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You Ask We Kind of Answer · Archons Corner

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You love me, but talk mobile porn at the at your fingertips ship.
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You're right, I go to get a drink and what do I come back
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to? Goodness, we weren't being supervised. Not our fault. Yeah,
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he walked left us. We didn't know what to do with ourselves except talking
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talking about porn. So you went directly to porn. Great, Listen,
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I don't. I don't know if you've seen that. Mostly it's a really
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new video. But it's called The Internet Is for Porn? Oh yeah,
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no, no with the muppets. Yeah, it's pretty old. I think
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it's Cookie Monster actually singing it if I am not mistaken. But what's going
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on? Ready? I'm Wookie, the one the only w Wait, wait,
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how do you spell that? There's letters in? Okay, listen,
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we got off the porn topic. I thought, why we Why are you
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bringing it back in? I don't give the face I do well. I
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mean we are going out to Vegas there, some of us are, but
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I do not. There's more to Vegas than peigners. Gambling too. There's
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gambling. Yes, all of our great negative attributes awesome, there's nothing wrong
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with a little bit of gambling. There are there are show. There are
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shows though too. I could see and gambling from where I am. But
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I'll promised we're doing an ame. But first we gotta get all we gotta
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get the hype train rolling. I don't know how to do this over the
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band, wave the internat. Well, let's start dress. Where are you
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at? Yeah, that's exciting all. But I'm in Lake Tahoe right So
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I'm getting ready to go to Vegas drive down tomorrow, and I am,
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well, I'm in California, but I can literally see Nevada out my window
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here, and I can see the casinos out my window because I'm at the
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I'm like one hundred feet from the border at this hotel right next to the
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Casitos here in Lake Tahoe. Very nice, which is have you melted yet?
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Well, so I got off the plane I'm inside right now when I
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got off the plane in Vegas, because I did get off the plane in
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Vegas because flying into Vegas is way cheaper than flying anywhere else. So flying
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into Vegas and the renting a car drew up here. But when I got
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off the plane, it was one hundred and sixteen degrees outside, so that
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was that was hot within the last week, I know that Vegas has actually
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hit their all time high for temperature, and I mean looking at the attempts
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that all of our key Forge players are going to be experiencing. It was
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looking at one sixteen, one seventeen, when eighteen, when seventeen? So
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some beautiful, beautiful temperatures out there. But Keyfarde, we play inside,
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so we're okay, right, there you go. Now, there you go.
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All depends on how you don't forget. It's not just Vegas. Vietnam's
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this weekend too, right, That is right. I was actually messaging UH
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and talking quite a bit with Emperor Ku and so very very very exciting that
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we have two Vault tours coming up and you can watch both of them on
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YouTube. I saw he had set up a YouTube thing for the UH for
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the Vietnam Vault Tour yep. And because of the time difference, you can
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actually go ahead and basically being key Forge for three full days straight, which
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is pretty cool. Just like twenty four hours stream yes, no no no
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sleep just goes straight forward. Do you guys remember when we had different streamers
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coming in and we were kind of rotating with talking about key Forge, and
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they're different key fordge events. Do you remember that? Wait? What?
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Oh you don't. I don't. There was a there was an event where
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what when key Forge was kind of kicking off with GG picking it up,
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and then we had different streamers coming in and there were different events happening totally
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as left memory. Yeah, no, I don't even think it was with
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Game Found. I think it was when My memory may be off, but
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I remembered when g G first took it over, they had done like twenty
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four hours of streaming. That was during the Game Found. Yeah, it's
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still fun, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, But let's dig into
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these questions. We got a lot, a lot, there's a lot in
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here. Well okay, yeah, but before you get there, though,
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we have two vaults. Which vault do you think is going to be bigger?
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Oh that's an interesting question. So Vegas double Cat do we want to
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bat it? Well, Vegas is Captain eighty four, yes, and so's
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somebody Vietnam. Well, we don't know if it's going to make cap,
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but we do know the sixty ninth ticket spot because somebody has posted about them.
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They were very excited. Yuck, yuck, yuck. Yeah, so
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we got to back excited topic mm hmm keeps coming back. Yeah. So,
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yes, some people are excited. They can be very childish at times.
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But I do we do we think that we're actually going to hit eighty
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four. I think there's a high probability that that could actually happened. Yeah,
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that's exciting. That would be exciting. Yeah, so, and it
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would just prove that if you don't fucking put Vault tours on major US holidays,
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maybe you'll get some people to show up. Weird, thanks for thanks
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for donation. Where is the donation going for this next season? Oh jeez,
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I don't know. Well left, all right, Well, while you
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think about where all of our money is going managed to be alcoholics Anonymous,
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that's not well, As he takes the sip that the we don't go to
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meetings at ac we are the meeting that's right. Well, I think I
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think the turnout, No, I think the turnout is going to be very
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very well attended. Here. I know you talked about it not this Vault
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tour not being on a major holiday, which, yes, that that will
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hopefully help attendance. Well, isn't. And the last one wasn't. Last
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one pulled what seventy two people, seventy one people so many what Rochester pull?
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I don't know. Yeah, I feel someone in the audience could could
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go ahead and actually help us out here. I've got time for Google.
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No, No, I'm just saying someone in our audience might have that information
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that could type it and then that would help us. But anyway, it
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was very very good turn out. Yes, podcast, this is you want
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us to go at? There were one hundred and forty two yep for one
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hundred and forty two players that were playing. No, I can't let's get
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into these questions. Some of us are drinking heavily and might not make it
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to the end. Oh my god, it don't worry you are. You're
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just really pushing. I will tell you that. The other part that I
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think is important, I'm going to keep over this. Yes, this vault
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to our is not on a major holiday too. Sheep actually spoiled it and
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we were able to discover the location ahead of time, which gave people ample
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time to prepare boiler alert. How he got his pulletzer, Yeah, I
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mean he did all the hard work. Here. It's got a pulletzer.
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It's a polisher. Polisher. Oh, it's just it's a it's a shitty
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bowling trophy we've bought from goodwill will it was great. It also is a
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major airport that is fairly easy to be able to fly into, with Vegas
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being the destination it is. Tickets are also less than other locations, so
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I think all of those will add up to a very very well attended vault.
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I hope that Volta or Vietnam also has a good attendance. Really really
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excited to be able to see kind of the community over there. I've heard
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some information, but we'll see that. We'll see what can come up,
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and hopefully it's just great memories being built by everyone. Little sad. I'm
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not going to be there, to be honest, I'm sad. I'm not
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going to be there either, but you know where we will be. Don't
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all chirp it at once? What at a time? Please? Well you
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won't be there, dress car ohjenn in two weeks, gen come, I
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plan on being handed anyway. That was the most excitement. Just gonna drink
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heavily all five days, four days, however days, there's there's so much
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great gaming that's there. We're gonna play key for alcohol. That's all another
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podcasts that's a whole another that's a different show board games that's our next jour,
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next podcast, and another great donation. Thank you very much. I'm
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going to be looking up where we're going this. If y'all didn't know,
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the the AC trip to Roseville every year is sponsored by ARCIMS Corner podcast Sward
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Jar We we we do. We do have a good source of money coming
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in. I actually saw that there's now commuter train that goes all the way
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from Chicago up through Milwaukee up to If only there was a place that we
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could do it in Milwaukee, I wouldn't know of one. No, it's
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forty bucks, so we could even play keyforch on the train. Love talk.
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It's it's actually pretty pretty solid considering I will I will give an updates
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as Wookie is desperately trying to be able to take this plane off off the
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runway. Update is that I still have not found the episode where Sheep has
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Gone Ahead where I talked about punching Sheep in the face. Is this?
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This is this honest where people asking about this? Yeah, we were trying
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to try to saying like, hey, did you ever find that episode?
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I our listeners we should because I have gone through I think at this point,
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because we've done AMAS split over two seconds, probably never, I probably
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never posted it. That is, uh, probably in spreaker right now,
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just waiting for me to hit publish. I'm gonna tell you that I have
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listened years ago. No no, no, no, no, we haven't
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been we haven't been around that long. But I've listened to multiple casts and
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there's some really good am that like, you must hate yourself, I know
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I do. No, I actually found it really interesting some of the things
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that we've talked about in our last AMAS, and I'm sure that they will
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come up as we go through this evening as well. I'm sure they will.
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So let's get through it. When will Wookie published this episode? Are
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we talking this episode or last episode? Because that was out on Sunday?
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I mean this is episode number two and fifty two and fifty Boys and Girls.
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Wait wait this one? Yeah, yeah, this this one here,
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Well that's actually published. There's a number that have been hidden and blocked,
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and there are a number that might still just be in spreaker waiting. I
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will tell you that Sydney kind of rubbed it in that we were in front
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of them, and now they're at two hundred and fifty nine just because someone
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hasn't posted them. But I'm not using it an episode. Listen, we
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we've taken some weeks off. We normally take the week of between Christmas and
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New Year's off. Yeah, you got more episodes, but I mean the
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week between We We Love It and June twenty seventh, that week too.
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Yeah, basically basically when Wookie when when E was down in Florida. Yeah,
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well, I mean, you know, we all had life happen,
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so yeah, it just didn't happen. So it is what it is.
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We love you. We're teasing you all as well. I mean, hey,
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let's go check out other podcasters were I got some slam dunks I could
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put in there. I ain't gonna pull it out, you know, I'm
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a gentleman. I'm not gonna pull pull all the other slam dunks out.
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But it's all good. I I mean, there were multiple cuts at E
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Walk about Slow Play Dras Corps. There was an episode I wasn't even on
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there and I just kept getting hit from uh from slow play this. So
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go ahead, there is a solution to that. Enjoy playing key Forge now
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now that's that's not alous. Hey, I showed up on Tuesday and play
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Key Ford bet some of us some of us got stuck at work. Yeah,
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we all right, anyway, let's let's keep their rolling, all right?
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Who's your fan? Her host? And why is it you Walk,
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Junior? Mine is not a lot minus jazz car minus good places to drink
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sheep. I feel like we share the same energy. Mm hmm. I'll
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vote for you, Walk, Okay, So we all vote for each other.
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So this is like, you know when five people get to vote for
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the president and they all have everybody votes for themselves except everybody voted for everyone
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else. There you go, Well, isn't that like Pirates of Caribbean not
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the President? Like they all vote for themselves the movie? Yeah, that's
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the movie. That's the one. Yeah, all right, if AC has
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a cereal, what toy would they put in every box? I have an
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answer? Collar definitely. Okay, okay, I have an answer. Your
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miniature swear to are for you to fill. Yeah, that's a good one.
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I did not think of that. I immediately went with a rusted spork,
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but then I felt that we had to do a a decks just an
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aa we can't get rid of them, or how about a miniature bottle of
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milord. No, that's what helped from future selves puts in their cereal?
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Is that what they did? Okay? All right, fair enough, we're
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family friendly. I thought they just put sunshines and rainbows in there, yea,
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and allions they're like, they're like, no, no, you thought
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you were buying honey out cheerios, but actually the lions between that Cheerios captain
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crunch and like brand flakes. You're like, and it's not even you did
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not There's only one cereal. It is cinnamon toa scrunch. How did you
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leave that? That is my favorite? We can't put a good cereal and
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with all the other bad ones exactly who likes bran flicks anyway? Dickens have
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I don't know. I was going to go with a line, but I
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mean direction, Just so you can all feel my pain. D d Reaper
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asks, if you remove Alliance, what format would you replace it with or
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would you just keep it as sealed an ARCon? Yes, so all right,
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here's what I would do. I don't know if it's actually a good
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answer, but I would rotate the other format. The third format. Yeah,
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what are you rotating it with? I mean, so you could rotate
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and you could test out different ones, right, it could be you know,
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obviously there's lots of folks out there in no Discord Land. And then
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and then you could rotate it with some other interesting formats like Triad or survival,
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some sort of jank something other is a good choice. Yeah, I
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sat too close. Well, I think that a lot of people enjoyed survival
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and the chance to be able to play your decks all the way out and
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just have a deck that can run the contlet. I'm honestly in that I
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would prefer to see sealed than Arkhan. That's where I'm at. I mean,
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I would honestly just run sealed in ar Kan. I don't think you
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need a third format, don't. I don't. I don't find caring about
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Alliance anymore. Yeah, I don't think it just because it's a different award
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I can win, and somebody else does most of my deck building work.
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So it's fine. And as long as you have a deck that is built
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for you, it's still like playing an ARCon deck or a sealed deck.
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I will tell you that I have actually found Alliance more intro sting than the
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ARCon Field right now, I dig here's some of the same information from others,
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uh within our community. I Arkon is a little why do you like
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it better? Like it's just amped up even more, right, It's just
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like how do you as fast as possible? But there's different ways of doing
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it? Right? Like, there's more there is and it's not just different
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ways to ot K. I mean Mickey wasn't playing an ot K dick.
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He was playing scholar spam. That's not ot king, right, So there's
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there when you when you have Alliance, not only do you have the ability
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to play with the most powerful cards that you so desire, you also have
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the most powerful answers to So Alliance right now is in a better place than
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Arkon, is it? Just? I mean, go look at the numbers.
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The numbers don't lie right like I do. Numbers aren't telling you that
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it is much more diverse than anything. Well but well but but hold on.
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So so you're saying that because people can bring different things that therefore makes
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it in better shape, Well, I think is extremely The meta is more
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diverse all around, right, that's what that's what Look he's talking about is
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that the actual meta for Alliance unfortunately has a broader meta where you can see
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multiple sets competing and having lines to win, whether whether that is CODA,
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whether that is AOA, whether that is MM World's Collide. We actually did
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see DT which one honestly, GR in Alliance is a little bit less than
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where we've seen it everywhere else whereas in ARCon, GR is just absolutely dominant
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right now, and so there's a little bit of stale staleness, I'll say,
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with GR being so dominant in Arhun, that's the only thing that I
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could make that I agree it is a problem. I think yeah. I
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mean we're either going to see some sort of rata two wins of death or
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in a kyaduction and you're going to see it. Man, it's not It's
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something I hate to tell you how what g okay. So GR is basically
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been one deck that's winning. No. If you're looking at that, yes,
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But if you're looking at the top eight, the top eight is pretty
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consistent showing up as GR, and I think that's where the bigger issue is.
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If you look at the top eight for a life, it's not necessarily
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a bad thing either, like a new a new set dominating the meta right
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now? Who I mean, it's not. Again, it's not like I
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talk about grabbing new players, Like a new player can't go grab some coda,
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it's not available for them. So for the new set to be able
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to for you to be able to crack a GR deck and be able to
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go I can compete, that's not a bad thing. And I think I
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think the newer sets need to follow in its footsteps, where the newer set
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definitely has the ability to do our deck and compete. But why no,
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it's not I've you feel that you're in a better cut. You're not going
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to something that competes with Bandola. Well, I take ban Doola out of
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the equation, because that's that's an anomaly all in its own. Well no,
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I mean we're talking top level ar condy, you can't have to consider
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that. But but you're gonna have a much better chance of getting some sort
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of fire out of GR than other sets, right So, but the problem
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isn't that it's strong. So I agree with Wookie that having a great showing
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from a new set I think is not just good, it's kind of important,
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Like it doesn't necessari need to be this bake, but like if if
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ever guys comes out and just like it's not making any top eights, like
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that's a problem. So I don't know, so Amber Skuy's needs to counter
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g R or or come out with really good stuff or something. But the
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the issue is more the solo play type, like I just do all these
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things in all loop forever and you just watch me do stuff, which is
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a ton of alliance. So I don't fully understand why people like that an
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alliance, but like I think it's a problem when it there's too much just
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that looping watch me play. I don't think there's as much of it an
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alliance as you think. I mean, look at look at that one right
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where the guys like Frugs had to break, Like let me show you by
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rule of six on every single card in my deck and let me bark it
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off as I do it, Like that's what we just saw. Want,
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I've been to an event thousand years ago. Now that was literally in March.
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Was that April? It might have been April April? Yeah, that
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was April. It was three months a thousand years ago. Yep, might
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as well be, says the guy playing a coded deck. I'm old thank
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you. Speaking of what's the worst purchase in Q fourge history and why is
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it pink fraud? You skared a whole bunch of them. Oh no,
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no, no, well I'll come back to it. I just figured we
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were here, so we might as well just roll into it. I actually
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thought about this one, and it is clearly not pink fraud, as it
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is now one and is the most Vault Tour winning deck in the world for
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now. Yeah, so I can't respect that to stay that way, but
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but it does have that. Uh so it is done fine. It has
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seen a lot of play for the amount of money I spent on it.
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It has seen a lot of games significantly better than some other decks that I
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know of, which like zi bot Akari. Akari was more than half of
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what I paid for fraud and Acari played in one major event and didn't didn't
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make it. Right, So now that's also he bought that what like right
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before what Albany or Texas like back in right that a lot of time ago.
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The timing was rough for the purchase there, right, I mean,
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according to sheep in my dinosaurs were roaming the earth when when Ze bought Akari,
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So that. Yes, that is accurate. All right, what is
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the cool speaking speaking of dinosaurs? So, like we were hanging out with
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my niece, so it turned on paw Patrol Like I don't know Papatrol recently,
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but they're like there's like dinosaurs running around, like what they happened to
25:07
Pa Patrols? It's my kids were little, like they have to go rescue
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somebody who was trapped on top of the tri serrasop. So I was like,
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oh gosh, they I do have some other notable worst purchases in key
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Forge. All right, let's he anything Clint bought, right, some people
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know who Clint is. He bought bajave It, he bought amber Full,
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he bought Olivier. Right, Oh they're all they're great, tremendous, crazy,
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awesome decks. But they were all bought and put in a closet and
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then nobody's okay. So that is why Clint still around. Clint is alive.
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That's that smatters what I know. I got some other I got some
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more. Another worse per cha in key Forge. The size of the first
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print run of Coda. Oh yeah, they screwed that up big time.
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They bought such a small print run that it was immediately off the shelves and
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a bunch of people wanted to try and couldn't. But the short ahead you
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yeah, if you believe the way the story was told, like they had
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already purchased the second print run and it was already on the way it was
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it was launched. I mean, there was like a month where you couldn't
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get it in stores, at least a month. I agree with the hotness
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and the idea behind the first print run. The problem is is that if
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you overproduced that first print run and most CCGs TCGs just absolutely fail and fall
26:48
apart, and so you'd be stuck with all that. So I don't know
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if shorting, but I'm not saying there wasn't good business reasons behind what they
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did. But in the end, oh, bad decision. And then even
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the worst decision though, was the size of the first print run of AOA.
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Was there second I don't know, but the first print run of ao
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A, we are still buying for nine dollars a box or whatever it is,
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So that ridiculous stuff. So that's those are really my top two worst
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purchases in key Forge was the size of Yeah Yeah, and then if we're
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being mean, which I'm down for being mean. We know some large collections
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have been bought and sold, and I just can't see spending large amounts of
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money on key Forging that way right now. I don't know. I just
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like because because we don't know, because so I don't want a bunch of
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old stuff. The future is okay. I mean, we're pretty sure there's
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there's gonna be events. But the for me, the chase on key Forge
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has worn off, and it has to do with GR and that like maybe
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maybe enough GR opens that we can buy a broken GR deck, But the
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size of the community in the US that seems to be buying GR decks is
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the playing community, and so it means not a lot of them are hitting
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for sale. So like you just got to crack it, which I don't
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know, tough stuffed want to buy that old stuff? H yeah for me?
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Yeah, so I we'll see. We'll see what happens with Ebra Skies.
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Does a counter GR right? Are they going to print a card?
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A common that says if you have a card in your archive, you lose
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something. I don't know, Like, no, who knows, you can't
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I will say that that ridiculous, but like, you know, something,
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something where it's like suddenly you don't want to play Wins of Death or Spectral
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Ruth or you know that sort of stuff. And honorable mention on worst purchase
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in key Ford was the first bottle of Millort brought to an event. That's
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an amazing purchase. I we're just talking about I don't know about all that.
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Hey, it was the first time I had Milart. I did not
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partake. I know what it tasted like, and it was not the worst.
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It was not the worst thing that I've ever had as a liquid.
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Put into my mess that we're good that question. But as a whole,
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as a home brewer, there are some nasty, nasty concoctions that both mead
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and beer and cider makers go ahead and produce, and they are not all
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good poison girls. So let's let's keep it right there, all right,
30:04
dirty mind people? What is the coolest key Forge item you have ever received?
30:14
Mmmm? This is a great question. I really like to put that
30:18
in. Yeah, you did it, you it was right now scrolling.
30:23
Okay, coolest key Sports item I have ever received? I hate to say
30:30
it, it's still my messenger bag. The one you're selling I just for
30:41
for the mount I transport and go to events with. It just doesn't work.
30:47
If I was just bringing key Forarde stuff, it would work just fine.
30:55
I love my messenger bag. It's actually what I used to transport schoolwork
30:57
back and forth. Now I like that I can showcase key Forge a little
31:03
bit while doing it, and it is the perfect size for me. So
31:07
I actually did not get it from the prize wall, but I had to
31:11
purchase it off the secondary market. Someone just had it on eBay randomly one
31:14
day and I picked it up. But it is the best purchase I've had.
31:18
What's the coolest item. It actually was something I started to just I
31:26
threw out the mats for all the players who are at Worlds and for both
31:30
Alliance and Arkhan, and that is a math that I absolutely cherish and is
31:36
in the is in the basement, it's in a it's in a spot of
31:40
treasured fame. So I absolutely love that. I think that it's really neat
31:45
experience to see how many international players were at our first Worlds. It also
31:51
is a huge momental for me as I did very well and I was very
31:56
happy with that. The other item that came is and Father's Day, my
32:02
littlest gave me a little clay fuzzy gruin so emery actually like hand crafted out
32:10
of clay. This it looks like fuzzy grewen. But I like the little
32:15
momentos that are made from individuals or things that have sentimental value. I do
32:23
really like the luxury play style keys and the all the tokens and stuff.
32:29
They're they're cool and they're pricey, but they're cool. Sheep, what's the
32:37
coolest key Forge item we've ever received? It's not my fraud poster from World
32:42
Poster. Yeah. So one of the items that was listed in our May
32:50
fifteenth, twenty two AMA was Keyfoard sway you still appreciate and Sheep. At
32:58
this point you were talking about the character keys. So do you remember the
33:04
character keys? And that was something that you really felt was an amazing giveaway
33:10
that it was something unique in special. For me, this just jumped out
33:15
at me, like have you used yours ever? You mean the plastic figurines?
33:22
Yes, no, that's my problem, Like I needed to collect them
33:27
all. I actually tried to part ways with the ones I have. It
33:31
just it was interesting looking back on things that we have said, I'm like,
33:36
man, that was one. It's like Pokemon. I got to collect
33:38
them all apparently, so anything key Ford I wanted to have. I wanted
33:42
to be able to just have that little momento, and having the three unique
33:45
keys was important. But I've never used them, and I honestly struggled to
33:51
see that I will pull them out of their boxes. I feel like we
33:54
all thought they were like because they were going to be like limited and you
33:59
couldn't get them anywhere else, and YadA yatta saw it and so forth,
34:02
and then they just popped them onto Is it the games unterer who sells them?
34:07
Well, but you're doing a transition from FFG who was going to keep
34:13
them limited to Ghost Galaxy, who just got this giant pile of crap and
34:17
they'll plan for it, right. No, I understand that. But at
34:21
one time, even with the game found, it was like, oh,
34:22
these these have value, these have worth, Like this is the only and
34:27
I think at that point in time, we really felt like this is the
34:30
only place we're going to be able to get these, right, and if
34:32
you're not getting them now, you're not getting them because we've thought at that
34:36
point they were limited, that you could only get so many, and then
34:39
they just were on online for sale, and now it's like, oh,
34:45
maybe not, maybe not. Yeah, I think they're cool. I have
34:50
them on display on my cabinets. I keep my cards in so they're always
34:55
out. All right, I'm gonna skip the whole bunch of chitter chatter that
35:02
was in there, sheep pouring out fraud for sale. Let's see, where
35:10
are our ctp's vault dinners good or bad for KeyForge. I feel like that's
35:19
a mixed bag. I expressed my opinion on that, and I would generally
35:23
not a huge fan of information being released in that manner. That's why I
35:31
say I think it's a mixed bag on the CTP dinners, like they're really
35:36
good. I feel like doing it good for him to get out get what
35:39
the players kind of feel the community, right, it kind of grounds him
35:44
a little bit because I feel like every time I talk to a gg's staff
35:47
member, they have this idea of what KeyForge was and where it was headed
35:52
and what was going on, only to find out that that's not even close
35:57
to what they thought, is not even close to the actual reality of the
36:00
situation. But then like information gets released and now we're all clamoring for people
36:08
who are at the dinner to kind of figure out what the fuck is going
36:12
on. But it's not like that. So it is I guess Christians using
36:17
is a way to hear from the community and in some sense gather feedback.
36:24
But at the same time, there's certain aspects he's definitely not interested in hearing
36:30
about. Right, he's not interested in hearing us whine about awaiance. Right,
36:34
He's not interested see, but these are the things like he needs to
36:37
listen to. Though like that, I think I feel like I feel like,
36:42
you know, the pain points for us are just certain interesting points of
36:45
interest where he's like, this isn't this doesn't interest me. This is the
36:49
way it's going to be, and that's the end of that. And it's
36:52
like, you have a community here that's literally like we'll tell you anything.
36:57
Well maybe we won't tell you anything. Maybe some places will tell you anything.
37:01
And you have a really good opportunity to sit down with certain people and
37:07
to be honest with you, like they've never talked really talked to I mean,
37:10
we talked to people in gig, but I don't think we've ever honestly
37:14
had an honest discussion with CTP. Shit, he doesn't even bet. I
37:20
don't even think he could pull us out of a lineup. I talked to
37:24
him, I mean, so did I with the So I talked with him
37:34
a bit actually, at which one was at a rod Schester in the hotel,
37:39
and that was just like in the hotel bar, like I wasn't gonna
37:43
like hit him with some hard stuff like while he's having a beer, like
37:47
before he goes to sleep or whatever. So we was chit chatting. But
37:52
then when I had the when Andy P was kind enough to hand me his
37:57
uh ticket to the dinner, there's like I went up and I was like,
38:01
oh, yeah, I a butever and like somebody was like, oh
38:07
that's das Cor yeah told us about yeah yeah. But then I ended up
38:15
I'm still in a tournament, so I ended up passing it on so I
38:17
couldn't go. But so so at least somebody saying that Christian saying that is
38:24
das Car was like definitely some sort of education, so he might know who
38:30
we are. I don't feel like he needs to like necessarily, I mean,
38:37
because big he's got to know who the assholes are. Yeah, or
38:43
maybe he's just like a skip, Like I don't know, but like I'm
38:47
not going to say like we have a lot of good ideas, but I
38:52
feel like we have a lot of good ideas and like seeing and hearing them,
38:57
like and I don't mind being told like, well, yeah, you're
38:59
a is X y Z and here is why it's not functional on that that
39:06
good ignificant, on that good idea. There have been so many ideas that
39:10
have been stolen from this cast. It is incredible things that we've listened on
39:15
amas that have just come to fruition. I've really like that was amazing.
39:21
The one that snuck up on me, Wookie. This one goes to you.
39:24
You asked. There was a question on one of the ames of Wookie
39:28
asked for a new house theme and offered mighty morphin Power Rangers is what you
39:32
wanted to see? This is your fault that we ended up with, So
39:37
silly aer, this is your fault, buddy right here. Okay, all
39:43
the bad ideas come from us. How does this happen? Guys? Alliance?
39:47
Thank you Bookie, listen to us. Oh maybe Alliance is amazing.
40:00
Maybe we don't know what we're talking about it No, I don't know.
40:07
I totally forget. That was a house theme, not a set of cards.
40:12
I had no design, Like listen, the Aeronauts could have been dope,
40:16
right. The unfortunate part is somebody along the way, we're not they
40:22
went this should be an action, this should be this, and this should
40:24
be the like just like this whole thing, Like I forget what it was.
40:29
We were talking about it last week with like, oh, the fight
40:30
mechanic and we're like, oh, no, well that was that was for
40:36
the Mars, right, for the Mars thing, And we're just like,
40:37
oh, that's a terrible idea because I was actually I was actually talking to
40:44
City on Tuesday about this. I wish that they would put up a pole
40:46
that would allow stores and players to be able to go ahead and vote on
40:52
what they want to be able to see coming from the Elders or the rebels.
40:57
I honestly think that you should be playing for both and they should have
40:59
equal say. But by telling a store put it on your put it on
41:02
your website. But that's what while you're trying to buy the stores in who
41:07
are purchasing the product, but the people, but we're the ones going to
41:10
go purchase the product. We're the ones that are going to go ask for
41:14
it. I can't get what we're If we know we're going to get what
41:17
we want to see, we're gonna go buy it. And I couldn't.
41:22
Yeah, I couldn't disagree with you. But my idea behind this was that
41:27
you could go ahead and have the elders potentially as more controlling, or you
41:31
could go ahead and like there's different ways that you could play both the rebels
41:36
and the elders. You don't necessarily need to lean into just reap effects or
41:40
going ahead and having fight effects. I seem I like the idea of the
41:45
initial idea, but we're looking for I actually want a little bit more buy
41:50
in from the community. Put put in your information and that could be in
41:52
a questionnaire, that could be in discord, that could be in the Google
41:57
form. There are lots of ways to be able to gather information. And
42:00
yes, Wookie, you are right, most of us will be coming and
42:05
giving the information to the stores. Please go pick it up. She if
42:07
you did that earlier for our own store. We as a community kind of
42:10
drive this. So put it. Put it out together their information. What
42:14
do we want to see the elders or the rebels, do, but have
42:17
something that is meaningful for us coming into the future set. I'm fine with
42:21
a little stripe for the rebels, but as soon as you had fights,
42:24
we've seen a lot of pushback saying, oh, I could care less about
42:28
fight and so now there's a number of individuals who want to play Elders just
42:31
so we don't see fight effects. Well, and somebody's got to play the
42:37
Rebels. I skipped this question from Sunday. I did it on accident and
42:42
on purpose. I promise h win or lose. What is the most memorable
42:47
key Forge match you have played? Do you want you want to? I
43:00
feel like it's maybe a little bit of a cop out, but winning winning
43:04
the vault when I scared these so bad that he just conceded that, that's
43:12
still one of my most favorite stories. To find out like years later,
43:15
like that's not how the story went down, and uh, that was great
43:23
I think for me. I mean I still remember to this day one of
43:27
the store championships out in Madison, I think me and there's two matches I
43:31
remember, like so vividly, and they're both involved in the what was it?
43:38
The what's the board game? Place in Madison? We are bored.
43:44
Yeah, on board, on board, I'm bored. I'm I'm bored,
43:47
something like that. We used to go out there a lot. We had
43:52
the store championship out there and I want it against a certain person that two
43:59
other people didn't enjoy their company. And then the other one was a grand
44:07
championship out there, and Sheep I needed to win, so did Sheep,
44:13
and Sheep shep hir rolled the ship out of me. Just nine Saurian cards
44:22
and two turns. Yeah, it was a rough day, it was.
44:27
It was a great dance office until that. Let's just oh, look at
44:31
that is what it is. It was. It was still good, good
44:36
memories. Sheep mm hmm, what's your most winning your vault to her?
44:45
Was it most memorable? Or was it driving to Canada and kicking the teeth
44:47
of every Canadian on your way home? Uh? Now, I don't know.
44:58
It all kind of merges two together, like I've had. I may
45:01
I remember my most recent low points. I definitely remember the results of some
45:08
high point games, but like actual single games, they just don't maybe flipping
45:17
a table in Collinsville, I didn't flip the table. That's definitely that is
45:22
a game result that definitely sticks in my mind. And actually the last turn
45:27
of that game that had I made a different call, that situation wouldn't have
45:32
occurred. But I I made the wrong call, and I allowed him to
45:38
play a million freaking Logos cards to win on time, kind of upsetting where
45:46
I couldn't called Brobnarren. He wouldn't have been able to do anything because his
45:50
Amber control was gone there too, but he had broader forward and I was
45:55
playing Control of the Week, so I said, the hell with that?
45:58
You ain't playing with that? Well, that was the wrong it was the
46:00
wrong play. So I mean, like, I have stuff that I can
46:06
remember, like a recent loss against Sith and me discarding the my hard R
46:13
card and that's like stuck in my brain and I'm mad at myself about it.
46:16
Still, Yeah, watching z almost beat me on his Logos Library access
46:30
turn, like, that's kind of in my head. But I don't know,
46:34
not a lot of I don't. I don't spend much time dwelling because
46:38
I don't think it helps. All Right, e walk, what do you
46:44
get? So I'm gonna go with a local, uh, well, a
46:47
more recent game because apparently my memory is short. But when I was down
46:52
in Florida. One of the decks that was open for mm head double Arcane
46:58
Transmitter and for anyone falling along at home, it's common unfathomable artifact with an
47:04
amber pip action. Discard the top four cards of any player's deck, scrap
47:07
shuffle your discard pile into your deck. And this is Sophialitis's wonderful friend.
47:16
Howether she had double Arcane Transmitter and dark Heart of the Forest. And I
47:22
love my key forge, so I don't give up. But this is a
47:28
way to consistently go ahead and basically stick you with eight cards in your discard
47:34
pile even as you shift over. And dark Hearts can allow you with spooky
47:38
key charge to go ahead and key sheets, and I didn't have a nice
47:43
key sheet or any key sheat, and so I gained a whole bunch of
47:46
amber. But I couldn't do anything with the double Arcane Transmitter, and so
47:51
it was it was a really interesting deck to play against. It was fun.
47:55
But that's the most recent game that really stuck out to me. There
47:59
have been a lot long the years, but I enjoy those type of games
48:02
where I think differently and go, oh man, this common. I didn't
48:05
even think would have any impact on a game, and all of a sudden
48:08
it comes together with you know, in this case, dark Heart of the
48:12
Forest, and now it's a completely different deck, and I enjoy those.
48:15
I think that's what key Forge offers, is these commons and cards that you
48:21
wouldn't necessarily see in competitive play. All of a sudden, Stana Chansen doing
48:24
something, whether that's encealed or in a more competitive competitive play. Oh no,
48:30
this is not competitive, but it's it's in your local. But it's
48:32
something that was fun. It's casual fun, and it definitely stuck out fun.
48:40
All right, let's move into FIG's question, what's the future of key
48:46
Forge? Looking like your future sets are explicitly foil explicitly foils to GR.
48:59
I think we talked a little bit about this already. Number one, we
49:04
don't. We don't know, like we don't know what numbers guys has in
49:07
store. We don't. I think people are hoping I got our answers to
49:12
GR, but we don't know that it's definitely going to be answers to GR.
49:16
I I assume there will be, right, I assume there's going to
49:21
be artifact hate or excuse me, archive hate. So Logos is coming back,
49:28
right, so maybe we'll you know, probably you'll see Tsania, but
49:32
I suspect we'll see something. I don't know if it's in Logos or another
49:38
set, but another house, but I assume we'll see some other forms of
49:45
artifact. Why I keep saying that, probably because I'm drinking Archive hate,
49:52
and that will the intention will be to try to counter some of what's going
49:59
on in GR. I think they've got to attempt that now. The set
50:05
elsewise has to be strong enough, because if all it does is counter and
50:08
not much else, then that's not gonna be enough to bring it to top
50:13
eight, in which case it may not super matter. So the set has
50:21
to be good enough for it to better. Well. The problem is that
50:25
GR not only has massive archives and you can go your woodca, but there
50:31
are the mars as a whole. Can go ahead and just go off.
50:36
You can have the control lock and Unfathomable, you can have the major amber
50:40
bursts coming from untamed. I can go ahead and sit in an individual house
50:45
and just play that house geistoid over and over and over and over and over
50:50
again, and it becomes a solitaire game. And I think that's where the
50:53
struggle is it's not necessarily that it's just one facet, but there are lots
50:58
of different lines in g are that make it a very very very solid set
51:02
to be playing. I do think that amber Sky's needs to have some counters.
51:08
We'll see what comes out. But that's a really big ask right now,
51:13
and I don't see it happening. I mean, I poke it the
51:15
archives because that's what better enables those things. Yes, you don't necessarily need
51:22
the archives to roll six craziness in Mars, but like having archives to set
51:27
it up helps a lot, makes it a lot more consistent, right,
51:31
So if you take away the consistency, then then I think you got a
51:36
chance. I mean, if they put in a bunch of archive hate and
51:42
those decks go away and will bring that maybe that top cheesiest stuff down,
51:49
But like just means people will actually spend their time finding their good beanstock decks
51:55
and deckson don't recur. I mean, like it's your marks. Mars doesn't
52:01
require archiving to be good, so there there are other things, and yeah,
52:08
well it will take a little thing off top. But like ban Dola
52:14
doesn't have to play wins and archive all its cards to win like, if
52:16
it never plays wins, it's probably still just fucking I know, I know
52:24
what you're saying, though, Drazz. In regards to artifacts, we saw
52:29
Island to Miss It toys and Well of Memory again on Tuesday, and man,
52:35
you want to see individual artifacts completely transform a game, and this was
52:37
just very casual low sas tax to be honest, but high end it can
52:44
absolutely do the same thing. So there's there's maybe bring back jar that they
52:51
could do that is disc coming back in this next set. Yeah, yes,
52:57
I think so definitely. There's like four new sets coming out. It's
53:00
definitely one of the new sets. Yes, definitely one of the new sets.
53:12
And Tokens Appreciation not in. I think it's still legal, So I
53:16
think what she was headed for on this one is okay. So that becomes
53:21
a all right, we're going to counter gr which is great and it tones
53:25
down some some of the gr stuff, but it's not going to tone down
53:30
at all. But now we've seen what happens when you like game plan for
53:37
certain things, right, What typically happens is those things you just don't see
53:43
anymore, and then the game plan you went for takes a total nose dive
53:47
and the and the set does nothing. I don't go ahead and try encounter.
53:53
The worst case scenario is that this next set is a hard counter to
53:58
gr because all right, gr just now we all go back to m M.
54:02
Well now what is Umbraskys too? Not a lot dis is in amber
54:07
Skys. You have brob Nard, dis Aquadon, Geistoid Logos, Mars and
54:15
our new house, which I just want to keep saying is shwing. But
54:22
yes, table flip swing is what's there. But uh, I'm trying to
54:25
think off the top of my head, but that those are the houses that
54:29
you have pirates, all right. And then second part to his question,
54:34
is there a future for a game without set rotation or seasons for formats?
54:39
I'm trying to think of any game out there that has had longevity that really
54:45
has not had some form of set rotation before we talked about this, and
54:50
there was some other games that we just don't know about, because there are
54:54
some games that we don't know about, but the Keyn done it for a
55:00
very long time, and I give it credit for that. Yeah, there's
55:06
also games like like Warhammer or they don't rotate stuff, but they just change
55:12
the whole rules around on you right, that's a little different. Yeah.
55:16
I think that you're actually getting in enough houses and enough sets at this point
55:20
that it would be fun when going back to your question on vaults, that
55:23
you simply say these three sets are available for the vault, go for it,
55:31
or these for you know, limiting what is available in the pool,
55:37
in my opinion, makes it a little bit more interesting and would change up
55:39
the dynamic. I think it does, and it doesn't because I think right
55:44
now, like if you limit the pool, like Bandola just wins no,
55:49
because you can go ahead and say go ahead, yeah instead of alliance.
55:52
So you could do something like you know has to be has to have house
55:58
X, right, or you could do that. We haven't seen them do
56:01
any of that, but they could no, but you could, and then
56:06
it's like okay. I just think really comes back down to what we've talked
56:10
about for forever in a day, which is deck ascension. Like eventually a
56:15
deck just needs to say asta, luego and never be heard from again.
56:21
Well, I think that it needs to be ahead. I interrupted. I
56:28
think that the dec ascension needs to be there for the year. As soon
56:31
as you win a vault, it ascends until you get to Worlds. If
56:36
you want to decide to do something with what qualifies or what goes ahead and
56:39
is the top blank for Worlds, that's fine. But as soon as the
56:43
deck qualifies, it is out of the running. And so then you bring
56:45
in a little bit new, newer. I mean, sure you could do
56:50
that, but I mean and and will agree to disagree on this point all
56:53
day long. I think just I think dex ascension should just be you know
56:59
it, it is one, it did its thing, it's just now it
57:04
is a Sundator. It opened the vault, it's over. This deck's no
57:07
longer legal for a tournament play. I don't see a problem with it.
57:12
But I didn't. I don't open really hot bangers, nor did I spend
57:17
a bucket of money on a deck. So I will say that I would
57:22
love to see Sunday events like team events coming back that kind of comes to
57:28
events. Yes, that would be nice to come back. Yeah, that
57:30
would be awesome. Wookie. You also said on the five to five episode
57:35
Evil Twin Tournament, I would still even though it would be a small amount
57:37
of individuals, I'd like to see some fun events like that or DRez you
57:42
were just you were just talking if I was forced to play DT, we
57:46
hurt ourselves all the time. It's fun. You You also talked about houses,
57:54
like I think there could be a lot of fun scenarios where you're like,
57:58
you have to have this house in your built. Let's see what it
58:02
brings. All right, everyone must bring Sanctum. What do we at?
58:07
All sets are still available. Everyone must go ahead and bring Mars. Okay,
58:12
well what does Mars offer? Everyone must have Equadon. I think that
58:15
would be an interesting I think could be fun. But I don't think those
58:19
are Vault Tour caliber events. No, no, no, those are all
58:22
Sunday events that are fun that we need more social fund Again, we're talking
58:29
Vault Tour level though. No, that level that's still your sealed and your
58:32
ARCon and that's what it is. All right, let's move into Andrew.
58:37
How worried are you about being able to play your ember Sky's Kickstarter's cards online?
58:44
With it coming out with two other sets simultaneously and without the KFC preview
58:50
TCO devs, we'll have more cards to make in less time than the last
58:54
two sets. I don't got to worry about it because I didn't I didn't
58:59
pledge they have like powery to my not at all. But you're going to
59:08
want to play your umber Sky stuff at some point, right when you buy
59:12
it from your store. Right, Yeah, that's I have a Sheep,
59:15
and I have an e Walk and a Sydney and a Mister Perfect, and
59:20
we're very blessed and that we can go ahead and play in our locals.
59:22
And that's where I'm playing most of my keyboards right now. So I think
59:25
that's what Wookie's really talking about, is that we we can go out and
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play locally and we're fine. There are individuals that do not have their local
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scene, and so they depend on TCO more than I do. I think
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in that manner. Yes, there will be some waiting period in order to
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be able to get the cards I if I am correct, you're still looking
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at MMMM, which is going to be fairly similar. You'll have a number
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of new cards, so that should cut down a little bit on the workload.
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It will take time for TCO to update it, and during that time,
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go play with your friends, go play locally. That It's a great
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conundrum on this one. How many people are actually exclusively playing on TCO?
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Is it a lot? Do we think it's a lot. I mean,
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I have a hard time thinking that a lot of people are exclusively playing on
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TCO. Well, so are you? What about vast majority? Right?
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Like, I don't even think it's a past majority. I think it's a
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very small number of people. No, that's what I mean exclusively. I
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mean, I mean folks who are vast majority playing on TCO. That's what
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I'm meaning, not talking about the holistic player basics. But I still think
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that's a very small number. Well, I think people will get a lot
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more wraps on TCO and so that has an impact. I think that's what
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Drazz was talking about. Like coming back to our our earlier thing about giving
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up on Alliance and deck ascension, how about this eliminate our con. You
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run Sealed and you run Goofy Alliance, and all decks are ascended out effectively,
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Hey, all winning decks. No, there's no ARC on tournament ever.
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Again, you play I mean whatever the sealed and then and then if
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you want to use your decks for anything else, you play our con or
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you play Alliance, and there is no ARC on tournaments. So every deck
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is effectively ascended out immediately you played and sealed, and then once you're done.
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You can use the pods you want, and who cares about the rest?
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I think this came up in our ima. Why why are we even
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what? It solves your deck ascension problem? Boy, I can't wait for
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this article on Friday. Our am our in the past has talked about no.
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I just I did. I really disagree. The root of this game,
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where most of us came in is playing sealed Sealed in ARCon I think
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that that is where we need to go ahead and come back to our roots.
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That's where most players are. I think we have fun playing. There
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is zero argument out there I think from any key Forge player that sealed is
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not the best format for KeyForge. Yes, but it is not the only
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format either. It is not that only. But when it comes down to
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the pecan order right because you know it should be sealed on top stats matter,
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right, winners keep score Sealed Sealed is by far the most fun,
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the most enjoyable, and the most popular. That's how this game was set
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up. Yes, no need to construct anything. As adults who a lot
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of us have children, it allows us to crack a back play and enjoyed.
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What's there? Listen, I don't I don't even mind this Alliance Goofiness
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with my Sealed I'm fine. I'm fine if you want, if you want
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to do the Alliance Goofiness too. Did you know, because Sidney and I
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were talking about this at dinner this week, there's still no information regarding If
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we look back at BDq, they have a number of different podcast episodes on
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like here's here's your delta, here's types of play, but because Alliance didn't
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exist at that point, no one has ever gone through. Hey, if
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you're looking at doing Sealed Alliance, you're going to be looking at multiple decks
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and strategies behind that. There's so much that no different than regular seal except
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you get to pick some stuff. That picking is an important aspect. Yeah,
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so you make sure it's easier to make you get to go. Hey,
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this deck had everything but the sea. So you pitch Alison, you
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put the sea in and and go like, I don't. I mean people
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may not do it, but I think we all inherently do it, and
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we have no clue we're doing it. Most people inherently do it, and
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we have no clue doing it. I guess I walked away. She does.
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It's no clue. He's doing it. I got one cot one core
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state of my legacy. We can't be prossed, can be friendly you probably,
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I can't let you up, be next to me, give along to
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the world. So just leave me alone, you say me, okay,
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stand put my hand in sandwich? Is so Seples? You think soapbya?
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I can't uppy. I got one coming fel what my oh, I can't feel