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In Memoriam 2017 · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 4: Our nuclear reactor pumping out.
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  Speaker 5: One million kilowatts of power.
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  Speaker 6: Five more cooling in the containment chamber. To your stations,
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  Speaker 6: we have a rebound.
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  Speaker 2: There's this whimsical today. He was a friend of mine.
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  Speaker 7: What's up and welcome to Movie Meltdown. I'm Brian.
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  Speaker 8: I'm Lucy.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Beau.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Fred.
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  Speaker 7: And we're coming to you live via digital recording from
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  Speaker 7: Empty Nest Studios.
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  Speaker 8: Aww.
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  Speaker 2: You named it. Did I?
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  Speaker 7: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 6: I say things.
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  Speaker 7: We covered this last time.
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  Speaker 3: It's appropriate to start on a downer note.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, we really do, because this has become an annual
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  Speaker 7: event now.
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  Speaker 2: You know, the empty nest thing, though, is really good
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  Speaker 2: for us.
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  Speaker 8: It's good for us, too, because you provide us all
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  Speaker 8: kinds of food and coffee. You have a legitimate spread.
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  Speaker 2: I feel very parented. I went out, hung out with
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  Speaker 2: my kids yesterday. We get beers. My kids are both
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  Speaker 2: like adults now. We can go out drinking together, and
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  Speaker 2: we do.
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  Speaker 9: Yikes.
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  Speaker 2: That's... That's, you know, I guess that's what you're shooting for,
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  Speaker 2: you know?
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  Speaker 7: I guess. Or it's weird. I can't decide.
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  Speaker 2: It's probably weird, too.
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  Speaker 7: Being friends with your parents. I don't try that.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think that can come later as you're an adult.
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  Speaker 3: I think that you tend to be very adversarial with
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  Speaker 3: your parents a lot as a teenager. But I think
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  Speaker 3: once you get older, suddenly you realize, man, all that
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  Speaker 3: stuff I hated my mom and dad for, there was
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  Speaker 3: a certain degree of sense to it.
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  Speaker 2: You know, with me.
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  Speaker 2: I was scared to have kids for a long time.
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  Speaker 2: I would have had kids sooner, but I never thought
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  Speaker 2: I'd get married or anything like that. But I was
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  Speaker 2: such a problematic kid. My parents always said, you're going
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  Speaker 2: to grow up and have kids and they're going to
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  Speaker 2: be just like you.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 8: That's why I'm not doing it.
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  Speaker 2: Not at all. And I thought they were right, but
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  Speaker 2: it skips a generation.
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  Speaker 7: It's so unfair. You've warned your children, right? Oh, my
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  Speaker 7: kids are great, man. They're in trouble.
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  Speaker 2: They're so easy.
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  Speaker 7: They're going to get your demon seed.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, and that's so unfair, but I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I didn't make the rules.
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  Speaker 7: All right, so, yeah, this has become an annual tradition,
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  Speaker 7: and for a while it was... really popular and so
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  Speaker 7: this year i i threw it out there i was
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  Speaker 7: like do you guys still want it to has it
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  Speaker 7: become too depressing and so i i guess not i
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  Speaker 7: don't know i i like doing it as a tribute
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  Speaker 7: but it does get tiresome.
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  Speaker 3: After a while i think it's fun to kind of
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  Speaker 3: dying people well i think it's fun to sort of
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  Speaker 3: reminisce over careers and filmographies of actors that we.
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  Speaker 2: Sort of fell in love with yeah and celebrate them
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  Speaker 2: i mean everybody has different ways of dealing with death.
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  Speaker 2: For me, I want to be cremated and have my
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  Speaker 2: ashes scattered in Jeff Bridges' face. That can be a rain.
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  Speaker 3: Mine, I kind of go along with what Danny DeVito
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  Speaker 3: says in one of the episodes of A Silly Sunny
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  Speaker 3: in Philadelphia. He's like, yeah, just throw me in the trash.
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  Speaker 7: He's like, when I die, just toss me in the dumpster.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, I guess really it doesn't matter. We sometimes
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  Speaker 7: fool ourselves into thinking it does, but I don't know.
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  Speaker 7: I think that's the other thing that's become weirder as
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  Speaker 7: this process has gone on is in the beginning, it
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  Speaker 7: was a very abstract thing. And now having done this
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  Speaker 7: as many years as I have and have come in
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  Speaker 7: contact with as many people as I have, I now
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  Speaker 7: know half the people that keep dying, even if it's
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  Speaker 7: very minorly, even if it's just we've crossed paths. So
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  Speaker 7: that became part of my I was looking at the
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  Speaker 7: list and I was like, oh yeah, that happened. And
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  Speaker 7: then I was like, oh wait, that one too. So
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  Speaker 7: more than half of my list is people I actually
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  Speaker 7: met at some point. And that's weirder as time's gone on.
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  Speaker 7: So I don't know. That's become part.
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  Speaker 3: Of it too. I think too with the advent of
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  Speaker 3: the internet and social media, anytime even a very minor
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  Speaker 3: celebrity passes, everybody knows about it because they share it. Whereas,
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  Speaker 3: you know, what, 15 or so years ago and more,
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  Speaker 3: unless it was like a really big name that was
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  Speaker 3: going to be printed in the newspaper, a lot of
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  Speaker 3: folks wouldn't even know.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, you had to wait to the Oscars. Then you'd
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  Speaker 8: be like, what?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember that. When the Oscars come around, I'd
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  Speaker 3: be like, holy shit, when did so-and-so die?
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  Speaker 2: But now it's the other way around because people post
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  Speaker 2: somebody died and they died 10 years ago and haven't read.
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  Speaker 2: That's the headline.
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  Speaker 7: Wait, you're supposed to read those dates and stuff?
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  Speaker 3: And it's funny because when you mentioned to us, pick
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  Speaker 3: a few actors for each of us to talk about,
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  Speaker 3: I wanted to make sure I didn't forget anyone. So
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  Speaker 3: I started to type in died in 2017 into Google.
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  Speaker 3: And I just hit I'm feeling lucky, which is always interesting.
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  Speaker 3: And it gave me... Oh, God, who was it? It
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  Speaker 3: was someone who had passed like an 82.
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  Speaker 5: It was.
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  Speaker 3: Now it's going to drive me crazy. I can't remember
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  Speaker 3: who it was that it searched up, but it brought
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  Speaker 3: up an actor who died 25, you know, 35 years ago.
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  Speaker 3: It was odd.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot of clickbait on the topic, and you
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  Speaker 2: have to fight past that wall to start finding interesting things.
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  Speaker 2: I found, like, it was all slideshows. I don't want
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  Speaker 2: to go through a slideshow.
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  Speaker 7: I don't have patience for slideshows.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 7: I don't know. There's so many different options on the internet,
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  Speaker 7: most of which are annoying.
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  Speaker 3: And IMDB has a list, but it lists everyone. Somebody
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  Speaker 3: was second assistant director on this movie you've never heard of.
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  Speaker 7: Their job was important too, man. That became part of
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  Speaker 7: my process, was trying to pick out people in general,
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  Speaker 7: and that's why in years past, we did try to
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  Speaker 7: hit everyone or as many as we could obviously you
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  Speaker 7: can't get everyone but then we felt like we were
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  Speaker 7: specifically leaving people out and stuff like that so i
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  Speaker 7: think i last year we did it where we just
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  Speaker 7: picked a few and each of us kind of focused
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  Speaker 7: on that one and we moved on and then that's
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  Speaker 7: just who made it this year and you know you're
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  Speaker 7: all dead there's no prize so we'll see who we
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  Speaker 7: went with um the if we're gonna kick things off
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  Speaker 7: my first one is actually probably the most recognizable And
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  Speaker 7: because half the time we end up doing a lot
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  Speaker 7: of lesser known actors and whatnot. But this one, I
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  Speaker 7: think it struck me over some of the other bigger
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  Speaker 7: names just because I feel like it's one of those
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  Speaker 7: people that was a huge name, but not that many
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  Speaker 7: people know, not just that much about them, even their catalog,
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  Speaker 7: even their, this is a Jonathan Demme.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: And it's one of those, like, I heard somebody talking
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  Speaker 7: about him after he died. And they were kind of
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  Speaker 7: running down this list. And I'm like, you know, he's
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  Speaker 7: an Oscar winning director. He's one of the most, you know,
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  Speaker 7: for even people who marginally know about movies might recognize
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  Speaker 7: that name. I bet most people have not seen a
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  Speaker 7: fraction of what he's made. And he's one of those
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  Speaker 7: weird directors who had totally different modes. While he did
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  Speaker 7: sort of popular stuff there for a while, like, he's
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  Speaker 7: also one of the few that would do... documentaries, and
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  Speaker 7: would still do, you know, actual story based fictional stuff.
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  Speaker 7: And on top of that was really into music and
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  Speaker 7: did a ton of music based films as well. So that's,
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  Speaker 7: to me, it was just sort of a weird conglomeration
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  Speaker 7: of stuff that was just like more, the more you
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  Speaker 7: look at his list, it's like, yeah, everybody's seen Silence
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  Speaker 7: of the Lambs. And you know, Philadelphia got a lot
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  Speaker 7: of attention and you start going through these other things
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  Speaker 7: and it's like i haven't seen a lot of these
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  Speaker 7: so to me his his list was more like homework
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  Speaker 7: i'm just like i kind of want to go back
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  Speaker 7: and all these things that i missed over the years
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  Speaker 7: it's like just sort of check into because there's he's
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  Speaker 7: another the other one that kind of pushed it over
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  Speaker 7: the edge for me is i'm always thrilled with anybody
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  Speaker 7: who started off in the Corman camp. So anybody who
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  Speaker 7: started off just kind of doing drive-in kind of movies
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  Speaker 7: and graduated up, or even if you stayed at that level,
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  Speaker 7: but it's always more impressive, I guess, if you get
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  Speaker 7: to the point of Oscar winning director that at one
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  Speaker 7: point was, you know, making stuff that went straight to
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  Speaker 7: the drive-in for Roger Corman. So I was looking, yeah,
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  Speaker 7: those first few are like, um, like Crazy Mama and
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  Speaker 7: Caged Heat. So when you're making stuff like that, and
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  Speaker 7: then at some point they're handing you an Oscar, like
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  Speaker 7: that's pretty impressive.
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  Speaker 3: But when you hear people like him and Joe Dante
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  Speaker 3: and others that worked for Corman and then ended up
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  Speaker 3: getting a pretty decent career going, Roger Corman for a
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  Speaker 3: period was effectively like going to film school. Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 7: In the trenches.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, because he was making so much stuff so quick
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  Speaker 3: and kept a skeleton crew. You got trained in, you know, directing, editing, shooting,
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  Speaker 3: you know, all this sort of stuff. And even though
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  Speaker 3: it was like just schlock that went out and then
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  Speaker 3: two weeks later you're onto a new project, these directors
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  Speaker 3: that kind of went through that, that school, they ended
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  Speaker 3: up picking up just a lot of different skills that
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  Speaker 3: you don't really see in, you know, a lot of
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  Speaker 3: directors now.
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  Speaker 7: I think it's not, I mean, it can't be by
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  Speaker 7: accident because look at that list of people, but it
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  Speaker 7: is one of those that I've, I think we've kind
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  Speaker 7: of lost that period. That was at that weird turning
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  Speaker 7: point of film, and the world as a whole was changing,
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  Speaker 7: but definitely the film and the industry and the way
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  Speaker 7: the studios were doing things all kind of hit that
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  Speaker 7: weird point. So I think all those directors that came
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  Speaker 7: out of that are a really specific breed, and we
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  Speaker 7: don't have that weird little... We have tons of cheap
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  Speaker 7: movies being made now, but it's not the same camp
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  Speaker 7: that that driving kind of stuff was getting made in.
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  Speaker 1: You don't think there's a Joe Swanberg... like film school.
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  Speaker 1: Cause I feel like that's the thing.
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  Speaker 7: I think it's different. I think that's the thing. Cause
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  Speaker 7: I'm going to get to one of mine later that
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  Speaker 7: came out of, I think it then shifted and then
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  Speaker 7: it became like the nineties indie crowd is its own breed.
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  Speaker 7: And that was its own weird film school. And like,
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  Speaker 7: you learn that the hard way.
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  Speaker 3: So it's like, everybody either wanted to be Kevin Smith
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  Speaker 3: or Quentin Tarantino. You saw all those imitations of style
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  Speaker 3: after that.
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  Speaker 7: And now we have Joe Swanberg version. So it's like each, each,
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  Speaker 7: you know, generation and a half, it seems like it
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  Speaker 7: kind of kicks in again. And you're like, Oh, okay,
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  Speaker 7: we have to do this differently now.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like Corman was also sort of the start
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  Speaker 3: of that because prior to that, it was more just
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  Speaker 3: the studio system.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Because the studio system dissolved in, what was it? Late 50s,
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  Speaker 3: early 60s, somewhere around there-ish.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah. But at that point, you couldn't learn everything because
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  Speaker 7: it was such a system. Everyone had their job. You
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  Speaker 7: followed the rules. You followed the structures. So- It was
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  Speaker 7: rare that you see people really crossing over into a
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  Speaker 7: lot of different areas back then.
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  Speaker 3: You would have some that would kind of move up from, like,
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  Speaker 3: cinematography to director and stuff, but you wouldn't have the
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  Speaker 3: rotation of, like, actor to editor or something that Corman did.
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  Speaker 3: And you wouldn't be doing all of those.
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  Speaker 7: It's like you're not the now. You'd get years later
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  Speaker 7: where the technology would change and you'd have a guy
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  Speaker 7: who's composing the score and editing and the cinematographer. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 7: you couldn't do that in the giant studio system.
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  Speaker 6: So, I don't know.
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  Speaker 7: It all kind of changed so much. But, yeah. Jonathan
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  Speaker 7: Demme was one of those that took to it and
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  Speaker 7: was just such a weird focus. That was the other thing.
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  Speaker 7: I was looking through his list of music.
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  Speaker 2: Stop making sense.
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  Speaker 7: Most people will say that's at least arguably one of
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  Speaker 7: the best music-based films ever made. But aside from Talking Heads,
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  Speaker 7: it's like some of the newer ones. There's a Justin
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  Speaker 7: Timberlake one. There's also like a Kenny Chesney Disturbs me
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  Speaker 7: a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: Did he get a kidney chest knee?
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  Speaker 7: Did he get a kidney chest knee something? I have
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  Speaker 7: not thought about.
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  Speaker 2: Is he a country guy?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I think I was at a quick recall match where
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  Speaker 2: our kids couldn't. I think the question was him, and
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  Speaker 2: they didn't know any country, and I was so proud
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  Speaker 2: of them. Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: We're making progress. We're making progress.
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  Speaker 2: They lost, though.
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  Speaker 7: I was like, yeah. But all that run coming out
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  Speaker 7: of that, it was like New Order, UB40, UB40. Well,
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  Speaker 7: obviously Bruce Springsteen. He did the music video.
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  Speaker 2: For the movie.
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  Speaker 3: Philadelphia.
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  Speaker 7: And then the multiple Neil Young. He was just so
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  Speaker 7: into Neil Young that there's like three or four different
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  Speaker 7: documentaries over the years.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, did he do that one?
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  Speaker 3: The Heart of Gold.
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  Speaker 2: The one that... It was sort of a doo-wop thing.
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  Speaker 2: I'm wondering. Because I'm not a big fan of music videos,
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  Speaker 2: but I really liked that one. It was one of
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  Speaker 2: the only ones. And I told a friend of mine...
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  Speaker 2: I said, yeah, I like that video he did. It
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  Speaker 2: was Neil Young and some other guys, and they were
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  Speaker 2: doing this stop-action 50s doo-wop thing, and it was really cool.
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  Speaker 2: And he said, no, I don't think that was Neil Young.
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  Speaker 7: I'm like, yeah, it was Neil Young.
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  Speaker 2: His face is in the camera. I would have heard
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  Speaker 2: of it. And so, like, then 20 years later, they
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  Speaker 2: invented a World Wide Web. And I looked up that video,
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  Speaker 2: and it's like, yeah, and I just posted it on
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  Speaker 2: a site.
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  Speaker 7: See, I told you.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 2: People get so smug. I would have seen it. No,
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  Speaker 2: that's not Neil Young.
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  Speaker 7: And that was pre-internet.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. That was like back in the 90s.
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  Speaker 7: Think of the smugness now that that guy must have.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: So yeah, I don't want to go too far into
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  Speaker 7: any of these or we'll be here all day. But yeah,
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  Speaker 7: to me that was more of like a homework assignment.
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  Speaker 7: So anybody, go look at his list and I bet
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  Speaker 7: there's a lot of stuff you've never seen because I'm
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  Speaker 7: on that. I'm in that boat. So yeah, go find
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  Speaker 7: some new stuff from demi yeah all right how do
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  Speaker 7: we want to go oh yeah well i'll do uh
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  Speaker 7: however we want them on um i wanted.
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  Speaker 2: To talk about mary tyler moore who i never really
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  Speaker 2: um i didn't get into her too much as a
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  Speaker 2: film actress i saw like you know ordinary people and
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  Speaker 2: some other roles but um I did watch her TV
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  Speaker 2: show when I was growing up. And it was huge
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  Speaker 2: for me. And I was trying to just think what
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  Speaker 2: it meant to me. Because I know she was like
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  Speaker 2: this icon. She was like the first single woman on TV.
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  Speaker 2: But TV isn't really out ahead in front of culture.
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  Speaker 2: I was growing up and every woman I knew worked.
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  Speaker 2: And it was nothing to me. I saw the show
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  Speaker 2: as being about the kid going out into the world. And,
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: you know, she was the young person to me. I
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  Speaker 2: identified with her character. And the girl for me was Rhoda.
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  Speaker 2: So I would be like Mary, hanging out in my
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  Speaker 2: little split-level apartment with my bin shon on the wall.
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  Speaker 2: And then Rhoda would come over and be funny, and
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  Speaker 2: then maybe we'd drink some wine, and who knows where
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  Speaker 2: this is going. Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: I just want to be Carlton at some point.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah. I get accused of that. People tell me
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  Speaker 2: either like older people say you sound like Carlton, the
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  Speaker 2: doorman and younger people say I sound like Garfield.
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  Speaker 7: And I think it was the same thing. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Same guy.
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  Speaker 3: Which Garfield, the Lorenzo music. Are we talking or they
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  Speaker 3: think that you sound like Bill Murray?
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  Speaker 2: No, no.
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  Speaker 6: Oh no.
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  Speaker 7: The eighties.
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  Speaker 2: It was the car.
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  Speaker 3: Lorenzo music. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: But, uh, Yeah, marry Tyler Moore. I don't know. There's
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: something about TV acting, I think, that is kind of
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: more like a simile, the way it engages you. It's like,
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: it's as if I'm a person who does this. Whereas
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: in movies, I mean, it's not a hard, movies can
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: be broad and stuff, but it's just more immediate. I'm
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: that person. It's like, you know, there's not that little
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: introduction of artificiality that for some reason you see a
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: lot in tv you.
• 18:00
  Speaker 7: Don't have your own theme song that kicks in and
• 18:02
  Speaker 7: a little montage that explains to people the basics of
• 18:05
  Speaker 7: how your life works in about 30 seconds yeah because
• 18:07
  Speaker 7: i feel like everybody kind of needs that really i'm
• 18:10
  Speaker 7: frightened to think what mine's gonna go like.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: It seemed like uh she tried to like go against
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: type in her movie roles like she tried to be
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: she went hard and yeah um and you know she's
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: so likable so it's it's a hard mix to take
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: um But I think it goes back to that first
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: episode of her show where she meets Mr. Grant and
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: he says, you've got spunk, kid. She says, oh, thank you.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: And he says, I hate spunk. And so I think
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: even in her movie career, she was still trying to
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: please Mr.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: Grant.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to be spunky in these roles.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Well, before that, when she still embraced her spunk, she
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: was in my favorite Elvis movie ever, Change of Habits.
• 18:54
  Speaker 7: I was going to bring that up. I was like,
• 18:55
  Speaker 7: wasn't she one of the Elvis people?
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: Yes, the one that didn't sleep with him, according to her.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: She said she was the only co-star that did not,
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: in fact, sleep with Elvis. But that movie, if you've
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: seen it, has everybody seen it? Because it's incredible.
• 19:08
  Speaker 8: For people listening who.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: Haven't seen it, Elvis plays an inner-city pediatrician And she plays,
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: who believes in hug therapy. He, in fact, solves one child's,
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: I think that maybe she can't speak or something, and
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: he just hugs her until everything's okay, as Elvis can do.
• 19:25
  Speaker 7: In this world, this is disturbing.
• 19:28
  Speaker 8: Well, in 1967, it was A-okay. It was okay.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: And Mary Tyler Moore played a nun, who at the end,
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: there's no spoilers here, but it's literally my favorite, maybe
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: my favorite scene in film history, where she has to
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: choose between Jesus and Elvis and she's in church and
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: it cuts back and forth between Jesus and the cross
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: and Elvis playing guitar and uh and her looking back
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: and forth which one which one i won't tell you
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: what she chooses i don't think the movie tells you what.
• 19:56
  Speaker 7: She chooses jesus busts in and starts beating on the
• 19:58
  Speaker 7: window and screaming her name right she knows who to
• 20:01
  Speaker 7: choose and.
• 20:01
  Speaker 8: Runs away with jesus he's outside um it's.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: It's great yeah That's pretty cool, but being the only
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: woman co-star who didn't sleep with Elvis isn't quite as
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: cool as Sybil Shepard, who did, but he didn't do
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: oral sex, and she gave him shit about it.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: And didn't she create a whole musical show about how
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: he refused?
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: I think so, yeah. She's so cool.
• 20:30
  Speaker 7: I've hit a couple of co-stars and that has to be,
• 20:32
  Speaker 7: I'm like, well, I have to ask you about all
• 20:34
  Speaker 7: this now. So one admittedly slept with him. The other,
• 20:37
  Speaker 7: I think was the second level co-star. So she probably
• 20:41
  Speaker 7: didn't have to sleep with him. She was the older,
• 20:44
  Speaker 7: she was the older co-star. So he probably like, no,
• 20:47
  Speaker 7: I made my choice. I'm going with this young girl here.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: So while we're kind of on this topic, you know, our, our,
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: our friend, uh, Michael Polston, who has been on before.
• 20:56
  Speaker 7: Sure.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: That guy, uh, I was looking for something yesterday, and
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: I found the DVD he gave me about his family.
• 21:04
  Speaker 8: I still haven't watched it.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: Fit for a King.
• 21:06
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: Where they make Elvis impersonator costumes.
• 21:11
  Speaker 7: I tried to get him to, like, can I just
• 21:13
  Speaker 7: have a job? I just want to bedazzle things all
• 21:15
  Speaker 7: day long.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: I watched that, and I thought, oh, this will be cool.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: This is a cool topic. I think it might be
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: the greatest story ever told.
• 21:22
  Speaker 7: Yeah. Speaking of the king.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: It's so good. It's just I really enjoyed watching that video.
• 21:29
  Speaker 8: I suspected as much. I have my copy. I'll watch
• 21:31
  Speaker 8: it when I get home.
• 21:34
  Speaker 7: Yeah. He doesn't seem near as excited about having that job.
• 21:38
  Speaker 7: As I tried to convince him of that, he was like, no.
• 21:40
  Speaker 6: No, you don't.
• 21:41
  Speaker 7: I was like, but be dazzling.
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: Come on.
• 21:44
  Speaker 7: No, you don't.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: See, that would be the type of thing. It sounds
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: analogous to like when I go into the Highlands Kroger
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: episode And they have that huge section of cheese. And
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: I'm like, my God, if I just worked with cheese
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: all day, how happy would I be? And every time
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: I look at the person behind that's just cutting, they
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: just look miserable. It's like the most disaffected human being
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: that's just like, all right.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: That's like me at the Speed Museum. I would just
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: walk around and think, this would be kind of a
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: great job. How do they figure out how to ruin
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: every job?
• 22:22
  Speaker 7: I think it's the job part. No, I didn't mind
• 22:27
  Speaker 7: the work.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: I just mind the conflict of you're not doing what
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: you know you should be doing because they want to
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: focus on other things that aren't really their response to that.
• 22:39
  Speaker 7: The job part of it, really. Not the work. It's
• 22:41
  Speaker 7: the nonsense.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the nonsense is what's so frustrating.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 22:50
  Speaker 7: So that's Mary Tyler Moore. That nonsense was Mary Tyler Moore.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: I don't have a whole lot to say about people.
• 22:59
  Speaker 7: We should do a nice overview. Otherwise, it'll get out
• 23:01
  Speaker 7: of control.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: There are other people who passed away. Like David Cassidy
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: from TV.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: Can I tell you a David Cassidy story? It's my
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: favorite story ever because my sister-in-law is the sweetest human being.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: She would never hurt anybody's feelings. or do anything or
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: say anything untoward ever. And she was a little kid,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: and she was in an event with her father, and
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: it was a horse industry event. And her father introduced
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: David Cassidy, and he said, well, of course, I'm sure
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: you know who David Cassidy is. And she said, oh,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: and she started talking to him, and she said, so
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: what horse are you riding?
• 23:41
  Speaker 8: Amazing.
• 23:42
  Speaker 7: I would hope he was right.
• 23:43
  Speaker 8: Just assumed he was a jockey.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Bless her heart. He was one of those people he
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: didn't like being stuck in his TV role. And they
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: did it on purpose. They felt that he was so
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: good looking he had to be a doofus or people
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: would hate him. That was calculated. But he wanted to
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: be someone much cooler than David Cassidy. Can you be
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: cooler than David Cassidy? Well, and Erin Moran, too, from
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: Happy Days. I think she was my age.
• 24:16
  Speaker 7: Not having a good run, as it turns out. There's
• 24:19
  Speaker 7: a couple on my list that I'm like, oh, this
• 24:22
  Speaker 7: story gets worse as she gets older.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: They got cheated on the merchandising stuff.
• 24:28
  Speaker 7: That was everybody at that point.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: She was mad about it. I just remember it was
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: like that job thing. The first thing I ever heard
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: her say about Happy Days was like, oh, that whole...
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: She was just grumbling to me. And I thought, oh,
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: it looked like you were having fun. But no, no,
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: apparently not.
• 24:48
  Speaker 7: Not happy days.
• 24:49
  Speaker 8: At least she didn't have to live to see Chachi's tape.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: Oh, God.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: Defending himself against Nicole Egerton.
• 24:56
  Speaker 7: Again, the world we live in is so depressing.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: I never watched Chachi. I only knew her on happy days,
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: and I thought she was hella cute.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: Joanie Loves Chachi actually rocked my world in a weird
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: way that it kind of like destroyed my concept of
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: basically everything. I was not aware that there was a
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: thing like that people would pretend on television shows that
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: they were in different eras. So I always just assumed
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: that Happy Days was set in the 50s and that
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: I was watching reruns. And then they were like, oh,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: there's this new show, Joanie Loves Chachi. And they were
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: the same age as it just didn't. And I was like,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: how could this be new?
• 25:35
  Speaker 8: This doesn't.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: And it really, really messed me up. I worked through it.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: It was an existential crisis for a moment.
• 25:43
  Speaker 7: Kind of confusing even now.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, they filmed the other one in the 50s.
• 25:53
  Speaker 7: Did it not just move forward a little bit? Because
• 25:56
  Speaker 7: I thought that's how Laverne and Shirley went. They started
• 25:59
  Speaker 7: as that spinoff, and then they edged their way easily
• 26:02
  Speaker 7: into the mid-60s before it was done, which, again, it
• 26:04
  Speaker 7: had about that run. So I thought they just became
• 26:07
  Speaker 7: a little later into the decades because they kept aging
• 26:10
  Speaker 7: every season. I don't know.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 26:12
  Speaker 7: I don't cheat on that. It's all confusing.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: And Daphne from Scooby-Doo has left the building.
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: Oh, Daphne passed?
• 26:21
  Speaker 7: Yeah. We still have Sarah Michelle.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: It's okay. I just still remember the way she would
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: go this.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: Way, guys. Well, for me, I mean, and actually she's
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: not even on my list, but in the way of
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: the most probably prominent voice actor we lost this year
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: would be June Foray. She's one that I think almost
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: sort of surprised a lot of people that she was
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: still alive. Because I think, was she about 99 when
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: she passed?
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: Lindy Lou Who.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: Witch Hazel and Granny.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: Rocky.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and Natasha. I think she was the last remaining
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: veteran Looney Tunes voice actor from the original Run the Wall.
• 27:05
  Speaker 7: Because Mel did most of them. They didn't need anybody else.
• 27:09
  Speaker 7: We need you and a girl.
• 27:10
  Speaker 6: This is it.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: No, but one that I'd put down is actually he
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: wasn't even an actor per se. Robert Osborne... From what
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: I understand, he actually started out doing bit parks, acting
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: on just different projects that were being run by Desilu Studios.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: I guess we're going to connect to Mary Tyler Moore
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: and what's supposed to have been just a cutting-edge woman
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: in the working world. I mean, certainly Lucille Ball being
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: the first female studio head was big. But apparently... she
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: saw Robert Osborne like doing the bit roles on some
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: of their shows and took him aside and said, why
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: don't you try journalism?
• 28:00
  Speaker 7: She was guiding him though. Cause it kind of worked
• 28:03
  Speaker 7: out for him.
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: But yeah, that's how he ended up, um, becoming a
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: pretty prominent author on just the history of film. And,
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: and for me, the, the big connection with him was like, um,
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: when I was in high school, uh, I was just
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: the only film geek it felt like at school. You're thinking, man, Dr.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: Strangelove was cool. Are there any kids I could talk
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: about this to?
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: No.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: No, the answer to that is no. But my family,
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: my junior year in high school, they moved to where
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: they now still live out in Claremont. And at the time,
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: that was too far to get Louisville cable. And so
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: it was... This ratty-ass little cable station to where I
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: seriously think someone just had satellite and they just got
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: people to pay their satellite by stretching cords around to
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: the rest of the neighborhood. Yeah, it was some small
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: little cable company that had probably only a couple hundred
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: customers that eventually got consumed by the Turner Spectrum conglomerate,
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: whatever it is. But at that time, it had Turner
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: Classic Movies, and Louisville did not. So for me, it's
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: like I didn't care that this cable station only had
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: like 10 channels. I had heard about TCM at the time,
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: and it was fairly new because I think they only started, what,
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: like 94, 95, something like that?
• 29:29
  Speaker 7: Something like that, yeah.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: So it was fairly new after it came out, and
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: for me, it was just like this godsend, you know, because...
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: being out in the middle of nowhere without any kind
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: of convenient access to rental stores and even what rental
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: stores existed out in claremont i mean you're not going
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: to find a lot of old vintage movies you know
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: i came home every day and turned it on and
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: it's as nerdy as this you know, statement will be,
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: he was my Fred Rogers of my teen years.
• 30:02
  Speaker 7: Because for movie geeks, that's pretty much what it is.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: He was, he was like that familiar friend, you know,
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: that you saw and he just, you know, basically kind
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: of welcomed you into his house. You know, Fred Rogers,
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: he'd be like, Hey, let me tell you about how
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: crayons are made. Whereas with him, he'd be like, Hey,
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: let's talk about this William Wyler film for just a
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: little bit. And now let's watch it together.
• 30:21
  Speaker 7: Right after I changed my shoes. Hold on a minute. Yeah.
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: You know, very much so. So it's, Um, for me,
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: it was just that, that individual that I really connected
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: with at that time where it introduced me to a
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: lot of films and, you know, I just sort of
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: associated them with him because it was like he was
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: recommending stuff to you. And even years, um, later when
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: I would start doing, um, either the midnight films at
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: Baxter or any kind of like special events, you know,
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: my job sort of morphed into where I did all
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: that PR and intro stuff. And so admittedly, you know,
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: there was part of me that's almost like, Hey, I'm
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: going to channel my inner Robert Osborne for introing this
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: movie to the audience. So for me, you know, when
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: he passed, I was just like, aw, no.
• 31:09
  Speaker 8: That was a really nice tribute.
• 31:10
  Speaker 7: I enjoyed that, though.
• 31:11
  Speaker 8: That really recontextualized. I'm really sad now.
• 31:17
  Speaker 7: I told you. It's depressing. This whole thing.
• 31:20
  Speaker 8: Well, my next was kind of a departure.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: It goes back to TV, although he had a profound
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: movie career before I ever saw him. But my introduction
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: to this person was as the frozen foods magnet Nick
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: Foley on the short-lived television musical Rags to Riches. Does
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: everyone remember Rags to Riches?
• 31:39
  Speaker 7: Remember the title, What's the Pitch Again?
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: It was about the same time as Cop Rock, where
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: there was a moment in time where they were like, hey,
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: musical television is a great idea.
• 31:47
  Speaker 7: I thought that was going to work.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: How did that go away?
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: So this was the family-friendly Cop Rock, and it was
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: about a man who wants to soften his image, so
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: he decides to adopt six children, six orphans, who have
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: all been in an orphanage together and who want to
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: stick together because they like to do song and dance numbers.
• 32:05
  Speaker 7: It almost sounds like a made-up thing that they would
• 32:07
  Speaker 7: turn into. Like if you were doing a parody of
• 32:10
  Speaker 7: something that they turned into a TV show.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: The councils and the Parkridge Festival.
• 32:13
  Speaker 8: Yeah, it was amazing.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: It was also television's introduction to Tisha Campbell. But the star,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: Nick Foley, was played by Joe Bologna. So Joe Bologna
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: was my TV dad for about a minute and a
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: half until the show was canceled and broke my heart.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: But what I didn't realize was obviously his incredible career.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's kind of the greatest love story, Hollywood
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: love story of all time is Joe Bologna and Renee Taylor,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: who sadly, despite her long cinematic career, is also known
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: for a terrible sitcom playing.
• 32:46
  Speaker 8: The nanny's mother.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: But way back in the day, they got married in
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: 1965 and they made a movie together, which I actually
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: have not seen yet. Lovers and Other Strangers, have you
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: all seen that film? They wrote it together and right
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: off the bat got nominated for an Academy Award. It
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: was actually the film premiere of Diane Keaton. I think
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: Sylvester Stallone was an extra in it. B. Arthur was
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: in it, Cloris Leachman. But the movie that I love,
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: they made a movie together, their second movie that they wrote,
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: they actually let them star in it.
• 33:13
  Speaker 8: They were like, okay, that one did pretty well. We'll
• 33:16
  Speaker 8: throw you guys a bone and let you actually act
• 33:17
  Speaker 8: in this one.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: And that movie was about their wedding. This movie was
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: basically about meeting. And you can tell they brought a
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: lot of themselves to the parts. It was a movie
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: called Made for Each Other. And so good. It came
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: out the same year as Many a Moskowitz, which is
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: a very similar movie in my brain. But they were
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: married at the time of his death.
• 33:38
  Speaker 7: I worry.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: I don't know how much longer Renee Taylor has with us.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, they were together for, you know.
• 33:44
  Speaker 7: That's usually how it goes, too. A year or two
• 33:47
  Speaker 7: goes by, and then they are rejoined, we'll say.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: Somebody a long time, you start to share brain function.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: And when that's gone, it's got to be just problematic.
• 34:00
  Speaker 7: It's a shock to the system, I would think. If
• 34:02
  Speaker 7: you're that many years together.
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: Well, and from what I've read, it tends to be
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: more of a shock on the male than the female.
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: Someone did some psychological study of the way they found
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: that typically... With women, they tend to empathize more openly,
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: whereas guys, you're raised to keep everything in, and when
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: the husband loses the wife, they no longer have that source.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: If a wife loses a husband, they still tend to
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: have friends that they are openly.
• 34:29
  Speaker 7: Or he's just, I outlived her?
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: That's not how this goes. Just that mental stress seems
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: to be kind of a factor.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: I think there's a bigger underlying thing that also accounts for.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: Couples are dating, break up. When that happened to my
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: daughter the first time, she was really sad, and they
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: broke up. And I told her I'd just seen this.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: It's like, you know, I'm hearing, though, that when a
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: couple breaks up, it's generally harder on the guy, and
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: they don't expect it. And women tend to start thinking, well,
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: now I can do this stuff that I wasn't able
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: to do. And the guy starts finding out how much
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: he was taking for granted. And I just saw her
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: eyes kind of.
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: Go.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: I think it might have been a good parenting moment
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: because it seemed like things turned around after that.
• 35:26
  Speaker 7: Well done.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 35:28
  Speaker 8: No wonder they want to have beers with you.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:34
  Speaker 7: All right. Mine, again, this was one of those that
• 35:37
  Speaker 7: at first I was like, well, this seems silly to
• 35:41
  Speaker 7: do this person because of how their amount of output.
• 35:46
  Speaker 7: But the more I went on, I'm like, no. Again,
• 35:48
  Speaker 7: we usually kind of like to focus on the lesser
• 35:50
  Speaker 7: known people. And this one had a very specific point
• 35:54
  Speaker 7: in film history and then was done. And we brought
• 35:59
  Speaker 7: up this era earlier. And this is a really sad
• 36:02
  Speaker 7: one to lose this early. This was Lisa Spoonhour, who
• 36:06
  Speaker 7: was Caitlin Brie in Clerks. Yeah. 44. Yeah.
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 36:11
  Speaker 7: And that was one of those, like, she, and I
• 36:15
  Speaker 7: did go back to double check and see what her situation,
• 36:17
  Speaker 7: because I knew, like, Kevin knew a lot of the people.
• 36:20
  Speaker 7: She was one that just kind of came in. He was, like,
• 36:24
  Speaker 7: just looking for somebody to play that specific role. Like,
• 36:27
  Speaker 7: he'd worked with Jeff before. You know, Jason is always
• 36:29
  Speaker 7: around him. So like he had most of the basics covered.
• 36:32
  Speaker 7: That was the one role that they didn't have. And
• 36:34
  Speaker 7: he like went to an acting class in like the
• 36:37
  Speaker 7: community college or whatever. And she was there and like
• 36:40
  Speaker 7: creepily stuck to her in the parking lot and went,
• 36:42
  Speaker 7: do you want to be in a movie? And so
• 36:45
  Speaker 7: she like just kind of got on board and is
• 36:48
  Speaker 7: in it. And I don't know if it was just like,
• 36:51
  Speaker 7: I don't want to do that. Like I also kind
• 36:53
  Speaker 7: of forgot her and Jeff got together during that. And
• 36:56
  Speaker 7: the Jeff Anderson, who was, was Randall. So they were
• 36:59
  Speaker 7: married very briefly. And then after that, I think was
• 37:01
  Speaker 7: just kind of like, I think she had one other
• 37:03
  Speaker 7: role in a super indie movie that didn't even get
• 37:06
  Speaker 7: to the clerk's level. And then after that, like, I
• 37:09
  Speaker 7: don't think I found anything else about her until at
• 37:12
  Speaker 7: some point I talked to Veronica, who's Marilyn at one
• 37:15
  Speaker 7: of the shows. And I like added her on Facebook.
• 37:18
  Speaker 7: And then Lisa was on her friends list. And I
• 37:21
  Speaker 7: was like, oh, I didn't even know she was still
• 37:23
  Speaker 7: out there doing stuff. And I think it just randomly
• 37:25
  Speaker 7: added her and never bothered to interact with her. But
• 37:29
  Speaker 7: she would post stuff all the time, and it was
• 37:31
  Speaker 7: her and her daughter. And she had just become a mom.
• 37:35
  Speaker 7: It's like she'd gotten divorced from Jeff, had moved, had remarried,
• 37:39
  Speaker 7: and just became a mom. And that was kind of
• 37:42
  Speaker 7: cool that for a couple of years there, every once
• 37:45
  Speaker 7: in a while I would just post a picture of
• 37:46
  Speaker 7: her and her kid at the park or whatever. And
• 37:48
  Speaker 7: it was just sort of this weird little... window into
• 37:51
  Speaker 7: a life of somebody who for a minute was almost
• 37:54
  Speaker 7: kind of famous and into a certain group and then
• 37:57
  Speaker 7: it just like just left it all behind and had
• 38:00
  Speaker 7: a real life now as it turned out was dealing
• 38:03
  Speaker 7: with a ton of health problems that i don't think
• 38:06
  Speaker 7: again visually i think even the people who knew her
• 38:08
  Speaker 7: said you couldn't tell but had for years to the
• 38:12
  Speaker 7: point that at the end they were like i guess
• 38:15
  Speaker 7: some of it i think it was so many things
• 38:17
  Speaker 7: some of it was just internal organs that At some point,
• 38:20
  Speaker 7: I assume cancer got involved because they said she, towards
• 38:23
  Speaker 7: the end, had so much radiation that, like, her organs
• 38:26
  Speaker 7: had started to kind of fuse together into, like, whatever
• 38:30
  Speaker 7: came along at the end was probably a blessing because
• 38:34
  Speaker 7: God knows how much she was going through at that point. But, yeah,
• 38:38
  Speaker 7: to be that young, to have a relatively young daughter, like,
• 38:41
  Speaker 7: this was the one I was just like, this is terrible.
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: Like.
• 38:46
  Speaker 7: But it was kind of an interesting moment there of
• 38:49
  Speaker 7: the fact that she got involved. And that was the
• 38:53
  Speaker 7: part that struck me because I remember in the theater
• 38:55
  Speaker 7: the first time I saw it, it's like there's plenty
• 38:57
  Speaker 7: of clunky acting along the way in that movie, as
• 39:00
  Speaker 7: good as moments are in that. There's times when you're like,
• 39:02
  Speaker 7: oh yeah, this is a movie with some non-actors and
• 39:05
  Speaker 7: somebody who didn't really have it all figured out yet
• 39:07
  Speaker 7: on how to put this together. Those scenes with her,
• 39:10
  Speaker 7: there's only a handful. She is so genuine. To be
• 39:13
  Speaker 7: somebody who'd never done films before, who'd never really acted
• 39:17
  Speaker 7: outside of acting school in a community college class, you know,
• 39:21
  Speaker 7: was just really solid. And I do think it's she,
• 39:26
  Speaker 7: because this was something Kevin kind of put over the years,
• 39:28
  Speaker 7: she's also in such a weird position situation in that
• 39:31
  Speaker 7: film because he's like, she's, she's the shark in Jaws.
• 39:34
  Speaker 7: They talk about Caitlin the entire movie. It's two thirds
• 39:39
  Speaker 7: of the way over before she even actually makes an appearance.
• 39:42
  Speaker 7: So you have to have somebody kind of really awesome
• 39:44
  Speaker 7: to come in and be like, oh, now it makes
• 39:46
  Speaker 7: sense why Dante is being such a weirdo. Like they'd,
• 39:49
  Speaker 7: almost have to buy why he would throw so much
• 39:52
  Speaker 7: away and she's she's pretty damn likable even though i
• 39:55
  Speaker 7: don't like the situation that she gets involved in she's
• 39:58
  Speaker 7: kind of so charming in that role that you're like
• 40:00
  Speaker 7: all right i give you a pass and that's i
• 40:03
  Speaker 7: don't know to me for that one role for that
• 40:05
  Speaker 7: that one little snippet of time that was kind of
• 40:08
  Speaker 7: that was kind of an impressive thing.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: For her to be able to do well so It's
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: going to be hard to get darker than that.
• 40:16
  Speaker 7: Yeah. That one's pretty sad.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: I think I got it. I've got one.
• 40:19
  Speaker 7: I've got one coming that gets darker if it helps.
• 40:22
  Speaker 7: So if it takes the pressure off.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: I'm going to pass on that and just go sort
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: of on a similar theme. One role, Darlene Cates was
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: the mother, uh, in, uh, what's her name?
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: Gilbert Gray.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: Gilbert Gray.
• 40:35
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: And she had never acted before. And she had, uh,
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: issues in her life that, you know, she found comfort
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: in food and she had a lot of trouble with
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: her weight. And I just, when I saw that she
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: had passed, I just remembered how that part of the
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: story where he just didn't want her death to be
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: like a joke and decided to burn the house. And
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: that's so operatic and big. And, um, it was a
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: little worried about, you know, like, uh, insurance and arson
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: but it's a movie let's just move.
• 41:12
  Speaker 7: On was she still that size.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: She you know she did have some victories sometimes but
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: yeah i mean she never it was always a.
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: Problem well and didn't she get cast like she was
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: she was on i can't remember if it was jerry
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: springer or although she was on some sort of tv
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: show from what i remember the story of how she
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: ended up in that because she was one of those
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: people that was too big to leave the home yeah
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: and like they were doing some sort of episode for
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: sensationalistic purposes of you know look at these people.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: Or they pretend to help people and really.
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: It's just yeah and so there was apparently just something
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: about like the way she told her story that like
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: captured the attention of the director to where he he
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: tracked her down and got her in that was my
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: understanding as to how she ended up involved in it
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: i think.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah but it's that thing again too where she was
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: just like really genuine and captivating And then sometimes there
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: are other people who have so much experience acting that
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: it almost starts to work against that. It almost becomes
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: sort of polished. Yeah, but I was sad to hear that.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: In a way, it's impressive.
• 42:22
  Speaker 7: She made it that long. Usually, if you're in that situation,
• 42:25
  Speaker 7: your health issues overtake you pretty young. The fact that
• 42:30
  Speaker 7: she made it that far is kind of impressive, really.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm. I mean, when I was going to talk about,
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: you know, I don't have any set order. I was
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: kind of like, you know, feel for where we're going
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: on these. But kind of going where Brian was, though
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: not as dark. In the way of an actress to where, like,
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: when I saw that she passed, I was like, wait, what?
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: Would definitely be Glenn Headley for me. Just because, you know,
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: she not too long ago was in Moonrise Kingdom. And
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: she really had not changed in like, you know, the
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: 30 some odd years she'd been acting, you know, you
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: always saw her and she just, she had like this
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: sort of captivating, you know, sort of, it was, we
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: talked about it last time when we were talking about
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: Brooklyn and that lead actress, just something about her face
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: just sort of drew you in. And she was very
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: subtle about very sympathetic, very sympathetic character. Um, I mean, admittedly,
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: you know, for me, the attachment comes from the fact
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: that I know it comes as a surprise to you
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: all that I'm a big Dick Tracy fan.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought about that.
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so, you know, she played Tess Trueheart within the film.
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: And you could not, if you ask me now, knowing
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: all the different actors or actresses, you know, that have
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: spanned time, I mean, she was that Tess Trueheart character
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: because the character in the strip was this sort of
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: sympathetic character. yet strong because you know it's she's not
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: just in there to be the the damsel in distress
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: type you know ploy or anything you know and when
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: it came to her she almost wasn't cast it originally
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: it was sean young who was playing.
• 44:09
  Speaker 7: Interesting character and totally different way yeah.
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: But apparently sean young was only in the role i
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: think for a week before baity fired her um.
• 44:21
  Speaker 8: Because she wouldn't have sex with him Well.
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: And that was, yeah, what she said. According to her.
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: According to her, according to Beatty, he said, no, she
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: just got incredibly antagonistic with the kid, and we need
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: a character that's sympathetic and has a relationship with the kid.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: And will have sex with him.
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: He had Madonna on that one.
• 44:40
  Speaker 7: Everybody know I'm Warren Beatty, for God's sakes.
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: Which is surprising, given so many different people coming forward,
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: like Warren Beatty has not been named in any of this.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: It surprises me a lot of people who have not
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: been named.
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: Like the nefarious Hollywood Lotharios.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like there are a lot of people who are
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: just not getting called out.
• 45:00
  Speaker 10: I know.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: I think, you know, we ought to go ahead and
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: just like hate a lot of people just on the
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: odds that we just haven't found out yet.
• 45:13
  Speaker 7: I'll just assume. Is that okay?
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: Can we just like have a little margin of hate
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: for people that we haven't heard the story yet?
• 45:20
  Speaker 7: Margin of hate. Yeah.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: That's my new band name.
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: Of course, I don't think that's my favorite Sean Young story.
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: I think my favorite is still the Tim Burton one.
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: Because apparently, wasn't she supposed to have been in Batman?
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: Wasn't she going to be like Vicki Vale, but broke
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: her leg or something?
• 45:38
  Speaker 7: I don't remember if that's what set it off.
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: And even though allegedly she said it was because her
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: leg was broken, but apparently Burton was like, no, she's
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: just crazy. And so when he did Batman Returns, she
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: came springing into his office in the homemade costume. Catwoman
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: suit and he hid under the desk until she left.
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: Like it was something out of a screwball comedy when
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: you read about it.
• 45:59
  Speaker 8: Kentucky's own, Shania.
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah. But no, that was it.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: She was a member of Steppenwolf.
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's how she kind of got her break.
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: She got into Steppenwolf because she, at the time, she
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: was trying to get into any kind of theater group
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: and she was just working broke as a waitress and
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: just happened to through a chance event, meet John Malkovich
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: and started dating him and ultimately married him. But I
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: think she ended up divorcing him because he had an
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: open affair with, oh God, what was her name?
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: Sean Yeo.
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: But I don't know. There was just something always just
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: very soothing about her voice and her just being on screen.
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: It had a very calming effect regardless of what role
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: she was in. So it was just sad to see
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: that it was just sort of a freak I think
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: like a pulmonary embolism just out of nowhere. She'd been
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: perfectly healthy and just, that was it.
• 46:58
  Speaker 8: Yeah, the last thing I saw her in, she was
• 47:01
  Speaker 8: in The Circle and played Bill Paxton's wife. And Bill
• 47:04
  Speaker 8: Paxton passed and then she passed a couple weeks later,
• 47:06
  Speaker 8: which was very strange right after that movie came out.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: The Circle with Tom Hanks and Am I thinking of
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: a different movie?
• 47:13
  Speaker 8: No, you're thinking of the same terrible movie.
• 47:15
  Speaker 7: Is it terrible?
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: We were thinking about it last night. Oh, unwatchable. We
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: almost watched it last night.
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: I haven't heard anything good about it. I remember when
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: it came out.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: Because it looks on the face of it like it
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: might be okay.
• 47:25
  Speaker 8: It has everything going for it.
• 47:27
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 47:27
  Speaker 7: Wow. Terrible.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: It might be one of those that's so bad it's
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: funny if you're watching it at home and not trapped
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: in a theater.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 47:36
  Speaker 7: I'm not really that big on those. You're selling me
• 47:38
  Speaker 7: on this. You're going to watch it tonight.
• 47:40
  Speaker 8: It's not a fair legacy for Glenn Healy and Bill Paxton.
• 47:43
  Speaker 8: I'll just put it that way.
• 47:45
  Speaker 7: Maybe that's what killed him. That movie might have done it.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: That's what I was going to... He was on my
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: list to talk about. And one of the reasons was
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: because sometimes... The thing I notice about him is sometimes
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: he's so terrible.
• 48:02
  Speaker 7: But this is a good thing. In the best way.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: But then other times, like when he was in the
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: movie One False Move, It's just, this guy can act.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: I believe everything about him in that role. There was
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: not a wrong note. It was like watching Robert Duvall
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: in Tomorrow or something. It's like, this guy is... And
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: I think what it is, it's just like when you're
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: an actor, you have to have the guts to throw
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: yourself into it and try to collaborate with the people
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: you're working with. And sometimes it just doesn't work. And that's,
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: you know, but there are no great actors that I
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: can think of who haven't been terrible in something.
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: And Paxton is one that I would liken to, it's
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: an acting style almost like Gene Hackman, to where when
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: he is hitting, my God, he's hitting, and then you'll
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: see him in other stuff, and it's like he's playing
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: almost a parody of himself. It's like I am going
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: to act as Bill Paxton, as this role.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: See, that's what I do when I act.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 49:06
  Speaker 7: I have to play and act for playing the part.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: It's exhausting, and I only act by invitation. I will
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: not audition for anything. Oddly enough, I've been in some
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: stuff just on that basis. we need somebody to.
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: Do alright you're here.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: Fred but yeah I can't let I can't get into
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: a part like turn off that part of my brain
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: like some people do and I'm not I do not
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: have that kind of courage that I'm thinking of Bill
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: Paxton for to just go in and give it a shot. And,
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: you know, and you have to try to collaborate with
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: people and work with their vision. And I think he
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: did that. And when he was good, he was amazing. And, um,
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: and I, I mean, I don't know all his work.
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: I know he.
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: Was very tiresome to watching twister.
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: Which, you know, well, and I think that is just,
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: he's like, all right, I realize this is an absurd movie.
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: I'm just going to ham it up and have fun.
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: You know, if anything, even when he's doing a quote
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: unquote bad role, he's fun to watch.
• 50:16
  Speaker 7: See, I feel like that's his, maybe his most boring.
• 50:19
  Speaker 7: Like he's just so like, he doesn't have anything to
• 50:21
  Speaker 7: do in that movie. Like the twister's the star. So
• 50:24
  Speaker 7: he has like the least amount, like as much screen
• 50:26
  Speaker 7: time as he has, he has the least amount to do.
• 50:29
  Speaker 7: Like he works better in the extremes. Like he can
• 50:32
  Speaker 7: do extreme, you know, like frailty movies. He's amazing. And
• 50:35
  Speaker 7: then you go to, like, the other extreme. His few
• 50:38
  Speaker 7: minutes in True Lies is, like, the best thing in
• 50:40
  Speaker 7: that movie. Like, his ridiculous over-the-top performance is so likable
• 50:46
  Speaker 7: and ridiculous and fun that, like, okay, he can do that, too.
• 50:49
  Speaker 7: It's that middle part that I'm just, like, the twisters
• 50:52
  Speaker 7: that I was just like, no.
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: What an odd movie twister is in general. It's basically,
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: it's like, all right, we're going to take Jaws, but
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: we're going to do it with tornadoes. And so why
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: would these people all be around tornadoes? Oh, they need
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: to be scientists. They chase them. So we've got to
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: give you enough science on tornadoes. But yet at the
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: same time, the more science we give you, the more
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: ridiculous you realize the movie is. Like it's such this weird.
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: I never saw Big Love. I never watched that.
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: But I heard he was really good on that too.
• 51:27
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: First two seasons.
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: I was just.
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: Glad that chloe savinia got out of blowjob jail she's.
• 51:34
  Speaker 7: Still doing stuff i saw her in a movie this
• 51:37
  Speaker 7: week and she was not doing any of that some
• 51:41
  Speaker 7: horrible things happened to her but.
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: Not that i just really like her you know um
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: well i mean a lot of people were like so
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: offended by her and the brown bunny it's like no
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: you crossed oh fuck off she's a good actress you
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: know she can do what she wants it's not like
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: I don't know, but I liked her in a movie,
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: Shattered Glass. That was one of my favorite Chloe Sevigny things,
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: and I was glad she was working again, doing something good.
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: I remember when we had Brown Bunny. Because there was
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: all this... The Courier even ran some articles on it,
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: and there was all this buzz around it. So we thought, okay,
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: what kind of turnout are we going to have? Next
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: to nothing. It was mostly... middle-aged males coming in in
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: trench coats in like April. And we just like a flashback.
• 52:28
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: It's basically, you know, the same crowd that we're just
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: running through the, the porn section of wild and wooly.
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: It's like, and it's like, well.
• 52:39
  Speaker 7: Especially at that point, I'm like, Don't you have a computer?
• 52:43
  Speaker 7: You don't need to go to... That's what I was
• 52:45
  Speaker 7: going to say. In the 70s, it made sense to
• 52:46
  Speaker 7: go to those weird movies late at night in your
• 52:48
  Speaker 7: trench coat because that was it. You didn't have anything else.
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: Or if you're a kid and you can't access anything,
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: even though it was NC-17 and you're not going to
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: be able to.
• 52:54
  Speaker 7: The grown men in the, what, early 2000s? I'm like,
• 52:58
  Speaker 7: that's pretty ridiculous.
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: It was so terrible.
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: Of course, I don't think there's ever been a greater
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: joke about kids sneaking into an R-rated film than The Simpsons.
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: You already know. It was... Bart's walking along the road,
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: and I don't even remember the context of the whole episode,
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: but this truck full of kids pull up, and Milhouse
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: is in the back. And they're like, come on, Bart.
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: We're all going to go sneak into an R-rated film.
• 53:19
  Speaker 7: You want to go?
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: He's like, no. And they're like, all right, come on, guys.
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: Bart and Fink.
• 53:24
  Speaker 7: Bart and Fink. And it drives off. Have fun, kids.
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: Oh, there was another one where Nelson came out of
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: Naked Lounge. I can think of two things that are wrong.
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: I got to say too, because I was talking about
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: Mary Tyler Moore, James Hill Brooks is alive, but he
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: produced that. And it led to later. One of my favorite,
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: pretty much my favorite rom-com is broadcast news, which was
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: the same setup as the same basic thing. And, Also,
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: the last couple of seasons of The Simpsons are pretty good.
• 54:05
  Speaker 7: I've heard it's making a comeback.
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: They're not lazy lately.
• 54:09
  Speaker 7: I'm so, yeah, I just got so worn out on it.
• 54:11
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 54:12
  Speaker 7: But, you know, when you're around that long, like it's,
• 54:15
  Speaker 7: how can the viewers not be at this let alone
• 54:18
  Speaker 7: i don't know how they're still coming up with still no.
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: I think at this point probably if it's improving it's
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: the people that were kids that grew up with it
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: now are old enough to make it it's like there's that.
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: True energy in it like they used the early ones
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: there's always so much extra that they could have got
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: away without going to that much trouble and that's what
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: they're getting back is the energy to like bring something
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: completely unnecessary to it.
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: Well, and I think too, is once, um, both South
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: Park and Family Guy both came out at the same time, they,
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: they tried to slip a little bit more into, okay,
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: let's raunch it up a little bit because South Park
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: can be like that. And let's also try to make
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: it to where there's a lot of aside jokes like
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: Family Guy. And it's like, you should have stuck to
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: your laurels. Like once you started shift, because I feel
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: like there was a period where you could tell format wise,
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: they were trying to compete with everybody else and it
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: just didn't sink.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: I think it's my turn and I feel like you're
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: setting me up to talk about Harry Dean but I'm
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: not talking about Harry Dean until the end even.
• 55:19
  Speaker 8: Though we're just talking about Big Love.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: And you talked about Twister and Harry Dean's not in
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: Twister but he's in another movie called Twister with Crispin
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: Glover that's terrible but we're not going to talk about
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: Harry yet so I'm just going to completely switch gears
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: and oh did you have your hand.
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: Up Fred yes I'm sorry I was just going to
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: say when we were talking about Twister Chubby Checker oh
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: He came up with a dance song so big that
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: it became, I think, a couple of movies. It just
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: occurred to me. I don't have a lot to say,
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: but I love Chubby Checker and I thought we should
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: just throw that in.
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: That actually makes this transition somewhat easier because this is
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: a singer who was popular at around the same time
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: as Chubby Checker. a little bit later, but Miss Della Reese,
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: who many of us know from Touched by an Angel
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: and her prolific song career. I was not aware of
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: certain other things, such as the fact that she played
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: the mother of B.A.
• 56:18
  Speaker 8: Baracus in an episode of The A-Team. Yes.
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 56:21
  Speaker 7: Just sit on that for a minute. Even Mr. T's
• 56:24
  Speaker 7: got a mom. I mean, sure.
• 56:25
  Speaker 8: And it's Dellerine.
• 56:26
  Speaker 7: And it's Dellerine.
• 56:26
  Speaker 8: And I love that. Also, she was also the first
• 56:31
  Speaker 8: black woman to host The Tonight Show.
• 56:33
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 56:33
  Speaker 7: That's pretty impressive.
• 56:35
  Speaker 4: Nice.
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: So in addition to her long singing career, she married
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: Roba Donaghy. And Mark Burnett, I don't like that. She
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: was an ordained minister. That seems like a union that
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: has not resulted in anything but pain for the American public.
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: But she was in films such as Harlem Nights, A
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: Thin Line Between Love and Hate, and Beauty Shop, and
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: she will be missed.
• 56:56
  Speaker 5: Let's twist again like we did last summer. Yeah, let's
• 57:02
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• 57:07
  Speaker 3: Do you remember.
• 57:08
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  Speaker 6: In a place of corruption.
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  Speaker 7: We're just a bunch of street punks. Nobody's watching us.
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  Speaker 7: We're free.
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  Speaker 6: In a time of change.
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  Speaker 2: Every new idea, every movement forward was at one time
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  Speaker 2: or another criminal and outlawed. Three brothers shared a dream
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: of power.
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  Speaker 7: It's a war, and it's costing both sides a great
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  Speaker 7: deal of money. Sounds to me like you're trying to
• 59:40
  Speaker 7: bust up the union.
• 59:41
  Speaker 6: One led.
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: What's our interest in this?
• 59:44
  Speaker 7: It's a good deal.
• 59:45
  Speaker 6: One followed.
• 59:46
  Speaker 7: We take the money.
• 59:48
  Speaker 6: One died.
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: You're really concerned about the workers.
• 59:52
  Speaker 7: Let them take the deal. Yeah, right, right. You know
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  Speaker 7: what you're doing?
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  Speaker 10: From acclaimed director Abel Ferrara, America's most daring and controversial filmmaker.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not asking for nothing, but my brother's killer, his
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  Speaker 6: Christopher Walken.
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  Speaker 7: If I do something wrong.
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  Speaker 2: It's because God didn't give me the grace to do
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: what's right.
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  Speaker 7: Annabella Sciorra.
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  Speaker 8: They're criminals, and there's nothing, absolutely nothing romantic about it.
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  Speaker 6: Chris Penn.
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  Speaker 8: Killed him 22 years old they killed him.
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  Speaker 10: Isabella rossellini.
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  Speaker 6: Benicio del toro i.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 7: Had nothing to do with your brother's death and vincent
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 7: gallo blood was their bond.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 8: Killing somebody else is not going to bring him back.
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  Speaker 2: Remember one thing he's not your flesh and.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 5: Blood and the beginning of their end you can't be
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  Speaker 5: trusted you are not trustworthy what would you have me
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  Speaker 5: do Bye.
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  Speaker 6: The funeral.
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  Speaker 6: A film by Abel Ferrara.
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  Speaker 7: Ellen, you want to come into your city?
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  Speaker 8: It was a teenage wedding and the old folks wished
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  Speaker 8: him well.
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  Speaker 4: You could see that Pierre did truly love the mademoiselle.
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  Speaker 11: And now the young monsieur and madame have run the
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  Speaker 11: goes to show you never can tell.
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  Speaker 5: They furnished off.
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  Speaker 4: The coolerator was crammed.
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  Speaker 5: With TV dinners and ginger ale.
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  Speaker 11: But when Pierre found work, the little money coming worked
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 11: out well.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 8: C'est la vie, say the old folks, it goes to
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 8: show you never can tell.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 7: I'm going a slightly creepier route than her weird angel
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 7: end of it i'm going the undead i couldn't again
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 7: just look at the list and it's like this one
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 7: it's not like hasn't been talked about a lot but
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 7: for me it's like i couldn't not talk about almost
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 7: the the mark on history that george romero left i'm
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 7: just like he for someone who did a small amount
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 7: of films, and most of which most people never saw.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 7: The one or two that made their mark were so
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 7: impressive that it changed, I think, film history, certainly horror,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 7: created its own subgenre. Everything that came after Night of
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 7: the Living Dead changed everything. It's such a dividing line,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 7: definitely in horror, but I think even just for the
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 7: for a weird kid that was doing industrial films. It's
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 7: like he wasn't even a trained filmmaker originally. He wasn't
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 7: even an engineer and changed gears because this was what
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 7: he was into and started making weird industrial films in
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 7: the middle of an industrial town. They just wanted to
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 7: put this together and got a minimal amount of equipment.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 7: The fact that that movie still works so well to
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 7: this day There's plenty of other stuff made on that
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 7: type of budget at that time period with that equipment
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 7: that you look at now and it's like, eh. There
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 7: are a few that still hold up like that one does.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 7: That's just, in and of itself, an amazing story of
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 7: what came after that. And again, some of those others
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 7: that followed it, I still love Martin. It is one
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 7: of my favorite movies of that era.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 3: I think Martin's his best, to be totally truthful.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 8: And the scariest.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 7: It's disturbing.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 11: Romero.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: We had him as a guest at Wonderfest in 2001.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 7: It was my other tie-in. He's one of the first
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 7: of these that I've actually met.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: And the interesting thing is like this was of course
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: back in it doesn't seem that long ago to where
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: there was an era to where there wasn't a convention
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 3: every freaking month in every major city. But now it
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: is to where everybody wants to buy their celebrity interactions
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: or what have you. But He, at that point in time,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: had never done any appearance outside of Pennsylvania. Yeah. And so,
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 3: you know, when we brought him down, I mean, he
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: didn't charge anything for autographs because he was like, he
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 3: actually said, he's like, I'm not going to charge because
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 3: I don't know how many people would even want.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 7: An autograph like he was as the line wrapped around
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 7: the building and that was the.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: Thing is like when we because he was used to
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 3: being kind of well known in his home state but
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: he in his mentality it's like why would people want
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 3: to see me outside of there and then once we
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 3: like you know open up and let people i mean
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: he had a line that just went on for forever
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: and he would sit and talk with everyone if you
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: wanted him to sign 10 things he'd sign them all
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 3: for free he'd just sit there and chat like just
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: the nicest human being, and he was. He was just
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: utterly flabbergasted that, you know, that as many fans wanted
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: to come out and see him. And then, of course, once,
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: you know, the whole, like, you know, convention bubble started
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: growing that we've currently got, it has yet to burst,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: but it eventually will, because how many times can you
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 3: want to get Sid Haig's autograph when he comes through Louisville?
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 7: Every other weekend, so it would seem. Because I see
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 7: him more than people I'm related to.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 3: We thought about bringing him back.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 7: That's not a joke. We've made that reference in the past,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 7: but there's, I mean, I've seen Bill Moseley more times
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 7: than people I'm related to.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 6: That's true.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: We thought about bringing him back, you know, like 10
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: years later, suddenly he had an appearance fee and he
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: was charging like 50 to 100 bucks for autographs because
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: he realized, oh, crap, this is a way to make.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 7: This is my bread and butter now.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: This is my living now, yeah. But it was just,
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: for me, it was just neat to... See him in
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: that moment where suddenly, like for the first time outside
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 3: of you know his little like you know hometown holy
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: shit people dig these movies you know it was it
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: was awesome you know of course Savini got in his
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: own line of trouble but he.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 7: Was already in that weird area I feel like he's
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 7: but no that's that's that's why it's funny I say
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 7: I've met him but he it was in that time
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 7: like at the it was so long ago, there was
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 7: no show. So it's like, I just, and I didn't
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 7: think anything of it. So I got in line and
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 7: they got up there and went, Oh, it's not like
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 7: I brought anything. Like we hadn't even been doing that
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 7: kind of stuff enough to worry about it. So I
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 7: got up there and went, Oh, um, here's Stein. So
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 7: my badge from wonderfest has his signature on it. And that's,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 7: that's the only thing I have from that. But yeah,
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 7: just the few minutes of talking to him there. And
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 7: then from that point, it's like, okay, obviously now I
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 7: want to have him on the show, but by then
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 7: the bubble was off and running. And, uh, At that point,
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 7: I'm like, no, there's no way he's ever going to
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 7: have time to get to anything. He was just so
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 7: overwhelmed at every horror convention I would see him at again.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 7: So I saw him in passing many times after that.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 7: But yeah, there was no chance by then. He was huge.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 7: But yeah, that was like several, several years ago now.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 7: They asked me to write that piece about this town
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 7: and zombies. And I started at the very beginning and
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 7: probably made it way longer than they ever wanted me to.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 7: But I started from the word existed before that in history,
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 7: and you've got white zombie and stuff that predates it,
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 7: but it wasn't what it became, certainly what it isn't now,
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 7: until Romero got involved.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, not the actual living dead.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it set the standard of how we're going to
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 7: do this that every movie, even if they want to
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 7: fuck the system, has to take into account. They have
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 7: to then go, Okay, I want to do it just
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 7: like this. Or I want to follow the rules that
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 7: he set up. Or he's already making rules that don't
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 7: make sense. I want hard, fast rules. So people have
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 7: to write books about it now. And they have to
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 7: make their own offshoot movies. So it was just one
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 7: of those, after doing what research I did for that
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 7: and how much it affected just the domino effect of
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 7: cinema that happened, at least in horror, after that. I'm
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 7: just like, it's a pretty monumental person thing. That came
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 7: along and affected everything.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: It's so monumental that on The Walking Dead, they have
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: to pretend they can't use the word zombies. Because they
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: don't exist in that world.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 7: They would have.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: To refer to, oh, yeah, we all know about zombies from,
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 7: They might have to pay licensing to George's family or something.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: I just think it's unkind, though, that they call them walkers.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: That's the thing they do worst. Why would you, like.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: What about biters? They're good at that.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 7: Depends on the camp. Some of them call them biters.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 6: Biters?
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: Do they?
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 6: They do.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 7: See, you're on to something. They should bring you in
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 7: on the show. You can be the one at the
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 7: table going, no, no. Here's what we're going to do.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 7: We need somebody there to shoot down other people's ideas.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 7: I'm sure that never happens in a writing room.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 3: But it's also interesting, too, that so many people that
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 3: kind of followed in his footsteps, they just make zombies
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 3: for the sake of making zombies, whereas... You know, in
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 3: all four of Romero's films, they're allegorical or something.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: Because, I mean, you know, you've got the communism sort
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 3: of allegory with Night of the Living Dead. When you
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 3: get into Dawn, now the zombies are consumers.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 3: And then it's like the police and the military by day.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 3: And then with Land, it's, you know, the... elite sort
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: of 1%. I really like Land.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 7: People just had already kind of tuned out by then,
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 7: but I think Land is another just so underrated. I
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 7: think he was still doing pretty much top of his
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 7: game kind of stuff there. The other two after that
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 7: I didn't pay much attention to. I really like Land.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 3: I think with Land, though, what it was is by then...
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 3: There were so many Romero imitators. And every friggin' zombie
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 3: movie comes up, it reinvents the genre.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 7: Reinvents.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 3: I get really, anytime something is just marketed as something
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 3: that reinvents something else, I'm like, that's an instant turn
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 3: off for me. Because it sounds like a marketing ploy. And,
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 3: I don't know. By then, it's just, the market was
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 3: just so flooded with zombie stuff. It's just like, people
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 3: are kind of getting over it. I'm still surprised that
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 3: People still watch The Walking Dead.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 7: I'm making myself watch it.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: I've been out of it for a long time, but
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm going to watch every bit of this.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: And it's just an exercise.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 3: You say it like it is an exercise. I'm making
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 3: myself do 100 push-ups every night before I go to bed.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: It is. I'm watching it because I'm watching, you know,
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: what's happening to something that started out as a show
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: that they were invested in. And they've gotten much more
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: and more like Cat and Mouse. And it's just, it's
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: an exercise comparable to, I made myself watch all the
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: documentaries about Walmart. But I tried to watch them as
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: though they were mock documentaries. and somebody had made them
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: as a fiction and it just made them so much
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: more entertaining because somehow, instead of somebody trying to get
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: you to think something, you imagine a director showing people
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: trying to make you think something. And, uh, the best
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: one was, uh, playboys, women of Walmart. It just like
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: summed up all the themes of capitalism.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 7: I know that's a real thing.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: Cause I used to sell it. Yeah.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 7: It's a thing.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: But also like, uh, The most damning one was the
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: pro-Walmart movie. Why Walmart works and why that drives. Oh, God,
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: that one was frightening. They had this economist on there,
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: like Robert Prechter. And it's like, oh, that's so good.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: They got a different guy because you would have gone
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: with James Woods for the creepiness. But this guy you
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: haven't seen before, and he's so much more believable.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 3: That sounds up there like when Disney did, what was it,
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 3: America's Heart and Soul. They did that really treacle-ridden pro-America movie,
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 3: and it came out, I think, the same summer that
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 3: Michael Moore did Fahrenheit 9-11. It was almost like a rebuttal,
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 3: and I remember sitting through it, and it's like, It's
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 3: well shot, and these are kind of neat stories, but
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: they never delved into anything that much. It's just like,
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 3: we're just going to say surface level and saccharine. It's just, yeah.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 7: Weird side note, have you seen Superstore? No. Watch it.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: I won't take any advantage to push it on people
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: just because I feel like I turned off.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 7: So much on standard network sitcoms. So many that I
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 7: just don't care and I don't pay attention to so
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 7: many out there. This is a half hour sitcom on
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 7: network television. It is so well written.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 7: It is so genuine and again of my horrible past
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 7: having worked in a large retail store. It's so true.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 7: It focuses so much on the day of what's going
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 7: on but there's these little touches in the background because
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 7: it's a total rip off cloud nine the walmart of
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 7: this story and it will just cut away for like
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 7: 20 seconds of a customer walking by doing the dumbest
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 7: thing that people actually do just just no words said
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 7: you'll just see them like pick up toilet paper and
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 7: like sniff it or something and then and then put
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 7: it down and walk off and that's it that's the
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 7: entire portion of that and it goes back to the
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 7: story and it's usually them off in an aisle not
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 7: doing any work like playing badminton or something like they're
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 7: always doing the dumbest stuff that should be getting them
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 7: in trouble but somehow they get away with which granted
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 7: i've been there too but it yeah it's surprising how
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 7: well written.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 3: That thing is i like it whenever you do watch
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 3: a sitcom and you think okay the people that are
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: writing this had to have work there because.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 7: It's somebody it's the same with.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 9: That um that level of observation yeah yeah because hbo
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 9: is the and apparently it's only a two-season run they
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 9: do vice principals yeah i've only seen the first season
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 9: and a half it's walton goggins and um danny mcbride
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 9: as these two competing assistant principals who want to be
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 9: in charge of this nowhere school and And it's just
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 9: the district brought in a principal from outside the district,
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 9: and they're trying to get rid of her, and it
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 9: just gets absurd.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 3: And a lot of the stuff in it is outlandish,
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 3: but just the little touches that they'll have around the schools.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 3: We had in Brian Howe this past year at Wonderfest,
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 3: and he plays the superintendent for the series. And I
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 3: remember when I picked him up at the airport, I
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 3: was talking to him about the role, and I said,
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 3: you played a district superintendent, like, dead on i said
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 3: because have you i said basically i said it's just
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 3: you walk around with like this pleasant little smile the
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 3: whole time but it's just almost like this complete sense
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 3: of ineptitude he goes he's like well it's funny you
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 3: mentioned that because he said i asked a friend of
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 3: mine like you know um what what are assistant or
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: superintendents like and they told me um walk around happy
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 3: because you have no idea what your job is.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 7: And he said, that's how I played it.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 3: And I was like, that's pretty dead on.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 7: That's most of the higher-ups in a lot of companies.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 7: All right, I see how this works.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 3: We totally got, actually.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 7: Yeah, several tangents later.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 8: Don't worry, all of those people are still alive.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: Well, okay, I'm going to do this. I haven't seen
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: the movie Loving Vincent.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: But I understand that it casts some question on whether
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: Vincent Van Gogh committed suicide. It's a story based on
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: the events of his death. But I do know that
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: Vincent Van Gogh's ghost saw the movie and committed suicide
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: in 2017. All right.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 7: Do you have footage of this? Can we watch it
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 7: on YouTube?
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: I don't have footage of it. I just have a
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: couple of personal issues with fiction that's about real people.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: I have a thing about it. It's icky to me sometimes.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: And also, as you know, I'm not a big fan
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: of biopics about artists. Or really, biopics about famous people,
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: it's a difficult problem. Sometimes, I mean, there are some
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: I like. But the other night, for some reason, we
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: watched Walk Hard. And talking about why something is funny,
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: the recognizability of it. All the jokes in that movie
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: are throwaway. What's funny about it is you recognize... what, uh,
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: like set thing, like everybody's life is put into this
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: one framework of certain beats and certain plot points. And,
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: you know, so it's almost like there's no interest in
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: them as a person whatsoever. It's just exploiting their fame
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: to be, to, to feed into a movie that's ready
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: to go. The movie is already there. And, I really
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: kind of enjoyed it. I think I had seen it before,
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: but Lynn hadn't. And we were talking about Pam from
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: The Office. And she was like, okay, we'll watch that.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: Or The Circle, but we chose. We chose.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 7: And I don't know.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: I just, I don't know about the movie. I haven't
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: seen the movie. But I have seen that single frame
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: of Vincent van Gogh that looks like a blue steel selfie.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: And I'm just like, I can't. I can't. I can't
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: do this. He's all, like, hunked up and looking sultry.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: What the fuck is this piece of shit? Does anybody
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: imagine that he would be honored by this? I don't know.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 3: I can't.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 7: Thousands of animators do. Thousands of animators.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I know.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: I'm the kind of person, like, people don't argue with
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: me about my deep black negativity. They just look at
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: me and go, okay, that guy. I'm being that guy
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: about it. He wasn't like a fucking troll or something.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: Why do they have to male model him up?
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: Why do they have to do that? I can't get
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: past that. There are a thousand hand-painted images.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 7: Millions.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: I can't get past that one. I look at that
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: one and it's like, I can't watch this. What am
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: I doing here?
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 3: At least you can't watch it sober.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, maybe.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 6: I don't know.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: And everybody loves it. Why do I always have to
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: be the dark one? I ask that many times. Why
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: do I always have to be the guy going, hey,
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: this sucks. I can't do it. And there are interesting
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: questions about his death and stuff. In the entire history
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: of self-mutilation, one person went for the year. One person.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: Some people think he threatened Gauguin and Gauguin carried a sword.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: And that's possible. We don't know. But, you know, the
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: mythology is that he was an underappreciated artist who committed suicide.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: And that seems to resonate with us because, I mean,
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: you could think of God that way. I mean, it
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: seems to have, there's something compelling about that. whether that's
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 2: actually what happened or not. It's like, oh, he put
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: his heart and soul into his heart and nobody appreciated it,
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: and then he committed suicide. So that's the story we
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 2: go with, and I don't know if it's true or not,
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: but there is something almost evangelical to me about capitalizing
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: on this famous figure like Van Gogh or God And
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: then you say you're spreading the love and their message,
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: and it's accidental that you're making money. That's just kind of, whoops.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: You know, I don't know. I just have, like, weird
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: feelings about it. And so that was my Vincent Van
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: Gogh's ghost.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 7: All this mystery behind it. I think Robert Wagner did it.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 7: I'm also more of a fan of Mozart's Ghost, but
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 7: I go to that website all the time. Anybody gets that.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 7: More power to you.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 3: All right. Well, I don't know how to really follow that.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 7: Maybe that's how we wrap up.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 3: Well, I've got a couple more to talk about, but
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 3: I do have one that will probably be a decent
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 3: lead-in to when you want to talk about your final one,
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 3: but I don't think you're there yet.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 8: Not there. Two more to go.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 3: Okay. I know I probably mentioned her last year because
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 3: I feel like she died right about the time we
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 3: were doing this episode last year. But Emanuel Riva from
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 3: Michael Haneke's Amour. For me, it's one of those performances
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 3: to where it just made me fall in love with
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 3: that actress completely. immediately because I mean I think back
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 3: over cinema that would be in my top 10 just
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 3: female performances of all time and I suppose if I'm
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 3: going to at least bumper off Fred to say where
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 3: any kind of frustration comes with this I like Jennifer
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 3: Lawrence I know she's a fan of the show but
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 3: she did.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 7: She listens to every episode.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 3: She did not deserve to win the Oscar that year
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 3: you know Silver Linings Playbook yeah it was kind of
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 3: a fun film I'm not a I'm not a David O.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 3: Russell fan for for various reasons, a lot of it
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 3: just having to do with more his professional behavior than
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 3: anything else.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: What's-his-name was really good in that. She was okay in it.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 3: Why are we both going black on his name? The
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 3: lead actor in it.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the lead actor in it.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 8: Bradley Cooper. Yeah, there we go.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 7: That guy. What does that say about his career? I
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 7: thought he was great. We all are like, yeah, what's
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 7: that dude's name?
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 3: But, I don't know. that's just one of those films
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 3: because he'd made, you know, Caché, he'd made Funny Games,
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 3: you know, and a lot of those were just, especially
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 3: like going from Funny Games to Amour, it is from
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 3: one end of the spectrum to the next because, you know,
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 3: Funny Games, it's just almost like this test of your
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 3: patience as to how much you can endure watching, whereas
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 3: the only violence that even ever happens in Amour and
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 3: it just, it shocks you completely is By the time
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 3: that her character had gotten to the point where she
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 3: was bedridden and could barely feed herself, and her husband
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 3: is feeding her, and she just spits it up, and
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 3: he slaps her instantly, nothing is said. And just what
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 3: you read off of their faces, it's one of those
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 3: films where the dialogue is incredibly minimal. And so it's
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 3: just this dissection of wondering, what are these characters thinking about?
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 3: And I can't imagine... how damned difficult that would be
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 3: to do a script like that in general. Um, just
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 3: to where so much of your performance is nonverbal. And
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 3: then for her to go through like the, the physical
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 3: transformation that she does, um, to where I know she
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 3: spent a lot of time apparently studying, um, stroke victims
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 3: and paraplegic and all this to that way. She could
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 3: try and not do a Perry, but make something incredibly believable. It's,
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 3: I remember just sitting in the theater after it ended,
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 3: just sort of like in shock and all of what
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 3: I'd seen. Though, I mean, most of his films typically
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 3: are like that, too. Though, I remember when we had
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 3: Caché at the theater, it was one of those films
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 3: like No Country for Old Men to where when the
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 3: credits rolled, you could always hear half the audience, Oh, what?
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 6: What?
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: What? There?
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: What?
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 11: What?
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 3: But that was one where it just... I don't know.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 3: There aren't many... movies that are made like that anymore,
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 3: regardless of the country tour. It's just, it's quiet, it's slow,
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 3: it's poetic, and it just, it focuses on so much
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 3: that's just unspoken. So, you know, I mean, for me,
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 3: I can't think of any performance in recent years that
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 3: just resonated the way that she did in that. So,
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 3: you know, yes, I like Jennifer Lawrence. I think she's
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 3: a fantastic actor, but that year when she won, I
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 3: was just like, Oh, you all are just giving it
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 3: to her as a resume builder. Fuck the Academy Awards
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 3: on that one.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: There is a thing about awards where they lag because
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: they realize that they missed last year and then they
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: give the award that feeds. We'll try to catch the
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: next train.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 7: It really is. It is a game of sorts. It
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 7: is one of those. Later we'll give you one when
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 7: you've been around a long time. But now.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 3: Or even when it is from year to year. you
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 3: know because there's so many of them I feel like
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 3: that when I watch the Academy Awards like you're giving
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 3: them the award this year because you feel like you
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 3: overlooked them last year you feel like you overlooked Jeremy
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 3: Irons and Dead Ringer so let's give it to him
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 3: for Reversal of Fortune which is boring as hell.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: The best was when Jeff Bridges and Colin Firth traded
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: Oscars for the performances that each should have won against
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: the other one in the other year.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 8: Yeah, Hiroshima Mon Amour too.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, that was early in her career and to
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: bookend it with those two films and those flawless performances,
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: she was fantastic.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 8: Do you have more to say?
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 3: No, I mean, that was mostly it. Because I know
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 3: she did more stage work than she did cinema. And
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 3: from what I was able to find out, there's not
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 3: much known about her outside of her performances like apparently
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 3: she was ridiculously private never married never had kids never
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 3: really even had um you know partners that much what about.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 7: Her instagram feed she wasn't constantly tweeting all day or
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 7: to think of a world that exists like that um.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 8: I feel bad because I feel like I'm just kind
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 8: of throwing this away.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: So we each came up with a list of five
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: and this doesn't fit in either, but I feel like
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: two of mine have to be back to back. So
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: Miguel Ferrer, who obviously I love more than anything, is
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: Albert in Twin Peaks. Even with the new series, which
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: I had a lot of issues with, Albert kept things
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: really super cool. And I guess he was very sick
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: at that time, as were a lot of the cast
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: members on Twin Peaks.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 7: As it's turning out. Yeah.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: But yeah, so obviously, son of Jose Ferrer, first Latino
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: winner of the Academy Awards, speaking of Academy Awards, that
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: one actually, I think, went to the right person. And
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: Rosemary Clooney, first cousin of George Clooney. I did not
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: realize that he actually began his career as a drummer.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 8: He was, music.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: Was his first love, because you always want to move
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: away from, well, I guess his mother obviously did music, but...
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: nobody was a drummer in the family. So he was like,
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: I'll be the drummer. So, uh, and then his friend
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: Bill Moomy said, okay, cool. You can be the drummer
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: in this TV show I'm doing called sunshine. And then
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: apparently he was in, um, Keith Moon's, he played drums
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: on Keith Moon's only solo album. These are the things
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: that I did not know about Miguel Ferrer.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: There's a person, there's someone who played drums?
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 8: Yeah, a whole bunch of people. Because I was like, wait,
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 8: I better confirm this.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: And I went and I went to the album and
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: there was like eight different drummers.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 8: But yeah, but Miguel Ferrer was one of them.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: I guess it was a very drum-centric album. I can't
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: say it's an album, I've heard. But yeah, Two Sides
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: of the Moon, I believe is what it was called. Uh,
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: but he, um, he then, uh, got his, uh, film start. Well,
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: he played the younger version of Jose Ferrer in a
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: Magnum PI episode. Speaking of classic episodes of the eighties and, um, yeah, son, daughter, mother.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 8: That, um, And then his first film role.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: Was in the 3D Steve Guttenberg classic, The Man Who
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: Wasn't There.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 8: And then, I guess... Class. Which has one of the
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 8: best taglines of all time.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: Being invisible gets you into spy rings, diplomatic circles, and
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: the girl's locker room, which is not a tagline you
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: will ever be able to have on another movie.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 3: Not to be confused with The Man Who Wasn't There,
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 3: the Coen Brothers film.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 7: I don't think you'll mix those two up. but then
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 7: I guess or maybe someone will I mean.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: His breakout was in Robocop and yeah but died of
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: cancer as both of his parents did which was very.
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 7: Sad Bill Murray did make Garfield so people get mixed
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 7: up on Coen Brothers movies obviously so this one as
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 7: I said earlier it'll get darker I it's Gonna have
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 7: to jump around because everything else I learned about this
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 7: person's life continued to be like, what? And I not
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 7: only met this person, I sat down with them for
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 7: an extended period. And still didn't get to half of
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 7: these things that either some of them hadn't happened yet.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 7: Others just didn't go down that crazy road. This is
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 7: Sonny Landham. And he was actually so early on in
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 7: the show. It was pre-show. It was when we were
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 7: still doing a print version of essentially what became this show.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 7: And it's sort of the interview that never was. Or
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 7: the interview happened, but nothing can maybe ever happen. I
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 7: think I could still salvage it. It was one of
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 7: those that the print was dying, you know, that the
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 7: world was coming to an end and we had to
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 7: switch to audio format. But at that point I'd already
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 7: done the interview and had it kind of laid out
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 7: and ready to print. And as usual, advertising doesn't happen.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 7: So a lot of the print version fell apart. So
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 7: I'm like, all right, we're at that point. I was
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 7: certainly interested in doing audio. I'm like, I'm going to
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 7: roll this over and turn it into something and, I
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 7: don't know what we were originally going to try to
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 7: tie it to a specific thing. At some point it
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 7: went on the back burner. I did, as a tie-in,
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 7: get him to do the bumper that you hear on
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 7: this show. But nothing ever came of it. And to
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 7: the point today, I was like, I'll go back and
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 7: listen to it. It's in a format that the computer
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 7: now doesn't even recognize anymore. Which I think I can
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 7: find a converter at some point. Again, sound quality might
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 7: be so bad nobody would want to hear it anyway.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 7: But For that time and space, I sat there with
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 7: this guy and had a conversation. And somewhere he even
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 7: took like a nice little promo shot of him like
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 7: reading our magazine. And like he, that's what I have
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 7: to say. He was a very nice person. He was
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 7: a charming guy. As you hear some of these other stories,
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 7: you're like, wait, what? He's a strange guy. Again, most people,
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 7: if you know him from anything, he's probably first and
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 7: foremost Predator. He is Billy... He's amazing. Like again, what
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 7: little screen time, the handful of one line dialogue scenes
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 7: that he has, he just nails exactly what we needed
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 7: out of that character and is a badass and goes
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 7: out like a badass. Spoiler, everybody dies in Predator. But yeah,
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 7: just is like so cool as an 80s action star
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 7: can be in that movie. That's what you needed. Before that,
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 7: he's Billy Bear in 48 Hours. So those are probably
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 7: the two most recognizable roles for him.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 3: That's a nice connection to Paxton since Paxton was in
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 3: Predator 2 for about as much screen time.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 7: So the Predator actually is taking people out is what
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 7: we're finding. But yeah, I mean, he's in a ton
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 7: of other stuff. Like you've got many, starting with like
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 7: Warriors and that's working with Walter Hills, what led him
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 7: to be in 48 Hours and kind of got his
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 7: whole career rolling. But you get to these other things,
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 7: which at least he, I mean, he was, it is
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 7: one of those, he at least was the Native American
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 7: heritage that he ended up playing most of his career.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 7: Because sometimes you get guys that are just kind of
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 7: play whatever needs to be. There are those that are like,
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 7: I'm going to be Hispanic in this role. Wait, no,
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 7: I'm Native American. He actually was surprisingly born in Georgia
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 7: for as many different states as he came to represent.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 7: Born in Georgia and was of Cherokee and Seminole tribes
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 7: and stated that he had Jewish heritage as well. So
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 7: he was a mixture of things. And then as I
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 7: get to the end here, married five times. All right.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 7: That happens a lot with celebrities. Early on in his career,
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 7: did porn, as some people have.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 2: It's usually better to do it early in your career.
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 7: So not always, but well, especially not with the Internet
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 7: the way it is now. But I guess he knowingly
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 7: did porn. The.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 7: As you get into even just the stories, for Predator,
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 7: the legend, I'm using quotes here, is that he was
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 7: temperamental enough that he was assigned a personal bodyguard on
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 7: the set of Predator, not for his own protection, but
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 7: to keep the actor from getting into fights with the
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 7: other cast members. What else? I mean, that's just the
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 7: earlier part of his career. As you get to the
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 7: later stuff, as you hit like the 2000s era, I
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 7: guess he's like, well, everybody in Predator gets elected, right?
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 7: I'm going to run for, I'm going to, he got
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 7: into politics, which is a bad idea for anyone. But,
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 7: you know, the fact that he, I think he ran
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 7: two different times to be governor of the state we're
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 7: in right now, by the way. Did you know that?
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 8: I had no idea.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 7: I'm trying to think what the date was on the
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 7: first one. But definitely... That's relevant information. Most recently, yeah,
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 7: in 2008, he was... Originally, he tried to run... In
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 7: the early 2000s, he tried to run under the Republican ticket.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 7: In 2008, he wanted to run and was actually given
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 7: the okay to run under the Libertarian Party to try
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 7: to take out the oh-so-popular Mitch McConnell. Had to withdraw
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 7: because he went on a radio talk show and said
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 7: some offensive things that... I won't. Again, this is one
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 7: of those times it was, I think, being more patriotic and,
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 7: you know, defend our country-esque than trying to just out
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 7: and out be offensive. But the way he phrased it
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 7: is offensive. So I'm not going to defend him on that.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 7: But again, these are one of those things as we
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 7: keep finding out, because we learn more and more about
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 7: celebrities now, it's like you learn these things that you're like,
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 7: damn it, they seem really nice. I don't know. Where
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 7: did that come from? So like, yeah, having sat and
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 7: had an entire conversation with this guy and then later
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 7: hearing some of the weird things that he ranted on
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 7: a radio show a decade later, I'm just like, he
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 7: seemed nice that day. I don't know. So yeah. Yeah,
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 7: he ended up having to pull out of that, even
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 7: getting off the ticket before it made it very long. Also,
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 7: I think he didn't have the funding, as it turned out.
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 7: The worst is he was living in Kentucky towards the end.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: Of Kentucky?
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 7: Possibly the way it's going. And I can't find a
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 7: 100% accurate story on any of this, other than I
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 7: did find somewhere in... one of those other little towns
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 7: in Kentucky got into a four car accident that I
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 7: think he was the initial car that he like lost
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 7: control of his rental.
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 2: He should have had a bodyguard car to prevent him.
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 7: Who wants to rent a PT cruiser is my question,
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 7: but lost control of his car. Four cars were involved.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 7: I thought at the time, the report I read from
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 7: their little like hometown newspaper said he just kind of,
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 7: even though the airplay airbag deployed, he still ended up
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 7: hitting his head, which probably didn't help things any. But
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 7: then later on, I think one of the other stories
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 7: said that he had to have a leg amputated after
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 7: that accident. Later, there were complications. He had both legs amputated.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 7: I didn't know this was true. Like I looked it
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 7: up and had heard something about that and assumed it
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 7: was people on the internet just being stupid because that's
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 7: what most of the internet does. There's photos. There was
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 7: a photo towards the very end of this past year,
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 7: like right before it happened. There's a photo of him,
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 7: it looks like in a restaurant, in a wheelchair, missing
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 7: both legs, and they were basically having him shoot a
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 7: promo video where he was doing lines from Predator so
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 7: that you would go to his GoFundMe page because now
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 7: he's not only missing his legs, but his wife had
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 7: divorced him. That's a whole nother.
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 2: That's two more legs.
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 7: That's a whole nother... Well, no, we didn't even go
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 7: down that road because he also did time for that.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 7: We didn't go down the jail road. That's a whole
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 7: nother side issue. But towards the end was... Yeah, it
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 7: was so... Had been divorced, had been through all this
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 7: hospitalization issues, and then was essentially homeless and living in
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 7: like a holiday inn somewhere day to day and was
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 7: doing like GoFundMe pages to try to survive.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 2: And then.
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 7: Whatever these complications were from all of that took him
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 7: out this year. That's a hell of a story.
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 8: He and Susan Tyrell probably should have been pen pals
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 8: or something. I feel like there's a missed love story there.
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 7: And also just special for you, Lucy died in a
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 7: hospital in Lexington. Really? Did not know that either until today.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 7: It was like whatever took him, again, he was in
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 7: the general area, but I guess whatever they were trying
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 7: to do, they must have taken him to that hospital
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 7: to do it, and that's where he died.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 8: Which hospital, do you know?
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 7: That's too much digging.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 4: Sure.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 7: The internet's full of weird information, most of which I didn't... Yeah,
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 7: so that's... I'm missing some things. There's other weird things
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 7: of him going to jail and fighting against the federal
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 7: government to try to take things off of reduced charges
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 7: that were overturned and all this other craziness that I'm
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 7: just like, I don't like that story either, but... God,
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 7: it's so much. Seemed like a very nice person the
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 7: day I talked to him. And Billy's awesome.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 2: Did he have the bodyguard to protect you from him
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 2: getting in a fight?
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 7: We didn't get in a fight at all that day,
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 7: I have to say.
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 2: That reminded me of the movie The Mission with Robert
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 2: De Niro, where he's like some sort of outlaw who
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: becomes a priest. And then he.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 2: He gets into conflict with some of the organized criminal
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 2: figures in the area, and they say, well, he can
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 2: say whatever he wants and insult me, and his collar
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 2: protects him. And De Niro says, my collar protects you.
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 7: Also the plot of We're No Angels.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 2: That's a great line.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 7: He liked to pretend to be a priest, is what
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 7: we learned. Alright, so yeah. I tried to get that one.
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 7: I was like, I'm going to go with my last
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 7: one as a much more upbeat version. So that was
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 7: as dark as I hope I have to get. That
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 7: one was pretty sad.
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 2: It's funny, all these people, you know, they mean something
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 2: to us, but we don't really know them.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 7: You know.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 2: Usually. Like, I didn't get into it, but Mary Tyler Moore,
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 2: you know, she's known for this thing. But then there's
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 2: stuff about her disagreements with Gloria Steinem. And I didn't
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: bring them up because I think they were maybe overstated,
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: like just for effect. But the way some people say
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 2: it is she disagreed with Gloria Steinem that women should
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: feel entitled to a career. And that just so totally
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 2: goes against what her iconic... But then I saw it
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 2: somewhere else where it was like... And it's a completely
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 2: different way of saying the same thing. She didn't think
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 2: women should feel obligated to themselves to have... That's a
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 2: whole different thing.
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 7: That's a different phrase.
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 2: Because the one is like women, if they want to,
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 2: shouldn't feel... It's like, no, no, that's not my kind
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 2: of feminism. But when she says women don't want, okay, yeah.
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 7: Everyone's prerogative.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 2: And I saw it stated both ways, but I don't know.
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 7: I also try to not have a job. Yeah, I know.
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 7: It's not going well, so I guess I'm going to
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 7: have to.
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 2: I can support that.
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 7: Can you support me is my question. You've got this
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 7: room over here. I'm just saying. Anyway, that's another side road.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 2: Oh, man. I'm just going to do like a little
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 2: nod because I mentioned Chubby Checker. I should mention Checkberry.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 2: And I'm just going to tell another brief story where
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 2: I'm the bad guy. There's this thing going around on
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 2: the internet like Bruce Springsteen playing live. Somebody calls out,
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 2: you never can tell from the audience. And then he
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 2: does the song and everybody's like, oh, that's so great.
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 2: Bruce Springsteen is doing the song from Pulp Fiction. This
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 2: is awesome. And it goes on and on and on.
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, it's a Chuck Berry song. It's two chords.
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 2: And they used to play it live. And he's up
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 2: there trying to figure it out. He's like, Bruce, it's
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 2: G and D and then G and D again.
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 7: Come on.
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 2: And they're like, oh, you don't get it. The cool
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 2: thing about it is he doesn't take himself seriously. It's like, yeah,
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 2: but see, I'm on his side. It's a Chuck Berry song.
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 2: Can we just say that?
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 7: Even on the soundtrack, it is the Chuck Berry version.
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 7: It's not like they just dug up some unknown person
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 7: and had them cover it. It's the original.
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 7: You're still the bad guy.
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I am still the bad guy. But there's that
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 2: iconic moment, and then there's, you know, Back to the
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 2: Future where they do the Chuck Berry show.
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 8: It's so not right.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 7: It's so not right.
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: It's so problematic on so many levels.
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so messed up. But, yeah, Chuck Berry, and
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 2: of course, you know, in the environment we're in now,
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 2: he was way ahead of that. He was problematic before
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 2: anybody was problematic. Yeah.
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 2: He was way ahead of his time. Oh, so that's, yeah,
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 2: that's probably good that I stopped.
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 8: And we let it slide because he was Chuck Berry.
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 8: Um, I saw him, gosh, not long ago.
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, maybe five years ago when he was still
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: doing the night, uh, he would do a weekly gig
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: in St. Louis at this little club and it was
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 1: with his whole family and they, at the end of it, he'd,
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 1: take his change of shoes and he'd duck walk and
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: he did all the things that you wanted him to
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: do and it was um some people thought it was
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: sad i actually thought it was really sweet because it
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 1: was his whole family and you could tell it was
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 1: like a really nice familial vibe and he was trying
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: to promote their careers and um i i enjoyed it
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: it was nice seeing a legend no matter what age.
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah or what stage of the game baggage or what
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 2: yeah But that's what I'm saying again. A lot of
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 2: other people whose stuff we like, they probably have stuff
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 2: we don't even know about. So if we could just
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 2: balance it a little bit.
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 7: The closet doors are glued shut on some people, but
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 7: the skeletons are always there. It's just what we learn
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 7: about people. Sometimes we don't want to learn it.
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because it just makes you feel bad.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 8: And he never actually... Well, yeah.
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I know, I know. He didn't physically do anything.
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know.
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 8: He just put some cameras in some bathrooms.
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 7: He was into a thing, and you know, it's his thing.
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 8: He didn't share the tapes.
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 7: Yeah, he was for his own personal, anyway.
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 8: I'm not actually, yeah. I'm going to duck walk away
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 8: from that one.
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 3: Well, we're on our second to last. I'll also just
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 3: do a quick short mention to someone who is both
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 3: known for music as well as acting. That'd be Michael Parks.
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 3: I know most folks kind of know him for playing
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 3: the Earl McGraw character from so many different Tarantino films. But,
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 3: you know, along some highway and, you know, even there's
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 3: our Twin Peaks connection, too, because he was the character's
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 3: name was Renault. I think the the like Canadian drug lord.
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 3: I don't know. Just he was one of those character
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 3: actors that. you know, very much was a character before
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 3: he got into film. Cause I love it. Anytime I
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 3: find out that, you know, a character actor was either
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 3: a car salesman for 20 years, you know, this, that,
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 3: or that you don't, I feel like you don't get
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 3: that that much anymore. Like people just want to go
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 3: straight into movies, doing bit parts. Like you don't hear
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 3: of too many scenarios to where someone in their fifties,
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 3: just through dumb luck ended up like Arlie Ermey to
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 3: where it's just, you just happen to be in the
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 3: right place at the right time. And I know when
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 3: I looked him up, he was a firefighter. He dug ditches.
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 3: He picked fruit and vegetables as like essentially a farmhand. So,
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's, you know, he had just a regular
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 3: life where he ended up stumbling into acting. And I
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 3: suppose if there's only one thing that I can just
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 3: regret about his career is that really his last major
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 3: film performance was was Tusk, and what an abysmal movie.
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 7: That's the thing, though. He's amazing in that. I am
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 7: so angry at that movie. It's so frustrating.
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 3: When I read about the history of it, I heard
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 3: it's like, oh, it essentially started as a practical joke
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 3: on a podcast or something. And that's where it should
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 3: have stayed.
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 7: Well, that's the thing. I heard that episode, the first run.
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 7: It's a good episode. It's a really entertaining way of
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 7: them spinning this idea and it becoming the idea for
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 7: one big story. And wouldn't it be fun if we
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 7: made a movie of that? But that was entertaining as
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 7: watching it after the fact was like a waste of time.
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 7: And he somehow found the worst possible way to do
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 7: everything else. It is just except that Michael Park's performance.
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's, it's one of those movies up there
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 3: with like solo to where I felt like it was
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 3: just an uncomfortable level on par with that watching it
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 3: because there's nothing. It's like watching human centipede. It's, It's
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 3: funny to hear a premise, but sitting through it, there
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 3: is nothing... At no point in time, I felt like
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 3: it was enjoyable. Yeah, he does a great performance, but
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 3: it's a disgusting character. It reminded me again, I hate
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 3: Kevin Smith so much. I really do. I respect him.
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 3: I used to love the first couple of outings, but
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 3: I've lost so much. Basically, changing the game in the 90s,
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 3: I sincerely respect him for that, but I don't like
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 3: any of his movies. I have tried so hard. As
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 3: a film geek that grew up in the 90s, I should.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 7: No, not anymore.
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 3: I feel like it's whenever I hear people talking about
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 3: how much they like an IPA. I'm like, you don't
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 3: really like IPAs. You're putting up the front that you
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 3: do because if you like beers, you're supposed to. And
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 3: I feel like it's the same if you're some movie
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 3: geek that grew up in the 90s. You're supposed to
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 3: like Kevin Smith, and I've never been able to do it.
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 7: The only blip on there, and it's a tie-in, have
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 7: you seen Red State?
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 7: It is by far the most impressive directing he has
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 7: ever done, and I think even he will admit that
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 7: because there's little done in the early ones. It's all
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 7: writing and point of camera, and that's it. It is
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 7: really well directed. It's an interesting premise that constantly keeps
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 7: sort of redefining what the movie is. And the main
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 7: antagonist is Michael Parks and he is phenomenal. Once again,
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 7: like these last couple of roles, even working in weird
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 7: Kevin Smith movies, he's great in it. Like he would
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 7: otherwise make that movie except the rest of it surprisingly works.
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 7: It's the one that he'd already kind of decided he
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 7: wasn't going to make movies anymore and then got this
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 7: weird one-off idea to do something out of his normal
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 7: genre and And it's surprisingly well put together. So I
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 7: would say watch it for both of those reasons. It's
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 7: the only time in the last I don't know how
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 7: many years I've liked a Kevin Smith movie. And Michael
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 7: Parks is amazing in it.
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 2: I kind of like IPAs.
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 7: Once again, you're the bad guy.
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 11: Noted.
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 8: It has been recorded. Speaking.
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: I forgot to say something about Della Reese when you
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: were talking about actors who were in various other professions.
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: She was a receptionist, an elevator operator, and a truck driver.
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 7: I know.
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 8: When she was a struggling musician.
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 2: But Ditch Digger is the one, like, you know, as
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 2: long as you're the best Ditch Digger, you can be.
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 3: That right there, that's where he got the weathered look.
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 3: He probably... Even when he was 30, he probably looked
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 3: the way he did when he was in the later parts.
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 2: Of his career.
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 7: I do remember that first time at a flea market
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 7: flipping through albums and went, wait, I know this guy.
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 7: I don't think I knew he had a recording career
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 7: before I'd already seen him as an actor for years.
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 7: So yeah, it was weird.
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 8: Well, my next one hits close to home, literally.
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 1: Still not Harry, but Sam Shepard, who lived many places
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 1: in his life, chose to spend his final months in
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 1: my hometown of Midway, Kentucky. And he was a scene
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: fixture for many decades before that. He is one of
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 1: those guys, of course, I mean, genius, did everything, writer, actor,
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 1: writer first, but he won 10 Obie Awards, which I
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 1: guess is the record of Obie Awards. I won a
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 1: Pulitzer Prize for Buried Child, nominated for Academy Award for
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 1: Chuck Yeager and the right stuff. I didn't realize he
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 1: was an Air Force brat. He was born in Illinois,
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 1: but grew up all over the country. Went to high
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 1: school in California and actually went to Mount San Antonio
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 1: College where he studied animal husbandry. before he learned about
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 1: bohemia before he learned about jazz and before he learned
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: about beckett and he was like.
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 10: Oh before he knew what a mobile was i'm gonna
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 10: go to new york city so he went up to
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 10: new york and became an artiste and married olan jones
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 10: and soon thereafter began an affair with patty smith and
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 10: then went on tour with dylan um And, uh, kind
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 10: of fell into acting.
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 1: Um, I had not realized the days of heaven was
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 1: actually his first movie, which is kind of a crazy
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 1: place to start, uh, in 1978. He'd been in Ronaldo
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 1: and Clara, but that doesn't really count because everybody was
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 1: in Ronaldo and Clara. Um, And then in the 80s,
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 1: of course, he met Jessica Lange and they started their relationship.
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 8: But of course, I have.
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 1: To thank him for Paris, Texas, which is one of
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 1: my favorite movies ever. And he was arguably, there's lots
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 1: of different stories about how Harry Dean Stanton came to
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 1: be involved in that film. But I think the most
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 1: reputable one is that Sam Shepard ran into him at
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 1: a bar and one of the odds and started chatting
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 1: and here he was like man i don't dig what
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 1: i'm doing and sam was like oh you need to
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 1: you need to be a star so he uh he
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 1: i'll write you something i'll write you a little something.
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 2: All right just was there a napkin.
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 8: You could yeah write that movie on a napkin.
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 7: Basically but the dialogue yeah all of harry's time yeah.
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 1: And then, of course, Sam Shepard wound up not finishing
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 1: that movie and ML Kit Carson, LM Kit Carson came
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 1: in and finished off that screenplay. So, yeah, Sam Shepard
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 1: died of ALS. It was a rough way to go.
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 1: I had a friend who worked with him during the
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 1: later years of his life when he stopped being able
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 1: to use his hands. He needed somebody because he would
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: actually just write long form. He would write everything long
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 1: form in pen. And so she came in to write
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 1: for him. And she said for him, you know, Beckett
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 1: had always been his favorite and it was just kind
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 1: of waiting for Godot toward the end and he felt
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 1: like there was some poetry in that.
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 8: And so he was okay with it all.
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 4: Nice.
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 3: I like.
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 7: That. That was my final one was to go with
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 7: one that was just kind of an all around good
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 7: interaction and memory and happened in a weird way. As
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 7: we said earlier, like, You're always kind of bombarded with
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 7: celebrity death. And this one also hit in a weird way.
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 7: Once again, in a flea market, obviously I go to
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 7: a lot of flea markets and we're like flipping through
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 7: photos and I'm the usual there with Misty. And she's
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 7: just like, Hey, that guy just died. And I'm like, wait, wait,
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 7: I know that. Like I talked to that guy. It's
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 7: Richard Anderson who again for the fan community was known, uh,
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 7: He's known specifically as Oscar Goldman from the Bionic Man,
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 7: Bionic Woman, that whole series, the whole $ 6 million run,
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 7: all the TV movies. He was in for the long haul.
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 7: He played that character on both TV shows. He was
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 7: in every TV movie they did after that. He knew
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 7: that was people love me for this. I'm going to
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 7: keep playing it. But that's the thing. He was at
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 7: the convention years and years ago, and I went back
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 7: and I did that, like, well, even then, even, you know,
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 7: by Six Million Dollar Man, he was a little bit older,
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 7: so it's like, where else was he been? Oh my god, like,
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 7: you start going through that list of classic films, I mean,
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 7: he's in like a couple hundred roles, 190 credits, and then,
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 7: so it was one of those, like, starting to talk
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 7: to him, and it's the worst scenario, sadly, the audio
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 7: is still available for this one, and it sounds horrible,
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 7: as as the now I kind of have some sense
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 7: of figuring out sound in the biggest droniest room ever
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 7: all right I'm setting the scene for how terrible this
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 7: is on top of that there's like a Sony like
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 7: table aisle over that's blaring some sort of weird techno
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 7: music in the background you've also got Mickey Dolas playing
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 7: his drums on his table He's got his drumsticks there
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 7: and is constantly banging away on the table where he's
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 7: signing things. This is a weird world that we exist in,
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 7: in this little story. And then in the middle of it,
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 7: Q comes up and interrupts us. So that John Delancey,
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 7: but it ties in because that's the thing. As, as
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 7: I got into this, even by then he was, I
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 7: think I did the math. He was like maybe 84
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 7: that far back when I talked to him. Cause he
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 7: was 91 when he died. So like, I start talking
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 7: to him and I'm like, all of a sudden I'm like,
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 7: he's just kind of everybody's cool grandpa. Like you'll meet
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 7: somebody's friend and you're like, man, your grandpa's pretty freaking cool.
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 7: And like, that's the thing. He was just, even at
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 7: the convention, he's just relatively well-dressed and he's kind of like, again,
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 7: he's 84, but he's surrounded by all these dorks and
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 7: they're doing their dorky thing. And like this guy goes
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 7: by and I had this on because I went back
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 7: and let's do it. There's this guy goes by in
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 7: this giant Mad Hatter hat And he just kind of
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 7: looks at it and goes, whoa. I don't think what
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 7: his actual quote. He just looks at it and kind
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 7: of shakes it. He's like, I'm telling you. And I
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 7: was like, yeah. And he goes, no, no. Hats are back.
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 7: And I'm like, that's kind of awesome, dude. I was like,
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 7: he just was just rolling with it. Like, so amazing.
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 7: And so you go through and, like, he's just, again,
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 7: he seems just like a cool old guy. But midway in,
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 7: you're like, wait, did you just talk about Gary Cooper? Yeah, okay,
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 7: when you met Gary Cooper, that's cool. So, yeah, I mean, he's, like,
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 7: going all the way back to, like, he's in Forbidden Planet.
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 7: He's in The Long Hot Summer with Orson Welles and
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 7: is telling stories about working with Orson Welles. He's in
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 7: Kitten with a Whip with Ann-Margaret. He's one of the
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 7: doctors in Seconds. So, I mean, he's working with Frankenheimer
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 7: at this point. He's in Paths of Glory. He's working
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 7: with Kubrick. Like, the list of, like, freaking Westerns he
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 7: was in and all these Western TV shows. And, like,
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 7: he's just this, like, wealth of old-school Hollywood stories. And
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 7: he's just kind of hanging out there. And, again, everybody
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 7: else just wants to talk about, you know, the Bionic
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 7: Woman all day. And I'm just like... No, go back
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 7: to that other story. He was just a really cool dude.
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 7: And so I bought those photos that were at the
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 7: flea market. And now they're sitting there to remind me
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 7: that I spent a few minutes hanging out with that guy.
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 7: But yeah, the interruption part was in the middle. And this,
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 7: I'm going to kind of give you, I'm going to
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 7: call you out, John Delancey. He's in the middle of
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 7: us talking. Like, it's very obvious. I'm holding a microphone
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 7: in front of this dude's face. We're doing an interview.
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 7: Completely comes up and interrupts us. This would be Q
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 7: from the next generation for extra geeky people out there.
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 7: But here's the thing I was saying, why I wanted
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 7: to bring it up. Even this guy, who in that
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 7: world is probably a god. You know, you're surrounded by,
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 7: I mean, Kirk was in that building too. So Trekkies
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 7: are everywhere. So that guy probably feels like he's a
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 7: big shot in that world. Obviously, he came up and
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 7: interrupted us. But when he started talking to Richard, he's like,
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 7: I just wanted to say you were in the very
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 7: first thing that I ever worked on. And you were
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 7: really nice to me. And I just wanted to say
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 7: thank you. So he interrupted me to say it. But
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 7: he had like nothing but like appreciation as this upstart
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 7: kid trying to get into the acting business. And by
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 7: that time, Richard was the old, you know, weathered veteran.
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 7: And he's like super nice to him even on set.
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 7: So it's like even hearing it from someone else who
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 7: had worked with him, I'm like, well, all right. Nobody
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 7: has a bad story. He seemed like a pretty awesome guy.
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 7: So he made it to 91 too. So he had
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 7: a hell of a run. So, yep. Richard Anderson. He
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 7: was a pretty cool guy.
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 4: So there.
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 7: I went out on a good one.
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 4: Alright.
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 7: It was a happy story.
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 3: You're out, right?
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 2: But I feel bad now because everybody turned to me
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 2: and it's like one time I was walking downtown around
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 2: Christmas and somebody was out with a microphone and they
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 2: were asking people I heard them ask a person who
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 2: went by is there someone you want to wish Merry
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 2: Christmas to? And They asked me and I was like, no,
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 2: I'm good. But then I worried they were going to
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 2: air it. Not much Christmas cheer down here. Spirit of
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 2: Christmas is lost this year. Leave me alone. I'm on
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 2: my way to my county house.
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 7: Got your name under your face. You're on every break
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 7: going into commercial for the next. No, no, I'm good.
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 3: It just turns into a viral video.
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 7: Now it would.
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 3: It's up there with just recently when we had the snowstorms,
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 3: you saw that clip of the woman in North Carolina.
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 3: They interviewed her and it's, I guarantee you the TV
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 3: crew like, let's talk to that lady.
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 7: And so they, you know, they do that.
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 3: I mean, she looks great. She looks like she should be,
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 3: you know, in an Errol Morris documentary. Like she's, A
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 3: character out of Vernon, Florida or something. But they walk
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 3: up to her and they ask, you know, what are
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 3: you planning to do, you know, during the snowstorm? And she.
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 2: God, what's she say?
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 3: It's... She's like, well, we're just gonna stay in, make food,
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 3: eat bread, and get all fat and sassy.
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 7: It's sad that I have seen that.
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 8: As have I.
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 3: But... I thought I saw everything. But anyway... For me,
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 3: the one I was just going to finish with, he
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 3: just recently passed, was Bradford Dillman, who also, like Richard Anson,
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 3: in frigging everything. And when it comes to him, you know,
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 3: my story with him is kind of similar to the
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 3: one that I had last year with Angus Scrimm, to
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 3: where I'm not big on the big convention circuit. You know,
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 3: pay $ 100, get in the door, pay $ 50 to wait
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 3: in line to see this person. It's just, I like
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 3: just writing. If I can write a nice letter... and
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 3: then just send it off with maybe a photo, I'm fine.
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 3: If it never comes back, so be it. I had
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 3: a friend who collected autographs for years, and he says,
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 3: anytime you send off an autograph in the mail, assume
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 3: it's gone. Don't expect it to come back. And if
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 3: it does, then it's a pleasure. And far rarer is
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 3: when you actually, because I always ask questions like, hey,
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 3: these are the movies I like you for. Is there
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 3: something that you would recommend? I might ask, Basically, if
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 3: I was standing there talking, what questions would I ask?
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 3: The majority of the time, nine times out of ten,
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 3: because that sounds like a good fraction. Everybody says nine
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 3: times out of ten. I don't think it's that exact.
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 3: 70% of the time. Yeah. Most of the time, if
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 3: you do get something back, it's just signed. You don't
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 3: get anything back. Bradford Dillman was another one, like Scrim,
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 3: to where he wrote back. I can't remember what I'd
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 3: asked him. I meant to go back and look at it,
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 3: and I Got sidetracked with my story I told you
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 3: all about earlier yesterday. But I then, you know, kind
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 3: of just sent a letter back just asking him a
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 3: few more questions. And then he ended up just sending
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 3: me a copy of his autobiography just saying, here you go.
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 7: Here you go.
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 3: He said, here, give it a read. You'll probably find
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 3: this fun. And it is, you know, because most autobiographies
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 3: are just dry. It's just here's a chronological story. It's
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 3: nothing but a series of anecdotes. that are sectioned based
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 3: on theme so they're anachronistic it jumps around but i
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 3: mean he has stories of working with you know greats
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 3: like orson welles to just like be movie character actors
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 3: like cameron mitchell and it's just fun because every single
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 3: anecdote is only like a lot of them are just
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 3: a quick little paragraph and a lot of them are
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 3: advice to potential actors or just dealing with being in
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 3: a crappy situation. There's one that made me laugh so
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 3: much about they were on the set of a film
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 3: doing the table read for the script. And the screenwriter
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 3: and the director got up. They excused themselves. They had
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 3: to go talk to the producer. And so he and
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 3: the other actors looked around the table and in that
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 3: moment they realized this is a really shitty fucking script.
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 3: And so as one of them kind of made a
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 3: comment like, how are we going to do this? He goes,
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 3: I call gum chewing. And so they all started picking
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 3: out some weird, stupid gimmick that they could do on
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 3: screen just to pass the time. And that always just
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 3: comes to mind anytime I'm watching some cheesy movie and
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 3: you notice somebody has to... They're playing with a coin
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 3: or something. It's like a seasoned pro advice. Find some
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 3: schtick to get through the horrible dialogue, but.
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 3: He apparently had a usual clique of other character actors
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 3: that he hung out with, and I wrote them down.
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 3: I've whipped it up just because it... Imagine sitting at
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 3: a table with not only Bradford Dillman, but William Daniels,
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 3: Doris Roberts, Robert Reed, E.G. Marshall, Angie Dickinson. They were
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 3: like a regular lunch group. Yeah. How fun would it
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 3: be to just sit and figure out what the hell,
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 3: what stories are they sharing?
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 7: Where's that sitcom? Yeah, exactly. Forget this friends nonsense. Can
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 7: we just focus on this guy?
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but E.G. Marshall, you know, just to kind of
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 3: wrap up, he was always one. I remember trying to
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 3: figure out what the hell does eg stand for and
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 3: apparently eg would never even he just made it up
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 3: because he thought it sounded like an official name and
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 3: so when interviewers would ask him he would say yeah
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 3: everybody's guess but dillman he actually kept like unlike most
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 3: a lot of other actors he kept his birth name
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 3: and in the book he he cites he said um
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 3: well It sounded like a distinguished theatrical and phony name,
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 3: so I kept it.
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 7: I kept my fake, phony, real name.
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 3: But, I mean, he was just in so much, I mean,
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 3: you know, a ridiculous amount of connections just to, you know,
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 3: everyone that we've talked about. I mean, he worked in
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 3: a lot of Corman stuff, and that's how he ended
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 3: up being in some of Dante. He worked, like I said,
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 3: with Wells, Irwin Allen, all these people that he just
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 3: interacted with. And I think one of my favorite... things
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 3: about it is the name of the book is Are
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 3: You Anybody? And he opens up with a story about
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 3: how it's just, you know, he'll be in a grocery
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 3: and just someone will be like, wait, are you somebody?
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 3: You look like you're somebody. Just because he was in,
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 3: you know, hundreds of films. But even though he was
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 3: like a lead in a lot of stuff, it's like
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 3: he never really made it past that threshold. He always
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 3: just played a lot of bit parts. So I felt
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 3: like just... having a character actor that everyone's like, I
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 3: know that person. I've seen him in a million things.
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 3: You've definitely got one that falls there too.
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 8: Yeah, and thank you very much for that.
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 1: I feel like everything has been a segue into Harry
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 1: Dean Stanton, but that's probably the best segue into Harry
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 1: Dean Stanton.
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 2: Human history up to this moment has been a segue.
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 7: That was really the main reason I questioned it this year.
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 7: I was like, these people that I've interacted with was
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 7: an afternoon. Like, you've had a good amount of your
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 7: life invested in this person. So I was like, is
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 7: it too much this year? Like, is it going to
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 7: be overwhelming? If so, we can skip this year. But
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 7: you were willing to take on this responsibility. So I
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 7: appreciate that you were even up for it. And I'm assuming,
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 7: you know, lots of Harry Dean is to come.
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think my brain's kind of divided
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 1: it into, like, when I'm talking about Harry Dean, I'm
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 1: talking about Harry Dean the actor, and I'm not talking
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 1: about Harry Dean the sweet old man who showed me
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 1: around Los Angeles. Like, there's two, like, I have to
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 1: compartmentalize or I will get, like, super emotional about it.
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 1: I do actually, before I start on Harry Dean, I
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 1: do want to say that we lost two guests of
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 1: Harry Dean's Stanton Fest this year. Harry Dean was, of course,
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 1: one of them, but also Kona. Monty Hellman's dog, who
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 1: was the sweetest dog in the history of ever.
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 8: I met Kona. Kona was awesome. Kona was amazing.
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 1: And Kona came to Kentucky with Monty and sat on
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 1: the stage because she was his emotional service support animal
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 1: and was just a delight in every way. So she
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 1: passed unexpectedly this year, which I know has been really
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 1: hard on Monty.
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 7: It is very sad i sat there at lunch with kona.
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah kona kona was awesome so uh kona's passing was
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 1: not expected harry harry was 91 years old so it's
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 1: and he literally lived every day of his life exactly
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 1: the way he wanted to so it's hard to be
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 1: sad about his passing because he did it right.
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 7: And having the bookend to his career that he did
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 7: just like And here's this. This is the way to go.
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 1: Even though it clearly should, he should have been nominated
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 1: for an Oscar. And that makes me so.
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 7: Annoyed with this past couple of weeks.
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 8: So annoyed by that. So annoyed. So annoyed that he
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 8: wasn't nominated for a Golden Globe.
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 1: Because they were just, you know, there's two different categories
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 1: of acting. There's the comedic category where they were throwing
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 1: that Anson Elgar kid in there.
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 8: And that's just silly. Like that's just silly that he
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 8: got nominated for Baby Driver and Harry didn't get nominated
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 8: for Lucky. Yeah.
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 1: Um, but so obviously people listening to don't know who
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 1: Harry Dean Stanton is, um, within over, has over 200
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 1: IMDB credits, uh, grew up in Lexington, went to Lafayette
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 1: high school, uh, which by the way, uh, other alumni
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 1: include Richard Hill and Jim Barney, who I believe were
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 1: the same year or like one year apart, which is
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 1: just mind boggling. They were like, yeah, walking the halls
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 1: of Lafayette high school together, which is so bizarre.
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 7: Imagine that cafeteria.
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 1: But Harry was one of those old school dudes where,
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 1: you know, he went to college and he started acting there.
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 1: But then he left to go serve in World War
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 1: II where he was a cook in a ship at
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 1: the Battle of Okinawa and then came back and went
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 1: back to acting. And Wallace Beery, who was far too
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 1: good for the UK theater department, frankly, also saw that
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 1: Harry was far too good for the UK theater department.
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 8: I was like, dude, you got to get on out
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 8: of here. Like, don't waste your time with us. Just
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 8: head on west.
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 7: Impressive as a member of the faculty to be like, no, no, no, no, no.
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 7: Don't waste your time.
• 2:12:35
  Speaker 8: Keep going.
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 1: So Harry went out west and got involved with the
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 1: Pasadena Playhouse, which obviously spawned a lot of fantastic talent
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 1: and then just started being in everything. Every Western TV
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 1: show there was. He started his TV career in 1954
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 1: with Inner Sanctum and then was in Revolt of Fort Laramie.
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 1: He was in Alfred Hitchcock's The Wrong Man in an
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 1: uncredited role. Really interesting early career. I wrote a list
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 1: of all the directors that Harry worked with just off
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 1: the top of my head, and these are just ads
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 1: they were coming to me, so it's not in any
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 1: real order, but it's insane. Alfred Hitchcock, Martin Scorsese, Monty Hellman,
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 1: David Lynch, John Huston, Ridley Scott, John Carpenter, Wim Wenders,
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 1: Alex Cox, John Milius, Robert Altman, Terry Gilliam, Martin McDonnell,
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 1: we'll throw him in there, And Francis Ford Coppola, like
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 1: that's an insane list of directors from every era.
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 7: A couple of those I've heard of, yeah.
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 1: And so obviously, you know, 1984 was the big year
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 1: for Harry. He was in Repo Man and Paris, Texas,
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 1: Back to Back, which were two of his biggest, most
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 1: iconic roles. And then just this last year, as you mentioned,
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 1: he was in Lucky, John Carroll Lynch's film that was
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 1: written by Harry's. Assistant Logan, who knew him better than
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 1: most people and just kind of basically peppered a script
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 1: with all the things that Harry would say. So Harry
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 1: really should have gotten a co-screenwriter credit on that.
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 7: Just for having his life. So much of that was
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 7: just sort of, this is what Harry does in the morning.
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 7: I don't know. Yeah.
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 1: And there'd be lines that, yeah, I was just like, oh,
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 1: I thought that was a thing Harry just said to me. No,
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 1: that was apparently a thing that Harry said all the time.
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 1: But it was a nice tribute to him and the
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 1: closing shot. And that movie, if you haven't seen it,
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 1: is so heartbreaking. The movie came out just two weeks
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 1: after his passing.
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 8: So, yeah.
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 7: And if Harry didn't win you over, the acting by
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 7: David Lynch is amazing.
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 8: So good.
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 7: He needs to be more stuff as an actor. I
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 7: said that recently on an episode, but I'm like, he's
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 7: so fun as an actor. He's a crazy person when
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 7: he directs, but him as the crazy person in front
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 7: of the camera is always so damn fun.
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 8: Yeah, he's hypnotic.
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 1: And obviously, you know, a couple times David Lynch has
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 1: called Harry his muse. They did six different projects together.
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 1: We could do a whole Harry Dean Stanton Fest that
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 1: would just be David Lynch projects. And hopefully maybe one
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 1: day we will.
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 7: It's overwhelming, really, all of it, but especially you get
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 7: to these 91-year-old guys that did everything. Yeah, it's a
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 7: crazy life that they choose, and then all of this
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 7: stuff kind of like piled up at the end is
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 7: just sort of overwhelming.
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 8: Yeah, and I will say this.
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 1: I think we're going to kind of change the model
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 1: of Harry Dean Stanton Fest. We've been doing it through
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 1: the Lexington Film League. I think that I'm going to
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 1: create a standalone 501c3 film So that we can have
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 1: board members that are like Harry's family members and his
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 1: friends so that they can kind of shape what his
• 2:15:30
  Speaker 1: legacy is going forward since, you know. And it's funny,
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 1: a friend of mine had contacted me when Harry passed
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 1: and he was like, the couch, where's this couch going?
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 1: Because Harry's couch is in so many documentaries and there's
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 1: so many clips. Because I remember when I went out
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 1: to Los Angeles to interview Harry and he was just like,
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 1: so show where my bathrobe.
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 8: And I thought he was joking. And I, I was
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 8: just like, yeah, of course, Harry, where that bathrobe. And
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 8: I got there.
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 1: He was in fact in his bathrobe and we just
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 1: sat on the couch and did like a two hour interview.
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 1: And the footage of which I can't find, but let's
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 1: not talk about that right now.
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 8: It's somewhere.
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 7: It's somewhere.
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 1: And, uh, but, uh, I had, I had thought about
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 1: that couch a lot over the years and I had
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 1: sort of wondered when Harry does pass, it's probably just
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 1: going to go to a Goodwill and, uh, who's going
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 1: to buy Harry's couch and where's it going to live
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 1: and what's the next house and will they know? And
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 1: so I reached out to his family when my friend
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 1: reminded me about that. And I was just like, so
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 1: it's the couch. Where is, I mean, are you guys
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 1: just going to donate it to Goodwill? Is it going
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 1: to get thrown in the trash? Because if it's not,
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 1: I have a friend who's been talking about doing a
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 1: Kentucky film museum project. Could we maybe get the couch?
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 1: And so the family has donated the couch.
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 3: Oh, that's awesome.
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 1: So I'm either going out to pick up the couch
• 2:16:41
  Speaker 1: or I'm finding a mover to bring the couch.
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 8: But the couch is coming home, as is Harry.
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 3: You can almost have a documentary just in you going
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 3: across country to pick up the couch.
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 8: That's actually what my friend Mark was listening to.
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 2: You might want to rummage around in the couch for
• 2:16:56
  Speaker 2: the footage.
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 7: Spare change in the footage.
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 1: But Jim Huggins, who's Harry's cousin, who's one of the
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 1: sweetest people, Harry's whole family is so freaking sweet, he got.
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 8: A big box of other stuff.
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 1: I think he kind of sent me a photo of it,
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 1: and it looked like Harry's last crossword puzzle, and it's
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 1: magnifying glass, and his telephone that he always talked to.
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 1: So all that stuff is eventually going to be in
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 1: some sort of museum in Lexington in honor of Harry.
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 7: We'll put it off in the lobby of the Kentucky Theater.
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 7: I know, right?
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 8: Well, I was thinking we might.
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 7: Have to.
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 1: Store the couch in the green room for a minute
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 1: until we have an actual space.
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 7: Encase it in bulletproof glass. Forever protected.
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 1: But after that conversation, I don't know if you guys
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 1: saw the New Yorker piece, but they had people asking
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 1: about people who had died in 2017, like what the
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 1: most important things were. And so Sarah Stant and his cousin.
• 2:17:50
  Speaker 8: mentioned the couch. And so the couch is now New
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 8: Yorker proof.
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 10: Wow.
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 8: Or New York Times Magazine, sorry.
• 2:17:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 7: So there. Even that one. The couch has a happy ending.
• 2:18:04
  Speaker 7: It all ends up on an up note.
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 3: Well, that's a positive way to.
• 2:18:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, none of these people die. They're all
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 1: committed to celluloid. They're all part of our lives.
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 2: Except for Venko.
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 7: His ghost is still lurking in your house, I think.
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 7: That's why you're so disturbed. He's just poking at your
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 7: brain all day.
• 2:18:25
  Speaker 3: I mean, if you want, we can go burn down
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 3: the Speed Cinema. Would that make you feel better?
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 2: No.
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 7: All right. I think we at least have survived another
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 7: one of these episodes.
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 3: My only wish is that Emmett Walsh continues to survive
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 3: since he fell into the Roger Ebert-Walsh-Stanton rule where he
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 3: said any movie that has one of those two men
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 3: in it is more than watchable.
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 1: And I will say this, Roger Ebert later went on
• 2:18:55
  Speaker 1: to say that Dream a Little Dream was not in.
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 8: Keeping with that rule. I just saw Dream a Little Dream.
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 8: I had never seen it. I had put it off.
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 3: It's brilliant.
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 7: Not since it was on cable. And even then, I
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 7: don't know. I just kind of saw it in passing.
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 8: I suggest a rewatch.
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 1: It is batshit crazy and fantastic. And Jason Robards is stunning.
• 2:19:23
  Speaker 7: I do remember even at the time going, how did
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 7: they sucker him in?
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 1: They marketed it as a Corey movie, but it's not
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 1: a Corey movie.
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 8: It's really subversive and interesting.
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 7: But there's a lot of Feldman going on. Haim I'm
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 7: fine with, but Feldman.
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 8: But he's actually not even terrible in it.
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 1: Because the whole time you're thinking, well, it's not Feldman
• 2:19:39
  Speaker 1: as Jason Robards because it's like a switch body situation.
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 7: I know, because there weren't very many of those at
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 7: that point. Thank God that died off. We have a
• 2:19:49
  Speaker 7: resurgence once a decade or so. There's a new one,
• 2:19:52
  Speaker 7: but it was such a thing.
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 3: Maybe they'll do one to where you have Van Gogh
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 3: ending up in a kid that's painting. Maybe they'll Maybe
• 2:20:05
  Speaker 3: they'll do the body-switching thing there.
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 2: I had a period of time where I went around
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 2: listening to Van Gogh's letters all day. And just the
• 2:20:12
  Speaker 2: thing is, he had such doubts. He was so conflicted
• 2:20:15
  Speaker 2: about his work. I don't think he would feel that
• 2:20:17
  Speaker 2: good about having it just all positively celebrated. There were
• 2:20:23
  Speaker 2: points where he was like, I can see my work's
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 2: not important. That's clear to me now. It's so touching.
• 2:20:30
  Speaker 2: you know, everybody.
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 7: I think real artists are always kind of like that, right?
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's what I think too. I think people
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 2: who go around and are just always like, oh, what
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 2: I'm doing is great. They don't, they worry me. Um,
• 2:20:44
  Speaker 2: like a friend of mine was a playwright and I
• 2:20:47
  Speaker 2: asked her how it was going. She, and she was like,
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 2: it sounded like she was talking about a teenage child
• 2:20:53
  Speaker 2: that she was worried about. And I thought, this is
• 2:20:55
  Speaker 2: probably pretty good. This sounds like, I want to read this.
• 2:21:01
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 2:21:02
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 2:21:04
  Speaker 7: So that's the way your art should be.
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 7: You should worry a little bit about it at any moment.
• 2:21:07
  Speaker 2: So what were the recommendations that have come up in
• 2:21:09
  Speaker 2: this conversation we had? Dream a little dream. Dream a
• 2:21:14
  Speaker 2: little dream. That is unequivocal and I shouldn't watch the
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 2: circle is the vibe I'm getting.
• 2:21:20
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 2:21:21
  Speaker 2: Because we came very close just the other night.
• 2:21:23
  Speaker 3: If you're looking for a book recommend, I really would
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 3: recommend Are You Anybody? The Bradford Dillman biography.
• 2:21:29
  Speaker 1: It is.
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 3: You can read it in an afternoon. I mean, it's
• 2:21:33
  Speaker 3: just a series of great old Hollywood anecdotes.
• 2:21:37
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's great.
• 2:21:38
  Speaker 3: Told informally as if you were just sitting on the
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 3: couch with him. And it's... They're a lot of fun.
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 2: And then, of course, if any... has not seen lucky
• 2:21:46
  Speaker 2: or anything that harry dean sent pretty much we can
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 2: make it the reason i just thought of that is
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 2: very often i wind up scrolling back through the cast
• 2:21:54
  Speaker 2: like what did they say what did that yeah i
• 2:21:58
  Speaker 2: doubt that's occurred i doubt i think there's a like
• 2:22:02
  Speaker 2: a law of physics that everyone has seen him in something.
• 2:22:06
  Speaker 3: He was in the avengers i think you have to
• 2:22:08
  Speaker 3: yeah that's probably where Oh, he was in the Avengers.
• 2:22:12
  Speaker 7: That's that janitor guy, right?
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 2:22:18
  Speaker 3: Oh, we're still recording.
• 2:22:19
  Speaker 7: I think that about does it. We're still with this.
• 2:22:25
  Speaker 7: We haven't passed on yet. So, otherwise, that does it
• 2:22:29
  Speaker 7: for another one of these episodes for another year. We
• 2:22:31
  Speaker 7: shall return next time. Same geek feed. Thanks for listening.
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  Speaker 11: My world is empty without.
• 2:22:54
  Speaker 7: You, baby.
• 2:22:57
  Speaker 11: My world is empty without you, baby And as I go,
• 2:23:07
  Speaker 11: as I go my way alone Oh, Lord, no I
• 2:23:13
  Speaker 11: find it very, very hard for me to carry.
• 2:23:17
  Speaker 5: On I need your strength.
• 2:23:22
  Speaker 11: I need your tender touch. Oh, I need your good loving,
• 2:23:29
  Speaker 11: my darling. I miss so much. My world is empty
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 11: without you, baby. Listen to me. My world is empty
• 2:23:44
  Speaker 11: without you, baby. And from this old world, from this
• 2:23:51
  Speaker 11: old world, I can kind of hide my face. Oh,
• 2:23:56
  Speaker 11: but oh, from this loneliness, there's no hiding place. Inside
• 2:24:03
  Speaker 11: this cold, this cold and empty.
• 2:24:07
  Speaker 7: House I dwell.
• 2:24:11
  Speaker 11: In darkness with memories I know too doggone well. Almost
• 2:24:36
  Speaker 11: have felt just like this Since love between us Oh,
• 2:24:44
  Speaker 11: it no longer exists And every time Every single time
• 2:24:51
  Speaker 11: The darkness falls It finds me alone.
• 2:25:03
  Speaker 7: My world is empty. Oh, it's so empty without you, baby.
• 2:25:06
  Speaker 11: I need your lovin'. My world is empty.
• 2:25:12
  Speaker 8: Oh, it's just empty without.
• 2:25:13
  Speaker 2: You, baby.
• 2:25:14
  Speaker 3: Come on home.
• 2:25:15
  Speaker 5: My world is empty.
• 2:25:17
  Speaker 7: Oh, it's.
• 2:25:21
  Speaker 2: Theoretically, you could just keep doing this episode as people die.
• 2:25:25
  Speaker 7: It feels like every year that's what it becomes. Because
• 2:25:28
  Speaker 7: I'll just log on and be like, damn it. Another? Stop.
• 2:25:33
  Speaker 7: Stop dying.
• 2:25:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's like Predator. You know, everybody dies.
• 2:25:38
  Speaker 7: It's taking everybody out. First they all have to become governor. Yeah.
• 2:25:41
  Speaker 7: And then they die.
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