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SHOCKING TREASURE TROVE OF GRAPHIC IMAGES ON D4VD'S PHONE · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: This little girl was led to believe, according to the state,
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Speaker 1: that she and Burke had a future together, marriage, children.
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Speaker 1: Sources indicate she was threatening to go public with their relationship.
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Speaker 1: She was eleven when he began pursuing her, A teen
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Speaker 1: girl decomposing, and their sons Tasla, and they're claiming their.
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Speaker 2: Rights were violated. Silent tear.
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Speaker 3: You've read this autopsy report. Very rarely have I felt
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Speaker 3: nauseous reading an autopsy report. I don't even tell nauseous
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Speaker 3: when I go to an autopsy.
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Speaker 2: Prosecutors are saying she Celest was killed in that home.
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Speaker 1: He's like, what a few feet away from where she
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Speaker 1: was murdered and disarticulated the most incendiary facts I can
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Speaker 1: think of.
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Speaker 4: Today, I am announcing the charges again as David Anthony
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Speaker 4: Burke in connection with the brutal and horrific murder of Celeste.
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Speaker 1: According to one of Celeste Rivas who met David Anthony Burke,
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Speaker 1: she was aged fourteen. It's when he began pursuing her.
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Speaker 1: She was still wearing Hello Kitty outfits.
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Speaker 2: The best.
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Speaker 1: He comes forward and says Celeste was pregnant. Dave Matt
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Speaker 1: joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter what do we.
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Speaker 5: Know, Nancy.
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Speaker 6: You remember just the other day the autopsy or death
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Speaker 6: certificate was updated on Celeste Reevas with regard to being pregnant,
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Speaker 6: where at first it was not pregnant, they changed to
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Speaker 6: not known. Well, now we find out her best friend
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Speaker 6: sits down with Celeste Reeves in January, twelve weeks before
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Speaker 6: she is murdered, and at her parents' home. Celeste Reevas
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Speaker 6: is talking to her friends and about running away because
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Speaker 6: she's pregnant, and the friend is says, she's trying not
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Speaker 6: to be judgy. She's talking to her and the friend says, well,
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Speaker 6: what do you mean run away? See, the friend thought
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Speaker 6: that when Celeste said she was pregnant and she was
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Speaker 6: going to run away from home to be with David,
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Speaker 6: she's The friend thought it was just some you know,
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Speaker 6: kid from school, somebody in the neighborhood. She didn't know
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Speaker 6: that Celeste Reevas was saying she was pregnant with David
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Speaker 6: Anthony Burke's child. That's not what the friend knew. It
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Speaker 6: was only after the fact, after Celeste was that she
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Speaker 6: realized what Celeste Reevas was telling her at that night.
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Speaker 6: In January of twenty twenty five, twelve weeks before she
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Speaker 6: was murdered, you.
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Speaker 1: Know, speaking following up on what Dave Matt just said,
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Speaker 1: I want to show you a screenshot we also found
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Speaker 1: reportedly from Celeste to Burke d Things are getting heavy,
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Speaker 1: really scared about everything. They're starting to ask questions. Call
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Speaker 1: me when you see this. I need you, doctor, Bethany Marshall.
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Speaker 1: How does this text purportedly from Celeste fit into the
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Speaker 1: theory that she was pregnant or had been pregnant.
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Speaker 7: Well, Nancy, what I see is a little girl who
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Speaker 7: imagines she has a true relationship with a much older man,
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Speaker 7: who imagines that they have a future together, and potentially
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Speaker 7: is thinking about keeping the baby to solidify her relationship
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Speaker 7: with him and their love together. And so I imagine
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Speaker 7: what is going on in her mind as a fourteen
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Speaker 7: year old as opposed to all these older kids. They're
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Speaker 7: all kids after the fact, laughing about her death, dancing
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Speaker 7: on her grave, bringing out a casket at a funeral
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Speaker 7: that day or so the very next day after she
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Speaker 7: is killed, and the disjuncture between what she thinks is
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Speaker 7: going on and what they know is going on, that
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Speaker 7: she is going to be gotten rid of. She needs him,
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Speaker 7: He needs to have her gone. Women who are pregnant
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Speaker 7: are at a much higher risk of homicide, Nancy, You
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Speaker 7: and I know that. And in some sick, twisted way,
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Speaker 7: this is a twenty year old man who's not going
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Speaker 7: to let anything stand between him and his career. In
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Speaker 7: his own mind, of course, now he has killed his
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Speaker 7: whole career, but he doesn't want to let anything stand
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Speaker 7: between him and his career. Nor do all the other
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Speaker 7: hangers on in that household who are laughing about this.
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Speaker 7: They are just going to carry on with their circus
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Speaker 7: of filth and Celespie damned.
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Speaker 1: I want you to say a listen to a clearer
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Speaker 1: video now. Of course is going to tell you this
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Speaker 1: is all AI, But I'll let the viewer judge for themselves.
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Speaker 2: That's controversial.
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Speaker 8: It's controversial of raping kids.
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Speaker 9: Good by it, guys, ho MI delete everything, the lead,
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Speaker 9: delete everything, Everything goes, Everything goes.
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Speaker 2: Dave Matt, Crime Story's investigative reporter.
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Speaker 1: Dave, I think we've identified the motive.
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Speaker 6: Celeste comes forward to her best friend and says, I
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Speaker 6: think I'm pregnant and I'm gonna run away from my
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Speaker 6: family and go to be with David uh And again
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Speaker 6: the friend didn't even think about David Burke. She was
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Speaker 6: just thinking it was a classmate of theirs, you know,
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Speaker 6: and which is just boggling the mind because remember here
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Speaker 6: we're not dealing with a woman, where you're dealing with
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Speaker 6: a child who's fourteen years old. But then Nancy, as
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Speaker 6: we get closer to the time, the argument, the text
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Speaker 6: messages that we've seen between Celeste and Burke, we know
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Speaker 6: that she had had her fill. She seemed to be
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Speaker 6: the more mature in the relationship, and she was coming
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Speaker 6: forward to say, hey, man, you're not getting away with this.
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Speaker 6: I'm going to tell everybody who you really are.
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Speaker 2: And whether or not she was pregnant at the time.
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Speaker 1: Dave mac the fact is that sources indicate she was
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Speaker 1: threatening to go public with their relationship. You mentioned she
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Speaker 1: was fourteen. She was eleven when he began pursuing her,
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Speaker 1: eleven years old, and we know they took or we
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Speaker 1: believe they took trips overseas if she had been pregnant,
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Speaker 1: did she have an abortion there? Why did he keep
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Speaker 1: taking her out of town? There are so many questions.
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, death investigator, The reality is due to
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Speaker 1: the state of her decomposition after her body had been
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Speaker 1: disarticulated rendered. Could you tell if she had had an abortion?
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Speaker 10: No, I think that that would be very difficult. But
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Speaker 10: let's also keep in mind, Nancy, that there's been mentioned
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Speaker 10: of morning after pills as well, so I don't know
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Speaker 10: if this was a reoccurrent theme with them. And this
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Speaker 10: is kind of a ghastly road to go down when
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Speaker 10: you begin to think about what she had been subjected
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Speaker 10: to through repeatedly being raped, because you know, a child
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Speaker 10: cannot consent to having sex, so rape after rape after rape,
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Speaker 10: all right, and when you think about that, had she
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Speaker 10: been had she had multiple pregnancy perhaps at some point
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Speaker 10: in time, because there's redundancy here. You know, if you
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Speaker 10: think about the fact that you've already got you've already
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Speaker 10: got access to morning after tablets, and if this is
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Speaker 10: something that she's been forced to take, for instance, and
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Speaker 10: it paints a very grim picture. And yeah, they could
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Speaker 10: gone abroad, that could have gone anywhere else and to
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Speaker 10: have facilitated determination of the pregnancy. But there's nothing there
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Speaker 10: that you can really tell. Remember, the corner had to
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Speaker 10: go back and amend the autopsy report. And still we're
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Speaker 10: sitting there thinking, well, there's not a lot here relative
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Speaker 10: to pregnancy. Even when you look at the examination of
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Speaker 10: her reproductive organs, it looks like, you know, standard dictation,
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Speaker 10: standard dictation. They don't see anything there from a pathology standpoint.
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Speaker 10: Even her uterus is within the normal sizes. All right,
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Speaker 10: it's not swollen, which is something that you're looking for
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Speaker 10: with a pregnancy.
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Speaker 1: Of course, is D four VD the multimillionaire musician caught
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Speaker 1: on camera wrapping up a human finger. That is from
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Speaker 1: the D four VD tour video. Okay, let me get
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Speaker 1: the dates right. Joining me Susan Hendrix, investigative reporter, journalist,
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Speaker 1: author of a bestseller, Down the Hill, My Descent into
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Speaker 1: the double Murder in Delphi. Susan Hendrix, he was going
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Speaker 1: on tour. Remember Celesti was murdered just before his Withered tour.
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Speaker 1: He was getting ready for the tour and he was
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Speaker 1: putting out all types of promotional videos. She was murdered
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Speaker 1: just before he dropped the album and went on the tour,
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Speaker 1: and after intense public outcry after Celeste's body is found
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Speaker 1: in his tesla, Let's just refresh everyone's recollection and show
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Speaker 1: the tesla in the impound parking lot where it smells
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Speaker 1: so badly they opened the trunk and found the dead body. Why,
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Speaker 1: Susan Hendrix is he wrapping what appears to be a
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Speaker 1: human finger?
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Speaker 8: I think everything with this guy is symbolic. He's shoving
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Speaker 8: it in our faces. So let's say it's a human
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Speaker 8: figure or plastic finger. I think he knows what he's
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Speaker 8: doing because, as you know, Celes's fingers were not found
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Speaker 8: when her body was discovered, two of her fingers, So
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Speaker 8: I think he was enabled. He did what he wanted
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Speaker 8: to do. He had merged that had blood all over
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Speaker 8: white shirts. He pulled that once cops started searching his
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Speaker 8: house months later. But I think he did what he
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Speaker 8: wanted to do, and he had the support of an entourage.
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Speaker 1: Guys, you're seeing video from defour D's tour on TikTok.
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Speaker 1: Is this part of the promotional video he's pushing out
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Speaker 1: there that looks to be in his home where we
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Speaker 1: believe Isn't this right? Dave Matt, Crime Story's investigative reporter.
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Speaker 1: According to the court documents, prosecutors are saying she Celeste
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Speaker 1: was killed in that home where we believe that finger
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Speaker 1: wrapping video was recorded. He's like, what a few feet
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Speaker 1: away from where she was murdered and disarticulated.
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Speaker 6: As this disgusting as it sounds absolutely right, Nancy, April
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Speaker 6: twenty third, ten o'clock at night. Just after that's when
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Speaker 6: investigators say D four VD killed Celeste Reeves right after
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Speaker 6: he arrived at his home.
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Speaker 1: Randolph Rice joining us, high profile lawyer out of Baltimore,
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Speaker 1: former prosecutor, now veteran criminal defense and civil lawyer at
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Speaker 1: Rice Mirtha and sous Randolph Rice. First of all, it's
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Speaker 1: not time for the jury trial. Dave mag had it right.
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Speaker 1: He wants to glow up. He wants to glamb squad
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Speaker 1: his team. I guarantee you, as lawyers didn't know this
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Speaker 1: was happening. Demand a new hairstyle and fresh closed designer
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Speaker 1: clothes for his appearance. There's not a jury, it's a
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Speaker 1: preliminary hearing. H E double L. Let me clarify, h
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Speaker 1: E L L hal No, why is he not getting
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Speaker 1: his desire threads?
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Speaker 2: Well, he's not getting.
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Speaker 11: His designer threads because, just as you said, Nancy, the
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Speaker 11: judge does not care about how he looks because there's
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Speaker 11: no jury there. But I will say from a defense
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Speaker 11: standpoint or from his standpoint, and his team standpoint. This
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Speaker 11: might be one of the first smart moves they are
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Speaker 11: making here because not only is this case going to
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Speaker 11: be tried in the courtroom, but I think this case
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Speaker 11: is gonna be tried in the public. And remember down
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Speaker 11: the road, as his defense attorneys are going to have
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Speaker 11: to pick a jury, it may help to have a
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Speaker 11: good light on him moving forward.
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Speaker 1: Put him up a good light. What you know, and
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Speaker 1: I know you know, I know your career very well.
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Speaker 1: He is not entitled to street clothes as we call them,
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Speaker 1: unless there's a jury. No, didn't you see Brian Coiberger
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Speaker 1: asking for the same thing. No was the answer inn.
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Speaker 2: Oh D four. VID's not getting it either.
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Speaker 1: But that didn't stop his team from trying, did it.
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Speaker 2: It didn't.
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Speaker 11: And as my mother always said, if you don't ask,
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Speaker 11: you don't get, So why not ask? It doesn't hurt. Look,
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Speaker 11: the defense team and his team are going to ask
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Speaker 11: every single question, every single thing that they can try
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Speaker 11: to get over on the state, and I would do
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Speaker 11: the same thing. They need to try to take advantage
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Speaker 11: of every single opportunity, every single appearance. He needs to
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Speaker 11: come out there looking the best he possibly can to
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Speaker 11: have that favorable light on him as he moves forward
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Speaker 11: with this trial.
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Speaker 2: Favorable light. Instead of.
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Speaker 1: Getting a glow up with his glam squad behind bars,
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Speaker 1: he should probably be worried about the evidence, such as
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Speaker 1: putting out a video of him wrapping up what appears
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Speaker 1: to be a human finger. Of course it's not a
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Speaker 1: human finger. Well, I hope it's not a human finger.
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Speaker 1: I don't think it's a human finger. I think it's
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Speaker 1: a toy or a replica. But that said, he's putting
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Speaker 1: out the bad vibes.
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Speaker 2: That's him.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, thank you.
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Speaker 2: There he is again.
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Speaker 1: That's him wrapping up what appears to be a withered
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Speaker 1: human finger, but is likely a toy replica. The point
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Speaker 1: is he is shooting himself in the foot and another thing,
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Speaker 1: while I've got you, Randolph Rice, he's not asking for
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Speaker 1: his regular clothes. Let's see some photos of what D
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Speaker 1: FORBYD usually wears.
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Speaker 2: He's not asking for that.
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Speaker 1: No, he wants designer clothes. He wants oh yeah, that
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Speaker 1: is not how he wants to appear in court. He
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Speaker 1: wants to wear a pair of dress slacks and a
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Speaker 1: button down. Right, I've never seen him in a button down.
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Speaker 1: He wants to present a false facade to spectators.
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Speaker 2: What about it, Randolph.
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Speaker 11: Bus genius genius. I think it's a good move on
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Speaker 11: his defense part, in his team's part. And let me
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Speaker 11: just say one thing about this finger. Everybody's talking about
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Speaker 11: this is this is something that's going to hurt his case.
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Speaker 11: I can tell you his attorneys and if I was
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Speaker 11: attorney too, I would be going to the mat filing
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Speaker 11: a motion lemonade, which did you know, Nancy, is just
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Speaker 11: a motion.
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Speaker 2: To exclude evidence.
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Speaker 11: That video never sees the light of day Ina Korum
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Speaker 11: because it is irrelevant unless the prosecutors can prove that
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Speaker 11: that has something to do with Celeste, with the victim
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Speaker 11: in this case, it is not coming into court there.
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Speaker 7: That's the way I bout.
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Speaker 12: I don't care.
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Speaker 2: I just took it.
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Speaker 9: That's that's.
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Speaker 1: That is from at Secura Shimko on Twitch. Okay, I
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Speaker 1: got a huge A list panel tonight, but I got
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Speaker 1: to go to Tom Smith, first former NYP detective thirty
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Speaker 1: years narc robbery, gang murder, FBI Joint Terrorism task He
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Speaker 1: is the star the co host of gold Shields podcast.
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Speaker 1: Did you hear that or do I need to play
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Speaker 1: it again? Once you smell a decomposing body at a
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Speaker 1: murder scene. You never forget it, and you don't confuse
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Speaker 1: it with a back up commode. I mean, I can't wait.
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Speaker 1: I hope, I pray the prosecutors play this for the jury. He,
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Speaker 1: according to them, orders her up on an uber like
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Speaker 1: she's uber eats, pays two three hundred dollars to get
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Speaker 1: her to his place, then compares her body, her decomposing
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Speaker 1: body to him, quote taking.
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Speaker 2: A ship his words, not mine, in his bathroom.
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Speaker 5: Can he do anything more demeaning to this little girl?
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Speaker 13: No, not at all. I mean he is the epitome
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Speaker 13: of a monster. And we've gone through other monsters in
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Speaker 13: the criminal justice world, and he is right up there.
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Speaker 13: You know, when you have someone who has such a
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Speaker 13: disregard for a human being to treat her the way
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Speaker 13: that he did, I mean, it is a different level man.
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Speaker 2: See.
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Speaker 13: But this is why investigations take time, because she want
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Speaker 13: to get all the information like this out there for
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Speaker 13: the prosecution, for the police department to make a stronger case.
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Speaker 13: Because when you have people like this who commit crimes,
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Speaker 13: they have no idea what is to come, so they
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Speaker 13: cannot gain plan what's to come. And this is where
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Speaker 13: they get jammed up, and this is why prosecutions are
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Speaker 13: successful and investigations end in a good way.
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Speaker 1: Straight out to Kaitlin Beckery joining us. She is a
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Speaker 1: senior national correspondent at The New York Post. She's the
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Speaker 1: host of a hit podcast in Why Postcast, Get It
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Speaker 1: in Why Post in Why Postcast.
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Speaker 2: Caitlin, thanks for being with us.
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Speaker 1: I mean, really, I know that it's your job to
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Speaker 1: report the facts with no emotion, without making any judgment calls,
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Speaker 1: but really, her body is decomposing, and Caitlin, I don't
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Speaker 1: know if in your business you've ever had to go
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Speaker 1: to a murder scene or been there when a buy
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Speaker 1: he was discovered. It hits you like a cement brick.
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Speaker 1: The smell it's people vomit when they smell it. That's
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Speaker 1: how bad it is. I say, rookie cops vomit when
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Speaker 1: they come on a crime scene or smell dcomp For
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Speaker 1: the first time, did you know about this video we found?
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Speaker 14: I didn't, Nancy. The first time I'm seeing this video
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Speaker 14: is you playing it right now? And I'm with the
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Speaker 14: guy in the corner whose eyes were going back and forth.
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Speaker 15: He looked completely.
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Speaker 14: Baffled by what was going on I don't know if
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Speaker 14: it's stupidity or hubris or arrogance in this case, that
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Speaker 14: it just seems like after this crime was committed and
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Speaker 14: the premeditation of the committing of the crime, that there
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Speaker 14: just seems to be this massive digital trail left, as
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Speaker 14: if this guy never thought he was going to be
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Speaker 14: held accountable for allegedly murdering this girl. I mean, just
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Speaker 14: this video, I have to imagine there's more things like
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Speaker 14: this out there. And you add that to the list
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Speaker 14: of evidence that prosecutors say they have digital evidence, as
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Speaker 14: you say, the ordering of her like she's Chinese food
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Speaker 14: on an Uber app that's going to her house, being
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Speaker 14: ordered allegedly by him to his house, with a driver
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Speaker 14: in the car taking her back and forth to confirm
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Speaker 14: it would be her in there, not to mention the
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Speaker 14: litany of other pieces of evidence that digitally showed premeditation
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Speaker 14: and what happened afterwards.
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Speaker 15: It's just it's baffling to me.
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Speaker 14: And you're right that I'm supposed to come at this
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Speaker 14: as objectively as I possibly can looking at the facts,
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Speaker 14: but it's almost impossible to do it in this case
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Speaker 14: because it's so arrogant and aggressive and obnoxious. The behavior
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Speaker 14: that we're seeing displayed by this person in the day
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Speaker 14: and the days after the killing Doctor Cheryl.
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Speaker 1: This little girl was led to believe, according to the State,
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Speaker 1: that she and Burke had a feature together marriage children.
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Speaker 1: One particularly poignant photo to me is her ring finger,
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Speaker 1: which was by the way, amputated to hide the fact
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Speaker 1: that his name David was tattooed on it. She actually
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Speaker 1: was wearing an engagement ring. This little girl thought they
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Speaker 1: were getting married and having a family, and she's talking
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Speaker 1: about how they were connected before they existed and that
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Speaker 1: she will love him even after she dies.
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Speaker 16: She did this is so chilling and harrowing, and this
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Speaker 16: is something that we see a lot in sexual abuse
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Speaker 16: cases with a young victim in the grooming process, that
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Speaker 16: this is something where the child believes that they are
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Speaker 16: in a relationship, they're in a romantic relationship, that it
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Speaker 16: isn't abused, that that something is going to happen in
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Speaker 16: the future. She thought she was important to him, And
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Speaker 16: the video you played is so heartbreaking because she I
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Speaker 16: see a girl who is trying to advocate for herself
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Speaker 16: and speak up. Why don't you hold my hand anymore?
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Speaker 16: She wants there are other pots she wants something more
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Speaker 16: for herself. She was in love with him, and he
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Speaker 16: treats her like she's completely disposable, like she's garbage. He
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Speaker 16: ordered her delivered to him, as you said, and then
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Speaker 16: he ordered all of these things to hide her body
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Speaker 16: delivered to him as well. I really think that the
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Speaker 16: combination of the age difference and his status and his
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Speaker 16: celebrity and that way that that can change people in
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Speaker 16: how they relate and the things they let pass. And
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Speaker 16: how dazzling it must have been for this child to
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Speaker 16: have this special attention and get to travel, and and
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Speaker 16: even when her parents tried to take away her phone
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Speaker 16: or keep her from seeing him, it seems like they
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Speaker 16: were no match for him, being able to go and
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Speaker 16: bribe and use the resources that he had to have
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Speaker 16: access to her. And it sounds like she just wanted
22:19
Speaker 16: to love him and and was trying to get him
22:23
Speaker 16: to see her and show that that she mattered, and
22:27
Speaker 16: it it This is so chilling and so incredibly tragic.
22:32
Speaker 16: And you know, Nancy, the idea that this sort of
22:35
Speaker 16: split personality defense, and I understand defense attorney's need to
22:41
Speaker 16: come up with something. It just makes me think of
22:44
Speaker 16: when we when we covered the Jodiarius case and she
22:47
Speaker 16: said Ninja's came in and did it and she didn't it.
22:51
Speaker 16: Just it seems so incredibly out there. And if you know,
22:55
Speaker 16: as a as a forensic psychologist, if someone says I
22:59
Speaker 16: didn't do it, my split personality self did it, you
23:03
Speaker 16: still need to contain the same person in a controlled environment.
23:10
Speaker 16: And it'll be very interesting to see what they do
23:13
Speaker 16: in terms of the defense that they go for a
23:16
Speaker 16: psychological defense, because that's a tough road to go to
23:23
Speaker 16: say that this was dissociative, that there was some kind
23:26
Speaker 16: of split personality. We would need to see a lot
23:30
Speaker 16: of fragmentation and splitting, a lot of psychological evidence that
23:34
Speaker 16: I have not seen thus far. I'm not saying it
23:36
Speaker 16: doesn't exist, but I haven't seen it. And if someone
23:40
Speaker 16: were in an altered state, I don't know that they
23:43
Speaker 16: would be able to do all of the things that
23:46
Speaker 16: seem to indicate premeditation.
23:49
Speaker 1: That was then This is now and what I've got
23:52
Speaker 1: in my hands the people's brief regarding preliminary hearing evidence,
23:57
Speaker 1: and it is full of the most incendiary facts I
24:04
Speaker 1: can think of. Correction to me, you, Dave mac Crime Stories,
24:10
Speaker 1: investigative reporter, I said thirteen, But isn't it true that
24:15
Speaker 1: this document reveals David Anthony Burke lured this little girl
24:20
Speaker 1: at age eleven?
24:22
Speaker 2: Eleven years old?
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Speaker 6: That's exactly right, Nancy eleven years old documented that's the
24:31
Speaker 6: first time David Anthony Burke. Matt Celes reeves.
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Speaker 2: And isn't it true? Dave Mack.
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Speaker 1: I'm looking through the preliminary hearing brief.
24:44
Speaker 2: We find out that D four v D.
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Speaker 1: David Anthony Burke, the multi millionaire, went to the effort
24:52
Speaker 1: to go to send someone no, he went himself to
24:56
Speaker 1: the school playground, the school, the Minditary school and pays
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Speaker 1: another kid one thousand dollars to give Celeste Rivas a
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Speaker 1: secret cell phone so they can send naughty pictures to
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Speaker 1: each other.
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Speaker 2: Isn't that syruly?
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Speaker 6: Because that's exactly true, Nancy. Because Celest's family they found
25:21
Speaker 6: out what was going on and took away her cell phone.
25:24
Speaker 6: They found Burke's number in her personal cell phone and
25:27
Speaker 6: they said no, and they took away her cell phone.
25:31
Speaker 6: Burke found out a sneaky way paid one of her
25:34
Speaker 6: child friends to one thousand dollars. You think about a
25:38
Speaker 6: kid getting one thousand dollars to give her a secret
25:41
Speaker 6: cell phone.
25:42
Speaker 1: Oh cool, But what is so upsetting? It's all upsetting.
25:49
Speaker 1: But joining me now is a special guest, doctor Kendall Crowns.
25:52
Speaker 1: He is the Chief Medical Examiner Ran County.
25:55
Speaker 2: He is the.
25:56
Speaker 1: Host of a hit podcast, Mayhem and the More. He
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Speaker 1: is the esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School of Medicine
26:03
Speaker 1: at TCU. I can go on and on and on,
26:07
Speaker 1: but let me just start with Chief Medical Examiner Terrence
26:10
Speaker 1: County doctor Kendall Crowns. How long does it take for
26:16
Speaker 1: a human, much less a child, a little girl to
26:20
Speaker 1: bleed out exchanguinate?
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Speaker 17: So it depends on what's cut. If you get your
26:27
Speaker 17: croted's your jugglars cut in your neck, you're going to
26:30
Speaker 17: bleed out in a matter of under a minute or so.
26:33
Speaker 17: If your heart's stabbed, you're going to bleed out and
26:36
Speaker 17: again under a minute or so. But in the information
26:39
Speaker 17: that we have, she's stabbed in the abdomen, in the chest,
26:43
Speaker 17: one wound going into her liver. The liver is a
26:46
Speaker 17: very vascular organ. She's going to bleed internally into her
26:49
Speaker 17: abdominal cavity. You'll probably die in under ten minutes from
26:53
Speaker 17: blood loss.
26:54
Speaker 1: So We've got a max ten minutes about that. Yes, okay,
26:59
Speaker 1: let's just hold onto thought one moment. Susan Hendricks, investigative reporter, journalist,
27:04
Speaker 1: author of a bestseller Down the Hill, My Descent into
27:08
Speaker 1: the double murder in Delphi. That's talking about Abby and
27:13
Speaker 1: Libby that were murdered by Richard Allen in Delphi. Susan,
27:20
Speaker 1: This document by the state, by the prosecutors states that
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Speaker 1: D four VD stood by and watched Celeste, this little
27:31
Speaker 1: girl bleed out, wait for it, in a blue kiddie
27:36
Speaker 1: pool that he idiot bought on Amazon.
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Speaker 5: And isn't it true? Susan Hendricks.
27:46
Speaker 1: That minute, microscopic bits of blue plastic were found in
27:53
Speaker 1: the inside in the wounds to her body, and we
27:58
Speaker 1: were thinking, what is the Yeah, of course they had
28:00
Speaker 1: to take the tissue, take her skin and look at
28:03
Speaker 1: it under a microscope, and then they went, what are
28:06
Speaker 1: these blue particles?
28:09
Speaker 18: It's the kitty pool, yep. And now we know what
28:13
Speaker 18: it was and fitting for her. They met when she
28:16
Speaker 18: was eleven, still having braces, goes to her middle school.
28:20
Speaker 18: When he finds out her mom says he can't see
28:23
Speaker 18: her anymore, took her phone away. I know I'll go
28:25
Speaker 18: to the middle school, give a kid one thousand dollars
28:27
Speaker 18: the kiddie pool. It's fitting for Celeste. The details here
28:32
Speaker 18: exactly what the da Hoffman said, Nathan. He said there
28:36
Speaker 18: are special circumstances, and I agree it's laid out perfectly.
28:40
Speaker 1: Did he order the pool, the inflatable kitty pool on Amazon?
28:46
Speaker 1: And if so, what else did he order on Amazon?
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Speaker 2: Yes? He did, and I have a list.
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Speaker 18: I mean, it goes on and on, just the convenience
28:55
Speaker 18: to him of this. And at first, Nancy, you mentioned
28:57
Speaker 18: the pool, I thought it was a tarp and now
28:59
Speaker 18: more horrific that we know it was a kiddie pool.
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Speaker 15: Here's the list.
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Speaker 18: A two chainsaws, a shovel from home depot, a burncage
29:07
Speaker 18: on Amazon. I didn't know what that was, garbage bags. Again,
29:12
Speaker 18: the list goes on and on, and I'm picturing them
29:14
Speaker 18: just scrolling and ordering to get rid of this young girl.
29:21
Speaker 1: Straight out to special guests joining us. Caitlin Becker, senior
29:26
Speaker 1: national correspondent at New York Post, hosts of podcasts and
29:29
Speaker 1: Why Post cast Caitlin bombshell autopsy report.
29:36
Speaker 5: And I'm wondering now that I've seen.
29:38
Speaker 2: The autopsy report.
29:39
Speaker 1: Why the LAPD insisted it stay under seal for so long,
29:46
Speaker 1: Maybe because it's so incendiary.
29:49
Speaker 2: Remember at the get.
29:50
Speaker 1: Go, Kaitlyn, a lot of news outlets were saying they
29:53
Speaker 1: can't determine COD. We have sources inside the Medical Examiner's office.
29:57
Speaker 1: They can't tell COD because she's d composed one and
30:01
Speaker 1: two dismembered b S technical legal term. They've had the
30:07
Speaker 1: COD for months now, and that is death by a
30:13
Speaker 1: sharp object. So what can you tell us? Do we
30:18
Speaker 1: know why the LAPD wanted it kept secret for so long?
30:23
Speaker 14: We don't know why they wanted to keep it secret
30:25
Speaker 14: for so long. This was determined back in December, at
30:30
Speaker 14: the end of twenty twenty five, and we did have
30:32
Speaker 14: sources at the Post that we spoke to who told
30:36
Speaker 14: us the same thing that you had heard from other
30:38
Speaker 14: sources as well. They couldn't determine the cause of death.
30:41
Speaker 14: They couldn't say it was a homicide because they couldn't
30:44
Speaker 14: figure out how she died. But this, as you said,
30:47
Speaker 14: explosive bombshell autopsy was so disturbing and gruesome and brutal,
30:54
Speaker 14: but clearly laid out at least two areas where she
30:58
Speaker 14: was very clearly with something, even to the point where
31:01
Speaker 14: they were noting the angle with which the knife went in.
31:06
Speaker 14: It was between three and nine o'clock. And if you
31:09
Speaker 14: think about going down like this, that's exactly how you
31:12
Speaker 14: would hold a knife. So the fact that this was
31:14
Speaker 14: sitting there for all of these months is baffling.
31:19
Speaker 3: Caitlin, you've read this autopsy report. Very rarely have I
31:24
Speaker 3: felt nauseous reading an autopsy report. I even felt nauseous
31:29
Speaker 3: when I go to an autopsy. When I read this,
31:34
Speaker 3: I felt nauseous.
31:35
Speaker 1: I got hot all over because I think of Celeste
31:38
Speaker 1: as that little girl thirteen years old and Bob Shell.
31:42
Speaker 1: Tonight we are learning that D four VD aka David
31:47
Speaker 1: Anthony Burke met Celeste allegedly when she was twelve.
31:53
Speaker 15: He's gross as early as a leven?
31:56
Speaker 1: Is he doing with a twelve year old girl? Caitlin Becker?
32:00
Speaker 15: Nothing good and nothing legal? Nancy?
32:02
Speaker 14: So The New York Post compiled a bunch of discord,
32:06
Speaker 14: Reddit chat room clips and screenshots going back to twenty
32:11
Speaker 14: twenty three, and then back to potentially twenty twenty one,
32:15
Speaker 14: where she was maybe eleven twelve at the oldest, where
32:21
Speaker 14: they were apparently together. These disturbing messages with people on
32:26
Speaker 14: Reddit and discord saying that he had a girlfriend. Her
32:29
Speaker 14: name was Celeste. It was something with the C She
32:32
Speaker 14: was in middle school, So this seemed to be no
32:34
Speaker 14: surprise to some of the fans who were operating in
32:38
Speaker 14: some of these chat rooms and circles. One of them
32:41
Speaker 14: looked like it was even a conversation between the two
32:44
Speaker 14: of them in a chat room where it's October twenty
32:47
Speaker 14: twenty three, where someone that appears to be David says
32:51
Speaker 14: is Celeste here, and a screen name that appears to
32:53
Speaker 14: be Celeste says David bark or Burke, but it was
32:57
Speaker 14: She wrote bar kkkakk to just be kind of cutesy
33:01
Speaker 14: as a twelve year old would be online. But even
33:04
Speaker 14: going back further, Nancy, her missing person's flyer indicated that
33:09
Speaker 14: she was in Hello Kitty sandals, which just that image
33:12
Speaker 14: in and of itself is troubling. It gives you an
33:15
Speaker 14: idea of just how young she is. But there was
33:17
Speaker 14: a post that David had posted of a photo that
33:21
Speaker 14: included some Hello Kitty crocs that you could see at
33:25
Speaker 14: the bottom, and then a caption where he made some
33:28
Speaker 14: disturbing reference to the Hello Kitty girl that got him
33:33
Speaker 14: in twenty twenty one, So now we're talking.
33:35
Speaker 15: About grade school, grade school aged.
33:38
Speaker 14: It is so troubling and grotesque in so many ways
33:44
Speaker 14: to know that information that we uncovered, and then you
33:47
Speaker 14: put it with the way she was found by investigators.
33:51
Speaker 15: It really does make you sick to your stomach.
33:54
Speaker 3: Put up Debay, Philip Debay joining US criminal defense attorney,
34:01
Speaker 3: joining us out of this jurisdiction. LA the Hello kitty
34:06
Speaker 3: girl twelve years old when D four VD puts the
34:12
Speaker 3: moves on her, she's missing an eyeball and she's skeletonized. Thoughts,
34:18
Speaker 3: why shouldn't this be a death penalty case?
34:20
Speaker 9: This is not a capital case. It might be on paper,
34:24
Speaker 9: but this young man has absolutely no criminal record. I
34:28
Speaker 9: do not see a jury ever executing him. I think
34:32
Speaker 9: best case scenario is that this could result in a
34:35
Speaker 9: plea bargain, But even then I think it's highly doubtful
34:38
Speaker 9: because this max is life without parole. What on earth
34:42
Speaker 9: would be the incentive for him to take a deal
34:44
Speaker 9: that would involve life behind bars anyway? So I actually
34:48
Speaker 9: think that this may be over filed.
34:51
Speaker 2: Put him up.
34:52
Speaker 1: You know, Philip Debey, I'll like you, but I got
34:57
Speaker 1: to ask you a question. When you do all that
34:59
Speaker 1: manscape right there, do you ever actually look at yourself
35:03
Speaker 1: in the mirror? How can you say that the girl
35:07
Speaker 1: was twelve?
35:08
Speaker 5: Twelve?
35:08
Speaker 1: Celeste Rivas was twelve when D four VD, the Big
35:12
Speaker 1: Musician puts moves on her, and now she's dead in
35:18
Speaker 1: his trunk, her body in pieces, her left eyeball is gone.
35:26
Speaker 5: Wonder what happened to that?
35:28
Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan is going to tell you that when
35:31
Speaker 1: you decompose, your eyeball doesn't just disappear. Where is your eyeball?
35:36
Speaker 1: Why did you have MDMA in her system? Meth in
35:39
Speaker 1: her system?
35:41
Speaker 2: Why?
35:42
Speaker 1: Why is this not a death penalty case? If this
35:45
Speaker 1: is not a death penalty case, what is.
35:50
Speaker 9: There has to be some evidence a that he's the
35:53
Speaker 9: one who actually did it. Merely having a corpse is
35:56
Speaker 9: not proof beyond a reasonable doubt that he is in
35:59
Speaker 9: fact the actual case killer. At most, what you have
36:02
Speaker 9: is him having constructive possession on her, because their remains
36:06
Speaker 9: were found in the car. Now, having said that, the
36:08
Speaker 9: jury is going to have to find, assuming it even
36:11
Speaker 9: goes to a penalty phase, that he's irreformable, irredeemable, and
36:15
Speaker 9: that the only just outcome for him would be California's
36:19
Speaker 9: lethal injection. I predict that no jury will ever execute
36:23
Speaker 9: this young man.
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Speaker 5: Dave Matt, Where are the parents in all of this?
36:28
Speaker 1: They reported celest as a runaway once and then went
36:31
Speaker 1: radio silent.
36:33
Speaker 6: And Nancy, they stayed fairly silent until yesterday and they
36:38
Speaker 6: were at court. They were there and we were told
36:42
Speaker 6: the media was told that they would be making a
36:45
Speaker 6: statement to the press, but that did not happen. So ever,
36:49
Speaker 6: since this case exploded last September, the family has remained
36:55
Speaker 6: silent since the first week and we still have not
36:58
Speaker 6: heard from them right now.
37:00
Speaker 3: Question, Dave Matt, were they ever spotted out looking for
37:02
Speaker 3: their daughter?
37:04
Speaker 6: No, Nancy, They reported her missing and then and here's
37:08
Speaker 6: the kick, They reported her missing and she was Then.
37:12
Speaker 6: Celeste was then seen back at the home in the
37:16
Speaker 6: complex area in the weeks and months following the initial
37:21
Speaker 6: report of her being missing, but she was never reported
37:24
Speaker 6: as having come back home. The family never alerted authorities.
37:28
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, she's not missing anymore. We know where she is.
37:31
Speaker 6: A lot of questions around the family what they knew
37:34
Speaker 6: and what they didn't know. But bottom line is they
37:37
Speaker 6: did report her missing first week of April twenty twenty four,
37:42
Speaker 6: and Celeste was seen back in their home area after
37:47
Speaker 6: she was reported missing.
37:49
Speaker 2: Not another word.
37:51
Speaker 1: Well, the parents have not been charged with anything as
37:54
Speaker 1: of right now. Troy Slayton, veteran defense attorney out of
37:58
Speaker 1: La Troy in Many Jurisdiction's failure to report your child
38:03
Speaker 1: missing is a crime.
38:07
Speaker 19: It very well could be, and it doesn't seem like
38:11
Speaker 19: the family was too concerned. It seems to me that
38:14
Speaker 19: they knew. Now, look, a parent can't consent to have
38:19
Speaker 19: their child engage in activity at age thirteen or fourteen.
38:26
Speaker 19: But there is no evidence that they were coming around
38:30
Speaker 19: the house and that they were out, you know, searching
38:35
Speaker 19: for their daughter. Doesn't appear that they were being very vigilant.
38:38
Speaker 19: I'm not blaming them. I'm not saying that it's the
38:41
Speaker 19: parent's fault. I'm just saying that we don't.
38:43
Speaker 1: Have any you would never well you know what I will, I.
38:46
Speaker 19: Will, and what we Where were they?
38:49
Speaker 1: Where were they all of this, Celeste's dad, anyone.
38:53
Speaker 19: We don't have anyone publicly Nancy, who has come out
38:57
Speaker 19: and said that they saw a murger or that they
39:02
Speaker 19: knew about a murder. All we know is that a
39:05
Speaker 19: person was found dead at David's house or in his
39:10
Speaker 19: car that was registered to him, that she last went
39:13
Speaker 19: to his house, and that she was found in a car.
39:15
Speaker 19: There's a whole lot in the middle of this chain, Nancy,
39:19
Speaker 19: that the prosecutors are going to have to prove in
39:22
Speaker 19: order to get a murder conviction here.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: We don't know because we haven't had a trial yet.
39:30
Speaker 1: That's why we don't know. But the LA District Attorney
39:34
Speaker 1: did say, this is.
39:36
Speaker 2: Their physical evidence that ties David to this murder.
39:39
Speaker 4: There is physical evidence, and there is forensic and digital
39:45
Speaker 4: evidence that we intend to present in court to prove
39:49
Speaker 4: these charges beyond a reasonable debt.
39:51
Speaker 1: David Anthony Burke aka D four VD plays not guilty
39:56
Speaker 1: and interesting, this was not a grand indictment. There was
40:03
Speaker 1: a grand jury that investigated called witnesses in the case.
40:08
Speaker 1: Now there will be a preliminary hearing and Dave mac
40:13
Speaker 1: that's called like a mini trial, where we will hear
40:16
Speaker 1: states witnesses, probably just states witnesses. Isn't that set for
40:21
Speaker 1: April twenty.
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Speaker 5: Three, is Nancy?
40:24
Speaker 6: By law, this preliminary hearing has to be held within
40:29
Speaker 6: ten days.
40:30
Speaker 1: I'm going to get back to everything else we are learning,
40:32
Speaker 1: but I'm going to go straight out to a veteran
40:35
Speaker 1: trial lawyer. Joanna Nievis is joining us from California criminal
40:39
Speaker 1: defense attorney and founder of the Nievis Law Firm.
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Speaker 2: Joanna, thank you for being with us.
40:45
Speaker 1: So this is what's happening to my understanding, and you
40:48
Speaker 1: jump in, Joanna. The family of D FOURVD David Anthony
40:54
Speaker 1: Burke pronounced as David, has been subpoenaed the whole family
40:58
Speaker 1: to testify in a grand jury proceeding regarding the death
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Speaker 1: of Celesta Revas, the little girl found in Burke's trunk.
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Speaker 2: Let's see that Tesla.
41:08
Speaker 1: It was part in spot to spot to spot on
41:11
Speaker 1: paus Street there in California until it was finally toad
41:16
Speaker 1: at the behest of one of the homeowners days sitting
41:20
Speaker 1: at the toe lot and it started a stench. Why
41:25
Speaker 1: because Celesto Rivas was decomposing in the trunk. We were
41:30
Speaker 1: told there is an investigative grand jury the US. I
41:34
Speaker 1: believe you will agree with me that grand jury's have
41:36
Speaker 1: two tools, one a charging tool to indict people and
41:40
Speaker 1: one an investigation tool. For instance, in the John Binney
41:43
Speaker 1: Ramsey case, in the Ramsey case, the grand jury met,
41:47
Speaker 1: and they met, and they met, and they met. Investigating
41:51
Speaker 1: John Benet's death. They ultimately did issue an indictment, but
41:55
Speaker 1: that case was not prosecuted. So a grand jury can
41:58
Speaker 1: meet to investigate, they have peen of power, they can
42:00
Speaker 1: bring in witnesses, or they can charge. We were told
42:05
Speaker 1: this was an investigation into Celeste's death. Now we have
42:09
Speaker 1: an official court document filed by the parents contesting them
42:14
Speaker 1: having to come from Texas, California to text file and
42:18
Speaker 1: state the David Anthony Burke, So a case against him,
42:24
Speaker 1: a case investigating him does exist.
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Speaker 2: Explain what's happening, Joanna.
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Speaker 12: Right, Nancy, So, I do believe that it does outline
42:33
Speaker 12: what the target of this investigation is. It's not just
42:36
Speaker 12: trying to uncover who it may be and get more information. Obviously,
42:41
Speaker 12: they're trying to focus their energies on identifying and criminating
42:45
Speaker 12: information against this particular person that's named in the footnote
42:50
Speaker 12: they're in the charging document. Assuming that that was cited properly,
42:54
Speaker 12: I would guess that they took that from the grand
42:56
Speaker 12: juries of pena that was received. The filing itself, I
43:01
Speaker 12: think is kind of more procedural. Right, They're in Texas.
43:03
Speaker 12: This is happening in California, and it's their attempt to say,
43:08
Speaker 12: you know what, I don't really feel like California can
43:10
Speaker 12: drag me over there based on this subpoena, and I
43:13
Speaker 12: want a court to say that, yes, absolutely, you have
43:16
Speaker 12: to you have the authority to make me come and testify.
43:20
Speaker 12: So I think it's kind of like one of those
43:22
Speaker 12: procedural things where you're contesting the validity of a confidential informant,
43:26
Speaker 12: or you're contesting the validity of a warrant or the validity.
43:29
Speaker 2: Of a search.
43:30
Speaker 12: They're really just saying, hey, just make sure that you
43:33
Speaker 12: really do have the arms reached to make me come
43:36
Speaker 12: from Texas to California.
43:37
Speaker 1: Here specifically what they are arguing it is de Woodburg,
43:42
Speaker 1: the father Dave four FIDE's mother Colleen, and his brother Caleb,
43:47
Speaker 1: all summoned to testify at a California grand jury. Now
43:52
Speaker 1: they are contesting that, claiming they're rights have been violated.
43:59
Speaker 1: Why do they claim their rights were violated? They claim
44:05
Speaker 1: that they were given redacted versions of affidavits that were
44:10
Speaker 1: used in the court order summoning them to be witnesses.
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Speaker 3: Okay, Joanna Neavis, let me see ni us, please.
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Speaker 1: Really, Celeste is deca a little girl, a teen girl decomposing,
44:26
Speaker 1: and their son's tesla, and they're claiming their rights.
44:31
Speaker 2: Were violated.
44:33
Speaker 1: Silent tear because the affidavits supporting that warrant, that subpoena
44:40
Speaker 1: for them had a name redacted.
44:44
Speaker 3: That's the leg they're standing on.
44:47
Speaker 2: Good luck.
44:49
Speaker 12: I think we see this pretty often, though, like, hey, you,
44:53
Speaker 12: there are rules that you have to follow, there is
44:55
Speaker 12: information that we need, give me proper notice. That's the
44:58
Speaker 12: basis of so many are you even when I just
45:01
Speaker 12: mentioned like a confidential informant. Oftentimes that kind of objection
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Speaker 12: to the information is based on not being able to
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Speaker 12: see what was in the affidavit that was drafted by
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Speaker 12: the police officer, or even when contesting a search worm.
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Speaker 12: We see this pretty often, so I don't think that
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Speaker 12: they are making absurd arguments. I do think they're just
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Speaker 12: trying to protect their interest and of course the interests
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Speaker 12: of their son at this point, because he's still innocent
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Speaker 12: until proven guilty.
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Speaker 3: I was waiting for you to say that, but this
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Speaker 3: is not an adjudication of guilt or innocence. This is
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Speaker 3: telling a witness you must come to.
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Speaker 2: The Grand jury.
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Speaker 1: And yes, notice must be proper. In other words, they
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Speaker 1: have to be served with subpoena properly. There has to
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Speaker 1: be a date, a location, the name of the matter
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Speaker 1: to which they will testify. But the fact that names
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Speaker 1: have been redacted in the affidavit. They don't even have
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Speaker 1: to see an affidavit, all right, but they do have
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Speaker 1: an affidavit to support the subpoena. The fact that they
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Speaker 1: got noticed correctly, there is the name of the matter
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Speaker 1: to which they will end up testifying to.
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Speaker 2: That's what they need.
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Speaker 3: It was registered, it was certified.
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Speaker 5: Bam.
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Speaker 1: They don't need to know the state's case, and they
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Speaker 1: don't need to know sensitive information such as names that
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Speaker 1: are in the affidavit that is not required under the law.
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Speaker 2: Yes, you're right, they have to have noticed. Yes, you're right.
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Speaker 3: They have to know what the matter is on which
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Speaker 3: they will testify.
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Speaker 2: But that's it.
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Speaker 5: So they don't have a leg.
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Speaker 2: To stand on. But I'm very curious.
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Speaker 1: Let's talk about privilege such as attorney client privilege. I'm
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Speaker 1: sure that your clients speak very openly with you. They
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Speaker 1: may even confess they may prejudice themselves in front of you,
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Speaker 1: because you're their trusted lawyer, and your duty is or
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Speaker 1: you will be disbarred if you violate the attorney client privilege.
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Speaker 2: Right the rest of your life, you.
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Speaker 1: May not speak of it. That's the duty of a lawyer.
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Speaker 1: I have the same duty. So you've got the attorney
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Speaker 1: client privilege. You've got priests parishioner privilege, such as what
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Speaker 1: you tell to your preacher, your priest, your religious counselor
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Speaker 1: your rabbi that cannot be forced in court. The rabbi,
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Speaker 1: the priest cannot be forced to divulge what the defendant said.
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Speaker 3: You've got husband wife privilege. There are several privileges, but
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Speaker 3: he's my daddy.
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Speaker 2: Ain't one of them. Ne evis.
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Speaker 19: No for sure.
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Speaker 12: But you know, I do think there's word that David's
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Speaker 12: dad does have some type of affiliation with the church,
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Speaker 12: and I do wonder whether or not he may take and.
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Speaker 15: That his son to just say him.
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Speaker 2: From that perspective, I thought.
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Speaker 1: You were going to hit me with the fact that
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Speaker 1: his father's a lawyer, so he could try to use
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Speaker 1: turning client privilege.
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Speaker 12: His dad is a lawyer.
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Speaker 1: But you're going he has an affiliation with the church.
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Speaker 2: What affiliation would that be?
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Speaker 3: He drives by it on Sunday mornings.
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Speaker 12: You know, and here all of this is all reported, right,
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Speaker 12: it's reported that he's some type of reverend with the church.
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Speaker 1: Okay, you know what, there's a reason you win so
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Speaker 1: many cases. See look at any of us right now.
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Speaker 1: She looks believable. She's smart, she's articulate, and she says
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Speaker 1: things like that, and you almost believe it. He has
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Speaker 1: some affiliation with a church. You just said that. Okay,
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Speaker 1: So you're going from the angle that is it's a
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Speaker 1: parishioner privilege.
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Speaker 2: Is that correct?
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Speaker 12: It's an angle. I don't know that they're really actually
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Speaker 12: going to go with it, but maybe some of the
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Speaker 12: conversations that have happened, if there really is this sort
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Speaker 12: of affiliation, could fall under those protections.
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Speaker 1: If you know or think you know anything regarding the
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Speaker 1: murder of little Celeste Rivas, please call two one, three,
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Speaker 1: four eight six six' eight nine. Zero we Remember american
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Speaker 1: hero Investigator Anthony, freeman Bib County, Sheriffs, georgia killed in
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Speaker 1: the line of duty after seven, years leaving behind his
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Speaker 1: wife now, Widow, jessica and two, Children braden And. Blakelin
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Speaker 1: sentenced to life without. Dad american hero Investigator Anthony. Freeman
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Speaker 1: thank you to our, guests but especially the you for
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Speaker 1: being with us as we seek justice For. Celeste Nancy
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Speaker 1: grace signing, Off i'll see tomorrow, night and until, then
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Speaker 1: good night, friend