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Sharri | 23 September · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News. This is Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Good Evening. Welcome to the program tonight. Israel is on
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Speaker 2: the verge of a full blown war with hesblah this
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Speaker 2: as the United Nations absurdly claims the targeted pager attacks
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Speaker 2: could be.
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Speaker 3: A war crime. So much news from the Middle East.
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Speaker 2: Israeli politician Sharon Haskell would join me tonight, plus What's
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Speaker 2: in store for the next federal election as Albanese's primary
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Speaker 2: support falls to Gillard era levels during the carbon tax
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Speaker 2: lie and the academic leading the calls for former ABC
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Speaker 2: boss Mark Scott to resign from the University of Sydney,
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Speaker 2: Will tonight be on this program? And Kamala Harris's Oprah
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Speaker 2: interview mocked as Hollywood.
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Speaker 3: Elites fawn over the VP.
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Speaker 2: I have those reactions later in the show, but first tonight.
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Speaker 2: Woolwards and Cohls have been a Q used of offering
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Speaker 2: fake discounts on hundreds of grocery items, from cheese to toothpaste,
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Speaker 2: chocolates to lozenges. The cop on the beat to the
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Speaker 2: a triple C Today's stun the market by launching legal
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Speaker 2: action against the supermarket giants. The case against Woolies and
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Speaker 2: Coals is that they claimed they were dropping prices on
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Speaker 2: more than two hundred products each when in fact they
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Speaker 2: were increasing the price. Here was the A Triple C
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Speaker 2: Chair Gina Cascottlieb.
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Speaker 4: Today, the A triples ce alleges that the price discounts
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Speaker 4: as promoted wor misleading because the discount was illusory. For
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Speaker 4: many years, each of us, as consumers will have seen
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Speaker 4: the campaigns of Woolworths and calls that have led us
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Speaker 4: to understand that the prices dropped and down down prices
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Speaker 4: promotions relate to sustain to reductions in regular pricing, so to.
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Speaker 2: Be specific about it, Woolies and coals are accused of
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Speaker 2: raising the price of items by up to forty three
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Speaker 2: percent for a small period. They then lower it back
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Speaker 2: to either the original cost and yet claim that it
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Speaker 2: had been a major discount. In the case of Ario biscuits,
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Speaker 2: an example the A Triple C chair gave today, they
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Speaker 2: were originally three dollars fifty for a family pack.
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Speaker 3: Woolwors then lifted the price to five dollars.
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Speaker 2: They then dropped it back by just fifty cents to
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Speaker 2: four dollars fifty to claim that it had been discounted,
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Speaker 2: even though that price was about thirty percent higher than
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Speaker 2: the original. The Prime Minister spoke about this and he
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Speaker 2: said these were all serious claims.
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Speaker 5: Today, the A Triple C has alleged that Woolwors and
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Speaker 5: Coals temporarily increased the prices of two hundred and sixty
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Speaker 5: six will Worse products and two hundred and forty five
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Speaker 5: Coals products for short periods of time before placing them
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Speaker 5: on prices dropped and down down promotions. These are serious
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Speaker 5: allegations that the A triop'll see is bringing before the courts.
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Speaker 5: If this is found to be true, it's completely unacceptable.
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Speaker 5: This is not the Australian spirit. Customers don't deserve to
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Speaker 5: be treated as fools by the supermarkets.
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Speaker 3: The PM was loving this.
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Speaker 2: Let's be clear, the misleading conduct by Coles and Willworths
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Speaker 2: would be welcome news for him. He's been trying to
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Speaker 2: turn the supermarkets into villains in this cost of living crisis,
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Speaker 2: and the PM took full political advantage. He rushed to
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Speaker 2: hold a press conference to reannounce a recommendation from Craig
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Speaker 2: Emerson's review.
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Speaker 3: It was completed months ago.
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Speaker 2: Albaneze said he'd have a mandatory grocery code to find
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Speaker 2: the supermarkets multi million dollars for serious breaches.
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Speaker 5: We know there's more to do and my government wants
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Speaker 5: to make sure that Australian consumers get a fair.
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Speaker 2: Go and the Coalition today also welcomed this bombshell A
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Speaker 2: Triple C court case.
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Speaker 6: The home grain inflation is bearing down on every Australian household,
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Speaker 6: particularly when it comes to groceries. It's crucial that we
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Speaker 6: have fair and transparent price advertising and if there's been
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Speaker 6: misleading discounting, that's completely unacceptable and appropriate action should be taken.
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Speaker 2: Politically, Albanezi needed today's move by the a Triple C
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Speaker 2: because at the moment, voters are blaming the Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: for the cost of living crisis and for the inflation
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Speaker 2: remaining sticky resolve. Polling in the Herald Today shows that
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Speaker 2: Labour's primary vote is at record lows in every state.
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Speaker 2: Labour's primary is far lower than the co coalitions, and
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Speaker 2: it's lower even than at the last election when Labour's
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Speaker 2: primary then was it historic lows.
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Speaker 3: Now Labor is now.
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Speaker 2: In Gillard era territory during the period over the broken
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Speaker 2: promise on the carbon tax. Yet for Peter Dutton to
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Speaker 2: win the next election, he needs to get the coalition's
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Speaker 2: primary vote above forty percent and at the moment he's
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Speaker 2: only managing that in Queensland. And to do this to
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Speaker 2: really get a lift, Peter Dutton needs to take full
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Speaker 2: ownership of the cost of living crisis and he needs
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Speaker 2: to be able to pinnot on the Prime Minister, just
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Speaker 2: like Albenze did on Scott Morrison when there'd only been
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Speaker 2: one rate rise before the last election. Now, in the meantime,
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Speaker 2: the likelihood of a hung parliament is cementing for Albanesi,
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Speaker 2: and a hung parliament with the radical Greens who are
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Speaker 2: fueling our antisemitism crisis and some of the Teals who
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Speaker 2: aren't much better, would be highly alarming. Given the Greens
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Speaker 2: want a seat at the table, They're going to make
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Speaker 2: demands in the government. Were allowing this to happen, allowing
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Speaker 2: them to help run the country would be grotesque all right.
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Speaker 2: Now to the Middle East, where Israel is on the
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Speaker 2: verge of war with Lebanon. Hesbelah has bombarded Israel with
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Speaker 2: more than eight thousand rockets since the October seven attacks.
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Speaker 3: It also killed twelve Israeli children.
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Speaker 2: Israel finally hits back with the Genius Pager explosions and
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Speaker 2: a series of strikes. Now and yet the world is
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Speaker 2: outraged that Israel would dare retaliate against Hesbelah. Well, I
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Speaker 2: must must have missed the anger against Hesbelah for the
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Speaker 2: eight thousand rockets that it fired against Israeli citizens. They
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Speaker 2: weren't at all targeted those rocket attacks. They had the
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Speaker 2: aim of killing innocent families. But when Israel dared to
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Speaker 2: try eliminate the terror threat so families can move back
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Speaker 2: home to northern Israel or the humanitarian groups are furious
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Speaker 2: now the pager and the walkie talkie attacks, they were
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Speaker 2: the most sophisticated and targeted attacks. Only the people holding
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Speaker 2: the pages were injured. In the vast majority of cases,
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Speaker 2: only four civilians were killed four and Israel was tracking
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Speaker 2: each of the individuals holding the pages, according to news reports. Now,
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Speaker 2: the reaction from the humanitarian groups, well, it's so outrageous
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Speaker 2: that it's almost hilarious to see supposed human rights groups
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Speaker 2: become so deeply.
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Speaker 3: Upset about terrorists being killed.
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Speaker 2: Amnesty International sent out a media release today demand an
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Speaker 2: investigation into the pager and walkie talkie attacks. They're calling
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Speaker 2: them war crimes. Seriously, have a look Amnesty said, and
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Speaker 2: I quote, the attacks were carried out indiscriminately and would
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Speaker 2: be unlawful against international humanitarian law and should be investigated
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Speaker 2: as war crimes.
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Speaker 3: It's a joke, except it's not a joke. They're being serious.
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Speaker 2: And the United Nations overnight also said this could be
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Speaker 2: a war crime. Killing terrorists have a look.
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Speaker 7: Simultaneous targeting of thousands of individuals, whether civilians or members
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Speaker 7: of armed groups, without knowledge as to who was in
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Speaker 7: possession of the targeted devices, their location, and their surroundings
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Speaker 7: at the time of the attack violates Internation human rights
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Speaker 7: law and as applicable international humanitarian law.
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Speaker 2: These organizations have truly lost all rationality and credibility when
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Speaker 2: they oppose.
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Speaker 3: The killing of terrorists.
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Speaker 2: And Penny Wang meanwhile, sees this all as a reason
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Speaker 2: to give millions of dollars more to the Hamas controlled Gaza.
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Speaker 2: She announced today a further ten million dollars for Gaza,
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Speaker 2: taking the total taxpayer funds to more than eighty two
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Speaker 2: million dollars since October seven. Our hard earned taxpayer money,
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Speaker 2: and there's no accountability for our taxpayer funds. There's no
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Speaker 2: legitimate agency on the ground ensuring that there's no misuse
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Speaker 2: of the money. An Honra, as we know, has a
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Speaker 2: long history of links to Hamas. There's little to show
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Speaker 2: in Gaza for the billions of dollars in international aid
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Speaker 2: over the years, apart from the world class tunnel network,
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Speaker 2: which currently holds one hundred innocent hostages. The media reports
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Speaker 2: are that Etanyahu overnight said he believes around half are
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Speaker 2: still alive. Well, with all this aid flowing in from
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Speaker 2: around the world, is it any wonder that the Harmas
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Speaker 2: billionaires simply get richer and richer? All Right, a lot
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Speaker 2: coming up on the show tonight. As I said, we'll
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Speaker 2: bring in Sharon Haskell to get the latest from Israel
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Speaker 2: a bit later. Also the academic calling for Mark Scott
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Speaker 2: to resign.
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Speaker 3: That's all coming up.
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Speaker 2: We'll get to Kamala Harris and the Hollywood endorsement later,
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Speaker 2: but now let's bring in tonight's panel. Daily Telegraph journalist
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Speaker 2: James Willis and Sky News contributor Joe Hildebrand.
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Speaker 3: Welcome to you both.
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Speaker 2: Look, let's start with the a Triple C decision here today,
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Speaker 2: the legal action against the supermarkets. Joe, we've all been
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Speaker 2: skeptical about the discount prices, and everyone who does any
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Speaker 2: grocery shops.
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Speaker 3: I don't want to just say it's the mothers and the.
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Speaker 2: Women out there, but particularly the mothers at least in
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Speaker 2: my family.
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Speaker 3: I do the grocery shop.
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Speaker 2: And it's very that the prices over the past couple
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Speaker 2: of years have risen dramatically. But Joe, if the a
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Speaker 2: triple ce case is accurate, then this is pretty outrageous.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, it absolutely is. I do all the shopping in
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Speaker 8: my family.
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Speaker 9: I am absolutely fastidious about it. I love my fly Bys.
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Speaker 9: I watch every dollar, I watch every price movement, and
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Speaker 9: I had been quite skeptical about these prices. You know,
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Speaker 9: price dropped and lot says the sticker, and it seemed
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Speaker 9: to me strangely high, and even I, in my sort
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Speaker 9: of conspiratorial rabbit Warren, didn't quite figure out what these
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Speaker 9: guys are actually doing. So this notion that they would
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Speaker 9: artificially hike the price by say, for example, you know,
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Speaker 9: a dollar fifty for a couple of weeks, and then
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Speaker 9: dropped the price by fifty cents, hence of course making
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Speaker 9: it a price rise of a dollar on a product
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Speaker 9: that might be three or four dollars, and then say
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Speaker 9: the price has been dropped, citing the previous high price,
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Speaker 9: which is artificially inflated, just so they could then say
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Speaker 9: that the price has gone down. And this to me
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Speaker 9: is a sort of industrial scale gas lighting of consumers.
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Speaker 9: I'm not someone who just sort of sets and forget.
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Speaker 9: I'm someone who watches every single price. I'm as worried
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Speaker 9: about the cost of living as anyone else. I've got
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Speaker 9: interest rates up the wazoo and makes up to la zoo.
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Speaker 8: And I think this is a really disgraceful betrayal of
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Speaker 8: trust of Cole's and Willie's shoppers, of which I am
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Speaker 8: a very enthusiastic one.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, indeed, And I think it is good to know
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Speaker 2: that the A Triple C is being so active and
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Speaker 2: aggressive with this. James, But do you agree with what
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Speaker 2: I had to say there about the Prime Minister taking
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Speaker 2: full political advantage of this and he even made a
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Speaker 2: comment that it was the supermarkets in part pushing up inflation.
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Speaker 10: Absolutely, and we should be very cautious and take everything
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Speaker 10: that we hear from the A Triple C with a
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Speaker 10: grain of salt. They have a history of being a
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Speaker 10: bit of a truthless tiger. We heard recently with the
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Speaker 10: Quantus stuff, the a trible c boss saying we're going
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Speaker 10: for a record punishment, we are going to go after Quantis.
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Speaker 1: This is industrial scale.
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Speaker 10: YadA, YadA, YadA, And in the end it kind of
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Speaker 10: fizzled out and we got a result, but it wasn't
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Speaker 10: as big as what we thought. So I'm always skeptical
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Speaker 10: of what I do here from the A Triple C.
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Speaker 10: The wider issue for labor and the Prime Minister is that, yes,
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Speaker 10: Coles and Woworth's big business, but the cost of every
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Speaker 10: business in this country has gone through the roof in
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Speaker 10: recent times.
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Speaker 1: Energy is driving that.
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Speaker 10: Big issues with the ir laws and a number of
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Speaker 10: other things that are having a really big impact on
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Speaker 10: business and their margins and their profits and everything else.
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Speaker 10: Now I'm not going to bat Coles and Wilworth's here.
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Speaker 10: I think what we've heard today is very serious. But
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Speaker 10: the wider issue for the Prime Minister right now that
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Speaker 10: you are hearing and you are seeing in the polls
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Speaker 10: is that businesses are doing it tough and people blame
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Speaker 10: labor for the cost of living crisis that we see.
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Speaker 2: And they do that because the Prime Minister promised before
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Speaker 2: the last election that he would be able to fix
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Speaker 2: the cost of living crisis.
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Speaker 3: That he would make life more affordable.
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Speaker 2: Instead, everything has of course gone up since then, so
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Speaker 2: he did take ownership of that problem politically. Now let's
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Speaker 2: turn to the Heston Russell story that we've now all
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Speaker 2: been covering for a couple of weeks now that ABC
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Speaker 2: has been caught out lying after revelations that they were
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Speaker 2: warned multiple times about errors in their war crime reporting
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Speaker 2: about Heston Russell, not just once like they claimed. Now,
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Speaker 2: these warnings went as far back as October twenty twenty two,
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Speaker 2: so two years ago now. Now, ABC boss David Anderson
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Speaker 2: has admitted that they were told once, but then he
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Speaker 2: blamed the legal team for not passing on information to
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Speaker 2: the news division. I mean, Joe, this is very convenient,
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Speaker 2: isn't it. It's always the lawyer's fault. It's the legal
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Speaker 2: team's fault. It wasn't the journalist, not Mark Willisey's fault.
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Speaker 8: It's always the lawyer's fault or the sub fault. But
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Speaker 8: in this case I find this so difficulty just because lawyers,
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Speaker 8: as you and I know, Sharry, are usually the most
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Speaker 8: risk averse members of any media organization. The slightest whiff
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Speaker 8: of anything that could be defamatory or anything that could
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Speaker 8: get the organization tangled up in court is something that
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Speaker 8: sends off a red flag in the in house legal
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Speaker 8: department long before the sort of somewhat more gung ho
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Speaker 8: journals in the newsroom, who obviously don't want to be
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Speaker 8: cowed away from any story, would run away from it.
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Speaker 8: So it strikes me as passing strange that the legal
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Speaker 8: department would be so sort of cavalier or have so
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Speaker 8: little attention to detail or to the risks that the
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Speaker 8: newsroom was embarking upon, that they would simply not say
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Speaker 8: anything about these multiple complaints or multiple warnings at all.
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Speaker 8: It just seems very very strange to me and James
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Speaker 8: and I actually just did on my podcast a sort
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Speaker 8: of deep dive into this, and Heston russell as personally
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Speaker 8: thanked us for doing that, as I know you have
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Speaker 8: been very strong.
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Speaker 3: Well good on you, Joe, Good on New Joe.
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Speaker 2: Now, James, you know, I think that's a really important
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Speaker 2: point here, because David Anderson is saying, I know, you know,
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Speaker 2: we weren't told. Yes, there was a legal letter, but
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Speaker 2: he went to the lawyers. But what about you and
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Speaker 2: Ben Fordham, you guys were on air pointing out multiple
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Speaker 2: problems with the story, and in fact, not only did
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Speaker 2: the ABC not take it seriously, but Mark Willisy rang
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Speaker 2: you blowing up?
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Speaker 1: He was yelling, yeah he did.
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Speaker 10: And it was one of the greatest calls I've ever
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Speaker 10: been part of in my life as a media and
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Speaker 10: I get asked about it so often. Look at the
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Speaker 10: reality was he was so hell bent and was so
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Speaker 10: firm on his belief that it was Heston Russell shooting
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Speaker 10: the gun in the vision that he had shown on
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Speaker 10: the seven to thirty program, which is now the subject
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Speaker 10: of this internal investigation. I'll never forget it. He said,
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Speaker 10: it is.
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Speaker 1: Effing Heston Russell shooting for that helicopter.
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Speaker 10: Now, Heston Russell had the raw footage, and we now
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Speaker 10: know that it wasn't Heston on the gun, but on
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Speaker 10: the legal issue. And I think it's important to know
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Speaker 10: this wasn't just one letter. This was a back and
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Speaker 10: forth between Heston's lawyers and the ABC that went on
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Speaker 10: for five or six months before they ended up going
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Speaker 10: to the federal court. And at every occasion the ABC
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Speaker 10: lawyers would have needed directions from their client, which was
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Speaker 10: ABC News, and obviously the barrises that came with that
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Speaker 10: as well. So the idea that they weren't aware of
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Speaker 10: is to me, with this investigation on folding, I find
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Speaker 10: quite ludicrous. Mark Willisy also told the federal court that
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Speaker 10: he had seen the unedited footage, which was handed over
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Speaker 10: by the by Heston's team six months in.
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Speaker 1: So there's a long way to go.
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Speaker 10: But I thought that statement was a massive cop out
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Speaker 10: on Friday.
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Speaker 3: One hundred percent.
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Speaker 2: But I also think the significance of that phone call
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Speaker 2: to you. I mean, this is the public broadcaster trying
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Speaker 2: to shut down the reporting of another media organization.
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Speaker 3: That's how arrogant they.
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Speaker 10: Were, totally on an issue as serious as war crimes
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Speaker 10: that went on for four or five years, where they
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Speaker 10: took a very negative stance, And I believe when you
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Speaker 10: look at the recruitment numbers in the military and some
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Speaker 10: of the issues that we have trying to get people
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Speaker 10: to join the army, the campaign from the public broadcaster
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Speaker 10: did enormous damage and to this day the entire sas
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Speaker 10: and commandos have been hurt by that badly.
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Speaker 2: Well, knowing how Defense, the senior Defense treat people under
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Speaker 2: them who are going through putting them through investigations, often
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Speaker 2: when they're innocent.
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Speaker 3: Past the suicide rate.
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Speaker 2: I mean, who would encourage their kids to join the
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Speaker 2: Australian Army.
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Speaker 10: And Defense have been so embarrassing in how quiet they've
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Speaker 10: been throughout this. They barely gave support twenty of the
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Speaker 10: soldiers that have taken legal action in recent times and
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Speaker 10: I think that's a lot to say. They feel abandoned
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Speaker 10: a lot of these soldiers by the Defense Department.
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Speaker 2: All right, well, let's have a look at this admission
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Speaker 2: for Australia's population. Now we know that we heard the
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Speaker 2: news from that ABC last week that Australia's population has
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Speaker 2: now hit twenty seven million people and overseas migration made
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Speaker 2: up for eighty three percent of the past year's growth.
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Speaker 2: The abeneazy government has been pursuing this Big Australia policy.
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Speaker 3: But then there was so.
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Speaker 2: Much backlash that the government repeatedly pledged they were going
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Speaker 2: to lower migration given it is contributing to the housing crisis.
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Speaker 3: But then the Treasurer said that.
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Speaker 2: The forecast wouldn't be coming down quite as they promised.
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Speaker 3: Have a look.
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Speaker 11: There is likely to be a revision of those net overseas.
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Speaker 12: Migration forecast because of those fewer departures.
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Speaker 6: So it will be over four hundred thousand most likely?
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Speaker 13: Is that fair?
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Speaker 8: Will that take them in the usual way?
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Speaker 3: All right?
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Speaker 2: Joe Hilde Brown, What are the reasons for this revised forecast.
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Speaker 8: There's a couple of reasons.
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Speaker 9: Firstly, the overall number is coming down, So it was
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Speaker 9: something like well over five and a half hundred thousand
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Speaker 9: in September last year. It's now about five hundred and
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Speaker 9: nine thousand, so it is coming down very slowly. It's
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Speaker 9: still obviously too high for most people's liking. And as
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Speaker 9: the Treasurer has said, the problem with the forecast is
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Speaker 9: not so much the number of people they predicted coming in,
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Speaker 9: but the number of people leaving. It turns out Australia
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Speaker 9: is in fact a very nice place to live in,
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Speaker 9: which will surprise many on the extreme level to keep
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Speaker 9: going on about how racist and terrible we are, and
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Speaker 9: so people are staying, they're not leaving, and so they
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Speaker 9: seem as the treasure is said, to have got the
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Speaker 9: number of arrivals about right, but fewer people are leaving
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Speaker 9: than they expected. But obviously with all migration policy, it
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Speaker 9: is a difficult sort of needle to thread it. You
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Speaker 9: can't just sort of turn it on and off like
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Speaker 9: a tap. It takes a very long time. You're projecting
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Speaker 9: obviously next year's arrivals when you're making the announcements this year.
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Speaker 8: And of course we still need skilled migrants, for example,
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Speaker 8: to build our houses. There are shortages in the construction sector,
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Speaker 8: and we also need international students to spend all their
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Speaker 8: money here and help.
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Speaker 3: At least the universities figure.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, at least the universities want more international students. But James,
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Speaker 2: I think part of the issue politically is that the
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Speaker 2: Albanezi government never told anyone it was pursuing this big
21:21
Speaker 2: Australia agenda. They never said they were going to increase
21:24
Speaker 2: the population to the levels that they did, just like
21:27
Speaker 2: in so many other areas, and they did it in part,
21:31
Speaker 2: I think, to make sure that we didn't go into
21:33
Speaker 2: a recession.
21:34
Speaker 1: That's right.
21:34
Speaker 10: Yeah, And you hear from a lot of Treasury officials
21:36
Speaker 10: that say, if it wasn't for these big migration numbers,
21:38
Speaker 10: the financial position would be very different. So we're effectively
21:41
Speaker 10: in this sort of zombie economy at the moment. However,
21:44
Speaker 10: I think the politician that stands up and I think
21:46
Speaker 10: this is a massive issue heading into the next election
21:49
Speaker 10: and says enough of this, it's a short term fix.
21:52
Speaker 10: The arguments about international students and skill shortages. What are
21:56
Speaker 10: we doing to get Australians skilled up. There's a million
22:00
Speaker 10: people on job seeker and unemployment benefits. We haven't made
22:03
Speaker 10: a dent in that number under this labor government. We
22:06
Speaker 10: need to start looking after our own first and for
22:08
Speaker 10: every person that we bring in, they're need a hospital bed,
22:11
Speaker 10: they need a school for their kids and everything else.
22:13
Speaker 10: So yeah, for mine, this is the top in the
22:16
Speaker 10: top three issues.
22:17
Speaker 1: Heading into the next election.
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Speaker 10: And if Peter Dutton continues on this track, he's going
22:22
Speaker 10: to get some serious traction in the electric because people
22:27
Speaker 10: you read those stats, think about that out loud.
22:29
Speaker 1: Twenty seven million people.
22:31
Speaker 10: We were at twenty five million not all that long ago,
22:33
Speaker 10: and eighty three percent driven by migrants. I mean, is
22:37
Speaker 10: that the Australia that we want? And I think the
22:39
Speaker 10: politician that stands up and says enough is enough will
22:43
Speaker 10: be hail to hear. We have to start looking after
22:45
Speaker 10: our own, skilling our own people up and not relying
22:48
Speaker 10: on foreigners to fix skill shortages. Is not a short
22:51
Speaker 10: term fix, but it's a fix that is definitely worth pursuing.
22:54
Speaker 2: What with some economists as saying that we actually need
22:56
Speaker 2: to pause or lower migration to about ninety thousand in
23:00
Speaker 2: a year just to let the housing supply catch up
23:03
Speaker 2: because we are in such crisis at the moment. Now,
23:06
Speaker 2: just to end, you'll recall that New South Wales Green's
23:09
Speaker 2: politician Jenny Leong was slammed when she made this anti
23:14
Speaker 2: Semitic comment.
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Speaker 4: Have a look because their tentacles reach in to the
23:20
Speaker 4: areas that try and influence power, and I think that
23:23
Speaker 4: we need to call that out and expose it.
23:26
Speaker 2: So accusing Jewish groups of having their tentacles in everything
23:31
Speaker 2: Green's politician Jenny leon and her comment was correctly widely condemned,
23:37
Speaker 2: even by the Prime Minister. She was then taken to
23:40
Speaker 2: the Human Rights Commission by a Jewish individual who I've
23:43
Speaker 2: been in contact with.
23:45
Speaker 3: They were in mediation, it was ongoing. Lawyers were involved.
23:49
Speaker 2: We now know thanks to Tams and Rose in The
23:51
Speaker 2: Guardian that as part of the settlement, Jenny Leong agreed
23:56
Speaker 2: to go attend a free guided tour of the Sydney
23:59
Speaker 2: Jewish Holocaust Museum and donate two thousand dollars to it. Now,
24:04
Speaker 2: she didn't just agree to go to the Holocaust Museum voluntarily,
24:08
Speaker 2: by the way, it was after lengthy legal mediation sessions.
24:14
Speaker 3: Now, this whole thing has reminded.
24:16
Speaker 2: Me of this clip from the Israeli American comedian Modi.
24:22
Speaker 14: Cancel culture is anti Semitic. You say anything about Latino's
24:28
Speaker 14: Asian Black trans Gate, You're done. You've finished. There's no
24:31
Speaker 14: second chance. When someone says something bad against Jews, the worst,
24:36
Speaker 14: the worst that can happen is they make them visit
24:38
Speaker 14: a Holocaust museum.
24:42
Speaker 3: It's so true, Joe, what do you think. There's a
24:45
Speaker 3: lot of truth to this.
24:46
Speaker 2: Oh, the penalty I have to go to the Holocaust Museum.
24:51
Speaker 8: It's so python esk, isn't it? And I one of
24:53
Speaker 8: the things I really despise is this kind of you know, Oh,
24:57
Speaker 8: I'm always open to learning into increasing my education and
25:01
Speaker 8: understanding of these issues, as though prior to this, no
25:05
Speaker 8: one knew the Holocaust happened, No one knew what happens
25:08
Speaker 8: when you start to characterize Jewish people as animals or
25:11
Speaker 8: as the head of a sort of global cabal that
25:14
Speaker 8: has its quite unquite tentacles in every sort of center
25:17
Speaker 8: of society. I mean, this is literally Nazi propaganda and
25:22
Speaker 8: the idea that you would not know that this was
25:25
Speaker 8: what led up to the greatest humanitarian disaster, the greatest
25:29
Speaker 8: active genocide. I mean, they banded the word genocide around now,
25:32
Speaker 8: but the greatest active genocide in all of human history
25:35
Speaker 8: was fueled by these kinds of tropes. It was fueled
25:38
Speaker 8: by conspiracy theories about the protocols of the Elders of
25:41
Speaker 8: Zion that was spouted in Nazi Germany, in fascist circles
25:47
Speaker 8: in Spain and Italy in the early half of the
25:50
Speaker 8: twentieth century, and of course in communist regimes in the USSR.
25:55
Speaker 8: So it's staggering to think that, you know, you could
25:59
Speaker 8: just go on a quick day trip to the museum,
26:01
Speaker 8: which is free by the complimentary you're not going to
26:04
Speaker 8: have to pay the entry fee, and and suddenly, all right, now,
26:09
Speaker 8: the Holocaust happened because of all that stuff. And then
26:12
Speaker 8: at the same time she's also donated two thousand dollars
26:16
Speaker 8: to another.
26:17
Speaker 3: Sort of Yes, but that's an anti.
26:19
Speaker 8: Hawkish group of Jewish people who she's sort.
26:24
Speaker 3: Of it's basically a pro Palaesoni that.
26:28
Speaker 8: To repeat all her sort of clothes exactly.
26:33
Speaker 15: It's not.
26:35
Speaker 8: Apology.
26:36
Speaker 2: Indeed, all right, we're out of time, Joe Hildebrand, James
26:39
Speaker 2: Willis and thank you both so much. And by the way,
26:41
Speaker 2: if you haven't seen any of Mody's clips, they're so funny.
26:45
Speaker 2: He's got an hour up on YouTube. You should look
26:48
Speaker 2: it up, because sometimes you do need to laugh about
26:50
Speaker 2: this stuff, because otherwise it's just so depressing. Now a
26:54
Speaker 2: new war A new war front has officially opened up
26:57
Speaker 2: between Israel and Hezbillah in Lebanon. Israel has launched widespread
27:01
Speaker 2: strikes on Hesbela, striking around two hundred and ninety targets
27:06
Speaker 2: as well as thousands of rocket launcher barrels, but it
27:09
Speaker 2: only did so after sending warning messages to Lebanese civilians.
27:14
Speaker 2: Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Ettia, who has vowed that Israel
27:17
Speaker 2: will take whatever action's necessary so that families from northern
27:21
Speaker 2: Israel can return home.
27:24
Speaker 16: In the subsequent months, they haven't stopped for a single
27:27
Speaker 16: day attacking us. No country can accept the wanton rocketing
27:32
Speaker 16: of its cities. We can't accept it either. We will
27:36
Speaker 16: take whatever action is necessary to restore security and to
27:40
Speaker 16: bring our people safe back to their holes.
27:45
Speaker 2: Hesbela has fired more than one hundred rockets deep into
27:48
Speaker 2: Israel just over the weekend. But as we know, eight
27:51
Speaker 2: thousand since October seven. And meanwhile, Israel has killed Hesbela
27:55
Speaker 2: leaders in an s strike on Friday, and at the
27:58
Speaker 2: time they were killed, they were reportedly planning another October
28:02
Speaker 2: seven like invasion. Now, meanwhile, there's also reports and I'm
28:06
Speaker 2: going to ask Sharon Haskell about these in a moment,
28:09
Speaker 2: that Netiyao who has said privately that he believes around
28:13
Speaker 2: half of the one hundred hostages in Gaza are still alive,
28:17
Speaker 2: so half not alive, and he's reportedly looking at what
28:21
Speaker 2: action he can take in northern Gaza. In northern Gaza,
28:25
Speaker 2: Israel has also rated the Al Jazeera officers in the
28:27
Speaker 2: West Bank, issuing a forty five day closure order, and
28:31
Speaker 2: Israel claims that the Al Jazeera bureau has been inciting
28:35
Speaker 2: terror and supporting terrorist activities. Let's bring it now, Israeli
28:40
Speaker 2: politician Sharon Haskell, Sharon, thank you very much for joining
28:43
Speaker 2: us again tonight.
28:45
Speaker 3: So much to talk about.
28:46
Speaker 2: Let's start with the war against Hezbolah. Now we're hearing
28:50
Speaker 2: that resources are being diverted from Gaza to the north
28:54
Speaker 2: of Israel. Are you expecting a major war now between
28:59
Speaker 2: Israe and Hesbala in Lebanon.
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Speaker 17: Well, unfortunately, I don't think we can avoid that.
29:07
Speaker 15: Shary.
29:07
Speaker 17: I was on your show about a month ago, three
29:10
Speaker 17: months ago, six months ago, and I think also eleven
29:13
Speaker 17: months ago, and all of that time, for eleven months,
29:18
Speaker 17: Chris Bella has been attacking Israel with rockets, civilians, destroying
29:24
Speaker 17: towns in Israel, massacring children and elderly people who fled
29:30
Speaker 17: from their homes or refugees here in Israel, tens of thousands.
29:34
Speaker 17: And no matter how much pressure the international community is
29:39
Speaker 17: putting on Risbella, including France, in the United States and
29:43
Speaker 17: other friends, who were trying for months to negotiate an agreement,
29:49
Speaker 17: unfortunately Risbella is not interested in that, and therefore we
29:53
Speaker 17: are left with only one choice, which is full confrontation.
29:58
Speaker 17: I've said on your show, I think eleven months ago,
30:00
Speaker 17: and that was even before one soldier set foot in Gaza.
30:05
Speaker 17: That was after the seventh of October massacre, when Chris
30:09
Speaker 17: Balad started firing rockets towards Israel. Why why not even
30:14
Speaker 17: a single soldier set foot yet in Gaza. It is
30:19
Speaker 17: because this war is a war with Iran. This is
30:23
Speaker 17: a war of radical Islam, who is fighting our ideas,
30:27
Speaker 17: our community, our culture, the way that we live in
30:31
Speaker 17: a democratic and free society.
30:34
Speaker 3: And so.
30:35
Speaker 17: This issue is about a far wider.
30:39
Speaker 3: And regional war.
30:42
Speaker 17: And so unfortunately, as I said eleven months ago, we
30:45
Speaker 17: do not want to see the sights of Jabalia in Beirut.
30:50
Speaker 17: But unfortunately not leaving us with many options.
30:54
Speaker 2: So have you been brief to you know, you're a
30:57
Speaker 2: member of the Israeli parliament, the Kines said, have you
31:00
Speaker 2: got other information you can share with us on what
31:04
Speaker 2: the endgame is here? You know, are you expecting that
31:07
Speaker 2: to be widespread or even wider strikes? Despite the United
31:12
Speaker 2: States trying to de escalate the situation, tell Israel that
31:16
Speaker 2: you know it shouldn't defend itself against Hasbelah.
31:21
Speaker 17: Well, there's only there's a very simple step that can
31:25
Speaker 17: be made in order to stop this escalation and this confrontation,
31:30
Speaker 17: and it is that Chris Blad will go back to
31:33
Speaker 17: the Litany line, the resolution, uh you know of the
31:39
Speaker 17: of the security accounts on the United Nations that that
31:44
Speaker 17: brought up that Chris Ballad cannot advance more than that
31:48
Speaker 17: line was broken. And so if they want the de escalation.
31:52
Speaker 17: They need to go back behind this line. We've said
31:55
Speaker 17: a numerous times throughout.
31:57
Speaker 4: All these months.
31:58
Speaker 17: We need that in order for our people, our families
32:02
Speaker 17: to be able to go back to their home safely
32:06
Speaker 17: without being worried that their home is going to be
32:09
Speaker 17: hit by RPGs, by missiles. Children that goes to play
32:13
Speaker 17: soccer won't be massacred in the middle of the game.
32:17
Speaker 17: You know, that's the only thing that we want. We
32:19
Speaker 17: want to be able to go back to our life
32:22
Speaker 17: living safely and securely. And for that, kiz Balan needs
32:27
Speaker 17: to go back behind the tiny river line.
32:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, Sharon, I've spoken to you before on the program
32:35
Speaker 2: about how the Australian government has given almost three thousand
32:40
Speaker 2: tourist visas visitor visas to gardens without proper security checks.
32:45
Speaker 2: We've now learned just on the weekend that some of
32:48
Speaker 2: the security checks actually didn't happen until after the gardens
32:53
Speaker 2: had arrived in Australia. Given your intimate knowledge of the situation,
32:58
Speaker 2: how concerned would you be about the Palestinians arriving here
33:02
Speaker 2: without security checks about whether they might support Hamas or
33:06
Speaker 2: the October seven attacks.
33:10
Speaker 17: So I would be extremely worried I mean, this is
33:12
Speaker 17: Australia importing, you know, the problems of the Middle East.
33:18
Speaker 17: We are at war, and we're not in a territorial war.
33:22
Speaker 3: This is a religious and cultural war.
33:25
Speaker 17: This is radical Islam against Western civilization.
33:29
Speaker 3: And instead of trying.
33:31
Speaker 17: To deal with the core of this problem, Australia is
33:35
Speaker 17: actually importing that problem into your own country. And I've
33:39
Speaker 17: seen the rise of anti Semitism in Australia. We've seen
33:43
Speaker 17: different attack who were prevented last minute, people could have
33:48
Speaker 17: been killed. And I think that the Australian government hasn't
33:53
Speaker 17: the penny didn't drop yet. They don't understand it yet,
33:57
Speaker 17: and unfortunately they might understand it when it's too late.
34:01
Speaker 17: You see terror cells who are already set in Europe
34:04
Speaker 17: and South Central America, in America, in Canada, I mean
34:09
Speaker 17: the place where Chris Ballad go to collect donations. The
34:14
Speaker 17: best place for them is Canada. It's the center of
34:18
Speaker 17: you know, collecting donations for his Ballad.
34:21
Speaker 3: Okay, So.
34:24
Speaker 17: The government has to have enough information about the individuals
34:30
Speaker 17: that they haven't been part of terrorist group of plotting,
34:35
Speaker 17: of murdering, of executing, of burning, that they don't import
34:40
Speaker 17: those radical ideas into Australia, making sure that women's and
34:44
Speaker 17: children who have peace, who want to find a better
34:48
Speaker 17: life that can assimilate into the beautiful Australian community in
34:52
Speaker 17: the country, that's what they actually want.
34:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a highly concerning situation where should not take
34:59
Speaker 2: our peaceful country for granted. As Sharon Haskell, always great
35:03
Speaker 2: having you on the show, Thank you for your time.
35:06
Speaker 2: Now still to come, Labor losing the cost of living
35:09
Speaker 2: debate as more poles spell bad news for alban Easy,
35:13
Speaker 2: Labor's primary now in Gillard territory during the carbon tax
35:16
Speaker 2: broken promise.
35:17
Speaker 3: Well, Cameron Milner and David Gazard will.
35:19
Speaker 2: Tell me what this means for the upcoming election that's
35:22
Speaker 2: coming up after the break.
35:27
Speaker 3: Welcome back.
35:28
Speaker 2: Well, plenty more to get through tonight, So let's bring
35:30
Speaker 2: in my regular Monday Political Insiders panel, Bill Shotton's former
35:34
Speaker 2: chief of staff and former Labor State Secretary Cameron Milner,
35:38
Speaker 2: and John Howard's former Press secretary David Gazzard.
35:41
Speaker 3: Welcome to you both. Well, let's turn to the polling today.
35:45
Speaker 2: We saw both the Resolve poll in the Herald and
35:48
Speaker 2: News poll which spelled more bad news for alban Easy. Cameron,
35:53
Speaker 2: do you think the Prime Minister would be feeling the
35:56
Speaker 2: heat given the polls are cementing that it does look
36:00
Speaker 2: like at best a hung parliament.
36:04
Speaker 12: Well, this guy must have the thicker skin in Australia
36:07
Speaker 12: because he hasn't hurt the message from the people on
36:08
Speaker 12: the street. The people are supposed to be out meeting Shari.
36:11
Speaker 12: I mean, it's no great surprise the rest of us
36:13
Speaker 12: who are talking to Australians understand just how badly this
36:16
Speaker 12: government's handling things. Melissa government, who has an answer for
36:19
Speaker 12: nothing and an excuse for everything. It's a little wonder
36:22
Speaker 12: the poles are so bad. But what it shows both
36:24
Speaker 12: the resolved pole the news pole is that Labour's only
36:26
Speaker 12: pathway to government is with the Greens and with the
36:28
Speaker 12: Teals and Albanize better front up to Australia honestly before
36:32
Speaker 12: the election, explained how he's going to do that, not
36:34
Speaker 12: excuse I'll trust me on afterwards, explain how he's going
36:37
Speaker 12: to government with the Greens, because that's what these poles show.
36:39
Speaker 2: Chari and your column in the Nightly a few days ago,
36:43
Speaker 2: you know, said that Alberizy does need to preference the
36:45
Speaker 2: Greens last and he needs to come out and say this,
36:49
Speaker 2: David Gazard.
36:49
Speaker 12: There's still they're a deeply extremist party.
36:52
Speaker 3: They are.
36:53
Speaker 2: Indeed, David, there's still a long way to go though,
36:56
Speaker 2: until Peter Darton makes up the ground to put him
37:00
Speaker 2: in a position to win minority or let alone majority government.
37:04
Speaker 2: I mean the coalition's just so far behind on the seats.
37:10
Speaker 18: Yeah, that's I think that's right.
37:11
Speaker 11: I mean the most likely passway forward at the moment
37:13
Speaker 11: is you see a minority.
37:16
Speaker 18: Government either way. That said, there's a long way to go.
37:19
Speaker 11: Most people don't make up their mind until very late
37:21
Speaker 11: in the campaign, and we haven't seen any policies yet
37:26
Speaker 11: really effectively from the coalition.
37:29
Speaker 18: So once that starts and people start making up their mind.
37:31
Speaker 11: But you know, there's only been one one term government
37:35
Speaker 11: in Australia's history since federation, the thirty one scull And government,
37:38
Speaker 11: So just on sheer history alone, you'd have to say
37:41
Speaker 11: that most people would be very careful about switching their
37:44
Speaker 11: vote this time round. That said, you've seen a compression
37:49
Speaker 11: of voting habits at state elections, biggest wings, shorter durations
37:54
Speaker 11: of government. So you know, this landscape has changed a
37:59
Speaker 11: lot since the Scoleon government.
38:01
Speaker 18: No doubt about that since nearly.
38:02
Speaker 3: One hundred years ago.
38:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Labour's primary anyway the last election was just
38:07
Speaker 2: thirty three percent, a record lows, and it's only fallen
38:12
Speaker 2: since then.
38:13
Speaker 8: Now.
38:13
Speaker 2: Peter Dutton gave a major speech on nuclear energy policy today. Cameron,
38:18
Speaker 2: the opposition leader, said that if the state premiers supported
38:21
Speaker 2: his plan, he'd be able to get it up and
38:23
Speaker 2: running pretty quickly. But the issue is that most of
38:26
Speaker 2: the states at this point anyway don't support it.
38:32
Speaker 12: Well, that's right, and I think even David Christoph Fuley
38:34
Speaker 12: in Queensland said that he won't go nuclear even if
38:36
Speaker 12: he wins the Queensland say election. So yes, there's that problem,
38:39
Speaker 12: But I think the voters are making the change. Heyreshari,
38:41
Speaker 12: I mean, nineteen out of twenty countries around the world
38:43
Speaker 12: used nuclear power perfectly safely. I mean the French get
38:46
Speaker 12: to Paris Accord numbers because they've got nuclear energy for
38:49
Speaker 12: goodness sake. So I think it's changing. I think what's
38:51
Speaker 12: changing is when Albo was a young bloke running around
38:54
Speaker 12: a T shirt with a placard saying no nukes, that
38:57
Speaker 12: might have worked sixty plus. Now he's not for the times.
39:00
Speaker 12: Young people aren't fearful of nuclear energy and they're becoming
39:03
Speaker 12: a huge voting cohort. And I think on the issue
39:06
Speaker 12: of nuclear Dutton's got it right. It's the future getting
39:09
Speaker 12: to next zero by twenty fifty, along with renewables everything
39:11
Speaker 12: else we're doing as well.
39:13
Speaker 2: I think that's right that the fear factor isn't there anymore,
39:17
Speaker 2: David Gazzard, because there's what thirty other countries around the
39:20
Speaker 2: world who do use nuclear as part of their energy mix.
39:24
Speaker 18: That's right.
39:25
Speaker 11: And the seal was willing to truly broken on this
39:28
Speaker 11: by Anthony Albanezi himself when he backed the Orchest Plan,
39:32
Speaker 11: which is going to put nuclear submarines into our harbors
39:35
Speaker 11: over the next.
39:36
Speaker 18: Sort of two decades.
39:37
Speaker 11: So it's pretty hard to say, well, we won't let
39:40
Speaker 11: you have a nuclear power station anywhere near you, but
39:44
Speaker 11: we're going to have sailors sitting on top of one
39:47
Speaker 11: in submarines.
39:47
Speaker 18: That we've endorsed and paid for. So I think Cameron's right.
39:54
Speaker 11: And the test of what he has just said is
39:57
Speaker 11: the fact that Peter Dutton has made multiple announcements about
40:01
Speaker 11: nuclear so he clearly sees it as an itery process
40:05
Speaker 11: that he's winning him votes not losing in votes between
40:08
Speaker 11: now and the election.
40:09
Speaker 13: Yeah, all right, I can absolutely right, David.
40:12
Speaker 1: I think that's right.
40:15
Speaker 12: I was going to say. I mean, you know, you
40:16
Speaker 12: know Peter Dutton's nuclear power plants are going to be
40:19
Speaker 12: much further away from population and community, and yet you
40:22
Speaker 12: know Albo's nuclear subs are going to be seeing under
40:24
Speaker 12: the Sydney have a bridge. I mean, you know, if
40:25
Speaker 12: you're fearful about nuclear the Orchest subs are a far
40:28
Speaker 12: worse problem. So no, I think David's exactly right. I
40:30
Speaker 12: mean I think the fear fact has gone out, and
40:32
Speaker 12: Pete Dutton has been up front, and yet the poles
40:34
Speaker 12: are still going his way even after announcing this nuclear policy.
40:38
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and look it gives another potential solution in
40:42
Speaker 2: any case, to the energy crisis in this country. All right,
40:45
Speaker 2: Camra Milner, David Gazard really appreciate your time. Now still
40:49
Speaker 2: to come a vote of no confidence in Mark Scott
40:52
Speaker 2: as calls grow louder for him to resign. One academic
40:55
Speaker 2: would join me to explain why staff and students one
40:58
Speaker 2: him gone. Donald Trump reveals his next move if he
41:02
Speaker 2: doesn't win in November.
41:03
Speaker 3: That's all coming up.
41:08
Speaker 1: Well.
41:09
Speaker 2: University of Sydney Vice Chancellor Mark Scott is tonight under
41:13
Speaker 2: pressure to resign after his failure to tackle anti semitism
41:17
Speaker 2: on campus. Here he was giving a long awaited apology
41:21
Speaker 2: at a Senate inquiry on Friday.
41:24
Speaker 19: And the testimonials are heartbreaking and unacceptable and for that
41:29
Speaker 19: I am sorry. Students have felt unsafe or unwelcome. If
41:34
Speaker 19: that has been their lived experience, if that is their testimony,
41:37
Speaker 19: then we have failed them. Yes, well, no, that's exactly right, Cinema,
41:42
Speaker 19: and that's why it've happened.
41:43
Speaker 2: Yes, And joining me now is former University of Sydney
41:47
Speaker 2: academic Andy Smith, who left in February after twelve years
41:52
Speaker 2: citing antisemitism.
41:54
Speaker 3: Andy, thank you very much for your time tonight.
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Speaker 2: Now You're not the only academic to leave the university
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Speaker 2: in over antisemitism.
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Speaker 3: There have been several others. How distressing has this been
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Speaker 3: for academics.
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Speaker 20: For academics and professional stuff. There have been I'm aware
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Speaker 20: of seven that have resigned from the university since February
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Speaker 20: and that have stated anti semitism was a part of
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Speaker 20: their reason to leave.
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Speaker 13: And it's a very big decision. Sydney's got a very
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Speaker 13: very good reputation.
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Speaker 20: The idea that you're going to leave Sydney because you
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Speaker 20: know you've maybe that's the pinnacle of your career where
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Speaker 20: you've wanted to end up, and that you decide that
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Speaker 20: you need to leave because you don't feel comfortable safe
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Speaker 20: on campus.
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Speaker 13: It's a massive decision.
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Speaker 2: Now you're speaking out on behalf of sixty Jewish and
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Speaker 2: non Jewish staff who are fed up with how Mark
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Speaker 2: Scott has handled this issue. You're also one of twenty
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Speaker 2: three people who've lodged legal action or acclaim rather with
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Speaker 2: Safe Work New South Wales against the university management for
42:58
Speaker 2: psychological harm to the racism on campus. What are your
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Speaker 2: main allegations against the university leadership.
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Speaker 20: I have to first clarify the sixty. We are a
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Speaker 20: group of sixty people and we meet together and support
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Speaker 20: each other. I can't claim I'm speaking on behalf of
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Speaker 20: all of them and I'm speaking on.
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Speaker 13: Behalf of me.
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Speaker 20: And in some cases you know there are people who
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Speaker 20: are very comfortable that they don't feel comfortable to speak
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Speaker 20: themselves and that I am speaking for them. But I
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Speaker 20: certainly can't claim to be speaking for all of them.
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Speaker 13: It's I think for us or for me.
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Speaker 20: The issue is so I left the university in February,
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Speaker 20: and since then I've continued to be involved and support
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Speaker 20: my colleagues because so many of them don't feel able
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Speaker 20: to speak up for themselves. And so what that's meant
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Speaker 20: is that there've been meetings that we've gone to, there've
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Speaker 20: been letters that we've written, we've written to the media,
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Speaker 20: we've put in claims to safe work, and those things
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Speaker 20: have largely gone in my name because they can't sack me.
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Speaker 13: I've already left.
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Speaker 2: So courageous of you, by the way, to speak out
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Speaker 2: and even to leave your job over it. What did
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Speaker 2: you make of Mark Scott's formal apology at the Senate inquiry?
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Speaker 20: Look, funnily enough, I printed out the page and it
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Speaker 20: was exactly the segment that you aired. And for me,
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Speaker 20: it's the fact that he's saying, if if students have
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Speaker 20: felt unsafe, if they've that's been their lived experience, he
44:23
Speaker 20: has not accepted, as far as I'm concerned, he has
44:26
Speaker 20: not accepted that this is a reality. It's not an if, right,
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Speaker 20: there are people who've been Why does he think people
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Speaker 20: quit the university, leave their jobs, students who choose to
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Speaker 20: transfer to another university. It's not the if I might
44:39
Speaker 20: feel a little bit uncomfortable tomorrow, it's because it is
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Speaker 20: unbearable and it is making me unhappy, and therefore I
44:46
Speaker 20: need to seek and go elsewhere. There's no ifs in there,
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Speaker 20: and he needs to embrace that. My feeling is we've
44:52
Speaker 20: met with him multiple times. We've told him the issues,
44:56
Speaker 20: we've told him the problems.
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Speaker 13: He's known what was going on. It's not an IF
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Speaker 13: and he's done.
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Speaker 3: Wasn't apologetic in those private meetings.
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Speaker 13: No, well, minimally he acknowled it.
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Speaker 3: Resign Now.
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Speaker 20: I think something needs to change. I can't see that
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Speaker 20: Mark Scott is able to make that change. But if
45:15
Speaker 20: the university at large can put systems in place that
45:19
Speaker 20: allow him to do his job, yep, that's what needs
45:22
Speaker 20: to happen. He cannot continue to do what he's been
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Speaker 20: doing for the last eleven months without something changing.
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Speaker 2: And we should point out that actually it was an
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Speaker 2: unsafe environment, not just for Jews, but for all students
45:35
Speaker 2: who had to turn out, particularly when there were his
45:37
Speaker 2: but to REA members on campus carrying flags that were
45:41
Speaker 2: interpreted as terror flags, you know, chanting across campus. Right,
45:46
Speaker 2: Andy Smith, thank you very much for speaking up. Thanks
45:50
Speaker 2: now I'm more to come after the break. Kamala Harris
45:52
Speaker 2: edges ahead of Trump in the latest poll, So what's
45:55
Speaker 2: behind her rise? Plus the latest endorsement for Trump that
45:59
Speaker 2: does have Democrats worried?
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Speaker 3: All that with Koshagada next.
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Speaker 2: Well, celebrities are lining up to sing the praises for
46:10
Speaker 2: Kamala Harris during her interview.
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Speaker 3: With Oprah Winfrey.
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Speaker 13: Have a look.
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Speaker 15: This has been overwhelming to have the privilege to sit
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Speaker 15: in and listen to the testimony of people here. Hello
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Speaker 15: President Paris.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, kind of going from a stop Trump mode into
46:32
Speaker 8: a go Kamala mode.
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Speaker 1: People starting to you know, really hear what you are about.
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Speaker 17: I just want to I want to bring my daughters
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Speaker 17: to the White House to meet this black woman president.
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Speaker 2: Sky News contributor Koshagada joins us now Kosher, So Kamal
46:51
Speaker 2: has now got the endorsement of Taylor Swift, Meryl Streep, Oprah.
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Speaker 2: But most voters don't necessarily follow what Hollywood stars think,
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Speaker 2: do they?
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Speaker 21: They do not. It comes across as a little bit
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Speaker 21: I think out of touch.
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Speaker 3: Shari.
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Speaker 21: What this election from an issue set perspective is all about,
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Speaker 21: as you know, is the economy, inflation, price at the
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Speaker 21: gas pomp, food on the table, and security, crime in
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Speaker 21: the border and people coming out of Beverly Hills and
47:21
Speaker 21: wherever they were skyping in from doesn't do anything to
47:25
Speaker 21: move the needle in terms of voter's minds on those
47:27
Speaker 21: issues in those states. OPRAH does have a little bit
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Speaker 21: of sway still with suburban women voters, which is a
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Speaker 21: group that Trump typically struggles with. So maybe there's something there,
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Speaker 21: But I don't think the celebrities are going to make
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Speaker 21: one iota.
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Speaker 8: Of a difference.
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Speaker 2: I mean, the contrast between the cost of living crisis
47:42
Speaker 2: being the biggest issue in the United States and you
47:44
Speaker 2: have these multi millionaire celebrities telling people how to vote,
47:48
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think a lot of people in
47:49
Speaker 2: the rost Belts would shake their head at that. Meanwhile,
47:53
Speaker 2: the Democrats have suffered a blow in Michigan. This is
47:56
Speaker 2: obviously a case swing state. The mayor of the Muslim
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Speaker 2: majority city, he has endorsed Trump at Kosher how concerned
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Speaker 2: both of the parties about Michigan.
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Speaker 21: I think this is quite significant. So Michigan for a
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Speaker 21: long time, as it is a key state. Trump won
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Speaker 21: it in twenty sixteen, and that hadn't happened in forty
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Speaker 21: years since Ronald Reagan he wonted versus Hillary Clinton and
48:17
Speaker 21: then lost it narrowly against Biden. So Michigan in many
48:20
Speaker 21: ways as a bell weather state, and it does have
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Speaker 21: a significant Muslim population, and the whole of the war
48:26
Speaker 21: in Israel and Gaza on that issue has been a
48:28
Speaker 21: big fracturing fault line issue in the Democrat Party. She
48:31
Speaker 21: Kama has tried to walk the line with that. But
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Speaker 21: I think this is quite significant because it is showing
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Speaker 21: a little bit of the fracturing of that base in
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Speaker 21: those counties. And if Michigan were to swing the other way,
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Speaker 21: I think that's Aboul's trouble for her.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, donand Tromp meanwhile has rode out running for another
48:45
Speaker 2: election if he does lose in November. But either way, Kosher,
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Speaker 2: the Maga movement will, I mean it has permanently changed
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Speaker 2: the Republican Party.
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Speaker 21: Yes, I think Trump's legacy has been embossed, I would
48:59
Speaker 21: say on the Republican Party, even though understandably at eighty
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Speaker 21: two he probably wouldn't be seeking to do this for
49:04
Speaker 21: what would be a fourth time he has remade the
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Speaker 21: policy platform. He's paid the way for the Maga type
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Speaker 21: people from the Vackramaswami to jd Vance to others, and
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Speaker 21: you know even just the coorts that he appointed the
49:17
Speaker 21: federal judges. They're going to be on the bench for
49:19
Speaker 21: thirty to forty years. And he and Mitch McConnell together
49:22
Speaker 21: reshaping the federal court is another lasting legacy from Trump.
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Speaker 21: So even though he doesn't run personally, I think the
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Speaker 21: Republican Party has forever been changed.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, in daed it has.
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Speaker 2: And of course we are seeing polling that looks like
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Speaker 2: Kamala Harris has stretched her lead against Trump. This is
49:37
Speaker 2: the latest NBC News poll among registered voters at her
49:42
Speaker 2: popularity also surging sixteen points since July. But look, we
49:47
Speaker 2: just don't know yet. I mean, the polls are always
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Speaker 2: up and down. The polls never predicted Trump's win against
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Speaker 2: Hillary Clinton's still a couple of months ago. Koshagada, thank
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Speaker 2: you very much for your time.
49:58
Speaker 3: Tonight.
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Speaker 2: Now tomorrow the show, I've got former Labor Minister Mike Kelly.
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Speaker 2: He's going to be speaking out against Penny Wong and
50:06
Speaker 2: the Labor Party.
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Speaker 3: But right now, here's Paul Murray