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Navigating the AI Landscape: Leadership Strategies for Success with Hunter Jensen · Unstoppable Success Podcast

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  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to the Unstoppable Leadership Life, influential leaders, and their game-changing insight.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, hello, everybody, and welcome to another amazing episode of the Unstoppable Leadership Spotlight podcast.
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  SPEAKER_01: I am your host, Jacqueline Strominger.
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  SPEAKER_01: And on this podcast, we hear from amazing leaders and their game-changing insights and how they can be better leaders for today and tomorrow.
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  SPEAKER_01: So today I want to welcome Hunter Jensen, and he is an amazing individual.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I'm just going to pull up his amazing bio.
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  SPEAKER_01: He is the founder and CEO of Barefoot Solutions, where he has been pioneering digital innovation for over 20 years.
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  SPEAKER_01: And since establishing the company in 1998, he must have been two, as a freelance web developer.
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  SPEAKER_01: He has transformed into a trusted partner for renowned brands such as Microsoft, Salesforce, and Samsung.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it's quite unique.
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  SPEAKER_01: He blends a personalized touch of a boutique agency with the capabilities of a large consultancy delivering ROI-driven software solutions.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, Hunter, welcome to the Unstoppable Leadership Spotlight Podcast.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thanks for having me, Jacqueline.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it's so glad to have you here.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so we were talking a little bit before the podcast, and you you started this company, you know, like I said, I think you must have been two when you started it, but in 1998.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you have 12 full-time employees and 30 to 40 contractors.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's a huge, I think, um, interesting meld of what's happening a lot in companies right now.
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  SPEAKER_01: So what I'd love to hear from you as a the CEO, how has your journey, you know, the been with coming up with that 12 and the you know full-time and contractors?
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  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um so you know, when I started this company, I it was it was just me.
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  SPEAKER_00: I bootstrapped it.
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  SPEAKER_00: I was a you know, freelance web developer when I was in college and um just started doing that full-time when I when I uh graduated from college and moved out here to San Diego.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh, and we grew organically for many, many years.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um I I when I realized that you can only you know make so much money when you're building your own hours, uh, I decided to really get serious about starting the company and and hiring folks uh to do the jobs that I was bad at or that I didn't like doing.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um and in that way uh we really grew organically over time.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, we started off as a web development shop, uh, and then we've reinvented ourselves probably four or five times since then uh to stay relevant.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, for for example, we got into mobile apps really, really early on.
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  SPEAKER_00: We were one of the first hundred apps in the app store.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, so like very early days.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think that's wait.
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  SPEAKER_01: I just I have to stop for a second because I'm like, oh my God, that is like I just remember like in 2000, how everyone was like, we gotta right.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, yeah, it's funny because I I'm doing kind of the same thing that I did for mobile right now.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, uh when when it really started to catch on, yeah, everybody was like, okay, so we need a mobile strategy.
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  SPEAKER_00: Does anybody know what that means?
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it was a brand new concept.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, people didn't really know how to approach it.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so I did a lot of speaking and kind of educating folks on different strategies and what makes sense for their business and all the rest of it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh, exact same things happening in AI AI right now, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: We need an AI strategy.
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  SPEAKER_00: What is our AI strategy?
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  SPEAKER_00: Does anybody know what that means?
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh, and so we do a lot of consulting work for companies uh in that space right now.
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  SPEAKER_00: But to get back to the journey, so you know, we were a web shop and then we were doing mobile apps, and then we got really into the internet of things and building software for medical devices and smart connected devices.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh, then we got into uh crypto and blockchain for a little bit when that was hot.
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  SPEAKER_00: And and then about seven or eight years ago, we did our first uh machine learning project, which I would say is like our entry into AI, because this has been around a lot longer than generative AI has.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the way that I had been running uh the company was hiring uh folks in San Diego to uh manage client relationships, to manage projects, to do graphic design, user interface, user experience design, and that kind of thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then contract out uh the actual development of a lot of these projects.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so I did that for many years.
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  SPEAKER_00: I did it all across the globe.
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  SPEAKER_00: I've done Southeast Asia, I've done South America.
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  SPEAKER_00: I found my sweet spot in Eastern Europe.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, and so I was working with several contract teams in Eastern Europe.
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  SPEAKER_00: I like their education model, they have great IT infrastructure.
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  SPEAKER_00: The pricing is it's not the cheapest in the world, but it's a lot less than than in America for engineers.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um and so I was working with these contract teams and I came in touch with uh one in particular that offered to uh buy controlling interest of my company.
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  SPEAKER_00: So in 2019, I sold uh a controlling interest in barefoot to a large global software consultancy that's got offices uh in eight or nine cities at this point, um, headquartered in Warsaw in Poland.
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  SPEAKER_00: So now I shifted away from contract teams all to my parent organization for the engineering side of things.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so I have my team that used to be based in San Diego now has kind of distributed and uh is all over the country.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh, and then we ramp up and down on developers as needed, as as projects and clients come come and go and projects get completed.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh, so that's why I can't give you a great answer in terms of how many people are working on barefoot projects today, because it changes uh very, very regularly.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that's been our structure.
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  SPEAKER_00: It works very well, it allows us to price uh competitively versus all you know Americans, it gets very, very expensive.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so we were able to pass that on to our customers.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that's this that's kind of why we're set up the way that we are, and what it's a differentiator for us in that you get the like white glove kind of high touch boutique y agency feel.
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  SPEAKER_00: But if you need like 15 developers, I can have them started you know in a week or two, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: And most age most boutique agencies can't do something like that, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: They're always managing a bench and maybe have a few people ready, ready to work on a new project.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that's a it's a big differentiator for us.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's huge.
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  SPEAKER_01: So from a leadership standpoint, how do you you know, how do you manage the personalities and you know, of all of that?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, well, it's it's really interesting, and I I I hate to generalize, but I've been doing it long enough that I can generalize a little bit in that we've got two or three types of personalities.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: I have my creatives who are doing UIUX design and branding and copywriting and all things like that, and they have a certain personality, typically, not all of them, but uh, and then I have engineers, and they have a very different personality.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh, and then I have my project managers who are extroverted and relationship people, and you know, they're the ones that engage directly with our with our clients, and um, you know, often I am or kind of top leadership is serving as a conduit between those types of personalities because they don't always speak the same language, and but but I need my UI UX designer to be able to communicate to my engineers what needs to be built, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: So there has to be that level of communication between these different personality types.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you know, it's it's actually really fun because they tend to approach problems differently.
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  SPEAKER_00: And when you get, you know, a diversity of opinions and voices, it lifts everything up, right?
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_00: Like the the friction is is good, it's a positive.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_00: If you know, if if they're not agreeing on something, the outcome is gonna end up being better than if just one person made the decision and then we ran with it, right?
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_00: It it brings it elevates all of it.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so I I I actually really love that we have diverse personalities in the organization, and and there's typically not much conflict between them, but sometimes the communication styles need to be I need to remind them that they're talking to engineers and the engineers think in a certain way.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh, and that's easy for me as a you know, retired engineer, we'll call it.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_01: I still do some engine, you know, some architecture and stuff, but so when you're thinking about the team, I mean, obviously that communication and and and um obviously you know, with the different personalities.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_01: Do you as you're looking at people, how how important is it for um whether they're contract or um full-time employees to have a certain set of values?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it it it is different.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_00: It is different.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, at the end of the day, with my contract team with at my parent company, I am not their boss, I am not their CEO.
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  SPEAKER_00: They work for my parent company, and that's where they get their paycheck.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so I have to um be very aware of that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh, as I tend to act like a CEO, you know, regardless.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, but I have to be very conscious of letting them do their thing to a certain extent.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, as an example, like we'll we'll do an all hands with just the the just the American folks uh once a month uh that the contract team doesn't come to.
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  SPEAKER_00: We also do other meetings where the entire group comes.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, but you know, the contract team is is a little it's harder to manage because they're coming in and out.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's not always the same people, it's often new people.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so getting them to kind of understand how we operate and how client relationships work for us and all the rest of it is kind of a constant education as people are coming in and out of our projects.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's that that's actually kind of interesting.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, so so you know, one of the things that that you know you're working on uh and you know, you said, you know, chat bots and and obviously custom software development.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, but I want to kind of talk a little bit about uh the chat bot and people and what you're seeing in the in out there as you're talking to businesses.
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  SPEAKER_01: How how is AI, in your opinion, affecting leadership at companies?
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  SPEAKER_00: That's a really interesting question.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I'm actually I'm I'm as I talk to these businesses, I'm actually seeing a trend right now, a very clear trend.
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  SPEAKER_00: There are there is a segment of businesses, a large segment of businesses, that can't really use uh chat GPT.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the reason that they can't is they are dealing in proprietary confident confidential information all day.
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  SPEAKER_00: And they need the large language models, they need the AI to know that information to really be effective for them, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: And so what we've been seeing a lot of at these types of organizations is the desire to deploy, uh, you know, I'll call them assistants because chatbots doesn't do it justice, um, but deploying these like private internal on-premise, you know, AI assistants and agents to help do their job more effectively.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so this has all sorts of interesting implications, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: For lawyers is a great example.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, they want to be able to do this to help them draft contracts or applications for patents or what have you.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, but maybe it's as simple as you know, an HR assistant, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: When Sally wants to know whether or not Invisalign is covered by her dental pro you know benefits, right now she has to email HR and HR has to go look up her records and figure all that out.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it takes a lot of time, and there's no reason that we need humans to do that kind of stuff anymore with the new technology that's come out only in the last three years.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, and so what we're seeing is rather than like trying to go after particular use cases, we're seeing leadership deploy platforms, their AI platform that touches all different parts of their business.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because, you know, employees should their employers, CEOs should be worried that their employees are leaking confidential information to these large language models because they're they're doing it.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so you need to give them the tools so that they can, you know, level up and be more productive and more efficient using these amazing technology, but you need to give them in a way that is safe for your business, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Boundaries exactly, and in kind of a walled garden, if you will, bubble them out, and so that's where I see leadership really um driving, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Whereas you know, someone uh that's an employee might think, I really need a tool that can help me do X.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_00: And leadership is thinking we need to empower all of our employees to use this technology, right?
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_00: Because leadership is really just two things, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: It's strategic direction and then empowerment, and then just get out of the way, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Make sure we're all rowing in the same direction, we have a clear vision of where we're headed.
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  SPEAKER_00: You have all the tools and people and resources and knowledge that you need to do your portion of that, and then call me if you need me, if you need anything, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: And otherwise, I trust you to get the job done.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_00: And so I think that's kind of how those two things tie together is we need some new tools to give to our team so that they can use this incredible technology.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because right now, there's a whole lot of people that are getting a little bit left behind because of the confidential nature of what they're doing.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, you're a wealth advisor, you're an accounting firm, or you're a law firm, you know, you name it.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're seeing companies spend and deploy these types of solutions like now, right?
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_00: Like this year.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I find it truly fascinating.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, and and something that you just said, and so listeners, I really want you to hone in on this because I think it is so truly important.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_01: You know, Hunter just said, you know, leadership is kind of two key things.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's it's it's your strategy, where you're going, and empowerment.
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  SPEAKER_01: And part of that empowerment is trust.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so, and and so like zone in on that because it is so important for you, you know, as leaders, as and for all of us as leaders to know that strategy, but also to empower, like we are here to empower our people and to trust our people and to work with them to get to know them.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then, you know, I think what's great about having AI in that realm of it is that there are ways that you can even use that to help your to help your people become more empowered as well.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_01: It's really, I think it's fascinating.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, a lot, you know, I mentioned at the beginning, right, that we've reinvented ourselves four or five times over the course of the last 20 plus years.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, that's the strategy part, that's the CEO strategic vision.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is what we're doing now.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh, and it's not always easy or obvious.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, a lot of I love my job because a lot of what I get to do is uh tink with new tech because I'm trying to figure out where the puck is going, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: And so I'm always evaluating new technologies.
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  SPEAKER_00: I was, you know, early beta user for Chat GPT, all you know, all of that sort of stuff.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's all, and I read like two hours a day.
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  SPEAKER_00: I just read news about technology and tinker with things and all the rest of it.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that's the strategic part, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's a big part of every day and of longer term thinking and planning and all the rest of it.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then there's the empowerment part, right?
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_00: And for the empowerment, you know, I hate a micromanagement, right?
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_00: I and that's not my style, that's not how we operate uh at barefoot.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_00: And so it's it really is a lot about trust, right?
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_00: I hire the types of people that I can trust to do great work because we do great work here, right?
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_00: We have a high bar of excellence, and I can trust them to be autonomous.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't need to direct them every day, I don't need regular stand-up meetings with all of them or or any of that stuff.
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  SPEAKER_00: They're they're just great.
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  SPEAKER_00: And if they're not, they don't last very long here.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's just not in our culture.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like if you need to be micromanaged, then this is not the you know, just not the place for you.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so a big piece of empowerment is trust.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_00: And then there's just the nuts and bolts of it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Do you have what you need?
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_00: How can I help you?
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_00: What would make you level up?
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  SPEAKER_00: What would make you better?
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_00: What would you like to spend time learning?
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  SPEAKER_00: Which is a big one for me, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, we're we're embarking in this new space, and I'm extremely knowledgeable about it because I get to read for two hours a day and all the rest of it, but they don't, they're in the trenches.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_00: So, how do I educate them on what is happening in the world of technology right now and get them up to speed so that they can deliver better outcomes for our clients?
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_00: So, trust is really important, education is really important, autonomy is really important, and then just make sure they have what they need, right?
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_00: All the tools and the time and all the rest of it.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_00: If you can get those pieces right, then they'll that they'll love to do great work, right?
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_00: You create a place where they are proud of what they do.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_00: One of our core values is actually just be proud of your work.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_00: Because if you're proud of it, it means you worked hard.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_00: It means it's a high quality, it means that you care, right?
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_00: And so if you know, I I really try to instill that sense of pride in our work because I feel like it trickles down into all these other things that uh we want from our team.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So again, huge key insight, you know, trust and you know, you know, what to almost like to put it all together in a in a package is to also say, invest in your people and they will, and if they feel that investment, it's going to come back tenfold because they're gonna appreciate it.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_01: And then if they can because then you're taking pride of them, and they feel that they're going to also then really want to have the pride in the work that they're doing, and they kind of go hand in hand.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_00: Invest in your people.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, my my chief operating officer I hired as an intern.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_00: He was the very first person I hired uh 19 years ago or 20 years ago.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and and he's still with us.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's very rare that someone quits here uh because I think they feel that investment.
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  SPEAKER_00: They know that I care.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: And that we as a company are working together to to solve problems and to, you know, uh drive ROI for our clients, right?
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_00: Like that's what that's what we do here.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_00: And so when you invest and they know and they feel it, they stay.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_00: And I mean and and that and that's like just a very practical thing.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_00: The cost of losing someone, especially with a smaller team, you can't even put a number on it.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you can't.
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  SPEAKER_00: They're so valuable.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_00: And the longer they stay, the more valuable and the more productive they become, and the more helpful for the business and all the rest of it.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so, you know, the people is the most important thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: Period.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_00: Full stop.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_00: It's the people, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: It's also one of the hardest things.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_01: Right, right, right, right.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's it is so valuable.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, Andrew, you have such great insights, and I th and I would imagine that the what you do for your clients as a company is absolutely quite remarkable because you as a human are quite remarkable, and you're a great leader, and it's like tell you're a great CEO.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_01: Um, how can our listeners connect with you, learn more about you?
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_00: Please don't hesitate to reach out.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_00: You do not need to be a potential client for to get on the phone with me.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um I'm very active on LinkedIn.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_00: You can find me there, or just send me a direct email, hunter at barefoot solutions.com.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_00: I will reply.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_00: Uh so please don't hesitate to reach out.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_00: I love talking all things business and technology.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, and so I'd love to I'd love to speak to your listeners.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_01: Awesome.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_01: Well, fantastic.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_01: So, listeners, we've had some amazing insights uh here on the show today.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_01: And I would love for you to do me the favor and reach out to Hunter, connect with him, and then please go one step or two steps further, actually, and hit subscribe if you haven't already.
• 23:58
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