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Mega Edition: Jeffrey Epstein And The Unsealed Grand Jury Documents From Florida (Part 4-6) (8/30/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
• 0:03
  Speaker 1: In this episode, we're picking up where we left off
• 0:07
  Speaker 1: with the grand jury documents from Palm Beach. Bella Hovlich, okay,
• 0:12
  Speaker 1: did you discuss with Redacted what happened up in the room? Answer, yes.
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  Speaker 1: Then we got in the back of her truck. At first,
• 0:22
  Speaker 1: we were all like, let's go. Let's go spend our money.
• 0:25
  Speaker 1: Then she was like, oh, what happened? What did you do?
• 0:28
  Speaker 1: How much money did you get? And I was like,
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  Speaker 1: I got 300. And I was like, kind of excited, $ 300.
• 0:33
  Speaker 1: And then she was like, you got 300? What did
• 0:37
  Speaker 1: you have to do with him? And then she told,
• 0:40
  Speaker 1: or I told him, or her what I did. And
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  Speaker 1: then she's like, oh, yeah, I've done that too, blah, blah, blah. And, like,
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  Speaker 1: you could, she was then, she told me, like, what, what, like,
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  Speaker 1: if you do this, it's, you get that. If you
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  Speaker 1: do this, then you get that. And then she was
• 0:56
  Speaker 1: telling me, like, all this stuff. And then I was, like,
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  Speaker 1: laughing about it. Because I was like, yeah, thanks, you know,
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  Speaker 1: for telling me that. I'd have to get my bra.
• 1:05
  Speaker 1: And she's like, oh, sorry. And she's laughing. And then
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  Speaker 1: the other girl starts laughing too. And then we all
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  Speaker 1: laugh together. And then we went to TJ Maxx and
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  Speaker 1: she got a purse. And I didn't spend any of
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  Speaker 1: my money. I kept it in my... I wanted to
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  Speaker 1: spend it, but I didn't want to spend it at
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  Speaker 1: TJ Maxx. I wanted to go to the mall or something.
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  Speaker 1: So then I kept it in my house, like my
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  Speaker 1: purse and stuff. And she gets stopped there by Bella Hovlig.
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  Speaker 1: Let me stop you there. When you're in the car
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  Speaker 1: back with Redacted going back, did you and Redacted discuss
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  Speaker 1: doing this again so you could earn more money? Answer, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Bella Hovlich, okay. Answer, I think. She's cut off again
• 1:42
  Speaker 1: by Bella Hovlich. Then the witness cuts Bella Hovlich off.
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  Speaker 1: We had, she, she didn't plan a like certain date.
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  Speaker 1: She was just like, we didn't like plan this or like, again,
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  Speaker 1: we didn't plan it, plan it. It was just like,
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  Speaker 1: she was like, oh, well, if you ever need money again,
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  Speaker 1: you can always call me and you can come with me.
• 2:00
  Speaker 1: And I said, okay. Bella Hovlich, you don't recall telling
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  Speaker 1: Detective Pagan that you made plans to do this every
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  Speaker 1: Saturday so that you could get rich? Answer, oh yeah, yeah, well,
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't like a plan plan. It was kind of
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  Speaker 1: like an imaginary kind of every Saturday. Like, Bella Hovlich, okay.
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  Speaker 1: And just to interject here, folks, because I can't stop myself,
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  Speaker 1: can you see what Bella Hovlich's doing? Can you see
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  Speaker 1: how Bella Hovlich turned this witness into basically a prostitute,
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  Speaker 1: a little girl? This is what I've been telling you
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  Speaker 1: for how long? everybody's out there yelling about lists and
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  Speaker 1: all the other bullshit, and we've been on target this
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  Speaker 1: whole entire time, while the vast majority of other people
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  Speaker 1: were dicking around with a bunch of stuff that doesn't
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  Speaker 1: even matter in the grand scheme of things. Bella Hovlich,
• 2:44
  Speaker 1: did you go back to Jeffrey Epstein's house to give
• 2:46
  Speaker 1: him other massages? Answer, I did not. Bella Hovlich, okay. Answer,
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  Speaker 1: when I was on the phone with the detective, we
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  Speaker 1: pretended for redacted. because she was on the other line.
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  Speaker 1: We pretended that I was going to go back, but
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  Speaker 1: just so she could say something, but I never did.
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  Speaker 1: Bella Hovlik, okay, so you did a controlled phone call
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  Speaker 1: with Redacted? Answer, uh-huh. Bella Hovlik trying to get her
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  Speaker 1: to make admissions? Answer, uh-huh. Bella Hovlik, is that a yes? Answer, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Bella Hovlik, okay. All right, was there another reason you
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  Speaker 1: sort of didn't go back? That some people might have
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  Speaker 1: found out about it or you were talking about you? Answer. Yeah. Um,
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  Speaker 1: that's what I was going to get to at school. Um,
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  Speaker 1: I had like my best friend and I told her
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  Speaker 1: in dance class cause that's my first period. And that
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  Speaker 1: was my first period class. And like, right. When I
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  Speaker 1: go back to school, I had the $ 300 in my
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  Speaker 1: purse with me. And I told her like, if you
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  Speaker 1: ever want to make 300, you can come with me
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  Speaker 1: and redacted will take you. And I didn't say her name.
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  Speaker 1: I said, like, my friend will take you and all
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  Speaker 1: you have to do is give him a massage and stuff.
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  Speaker 1: And I told her what I did. I didn't tell
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  Speaker 1: her everything. I didn't tell her the vibrator part. I
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  Speaker 1: just left that out. But I told her everything else.
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  Speaker 1: And she kind of laughed and giggled. And she's like, OK,
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  Speaker 1: I'll keep that in mind. And then, um, Bella Hovlik,
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  Speaker 1: who is this person that you told? Answer redacted and redacted. Well,
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  Speaker 1: she was in the conversation, but she's like, didn't say
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  Speaker 1: anything to anybody. Bella Hovlich, redacted? Answer, redacted. She didn't
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  Speaker 1: say anything at first until everybody else found out. And then, well,
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  Speaker 1: after I told redacted, the rest of the day goes by.
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  Speaker 1: And she was telling people and, like, telling everybody in school.
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  Speaker 1: And then I was like, I saw her in my
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  Speaker 1: gym class that same day, and I just confronted her.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, well, why are you telling people? And
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  Speaker 1: that's kind of my business. And I kind of told
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  Speaker 1: you to be nice and not to like go around
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  Speaker 1: telling people you're supposed to be my best friend. And
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  Speaker 1: then she just laughed about it. So then we got
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  Speaker 1: an altercation in the gym room. Bella Hovlich, was that
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  Speaker 1: a fight? Answer, yes. Bella Hovlich, you had a fight. Answer, I,
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  Speaker 1: we got into a fight. And that's when I was
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  Speaker 1: had to go to the principal's office and told the
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  Speaker 1: lady that she why we got into the fight with me.
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  Speaker 1: And I told her why she, why we, got into
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  Speaker 1: the fight. And I kind of, we at first, we both,
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  Speaker 1: kind of lied about why, cuz, or I did. And then,
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  Speaker 1: and then I just told the principal she was spreading
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  Speaker 1: rumors about me. And then redacted, I guess, told the
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  Speaker 1: principal why, like, for real. And so then the principal,
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  Speaker 1: when I had to go in the room, she was like,
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  Speaker 1: let me see in your purse. And I said, why?
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  Speaker 1: And she's like, ask me if I had any money.
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  Speaker 1: And I said, no, I don't have any money on me.
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  Speaker 1: And then she said, like, you don't have to lie.
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  Speaker 1: You're not going to be in trouble. Give me your purse.
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  Speaker 1: And then I gave her my purse and she found
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  Speaker 1: the 300 and she asked me how I got it.
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  Speaker 1: And I said, I worked at Redacted because at the
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  Speaker 1: time I really did work at Redacted. And to this,
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  Speaker 1: she's interrupted by Bela Hovlik. And why'd you lie to
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  Speaker 1: the assistant principal? Witness, cause I didn't think it was
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  Speaker 1: like any of her business. Like, why are we arguing
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  Speaker 1: or anything? And I thought, why would I tell on
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  Speaker 1: myself if she doesn't really know anything? But then she
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  Speaker 1: really did know cause redacted told her. And then she,
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  Speaker 1: after she showed, like after she took my purse and
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  Speaker 1: she looked at the 300 and she didn't believe what
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  Speaker 1: I said, like at all. And I just kept lying and, like, saying, no,
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  Speaker 1: I got it from Redacted. My work, my work. And
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  Speaker 1: then she said, you don't have to lie. I know
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  Speaker 1: what happened. And she called my stepmom. And my stepmom
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  Speaker 1: came to the school. And my stepmom said, like, you
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  Speaker 1: didn't get $ 300 from your paycheck. You're lying. And then
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  Speaker 1: that's when, like, I don't know. Everything kind of came out.
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  Speaker 1: And then I... She's interrupted by Bella Hovlich here. You
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  Speaker 1: didn't tell your parents at first, so did you lie
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  Speaker 1: to them too? Answer. I said I was doing drugs
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  Speaker 1: and I was dealing them like I made up any
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  Speaker 1: kind of lie. I didn't want to tell them what happened. Answer.
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  Speaker 1: Did there come a time when Detective Pagan got some
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  Speaker 1: messages on your phone? Answer from Bella Hovlich from Redacted. Answer. Redacted. Yeah, she. Oh, well,
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  Speaker 1: after that whole thing, my cell phone was taken away.
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  Speaker 1: So she had my cell phone from that day until
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  Speaker 1: I moved to Redacted. And she, like my mom, I
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  Speaker 1: think she still has it, or the court or whatever
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  Speaker 1: has my cell phone. Bella Hovlig, you talked about telling
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  Speaker 1: your mom you were doing drugs or selling drugs? Answer, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I just... Bella Hovlig cuts her off. Which one? Answer, my...
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  Speaker 1: just both. I just kind of... my dad's arguing with me,
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  Speaker 1: and I just kind of told him, well, I'm a
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  Speaker 1: drug dealer. Bella Hovlig, okay, so you've had a problem
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  Speaker 1: with drugs though, haven't you? Answer, I did. Not a problem.
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  Speaker 1: I experimented. Bela Hovlik, didn't your parents actually send you
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  Speaker 1: away to a rehabilitation center because of it? Answer, to
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  Speaker 1: a family help center. Bela Hovlik, okay. Answer, to be
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  Speaker 1: specific or whatever, it was because of that, but it
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  Speaker 1: was also because I had a lot of family, like,
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  Speaker 1: getting along problems. Like, I argued with my parents a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Bela Hovlik, were you doing drugs during the time that
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  Speaker 1: you went to Jeffrey Epstein's house? Answer, no. Well... The only,
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  Speaker 1: the only drug that I did at that time was pot.
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  Speaker 1: Like I smoked it sometimes. I didn't do like drug drugs,
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  Speaker 1: like bad kinds of drugs. Bella Hovlich, do you still
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  Speaker 1: smoke pot? Answer, no. Bella Hovlich, do you have a myspace.com account? Answer, yes,
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  Speaker 1: I have a myspace. Bella Hovlich, oh, there you talk
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  Speaker 1: about doing drugs? Answer, no, I don't talk about it.
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  Speaker 1: There's like, like a little thing where it says create
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  Speaker 1: like your own thingy and it asks questions like a survey.
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  Speaker 1: That's the word I'm looking for. A survey about like,
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  Speaker 1: they just ask questions and it says, have you ever
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  Speaker 1: done drugs? And I said, yeah. Have you? It says,
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  Speaker 1: have you ever done drugs? Bella Hovlik, okay. It asks
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  Speaker 1: a lot of questions about you, right? Answer, yes. But
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  Speaker 1: I also did delete that MySpace and I did a
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  Speaker 1: good one. I, she's cut off by Bella Hovlik, but
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  Speaker 1: she goes on. I deleted it because my parents found out.
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  Speaker 1: Bella Hovlik, so you had one that wasn't real good? Answer, yes.
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  Speaker 1: Bella Hovlik, that you lied about your age on, said
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  Speaker 1: you were 18 on? Answer, no. I didn't say I
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  Speaker 1: was 18. Bella Hovlik, this your account? Answer, no. Bella Hovlik,
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  Speaker 1: here with redacted, female, 18 years old, lives in redacted? Answer, yes,
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  Speaker 1: but I didn't do this one. All mines have, like,
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  Speaker 1: cool things in the back, like mine. I would never
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  Speaker 1: make an ugly one. Bella Hovlik, redacted, do have more fun? Answer, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Bella Hovlich, you're a redacted? Answer, yeah, but, and I
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  Speaker 1: have that X, like those exact same things on my
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  Speaker 1: old one. It had like, not in, what it says
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  Speaker 1: about me, in that little sentence. Bella Hovlich, okay. Answer,
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  Speaker 1: that's not, I didn't make that. Bella Hovlich, so when
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  Speaker 1: you're talking about that survey you answered, it says your
• 9:46
  Speaker 1: choice of alcohol, and you put beer? Answer, yeah. Bella Hovlich,
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  Speaker 1: do you drink beer? Answer, at parties. Bella Hovlich, Okay,
• 9:55
  Speaker 1: it says you have four piercings. Answer, not anymore. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I only, well, I used to have my belly button pierced.
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  Speaker 1: Bella Hovlich, it takes, you have to be 18 in
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  Speaker 1: the state of Florida to have body piercings other than
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  Speaker 1: your ears. How? Answer, my dad. Bella Hovlich, how did
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  Speaker 1: you get those? Answer, my dad took me to get
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  Speaker 1: my belly button pierced for my 14th birthday. Cause, like,
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  Speaker 1: everybody was getting one, so I begged for it. And
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  Speaker 1: then I just got my nose pierced, so... Bella Hovlich,
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  Speaker 1: did you have to provide identification for your nose just
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  Speaker 1: to prove you were 18? Answer, no, my dad, my
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  Speaker 1: dad let me. Bella Hovlich, your dad, okay. So you
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  Speaker 1: didn't have false identification at that time? Answer, no. Bella Hovlich, okay,
• 10:36
  Speaker 1: so you said yes to drinking and smoking, smoking pot? Answer, yeah.
• 10:40
  Speaker 1: Bella Hovlich, there's a question, do you shoplift? Do you
• 10:43
  Speaker 1: recall what you put for that? Answer, I did. Bella Hovlik,
• 10:47
  Speaker 1: what did you shoplift? Answer, like, a couple of times.
• 10:51
  Speaker 1: Bella Hovlik, do you recall putting lots of times on
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  Speaker 1: your site? Answer, maybe. This was a long time ago, so...
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  Speaker 1: Bella Hovlik, okay, you reported an income of $ 250, 000. Answer,
• 11:02
  Speaker 1: as a joke. Bella Hovlik, on that site? Answer, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's a joke. Like, all my friends do that. Because
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of funny and random and stupid. Bella Hovlik, okay,
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  Speaker 1: so it's not that you're making money elsewhere. Answer, no,
• 11:15
  Speaker 1: it She's interrupted by Bella Hovlich doing similar activity. Answer.
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  Speaker 1: It was just kind of stupid. It's like a joke.
• 11:24
  Speaker 1: Bella Hovlich. Okay. Did you ever make arrangements with redacted
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  Speaker 1: to go back to Jeffrey Epstein's house in April of 2005? Answer.
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  Speaker 1: Not when I was with her. Maybe on a phone
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  Speaker 1: conversation like with the detective, but not ever when I
• 11:38
  Speaker 1: was with her. Question from Bella Hovlich. Did you ever
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  Speaker 1: talk to redacted about going back in April of 2005? Answer. Answer,
• 11:47
  Speaker 1: I really don't think so. Bela Hovlik, okay, all right.
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  Speaker 1: At this point, I'm going to ask the grand jurors
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  Speaker 1: if they have any questions for you. Answer, okay. All right,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to wrap up this episode right here. And
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  Speaker 1: in the next episode, we're going to pick up with
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  Speaker 1: the grand jurors and their line of questioning. All of
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  Speaker 1: the information that goes with this episode can be found
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  Speaker 1: in the description box. What's up everyone and welcome back
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  Speaker 1: to the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode we're picking up
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  Speaker 1: where we left off with the Jeffrey Epstein grand jury
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  Speaker 1: documents from Palm Beach. Juror, where do you live now? Witness,
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  Speaker 1: I live in Redacted. Juror, where? Witness, Redacted. Juror, did
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  Speaker 1: you say that before you lived up in Redacted? Witness, yes,
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  Speaker 1: I moved to Redacted in July with my mother. Bella
• 12:35
  Speaker 1: Hovlik interjects, your mother... Your stepmother and your father sent
• 12:38
  Speaker 1: you up there to get away from the activities down here? Witness? No,
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  Speaker 1: I moved with my mom. When I was with my dad,
• 12:45
  Speaker 1: like after this all happened, my mom and dad were
• 12:48
  Speaker 1: arguing and I didn't like my dad anymore. And I
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: just felt like living back with my mom. So then
• 12:53
  Speaker 1: I moved in with my mom. And that's when I
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  Speaker 1: went to the family center. Like redacted is what it's called.
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  Speaker 1: And then after that, my mom had planned on moving
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  Speaker 1: to redacted. She's been planning for like two years before
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  Speaker 1: any of this happened. And then they finally found a
• 13:07
  Speaker 1: house and redacted. So we moved and I move with them. Juror,
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  Speaker 1: do you have any idea deep down inside of you
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  Speaker 1: that you what you're doing is wrong? Witness. Yeah, I did. Juror. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: do you have you witness? Oh, I cut off by
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  Speaker 1: the juror. Have you set the goals of to not
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  Speaker 1: do it anymore? Witness. Yes, I don't. I haven't talked
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  Speaker 1: to any of those people since that day. Juror, and
• 13:32
  Speaker 1: you're well aware that what you're doing to your own reputation.
• 13:36
  Speaker 1: The witness, yes, I do. And this part right here,
• 13:39
  Speaker 1: this exchange, is absolutely wild. Bela Hovlik should be held accountable,
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  Speaker 1: and I mean yesterday. Bela Hovlik, you aware that you
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  Speaker 1: committed a crime? Witness, now I am. I didn't know
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  Speaker 1: it was a crime when I was doing it. Like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Now I guess it's prostitution or something
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  Speaker 1: like that. Let's be very, very clear, okay? A child
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  Speaker 1: can't be a prostitute. So this whole entire line of questioning,
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  Speaker 1: this whole entire bullshit nonsense that we see from Bella
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: Hovlich is nothing but garbage. And she's doing this to
• 14:11
  Speaker 1: protect Jeffrey Epstein. Does anyone have any doubt? And now
• 14:14
  Speaker 1: especially go back and think about the NPA document that
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: we read and how much bullshit that was. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the OIG didn't find anything wrong with any of this.
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: Give me a break. It was all to protect their asset,
• 14:26
  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein. And by the way, he wasn't Mossad, okay?
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: Go and stuff that bullshit too. The dude was an asset.
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: That means he was a free agent working for intelligence
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: agencies all over the place, including the Mossad, but he
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: wasn't a Mossad agent. Get that through your skulls. Bela Havlik,
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  Speaker 1: any other questions? The juror, one more. You said you
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: worked at Redacted. You were 14, you were working at Redacted? Witness, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: In Redacted, that's when they, like, first let you work,
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  Speaker 1: when you're 14. Juror, okay, now your work, you're living
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: back now with your father in the meantime? The witness,
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: no audible response. Miss Belahovlik, anybody else in the front row?
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: Second row, yes, sir. Juror, um, you kept saying Jeffrey's assistant.
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: Do you know her name? Witness, no, I know that
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: she has blonde hair, that she was tall and skinny.
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: I don't remember her name. Juror, okay. Belahovlik, yes, sir,
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: in the back row. Juror, yes. Miss Redacted, did you
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: ever go back to Mr. Epstein's on your own? The witness, no, sir,
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: I didn't. Juror, Did he ever contact you with your
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: cell phone? He never called you, the witness? No, because
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: I got my phone taken away. Like, the juror interrupts her,
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: did you? Witness interrupts the juror right back, right when
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: I was in trouble. Juror, did you ever feel that
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: his behavior was a little strange? Witness, that's what we
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: all joked about in the car. Juror, yeah, but did
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: it ever occur to you that he could have hacked
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: you up? Witness, I now think about it, and a
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: lot of things could have happened. I thought about it
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: a lot, and a lot, juror, should give it a
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: little further thought. Witness, different things could have happened. Bela Hovlik,
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  Speaker 1: any other questions for Ms. Redacted? All right, thank you
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: very much. The witness is excused. Now they're calling back
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: Joseph Ricari as a witness. Ms. Dugan, I'll go ahead,
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  Speaker 1: and this is for the record. This is Detective Joe Ricari.
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: I don't need to reswear you in. We'll just remind
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: you that you're under oath. Rakari, okay. Dugan, okay. Belahovlik.
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: Detective Rakari, let's go back to the investigation before you
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: took over. It's still Detective Pagan. There's mention in her
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: report of trash pools. What's a trash pool? Answer, a
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: trash pull is when you make arrangements with the supervisor
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: of sanitation to have the trash man go onto the property,
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: remove the trash, and place it in the empty well
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: of a trash truck, and you follow him to a
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: different location, then you retrieve the bags from the truck.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: Bella Hovlich, how is it that you can take things
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: off someone's property without a search warrant in that way?
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: Is it permissible because it's been discarded? Answer, it's discarded.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: It's trash. It was in the truck. We just take
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: possession of it from the truck. Bella Hovlich, okay. April 1st, 2005.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: Was there a trash pull at Jeffrey Epstein's house? Answer, correct.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: Bella Hovlich, okay. Do you know what was found when
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: they examined the trash from his house? Answer, several messages
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: with phone numbers written on it with girls' names and
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: different messages. Question, did any of the messages that you've
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: had a chance to look at talk about any of
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: the girls you found out through your investigation had gone
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: to Jeffrey Epstein's house? Answer, that's correct. The names and
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: phone numbers were of girls that have gone to the
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: house and left little messages. I have girls for them.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: You know, for a good time, call me type of thing.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: Bella Hovlik, okay. Was there a message indicating that Redacted
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: had an appointment in April? Answer, yes. Bella Hovlik, and
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: what time did Redacted have an appointment in April? Answer,
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: 11 a.m. Bella Hovlik, okay. Do you know if Detective
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: Pagan had taken voicemails from Redacted's phone where Redacted was
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: confirmed meeting with Redacted? Answer, right. Bella Hovlich, to go
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: there at 11. Answer, there were controlled phone calls between Redacted,
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: was making phone calls to Redacted for us as part
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: of the investigation. Redacted made the appointment to bring Redacted
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: over at 11 a.m. for April 1st. Bella Hovlich, but
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: Redacted never went there? Answer, no. Bella Hovlich, okay. Now,
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: were there any messages indicating that someone named Redacted, or
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: someone named Redacted, has appointments to go to Mr. Epstein's house? Answer, yeah.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: There were several mentions of redacted and redacted. Belahovlik, were
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: you able to identify who redacted and redacted were? Answer, yes,
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: I did. Later on in the investigation, we discovered that
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: redacted was actually redacted redacted, another redacted school student who
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: still attends. And redacted was the other girl that was
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: frequenting Epstein's home. Belahovlik, how old was redacted at that time? Answer,
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: I believe she was 16. Bella Hovlich, and how well
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: was redacted? Answer, redacted. Through the investigation, I found out
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: she started going to the house when she was 16,
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: or had just turned 16. Bella Hovlich, and how long
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: of a time did she continue to go there? Answer,
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: till she turned 18. Bella Hovlich, okay, was there a
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: trash pull on September 21st of 2005? I guess this
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: is after you've taken over the investigation. Answer, correct. Bella Hovlich, okay,
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: was there a trash pull that day? Answer. Yes. Bella Hovlich.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: Did you find anything interesting in that trash bowl? Answer.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to get to Bella Hovlich. Maybe page 24,
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: 25 of your report. Page 24. Answer. The date was September.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: Bella Hovlich. September 21st. Answer, okay, yes. Bella Hovlik, what
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: did you find in the trash pool? Answer, I had
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: notes with the names redacted with her phone number as
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: well as redacted for a good time call redacted and
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: he's cut off here by Bella Hovlik. Were you able
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: to identify redacted? Answer, yes. Bella Hovlich, who is redacted? Answer,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: redacted is redacted. Bella Hovlich, and what about redacted? Were
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: you able to identify redacted? Answer, yes. Through the investigation,
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: I was able to find out that redacted is actually redacted.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Bella Hovlich, can you spell redacted? Answer, redacted. Bella Hovlich,
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: and how old was she at the time? Answer, 17.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: Bella Hovlich, okay, another trash pull occurred on October 3rd, 2005. Answer, correct. Belahovlik,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: anything interesting found in that trash pool? Answer, October 3rd.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: What page are you on? Belahovlik, page 26. Page 26
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: is a report dictated by Officer Kroll. Answer, Curtis Kroll, correct. Belahovlik, okay. Answer,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: that's why. Belahovlik, in there he indicates in the trash
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: pool they located a hard plastic or clear acrylic stick
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: which was shaped with small ridges. This device is commonly
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: used as a sexual toy, which is inserted into the
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: vagina or anus for stimulation. Was that type of item
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: actually found? Answer, um, the device was actually found. But
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: later on in the search warrant, it was discovered that
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: it was actually the handle of the, he's cut off
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: here by Belahovlik, for the silverware. He goes on to
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: answer for forks, for forks and knives. Belahovlik, okay, so
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: it wasn't something we would call a vibrator or a dildo. Answer, no. Belahovlik, okay,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: it appeared that way to him, but you were able
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: to confirm later it was not. Answer, right. Belahovlik, okay,
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: all right. You are aware from your investigation and talking
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: to Detective Pagan that Redacted said she was initiated into
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: going to Jeffrey Epstein's house by someone named Redacted. Answer, correct. Belahovlik,
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: were you ever able to talk to Redacted? Answer, yes,
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: I did. Belahovlik, when was that? Answer, October 3rd, 2005.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Bella Hovlich, where did that take place? Answer, Sergeant Frick
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: and I went to her house out in Redacted, knocked
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: on the door, and asked her to come back to
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: the station for further questioning, reference this investigation. Bella Hovlich,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: how old was she? Redacted. Answer, Redacted had just graduated
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: from high school from Redacted School. Bella Hovlich, okay, was
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: she a minor at the time or an adult, do
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: you recall? Answer, well, at the time she would have
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: been an adult. Bella Hovlich, when, and to this she's
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: cut off, by Rakari. At the time of the interview.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Bella Hovlich, when you talked to her, okay, did she
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: talk to you that day at her house? Answer, no,
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: she came back with us to the police department for
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: further questioning. Bella Hovlich, she was uncomfortable talking at her house?
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: She told you she wanted to do it somewhere else? Answer, um, no,
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: we just, I wanted to go over the documents that
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: I didn't have with me, with her. Bella Hovlich, okay. Answer,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: at the, then he's cut off again by Bella Hovlich,
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: so when did she come to the police department? Answer,
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: that same day. Bella Hovlich, what did a redacted tell you? Answer,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: during sworn tape statements, she stated that she became in
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: contact with Mr. Jeffrey Epstein when she was 17, when
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: she was approached by a friend with an opportunity to
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: make money. She was taken to Epstein's residence. She was
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: told that she would have to provide a massage and
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: she'd make 200 bucks. She was taken to the house.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: She was introduced to his, Epstein's assistant, by the name
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: of Sarah. Sarah then would escort her upstairs, prepare the
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: room for the massage by putting out the ointments and
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: the different oils. Mr. Epstein came into the room. He
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: demanded she removed her clothing. She did so. She started
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: giving the massage, rubbing his back, his calves, his thighs.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: He turned onto his back, asked her to rub his chest.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: As he did so, he tried to touch her, touch
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: her buttocks. She pulled away. She said, I'm uncomfortable with
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: you touching me. I'll give you the massage, but I'm
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: uncomfortable with you touching me. It was at which time
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: he said, I know you're uncomfortable. If you bring me girls,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: I will pay you to bring me the girls. Bela Hovlik,
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: so he didn't make her do anything she was uncomfortable with?
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Answer right. Bela Hovlik, okay. How did she indicate that
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: she first met anybody that knew Jeffrey Epstein? Answer, she
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: was approached by one of her friends and redacted by
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: the name of redacted, unknown last name. I was never.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: He's interrupted here by Belahovlik. You never. Then he interrupts her,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: able to identify. Belahovlik then says determine. Then he responds
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: who redacted was, who actually took her to Epstein's house
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: and introduced her into the household. Belahovlik, okay, you were
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: able to determine the approximate date when she met this
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: redacted who took her to Epstein's house. Answer, sometime when
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: she turned 17, she told me. Bella Hovlik, okay, so
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: she was 17 when she first went there? Answer, mm-hmm.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Bella Hovlik, all right. When he talked to her about
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: bringing other girls to him, since she's uncomfortable, what was
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: her response to him? Answer, she agreed to bring other
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: girls to him. And he told her, the younger, the better.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: All right, we're going to wrap up this episode here.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: And in the next episode, we're going to pick up
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: where we left off. All of the information that goes
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: with this episode can be found... In the description box.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: In this episode we're picking right up where we left
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: off with the Grand Jerry documents from Palm Beach. She
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: brought a 23 year old to massage him and he
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: told her that she was too old and he wanted
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: someone younger. Knowing that she went to redacted school he
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: recommended that she ask her friends. During the statement, she
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: gave me approximately six names that she can remember that
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: she took to the house that all went to redacted school.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Bella Hovlich, who did redacted tell you she took to
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: the house? Answer, um, redacted, redacted, redacted, redacted, redacted, redacted,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: and the 14-year-old victim redacted. Bella Hovlich, redacted, okay. Did
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: you ask redacted if she told these people what to
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: expect when she took them to Jeffrey Epstein's house? Answer,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: she explained that all the girls knew what was to
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: be expected. The more you did, the more money you made.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: She explained that there was going to be a massage
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: or some possible touching, and you would have to provide
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: the massage either topless or naked. Bella Hovlich, and she
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: told you that she told Redacted that? Answer, she said
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: that she told all the girls that. Bella Hovlich, okay,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: during your conversation with Redacted, did she refer to herself
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: as somebody famous? Answer, on the ride back to her house,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: she stated that when she was, she was like Heidi Fleiss,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: the Hollywood madam that provided girls to clients. Bella Hovlich,
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: did redacted, you may have told me this earlier, and
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: I apologize if I didn't hear it, did redacted undress
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: when she provided the massage? Answer, yes, she provided the
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: massage naked, under the direction of, she, he's interrupted here
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: by Bella Hovlich, not just down to her underwear? Answer, no,
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: I believe it was naked. Bella Hovlich, okay, did, was
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: there any indication of a vibrator like redacted describe with redacted? Answer, no,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: but she was aware of the vibrator. Bella Hovlich, from redacted, answer,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: vibrator slash massager. Bella Hovlich, okay, was redacted paid money,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: did she tell you, for bringing these other girls? Answer, yes.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: Bella Hovlich, how much? Answer, she was paid approximately $ 200
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: for every girl she brought. Bella Hovlich, just one time
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: per girl or every time she brought a girl, did
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: she get another 200? Answer, every time she brought a girl,
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: she got 200. Bella Hovlich, even if it was the
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: same girl over and over? Answer, correct. Bella Hovlich, okay,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: all right. You found the card that says for a
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: good time call redacted. You were able to identify her
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: as redacted? Answer, correct. Bella Hovlich, did you get a
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: statement from redacted? Answer, yes, I did. At that time,
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Redacted was already attending college. She had started Redacted. She
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: stated that nothing inappropriate had occurred originally, and then explained that,
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: you know, he had, Epstein, had tried to touch her
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: on several occasions. Bella Hovlich, did she change her statement
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: at some point to you? Answer, well, originally, she started
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: off saying that nothing had, nothing inappropriate had occurred, further
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: questioning she had changed, that there was additional things that he,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: that had happened. Bela Hovlik, okay, what did she say
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: the additional things were that happened? Answer, there was attempted touching.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: He caressed her buttocks, cheeks. All the while he had
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: introduced the vibrator, but did not. She did not allow
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: a vibrator to be used on her. She described the
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: vibrator having a huge head on the tip of the vibrator,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: white in color. Bela Hovlik, now was this, it progressed
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: in the first time she was there to just massage
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: the touching to vibrator, or were there numerous times she
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: went to his house? Answer, numerous times that she went
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: to his house. This all progressed as more times she
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: came to the house, more things started to occur. Bella Hovlich,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: how many times did she go to Jeffrey Epstein's house? Answer,
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: off the top of my head, aye, she stated that
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: she had been there many times. Bella Hovlich, all right.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: The last known time that she told you was about when?
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Answer was in October, the last time Mr. Epstein was
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: in town, October 3rd or 4th of 2005. Bella Hovlik, okay,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: do you know any of the other girls that say
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: they went to his house after 2005? Answer, no, I
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: don't believe Mr. Epstein has been back. He learned of
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: the investigation in October. Bella Hovlik, okay. Was she paid
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: by Jeffrey Epstein? Answer, yes. Bella Hovlik, do you know
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: how much she was paid? Answer, she was paid between
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: $ 200 and $ 300. Bella Hovlik, each time? Answer, each time
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: that she went. Bella Hovlich, did she get any other
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: compensation other than money from him? Answer, she also received
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: a rental car. Bella Hovlich, okay, were you able to
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: confirm through the rental car that it was rented by Mr.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: Epstein or someone in his employee? Answer, rented by, it
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: was rented by Mr. His Houseman Janice Banasiuk and the
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: credit card of Mr. Epstein. Bella Hovlich, okay, were you
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: able to get a statement from the person you identified
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: as redacted? Answer, that's correct. Bella Hovlich, when did that occur? Answer,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: on October 10th, I had made phone contact with her.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: She was up in Redacted, Florida, and I had explained
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: to her that I was conducting this investigation. Miss Redacted
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: began to cry, explained that she had been to the
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: house hundreds of times, started going at the age of
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: 16 when she was still attending Redacted school, where she
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: was offered to $ 200 for 30 minutes of work. Bella Hovlich,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: how was she introduced to him? Answer, she was taken
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: to him by a friend of hers who also had
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: gone to redacted school, redacted, redacted. Bella Hovlik, okay. Answer,
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: she was taken to the house. She would have to
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: perform this massage naked. Bella Hovlik, she knew that before
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: she went? Answer, that was explained to her by redacted.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Bella Hovlik, okay. What did she describe about the first
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: visit to Jeffrey Epstein's house? Answer, she recalled that the appointment...
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: was set up for that same day. They contacted Mr.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Epstein's assistant, Sarah, later identified as Sarah Kellen, where the
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: appointment was made. She was taken. She remembered it was
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: on the weekends because she only worked on the weekends
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: and she was still going to high school. She was
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: taken upstairs to the master bedroom. She could observe in
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: the spiral staircase up to the bedroom area where there
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: were photographs of naked women throughout the house. Bella Hovlik,
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: adult women? Answer, I believe so. Bella Hovlich, okay, she
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: goes upstairs. What happens upstairs? Answer, she's taken into the room.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: The room is set up. The massage tables are set up.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: Ointments are put out by Sarah Kellen. Epstein enters the
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: room and introduces himself to her. He lays on the
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: massage table and asks her to get comfortable. She stated
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: that she couldn't remember if she provided the massage naked,
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: but knows that she removed, she had, I'm sorry, she
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: had rubbed his legs, thighs, and feet. All during this time,
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Epstein turned on his back so that he could rub
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: his chest and he started to masturbate. Bella Hovlich, okay. Answer,
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: which was another thing. One of the other girls, every
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: time there was a massage, Epstein would masturbate himself. Bella Hovlich,
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: was she able to see his penis or was it
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: under the towel he had come out in? Answer, he
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: had exposed his penis to her, removed the towel, which
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: made it visible. Bella Hovlich, how long did this go on? Answer,
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: she had been to his house over in a two-year
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: period that she stated hundreds of times. Bella Hovlich, I
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: meant the masturbation. Answer, oh, it was for several minutes.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: Bella Hovlich, okay, did he touch her at all that
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: first time? Answer, um, I believe he did use the
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: vibrator on her if I recall. Bella Hovlich, I'm going
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: to direct you to page 39, second full paragraph, halfway down. Okay.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: Bella Hovlich, I believe your report says Epstein touched her breast. Answer, yes.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Bella Hovlich, okay, so at that point, he touched her breast.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: Do you recall? Answer, right. Bella Hovlich, if the vibrator
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: was used that first time, or if it was just
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: the touching? Answer, yes. Bella Hovlich, of her breast? Answer, no,
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: he did touch her breast as he masturbated. Bella Hovlich,
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: was she paid money for the visit? Answer, $ 200. Bella Hovlich,
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: did she go back to his house? Answer, yes, she did.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: Bella Hovlich, and I guess you've told us, for about
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: two years, she went back. Is that a yes? Answer, yes, correct.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: Bella Hovlich, she estimates over a hundred times? Answer, yes,
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: she does. Bella Hovlich, did the situation with Redacted progress? Answer,
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: it did. During the time frame that she was attending there,
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: over the two-year period, she stated that every time she
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: went there, it didn't have to be involving the massage
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: or any kind of sexual encounter. At times she would go,
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  Speaker 1: she would end up just having dinner or talking with Epstein.
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  Speaker 1: At one point, Epstein introduced his other assistant, Nadia Marcinkova.
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  Speaker 1: She explained that he had brought her from Yugoslavia to
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  Speaker 1: the United States to be a sex slave. Belahovlik, were
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  Speaker 1: you able to confirm that? Answer, I know that she
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  Speaker 1: is here on a visa, a modeling visa. Belahovlik, you
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  Speaker 1: don't know the purpose she's here other than that you
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  Speaker 1: were able to contact and confirm the visa? Answer, yes. Belahovlik, okay. Answer,
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  Speaker 1: she's here for a visa. Belahovlik, what did Redacted describe
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  Speaker 1: as the progression of sex acts? Answer, he introduced Nadia
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  Speaker 1: into their routine. Belahovlik, so it became a threesome at
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  Speaker 1: some point? Answer, right. Belahovlik, okay. Answer, he had asked
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  Speaker 1: Redacted to perform oral sex on Nadia. Redacted originally had refused.
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  Speaker 1: He enticed her by giving her additional monies to perform
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  Speaker 1: this act for five minutes. Bella Hovlich, how much additional money? Answer, $ 200,
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  Speaker 1: $ 200 extra. Bella Hovlich, and then she agreed? Answer, at
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  Speaker 1: which point she agreed. Bella Hovlich, okay, was it always
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  Speaker 1: just the masturbating in front of Redacted and sex acts
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  Speaker 1: with Nadia, or were there additional sex acts with Jeff Epstein? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: it was explained that at one point towards the end,
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  Speaker 1: prior to redacted turning 18, or just after, it was,
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  Speaker 1: it had been previously spoken, that there would be no
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  Speaker 1: vaginal penetration by Mr. Epstein. She had stated that Mr.
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  Speaker 1: Epstein had a deformed penis and did not want to
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  Speaker 1: have any kind of intercourse with him. It was after
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  Speaker 1: one of the, where they had purchased sex toys, they
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  Speaker 1: introduced the sex toys with Nadia and redacted, as Epstein
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  Speaker 1: would watch and masturbate on. At one point, he grabbed
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  Speaker 1: Redacted and placed her head onto his lap on the
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  Speaker 1: massage table and inserted his penis into her vagina. Bella Hovlich, okay,
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  Speaker 1: you said they introduced sex toys, purchased sex toys. Who
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  Speaker 1: purchased the sex toys? Answer, Nadia. Bella Hovlich was Redacted
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  Speaker 1: with her when they were purchased? Answer, it is, yes.
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  Speaker 1: Bella Hovlich, okay. Answer, it was for Epstein's. Bella Hovlich interrupts,
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  Speaker 1: so Redacted and Nadia went to purchase the sex toys? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: for Epstein's birthday, correct. Bela Hovlik, okay, and during that
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  Speaker 1: time that he penetrated her vagina, she was either 17
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  Speaker 1: or 18, you're not clear which? Answer, right. Bela Hovlik, okay. Answer,
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  Speaker 1: it was, this was towards the end, because after that
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  Speaker 1: she stopped going to his residence, his house. Bela Hovlik,
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  Speaker 1: how many, okay, a hundred times, did she indicate how
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  Speaker 1: much money she made during this two-year period that she
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  Speaker 1: was going to see him? Answer, well, she received between
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  Speaker 1: $ 200 and $ 1, 000. Bella Hovlich, each time, answer each time
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  Speaker 1: that she went. The day that he forcibly entered himself
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  Speaker 1: into her, he paid her $ 1, 000. Also, she had received
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  Speaker 1: a rental car from Dollar Rental Car, a blue Dodge
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  Speaker 1: Neon that the previous houseman had rented for her. Bella Hovlich,
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  Speaker 1: did she ever make a report of sexual battery after
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  Speaker 1: what she told you about him inserting his penis inside
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  Speaker 1: of her? Answer, what do you mean sexual battery? Bella Hovlich,
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  Speaker 1: did she at the time that he forced his penis
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  Speaker 1: inside of her, you said, Answer, oh, at that. Then
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  Speaker 1: he's interrupted by Bella Hovlich. Did she make? Then she's
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  Speaker 1: interrupted by him. The day that it occurred? No. Bella Hovlich,
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  Speaker 1: did she make? Did she call and say? He interrupts
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  Speaker 1: Bella Hovlich here. No, the day it occurred. No, she
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  Speaker 1: did not. Bella Hovlich, that day she took $ 1, 000. Let's
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  Speaker 1: say it's only $ 200 for 100 times. We're talking about
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  Speaker 1: a lot of money she's got at a minimum plus
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  Speaker 1: a car. Is that a yes? Answer, yes. Bella Hovlich, okay.
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  Speaker 1: Did you ask her what she did with all that money? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: I did ask her, and she didn't want to tell me.
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  Speaker 1: Bella Hovlich, what'd she say? Answer, she said that that
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  Speaker 1: was too personal. Bella Hovlich, after you just described all
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  Speaker 1: these sex acts to you. Okay. Did you interview somebody
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  Speaker 1: named Redacted? Answer, yes, I did. Bella Hovlich, who is Redacted? Answer, um,
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  Speaker 1: Bella Hovlich, page 51. Answer, thank you. Okay, November 4th.
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  Speaker 1: She provided a sworn statement that she had been taken
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  Speaker 1: to Epstein's house by the redacted friend from redacted school.
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  Speaker 1: Bella Hovlich, this is the same person that took redacted? Answer, correct.
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  Speaker 1: Bella Hovlich, okay. Answer, she was told as well that
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  Speaker 1: she would have to provide the massage and would be
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  Speaker 1: paid $ 300 for the massage. Bella Hovlich, how old was
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  Speaker 1: she at the time? Answer, 17, I believe. Bella Hovlich, okay.
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  Speaker 1: What did she describe happening? When she went there the
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  Speaker 1: first time. Answer. She was taken to the house and
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  Speaker 1: introduced to Epstein's assistant. Pretty much. Then he's interrupted here
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  Speaker 1: by Belahovlik. Which one? Nadia or Sarah? Answer. Sarah. Belahovlik. Okay. Answer.
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  Speaker 1: It was pretty much consistent with all the girls. They
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  Speaker 1: would be introduced to the assistant who would then lead
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  Speaker 1: her upstairs and prepare the room for the massage in
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  Speaker 1: the master bathroom area. She would lay, put a blanket
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  Speaker 1: over the massage tables, and provide the ointments that Mr.
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  Speaker 1: Epstein would like to have used. She rubbed his calves
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  Speaker 1: and his back area and was paid $ 300 for his services.
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  Speaker 1: Bella Hovlich was at a one-time thing with Redacted, or
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  Speaker 1: did she go back? Answer, she stated she had gone
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  Speaker 1: back four or five times. Bella Hovlich, similar acts each
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  Speaker 1: time she went back? Answer, correct. Bella Hovlich, similar amounts
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  Speaker 1: of money each time? Answer, it started to escalate. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: each time that she went, further things started to happen.
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  Speaker 1: It was the same monies, though, provided. Bella Hovlich, okay,
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  Speaker 1: so the sex acts became more involved? Answer, correct. All right,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to wrap up this episode here. And in
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  Speaker 1: the next episode, dealing with the topic, we'll pick up
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  Speaker 1: where we left off. All of the information that goes
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