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Barbie · The Art of Costume Podcast

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  Ryan Gosling came up with the idea for Ken branded underwear
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  for his character, the detail that went viral.
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  When the film's marketing dropped.
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  We just rushed to make it. I somehow just now realized that
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  it says Ken and not Calvin Klein.
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  I did not notice that until now. You didn't know?
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  That No, because it looks like you said it looks just like a
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  Calvin Klein ad. Hello and welcome to the Art of
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  Costume podcast. I'm Elizabeth Joy Glass.
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  And I'm just Ken. You can also call me Spencer
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  Williams. Hi, Ken.
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  Hey, Barbie. Hi, how are you?
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  I am doing good. It's so good to see you.
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  Happy Season 4. Happy Season 4.
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  Happy, Happy New Year, honestly. Right.
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  It's been a minute. It has been a minute since we've
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  seen each other. I mean, we did that fun little
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  bloopers episode, but honestly, I barely remember that.
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  I was so jet lagged. But I think it's fun.
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  That that was like in between Christmas and New Year's.
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  Right. That's like that weird void week
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  that no one ever remembers or knows what they're doing.
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  It's like, was I in a coma? Did I work?
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  Did I not work? Did I take that week off?
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  What did I do? So how was your vacation?
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  What have you been up to? But it was pretty good.
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  Got some costume design jobs coming up, so that's exciting
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  for me. I'm very excited.
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  And then I've just been like planning renovations.
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  It was like I thought, I've been doing a lot of that, getting a
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  lot of paint chips and trying to convince myself that painting
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  things black is a good idea. Well, I will just say from
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  experience it's always a good idea.
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  Thank you. Thank you.
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  I've had some pushback that made me like think twice about it.
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  So thank you. Don't.
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  Listen to them. Black is always the way to go.
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  How about you? How are things going over in
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  California? It's been good.
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  You know, 2023 was a year to put in A to be short about it.
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  Yeah. So starting this year, I just
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  really wanted to focus on just taking care of myself, trying to
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  get some sleep, relaxing. I have been on the couch being a
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  real potato, watching all the things I mean first.
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  I finished all of my mafia movies, so I love them all.
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  So good I started watching Naked attraction, which probably isn't
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  good for my brain, but I'm addicted.
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  Oh my gosh. And Elizabeth, I have been
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  watching the Gilded Age and let me just tell you, is controlling
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  my personality in ways that are probably not good for my 2024
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  goals. And I'm loving every second of
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  it. Like Spencer, you need to finish
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  this. The ending was so far.
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  Oh, I can't. I can't.
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  I yeah, I after I watch that, 'cause I have a bunch of fabric
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  I like, need to get through. I need to get through it.
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  This year it's a problem. And there's a company who runs
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  like fantasy balls up in New York City and I was like 1880s,
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  eighteen, 90s, Gilded Age costume.
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  Let me see how much the tickets are.
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  Bertha Russell over here. It is just so good and we will
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  be talking about it in a future episode.
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  We just have to. Also, this might be surprising
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  to you and everyone listening, but I've become AI feel like
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  Ken, who's travelled to the real world a little bit and was
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  figuring out things about life they actually enjoys.
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  I've been watching basketball like pretty religiously.
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  Tuesdays, Thursdays and I don't know if it's Sunday.
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  I'm not. I'm not sure.
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  But I I carve out time on my schedule to sit on the couch and
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  have a beer and watch NBA basketball.
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  So. I'll I'll be honest, I've been
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  doing that with football a bit, oh.
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  OK. 'Cause and it's like, I'm, I'm,
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  I'm watching it with my dad. And he really enjoys it when I
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  do that. So I'm like, OK And like the
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  longer you sit and watch, the more you're like, oh, this is
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  interesting. Yeah, like I get it.
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  I don't fully get it, but I'm starting to understand.
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  I love the aggressive nature of saying they're yelling at the TV
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  while shoveling food into your mouth and drinking.
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  Right, right. And my dad, so my dad's a
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  Phillies fan, so the Eagles is his whole thing.
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  That seems like one of those loud teams in a complimentary
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  way. Yeah, 'cause my dad, my dad,
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  born and raised in Philadelphia and it's like his inner, like
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  Philadelphian like, comes to the forefront of his personality.
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  Whenever the. Eagles are playing.
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  It's really funny. Does your dad have a good, like,
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  Philadelphia accent? Yes, yes, yes and no.
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  When he's around other people from Philadelphia, absolutely.
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  Okay. Like in the because my daddy's
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  actually like he can be a pretty quiet guy.
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  But when you get him around people, especially people from
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  Philly, he's like he he he he's like right back in it, in it.
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  I love it. Well, I live in LA, obviously,
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  so I've been rooting for the Lakers.
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  Nice. Nice, you know.
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  What I was thinking of was our our Space Jam episode that we
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  did three years ago. Yeah.
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  Because. So many of the stars of Space
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  Jam, LeBron, Anthony Davis, they're all still playing for
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  the Lakers. So I'm like, Oh my gosh, I
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  remember him from Space Jam 2A new a new legacy.
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  Oh my gosh. I saw that on HBO today.
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  As I was like, scrolling through, I was like, should I
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  watch Space Jam again? That's always good.
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  If Space Jam only has two fans in the world, it's Elizabeth
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  and. I It is like we've talked about
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  Space Jam, I think at least once every season.
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  Yeah, shout out. Well, Elizabeth, I am very
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  excited for our season four premiere because we are doing 2
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  very fun and exciting things this week.
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  We have an episode coming out. Well, obviously today because
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  you're listening to it, and one in two days on Thursday because
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  why Elizabeth? Because something magical
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  happened this summer, Spencer, a little mega cinema event called
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  Barbenheimer. Yeah, then it was crazy.
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  I mean, it took over the world. It did.
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  It absolutely did. So many people dressed up.
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  I dressed up to go see Barbie like I bought a dress to go see
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  this movie. Hoodie.
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  She has Barbies around her like this is her moment.
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  This is her summer. She was ready.
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  Oh my gosh. It this was my moment.
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  This was my summer. If it hasn't been obvious, we're
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  watching Barbie this week, this episode.
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  All about Barbie. Thursday.
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  All about Oppenheimer. So.
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  Barbie I'm a Barbie girlie. I love Barbie.
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  I loved Barbie growing up. I collected Barbies.
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  I played with Barbies for way too long.
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  Like before I realized like I could like sit down at my
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  computer and like write out a story or like design something.
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  Like I had the skills to sew and design something that was in my
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  head. Guess how I got all that
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  creative energy out with Barbies?
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  My Barbies had very complex lives.
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  They went on many adventures. It was fabulous, this.
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  Is giving me so much life right now.
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  I I feel like it was a few months ago when we were still
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  doing Season 3 and we were, we were talking about doing because
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  we were going to do Barbie last summer and you know, but then
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  the strikes came down, so we decided to push it back.
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  And I remember right after we saw the movie and Elizabeth was
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  like going through her like inventory of Barbie dolls.
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  And I I did not see this coming. I don't know how, but I just for
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  some reason never pictured you as a Barbie girl.
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  But here we are. Oh, absolutely.
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  Do you want to know what I found in my inventory?
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  I do. Uh oh, here it comes.
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  So I found Midge. Yeah.
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  The discontinued pregnant Barbie, Mitch.
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  This is so cool. She has all her original hair,
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  her original dress. It's a little she's well played
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  with. She's not a weird Barbie, but
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  she's well played with. She looks like she's doing good.
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  Good for her. She looks like she just bought
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  this outfit yesterday. Exactly.
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  The magnet stomach still works so.
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  It's a It's magnetic. Yes, you can like.
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  Oh no, you take it off. We'll have to blur this part if
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  Tyga. You take it off, she's a normal
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  Barbie and then there's like a stomach with a baby, hence why
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  it was discontinued. That is insane.
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  I got. This like a birthday gift.
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  That's even more weird. I was stoked.
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  I was like, Oh my gosh, this Barbie can actually be pregnant.
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  Great dramatic storylines. Yeah.
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  Very, very, very cool. I never.
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  That was why I loved the Barbie so much.
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  The Barbie movie so much. Because I, I mean, never played
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  with, I would for some reason played with Polly Pockets.
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  My neighbors just because love a good Polly Pocket.
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  Yeah, I I honestly can't explain why.
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  We should probably do like a deep dive on that.
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  But yeah, I did not know that there was all these different,
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  like I should have guessed, all these different Barbies with
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  questionable storylines. Yeah, I had so many accessories.
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  I was lucky. I had two houses, an airplane, a
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  little like BMW buggy and a camper for my Barbies 'cause
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  that's all people would get me as gifts growing up.
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  I like I almost exclusively got Barbie gifts.
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  Wow. Wild times, man.
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  Yeah man, this is the best day ever and I should Let me clarify
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  the record. I didn't play with Polly
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  pockets. My neighbor had them and I was
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  game ready to become a fashion design major in a few years.
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  I was observing their outfits. Hey, I mean Polly pockets were
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  cool too, Especially Polly pockets when we were growing up
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  because they made them like 3 inches tall and had all the
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  plastic clothes because. Yeah, the rubber.
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  Thing Yeah. Yeah, and I used to always rip
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  them because I was way too aggressive with trying to Oh
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  yeah, quickly. It was.
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  It was not a great concept. In retrospect, anyways.
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  Anyway. Elizabeth, you have so many
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  great behind the costume facts this week.
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  I think we just gotta get into it, 'cause we're gonna be here
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  all day at this week. We do.
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  There's too many. Spencer, give us a summary.
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  OK, this is probably a very short summary for such an
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  incredible, soon to be costume nominated film, but Barbie and
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  Ken are having the time of their lives and the colorful and
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  seemingly perfect world of Barbie Land.
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  However, when they get a chance to go to the real world, they
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  soon discover the joys and perils of living among humans,
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  and that is Barbie. That is Barbie.
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  If you haven't seen Barbie, go watch Barbie.
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  I don't believe that you haven't seen Barbie.
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  You know, it's just like, at this rate, if you didn't see
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  Barbie, you were. You were.
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  Yeah. What were you doing?
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  Oh. Yeah, like you missed out.
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  Love it. Or hate it, you missed.
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  Out, yeah. And it's very exciting.
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  It's plastered literally all over.
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  They're like, hey, did you see where the Barbie movie, The
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  Barbie movie, It's right here, right here.
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  You know, let's. Do this.
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  Going behind the costumes, we have director Greta Gerwig and
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  costume designer Jacqueline Duran.
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  You all know her work from Pride and Prejudice movie from 2005,
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  where she received an Oscar nomination.
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  Atonement another Oscar nomination.
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  Nanny McPhee returns. Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy Anna
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  Karenina, for which she got an Oscar win.
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  Mr. Turner Another Oscar nomination.
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  Beauty and the Beast Oscar nomination.
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  Darkest Hour Oscar nomination 1917.
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  Little Women from 2019, which got her another Oscar win.
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  Cyrano from 2021, Spencer and the Batman.
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  Talk about a busy lady. I love that she did The Batman.
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  Because remember, when Spencer came out, that was like our
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  season. I don't know, two premiere,
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  maybe? Yeah 2 and she did like Spencer
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  and the Batman came out the same time and it was announced she
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  was doing Barbie as look at the range.
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  From like the darkest dark to the brightest, happiest
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  possible. Right.
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  Also, let's all be real. There's absolutely no
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  possibility in this universe that Jacqueline Duran is not
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  about to be nominated for another Academy Award.
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  It's just that's just very definite.
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  And, like, there were so many good movies this past year.
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  Like, like, I'm like, I don't know who's going to win this
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  year. There's usually I'm like, oh,
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  this person or that. Like this year I'm like, I don't
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  know, but like, if this isn't even nominated, that'd be
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  shocking. But diving into Barbie, Harper's
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  Bazaar talked to Jacqueline Durant about how they approached
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  Barbie for the Barbie movie, she said.
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  I hadn't really ever thought about that simple fact that
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  dolls had always been babies before Barbie came out in 1959.
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  Girls are for. We're always mothering them.
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  And suddenly Barbie, it wasn't about that.
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  It was about imagining doing something.
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  The doll was the representation of what you could achieve, which
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  is amazing. I had never thought about Barbie
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  like that. I tend not to think of her as an
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  Emancipator, which is kind of how Greta Gerwig was approaching
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  Barbie in this movie. So they still wanted to keep a
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  very toy like and Jacqueline told The Rap I wanted to make it
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  multi dimensional so that you could look at it as a child.
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  The child would just enjoy it from a point of view of colours,
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  but there was something else going on if you wanted to look
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  at it deeper, which is so true. About this.
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  Movie. It's like you.
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  Could look at it as like a young kid and be like, wow, like
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  that's Barbie, look all of her colors.
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  But then if you're a costumer like us, we're like, look at the
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  subtle, like storytelling that's happening in Barbie right now as
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  she's like going into like, this deep dive of, you know,
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  depression and feelings. Yes.
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  And like, how do you find yourself?
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  What does that mean? Yeah, and one of the shocking
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  things I found out for Barbie World was they had a very
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  specific color palette consisting of two pinks, bright
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  and light blue, lavender, orange, green, yellow and beige
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  to create this childlike imagery, she told the credits.
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  You couldn't put a costume together if it wasn't in that
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  combination. It was hard because that meant
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  you couldn't buy anything. We basically had to print all
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  the textiles, like all the fabrics for the beach, costumes
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  and these color combinations. I felt this was the only way to
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  keep a lid on having the film be bright while also trying all
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  trying it all together underneath.
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  Which is so true 'cause there's so much color you can't just
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  like throw whatever up there and hope it works.
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  And having to print all the textiles, that's so much extra
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  effort too, which obviously paid off of course, but like just
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  the, that process just extends everything.
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  Absolutely, especially because every Barbie, every Ken had a
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  change for pretty much every scene, she told the credits.
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  When I realized that every scene had a costume change, I nearly
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  had a nervous breakdown. And not just one character.
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  All the Barbies, all the Ken's. Do you want to know something
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  even more nerve wracking Spencer?
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  They only had 11 weeks for prep, so the costume creation went
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  into filming. Oh my gosh, that's so scary.
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  Isn't that terrifying? And and one thing I want to
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  point out from the costume design department are there are
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  such beautiful illustrations for the Barbie movie.
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  Look up costume illustrator Richard Merritt.
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  His illustrations for Jacqueline Durant's costumes are
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  extraordinary. I love Richard Merritt's
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  illustrations. He is an incredible illustrator.
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  I am on his Instagram all the time for whatever he posts
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  'cause he also obviously works on other films too.
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  Every single illustration is banger after banger after
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  banger, so shout out to Richard. Yeah, they're incredible.
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  And after this break, we will jump into the Barbie movie.
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  Let's do it. Spencer, Are you ready to jump
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  into the dawn of Barbie? Let's do it.
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  I'm I'm ready to have a total beach off right now.
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  Yeah, absolutely. Especially because Barbie is
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  very much presented as a monument, especially in this
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  opening that pays homage to Kubrick's 2001 A Space Odyssey.
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  With all the little girls just playing mom in the middle of the
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  desert, which is the. Funniest thing ever.
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  I I was hooked at this very first scene.
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  I was like, OK, I'm going to love this movie because it
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  already was blowing my mind. It's just so crazy to me that we
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  were having little girls playing with dolls that were babies.
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  That's fact still blows my mind. A lot of people are talking
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  about how maybe the storyline to this movie was basic.
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  So sometimes basic is OK because even that basic fact rocked my
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  entire world about two minutes into this movie.
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  So. Yeah, like it.
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  That's really all little girls had for like, all of time was
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  baby dolls. Insanity.
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  But let's talk about Barbie's look, though.
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  I mean. Yes.
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  So Jackman talked to the credits about this iconic opening
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  costume. She said the swimsuit was always
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  going to be the starting point because it tied into the whole
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  Kubrick monolith thing. And in a way it gave me my route
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  into the movie. We had archival Barbie from
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  different periods that we reproduced as exactly as we
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  could. Then we moved on to more fluid
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  approach developing, delving repeatedly into the late 70s and
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  80s until we get to the finale, which is pretty much
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  contemporary. And this is like Barbie's first
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  look, this swimsuit. And it is.
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  It's so iconic. I have a reproduction of it.
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  Yeah. Look at that in the background.
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  Like when you think of vintage Barbie like this is what you
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  think of. And one thing I learned watching
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  'cause they have extras on Macs, She wore wigs throughout this
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  entire movie, which shocked me, 'cause they look so good, but
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  they even like for this scene, the wig, to match the whole look
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  they're recreating. They got like the same like
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  yellow hair color as the original doll and it's wild, but
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  it really does set you up for Barbie who is just living her
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  best life, which like I never would, wouldn't leave Barbie
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  world if that's where I live. It's.
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  Stereotypical Barbie played by the one and only Margot Robbie.
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  I mean, just what a performance that is so good and I was just
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  blown away at those first scenes in Barbieland.
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  Just the fact that this was such a it was a practical set so
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  everything you see is built and so transformative and immersive
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  it it still blows my mind. It is such a feat that they
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  create all this and the the colors just every time.
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  It's so good. It is so incredible and
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  Jacqueline had to kind of approach the character of Barbie
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  a little bit differently, especially for these scenes, she
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  told People. When you do a costume, you often
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  try and work out the character of a of the person that's
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  wearing them and what they do. But the character of Barbie is
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  really the history of Barbie. If you try to delve into her
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  back story, it would be how she'd look over decades.
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  It's the way we chose to do it, which they do kind of have this
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  just like amalgamation of like Barbie throughout the decades
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  that fits really well into her costumes.
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  It's very subtle too. Like if if you're someone like
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  me who maybe doesn't, doesn't really know the history of all
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  Barbies costumes or looks, it's very subtle, but it's really fun
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  to like, look up each look and be like, oh, that was Superstar
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  Barbie or whatnot. It's very subtle and I love that
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  because it just blends so naturally into the film.
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  Of course. And like especially this, this
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  first or perfect day, it's like, it's so like 196070 Barbie.
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  Yeah, but like it still looks like you could walk out in this
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  today. Like I'd wear that bathing suit
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  to the beach, like. Yeah, it's it's very picnic to
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  me, which I love it because that screams like perfect days.
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  Say not in the sun on like a little picnic blanket and having
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  some sandwiches. I don't know.
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  Yeah, just enjoying life. Yeah, I don't know how you
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  picnic, but that's what I imagine just eating sandwiches.
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  I think that is the general idea, general idea.
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  I've also heard of wine on picnics.
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  Picnics. A lot, which?
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  Well, yeah. Always a great addition.
• 24:14
  Right. Another major component, though,
• 24:19
  of Margot Robbie's stereotypical Barbie wardrobe was Chanel.
• 24:25
  Because Jacqueline Duran, Margot Robbie and Mattel have a pretty
• 24:30
  long history with the fashion house, and Chanel was more than
• 24:35
  happy to collaborate with the film.
• 24:38
  As Jacqueline told people, when I went to Paris and went to the
• 24:43
  Chanel archive, I also discovered that Karl Lagerfeld
• 24:47
  had designed a Barbie collection in the 90s with Claudia
• 24:50
  Schaeffer and all the supermodels modeling Barbie.
• 24:56
  It became the perfect Easter egg to put one of Carl's costumes
• 25:00
  into the world, which we did. So Margot at one point is
• 25:05
  wearing Claudia Schaefer suit from the archive, the actual
• 25:10
  suit not remade. She also did wear a pink suit
• 25:15
  that was remade from that collection.
• 25:17
  Chanel copied their own work and made a reproduction.
• 25:22
  And then we used in the movie The Claudia Shaffer.
• 25:26
  One though, was the actual suit. It was the perfect match between
• 25:31
  what we wanted and wanted to be in the movie and what Chanel had
• 25:35
  already made. That is incredible.
• 25:37
  I did not know that, actually. I mean, it looks very Chanel
• 25:40
  when you see it, but yeah, know that that's the actual one that
• 25:44
  was on the runway is insanity and I love it.
• 25:47
  It's wild and it's like they clearly did nothing to it.
• 25:52
  It looks just perfect. It looks like it hasn't been
• 25:56
  worn since the 90s actually. It probably hasn't been.
• 26:00
  If it's in the archive, probably not.
• 26:02
  Yeah, it's just it looks so beautiful.
• 26:05
  And what's crazy is Jacqueline didn't have to do that, you
• 26:09
  know? But the attention to detail and
• 26:12
  storytelling that was happening on this film was just on a whole
• 26:15
  other level. Yeah, and knowing that, like
• 26:18
  Barbie and Chanel had had this history together and bringing
• 26:21
  that in, it's just so beautiful. And then one of the pieces they
• 26:26
  also made from their archive, which she wears in the The Pink
• 26:31
  House Oval Office, is it's so perfect.
• 26:37
  It's really because like it fits into that like pinkish category
• 26:42
  but brings in some of those other like orangey colours that
• 26:45
  they were talking about in their colour palette and it's just
• 26:48
  like she just looks so stately and perfect.
• 26:52
  Yeah, it looks incredible. I love to Tweed.
• 26:55
  It's very politician. Jackie Kennedy.
• 26:59
  It. I love it.
• 27:00
  It's so perfect, but they did recognize that they couldn't
• 27:04
  keep Barbie and pink the whole time, and that Barbie wasn't
• 27:07
  just all about pink. And they bring a lot of blue
• 27:11
  into her wardrobe, especially when she's having her not so
• 27:15
  great day and feeling a little bit down.
• 27:19
  Which is funny, too, because we associate blue with, like, kind
• 27:22
  of like being bummed out sometimes.
• 27:25
  So it it's it's perfect. It's very subtle.
• 27:28
  And I'm glad they didn't keep her in pink the entire time,
• 27:31
  'cause it would have eventually burned our eyeballs.
• 27:34
  It would. Have been too much.
• 27:36
  Yeah, yeah, 'cause they acknowledged that Barbie didn't
• 27:40
  just wear pink. Let's be real.
• 27:42
  Yeah, and the other Barbies weren't all in pink either.
• 27:47
  And Jacqueline talked about creating the costumes for the
• 27:51
  other Barbies in Barbie world to the credits, saying in a regular
• 27:56
  film, when an actress plays someone, her character dictates
• 28:00
  what she wears. But in this instance, it's not
• 28:03
  the same relationship to the character Barbie.
• 28:06
  All the Barbies wear things appropriate to what they're
• 28:10
  doing. The reason for her costume comes
• 28:13
  from outside of the character, which is very cool, 'cause it's
• 28:18
  like, yeah, when they're at the beach, they're dressed for the
• 28:21
  beach. She really gave the beach like a
• 28:24
  French Riviera 1960s vibe, which was perfect, but they're all
• 28:29
  perfectly dressed for the beach. Right.
• 28:32
  Well, in theory. I mean, they're all just sitting
• 28:36
  on the beach and beaching out. Yeah, no one's actually doing
• 28:39
  activities, which is what I love.
• 28:41
  No. Yeah, the beaches for beaching.
• 28:43
  And then the mermaid is the perfect mermaid.
• 28:48
  Yes, played by Dua Lipa, by the way.
• 28:50
  Yes, I love her cameo. It's.
• 28:53
  So good. And then, Oh my gosh, she plays
• 28:55
  the guy mermaid. John Cena, It's so good.
• 29:00
  So good. And then when they're doctors,
• 29:05
  they have on the perfect doctor outfits.
• 29:07
  When they're at a sleepover, it's the perfect sleepover
• 29:09
  outfit. Accepting, you know, Nobel
• 29:13
  Prizes. It's the most perfect, beautiful
• 29:16
  thing to accept your Nobel Prize in.
• 29:18
  Like everything is perfect for what they're doing.
• 29:21
  It's so perfect. I specifically like the Doctor
• 29:25
  costumes because to me that's just like the color choice of
• 29:27
  not just like the little subtle mint green pants too.
• 29:31
  I don't know what it is, but that just screams like Barbie to
• 29:34
  me. I could see that like in the
• 29:36
  box, but it's also practical and it makes sense too, especially
• 29:40
  against the very pink background they're in.
• 29:42
  Absolutely. Who also got this treatment was
• 29:47
  Ken. Yeah, whoa, whoa, whoa.
• 29:52
  Whoa, whoa. I love Ken.
• 29:53
  And this like Ryan Gosling. It's the funniest thing ever.
• 29:58
  He is so good. I will admit that I've never
• 30:01
  been like, not that I don't like Ryan Gosling, but I've never
• 30:04
  been like a overly big Ryan Gosling fan.
• 30:07
  I guess I would say converted completely in Barbie.
• 30:10
  He was just, he was so good. I loved his performance and I do
• 30:14
  think that he should be nominated for Academy Award
• 30:16
  because I really feel like he did a lot of, I don't know,
• 30:19
  really good, subtle character acting in this film.
• 30:22
  It's really quite good. And he took like such a goofy
• 30:27
  concept of a character and played it really earnestly and
• 30:32
  really seriously. And it.
• 30:34
  It's very two sided, you know, It very has like a deep
• 30:37
  emotional trauma to it. Yeah, absolutely.
• 30:43
  And Jacqueline talked to Vogue about Ken's look a little bit
• 30:48
  saying retro sportswear is 1 area where we did a lot of
• 30:52
  shopping for Ken. He is sporty.
• 30:55
  That's his main thing. We had buyers in America that
• 30:59
  went to dealers and imported it for us because we needed so much
• 31:03
  of it. She also noted to Vogue that no
• 31:09
  one cares about Ken. Everybody just wants to play
• 31:12
  with Barbie. He matches Barbie and changes
• 31:15
  too, but he has very, very many less options.
• 31:22
  I'm sorry, Ken, that's not very nice.
• 31:24
  It's not very nice, but it's so true and all the Ken's always do
• 31:28
  match their Barbies. So good the beach costumes, just
• 31:32
  like the shorts, like the matching ensemble of like the
• 31:36
  button up shirt. With the short shorts it's it's
• 31:40
  everything. All the all the textiles, all
• 31:42
  the colors. Every single one is great.
• 31:44
  Not just on the Ryan Gosling Ken, but every Ken is a look
• 31:48
  that I wish I could pull off if I wasn't so pale and sickly
• 31:51
  looking. You could, you could pull it
• 31:53
  off. Spencer, I believe in you.
• 31:55
  But you know, like a couple years ago when like there were
• 31:58
  like there was like a big turn of, like men's rompers.
• 32:01
  Yeah, yeah. We need to replace that with
• 32:04
  matching 2 piece sets. Yeah.
• 32:08
  Like. Please.
• 32:09
  It looks so good and I get it. You know it's Ryan Gosling's.
• 32:12
  But still, it it just the colors work so well.
• 32:16
  I It's probably one of my favorite parts of the entire
• 32:18
  film. They work so well, and I also
• 32:21
  love how they use that same exact color scheme to make Allen
• 32:26
  just completely stand out from everyone else and somehow feel a
• 32:30
  little bit awkward. Oh, Allen.
• 32:33
  Like, it's so funny. And I love how they literally
• 32:37
  just reproduced Allen's look in their color scheme.
• 32:42
  Exactly. They're like Allen's done, OK?
• 32:48
  It's so sad, but yeah, the Elizabeth has a picture of the
• 32:52
  Allen box and he looks exactly like he did in the box, even
• 32:57
  just as pale. Same haircut and it is like the
• 33:00
  same, sure, just in like the color palette that Jacqueline
• 33:04
  Duran was talking about. And it's so, so perfect.
• 33:09
  And it gets even more perfect with the dance number.
• 33:13
  Oh, it's so good. I mean, I've seen this scene
• 33:15
  about 100,000 times. Yeah, and I do.
• 33:18
  I really love. In this scene you can see where
• 33:20
  Ken is just matching Barbie like that's all that matters, is that
• 33:25
  he match Barbie. The colors.
• 33:29
  I love the use of like silver, the very it's a very disco
• 33:33
  scene. So everything's kind of like
• 33:35
  disco ball to me. A little Studio 54, a little
• 33:39
  bit, which I very much enjoy. It just looks so good I I could
• 33:44
  watch the scene forever. And of course, it's paired of
• 33:47
  that line where Barbie asked everyone to ever think about
• 33:50
  dying, which I think that probably is my favorite entire
• 33:53
  part from the scene from the film.
• 33:55
  It's so good, especially. Because like, I felt that you,
• 33:58
  you're out, you're having a good time with him.
• 33:59
  You're like, what if I die right now?
• 34:01
  Yeah, every day. Like, yeah, you're just, but I
• 34:06
  think that's like the worst time to have that thought.
• 34:09
  And it's like, that's what happens in real life, too.
• 34:11
  If you voice that, it's like, everyone's like, what?
• 34:14
  That could ruin your whole day if someone brings it oh.
• 34:20
  Whose day it's not ruining is a weird barbie's day.
• 34:25
  Oh man, Kate McKinnon kills it. This was so good, and Jacqueline
• 34:33
  talks to the rap about Weird Barbie's look, saying the
• 34:38
  primary concern with Weird Barbie was whether to go for
• 34:42
  something that was completely messy at the bottom of a box
• 34:46
  that had been discarded, or whether to go for more of a
• 34:51
  discordant fashion look. In the end, we went with the
• 34:55
  discordant fashion look, particularly for her first
• 34:58
  costume. Yeah, I mean, I get what she's
• 35:02
  saying. It's like, do we do we want to
• 35:03
  put her out in like a garbage bag and look all torn up like a
• 35:07
  weird Barbie would at the bottom of the box?
• 35:08
  Or do you still, can you still achieve that with a look that's
• 35:11
  still is fashionable and artistic, but also still, you
• 35:16
  know, talk to the idea of it being weird Barbie.
• 35:18
  I think she made a great choice, because this still to me reads
• 35:22
  like kind of She reminds me of the doll from Rugrats.
• 35:26
  I don't remember Cynthia. Yeah, yeah.
• 35:29
  Cynthia. Cynthia.
• 35:31
  The crazy hair. But like, still, there's a level
• 35:34
  of taste to it too. Very artistic.
• 35:37
  Art. Student art design, yeah.
• 35:39
  And it's so good because, like, especially the short because I
• 35:41
  had a weird Barbie with. Of course you did.
• 35:44
  We cut her hair super short mostly because someone got
• 35:48
  bubble gum in it. So we, like, cut her hair super
• 35:52
  short. And like, she was always wearing
• 35:54
  like the weird, like discarded outfits that, like, I didn't
• 35:58
  really use on my other Barbies. Yeah, and like so many little
• 36:03
  kids like draw patterns on the clothes.
• 36:05
  But it's like the clothes are still gonna look like the
• 36:08
  silhouette's still gonna be cute, the silhouette's still
• 36:11
  gonna be like Barbie fashion. But yeah, it's gonna have this
• 36:14
  this weird thing on the side of it now.
• 36:18
  So I'm really. I'm happy to meet with the high,
• 36:21
  weird, high fashion angle, and from there we get the epic
• 36:27
  sequence of Barbie's journey to the real world, in which Chanel
• 36:34
  made another appearance. As Jacqueline told The Hollywood
• 36:38
  Reporter, the ski suit they wear on the snowmobile is a Chanel
• 36:43
  ski suit, and that was great for Margot, but Chanel doesn't make
• 36:48
  menswear, so they had to make one for Ken, which was very kind
• 36:51
  of them to do. Oh, I love that.
• 36:54
  They're like, I mean, if it's for anyone, I guess.
• 36:56
  Ryan Gosling, yeah. They're like, I guess it has to
• 37:02
  match. We'll do it.
• 37:04
  Yeah, I love the matching costumes.
• 37:06
  It's so fun. Especially because they're like
• 37:09
  moving against that that moving background too at the same time.
• 37:13
  So it's just the colors just pop so perfectly.
• 37:16
  It's I love all these scenes. I love the one when they're in
• 37:19
  the boats. They have like the little
• 37:22
  sailor's hat and a striped shirt.
• 37:24
  So good. It's so good.
• 37:26
  I also love how Ken's just having the time of his life
• 37:29
  because him and Barbie are clearly getting along very well
• 37:32
  and he's like, yes, this is what our life is gonna be.
• 37:36
  It's so good. These are such great scenes.
• 37:39
  Before we dive into the real world though, Spencer, I think
• 37:42
  we need a little break before we get there.
• 37:44
  Yeah, I gotta get over to the beach.
• 37:47
  I need like a little Margarita. I just really need to get into
• 37:51
  like beach, you know? Yeah.
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• 38:13
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• 38:55
  Spencer How do you feel about roller skating at Venice Beach?
• 39:03
  Personally, I would not do it as someone who lives in Lai don't
• 39:08
  particularly enjoy going to Venice or Santa Monica.
• 39:11
  I'm a Malibu person myself. I see.
• 39:15
  But I will say that Barbie and Ken's Venice roller skating
• 39:18
  rollerblading looks are probably two of my favorite costumes.
• 39:22
  They are so good. Do you remember when we saw
• 39:25
  these? Like looks kind of be like
• 39:27
  leaked, maybe like months and months before the movie came
• 39:30
  out. I I think this is like one of
• 39:34
  the first if not the first thing we saw and it we knew like, oh,
• 39:38
  at least for costumes, this is going to be incredible.
• 39:41
  Yeah, we literally, as costume design journalists, we're like,
• 39:45
  OK, well, we have Barbie to look forward to in about a year and a
• 39:48
  half, and it's going to control our lives.
• 39:51
  Yes, it was so exciting. And Jacqueline talked about the
• 39:55
  process of making these to Entertainment Weekly, saying if
• 40:00
  you're gonna put a costume on somebody and they're gonna
• 40:03
  really stand out in Venice, what's that gonna be?
• 40:08
  You have to go quite far out because Venice has so many
• 40:12
  characters and no one really raises an eyebrow.
• 40:17
  When it came to the pieces themselves, while it was
• 40:21
  inspired by hot skate and Barbie, she told Entertainment
• 40:26
  Weekly, our textile artists copied the original pattern and
• 40:30
  printed it onto the leotard and onto the pieces for Ryan.
• 40:35
  So while obviously the look is only inspired by Hot Skate and
• 40:41
  Barbie, the pattern that's on her original outfit is exactly
• 40:46
  the same as what's on their pieces.
• 40:48
  I love that. Just such a great use of fabric
• 40:52
  and textiles. It looks so good.
• 40:54
  And Jacqueline Durant is so right in her quote.
• 40:57
  She's really kind of she's insinuating.
• 41:02
  What is true is that Venice is really not that magical of a
• 41:05
  place that people from outside of LA don't understand.
• 41:09
  It is very questionable. It's full of characters, and if
• 41:13
  you were to rollerblade around in this costume, you would 100%
• 41:17
  stand out. Yeah, in all my years there, I
• 41:20
  only went to Venice once. And I was like, well, I've been
• 41:24
  here now, and it really is. There really is just like this
• 41:29
  cast of characters there. And yeah, you've got to think
• 41:32
  about what would raise an eyebrow there.
• 41:35
  And it's definitely this. Yeah, very, very.
• 41:38
  This. It's perfect.
• 41:40
  It's chef's kiss. It's so good.
• 41:43
  What's almost better is their change.
• 41:46
  When Barbie's like for the first time in my life, I feel
• 41:49
  uncomfortable and they put on their western wear.
• 41:58
  Which is so funny to me. It's like this is what's
• 42:00
  considered comfortable because it's still outlandish.
• 42:04
  It's so good though the pink with the black it is flawless.
• 42:09
  It is so perfect. And Jacqueline Duran told
• 42:12
  Entertainment Weekly about these pieces, saying now that it's
• 42:16
  done, it feels entirely obvious and the right costume for the
• 42:21
  moment. But it took a moment to work out
• 42:24
  when they arrived in America, what would they wear?
• 42:28
  How would Barbie and Ken? Well not so much a Ken cuz Ken
• 42:33
  follows, but how would Barbie choose what to wear when she
• 42:37
  wants to fit in and be liked in America?
• 42:41
  What does she become? Malibu Barbie?
• 42:44
  No, she becomes Western Barbie. I mean, that makes sense.
• 42:48
  When I think when people think of America, they think of like
• 42:51
  the Wild West and big aggressive cowboy hats and holding a
• 42:55
  cheeseburger and a bald eagle. So yeah, Western is definitely
• 43:00
  where I would think is the right place to go.
• 43:03
  Absolutely. And like, I love her denim two
• 43:08
  piece so much, but it's not actually a denim two piece.
• 43:11
  It is a stretch fabric with a denim texture printed onto it
• 43:15
  and it looks so beautiful, which I was kind of wondering how she
• 43:20
  quite got that shape because it really like it looks like denim
• 43:24
  but I was like denim doesn't quite do that so I was curious
• 43:28
  how she got that and like that just makes so much sense.
• 43:31
  Yeah, that's true. The silhouette is silhouetting,
• 43:35
  yeah. It's it's giving a Barbie
• 43:38
  silhouette. Yeah.
• 43:41
  And Ken, I mean, that look was so recognizable.
• 43:43
  I knew that this is going to be like the Halloween costume of
• 43:46
  the year for men was that black western look with the fringe and
• 43:50
  the pink Ascot. It's so good I actually want to
• 43:53
  get it. But Halloween just always for
• 43:56
  some reason sneaks up on me, so I never put it together.
• 43:59
  Even though it's my favorite time of the year, it's like it's
• 44:01
  October 25th. Yeah, I had this.
• 44:04
  So I just wore this and a blonde wig and was like, we're good.
• 44:11
  But it's at this moment that we get the sweetest cameo of all
• 44:16
  time. Legendary.
• 44:19
  Talk about this. Yes, legendary costume designer
• 44:22
  Anne Roth is the old lady at the bus stop.
• 44:27
  It's so good. It's so sweet.
• 44:29
  This is the first moment I cry in a film.
• 44:32
  And it's a hard to cry too, because Anne Roth is just such a
• 44:35
  legend, such a legend, such an icon in our field.
• 44:39
  And what I love about Too is so many people don't even know who
• 44:42
  that is. And that's just like how crazy
• 44:45
  it is that this costume designer who's done some of the world's
• 44:49
  biggest films, has won multiple Academy Awards as just.
• 44:52
  Saying there's fashion for decades.
• 44:54
  She's in her 90s. Right.
• 44:57
  And just that beautiful touching moment with Margot Robbie.
• 45:00
  It is so good and I just had to sneak this into the slides
• 45:04
  because it's so flawed. I.
• 45:05
  Thought you put this in here? I was like, 'cause I was working
• 45:08
  on them late last night and I was like, did I put this in
• 45:10
  here? Did I not?
• 45:11
  What? We can't do a Barbie episode
• 45:13
  without shouting out Anne Roth because she is the OG.
• 45:18
  Yeah, and after that incredible moment and Barbie finding
• 45:26
  America Ferrera in the real world, she knows who she is and
• 45:32
  what she needs to do. And it's bring them back to
• 45:36
  Barbieland, where things have just gone horribly wrong.
• 45:41
  America Ferrera, I mean such a great part to this film.
• 45:45
  She is so good. Obviously we love her monologue.
• 45:48
  I love it. I think it's brilliant.
• 45:51
  But her costumes, I love it because they are very real world
• 45:55
  and that slowly like does like a transition where she kind of
• 45:59
  blends into Barbie world but from from a real realistic mom
• 46:04
  contemporary point of view too. Yeah.
• 46:07
  And yeah, I loved her character because she's like, she's
• 46:11
  clearly someone who's pretty confident in who she is, even
• 46:14
  though she's kind of having this, you know, midlife crisis
• 46:18
  of sorts, especially with that, that first button down top she's
• 46:23
  wearing that has like the blue collar centerpiece with the red
• 46:29
  and white striped sleeves and like, body.
• 46:32
  It's just so cool. Like, you see that?
• 46:36
  And 'cause they don't do a lot of like back story for the
• 46:39
  character, but it gives you enough information to be like,
• 46:41
  oh, this is a person who like, has a strong personality, likes
• 46:46
  to dress up. So of course she liked Barbie
• 46:49
  and works at Mattel. Yeah, yeah.
• 46:53
  There's definitely like a lost storyline that's happening in
• 46:55
  the costumes. Absolutely.
• 46:58
  And talk about a lot of storyline in the costume.
• 47:04
  Weird Barbies like suited up for battle now and I just love how
• 47:12
  reminiscent of the 80s this look is.
• 47:17
  Yeah, it's very like parachute pants, very big and billowy,
• 47:23
  because it looks just so crazy on Kate McKinnon.
• 47:26
  And I love it. But you're right, it is like
• 47:28
  very gearing up for war because Weird Barbie has like, little
• 47:31
  armor pauldrons on. Like she's getting ready to
• 47:33
  fight. Yeah, because she knows.
• 47:35
  She knows the Ken's are up to no good.
• 47:38
  Oh man, yeah, let's talk about this, this transition.
• 47:41
  I mean, I love. That's just how subtly
• 47:44
  everything just starts to really change.
• 47:46
  Like the one Barbie who's suddenly in like a very skimpy
• 47:50
  maid look, but like. French maid, yeah.
• 47:53
  Yeah, it's like, OK, I see what's happening here.
• 47:55
  It's very subtle. It's so it's so funny and it's
• 48:00
  just like, yeah, I guess someone who like never experienced that
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  kind of, like repression might not exactly question at first.
• 48:10
  It's very brainwashy of the Ken's.
• 48:14
  Very, very brainwashy. Very interesting.
• 48:21
  And we have. We have Ken in his Patriarchy
• 48:27
  era. Oh man, I gotta say it's it's
• 48:31
  just so good. It's so good, especially this
• 48:35
  jacket, which Jacqueline talked about to the credits saying
• 48:40
  Greta and Ryan had been talking, and between them they had
• 48:44
  pictures of Sly Stallone looking fantastic in this fur coat from
• 48:49
  the 80s. That fur coat became critical in
• 48:54
  pinning down how far we could go with Ken and how much fun we
• 48:58
  could have. Yeah, it's so good because it
• 49:01
  it's very costuming. This is like the moment of film
• 49:05
  where it starts to become a costume, you know, and not just
• 49:07
  like contemporary costume clothing, which is so
• 49:10
  intentional and funny because Ken is really gained into the
• 49:14
  patriarchy of of it all. And he feels like there's like a
• 49:17
  uniform to patriarchy, and that is the fur coat with the big
• 49:22
  shades, the headband, it's it's all over.
• 49:25
  And I love. It it's amazing.
• 49:27
  Like he is literally playing a part.
• 49:30
  He's not being himself. Yeah.
• 49:34
  She talked more about his looks in these last scenes to
• 49:39
  Entertainment Weekly, saying this evolved in the fitting.
• 49:42
  There's always some kind of extra in everything that they
• 49:45
  wear, kind of last minute thing. We added these fringe shoulder
• 49:51
  pads and that just finished it off.
• 49:54
  In another scene, he's wearing a tracksuit that matches that and
• 49:58
  printed onto the tracksuit, his horses galloping with lightning.
• 50:04
  And so the headband, that little kind of line going across it
• 50:09
  from the lightning, part of the pattern of the horses, these
• 50:12
  details with the horses and all these things, I just love the
• 50:17
  fact that they're all in there. I love that Jacqueline Duran is
• 50:22
  like, a fan of her own work at this point, too, right?
• 50:25
  Tell the entire team's like, we ate that.
• 50:27
  Yeah, Yeah. They're like, yeah, we did that.
• 50:31
  That was us. That was us.
• 50:32
  That was me. Do you see how cool that is?
• 50:36
  Pay costing designers and their teams the wages they deserve
• 50:40
  'cause they're killing it. They carried this movie.
• 50:42
  They did. They absolutely did.
• 50:46
  Especially through the dance number and the beach, the beach
• 50:55
  off. The ultimate beach off the
• 50:58
  ultimate. Beach off.
• 50:59
  I just want to beach off with them too.
• 51:01
  It is so, so fun. I'm so jealous.
• 51:09
  Gosh, they all do such a good job.
• 51:11
  I'm like, I I'm like. I wonder how long it took them
• 51:14
  to finish. They just must have been
• 51:16
  cracking up constantly. Yeah, it's.
• 51:19
  So funny. It's so funny.
• 51:21
  So I love when they arrive to like the beach and they're
• 51:24
  coming off the the horse boats and like still all the Ken's
• 51:29
  looks are very kind of in uniform.
• 51:31
  They all have similar elements, but they're also still all very
• 51:35
  different. It's like everything's kind of
• 51:36
  discombobulated at this moment because everyone's having like a
• 51:39
  massive, massive identity crisis.
• 51:42
  So all the costumes are like matching but not matching.
• 51:46
  It's like they're actually at war at this moment.
• 51:48
  It's a free. Fall.
• 51:49
  Yeah. They're at war with themselves
• 51:51
  and what they wanna be. Meanwhile, the Barbies are like,
• 51:54
  we're just gonna put things back the way they were.
• 51:59
  I especially like the the president Barbie, her final
• 52:04
  look. It's so, like, it's so in your
• 52:08
  face compared to like, everything that's been worn
• 52:11
  before. Yeah.
• 52:13
  And she's just like, yes, I am the president and you're not.
• 52:15
  You're not going to change that. Yeah, they're all like in the
• 52:18
  uniform, kind of like jumpsuit or romper, which just to me says
• 52:22
  like they're very down in the business, right to just right
• 52:25
  all these wrongs. Meanwhile all the all the cans
• 52:28
  are like moving into like this kind of like grease phase with
• 52:31
  the all black looks with the pink socks oh.
• 52:34
  It's so good. I especially love Alan in the in
• 52:38
  that pink jumpsuit. He's just like, yes, I'm here to
• 52:41
  help Barbie. What can I do?
• 52:42
  What can I do? With the sunglasses, that's
• 52:45
  actually Allen's best look. Just gotta say he looks great in
• 52:47
  pink. He does, He really does.
• 52:51
  And another outfit in these ending sequences, which I loved,
• 52:58
  was when Barbie makes that first attempt to trick Ken.
• 53:04
  She's wearing head to toe Chanel once again and it is perfect.
• 53:13
  The bag, the dress, the necklace, it all comes together
• 53:16
  to be this perfect vision of, I guess, a patriarchy Barbie like.
• 53:23
  Like it works perfectly. At What Ken Wants from Her and
• 53:28
  Ken is wearing this stunning denim ensemble, very reminiscent
• 53:35
  of a Calvin Klein ad with the underwear showing.
• 53:40
  And Jacqueline told Vogue that Ryan Gosling came up with the
• 53:44
  idea for Ken branded underwear for his character, the detail
• 53:49
  that went viral when the film's marketing dropped We.
• 53:52
  Just rushed. To make it.
• 53:56
  I somehow just now realized that it says CAN and not Calvin
• 54:00
  Klein. I did not notice that until you.
• 54:02
  Didn't know that. No, because it looks like you
• 54:05
  said it looks just like a Calvin Klein ad.
• 54:07
  So my brain just automatically just read it as Calvin Klein.
• 54:10
  So good. I am obsessed.
• 54:13
  It it is so perfect. And Barbie's final look is very
• 54:19
  different from what we've been used to so far, but really is
• 54:23
  her transition look. And Jacqueline told the credits
• 54:26
  about this final piece saying for the contemporary section, I
• 54:31
  wanted to reproduce the most popular Barbie dress in the last
• 54:36
  five years, which was yellow. So we made Barbie Margot Roberts
• 54:42
  dress yellow as an homage, but it's not really a Barbie costume
• 54:49
  because the way it's cut is different.
• 54:52
  This is much more a human costume.
• 54:55
  Everything we did with the costumes was kind of
• 54:58
  multifaceted because I wanted to reference the Mattel experience
• 55:04
  but also wanted to tell the story of Barbie.
• 55:07
  That's really a great quote because it really shows like the
• 55:10
  transition of like Barbie becoming a person that I feel
• 55:13
  like is a lot more identifiable within ourselves.
• 55:18
  Yeah, like it. It's a very contemporary look,
• 55:20
  like I, you know, this is a very popular dress that we would see
• 55:25
  around LA, maybe warm locations. And also same for Ken, who, you
• 55:30
  know, he's wearing this like really outrageous.
• 55:33
  I am Kenneth, a hoodie. But it's also like the actual
• 55:36
  hoodie is something that would be worn.
• 55:40
  So like, there is like a contemporary moment that's just
• 55:42
  happening where everyone's kind of transitioning back into a new
• 55:46
  reality that's a little bit more identifiable and relatable.
• 55:50
  Absolutely. And with that we have the
• 55:53
  conclusion of Barbie. However, Barbie sparked such a
• 55:59
  craze, Jacqueline realized that people were going to love to
• 56:03
  dress like Barbie, but it wasn't exactly going to be a
• 56:07
  sustainable look for people to buy.
• 56:10
  So she actually partnered with Thread Up, as she explained to
• 56:15
  Harper's Bazaar. She said.
• 56:17
  I just thought of what a brilliant idea it was because
• 56:20
  I'm conscious that everyone's really enthusiastic about Barbie
• 56:24
  at the moment. But it's not a look that you're
• 56:27
  going to wear again and again and again.
• 56:30
  It's a look that you're going to play around with and dress up
• 56:33
  and change and do different things with.
• 56:36
  So you can go to Thread up right now and see the hashtag
• 56:42
  Barbiecore dream shop that Jacqueline Durand helped curate.
• 56:47
  Wow, I love that. That is so cool.
• 56:50
  Because yeah, that is such an important thing to think about.
• 56:52
  Because yes, it's Barbie and we all want to go out and get our
• 56:56
  pink outfits. But at the same time, it's like,
• 56:59
  remember that this is a very pollutant industry as well.
• 57:03
  Fashion, fast fashion. So if you could do this
• 57:06
  sustainably and thrift your Barbie looks, that's definitely
• 57:10
  the way to go. Absolutely.
• 57:13
  And I think just to kind of cap off how much of A fashion moment
• 57:18
  the Barbie movie really has been, was looking at Margot
• 57:24
  Robbie's outfits for the press tour and the premieres of Barbie
• 57:31
  around the world. Her stylist Andrew Muckamal
• 57:36
  really did a beautiful job and just brought it full circle
• 57:42
  because like looking like Barbie is what marketed this to
• 57:49
  success. And it's still going like we
• 57:52
  just watched a Golden Globes the other night and Margot Robbie
• 57:56
  wore superstar Barbie. Like with the Pink and the
• 57:58
  Fringe, it's just it is genius marketing.
• 58:01
  The marketing campaign for Barbie will be studied for years
• 58:04
  to come by business and marketing.
• 58:06
  Students because like from Jaclyn's costumes they pulled
• 58:10
  like the perfect you know stills to show us first like like you
• 58:14
  said that that Ken Calvin Klein like looking like still or you
• 58:20
  didn't even realize it was Ken. Like it was so perfect to draw
• 58:23
  us in the looks they chose of Jacqueline's and then Andrews
• 58:28
  work on her press tour. Outfits like people wanted to
• 58:32
  see what was happening with this press tour, which is like a
• 58:36
  press tour is like, OK, whatever.
• 58:38
  Like, you know, sometimes like a look or two will stand out, but
• 58:42
  it's like we were looking at every single thing she wore,
• 58:45
  'cause it was just so eye-catching.
• 58:47
  Yeah, regular everyday people probably aren't paying attention
• 58:50
  to press tours from movies. If you're maybe a bit more
• 58:53
  obsessed like us we are. But Barbie?
• 58:56
  Yeah, it it like made people pay attention before this movie even
• 59:01
  came out. So it was genius.
• 59:03
  And I think also this goes to just show how important costume
• 59:07
  designers are in the process of filmmaking and storytelling.
• 59:10
  Because a movie like this would not be possible without costume
• 59:14
  designers like Jacqueline Duran who put everything they have
• 59:18
  into this. And often, you know, costume
• 59:20
  designers don't get the pay or the credit they deserve.
• 59:25
  So hashtag naked without us like this, this is this movie needs
• 59:30
  to be studied because it would not be possible without
• 59:34
  Jacqueline Duran and her team. Absolutely not.
• 59:37
  And with that, Spencer, Are you ready to play our favorite game?
• 59:41
  I am. I've been thinking about this
• 59:44
  movie quite a bit. It's going to be a hard one.
• 59:49
  There's so many different looks and I just.
• 59:51
  I don't know. But yeah, let's do it.
• 59:55
  The one costume to rule them all.
• 1:00:03
  Spencer What's your one costume to rule them all?
• 1:00:06
  Elizabeth I think, OK, I think my one costume to rule them all
• 1:00:16
  is a pair. I think it just has to be the
• 1:00:20
  Western Barbie looks. Because I mean, yes, they're
• 1:00:24
  very, you know, they're very a part of the marketing.
• 1:00:26
  Everyone knows these looks, but the storytelling of it is like,
• 1:00:29
  these are two Barbie and Ken who are coming to America.
• 1:00:34
  And they're just for some reason they're trying to think like,
• 1:00:36
  how can we blend in and we're in America.
• 1:00:40
  Not that they really know what that means at this point, but
• 1:00:43
  just from their brief, like time here, they realize okay, it's
• 1:00:46
  very Western. We need these cowboy looks with
• 1:00:49
  the cowboy hats and the denim and horses and like it's very
• 1:00:56
  like this is their interpretation of what our
• 1:00:59
  country is. And to me that's hilarious
• 1:01:01
  because that is how sometimes I also see what the world's doing.
• 1:01:06
  So I don't know. But honestly, we could go around
• 1:01:10
  in circles picking one. Costumes rule them all.
• 1:01:12
  So I'm. I'm not even confident in my
• 1:01:14
  choice. But that is what jumped out of
• 1:01:16
  my brain just now. I love it.
• 1:01:18
  I think it's a great choice MY1 costume to rule them all is Kate
• 1:01:24
  Mckinnon's first weird Barbie look.
• 1:01:27
  I love this so much. I pre-ordered the doll and it's
• 1:01:35
  such a good representation of like, I think how much a lot of
• 1:01:40
  a lot of kids love their Barbies so much and how creative they
• 1:01:47
  get with their Barbies. And like, you know, how much
• 1:01:49
  they love to play with them is a weird Barbie.
• 1:01:53
  Like, you know, if it's always super messed up, you know,
• 1:01:57
  somebody love to play with it. So I love that how they
• 1:02:03
  represented that in her costume and her look.
• 1:02:06
  It's so perfect. Yeah, it's a physical
• 1:02:10
  representation of like, imagination to me, which is why
• 1:02:14
  I love because this costume is out of this world but still
• 1:02:18
  makes sense if you look at the colors, the gradient of the tool
• 1:02:21
  and the skirt, it's just all, it's very imaginative and I
• 1:02:26
  think you picked a great one costume to rule them all.
• 1:02:28
  Thank you Spencer, and if you would like to let us know what
• 1:02:33
  your one costume to rule them all is, you can leave us a
• 1:02:35
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• 1:02:44
  costume@gmail.com. Spencer What are we watching on
• 1:02:49
  Thursday? So we just did Barbie, right.
• 1:02:53
  So only makes sense for us to head on over to I guess the
• 1:02:57
  darker side of things. We are talking about
• 1:03:00
  Oppenheimer, which is probably shocking to no one.
• 1:03:04
  I loved Oppenheimer. You did very.
• 1:03:07
  It was so good. And it's, you know, doing all
• 1:03:10
  the award season rounds right now.
• 1:03:12
  I'm very excited to talk about Oppenheimer and I should just
• 1:03:15
  say, I usually would hold a surprise, but we're going to be
• 1:03:18
  joined by costume designer Ella Miroznik to talk about
• 1:03:21
  Oppenheimer and I'm very excited.
• 1:03:24
  She goes into all the details of Oppenheimer's looks, but then
• 1:03:29
  also just a subtle notes like there was no hats in Oppenheimer
• 1:03:34
  except the one worn by Oppenheimer.
• 1:03:36
  Little notes that you might not have picked up on.
• 1:03:39
  I'm very excited to get into it. I am so excited for your
• 1:03:42
  interview with her. If you would like some content
• 1:03:46
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• 1:03:51
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• 1:03:55
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• 1:03:59
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• 1:04:02
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• 1:04:06
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• 1:04:13
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• 1:04:15
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• 1:04:20
  and rewatch it, maybe head on over to YouTube and you could
• 1:04:23
  see pictures of all the costumes we're talking about as we go
• 1:04:25
  along. Well, until next time,
• 1:04:29
  Elizabeth, I'm very excited. Season four is going to be
• 1:04:32
  amazing, if it's anything like season three, so I'm very
• 1:04:36
  excited. As am I I cannot wait to get
• 1:04:40
  this season started. We have so much planned and I'm
• 1:04:43
  very excited. Yeah, me too.
• 1:04:46
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• 1:04:47
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• 1:04:54
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• 1:05:00
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