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L62 A Life of Paranormal Strangeness with Jessica Haley · The Eye of Jupiter Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hey guys, it is me tom This episode we had
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  Speaker 1: on Jessica Hayley. She kind of jumped in for me,
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  Speaker 1: helped me out. She was awesome. She did a great job.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you Jessica for coming on to give you a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of like you know, foreshattwing foreshadowing of what
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  Speaker 1: comes in this episode is. She is from Baltimore, grew
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  Speaker 1: up in Texas and her parents bought a house when
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  Speaker 1: she was twelve and it was really weird. A lot
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  Speaker 1: of strange things started happening. Even the family was weirded
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  Speaker 1: out by it, and you know, but they kind of,
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  Speaker 1: you know, shut it off. But she was getting just
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  Speaker 1: incredible things happening. Something also chased her, some cryptid We're
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  Speaker 1: not quite sure what it was. It's it's it's a lot.
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  Speaker 1: It's a lot in this episode. But it's a very
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  Speaker 1: good episode. And thank you so much for coming in
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  Speaker 1: and speaking with me today, Jessica. I found out about
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  Speaker 1: for coming on. I appreciate it so very much, no problem.
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  Speaker 1: So I seen you over on Tommy's episode. Here we go,
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  Speaker 1: there we have. We have some as saying hello, welcome Jessica.
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  Speaker 1: all that good stuff. So I've seen you over on
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  Speaker 1: I think your episode dropped like a week ago, two weeks.
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  Speaker 2: Ago, over about two weeks ago.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was with Tommy call him. I found
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  Speaker 1: your I honestly did find your your stories. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: get too much into them. I just kind of leaned
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  Speaker 1: and you know, because I want to experience what you're
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  Speaker 1: saying to me as you say it that way. It's
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  Speaker 1: not forced or I'm just oh yeah, I've heard this,
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  Speaker 1: and so I kind of like, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: I really enjoy listening to people's experiences for the first time.
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  Speaker 1: And you come on today, tell us a little bit
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  Speaker 1: about yourself, and you know, you know where did it
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  Speaker 1: solve them begin for you?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I grew up mostly in Texas in the country,
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  Speaker 2: and I kind of have some mediumship abilities. They're a
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  Speaker 2: little bit unpracticed. I'm starting to get into practicing them
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  Speaker 2: more and discovering what they can do. But as a kid,
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  Speaker 2: I just, you know, had a lot of strange things happen.
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  Speaker 2: Like I used to see what I thought were people
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  Speaker 2: standing over my bed. I think they were actually my
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  Speaker 2: spear guides. Maybe now I'm not sure, But I kind
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  Speaker 2: of have always been a part of the world since
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  Speaker 2: I was, like since I as long as I can remember. Really,
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  Speaker 2: I used to live outside of Dallas, and this is
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  Speaker 2: kind of where it started, was seeing things in my
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  Speaker 2: house and being able to actually learned how to lucid
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  Speaker 2: dream at like the age of six.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, that's quite right.
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  Speaker 2: We started accidentally astral projecting by eight years old.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So it's always kind of been so so Like,
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  Speaker 1: so what you were experiencing as a young child wasn't
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  Speaker 1: matching up with your other with your friends experiences, so
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  Speaker 1: it kind of like you were like, I'm different.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I was a weirdo. Yeah, I didn't have a
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  Speaker 2: lot of friends.
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  Speaker 1: All its weird.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I didn't really understand what any of it was
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  Speaker 2: until I got older. But as I got into my teenagers,
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  Speaker 2: my parents built a house on a lake, and this
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  Speaker 2: house turned out to be like they call it the
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  Speaker 2: Demon House. It was like insanely haunted. It was like
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  Speaker 2: another level of haunting. Honestly, I lived there for five
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  Speaker 2: years and realized that I could. This is when I
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  Speaker 2: really really understood that I could see things and hear
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  Speaker 2: things that other people could not, Because I was like,
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  Speaker 2: how are y'all not seeing this? I don't understand why,
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  Speaker 2: Like my parents weren't seeing like the people walking around
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  Speaker 2: and like talking to them, and I was just like,
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  Speaker 2: I f how crazy living there? Honestly, we had.
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  Speaker 1: How long did you live there for?
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  Speaker 2: We lived there for five years long enough, long enough,
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  Speaker 2: and actually we did move in the end because it
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  Speaker 2: was so haunted. We ended up selling it to somebody else,
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  Speaker 2: and they haven't been able to sell the house for
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  Speaker 2: the last seven years. It's been on and off the market.
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  Speaker 2: They tried to use it as a vacation rental too.
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  Speaker 1: And you you you so you went into like what
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  Speaker 1: is it a what's the name of the website? I
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  Speaker 1: can't think of it as you SPI a website you
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  Speaker 1: can like look up houses and stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I saw something about it, like because I
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  Speaker 2: was looking for a house and I saw something about
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  Speaker 2: it because it popped up under like areas I was
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  Speaker 2: looking before. I was like, no way, this house wasn't
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  Speaker 2: for sale. And I looked at the pictures. I was like,
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  Speaker 2: it looks exactly the same, Like nobody changed the thing.
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  Speaker 2: It was crazy. And this was like twenty years ago.
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  Speaker 1: That's weird.
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  Speaker 2: And they have never been able to sell it ever.
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  Speaker 2: They kept trying to put it on the market, take
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  Speaker 2: it off the market, lower the price.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I actually looked up the I actually looked up
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  Speaker 1: with the d Amityville Horror House in Amityville, New York,
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  Speaker 1: and like they have those iconic half or the quarter
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  Speaker 1: circle windows and they changed that and did all and
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  Speaker 1: like and it's just strange, you know, you would think that,
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  Speaker 1: like you know that they would keep it the same
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  Speaker 1: way because of it's it's it's you know, it's mysteriousness
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  Speaker 1: about it. But I don't know it just it just
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  Speaker 1: you spark something in my head when you said they
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  Speaker 1: haven't changed anything.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like, if you live in an iconically haunted house,
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  Speaker 2: you might want to change it so that people don't
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  Speaker 2: bother you all the time. Maybe they don't recognize it now.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but they know the address. It's like eleven Ocean
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  Speaker 1: Avenue or something like that.
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  Speaker 2: They changed the street name actually because they were getting
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  Speaker 2: so much trouble, so it used to be on Ocean Avenue.
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  Speaker 2: I forgot what they changed it too.
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  Speaker 1: Also, you actually know a lot. Okay, this is so
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  Speaker 1: this is also a very because of the experiences. It's
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  Speaker 1: like an interest of yours.
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  Speaker 2: I did start getting into it quite a bit after
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  Speaker 2: I realized that I could see these things, and I
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  Speaker 2: just wanted to know more about everything. Yeah, I know
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  Speaker 2: quite a lot about the different haunted locations and what's
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  Speaker 2: there and who's been there, and like just history, especially
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  Speaker 2: about where I live now. Lots lots of information.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we'll get it at a little bit. It's
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  Speaker 1: very interesting that we'll get to there in a second.
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  Speaker 1: So tell me about this house. What kind of experiences
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  Speaker 1: were you having?
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  Speaker 2: Ooh, I would hallucinate sometimes, like you would see things
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  Speaker 2: that weren't real. They were just completely like placed in
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  Speaker 2: your mind. Things would move. An example, so one time
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  Speaker 2: I was sleeping on my bed. I had a bunk
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  Speaker 2: bed at the time, and I saw like this pink
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  Speaker 2: plastic thing fly off the top bunk and like clunk
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  Speaker 2: all over the floor, like clok cloklok. Look look look click,
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  Speaker 2: look look, And I'm like, what is that. I don't
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  Speaker 2: have anything like that. And then I I got up
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  Speaker 2: and I didn't see anything. It just didn't exist. It
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  Speaker 2: wasn't real completely, it was not a real thing. Because
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  Speaker 2: I lived in a small room with a tile floor.
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  Speaker 2: I looked around the bed, underneath the bed, next to
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  Speaker 2: the bed. Nothing.
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  Speaker 1: How old were you know all this happened. How old
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  Speaker 1: were when it started happening?
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  Speaker 2: When it started, I was probably about twelve. That's when
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  Speaker 2: we moved.
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  Speaker 1: There, okay, And so you heard it as well as
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  Speaker 1: seeing it, and then what you like, blink your eyes
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  Speaker 1: and open back up again, and it was no longer there.
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  Speaker 2: No. I got right up, got right out of bed
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  Speaker 2: because I was confused. I didn't understand what fell off
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  Speaker 2: the top. I couldn't figure it out. I never found
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  Speaker 2: anything on the floor at all.
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  Speaker 1: You were in this room by yourself, okay, and you
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  Speaker 1: said your sister was experience high to hey, what's up, Tim,
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  Speaker 1: And you said your your sister was experiencing things too.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, my sister was very young when we lived here.
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  Speaker 2: She's about ten years younger than me. So she started
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  Speaker 2: her room was across the hall from mine. She started
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  Speaker 2: seeing things that like infancy. She woke up when she
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  Speaker 2: was like a year old, crying saying there was somebody
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  Speaker 2: standing at the edge of her bed, just saying boo.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, no, that's terrifying. As we both got older,
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  Speaker 2: it got worse. She used to come and sleep in
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  Speaker 2: my room and then realized my room was really scary,
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  Speaker 2: and then decided not to sleep in my room anymore.
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  Speaker 2: On the floor of her parents, my room was really scary.
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't want to sleep in there either. Actually I
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  Speaker 2: used to sneak out and sleep on the boat house
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  Speaker 2: because we lived on a lake.
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  Speaker 1: Oh okay, just like the Avenueville All right, very less scary.
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  Speaker 2: I'll take the thousands of spiders over whatever was in
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  Speaker 2: my room.
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  Speaker 1: So, okay, what was in your room?
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  Speaker 2: So I had a TV and a rocking chair that
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  Speaker 2: I both had to get rid of because the rocking
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  Speaker 2: chair would just keep rocking, just keep rocking, just like constantly.
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  Speaker 2: They just never stopped rocking. So I just liked cent
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  Speaker 2: my room. The TV kept turning on. And this was
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  Speaker 2: like back when like the bunny ear thing was a
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  Speaker 2: thing and you had to have you had like static
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  Speaker 2: that you had to try to like change into a
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  Speaker 2: channel that you could actually see through the static enough,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: Wait a minute, how old are you.
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  Speaker 2: I'm in my mid thirties.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, okay, okay, I'm in my mid forties. Okay, I remember, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I remember we got okay that we could break through.
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  Speaker 1: We uh, you're born in Baltimore and raised in Texas.
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  Speaker 1: I'm born and raised in Baltimore, and we got I
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  Speaker 1: remember we got cable television. No, yeah, cable television in
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  Speaker 1: nineteen eighty eight.
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  Speaker 2: Where I was from in Texas was very very rural, okay.
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  Speaker 2: And everything that y'all got everywhere else, we didn't get
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  Speaker 2: for a much longer time because like I graduated in
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  Speaker 2: two thousand and nine, and nobody even had cell phones
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  Speaker 2: because there was no cell phone towers any anywhere. We
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  Speaker 2: still used payphones in two thousand, Okay, all right, So
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  Speaker 2: we still had the tube TVs with the little Bunny
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  Speaker 2: years on them when I was in high school. In
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  Speaker 2: middle school take.
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  Speaker 1: The elumit of full and crimping on the top.
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  Speaker 2: We used to try to like hold it just right
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  Speaker 2: and just stand there for a minute, just to watch
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  Speaker 2: the end of an episode. Like So, I grew up
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  Speaker 2: on like the CW or whatever WB network at the time,
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  Speaker 2: because that's like the only channel that would come in. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but the TV would randomly come on and the static
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  Speaker 2: started like taking shapes and having you could hear voices
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  Speaker 2: through the TV, and it scared. It did it often,
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  Speaker 2: so it scared me so bad. I just took the
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  Speaker 2: whole TV out of my room. I was like, nope.
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  Speaker 2: I also covered all my mirrors and I started listening
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  Speaker 2: to music as I went to sleep, because I would
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  Speaker 2: always hear talking, like they would call my name a
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  Speaker 2: whole bunch. They would actually even pull the covers off
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  Speaker 2: of me if I wasn't paying attention at all. They
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  Speaker 2: would be like, why aren't you listening, and just like
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  Speaker 2: take the covers. One time, it went even as far
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  Speaker 2: as I'm grabbing my ankles and pulling me all the
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  Speaker 2: way out of the bed and halfway down the hall.
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  Speaker 1: So that was, Yeah, you were experiencing a lot at
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  Speaker 1: a young age of twelve.
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  Speaker 2: It was pretty extreme. This was a very intense haunting.
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  Speaker 2: Like my sister and I joke about it all the
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  Speaker 2: time because like we see like the stuff on TV
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  Speaker 2: and we're like, that's nothing. That's nothing like ours was
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  Speaker 2: so much worse.
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  Speaker 1: And this was a newer house or an older house.
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  Speaker 2: They built the house.
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  Speaker 1: They built the house on.
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  Speaker 2: This property, Yes, had a very dark and mysterious history
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  Speaker 2: that I found out about later after I moved, because
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  Speaker 2: I was just so curious as to why it was
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  Speaker 2: so haunted. You know, I'm like why, I don't understand
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  Speaker 2: they built it. You know, it's not just that like
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  Speaker 2: the house, the land itself was haunted. So I mean
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  Speaker 2: even the neighbors had problems, but not as bad as ours.
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  Speaker 2: We seem to be like the middle of it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, can you tell me about the stories of the area.
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  Speaker 2: So there used to be a different town there that
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  Speaker 2: I actually had to do extensive research on to find
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  Speaker 2: even the name of it on a map I have
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  Speaker 2: written down. But the point is it was extremely difficult
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  Speaker 2: to find, and so they flooded this town and made
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  Speaker 2: it into a lake for tourism.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, and they never got rid.
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  Speaker 2: Of any of the buildings. And I know this because
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  Speaker 2: we used to take the boat out and we had
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  Speaker 2: like a fish doppler, if you know what that is,
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  Speaker 2: and it shows you like the fish and the structures
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  Speaker 2: and used to see like all like the actual buildings underground,
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  Speaker 2: like the sonar thing.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, a fishfinder.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the fishfinder found some buildings though, like structures.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, that's a very common thing. I'd imagine there's some
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  Speaker 1: cemeteries under there too. I mean, there's a.
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  Speaker 2: Lot of stuff over there. We also lived where it
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  Speaker 2: wasn't there anymore, but it used to be like a
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  Speaker 2: historical site, like a Civil War marker where like one
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  Speaker 2: of the battles between like the Native Americans and the
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  Speaker 2: Confederate Army took place. But it was no longer there
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: and there's no where like we didn't know exactly where
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: it was, but we estimated it was within a mile
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: of where we lived.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: And Darren Wrights, it sounds like Smith Lake is a
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: Smith Lake. No, okay, So all right, so you don't
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: have to tell us. We'll keep getting there's more hold
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: on yet we got I'm sure, I'm sure there's more.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So I couldn't find any like actual evidence of this,
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: but the locals have told me that the lake itself
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: where the town was built, that was a natural crater
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: that was created when a meteor hit the earth like
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: thousands of years ago, Like it was from like a
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: meteor crater.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: That's interesting.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: So that's pretty crazy. And they told me that the
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: Native American tribes that lived out there were ran out
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: and that they cursed the land specifically so that no
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: white man may ever live there.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: And I was told that by my Native American friends
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: that lived nearby and went to school with me, because
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: I told them that I lived and they were like,
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: that's a bad area like that.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so you're telling me something about like you know, like.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: I believe them because we used to wander through the
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: woods a lot, and I have actually seen like artifacts
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: and arrowheads and all sorts of stuff, like all kinds
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: of stuff around the house across the street from the house. Yeah,
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: so I completely believed that it used to be like
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: a Native American like tribal like land. So thankfully we
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: didn't stay there long.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because with the with the moving of people, you know,
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: regardless of they mean the Native Americans settlers, you're when
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: you're talking to me. I watched an episode of Small
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: Town Monsters about the land between the Lakes and how
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: that also was like families were forced out and a
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: lot of cemeteries were like under you know, some are
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: most likely underwater, and that's the things they're seeing there too.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: I would love to know where this is. You can
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: tell me off camera. I would like to know where
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: this is and see if I can find more people
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: from that area, even maybe some natives.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: But yeah, definitely, Like I mean, I've been research for years.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: Like I literally had to talk to people that have
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: just lived there their whole lives and their parents lived
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: their their whole lives. Like that's the best information I've
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: gotten so far.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: Wow. Wow.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: My best friend her parents have lived out there, grandparents
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: lived out there. They're like fifth generation, so they can
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: they know a lot. I got a lot of stuff
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: from them.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: Okay, Uh, tell me a little bit about your mediumship,
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: of your your abilities that you've said are starting to awaken,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: that have been awakening you through time, and that you're
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: starting to realize. Tell me a little bit about that.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: So over time I realized I could do this. Randomly.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: I would meet somebody and I would see some like
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: something with them, like an attachment or like a person
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: that's with them, And most of the time I try
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: to ignore it, but every now and then I'm very
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: compelled to tell them something. Like where I used to work,
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: people thought I was crazy, I swear, but like this one,
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: this one kid was going through a really rough time
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: and I saw that, like I assumed it was his
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: grandmother that was with him, and she kept like trying
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: to get my attention, like waving around and like yelling
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: at me, and I was like, oh my gosh, okay,
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: what do you want? So I had to sit him down,
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: and it was weird because I was his manager and
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: he's like sixteen. I was like, let's just gently ease
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: you into this, okay. So I had to explain to
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: him that I could like kind of seeg some stuff
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: and like, I think that his grandmother, like Nanda's with him,
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: that she has something really important to say. And at first,
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: of course, he was really skeptical because why wouldn't he be,
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: And then she started showing me in images of memories
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: with them. Together, and one stood out to me where
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: he was like he really liked her cat. I was like, oh, yeah,
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: I used to play with her cat all the time.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: She had a black cat. And he just like just
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: completely froze and like started crying. He was like, how
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: did you know that? How did you know that she
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: had a black cat? I was like, she showed it
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: to me. So then he was on board. Then he
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: believed me, and he's like, what does she have to
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: tell me? And I said, this is apparently very important.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: She told me to tell you that you need to
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: go and see your doctor right away, and so he
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: took Yeah, he took that very seriously. He had really
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: bad anger issues, and so he made an appointment and
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: he went to his doctor, and his doctor said that
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: he was so unhealthy that he was basically like going
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: to have a heart attack any single day, Like his
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: whole heart was clogged up, and he was only like
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: sixteen or seventeen.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: So because of that, he actually like took his health
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: seriously and like got his life on track and like
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: started you know, seeing like a nutrition specialist, like getting
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: better exercise, seeing like a anger management therapist, and like
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: it was literally all because his grandmother told me to
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: tell him to go to the doctor.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: Did you still have with this person?
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: I don't, unfortunately, he I mean, I don't work there anymore,
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: and he's probably doesn't live out here anymore.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: Just some what I'm met. It's like the like you know,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: if there's any updates on his life or things like that,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: Like you know, like if you've made a positive change
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: for someone because of your abilities, I think that's incredible.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: And the last one I heard from him, he was
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: going off to college I think in North Carolina. So
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: I think that's probably why he is now, because that
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: wasn't that long ago. I think a few instances like
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: that that were just super random that I could not
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: say something like I was like, oh. Like also, at
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: my last job, one of the managers that his son
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: was going through something really dark and like serious, and
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: he's like, we've taken him to therapy, Like we don't
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: understand what's going on with him. He just like acts
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: like a different person and we don't understand what it is.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: And he showed me a picture of his son, and
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: in the picture I saw that there was like something
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: really dark looming over him, like touching him like a
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: dark attachment, and I was like, ooh, I should really
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: tell him about that. So I sat him down and
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: I tried to ease him in, and I was like,
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: do you believe in like anything like paranormal supernatural? Like
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: what do you? Are you cool with this? So I
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: told him what I saw in the picture and he's like, well,
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: what do I do? And I'm like, well, I don't
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: really know. I just can tell you what I saw.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: I was like, you might address it, command it to leave.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: You're like the man of the house, like just force
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: it out of his room. Maybe just like try that?
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: And he said he did. He said they he tried
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: to do that, and then like within a week his
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: son was like back to normal. He was like, I
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: don't I don't know if I ever really truly believed
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: in this stuff, but I think I do now. I'm like, okay,
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: that's interesting.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: So during this whole let's go back to the house
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: in Texas that you grew up in. So during this
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: whole situation, and do your parents were experiencing things as well?
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: They were, but you know, as adults they try to
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: brush it off.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: Mhm.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: Like one time, I remember we were all sitting around
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: the dining room table, playing like a board game on
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: a Sunday or something when it was raining, and like
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: my mom's glass just like right onto the table and
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: she just you know, got up and cleaned it up
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: and refilled it and brought it back and then and
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: then it went like and like smashed against the wall.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: I all just looked at each other like, hmm, I
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: don't think we should play this any longer, Like, I
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: guess the game is over.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: I'll just with this away for now, Okay. So when
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: they decided to sell this house, did they They they
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: did it because they just wanted to move on, or
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: it's because they knew it was haunted.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: To be honest, it started to become quite dangerous towards
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: the end. Whatever was in there was actually like physically
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: attacking us and moving things around and manipulating our thoughts
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: in like a negative way. Like one of the scariest
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: things that happened with me, Like my sister was only
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: like three or four. My mom went to the store
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: one time with my sister, and I saw my sister
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: in the backyard wandering around looking for her mom, who
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: she said she saw walk into the lake. WHOA, I said,
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: Mom's at the store with you, and I was so scared.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, okay, we're gonna go back in
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: the house and we're just gonna be calm. Mom came
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: home all friend because she couldn't. She said she got
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: in the car with her and then when she got home,
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: she wasn't in the car and she doesn't understand how
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: it happened. And then she got in the house and
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: saw her in the house just absolutely like lost it.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: She was like, I think I need to go lie
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: down because I really thought that she saw her kid
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: with her, but she was never with her, just like
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: my sister thought that her mom was with her, but
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: she was never with her.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: So she just brushed that all that is. That is
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: All the last things that I think we moved within
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: like two weeks of that, last things that happened.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Crazy, Look, everyone's freaking out. That is so insane.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: My mom also used to sleep walk a lot, and
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: she would break furniture and stuff in her sleep, break dishes,
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: step on it, cut herself with it, laid back down.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: Woa wood mm hmm.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: She broke a lamp on time and just walked all
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: over it like on purpose and then went back to
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: bed and I saw it and I was like, do
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: I wake her up? Like, I don't know what to do.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: So so from the time you were twelve until you
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: were seventeen, that's five years I'm doing doing some math
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: o here. So okay, now, uh, there's another reason you
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: just it kind of showed up on Tommy Show, which
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: got me interested. Now you had a possible dog man encounter.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: Could you maybe go into that a little bit.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: Same house lived out there, used to go walking in
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: the woods all the time. Mam always warned me of animals.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: We used to see different things out there, so like
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: this was an area that was heavily populated with wildlife,
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: so we had like bobcats, mountain lions, coyotes. I never
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: saw a wolf, but there was something else that I
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: saw one time that I really didn't recognize or could explain.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: And it almost looked like a coyote kind of, but
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: it was really really tall, like really tall, and its
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: legs were like abnormally long for the body. And my
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: husband was like, you just saw a long leg coyote.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: I was like, no, I've seen pictures of those. This
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: is not what that was.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: It was like, and you met your husband in Texas.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: No up here, but I've told him my stories, which
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: I think he half believes. But it's okay, okay. So
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: the first time I realized what it was, it was
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: like next to my car. I was driving from my
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: friend's house I had been living there forever to like
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: another friend's house, and it was like the middle of
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: the night, and I just saw this thing pop out
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: of like the tree line next to me, and it
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: was literally like seven feet tall, seven feet It was
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: like seven feet it almost went to I don't know
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: what it was. Yeah, I can't tell you what it
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: was because I didn't know.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: I couldn't either. But at the same time, I've never
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: say if it is a dog man, I've never heard
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: one like that. I've heard him being seven feet tall
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: standing out on two legs, but never on.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: So it was basically like eye level with me in
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: the ditch, which doesn't make sense, huh.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: The body was really small compared to the legs, like,
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: and it had a really like kind of small head,
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: but like the teeth were really large, Like I could
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: actually see the teeth they like overlapped.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Jim from Knight's Watch frights like the wolf that showed
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: up on Skinwalker Ranch.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: You know what, everybody says it was a skin walker,
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: but I've never seen one except for that, so I
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: didn't know if that's what that was or not. But like,
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: I'm not the only one that's seen it. I've talked
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: to other people, but they always called it like the
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: cheop oficabra, And I was like, but isn't it chepicabra
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: like a goat sucker because none of the people around
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: had like any like slaughtered animals.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: It's like what it does, but he's in a chup oficabra.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever heard one that's that's that large.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever heard one that is large.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: That's what they always think it is because that's what
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: they hear. So like, I've talked to people who have
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: seen it out there a few times and they're like, yeah,
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: there's this like huge like wolf like thing, and I'm like, no,
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: I think that the choop of kabra is supposed to
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: be like large like that. I think that they're smaller.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: Wow, what happened? What happened? When you've seen it?
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: To be honest, I wish I had a camera.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: I did, we all do.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: I did have a phone. I was actually on the
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: phone with my friend that I was going to their house,
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: and I freaked. I was freaking out with I was
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: freaking out over the phone. I was like telling them
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: what I was seeing, and they were like, don't slow down,
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: just keep going, like and they stayed. They caught up,
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: like they were kind of running along with my car
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: for like a solid like thirty seconds and I was
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: probably going like fifty, so that's pretty fast.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: It really freaked me out, and like it just kept
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: looking at me and then running and looking at me,
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: and then eventually it just went right back into the trees.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: And I was like by the time I got to
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: my friend's house, I was like, please meet me outside.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: I don't even want to get out.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: I don't like what do you mean by running and
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: looking at you? Like it would run up beside you
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: and on the on the driver's side wind window.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: Or passenger side, Yeah, from it would look through it
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: was looking directly at me, like.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: It was running through the ditch.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And it's like pitch black outside too, so like
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: this was basically from just the moonlight that I could
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: see it because they didn't have street lights or anything
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: out there, and I could see it pretty clearly. Still.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: It was like a silvery color and it looked like
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: it maybe didn't even have fur, Like it was like
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: just the shape, like I don't know's.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: Weird if you guys any suggestions on the side what
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: that might be, because that sounds it has like crawler
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: feel to it, like the skin like a crawler. But
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: then you say it has like a wolf like head.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: So it's like it.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: Looked almost like it looked I think it looked more
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: like a coyote maybe, but like very woolfy like kind
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: of snout, but it didn't have a lot of fur.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: It didn't seem like it did anyway, Like I really
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: do wish I could have taken a picture of it.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: Knowing fifty miles an hour and I chased you for
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: thirty seconds, that's that's easily a couple of hundred yards easily.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, it's very memorable.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: Clearly i'd imagine, yes, that's something that you're not gonna
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: but you can't bring this kind of stuff up, like
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: you know, like Thanksgiving dinner or something like. But you
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: know this one time, Jerry let me tell you something
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: and you just can't do that. So, like, who have
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: you been able to tell these kind of things too
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: without people, like, you know, giving their steak.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: My siblings and the people that live in that area
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: talked about it just to see if they've seen anything.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: A lot of them have so, but they all kind
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: of say something slightly different. But I don't know if
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: it's the same thing or not. My friend told me
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: that one time she thought she saw a coyote in
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: her yard, but that it was like much taller than
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: the picnic table, which doesn't make sense because we.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: Are we talking about the picnic tables with the ones
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: that are attached to the table itself where it's like
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: on board.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah okay, yeah, she said it was much taller than
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: the picnic table. They don't get that big.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: No, no, they don't. Then I don't get that big. Yeah,
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: So I'm always interested. You're actually guys, she is from
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: the town I'm from. Uh, she's from Baltimore area, and
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: uh you were, And that's interesting because you know we
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: have Uh there's a I think it's called the Devil's
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: House that's in Potapsco State Park. I don't know if
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: you've ever been to Papsco State Park.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: I have, and I didn't know that was the thing,
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: but I've only been there once.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: Okay, when you go to Tapsco State Park, if you
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: ever go down to I don't know what it looks
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: like now, you used to be called Browder's Dam. It
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: doesn't exist there anymore. It's where the old paper mill.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: I don't know if that's still there either. I haven't
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: been in ten years. I have heard of that, Okay, Well,
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: it's for a paper mill. There's there's a bridge that
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: goes over to the Tasco River, and at the same
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: time there's a bridge that goes over from the railroad tunnel.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: So there's a railroad, the bridge, and the paper mill,
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: the river all right there. And if you look up
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: to the right there there's an old parking lot. If
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: you go up the hill to the top, there's old
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: like a sanitarium there. And if you go up there,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: it's called the Hell House. That's what it's called now,
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: I remember. That's the actual the name of the in
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: the area.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: I've been there like twenty minutes away. I'm gonna have
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: to look a weekend thing.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And then if you go up there, the house
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: is kind of destroyed, but there's an old road that
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: goes along the ridge line there. It's an old ridge line.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: So to the right will be the Taska River with
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: the out line, and then the left will be a
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: valley or whatever. And if you go a little father
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: in there, you'll run into a cemetery with a big
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: black cross in it. So have yourself a good time
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: up there. And he used to be, like, you know,
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: when I was in high school. I used to go
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: to Caytonstville High School. That's where I graduated from, which
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: is literally like ten minutes from there. It's not even
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: that far. Yeah, yeah, And so I always like to
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: hear about like interesting things in the area. And you
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: were talking about Reister's town. You mentioned something in the
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: groom about Riser's town. I mean, maybe it's not a
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: big part, but I'd love to hear it.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: Not too many experiences since I've been living in Maryland,
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: but I've had a few for sure. So it was
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: probably like ten years ago when I started dating my
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: current husband. He lived in Reserstown and I used to
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: go for walks with him because I like, you know,
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: I just like doing that. And we would go at
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: night because we had weird jobs. So one time we
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: were walking along Reserstown Road and like I just like
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: stopped because I saw this weird thing in the woods
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: and I was like, it's like this lady's like screaming
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: at me, like she's she's scared. And she said that
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: they were just burning everything, like burning her house down,
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: like trying to light her on fire. And I was like,
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: what is that? Because I just assume everybody thinks I'm
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: crazy when they meet me, and I'm when I when
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to find actual relationships with people, I love
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: them thost like very upfront that I can see things
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: and that sometimes I talk about it so that they're
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: not like caught off guard. So we've known each other
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: for like a year by this time, and he was like, okay,
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: so she's not totally crazy, I don't think. And he
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: told me that, yeah, actually.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Your husband's African American too, right.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, now.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: This is not a racial thing. But I grew over
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: you know, Baltimore, we have you know, it's you know,
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: it's a prominently African American city, and I just know
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: growing up they don't really like scary stuff. They don't
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: they don't they just they're like, you know, I'm like,
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: if you.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: Had, it'll go away, but that's not really true.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: They they just don't want them to do it, and
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: they're just like yeah, yeah, yeah, it's my wife's stuff.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: Normally, his family's a little different. They're very spiritual and
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: they're very accepting, and they one believe everything I tell
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: them because they're like, yes, makes sense.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: So they've had experiences too.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah with me, Like they now asked me to come
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: in their house or come to their apartment when they
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: get a new place to make sure it's not haunted
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: like anything in here. I'm like, oh, yeah, somebody like
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: had a heart attack in the kitchen.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: Though, Like, dude, you should be a real estate agent, Dude,
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: you'd be like this, this this house is completely clear.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: Trust me. I went through everything.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: Because like my aunt and uncle just bought like a
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: house in Middle River, and she actually asked me to
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: come in and like check it out, and I did,
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: and I told I told her that I was like,
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: I was like, this guy literally had a heart attack.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: It started in the kitchen. He tried to walk into
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: the closet for something and then he died at the threshold.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: And she just stared at me. I was like, why
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: are you staring at me that? Like that was disclosed
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: when we bought the house and we knew that already.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: Who I just wanted to see if you knew it.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: Oh, all right, So what's the purpose? Okay, let me
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: ask you a question. What was your purpose of coming
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: on these podcasts to reach out to a wider community
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: of people like yourself and then run into people like yourself?
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I love connecting with people. I really
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: have no agenda, Like it doesn't seem.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: So everyone's really you know, they're saying you're a very
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: sweet person and you're you're helping your families and stuff
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: that they love that. Thank you, Pam. Everyone's just yeah,
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: they're talking about yeah, you've you know, hauntings, and yeah,
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: this is the right place. It's the right place. So
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: that's awesome that you want to come on and share.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: But at the same time, you know there is a
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: lot of people out there that you can reach out to,
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: but be careful. There's always creepers out there, and they
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: take your housband with you. There's always fucking creepy guys.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of those.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: Every time I tell them I'm on a podcast. He's
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: like again, I'm like, I've only done it a couple
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: of times. I just like it. It's kind of fun.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: Well, if you want so, you can talk to me.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: I'll talk to them. Make me feel comfortable. But yeah,
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: so so you're like you should. That's a that's definitely
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: a market that you can get into, like you know,
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: a medium for real estate agents, you know, I mean,
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: like you know you work at like Remax or whatever. Ages.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: Well, we were looking for a house. I actually walked
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: out of this one house because I was like, no, Like,
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: we walked in, we walked and down to the basement,
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: and I just walked right out and the real estate
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: agent was looking at me crazy, and my husband just
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: like apologize on my behalf so that I wasn't feeling well.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: I was like, that wasn't it. That's not why. But
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: thank you?
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: Like have you been you've been to places that are
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: fine too, I'd imagine too, right, Oh yeah, the house.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: To live in now is fine. Okay we ended up buying.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: It's good.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: That's awesome. That's awesome. I mean, so, okay, so you
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: ended up moving to the house never sold, I mean,
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: what else? What else? Is interesting. What else? Like, Okay,
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: because you're you're saying you're coming for what is an
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: experience that is that strikes you as being I mean
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: other than the one where your mom and your sister
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: that that one. I'm still gonna have to digest that
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: one later. Like what other experience have you had that
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: you'd like to share with us?
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: Mmmm? Well, there was another experience I had in Maryland.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: It's a local place called the Hampton House. If you've
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: heard of it now. You can't go in there and
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: say it's haunted. They won't. They won't. They'll be like,
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: that's all fake because they give tours. Right. It's off
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: of Delaney Valley Road.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, Calken lives. Okay.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: So it's a historic home that was owned by the
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: Hampton family and they have this beautiful ground you can
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: walk on with like flowers. It's like a state park.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: So they do get tours inside the house. And when
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: if this wasn't that long ago, it was maybe like
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: six years ago. I stumbled across it, think it's super cool,
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: Like I want to check it out. I went in.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: The guy was new, he was a park ranger. I
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: could tell he was new and he was like, cause
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: he even said and if you've heard it's haunted, don't
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: believe a word of it. I was like, okay. So
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: we started going through the tour and I was the
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: only person there, but he was, you know, he humored me.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: He's like, it's cool, I'll take you like you're here,
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: let's do this. I was like cool. So he started
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: walking through the house and he started telling me all
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: the interesting facts about the different owners and like what
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: the color of the wall meant, and like how having
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: oranges back then was like a sign that you were
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: wealthy or whatever. Okay, and we were in the like
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: the dining room, and then you can hear people talking
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: in the other room, and I was like, he said,
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: hold on just a second. Nobody else is supposed to
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: be in here. So he goes to the other room
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: and he comes back. He goes there was nobody in there.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: I was like, okay, let's just continue the tour or whatever.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: And I was like taking pictures the whole time, because
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: you know, like this place is totally haunted. Like I
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: could tell right away. But I saw this guy go
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: from total skeptic to like, Okay, I think there might
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: actually be ghosts here. A few other things happened while
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: we were walking around. We went upstairs to this really
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: creepy bedroom. It looks like a nursery, and one of
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: the dolls moved.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: Okay, dolls like disembodied voices and dolls moving like dolls
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: scared the living shit out of me. I hate to
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: use that kind of language, but it's just the truth.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: So when you say that, like a little cold children
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: went through, I don't, like it was not okay.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: We actually both like couldn't get out of the room
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: fast enough. We were like stumbling over each other like
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: trying to run through the door. And it was so
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: funny because like once we finally like went our separate ways,
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: he was like white and just like I don't even
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: know what the SAMs are, and like just like left,
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: and I was like, well, thanks for the door. Like
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: I went back and looked at the pictures and you
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: can see something in one of them, like really clearly,
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: and I tried to de bunk it and I couldn't
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: debunk it.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: Well, eventually I would love to see that picture. Maybe
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: you can send it to me over you know, Instagram now.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: Instagram already actually I can send Yeah, so it was
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: really weird. I took a picture in the mirror and
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: it looks like a smoky, misty outline of like a hairline,
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: like standing next to me, And at first I thought
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: it was like a reflection from the cabinet behind me,
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: but they had antique glass and it was wavy and
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: there's no way to get it.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, if you'd like, I could turn
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: it on the Facebook page.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah it's pretty.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, Yeah, it's a good thing that people try
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: to bump things because you know, a lot of these
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: like uh, these ghost Hunter shows, like you know, the
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: Twin Paranormal Eye. I washed it and after a while
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: I just couldn't watch no more. But every two seconds
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: you're like whoa and oh my god. So, you know,
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: I think being it's okay to be, you know, a
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: bit of skepticism, even if you're a person who has
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: the abilities that you have is fine. But you know
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: what I mean that you're still doing that. I think
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: that's also a very admirable thing to be doing.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: It's like you can just go, yeah, you know, I
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: see this, you know, which is burning over here and
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: his dog man.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: But I always do try, Like I mean, I don't
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: want to show it to anybody. If I don't think
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: that it's like legitimate, I'm gonna look stupid.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: So I'd like to hear you go to Fort McHenry.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: I would love to hear you going to Fort McHenry.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: See if you hear anything that you have.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: So I'm almost ashamed. Ad Mythos, my distant family, distant family.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna say it one more time. They were real distant.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: Are actually the people that invaded Fort McHenry, like the
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: part to the British Army, Like the guy's like portrait
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: that's hanging up in there was actually like my like
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: eleventh cousin.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: So Well was like the place it's also very haunted,
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: very haunted, but I wouldn't go down there. My father
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: was telling me. He goes fishing, he goes out by
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: the hospital over it there on it's a harbor harbor hospital,
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: that's where he goes out. But he used to go
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: to Fort Armstead to go out to go fishing and
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: crabbing right there underneath it well where the key bridge
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: used to be. And he was like, that place is
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: super haunted, like like the Fort Armistead, but it's very sketchy,
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: so don't go down there. I wouldn't put you in
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: harm's way. But people don't realize that that Baltimore is
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: a very haunted place, like it's it's got so much hit.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: I work at one of the most haunted places in
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: the probably the whole state. I would say, it's difficult,
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: like that really big old hospital in the middle of
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: the city in the east Side. I want to say
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: the name because oh yeah.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, yeah, we will say the name. I know,
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: I know, I don't want to be jumping around, but no.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: My office is located in the sub basement that used
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: to be a fallout shelter, and the fallout shelter actually
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: predates the rest of the building that I'm in, Like
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: the building that I'm in was building the sixties, with
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: the fallout shelter was from the fifties. So it's very creepy.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: I see stuff all the time outside of my office
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: down the hall, like all the time. I have to
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: just try to ignore it, especially like when I have
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: things going on, like meetings or like I'm with people
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: and I just like distantly look off and like what
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: are you doing. I'm like, don't worry about it. Let's
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: just go.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: You know, how do you deal with this? I mean,
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: you're seeing these things all the time, do you is
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: there do you have like close friends that you can
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: talk to.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: Or do you have do you have some people that
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: I will just openly tell them when I'm saying if
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: I see anything. And then sometimes I just try really
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: hard to ignore it. In the professional setting, it can
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: be challenging. I just try to like meditate a little
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: bit and clear my mind and ignore it the best
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: that I can. One time, my boss was giving me
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: like a tour of meeting spaces and we went to
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: like the old psych hospital that's abandoned that they use
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: just for meetings now they don't use it for anything.
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: And one of the rooms had like a crazy person
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: just like in the corner, like literally crawling at the walls,
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: and it was so freaking scary. And I walked in
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: the room with everybody else and everybody was like, Oh,
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: it's so beautiful in here, and I was like, I
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: gotta go.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: My mother used to work. My mother retired from Spring
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: Grove Hospital. That's where she used to work, and the
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: stuff that she seen from the actual people being there
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: there was a story. She didn't tell me. This was
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: it was a high school because Caytonsville High School was
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: right there, right close to spring growth. And uh, there
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: was a guy in her he thought it was a
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: glass orange juice. It's funny to me. I'm sorry, it's
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: awful things happening to people. But he wouldn't. He would
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: never sleep laying down because he thought he was going
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: to pour out. So you know, it's just yeah, and
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: the things that she would have run across that she was.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: She would never tell me everything, but things that she
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: would see. And my mother, she's you know, she's a mom.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: You know how moms are moms. You know, you throw up,
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: you you do certain things, they just clean it up.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: You know, I love your baby. So she would whatever
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: she would tell me, certain things, it would always stick
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: with me. And that particular place that you are talking
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: about is very old, very prestigious too. It's very prestigious,
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: very famous. So I know why you wouldn't want to
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: say it. So it's uh, it's it's a wild like
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: so so doing these podcasts, I'm just trying to get
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: to your your your purpose. I guess you just want
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: to kind of like maybe reach out to people, talk
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: to people, and just maybe try to understand what's going
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: on with you a little bit.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been trying to expand the community of people
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: I talk to a little bit. I currently only have
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: one friend that really is super open with me about it,
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: and my sister, and that's really it. Everybody else that
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: I know is just like, no, you're crazy, or I
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: don't want to talk. I don't want to tell them
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: about it because it's like, I don't know, it's kind
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: of hard to explain. It's almost it's starting to become
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: a little bit more accepted, yes, than it used to be,
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: but like for somebody that's like had to live with
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: it their whole life, it still feels like kind of
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: taboo that you have to hide it. And honestly, like
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: if you try to tell somebody like you're a medium,
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: they're just like dismiss you, like okay, you know, well.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: We're trying to break that here, man, We're trying to
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: break that here because there are people, just be honest
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: with you, who do take advantage of people when they
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: say they are a medium. And then there's the true
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: ones like yourself and others that I know, and uh
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: we I don't try to dismiss anybody because they tell
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: me if they're going to come on and talk to me,
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: then I'm going to take them seriously because it's not
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: up to me to make up my mind. I believe
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: you it was fine with me. I'm not up to
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: make anything else.
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: I'm not like selling anything like, I'm not here for
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: like publicity or anything. So there's no I don't have
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: anything to lose. I just am trying to share my stories.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you may to reach out. Honestly, my sister,
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: My sister has seen a ton of stuff. She's she
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: lived in many of the row homes in western Baltimore,
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: and she was telling me a story one time where
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: she went down the steps in her her well, might
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: as will be a husband, they're still a boyfriend girlfriend,
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: uh forever fiance what everyone calls. They've been together forever.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: And she went down the steps in their parents' house
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: and looked into the kitchen and seeing a butcher because
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: it was down near Pigtown, down in that part of Baltimore, Pigtown,
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: that area, and uh just chopped away on the block
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: and everything and like kind of had like on a
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: smock with the blood on it and stuff, so like
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: it's not unusual, You're not unusual. I want you to
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: understand that you're not unusual in what you're seeing. I
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: think everyone sees it to a certain extent. It's just
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: like your parents, just like my parents, they just kind
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: of ignore it. Is that you know, your parents are
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: kind of like the same era my parents are. My
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: parents were born in the mid to late fifties, both
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: of them. So there's this kind of like mentality of like,
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: you know, we work forty hours a week. We watched
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: the Ravens and Orioles and we go to work and.
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean, and and like time just
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: go back to where you came from.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: You know, Jesse, you know, you know it's the same
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: with me. And my dad would be like because when
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: it happened to me with my politic guy stuff, like
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: I would hear the house creek and I would jump
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: out of the bed and he's just like, you know,
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: it was an overreaction on my behalf. He was right,
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: you understand what I mean. It was just a house
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: settling or you know, like there was one time the
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: wind was moving the door. But like me being in
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: a heightened state of like nervousness. He would then like
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: dismiss all the other things that happened before. So you
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: know what I mean. So, like I want to tell
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: you like that I believe you, and everyone on the
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: show believes you, and you know, just go ahead and
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: like I be very careful about these kind of things
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: because we don't know. You know, there's people who you know,
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: you know, altra Christian. I'm not. I'm just a religious person.
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: I'm not a religious person. I'm a man of God.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: I don't I'm not a Christian, dude. And some people
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: who think they're all demons and all that, and some
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: people think they're aliens, and some people who think this,
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: and some people who think that. But just go ahead
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: and find your own route and do it, deal with
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: it the way that works for you.
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: I have some theories. I have some theories about the
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: whole alien thing. A little bit not gonna lie, okay,
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: because we're spiritual beings, and I believe aliens are also
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: spiritual beings. And I believe that not all of it,
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: but maybe just a small portion of like the terrifying
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: things that we see, maybe the things that are super
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: strong and can do a lot of things, might not
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: be human. We know they're non human. Could they be alien? Maybe?
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay, she's here's a here's a medium that you
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: can talk to. I've actually had them them they on
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: fire lotus, to witch who sees a lot of things,
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: to a very sweet person, very genuine person. And that's
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: somebody who can maybe reach out to if you need someone,
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: and he's they are very very it's still hard for
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: me to do that.
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: I have a lot of dreams about like the I
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: don't like, they're not pleasant dreams. It's usually how people perceive,
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: like how ghosts perceive themselves most of the time, and
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: it's really scary for me. But I don't know what
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: they want most of the time, Like I can't figure
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: out what they actually want, Like it seems like how
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: they perceive time is different. They almost kind of just
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: cut through time, like not in a straight line. But
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: I've had dreams where people realized that they weren't alive anymore,
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: and then just like gaps would go by each time
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: they were aware that they were still where they were
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: and couldn't figure out how to leave. So I'm trying
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: to figure out how to help whatever is trying to
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: reach me because this happens quite often in my dreams.
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: I've been trying to write them down because I've seen
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: specific details, like really specific details. One of them I
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: remember was a cabin in the woods in like California specifically,
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: and it showed it showed me where it was on
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: a map, and it showed this guy sleeping under like
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: this big skylight, and then there was like four dead
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: children that were all blonde, just standing next to him,
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: like showing me that they were there and that they
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: were in the cabin still like somewhere in the cabin.
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: And I was like, oh my god, like what do
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: I do with that information? You know?
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: And it's it's not even just that it's very heavy.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: That's extremely heavy to have that kind of knowledge in
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: your on your ball court. You don't know what to
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: do with it and who to talk to? Okay, and
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: you do okay, then you're you're really okay, you're seeing
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: some stuff. Then okay, when when we're done with this,
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: there's somebody I want to get you in touch which
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: with who is who can who can do those kind
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: of things as well? And he's a very sweet person,
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: very sweet person, very genuine person. And and if if
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: you don't want to. That's also fine, there's no pressure whatsoever.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: But at the same time, you know, if you want
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: to reach out and connect, there are people like yourself.
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: I think I think you have I think you have
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: very very whatever powerful or it's maybe the wrong word
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: because it has some type of you know, thought behind it. Powerful,
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: but like you know, you have some type of a
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: strong ability. I guess that is a good way of saying.
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: And it's kind of like maybe a certain point of
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: acceptance is going to come in your life, like this
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: may be the path that you're going to go down,
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: and and just be cautious because I'm very afraid of
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: those kind of things because the only thing I have
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: about myself is I'm very empathetic. I'm very that's it.
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's my lack of control. Like about a year ago,
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: I was an accidentally remote viewing while listening to podcasts.
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: Actually I started with the Hidden in the Shadows podcast.
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: I would like listen to their podcast and hear like
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: a mini school sound like the chair squeak, and then
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: I would just see everything that was in the room
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: with them, like everything at the time that they recorded it,
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: and I would reach out to them and I told
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: them about it, and they were like, yeah, that's actually
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: what this room looks like. But how would you like?
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: They're like, that episode we recorded was like a year ago,
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: and now I do it in a different room. So
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: I saw what it looked like at the time of
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: the recording, not current. So that was weird and that
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: was my first experience with that. But it's happened quite
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: a few times since then.
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: Okay, So it's like, so are you saying that the
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: these these visions and the dreams and all the things
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: that are happened are starting to increase or or like
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: you are you at it? Are you still at a
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: comfortable level?
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: No, it's getting uncomfortable for you.
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: It's getting really really intense, especially recently.
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, all right, I'm going to reach out to somebody,
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: and you know, however, you're willing to talk to this person.
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: If you're willing or not, that's up to you. So
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: there is somebody that I do trust that asked me
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: to do some things that I wasn't willing to do. Uh,
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: contact me one day just out of the blue, Hey,
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: the spirits told me that you're having a rough time.
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: I want to let you know that they told me
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: to keep doing what you're doing and everything's going to
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: be fine. And I go, yeah, it's a little vague.
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: I am going through some stuff right now. You want
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: to give me some detail. He goes, no, that's all
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: I told me. Bye. That's just the way he is, though.
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: But it's very.
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: Like clear purpose or like what is this for? Like
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: you're just sending me like random pictures or something like
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: what am I supposed to do with this? I don't
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: know what to do?
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: Right right? Right? Yeah, let's see, I said, we've got
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: the surreal realestate agent, Jessica. Follow your dreams. Trust him.
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: They'll give you insight, give you many things good. You're
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: protect in your dream. It's just like in the Walking Existence.
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: The people here are just yeah, this is your first
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: live right, Yeah, Well you did great. I think it was.
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: It was fantastic. I will see. I'll tell you what.
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: I will leave you on longer. I'm sure you got
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: things that you want to do. It is Friday evening.
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: I will send you the person's information that I'm talking
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: to you about and just say hey, just just say
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: Tom said to reach out to you. This is kind
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: of some of the things and there's any advice you
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: can give me something like that, and he just say, yeah,
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: do this or do that or just you know, he's
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: he's a sweet man. He's just like, oh, going like
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: this girl, but he has like this, Uh he's I
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: love talking to him. He's a lot of fun to
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: talk to him. And at the same time he does
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: scare me a little bit, but it's in the in
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: the in the best of ways, if you know what
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: I mean. So, I want to thank you so much
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: for coming on with me today and sharing it. I
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: can tell you're a little uncomfortable, but it's a lot
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: of uncomfortable things to bring up, and I want to
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: let you know that you did great and I and
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: I really thank you for coming on today.
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: Thanks. I think I was just a little nervous someone
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: used to being online shows.
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't worry about it. It took me a
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: while too. It took me a while too. I mean,
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: you are You're the first guest I had that had
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: this is their first live so for me it was
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: new to you just started doing this. So I try
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: to make it as comfortable as I could for you.
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: I hope I wasn't too weird.
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: It's really hard to do that, very hard to be
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: too weird.
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: Fair enough. Yeah, yeah, it's all good to go another person.
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: If you ever want to get onto contact and talk
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: to somebody on the podcast, talk to my friend. He's
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: right here. He's coming up next, guys, Daniel Cahun the
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: Magical Journey podcast. He is. I'll tell you he's one
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: of my best friends. He's a sweetheart of a guy. Uh.
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: He's also a person I would direct you to to
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: talk to you who listen. He's this great podcast. He's
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: coming up next after my show.
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: He's a you know, like a self professed green witch
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: who knows a lot about his bloodlines, and he knows
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: a lot about like forest and rocks and energy, and
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: he has visions too. I think he can kind of
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: contextualize him a little bit more. I think your I
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: think yours are probably stronger. Just this is an outsider perspective.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: I can't see through your mind or your heart or
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: your eyes. But he's also yeah, Baltimore is seriously Yeah, yes,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: Darren true, he's a great guy too, and you can
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: reach out to him too. He would, he would love
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: to talk to you. He's a he's a sweet man. Okay,
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: so I'm trying to help and I thank you so
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: much for coming on today and sharing your stories with us.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: We appreciate that and your encounters and your experiences.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was fun. Thank you for having me.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: Thank you very much. Okay, guys, thanks for being thanks
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: for being on the show. Remember we are the I,
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: we are aware. Love you all and have a wonderful weekend.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: M N ing.