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Patriots Unfiltered 9/4: Week 1 Key Players, OL Possibilities, Pass Rushing · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 2: The Worlds of Vigeinal.
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  Speaker 1: Podcast Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.
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  Speaker 3: He's their best receiver. I don't think they have a
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  Speaker 3: number one receiver. I don't think they have.
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  Speaker 4: Their number one. But he's not on number one.
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  Speaker 5: For things that really get under Mike Desoa skin Saman
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  Speaker 5: that's the one.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, x y Z one football.
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  Speaker 6: Talk him getting banged up and being inconsistent and Mike
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  Speaker 6: did he play the X?
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  Speaker 4: I think it was one two three x y Z.
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  Speaker 3: By the way, can we get a close up of
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  Speaker 3: dous of Socks offered him a lower contract after the
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  Speaker 3: team offered him more money. The Bengals offered him more money.
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  Speaker 5: Not how you do negotiation.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, and none of the McCartney who young guys, you know,
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  Speaker 6: like maybe like there might be more perculating instead.
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  Speaker 5: They could win the game and not necessarily have a
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  Speaker 5: great offensive day. But I'm talking about the like they
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  Speaker 5: just came out and lit it.
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  Speaker 2: I might take my shirt off in Cincinnati.
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  Speaker 2: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Wednesday here
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  Speaker 2: at Jillette Stadium, our first Wednesday show of the regular season.
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  Speaker 2: but that's where they are. And as soon as they're done,
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  Speaker 2: they will join us on the show. We're getting ready
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  Speaker 2: of obviously, what are you doing over there?
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  Speaker 5: I got some issues?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, you went to the doctor today. I did. Is
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  Speaker 2: that what you did?
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  Speaker 5: And I took the thing off too, So still you're bleeding?
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  Speaker 2: You're all right?
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  Speaker 5: I don't want to get on my nice shirt.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. You got a nice You're going with
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  Speaker 2: the North Carolina colors a lot lately. Somebody tell you
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  Speaker 2: that bring out your eyes.
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  Speaker 5: I'm a big Drake maybe Okay, all.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Uh, but speaking of Drake may he will not
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  Speaker 2: play in this game. It'll be Jacobyers said, well, we
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  Speaker 2: hope is the starter. Yeah, we hope. And uh Gerard
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  Speaker 2: Mayo spoke this just moments ago about the game. Mentioned
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  Speaker 2: their defensive front something that we talked about yesterday. Maybe
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  Speaker 2: the strength of their defense.
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  Speaker 5: Well, certainly the the edge rushers are Yeah, and uh,
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  Speaker 5: I thought Gerard was was right in pointing out it's
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  Speaker 5: not just one a one man show. You know, Sam
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  Speaker 5: Hubbard's pretty good too, So those two guys are going
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  Speaker 5: to be pressing for regardless of who plays tackle. And
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  Speaker 5: Mayo got into that a little bit too.
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  Speaker 2: You mentioned that a couple things that don't quite line up,
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  Speaker 2: but I guess, you know, if you think about it,
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  Speaker 2: I guess they do. But he said the offensive line
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  Speaker 2: will look pretty much like it looked in the Commander's
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  Speaker 2: preseason game. But they're still sorting through.
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  Speaker 5: That, right. And the other thing about that that I'm
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  Speaker 5: not really sure of is city So was injured in
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  Speaker 5: that game. So was he talking about the group that
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  Speaker 5: started the game, you know, probably with David, you know,
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  Speaker 5: with David Andrews and so on and so forth, or
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  Speaker 5: is he talking about the group that finished the you know,
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  Speaker 5: like with with you know, finished the quote unquote first
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  Speaker 5: team reps when so had gone out. So I think there,
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  Speaker 5: I think he's right. Like, I think they're still sorting
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  Speaker 5: some of those things out. Andrews and a win who
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  Speaker 5: will be two of them? Not even sure exactly where
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  Speaker 5: a when who will be, but I'm pretty comfortable that
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  Speaker 5: those will be two of them.
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  Speaker 2: I think a core four will.
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  Speaker 5: Be another one. Yeah, But I'm not exactly sure how
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  Speaker 5: it will all unfold because Venerian Lowe, you know, is
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  Speaker 5: still sort of working his way back, so I'm kind
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  Speaker 5: of getting doubtful on him.
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  Speaker 2: So if you're the Bengals, do you go right at
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  Speaker 2: the Patriots right away? Or do you play a little
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  Speaker 2: ropodope and then like in the second quarter, you just
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  Speaker 2: bring the heat.
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  Speaker 5: And just yeah, And I've said this, and you know,
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  Speaker 5: maybe I'll be wrong about it, but I wouldn't get
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  Speaker 5: too aggressive going after the Patriots quarterbacks. I don't think
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  Speaker 5: you need to. I think you can sort of and
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  Speaker 5: I don't think that Cincinnati necessarily does a lot of that.
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  Speaker 5: They kind of do what they do well, and I
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  Speaker 5: would test the offensive line with my front four and
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  Speaker 5: see what kind of pressure. Now, if it's not working,
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  Speaker 5: if the Patriots are holding up better than people think
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  Speaker 5: they will, then you change, you adjust. That's that's what
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  Speaker 5: Belichick was great at, sort of figuring out how the
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  Speaker 5: game declares early on and adjusting accordingly. But if I
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  Speaker 5: were lou In Arumo, that's twice did that right, I
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  Speaker 5: would let Trey Hendrickson and Sam Harvard go after them
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  Speaker 5: and see if you can pressure those tackles and get
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  Speaker 5: after Jacoby Brissett without having to blitz.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you know, as far as the Patriots
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  Speaker 2: attacking the Bengals, if Chase doesn't play, and so far
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  Speaker 2: it looks like he.
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  Speaker 5: Won't, yeah, I would be surprised at this point. But
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  Speaker 5: today is a big day, you know, it's it's Wednesday,
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  Speaker 5: it's installed day. This is when you get the you know,
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  Speaker 5: the the entirety of the game plan is is established.
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  Speaker 5: So if he misses a Wednesday, and it's a little
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  Speaker 5: different than a normal week for a guy like this,
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  Speaker 5: you know, during the during the you know, let's say
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  Speaker 5: it was week ten and Chase had been playing all
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  Speaker 5: nine weeks. But he's been battling on an ankle spraining
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  Speaker 5: or something, and they kept him out of practice. I
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  Speaker 5: still would think he'd have a chance to play. But
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  Speaker 5: he hasn't done anything all training camp. You know, I'm
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  Speaker 5: sure he's conditioning, but it's not the same. He hasn't
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  Speaker 5: done any eleven on eleven work with the Bengals, and
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  Speaker 5: then you're gonna miss the the install day and not
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  Speaker 5: even take a full week of practice. I think if
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  Speaker 5: he doesn't practice today, I think that's the.
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  Speaker 2: Only solos I would give Bengals fans is you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's still Joe Burrow who and Jamar Chase and they
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  Speaker 2: probably have, you know, some chemistry.
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  Speaker 5: So if Chase plays that, you know, I don't expect
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  Speaker 5: him to be you know, mid season form, but that
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  Speaker 5: will still be a problem.
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  Speaker 2: It will still be a problem. But like I said,
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  Speaker 2: right now, it looks like he's not going to play,
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  Speaker 2: and if he doesn't, even if he well, let's let's
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  Speaker 2: put it this way. Whether he plays or not, I
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  Speaker 2: think a key for the Patriots defense is Christian Gonzales.
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  Speaker 2: You know, can he take whether it's t Higgins or
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  Speaker 2: Jamar Chase, can he go one on one and free
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  Speaker 2: up the rest of that defense.
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  Speaker 5: I agree, and I do think that if Chase doesn't play,
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  Speaker 5: it affords them the luxury of sending multiple people at
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  Speaker 5: t Higgins and making the other guys be because I
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  Speaker 5: don't really think that they have a lot of depth.
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  Speaker 5: They let Tyler Boyd go and they're handing it over
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  Speaker 5: to a young slot guy. I think he's the Princeton
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  Speaker 5: kid that Mike was talking about yesday, andre Yeshivas. I
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  Speaker 5: think is how you pronounce the name. But I'm not
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  Speaker 5: positive on that. They like him, they think he's ready
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  Speaker 5: to go. I think Trenton Irwin is another guy that
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  Speaker 5: they've sort of sporadically put in the offense, and an
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  Speaker 5: old friend, Mike Gasicki, is kind of serving as their
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  Speaker 5: their slot guy out of tight end. I don't think
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  Speaker 5: that's really a receiving corps beyond Chase and Higgins. Now
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  Speaker 5: those are obviously two very good players, but beyond those
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  Speaker 5: two guys, I don't think it's it's a core that
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  Speaker 5: strikes a lot of fear into secondaries. I would think
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  Speaker 5: that they can double team Higgins in that regard and
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  Speaker 5: then make one of those other guys beat him.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they got a titan. Drew sample.
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  Speaker 5: No, but not, He's not gonna like kill you, right.
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  Speaker 5: You know, if Duggar and Pepper's is supposed to be
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  Speaker 5: the strength of your defense, you can't allow tight ends
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  Speaker 5: to kill you, you know.
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  Speaker 2: What I mean?
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  Speaker 5: Like I know that, then neither one of those guys
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  Speaker 5: is necessarily known for the coverage. They're more physical in
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  Speaker 5: the box kind of guy, but they should be able
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  Speaker 5: to handle pedestrian tight ends. I'm not asking them to
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  Speaker 5: take Mark Andrews out of the game or Travis Kelcey
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  Speaker 5: out of the game stuff like that.
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  Speaker 2: So listen. I know that the Bengals have aspirations for
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  Speaker 2: the playoffs and beyond, but I think given its Week one,
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  Speaker 2: given Chase might not play. I give the Patriots a
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  Speaker 2: punchers a puncher's chance.
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  Speaker 5: I think everybody has a puncher's chance in Week one.
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  Speaker 5: I just think there's so and Bill used to talk
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  Speaker 5: about this all the time. There's so much uncertainty heading
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  Speaker 5: into that game because no matter how many times you
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  Speaker 5: go over things and how much you practice it and prepare,
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  Speaker 5: you just don't know what's going to happen. And Bill
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  Speaker 5: always says, there was a game and I don't know
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  Speaker 5: if you remember this, I want to say it was
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  Speaker 5: five oh six somewhere in that area. They opened up
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  Speaker 5: at home right here with Buffalo. You know, on the
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  Speaker 5: first play of the game, Brady got stripsacked by t
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  Speaker 5: Keo Spikes and it was returned for a touchdown. So
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  Speaker 5: like one play into the season, you just turned the
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  Speaker 5: ball over for a touchdown? Like who had that? Who
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  Speaker 5: was prepared for that? And Bill always, you know, talked
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  Speaker 5: about that game. It's a game that they ended up
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  Speaker 5: winning nineteen to seventeen on a late safety. Yeah, Ty Warren,
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  Speaker 5: but you know, Bill will talk about that kind of
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  Speaker 5: stuff like, no matter how much you prepare for it,
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  Speaker 5: you just don't know how the game's gonna unfold. And
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  Speaker 5: I think in week one, week one, that's why Week
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  Speaker 5: one survivor pools are always blood bats.
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  Speaker 2: I think for picking games, week one, week two, and
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  Speaker 2: week seventeen are your toughest. Weeks seventeen is because week two,
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  Speaker 2: you don't know what you saw in week one is
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  Speaker 2: real or not.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree, Yeah, I agree with you.
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  Speaker 2: So we'll get to those picks tomorrow.
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  Speaker 5: I've got to cop out some extra time for that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Do we have a sponsor for the picks yet?
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  Speaker 5: What are you hearing I hear nothing.
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  Speaker 2: I hear nothing.
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  Speaker 5: You know what a shame is to this?
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  Speaker 2: Really we need a pick sponsor.
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  Speaker 5: There's not really a lot of you know, sort of
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  Speaker 5: you know, gambling related websites around anymore, so it's it's probably.
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  Speaker 2: Hard to come up with more sports gambling sites. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and maybe like ex coaches could get jobs on them,
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  Speaker 2: who knows.
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  Speaker 5: You know, like DraftKings sponsor of our postgame show.
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  Speaker 2: Huh?
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  Speaker 5: I said, like DraftKings sponsor of our postgame show.
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  Speaker 2: There you go. Yes. Do we talk about Bill Belichick
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  Speaker 2: and Matt Patricia talking about the Patriots yesterday?
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  Speaker 5: I think we talked about that, But now I guess
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  Speaker 5: he has another gig. Now the thirty third team?
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  Speaker 2: What's that?
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  Speaker 5: It's the website, it's some network they're trying to put together.
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  Speaker 5: And who's then, I don't know. I don't know who's
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  Speaker 5: in charge of it. Thirty thirteen, the thirty third team.
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  Speaker 5: Oh you never get any of those those emails?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: I get those emails all the time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, NFL thirty three, No, the thirty third team, I
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  Speaker 2: don't get those.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, I'll show them to you off Maybe it's an
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  Speaker 5: off air.
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  Speaker 2: Must be on a different newsletter, it could be.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's kind of how it comes as a newsletter. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: and I think he they announced yesterday that he was
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  Speaker 5: part of that too, so he's you know, I don't wonder,
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  Speaker 5: And I mean, I know, you know, we want to
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  Speaker 5: talk about the Patriots and the Bengals and everything. Well,
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  Speaker 5: you know we will. But with all of these different
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  Speaker 5: gigs that he's doing, I think a lot of people
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  Speaker 5: feel like he's trying to put himself in the public light,
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  Speaker 5: show a different side of himself, and you know, to
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  Speaker 5: make himself more attractive. Yeah, I'm starting to wonder if
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  Speaker 5: it really has nothing to do with that and more
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  Speaker 5: to do with I'm pretty content I'm just going to
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  Speaker 5: do this kind of stuff for a couple of years.
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  Speaker 2: Or this year, I'm going to do a bunch of
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  Speaker 2: stuff like and then settle into those one or two things. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Like, because if you look at the things he's doing, like,
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  Speaker 5: I'm not really surprised that he wasn't willing to jump
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  Speaker 5: into say, because I'm sure that he had offers for
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  Speaker 5: like ESPN or Fox.
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  Speaker 2: Well, he had no interest in that because it wasn't
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  Speaker 2: the format that he enjoyed.
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  Speaker 5: Exactly and I'm not really surprised by that, because he
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  Speaker 5: wants this to get in delve into a you know,
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  Speaker 5: a x's and o's thing on the on the board.
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  Speaker 5: He wants to put Drake May up on the board
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  Speaker 5: and break down his game. He can't do that in
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  Speaker 5: like ten second bites in between everybody else on a
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  Speaker 5: panel of six on you know, on say like Fox
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  Speaker 5: or ESPN pregame. So I just wonder if maybe he's
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  Speaker 5: not necessarily looking at the next job, and he's just
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  Speaker 5: kind of trying, as you said, trying to figure out
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  Speaker 5: which in these formats he likes best find his lane
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  Speaker 5: and stay in it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, good for him. He's busy, that's for sure.
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  Speaker 5: I think he's got like five or six different gigs.
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  Speaker 2: So, all right, that's that's Bill. But he was talking
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  Speaker 2: about the Patriots yesterday and and made up He and
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  Speaker 2: Patricia made a point to name all the players that
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  Speaker 2: the Patriots had re signed with the inference said, you know,
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  Speaker 2: these are guys that we brought to the team, and
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  Speaker 2: it's nice that they liked them and decided to resign them.
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  Speaker 5: He's nothing if not petty. Oh, it's one of the
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  Speaker 5: things I really like about him. Because he keeps a list.
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  Speaker 2: It's like he's like me and you, Michael Jordan's he
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  Speaker 2: keeps lists. I'm probably on it, but.
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  Speaker 5: Oh well, I don't think there's much doubt that that
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  Speaker 5: you and I are on it. But I do kind
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  Speaker 5: of appreciate the fact that he's human just like us,
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  Speaker 5: you know, and he remembers when people doubt and mock
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  Speaker 5: and whatnot.
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  Speaker 2: All right, So so back to this game. I think
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  Speaker 2: that Christian Gonzalez is the key for the Patriots defense,
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  Speaker 2: you right, and you know, for the offense. It's easy
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  Speaker 2: to just say Jacoby Brissett, but he's gonna need help.
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  Speaker 5: So reminder Stevenson, we think, yeah, yeah, he did it again,
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  Speaker 5: like Mayo did it again, you know, a half hour ago.
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  Speaker 5: You know, he's talking about the importance of running the
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  Speaker 5: ball and how that's what they're going to have to
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  Speaker 5: rely on. And he's talking about the you know, the
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  Speaker 5: variations of the first down runs. You know, he's telling
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  Speaker 5: you they're going to run the ball on first down two.
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  Speaker 5: And I think that the key would be to get
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  Speaker 5: away from that a little bit, to try to take
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  Speaker 5: the burden off of Jacoby Brissett by throwing the ball
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  Speaker 5: you saying throwing the ball take the burden off the quarterback. Yes,
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  Speaker 5: make it easy, more advantageous for him to have success
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  Speaker 5: with short, easy throws on early downs where maybe you're
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  Speaker 5: playing base defense instead of Hendrickson and Hubbard pinning their
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  Speaker 5: rears back.
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  Speaker 2: To come to question, is is anything easy in this offense?
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  Speaker 2: I mean we let's let's be honest. We saw even
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  Speaker 2: in practice during the preseason sometimes seven on sevens when
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  Speaker 2: no one's tackling and no one's hitting the quarterback, where
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  Speaker 2: it just didn't look right even on these short passes.
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  Speaker 2: You know, So now it's for real. Now these guys
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  Speaker 2: are going to be coming full steamy. No one knows what.
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  Speaker 5: Look at the three preseason games, they didn't have a
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  Speaker 5: single stretch of really strong offensive movements at all. Like
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  Speaker 5: can you like now, I don't really care as much
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  Speaker 5: about the preseason as as much, but it's hard to
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  Speaker 5: ignore it right now with this team because of the
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  Speaker 5: last two years.
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  Speaker 2: The style of offense that they're telling us they're going
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  Speaker 2: to run requires ten twelve play drives to get into
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  Speaker 2: the red zone. You can't you can't count on them
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  Speaker 2: breaking one off.
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  Speaker 5: And that's okay, but what has been the problem with
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  Speaker 5: that mistakes, Yeah, and that.
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  Speaker 2: Way, you know, if we're being objective, that's a hard
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  Speaker 2: way to live for this team because of the penalties
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  Speaker 2: that we've seen them make and you know, just sustaining
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  Speaker 2: and executing for twelve plays. Who knows, maybe they can
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  Speaker 2: do it. I mean, maybe maybe this game will start
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  Speaker 2: and it'll be a whole different Patriots team than we've
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  Speaker 2: seen from from training camp. That would be so again,
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  Speaker 2: I shirt off. My shirt would be like.
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  Speaker 5: I have to admit, like the way training camp started
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  Speaker 5: with all the pre snat penalties and then how much
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  Speaker 5: attention it got, like the players were talking about it,
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  Speaker 5: the coaches were talking about it. I kind of assumed,
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  Speaker 5: after you know, a day or two, this is going
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  Speaker 5: this is gonna be a point of embassy. This is
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  Speaker 5: going to get cleaned up. It never got cleaned up
• 16:28
  Speaker 5: right down to the last preseason and.
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: Now we haven't seen the last two weeks of practice.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: But you know, I don't know how much you can
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: rectify in two weeks. But again, it's it's all a mystery.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: We don't know what this offense is going to look like.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: We can make guesses from what we've seen, but nobody
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: knows for sure. Nobody really knows for sure what the
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: defense is.
• 16:50
  Speaker 8: Going to be.
• 16:51
  Speaker 5: And I do think there's a chance that Van Pelt
• 16:54
  Speaker 5: does have that familiarity with Cincinnati's defense and maybe he
• 16:58
  Speaker 5: can come out early. It's some things that he thinks
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: will be successful against that defense, and there's a little
• 17:05
  Speaker 5: bit of an advantage there for him because he's going
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: against similar personnel that he's gone against with different personnel.
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: So Cincinnati doesn't have the same book on Van Pelt
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: that Van Pelt has on in Rumo.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: Well, it's always the chess game, you know, he knows
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: what we know that he knows, you know. So, but
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: Evan had some good stats. I think the Bengals are
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: like one in three to start a season.
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: Again, I don't really understand what that has to do
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: with this week. It really doesn't do. I mean, but
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: it's like the Patriots haven't covered in an opening day
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: and forever, like but people love None of those guys
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: are here, I know, So who do you bet that?
• 17:41
  Speaker 5: Because both have terrible trends, I know, do you know
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: what I mean? Like, I think if you're looking at
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: numbers and we'll get a lot more into this tomorrow.
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: I think you'll open at nine and a half, and
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: I've seen it as low as seven and a half.
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: So people are putting money on the Patriots.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 17:55
  Speaker 8: You know.
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: I don't know if they think they're going to cover
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: to win outright or just cover, but it does seem
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: like my initial reaction, that's a pretty high number on
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: opening day. Yeah, especially with the whole Chase situation. If
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: Chase were playing, like.
• 18:08
  Speaker 9: If Chase were playing what's bringing it down?
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: If Chase was playing all of camp, I think I
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: would say I think I made this comment yesterday, you said,
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: I'm trying to set myself up. I just think they
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: would have a hard time keeping up. Yeah, you know,
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: I think they'd be knocking on the door of thirty
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: if they had Chase and Higgins full bore ready to go.
• 18:27
  Speaker 5: I don't I don't think they'll they'll be like that. Yeah,
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: I don't think they'll be like that unless the Patriots
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: offense gives Cincinnati a little help.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: Watching the US Open a little d see Roger Goodell.
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: Asmad Doog would say, ye, Goodell.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: He was in a suite chatting it up with all
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: the muckety MUCKs at the US open.
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: So I made an observation last night, and Beth laughed
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: out loud. Did you see when they were showing Federer
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: during the tiaffle Man And I might not this might
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: not be original, but Federal just looks to me like
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: a Bond villain. Yeah, is that people think that of him?
• 19:05
  Speaker 8: Oh?
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so I'm not the only okay, oh yeah, just
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: he looks like a Bond Villain's just started cracking up.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: There's a million of pictures of him on the internet
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: in a tuxed Okay, you know, because you have after Wimbledon,
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: you have to dress up. They have the and you're
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: dressed in a tuxedo. So there's all kinds of pictures
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: of him in tuxedos and stuff. Yeah, he's got that
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: international continental look, you know, cosmopolitan cosmopolitan look. Yeah.
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, So what do we think we got two Americans
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: in a semi love you're going to have one in
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: the final, no matter what. Would you rather have them
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: not facing each other in the semis? So there was
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: a chance that they could both win? No, No, you
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: like the guarantee?
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the odds are that.
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: Well, Center would probably the other one.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's one I like to I like the guarantee
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: of an American. There hasn't been an American in the
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: Open finals for like, I think twenty years. I think
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: it's oh six, something like that. Yeah, Andy Roddick, Yeah,
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: something like that. So anyway, talking tennis here.
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: Well that's because Fred has his tennis attire.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: I have my FeelA shirt on. Yes, I promised it yesterday.
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: And he delivered.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: Made me laugh out loud when I watched in the studio.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: Old school Borg shirt.
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: Yes, absolutely.
• 20:19
  Speaker 8: Ye.
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: You know my brother would have gotten along very well.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: He was a huge board guy, love board.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: You know, he retired like at twenty five.
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but you know, have you watched I'm sure you have.
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: You've watched that, like the McEnroe Borg documentary that, Like
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: I always thought they just kind of like he just
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: didn't want to play anymore. He kind of got burnt
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: out and didn't my life. He lost when he he left,
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: when he when he lost, like oh yeah, suddenly McEnroe
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: was better than him and he took off. He couldn't
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: take it. Yeah, Like I never realized that was growing up.
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: I always thought he just was like one of those
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: guys that you know what I don't really like to
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: do this anymore.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: Well, I think that was.
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: Part of it, but it was because he was losing.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: Well, he realized what it was going to take to
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: compete with, you know, in particular McEnroe, and he just said,
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: I can't do it anymore.
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that was a good documentary.
• 21:04
  Speaker 8: Though.
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: McEnroe is an interesting guy because he was so hated
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: when he played, but now everybody loves him.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, people realize like probably on all these line calls,
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: he was right. You know, he probably was. I don't
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: blame him.
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: Well, plus like tough upbringing, like his father was tough
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: on him. You ever read that book, you read the
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: mc and roe biography.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: I didn't read the biography, but I know of his father.
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: Fans are gonna love this segment, little little US Open
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: slash Tennis history talk.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: That's a right. Well, I just I brought it up
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: because Goodell was at the internal last night. You know.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: You wonder like years ago on Labor Day weekend, CBS
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: would have the US Open, so they'd have the one
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: o'clock game, but they give.
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: Away they didn't have the la No four o'clock window.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: And now with the promise of eighteen games, there thinking
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: they're going to take back Labor Day the NFL, and
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: you know, because they're going to need that extra week
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: and they might have to ask at a bye week,
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: so they're really going to need that extra week. I
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: wonder if you know good Dell is already talking to
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: you know, ESPN or whoever. Hey, this is how we're
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: going to work out that Labor Day weekend with you all.
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: You know, so let me ask you this. Well, you know,
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: the league kicks off tomorrow night. We talked a little
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: bit about Kansas City and Baltimore. Yesterday I put up
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: just you know, kind of like a over overatching like
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: season preview type stuff, you know, with picks and you know,
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: award winners.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: Who do you like for MVP for the league?
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, prediction for MVP, Like That's what I put
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: in my notebook yesterday. I just kind of do it all.
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: You know. It's like everybody else you know, means nothing,
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: but you know, some predictions for for awards and whatnot
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: and division winners things like that. Fans like that stuff. Friends.
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: You know what, you always accuse me of not worrying
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: about the clickbait. That's clickbait. Everybody, everybody clicks on a
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: you know, a prediction.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: I mean, the first thing you try to do is, all, right,
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: who do you think is going to be the best
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: team and who's going to be the most valuable player
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: on that team?
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: So I have my most boring pick ever, like Patrick Mahomes. Yeah, yeah,
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: So I just felt like, you know, I can try
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: to go outside the box, but I just feel like
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: he's like the best player on the best team. And
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: what he did last year to me was so Brady
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: esque of just dragging a team that really wasn't all
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: that great note offensively anyway, the defense was pretty good.
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: But I feel like, if you know that was a chance,
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: you got to get them when they're down, you got
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: to get him.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think I'm hoping and I'm predicting that Kansas
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: City has a drop off. There could be going for
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: three in a row. The odds against that you pick
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: the field something.
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: Like that, I would pick against them.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's why you know I won't go with
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: the obvious pick there. Also, sometimes with these things, you
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: look for the emerging team. Who's the team that you know,
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: maybe it's Detroit that goes all the way.
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: And I have Detroit in the super Bowl. But yeah,
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: I mean they were in the conference championship last year.
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: It's not But if that's.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: The case, does Jared Goff get the nod for m
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: v P?
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: You know, yeah, I didn't. I didn't give him much consideration,
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: but I did hear something this morning that bodes well
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: for Detroit. They have an absurd amount of indoor games Detroit,
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: and that's that's the key for golf. Yeah, he's a
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: different guy outside, especially if the weather's bad. Yeah, so
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: that that could that could bode well for him. I
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: mean if the Bengals, I had Joe Borrow last year
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: and then he ends up he came out of camp
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: hurt and then he got hurt again, right, so it
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: never you know, even had a chance. He had his
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: worst season. So that was a bad pick.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: Who you know, like if the forty nine ers finally
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: get over the hump, well, not that you haven't got
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: to the super Bowl. But McCaffrey, yeah, he he, you know,
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: he's an obvious choice.
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: I picked Tyreek Hill for Offensive Player of the Year
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: because McCaffrey's wonted like he wanted to hard to repeat
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: those words. I think people they like to change.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: It up you got ceedee lamb.
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: You know, yeah, he was in the hunt.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:21
  Speaker 10: Oh.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: By the way, Patrick's certain agreed to a big deal today.
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah yeah.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: So deals are still being made right up to the deadline.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: So I guess there's hope for Chase.
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah. I mean there's no like he wasn't holding
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: out though, was he.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know. It was just an extension.
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: I think, yeah, this is weird, so something I thought
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: that that might spur some action. I don't know if
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: you heard did you see any of the Trent Williams stuff.
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: Trent Williams we talked about yesterday. He signed and he
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: got a big deal finally, you know, he came in,
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: he got his he got some guaranteed money. It was
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: pretty team friendly after all that. But he he had
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: some interesting comments. You know, we didn't mention, you know,
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: the situation with Ricky pearsall, their rookie wide receiver who
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: got shot over the weekend and you know, ultimately got
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: placed on NFI so he's going to miss at least
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: four games. But Trent Williams said that affected him and
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: he was like, what am I holding out for when
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: these kinds of things are going on, and he said
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: he thought it was important to get back and try
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: to help the supportive of Pearsall. And you know, I
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: understand that it's still about money. He still got a
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: lot of money. I'm not trying to make Trent Williams
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: out to be Mother Teresa here, But I just wonder
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: if maybe a guy like Chase takes a step back.
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: Maybe he heard that, maybe he didn't, and maybe he
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: looks at it and say, yeah, you know what, there
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: are more important things to worry about. Because with Chase
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: and I love Jamar Chase. I think he's a tremendous player.
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: But Ceedee Lamb got his big deal, justin Jefferson got
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: his big deal, and there have been other guys. They
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: get him. They get them now they're four years they
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: were getting ready to play on their fifth the eruption.
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: Chase is a year early. He's only played three years
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: in his fourth year. Yes, so thank goodness we have
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: Mike orsoa save us from our tennis.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: Talk makes it a little bit more complimentd.
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: So I just wonder, and like I thought that, Mike,
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: did you see the Trent Williams stuff with him talking
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: about the impact that the Ricky parasol shooting had He's like,
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: you know, I took a step back, and I don't know,
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: like what am I doing? You know, there's more important
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: things than really contract. And again he got he got money,
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: So I'm not trying to say he came back for
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: nothing because of his fallen teammate. But I just wondered
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: if may like a guy like like Jamar Chase, you know,
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: looks at that and says, yeah, I am a year early,
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: and you know what if something like this happens or
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: the other way around, like, you know, I need the
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: money now because you never know, you know, how it unfolds.
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: You didn't see that, No, I did not see that.
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: I was I was just in the locker room, I know.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: And so what's the spread und go ahead.
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: Mood?
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: Oh, the mood was a little serious. I would say
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: no music, but maybe no business of practice.
• 28:10
  Speaker 6: So we talked to to Juwan Bentley and Jonathan Jones,
• 28:13
  Speaker 6: two veteran leaders of the Defense, and Bentley is always
• 28:16
  Speaker 6: pretty serious, but uh, you know, it's just you kind
• 28:19
  Speaker 6: of see like my guy Pepper's that you know. There
• 28:21
  Speaker 6: wasn't a lot of joking around, at least on the
• 28:22
  Speaker 6: defensive side of all. Wasn't you know, overwhelming serious. But
• 28:25
  Speaker 6: I just thought those couple of guys that spoke seemed uh,
• 28:27
  Speaker 6: you know, pretty locked in, sounding like they're preparing for Chase.
• 28:30
  Speaker 6: As Mao said earlier, like he's gonna play. That's what
• 28:33
  Speaker 6: Jonathan Jones said, you know, just saying what a good
• 28:36
  Speaker 6: player he is. So yeah, you know, a little bit
• 28:38
  Speaker 6: of a mood. It's a little bit of a different
• 28:39
  Speaker 6: set up here going to the locker room before you
• 28:41
  Speaker 6: guys are okay, you guys, it was like the old
• 28:43
  Speaker 6: old days.
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: Well that's sweet. So we went back to our roots
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: and we carried the show the way we do every
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: other day. But you know, this was only.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: Two of us today.
• 28:50
  Speaker 6: Well we'll get having a practices at one, so I
• 28:52
  Speaker 6: think he'll he'll go out there and yeah, we'll see
• 28:54
  Speaker 6: what the get an injury report today and and.
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: A lot of stuff. It's happening. It's happening, Mike, It's happened.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: It's all who was the major scrum today?
• 29:03
  Speaker 6: Bentley was the first one, and Jones and otherwise it's, uh,
• 29:07
  Speaker 6: you know, it's not so much scrums.
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: It's kind of going back to how it was My
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: first year.
• 29:11
  Speaker 6: Where reporters are kind of floating around and you know,
• 29:14
  Speaker 6: talking to guys, and guys seem pretty willing to tell.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: I think at least I be. You know, I've been
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: into the locker room this year a few times, and
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: it seems like there's more players available. Yeah, like in
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: the past, there'd be like two or three players there,
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, everybody there. They'd leave and then maybe one
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: of them would come in.
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: I think this is more like the timing is more
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: like the old days. I agree with you, Fred. I
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: also thought, and I don't know how you guys feel
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: about this, what was it like today with the media,
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: like the huge because I've noticed this was the first
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: day that locker room was opened that I didn't go in.
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: I feel like there's been fewer, fewer media people here. Now.
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: Today's Wednesday. That's always the huge day. All the TV,
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: all the TV usually.
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: That is true.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: Believe me, you don't think I think some of these
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: guys this is like they're only little supplement in the
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: media right in the media, I think some of them,
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: But yeah, Wednesday's always the biggest day by far from media.
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: There's all the TV cameras here and they get all
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: their stuff for the week and they sort of cycle
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: through it. But I just anecdotally. I definitely the other
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: day it was not a very big media group.
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: Now it was big today. Andy Hart was there. I
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: guess he's.
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: A little bit and he says that he's I.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: Can see him. I'm gonna be I'm going to be
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: in the locker room.
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: No, he says.
• 30:38
  Speaker 11: No.
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: He says he's going to try to make it. H
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: make an effort to get in the locker room once
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: once a week. And what about the other song? As
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: long as he can get back and forth. Well, I
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: think he'll probably do a little a little of that
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: as well. I don't know, like if he'll do it
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: every week, and he already said he goes, I'll probably
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: get sick of that because it just makes it for
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: a really long day.
• 31:01
  Speaker 6: He's got to drive to Dartmouth to wherever we yeah is,
• 31:04
  Speaker 6: back to here, back to ee.
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: Well he'll drive from from Dartmouth to here.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: To so EI doesn't provide him a car service.
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you can't. Do You think they should.
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: Drive afternoon show? They should?
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: I should have a driver. Yeah, he'll probably need a
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: bodyguard eventually.
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: Now it's Uh, I would just say that, Paul. Really,
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: it's definitely.
• 31:22
  Speaker 6: More access to these guys in the locker room as
• 31:25
  Speaker 6: it's set up, but I you.
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: Know, timing is just so much.
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: Oh, it's much better being able to write.
• 31:29
  Speaker 6: It's also just I think it's good for the players
• 31:31
  Speaker 6: because they're just kind of getting ready for practice.
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: So it's you know, there's when it used to be
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: in the afternoon, everybody would kind of leave and.
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: You're all looking to get home. Yeah, So just think
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: about that from a logistical standpoint. If you're a player,
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: you got them in a locker room to get dressed
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: to go out to practice, as opposed to I'm getting
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: undressed to go home. Yeah. Right, what do you think
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: is going to cause a player to linger in the
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: locker room a little bit longer?
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: Definitely not the media.
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: And definitely not the urgency to get out to practice.
• 32:01
  Speaker 6: Right. It is funny though, you see some of the
• 32:03
  Speaker 6: guys different, like how they get ready for practice, Like
• 32:05
  Speaker 6: some guys are showering, other you know to.
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: Bentley about that because you and I have sort of been.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: Who showers before practice?
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: I know a few guys do actually, but.
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: You and I were talking about Bentley just seems to
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: like comes in and it's like you look at the
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: clock and like, don't they have practice in like ten minutes?
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: And he's just like changing. Is like Clark Kenton.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: Where the quarterback? Would you insist your center shower before practice?
• 32:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah, especially with the loofa, you know, clean things out
• 32:31
  Speaker 6: down there on the top of my hands.
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: Brady did.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: So you were at your rod, I wasn't rug and
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: you heard him talking about the offensive line, how they're
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: still working through it. It could look similar to what
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: we saw in the Commanders and we were trying to
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: figure out is that before so get hurt or after.
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: You know what I mean, the group that started or
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: the group that basically had to play with the ones. Yeah,
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: I mean I wonder what that meant.
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: I think I think Low to me is just the
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: big piece. I mean, and that's been out there, right,
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: I mean he was he was out there.
• 33:03
  Speaker 6: So wasn't out there on Monday last press, but Low
• 33:06
  Speaker 6: was watching. And I don't know how you would turn
• 33:09
  Speaker 6: that limited participation.
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: I guess.
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: My guess is they're both going to be well, there
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: might be out there might be d n P today.
• 33:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean that's interesting, but it sounds like regardless,
• 33:21
  Speaker 6: they're gonna they're gonna rotate some guys.
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: And I mean they, you know, brought in the monstrous tackle.
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: How do you put it? The other day, like it
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: would be naive to think you're going to get the
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: play and all these guys are going to play the
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: whole game. Yeah, up front, And Bill used to do
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: that too.
• 33:37
  Speaker 8: You know.
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: Bill often rotated lineman on the early weeks, and you know,
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: and then you kind of settle into your five.
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: The other giant offensive lineman, I apologized, I don't have
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: his name in front of me. Sixty walks through the
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: locker room.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: It's a little guy the Vibes signed.
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they just signed him up.
• 33:55
  Speaker 6: And then they previously signed another offensive tackle with similar size.
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: So I don't know if that's something than that they
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: like or if that's just what was available.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: Didn't they sign uh Farley what's his name? They had
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: him at it for a workout.
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: I like that workout, by the way. I like the
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: idea of that. That's a Belichick like total inquiry. You know,
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: first round pick, there's talent there hasn't worked out. Doesn't
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: matter to us why it hasn't worked out. Let's see
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: if there's talent.
• 34:21
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean how many times have we talked about
• 34:23
  Speaker 6: cornerback depth on the show, you know, And that's something
• 34:25
  Speaker 6: I think that maybe if that guy you take a
• 34:27
  Speaker 6: flyer on him, is he better than.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: Marko Wilson, highly touted coming it's your first round pick. Yeah,
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: I know, it's a.
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: Real back injury, like serious back injury. Though I think we're.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: Probably we've dealt with guys with back injuries before it
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: worked out for Gronk.
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: Mike.
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: Maybe you've heard of Kronka.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: I'm not a fan, right, what else? What else did
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: you glean from Gerar today?
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: You know?
• 34:47
  Speaker 6: I think it was more just philosophical of like it's
• 34:50
  Speaker 6: really starting now, Like all the stuff we talk about
• 34:52
  Speaker 6: all summer, it's all fun and like, you know, but
• 34:54
  Speaker 6: it's another none of it really actually matters, and like
• 34:57
  Speaker 6: a game is truth, like this is We're going to
• 34:58
  Speaker 6: get truth this weekend, whatever way it goes, and then
• 35:01
  Speaker 6: that's gonna just start the narrator. We're almost gonna start fresh.
• 35:04
  Speaker 6: So in some ways, this last few days feel like,
• 35:06
  Speaker 6: you know, just I don't know, kind of a throwaway
• 35:09
  Speaker 6: period of like, all right, we know everything we've talked
• 35:11
  Speaker 6: about it all summer. Let's just get these guys out
• 35:13
  Speaker 6: there and see a game. And I don't I kind
• 35:14
  Speaker 6: of got that vibe of these guys. You know, they're ready.
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: They're they're sick of practice and going against each other.
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: They're ready to I.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: Mean, they talked all summer about we're going to be
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: a running team, and he repeated it today. Yep, we're
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: gonna have to run the ball. And we were talking
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: about who are your keys on offensive defense. We both
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: agree Ramandre Stevens, Yeah, has to be a key on
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: if if they're true to the work. Yeah, you know,
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: maybe they're throwing us a curve ball and they're gonna,
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: you know, throw the ball all day. But I doubt that.
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: I can't imagine a first half that he doesn't get
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: ten carrias. Yeah, sure, you know, Like, I'm not gonna
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: tell you he's gonna get twenty twenty five carriers for
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: the game because I don't know what the score is
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: going to be. But I think I can almost guarantee
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: you he's going to see a lot of action early.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: In the game.
• 35:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah, And I think they'll put Gibson in there a
• 35:55
  Speaker 6: lot too, Like I mean, I think it'll be pretty
• 35:57
  Speaker 6: healthy balance between them, you know, a little bit more
• 36:00
  Speaker 6: skewed towards Remandre. But yeah, just what's it going to
• 36:03
  Speaker 6: look like? I mean, I thought Tommy Curran had a
• 36:04
  Speaker 6: good question this morning, directly asking Girod something that we've
• 36:08
  Speaker 6: all talked about of you know, do you have how
• 36:10
  Speaker 6: different is this wide zone scheme from what you guys
• 36:13
  Speaker 6: have been doing the last couple of years, because that's
• 36:15
  Speaker 6: all we talked about in twenty twenty two was Maddy
• 36:17
  Speaker 6: Peas in here he's trying to put the San Francisco
• 36:18
  Speaker 6: offense in. They were there, you know, and we saw,
• 36:20
  Speaker 6: I mean, not to do comparison, but I mean remember
• 36:23
  Speaker 6: that practice where it was like they're they're trying it again.
• 36:26
  Speaker 6: I mean it was just over and over they're trying
• 36:27
  Speaker 6: to rep it and they never quite could get it. So,
• 36:30
  Speaker 6: you know, in that and as well as asking Girod,
• 36:32
  Speaker 6: do these guys fit that system and what you're trying
• 36:35
  Speaker 6: to do? So, I don't know, I thought his answer
• 36:37
  Speaker 6: to answer was interesting of like there's really only what
• 36:40
  Speaker 6: six runs I think is what he said. I was
• 36:42
  Speaker 6: waiting for Evan to be like, what, like that's not true?
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: You know, Fred read that quote to me and I
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: was like, he's like, you know the gap this, yeah,
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: and then trick runs, Tricky run yeah, trick. Well that
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: sounds like a lot, right, Like sounds like plural.
• 36:57
  Speaker 6: I'm like, dude, I mean duo inside, like I've acquired
• 37:01
  Speaker 6: a little bit of knowledge, you know, the.
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: Jets switch, Jets sweep. But I just I want to
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: see how it all.
• 37:07
  Speaker 6: Belly belly oh man, those are the high school playbook, right,
• 37:12
  Speaker 6: hated belly belly?
• 37:14
  Speaker 8: Oh?
• 37:14
  Speaker 6: Hi, Matt, So yeah, no, we're I think we're off.
• 37:18
  Speaker 6: It's the first Wednesday, and we'll get you Kobe this afternoon.
• 37:20
  Speaker 6: So I just I'm liking this new schedule and hopefully it's.
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: The new schedule is fantastic for all involved. But are
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: you at all surprised, Mike that Mayo continues to sort
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: of say how well they've run the ball?
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: Yes, summer seems like he's leaning into it for sure.
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's uh like you think they've had their moments.
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: I just don't think the Washington game was really the
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: only time that they ran the ball well. And I
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: think they ran the ball very well against Washington.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I and the whole talent practice I mean I can't.
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I can.
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: When there's a guy hitting the guy before he gets
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: to the line of scam, it's not a good run.
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: So that there wasn't you know that, And it was
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: an awful lot of it there.
• 37:59
  Speaker 6: Was, And I think think the ones that were open
• 38:02
  Speaker 6: kind of stood out. And I think they had a
• 38:03
  Speaker 6: good couple of days here and there.
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: I mean, I wouldn't say.
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: I just thought they were few and far between on
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: the practice field. Now against Washington, if that's what, if
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: they can run the ball like that.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: I can't tell in practice.
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: It's almost like you was pretty tell yourself that because
• 38:16
  Speaker 6: you've been saying all summer, we have to run the
• 38:17
  Speaker 6: ball this off so you know, you have to hope,
• 38:20
  Speaker 6: I mean, because if you can't run the ball, you
• 38:22
  Speaker 6: feel like this whole offense.
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: And I would just argue, like, you know, my my
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: tired trope of you know, teams that run the ball.
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: They ran the ball really well against Washington, right average
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: over five yards to carry and they did it for
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: all four quarters, especially early in the game. How many
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: points they score, right, yeah? Ten? Now it's hard to
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: it's hard to score that way.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: Well, And we were talking about if if you are
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: going to pound the ball, you're talking about sustained drives.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: You're talking about ten to twelve play drives. And that's
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: tough for this team, at least from what we've seen
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: with the mistakes they've made. Absolutely and executing on every play.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: You have to be fundamentally sound to you know, sustain
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: those drives. Especially maybe we'll all be surprised, maybe they'll
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: come out and there'll be a different team that we've
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: seen in these preseason games.
• 39:09
  Speaker 6: I think you hit on it, Fred, because that's I
• 39:10
  Speaker 6: think something that Paul and I talked about a lot
• 39:12
  Speaker 6: when we were, you know, doing the pregame shows, was
• 39:14
  Speaker 6: just that you have no sense of if they're able
• 39:17
  Speaker 6: to string those ten play twelve play drives together because
• 39:20
  Speaker 6: you haven't really seen a lot in practice of you
• 39:24
  Speaker 6: know where it's just live and I mean, and granted
• 39:26
  Speaker 6: I don't totally put all my stock in that, but
• 39:28
  Speaker 6: you just haven't really seen it. It's a lot of
• 39:30
  Speaker 6: new pieces. How are they going to be able to
• 39:32
  Speaker 6: just suddenly come up with it? This week against the Bengals,
• 39:34
  Speaker 6: we'll see.
• 39:35
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  Speaker 2: All right, my food's here. Paul no longer eats. Very
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: upset about that.
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: My doctor was happy time.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: What's that?
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: My doctor was very happy with me?
• 40:32
  Speaker 8: Too?
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: Good for you? That's good. That's good.
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: Paul has nothing to do with that, you know?
• 40:36
  Speaker 8: That?
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: Was it going to the michelob Ultras last night.
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: I might have. I'll give you a little preview tomorrow.
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: I think that the set might look a little different
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: tomorrow when we're doing picks. I will be taking part
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: in lunch. Oh okay, we have the other desk.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: This is a This is all a protest because you
• 40:54
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• 40:56
  Speaker 5: It's not a protest. It's just not conducive to eating.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: I manage you do figure it out.
• 41:01
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• 41:04
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  Speaker 12: It's type for another episode of Patch from the Past podcast,
• 42:32
  Speaker 12: Matt Smith along with.
• 42:33
  Speaker 9: Paul Rollo, please to be joined by number twenty eight.
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: Can you believe that number twenty eight?
• 42:37
  Speaker 9: It is great to see Corey Dylon here. Corey, thanks
• 42:41
  Speaker 9: for joining us man, thanks for having me.
• 42:43
  Speaker 12: Really appreciate it. It's great to see you. It's been a while.
• 42:46
  Speaker 12: I know you came back in December. I think last year.
• 42:49
  Speaker 12: You're here today you're going into the Bengals Ring of
• 42:53
  Speaker 12: Honor or Hall of Fame. It seems like you're reconnecting
• 42:57
  Speaker 12: with the franchises that you played with, and that's got
• 42:59
  Speaker 12: to make you feel great.
• 43:00
  Speaker 8: Yeah, it's been a it's been a long time coming.
• 43:03
  Speaker 8: I kind of went.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: Off the.
• 43:06
  Speaker 8: Reservation of this Sun and same for for many years.
• 43:09
  Speaker 8: So just just getting back and coming back around the organizations,
• 43:15
  Speaker 8: it's a it's a good feeling.
• 43:17
  Speaker 5: So the full disclosure, we did try to get you
• 43:18
  Speaker 5: in December too, that's one of our one of our
• 43:21
  Speaker 5: few failures.
• 43:21
  Speaker 9: Yes, yes, you're right, Paul.
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: We didn't get them the first time around.
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: But it is great.
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: I would echo what Matt said, you know, we're going
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: to get into the two thousand and four season, but
• 43:29
  Speaker 5: that is a that is one that I think has
• 43:32
  Speaker 5: a special place in the heart of a lot of
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: people in this area. That that twenty and four team
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: was a special team and you know, I'm really looking
• 43:41
  Speaker 5: forward to getting some of your man.
• 43:43
  Speaker 8: It was. It was great to be a part of
• 43:44
  Speaker 8: that team.
• 43:45
  Speaker 6: Man.
• 43:45
  Speaker 8: There's so many Hall of Fame caliber players on that team.
• 43:50
  Speaker 8: It's it's it's crazy. That's that's one of the favorite
• 43:55
  Speaker 8: teams out of my whole career I played for and dude,
• 43:58
  Speaker 8: I had a great time. That was That was one
• 44:00
  Speaker 8: hell of a run.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: So let's get to it.
• 44:02
  Speaker 12: You're at April, it's before the draft. Were there conversations
• 44:06
  Speaker 12: going on. Did you think that that was a possibility
• 44:09
  Speaker 12: or did it catch you off guard?
• 44:11
  Speaker 8: No, Man, to be honest, I'm at home. I'm thinking
• 44:14
  Speaker 8: like worst case scenario type things. So I'm thinking, like, man,
• 44:17
  Speaker 8: I may have to sit out a year or whatever.
• 44:22
  Speaker 8: I think. I think the Raiders was real serious about
• 44:25
  Speaker 8: bringing me in, and and that was that was my
• 44:28
  Speaker 8: first first option, and that's what I was thinking, like, Man,
• 44:31
  Speaker 8: I might be going to Oakland. So to actually get
• 44:35
  Speaker 8: the call from my agent was like and he told
• 44:38
  Speaker 8: me like this. He was just like, pack a bag,
• 44:40
  Speaker 8: We're going to Boston. And I said for what? You know,
• 44:45
  Speaker 8: I don't like for what we were going to bost for.
• 44:47
  Speaker 8: And he just told me, man, shut up, just pack
• 44:49
  Speaker 8: a back and meet me at the airport. So actually
• 44:53
  Speaker 8: coming down here and and meeting with Bill and Scott Pioli, Man,
• 44:57
  Speaker 8: we had a great conversation and and it was simple, man,
• 45:00
  Speaker 8: it didn't take that long. It was just like, hey,
• 45:03
  Speaker 8: you know, what do you think you could play for us?
• 45:06
  Speaker 8: I said absolutely. We shook hands and that was that
• 45:10
  Speaker 8: was it. And the rest is history.
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: So at the end in Cincinnati, you know, we we
• 45:17
  Speaker 5: you know, we're only watching from afar, you know, so
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: we're seeing the highlights where you know, we're hearing the
• 45:21
  Speaker 5: you know, the chatter, and we were like, well, does
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: this guy really want to play? But it got to
• 45:26
  Speaker 5: the point where it was so bad for you with
• 45:29
  Speaker 5: that organization that you you felt strongly enough as you
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: just said that, you you thought you might just sit
• 45:34
  Speaker 5: out rather than play for them again. It must have
• 45:37
  Speaker 5: been it must have felt like a rebirth to come
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: here and play for for the Patriots.
• 45:41
  Speaker 8: Oh dude, it was so refreshing, you know, just coming
• 45:45
  Speaker 8: from the situation I came in. We were at ends,
• 45:48
  Speaker 8: odds ends about just what transpired that whole year. So,
• 45:53
  Speaker 8: you know what, I'm coming off an injury and and
• 45:58
  Speaker 8: just some of the stuff that was going on during
• 45:59
  Speaker 8: that year, I mean just compounded the situation. So actually
• 46:04
  Speaker 8: to get a fresh new start and actually come to
• 46:08
  Speaker 8: an organization that winning is everything, I embraced that That's
• 46:13
  Speaker 8: what I wanted to do.
• 46:14
  Speaker 9: Did you have any preconceived notions?
• 46:16
  Speaker 12: I mean, it feels like it's almost like a get
• 46:18
  Speaker 12: out of jail free card for you. Maybe you'd have
• 46:20
  Speaker 12: accepted to go anyplace host it, Bill, Yeah.
• 46:25
  Speaker 9: But here you're coming to the defending super Bowl champions.
• 46:28
  Speaker 9: You don't know anything about the organization other than they're
• 46:30
  Speaker 9: the defending champs. What was your feeling coming.
• 46:32
  Speaker 8: In, Ah, Man, that was a lot of anxiety, to
• 46:35
  Speaker 8: be honest with you, because you don't know what to expect.
• 46:38
  Speaker 8: They already got something in place and they're rolling, and
• 46:41
  Speaker 8: then you got this. You got this notion of like
• 46:45
  Speaker 8: what they really need me for? They just want the
• 46:46
  Speaker 8: super Bowl, you know what I mean? So I think
• 46:50
  Speaker 8: some people think it's easy to be traded to a
• 46:54
  Speaker 8: super Bowl champion. Man, there's more pressure on you to
• 46:58
  Speaker 8: make your mark and to contribute to that, to that team.
• 47:02
  Speaker 8: So I mean I embraced that situation as well. I
• 47:06
  Speaker 8: just wanted to come in and, you know what, do
• 47:08
  Speaker 8: my part. And for the most part, man, my teammates
• 47:13
  Speaker 8: were great. They accepted me, The organization accepted me. Bill,
• 47:17
  Speaker 8: let me do my theme, man, So it kind of
• 47:19
  Speaker 8: worked out.
• 47:20
  Speaker 5: So that's interesting that you had some anxiety coming in.
• 47:23
  Speaker 5: Really interesting, right, So what was you know what you
• 47:26
  Speaker 5: said that they really accepted you. What was the moment
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: that you sort of felt accepted.
• 47:31
  Speaker 8: Well, hey, some of these players already knew right, so
• 47:35
  Speaker 8: that that kind of that kind of bridged the gap
• 47:37
  Speaker 8: of getting comfortable, meaning that.
• 47:40
  Speaker 12: You could play like in two thousand and one, they
• 47:43
  Speaker 12: had to face him, you know, the kinised.
• 47:47
  Speaker 8: Yeah, so I mean, just breaking the eyes and getting
• 47:50
  Speaker 8: to know these guys, and I mean just coming here
• 47:53
  Speaker 8: doing training camp and us joking around and getting familiar
• 47:58
  Speaker 8: with each other, we kind of, you know, everybody was
• 48:00
  Speaker 8: just like, oh, okay, so some of the things I
• 48:03
  Speaker 8: hear ain't what they are, you know what I mean.
• 48:06
  Speaker 8: So yeah, I mean I'm pretty sure coming in due
• 48:11
  Speaker 8: to the fact that how less Cincinnati, they were like,
• 48:16
  Speaker 8: can we trust him? Can is he gonna be able
• 48:18
  Speaker 8: to fit any with us? Can he does? You know,
• 48:20
  Speaker 8: just things like that of that nature, and just coming
• 48:23
  Speaker 8: in and they seeing my personality like I'm just like them,
• 48:26
  Speaker 8: I think kind of broke the eyes and we started
• 48:30
  Speaker 8: we started yelling and they let me do my thing.
• 48:32
  Speaker 9: So there was an acclamation period, definitely training camp, preseason maybe.
• 48:37
  Speaker 8: Okay, definitely, I mean, and then on top of that,
• 48:40
  Speaker 8: I'm pretty sure people was still thinking wondering if I
• 48:43
  Speaker 8: could play as well. So yeah, so it was it
• 48:46
  Speaker 8: was a lot of things going on, a lot of
• 48:48
  Speaker 8: things that have anxiety about, to be honest with you,
• 48:51
  Speaker 8: but just being me and my personality, nothing I couldn't handle.
• 48:55
  Speaker 8: And I think I came in and fit in with
• 48:57
  Speaker 8: the guys good.
• 48:58
  Speaker 5: Was it really quick training camp? I mean, obviously they
• 49:01
  Speaker 5: were a good team, right, but I always felt that
• 49:04
  Speaker 5: that old four team was the first one that was
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: sort of there was There was no asterisks, there was
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: no yeah butts, they were just dominant, and was there
• 49:13
  Speaker 5: a moment where you just sort of felt like, Wow,
• 49:15
  Speaker 5: this team can really be special.
• 49:17
  Speaker 8: I think. I think when we went off to that
• 49:19
  Speaker 8: five oh start, man, I was just like, yeah, we're
• 49:24
  Speaker 8: pretty damn good, you know what I mean? And I
• 49:26
  Speaker 8: don't only only the way we lose is if we
• 49:29
  Speaker 8: beat ourselves type thing. And and I kind of felt that,
• 49:32
  Speaker 8: you know, because we're dominant on defense and and we
• 49:36
  Speaker 8: got great players on offense. So I really felt overall,
• 49:42
  Speaker 8: only way we losing it we beat our stuff and
• 49:44
  Speaker 8: make mistakes. So it during that whole season, I mean,
• 49:49
  Speaker 8: everybody I like, I like players, holding players accountable offense
• 49:57
  Speaker 8: and defense. That's what we did all year man. So
• 50:00
  Speaker 8: it it it panned out and it kept us focus
• 50:04
  Speaker 8: as just coming in and you know the you know
• 50:07
  Speaker 8: the famous quote, just do your job, you know, and
• 50:12
  Speaker 8: that's what we did. And and players held everybody accountable
• 50:17
  Speaker 8: for just doing your job. So and if you're off,
• 50:21
  Speaker 8: you're not. You know, other players can sense that, you
• 50:23
  Speaker 8: know what I mean. And it's just the the confidence
• 50:28
  Speaker 8: another player will give you when you may be struggling
• 50:31
  Speaker 8: a little bit to go out there and perform man
• 50:34
  Speaker 8: means everything. That's a that signs up a good team.
• 50:37
  Speaker 10: When someone accidentally threw away the school play costumes, oh no,
• 50:41
  Speaker 10: replacements were shipped with FedEx and with picture proof of delivery,
• 50:45
  Speaker 10: everyone could focus on the perfect opening night FedEx where
• 50:49
  Speaker 10: now it's next for residential delivery only.
• 50:53
  Speaker 5: And now great moments in.
• 50:58
  Speaker 6: History pause, you know, calling out numbers and I was like, yeah,
• 51:00
  Speaker 6: I just I just don't see twelve out there yet,
• 51:02
  Speaker 6: like making the joke and.
• 51:03
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, and I go, we have I go, they
• 51:05
  Speaker 5: gave twelve.
• 51:06
  Speaker 4: Weve who's twelve?
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: Like that's how little did you see twelve of them?
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: I'm like, I said it like four times.
• 51:12
  Speaker 5: I literally said it four times, and I was like,
• 51:14
  Speaker 5: they didn't go out twelve.
• 51:15
  Speaker 6: And then you like the look on your faces, like,
• 51:17
  Speaker 6: oh you playing me like that guy like Fred, I
• 51:21
  Speaker 6: don't like you got eighty seven either.
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: Just for the record, Yeah, I don't know that was, But.
• 51:25
  Speaker 5: Is there ever going to be a time where you
• 51:26
  Speaker 5: were allowed to do that? Like twelve? I get. Yeah,
• 51:30
  Speaker 5: Well I'm sorry, I'm over it. I mean, I love Devin. Yeah,
• 51:34
  Speaker 5: at least I didn't even play last year.
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: It's to me, Devin McCarty is bigger than football. Like,
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: I think Devin McCarty is like one of the best
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: people that's ever walked through this building.
• 51:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, And I think that there's and he's recognized
• 51:47
  Speaker 5: as such.
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: I think that in other sports that would be recognized
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: even bigger, and this is not one of them.
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: In your argument, no one ever should be Devin mccordy.
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: I get that, but his number is different.
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: That's just the way I feel.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: That's another moment.
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: All right back here on Patriots Unfiltered, it's Paul, it's Deuce,
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: it's me, it's Matt Evan.
• 52:10
  Speaker 5: A good memory right there, Mike making fun of me
• 52:13
  Speaker 5: on the practice field. Matt, he got me, Well he
• 52:16
  Speaker 5: got twelve.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: Who's twelve? Matt'll be bye later. I mean not Matt
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: Evan practice before.
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: Maybe we can spin his song for him. Okay, all right,
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: I need a locker room.
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: Web radio at Patriots dot com. Is the email address
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: eight five five pass five hundred is the eight ticket houtline.
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: And let's go to the Patriots hutline right now. Let's
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: see what our listeners and viewers have to say. Anthony's
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: in Toronto? What's up Anthony? Anthony and Toronto? I guess
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: he isn't there anymore.
• 52:54
  Speaker 8: It's sad.
• 52:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he'll call back, I'm sure Toronto. Oh, well, when
• 53:00
  Speaker 5: Danny Amidola hung up on Adam Jones.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: It be nice. It'd be nice when they hang up,
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: like if they hung up, like they're gone from the screen.
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 53:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'd like to make fun of you, But I
• 53:11
  Speaker 5: don't think you did anything wrong there. He wasn't waiting
• 53:14
  Speaker 5: all that long either. No, it's only like twenty twenty
• 53:16
  Speaker 5: five minutes.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: Rude, I mean, just rude. Let's get to some of
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: these emails that are coming in.
• 53:23
  Speaker 5: Read them, yeah, read them on loud, Mike, it looks
• 53:26
  Speaker 5: like a long one.
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: Mike and Boca Ratan talking about the j E eleven
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: Games with Name podcast he said there was some good
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: nuggets in there. He had Josh mcdann's I heard there
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: was like.
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: Through an an hour and twenty minutes.
• 53:39
  Speaker 5: So I look forward to this email to tell me
• 53:41
  Speaker 5: what I will never listen to.
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: Some of the nuggets. Josh discuss how Belichick would have
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: the coaches towards the end of the year look for
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: plays they might run in the playoffs that were on
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: game tape for this game. That meant the double pass
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: and ineligible receiver plays. Okay, I guess he was talking
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: about the Ravens game.
• 54:04
  Speaker 5: Obviously that was their games with names.
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: Oh, I see, gotcha. Belichick told Josh to save the
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: ineligible receiver play for the second half. He didn't want
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: the Ravens to be able to make halftime adjustments. He
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: thought it would be more difficult to make sideline adjustments.
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: Good Bill told Josh not to use many running plays,
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: focus on the pass. Josh told the story about sharing
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: this with Dante. He compared it to telling your wife
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: you wanted to take an overseas golf trip with the guys.
• 54:34
  Speaker 5: Only that's a good one.
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And Josh explained how former Patriots coach Dean Peas
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: called the blitz on the double pass, which was the
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: perfect defense for the Patriots to be successful on that play.
• 54:48
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I haven't gotten all the way through it yea
• 54:51
  Speaker 6: hour and twenty, but some good stuff in there that
• 54:55
  Speaker 6: that he kind of mentioned. And I thought it was
• 54:56
  Speaker 6: funny because he said the week of the prep for
• 55:00
  Speaker 6: the Ravens, Josh went into Bill's office and Bill was like,
• 55:03
  Speaker 6: he would say something cryptic, kind of just like, yeah,
• 55:05
  Speaker 6: I don't think.
• 55:06
  Speaker 4: We're going to be a lot of running this week.
• 55:08
  Speaker 8: You know.
• 55:08
  Speaker 6: He says something kind of like this, so Josh should
• 55:09
  Speaker 6: be like, so, do you not want me to put
• 55:12
  Speaker 6: any running plays it? You know, it's kind of like
• 55:13
  Speaker 6: and then he had to go and share it with Dante.
• 55:16
  Speaker 6: I forget what the exact stats were. I mean they
• 55:18
  Speaker 6: ran the bout like eight times the whole game. Of course,
• 55:19
  Speaker 6: they were down you know, fourteen zip quick and they
• 55:22
  Speaker 6: were always kind of chasing instead of four. So anyway,
• 55:24
  Speaker 6: but you know, one really interesting point, and this keeps
• 55:27
  Speaker 6: coming up, and it's just something that I've never quite
• 55:29
  Speaker 6: been able to reconcile in my head, is the perception
• 55:33
  Speaker 6: out there that Bill Belichick wanted to do it all
• 55:36
  Speaker 6: himself and that you know, we didn't want to listen
• 55:38
  Speaker 6: to anybody and you know, my way of the highway
• 55:39
  Speaker 6: kind of thing.
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: And again in.
• 55:40
  Speaker 6: This podcast, it was reiterated by Edelman and Josh of
• 55:44
  Speaker 6: how much he.
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: Would look for input from everybody.
• 55:46
  Speaker 6: And what Edelman kind of said was He'll come up
• 55:50
  Speaker 6: and ask you, but he said, don't if you don't know,
• 55:52
  Speaker 6: don't make it up because I'm not coming back to
• 55:53
  Speaker 6: you again. And you know, even Edelman said, I, you know,
• 55:56
  Speaker 6: I was surprised Bill come up to me and say,
• 55:57
  Speaker 6: you know, what are you seeing these kind of things? So,
• 55:59
  Speaker 6: you know, they just both of them kind of expressed
• 56:02
  Speaker 6: confusion as to why you know that this wasn't something
• 56:05
  Speaker 6: that people and because I thought Halberstam wrote it in
• 56:08
  Speaker 6: the book too of you know, I don't know.
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: You can criticize Belichick for a lot of things.
• 56:11
  Speaker 6: I just don't know, you know, where the truth lies
• 56:13
  Speaker 6: in this one, because he does seem like he valued
• 56:16
  Speaker 6: input from everybody. Didn't mean that he took it from everybody,
• 56:19
  Speaker 6: but that he was willing to talk to players, to
• 56:21
  Speaker 6: his coaches. He wanted that so he could make the
• 56:24
  Speaker 6: best decision possible.
• 56:26
  Speaker 5: I would say the difference was toward the end, he
• 56:28
  Speaker 5: didn't have the answers. Those guys didn't have the answers. Yeah,
• 56:33
  Speaker 5: you know, Josh, wasn't there anymore guys like Edelman that
• 56:36
  Speaker 5: had done it. Weren't there anymore Ernie. And he's dealing
• 56:39
  Speaker 5: with a lot of coaches who, frankly, weren't quite ready
• 56:43
  Speaker 5: for the jobs that they had.
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: I think when it came to game planning, there's no
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: one even in his stratisfy and he just.
• 56:50
  Speaker 5: Like that anecdote that Mike just explained, Bill had the
• 56:54
  Speaker 5: game plan on offense, right, I don't think we're going
• 56:57
  Speaker 5: to run the ball that much this week, you know.
• 57:00
  Speaker 5: And then Josh is like, okay, so you don't want
• 57:01
  Speaker 5: me to put any running plays in this week, you know? Yea.
• 57:04
  Speaker 5: And then we saw that in the nine one where
• 57:08
  Speaker 5: Brady sits with Belichick and they're going over this, that
• 57:11
  Speaker 5: and the other thing, and then Brady gets up he goes, Okay,
• 57:12
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna go I'll go tell Billy, oh, yeah, like
• 57:16
  Speaker 5: this it's really not cryptic. Well, Bill Belichick, I think
• 57:20
  Speaker 5: stuff together, and then those guys implement.
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: I think what people question, and even people within the
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: team question, is it's more the drafting and the free
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: agent stuff, and it's like, Okay, my kids will walk
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: on on Rutgers and great Cianna's the coach, and all
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: of a sudden, we're drafting Rutgers guys. I think we
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: never did that before. I mean, these coaches and scouts,
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: they know what's going on. It's not you know, and
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: they so they question that, like if you're just gonna
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: you know, you know, and not that. Obviously people that
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: he got from Rutgers were good, like mccordy, but like,
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: if you're just gonna do that, what do you need
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: us for?
• 57:56
  Speaker 6: I think that's a great way to put it, Fred, Like,
• 57:58
  Speaker 6: I mean that's maybe where the line is strong. Where
• 58:00
  Speaker 6: it was when it was coaching and it was game
• 58:02
  Speaker 6: plan stuff. Yeah, very much wanted input and when it
• 58:06
  Speaker 6: was what players I'm picking. I'm going to give myself
• 58:09
  Speaker 6: well for the doubt over every wanted.
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: And I mentioned Greg Ciano, but there were other guys
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: that he wanted to do favors for, you know, like
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: because when an NFL team takes a player from a
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: certain college, that's a badge of honor for that college
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: and especially that head coach. Oh look, how many of
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: my guys made it to the NFL and we're not
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: even a big school, you know. So Bill was doing
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: that guy a favor for whatever reason, and scouts see
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: that and it's like, well, we're putting in all this
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: work and you know you're drafting a guy for other reasons.
• 58:45
  Speaker 5: I think that was speaking of the badge of honor
• 58:47
  Speaker 5: for the colleges. Did you guys happen to see the
• 58:49
  Speaker 5: thing that was making the rounds on Twitter this morning?
• 58:51
  Speaker 5: In the off season, former Alabama players have signed contracts
• 58:57
  Speaker 5: combined worth over a billion with a B dollars, you know,
• 59:04
  Speaker 5: like Jalen Waddle and Tua and you know Barmore.
• 59:07
  Speaker 4: Oh, by the way, I Bury, the lead Barbour was
• 59:09
  Speaker 4: in the locker room too.
• 59:10
  Speaker 5: Barber was in the locker room.
• 59:11
  Speaker 4: I didn't, you know, talk to anybody so hanging out
• 59:14
  Speaker 4: with the question about Barmore.
• 59:15
  Speaker 5: And I'm not a lawyer, so I will ask a
• 59:17
  Speaker 5: question I don't have the answer to. And I believe
• 59:22
  Speaker 5: today was the first Mayo press conference that I did
• 59:25
  Speaker 5: not either attend or read the entirety of the transcript.
• 59:30
  Speaker 5: Yet they put him on n FI on according to
• 59:35
  Speaker 5: the wire, the NFL wire, they designated him as one
• 59:39
  Speaker 5: of their two guys designated to return. The other one
• 59:41
  Speaker 5: was Marty Marpool. Why why do you think because they
• 59:48
  Speaker 5: think he might return? Well, do you think that?
• 59:51
  Speaker 6: I think it was more just let's leave the door open.
• 59:53
  Speaker 6: There's no information of we think he's going to be
• 59:56
  Speaker 6: able to return, but we don't have anyone else to
• 59:58
  Speaker 6: use this on right now.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: Let's just keep the door open. Who knows, maybe he's
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 4: able to come.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 5: But here's the thing is, they didn't need to have two.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 5: You can only have two the day of final cuts,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 5: the final roster cutdown date, you can only have two,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 5: but you can have as many as eight during you
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 5: might need you might need that. Yeah, during the season.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean I would say, unless I'm layer worth,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 4: he's a player worth taking that right, unless.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 5: I'm misunderstanding the way the rule was was written to me.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 6: You know now, I mean I think he's worth having
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 6: the rest of the fun Another funny thing I just
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 6: overheard was a quality talking to Barmore and he's literally
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 6: laying out exactly what I laid out. Was Like, Man,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 6: two years ago you got hurt and I was in
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 6: there and I played a bunch, and then last year
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 6: you got hurt and I was there, you were in there, yeah,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 6: and then this and then this year, you're hurt. Now
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 6: I'm going to be back in there. So they were
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 6: kind of you know, pointing out the last.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 5: Two seasons, but you never seem to play together.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah right, They never never seemed to be out there
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 4: at the same time.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 5: I just I thought that was interesting. I don't really
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 5: think we've talked about it on the show. That is
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 5: a a minute detail that came out of Cutts last week.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: It's a little curious that we haven't heard any prognosis, like, hey,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: you know things, you.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 5: Know, So I'm a little curious as to why no
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 5: one has asked Male about it.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, hopefully soon. I mean him being in
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 6: the locker room though, maybe it's a sign that that,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 6: you know, there's more information or at least he seems
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 6: like he's doing better, he's got under control.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 5: But I remember back in the day when Robert Edwards
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 5: suffered that, you know, really tragic knee injury at the
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 5: Pro Bowl when he was playing the Beach the Beach game.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 5: So the next year, you know, obviously he was out
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 5: you know, the whole next year, and every once in
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 5: a while, he'd pop in the locker room. And I
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 5: think Bruce Armstrong once goes hey, Robert Son, they they'll
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 5: mail the check to you, bro, They'll mail it to
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 5: you. You don't need to come in and get it.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 4: You know, that's funny.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 6: I forget who earlier this season though, after Barb was out,
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 6: just said, you know, we want him around more, We
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 6: want him to come in, you know. So it was
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 6: it was just good to good to see him there.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 6: You know, it's always those guys get hurt. You feel
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 6: like they disappear into the nether and see and I
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 6: used to be the.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: Thing, you know, you know, like they coaches didn't want
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: hurt guys around. Yeah, you know, give.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 6: Me a couple more nuggets though from the Edelman thing
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 6: that I thought were interesting, just I never put together
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 6: that Edelman kind of felt like a Billy O guy
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 6: because he came in with Billy Oh as the offensive coordinator,
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 6: and when Josh came in, Edelman initially kind of felt
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 6: like he was gonna get iced out. And I think
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 6: he said Josh brought back Dante Stalwarts. I think Gaffney
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 6: he said Gaffney too, I remember stal Wars coming back
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 6: and maybe it's like twenty thirteen.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 5: I definitely remember Star Wars, and I'm not sure about Gaffney.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 5: I don't remember Gaffney.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but I thought that was kind of interesting. I
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 4: never thought of it quite that way. You know, they
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 4: talked about I mean he said he said the.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 6: Forty nine ers were often or more money like to
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 6: go out there Edelman and he ended up sticking around
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 6: here and obviously it all it all started to click,
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 6: But no good nuggets I enjoyed. I haven't listened to
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 6: any of those podcasts before. Which I didn't realize going
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 6: in is that he he takes I mean, I'm stupid,
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 6: I know, but he takes the games with names and
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 6: then he just talks about that game with one person.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 6: It sounds like he lets the guest pick which they're
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 6: gonna do.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 4: You know we always talk about all the time.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 5: You like, Mike and I invented this.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 6: I'm not, well, it's like how many Patriot Patriot games
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 6: with names that you you know that you can remember
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 6: this that's an easy way. And but I and he's
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 6: done like the a Rod slapping game, and you know
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 6: he's a little Yeah, initially I thought it was just
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 6: him kind of playing the greatest hits with you know,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 6: Ernie bringing people. But it's it's more, you know, it
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 6: has a little bit more legs than than just being
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 6: limited to the Patriots game.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 5: He's got the personality to pull it off to you know, he's.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 4: He was good. It was good.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 8: Uh.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 6: You know, he's got his guy laying everything out, and
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 6: I mean, I just I enjoy the the little bit
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 6: of behind the scenes. One other thing that stood out
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 6: to me was just that, you know, when they had
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 6: the bye week, how it's you know, he said a
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 6: lot of people think, like, oh, the bye week, it's
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 6: like about getting healthy and stuff, and He's like, you know,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 6: we would really try to figure out out a way
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 6: to get an advantage in these games. And you know,
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 6: what can we do that isn't on tape yet that
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 6: we can come up. I mean, they mentioned they threw
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 6: the double they tried to throw the double pass against
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 6: Kansas City in twenty fourteen, but they you know, waved
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 6: it off because it wasn't there, so they saved it.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 6: So just that little beyond Josh is great. I mean,
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 6: I just I have trouble im saying that to Paul.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 6: I think yesterday at our drinks that, Like, I just
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 6: have so much trouble reconciling like the person that I've
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 6: seen a few times in person and kind of the
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 6: vibe he gets, and then these Raider players all, you know,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 6: seem to really not like him. And I just don't,
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 6: you know, I don't know if he puts on a
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 6: different facade when he's coaching or what, but it's I mean,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 6: he generally to me seems like, you know, a nice guy,
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 6: guy that I would want to play for.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 5: I never had anything resembling a bad interaction with Josh,
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 5: and he was here for a long time. Yeah, you know,
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 5: when we go back, you know, I'm not saying like,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 5: you know, Josh and Paul they're great friends. No, we're not,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 5: you know, Like, but I go back to like the
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 5: early two thousands, sitting down with him and Brian Dable
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 5: when they were both assistants coaching assistant US YEA, and
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 5: they used to write out the formations on cards like
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 5: index countings, have to lock them all and put them
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 5: in a like a loose leaf notebook and stuff like that,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 5: and I just like, I'm with Mike, I can't really
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 5: understand guys fail. Like guys, there's some guys that are
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 5: just great assistant coaches, they just not cut out to
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 5: be head coaches. Dad, I understand this. I don't the
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 5: visceral reaction you get when you talk to people from
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 5: Denver and now with the Raiders when it comes to
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 5: Josh McDaniels, I don't get.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 6: And even when we saw him out there, like we
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 6: you know, we went to a press conference out there
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 6: with you know, listen to him and in his element,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 6: and it's still seemed like the same Josh. And then
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 6: you know he's gone and they're lighting up stogies in
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 6: the locker room afterwards.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 4: Like ding dong, the witch is dead.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 5: Like they did not they did not like him personally.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 4: Strange.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: Aaron's in Utah. What's up Aaron?
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 13: Hey, guys, this is a different Aaron in Utah. Long time,
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 13: second time Color just throwing to reach out and get
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 13: here ideas on labeling and expectations. A lot of a
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 13: lot of the people are saying the Chargers are the
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 13: Ravens of the South. I was wondering if we might
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 13: be labeled as the Browns in the East. You know,
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 13: we got the coach, We've got Jakobe, We've got a
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 13: strong defense, just like the Browns did last year. I'll
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 13: take it off from here, thank you.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: Okay, could we be the Browns of last year?
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 5: I think in our division, I think there's some Oh
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 5: is that what he's trying to say.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Like he said the Chargers of the Browns,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: the charge South, I think he meant the West the Ravens.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 5: But I don't really I don't understand why other than
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 5: like Hardball's brother is now the coach of the Chargers
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 5: that why.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: Oh, well, they're going to run the ball.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I didn't really understand that.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 5: Like Jim Habba has been a guy who believes in
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 5: the running game, right, Like that's the kind of style John,
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 5: but he's not well, John has a running.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 4: Quarterback, Lamar Jackson, Like he wasn't.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 5: They weren't a running team necessarily when Joe Bowl, like
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 5: this is Lamar Jackson running zone reads and whatnot. For Cleveland,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 5: there's obvious carryover. I mean, we have a lot of
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 5: Cleveland personnel. You know, when Van Pelt, I think that's
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 5: not an accident, you know, but it's Brissette, it's Hooper,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 5: you know, it's mockey hockey. I mean They're like, there's
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 5: a handful of guys that they brought from Cleveland. Elliott
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 5: will spend time there. Yeah, I think there's some similarities
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 5: to we're running the Cleveland offense. I don't know if
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 5: he's talking about the rest of the team, Like, I
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 5: don't know if he's if looking for like a worster
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 5: of first kind of thing.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't I don't know see that or.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: Maybe just a competitive team. I don't know that does
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: it with the run and defense.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 4: I mean, I'd like to believe it.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: That's what Cleveland.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 4: There's some big pieces in Cleveland.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: That was lighting it up.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 5: Cleveland was better than people think in terms of their roster.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 5: Cleveland's got an unbelievable roster of talent and they got
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 5: hit with a ton of injuries and just kept winning,
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 5: you know, but they also caught it right like this
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 5: this kind of bugs. Yeah, and they made the playoffs,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 5: but they really weren't very good, you know, because Cincinnati
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 5: lost their quarterback and wasn't anywhere near as good as
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 5: they normally are. You know. People talk about the West, right,
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 5: the Chargers, the Raiders, and the Broncos, they're all kind
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 5: of stunk. But they all won like seven or eight
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 5: games each. Well, yeah, but they weren't very good. And
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 5: the reason why they won so many games is because
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 5: they played each other twice. So yeah, you can rack
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 5: up some wins, Like I don't think that the Patriots
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 5: will have that advantage having to play the Jets, the Bills,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 5: and the Dolphins twice each. I think we would all
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 5: probably sign up for a two to four record in
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 5: the AFC East.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: Sure, as long as both wins are against the Jets,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: I'm good with that.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 5: But in all seriousness, how many games, realistically do you
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 5: expect to win out of those six if all three
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 5: of them are healthy?
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: Right, it's fair enough.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 5: You know, whereas the Broncos, he usually could beat the
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 5: Raiders or the Chargers, so I don't have to pull
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 5: an upset to do not, just like the Chargers didn't
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 5: have to pull an upset to beat the Raiders or
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 5: the Broncos.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 6: That's interesting though, that those teams in the West kind
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 6: of stunk based on the teams they wanted to have
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 6: going in the season, whereas Cincinnati and Cleveland both you know,
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 6: played well despite injuries, and you know, we're still competitive
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 6: and enable. I mean, that's That's what I think you
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 6: need to strive for as a team, with you know,
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 6: focusing on Cincinnati this week. Their their ability to you know,
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 6: you lose your quarterback and you're still in there fighting
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 6: and able to you know, be competitive. I think that's
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 6: a you know, that shows I think what direction that
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 6: that franchise has moved in.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: Dorian writes in from Maryland. Is it crazy of me
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: to believe that if there is any week for the
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: Patriots to achieve an upset, it would be this one?
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: The Bengals historically starts slow. Chase is a big question mark.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: Week one is always shoppy for teams as they try
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: to build chemistry amongst the team. And the best part
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: yet is that teams who aren't good don't know they're
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: not good yet, so they don't play like it. Vegas
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: had the Patriots at nine and a half. So even
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: if we don't get the upset, I think we surely
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: could cover that spread.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, it's hard to say, because once the
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 6: season gets rolling, other teams are gonna have injuries. You're
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 6: gonna have teams that instead of missing Jamar Chase, they're
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 6: missing their quarterback. And you know, but I don't know,
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 6: I used to subscribe more to this theory of Week
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 6: one being kind of a crapshoot and not really that
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 6: indicative of what you're ultimately going to be in a
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 6: lot of it, Like was that two thousand and six
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 6: game you mentioned, I think I don't think we might
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 6: have been off the air the opener where it's like,
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 6: you know, crappy Buffalo team. You know, even Week one
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 6: in two thousand and nine kind of a crappy Buffalo
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 6: team and it's tight right down to the wire.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 4: But I don't know. I just the more and more
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 4: I watch all.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 6: The games, it feels like it's all the roots are
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 6: all kind of there, I think with these games, and
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 6: they might be a little bit more sloppy, but general
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 6: I haven't really felt that being the case.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, And I just like we were talking Mike before
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 5: you came down. It just I think people get so
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 5: wrapped up in some of the numbers, you know, like, well,
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 5: the Bengals are one and three under Burrow and openers, Okay,
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 5: but what does that have to do with this year?
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 5: The Patriots haven't covered an opener since, Like, Brady, what
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 5: does that have to do with this year? I might
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 5: be since since twenty I think they covered in the
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 5: cam Newteelers, Newton.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 4: I hope they covered against the Steelers. They pound them.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 5: And when did they play the Steelers?
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 4: The Steelers the opener in nineteen.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 5: No, I'm talking about since twenty now twenty Yeah with Newton,
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 5: but they they haven't covered the last couple.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah they got this is this is by the.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 5: Way, this is dangerous. This is when and I love
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 5: them and I mean it. I'm taking Joe Murray's word
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 5: for it. Joe Murray at night on the Sports Hub.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 5: You know, one of my favorite guys. But sometimes it's
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 5: a little loose with his numbers and figures, so maybe
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 5: that's not right. But like my point being like this
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 5: isn't new year. It's all different personnel for the Patriots,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 5: an entire new coaching staff almost, Like what does that
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 5: have to do with last year that they didn't cover
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 5: against Philadelphia? Like there was nothing really to carry over,
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 5: Like the Patriots could easily cover Sunday. I could see
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 5: them easily getting blown out too, Like who knows.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 6: I just hope they're not like sloppy and just don't
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 6: even give themselves a chance with stupid stuff like the
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 6: penalties and the turnovers, and you know, if you just
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 6: play a clean game and you maybe get a sense
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 6: of where this team is at.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 5: But how would you feel if they played a clean game.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 5: Let's say they have two or three penalties, no turnovers
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 5: and they lose by seventeen points.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 4: Not great, Bob, Not great, me too.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, like I almost if they're gonna lose, you
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 5: want an excuse? Yeah, like last year, last year, that
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 5: Philadelphia game. Yeah, you know, they had like three turnovers.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 5: You know there was I think was it two? I
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 5: know there was one pick six at least I thought
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 5: was there a fumble that no, maybe set up a
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 5: short field. So at least you said, well, jeez, if
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 5: we just didn't shoot ourselves in the foot, we might
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 5: have been able to win this game.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: And Booty gets his foot in.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 5: You know, I would rather if you're going to lose,
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 5: I'd rather have that cost ourselves the game as opposed
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 5: to it.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 4: We just went out there, we.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 5: Played as well as we can and the other team
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 5: was three touchdowns better.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 4: That would be without Jamar Chase, that would be depressing.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: Barton Poland writes in I have the Bengals as my
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: Super Bowl pick so I don't have big expectation for Sunday. However,
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: it's probably the best time to face them when it
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: comes to May. I just hope maybe becomes the starter
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: before the London game. That's all I asked for, as
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: it will be my first NFL game and that all
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: attend live. Also a question is I would give you a.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 5: Pretty good odds on that before the London game?
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: Okay in England. Also a question, is there a full
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: and official list of all of Paul's shows. I'm pretty
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: sure that I'm aware of most of them, but it
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: would be great if you could clarify which shows exactly
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: are considered Paul shows, especially for people outside the area.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 5: They'll be on one of my shows momentarily.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: Paul shows or any show that will give them a
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: paychecky right, No, but.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 5: You assign a lot of shows to me that I
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 5: have nothing to do with, Like on the other channel.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: That's not true. The more morning shows, both afternoon shows
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: and but.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 5: NBC Sports get paid by any of those.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: You've been on both all those shows.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 5: I've not been on ee I since nine really, yeah,
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 5: that's when I.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: Started cutting them. Are they boycotting you?
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 5: No, I'm on the other chair.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: I know, but you don't have any exclusivity thing.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 5: I don't bite the hand that feeds you have a
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 5: loyalty thing. They pay me.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: Well if Andy Hart says, we'd like you to appear in.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 5: A different, different argument, Now I'm open for business. It's
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 5: going to cost you. You know what. Yesterday's price is
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 5: not today's.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: I like it.
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  Speaker 4: I like it.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 5: It's going to a little more. Matt tell them, I
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 5: tell them, I you negotiate. Yeah, Matt knows. Matt understands
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 5: it's looking for his button. No, but seriously like ruining
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 5: the joke, looking for the button. I would I would say,
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 5: felgrim az.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 4: Yea, my blossoms out of there.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah you know that.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 4: What's that show with Treny that one too that.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 5: I haven't done that really?
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah at all?
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 5: Late night though, Yeah, they always asked me to do late.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 6: I always see, like I know, I just see people
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 6: like getting ready to go on and it's like ten
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 6: o'clock at night.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 4: I'm like, no way tired.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: They were all your shows?
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 5: Is that my show?
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: That's one of your shows? All these talk shows are
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: your shows.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the I ones are not my shows.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I wouldn't give you the Morning show. Yeah, I
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 4: don't think that's the show.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: That's not your show.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 5: The Morning on THEI it's not my show, and really
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 5: the Morning on the Hubs not my show either.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 4: It's Sad talked to her yesterday.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 5: I have filled in a little bit. I heard the segment.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 4: How did it go over?
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 5: They got them all, but they all seemed to legitimately
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 5: be guessing. So Hardy came up with a game Fred
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 5: on one of my shows on the Sports Hub, and
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 5: he called Mike to solicit some some advice. So it
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 5: was the game was Patriot or Patriot? So was the
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 5: guy the name that he's going to say, is that
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 5: actually a member of the New England Patriots or was
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 5: he one of the Patriot quotes? A member of the
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 5: January sixth Insurrection? And he came up with names that
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 5: were like eerily similar. It was like Mitchell Wilcox or
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 5: Mitchell something else. And there was a three named guy
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 5: like Joe Giles Harris or someone else that was But
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 5: they got all of them right. Wallack and Fred got
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 5: them all right.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 6: I thought we might get him with some of the
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 6: new guys on you know, the New Practice Squad guys,
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 6: but it's tough.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 5: Well, and then you know, Hardy was saying, like, you know,
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 5: will Cox is from Florida and the other guys from
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 5: Florida too, and they were like, cool, that's tough thing.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 5: It's normally from Like one of the insurrectionists was from
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 5: West Virginia and they meet it like, I'm going with
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 5: the West Virginia guy.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: Oh here here, here it is.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 6: If you want some of the names, Mitchell Wilcox or
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 6: Mitchell Todd Garner. That wasn't the one that Joe Giles
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 6: Harris or Joe Randall Biggs.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that one they did.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 6: Zachary Thomas or Zachary Rell real real, Eric Johnson or
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 6: Eric Barbaro.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah they did those. Yeah, good stuff, good stuff.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: Robin san Diego via Connecticut went to training camp this
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: year and had a very good time. Thought it was
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: very fan Training camp is a great time for He
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: also says there's been a lot of talk about quarterback
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: and when May should start. What happens if Brissette plays
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: just fine, not poor, but not great, We lose games close,
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: but he's doing well enough, will there be any locker
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: room disturbance or issues from veterans? If May is put
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: in under those circumstances, I asked, because most of these
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: conversations are framed in the offense being stuck in the
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: mud and Brissett playing poorly.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 6: I mean it kind of feels to me a little
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 6: bit like Bledsoe and Brady, where Bledsoe is a good quarterback.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 6: But I feel like the team maybe was won over
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 6: by Brady and they could see that that's how they
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 6: want to play and that the ceiling would be higher
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 6: under Brady. But I mean, I think it's winning if
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 6: Jacoby's winning games though, but.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 5: He said no, he said they're.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 4: Losing well, then don't know.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 5: He said he's playing well, but they're they're losing close games.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 5: I don't think that anybody will have any problem with
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 5: changing to Drake May at any point this season. I
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 5: really don't. I think that those guys are smart enough
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 5: to understand unless that one caveat of Brissette's lighting it
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 5: up and they're really playing well, like they're six and two,
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 5: and then I think you got some veterans that are like,
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 5: wait a minute, what do we do why they're playing well?
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 5: We got a chance we want to win.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 5: Otherwise, let's say his scenario. You know, Brissett's playing well,
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 5: but you know they are three and five. No one's
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 5: going to argue.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 6: That, especially to you, because the element that you believe
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 6: that Drake make an offer that we've seen is just
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 6: a new explosive element where if you're not winning games,
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 6: then you know, even if he's playing well, he's not
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 6: going to be playing so well that he's you know,
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 6: hitting Taekwon Thorn on a sixty year bomb or you know,
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 6: doing the things.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 4: That Drake May is able to do. So I think
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 4: that would buffer the decision a little bit, you know.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: I mean we've talked about it before the comp There
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: is down in Miami when Tua was a rookie and
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: Ryan Fitzpatrick was doing okay. Yeah, and he's a good
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: locker room guy. You know, he grew the beard so
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: he could be relatable because he's from Harvard.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 5: But they weren't winning, so you know, they like three
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 5: and three or so, like five hundred winning, so there
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 5: was nothing to be lost by making the change. They
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 5: actually won more after they made the change, even though
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 5: Tua wasn't really responsible for them winning.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: Nate writes in don't know if you guys mentioned this
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: but shout out to the team for paying bar Moore
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: his salary this year. Classy move.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah pretty much. Yeah, there is an option, but teams
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 5: like Cincinnati might take the option. The other thirty one
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 5: teams would have paid them. And by the way, it
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 5: was like a million. I think it was one point
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 5: eight million, So like, we're not really even I know
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 5: that sounds like a lot to me and you especially me,
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 5: not as much you Fred, But I don't really see
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 5: I don't really see an option there, Like you can
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 5: alienate one of your best young players and not pay
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 5: them over a one point eight million, or you can
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 5: do what everybody else does.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: Right, all right? Evan's here? Evan?
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 13: Has we turned from?
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: Evan?
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 5: Has we turned from?
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: Has we turned from?
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 13: Who was there?
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 8: All right?
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: Evan? He's the first one of them. A lot of
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: pressure feels a full practice report.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 3: That feels like when people sing you happy birthday, you're
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 3: not really sure what to do. You just kind of sit.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 5: Here and they're like, it's kind of like sunshine day
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 5: in like an hour and a half.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 3: Uh No, it feels good to be back. But the
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 3: big practice report here today Vederian low back at practice
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 3: the Patriots on Wednesday, still sounds you know. The scuttle
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 3: button in the locker room was that he's getting better,
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 3: but maybe not quite there yet for Sunday, so we'll see.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 3: Uh still no city, so he was absent, the lone
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 3: player officially absent from the fifty three man roster. Jonathan
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 3: Russell not not there from the practice squad, if care,
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 3: but no city. So Venerian low there present, participating at
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 3: some capacity. So that's the news, right pads, Uh no,
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 3: no pad shells A little surprise, yeah, yeah, you know
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 3: it was uh, I believe they are in pads on Monday.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 5: Oh okay, I'm not a surprise by it.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 3: And now so you know, today was still you know,
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 3: shell practice. It's pretty similar, just no no full equipment.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: So yeah, playing music throughout.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 3: There was not music during stretch now really I think
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 3: about it.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: It's kind of weird.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, stretched out, Yeah, isn't It wasn't I don't think so.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 3: No music, which was a little bit odd.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: But so to that affect the mood.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 3: Maybe a little bit, Fred, you know, the mood I
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 3: think has been relatively good now.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: Now both were in the locker room, yeah, Deuce said.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: The mood in the locker room was business like.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 3: That's a fair way of putting it, Okay, Yeah, but
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 3: I feel like the mood is a little bit looser
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 3: than Yeah, then maybe you'd normally see it. I think right
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 3: now there's still hope. Season hasn't started yet, you know,
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 3: just remembering the last couple of locker rooms last year,
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 3: it was obviously pretty doom and glub in there after
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 3: the season that they had. But right now it's a
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 3: fresh season. It's a new new thing for everybody. So
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 3: I felt like the locker room on Monday and today
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 3: was I don't want to call it lively, but it
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 3: was a little bit loose.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, all right.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 4: I did talk to them, I mean we were you want.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 6: Bentley is always usually pretty business like anyway, so yeah,
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 6: but he seemed especially just like.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he's he's always a little bit like that.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 3: But uh, it was another practice where we had one
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 3: period of access, then they kick us out, and then
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 3: we get three more periods after that of individuals and
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 3: just to watch them like go through.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 4: I think there's a kickoff.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 6: I mean, are we brewing something on the kickoff or
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 6: is that I mean that's sorry, dynamic kickoff. Sorry, Paul,
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 6: it's possibly something on the dynamic kickoff, but that time
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 6: of practice is still walk through tempo. It's not like
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 6: that's like a live period, but have been kicked off.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 6: But maybe it's just.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 3: The who's doing what, you know, in terms of who's
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 3: lining up where, who's returning kicks, you know, not that
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 3: I really feel like that has changed much since the
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 3: preseason or since camp, but that that might be a possibility,
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 3: you know, Jalen Rakers and technically not on the fifty
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 3: three man roster, so maybe there's some other guys that
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 3: are trying to practice that to see if they can
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 3: do it.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: So is it on the kickoffs? Is it like a
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: regular play from scrimmage where the defense has a chance
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: to adjust on uh, make the last substitutions.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 3: That's a good question. I I don't know the answer
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 3: to that.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: And on this so is the kicking team the defense
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: on this play or is it the receiver? So in
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: other words, you get out there and one side seas okay,
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: this is the type of personnel they have. You would
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: you see a team making a wholesale change to adjust
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: to that and like counteract the personnel that they have
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: on the dynamic kickoff and who gets who's the last
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: team to be able to substitute on that play.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 3: That's a good question.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know if right out of it
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 4: we figure this out. It's kind of hard to have
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 4: a whole second kickoff team that, you know.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 5: I like the outside the box thinking. Yeah, I don't
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 5: think it will happen, but I like the thought.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 3: I'm kind of like stumped on it because I've sort
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 3: of would do I guess it just to me, it
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 3: feels like you have these guys practicing this all week, but.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: We have our small unit and now we have our
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: big unit.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 5: You know, it's possible. Good for you, I think.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: That was you.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 3: That's a good thought.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 4: He said it, and then's trying to pin it on
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 4: me big units.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good question for Jeremy Springer. Yea, yeah, thanks,
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 3: time we talk.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: Evan has an email and this is from Joe. He says,
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: we were talking about the value of wide receivers and
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: how Bill's different. You know, Bill had a certain value
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: for certain types of wide receivers. Uh. Joe says, the
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 2: Super Bowl doesn't. Super Bowl teams doesn't value wide receivers
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: the way you think they should be either. Historically, teams
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: who value receivers the way you do are very nice
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: little regular season teams. Hill and Cup have won recently,
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: and then the Chiefs went and want to without him.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 5: Okay, that's dumb.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 3: So the San Francisco with Ayuk and Debo, No.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 5: They don't count because they didn't win.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 3: Affiliate with aj Brown and DeVante's.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 5: They also don't count because they didn't win. According to
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 5: this email, god like you just you know, the nice
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 5: little regular season teams like can we just sort of
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 5: accept the fact that Patrick Mahomes is a little special, right,
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 5: and he can win it when he's loaded at the
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 5: skill positions, and he can win it when he has
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 5: nothing at the skill positions. It's a little bit of
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 5: an outlier that not all teams can rely on because
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 5: Evan accurately points out that all of the other teams
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 5: that played against them in the Super Bowl had exactly
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 5: what Evan's talking about, like the dynamic lead receiver, yeah
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 5: or two, Like I just when has it ever been
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 5: a good idea to not have the best players you
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 5: can have because somehow no offense. Mike Brady's brilliance cons
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 5: people into thinking you didn't need great players without realizing
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 5: that you had the single greatest player who's ever played.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's easy to have a strong middle class and
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: and all that stuff when your best player is the
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: greatest of all time.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 5: And that's what Mahomes is doing for the Chiefs right now.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 5: And by the way, I would argue, Travis Kelce is
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 5: every bit the number one receiver that Aj Brown will
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 5: ever be. Yeah, you know, maybe he's a little bit
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 5: past his prime. Now what's he like, thirty four to
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 5: thirty five? Okay, so maybe he's not quite the same.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 5: He was Gronk in terms of being a receiver at
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 5: the time. He was never Gronk in terms of an
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 5: overall tight end. But that's your lead receiver.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 3: Right, I mean, he definitely flipped the switch in the
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 3: playoffs last year. He had some huge games for them
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 3: in the playoffs that I had. Paul said it great, like,
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 3: Travis Kelsey doesn't count because he plays tight end, Like, yeah,
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 3: Gronk didn't count.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 8: You know.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 3: Edelman didn't count because he played in the slot instead
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 3: of playing on the outside. Million ways to stir the
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 3: drink as long as it gets stirred, and then the truth.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 4: Is is that this game has signaled that they think
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 4: that way.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 5: They want to also never say like, well, you have
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 5: to have a number one receiver like no, like if
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 5: you're really good and you just have a bunch of
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 5: good receivers but you're excellent in other yeah, you can win.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 5: But I just think most of these offenses, now, I
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 5: know that the nice regular season teams that have good offenses,
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 5: they have that.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really just Miami to like the Emailer, what
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 3: are their nice regular season teams?
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 4: Dallas?
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 5: I think Dallas is a nice regular season team that
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 5: has the shiny.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 4: CD nice regular season team.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 5: I don't see the difference between me. I think that
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 5: the Emailers was saying as sort of like a like
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 5: a negative. I don't think there's anything wrong with being
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 5: Miami in Dallas, like working to try to get over
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 5: the hump. But talent's not the issue. But they're trying
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 5: to get over the hump.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: Didn't the Chiefs win also with the number one receiver?
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well he said that, but then the last two
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 5: without Hill but completely ignoring right right anyways, But I.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 6: Don't know, I just would say, after watching this offense
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 6: for the last couple of years, it's just throw out one, two, three,
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 6: X y Z.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 4: Like you need explosive players, you need players that can
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 4: move the needle. And with this differences stuck in the
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 4: difference offense, you.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: Do realize if the Patriots had finished the deal in
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: O seven, they wouldn't be arguing this anymore because you'd
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: be the perfect team with the number one wide receiver.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 5: If people realized the talent level that the Patriots had,
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 5: they wouldn't be saying this. It's exactly what evan It
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 5: Mike said. Like, Gronk doesn't count, right, Gronk might be
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 5: the greatest tight end in the history of football. Yep,
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 5: that doesn't count as like the lead dog, the lead
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 5: receiver star. You know in eighteen Edelman was immense in
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 5: the playoffs. That doesn't count as a number one receiver. Yeah,
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 5: well of course it does.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 4: I think too.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 6: It's what made those Patriots teams so fun because it
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 6: wasn't like anything you really could put like the easy
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 6: we got Moss on the outside, we gotta stop. It
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 6: was this tight end who could block Helodinada and then
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 6: run down the scene and have a twenty five thirty
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 6: yard catch. You know it was that was what made
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 6: it so unique and exciting, like an eleven twelve when
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 6: that thing really hit the gear.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 5: You know, I tell you an unpopular opinion, The old
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 5: nineteen didn't fail because all you had to do was
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 5: double team Moss over the top and slammed down on Welker.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 5: They couldn't stop anybody. Yeah, that's why they failed.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 4: Pass rush.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 5: I mean, like that game in New Orleans that elicited that.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 5: I just can't get these guys to play how many points?
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 5: How many points of That's why you didn't go where
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 5: you wanted to go.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 6: There you got rid of, you got rid of Richard Seymour,
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 6: You put Jarvis Green in there and trying to stop
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 6: the running Ray Rice.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 4: He's still running.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 3: My favorite ducism is just naming random like twenty ten
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 3: pass rushers on the Patriots, Derek Burgess, Andre Carter Kelly.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 5: He's uncanny, uncanny, Derek Burgess.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 3: I have a thing.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 5: I have a thing like I was thinking very mad
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 5: about it talking about the Safety Yet show and you
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 5: guys were going back and forth with safeties, and I
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 5: immediately was thinking, oh yeah, it was like mccordy, Harmon Chung,
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 5: And then I was thinking, I have no idea if
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 5: Chung was on that team that we were talking about.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 5: So I didn't mention Jung, Yeah because I know du
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 5: A well he was.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 4: Twelve.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 3: But don't you remember that Derek Bird this year?
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 5: I do, Yeah, I do. He was one of the
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 5: he was one of the gang before that. It was
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 5: late when the dayly was Thomas. He had to show
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 5: up like the Jetson's.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 2: Jetson and the Dailies.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 4: Thomas was on the team. Didn't he get like hurt though?
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 5: Was he?
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 4: I don't think he was playing, but he fell out a.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 5: Favor at that time. Sure did days Thomas like I
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 5: hate you.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 2: Christen Cofax, California. Not sure if his play style fits,
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: but could we see del Pettis have a decent role
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: on defense due to the lack of a true free safety.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: It seems like all of our safeties are strong safeties
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: or sub linebacker types. And how much playtime are you
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: expecting from Pok and Bell at the beginning of the season.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 6: I don't expect del Pettis I and I think he
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 6: very well could be a game day inactive. I just
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 6: I mean Hawkins, they got three of those guys. As
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 6: for Bell, I don't think Bell's gonna play a lot.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 6: I think Poke will play a lot. I think Polk
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 6: you got top four receivers. I think he'll he'll be
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 6: in that mix, and you know, they'll rotate him in
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 6: and out. I'm just curious if they activate Rager though,
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 6: if that's you know, do they roll with Booty because
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 6: that riger move was still surprising to me.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 4: I always had Rager above Booty.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and that would tell you a lot. Yeah, if
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 5: they activate him and deactivate a receiver, that tells you
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 5: a lot. He tells you that was right, yea Like Bell,
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 5: I felt like they could cut Rager or not lose him,
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 5: but they weren't sure about Booty.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 3: That's sort of how I felt about it at the time,
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 3: was that Booty would have to go through waivers. And
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 3: it's had a couple of good preseasons. Maybe somebody you
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 3: know is still.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 4: Elevate Raager two weeks and then see where we're at.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 3: Maybe we just Yeah, but the safety he's looking for
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 3: is Jalen Hawkins. Like Jalen Hawkins is going to be
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 3: the darn harmon of this all, you know, if everything
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 3: works out. Dell Pettis to me is a little bit
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 3: more slot. I kind of, you know, in the box
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 3: type of thing.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 5: I do kind of agree with his line of thought,
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 5: not with Dell Pettis. I don't think he's ready for
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 5: for a role on defense. But I found it interesting
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 5: because I think the three of us all thought the
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 5: same with Jalen Hawkins, like, oh maybe this is a guy. Yeah,
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 5: he doesn't really like playing like that. I don't know you,
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 5: I know you talked to him for a while. Yeah, Mike,
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 5: you know during camp he he fancies himself like like
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 5: another Dugger in Peppers. He wants to lay the lumber
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 5: and he wants to be in the back. No, he
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 5: talks about his versatility. That's yeah, all those guys do.
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 5: But I think he's more comfortable playing like Dugger and
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 5: Peppers than he would be playing like Devin mccordy.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm not sure how they'll use him, but yeah,
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 6: the day I talked to him too, he like came
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 6: off the edge and had like a tackle for loss
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 6: and he was in the backfield a lot.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 4: So I don't know. I'm I'm thinking that probably what.
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 6: They're gonna do is they're gonna use three and it's gonna.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 5: And if they're going to all those things. You know,
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 5: Duly noted, we know what you want to do. This
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 5: is what you're going to do. Yeah, you know, but
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 5: it's you know, you could have Dougs and then on
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 5: Brian Belichick at.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 6: The snap they're out. You know, it's I think they'll
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 6: play with those guys a lot. I'm just I am
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 6: curious though, how much Hawkins play is on defense. If
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 6: this is still a pure three safety defense that that's
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 6: kind of where we want to live, or is it
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 6: going to be more traditional with the two.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 4: Guys and more of slot What do you guys?
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 3: Guy, I think it's still gonna be three safety heavy
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 3: because I just think it gives you so much flexibility
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 3: of where Duggar and Pepper's can be. Like those two
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 3: guys need to be as close to the ball as possible,
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 3: because what.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 5: Do you do if you're a nickel, Like if let's
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 5: say there's only five.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 6: I mean, I would probably say it depends on the offense.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 6: And you know, we are we looking at a small,
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 6: quick slot receiver? Are we looking at you know, like
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 6: if you have Yoshivas this week and you know, bigger guy,
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 6: like I don't know, I would say it's more matchup base,
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 6: but it gets into that.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 5: Guy with Loger. Sorry, yeah, I just don't know how
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 5: much that made perfectly.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 6: I just don't know what they truly feel about Hawkins,
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 6: if they really believe he's a guy that can play defense,
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 6: or if they're kind of like he's going to be
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 6: a special teamer for us and he can fill in,
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 6: but he's not going to be part of the plan.
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 5: And that's what I do think you'll say more of
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 5: Hawkins than Marcus Jones if there's only five, but guys nailed,
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 5: like if he depends like this week, it's a dependent
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 5: it's there an eleven personnel team Cincinnati, three wide receivers
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 5: burrowing the gun like that's how they play offense.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 3: So now it's probably gonna be a little bit more
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 3: traditional three corner nickel. But when you play Miami and
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 3: they might be a little heavier and try to run
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 3: the ball like. That's always a tough thing to me
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 3: with teams like Miami is that they like to put
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 3: the corners in the fit in the run game. They
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 3: run outside zone. They try to get outside the tackles
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 3: and make you fit the ball with the corners.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 5: And now about that Moster touchdown run. Yeah, late late
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 5: in Week two last year.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Like maybe that's like a little bit.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 5: More nothing for that.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 2: I'm just numb to it.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 5: It was. It was one of those plays where it's
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 5: exactly the way I haven't just described. You get cornerbacks
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 5: in bad situations, and I think that was one of
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 5: the rare plays that Christian Gonzalez looked like a rookie
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 5: last year, that long touchdown run by.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 2: So we already weighed in our key player on each
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 2: side of the ball for the Patriots.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 3: Like for the entire season, just for this game for
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 3: both sides. Yeah, of the ball. Offensively, I'll go choo
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 3: score for. I just think Henderson Trey Hendrickson is one
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 3: of the best in the league in my opinion, really
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 3: underrated player. He's seventeen and a half sacks last year.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 3: I don't feel like that gets talked about enough. And
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 3: you usually likes line up over the left tackle, and
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 3: if you're gonna have any sort of passing game success,
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 3: that's where it starts. In terms of the blocking. Is
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 3: is bocking Hendrickson defensively? I think it's gotta be Gonzalez, Like,
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 3: you know, you gotta have, you gotta be able to
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 3: take one of the receivers out relatively, Like, we're not
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 3: gonna shut out Jamar Chase, but you gotta take one
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 3: of those guys out without having to tilt the coverage
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 3: in their direction. If you had to tilt the coverage
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 3: in everybody's direction, now you're in trouble. So he's gonna
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 3: have to be Stefan Gilmour light Like they're gonna have
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 3: to be able to say, you have t Higgins this week,
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 3: and if he goes for a buck twenty, then fine,
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 3: but like, let's make it for eight catches, right, like,
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 3: just don't give up three big plays or something like that.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 3: But you're going to be on an island against this
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 3: guy and it's up to you to figure it out.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah, So what do you think if Chase doesn't play.
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 5: I'm just like scrolling through Twitter to see if there's
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 5: anything out of Cincinnati. I don't really see anything. But
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 5: if Chase doesn't play, does that afford you the luxury
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 5: of just sort of ridiculously taking Higgins out of the
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 5: game with multiple people and then making those other guys
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 5: beat you. Charlie Trent Irwin.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 3: Charlie Jones, Yeah from Purdue, Yeah, ye tight end sample.
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 3: It's it's a good question. I I feel like they
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 3: should put Gonzo on T Higgins regardless, and then if
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 3: Chase does play, then you bracket him, tilt the coverage.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: That's what I think. If you you drafted this guy
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: in the first round, let's not forget Yeah, so he
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 2: should he should match up on T Higgins. And now,
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 2: like you said, Evan, it frees up the defense.
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 5: What if Chase plays, you think he No, even.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 2: If Chase doesn't play, put him on T Higgins.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 5: If it doesn't play out. Yeah, absolutely, I agree with that. Yeah,
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 5: Like there's no one else. Why would I waste them
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 5: on Yeshivas.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 3: No, I'm boxing Wanning T Higgins like Gonzo, you have
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 3: T Higgins. The other ten guys, we're gonna worry about
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 3: Jamar Chase, Right If Jamar Chase doesn't play, I don't
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 3: think it changes much. It's just now it's a little
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 3: bit easier for the other ten guys without Chasing there.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 3: But that's the way I hope that they kind of
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 3: approach the entire season with some of these offenses that
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 3: have multiple receivers like that. I'm not sure if Gonzo
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 3: is quite ready to be on an island against Jamar Chase,
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 3: but he probably is ready to be on an island
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 3: against T.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 2: Higgins.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 3: So you know, if you have like the Eagles, you
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 3: know DeVante Smith a J. Brown, like maybe you know
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 3: he covers Davante Smith and then the attention goes to
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 3: AJ Brown. Yeah, you know that sort of thing.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 2: Yep, And we I said, I think you agreed. I
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 2: don't know, just Romandre Stevenson on off that.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 5: Was mine, you said, Gonzales, and I agree with.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 2: You know what we said both sides of the ball.
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 3: I agree with Yeah, I'm a little worried about that.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 5: Like me too.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 2: I don't love you don't want to run them?
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 5: He worried me more today.
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 3: I don't want to run them. I don't want to
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 3: be one of these teams. We got to establish the run.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 3: We got to come in here today and we got
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 3: to run it down there.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 2: They kind of said, and has been saying throughout camp.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 3: That worries me.
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, but like if he's true to what
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 2: he says Lee all the way up to today, ramondre
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 2: Stein said, better have a good game.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 3: But why can't Remandre Stevenson have a good game In
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 3: the third and fourth quarter, like when you're playing with
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 3: what you.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: Have to have a lead.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but but why But I would say that you're
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 3: better off having the lead if you throw it early,
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 3: especially on first down, like if you go first and
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 3: ten three yard runs, second and seven three yard run.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 3: Now we're in third down. Now we got to make
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 3: a play up.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 2: We're so what's what's you know, in all fairness, what's
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 2: the better strategy for trying to win this game? Throwing
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 2: the ball and trying to get a lead or sure.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 5: I think the first run game the first thing to
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 5: me and I.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 2: But are we equipped to do the first thing?
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 5: Well, if you're not equipped to you're not equiped to
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 5: win games. That's the league. Well they're not equipped to
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 5: run the ball and shorten the game and win that way. Okay,
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 5: well my teams aren't equipped to do that. I know
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 5: those are the age old cliches. What's shortened the game,
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 5: But that's not a way to try to win on
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 5: a consistent basis.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 2: I didn't say that consistent.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 5: So I would say you know that in my in
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 5: my view, it's just my opinion. I think Mike and
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 5: Evan agree with me. Is throwing the ball on early
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 5: downs to try to get the lead. I think it's
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 5: always the goal as buildings to say, well we hunter believe,
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 5: but always try to get converse. The best way to
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 5: get a lead is by throwing the ball and scoring.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 2: On no doubt. But the downside of doing that is
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: if you're three and out the first three series, now
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 2: you're down ten nothing before you know it.
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 5: Right, So why can why are you eliminating three and
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 5: out the first three series by running the ball?
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 2: Well, the hope is that you don't go three and out.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 5: Just like the hope is that I'm completing the pass first.
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 2: Knowing this team, what's the better what's the better strategy?
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 5: Guys did it? We would just kumba yeah for you guys.
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 2: But knowing now I'm in, knowing what we've got in
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 2: this team, what's the best strategy.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna say the same thing. I don't think they
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 5: ran it from here to there all summer except for
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 5: against the Washington Commanders.
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 6: Throw it to the tight ends early. I mean I
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 6: look at it even from the which was defensive standpoint.
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 5: Line, it's not that easy. They like, listen, offense is
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 5: going to be a problem. Yeah, I mean, I don't
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 5: think we're speaking out of school.
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 3: I would just like if I was them and Fred
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 3: you said this a couple of weeks ago. I believe
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 3: with the sixth offensive lineman, they did that a ton.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 3: This the Browns did when Jacob sat started against the
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 3: Bengals in twenty twenty two. They played six oer linemen
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 3: twenty two times in that game. On offense, they put
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 3: six guys on the line of scrimmage. They left the
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 3: back end to pass protect off play action, and the
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 3: Bengals answered it all with single high right, they put
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 3: the single high safety. Nick Chubb's not gonna beat us.
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 3: You guys can't throw it past us. And what did
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 3: Jacob Weer said do he tore them up in single
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 3: coverage down the field off play action. I would much
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 3: rather them come out aggressively like that. On first down,
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 3: run put him under center, put him in a run formation,
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 3: play action, pass hunter, Henry, and let's try to hit
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 3: some plays down the field and get the offense moving.
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 3: And then once you do that, now the defense has
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 3: to counter. And now you can run the ball like
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 3: if you're trying to run the ball into seven eight
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 3: man boxes all the time. Because that they know that
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 3: you're trying to establish the run and be the tougher
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 3: win the line of scrimmage and all this crap like
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 3: then we're we're gonna score fourteen points. Like it trives
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 3: me nuts. It's like, what was that even faking? It's
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 3: exactly what I would.
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 6: Tell Cincinnati to do too, to take advantage, you know,
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 6: take advantage of the heavy New England defensive personnel and
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 6: throw right at him when they're gonna be you know,
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 6: probably more likely to be too gapping in those early
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 6: downs that there's not gonna be penetration.
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 4: He's gonna have some time. Like I just I think
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 4: it's a it's a favorable strategy.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 3: So Jamar Chase is at practice today in uniform, So
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 3: oh great, there goes my upsettings for nothing.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, there's still still he's still not going to be
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 5: ready to play and he's going to pull a hamstring.
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 4: Has he been conditioning?
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 5: I don't know, I get it, get I assume he is.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 5: But I do think today was the day, Like I
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 5: was talking to Fred likenesday, Yeah, ga, but Wednesday is
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 5: a day that you sort of if you haven't done
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 5: anything all summer, you sort of need to be involved
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 5: in the game plan that right, And if you're not,
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 5: I would have said that he wouldn't play, but now
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 5: I would say he's probably tracking him to play.
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 6: It's kind of stink if he has a great if
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 6: he just plays in as a great game and no
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 6: training camp.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 4: Just you know, Waltz is in Wednesday.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 5: Before we talking about something that the other thirty one
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 5: coaches are ready to go, right, you know what I mean,
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 5: like him having a great season after skipping all of
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 5: training camp, right right, that's not what the other thirty
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 5: one coaches want to see.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 2: Uh Carter and Santa Clarita, California.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 6: Yeah, oh yeah, beautiful ye beautiful Carver not personally I've
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 6: heard about him.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 2: A new listener to the show, but a longtime Patriots
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 2: fan going back to the Tony years, and now that
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 2: I've discovered your show, I'll be tuning in regularly. Thank you.
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 2: My question is about Cole Strange. I know he's starting
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 2: the year on the pup list, but I've heard disparagingly
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 2: slash snide comments out of the corner of your mouths
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 2: in passing a few times his name has been brought
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 2: up in recent weeks. Can you fill me in on
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 2: the status of the recovery and what you think his
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 2: future is in New England. I don't know if we've
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 2: been we can talk about like I'll admit, but I
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 2: think we talked about like is there any hope but
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 2: maybe you could play center.
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 3: This year when you draft a guy in the first
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 3: round and you're like, well, maybe he could play a
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 3: different position, that's usually.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 2: As long as he's good at it went from corner
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 2: to safety, it didn't hurt ye.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 4: Back into the mix.
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 6: I don't know if he's gonna be able to do anything,
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 6: but when you're looking at a practice squad guy maybe
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 6: starting at left guard, I'll put Cold Strange in to
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 6: that mix and see if he can improve things.
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 4: You know, I don't know, but.
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 3: It's a little like Taekwon, right, Like your only hope
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 3: with Cold Strange is that the scheme change actually could,
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 3: out of anybody, probably benefit him the most. But now
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 3: they're running a lot of this outside zone stuff that
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 3: maybe he's just wasn't a fit in what they now.
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 3: It doesn't help him in past protection being on skates
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 3: all the time, Like that's got to work on that separately.
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 3: But maybe the scheme itself, it's just a good.
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 2: I mean Strange had some good games.
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he wasn't he wasn't always terrible, but he struggled
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 5: for the most part in his two seasons. Right Yeah, Now,
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 5: I would say to Carter, you know, I do think
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 5: he had his knee injuries not running the mill. It
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 5: was a torn pateller tendon, which is significant. He does
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 5: not look like he's moving great to me even now.
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 5: I don't know how you guys have felt watching him
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 5: walk around the locker room. Some of that might be
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 5: that just that normal athlete football like sometimes looks injured always.
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 5: We used to say it about Teddy Bruski always looked
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 5: like everything hurt all the time when he walked, and
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 5: he never missed games, almost never missed games. So I
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 5: don't know if he's how close he is to being healthy.
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 5: It's at least four games on PUP, so scratch off September,
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 5: and then how much time would he need to sort
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 5: of get up to game speed in October if he
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 5: were to be activated on the practice field before he
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 5: could be a legitimate option to start.
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 3: I just wonder when he comes back, and I know
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 3: we're doing a lot of un cold strained, but if
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 3: Leyden Robinson is decent for a rookie at least, and
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 3: you already have City in there, and there's a possibility
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 3: that on Win, who is also a factor in the
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 3: interior too, there just might not be a spot for him, like,
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 3: especially if they're playing decently well, like you only would
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 3: really go to that. I feel like if it's a mess,
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 3: which I don't think it might be, but if it's not,
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 3: then you're not really going to shake up the five
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 3: guys that are rolling just to get him back in
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 3: the line.
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 6: Of I mean, I hope City Sou can get rolling.
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 6: I mean that's I just I think there's still just
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 6: this big question marks there as there is everywhere else
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 6: on the line somewhere. So I say so, But sometimes,
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 6: Mike Reverse, you think I would get it because I'm
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 6: a do so, not a dousal, And I doesn't make
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 6: that note.
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 5: It's not like sexual assault. No, that's Shandler John units, big,
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 5: big units.
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 2: Carter also says the Patriots first round pick in twenty
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 2: twenty five has to be a tackle. I don't care
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 2: if the Patriots draft first overall next year. It has
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 2: to be a tackle. Until the offensive line is fixed,
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 2: nothing else will work.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 4: Okay, it's a chandelier though, right, it's not.
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 5: It has to be a tackle, I think.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 2: I think if they pick a tackle, wherever they pick,
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 2: he has to be a good player.
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 5: No, I would probably right now before the season probably
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 5: agree with that, Like it's probably gonna be Evans guy
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 5: there Will Campbell. Uh, you know, if they can't, if
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 5: they can get whatever makes a lot of sense. I
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 5: don't think you have to take.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 4: A tackle may make sense to I think's a lot.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 5: Of things that would make sense. This is the you know,
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 5: the silver lining of not being expected to be a
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 5: great team is you have a lot of options come
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 5: draft time, right.
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 3: Especially if you don't need a quarterback. But I think
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 3: it has to be a tackle. But that's how I
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 3: feel today. That's how I feel today. If Caden Wallace
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 3: ends up being a dude, then maybe changed my mind
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 3: six months from now. But it just seems to me
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 3: that protecting Drake May and keeping him up right for
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 3: the next decade is so much more important than anything
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 3: else that we could talk about. Ye and I know
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 3: we're going to talk about some guys on defense in
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 3: this draft. How we're going to talk about burden and
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 3: McMillan and the receivers too, but they there's two really
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 3: really blue chip level tackle prospects in Will Campbell and
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 3: Calvin Banks from Texas that are the two of the
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 3: the better guys that I've seen the last couple of years.
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 3: Like up there with like Alt and those guys, it
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 3: just seems like such a slam dunk, Like why would you.
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 4: Get this on the draft?
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 6: As you said, with you know, strong class with a
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 6: couple of tackles and as well. Yeah, it's like the
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 6: perfect case is like you're one or two trade down.
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 6: You got to first rounds, you know, and you're able
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 6: to get maybe wide receiver the trade down.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 2: I want to live in a football world we don't
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 2: have to talk about offensive line anymore. Yeah, you know
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 2: what I mean, Like remember those days, Remember those days.
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 5: I'm always in that, you know, I'm always in.
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 2: My second favorite patriot of all time is John Hannah.
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 4: But did you kiss him?
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 2: But you didn't have to talk about line, you know,
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 2: like it was just it was just you could depend
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 2: on it. It was going to do its job every week,
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 2: and you can focus on the receivers and the running
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 2: backs and the quarterbacks and.
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 3: You know, you can find receivers, and you can find
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 3: edge guys in free agency a lot of the time,
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 3: or at least in the trade market with receivers, I
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 3: mean they get Judon as a free agent. Like those
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 3: guys come available. Great left tackles do not come available,
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 3: like you just you don't see them move very often
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 3: for the team to team. You got to get that
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 3: in the draft. Like if they get the left tackle
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 3: in the draft, like they can go and sign to Higgins,
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 3: like he's probably going to be available and they can
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 3: give him the most money and get him to come
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 3: here hopefully, and now that problem is solved too. So
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 3: I just that's the biggest thing to me is like
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 3: asset management of like how what's going to be available
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 3: and what's not. And the tackles don't come available.
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 6: They just don't such an attitude position to like I
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 6: think Logan Mankins was kind of an attitude guy. I mean,
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 6: you gut Trent Williams just his presence, Like it's just
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 6: they just kind of changed the whole dynamic when you
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 6: have those kind of you know guys Trump Brown that
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 6: one good Yearady had here, Like you know, just presence,
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 6: like if you walk on the field you know, like
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 6: I just haven't felt that way. Like it just feels
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 6: like they've been trying to scrape it together anyway they
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 6: can and put this guy here.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 4: And I don't know, we got to put this guy
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 4: over here, and like so.
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 2: You know, when I came here, it was Bruce Armstrong.
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 2: He was the guy. And then they got Matt lighte Ye.
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 8: You know.
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 3: They had a great run of tackle for a while.
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then they sold her who he was. Okay,
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 2: he had his issues, but then since then it's been
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 2: kind of a missmat Win.
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 5: Isaiah Winn was supposed to he was supposed to be
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 5: the fort and he didn't do it.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like Nate's Solder now. I would love
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 3: Nates Holder, Like, can we get an Aids Solder now?
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 3: Because I understand that on a team of a perfect
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 3: team like the twenty fourteen and twenty sixteen Patriots, Like
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 3: maybe he's not the best player on the roster, but
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 3: they would love to have an Aids Solder if right
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 3: about it?
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 2: Yep, let's see Jordan and Hawaii. I've seen other people
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 2: in Boston media Paul shows say that the Patriots need
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 2: another veteran quarterback on the roster personally, I don't see
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 2: any reason for that. What benefit does that give you?
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 2: You have a starting veteran and when Drake starts he'll
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 2: be there, He'll still be there. Do you think they
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 2: should sign another backup quarterback? If so, who, No.
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 3: I'm good with their quarterbacks.
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 4: It's good.
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah. People that want to sign a veteran are people
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 5: who don't want May to play as a rookie. They
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 5: wanted him to develop and just sit for THEE and
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 5: take a red shirt year. I do not I'm not
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 5: in that category, but if they didn't want him to play,
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 5: I would agree with that. You want you have to
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 5: get a veteran who can play.
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 6: I think the better question is do you think it
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 6: will be May and Milton next year? They try to
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 6: bring back somebody like Rosette too, you know, deep bring
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 6: back an experience.
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it won't be set but I think they'll be
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 5: in the market for a veteran backup like.
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 3: A Brian More Brian Hoyer. Yeah, but maybe I wouldn't
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 3: be surprised if they drafted another quarterback too, Like like a.
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 5: Good move today, you know, probably not an impact thing,
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 5: but like Houston resigning or extending Davis Mills. Yeah, you
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 5: know that to me makes sense. I don't know if
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 5: Joe Milton will be in a position next year even
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 5: to be a reliable backup. You know, he's got a
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 5: long way to go.
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 2: Let's see Marissa from Hamilton Almerio love the show. Thanks
• 1:52:53
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• 1:52:56
  Speaker 2: I've been doing my best to find moments of excitement
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 2: and joy these last few years. So it brought a
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 2: huge smile to my face when I found out this
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 2: morning that Danny and Mondola is going to be on
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 2: this season's Dancing with the Stars. Can't wait to see
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 2: his moves on the dance floor and whichever of his
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 2: Patriots buddies show up to support him in the audience.
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 6: I saw him dance a little bit like they had
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 6: like the premiere show, and I saw the clip, but
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 6: this is what like his second or third reality show.
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 6: I saw him on a look it's like a Navy
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 6: seal training show as well, Danny Ammendola making.
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 2: It's so funny. These guys just life after football and
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 2: what they're doing, you.
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 4: Know aways fashion too. He's got like all these like crazy.
• 1:53:42
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  Speaker 2: That's bad. I mean you still get the crank windows. Paul,
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  Speaker 2: you need to get a new car. You need to
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  Speaker 5: I think you know why I can't get.
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  Speaker 5: Wrest you got.
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  Speaker 3: You got five years, you have a car phone.
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  Speaker 2: With all the shows that you done, you get more
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  Speaker 2: side hustles and you know, I know, why do you
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  Speaker 2: think I do that show?
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  Speaker 3: Still automatic?
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  Speaker 2: What was the show Boogaloo Knights?
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  Speaker 5: I don't have that side.
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  Speaker 3: You don't have that kind of side side if you
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  Speaker 2: With that, we'll call it a show.
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  Speaker 5: You're gonna leave a guy on the wane.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll be back tomorrow. When is Catch twenty two?
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  Speaker 2: This week?
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  Speaker 3: Tomorrow?
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  Speaker 2: After tomorrow, after Patriots Unfiltered? You have to playbook with
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  Speaker 2: John Brook coming in next?
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  Speaker 8: Uh?
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  Speaker 2: John Rook graciously said he'll do it from the comfy seats,
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  Speaker 2: though Matt Morale doesn't have to change right Yep. So
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