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Episode #3973 The New Phil Hendrie Show Radio Archive Hour · The World of Phil Hendrie

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Speaker 2: Hey guys, welcome to.
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Speaker 1: Today's Featured Radio Archive Hour. And it features R.C. Collins,
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Speaker 1: one of the more popular guests that we've had on
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Speaker 1: the show.
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Speaker 2: R.C.
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Speaker 1: Is in a military academy. This is from December of 2003.
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Speaker 1: The Iraq War had begun, and he was here stateside
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Speaker 1: saying that even though he was sitting in a military academy,
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Speaker 1: he considered himself to be a war veteran. He is
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Speaker 1: part of the sixth branch of the military, Navy, Air Force, Marines,
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Speaker 1: Coast Guard. I forget who else. Oh, Navy, Air Force,
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Speaker 1: and Army, and then Military Academy. See, I don't even
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Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about. But the Military Academy, being
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Speaker 1: the sixth branch of the military, he's there sitting, eating Pop-Tarts.
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Speaker 1: I don't know.
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Speaker 2: So here's R.C.
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Speaker 1: Collins, folks. Talking about the war in Iraq, we have
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Speaker 1: a young man, a soldier. He's a cadet at Bradley
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Speaker 1: Military Academy in Al-Tadina, and he wanted to just give
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Speaker 1: us a front-line view because I've wanted to.
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Speaker 2: The one guy we haven't.
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Speaker 1: Heard from in all of this is the guy who
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Speaker 1: is fighting there in Iraq right now. You're a cadet
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Speaker 1: at Bradley Military Academy, sir?
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Speaker 3: Yes, sir, that's correct. I'm a junior cadet at Bradley
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Speaker 3: in Al-Tadina.
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Speaker 1: And what is your name?
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Speaker 3: My name's R.C.
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Speaker 1: Collins. And, R.C., you're a junior cadet. You wanted to
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Speaker 1: talk about how the military is feeling right now?
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Speaker 3: Yes, sir. I wanted to just speak on behalf of
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Speaker 3: the almost 500,000 men and women in the ITO that
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Speaker 3: we're okay. We're a little bit tired. The heat's increasing,
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Speaker 3: but it's nothing we haven't trained for, and we all
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Speaker 3: know that we've got a mission to complete, and we're
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Speaker 3: on that mission, and we will complete it.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: Now, when you say ITO, by the way, so we
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Speaker 2: can get.
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Speaker 1: Well, yes, sir.
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Speaker 3: That is the Iraqi Theater of Operations.
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Speaker 1: All right.
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Speaker 2: And you are in Iraq right now?
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Speaker 3: No, sir. We are not currently. We are still here
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Speaker 3: at the Academy. We're engaged in combat with you right now.
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Speaker 1: What is that?
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Speaker 3: It's doing support from the Academy. We monitor all CNN
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Speaker 3: or Fox or MSNBC. We get an overview. Sometimes, you know,
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Speaker 3: we get a little tired. I just want to stop
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Speaker 3: and have a glass of water, something as simple as that.
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Speaker 3: But we're on it.
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Speaker 2: All right, but you're not in Iraq.
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Speaker 1: You're in the United States. Does it matter in the
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Speaker 1: military world? Because I do not have any military experience.
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Speaker 1: Does it matter in the military world if you were
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Speaker 1: in a war zone or not?
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Speaker 3: No, no, sir, it doesn't. We're a team. In the military,
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Speaker 3: the Army, the Navy, the Marines, the Air Force, and
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Speaker 3: the military academies, whenever one has success... We've all been there,
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Speaker 3: and we have had a hand in the operations. And
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Speaker 3: right now, I'm monitoring us in the Saddam Airport, and
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Speaker 3: I can tell you that it was a heck of
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Speaker 3: a fight.
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Speaker 1: So you were not at the airport, but as a
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Speaker 1: part of the team, you do have that experience.
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Speaker 3: That's correct. And I'm very proud of myself and everybody
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Speaker 3: else that I served with, and we got the job done.
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Speaker 2: But, Jerry, you see, if you're 10,000 miles away... Well,
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Speaker 2: let me.
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Speaker 3: Let me explain how we do things in the military, Mr. Rennie.
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Speaker 3: An army is a team. It thinks and acts as
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Speaker 3: a team. We're all in this together. I can tell
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Speaker 3: you during the first hours of the war, I was
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Speaker 3: scared as we drove into Iraq. But after the first firefights,
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Speaker 3: I got into my rhythm and we all did the job.
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Speaker 2: But where were you?
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Speaker 3: I was here at the academy.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so that's something a lot of people will need
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Speaker 1: to understand. You weren't in Iraq, but... It's considered that
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Speaker 1: you guys were in combat anyway.
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Speaker 3: Yes, sir. That's right. So let's see if I can
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Speaker 3: explain what I'm saying. It's like you are on the
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Speaker 3: same team that attacked the airport. And so, as such,
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Speaker 3: I do have the distinction of having had combat experience.
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Speaker 1: What is combat experience like? Again, I've never been in
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Speaker 1: the military.
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Speaker 3: Have you ever had a near-death experience?
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Speaker 2: I have had one of those.
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Speaker 3: Well, I can tell you, it's like getting close to death.
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Speaker 3: It makes life taste a little bit sweeter. You don't
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Speaker 3: know what you got until you're in combat, and I
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Speaker 3: can give you an example. Myself and Cadet Meeker, we
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Speaker 3: were monitoring the Fox News channel, and we were watching
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Speaker 3: the battle for Saddam Airport, and the target had big importance.
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Speaker 3: I was afraid the whole time, and I just told myself,
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Speaker 3: there's nothing wrong with being afraid. It's just working through it.
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Speaker 3: And when we secured the airport, I guess I just
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Speaker 3: turned the TV off and I went to bed. But
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Speaker 3: it was tough the first 48 hours.
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Speaker 1: So watching television, and if I'm slow, but watching TV,
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Speaker 1: you're watching the war on television.
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Speaker 2: That's the same as being in actual combat?
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Speaker 3: See, I got my work cut out for me.
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Speaker 2: And forgive me if I'm not understanding.
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Speaker 3: Well, look, I'll walk you through it.
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Speaker 1: Because if I'm not understanding... I'll walk.
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Speaker 3: You through it. In the military, we work as a team,
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Speaker 3: all five branches of the military, the Air Force, Marines, Navy, Army,
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Speaker 3: and Military Academies, under the Commander-in-Chief, what is the President.
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Speaker 3: When we go into combat, we're a team. We live
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Speaker 3: as a team. We fight as a team. And God
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Speaker 3: forbid we'll die as a team. And when we went
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Speaker 3: into combat in Iraq, especially the airdrops in northern Iraq,
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Speaker 3: that was a big moment for me. So you don't
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Speaker 3: get that?
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Speaker 1: So even though you weren't in Iraq, you might as
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Speaker 1: well have been there.
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Speaker 3: Exactly. We were there because the team's there. And someday you, Mr. Andrew,
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Speaker 3: you might have the experience of dropping into a hot LZ.
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Speaker 3: All right.
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Speaker 2: We're talking with R.C. Collins.
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Speaker 1: He is a military academy cadet. Our number is 1-800-449-8686.
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Speaker 1: You called the show, R.C., to give people a little
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Speaker 1: front line.
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Speaker 3: Well, just to give people an idea of our morale.
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Speaker 3: It's very, very good. We feel we're fighting for a
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Speaker 3: very good thing to topple Saddam Hussein. And I just
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Speaker 3: want the American people to know that we're all right.
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Speaker 2: All right, but you're not in Iraq.
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Speaker 1: You're at the military academy, but you're saying that you
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Speaker 1: don't have to be in the theater.
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Speaker 3: No, not if you're a member of the... You're all
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Speaker 3: together in that. And I did want to say one thing,
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Speaker 3: if I could.
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Speaker 1: Yes, sir.
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Speaker 3: As a soldier, I do have the right to comment
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Speaker 3: on the battle plan, and I think this one... I
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Speaker 3: think we're going to fill a lot of body bags.
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Speaker 3: It's what we call foobar.
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Speaker 2: Is that that fouled up beyond all recognition?
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Speaker 3: Well, it's a little bit stronger than that. But I
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Speaker 3: just think these guys, the guys who are in the
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Speaker 3: flat hats of command, they ought to come down where
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Speaker 3: the fighting is because their operational plan is definitely foobar.
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Speaker 2: All right.
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Speaker 3: 1-800-449-8686.
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Speaker 1: We're covering a lot of ground here with Military Academy
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Speaker 1: Cadet R.C.
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Speaker 2: Collins, who says that even though he's not in.
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Speaker 3: Well, I think you're hitting that a little.
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Speaker 2: Am I paying too much attention to that?
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Speaker 3: Yes, sir, you are. Anybody in the military knows that
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Speaker 3: no matter who goes into combat, even the guys back
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Speaker 3: home in the States, they're in combat, too.
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Speaker 2: Is that reflected in the ribbons that you get?
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Speaker 3: I think so. I think, for instance, what I would
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Speaker 3: like to have on my gravestone, one of the things
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Speaker 3: that we get is we get to be buried in
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Speaker 3: a military cemetery. So I would like to have on
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Speaker 3: my gravestone, for instance... veteran of Iraq war, the veterans
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Speaker 3: of foreign wars, as you know, Mr. Henry, only allow
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Speaker 3: veterans of combat into their organization, and that would qualify me.
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Speaker 2: And that is the VFW?
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Speaker 3: Yes, sir, that is the VFW, which is slightly different
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Speaker 3: from the American Legion, but I would like to have,
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Speaker 3: you know, just simple things like that, and if I
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Speaker 3: survive this, I.
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Speaker 1: Okay, see, that's the thing, R.C., when we talk about
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Speaker 1: the war, it's not like you're not going to survive...
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Speaker 1: Because you're sitting here in America.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but see, that's the tricky part, because you're denigrating
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Speaker 3: my combat experience.
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Speaker 1: Well, I don't want to denigrate any combat experience or
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Speaker 1: perceived combat experience that you have, but you're not really
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Speaker 1: in combat. You just feel that you are a combat
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Speaker 1: veteran because you're part of an army that is in combat.
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Speaker 1: But how are you going to, what do you mean,
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Speaker 1: survive this?
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Speaker 3: If I die during the Iraq war.
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Speaker 2: How are you going to die? You're not there.
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Speaker 3: No. I could die in an automobile accident. I could
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Speaker 3: die in any kind of an accident. Just one of
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Speaker 3: our cadets six months ago was killed in a threshing
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Speaker 3: machine back home where he's from. And that, if a
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Speaker 3: war had been on.
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Speaker 2: So he would have died in combat?
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Speaker 3: Yes, sir.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I think it.
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Speaker 1: Do you think, and I would give you this opinion,
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Speaker 1: do you think it denigrates the combat veterans, for instance,
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Speaker 1: if a guy died from drunk driving? While he's in
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Speaker 1: uniform and while there's a war on?
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Speaker 3: He would be a combat death.
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Speaker 1: But isn't that insulting to the guys who are really
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Speaker 1: over there?
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Speaker 3: Sir, I think any man that dies in the line.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but a guy that dies from drunk driving, how's
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Speaker 1: he dying in the line?
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Speaker 3: If he's in uniform... and dies while a war is on,
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Speaker 3: he has died in the line of duty.
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Speaker 1: So one guy gets killed from a hand grenade charging
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Speaker 1: Saddam International Airport. Another guy in uniform dies driving drunk
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Speaker 1: down Pacific Coast Highway. Both of those guys are equal
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Speaker 1: in the eyes of the military.
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Speaker 3: Yes, sir. Absolutely, sir. You know, I don't think it's
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Speaker 3: for a civilian like you to start to, you know,
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Speaker 3: apprise the situation. Leave that to the military.
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Speaker 1: And I'm the first guy to admit that I don't
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Speaker 1: have any combat experience, and I don't know the code
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Speaker 1: of conduct or the protocol of the military, but this
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Speaker 1: young man is a member of a military academy, one
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Speaker 1: of the five branches of the... I want to have
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Speaker 1: that double-checked, so there's... There's actually six.
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Speaker 3: I'm sorry to start. There's the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines...
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Speaker 3: Coast Guard and Military Academy, so there's six branches of
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Speaker 3: the military.
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Speaker 2: All right, you're in the.
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Speaker 3: I'm in the Military Academy.
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Speaker 1: All right, and he is saying that the Army, and
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Speaker 1: of course it's a very familial and fraternal sense that
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Speaker 1: when one part of the team is in combat, the
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Speaker 1: whole team is in combat, even though it's a tough
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Speaker 1: one for me to get as a civilian, and maybe
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Speaker 1: some of you, because he's back at a Military Academy
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Speaker 1: watching it on TV, and the other guys are over
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Speaker 1: there fighting it.
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Speaker 2: We'll be back on The Phil Henry Show. The Phil
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Speaker 2: Henry Show.
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Speaker 1: We're back.
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Speaker 3: 1-800-449-8686.
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Speaker 1: We're speaking with Cadet R.C. Collins of the Bradley Military
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Speaker 1: Academy in Altadena. He has come on to express just
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Speaker 1: the feelings of the frontline soldiers in Iraq. You are
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Speaker 1: in the United States, but you consider yourself a combat veteran?
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Speaker 3: Well, I think what you need to stop doing, Mr. Henry,
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Speaker 3: is saying I consider myself like I am a combat
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Speaker 3: veteran because I am a part of the larger military
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Speaker 3: structure of Iraq. the United States, and if I could,
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Speaker 3: I'd like to just mention one thing.
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Speaker 2: Well, we do have some phone calls we want to
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Speaker 2: get to, and I have some questions.
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Speaker 3: Well, I understand that, sir, but I wanted to mention,
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Speaker 3: and it's a little tough to get to, but you
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Speaker 3: and I have been talking here for the last 20
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Speaker 3: minutes or so, and I don't mean any disrespect, sir,
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Speaker 3: but you have not said thank you to me or
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Speaker 3: acknowledged the service.
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Speaker 1: Well, sir, I would tell you, I do not in
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Speaker 1: any way, shape, or form want to denigrate the service
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Speaker 1: of our men and women.
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Speaker 2: And if I am being, no, I do thank.
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Speaker 1: You for serving our country, as I thank all the
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Speaker 1: men and women of our armed forces.
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Speaker 3: Well, it's just, you know, it's something that's expected, and
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Speaker 3: you are welcome.
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Speaker 1: And I guess we can move on. Okay, 1-800-449-8686.
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Speaker 2: Here is Jeff on the Phil Henry Show. Go ahead, Jeff.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, good evening.
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Speaker 4: I'd like to, first of all, give a big thumbs
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Speaker 4: up and a thank you to all our fellow soldiers
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Speaker 4: over there in Iraq.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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Speaker 4: I'd just like to explain something that maybe isn't clear
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Speaker 4: to this gentleman. There's a protocol in the U.S. military,
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Speaker 4: especially in the Army, and I served in the Ranger
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Speaker 4: Detachment for the 8th Infantry Division for four years in Germany.
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Speaker 3: Was you in combat?
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Speaker 4: No, I was not in combat, but let me tell you,
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Speaker 4: there were folks in my unit who had been, and
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Speaker 4: the protocol is when you go to combat... That unit
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Speaker 4: patch that you wear on your left shoulder, you are
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Speaker 4: now authorized by the U.S. Army to wear that patch
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Speaker 4: on your right shoulder. If your unit has not been
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Speaker 4: deployed into a theater of combat... You are not authorized
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Speaker 4: to wear that patch on that right shoulder, and you
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Speaker 4: are not indeed a combat veteran.
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Speaker 1: What about that?
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Speaker 4: It does degrade those folks who have served and put
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Speaker 4: their life on the line. I'm not saying that the
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Speaker 4: service of the soldiers in the United States is any
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Speaker 4: less meaningful, but you're not a combat veteran unless you've
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Speaker 4: been to combat.
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Speaker 2: What about that.
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Speaker 3: R.C.? Well, the gentleman's mistaken in one area. Yes, he's right.
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Speaker 3: The combat patch means you were really in the combat.
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Speaker 2: I mean, where.
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Speaker 3: where most of the bullets were being shot. But where
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Speaker 3: I am is still combat, but I'm in a review area.
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Speaker 4: No, the United States is not a combat theater, and
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Speaker 4: I would.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you said ITO. You said ITO, R.C.
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Speaker 3: That's the Iraqi Theater of Operation, yeah.
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Speaker 2: Okay, is the United States.
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Speaker 3: Where our military academy is, yes. Every base, every naval base,
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Speaker 3: every army base, every military academy is part of the ITO.
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Speaker 3: That's what my understanding is.
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Speaker 4: As a former veteran of the military and not just
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Speaker 4: a military school, I would beg.
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Speaker 3: To differ with you 100%.
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Speaker 4: If you are not in the ITO, you are not
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Speaker 4: a combat veteran of this engagement.
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Speaker 3: Not at all.
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Speaker 4: I don't want to degrade your commitment to this country
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Speaker 4: or your patriotism. Don't take me wrong.
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Speaker 2: R.C., you're not in the military.
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Speaker 3: Excuse me. Excuse me. I'm in a military academy, and I...
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Speaker 3: I would like you to have some respect for that.
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Speaker 4: I understand that, but I also know a number of
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Speaker 4: people that I went to school with who, until you
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Speaker 4: actually sign on that dotted line and graduate and get
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Speaker 4: your commission, you are not technically in the U.S.
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Speaker 3: Military.
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Speaker 4: You are about to enter the U.S. military, but you
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Speaker 4: aren't in the military.
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Speaker 3: Sir, it's a gray area.
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Speaker 4: No, it's not a gray area, and you... To be
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Speaker 4: perfectly honest with you, I take issue with what you're
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Speaker 4: saying because it's disrespectful to me and every other person
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Speaker 4: who's ever actually served in the military.
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Speaker 3: Well, I'd like to say also, sir, you know, I
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Speaker 3: don't mean to disrespect, but you're welcome. You're welcome.
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Speaker 1: For what?
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Speaker 4: I believe I started this conversation with a thank you
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Speaker 4: and a thumbs up. Evidently, you weren't listening to that conversation.
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Speaker 3: I meant to me specifically. I mean, that's a general
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Speaker 3: thank you.
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Speaker 2: Well, thank you to all the troops.
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Speaker 1: Thank you to you.
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Speaker 4: If you give me a roster of every person in
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Speaker 4: the U.S. military, I'd be glad to thank each and
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Speaker 4: every one of them individually.
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Speaker 3: This is an.
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Speaker 4: Issue more about you. You have this in your head
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Speaker 4: as an issue about you rather than about... The issue
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Speaker 4: at hand, which is our men and women over there
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Speaker 4: putting their lives on the line every day, and you
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Speaker 4: want to puff your shoulders out, say, yeah, I'm one
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Speaker 4: of them, and reality says you're not. I spent four
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Speaker 4: years in the Rangers, and I'm not there, and I'm
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Speaker 4: not a combat veteran.
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Speaker 3: I will give you this. I may not be at
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Speaker 3: the top of my game right now. We just took
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Speaker 3: a major military objective. I'm exhausted. We were watching it
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Speaker 3: all night.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, you're exhausted from pushing them pencils around, buddy.
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Speaker 3: Get real. Get real. Well, I think that's just insulting.
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Speaker 3: I haven't been disrespected.
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Speaker 4: You're insulting every man and woman who's over there putting
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Speaker 4: their lives on the line, our POWs and our folks, MIA.
16:41
Speaker 1: That's true.
16:42
Speaker 4: It's an insult to those folks.
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Speaker 3: Well, sir, I'm not trying to insult them.
16:45
Speaker 4: Well, you've done it, whether you're trying to or not.
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Speaker 2: All right, listen, Jeff.
16:49
Speaker 3: I take exception to that, sir. You can take exception
16:53
Speaker 3: all you want.
16:54
Speaker 4: Check it on your test on Monday.
16:56
Speaker 2: All right, thank you, sir.
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Speaker 5: 1-800-449-8686.
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Speaker 3: R.C.
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Speaker 2: Collins, a military academy cadet. who feels that... Sir, again, Mr.
17:05
Speaker 3: Henry, please, I don't feel, I know.
17:07
Speaker 1: All right, well, you say that no matter what branch
17:10
Speaker 1: of the military, you're a combat veteran, because as a team,
17:13
Speaker 1: you're all in this combat together. Here's Michael on the
17:15
Speaker 1: Phil Henry Show. Hello.
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Speaker 6: Yes, how are you doing, gentlemen?
17:18
Speaker 1: Yes, sir, fine.
17:19
Speaker 5: Very good.
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Speaker 6: I got the comments for you, Cadet, and I'll be
17:22
Speaker 6: the first to tell you that I thank you for
17:24
Speaker 6: your determination and your aspirations to serve this country.
17:28
Speaker 3: Thank you.
17:28
Speaker 6: But I think that you have a lot of self-searching
17:31
Speaker 6: to do between your ears if you have any ideas
17:34
Speaker 6: that you have any combat experience. I'm glad that maybe
17:37
Speaker 6: you're instilled with the idea to get in the frame
17:40
Speaker 6: of mind and the emotion that you need to be
17:43
Speaker 6: in tune with what's going on and to feel a
17:45
Speaker 6: part of it. But if you think you have any
17:47
Speaker 6: ideas at all what it's like to be in combat
17:49
Speaker 6: by watching television, I'm sorry. You're not only not officer material,
17:53
Speaker 6: but if they continue to keep doing that academy with
17:55
Speaker 6: that kind of attitude, I pity the troops that might
17:57
Speaker 6: have to serve under you someday.
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Speaker 3: Sir, if you could repeat that, because I got lost.
18:01
Speaker 3: I mean, there's a whole lot of stuff you're trying
18:03
Speaker 3: to say there.
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Speaker 6: That's because you're trying to pull a whole lot of
18:07
Speaker 6: stuff from a lot of other people that you have
18:09
Speaker 6: no idea what you're talking about.
18:10
Speaker 3: Sir, all I'm trying to say is we took San
18:13
Speaker 3: Diego International Airport yesterday, and I'm a little tired.
18:19
Speaker 6: You're tired because our troops took care of an airport
18:21
Speaker 6: somewhere else, and you watched them on TV.
18:24
Speaker 3: Listen, sir.
18:25
Speaker 6: Lots of us are scared when we see these things happening.
18:28
Speaker 6: Lots of us are relieved and excited whenever we see
18:30
Speaker 6: positive results. But that doesn't mean that we're gaining combat
18:34
Speaker 6: experience either. I was a cadet. I know what it's like.
18:37
Speaker 6: And as a cadet, you do not even determine. You
18:39
Speaker 6: do not even deserve to move from a PSC at
18:43
Speaker 6: this point yet. So don't even come across and say
18:45
Speaker 6: that you are part of this team.
18:47
Speaker 3: But we're part of the six branches of the military.
18:53
Speaker 6: You're training to be in a branch, and that's the bottom.
18:55
Speaker 3: Line, sir. Well, I think you're wrong. I think you're wrong.
18:58
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I think if you seriously feel where you're at,
19:01
Speaker 6: you better reconsider whether or not you're officer material.
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Speaker 3: Okay, you're welcome, Michael. Well, I'm putting my rear end
19:07
Speaker 3: on the line. You're there playing mumbly peg with your
19:11
Speaker 3: buddies and a deer rifle.
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Speaker 5: Excuse me, sir.
19:15
Speaker 3: You didn't ask what.
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Speaker 6: My military experience was.
19:18
Speaker 3: Some gay blade. All right. All right, sir.
19:21
Speaker 2: What are you calling this man names?
19:23
Speaker 3: No, but there's some gay blade behind him.
19:26
Speaker 1: All right, listen.
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Speaker 2: Thank you for your call.
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Speaker 3: 1-800-449-8686.
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Speaker 1: No! Jesus. All right. We're talking with R.C. Collins. What
19:37
Speaker 1: do you mean it's a gray area?
19:39
Speaker 3: It's still a matter of interpretation of military. See, there's
19:43
Speaker 3: a thing called military law. And in the military, they
19:47
Speaker 3: have lawyers that know about it. They... gray area. If
19:52
Speaker 3: you are in the military and they're having a war,
19:57
Speaker 3: you can be technically a combat veteran and go into
20:00
Speaker 3: the BFW and have shots and beers just like everybody else.
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Speaker 2: All right, 1-800-449-8686.
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Speaker 3: R.C.
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Speaker 1: Collins, Military Academy cadet, who believes he is a combat veteran,
20:14
Speaker 1: even though.
20:14
Speaker 2: He's just watching the war on Fox from his dorm room.
20:18
Speaker 2: Phil Hendry Show. The Phil Hendry Show.
20:19
Speaker 1: You need a checkup from the neck up. The Phil
20:26
Speaker 1: Hendry Show is back.
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Speaker 3: 1-800-449-8686.
20:30
Speaker 1: The frontline soldier in Iraq and the Middle East, what
20:33
Speaker 1: does he or she feel? We have on the line
20:35
Speaker 1: a young man as a cadet at a military academy
20:37
Speaker 1: in Altadena who seems to think, and I don't mean
20:40
Speaker 1: to disrespect you, but I have to couch it in
20:42
Speaker 1: these terms, seems to think he knows what.
20:44
Speaker 2: Talk much?
20:50
Speaker 1: Seems to think he knows, and I would appreciate respect
20:53
Speaker 1: from you as I give it to you.
20:54
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, sir.
20:56
Speaker 1: Seems to think he knows what it's like to be
20:58
Speaker 1: in combat.
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Speaker 2: And I say that.
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Speaker 3: Well, you're disrespecting me by making that statement.
21:04
Speaker 1: Well, I'm not trying to disrespect you, but to say
21:06
Speaker 1: you are in the... Because you're in a military academy,
21:09
Speaker 1: you're part of the big team that's over there, and
21:11
Speaker 1: you might as well have combat experience.
21:14
Speaker 2: I.
21:14
Speaker 1: Think it's wrong, and I think it oversimplifies the commitment
21:18
Speaker 1: of our men and women.
21:19
Speaker 3: Look, Mr. Henry, Father has tied a yellow ribbon on
21:21
Speaker 3: the main gate of our home. We live in the
21:24
Speaker 3: Los Gatos area of Northern California, behind gates, which I
21:30
Speaker 3: only bring that up to say this. It's funny how
21:33
Speaker 3: people will look down their noses on a young man
21:36
Speaker 3: who may have come from privilege, as I admittedly did.
21:39
Speaker 3: But I'm in there like every other grunt and dog face,
21:42
Speaker 3: ready to do the do. And I think that, like
21:47
Speaker 3: I said, it's not me you should be asking these
21:50
Speaker 3: questions of. You ought to be talking to all the
21:52
Speaker 3: flat hats at operational command because this thing's foobar. And
21:56
Speaker 3: in my opinion, they're going to fill a lot of
21:57
Speaker 3: body bags before it's over with.
21:59
Speaker 1: And I think that's demoralizing to people for you to
22:02
Speaker 1: say that.
22:02
Speaker 3: Well, sir, until they've had the experience that I've had,
22:05
Speaker 3: I think it's a gray area.
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Speaker 1: All right, 1-800-449-8686.
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Speaker 2: Here is Michael.
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Speaker 1: Go ahead, Michael.
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Speaker 5: I'm sorry.
22:15
Speaker 7: I had a good thing I was going to start
22:17
Speaker 7: in on, but you just said something that just threw
22:20
Speaker 7: me off the wall. You just said that they're going to,
22:24
Speaker 7: from your experience, you have no experience. Let me tell
22:28
Speaker 7: you a little bit about my experience.
22:29
Speaker 3: That's a gray area. Okay.
22:32
Speaker 5: There is no gray.
22:32
Speaker 7: It's black or white. You're talking to a golf veteran
22:35
Speaker 7: from the first one. When I came back from Golf One,
22:39
Speaker 7: I wasn't looking for thank yous. I was there because
22:41
Speaker 7: I was in the military. I was at Fort Bragg, paratrooper.
22:45
Speaker 7: I did my job because my government and my country said,
22:50
Speaker 7: that's where you've got to go.
22:51
Speaker 3: And that's where I went. No, no, hold on a second.
22:53
Speaker 3: I misunderstood you. You haven't got to that point yet.
22:56
Speaker 7: You haven't even got there yet.
22:58
Speaker 3: Sir, I just misunderstood. You said you were a Golf veteran.
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Speaker 7: I'm a Golf One veteran, yes.
23:04
Speaker 3: No, no, as in the game or.
23:06
Speaker 1: No, golf.
23:07
Speaker 3: Golf? I'm sorry. Virgin golf.
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Speaker 7: I was there with Desert Storm and Desert Shield. You're
23:14
Speaker 7: not the PGA?
23:15
Speaker 3: You don't play golf?
23:17
Speaker 2: Look, you know what he's saying.
23:19
Speaker 7: I'm really wondering how old you are and if you
23:21
Speaker 7: really are a cadet, because you're not even acting or...
23:24
Speaker 7: speaking to the intelligent level that cadets that I've seen
23:27
Speaker 7: in the military act.
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Speaker 3: Sir, I attend Bradley Military Academy out today in California.
23:33
Speaker 3: I can certainly have our headmaster speak to you if
23:35
Speaker 3: you'd like, Commandant Wireman.
23:38
Speaker 5: I don't need that.
23:39
Speaker 7: You can put anybody on the phone, but you are
23:41
Speaker 7: not even speaking to the intelligence of a cadet. If
23:44
Speaker 7: you are a cadet, I would think you're a freshman.
23:47
Speaker 7: Because let me tell you this, being a combat veteran,
23:50
Speaker 7: which I can say I am... When you get put
23:54
Speaker 7: into the combat zone or theater, as you would like
23:57
Speaker 7: to say, you don't really know what a person is
24:01
Speaker 7: going to do or how a person is going to
24:03
Speaker 7: act until the stress that person is put under. You
24:07
Speaker 7: have not even seen the stress that you can be
24:10
Speaker 7: put under in a combat situation. Therefore, you cannot say
24:14
Speaker 7: you're a combat veteran until you are put into the
24:18
Speaker 7: theater or In the theater means in the location it's happening,
24:23
Speaker 7: not sitting at home watching it on TV. I hate
24:27
Speaker 7: to tell you this, but you are not a combat veteran.
24:31
Speaker 7: And when you figure that out, you will figure out
24:34
Speaker 7: that you are trying to run on the coattails of
24:36
Speaker 7: everybody else that.
24:37
Speaker 3: Is over there.
24:37
Speaker 1: Why do you say, R.C., that you're in the theater?
24:40
Speaker 1: Because you're at a military academy?
24:42
Speaker 3: Technically, the military bases and academies are part of the ITO.
24:47
Speaker 7: No, technically they are not.
24:49
Speaker 4: Technically, they might be.
24:51
Speaker 7: Running training exercises to train you to be a soldier
24:55
Speaker 7: and using the real-world life experiences to put you in
24:58
Speaker 7: that theater so you can learn better. But you are
25:01
Speaker 7: not in the theater. The theater is right now like Korea.
25:05
Speaker 7: If you were stationed in Korea, you would be under
25:08
Speaker 7: the Korea theater. You are not in Iraq.
25:11
Speaker 3: I need to ask you something, then. How come we saw...
25:15
Speaker 3: We watched and we felt every movement of the guys
25:18
Speaker 3: going into the Saddam International Airport. Okay, okay. I was tired.
25:22
Speaker 3: I was sweating. I was dirty.
25:24
Speaker 5: You saw it and you watched it. You did not
25:27
Speaker 5: feel it.
25:27
Speaker 3: Why was I tired?
25:29
Speaker 7: You did not. Okay, you were tired.
25:32
Speaker 3: Why?
25:32
Speaker 7: Were you physically tired because you had bullets flying past
25:35
Speaker 7: your head? Were you physically tired because you were running
25:38
Speaker 7: through a desert, through sand, carrying 45 pounds of rucksack
25:43
Speaker 7: on your back? carrying a 15-pound weapon, or I'm sorry,
25:48
Speaker 7: carrying the 60, carrying the ammo that goes along with it,
25:51
Speaker 7: plus the spare barrel, being able to remember not only
25:56
Speaker 7: to fire that weapon, but to change barrels after a
25:59
Speaker 7: 1,000-cycle round so you don't cook the barrel off.
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Speaker 3: Yes, that's why I was tired, yes.
26:05
Speaker 2: No, you weren't.
26:06
Speaker 1: You weren't.
26:06
Speaker 2: No, you weren't. You weren't carrying a.
26:09
Speaker 3: Look, I haven't had a home-cooked meal in two and
26:12
Speaker 3: a half weeks... Okay. Okay, I'm sorry.
26:16
Speaker 7: You didn't have a home-cooked meal. What kind of meals
26:18
Speaker 7: have you had?
26:20
Speaker 3: We're eating the slop. They're serving it in the cafeteria. Oh,
26:24
Speaker 3: my goodness.
26:25
Speaker 7: You're eating the slop in the cafeteria. Son, I didn't
26:29
Speaker 7: see a cafeteria as soon as the ground war started.
26:32
Speaker 7: I saw an MRE.
26:34
Speaker 3: Okay, that's good, too. They have brownies in them and everything. Oh, really?
26:39
Speaker 7: That's real good. They do now, but not in 91.
26:42
Speaker 7: I'm sorry to tell you this, in 91 we still
26:44
Speaker 7: had the dehydrated beef patty.
26:48
Speaker 3: Yeah, that sucks. I've had that.
26:50
Speaker 1: All right, listen, I think that what you're saying, kid,
26:54
Speaker 1: you're living in a fantasy world.
26:55
Speaker 3: Look, Mr. Henry, you're disrespecting me.
26:59
Speaker 1: No, no, you're disrespecting every veteran is what I'm concerned with.
27:03
Speaker 1: Talking about how you're sitting there, why are we attired?
27:06
Speaker 1: You were tired because it was 3 in the morning
27:08
Speaker 1: and you hadn't gotten any sleep.
27:09
Speaker 2: You needed to get back to bed.
27:11
Speaker 7: He's looking for a pat on the back, and the
27:14
Speaker 7: only person that's going to get it is his roommate.
27:16
Speaker 7: You're not going to get a pat on the back.
27:19
Speaker 7: Nobody really, every soldier over there don't want a pat
27:22
Speaker 7: on the back because they were called to do it.
27:24
Speaker 7: They volunteered to be there, and that's what they're.
27:27
Speaker 3: Trained to do.
27:27
Speaker 7: You're not asking for a pat on the back. And
27:30
Speaker 7: for you to ask for someone to say thank you,
27:32
Speaker 7: you're wrong.
27:33
Speaker 2: Thank you, Michael.
27:34
Speaker 3: Both of you guys are welcome.
27:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, man.
27:36
Speaker 7: You shouldn't even say that.
27:37
Speaker 3: You have not the right to say that.
27:38
Speaker 1: Exactly. Thank you very much, sir.
27:40
Speaker 3: 1-800-449-8686.
27:40
Speaker 2: We're talking to real veterans here. who have seen combat
27:45
Speaker 2: we call it.
27:46
Speaker 3: Having your ass in the grass Mr. Henry if you're
27:48
Speaker 3: struggling for the term.
27:50
Speaker 1: Okay well you don't know what it is man because
27:53
Speaker 1: you haven't had your ass in the grass you're in
27:56
Speaker 1: a military academy you are you know something cry.
27:59
Speaker 3: Me a river alright I am at the academy of
28:05
Speaker 3: the military which is part of one of the eight
28:07
Speaker 3: branches of the service of the United States And your
28:10
Speaker 3: disrespect for everyone who serves in uniform in the military
28:14
Speaker 3: academies of the America is wrong.
28:17
Speaker 2: I think you're wrong.
28:18
Speaker 3: Well, I think you're wrong.
28:20
Speaker 2: Angela, go ahead.
28:21
Speaker 1: You're on the Phil Henry Show. Angela?
28:25
Speaker 3: Yeah.
28:26
Speaker 1: Go ahead, ma'am.
28:27
Speaker 3: Hi.
28:28
Speaker 8: Well, it's like I was telling you before, Mr.
28:31
Speaker 7: Henry.
28:31
Speaker 8: My husband is overseas right now. He's at the 151
28:35
Speaker 8: air refueling wing.
28:36
Speaker 1: Great.
28:40
Speaker 8: I take issue with Mr.
28:41
Speaker 4: Arcee.
28:42
Speaker 8: In my opinion, if he at a military academy is
28:46
Speaker 8: considered to be an actual combatant, then anybody that's in
28:51
Speaker 8: high school in an ROTC club or class should be
28:55
Speaker 8: considered also.
28:56
Speaker 3: No, because they're not part of the military. Mr.
29:00
Speaker 8: Arcee, may I say one thing? And then I'm going
29:03
Speaker 8: to finish my conversation.
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Speaker 4: Uh-huh, uh-huh.
29:08
Speaker 8: When we receive our paychecks, when my husband receives his
29:11
Speaker 8: paychecks that come directly to our house, we have.
29:17
Speaker 1: This lady's husband's in the military.
29:19
Speaker 8: My husband receives an additional check for hostile fire.
29:24
Speaker 3: Mr.
29:24
Speaker 8: R.C., I doubt seriously that you are given that type
29:27
Speaker 8: of payment as well. Therefore, you are not considered.
29:32
Speaker 3: But there's a lot of different ways. We get... Our
29:34
Speaker 3: payment is... desserts, extra desserts and things like that because
29:39
Speaker 3: we're in high school.
29:41
Speaker 8: And that's all good. We get extra credit in class.
29:45
Speaker 8: My final comment.
29:46
Speaker 2: Extra dessert.
29:47
Speaker 3: Yes, sir.
29:49
Speaker 8: My final comment, Mr. Henry, is this. I was once
29:52
Speaker 8: given a very good piece of advice from a friend
29:55
Speaker 8: that said, do not argue with an idiot. Your audience
29:58
Speaker 8: will not know the difference. And that's all I have
30:01
Speaker 8: to say.
30:02
Speaker 1: Well, I guess that's an insult.
30:04
Speaker 3: Oh, boy. Chop, chop.
30:07
Speaker 1: Thank you.
30:07
Speaker 2: 1-800-449. Look, we get a.
30:09
Speaker 3: Day pass into town on Saturday. We get four movie
30:12
Speaker 3: passes a month.
30:14
Speaker 6: Four.
30:15
Speaker 3: We get discounts at Tommy Burgers. A lot of stuff.
30:21
Speaker 3: Those are the kinds of hazardous pay that we get.
30:23
Speaker 3: If you're an adult, you legally have to be paid.
30:28
Speaker 3: No kid gets paid. No kids ever get paid. You
30:31
Speaker 3: get discounts, desserts, and a variety of coupons.
30:35
Speaker 2: For hazardous duty pay?
30:37
Speaker 3: Yes, sir. First, I've got one here, Bobby. It's a
30:41
Speaker 3: frozen yogurt cup, 30 cents off.
30:46
Speaker 1: All right.
30:48
Speaker 3: Can I make a note, by the way, I want
30:49
Speaker 3: to say to everybody listening, and I know I've been
30:51
Speaker 3: taking a lot of flack from callers who don't know
30:53
Speaker 3: their ass from their elbows. Let me tell you what.
30:57
Speaker 3: Hang on, America. We'll put this baby to rest soon.
31:00
Speaker 3: The bad man is going to take a dirt nap,
31:02
Speaker 3: courtesy of the United States military, Bradley Academy branch. So
31:09
Speaker 3: don't worry about a thing, because we are all over
31:12
Speaker 3: it like stink on crap.
31:16
Speaker 1: Oh, man.
31:17
Speaker 3: Well, you can laugh, sir, but.
31:19
Speaker 1: No, kid, you just, in my opinion, don't get it.
31:21
Speaker 1: Here is Matt on the Phil Henry Show. Hello? Hello? Yes, Matt,
31:26
Speaker 1: go right ahead.
31:28
Speaker 5: Hey, RC.
31:29
Speaker 3: Yes, sir.
31:30
Speaker 5: We do a thing called urinalysis in the military, and
31:32
Speaker 5: you need to take one.
31:34
Speaker 3: You know what?
31:35
Speaker 5: I've been in the military.
31:36
Speaker 3: For 19 years, and I.
31:38
Speaker 5: Still serve, and I'll tell you what. I'm here, just
31:41
Speaker 5: like the rest of my buddies are, in uniform to
31:43
Speaker 5: fight for those that can't and those that won't. And
31:46
Speaker 5: we don't run around saying that we are something that
31:49
Speaker 5: we're not, which is obviously what you are.
31:53
Speaker 3: I'm not doing that.
31:54
Speaker 5: And somebody in uniform dying because they're a drunk driver
31:58
Speaker 5: is not the same as a guy getting killed in
32:00
Speaker 5: combat because he charged Baghdad Airport with a grenade. Because
32:05
Speaker 5: if he was in uniform and he was drunk, he's
32:09
Speaker 5: a criminal if he was, in fact, legally drunk.
32:12
Speaker 2: Right.
32:12
Speaker 5: Not even the same. So, you know what? You're doing
32:15
Speaker 5: a disservice to everybody that wears the uniform legitimately, and
32:20
Speaker 5: I really think you're full of it, buddy.
32:21
Speaker 3: You know something? I'm in uniform at the Bradley Military Academy.
32:25
Speaker 3: What about these guys that aren't doing anything? You know what?
32:30
Speaker 5: What is the Bradley Military Academy? I haven't even heard
32:33
Speaker 5: of it.
32:33
Speaker 3: Is it West Point?
32:35
Speaker 5: Are you contracted with the military? Or is this just
32:39
Speaker 5: some shake-and-bake school that somebody started in California? I've never
32:43
Speaker 5: even heard of it.
32:44
Speaker 3: It's a military academy with uniforms and everything.
32:46
Speaker 5: It doesn't matter. The police wear uniforms, too. But it
32:50
Speaker 5: doesn't make them combat veterans.
32:51
Speaker 3: Hey, most cops got more combat experience than half of
32:54
Speaker 3: you guys in your flat hats and your one-button fly.
32:59
Speaker 5: But now you're saying we're one of you guys? Are
33:01
Speaker 5: you in the military or are you not?
33:03
Speaker 3: I'm all over this like flies on rice. And the
33:06
Speaker 3: people that say we're not are people who are jealous
33:11
Speaker 3: of everybody. There's no jealousy. There's fact.
33:14
Speaker 5: There's fact. You are not a combatant. You are not
33:17
Speaker 5: a combat zone. You are not a combat veteran.
33:20
Speaker 3: Don't you agree this operation is full bar?
33:23
Speaker 7: No.
33:24
Speaker 3: No. And you know what?
33:25
Speaker 5: I don't know what makes you think that you're an
33:27
Speaker 5: expert that you can even comment on it when you're
33:29
Speaker 5: sitting in California in some school eating in a mess hall.
33:33
Speaker 5: I don't understand what you're, you know.
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Speaker 3: I'm just saying that one brigade isn't going to hold
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Speaker 3: the airport.
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Speaker 5: How much experience do you have to sit here and
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Speaker 5: make any kind of commentary about a current military operation?
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Speaker 3: Look, tell me I'm wrong. The one brigade isn't going
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Speaker 3: to hold the airport.
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Speaker 5: I'm telling you, you are wrong. I've been listening to
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Speaker 5: this show for an hour, and you're wrong.
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Speaker 3: They've had their asses in the grass for two weeks
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Speaker 3: worth of wake-ups. I just think the Flat Hats of
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Speaker 3: Command need to get down in the dirt where the
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Speaker 3: grunts are. They don't need to. They've been there.
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Speaker 5: That's why they're where they're at.
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Speaker 3: They're smoking cigars and drinking bourbon.
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Speaker 5: This whole operation has been a success, an overall success.
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Speaker 1: Well, that was adult.
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Speaker 5: Are you burping?
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Speaker 3: Why?
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Speaker 5: Because you can't face the facts?
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Speaker 3: That's what I do when I can't face the facts.
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Speaker 3: I burp.
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Speaker 1: All right, look, Matt.
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Speaker 5: Because that was about the most intelligent thing that's come
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Speaker 5: out of your mouth the whole time on here.
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Speaker 3: I've been on here all hour long saying smart stuff,
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Speaker 3: and you... Pick out the one stupid thing I said.
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Speaker 3: According to who, you? Yeah. According to you? You pick
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Speaker 3: out the one dumb thing I said, you get a
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Speaker 3: whole phone call out of it.
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Speaker 5: It was just which one did I want to pick.
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Speaker 1: Exactly. Exactly.
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Speaker 5: I don't have much more time for this.
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Speaker 2: All right, thank you, Matt.
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Speaker 1: I appreciate it.
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Speaker 5: I can't listen to this guy anymore. He is just, like,
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Speaker 5: out of control.
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Speaker 3: Well, at least I'm still in uniform. I didn't go AWAC. Hey,
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Speaker 3: you know what?
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Speaker 1: AWAC?
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Speaker 5: Anybody can get out of the Army and Navy store
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Speaker 5: and put a uniform on and sew some patches on.
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Speaker 5: It doesn't give them experience. You know, what you see
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Speaker 5: on CNN and what you read in the paper, hey,
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Speaker 5: you know, if that's the wealth of your experience, you know,
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Speaker 5: you've got a lot to learn, pal.
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Speaker 3: Can you get those combat patches there?
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Speaker 7: I've been here for 19 years, and I have not
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Speaker 7: been in a combat zone.
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Speaker 5: I have trained, and I'm ready to go, but I
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Speaker 5: have not been in a combat zone. And I don't
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Speaker 5: consider myself a combat veteran.
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Speaker 1: But I'm on the team, and I'm willing to go.
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Speaker 2: All right, thank you, Matt.
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Speaker 1: You made some good points. And I would say to you, R.C.,
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Speaker 1: that while you think you're serving your country, you're disrespecting
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Speaker 1: men and women who are really in combat and are
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Speaker 1: not sitting around a television set eating ice cream, farting,
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Speaker 1: and then going to bed.
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Speaker 3: It's FUBAR!
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Speaker 1: World-famous Phil Henry Show is executive produced by me, Phil Henry,
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Speaker 2: It's FUBAR!