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Suicidal Tendencies · Deprogrammed Music Podcast

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It's Deprogram, the podcast where we try to get you into a
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band. That's right.
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We've done all the work for you. All you have to do is press play
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and listen. And you could say that I am band
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curious and in that I like to talk to my friends about bands
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that they love and find out why they love those bands and do the
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work with them and try to come up with a top 10 starter kit
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list for you today. You could say we're
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institutionalized. You could say that we've joined
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the Army. You could say that we're going
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to do it subliminally anyway you want to say it today we're
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talking about Suicidal Tendencies.
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And it's hilarious, Corey, that honestly, I can't believe it
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took this long to get here. And that, you know, forgive me
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for saying so, but you're the, you're the one who put them on
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the board. You're good dude, that's
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accurate. I, it is funny that nobody's
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gotten here yet that the pod hasn't arrived here, especially
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as long as you've been doing this.
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I I'm typically, I mean, the doors hair metal is typically my
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thing. But as I've gotten, as I'm
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approaching 40, it's a great time, I guess, to suddenly start
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suddenly start delving into punk rock.
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And so that's how I kind of, I'd heard of tendencies years ago.
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I remember a buddy of mine, my buddy Ballard had mentioned
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them, and I was like, wow, that's an interesting name for a
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band. I was 16.
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I didn't know any better. I was an idiot, as everybody is
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at that age. And it just kind of stayed in
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the back of my mind for years. And I was, you know, aware that
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they existed. And a couple years ago, I met my
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buddy Matt, and he played in the punk rock band and, you know,
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hardcore punk. And he would play at work all of
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these bands. And I would sit there and I
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would listen to it. And I'm like, well, who's this?
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Who's that? And that's how tendencies really
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came across my radar. And I would be sitting there
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through Apple Music, and I would add some of the stuff that he
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would play into my library as I'm listening to music around
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the house. It will come on.
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And I would take a band that I, OK, I like this song.
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And then natural curiosity takes over and you delve deeper into
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them. And I was telling you the other
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day, Justin, if I had discovered them years ago, they probably
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would be in like my five favorite bands of all time.
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They still might be. Even though I'm a late bloomer,
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as an St. fan, I love these dudes.
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This was a blast of a lesson, as they all are.
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But it's funny because you think of, I think people that you
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know, just kind of look at the the outside, you know, you think
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maybe Metallica, Pantera, stuff like that.
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These dudes rock every bit as hard as them, if not harder.
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I absolutely think harder. And I would I would find myself
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going to tendencies over any of those bands personally going
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forward. Oh, for sure.
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And I mean, it's funny you brought up you brought up like
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the, the hair metal in, you know, I was, I was curious.
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I never bothered to look at the timeline of this self-titled
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came out in 83. So it's, it's like parallel to
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your hair metal. So it really could have been on
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your, your radar. It's it's funny that it just now
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got there. It is, it is, man.
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I mean it. I, I always thought kind of they
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were a, I guess when they were hitting the stride is when I
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assumed that they began to exist.
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I mean, those are obviously all things we'll talk about, but as
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I kind of discovered, oh wow, they've been around for freaking
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years. Holy shit.
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You know, like you said, self-titled in 83.
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And then the evolution kind of began from there, which we'll
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get into. And it was enthralling to kind
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of hear how they progressed from this hardcore punk rock band to
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what they became. So I feel like probably
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somewhere around the last time Corey was on, he gives me a list
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of of stuff and tendencies is one of them.
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And I guess Christian, at some point you're coming through the
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list and you hopped on almost immediately.
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So talk to me about suicidal tendencies.
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Yeah, I I think as well, I was quite surprised they hadn't been
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done already because they seem like one of the big bands that I
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would have expected to have been done already.
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So I was really excited to actually see that it was an
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opportunity to come on and, and, and talk about them.
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A lot of the episodes, in fact, all of the episodes I've done to
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date have been sort of indie, maybe sort of some 90s, kind of,
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you know, not too heavy. And this was a really good
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opportunity to get back into my metal days, which is where where
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I was before I got into those kind of 90s kind of grunge bands
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and that and that kind of stuff. So yeah, I was really excited.
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I've normally got a interesting origin story for a band.
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I don't this time. A friend said check out this
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band. So really, really boring origin
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story this time from me. But yeah, I was a friend of mine
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said, look, check out this band. We were sort of into all the
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bands that Cory's mentioned, you know, Metallica, etcetera, and I
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went out and I bought the as as you do when you're a poor
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student. I bought the cheapest album that
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was that was available, which was How Will I Laugh tomorrow?
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And I absolutely loved it. Then I saw the video for
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Institutionalized, which is obviously a lot earlier than
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that. And I was like, whoa, they've
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got, you know, different sides, but it was they would one of the
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words I want to, I want to describe them as this kind of
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dangerous. And that, that that was really
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sort of like for me, a kid from Wales, you know, it's so far
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removed from from what my life was all about.
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You know, having said that, there, there was a, there was a
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connection because where I grew up, there was it was quite sort
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of a surfy, skatey area anyway. So there was that connection
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with that whole kind of beach life and, and, and skating.
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But in terms of the whole Californian thing and you know,
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the whole the, the, the, are they aren't they involved in the
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whole gang culture thing? It was, it just felt really
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excited and fresh and dangerous. And, you know, the, the, the,
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the other metal bands, your metallicas, your Megadeths, you
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know, a lot of their imagery and Iron Maiden I liked at the time,
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like their imagery was sort of dark and occult and you know,
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all that kind of stuff. And you know that the cover of
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How Will I Laugh? Where they're all in this
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blazing Californian sunshine in this kind of, you know, they're
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not dressed like other metal bands in your dark Leathers.
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They're all in like your, your skate clothes and your bandanas.
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And it was just, it was completely fresh.
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I wasn't into them for very long because they caught me just as I
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was kind of transitioning into that other kind of genre that I
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mentioned earlier. And I was just kind of moving
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away from metal. But this, the fact that I get to
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talk about them now is brilliant.
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The last few weeks listening back has been an absolute blast.
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Just to go back in time, back to my get my metaphorical long hair
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back on and and have a good old have a good old mosh.
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Yeah, dude. It's, it's funny because like,
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you know, again, as, as I'm want to do, you know, I kind of view
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things through American eyes as, as Rage Against the Machine once
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said, I don't really think about 'cause I, you know, I just made
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the parallel to like, you know, the time frame being at the same
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time as hair metal, which is very LA.
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But suicidal tendencies puts forward a different look at La
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and clearly globally, like, you know, suddenly you, you're
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looking at something else that's LA as opposed to that polished
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what's coming out of the hair metal, hair metal thing.
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So yeah, I'm, I have like 2 to three different entry points of,
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of tendencies in my life because first and foremost, beeps and
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butt head. There was several Beavis videos
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on Beavis and butt head that, you know, just implanted in my
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brain when, when I was very, you know, impressionable 1213 years
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old and just went, oh, that's cool.
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Like, you know, never enough to go, I'm going to go buy records.
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But like enough that, you know, it, like I said, it implanted.
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I, I knew who they were. I could I could put, you know, I
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could put a name to the band, put a name to the face and like
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I'll give more specific stories as we as we come up on the songs
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portion. But like and then
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institutionalized obviously got a got a lot of radio play here
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on Corey. You'll know this on 96 X used to
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play that song. So, you know, there's entry
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level 2 and then the band gets put back on my radar with,
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funnily enough, GTA5 and I'm actually doing another band in a
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couple days that GTA5 put, you know, in my face.
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But like, it's, it's funny how parallel this band has been to
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my life. And I've all every song I've
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ever heard. I've always been into you and I
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just why I never made the dive, who knows?
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You know, like this show has been great for that for me.
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And like, hey, let's you know, we did Pink Floyd last night,
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like hey, finally opening the door to this band that's been
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like around quite literally my whole life.
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And now it's finally time to to to get into him.
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We've made a, a couple mentions here, like of how fun of a
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listen, how, how easy of a, a listen.
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This was, Corey. We did have to chop it down to I
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think we ended up what like the first six records or something,
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5-6 records. When you, yeah, when you're
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looking at that and you know it, it kind of encompasses, you know
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what the 80s maybe right into the 90s.
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What it, what does it look like as you're trying to put your,
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your 20 together 'cause it. And you know, I know there's
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like a, a move in there, but like, you took your time with
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this one. You you really were pretty
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meticulous with your list. I did and a lot of that is, you
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know, we were in the middle of a move and we're all adults.
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We know how much moving sucks is the worst.
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It had it not been for that, we could have probably got to this
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two weeks earlier. But this was in terms of
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actually dissecting getting to my 20I realized as I was doing
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it, and I don't know if I mentioned it to you, you know,
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through the weeks, as were, you know, in person, this was the
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hardest time I had making cuts since the doors and that was
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like cutting limbs off your children, You know, when we did
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the doors episode. But this was it was very, very
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arduous, man. It was just hard to kind of, you
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know, because you want to check the boxes, you want to play the
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game, but it's also I found myself OK, do I want to learn
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more and make my cuts towards playing the game more or But
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holy shit, this song rocks. How can I cut this off?
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I love it. And, you know, I've, I always
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make lists of my final cuts, what I bring to the final round
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and what I end up neutering and. I was.
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Scrolling through, you know my notes section looking as you
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guys were talking and I'm seeing some that were just like oh man,
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you know I had forgotten you know the specific ones that I
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had cut until just looking at it.
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This one was hard man. It really was.
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It's. Interesting to hear that, like
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it's such a swift and easy listen, right Christian?
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Like as you said, you had a lot of fun listening, but that
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doesn't always translate to making a fun list make right.
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Yeah, it was, it was challenging.
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There were a couple of things that I that I sort of took into
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consideration. Chad, we always talk about
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whether album representation is important, and I think this is 1
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band. Yeah.
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Where it is because there is AI mean, you know, people who know
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the band will know that there's a you.
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You said the word earlier on, Corey, an evolution of sound,
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you know, going from 83 up to where do we stop our rebellion?
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Was that 90s? Yeah. 92, I think, yeah.
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That that sound massively evolves and I thought it was
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really important to get some milestones along the way just so
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you could actually see where that evolution takes place and
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how it moves along. So this is one of the, you know,
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the the bands I've done so far that this is probably the
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biggest one where album representation was important for
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me. The other one is this is a
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phrase that you use quite often just in is it does the thing.
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There are there are motifs within suicidal tendencies that
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I felt it was important to highlight in my 20 where oh,
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that's, that's a real St. motif. We have to have that in because
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of and it may just be a little, a little snippet.
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Do you know what I mean? It may just be 8 bars, but it's
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like, no, no, that is that that sums them up right there.
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And and therefore that has to be a contender for the list.
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That's funny you mention that, Christian, because I one of the
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songs that we'll discuss made my it ended up leapfrogging into my
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final 20. You know, based off of exactly
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that what you're saying. So I think I may have like not
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purposefully done that, you know, I don't know.
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We'll, we'll see how I, I don't have it written out via, you
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know, records and whatnot. I do.
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I do agree that representation will be important.
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As far as we should have a song from everything, especially it's
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only 5 records. We should be able to make that
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happen. It's such a breeze of a listen.
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I think I accidentally listened all the way through over the
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course of like an afternoon. And that's not usually the case
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with me. And usually it takes me like 2-3
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afternoons. I, you know, I only have like a
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little bit of time when I'm waiting to pick up the kids.
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But something happened where I had, I had an afternoon where I
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had a couple hours, I could just sit and listen and I just kind
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of breezed through it and I was suddenly I was done with my
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first pass and I was like, oh, and I don't think I had a ton
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through on my first pass, but like I could have.
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I'm also a person who doesn't want to make more work for
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myself. So I didn't, I didn't want to go
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back and overdo it, you know, like I was, I think it may have
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come down to 27, which I thought was kind of low and considering
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how much I enjoyed, but I was like, well, what am I going to
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do? Go add more and then make the
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this next round of cuts harder? No, that doesn't make any sense.
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Let's, we'll just go with this. And, you know, I, I feel like, I
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feel like I got a little everything and their songs that
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I knew that again, I, I, you know, people who have listened
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to the Pink Floyd episode will know that with a band like this
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that I've kind of either overlooked or has been in my
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head somewhere. I just never kind of opened the
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door to it. Like there's songs that I love
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even more now that, you know, some time has passed and the
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doors officially open. So it's this sounds like it
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could be interesting. It's 58 songs, so it's not like
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we can hide too much Corey. But it does feel like there is
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the possibility of overthinking overplaying.
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It does feel like there is a possibility that that this is
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this is a garbage fire when it comes to like, you know, how do
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we get to our list right? Like, but how much do you think
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we get through unanimously for the final say all?
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Right, man, I've been toying with that all afternoon.
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I'm going to go with it. It might be, it might be
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ambitious, but I'm going to go 4.
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OK, All right, Four. I like that.
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What do you think, Christian? I don't know.
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I feel quite, quite confident about this one.
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I think there are re songs that I would be flabbergasted if they
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didn't make it. So that's three already.
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I think there are there are standouts.
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I think there are other ones that I that I think we'll get
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through. So I'm going to go six.
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I've left the door open for you. I mean, do I take the easy way
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out and just split the difference?
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I mean, left that door open, right that's.
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What I'm saying, right, We did. I might as well take that
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because I can think of like one or two songs that if they don't
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get in, I could pick as as my pick to be the 10th song.
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So I might as well play. Yeah, you don't want to win.
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Normally I normally. Don't want to win this time I
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do. I want to no, but usually it's
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because I don't have a song in mind.
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There's a couple songs here where I, you know, if they don't
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make it, I I'd be like, OK, well, I can pick this song.
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So I'll go with five in case that way, in case I do win, I
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I've got something in mind. So all right, 456 we're we're
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right there in the middle. If that feels about right
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though, like it's 58 songs, but but they're all kind of in play.
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So we'll see. We're going to take a quick
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pause and when we come back on the other side of it, we're
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going to play the game. It's the programs.
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And with that, the name of the game is deprogrammed.
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The three of us have combed through the 1st 5 Suicidal
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Tendencies records and plucked out 20 songs that we are now
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going to mash together in an attempt to create a top 10
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starter kit for you in case you haven't given them the time of
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day. And I'll understand if one of
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you doesn't have this, but one of you should and it we're not
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here without this song. I don't care what anybody says.
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Like, even if it wasn't on your radar at the time it came out,
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it's probably the biggest hit. It's but it also fucking rules
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and it's very much what they do. And it was so good that Fred
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Durst had to use part of it for one of his songs in Limp Bizkit.
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You know what? 16 years later, I'm going to
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start with institutionalized. All I want it was a Pepsi.
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I got it. Yep.
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Yeah, If it wasn't, I would be ending, ending my participation
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in this podcast right now, I mean.
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Yeah, it does feel like that, right?
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Like in, you know, I would have understood if one of you didn't,
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you know, And but like this, there's no way that's a bin song
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for this band, and rightfully so.
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It should be in and thank God it is.
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We don't have to spend any more time on that.
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But like. I've never heard anything.
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I've never heard anything like like it before.
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Yeah. Yeah, it's.
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It's completely unique. Well, you know.
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In terms of what? I in terms of what I heard, but
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you know, there may be other things out there, but I've
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listened to a lot of music and it's, it's still holds up to
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this day as being unique and fresh for me.
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I also the video with when Beavis and Butthead are watching
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it and Beavis kind of like starts agreeing with Mike.
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He's like, they're always like Beavis Beavis and it's just you
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know, it, it it has both the uniqueness you're looking for.
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It also has a nostalgia you can tie to and it also had there's a
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timeliness to it, like it's it, it's very unique in in that way
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And and it it's just rules. So I'm I'm so happy I didn't
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have to like yell at one of you for not having it.
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All right, institutionalized is in Corey.
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Where do you want to go hang out with?
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You also on this round for self-titled in this one as well.
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You probably know where I'm going.
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Maybe obvious, but I I same thing felt like one of you guys
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definitely would have it if not too.
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So let's just try and see. Subliminal.
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Yes Sir. Yep, had it.
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There we. Go.
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Yeah, I wasn't sure if this was a Homer because this one got
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introduced to me via GTA5. Like, I'm sure that I had
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probably heard it prior to that, but I know it from GTA5 S it
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it's on one of the radio stations and like so many times
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I can recall. Like driving their stupid FedEx
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vans delivering drugs to people's doors in a video game,
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folks. Not for real.
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Yeah, just to clarify. And this song kind of being on,
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you know, as you're climbing up a mountain going 40 miles an
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hour in a stupid UPS truck, it's, you know, it's just going
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to. Pick up a hooker.
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Yeah, you. Know all those cool things and I
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mean funnily enough, my band, we wrote a song.
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So we wrote a song when we were a band prior and one of the
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riffs we took it and brought it to the new band and it
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accidentally is the same as the opening rift, the subliminal.
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So we we accidentally ganked the the rift from subliminal.
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So that was just a fun note. It does.
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It does. It does lots of the thing.
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Yeah, subliminal. It has, it has that menacing
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quality. It it does something that, you
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know, people often talk about Pixies and grunge being loud,
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quiet, dynamic. St. have like a slow, fast
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dynamic, which is definitely a motif.
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And yeah. And that transition into the
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sort of the skate punk, you know, it's.
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Yeah, it takes a lot of the boxes.
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Yeah. I mean.
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It does. Well, and this is one of those
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ones for me where it's like the game almost gets inside your
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head because you at least in bands I've done in the past, you
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know, it's like, well, you don't.
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Do you really want to bring all of the ones that get the FM
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radio circulation to the conversation?
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Everybody already kind of knows those.
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So you always kind of, at least for me, I've always kind of
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tried to decipher which ones do I want to bring forth forces,
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which ones I want to leave behind.
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So I kind of had that game with institutionalized versus
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subliminal. And then I'm sitting there going
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fuck that dude. They I, you can't not have them
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both. It's true.
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It's true. And I it clearly all all three
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of us agreed, which is great. I was sure that one of them was
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was going to not be on one of ours.
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So I'm glad that we got them both.
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That makes sense. Yeah, that 6.
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Is looking good, brother, Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
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All right, Christian, where you want to go?
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Left lots of doors open. I will tell you what I mentioned
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that the album that got me into them was #3 How will I laugh?
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Certainly #3 in this list anyway.
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How will I laugh tomorrow? But I can't even smile today.
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And I will pick the title track. Got it.
24:32
OK. Good.
24:33
I don't, but yeah, I know. You know, I think that kind of
24:39
comes with not knowing the the band fully before doing this.
24:45
But yeah, well, I mean, subliminal wasn't in my 3
24:51
definites and this one was, so I guess that's even get out a
24:55
little bit. But wow, OK.
24:57
It's. It's I love it and it's got one
25:00
of one of the best breakdowns. Well, one of my favorite
25:05
breakdowns, let's say in music that the whole bit with the IT
25:09
just goes think sounds funny. Left this and then the rest that
25:17
just bit. That bit just makes me go nuts.
25:21
Oh, sorry, I'll let you guys down.
25:22
Yeah. Obviously it doesn't make Justin
25:24
go nuts, but yeah. Damn it, Justin.
25:29
I'm often times that guy, unfortunately.
25:33
It's, it's usually me to be fair, so you know.
25:36
I'll stay on that record with you and you know, I'll, I'll
25:40
stay here and I'm going with this one because I didn't get a
25:43
ton of answers when I asked threads, you know, about
25:46
suicidal tendencies. We got, you know, of course, a
25:49
couple people answering with institutionalized and this is
25:52
one of the other answers I got, which is why it at least in
25:56
part, why I kept it on my list. So how about trip at the brain?
26:01
Absolutely, dude. Yeah, it definitely is really
26:04
important. Hey, all right, all right, that
26:09
that gets us going again. And that also just means like,
26:14
you know, if it, I just noticed surprise, surprise track 1.
26:19
Yeah, that, yeah, Yep, that that opening, it just says, yeah,
26:25
we're a Malaban now. Yeah.
26:27
And what a great video too. Oh, OK, so it was a single.
26:33
That makes sense. That must have been at least in
26:35
part, why somebody answered that.
26:39
I just thought it ripped. I was like, oh, this is cool.
26:41
Like this is, this is a neat little progress to their sound.
26:47
Yeah, they were, you know #1 is it is a punk album #2 you know,
26:53
I don't know, Join the Army. I don't know that album very
26:56
well. But what I've read is they say
26:58
that that became a bit more metal.
27:00
I, I, I don't hear it as much. It's Join the Army's a bit more
27:03
kind of messy. But for me, that opening of
27:07
track 1 of How Will I Laugh is just like, yeah, they are firmly
27:12
flash metal band. And it's, it's confident the
27:14
production's clean. It's yeah, it's, as I said, it's
27:18
a real milestone for me that in terms of the evolution of the
27:21
band. So we got it.
27:24
It's in. Brings us up to a three still
27:29
very early in the game. So like it could easily fall off
27:32
at any moment or we could go on a hot streak.
27:34
Who knows? We'll see, Corey.
27:38
All right. So I'll I'll venture to my
27:40
favorite album of theirs since you guys are Christian, you did
27:44
for yours, I'll go to Lights Camera Revolution and I'll stick
27:48
with that track 1 theme as well with You Can't Bring Me Down.
27:52
Yeah, I got it. 1,000,000%. Hey, hey.
27:58
All right. Let me get that queued up.
28:03
That is 1. I didn't see going all the way
28:06
through that. That one I felt like was
28:07
probably A2 but. Wow.
28:10
Yeah, me too. Really.
28:12
No, that, that is an absolute stand out for me.
28:14
It's it is one of the songs that I listen to before I play sport.
28:19
It just. It just massively pumps, pumps
28:22
me up. The video is amazing.
28:28
There's the bit where it kind of gets a bit melodic when he's in
28:31
the video and I'm just, I can just picture he's sort of doing
28:33
that sort of that dance where you sort of side to side and
28:36
he's kind of going through a prison corridor.
28:39
And there's people like grabbing up the cells and he's in sort of
28:42
shuffles and he he's just sort of sort of striding through.
28:45
And you know, the bet is like can't bring me down.
28:48
No, everything about that song, it absolutely smashes.
28:54
What would you look at that Corey?
28:55
We're at right at your four this early in the game.
28:59
Dude, right? I know I should have been.
29:01
I thought that might have been ambitious.
29:03
I should have been even more ambitious, I guess.
29:05
That's interesting though, like all good.
29:07
Yeah, you know. You never know.
29:10
I mean, you have to start playing the game to find out,
29:12
right? So, Yep.
29:15
All right, Christian. OK, I'll stay on the album.
29:22
I'm going to pick a song. That kind of evidence is kind of
29:27
something about Mike Mirror. I think he's he's an absolutely
29:30
fascinating character. There's, you know, there's two
29:34
sides to Mike Muir. There's the the whole, the
29:37
bravado of like, he's a big guy. Like you would mess with him,
29:41
the muscles, the kind of the low slang bandana, especially, you
29:44
know, later on when he's sort of properly bugged up and he's got
29:48
the long hair of the bandana and he's big and and yet there's a
29:52
vulnerability to him as well in terms of, you know, as he gets,
29:56
as they get into the later albums, he's got this kind of
29:58
falsetto that he the users I read someone said it's his Ray
30:02
Davis voice from the Kinks. And I was like, whatever.
30:07
And you know, the whole, the whole, you know, the whole self
30:09
deprecation that goes right through the whole thing about
30:13
the whole idea of this suicidal tendencies about him having low
30:19
self worth and he's no good and all this kind of stuff.
30:21
So it's a real sort of dichotomy with Mike Beery.
30:23
He's he's, and I find that really fascinating.
30:27
But yeah, I'm going to go for get to the point.
30:29
I'm going to go for a loan. After all that that.
30:34
Was that was one of my final cuts?
30:36
Dude, I do not have it. I can't.
30:38
Save you either, sorry. OK.
30:41
That's fine. It's just, as I say, I wanted to
30:44
get that on it because it's just that the way that it begins,
30:46
it's that that high kind of look at this guy.
30:50
He didn't cry. It's that, you know, it's his
30:54
high voice, not his shouty voice, you know?
30:57
Yeah, he's. Being vulnerable.
30:58
He's being vulnerable, yeah. Never mind.
31:03
We've. Kind of gone all over the place.
31:04
So like we haven't cracked in to join the Army.
31:07
I know what you said Christian, but I did find stuff from join
31:11
the army so might as well see if we can find something from that.
31:20
How about you got I want? I don't.
31:27
No, not for me. OK.
31:28
All right. Into the bin and we had to dive
31:32
into it at some point. So all right, Corey, I will.
31:37
I'm just going to follow you guys kind of.
31:39
I guess that's the trend. So I'll stick on join the army
31:43
with human Guinea pig. Oh.
31:46
No, unfortunately. No.
31:50
Me neither. No.
31:51
Dice. Yeah, might be time to bail on
31:56
join, join the army for now. Come back to that later,
32:02
Christian. I do have some, believe it or
32:08
not, I do have some stuff from Join the Army.
32:11
But yeah, all right, let's go back to that later.
32:12
All right, let's go where we haven't gone yet.
32:14
Then this Art of Rebellion was another album that kind of for
32:22
me didn't have as strong an identity as maybe self-titled
32:27
How I Laugh and Like Camera, but I've managed to get something
32:30
from every album. I'll go with something that was
32:32
literally my 20th pick. It's got heavy guitar, it's got
32:37
funky bass because by then you've got to Halo in the mix.
32:41
It's got the Mikey Mirror falsetto.
32:45
Which way to free No. I got.
32:48
It hey. Take that too.
32:52
I, you know, for the record, I Art of Rebellion was easily my
32:57
least favorite that we covered. Absolutely, you know, not that
33:01
again, you know, I hate saying things like that because it
33:03
comes off as me saying like it's bad.
33:06
It isn't bad. It's just you.
33:09
You said it perfectly Christian, so I don't know why I'm
33:11
repeating it, but I think maybe because hearing it from a second
33:16
person on the panel might kind of put it out there to the world
33:19
that these other ones are very clearly suicidal tendencies and
33:25
not that that that one isn't. It's just a lesser then like if
33:31
you, if you want suicidal tendencies, go for the earlier
33:35
stuff and then you can get to that later.
33:38
And it's it's a perfectly acceptable, it's a perfectly
33:42
fine suicidal tendencies record. But if you want like to get into
33:46
them, go earlier like that. It's we'll find something from
33:50
that for sure. But yeah, you know, since he's
33:54
since you're there, I do have a couple from that, so I might as
33:58
well try one of mine too. Sometimes the attitude is in the
34:04
song title too. So I'm going to go with one that
34:08
has the attitude in the song title.
34:10
How about we call this Mother Revenge My final?
34:16
Cuts. I did not take it through.
34:20
Yeah, it didn't have it. It's it's, it's in my, you know,
34:24
it's in the top half of that album.
34:26
But no, I didn't make it all. Right into the bin.
34:30
All right, We'll find each other again, Corey.
34:35
I only brought two from the Art of Rebellion into the
34:38
conversation, so I'll just throw my other one out and see if
34:41
either one of you guys have it. I've got nobody hears.
34:45
Nope. Nope, same.
34:50
What are the better ones? But not not up there for me.
34:55
Yep. Yep, All right, so.
34:56
That, that one's going to be hard to find something from, but
34:59
we'll figure out something maybe.
35:02
All right, Christian. OK, which way do I go?
35:10
Right? I haven't taken anything from
35:12
self-titled yet, so I'm going to go with something that does one
35:17
of the things Menacing, slow, dissonant, the opening riff,
35:24
suicidal failure. Don't.
35:30
Dang it. I mean, as a, as a song, I kind
35:35
of get, I get that, you know, it's but that riff that for me
35:42
that, that is that first, first album, you know, in a, in a
35:46
nutshell, it's, it's similar to the subliminal has that kind of
35:50
dissonant kind of feel to it, which creates that menace and
35:53
that sense of danger. And it, it, it does that for me.
35:57
But that's, that's cool. That's cool.
35:59
I think the problem here is, and I'm I, I didn't look at my album
36:03
breakdown until now. I've got 6 from that record.
36:08
So I, you know, 121. Yeah.
36:11
So I think that probably just kind of got lost to I've got too
36:15
much. Something's got to go, yeah.
36:17
And. I think there are there are
36:19
better songs on the album and I think I went a different
36:22
direction in terms of picking songs where that perhaps the
36:25
overall song wasn't as good, but it had a like I said it tell it
36:28
told the story, it had a motif. So, and that's a perfect example
36:31
of that all. Right, so I might as well
36:36
continue with follow the leader. You went back to self-titled.
36:38
I'll go with self-titled. This is the only other answer I
36:42
got when I asked the Internet which the Internet was
36:45
everything. So one of you may have this.
36:49
How about I want more? I've got it.
36:55
Yeah, I have. That yay all.
36:58
Right, God. And now the weight just got.
37:04
That's #5. I mean, Mike Miller.
37:08
Mike Miller is looking to the sky again.
37:10
I will say this, there's one that I haven't played yet that
37:14
if it doesn't get in, I know I'm taking.
37:16
So we'll see like where you guys fall in that song.
37:21
But just like that at 5, I didn't see that one.
37:27
I mean, I guess I must have somewhat because somebody said
37:30
it, but it is interesting. The ones that have have kind of
37:34
gone in. So all right, I only want more
37:37
is in brings us to five. And just for the record, we've
37:41
got the five unanimous and two twos.
37:43
So we still got our work cut out for us, but we still have like
37:46
well over half our lists, I think.
37:48
So, yeah. Where you want to go, Corey?
37:52
So I'm going to go here just because I want to see if this is
37:56
the other song you're talking about that you will fight for.
37:59
Because this is one of the ones, the chalky ones that Christian
38:02
said he had a few. This is one of the ones for me
38:05
so I just want to see if this was it.
38:08
How will I laugh tomorrow? Pledge your allegiance.
38:11
Oh, I got it. That wasn't it, but I got it.
38:14
Really. Yeah.
38:15
Yeah, I have it. St.
38:18
Yes, boom. Yes, firmly away from my 5.
38:23
On to Christian 6. The weight is off me.
38:26
We can go. We can do whatever we want from
38:28
here. I do.
38:31
I no longer care. Yeah.
38:34
The weight is not mine, although that does put my My One song in
38:39
jeopardy. So we'll see.
38:41
We'll see what happens when we get there.
38:43
We scroll this up and get it queued up before we move on.
38:48
I guess I didn't realize that this one was was chalky.
38:51
Is this like a single or something or just kind of?
38:57
So I believe it was I for me, it just, it's, I know it's one of
39:01
the top played songs on Apple Music.
39:03
I think it was probably a single.
39:05
I think it's just kind of that, you know, at the beginning, the
39:09
St. it feels very, it feels very Ant to me.
39:13
It feels like one of the ones like if I were to put someone
39:16
onto the band, that would be one of the Rushmore ones where I
39:19
would go, Yo, you got to hear this one.
39:21
Yeah. Yeah, that.
39:23
St. is is iconic. It's like a sports chant.
39:26
Yeah, yeah. Exactly.
39:27
Yeah, yeah. All right, Christian, I mean,
39:31
we're right at your 6. I don't know if you've I, I
39:34
think you've won before, so you know.
39:37
Yeah. I wish I'd had.
39:40
Could keep. Better track of that.
39:42
But I mean, I guess I do record it and could go back and all
39:49
right, yeah, I won. I won the cranberries.
39:52
That's. Right, I won the cranberries.
39:53
And I did a last minute pivot. OK, I'll stay on.
40:00
How will I laugh then? And this is actually one of my
40:03
favorite songs. I'm not sure whether other
40:05
people think it's a strong song, but again, it it has a bit that
40:10
I absolutely love the miracle. Oh.
40:15
No. I do not.
40:17
Don't, but I know what you're talking about.
40:19
Yeah. Yeah, you.
40:20
Know the bet, right? Uh huh.
40:27
Yep, that's cool. That's cool.
40:29
Again, I'm hard one to leave off.
40:31
I'm going. For riffs and and bits rather
40:34
than, you know, whole songs some of the time.
40:37
So if they, you know, if they swing and miss, there's a
40:40
reason. Yeah.
40:41
Right, well, it's it's funny we've we've got a lot of bin
40:44
stuff, but we also have the six unanimous and two twos.
40:49
So it's like this this feels like I I think it's playing out.
40:54
Ultimately. I was what I'm trying to say
40:56
ultimately is kind of how I thought it was.
40:58
Even though there's only 58 songs in play here.
41:01
It's deep and I've none of these ones that have gone in the bin.
41:06
Nobody's gone. No, and I never would have, you
41:11
know, like, right. So all right, so we're back
41:14
around to me. Let me try.
41:28
This is my last how I laugh track.
41:34
How about if I don't wake up? Ironically, that is also my last
41:40
one from How Will I Laugh? I've got it.
41:42
Hey and. I don't win because I have it
41:46
too. Wow.
41:47
Hey. All.
41:48
Right. So we're going to continue
41:50
playing just like that up to seven.
41:53
I, you know, I don't know, man. Sometimes it's cool when no one
41:57
wins because that means we've exceeded expectations.
42:02
You know, that's kind of cool. That's true.
42:05
That is true. Damn.
42:09
I didn't expect this one, I'll tell you that.
42:12
Yeah, no, I wouldn't have had this either.
42:13
That's a shocker or a sleeper. Yeah, me too.
42:17
Didn't expect that one. I love a sleeper.
42:21
Get it up here right? Who doesn't?
42:23
Yeah. Get this up to the top with the
42:25
rest of the thing and Corey where you want to go.
42:31
I'm going to go for one of my favorite songs of theirs.
42:35
I don't expect this one to make it, but it would be cool if at
42:38
least one of you guys had an awful lights camera.
42:41
Send me your money, yes? Yes, No.
42:47
Well. At least we got just yes.
42:51
That's the song. Really.
42:54
Yes, I got. It that's the song that if I
42:58
would have won, that was the one that I would have picked.
43:02
You know, it's, it's there's stories here.
43:05
There's double, double stories. First easy story is this is one
43:08
of the videos that Beavis and Butthead played as well.
43:11
So again, it implants on me at A at a young time in my life, 1213
43:16
years old. And now they're, they're the
43:19
next level of that story is because of watching it on Beavis
43:22
and Butthead. I took it to school one day and
43:26
welcome to the Church of suicidal.
43:29
And I would do that part and my friend Paul would always like go
43:34
suicidal and it's, it's fucking stupid.
43:38
But because the way, the way I would perform it, he would
43:41
always say suicidal and like correct me and it would piss me
43:45
off so much. It's it's dumb, but like, oh
43:49
God, I love this dumb song. Like it just it makes me happy.
43:53
And and you know, I think about like the content of it in the
43:56
video where it's kind of taking a raw net at, you know, those
43:59
big mega churches that that are asking for your money.
44:03
So like, I don't know, all that stuff kind of hits me in my
44:05
sweet spot. So I'm glad I'm glad that it is
44:10
in the conversation. And as of right now, since we
44:13
have the seven unanimous, we're officially out of NTP.
44:16
Nobody's going to win if we do nothing else.
44:19
All three of these songs are in unless Christian really, really
44:23
wants to put his foot down and send me your money.
44:25
We'll, we'll see about that. But I, I I.
44:27
I, I don't dislike the song. It's, it's for me, it's a bit
44:32
infectious grooves. It's got the sort of you could,
44:36
there's a, there's a big Trujillo base kind of on that.
44:39
And yeah, I, I, I massively got into Infectious Grooves around
44:43
the same time and I was quite deliberate about this being St.
44:48
not Infectious Grooves. And I think that's kind of, that
44:51
one veers towards the middle for me.
44:55
So that's kind of, yeah. I didn't go for anything too
44:58
funky in this because you never know, we might do Infectious
45:01
Grooves. Yeah, that's true.
45:03
Eventually that's true. We have all the.
45:05
Bands in the world, so we'll get there.
45:08
Right. Maybe in?
45:09
Like 2042 or something. All right, Samir Nnamani gets
45:15
A2, gets to hang around for now. And Christian.
45:20
OK, they have a song that fits in a category where I have some
45:26
songs that I always reference when I talk about songs like
45:29
this, which is multi movement songs.
45:32
So when I hear a multi movement song, I think of three songs.
45:36
Bohemian Rhapsody, Paranoid Android, and slightly more less
45:43
well known Tuner in the Brine by Silverchair.
45:46
Oh yeah, and they have one on how I laugh.
45:51
I counted the number of different riffs in the song and
45:55
I think I got to 16, which is pretty, pretty impressive.
45:59
It's suicycle mania. I mean, unfortunately I can't
46:04
save you. As I mentioned, I'm out.
46:06
I don't. Either I can't, but that was one
46:09
of my final cuts. Yeah, again, just just the the
46:14
way that it goes in so many different directions.
46:17
Again, it's more of a thing than actually I like this as a song
46:20
because in terms of a song, it doesn't go, you know, doesn't do
46:23
a lot. But just all of the ref if you
46:26
if you just want to listen to some kick ass guitar, it's it's
46:30
amazing. Well, it's.
46:32
Very. It's very St. as well.
46:34
You know, that's that signature sound that they've got that you
46:37
hear that and you go, OK, I know who that is.
46:40
Sure, we've got nothing from Art of Rebellion into the
46:45
conversation yet, so I'm going to trot my last chance at
46:48
getting something from it in. How about accept my sacrifice?
46:58
To know from I don't have it. Oh, it was it was a last cut.
47:04
It was in for so long. And then it I literally swapped
47:09
it out yesterday. That is get ready.
47:12
Stomach haircut, banana, I think.
47:18
Yeah, no, just missed it. Well, I can't save anybody
47:23
else's rebellion picks, unfortunately.
47:25
But away we go, Corey. I'll go back to lights camera
47:33
here for one that also I brought in because of what we were
47:39
discussing in terms of St. and having that vibe about it.
47:43
I've got discos out murders in yes.
47:47
No all. Right, it's a 2, but we've got
47:51
ourselves a conversation here for what what is in and what is
47:55
out. So, yeah.
47:58
All right, Christian, OK. I haven't picked anything from
48:04
Join the Army yet and I said that it's not my favorite so I
48:09
don't have a lot, but I did think this.
48:12
I'm surprised this one's lasted this long because I think it's
48:15
the stand out track on the album and it's the title track Join
48:19
the Army I. Don't have?
48:21
Yep. OK, good.
48:23
I've got it. That one came up when I asked
48:28
the Internet, they they said that one as well.
48:32
But I, I that's a two, yeah. A2 cool gets to.
48:36
Hang around, at least for now, and the conversation gets a
48:42
little deeper. So we'll see.
48:46
All right, let me give a real count real quick. 12345678 Yeah,
48:52
I feel like we got a couple more rounds in US here.
48:59
How about I'll try it out? My light, last lights, camera
49:05
track. How about lovely?
49:08
Hell yeah. No, not.
49:11
For me. Take that too again.
49:14
Is that too funky? Too funky with this band?
49:20
It's an infectious grooves argument again for me.
49:23
Fair enough. Fair enough.
49:26
Lovely, gets the two, and the conversation gets even harder.
49:30
All right, Corey. So I want to I'm going to I'm
49:34
going to stick off lights, camera and I Christian, I don't
49:38
know if you would put this in the infectious grooves category
49:40
as well. I this one, though, I felt like
49:43
deserved to mention, not just in terms of, you know, when we go
49:46
through and dump out. It's kind of controversial, but
49:51
I got to I got to play it go and breakdown.
50:00
Yeah. Yeah, I have it.
50:02
Hey. Right, there's a team.
50:06
Breakdown. Yeah, were you going to?
50:11
Say something Christian. I was just going to say
50:14
breakdown. Oh.
50:18
I was like, did I cut him off? All right?
50:23
Oh, God, now. Oh, all these twos now it's
50:27
starting to make my head hurt, like seeing all this
50:30
conversation. All right, Christian.
50:37
Right. OK, I'm running now.
50:42
Actually I don't have many left. I'll stay on lights, camera
50:46
because I'm looking at my list and we've only got one in
50:48
unanimous. So I'm going to try something
50:51
else. Lost again?
50:55
Got it. Wow, I can't make that
50:59
unanimous. Obviously.
51:00
I'm out on lights camera. And I should have, I should have
51:05
remembered that, but never mind. All right, so we're back around
51:12
to me. By the sounds of it, this
51:13
probably can be our our last full round before we dump out.
51:19
I'll go back to self-titled here.
51:23
How about you cited politics? Oh, I don't.
51:29
Have it. No me need that.
51:32
It's a great song but I don't love it though.
51:35
Bend. OK, Corey.
51:41
I'll play my last one off of Join the Army war inside my
51:45
head. Yeah, I.
51:46
Got it. Yeah, Wow.
51:49
Hey, wow. And the plot thickens.
51:56
I mean, again, talk about wanting to be.
52:01
It's always better to way overshoot what any of us think.
52:07
And it also gets us to join the Army song in unanimously.
52:10
So like, that can kind of come into play later, too.
52:15
Yeah, that's cool. So.
52:18
All right, Christian. OK, I will go back to first
52:31
album. What a great album cover, but we
52:34
haven't talked about album covers yet, OK, And album
52:37
covers, I mean, apart from joining the army, which is just
52:41
weird. I mean, that first album album
52:45
when they're all hanging upside down on the fence, that is just
52:47
absolutely iconic. I've already talked about how
52:50
will I laugh that kind of they're all in there kind of
52:52
skate clothes in the in the sun, but there's a menacing, you
52:55
know, lights camera with that kind of cinema kind of right in
53:00
iconic, absolutely iconic. Anyway, sorry I digress.
53:04
So go back to the first album again.
53:07
This does the thing because it starts off really fast, thrash
53:11
punk and then it goes into like a almost like a swing.
53:15
Well, I've got a little story to tell.
53:18
It's the first song on the first album, Suicide and Alternative
53:22
Slash. You'll be sorry.
53:23
Yeah, I got it. It was one of my final cuts.
53:29
It's, you know, it's the intro to the band in terms of full
53:33
length. It's it, it does the thing.
53:37
It's the fast, it's the kind of the medium tempo.
53:41
It's the, it's the shouty. It's the sing singing it.
53:45
Yeah. It's, it's a great introduction
53:47
to to what you're going to get, basically.
53:49
Yeah. Really good, yeah.
53:51
And I mean, typically this that would have been a song I'd lead
53:55
with, but you know, when you have the weight of
53:59
institutionalized on you, you kind of got to start there.
54:03
And then it was just like, well, there's a lot of tendency songs
54:07
that do the thing. It made my list because it does
54:11
the thing, but it also didn't need to be something I let off
54:14
with. So.
54:15
But we'll take that too. Yeah.
54:19
We got that too and I guess that leaves us to the dump out and I
54:23
only have a couple left here. So, starting at the top on
54:27
self-titled Memories of Tomorrow.
54:31
Nope. Nope.
54:33
OK, moving on to join the army. Army.
54:37
I can speak. Suicidal maniac.
54:43
No. Nope.
54:46
OK. The prisoner.
54:50
Nope. Nope.
54:52
All. Right.
54:52
And last but not least, I feel your pain.
54:57
Nope. Nope.
54:59
OK, so we sword past everybody and we get 83 unanimously.
55:04
There's no more on the table that we can we can get.
55:07
But Corey, you can make the conversation harder.
55:11
What do you got left? I've only got 2 left off of
55:15
self-titled possessed. Nope and.
55:20
Off of Join the Army psycho. Nope.
55:25
Right and psycho. All right.
55:36
What do you got left, Christian? Yeah, I.
55:39
Only have two either, but I'm I'm later.
55:42
I have give it revolution off lights, camera revolution and
55:50
just trying to hit on our rebellion.
55:54
I have tap into the power and that's what I slightly
55:58
constitute myself because that has a funky Truffulo finger
56:01
bass, but yeah. We covered almost all of lights,
56:09
camera. The only two that didn't come up
56:12
in conversation today were get whacked in a motion #13 just for
56:15
the record. Yeah.
56:17
Which is funny because like I wouldn't consider that like my
56:21
favorite record of theirs, you know, like it, you know, I
56:25
didn't feel like particularly drawn in the same way that I was
56:30
to some some of the earlier records.
56:33
But also it it's just interesting that that's the one
56:36
we pulled the most from. I guess is is what I'm getting
56:38
at easily, like very handily because they're still it's.
56:44
I think, you know, from what I read, that that's the one that
56:47
people consider to be their kind of their masterpiece, I guess.
56:51
I mean, you know, maybe maybe I just didn't clock how much I
56:55
liked it. I'd have to go back and and
56:56
listen and hopefully I'm trying to get ahead.
56:59
And so it'd be nice to like make space for to go back to bands
57:03
like this that I thoroughly enjoyed and be able to listen to
57:06
them at leisure instead of, you know, to make a list.
57:10
All right, so we did great here, fellas.
57:13
We we got 8 through unanimously. We've got subliminal
57:17
institutionalized trip of the brain.
57:19
You can't bring me down. I want more pledge your pledge,
57:22
your allegiance. If I could read if I don't wake
57:24
up and war inside my head. So let's look at these twos.
57:28
This this just got more and more brutal as as it went on and you
57:33
know, as as we landed a couple more of those those unanimous.
57:38
It's like man, like the the conversation doesn't get as
57:42
clinging anymore. So we've got the title track How
57:46
Will I Laugh tomorrow, Which way to Free, which is a 2 from Art
57:50
of Rebellion again, but we talk about album representation, so
57:55
send me your money. Disc goes out, murders in join
57:59
the Army, Lovely go and breakdown, Lost Again and
58:04
suicide. It's an alternative.
58:06
You'll be sorry. So for track 9, but we don't
58:13
have anything from Rebellion, we've talked at length about
58:18
feeling the need to have representation.
58:20
Do we still feel that way? I mean, so for me personally it
58:30
once we got to 8 album representation kind of goes out
58:34
the window because there's not as much to play with.
58:38
I do still see the argument though.
58:40
For me, I just think there's so many twos that are like, yeah,
58:44
that one, that one, that one that.
58:47
I mean, I think you can go either way, but I would skew
58:50
more towards kind of going through the songs individually.
58:54
Then let's make sure the art of rebellion is represented because
58:59
like, yeah, I think Justin, you were the one that said that was
59:02
that was my least favorite as well.
59:04
And that could probably be, you know, universal out of what we
59:07
chose. And it's not saying the album is
59:09
cheeks by any stretch, but when every other one is so damn good,
59:15
it's not that that one's bad. It's just to get shuffled down
59:18
the deck. Yeah.
59:19
What? Do you think Christian?
59:21
Yeah, I agree. I agree.
59:23
Like I mentioned, there was a really strong feeling when I was
59:27
putting my 20 together around album representation.
59:30
But I completely agree what Corey said.
59:32
When we've got 2 to play with, which way to free, is that
59:36
really going to fight out some of the others just because it's
59:40
on that album and I think right. But you know.
59:43
You know, particularly because it's the last album as well.
59:46
If this if this was on an album sort of towards the middle or
59:50
early on, I think, OK, there's more of an but you can kind you
59:53
can kind of say, well, it you know, we we could have done we
59:57
could have done the first four albums and it wouldn't be in the
59:59
conversation. Do you know what I mean?
1:00:00
It still would be a a show about suicidal tendencies and you
1:00:05
could have stopped that lights camera and that would be enough
1:00:07
to get people into the band. So I don't have an issue with it
1:00:11
with it not being with with nothing from rebellion being on
1:00:15
there for those reasons, I guess.
1:00:17
Yeah, I. Think if we're looking at six,
1:00:20
maybe even 7, like with we have 3 or 4 songs that that we can
1:00:25
play with. I I think it has a stronger
1:00:27
chance. But just to kind of echo
1:00:29
everybody's point, I don't think you know, does is I I told to
1:00:34
send me your money story does which way to free really beat
1:00:36
send me your money when it's got that that story, like, you know,
1:00:40
does is it really stronger than, you know, anything that we've
1:00:44
got left from, you know, self-titled like yeah, I don't
1:00:47
know it. It's happy to be here.
1:00:50
And, you know, I just don't see it beating out some of these
1:00:55
songs. So, all right, let me run them
1:01:00
down one more time and we can kind of start seeing where we go
1:01:05
here. How will I laugh tomorrow?
1:01:08
Send me your money. Disc goes out.
1:01:09
Murders in. Join the Army.
1:01:11
Lovely. Go and breakdown.
1:01:13
Lost again and suicide. It's an alternative.
1:01:15
You're sorry. Is there one that's kind of
1:01:17
really sticking out to you, Corey, I thought for?
1:01:21
Me I go send me your money and go and breakdown.
1:01:26
Those are my 2 that kind of jump out at me.
1:01:29
Also probably second tier. Lovely and how will I laugh
1:01:35
tomorrow? But those are the 2 for me.
1:01:38
Send me your money and go and breakdown we.
1:01:41
Think Christian the. The only one I feel particularly
1:01:50
strongly about, because this is one of the three that I thought
1:01:52
was was a shoo in, was how I laugh tomorrow.
1:01:57
But again, coming back to representation, the way I feel
1:02:01
if, if we are, if we are now just talking about the first
1:02:03
four, the way I feel that the numbers should go in terms of
1:02:07
the story, it should be equal between self-titled How will I
1:02:11
Laugh and Lights Camera and Join the Army less so.
1:02:15
So we currently have three from the first album, 3 from How Will
1:02:18
I laugh, one from join the Army and one from Lights camera.
1:02:22
And I mentioned it on lights Lights camera, I think I
1:02:25
understand is their kind of most acclaimed album.
1:02:29
So I'm kind of torn between those two arguments.
1:02:31
Really. If, if, if I take my second
1:02:32
argument, we should have two from lights camera, because then
1:02:35
that gives us 3331, which I think is the perfect balance.
1:02:39
But in terms of songs, I would be disappointed if how will I
1:02:43
laugh is not in there. I'm not particularly attached or
1:02:48
or the other way with regards to any of the other songs.
1:02:51
If you guys want to bat for send me a money.
1:02:54
I don't have an issue with that. So it sounds like you have a bit
1:02:57
of a bit of a a connection with that one to Justin.
1:03:00
So I'm, I'm happy for that one to go in and then we've got one
1:03:05
more to decide on, right? So.
1:03:07
Let's do it Yeah, let's grab send me your money then seems
1:03:12
like we have some concession there and then let's figure out
1:03:15
this sounds like the discussion is between how will I laugh
1:03:17
tomorrow versus go and breakdown, right Yeah.
1:03:24
I. Mean I unless you know anyone
1:03:26
feels strongly about any of the other ones.
1:03:28
Those are the two. This and I had both.
1:03:32
So. I could go either way.
1:03:36
I do think, Christian, you make a hell of a point about album
1:03:39
representation amongst the four. The layout of 333 from
1:03:45
self-titled How Will I Laugh and Lights Camera feels, and that's
1:03:49
not me trying to push for going breakdown over How Will I Laugh.
1:03:53
But that does feel, it feels perfect having the album's
1:03:57
represented that way. Because I think we all agree of
1:04:00
those four, Join the Army is probably the weakest.
1:04:03
Yeah, respectfully. Yeah, yeah, even though.
1:04:08
I had like 5 songs from it yes I, I, I agree It's it's the the
1:04:13
weakest yeah. I it's it's hard to argue math
1:04:20
when math starts coming into it. We all kind of came to the same
1:04:24
conclusion. So like, why fight that?
1:04:29
And I mean, yes, it's easy for me to say because I'm the odd
1:04:33
man out on both of these songs, but if we have something that
1:04:37
feels right, we should probably go with that.
1:04:41
And also, it does seem like a would seem like a shame that
1:04:46
only two from Lights camera got through when we practically
1:04:49
covered the entire record. There were only two songs that
1:04:54
need any. None of us mentioned.
1:04:55
Yeah. So I, you know, I, it sounds
1:04:59
like I'm, I'm talking myself into going breakdown unless
1:05:03
anybody would like to stand up at this point and really put
1:05:06
their foot down. Sounds like I'm with it.
1:05:11
Yeah, sounds. Like we're in agreement, so
1:05:13
let's turn the heat up. Let me run this down and then
1:05:15
we'll turn the heat up and get to the next hard part of the
1:05:18
conversation. All right, here's our 10
1:05:21
subliminal institutionalized trip of the brain.
1:05:23
You can't bring me down. I want more Pledge of
1:05:25
Allegiance. If I don't wake up war inside my
1:05:28
head. Send me your money.
1:05:29
Go and breakdown RN. I got to I'm not going to lie
1:05:33
man, send me your money making it makes me so happy.
1:05:37
Like the fact that I didn't have to use a final say to to to make
1:05:41
that happen really makes me happy.
1:05:45
It feels like this is A1A1 BI mean, you know, maybe somebody's
1:05:50
got something else up their sleeves.
1:05:52
Which one do you think is the one?
1:05:54
Corey I. Think it's got to be
1:05:59
institutionalized, right? I mean, that's that's where my
1:06:04
brain goes anyway. It's not if I'm going to turn
1:06:06
them on. If I were to pick one song and
1:06:08
be like, this is the one that I'm going to play, gun to my
1:06:11
head, that probably wouldn't be the first one I would go to.
1:06:15
It would be on the Rushmore. But I feel like that's the one
1:06:18
though. What do you think?
1:06:20
Christian Oh, there's there's two and it feels like, you know,
1:06:26
like, what do they call it? You know, like a theatre mask
1:06:30
when there's one, there's two side two faces.
1:06:32
Yeah, I can't remember what they call it Juno mask or something
1:06:36
like that. It's institutionalized on one
1:06:38
side and it's you can't bring me down on the other.
1:06:42
Oh, yeah. And it's it's the, it's the,
1:06:46
it's the the punk, the the young upstarts, the, you know,
1:06:52
disruptors versus the kind of later, you know, accomplished
1:06:58
musicians, the thrash, the the massive anthemic song, you know,
1:07:05
haven't even mentioned Rocky George, who is phenomenal
1:07:08
guitarist. It's those two and I, I, you
1:07:15
know, I think you can make an argument for either it, you
1:07:20
know, because it, it's the two sides of the band.
1:07:22
It's, you know, it's, it's the first song from this 10.
1:07:27
Sorry. It's the first album from this
1:07:28
10 versus the last album from this 10.
1:07:31
And it, it tells the story and it's really difficult to pick.
1:07:34
If I was to say to somebody, listen to this one song to know
1:07:38
whether you like Suicidal Tendencies, I'd have a real hard
1:07:41
time picking which one of those. I'll say.
1:07:46
That that's all I can say. I'm on the fence I.
1:07:50
Yeah. So my 1A1B was institutionalized
1:07:54
and subliminal. So I mean we've all got
1:07:57
institutionalized on our list. So I mean we could take the easy
1:08:00
way out here. But here's another thing I'll
1:08:02
add is sometimes you kind of put forward the one song and you
1:08:07
kind of worry about, oh, you know, the the end of year is, is
1:08:11
somebody going to Papoo that because it's the song that
1:08:14
everybody knows. Yeah, maybe maybe everybody
1:08:19
knows institutionalized, but also maybe they don't like we're
1:08:23
talking about 1983 here, right? It's it isn't it isn't a
1:08:28
guarantee that people have heard institutionalized.
1:08:33
So there's that. And also it just rips like it's
1:08:37
just, it's just good. And sometimes, like I said.
1:08:42
Tonight it's it's it's like nothing else.
1:08:44
Yeah, it's like nothing else. And I.
1:08:46
Sometimes, you know, sometimes I like to use the number one as a
1:08:50
chance to go, hey, man, remember this song, You should listen to
1:08:54
it again. And I feel like
1:08:57
institutionalized possibly maybe one of those songs that people
1:09:00
have either forgotten or should just revisit or is the one that
1:09:08
that really, hey, you've never heard of this band.
1:09:11
Hey, check this out. This is this is cool.
1:09:13
They do a lot of different things in it.
1:09:15
And plus, Hey, man, we we already mentioned this.
1:09:17
Fred Durst got a lyric from it. So some people would call that a
1:09:22
plus. I call it a plus.
1:09:23
Why not? I look, I, I feel like it was on
1:09:29
all three of our lists. We got to go with
1:09:31
institutionalized. I don't think there's a wrong
1:09:33
answer here, but I I do think like that's the most right we're
1:09:37
going to be is. As you were talking through
1:09:40
that, as you were talking through that, I was thinking how
1:09:42
much I like this. This this past year's best of
1:09:46
was the first one that I listened to and I I had an
1:09:50
absolute blast, thoroughly enjoyed listening to it.
1:09:53
And I was just thinking, if I listen to next year's and
1:09:57
institutionalized kind of makes it into like the top, top 10 or
1:10:02
whatever, I'll be absolutely pumped.
1:10:04
So, and I think it's probably got a better chance of standing
1:10:08
out as being as pricking people's ears up.
1:10:11
Then you can't bring my other choice would be you can't bring
1:10:13
me down, which might just be dismissed as kind of just, you
1:10:16
know, if it's if you've not heard before, just another
1:10:18
thrash song and you know, it's not.
1:10:20
But I definitely think institutionalized will make
1:10:23
people sit up and and take notice.
1:10:24
So that kind of you've sold me. There we go.
1:10:30
So let's do it. Let's lock in institutionalized.
1:10:32
I'll get it going underneath us. I'll run down this list one last
1:10:35
go and we'll get on out of here. So institutionalized is going to
1:10:39
be our number one and subliminal trip at the brain.
1:10:45
You can't bring me down. I want more.
1:10:47
Pledge your leads LED your allegiance.
1:10:49
I don't know what it is about the word allegiance today.
1:10:51
I can't say it if I don't wake up war inside my head.
1:10:54
Send me your money and go and breakdown rounds out our 10.
1:10:58
Beautifully done. And with that, let's let
1:11:01
institutionalized get a moment in the sun and like, maybe you
1:11:06
should talk about it. You'll feel a lot better.
1:11:08
I go, no, it's OK. You know, I'll figure it out.
1:11:10
Just leave me alone. I'll figure it out.
1:11:14
You know, I'll just work. Just so good there we go
1:11:19
institutionalized and we're not going to be institutionalized.
1:11:23
I mean, maybe we could maybe we are crazy for like trying to
1:11:25
make lists of of bands that people can yell at, yell at us
1:11:29
about. But you know, we did it and
1:11:32
we've turned you on to Suicidal tendencies and for that you're
1:11:34
very welcome. I'm.
1:11:36
Going to go and get a Pepsi. Just one.
1:11:38
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1:11:43
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We're the Legion's stupid. You should be able to search
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this up. If not, ask for a link and I'll
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get you that link and you can come join in.
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We grow trees in there and I literally mean we're growing a
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digital tree in one of the channels.
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You can count in there. There's a counting channel
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that's fun. There's also the D Program
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channel where you can come in and talk about episodes, but
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underneath that there's the Music League, which is a lot of
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fun. Even though I never win, I'm
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very bad at it. I try not to be sour about it.
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Sometimes I'm sour about it, sorry.
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And then there's also the Find Finding Panelists channel
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underneath that, which is exactly how it sounds.
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Hey, I want to come on the show. This is a band I'd like to talk
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about. Does anybody else want to do it?
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And a lot of episodes come together that way nowadays.
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So hop in there and tell me what you want to talk about.
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And that's one way to sign up for the show.
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The best way, though, you can help me is by telling somebody
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that you listen. Hey, I listen to Deprogrammed
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and you should too. And with that suicidal tendency
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tendencies, God, man, I can't talk today.
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Learn and love them people. We'll see you next week.