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Family Ripped Baby from Pregnant Daughter's Womb: Police · Murder Files Unsealed

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  Speaker 1: So put yourself in northern Michigan, like, late November.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. That's a brutal time of year up there.
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  Speaker 1: It really is. I mean, the air is just brutal.
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  Speaker 1: It has that deep, you know, bone-chilling cold that completely
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  Speaker 1: freezes the ground solid beneath this thick layer of dead
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  Speaker 1: autumn leaves.
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  Speaker 2: Right, the kind of cold that just cuts right through you.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. So you are walking down this remote dirt two-track road.
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  Speaker 1: This is in a national forest, miles from any pavement,
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  Speaker 1: surrounded by nothing but bare trees. and just absolute silence.
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  Speaker 2: Total isolation.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the kind of isolation that makes you feel
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  Speaker 1: like you're the last person on Earth, honestly. But hidden
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  Speaker 1: just off that trail, under a fresh pile of those
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  Speaker 1: freezing leaves, is a scene that just completely shatters that quiet.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's a grim one.
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  Speaker 1: It is. A 22-year-old woman who had been missing for
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  Speaker 1: weeks is found buried there. She'd been like 39 weeks pregnant,
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  Speaker 1: and her body is severely mutilated, and her unborn baby
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  Speaker 1: is just gone.
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  Speaker 2: It's a profound shock to the system just hearing that. And,
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  Speaker 2: you know, for law enforcement walking up to that tree line,
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  Speaker 2: it really is the beginning of a logistical and psychological nightmare.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I can't even imagine.
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  Speaker 2: Right. Because a crime scene like that immediately tells an
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  Speaker 2: investigator that they aren't just looking for, you know, a
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  Speaker 2: standard killer. They are looking for someone who has crossed
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  Speaker 2: a very specific, very rare threshold of violence.
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  Speaker 1: And that right there is the mission of our deep
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  Speaker 1: dive today. We are basically untangling one of the most convoluted, rumor-choked,
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  Speaker 1: and just devastating true crime cases in recent memory.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the murder of Rebecca Park.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. And we are pulling from a massive stack of
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  Speaker 1: source material for this. We're talking about a 130-page investigative report,
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  Speaker 1: arrest affidavits, hours of police body cam footage, and extensive
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  Speaker 1: local and national media coverage.
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  Speaker 2: It's a mountain of data to sift through.
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  Speaker 1: It really is. And we are going to look at
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  Speaker 1: the granular details of how investigators take a situation where, frankly,
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  Speaker 1: every single suspect is pointing the finger at someone else.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's just a circle of blame.
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  Speaker 1: Right. And we'll see how they slowly dismantle those lies
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  Speaker 1: using forensics, psychology, and just the sheer weight of physical evidence. So, OK,
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  Speaker 1: let's unpack this.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the goal today is really to examine the mechanics
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  Speaker 2: of deception. I mean, when a crime this intimate happens,
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  Speaker 2: the perpetrator's first instinct is almost always misguided. To flood
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  Speaker 2: the zone with noise.
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  Speaker 1: Just create chaos.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. Create chaos. So we are going to break down
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  Speaker 2: how detectives filter out that noise-like, how they differentiate between
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  Speaker 2: the frantic lies of a guilty conscience and the cold,
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  Speaker 2: calculated misdirection of a predator.
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  Speaker 1: Right. And to even comprehend the mechanics of those lies,
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  Speaker 1: we have to, like, map out this incredibly fraught family
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  Speaker 1: dynamic that really set the stage for this tragedy.
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  Speaker 2: Because it always starts at home, doesn't it?
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  Speaker 1: Almost always. This isn't a case of a random attacker
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  Speaker 1: jumping out of the bushes. The danger was literally already
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  Speaker 1: sitting at the dinner table. So Rebecca Park and her
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  Speaker 1: younger sister, Kimberly, were adopted by the Park family when
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  Speaker 1: they were children.
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  Speaker 2: Right. So they had a stable adoptive family.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. But they grew up separated from their biological mother,
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  Speaker 1: Courtney Bartham-Aliu. But recently, Courtney and her husband, Brad, who
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  Speaker 1: is Rebecca's biological stepfather, they had basically forced their way
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  Speaker 1: back into the girls' lives.
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  Speaker 2: And that reunification process, I mean, that is a massive
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  Speaker 2: red flag in the context of behavioral profiling.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, really? Just the act of reconnecting?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. When biological parents re-enter the picture after a
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  Speaker 2: long absence, it often creates this very turbulent honeymoon phase.
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  Speaker 2: The children, even as adults, they carry this deep-seated vulnerability.
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  Speaker 1: Like they just want their mom to love them.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. It's a primal desire for maternal connection. And a
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  Speaker 2: predatory individual can very easily weaponize that vulnerability. They use
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  Speaker 2: overwhelming affection to just bypass the victim's natural defense mechanisms.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, wow. And the timeline of November really shows that
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  Speaker 1: weaponized affection in overdrive. Let's look at the first few
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  Speaker 1: days of the month. So on Saturday, November 1st, Rebecca, who, again,
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  Speaker 1: is 38 to 39 weeks pregnant, so her due date
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  Speaker 1: is basically yesterday, goes with her sister Kimberly to Courtney
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  Speaker 1: and Brad's house in Boone Township for dinner.
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  Speaker 2: So she's right on the verge of giving birth. Right.
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  Speaker 1: And then two days later, Tuesday, November 3rd, Rebecca is
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  Speaker 1: reportedly hanging out with Courtney again. They are out getting milkshakes.
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  Speaker 1: They are actively planning a baby shower.
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  Speaker 2: It sounds so normal, so domestic.
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  Speaker 1: It does. But then the very next day, November 4th,
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  Speaker 1: Kimberly calls the Wexford County Sheriff's Office to report Rebecca missing.
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  Speaker 2: And the speed of that escalation is just breathtaking. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you go from milkshakes and baby shower planning to... to
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  Speaker 2: a missing persons report in under 24 hours.
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  Speaker 1: Whiplash.
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  Speaker 2: It really is. And this is the exact moment the
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  Speaker 2: police encounter the first layer of this manufactured narrative.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Because Courtney provides this incredibly detailed, highly specific alibi
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  Speaker 1: to Kimberly, who then relays it to the police. So
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  Speaker 1: according to Courtney, Rebecca had come over to her house
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  Speaker 1: because she urgently needed Tide Pods to watch baby clothes.
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  Speaker 2: Ah, the nesting instinct.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. She was nesting. And Courtney claims they were
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  Speaker 1: having a great time, and she was actually just about
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  Speaker 1: to hand Rebecca an envelope containing $ 2, 000 in cash to
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  Speaker 1: help with the new baby.
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  Speaker 2: $ 2, 000? Just lying around in an envelope?
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  Speaker 1: Right. But then, out of nowhere, Rebecca supposedly says, wait,
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  Speaker 1: someone is coming to give me a ride. And Courtney
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  Speaker 1: claims Rebecca then walks out, gets into a mysterious black
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  Speaker 1: Chevy Malibu, and just vanishes. Yeah. And Courtney says she
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  Speaker 1: couldn't see the driver.
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  Speaker 2: Let's pull that statement apart, because honestly, It is a
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  Speaker 2: master class in manipulative storytelling.
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  Speaker 1: It really feels rehearsed.
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  Speaker 2: Completely. The specific inclusion of the tie pods and the
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  Speaker 2: nesting behavior, that is designed to paint a picture of
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  Speaker 2: domestic tranquility. It tells the police, look how normal we
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  Speaker 2: were being. We were doing laundry. But the inclusion of
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  Speaker 2: the $ 2, 000 in cash, that is the most telling detail here.
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  Speaker 1: See, I look at the two grand and it strikes
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  Speaker 1: me as totally overkill. Like a biological mother who has
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  Speaker 1: barely been in the picture suddenly handing over a thick
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  Speaker 1: envelope of cash. It feels less like a motherly gesture
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  Speaker 1: and more like a desperate attempt by Courtney to make
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  Speaker 1: herself look like the ultimate benefactor.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's like a Trojan horse of maternal support.
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  Speaker 1: Are we really supposed to believe the cash actually existed,
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  Speaker 1: or is this just Courtney trying to buy an alibi?
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  Speaker 2: It is almost certainly the latter, and it's serving a
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  Speaker 2: dual purpose. First, like you said, it establishes Courtney as
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  Speaker 2: a Loving, supportive figure. I mean, why would she harm
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  Speaker 2: the person she was just about to generously fund?
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  Speaker 1: Right. It deflects suspicion.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. But second, it introduces a potential alternative motive for
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  Speaker 2: a phantom attacker. By mentioning a large sum of cash,
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  Speaker 2: Courtney is subtly planting a seed for investigators. She's saying, hey,
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  Speaker 2: maybe this mysterious driver robbed Rebecca for the money.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, wow. I didn't even think about that. Which brings
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  Speaker 1: us to the getaway vehicle, right? The black Chevy Malibu.
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  Speaker 2: The phantom car. Yeah. In criminology, we see this constantly.
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  Speaker 2: When a suspect needs to invent an abduction, they almost
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  Speaker 2: always choose a vehicle that is statistically ubiquitous, but entirely forgettable.
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  Speaker 1: Like a common color and make.
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  Speaker 2: Right. A black Chevy Manabu, a silver Honda Civic, a
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  Speaker 2: white Ford F-150. It gives law enforcement a ghost to chase.
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  Speaker 2: It forces patrol officers to waste thousands of man hours
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  Speaker 2: pulling over every black sedan in the Tri-County area.
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  Speaker 1: Just running plates and checking alibis for days.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. It is a calculated smoke screen, and it's designed
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  Speaker 2: to buy the perpetrator time to clean up, to get
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  Speaker 2: their story straight, or, you know, to disclose of evidence.
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  Speaker 1: But how do investigators actually bust a lie like that?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you can't just tell a grieving mother, hey,
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  Speaker 1: we think you made up the car. You have to
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  Speaker 1: actually prove the car wasn't there.
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  Speaker 2: You do. And you prove it through the concept of
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  Speaker 2: negative evidence. We live in an era of constant surveillance.
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  Speaker 2: If a car drives down a rural road to pick
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  Speaker 2: someone up, It leaves a digital and physical wake.
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  Speaker 1: Like cameras and stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. Investigators immediately start pulling ring doorbell footage from neighboring houses.
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  Speaker 2: They request cellular tower dumps for the area to see
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  Speaker 2: if any unknown devices ping the tower nearest Courtney's house
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  Speaker 2: at that specific time. Oh, right. They check automated license
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  Speaker 2: plate readers, ALPRs, at major intersections leading into Boone Township.
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  Speaker 2: And when you pull all that data and you find
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  Speaker 2: absolutely zero trace of a black Chevy Malibu, entering or
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  Speaker 2: leaving that grid, the absence of evidence becomes evidence of deception.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. So the digital footprint proves the physical lie.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: But, you know, it took weeks for the fragile lies
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  Speaker 1: told by the family to completely collapse. And it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: a cell phone ping that finally broke the case open.
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  Speaker 1: It was a discovery in the woods on November 25th.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, a very dark day.
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  Speaker 1: Very. This is the moment a missing person search just
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  Speaker 1: morphs into a homicide investigation. So Rebecca's biological father and
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  Speaker 1: her half-brother are out searching federal forest property. roughly two
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  Speaker 1: and a half miles down a dirt two-track road from
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  Speaker 1: Courtney's house, and they find her body hidden beneath freshly
• 9:01
  Speaker 1: overturned leaves.
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  Speaker 2: The geography of that dump site is so crucial to understand.
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  Speaker 1: How so?
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  Speaker 2: Well, two and a half miles down a dirt two-track
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  Speaker 2: is not a place you just stumble upon by accident.
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  Speaker 2: It indicates a perpetrator who has an intimate familiarity with
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  Speaker 2: the local terrain.
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  Speaker 1: Like they've been there before.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. They knew the roads that wouldn't have traffic. They
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  Speaker 2: knew the areas without game cameras. the places where the
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  Speaker 2: ground would be soft enough to disturb.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, that makes sense. And there is a detail at
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  Speaker 1: this crime scene that just completely derails the narrative. Right
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  Speaker 1: at the edge of the trail, near the body, the
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  Speaker 1: biological father finds a debit card.
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  Speaker 2: Ah, yes. The debit card.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it is placed perfectly under a single fresh leaf,
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  Speaker 1: almost like it was meant to be found, but still technically, like, hidden.
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  Speaker 1: And the police run the name on the card. It
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  Speaker 1: belongs to a man who used to date Rebecca's younger sister, Kimberly. Right.
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  Speaker 1: But here's the problem for the killers. That man was
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  Speaker 1: currently sitting in a state prison.
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  Speaker 2: It is literally the physical manifestation of the black chevy
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  Speaker 2: malibu it is planted evidence plain and simple but hold on.
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  Speaker 1: You're calling this a calculated misdirection but leaving the debit
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  Speaker 1: card of a guy who is currently locked up in
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  Speaker 1: a state penitentiary is honestly incredibly stupid It is very stupid, yes. Right.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it takes a detective five seconds to run
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  Speaker 1: the name through the system and see the guy has
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  Speaker 1: a rock-solid alibi courtesy of the Department of Corrections. This
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  Speaker 1: doesn't look like a calculated move by a mastermind. It
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  Speaker 1: looks like a frantic panic move by someone with a
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  Speaker 1: very low IQ. Are we giving these killers too much
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  Speaker 1: credit by calling it calculated?
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  Speaker 2: You know, that is a phenomenal distinction to make. We
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  Speaker 2: really have to separate the intent of the staging from
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  Speaker 2: the execution of the staging.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, what do you mean?
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  Speaker 2: You are absolutely right that the execution is catastrophically stupid.
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  Speaker 2: But the intent still demonstrates premeditation. Think about the cognitive
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  Speaker 2: load required to commit a murder. Your adrenaline is spiking.
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  Speaker 2: Your heart rate is at 150 beats per minute. You
• 10:59
  Speaker 2: are experiencing intense tunnel vision.
• 11:02
  Speaker 1: Just pure panic and chaos.
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  Speaker 2: Right. In the middle of that physiological chaos, to have
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  Speaker 2: the presence of mind to bring a prop, to carefully
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  Speaker 2: place it under a leaf near the trail, that requires forethought.
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  Speaker 2: It means that before the violence even started, they were
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  Speaker 2: already thinking about how to frame someone else.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, wow. I see what you mean.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the fact that they chose a terrible patsy doesn't
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  Speaker 2: negate the fact that they planned a frame-up.
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  Speaker 1: That is so chilling. And that makes the horror of
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  Speaker 1: what comes next even worse, because they planned for it.
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  Speaker 1: Let's look at the autopsy findings from Dr. Christine James
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  Speaker 1: at Western Michigan University. This is where the sheer brutality
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  Speaker 1: of the crime comes into sharp focus.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the details here are very tough to hear.
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  Speaker 1: They really are. The medical examiner cataloged six sharp force wounds, stabs,
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  Speaker 1: and slices to Rebecca's back, neck, and face. And one
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  Speaker 1: of the wounds to her back was so deep it
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  Speaker 1: penetrated the right lung lobe, causing a massive pneumothorax.
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  Speaker 2: We need to explain what a pneumothorax actually does to
• 12:00
  Speaker 2: a human body, because it really speaks to the agonizing
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  Speaker 2: final moments of the victim.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, please break that down.
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  Speaker 2: So when a blade breaches the chest wall and punctures
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  Speaker 2: a lung, air escapes from the lung into the pleural cavities.
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  Speaker 2: That's the space between the lung and the chest wall.
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  Speaker 2: As that air pressure builds, it literally crushes the lung,
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  Speaker 2: causing it to collapse. So the victim is struggling to
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  Speaker 2: pull in oxygen, but the lung just can't expand. They're
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  Speaker 2: effectively suffocating while simultaneously bleeding out from the vascular damage.
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  Speaker 2: It is a frantic experience. terrifying way to die.
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  Speaker 1: God, that is horrible. And that level of chaos, stabbing
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  Speaker 1: someone in the face, the neck, the back, it feels
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  Speaker 1: deeply personal. It's frenzied.
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  Speaker 2: It is very frenzied.
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  Speaker 1: But then the medical examiner finds something else that completely
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  Speaker 1: contradicts that frenzy. Rebecca's abdomen had been sliced open while
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  Speaker 1: she was still alive. Her uterus was breached and her
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  Speaker 1: baby boy was forcibly removed. And the baby is completely
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  Speaker 1: missing from the scene and based on the trauma and
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  Speaker 1: the environment, presumed dead.
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  Speaker 2: And this is where forensic psychologists really earn their keep.
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  Speaker 2: because you have two entirely different behavioral signatures present on
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  Speaker 2: the exact same body. How do you mean? Well, the
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  Speaker 2: sharp force trauma to the face and neck is what
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  Speaker 2: we call an overkill signature. It is emotionally fueled. It's sloppy.
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  Speaker 2: It's driven by rage or panic. It's the hallmark of
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  Speaker 2: an interpersonal dispute that escalated to lethal violence. But the
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  Speaker 2: extraction of the fetus is the exact opposite of that.
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  Speaker 1: Right, because breaching a uterus isn't like cutting through butter.
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  Speaker 1: It requires physical leverage, specific intent, and a lot of time.
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  Speaker 2: Precisely. It is a grueling, anatomically difficult process, especially with
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  Speaker 2: improvised tools in a non-clinical setting in the woods. To
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  Speaker 2: pause the frenzy of a stabbing attack, pivot to a
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  Speaker 2: crude surgical extraction, and then successfully remove the infant, that
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  Speaker 2: required a terrifying singularity of purpose.
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  Speaker 1: It's so cold-blooded.
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  Speaker 2: It tells investigators that the baby wasn't collateral damage. The
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  Speaker 2: baby was the primary objective. The rage was directed at
• 14:01
  Speaker 2: the mother, but the calculation was directed at the child.
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  Speaker 1: The objective was extraction. That is just, wow. So if
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  Speaker 1: we know the what and the how, we have to
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  Speaker 1: figure out the why. And to understand the motive, we
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  Speaker 1: have to map out a relationship dynamic that is so twisted,
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  Speaker 1: so profoundly toxic, it honestly almost defies belief.
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  Speaker 2: It's a very tangled web.
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  Speaker 1: Let's introduce the rest of the cast of characters operating
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  Speaker 1: in this family's orbit.
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  Speaker 2: Because the forensics gave the investigator the timeline, right? Now,
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  Speaker 2: the psychological warfare... Begins to establish the motive.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. So let's start with Rich Fowler. He is Rebecca's
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  Speaker 1: fiance and the father of the baby she was carrying.
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  Speaker 1: But Rich comes with immense baggage. He is a registered
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  Speaker 1: sex offender with five separate convictions dating all the way
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  Speaker 1: back to 2003, including criminal sexual conduct.
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  Speaker 2: Which is a huge red flag on its own.
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  Speaker 1: Huge. And then we have Brad Barthamali, the stepfather. He
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: is 48 years old, has a rap sheet a mile long,
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  Speaker 1: including forgery and larceny, And he is also a registered
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  Speaker 1: sex offender with convictions in 2011 and 2017.
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  Speaker 2: Unbelievable.
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  Speaker 1: And he apparently splits his time between living in a
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  Speaker 1: tent in the woods in Harrietta and staying at the
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  Speaker 1: house with Courtney.
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  Speaker 2: Look at the structural foundation of this family for a second.
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  Speaker 2: You have two adult men, both with documented, adjudicated histories
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  Speaker 2: of predatory sexual behavior deeply embedded in the daily lives
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  Speaker 2: of these young women.
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  Speaker 1: It's a nightmare.
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  Speaker 2: That alone creates an environment that is completely devoid of
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  Speaker 2: normal boundaries for safety.
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  Speaker 1: And devoid of boundaries is like the understatement of the
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  Speaker 1: century when you look at the overlapping secret affairs the
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: investigators uncovered. According to the case files, Rich, the fiance
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: of the victim, was allegedly having a secret ongoing sexual
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: affair with Courtney, the victim's biological mother.
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  Speaker 2: Let's sink in.
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  Speaker 1: I know. Courtney actually told detectives she was actively planning
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: to divorce Brad so she could run away with Rich.
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: But when that affair fizzled out, Rich went right back
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  Speaker 1: to Rebecca. And it gets worse.
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  Speaker 2: Because it always does in this case.
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  Speaker 1: Yep. Investigators discovered that Rich was also carrying on a
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: side relationship with Rebecca's younger sister, Kimberly.
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  Speaker 2: The psychological manipulation required to maintain that web of deception
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  Speaker 2: is just staggering. Rich is simultaneously involved with the victim,
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  Speaker 2: the victim's mother, and the victim's sister. He is triangulating
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  Speaker 2: these women against each other.
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  Speaker 1: Creating all this drama.
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Creating an atmosphere of intense competition, jealousy, and paranoia.
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: When I look at this dynamic, I don't even see
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: a family. I see a powder keg. Every single person
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: in this web has a secret, and every single person
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: has a motive for murder.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: They all have a reason.
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: Right. And the investigative report outlines a few primary theories. So,
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: theory one. Courtney was obsessed with the idea of having
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: a new baby, but because she was married to Brad,
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: a two-time registered sex offender state agencies would never legally
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: allow her to adopt or foster... So she decides to
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: forcibly take her own daughter's child.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: A surrogate by force.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: Basically. Theory two. It's a twisted revenge plot between the
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: two men. Rich allegedly reported Brad to the authorities for
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: a registry violation, and Brad wanted to utterly destroy Rich
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: by taking the one thing he cared about, his unborn child.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: Retaliation.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And then theory three. Courtney drops a bomb and
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: claims that Brad actually fathered Rebecca's baby, not Rich.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, it is a labyrinth of pathological jealousy. When
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: a detective sits down to interrogate suspects in a matrix
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: like this, they aren't just trying to solve a murder.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: They're trying to untangle decades of resentment and sexual betrayal.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: But how do you even start? If you pull Brad
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: into a room, you know he's going to lie to
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: protect himself and probably try to frame Rich because he
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: hates him. If you pull Courtney in, she's going to lie.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: They all have reasons to frame each other. As an investigator,
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: how do you find a baseline of truth when the
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: very concept of truth doesn't even exist in this family?
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: The short answer is you don't try to find their
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: baseline of truth. You don't?
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: No. Yeah.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: You use a strategy that is brutally effective in these
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: specific scenarios. You let the snakes eat each other.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: Oh, I like the sound of that. Explain the mechanics
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: of that. It sounds like game theory.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: It is exactly game theory. It's a real-world application of
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: the prisoner's dilemma. When you are dealing with a group
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: of highly compromised suspects who harbor deep-seated grudges against one another,
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: you don't need to employ aggressive confrontational interrogation tactics.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: So no good cop, bad cop.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: Not necessarily. You just isolate them. You put them in
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: separate windowless rooms. And then you become a conduit of paranoia.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: You walk into Brad's room and you say, look, Brad,
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: Courtney is in the other room right now. And she
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: is putting this entire thing on you. She says you
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: held the knife.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: And you don't even have to prove it.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: You don't even have to prove it. You just plant
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: the seed.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: You weaponize their own lack of trust.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Because these people have spent years betraying each other,
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: they immediately believe the other person is selling them out.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: They are bound together by the crime, but their instinct
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: for self-preservation is much stronger than their loyalty. You don't
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: have to drag a confession out of them. You just
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: sit back and watch them weaponize the truth against each
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: other in a race to secure a plea deal.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: Wow. Which brings us perfectly to the body cam footage
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: from November 25th, the day the body is found. We
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: get to watch this psychological pressure cooker explode in real time.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: It is fascinating to watch. It is.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: So put yourself in the living room of Brad and
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: Courtney's house. Police have just arrived. Crime scene technicians in
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: Tyvek suits are preparing to process the home for biological evidence.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: The police have just informed Courtney that her pregnant daughter
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: was found murdered in the woods.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: And this is where you'd expect just Utter devastation.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: Right. But what is Courtney doing? She is sitting on
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: her couch, casually scrolling through TikTok on her phone, reading
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: social media updates aloud to the officers.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: In behavioral analysis, we look for what is called inappropriate affect.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: Her emotional response is entirely incongruous with the stimuli of reality.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she doesn't seem to care at all.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: A mother who just learned her daughter and grandchild were
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: butchered should be in a state of catatonic shock or
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: hysterical grief.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: Instead, she is annoyed. She actually starts complaining to the
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: police about how long the crime scene texts are going
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: to take. She wants them out of her living room.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: And then she drops this genuinely chilling line on camera.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: She demands the cops hurry up because she and Brian
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: need to go buy cigarettes. And she says, quote, otherwise,
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: somebody is going to die.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: It is a breathtaking display of narcissistic sociopathy.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: Over cigarettes.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: Yes. She is treating a double homicide investigation like a
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: minor administrative delay. that is interfering with her nicotine habit.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: She is entirely incapable of centering anyone's experience but her own.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: And Brad is sitting right next to her on the couch,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: looking like he wants to just melt into the floorboards.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: He knows what's coming.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. The detectives recognize the tension, they split them up,
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: and the finger-pointing begins instantly. Let's look at Brad's evolution
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: in the interrogation room. First, they hook Brad up to
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: a polygraph. And he fails it spectacularly.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: And we should clarify how that tool is actually used.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's not admissible in court.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: Exactly. A polygraph doesn't detect lies. It detects physiological arousal.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: So changes in heart rate, blood pressure, respiration, and galvanic
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: skin response, which is basically how much you sweat. Detectives
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: establish a baseline with control questions and then hit the
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: suspect with the relevant questions about the murder.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: And Brad just spikes.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: Right. When Brad spikes on the murder questions... The detective
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: doesn't use it as scientific proof. They use it as
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: a psychological club. They walk back into the room and say,
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: the machine says you're lying, Brad. The science knows you
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: were there. Now, why were you there?
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: And that club works because Brad's story immediately shifts. Initially,
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: he tries to blame Courtney and Rich, claiming they teamed
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: up to kill Rebecca so they could finally be together.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: But the detectives press him, using the physical evidence from
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: the woods to lock him in.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: They box him into a corner.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: Yep. He finally admits he was at the dump site,
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: but he uses this classic minimization technique. He claims he
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: was just sitting in the truck, and Courtney suddenly, without warning,
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: grabbed a knife and started stabbing Rebecca in the chest.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: Ah, passing the buck.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: Exactly. Brad claims he was so terrified he jumped out
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: of the truck and ran away. He tells detectives it
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: was Courtney who meticulously cut the baby out, put the
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: infant in a soft-sided cooler, and dumped it in a
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: trash can.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Look at the architecture of his confession there. He admits
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: to presence, which he has to do because he knows
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: his phone probably pinged the towers, or his tire tracks
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: are in the mud.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Right, he can't deny it was there.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: No, but he entirely removes his agency. He paints himself
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: as a passive, helpless witness to his wife's sudden, unpredictable violence.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: It's a calculated attempt to downgrade his culpability from first-degree
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: murder to perhaps accessory after the fact.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: But then you walk down the hall and listen to
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Courtney's interrogation and she flips the script completely.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: Of course she does.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: She claims Brad was the mastermind. She says Brad killed
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Rebecca as a revenge plot against Rich. She tells detectives
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: that Brad came to her covered in blood and said,
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: I slid her effing throat. Rich deserved it too. And
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: it just happened to be your daughter that's going to
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: pay for it.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: It's incredibly dramatic.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Very. But Courtney has a massive problem. The physical evidence
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: on her is too strong. She eventually breaks down and
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: admits she was the one holding the blade. She admits
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: she used a medical scalpel to cut the baby out
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: of Rebecca's abdomen.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: And how does she justify that horrific admission?
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Okay, this is the most disturbing part of the entire file.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: She claims she did it at Rebecca's request.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: Unbelievable.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: I know. She tells detectives that after Brad fatally attacked Rebecca,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Rebecca was bleeding out and begged Courtney to save the baby.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: Courtney claims the crude C-section was actually an act of
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: heroic medical intervention.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, it is medically, logistically, and logically absurd. But
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: it highlights her desperate, pathological need to reframe herself.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: She wants to be the hero. Yes.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: She cannot accept the reality of being a butcher, so
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: her brain constructs a fantasy where an act of unimaginable
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: torture is actually a selfless act of maternal heroism. She
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: is trying to sell the jury a narrative where she
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: is the savior of the story, not the villain.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: It's sickening. But the fatal flaw in both of their
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: stories is the cover-up. Rad eventually breaks just enough to
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: give the police tangible evidence. He leads detectives to a
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: GFL commercial dumpster at an apartment complex where Courtney used
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: to live.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Which is a huge mistake on his part.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: Right. He admits on body cam that he took Courtney's
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: five-inch hunting knife, the murder weapon, and threw it into
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: that specific dumpster a couple of days after the killing.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: And that admission is the kill shot for his defense.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Wait, I want to explore the legal reality of this.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: Put yourself in the prosecutor's shoes for a second. You
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: have two suspects. They both admit they were in the woods.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: They both admit they participated in the aftermath. Courtney admits
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: to the extraction. Brad admits to disposing of the motor weapon.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: But they are deadlocked on who actually plunged the knife
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: in first. If you can't definitively prove whose hand was
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: on the hilt of the weapon for the fatal blow,
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: how do you secure a murder conviction? Doesn't that create
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: reasonable doubt for both of them?
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: It would, yeah, if it weren't for one of the
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: most powerful tools in the prosecutor's arsenal. The felony murder rule.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: Oh, break that down for us. How does felony murder
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: bypass the who held the knife problem?
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: The felony murder rule exists for this exact scenario. It
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: dictates that if a death occurs during the commission of
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: a dangerous underlying felony like kidnapping, unlawful imprisonment or torture,
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: every single person who participated in that underlying felony is
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: equally culpable for the resulting murder.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: OK, so it doesn't matter who did the stabbing.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: Exactly. The law recognizes that by participating in the kidnapping
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: and the torture of Rebecca, both Brad and Courtney set
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: into motion a chain of events that resulted in her death.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: So the specific division of labor doesn't matter.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: Precisely. The prosecutor doesn't have to prove beyond a reasonable
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: doubt that Brad swung the knife or that Courtney swung
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: the knife. The prosecutor just has to prove they acted
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: in concert to kidnap and torture her. Wow. By admitting
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: they were present, by admitting they hid the weapon, by
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: admitting they performed the extractions, they've essentially confessed to the
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: underlying felonies. They thought they were saving themselves by blaming
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: the other for the lethal blow, but legally they were
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: just weaving their own nooses.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: They outsmarted themselves right into a life sentence.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: Pretty much.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: But while Brad and Courtney are playing this high-stakes game
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: of prisoner's dilemma in the interrogation rooms, there is another
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: family member actively, intentionally sabotaging the investigation from the outside.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: We have to talk about the younger sister, Kimberly.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: Yes. This aspect of the case is a terrifying look
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: at how modern true crime culture and social media algorithms
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: intersect with real world police work.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: It really is. Kimberly's deception is staggering in its scope. Remember,
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: she is the one who originally called the police to
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: report Rebecca missing. In her initial interviews, she points the
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: finger directly at Courtney and Brad.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: She tells detectives a highly detailed story. She claims Courtney
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: and Brad got into an argument with Rebecca, hit her
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: on the head, which caused a fetal seizure. And then
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: panicked and hid the body. But then, a few days later,
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: her story violently pivots and she starts accusing Rich, the fiancé,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: of the murder.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Just completely changing lanes.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Yep. And she doesn't just tell the police these lies.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: She broadcasts them to the world.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: The social media circus begins.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Exactly. Kimberly starts going on TikTok Live. She is sitting
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: in her bedroom, broadcasting to an audience of thousands of
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: true crime junkies, floating completely baseless, wild theories.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's so dangerous.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: At one point, she claims Rebecca isn't even dead, that
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: the body in the woods is a fake, and Rebecca
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: is actually on a secret bus to Tennessee to have
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: the baby in hiding.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: Just absolute fiction.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Absolute fiction. And the misinformation goes viral. It gets so loud.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: And the digital sleuths start harassing so many people that
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: the Wexford County Sheriff's Department has to take the unprecedented step.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: of issuing a formal public statement begging the internet to
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: stop hindering their homicide investigation.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: And you have to think about the logistical drain that
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: puts on a rural sheriff's department.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't have endless resources.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Not at all. Every time a TikTok video goes viral
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: claiming Rebecca was seen at a gas station in Tennessee,
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: the police have a legal obligation to run down that lead.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: They have to call local authorities in Tennessee, pull gas
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: station security footage, and interview witnesses, all while knowing it's
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: likely a lie.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: That is so frustrating.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: It is. Kimberly is single handedly burning through thousands of
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: dollars of taxpayer resources and distracting detectives from processing the
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: actual crime scene.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: And it culminates in this incredible piece of body cam footage.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Detective Peace Corps, who is a seasoned investigator, finally corners
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: Kimberly outside a residence and he doesn't play games.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: He's had enough.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. He confronts her about her secret romantic relationship
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: with Rich. He realizes that Kimberly is constantly changing her
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: story because she's trying to protect Rich and frame whoever
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Rich is currently mad at.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: Which is just wild.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: Pressure mounts, and finally Kimberly snaps and admits it. She
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: confesses on camera that she intentionally fabricated the stories about Courtney, Brad,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: and the Tennessee bus to cover for Rich because they
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: had a plan to be together once the dust settled.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: The arrogance is astounding.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: It really is. And the moment she admits she lied
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: to investigators... Detective Peace Corps doesn't hesitate for a single second.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: He says, put your hands behind your back. She is
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: immediately spun around, handcuffed, read her Miranda rights, and charged
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: with tampering with evidence and lying to a police officer
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: during a felony investigation.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: It's a phenomenal reality check.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: I look at Kimberly's TikTok antics and it's like she
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: was throwing a smoke grenade into an active crime scene
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: just to watch the views tick up on her screen.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: Why does the modern true crime obsession on social media
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: so often result in people actively obstructing justice? Do they
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: just not realize the laws apply to them?
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: It's a toxic mix of parasocial relationships and the gamification
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: of tragedy.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: Explain that.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: Well, we live in an era where horrific events are
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: instantly transformed into content. For someone like Kimberly, who is
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: adjacent to the tragedy, TikTok offers a perverse incentive structure.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: The more wild her theories, the more views she gets.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: So the algorithm is rewarding her lies.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: The algorithm rewards her obstruction, yes. She begins to view
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: the murder of her sister not as a real-world horror,
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: but as a narrative where she gets to play the
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: main character and the lead detective simultaneously.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: Wow, that's dark.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: It is. She gets so caught up in the digital
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: validation of strangers in her comment section that she completely
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: dissociates from the severe, tangible, legal reality. She thought she
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: was playing an interactive game on her phone, She ended
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: up in the back of a squad car facing years
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: in a state penitentiary.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: A brutal collision with reality.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: Very much so.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: And with Brad, Courtney, and Kimberly all in handcuffs, we
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: have to turn to the final piece of this puzzle.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: The man standing at the center of the twisted love web,
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Rich Fowler.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: Rich was initially arrested on suspicion of murder. We know
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: from the reports that he took a polygraph and failed it.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: But failing a polygraph, as we discussed, is not admissible
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: in court as proof of guilt. It's an investigative tool. Right.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: When you look at the physical evidence, the cell tower pings,
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: the location of the knife, the confessions, the forensic arrows
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: point overwhelmingly toward Brad and Courtney.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: Exactly. Rich was never officially charged with Rebecca's death. But
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: law enforcement was not about to let a registered sex
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: offender with his history just walk away clean from this mess.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't think so.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: They dug into his background and arrested him on a
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: slew of other charges. He was hit with a sex
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: offender registry violation. two felony counts of meth delivery, and
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: being a habitual offender. He posted a portion of a $ 25, 000
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: bond and was released back into the community.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: So he's out.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah. He is currently out on the streets, navigating his
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: own drug and registry cases, but legally cleared of the homicide.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: Which leaves Brad and Courtney to face the full, unmitigated
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: weight of the justice system.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: Let's break down the current legal status. Brad and Courtney
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: are both charged with first-degree murder, felony murder, torture and assault...
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: with intent to cause a miscarriage. If convicted, they face
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: mandatory life in prison without the possibility of parole.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: Good.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: But the trial hasn't happened yet. The defense is utilizing
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: a classic grinding strategy of delay. They are claiming they
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: haven't received the full scope of digital discovery from the prosecution.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: Typical move.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: Right. They have requested extensive mental competency evaluations to pause
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: the proceedings, arguing they need to determine if Brad and
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Courtney can even comprehend the charges against them. And most
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: agonizingly for the surviving family, the defense requested an independent
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: second autopsy to challenge the state's official cause of death.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's rough.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: Because of that request, Rebecca's remains cannot be released to
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: her family for a proper burial.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: The weaponization of the legal process is incredibly difficult for
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: families to endure.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: I want to focus on how the family is handling
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: that specific agony because it is honestly remarkable. You would
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: assume a mother would be fighting tooth and nail, screaming
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: at the judge to get her daughter's body back for
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: a funeral. But Stephanie, Rebecca's adoptive mother, has displayed a
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: level of grace and grounding in reality that is just heartbreaking.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: She isn't fighting the delayed release. She wants an airtight
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: conviction more than a funeral right now. She gave an
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: interview and said, quote, that body is not her. She's
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: up in heaven doing gardening. That body is just evidence.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: That's all that it is now.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: The psychological resilience required to compartmentalize that grief is astounding.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: It really is.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: Stephanie understands exactly the game the defense attorneys are playing.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: Defense teams use time and bureaucracy, you know, ordering independent
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: medical exams, filing endless motions for competency to intentionally cool
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: off the emotional heat of a fresh, horrific crime.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: So they're just waiting it out.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: Exactly. As months turn into years, witnesses forget details, public
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: outrage dies down, And physical evidence can degrade or be
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: challenged on technicalities. They want the family to demand a
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: speedy trial so the prosecution has to rush and make mistakes.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: Oh, I see.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: By viewing her daughter's physical remains strictly as a piece
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: of forensic evidence, Stephanie is completely neutralizing the defense's strategy.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: She is refusing to let them use her grief as leverage.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: She is staring them down. It is an incredible display
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: of strength in the face of pure evil. So we
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: are looking at the absolute tragedy of a 22-year-old mother
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: and her unborn baby boy lost to a web of jealousy, greed,
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: and unfathomable cruelty. They left a shattered family behind. The rumors,
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: the TikTok lies, the shifting alibis in the interrogation room.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: The noise in this case was incredibly thick.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: Very thick.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: But ultimately, the physical reality, a planted debit card under
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: a leaf, a discarded knife in a commercial dumpster, the
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: indisputable data of cell phone pings cut right through that noise.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: It is a stark reminder of how easily the truth
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: can be actively obscured by the people who are closest
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: to you. You know, the people society assumes will protect you.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: When the family dynamic is the source of the danger, objective,
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: methodical police work is the only antidote to the chaos.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: It really is. The forensic data doesn't care about your
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: family drama.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: And that leaves us with a profound, lingering question to
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: consider long after we wrap up today. Well, we live
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: in an era of Life 360. Constant GPS tracking, digital footprints,
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: and ring cameras on every porch. We assume technology solves
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: every crime. Yet, at its core, breaking this incredibly complex case...
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: relied on one of the oldest, most analog investigative techniques
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: in the history of law enforcement.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Putting them in a room.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Putting guilty people in a room and letting them
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: talk until their lies collapse under the weight of their
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: own paranoia. So as technology continues to map every second
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: of our lives, you have to wonder, will the fundamental
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: human element, guilt, jealousy, and the sheer biological inability to
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: keep a secret, always remain the ultimate downfall of criminals?
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: Or are we approaching a future where digital evidence entirely
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: replaces the need for the interrogation room?
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Think about the mechanics of that. I mean, even with
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: all the cell tower data in the world, the police
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: still needed Brad to crack and point them to the
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: dumpster to find the knife.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: The digital footprint points the way, but human frailty still
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: closes the case. The machinery of truth is never pristine
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: when you're dealing with human deception. You are always going
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: to have to wade through the mud.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: We just have to hope the investigators have the patience
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: to let the mud settle.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: Well said. Thanks for joining us on this deep dive.