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PICKING UP THE PIECES: Could 2018 Orioles provide a road map for rebuilding Angels? Jim Palmer joins · Halo Territory: A Los Angeles Angels Podcast

• 0:06
  Speaker 1: Well, hey Angel fans, and welcome back to Halo Territory
• 0:09
  Speaker 1: on Mike D. Giovanni, former Ela Times Baseball writer, joined
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  Speaker 1: by Mark Trumbo, my regular co host and former Angel slugger.
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  Speaker 1: And if you're watching us on YouTube, you can see
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  Speaker 1: we have a very special guest today, Jim Palmer, the
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  Speaker 1: Hall of Fame pitcher, the three time Cy Young Award winner,
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  Speaker 1: the three time World Series champion, h and broadcast analysts
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  Speaker 1: for the Baltimore Orioles. Jim, really appreciate you joining us today.
• 0:33
  Speaker 2: How you going, I'm good. Thanks that nice to be
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  Speaker 2: with you.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Really appreciate it. So we thought, in the
• 0:40
  Speaker 1: wake of the Angels sell off at the trade deadline,
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  Speaker 1: it would be interesting to examine the challenges for teams
• 0:46
  Speaker 1: that are quote unquote playing out the string. How guys
• 0:50
  Speaker 1: approached the final two months of a season in which
• 0:53
  Speaker 1: they had nothing to play for. Now, Jim Palmer has
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  Speaker 1: never experienced that as a player. This is hard.
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  Speaker 3: I looked it up. I couldn't believe this.
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  Speaker 2: Jim.
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  Speaker 1: The Orioles had one losing season in your twenty two
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  Speaker 1: years in Baltimore, But as an Oriols TV analyst, there's
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  Speaker 1: no better example. Than twenty eighteen. The Orioles were thirty
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  Speaker 1: two and seventy five and forty two games back on
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  Speaker 1: July thirty first, and they traded away a big chunk
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  Speaker 1: of the MLB roster, including Manny Machado, Zach Britton, Kevin Gossman,
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  Speaker 1: Jonathan Shoop and others in a matter of days. Now
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  Speaker 1: Jim as a broadcaster and a franchise icon. What was
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  Speaker 1: that period like inside the organization and especially for the
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  Speaker 1: fan base.
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  Speaker 2: Well, obviously the fan base wasn't happy. I mean, this
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  Speaker 2: was the team, you know that. Well twenty fourteen and
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  Speaker 2: again Mark wasn't there. I think Mark Urrud did what
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  Speaker 2: twenty and sixteen when he led the American leage at
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  Speaker 2: home runs with forty seven. But in the club, you know,
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  Speaker 2: so what they were ninety six and sixty sixty two
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  Speaker 2: thousand in fourteen fifteen, eighty one and eighty one seen,
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  Speaker 2: eighty nine and seventy three marks first year there, and
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  Speaker 2: then progressively if you look, I mean, seventy five and
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  Speaker 2: eighty seven, and then they would end up what forty seven,
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  Speaker 2: one hundred and fifteen, Yeah, fifteen. I don't think he
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  Speaker 2: really wanted to sign in Baltimore even you know, years earlier,
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  Speaker 2: Dan Duquett was the general manager. He said, do you
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  Speaker 2: think Manny would what's sign an extension? I go, well,
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  Speaker 2: I'll go ask him. So early on. This is not
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  Speaker 2: twenty eighteen, this is like, you know, he's you know,
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  Speaker 2: I had some knee problems. He had both Lika vincent
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  Speaker 2: is right and left knee fixed by I think alatrosh elatrosh.
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  Speaker 2: And I went down the cage. I said, hey, would
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  Speaker 2: you sign the sentient? He said, of course. But again,
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  Speaker 2: when you go into your free agent year, things changed
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  Speaker 2: and guys are making more money and whatever. So this
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  Speaker 2: is a club that got aggressively worse. And Mark was there.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I mean I did four and thirty two
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  Speaker 2: finishes with the Oarls. I did fourteen straight losing years,
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  Speaker 2: you know, from like nineteen eighty nine all the way
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  Speaker 2: till when Buck Showwater came, I think, and came what
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  Speaker 2: twenty eleven, had their first winning year in twenty and twelve.
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  Speaker 2: So obviously, when you're as good as the Ools were,
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  Speaker 2: you know, now, as they were in ninety you know
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  Speaker 2: in two thousand, what.
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  Speaker 1: Ninety seven, you're in the playoffs.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, right, exactly. Well, I mean go way back, they
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  Speaker 2: had an also team, so again, you know, the fan
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  Speaker 2: expected him to be better than they were. But Dan
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  Speaker 2: du Kent was saying, Okay, we're not winning. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: like I said, we ended up forty seven and a
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  Speaker 2: hundred and fifteen. Let's get the best deals we can.
• 3:31
  Speaker 2: I'm not really sure they did, because they probably waited
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  Speaker 2: a year long longer to trade Manny Machado than they
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  Speaker 2: should have.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's always a really tough one that Manny I
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  Speaker 4: think one of the most understood players in the game.
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  Speaker 4: He was an excellent teammate and I just wanted to
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  Speaker 4: get that part in there. This is the first time
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  Speaker 4: the Angels have really leaned into people don't like to
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  Speaker 4: use the R word, but you know, you get walks
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  Speaker 4: like a duck and you gotta call.
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  Speaker 2: It a duck.
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  Speaker 4: So what I'm wondering, if you can help the fans,
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  Speaker 4: what what does a rebuild feel like for for the players,
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  Speaker 4: for the broadcasters, for you know, people that are day
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  Speaker 4: to day involved having to kind of, you know, put
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  Speaker 4: their best effort forward knowing the wins aren't aren't going
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  Speaker 4: to pile up.
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  Speaker 2: Well obviously, for the fans, I think it gives them hope.
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  Speaker 2: I mean the oil is a perfect example. Michaelias comes
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  Speaker 2: after the forty seven and one hundred and fifteen you know,
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  Speaker 2: one lost record in twenty eighteen, so he comes to
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  Speaker 2: twenty nineteen and he announces, Hey, we're going to do
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  Speaker 2: a rebuild, and how are we going to do that?
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  Speaker 2: We're we're not going to be as bad as forty
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  Speaker 2: seven and one hundred and fifteen. Well, we're going to
• 4:48
  Speaker 2: kind of do what they did down in Houston, where
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  Speaker 2: you know you're going to hope, hopefully you'll play poorly.
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  Speaker 2: You get the draft high. Allie Rushman, who just got
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  Speaker 2: you know, traded up to Boston, was the first draft
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  Speaker 2: choice two thousand nineteen. I had a good friend with
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  Speaker 2: one of the Oiel scouts. He begged them take Bobby,
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  Speaker 2: not that Allie's not going to be a good player,
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  Speaker 2: but Bobby went junior three years younger. A player is
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  Speaker 2: going to play one hundred and fifty five, two hundred
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  Speaker 2: and sixty games a year based on catcher, maybe catching
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  Speaker 2: one hundred, one hundred and twenty five and probably more signable.
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  Speaker 2: And of course we know how good Wit is. But
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  Speaker 2: they chose Adlie and you know when when Adley came
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  Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two, that was kind of at least
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  Speaker 2: and I think in the fans' minds and really the
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  Speaker 2: Oriols that this team was going to get better. And
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  Speaker 2: he really played well in twenty two, twenty three, all
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  Speaker 2: the way up to the All Star break in twenty four.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if he had injuries, but all of
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  Speaker 2: a sudden he struggled. Last year, he had won thirty
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  Speaker 2: three with runners in scoring position. The league average is
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  Speaker 2: about two fifty one, so again there was something going on.
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  Speaker 2: This year. He was having a pretty good year, and
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  Speaker 2: the word is I don't know. You know that he
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  Speaker 2: wasn't going to sign an extension. The writer called me
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  Speaker 2: and he said, do you know for a fact? I
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  Speaker 2: said no. I said, why don't you ask the GM
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  Speaker 2: Micha Eliason. He wouldn't imp because I think if he did,
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  Speaker 2: he would set up pressent. Because Dotter Henderson two years
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  Speaker 2: from now, when he's guy, has another year on his
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  Speaker 2: contract before he become a free agent. You're going to go, well,
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  Speaker 2: he's going to trade him. So what if you're an
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  Speaker 2: Oriol fan or and you know, again, they trade Adlie
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  Speaker 2: Ruschman and they're only it's a false god as far
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  Speaker 2: as I'm concerned, when you're not playing well. But they're
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  Speaker 2: only two and a half games out of the wild Cards,
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  Speaker 2: so they're still in the race, even though to do that,
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  Speaker 2: I think you had to play. And they're at eleven
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  Speaker 2: and what I think they're fifteen or sixteen and ten
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  Speaker 2: in their last twenty six games, so they're playing better.
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  Speaker 2: But again the Red Sox what twenty three and five
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  Speaker 2: except Piculos, and you know we helped. We made four
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  Speaker 2: eras first night in Boston. They should have ended the
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  Speaker 2: wind Street but we didn't. So yeah, I mean, Mark,
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  Speaker 2: you know as well as I you were there in
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  Speaker 2: twenty eighteen. It's it's kind of depressing in one sense.
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  Speaker 2: But if you're play and you get replaced, just to
• 7:02
  Speaker 2: think of the opportunity last night against the Angels, Kate
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  Speaker 2: Povitch pitched against one of my favorite young pitchers, you know,
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  Speaker 2: in Grayson Ron Reguez. Except obviously we know you have
• 7:12
  Speaker 2: to be able to stay healthy, so it gives all
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  Speaker 2: the young players opportunities, so they probably look at it
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  Speaker 2: a little more positively. But again, if you're broadcasting, you're
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  Speaker 2: still I mean, you're preparing for the game, you're hoping
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  Speaker 2: they win there? Just why are people want to TV
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  Speaker 2: or Orial TV? They went.
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  Speaker 1: Now Mark the Orioles went fifteen and forty in August
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  Speaker 1: and September of twenty eighteen. Do you remember what Camden yard?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Candon Yard is one of my favorite plays
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  Speaker 1: to watch baseball throughout the nineties. Places just rocking. This
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  Speaker 1: is great atmosphere, playoff atmosphere every night. What do you
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  Speaker 1: recall it being like those last two months of twenty eighteen?
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  Speaker 3: The on field play was at fault.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, the fans continue to support, maybe the stands
• 8:03
  Speaker 4: weren't quite as crowded as they would be for a
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  Speaker 4: team playing significantly better. But as a player, you do
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  Speaker 4: the best you can, and I took a lot of
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  Speaker 4: pride in giving my best effort despite the fact the
• 8:16
  Speaker 4: team wasn't doing well. It looks even worse if you
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  Speaker 4: just are pouting and quitting. It's bad enough already, don't
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  Speaker 4: make it worse. And for a lot of you know,
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  Speaker 4: in my situation, I was an older player, had signed
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  Speaker 4: a contract and wanted to honor that contract, and I
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  Speaker 4: felt like because of that, there was nothing else to
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  Speaker 4: do but give my best effort. If we happen to
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  Speaker 4: rack up, you know, another loss that night, you just
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  Speaker 4: kind of have to eat it. Unfortunately, what happens on
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  Speaker 4: teams that are really bad, losing gets too familiar and
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  Speaker 4: it doesn't sting. And when it doesn't sting, I think
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  Speaker 4: that's a big deal. Now, in Jim's case, I don't
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  Speaker 4: think you played on too many teams that were under
• 8:58
  Speaker 4: five hundred. Maybe it was astounding when I looked at
• 9:02
  Speaker 4: the Orioles records while you were a player there. Yeah, well,
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  Speaker 4: I mean I liked, well, I lucked out because I
• 9:09
  Speaker 4: was a couple of years before the draft, and you know,
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  Speaker 4: Houston offered me more money.
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  Speaker 2: I ended up siding with the Oriels at night. Ten
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  Speaker 2: teams called the next day. But I think I made
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  Speaker 2: the right decision.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 2: You know six World Series, we won three of them,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, even the ones we lost, other than the
• 9:25
  Speaker 2: Mets series, where I mean it's just bad experience because
• 9:29
  Speaker 2: you know, on fire breaks, they were obviously the amazing
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  Speaker 2: mess so they were a good team. But the two
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  Speaker 2: series and seventy one and seventy nine against the Pirates,
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  Speaker 2: they were great. You know, seven game World Series, you
• 9:40
  Speaker 2: lose two to one, you lose I think five to
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  Speaker 2: one in the seventy nine World Series on the final day,
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  Speaker 2: so you know, yeah, I was. I was really lucky.
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  Speaker 2: And then, you know, how do you win many games
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  Speaker 2: as I did? You play on good teams, which is
• 9:52
  Speaker 2: why I never left. I mean, I knew that all
• 9:54
  Speaker 2: I had to do is try to figure out how
• 9:56
  Speaker 2: to stay healthy, be able to go out there thirty
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  Speaker 2: eight thirty nine, forty t times a year, and I
• 10:01
  Speaker 2: was gonna win a lot of games because we did
• 10:03
  Speaker 2: a lot of things, you know, right, And to Mark's point,
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  Speaker 2: teams that don't they beat themselves, they lose the one
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  Speaker 2: run games. They're you know, they don't expect to win.
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  Speaker 2: So you do play for yourself, you know. The late
• 10:16
  Speaker 2: Mike flag and used to always say when we would
• 10:18
  Speaker 2: trade for a guy that came from a losing team,
• 10:20
  Speaker 2: you said, you just can see he does not play
• 10:22
  Speaker 2: for the name on the family the uniform. They're used
• 10:25
  Speaker 2: to playing for the team that's you know, their name
• 10:28
  Speaker 2: on the back of the uniform, which with themselves, and
• 10:30
  Speaker 2: that's kind of what losing teams it kind of it
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  Speaker 2: kind of fosters that in a sense, and that that's
• 10:36
  Speaker 2: not the way you play the game.
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  Speaker 1: And Welcome back to Halo Territory with Mark Troumo, Mike
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  Speaker 1: Hall of Famer I believe Mark haz The next question.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, where are the Orioles go? What are they doing?
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  Speaker 3: They trade badly?
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  Speaker 4: I understand if he wasn't interested in signing a contract extension,
• 12:08
  Speaker 4: then logically I think that that does make sense. They
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  Speaker 4: but they've already done one rebuild, very painful. It took
• 12:17
  Speaker 4: a while, but it did pay off, not in the
• 12:18
  Speaker 4: form of a world series, but they did have a
• 12:21
  Speaker 4: lot of success under Brandon Hyde. You know, some good seasons,
• 12:25
  Speaker 4: and they reshuffled. There's new instructors every year. You and
• 12:29
  Speaker 4: I have talked about some of this, but you know,
• 12:31
  Speaker 4: the Angels are doing it for the first time, and
• 12:34
  Speaker 4: I guess you want to get it right and try
• 12:35
  Speaker 4: and emulate teams that have sustained success. Brewers raised teams
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  Speaker 4: like that unless you're a big spender. But what do
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  Speaker 4: you see from the Oriols now? Just is this just
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  Speaker 4: a reshuffling restocking. What's going on.
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  Speaker 2: That's a good question. You know, when Michael Eyas came
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  Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen, he said, we're going to create an
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  Speaker 2: elite pipeline. Now again, when you're drafting number one, you
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  Speaker 2: hope that, you know. Again, I mean, they take Adlie
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  Speaker 2: over Bobby Wood Junior. They do get Gunner Henderson, who
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  Speaker 2: was I think the fortieth pick that year, so pretty
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  Speaker 2: talented player, even though this year he's been struggling, you know,
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  Speaker 2: And then they don't draft pitchers. That's why I think
• 13:21
  Speaker 2: the Adlie Ruschman trade, you know, in getting Taylor Word
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  Speaker 2: who you know, was with the Angels hit thirty six
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  Speaker 2: home runs career high. I mean normally years what twenty three,
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  Speaker 2: twenty six, somewhere in that range when he's healthy, but
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  Speaker 2: he only hit seven one at Camvin Yards. Now they
• 13:35
  Speaker 2: could change left field. Used to be three sixty four,
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  Speaker 2: now it went to three ninety eight. Now it's back
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  Speaker 2: in a little bit. I mean, it's you know, it's
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  Speaker 2: kind of weird, but I think they thought they had
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  Speaker 2: a team that could compete. But again, one of their
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  Speaker 2: best young players is Jordan Westburn, and when you take
• 13:55
  Speaker 2: him out of the lineup, you know, the Oils don't
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  Speaker 2: beat lefties. You know they're going to face Detmer's tonight
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  Speaker 2: and I'm going, okay, not only is he a good pitcher,
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  Speaker 2: he's left handed. What did Pete Rose say? If you're
• 14:06
  Speaker 2: breathing in your left handed you got a chance to
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  Speaker 2: play the big league. So you know, again we are
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  Speaker 2: in a rebuild of sense. But a lot of times
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  Speaker 2: when you know, like when they traded Mancini and Lopez
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  Speaker 2: and what twenty twenty twenty two, after only winning fifty
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  Speaker 2: some games a year before, Mike Alas said, well left off,
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: Well then you trade two of your better players. But
• 14:31
  Speaker 2: in twenty three they you know, they won a hundred
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  Speaker 2: and one games, and you know, after going from fifty
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  Speaker 2: seven to eighty three, then one hundred and one and
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  Speaker 2: ninety one. So again this is a team that you
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: think on paper, I mean they'd signed Pete a Lawance,
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: they traded for Shane Bobs, who has pitched a lot
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: better than his record because they don't score any runs
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: for him. You know, they've had some injuries. You know Helsley,
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: they got him as a closer. He's been popping on
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: the il. You know, Trevor Rodgers last year had That
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: is the most incredible seventeen games streak that I've ever seen,
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: and I've been in baseball over sixty years. I had
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: a one thirty one ear after which seventeen starts, you know,
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: you go on a run. I mean I went on
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: a run once where I you know, I had thirty
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  Speaker 2: three in the third scoreless sttings and you're thinking you're
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: not going to get you any runs. But to do that,
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: he gave up six runs. And his last startup in
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: New York is he you know, for eighteen starts one
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  Speaker 2: to eighty one, and he started out poorly. Now he's
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: pitching as well as anybody, but they haven't extended him,
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: so I don't I don't know what they're going to do.
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  Speaker 2: They have the highest payroll, I think in the history
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: of the Orioles and they're three games out of five hundred.
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  Speaker 2: So again, is this a rebuild? I don't think so.
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: But once again, you know the Alie Rushman trade. You know,
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: you don't think it's going to happen till it does.
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: One of the writers called me last night and they said, well,
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: do you know that he turned down an extension? And
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: I said no, I said why don't you ask the GM.
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: And he said, well, I did.
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: You wouldn't answer it because if you did, that means
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: when Gunnar Henderson two years from now, and he's a
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: Scott Boris, you know, who is one of the best
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: Asians in baseball, but automatically, if he doesn't sign an extension,
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: he's going to be traded in the middle of the season.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't think you want to verbally set that precedent.
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  Speaker 2: So it'll be very interesting what they do. But they
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: needed pitching. Apparently they got from the Red Sox to
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: really good prospects. But Mark knows as well as I do.
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: You know, cal Ripkensita always say there's suspects in their prospects,
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: and the prospects get the chance to get to the
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: big leagues probably a little bit sooner, whether you got
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: a big lot of money to sign or you know,
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: you throw ninety eight or whatever. But the minute you
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: get to the big leagues, you're a suspect again, until
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: you prove that you can play the game at a
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: high level. Yeah.
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: Hey, Ken Ken Rosenthal in the Foul Territory Network has
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: interesting things to say about this Rushman deal.
• 16:44
  Speaker 7: Let's take a listen The Rushman trade, to me, was
• 16:48
  Speaker 7: the defining trade of this deadline. It was fascinating ADLEI
• 16:51
  Speaker 7: Rushman going to the Boston Red Sox for a number
• 16:54
  Speaker 7: of prospects, and it kind of, as I wrote, demonstrated
• 16:59
  Speaker 7: two teams at opposite extremes. The Orioles, a team that
• 17:03
  Speaker 7: was supposedly going to be a competitive, contending type club
• 17:07
  Speaker 7: by now. They talked about lift off, their president of
• 17:10
  Speaker 7: base Operations, Michaelllias did in twenty twenty two. They didn't
• 17:15
  Speaker 7: lift off.
• 17:16
  Speaker 8: They haven't crashed, but they've kind of gone nowhere, and
• 17:19
  Speaker 8: now they've traded the guy they picked number one over
• 17:23
  Speaker 8: Bobby Wick Junior in twenty nineteen, the guy that was
• 17:27
  Speaker 8: really the signature piece of their rebuild, the guy who
• 17:30
  Speaker 8: they talked about keeping forever and yet never signed to
• 17:35
  Speaker 8: a long term extension.
• 17:36
  Speaker 7: That guy is, of course, Rushman.
• 17:39
  Speaker 8: And the reason that this trade for the Orioles was
• 17:43
  Speaker 8: so deflating to so many of their fans is that
• 17:47
  Speaker 8: it kind of acknowledges that the whole thing hasn't gone
• 17:51
  Speaker 8: According to Plant, fans are asked all the time.
• 17:55
  Speaker 7: Trust the process, stay with us.
• 17:57
  Speaker 8: Their Oriols fans did. Thro's some really hard years. They tanked,
• 18:01
  Speaker 8: they got some big picks, and now they are not
• 18:05
  Speaker 8: starting over, but certainly retooling in a way that is
• 18:09
  Speaker 8: going to require more patience. And they've got pieces in
• 18:12
  Speaker 8: place going forward they'll be okay. They've got Alonso and
• 18:16
  Speaker 8: they've got Basaios long signed, long term. They've got pieces
• 18:20
  Speaker 8: in their rotation Kyle Bradish. Of course, Shane Bo's long term.
• 18:24
  Speaker 8: They can extend a qualifying offer to Trevor Rodgers. But
• 18:29
  Speaker 8: fans are right to ask, hey, man, what's going on here?
• 18:34
  Speaker 8: Why is.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: That?
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: Jim as Mark said, the Angels are finally committed to
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: a rebuild. It's really the first time since I can
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: ever remember. But are the Orioles with What's going on now?
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: Something of a cautionary tale for the Angels, especially they're
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: fans who might be thinking this is a smooth, linear process.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: Well, it worked for the Oriols. It's just they couldn't
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: sustain it. And you know, so they went one hundred
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: and one and then they win ninety one. They go
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: to the playoffs two years ago, they get swept by
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: the Rangers, who win the World Series. In twenty twenty three.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: They had a good club, but they had an inexperienced club,
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: and you know, Brady's got beat in game one, really
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: good game. I think he gave up three runs and
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: Oils didn't score. And then Grayson Rodriguez Dean Kramer, who
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: was Jewish right after what happened in two thousand and seven,
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: and he's going to go start a playoff game and
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: a lot of things on his mind, man, other than baseball,
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: what happened in Israel or in Gaza. So and then
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: the next year they play Kansas City, and you know,
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: they lose, what three to two, and then they lose
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: two to one. So they're a good team, but they're
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: not a great team. And then you know, all of
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: a sudden, you know, next year they start out fifteen
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: and twenty eight, and I'm on the elevator in Anaheim
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: and the club's not playing well. You know, it's game
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: three of the Oriols playing in Anaheim, and Mike Elias,
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: the GM says, you ever see a team go from
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: all the way up here to the autom And I said,
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: not one with good pitching. And you know, you went
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: back to your point. I never played on a team
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: that didn't have good pitching. So you're in games. Your
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: players think you're in games. I don't know, Mark. I mean,
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to speak for you, but because you
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: were a terrific hitter, but if you don't think you
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: have to get seven or eight runs a game, you
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: can get three or four, or I can get a
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: big hit, or I'm going to be involved versus not
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: going to be a slug fester every night. I think
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: you got to think you have a better chance of
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: winning games. And all the good clubs I played on
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: had excellent pitching.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: That's a perfect segue.
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: I was going to ask you, I personally like short
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: starts four and a third hundred pitches.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: No, I don't. And it's been the.
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: Downfall of many you know, the Angels have struggled in
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: a number of areas, but one short start not only
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: taxes that night bullpen, but the games to come, and
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: it's been really tough.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: My question that was really.
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: Going to be what are they getting right and maybe
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: the opposite of right with the modern pitch. And we
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: just watched the miz you know he used throwing a
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: million really impressive arm. There's still a guy's doing well.
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: Grayson did give them lank last night. He went seven innings.
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: But the majority of the time, I'm saying, these guys
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: look awfully happy after their five innings, and for you
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: that would have been a I mean, it's just done unfathomable.
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: I'm assuming five innings that's a failure.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: Well, we had a guy that just got traded, a
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: starting pitcher, and about three years ago, he went to Cincinnati,
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: took place to pitch, but just four innings, it was
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: up ten and has six runs. So I didn't I
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: mean I watched the game. But and then I'm going
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: down to Houston to do the games, and I was
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: talking Tom in the locker room and I said, you
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: know what went on in Cincinnati. I mean, I kind
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: of watched the game. He said, well, you know, I
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: actually kind of like my metrics and my pitch shapes.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: And I looked at him. Can I give you a
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: little girl Weaver? He goes or a Weaver. I said, yeah,
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame manager that's got a statue at
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: you know in campaign, I said, if you told Weaver
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: to your point mark when you blew out the bullpen
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: by only going four innings, gave up ten hits and
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: six runs, and you told him that you liked your
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: pitch shake, Patricks, he would have said, so did the
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: kid is And if you keep that up, you'll be
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: down at Triple A Rochester. So the game is different.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: You know, a couple of years ago, they don't like
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: me to talk to the pitchers or even being around
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: him because the media is kind of the necessary evil
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: in Baltimore with the pr people. But I suck into
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: the locker room before opening day and Tyler Wells, you
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: just got traded down to Tampa Bay. Actually pretty good.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: Was pitching really well for the Oils. So that's another trade.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, look at Brian Baker's number they traded him
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: last year. I think he's got close to thirty saves.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: So just Tampa obviously, you know they know what they're
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: going to do with their pitching. But so tider Wells said,
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: you throw a lot of pitches, and I said, well,
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: the year I was twenty, everybody got hurt in spring training.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: I thought I was going to Triple A and I
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: you know, my first start was at Fenway Park. I
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: throw one hundred and seventy seven pitches, you know, strike out,
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: a seven, walk, seven, hit a home run, off day
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: more head pitch before and then of course they sent
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: him out the next day because he hung our curve ball,
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: almost shit it to the turnpike. And they asked our
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: pitching coach, Harry the Kafferkine, you know Greally, great left
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: handed pitcher for the Cardinals. Who's our pitching coach. It's
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: a lot of pitches for a twenty year old. He said, yeah,
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: we want to get that pitch count down into the
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: one forties. So tdder Wells is starting to last. But
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: that's the way it was. I mean, you you did
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: what you could do. And I mean I know, because
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: we pissed every fore to day that you can throw
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty five thirty forty pitches in your
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: sleep if you have a good wind up, if you
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: know how to pitch. And I guess my point about
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: the oil pitcher who just got traded to the Midwest
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: is that it's not it's about can you what's the
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: hitter doing when you come through the minor leagues? And
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: I think in a ball, I mean I walked one
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: hundred and thirty one hundred and twenty nine innings, went
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: to instructional league, so I pitched a hundred, probably walked
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: to one hundred ninety guys the next tyrom in the
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: big leagues. But I got to pitch. I got to
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: learn how to get hitters out. I didn't have somebody
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: on the iPad that I'm talking on right now saying, well,
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: you know your spin rate is this, and you know
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: you need to ball and you need to do all that.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: The hitters told me what I needed to throw. I
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: used to have and I don't know if you ever
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: did this, mark when when you're a young player, even
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: when you're an old player, I used to have guys
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: that wanted to see live pitching come down. And when
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: I'm throwing my side or before a game, I wanted
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: a hitter standing up there. I wanted to simulate what
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: the game was going to be like when the game started.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: And meanwhile, I mean, if if I'm like, we have
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: a a Rule five guy, you know, or a number
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: one draft choice, five million dollar player, Colden Kwzer doesn't
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: hit lefties, doesn't it strikes out too much? It was
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: a back to ball football guy in college. He doesn't
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: hit left handers. Every time Trevor Rodgers would throw were
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: now Kate Povid, who pitched against Angels last night, I'd
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: be down there track and pitches. I know they have
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: all the machines, but there's nothing like seeing the ball
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: out of your hand. One of the greatest articles ever
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: was Sporting News with Tony Gwynn and Stam Musual talking
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: about what they saw when the pitcher delivers the ball.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: Now that's thirty six and twenty hits and eight batting titles, saying,
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: we noticed the speed of the ball out of the hand. Now,
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you agree with that, but tracking pitches,
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: you know, it's pretty important when you're trying to be a.
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: Hitter, and I do agree, but it cuts into your
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: arrest and recovery time. So hitting on field bad in
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: practice is it's just not what it used to be.
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: Two three guys, I said, where is everybody clarity? When
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: they came into town last year the Cubs, I said,
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: this is it justin Turner and one other? But but no,
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: I mean all aside the game. The game has changed. Guys,
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: don't play your practice outside as much. They need two
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: and a half hours of quiet time. What is when
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: you get to the playoffs and you actually have to
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: writers and you and then.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: Then I was told this year, well we I said,
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: you don't hit outside anymore now, Pete Alnso said, listen,
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: I'm going to hit outside because I want to know
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: what the background's like, because you know, I'm I just
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: got one hundred and fifty five million dollars. I don't
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: have the mess. Ever, let him go. He's the real dude,
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: you know. Yeah. I mean he's not hitting as well
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: with runners and score ambition, and he's a strikeout guy.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: But he plays the game every day as hard as
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: he can possibly play. And he's my TYPEO player, so
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: so he'll do that. But I was told, he said, well,
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: we score more runs when we when we don't hit outside.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: And I go, so are we going to factor in
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: who was pitching that day? You know? You know, or
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: you know we don't beat left handed starters? Well, what's
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: the team he or ray for our guys the days
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: you don't beat left handed starters. I don't give you
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: the whole picture. So again, I don't know. I played
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: with some of the greatest players, Brooks Robinson, Frank Robinson,
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: you know, cal Ripton and Eddie Murray, you know, all
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: Hall of famers. He took that practiced in wolves, you know,
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: and that's what and you know and I tell you now,
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: Baltimore used to before global warming, Baltimore used to be hotter.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Well, I'll probably know this. Jim Mark is forty years old.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: I believe he's as old school as they come. That's
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: what we love about him. Hey, you mentioned Grayson Rodriguez
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: being one of your favorite young pitchers. We have certainly
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: not seen the best of him in Anaheim this year,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: but it looked like he had had a maybe what
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: we hope as a breakthrough game on on Monday Tuesday night.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: What did you think of Grayson? How does he look
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: to you? Is he starting to look like the Grayson
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: Rodriguez of old?
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you know, he was twenty and eight for
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: the Ards. I mean, but he got a lot of runs,
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: going over six runs a game, and what he needed
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: to do when he was healthy, which he looked like
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: he was healthy last night. I mean, last night's is
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: a hanging slider to a lot on a lead off
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: walk that's got him in trouble. And that's so if
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: you're going to walk the lead off guy, you better
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: strike some people out or whatever. And he did make
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: a good Pete you know, Hagen slider, the Pete a
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: lonzo a two runs single and there's it's two nothing,
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: you know, and then he pitches seven innings only doesn't
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: go to any more runs. He's healthy, I mean, he's smart,
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: he's a hard worker, but he's got to figure out. Okay,
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: I need to be more consistent. So when I have
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: a bad game, it's my ear is not six or
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: seven mons a game. So because once again, like my
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: point is, if Mark's playing, you know, right field for me,
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: I'm going to make him think as the starting pitcher,
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: we have a chance to win that And how do
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: you do that? Stay away from beginnings. And when Grayson
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: did pitch well for the Orioles when he was healthy,
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: the beginnings, you know, got in the way. So again,
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: talent guy, hopefully all pitch well because you know he's
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: a he's a good guy. I mean, he's really a
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: good guy. And it's the last number one draft choice
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: of the Ools or released high draft choice Wheels have
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: ever actually had, and that was Dan Duquette and the
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: general manager.
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: How much better do you think you would have done
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: had you had to catch her with his glove flopping
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: all over the place back there, well than you a
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: target moving tar Well Carlos. He actually put the glove
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: up yesterday.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: I mean, here is I know, I know, and he
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: held it.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: Now he held it and I tweeted and Ben Ben
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: mcdonaldause we've been talking about this. He does the games
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: that I don't do, most of them. And I said,
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: you throw it to the glove. I mean, how do
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: you have the plate seventeen inches wide? You can make
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: it about another two point eight on both sides, so
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: what that's almost twenty three inch or twenty two inches somewhere.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: Because all you have to do, and we've seen it
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: with the Avs, have the edge of the ball on there.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: So if I want to throw the ball out of
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: the middle of the plate, I mean, how do I
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: want to pitch Mark Trumbo? Not down the middle unless
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: I want to see how far the ball went, you know,
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: so the point is down in the way. Well, okay, okay,
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: you know, like I said, twenty sixteen to lead the
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: American League and home runs with forty seven. There's three
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: hundred ninety hitters now in the big leagues. If you
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: you know, thirteen position players maybe not hitters, but guys
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: that go to the bat. And then you have you know,
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: you know, three hundred, three hundred ninety pitchers. How many
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: of those three hundred ninety hitters have they said, where
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: is the optimum ball to hit hard? How many would
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: say loan away?
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: Well you just try and pull it over the left
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: field fence. Well there, yeah, they're away.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: There are They are very few tony gwinns left in
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: this game, Jim.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: Well no, but you know I went to ten with
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Bobby Gretchen and Rock Gerou and we were talking about
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: that and Bobby said, now he played behind me. And
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: you know, Bobby should be in the Hall of Fame.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: His numbers are higher than Ran. There's wars over seventy
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: seventy one, I think, or something like that. One of
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: the more one of my favorite teammates because of his intensity.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: And he said, well, you used to piss, you know,
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: kind of down away and then ride the ball.
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: We've got a Gritch fan.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: I thought, how in tess he was, you know, after
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: the flair he was? And I so, you know, we're
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: having dinner and I said, yeah, down the way and
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: I said, Brodnie, I said, how'd you head down away?
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: He goes, well, you know this is a guy that
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: one said Betty felt. I actually hit that pitch pretty well.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: But you know what's going to happen the lone away
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: fastball to right ear lefty. If you do it early
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: in the game and you find out that the hitter
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: will cover the outside corner, it's an information pitch. It
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: makes you better, you know, if the guy won't do it,
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: why would I want? I mean right now, I mean,
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: I throw a guy fastball on the way, you know,
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: outside corner of the play, and if you took him,
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: I throw another one. I mean, it's not an audition
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: in Broadway. I'm gonna have to show him that I
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: can sing, dance the odel and all that stuff. I
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: want to see what he does, and I want to
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: see as quickly and early in the game because I'm
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: going to pitch deep into the game. So if he
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: takes it, throw them another one. If he takes it,
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: I'd probably throw them another one because if he can
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: hit it and he covers the outside corner, probably going
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: to be susceptible up and in maybe not hit the
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: change up very well or the you know, the breaking ball.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: So why wouldn't I want to find that out? See now,
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: everybody tells you you know, Wow, this guy can't hit
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: the ball well. When you pitch, it's a very visual thing.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, Mark, I would assume some guys you see
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: the ball better than other guys, regardless of what the
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: velocity is. Pitching, where's the bad hit? You got to
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: watch the bad head. You have to go out and
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: watch them take batting practice. You have to sit on
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: the days you're not pitching and talk about the game
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: and who has good bad speed, and who has a
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: slider speed back. All these things we learned. We weren't
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: totally now. You know, they say, okay, you need to
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: do this and all that. Throw a fastball right by.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: They go, oh, go not a good breaking ball.
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: Hitter.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: Speed the bat up with a breaking ball, and you
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: wonder why you give up more runs than you want to.
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you can learn a lot by watching the game.
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: That's why you know the iPads and stuff. So she
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: did a really good job for us young players. Well
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: he just frankly booted us out of the video room.
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: Maybe just me, but I think Borgeous was there too.
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: But his point was, what are you going to learn?
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: You just have to a break and ball in the dirt.
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: What you know what more do you need to know
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: if you want, if you want to look look at
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: you know, a strike that you fouled off, But really
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: you don't even know which way is up. So get
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: out of there, Bobby Bray. You can go in there
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: and you're going to stay on the top step and
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: you're going to watch the game. But it was invaluable advice,
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: a little harsh of the time, but or direct, I
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: should say, but I appreciate that. That's the type of
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: thing that I'm not gonna get off on a tangent.
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: But the Angels, you know, I think that they're a
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: candidate for, you know, a manager with a little firmer hand.
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: I've said it previously. And you've got young players sometimes
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: they need guidance and direct guide guidance. So the fact
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: that they don't let you talk to pictures as much,
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: or maybe it's not as encouraged, is tough to hear that.
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: You know right there, that clip we can just put
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: it on repeat and send it to him. Well, well, yeah,
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: I mean I had a friend today. You know, my
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: wife works out at Orange Theory and Nord from Bob
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: used to be a vice presidentman. He says, have you
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: ever talked to the pictures. I got to Baltimore in
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: what nineteen sixty five, and here we are in twenty
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: twenty six and they have never asked me to talk
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: to the pictures.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: Now. Doesn't mean I don't dumb pictures. You know. We
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: had a general manager who went to the Cardinals. First
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: thing he did the next bring he said, hey, will
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: you come up and talked to our you know, minor
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: league pictures. And I said, you've got Bob Gibson. He said, no,
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: we want to hear another. And I'm out there and
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: I you know, And I said, so, you know, who
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: are the two best pictures in the National League the
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: last ten years?
• 34:44
  Speaker 8: Oh?
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: You know, Schilling and Johnson. I said, no, no, the last
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: ten years, Maddox and Glavin. I said, what did they
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: throw about ninety ninety one? I said, how many guys
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: throw ninety one? Everybody's hand went out. I said, but
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: could you throw a change up in any count? Can
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: you pitch the both sides of the plate? Can you
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: field your position? Can you throw the low and away
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: fastball when you need to? MM? So that's that's kind
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: of you know that. I don't think the game has changed.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: It doesn't mean that guys don't hit low and away fast,
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: but you kind of know where they are. And you know,
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: if you have a baseball field, it's just big. And
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, you could hit the ball anywhere out of
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: the ballpark. But if you have a guy that's you know,
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: that's a you can take the field. And if I
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: have left hand, hit her up and I know I'm
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: gonna throw the ball a long away, I can take
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: that field and make it that much smaller. I can
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: confise I can now I can have the same amounted
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: a vendors in a smaller field. Now doesn't that make sense?
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: But you know now, I mean I last night, you're
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: you're catcher. You just got him. He hits a little
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: roller in the right field. More baller, Yeah what whatever?
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: But I mean, no, you're right, yeah.
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: I mean the hardest thing as a hitter has got
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: granky Dan Harren, all these guys stealing strike one down
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: in a way, very frustrating. You're behind in the count
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: now already. And I planned to hit it, and I was,
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: you know, you go up there with it. I'm going
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: to be aggressive. And it's just not a pitch you
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: can do anything with. So the brain says nope, and
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: then oh one, again and again, you know, against these
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: good guys. So I appreciate that. I think Mike's gott
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: got a final question for you.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I have to ask you this, Jim, speaking of
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: great pictures, you and Tom Sever were two of the
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: greatest of your generation and my generation. I grew up
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: in Connecticut in the sixties and seventies seventies. Tom Sever
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: was my favorite player. But you guys did not face
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: each other in the sixty nine World Series. You did
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: start opposite of each other in the nineteen seventy All
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: Star Games Cincinnati, But as far as I can tell
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: a research of mine this morning, you square it off
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: only once in the regular season, on April twenty third,
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: nineteen eighty four, when you were in your last season
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: with the Orioles and Sever was at the end of
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: his career with the Chicago White Sox. What if anything,
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: do you remember from that game in Comisky Park, And
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: did you guys develop a relationship through all those All
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: Star Games or whether it's a mutual admiration or respect
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: over the years.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: Welliver, you know what, he you know, struck out eight
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: thousand people and won three hundred eleven games. My first
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: All Star game. I you know, Willie Mays let Off
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: Rose hit second bench hit. I think Dick Allen has
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: just got in the Hall of Fame. He hit seventh
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: or something like that. Was it's only headache have when
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: I looked at that lineup. But I pitched against Tom
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: and David Nallely, who won twenty games courts four times.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: He would eventually be pitching when when they would lose
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: an extra innings Pete Rose playing third base, and I
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: dropped a bunt down and he threw me out. And
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: I come back and David Nally says, you know you
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: you get a little bit of power. Why did you
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: try to hit a home run off with Tom Seaver?
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: And I said, what are you crazy? What do you
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: have to do is let's see April. I don't remember
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: the date, but in nineteen seventy he struck out nineteen.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: Not only did he strike out in nineteen, he struck
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: out the last ten batters of the game. So mark point,
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: you think you threw more than ninety five pitches that day?
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, he could, you know, he was terrific And
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: to your point, to your point of course, we used
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: you know, we were both on the Baseball Assistant Team Board,
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: so I got to see him. They have a big
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: Din used to have a big dinner up in January.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: You know, we're both in the Hall of Fame. I
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: have a great picture of us when of the Little
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: League World Series, you know, on Friday night after we
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: both retired, and the only cover I ever made of
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: Sports Illustrated. I'm on one side and Thomas on the other,
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: which is you know, awesome. Yeah, I mean I get people.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: Fact people sustend it to me, and I'm going since
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: Tom passed away, it's gonna be a tough autograph of
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: I only I autogra I probably should come up with
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: Thoms autograph. It make it less valuable or whatever. But
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: you know, one of the great pitchers of all time
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: and and terrific guy, and you know tragically you know,
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: Alzheimer's or whatever. And I loved his wine. Yeah, you know,
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: he had a great vineyard up in Napa Valley and
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: I think GTS named after his dad. So you know again,
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, if you're a Mets fan, I wish you
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: know it's your point. I wish I had actually pitched
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: against him in the sixty nine Well, he gave up
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: a couple of runs. I pitched against Gary Gentry in
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: Game three and we got shut out. So but he
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: was he was tom terrific. I mean, that's kind of
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: some what a what a great nickname?
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: If memory serves at A young right hander named Nolan
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: Ryan finished that Gentry game.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: It could have. All I know is it was one
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: of our best breaking ball hitters. And Nolan and people
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: forget that, you know, it's relief pitcher for the Mets.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: And he threw him a curveball and Paul's rear end
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: was in our dugout hundred and one. You know, yeah,
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: I mean it's not that jacked up, you know, Radar,
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: there we go. Christ was the last out. He threw
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: him a two two change up for the final out
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: of the no hitter in Anaheim. And he'd put at
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: games and I'm going, how do you see the ball?
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know he's from you know, legitimate one
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: hundred hundred and one, and yeah, I mean he was knowing,
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: but he was a little bit wild. He walked me
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: on a three two curveball throwing. I'm not sure that
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: was a very proud, quite all right run against him.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: Pardon me, do you ever buy it against or are
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: you out of you know that? Yeah, guys that try
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: to bunt, he would he would throw the ball back in.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: You know, he'd walk about halfway, maybe even a little
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: bit closer to home plate, get the ball and rub
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: it up like this and just go try that again.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: You know. No, no, no, no, no, no, I just
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: I just figured if you want to walk me Korea two,
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: I'll go down there. At least you didn't hit me,
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: you know. That was what the DH was, what came
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: in in seventy seventy three. I don't think I was
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: ever hit by a pitch, you know, from sixty five
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: to seventy two. Wow. Yeah, so I was fortunate. I
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: didn't hit that many goods either, only hit thirty eight guys,
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: four thousands.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: All right, hey, we are going to end the show
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: with that Jim Palmer Hall of Famer, Baltimoreal's TV Analysts.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: We really appreciate your time and input. Mark Tremble, thanks
• 41:35
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• 41:38
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• 41:41
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