it live and it wasn't remarkable second fifty
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Speaker 10: meters from the Chinese swimmer. I hadn't seen, ever, seen
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Speaker 10: a one hundred meter race in an Olympics final be
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Speaker 10: decided by such a margin. But look there's Basil said.
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Speaker 10: We don't know, we don't know anything, and I don't
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Speaker 10: think it helps throwing around accusations. Kyle did an amazing
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Speaker 10: swim himself, and good onying. Congratulations. Silver medal is a
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Speaker 10: fantastic achievement, so I'll leave it at that.
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Speaker 1: No, absolutely, it is second best in the entire world.
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Speaker 1: It's incredible. Australian politicians are reportedly being threatened more than
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Speaker 1: ever before. The AFP says that there've been more than
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Speaker 1: one thousand complaints of harassment, nuisance, offensive and threatening communications
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Speaker 1: against MPs over the past next year. Bazzil, you're a
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Speaker 1: politician yourself. I don't know if you've experienced anything like this,
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Speaker 1: but it is troubling and we have seen a lot
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Speaker 1: of aggression and violence outside the offices of some labor
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Speaker 1: politicians as well.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, it never had anything physically confronting. I've had the
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Speaker 9: odd protester at council House. You'd expect that for any
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Speaker 9: Lord mayor in any jurisdiction. But I must say online
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Speaker 9: it does come thick and fast. I've potentially got a
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Speaker 9: thicker skin than most I've had thirty years in the media.
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Speaker 9: It's a very good preparation for what you might get
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Speaker 9: in the political world. And I do feel well adjusted,
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Speaker 9: so I sort of see it through a bit of
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Speaker 9: a different lens. But I must admit if I was
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Speaker 9: a first time er, if I'd had no experience or
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Speaker 9: exposure to it and was reading some of the things
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Speaker 9: that can get sent my way in other politicians way,
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Speaker 9: it can be very confronting. And that online world, that dark,
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Speaker 9: anonymous world, that wed world where no one is really
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Speaker 9: held accountable, that's where this danger and evil festers until
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Speaker 9: such time as we're able to eradicate the anonymity aspect,
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Speaker 9: that part of it. I think it will continue to exist.
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Speaker 9: When people have to own up and own their own actions,
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Speaker 9: they often act very differently.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's right.
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Speaker 1: People feel free to say the most violent and vile
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Speaker 1: things on social media. Matt Canavan, what about you? Have
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Speaker 1: you had ever had issues with this? I presume you
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Speaker 1: would have.
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Speaker 2: Well of Basil's right. What Basil said is right.
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Speaker 10: I mean physically, in my face, I've never had anything,
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Speaker 10: never had any issues. But yes, that separation that exists
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Speaker 10: online allows people to put their manners in the drawers
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Speaker 10: or some people, it's only a minority of people. Look,
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Speaker 10: I would not support imposing some kind of removal of
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Speaker 10: anonymity online. I think sometimes it's important to get that
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Speaker 10: feedback online too, and people are less likely to give
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Speaker 10: honest feedback either if they're not anonymous. We've also seen
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Speaker 10: situations where people have lost jobs and been persecure for
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Speaker 10: just political statements they've made online. So I think if
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Speaker 10: we were to remove a nonanimity across the board, that
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Speaker 10: would lead to perverse outcomes.
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Speaker 2: But look, look, we're very lucky in this country.
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Speaker 10: We haven't had a history of political violence along that
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Speaker 10: stay that way, So I don't want to jump in
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Speaker 10: shadows here. We do have a very good security system
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Speaker 10: in place. We have a good culture in this country,
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Speaker 10: notwithstanding some people going too far online with their comments.
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Speaker 2: So I, like Basil, I'm.
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Speaker 10: Very worried about how it would discourage people getting into politics.
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Speaker 10: But you do develop a thick skin very quickly and
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Speaker 10: ultimately eurialize very fast. It's really only your family and
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Speaker 10: friends that what they think about you that matters.
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Speaker 4: Everybody else doesn't matter at all, exactly.
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Speaker 1: I completely agree with that sentiment, Matt Canavan. Now The
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Speaker 1: Australian's reporting that a new survey has found that nearly
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Speaker 1: thirty percent of Australian companies say they have no intention
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Speaker 1: of meeting net zero emissions targets by twenty fifty. Another
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Speaker 1: forty two percent say they haven't even begun decarbonizing their operations. Basil, Well,
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Speaker 1: has this been a bit of an unrealistic target given
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Speaker 1: we've just seen and New Zealand come out this week
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Speaker 1: and say they're not going to meet their twenty thirty targets,
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Speaker 1: Perhaps it's the start of other companies admitting the same.
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Speaker 9: Well, perhaps the targets weren't unrealistic, but the ability to
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Speaker 9: actually achieve those targets, I think we're seeing more and
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Speaker 9: more is increasingly unrealistic. The ambition has outweighed the practicality
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Speaker 9: and obviously the expense of being able to get there,
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Speaker 9: and ultimately, when there's a cost of living crisis on
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Speaker 9: in Australia and in many parts of the world. We
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Speaker 9: know what is most important to families is being able
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Speaker 9: to get through this crisis, to pay the bills, to
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Speaker 9: get the kids to school, to look after the mortgage
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Speaker 9: that has to and logically becomes priority one. And so
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Speaker 9: it's no surprise to me that some of these ambitious
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Speaker 9: targets are now a distant second, not only in family life,
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Speaker 9: but in corporate life also. We all want want what's
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Speaker 9: best for our environment, but we want to get there sensibly,
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Speaker 9: not unrealistically.
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Speaker 4: Matt Canavan final word, Well.
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Speaker 10: Look, you say that earlier that thirty percent of Austraian
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Speaker 10: businesses so they can't meet the net zero targets by
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Speaker 10: twenty fifty. I think that indicates that the other seventy
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Speaker 10: percent of the strain businesses are telling polkies they're.
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Speaker 2: Not going to be met. These targets are not going
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Speaker 2: to be met.
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Speaker 10: They're totally fantastical and the more we pursue them, the
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Speaker 10: high costs of the higher cost of living goes for you.
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Speaker 1: All right, Matt Canavan, Basil Zemplars, great to see you again.
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Speaker 1: Now after the break, our exclusive interview will be live
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Speaker 1: with the Melbourne Jewish Man who was refused service at
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Speaker 1: an office works because the staff member was pro Palestinian
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Speaker 1: and they're outrageous response. That story coming up right after
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Speaker 1: the break Welcome Back. A Jewish customer was refused service
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Speaker 1: at officeworks because the manager was pro Palestinian. He wanted
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Speaker 1: to laminate an article from the Australianish News, and the
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Speaker 1: manager at the Elstonwick Melbourne store refused.
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Speaker 5: Have a look, what's that I'm pro Palestine.
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Speaker 3: That's okay here to do a job of laminade.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, we need to have the.
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Speaker 11: Right to deny jobs.
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Speaker 3: Is that an office works position or your personal position?
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Speaker 4: It is an officer, so we have the right to
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Speaker 4: deny jobs.
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Speaker 3: So office works position is that you're pro Palestine and
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Speaker 3: you want to.
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Speaker 1: Take a why that's my position?
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Speaker 4: But we have the right to deny jobs.
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Speaker 2: What's the reason of denying.
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Speaker 4: I'm not comfortably proceeding with it.
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Speaker 2: Which part are you?
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Speaker 12: Not?
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Speaker 3: The entire thing?
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Speaker 8: The article?
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Speaker 1: It's anti Semitism, no question to refuse service to a
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Speaker 1: Jewish person wanting to photocopy an article from the Jewish
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Speaker 1: local paper. But what's most upsetting about this incident is
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Speaker 1: not even the response from the ignorant and racist manager.
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Speaker 1: Clearly she's been captured by the Prohamus movement. What's most
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Speaker 1: upsetting is office works response. The woman is still employed there,
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Speaker 1: the man was only offered one hundred dollar gift voucher,
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Speaker 1: hardly adequate for such an extreme example of racism, and
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Speaker 1: the woman hasn't offered an apology, despite inaccurate claims by Officeworks.
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Speaker 4: Earlier today, in a.
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Speaker 1: Statement to Sky News, office Works Managing director Sarah Hunter
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Speaker 1: said they were deeply disappointed that the incident occurred and
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Speaker 1: confirmed that the customer's job should have been performed by
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Speaker 1: the team member and that office Works does not discriminate
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Speaker 1: against our customers on the basis of political views, religious beliefs, gender,
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Speaker 1: sexuality or race. Office Works said that the team member
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Speaker 1: had undergone education and training and had visited the Holocaust Museum. Well,
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Speaker 1: this is utterly unacceptable and until Officeworks takes this seriously
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Speaker 1: and addresses it properly, that no one should shop there.
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Speaker 1: It's not the only complaint about anti semitism by the way,
21:57
Speaker 1: at office Works either, and I'll bring you another one
21:59
Speaker 1: on Monday. If Officeworks isn't going to take responsibility here,
22:03
Speaker 1: then we need to see some leadership from West Farmers
22:06
Speaker 1: it's one of Australia's largest listed companies and it also
22:10
Speaker 1: owns Kmart, Target, Bunnings, Price Line, Soul Patterns and Chemist,
22:15
Speaker 1: Catch dot Com, Dot a You, Beaumont Tiles and many more.
22:20
Speaker 1: The Office Works Managing director Sarah Hunter ironically told The
22:24
Speaker 1: Nightly just in May that hiring someone for their values
22:29
Speaker 1: was more important than their skill set. She said this,
22:33
Speaker 1: and I quote it is so important to ensure that
22:36
Speaker 1: you are working with someone who is a cultural and
22:39
Speaker 1: values fit.
22:40
Speaker 4: With your organization.
22:42
Speaker 12: She said.
22:42
Speaker 1: If that means taking extra time in the recruitment process
22:46
Speaker 1: to find the recruit who aligns with the values of
22:48
Speaker 1: your business, it will pay off in the long run
22:51
Speaker 1: once you have found that the skills can be taught later.
22:55
Speaker 1: That was Sarah Hunter in May saying that the values
22:59
Speaker 1: of an employee were more important than the skill set
23:04
Speaker 1: that was in May. Office Works had been either ignoring
23:07
Speaker 1: or not adequately dealing with the complaint of anti semitism
23:11
Speaker 1: since March when the incident happened. Well, let's bring it
23:15
Speaker 1: now for an exclusive interview. The Jewish customer. Welcome to
23:18
Speaker 1: the program. Now, I want to say you want to
23:21
Speaker 1: keep your identity private for understandable security concerns, but thank
23:25
Speaker 1: you so much for joining me tonight, Hi sharing.
23:29
Speaker 5: So tell us how did this all unfold?
23:33
Speaker 3: So I went to office works to get a page
23:37
Speaker 3: laminated from the Australian Jewish News and I had given
23:42
Speaker 3: the office works employee of the article and she went
23:45
Speaker 3: away to do the job. About twenty seconds later she
23:48
Speaker 3: returned and she said she can't do it as she's
23:53
Speaker 3: pro Palestine. I had my phone in my hand and
23:58
Speaker 3: started recording and asked to repeat what she just said
24:02
Speaker 3: and why she wouldn't laminate the newspaper. And the rest
24:05
Speaker 3: is just what you would have seen on the video
24:08
Speaker 3: and very.
24:09
Speaker 4: Quick thinking to film it.
24:11
Speaker 1: What was your reaction when the manager first started to
24:14
Speaker 1: refuse you service.
24:17
Speaker 3: I was very shocked, like very very very shocked. I
24:21
Speaker 3: couldn't believe what was happening. In the moment. I felt vilified, discriminated,
24:28
Speaker 3: and I also just felt embarrassed in front of others,
24:31
Speaker 3: the other staff members and the customers behind me.
24:36
Speaker 4: Yeah, understandably.
24:37
Speaker 1: So now this happened in March over four months ago,
24:41
Speaker 1: so for four months you've kept quiet about this, trying
24:44
Speaker 1: to get a proper response from office Works and also
24:47
Speaker 1: their owners West Farmers.
24:49
Speaker 5: Can you tell us what's happened?
24:53
Speaker 3: Yeah, So, as far as I understand, there's the process
24:56
Speaker 3: to follow. My legal team, Alex s. Flilmberg and Justin
25:00
Speaker 3: Azzarti and doctor Emon Kelly were writing to Office Works
25:04
Speaker 3: and there were some back and forth, but they were
25:06
Speaker 3: not properly engaging.
25:10
Speaker 4: It's unbelievable.
25:11
Speaker 1: So you're now taking legal action. They weren't properly engaging.
25:14
Speaker 1: You're now taking legal action by lodging a complaint with
25:17
Speaker 1: the Victorian Civil and Administration's Tribunal.
25:20
Speaker 2: Is that right? Yeah, that's correct.
25:23
Speaker 3: So even though they said they're taking this issue seriously,
25:28
Speaker 3: it's clear that they haven't. The anti semitic employee is
25:32
Speaker 3: still currently employed, which would make it seem that Office
25:36
Speaker 3: Works condone to behavior. It seems as though you know,
25:40
Speaker 3: you can be blatantly anti Semitic and still keep your job.
25:45
Speaker 3: I haven't got the whole claim in front of me,
25:47
Speaker 3: but we are swing it under the Equal Opportunities Act.
25:50
Speaker 4: Suing under the Equal Opportunities Act.
25:52
Speaker 1: Do you think it's appropriate that the woman who refused
25:55
Speaker 1: your service is still working for Office Works?
25:59
Speaker 2: Absolutely?
26:01
Speaker 3: Like I mentioned, I cannot understand how that would not
26:05
Speaker 3: meet the criteria for a for an immediate dismissal from
26:09
Speaker 3: her role. I even wonder if she's still acting as
26:13
Speaker 3: a department manager.
26:16
Speaker 1: And how has this affected you personally, you know, and
26:19
Speaker 1: has it shaken your faith in Australia as a safe
26:23
Speaker 1: place to live for Jews.
26:27
Speaker 3: Look, I'm extremely shaken. Even though it's been several months,
26:32
Speaker 3: I still vilified a target for anti Semitism, and it's
26:36
Speaker 3: it's just become a table conversation where you know of
26:40
Speaker 3: whether it's safe for Jews to just go about their
26:43
Speaker 3: normal lives doing normal things, even something as simple as
26:48
Speaker 3: you know, getting the newspaper laminated. And more so, especially
26:53
Speaker 3: since October seven, I think Jews have increasingly felt unsafe
26:57
Speaker 3: in the diaspora. And now I find and myself asking
27:01
Speaker 3: my family is it a matter of when we are
27:05
Speaker 3: moving to Israel? But not if? And this really really
27:09
Speaker 3: saddens me, as this is not the beautiful Australia I
27:13
Speaker 3: grew up and that we all love.
27:15
Speaker 1: Absolutely well, thank you so much for your time for
27:18
Speaker 1: speaking up here on this program. It's unacceptable what happened
27:23
Speaker 1: and for a managing director who speaks about values to
27:27
Speaker 1: think it's okay to have a racist employee.
27:30
Speaker 4: It's just not good enough. So thank you very much
27:33
Speaker 4: for your time.
27:34
Speaker 3: Thanks so much.
27:35
Speaker 13: Lie.
27:37
Speaker 1: All Right, we'll keep following up and covering that story
27:40
Speaker 1: next week. Now let's have a look now at Australia's
27:43
Speaker 1: housing crisis. It does continue to be a problem for
27:47
Speaker 1: so many families across the country, new dwelling approvals falling
27:51
Speaker 1: to their lowest level in twelve years.
27:53
Speaker 4: For the year to.
27:54
Speaker 1: June, there were only one hundred and sixty two thousand
27:57
Speaker 1: houses and apartments that were given the green light. This
28:00
Speaker 1: is a drop of eight and a half percent. It's
28:03
Speaker 1: just not enough to keep people off the street. Thousands
28:06
Speaker 1: of Australians are sleeping rough every night because of the
28:09
Speaker 1: demand in housing and services. Well, let's bring in now
28:12
Speaker 1: a shadow Minister for Housing, Michael Sucker.
28:14
Speaker 4: Thank you very much for your time. Michael.
28:17
Speaker 1: Look, before we get into housing, I just wonder if
28:19
Speaker 1: you want to comment on that interview that we just
28:21
Speaker 1: heard from that Jewish customer who was refused service at
28:25
Speaker 1: an office works in Melbourne, and their response that they
28:28
Speaker 1: think it's okay to keep that person employed.
28:32
Speaker 13: Well, Sherry, thank you for giving that customer a voice.
28:35
Speaker 13: I think this is a shocking example of the sort
28:40
Speaker 13: of twisted logic and twisted thinking that has consumed so much,
28:44
Speaker 13: particularly of the left in this country, that someone couldn't
28:49
Speaker 13: see in that case, that worker at Office Works couldn't
28:52
Speaker 13: see how blatantly bigoted she was being. That that wasn't
28:57
Speaker 13: something that was obvious to her. She clearly couldn't expel
29:00
Speaker 13: playing why she was unwilling to do the laminating of
29:03
Speaker 13: that particular paper, but it was just clearly a hatred
29:08
Speaker 13: of Israel and potentially of the Jewish people. I think
29:13
Speaker 13: it is depressing, though that swift action from Office Works
29:17
Speaker 13: isn't forthcoming. I mean, it's a clear cut case here.
29:20
Speaker 13: I'm not someone who rejoices in seeing people lose their
29:23
Speaker 13: jobs or rejoice in people being canceled, but you're as
29:29
Speaker 13: a business putting people on the front line to deal
29:32
Speaker 13: with customers in a respectful way, and it's the most
29:37
Speaker 13: blatant and worse form of anti Semitism. I think that
29:43
Speaker 13: you could imagine in that sort of instance, and the
29:46
Speaker 13: fact that the company couldn't see that that would be
29:49
Speaker 13: an obvious situation where that person was ill suited to
29:53
Speaker 13: dealing with the public and ill suited to dealing with
29:56
Speaker 13: quite frankly, any customer that walks through that door and
29:59
Speaker 13: asks for a lawful service, which is clearly what the
30:03
Speaker 13: customer you just spoke to did. So the truth is here,
30:06
Speaker 13: and you know, you don't want to draw too many
30:08
Speaker 13: long bows. But we have not seen any leadership from
30:10
Speaker 13: the Prime minister down on this issue since October seven.
30:15
Speaker 13: It's bizarre to me that we have a situation in
30:19
Speaker 13: this country. We're large groups of people think it's entirely
30:22
Speaker 13: acceptable to show their anti Semitism towards Israel, the country
30:28
Speaker 13: who was attacked in the most brutal way by Hamas,
30:33
Speaker 13: And I would say part of that permission structure that
30:36
Speaker 13: I think has crept into our society, I think has
30:39
Speaker 13: partly come from the fact that there's so many mixed
30:41
Speaker 13: messages from the Prime Minister in his government. No leadership
30:45
Speaker 13: on this. You could imagine a prime minister like John Howard,
30:51
Speaker 13: Robert Menzie's Bob Hawk. You could imagine that they would
30:54
Speaker 13: rise to the occasion. Here we've seen a prime minister
30:57
Speaker 13: that's not willing to offer that leadership. Instead, we said
31:00
Speaker 13: that leadership being offered by people like Peter Dutton, who
31:03
Speaker 13: you know has has obviously taken a very important trip
31:08
Speaker 13: to Israel. So I think it's shocking that this thing
31:10
Speaker 13: hasn't been dealt with until it hits the headlines, and
31:14
Speaker 13: even then it hasn't been dealt.
31:15
Speaker 1: With exactly exactly very well, said Michael, Completely agree with you.
31:21
Speaker 1: Let's return to the housing issue now that you've come
31:23
Speaker 1: on here to speak about Labour has committed to the
31:26
Speaker 1: target of building one point two million homes over five years.
31:29
Speaker 1: Do you think this is going to be yet another
31:31
Speaker 1: broken promise?
31:33
Speaker 13: Well, I can't meet the target, Sharry. I mean it's
31:35
Speaker 13: clear this year alone there'll be about seventy five thousand
31:38
Speaker 13: homes short in one year. Most reputable commentators are saying
31:42
Speaker 13: they might be lucky to get to eight hundred and
31:44
Speaker 13: eight hundred and fifty thousand, which would be the smallest
31:47
Speaker 13: number of homes over a five year period that we've
31:49
Speaker 13: seen for twenty five years. We saw approvals yesterday down again,
31:54
Speaker 13: and for your viewers, Shari, the problem with approvals being
31:57
Speaker 13: even further down is that if we're saying we're not
32:00
Speaker 13: building enough homes now and there are less homes being
32:02
Speaker 13: built under Labor now than we're under the former coalition, government.
32:06
Speaker 13: The lack of approvals we're seeing now is going to
32:08
Speaker 13: flow through the pipeline of housing over the next eighteen
32:12
Speaker 13: months to two years, which means even fewer homes will
32:15
Speaker 13: be built over that period. And the great irony of
32:18
Speaker 13: this situation now is we've got the failed former minister
32:21
Speaker 13: Claire O'Neill, who was dumped from the Home Affairs portfolio
32:26
Speaker 13: into this portfolio, now facing up to so much of
32:30
Speaker 13: the mess that she created in her failed job as
32:33
Speaker 13: Home Affairs Minister. Because in two short years of this government,
32:36
Speaker 13: we've had more than a million migrants come to this country,
32:39
Speaker 13: so we're running a world record gold medal level of
32:42
Speaker 13: migration in this country, yet we're building fewer homes and
32:47
Speaker 13: as I outlined a few weeks ago, it means we
32:49
Speaker 13: need to build a new home every two point four
32:51
Speaker 13: minutes just to house and accommodate the new migrants that
32:55
Speaker 13: labour's bringing into this country. So sadly we now see
33:00
Speaker 13: a failed former minister being put into housing and quite frankly,
33:04
Speaker 13: I believe housing is one of, if not the most
33:08
Speaker 13: important portfolio in any government and it shouldn't be treated
33:13
Speaker 13: as a dumping ground for a failed minister. Who's really
33:16
Speaker 13: ordered with being demoted.
33:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's an interesting point that you make that
33:20
Speaker 1: she was immigrated, well, she was Home Affairs Minister, so
33:23
Speaker 1: she was in charge of bringing in the higher levels
33:25
Speaker 1: of immigration that is now adding to the problem she's
33:29
Speaker 1: going to have to solve in her new role as
33:30
Speaker 1: Housing Minister. And we've also seen the reporting from Simon
33:34
Speaker 1: Benson in The Australian that the Albanezi government under their
33:37
Speaker 1: ten billion dollar housing fund has paid out thirty million
33:40
Speaker 1: dollars in executive salaries and bonuses, but as of June
33:44
Speaker 1: hadn't built it one completed house. So this is definitely
33:48
Speaker 1: going to be a problematic area and it's a crisis
33:52
Speaker 1: for families. Michael Suka really appreciate your time, Thank you
33:55
Speaker 1: very much. Now still to come, Tony Burke left to
33:58
Speaker 1: clean up more of the mess by his predecessor Andrew Giles.
34:02
Speaker 1: Plus the photo that has broken the internet. Ask my
34:06
Speaker 1: panel what they think of Macron's cozy kiss with the
34:09
Speaker 1: French sports minister.
34:10
Speaker 4: Stay tuned.
34:14
Speaker 1: Well, lots more to get through tonight, so let's bring
34:16
Speaker 1: in our political panel, The Australian's National Affairs editor Joe
34:20
Speaker 1: Kelly and commentator Jason Morrison.
34:22
Speaker 4: Great to see you both.
34:24
Speaker 1: Now, the new Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke has been
34:27
Speaker 1: left to clean up the debacle left by his predecessor
34:31
Speaker 1: Andrew Giles, with the news that two more foreign criminals
34:34
Speaker 1: have been allowed to stay in Australia. A convicted child
34:38
Speaker 1: sex offender and a man who was involved in a
34:41
Speaker 1: drug operation both escaped deportation under Direction one hundred and ten.
34:46
Speaker 4: This was the ministerial.
34:48
Speaker 1: Order which replaced the failed Direction ninety nine. Joe is
34:53
Speaker 1: Burke now under pressure to once again have a look
34:56
Speaker 1: at these directions and why they're not working to protect
35:00
Speaker 1: the community safety.
35:03
Speaker 2: Sharry. He's under immediate pressure.
35:06
Speaker 14: Tony Burke's challenge upon taking this portfolio as to be
35:10
Speaker 14: a Minister of action and a man of solutions. It's
35:14
Speaker 14: very important that he assert his authority to do that
35:17
Speaker 14: after ten months of mismanagement under Andrew Giles.
35:20
Speaker 2: So I think he should move very quickly.
35:23
Speaker 14: I think that the first thing he should do is
35:24
Speaker 14: override this decision from the AAT in relation to these
35:28
Speaker 14: two individuals. As the minister, he does have the power
35:32
Speaker 14: to do that. He should recancel the visas and then
35:35
Speaker 14: very swiftly I think he should overturn Direction one hundred
35:38
Speaker 14: and ten and replace it with a much stronger direction.
35:43
Speaker 14: If you look at Direction ninety nine and Direction one
35:46
Speaker 14: hundred and ten, there aren't major differences. Direction one hundred
35:49
Speaker 14: and ten still requires decision makers to have to take
35:53
Speaker 14: into account the connection between an individual and Australia. So
35:57
Speaker 14: that's Tony Burke's problem and I think he should fix it,
36:00
Speaker 14: should fix it fast.
36:01
Speaker 1: Do you think, Jason this is an issue that the
36:03
Speaker 1: Albanezi government is still putting, As Joja said, an individual's
36:07
Speaker 1: connection with Australia, not their citizenship, their connection above the
36:11
Speaker 1: safety of Australians.
36:13
Speaker 12: Connection of the individual above protection of the masses. All right,
36:17
Speaker 12: what are we up to one hundred and eleven?
36:19
Speaker 2: Now?
36:19
Speaker 15: Direction one hundred and eleven look after the Australian people first.
36:22
Speaker 12: That is the number one role of anyone in government.
36:25
Speaker 15: And they will see and be able to talk themselves
36:27
Speaker 15: in their crowded rooms of advisors that they have these
36:30
Speaker 15: obligations to all these treaties and things like that. Their
36:33
Speaker 15: obligation is the people who put them there and pay
36:35
Speaker 15: for them and vote them in.
36:37
Speaker 12: And I think that is forgotten.
36:38
Speaker 15: And I read that article in the Australian and no
36:41
Speaker 15: criticism of the newspaper here, but every paragraph is full
36:45
Speaker 15: of gobblygook from the bureaucracy that essentially goes through and
36:49
Speaker 15: rationalizes that this is how they think of things in Canberra.
36:54
Speaker 15: Well outside of Canberra, in real Australia, people expect their
36:58
Speaker 15: governments to stand up for some protect citizens and that
37:01
Speaker 15: is simply not going on here.
37:03
Speaker 12: So, mister Burke, you know one hundred and eleven.
37:05
Speaker 15: Direction look after the Aussies first mate, simple as that.
37:09
Speaker 1: Well, let's go now to Peter Dutton's comments about the ABC.
37:12
Speaker 1: He made them here on the program last night. He's
37:15
Speaker 1: a reminder of what he said.
37:17
Speaker 16: I think the ABC needs to have a recheck. I
37:20
Speaker 16: think Kim Williams really needs to show some backbone and
37:23
Speaker 16: stand up to people like Laura Tingle and others who
37:25
Speaker 16: have hijacked the ABC. I mean, I think there's people
37:29
Speaker 16: who really have been quite amazed by some of the reporting,
37:32
Speaker 16: particularly the ABC, and that's been expressed to us by
37:35
Speaker 16: different people on this visit.
37:38
Speaker 1: Joe, do you think this is a surprise move from Dutton?
37:41
Speaker 1: You know he's picking a fight, he says the new
37:43
Speaker 1: check Kim Williams needs to show some backbone. He's accused
37:47
Speaker 1: Laura Tingle of hijacking the ABC. Very strong comments from
37:52
Speaker 1: the opposition leader when you know he's going to need
37:54
Speaker 1: positive media coverage to get elected next year.
37:59
Speaker 2: Doesn't surprise me at all, Sherry.
38:03
Speaker 14: Peter Dutton has shown, I think, a willingness to weigh
38:07
Speaker 14: into media debates, to single out members of the media
38:11
Speaker 14: for criticism when he.
38:13
Speaker 2: Thinks they deserve it.
38:14
Speaker 14: Not just Laura Tingle, He's identified other members of the
38:17
Speaker 14: press gallery as well. I think that is a bit
38:21
Speaker 14: of a departure from standard practice from the political class.
38:27
Speaker 14: But Peter Dutton's got a point to make here about
38:29
Speaker 14: the ABC. The ABC has a responsibility to uphold its
38:35
Speaker 14: charter to provide balanced coverage and frankly, I think there
38:38
Speaker 14: have been a number of examples where the ABC is
38:41
Speaker 14: falling short, and I think it is critical to hold
38:45
Speaker 14: the public broadcaster, which takes in such a lot of
38:49
Speaker 14: taxpayers money, to account.
38:51
Speaker 2: So it doesn't surprise me. It doesn't surprise me in
38:54
Speaker 2: the least in that regard.
38:56
Speaker 4: What do you think do you think this.
38:57
Speaker 1: Is going to end up being a bit of a
38:58
Speaker 1: war between Dunton and or do you think more people
39:01
Speaker 1: should speak out about irresponsible journalism.
39:03
Speaker 4: We see that.
39:04
Speaker 15: Yes, because the public's already voting where they're remote. In
39:08
Speaker 15: ABC News viewership has never been lower. ABC primetime viewership
39:12
Speaker 15: has never been lower. ABC radio ratings are tanking.
39:16
Speaker 2: There's a problem.
39:16
Speaker 12: There's a message out there, Kim Williams, listen to it.
39:19
Speaker 12: Read what the public are saying.
39:20
Speaker 15: Peter Dunton, Yeah, you know, he's understandably frustrated with the
39:23
Speaker 15: ABC's You'll never win.
39:25
Speaker 12: You can give all the money in the world, they'll
39:27
Speaker 12: never be your friend.
39:28
Speaker 15: It's just sort of the sick thing that people in
39:30
Speaker 15: liberal party think if you look after your enemies, they'll
39:33
Speaker 15: be your friends.
39:33
Speaker 12: No, no, no, you're just emboldening your enemy.
39:36
Speaker 15: And that is the best way to treat. Treat them
39:38
Speaker 15: with contempt while they treat you with contempt. It's the
39:40
Speaker 15: only way to deal with them. I don't know why
39:43
Speaker 15: this is a hard lesson to learn. I just struggled
39:45
Speaker 15: to learn it, and Kim Williams is going to struggle
39:47
Speaker 15: to learn it.
39:48
Speaker 1: It seems like the chairs I only ever criticize the
39:50
Speaker 1: ABC before and after the job, and they take no
39:53
Speaker 1: action when they're actually there.
39:55
Speaker 12: Frustrating them.
39:56
Speaker 1: Well, let's finish on the photo that's breaken the internet.
39:58
Speaker 1: At least in France Ssident Emmanuel mccrun's intimate moment with
40:02
Speaker 1: his spots minister.
40:03
Speaker 4: It's caused quite the stir.
40:06
Speaker 1: With people noting just how close the French spots minister
40:10
Speaker 1: gets to his neck.
40:12
Speaker 5: Joe, what's his explanation here?
40:17
Speaker 14: Well, well, Sherry, sometimes photos very difficult to explain. But
40:22
Speaker 14: I think this goes to the power of an image
40:25
Speaker 14: in telling a story. And you know basically better than
40:28
Speaker 14: anyone how important an image can be sometimes when you
40:31
Speaker 14: are telling a story. Am I particularly bothered by this image?
40:35
Speaker 14: Not really, I mean I find it a little bit refreshing.
40:38
Speaker 14: I don't think he can draw any sort of wider
40:40
Speaker 14: conclusions about what's going on. I mean, both politicians have
40:44
Speaker 14: been married for nearly twenty years to their respective partners.
40:49
Speaker 14: Could I imagine a similar thing happening between Anthony Albanezi
40:51
Speaker 14: and Anika Wells, Of course not. I don't think that
40:54
Speaker 14: would happen in Australia. But I think the real story
40:57
Speaker 14: is whether the Olympic Games and the French hosting of
40:59
Speaker 14: them are going according to plan. Given all the numerous
41:03
Speaker 14: criticisms that are made about the Olympic village and so on.
41:06
Speaker 4: Yeah, and we have been covering those stories as well.
41:09
Speaker 2: They just missed.
41:10
Speaker 12: I just think they just missed.
41:14
Speaker 4: Coming out. But it is quite in a brace.
41:16
Speaker 1: She's holding his neck and holding his neck on the
41:19
Speaker 1: one side and then kissing him.
41:21
Speaker 5: I mean, the French are touchy feely, but that does
41:23
Speaker 5: seem a bit close.
41:26
Speaker 15: I think I think it was an accident, and I
41:29
Speaker 15: think it's the perfect case of two people who lined
41:31
Speaker 15: up for an embrace that was meant to be a
41:33
Speaker 15: peck and they missed.
41:35
Speaker 12: I just I don't know.
41:37
Speaker 15: I kind of want to give them both the benefit
41:38
Speaker 15: of the doubt, because it's not sort of the place
41:40
Speaker 15: you show the world the little secret that no one's
41:42
Speaker 15: meant to be knowing.
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Speaker 12: Unless we're all missing the secret here.
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Speaker 4: Who knows.
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Speaker 1: We'll learn one day, right, Joe Kelly, Jason Morrison, thank
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Speaker 1: you both very much.
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Speaker 4: Now still to.
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Speaker 1: Come, we'll hear from the US as Trump tries to
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Speaker 1: defend himself from yet another pie line. But perhaps this
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Speaker 1: time he made the wrong remark statuned.
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Speaker 4: Welcome back.
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Speaker 1: Well, let's go over to the US now, where the
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Speaker 1: former president Donald Trump was asked in front of a
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Speaker 1: national Association of Black journalists.
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Speaker 5: Whether Kamala Harris was a diversity higher.
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Speaker 4: Here's what he said.
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Speaker 7: She was always of Indian heritage, and she was only
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Speaker 7: promoting Indian heritage.
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Speaker 2: I didn't know she was black.
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Speaker 15: Until a number of years ago when she happened to
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Speaker 15: turn black, and now she wants to be known as black.
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Speaker 12: So I don't know is she Indian or is she black?
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Speaker 1: Well, let's bring you now the elections correspondent at the Federalist,
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Speaker 1: Brianna Lyman. Thank you very much for your time.
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Speaker 4: He's technically wrong. There isn't he, Donald Trump.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, Kamala Harris is half Indian, half Jamaican. That being said,
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Speaker 11: I think what Donald Trump was trying to allude to
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Speaker 11: is the fact that Kamala Harris is trying to play
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Speaker 11: up half of her heritage while ignoring the other half
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Speaker 11: to appeal to obviously black voters, because that is a
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Speaker 11: voting block that Joe Biden was actually losing. You saw
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Speaker 11: a lot of black voters who had really low enthusiasm
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Speaker 11: rates with Joe Biden, and Biden and the Democrats were
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Speaker 11: headed for a twenty sixteen repeat in which black voters
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Speaker 11: in particular, were so disillusioned with Hillary Clinton that they
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Speaker 11: chose the couch as a third option. Right, it wasn't
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Speaker 11: Hillary Trump, it was the couch and Democrats risk that,
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Speaker 11: so now they have to try to win back those voters.
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Speaker 11: And I think that might have been what Donald Trump
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Speaker 11: was trying to convey. Whether or not he did that
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Speaker 11: the best way, that's up for you know, everybody's own interpretation.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Look, it's been said that Kamala Harris brings out the
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Speaker 1: worst in Donald Trump's instincts, that he often makes sexist
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Speaker 1: comments about her, and I guess we're starting to see
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Speaker 1: or not necessarily sexist, but inappropriate comments about her, and
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Speaker 1: we're starting to see that. Do you think that proposition
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Speaker 1: is right that the way he's responding to her isn't
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Speaker 1: presenting him in the best lot.
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Speaker 11: Well, I would disagree a little bit. I would say
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Speaker 11: that I have not heard Donald Trump say anything that
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Speaker 11: was you know, sexist misogynists. Problem is is that in America,
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Speaker 11: you know, there's not a ton of conservative outlets both
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Speaker 11: on media, both on TV, in print, and so they're
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Speaker 11: kind of crafting the narrative. They have been known to lie.
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Speaker 11: They're still lying or lying. Actually, as we speak right now,
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Speaker 11: I've read a dozen articles in the past twenty four
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Speaker 11: hours that really distorts what actually happened yesterday at the conference.
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Speaker 11: When it comes to Kamala Harris, though, I think she
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Speaker 11: does one thing. She agitates Donald Trump, and not for
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Speaker 11: him to say anything that's sexist, misogynist, racist, but she
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Speaker 11: gets him to speak. And if you notice a difference
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Speaker 11: between the debate back in June to when Joe Biden
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Speaker 11: dropped out, Donald Trump was quiet. This is a man
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Speaker 11: who was tempered, and we know Donald Trump, He's never
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Speaker 11: this way, and it was working for him. People were
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Speaker 11: actually saying, where's Donald Trump? Like, why is he giving
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Speaker 11: us news to focus on? We have to actually focus
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Speaker 11: on the Democrats. Kamala is different. Donald Trump is now
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Speaker 11: kind of forced to go out on the defense because
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Speaker 11: Kamala is more active on the campaign trail. Kamala is
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Speaker 11: taking hits at Donald Trump that Biden wasn't literally able
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Speaker 11: to do because he was cognitively impaired.
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Speaker 1: And let's have a look at one of those hits.
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Speaker 1: Here was Kamala Harris responding to what Trump had to say,
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Speaker 1: and it was the.
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Speaker 2: Same old show.
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Speaker 6: The divisiveness and the disrespect, and let me just say,
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Speaker 6: the American people deserve better.
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Speaker 5: The American people deserve better.
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Speaker 1: So, uh, Brianna, it's a different candidate, but the campaign
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Speaker 1: strategy is the same, which is focus on Donald Trump
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Speaker 1: the man, focus on his divisive character, focus on the chaos.
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Speaker 1: And this is probably what we're going to see more
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Speaker 1: of over the next few months from the Democrats.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, and again, I think it's important that when we
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Speaker 11: frame this, you know, Donald Trump is actually not a
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Speaker 11: divisive figure. If you ask the American mainstream media, he's divisive.
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Speaker 11: But if you talk to the average American. I mean,
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Speaker 11: I have Democrat friends fortunately sometimes who will literally say yeah, like, actually,
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Speaker 11: the economy was better under Donald Trump. Hey, things were
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Speaker 11: safe for under Donald Trump. I have friends who voted
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Speaker 11: for Biden in twenty twenty that have changed the regis.
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Speaker 11: So Donald Trump isn't actually the divisive monster that Democrats
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Speaker 11: and the media have portrayed him as. But that is
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Speaker 11: their playbook. And the problem with that playbook is Joe
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Speaker 11: Biden won in twenty twenty because his message was I'm
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Speaker 11: not Donald Trump, vote for me, and that worked because
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Speaker 11: people were you know, they were consuming mainstream media every
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Speaker 11: day they felt like there was some really big problem.
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Speaker 11: But when you have four years of a Trump record
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Speaker 11: versus four years of a Biden Harris record, and she
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Speaker 11: owns every bit of that record just as much as Biden,
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Speaker 11: people start to think, well, what made my pockets feel better?
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Speaker 11: Who allowed me to put more food on the table,
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Speaker 11: Who allowed me to pay my bills with ease? And
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Speaker 11: that's the problem that Kamala Harris will have to overcome
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Speaker 11: with independent voters.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and inflation and cost of living of course, just
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Speaker 1: a big issue in the US like it is for
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Speaker 1: us here in Australia. Kamala is being criticized though for
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Speaker 1: refusing to do any interviews with journalists. In the past,
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Speaker 1: we've seen that journalists are able to easily pick.
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Speaker 4: Her answers apart.
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Speaker 1: She doesn't go well in those circumstances, but she can't
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Speaker 1: avoid them forever, can she.
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Speaker 15: No.
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Speaker 11: But Kamala Harris has this really luxury or benefit right now,
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Speaker 11: is that most candidates would have had months in the
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Speaker 11: public eye before the election, right Joe Biden was technically
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Speaker 11: chosen as the presumptive nominee back in what February. I
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Speaker 11: think our primaries ended maybe March it was clear that
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Speaker 11: he was going to be the nominee. Kamala Harris has
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Speaker 11: what ninety seven days left compared to most candidates who have,
47:23
Speaker 11: you know, six to seven months, who have that intense scrutiny.
47:26
Speaker 11: So she's going to skate by, you know, four months
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Speaker 11: of solid interviews, of solid scrutiny of questions, and that's
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Speaker 11: what she's going to use to her advantage. She has
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Speaker 11: yet to sit down for a live, sit down interview.
47:37
Speaker 11: I'm curious as to when that will happen, and I
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Speaker 11: think the fear from her handlers is that she has
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Speaker 11: the same problem Biden does. She can read off a
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Speaker 11: teleprompter just fine. She can you know, chat with people
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Speaker 11: for a minute or two here and there on the streets,
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Speaker 11: but when it comes to answering questions, especially about her record,
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Speaker 11: they don't really have a lot of answers to explain
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Speaker 11: why things have gone so poorly.
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Speaker 1: It's interesting Donald Trump does expose himself to hostile interviews.
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Speaker 1: We've seen that time and time again. The Black Association
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Speaker 1: was one such hostile place. But Kamala will probably try
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Speaker 1: to only do media interviews with friendly stations. That's what
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Speaker 1: I think is most likely going to happen over the
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Speaker 1: next few months to reduce the risk. Brianna Lyman, thank
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Speaker 1: you very much for your time and thanks everyone at
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Speaker 1: home for your company this week. I'll see you Monday
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Speaker 1: at eight and up now, Paul Murray