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Meltdown's Lament · Movie Meltdown

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Speaker 5: What's up and welcome to Movie Meltdown. I'm Brian.
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Speaker 6: I'm Nora.
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Speaker 7: I'm Ben.
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Speaker 8: I'm Phillip.
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Speaker 9: And we're coming to you live via digital recording from
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Speaker 9: the Oddity Studios on a lovely, like, ridiculously lovely day. So,
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Speaker 9: of course, I had to drag you guys inside so
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Speaker 9: that you don't get to have fun in it. So,
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Speaker 9: you're welcome. So, I thought, once again, we're gathered together.
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Speaker 9: It's been a few weeks.
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Speaker 3: Dearly beloved.
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Speaker 9: Dearly beloved.
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Speaker 10: Let's start some.
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Speaker 3: I don't know what happened.
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Speaker 9: I'm sorry. This is not... brought to you by m
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Speaker 9: & ms but if they'd like to kick in money
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Speaker 9: feel free but yes we're all together so i thought
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Speaker 9: let's discuss some things we've seen lately uh i just
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Speaker 9: watched the um i wanted to see it since i
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Speaker 9: saw the trailer like last year i know because we
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Speaker 9: talked about it on the episode at the time and
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Speaker 9: i was just like all right this actually legitimately looks
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Speaker 9: good uh bad times at el royale oh I wanted
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Speaker 9: to see that one. Yeah, has anybody seen it?
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Speaker 3: I came very close to seeing it.
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Speaker 9: It is as good as I expected and actually kind
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Speaker 9: of a little more impressive. Just once I got into it,
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Speaker 9: the more and more you kind of look at everything
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Speaker 9: else going on, it's kind of amazing how much effort
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Speaker 9: they put into this. And then I started thinking because
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Speaker 9: I watched the little behind the scenes and it's like
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Speaker 9: bringing up Drew Goddard. And I'm like, why do I,
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Speaker 9: I know, like, I really know that name. I was like,
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Speaker 9: isn't he like Buffy related? So if you go back
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Speaker 9: far enough, he was writing for Buffy. Then the reason
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Speaker 9: I was like, oh, no wonder I know him. He's
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Speaker 9: the creator of the Daredevil series. So like, obviously he
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Speaker 9: knows kind of what he's doing as far as like
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Speaker 9: these stories. But yeah, it's sort of film noir in
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Speaker 9: the best possible way. Like it's a neo-noir kind of thing,
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Speaker 9: but it's also the If there's a gimmick, like, but
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Speaker 9: I mean gimmick even within the story, like it's meant
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Speaker 9: to be a gimmick. The El Royale is a hotel
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Speaker 9: and it is literally on, and I mean that by
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Speaker 9: dividing line running through, it is a hotel on the
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Speaker 9: border of Nevada and California. And the line runs through
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Speaker 9: the middle of the lobby. And there's so much so
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Speaker 9: that like you can drink in one state, but you
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Speaker 9: can't like over here. You can gamble in this state,
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Speaker 9: but you can't over here. So like you can wander
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Speaker 9: back and forth within the lobby and partake in all this.
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Speaker 9: except like a year or two before they lost their
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Speaker 9: gambling license. So now we're on like the down and
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Speaker 9: out years of the El Royale. So the whole thing
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Speaker 9: kind of centers around this and almost never leaves this hotel.
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Speaker 9: And it's pretty amazing. And again, in the trailer, you're
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Speaker 9: looking at Chris Hemsworth and you're like, damn, he's studly.
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Speaker 9: And then like you realize like within the context of
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Speaker 9: the movie, no, there's a reason he's that damn charismatic. Like, yup.
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Speaker 9: And my initial issue was, as I previously stated, problems
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Speaker 9: with Dakota Johnson. Dakota, there we go. We never fully
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Speaker 9: discussed after I saw the Suspiria thing, but to me
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Speaker 9: she was the problem in Suspiria. And she doesn't have
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Speaker 9: enough to do in this to really become an issue.
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Speaker 9: I mean, all she's asked to do is be kind
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Speaker 9: of pissy and annoyed at everyone and rude, and she
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Speaker 9: does all those pretty well. So again, she, sometimes you
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Speaker 9: can cast within what a person does.
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Speaker 11: Okay.
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Speaker 9: And it doesn't hurt the overall project, but everybody else
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Speaker 9: is like amazing.
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Speaker 11: It's yeah.
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Speaker 9: It's surprisingly well put together. The time that they put
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Speaker 9: into just like color coordinating, like each side of the
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Speaker 9: hotel has its own color theme. And like, even within
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Speaker 9: the plot, they have like reasons why, like we don't
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Speaker 9: use this color or this is like the, like everybody's
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Speaker 9: costume sort of fits into it. Like, They spent so
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Speaker 9: much time on the backstory. That's why I was kind
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Speaker 9: of like, this Drew Goddard guy, I know I know
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Speaker 9: him for a reason. And yeah, he put a ridiculous
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Speaker 9: amount of time into it. So it's got, yeah, it's
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Speaker 9: got a great soundtrack. Like everything about it is kind
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Speaker 9: of worth watching. So I was impressed with it.
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Speaker 3: Didn't he do Cabin in the Woods too?
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Speaker 9: Yeah, that was the other, I went back. That was
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Speaker 9: the only other like feature thing that he'd done, which
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Speaker 9: I always kind of threw it out that half of
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Speaker 9: that was sort of, I don't know. I wondered how
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Speaker 9: much was him directing versus... Because that's Joss too, wasn't it?
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Speaker 9: So I kind of wondered if that was kind of
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Speaker 9: co-done by Joss, especially since he hadn't done a feature before,
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Speaker 9: how much Joss sort of came in and helped run everything.
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Speaker 9: But I felt more problems with that. I haven't revisited it,
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Speaker 9: so I kind of need to go back and re-watch
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Speaker 9: Cabin in the Woods.
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Speaker 3: It takes a while to ramp up for me.
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Speaker 9: And it feels like it's not... trying that hard in
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Speaker 9: the beginning like it's it's obviously making fun of those
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Speaker 9: kind of horror movies but it didn't seem like it
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Speaker 9: was doing it in a super clever way right it
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Speaker 9: just seemed like it was very blatantly making fun of
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Speaker 9: dumb horror movies i'm like yeah but again i think
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Speaker 9: i had set my heights a little higher because i
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Speaker 9: knew joss was involved so i was like i expect
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Speaker 9: him to you know write really impressive stuff and this
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Speaker 9: just seems like again if i didn't know any of
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Speaker 9: the people involved i might be like that's fine it's
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Speaker 9: pretty cool As a concept. And by the end, it is.
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Speaker 9: It's an amazing concept. But, yeah, that first half just
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Speaker 9: seemed clunky at the time. But, again, I'll revisit. But, yeah,
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Speaker 9: El Royale is pretty badass.
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Speaker 10: I kind of got... What was that movie that came
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Speaker 10: out with, like, John Cusack and, like, all those people
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Speaker 10: at the motel?
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Speaker 3: It really, like.
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Speaker 9: I was kind of thinking that.
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Speaker 12: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Um.
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Speaker 9: What was that?
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Speaker 10: Like when I saw the trailer for El Royale, I
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Speaker 10: was like, okay, this is clearly going to have some
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Speaker 10: like insane twist or something to it.
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Speaker 3: I feel like.
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Speaker 13: The room 413 or whatever.
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Speaker 9: No but he also is in that I was getting
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Speaker 9: those vibes too.
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Speaker 10: Yeah he was in that too yeah John Cusack he
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Speaker 10: likes hanging out in motels he's.
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Speaker 9: Like look I'll show up but you gotta get me
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Speaker 9: a hotel room I'll be mostly in a hotel can
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Speaker 9: you just write the movie in a.
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Speaker 3: Hotel yeah once I check in I am not.
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Speaker 9: Leaving I'm not leaving I'll be lucky to not show
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Speaker 9: up in PJ's because I am settling into this hotel
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Speaker 9: trying to figure out what that.
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Speaker 13: One was and you know I feel like John Cusack
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Speaker 13: earned that right Yeah, at this point.
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Speaker 3: He's entertained us all enough.
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Speaker 9: He's logged in a lot of movies, so I'll give
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Speaker 9: him that.
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Speaker 3: I can't remember who else was in it. I just
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Speaker 3: know Ray Liotta.
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Speaker 9: Identity? Yes. I remember, again, I remember watching the trailer
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Speaker 9: for that one thinking it looked like a really cool concept,
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Speaker 9: and the execution is kind of a letdown. Again, because
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Speaker 9: it was right at that era of twist, and it
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Speaker 9: needed to... according to them, needed a twist to make
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Speaker 9: it work. Whereas, again, the first half is set up
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Speaker 9: kind of smart and could have just been about that,
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Speaker 9: and instead they had to work in a weird twist element. So, yeah,
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Speaker 9: Amanda Peete, John Hawks, I think I forgot he.
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Speaker 11: Was in it.
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Speaker 9: Clea Duvall, all right. Jake Busey, hey, this is... Rebecca DeMornay,
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Speaker 9: this is, yeah, we got all kinds of people.
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Speaker 13: It does have everybody.
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Speaker 9: It does, yeah. So... If they delivered on all of
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Speaker 9: that promise, you'd have El Royale. El Royale is worth watching.
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Speaker 9: I was very pleased. I'm glad to hear.
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Speaker 3: It looked good, but I was like, oh.
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Speaker 9: Again, visually. Cinematography. They spent so much time on the
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Speaker 9: visuals making everything look perfect. It's pretty impressive.
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Speaker 12: Am I next? netflix has some good horror movies they
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Speaker 12: also have some bad.
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Speaker 9: Ones we're just adding to our horror club list yeah
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Speaker 9: this is usually where the suggestions have come so far
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Speaker 9: as you're just like but i saw this it's on
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Speaker 9: netflix let's watch it and i'm like okay.
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Speaker 12: Calm down so i watched Green Room on Netflix.
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Speaker 3: That's a great movie.
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Speaker 12: It was awesome.
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Speaker 3: I have been wanting to see that.
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Speaker 9: I love it. I think you more than anyone I
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Speaker 9: know would appreciate this because you know the premise.
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Speaker 13: Right. What I've been told about it, it's like that
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Speaker 13: is right up my alley.
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Speaker 3: It is, yeah.
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Speaker 9: I mean, anybody that's been in a band and played
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Speaker 9: crap shows, this is– You show up and you have
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Speaker 9: no idea where you're going or what kind of place
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Speaker 9: it's going to be or what the crowd's going to
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Speaker 9: be like and how many times has that happened? So
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Speaker 9: that's every show.
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Speaker 3: You're ever at.
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Speaker 9: Yeah. So, yeah, this is exactly, yeah, it's that gone
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Speaker 9: the most wrong a thing can go.
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Speaker 12: But it's like really fun.
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Speaker 9: Yeah.
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Speaker 12: I mean, despite being like super violent.
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Speaker 3: Because somebody told me about it and I was like,
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Speaker 3: that just sounds like a nightmare.
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Speaker 9: And they're like, well, yeah, it is a nightmare.
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Speaker 3: It is, honestly. But an awesome nightmare.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, like it's great. It has like really funny moments
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Speaker 12: in it.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, surprisingly.
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Speaker 12: All the cast is amazing. Patrick Stewart is the owner
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Speaker 12: of a neo-Nazi club.
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Speaker 9: I feel like eventually we'll all come to terms with
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Speaker 9: like just how epically amazing. Like I think we just
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Speaker 9: wrote on like, you know, Star Trek, whatever. And then like, yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 9: he's Professor X. But I'm like- The other stuff he does. Like,
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Speaker 9: he is so good all around. I mean, not that
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Speaker 9: he hasn't been around Excalibur. I mean, he's been doing
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Speaker 9: this forever. But, like, yeah, he is just so amazing. Like,
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Speaker 9: to watch him do this kind of performance is like....
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Speaker 13: Man, I love Patrick Stewart.
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Speaker 9: Oh, yeah.
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Speaker 12: And I love that he didn't even, like, change his
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Speaker 12: voice at all. Like, you'd think if you're playing this, like,
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Speaker 12: neo-Nazi club owner in, like, rural Oregon that you might...
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Speaker 12: Not have the Patrick Stewart voice, but he's just, just
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Speaker 12: Patrick Stewart.
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Speaker 9: That's what I said, though. I'm like, well, but nobody,
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Speaker 9: you never know what a neo-Nazi is going to look
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Speaker 9: like now. So, like, the other yokel Americans didn't change their,
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Speaker 9: that seems fitting, but I'm like, you kind of don't know.
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Speaker 9: The world we live in, you don't know who these
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Speaker 9: people are that you're around all day long. So, I
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Speaker 9: kind of like that it's just like, you never know
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Speaker 9: who falls in this category. And who's going to be
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Speaker 9: your worst nightmare. Yeah.
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Speaker 12: It was so fun though and the special effects are
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Speaker 12: like it's.
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Speaker 9: Bad horribly awesome some really bad.
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Speaker 12: Stuff happens but yeah it just feels kind of like
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Speaker 12: a crazy fever dream punk rock like That movie.
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Speaker 10: I thought, was just terrifying. Like, I think it was
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Speaker 10: scarier than any movie I've seen in, like, the last
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Speaker 10: 10 years. Just seeing that in the theater, like, I
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Speaker 10: guess you could.
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Speaker 3: It's technically sort of a horror premise, but it's also.
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Speaker 10: It's just realistic enough to be.
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Speaker 9: It's real world, I think, is why it's so horrifying.
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Speaker 9: Because all of this, like, it doesn't get supernatural. Like,
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Speaker 9: all of these things could really be happening to someone
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Speaker 9: right now. Maybe you. Depending on where you end up, so... Yeah,
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Speaker 9: I think it's the reality of it that makes it
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Speaker 9: so horrifying. And I really like Imogene Poots. Some of
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Speaker 9: it's just because I like saying Imogene Poots.
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Speaker 13: How can you not?
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Speaker 9: I don't think I... It was halfway in before I'm like,
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Speaker 9: oh wait, she's so drastically different looking. Yep, Imogene Poots.
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Speaker 12: So grungy.
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Speaker 9: I can't watch anything while we're on that universe kick,
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Speaker 9: but anything with Anton Yelchin... It's just depressing, really. Like,
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Speaker 9: he's so talented, you know? It's like we all got
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Speaker 9: robbed on that one. Like, stupid car manufacturers.
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Speaker 12: Poor guy.
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Speaker 9: But yeah, I mean, he had like 12 things that
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Speaker 9: he'd already finished that kept coming out after he died.
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Speaker 9: And like each one, you're just like, damn, he's good
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Speaker 9: in this too. Like, I mean, I guess it was
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Speaker 9: good that we got all those extra things after he
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Speaker 9: was already gone. But yeah, it just kind of hammers
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Speaker 9: it home that like, man, how talented... He was, and
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Speaker 9: what we could have had had he lived to be
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Speaker 9: an old man, like.
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Speaker 5: Yep.
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Speaker 12: R.I.P.
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Speaker 9: He's more than just a weird Russian guy flying in
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Speaker 9: a spaceship. It's like we were in that universe, though.
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Speaker 9: That's still a pretty good thing to be, though. Yeah,
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Speaker 9: but he's barely in those. It's funny, that's still the
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Speaker 9: thing he's known most for, but I don't know. I mean,
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Speaker 9: that last one... He really is barely in. They had
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Speaker 9: to be like tribute to him at the end of
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Speaker 9: the credits, but I'm like, he's got like 10 minutes
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Speaker 9: accumulative in the whole movie. Like he's just so not
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Speaker 9: one of the leads in that series. So it's funny
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Speaker 9: that he got as big as he did for being
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Speaker 9: in that, I guess just because it's so high profile,
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Speaker 9: but still. Yeah, that's, he's got so much more to
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Speaker 9: offer than what he gets to do when he says Wessels.
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Speaker 9: It's adorable. Don't get me wrong.
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Speaker 10: Uh, yeah, I saw a great, uh, French horror film
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Speaker 10: called revenge. Um, uh, yeah, very, very basic title, but.
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Speaker 3: I, it's honestly, I thought it was brilliant.
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Speaker 10: It's the subject matter is, uh, is definitely based on
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Speaker 10: kind of the, I spit on your grave, like female
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Speaker 10: revenge tradition, which kind of like, you're like, uh, you know,
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Speaker 10: this is going to be heavy, but it's so well, uh,
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Speaker 10: handled and it kind of just, I don't know. It,
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Speaker 10: it inverses a lot of like the.
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Speaker 3: Is that inverse?
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Speaker 9: Inverse.
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Speaker 4: Perverts.
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Speaker 7: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, sure.
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Speaker 10: Um, But in an awesome way, it just kind of
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Speaker 10: like changes the whole mold for that kind of genre.
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Speaker 10: And like, I just can't, it's basically, it feels like
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Speaker 10: there's no going back as far as like, if this
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Speaker 10: is going to keep being like this, like really like
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Speaker 10: intense conversation. kind of horror movie like it's gonna be
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Speaker 10: like based on this movie from now on is this like.
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Speaker 9: A recently made movie.
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Speaker 10: Yeah it technically it came out in france in 2017
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Speaker 10: but it came out here and kind.
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Speaker 9: Of like still pretty quick for boring usually yeah and
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Speaker 9: we're usually a couple years behind and a lot.
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Speaker 10: Of people and i didn't know about until recently either
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Speaker 10: but it got a small release and you can like
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Speaker 10: uh watch it on things like on voodoo and stuff
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Speaker 10: like that running on on streaming but it Honestly, I
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Speaker 10: would maybe put in my top five best movies of
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Speaker 10: last year. It's just so well made. The director, it's
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Speaker 10: her first movie, and it's just one of those movies
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Speaker 10: that feels like she's made a million movies before. It's
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Speaker 10: just so well handled, and it's funny. It has a
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Speaker 10: lot of visual.
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Speaker 3: Humor, and.
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Speaker 10: There's a lot of subtext going on, a lot of
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Speaker 10: academic kind of... picking apart of like old horror tropes
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Speaker 10: and stuff like that. And it's just, it's awesome.
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Speaker 3: It was so good.
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Speaker 9: Anybody that is recognizable on this side of the ocean?
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Speaker 10: Well, it's French. I didn't recognize anyone. Everyone in it,
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Speaker 10: most of the people are in it. It's like a
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Speaker 10: small cast of like six people total. And most of
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Speaker 10: them are French. The main girl I thought was American
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Speaker 10: because she... speaks English in it with an American accent,
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Speaker 10: but apparently, like, looking at the cast, she's an Italian model.
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Speaker 10: I guess who can speak English very, very well.
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Speaker 11: Interesting.
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Speaker 10: Maybe grew up in the States or something, but half
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Speaker 10: the movie's in French and half of it's in English. And, yeah,
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Speaker 10: so it's like if you don't like subtitles, it's pretty,
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Speaker 10: you know. Damn it.
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Speaker 3: No, it's pretty accessible.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, it's not all, you know, in French, but it's, yeah,
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Speaker 10: it's pretty incredible.
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Speaker 9: Nice.
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Speaker 10: Some of the most gnarly, bloodiest, like, movie deaths I've
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Speaker 10: seen in a while, and I know this is, like,
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Speaker 10: kind of, like, a weird, like, sentiment, but, like, I
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Speaker 10: always love, like, in horror movies, like, scenes that I
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Speaker 10: just think are awesome are when, like, the main person
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Speaker 10: has to, like, heal themselves, and they're like, like hurting
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Speaker 10: themselves really badly as they're healing themselves i think i'm.
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Speaker 3: Gonna dig this yeah like that shit that shit.
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Speaker 10: Never gets old for me i'm like oh my god
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Speaker 10: like but it doesn't the same time it doesn't feel
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Speaker 10: like exploitive because it's like they're they're healing themselves like
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Speaker 10: they're getting better.
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Speaker 9: Rambo's got to stitch up his injury yeah yeah and it's.
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Speaker 10: Just you're like you're like you know rooting for them
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Speaker 10: um but this i feel like has the best like
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Speaker 10: painful like uh uh.
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Speaker 3: I guess like.
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Speaker 10: Self-surgical, I don't want to get too into it, scene
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Speaker 10: that I've.
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Speaker 3: Seen in any movie.
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Speaker 10: But it's like, again, like it weirdly does, it's very
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Speaker 10: violent and like makes you cringe, but it's like done
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Speaker 10: in like a funny, kind of like a fun way,
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Speaker 10: which again, like giving the subject material, it's like, what?
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Speaker 3: How is it fun?
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Speaker 10: But it's just, it was just so well like executed.
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Speaker 9: Guys, I've decided to take my appendix out. Don't bother
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Speaker 9: stopping the party. Just continue on.
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Speaker 3: I'll be over here.
19:05
Speaker 10: Not to be too vague, but just to give a taste,
19:07
Speaker 10: there is a scene where the main character is in
19:10
Speaker 10: a cave and she's by this campfire and she has
19:15
Speaker 10: an open wound on her torso. She's bleeding out and
19:20
Speaker 10: she has to basically cauterize herself with a rolled out
19:26
Speaker 10: beer can that she flattens and holds over the fire.
19:29
Speaker 3: And, okay, so here's why the movie's awesome.
19:32
Speaker 10: Like, she cauterizes herself and, like, passes out and wakes
19:36
Speaker 10: up the next morning. And, like, because the beer can
19:38
Speaker 10: has this, like, eagle, like, emblem on it of this, like,
19:40
Speaker 10: badass eagle, she now has this, eagle branded.
19:44
Speaker 3: Tattoo where her wound was.
19:46
Speaker 10: She gets up and goes on her way to seek revenge.
19:51
Speaker 9: We're all going to start getting those.
19:54
Speaker 3: It's such a great moment.
19:55
Speaker 13: That alone makes me want to watch it.
19:57
Speaker 3: That is so good.
20:02
Speaker 13: I got to see last week on the big screen
20:05
Speaker 13: for the first time in my life, Labyrinth. Which was
20:09
Speaker 13: quite awesome. Hadn't seen that movie in probably 10 or
20:13
Speaker 13: 15 years, and it was so much.
20:15
Speaker 3: Better than I remember it being.
20:19
Speaker 13: My one complaint, and it wasn't with the movie itself,
20:22
Speaker 13: it was the fact that people... would not stop cheering
20:25
Speaker 13: every time David Bowie walked on the screen.
20:27
Speaker 9: I mean, I understand, but we are still trying to
20:30
Speaker 9: watch a movie again.
20:31
Speaker 13: Well, yeah, the first time, you know, the audience exploded,
20:34
Speaker 13: and I was like, okay, and.
20:35
Speaker 3: I clapped along.
20:36
Speaker 10: It's David Bowie.
20:36
Speaker 11: It makes sense.
20:37
Speaker 13: But then it got to be the point where, like,
20:41
Speaker 13: he'd be in a scene with, like, say, Jennifer Connelly,
20:44
Speaker 13: and the camera would cut back and forth between one
20:46
Speaker 13: or the other of them. He'd go off screen, silence.
20:50
Speaker 3: Camera'd cut back to him.
20:52
Speaker 13: Cheers and applause.
20:54
Speaker 3: And it's like, I can't hear what he's saying.
20:57
Speaker 9: They're trying to have a conversation. Calm down.
21:01
Speaker 13: Well, the other complaint was as soon as the movie
21:04
Speaker 13: was over, before the credits start rolling, my wife leans
21:07
Speaker 13: over to me and goes, I forgot how bad the
21:09
Speaker 13: acting was in this movie.
21:11
Speaker 9: So you're not with her anymore.
21:12
Speaker 13: I immediately filed for divorce.
21:14
Speaker 9: It's a given.
21:16
Speaker 1: Well, she.
21:17
Speaker 3: She kept saying, well, I love the movie. I love
21:18
Speaker 3: the movie.
21:19
Speaker 13: I just hate the leads in this.
21:20
Speaker 3: And I'm like, how could you?
21:22
Speaker 9: People love both of those people.
21:23
Speaker 14: Right.
21:24
Speaker 9: If you want to not like anybody, that damn baby
21:27
Speaker 9: doesn't do anything.
21:27
Speaker 10: The puppets were brilliant.
21:29
Speaker 3: Give them all the Oscars. That was another thing I
21:33
Speaker 3: want to mention.
21:34
Speaker 13: The puppetry in that, which, of course, Jim Henson's always great.
21:37
Speaker 9: Yeah.
21:38
Speaker 13: But it just, you know, it makes you think about
21:42
Speaker 13: the special effects in movies now. And it's like they're
21:45
Speaker 13: still so far behind. the realism and.
21:49
Speaker 9: I mean you watch that and you're like there is
21:51
Speaker 9: no green screen here right they're physically doing everything on
21:55
Speaker 9: screen right.
21:55
Speaker 13: Even there is one green scene scene with a little
21:59
Speaker 13: the fire.
22:00
Speaker 9: Guy yeah yeah but even then even then i'm sitting
22:03
Speaker 9: there physically doing it they're.
22:04
Speaker 13: Physically doing it and they're watching the characters and i'm
22:07
Speaker 13: like there's got to be On that character alone, there's
22:10
Speaker 13: got to be at least three puppeteers involved. And there's
22:14
Speaker 13: like five of those guys running around.
22:16
Speaker 9: Constantly running around.
22:17
Speaker 13: Yeah.
22:18
Speaker 9: That one became one that.
22:21
Speaker 9: I mean, I guess it falls into that category, especially
22:25
Speaker 9: at the time they came out. But it became kind
22:27
Speaker 9: of either or for me. And I was always so
22:30
Speaker 9: Dark Crystal Camp that I was like... I think because
22:35
Speaker 9: it's so musical... that I'm like, we don't have to
22:38
Speaker 9: worry about that in Dark Crystal. Like, it's just dark. Like,
22:41
Speaker 9: it's just weird and dark and doesn't try to be
22:45
Speaker 9: for kids. Like, it's just got puppets in it. That's it.
22:47
Speaker 9: That's all you get. Like, there's puppets.
22:49
Speaker 13: I think on a technical scale and the fact that
22:52
Speaker 13: there's really no humans in Dark Crystal.
22:56
Speaker 3: I think it's amazing for that.
22:58
Speaker 13: But as far as the actual story, for me, it
23:00
Speaker 13: always just kind of fell flat and was kind of boring.
23:03
Speaker 9: See, again, I love the Skeksis in general. our main
23:08
Speaker 9: dude is so annoyingly awesome and kind of seems like
23:12
Speaker 9: most characters in the real world. Right. He's just creepy
23:15
Speaker 9: and annoying and I.
23:19
Speaker 12: Don't know.
23:19
Speaker 9: I love, I love what's going on in dark crystal.
23:22
Speaker 9: So yeah, I always had to kind of compare and like,
23:24
Speaker 9: I didn't watch labyrinth. I didn't, I didn't watch labyrinth
23:27
Speaker 9: near as much either. So I like, I'd seen dark
23:30
Speaker 9: crystal billion times and I watch it a few times.
23:32
Speaker 9: I'm like, yeah, David Bowie's cool. But like, yeah, there's
23:34
Speaker 9: so much of the other stuff. I'm like, that's a
23:36
Speaker 9: lot of singing going on. And, I don't know. So
23:40
Speaker 9: I've learned to kind of appreciate it more over the years.
23:43
Speaker 9: But yeah, I don't know. Again, it's so much more conventional.
23:47
Speaker 9: I think that's the thing that always seems weird about
23:49
Speaker 9: Dark Crystal. You also know he didn't want it to
23:51
Speaker 9: have English.
23:53
Speaker 7: Right.
23:53
Speaker 9: He wanted them to speak their own language. So it
23:56
Speaker 9: was going to be no humans in it and no
23:58
Speaker 9: English the entire time. Just gibberish language and puppets for
24:03
Speaker 9: two hours. I'm like, Jim Henson, you crazy bastard.
24:06
Speaker 13: Oh, well, and the version we got is two hours
24:10
Speaker 13: because it ended up being like the work print was
24:15
Speaker 13: something like five hours or something like that.
24:18
Speaker 9: So, yeah, sometimes you need somebody on the studio end
24:20
Speaker 9: to talk you down and be like, okay, okay, I
24:23
Speaker 9: appreciate your artistry, but let's be realistic. So I like
24:28
Speaker 9: the honed down version we got, but. Yeah, sometimes I
24:32
Speaker 9: think about the weird stuff Henson came up with. I'm
24:34
Speaker 9: just like, you are a genius and a madman. Yes.
24:40
Speaker 9: But yeah, it's been a while, so that's another one
24:43
Speaker 9: of those. I feel like I should revisit.
24:45
Speaker 13: I saw a picture, like a behind-the-scenes picture of the
24:48
Speaker 13: Dark Crystal, and they were in this set that was
24:51
Speaker 13: basically the size of a football field. And then you
24:54
Speaker 13: see Jim and one of the other, it wasn't Frank Oz,
24:58
Speaker 13: but it was one of the other guys, And they've
25:00
Speaker 13: got these huge massive puppets which have all these wires
25:03
Speaker 13: and cables running off off screen. And it's just, I
25:07
Speaker 13: can't imagine. I can't begin to imagine the technical aspects
25:11
Speaker 13: of that movie.
25:12
Speaker 9: I mean, just to run one of them.
25:13
Speaker 13: How heavy they were.
25:14
Speaker 9: And then the fact that you've got so many going
25:16
Speaker 9: at the same time talking to each other. And then
25:19
Speaker 9: you're still trying to run a movie normally. So all
25:21
Speaker 9: the horrors of trying to have a movie work anyway
25:25
Speaker 9: is piled on top of the 48 people running your
25:29
Speaker 9: puppets right now. The fact that any of those got
25:32
Speaker 9: made is still kind of amazing.
25:36
Speaker 12: We need to bring back puppets.
25:39
Speaker 3: I'm working on it.
25:41
Speaker 9: I'm still working on my series of puppet short films.
25:45
Speaker 9: I need funding for those too. That's what's put it
25:47
Speaker 9: on the back burner.
25:49
Speaker 13: I bought some foam a couple weeks ago. I didn't
25:52
Speaker 13: get much further than that yet.
25:55
Speaker 12: Oh, that just made me remember. When I lived in
25:58
Speaker 12: New York, I went on a first date with this
26:00
Speaker 12: guy who was like.
26:01
Speaker 9: A puppet?
26:02
Speaker 12: Yes.
26:04
Speaker 3: It took me all.
26:04
Speaker 9: Night to figure out, wait a minute. This foamy skin,
26:09
Speaker 9: these ping pong ball eyes. You're a puppet, aren't you?
26:14
Speaker 12: The person behind you moving your lens.
26:17
Speaker 9: He's just my interpreter. Don't mind him. I'm not from
26:20
Speaker 9: your land. He has to come along with me everywhere.
26:24
Speaker 12: But he was like a screenwriter and so I was
26:26
Speaker 12: like well what are you working on and he told
26:29
Speaker 12: me he's doing a puppet musical of king arthur and
26:33
Speaker 12: the knights of the round table to which i laughed
26:36
Speaker 12: because i thought that it would be like a funny
26:39
Speaker 12: puppet musical you would think he was completely serious so.
26:45
Speaker 9: That ended the date right.
26:46
Speaker 12: It really did we didn't go out again mostly.
26:51
Speaker 9: Because he couldn't believe that you didn't take him seriously
26:54
Speaker 9: as an artist.
26:55
Speaker 12: A serious puppet musical.
26:57
Speaker 13: I've There are a lot of serious puppeteers out there.
27:00
Speaker 13: It's kind of frightening.
27:02
Speaker 12: I was just, yeah.
27:03
Speaker 13: I mean, I love the whole spectrum of it, but again,
27:07
Speaker 13: I fall more towards the fun.
27:10
Speaker 9: Yeah.
27:11
Speaker 13: But yeah, there are people who take it very seriously.
27:13
Speaker 9: I mean, yeah, there should be a level of professionalism
27:16
Speaker 9: that you bring to it, but you don't need to
27:18
Speaker 9: take yourself that seriously as any level of artist, puppetry
27:22
Speaker 9: or not. As a person, don't take yourself that seriously.
27:26
Speaker 9: You can take the work seriously. That's appreciated. But some
27:29
Speaker 9: people take themselves very seriously. And it runs dates.
27:34
Speaker 12: I was just picturing, like, forgetting Sarah Marshall when he
27:37
Speaker 12: does the Dracula music.
27:39
Speaker 3: I was thinking that too.
27:40
Speaker 9: I was thinking that as you said it.
27:42
Speaker 13: The thing is, that was, that came from a real
27:45
Speaker 13: thing that he was working on that was, again, not
27:51
Speaker 13: supposed to be a comedy. And he feels like that
27:54
Speaker 13: was what got him the gig writing for the Muppets
27:58
Speaker 13: was because of that. And he's probably right.
28:03
Speaker 9: It now just makes me think when we did the
28:06
Speaker 9: Forgetting Sarah Marshall episode many years ago, I had a
28:09
Speaker 9: guest on and he was a comic, but he really
28:12
Speaker 9: liked that movie and he wanted to talk about it.
28:14
Speaker 9: And I had issues with it. So most of the
28:16
Speaker 9: way through, I was like, But again, at the end,
28:19
Speaker 9: I'm like, but that musical is freaking awesome. I don't
28:21
Speaker 9: even think it was during the show. That's kind of
28:23
Speaker 9: why I'm telling the story now. After we were done,
28:25
Speaker 9: he goes... I said something about, you know, the Dracula
28:31
Speaker 9: puppet and whatever. And he was like, oh, well, let
28:33
Speaker 9: me show you this. And he, like, rolled up his sleeve.
28:35
Speaker 9: His whole arm was done with that Dracula puppet from
28:38
Speaker 9: Forgetting Sarah Marshall. The Dracula Forgetting Sarah Marshall musical puppet was, like,
28:44
Speaker 9: he has a whole thing on his arm devoted to that.
28:46
Speaker 9: He loved it so much. And I was like, dude,
28:49
Speaker 9: we didn't even talk about that. What the hell? Like,
28:52
Speaker 9: why didn't you tell me beforehand? Like, you are that committed, dude. So, yes,
28:57
Speaker 9: he was very cool, but extra cool after that. Devoted
29:01
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29:04
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29:05
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29:11
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29:14
Speaker 9: it's not the greatest. You know, even as a comedy,
29:16
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29:21
Speaker 9: arm for all eternity. I'm like, good for you, man.
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Speaker 14: We are heading out to sea And however it'll be
35:12
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36:07
Speaker 9: So, one of my this past couple of weeks is,
36:12
Speaker 9: I guess, inspired by our recent episode we did together.
36:16
Speaker 9: I watched Hail Caesar, which I had not seen. It
36:20
Speaker 9: was another one of those sort of comedy Coen Brothers
36:24
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36:26
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36:29
Speaker 9: was like, that looks, you know, fun. And I like
36:31
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36:34
Speaker 9: movies is kind of awesome. So, It's pretty impressive. Once again,
36:39
Speaker 9: it's as committed as the Coen brothers always are to everything.
36:44
Speaker 9: It's that only mixed with their love of filmmaking and
36:48
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36:54
Speaker 9: it's just set in, I think, early 40s-esque kind of
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37:09
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37:12
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37:15
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37:21
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37:24
Speaker 9: he was in that. But again, I hadn't seen it.
37:26
Speaker 9: He's really fucking likable. Like if you haven't, if you
37:29
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37:33
Speaker 9: it's hard to not love this guy in this movie
37:36
Speaker 9: because he's so earnest and he is just like a
37:39
Speaker 9: full on cowboy. Like he grew up coming out of
37:42
Speaker 9: the rodeos and like, they were like, Oh, we want
37:45
Speaker 9: to make a movie. So they make all these Westerns
37:47
Speaker 9: with him and they like, he's just doing trick shots
37:50
Speaker 9: and like flipping off the horse. And like, he's just,
37:52
Speaker 9: he is committed to that, but that's what he does.
37:55
Speaker 9: And it's funny that he's like, he's going, he's like, Oh,
37:58
Speaker 9: if we're going to take a break, I'm gonna go
37:59
Speaker 9: get some beans. Like, Even during hitting the mess tent,
38:03
Speaker 9: you know, he's still having beans. So, like, he's that
38:05
Speaker 9: cowboy mode in his mind. So it's really funny that, like,
38:09
Speaker 9: one of the studio guys comes over. He's like, well, okay,
38:12
Speaker 9: we're done with this one. And Monday we want you
38:14
Speaker 9: to head over here to this. He's like, oh, what for? Well,
38:17
Speaker 9: the studio is changing your image. So you see there's
38:20
Speaker 9: this almost, like, this super, like, people with accents sitting
38:26
Speaker 9: on sofas and talking kind of fancy stuff. And they're
38:29
Speaker 9: trying to shove him in and he shows up in
38:31
Speaker 9: a tux and just feels weird and he walks in
38:34
Speaker 9: and he can't even deliver the lines. That scene is great. Yeah,
38:39
Speaker 9: he's amazing in this. It may have been my favorite
38:42
Speaker 9: through line of all of it was just watching him
38:44
Speaker 9: do his thing because damn he is likable in that movie.
38:48
Speaker 9: But if anything's carried it like Josh Brolin. Obviously we've
38:53
Speaker 9: all kind of come to terms with how amazing Josh
38:55
Speaker 9: Brolin is in the last 15 years but Man, this
38:59
Speaker 9: movie is just all him. It is following him around,
39:03
Speaker 9: going through all this craziness, but damn, he's good. He's
39:08
Speaker 9: just so solid, especially to be this kind of a
39:12
Speaker 9: hard-ass that he is. He gets to be that Josh
39:15
Speaker 9: Brolin that, again, he's played a lot in these last
39:17
Speaker 9: 15 years. So, yeah, watching him go through this old
39:22
Speaker 9: Hollywood version of everything is pretty damned entertaining. And all
39:26
Speaker 9: our weird little cameos. Again, like I didn't want to
39:30
Speaker 9: like Channing Tatum for so long but he's such a
39:33
Speaker 9: dork like and he really seems committed to all these
39:36
Speaker 9: things like completely doing a like sound of music singing
39:42
Speaker 9: in the rain level of like dancing like it is
39:44
Speaker 9: it is full on Fred Astaire like Danny Kaye like
39:48
Speaker 9: His musical scene is amazing, and we all know he's
39:51
Speaker 9: a dancer, but usually it's taking his clothes off. So
39:53
Speaker 9: the fact that this is really impressively well choreographed, and
39:59
Speaker 9: it's Janie Tatum being a dork. We get Scarlett Johansson
40:05
Speaker 9: doing the water... Bubsy.
40:08
Speaker 3: Berkeley kind of thing.
40:09
Speaker 9: Yeah, basically the huge water production number thing. Dressed as
40:13
Speaker 9: a mermaid, of course. Yeah, there's so many weird little
40:17
Speaker 9: aspects that come into it that, like, I have to
40:20
Speaker 9: love it, but it's weird that it's also its own
40:22
Speaker 9: movie outside of these little things they would cut away to.
40:25
Speaker 9: And you'd spend five minutes going, wait, we're just watching
40:27
Speaker 9: this whole scene of this now. So, again, you can
40:31
Speaker 9: tell how much the Coen brothers still love old Hollywood
40:33
Speaker 9: and yet are completely committed to making fun of it.
40:36
Speaker 9: Because all of these characters are based pretty, like... pretty
40:42
Speaker 9: directly on other people that you can be like, Oh,
40:44
Speaker 9: this is obviously the version of this person. So it's, yeah,
40:49
Speaker 9: it's a lot of fun for those reasons. Again, it's
40:52
Speaker 9: back to what I said on, on our Coen brothers discussion.
40:55
Speaker 9: I can really see why normal people wouldn't care about Coen.
41:00
Speaker 9: But like, they're so specific in particular that I'm like,
41:03
Speaker 9: if you get their level of like love for old Hollywood,
41:06
Speaker 9: you don't think this is great. Normal people would just
41:09
Speaker 9: be like, well, are we watching all this for like
41:12
Speaker 9: it is another one of those like you're watching and
41:14
Speaker 9: like sort of it's that same thing of like there's
41:17
Speaker 9: a plot going on but it's kind of not so
41:20
Speaker 9: consequential by the time you get to the end like
41:23
Speaker 9: the story with Josh and his journey it's really the
41:26
Speaker 9: only thing that matters like all this other bullshit going
41:28
Speaker 9: on is just like there's weird communist subplots and like
41:32
Speaker 9: all this other shit kind of going on at the
41:34
Speaker 9: same time but by the end you're like yeah none
41:36
Speaker 9: of that was supposed to matter like it's all just
41:38
Speaker 9: kind of watching this one character kind of his, his
41:41
Speaker 9: little arc of like how much he's committed to the
41:44
Speaker 9: studio system and how much his life is about all
41:47
Speaker 9: of this craziness. So, yep. I, I love it. But again, you, you,
41:51
Speaker 9: I think you have to be a Coen brothers person
41:54
Speaker 9: or just love at least old Hollywood to, to really
41:56
Speaker 9: appreciate it. Otherwise you'll just be confused.
42:02
Speaker 12: Well, mine is also Coen brothers related.
42:04
Speaker 11: All right.
42:05
Speaker 12: Um, I watched another day, another time. It's basically like
42:09
Speaker 12: a live concert that all of the music is either
42:14
Speaker 12: directly from or inspired by Inside Llewyn Davis. So it's
42:17
Speaker 12: all these like 1960s folk kind of songs. I mean,
42:21
Speaker 12: it's like Punch Brothers, Milk Carton Kids, Joan Baez, the
42:28
Speaker 12: Avett Brothers. Just like all these really good folksy people.
42:33
Speaker 12: Oscar Isaac comes out and sings and plays the guitar.
42:35
Speaker 9: I would hope so, sure.
42:36
Speaker 12: He's amazing. I didn't know.
42:39
Speaker 9: So is this like theatrically released or did they just
42:42
Speaker 9: put it out?
42:43
Speaker 12: I don't know. I don't think it was theatrically released.
42:48
Speaker 12: We just found it on Amazon.
42:51
Speaker 9: Interesting.
42:51
Speaker 12: But I guess it's like a companion piece to the
42:54
Speaker 12: movie somehow. But the music is all really great and
42:58
Speaker 12: everybody's so talented and it like cuts... back and forth from, like,
43:01
Speaker 12: live on the stage where they're doing an actual concert
43:04
Speaker 12: for a bunch of people to, like, in the studio
43:07
Speaker 12: with T-Bone Burnett and, like, they're rehearsing and everything. It's
43:10
Speaker 12: really cool and, like, very seamless the way that they
43:14
Speaker 12: kind of incorporate it all together. And the music is
43:16
Speaker 12: just gorgeous and awesome.
43:19
Speaker 9: I mean, they do put so much work into each
43:21
Speaker 9: of these little areas that they tackle. So, like, yeah,
43:25
Speaker 9: that was kind of that same thing with Llewyn Davis.
43:26
Speaker 9: It was like, they'd dove headfirst into that music scene
43:30
Speaker 9: of that era and that specific subgenre of music. And like,
43:35
Speaker 9: it's super, again, it's that same thing. It's true to
43:38
Speaker 9: the time, but they made up a character. So it's like,
43:41
Speaker 9: it's very similar to other people of the time. And,
43:44
Speaker 9: but yeah, it's, it's so authentic in the way they
43:47
Speaker 9: approach everything.
43:48
Speaker 12: Yeah. It's super cool. So if you liked that movie
43:52
Speaker 12: and the music in it, you should watch another day,
43:55
Speaker 12: another time on Amazon.
43:59
Speaker 9: Good to know it's out there.
44:04
Speaker 3: Um well honestly um.
44:08
Speaker 10: I've watched that one movie um and just a lot
44:12
Speaker 10: of schitt's creek so that's why that's the one movie
44:14
Speaker 10: outside of movies it's just been like shows i've.
44:19
Speaker 9: Heard a good amount about schitt's creek so what is
44:22
Speaker 9: your take on it um still i just i just
44:25
Speaker 9: don't have time to delve into new shows.
44:27
Speaker 10: We kind of love it like it's it's pretty amazing
44:30
Speaker 10: um especially if you're a fan of like the christopher
44:33
Speaker 10: guest like yeah catherine harold eugene levy movies because they're
44:37
Speaker 10: both kind of in that mode catherine harris definitely like
44:40
Speaker 10: the mvp of the show like she's the reason to.
44:43
Speaker 9: Watch everything she's in really um.
44:47
Speaker 3: I feel like the show has shifted.
44:49
Speaker 13: The first couple seasons were mostly focused on the parents,
44:53
Speaker 13: but now it's shifted towards the kids, which I think
44:55
Speaker 13: was a brilliant idea. And Eugene Levy and Catherine O'Hara
45:00
Speaker 13: have become more like supporting characters. But I think that
45:05
Speaker 13: was a smart move on their part.
45:08
Speaker 3: I do, too.
45:08
Speaker 10: And it's great because it kind of evolves. It doesn't
45:14
Speaker 10: stay in one kind of mode. Each season, they're branching
45:17
Speaker 10: out and trying to maybe be a little bit more
45:20
Speaker 10: serious or sincere with the storyline. But at the same time,
45:24
Speaker 10: we're a comedy, so we're still going to give you
45:26
Speaker 10: the laughs. For example, the first season, Eugene Levy's character
45:31
Speaker 10: is totally just almost... just like entirely just like played
45:36
Speaker 10: for joe like he's great he's like but he's just
45:38
Speaker 10: like kind of this dopey like the typical you know
45:41
Speaker 10: levy character that you're used to seeing in those movies
45:43
Speaker 10: but like after a while he kind of becomes like
45:46
Speaker 10: the straight man like kind of it's just it's really
45:49
Speaker 10: interesting to see eugene levy as like a normal like
45:52
Speaker 10: person like and like like being dramatic scenes which you
45:57
Speaker 10: get to see him in later seasons like all the
45:59
Speaker 10: cast kind of have their own, like, really interesting arcs
46:03
Speaker 10: going on.
46:04
Speaker 3: And, yeah, like, the kids, too. Like, Eugene Levy's son
46:07
Speaker 3: plays his son on the show. And his daughter.
46:09
Speaker 10: And his daughter, yeah, is in.
46:11
Speaker 5: It, too.
46:11
Speaker 14: Oh, really?
46:12
Speaker 13: And you can tell by the eyebrows.
46:14
Speaker 3: Yeah.
46:15
Speaker 9: These poor children.
46:16
Speaker 3: Yeah. And it's his show. Like, he's the showrunner.
46:19
Speaker 10: And he's, like, his character, his name's... So much.
46:23
Speaker 3: David. His name's David. And, like.
46:27
Speaker 10: Everyone says his sister is constantly saying his name in
46:31
Speaker 10: this weirdly effective... And his mom, they have this weird
46:34
Speaker 10: way of talking. Yeah, there's a lot of speech comedy
46:41
Speaker 10: in the show. It's so funny because there's a little
46:45
Speaker 10: bit of Canadian accent, but also Catherine Harris' character puts
46:49
Speaker 10: on this totally made up... weird like transatlantic thing that
46:54
Speaker 10: doesn't really make sense but is hilarious like.
46:57
Speaker 16: She's genius she really is she is a genius like
46:59
Speaker 16: honestly she is if this is like prime Catherine O'Hara
47:04
Speaker 16: like the best like stuff that like she has done
47:08
Speaker 16: since like Waiting for Guffman like.
47:10
Speaker 10: We we're constantly like We watched it on Netflix. We're
47:14
Speaker 10: constantly having to hit the 10 seconds rewind thing because
47:18
Speaker 10: we're laughing so hard.
47:20
Speaker 3: And we'll miss a lot.
47:21
Speaker 10: You'll miss the next joke that's just as funny. So
47:24
Speaker 10: that's always a good sign.
47:25
Speaker 3: Good Lord.
47:28
Speaker 12: How many seasons are there of it now?
47:29
Speaker 9: I think there's five.
47:30
Speaker 3: It just started its fifth one.
47:32
Speaker 14: Oh, dang.
47:32
Speaker 10: And we're still wrapping up the third one. So we
47:35
Speaker 10: haven't even gotten up to the current.
47:38
Speaker 13: There's some good stuff in the fourth season.
47:41
Speaker 10: Yeah, they say it just gets better and better.
47:43
Speaker 3: It does.
47:44
Speaker 13: It took a good turn, but it takes a turn
47:48
Speaker 13: as far as the sort of humor they deal with.
47:52
Speaker 3: I mean, it's subtle, but.
47:54
Speaker 13: If you've been following along, you'll look back on it
47:57
Speaker 13: and go, wait a minute. This is not the goofy,
48:01
Speaker 13: silly show that it once was.
48:04
Speaker 3: It's got some.
48:05
Speaker 13: It's got some gravitas, for lack of a better word,
48:08
Speaker 13: to it.
48:10
Speaker 3: Yeah.
48:11
Speaker 10: It's not like The Office where they're not planning out
48:16
Speaker 10: things ahead. The creator, Dan Levy, has said that this
48:21
Speaker 10: is a finite thing I'm doing. The next season is
48:23
Speaker 10: probably going to be the last. We have it all
48:25
Speaker 10: planned out. Where a lot of sitcoms is just... Which
48:29
Speaker 10: is fine with The Office, but it's mostly just jokes and.
48:33
Speaker 10: Everything and no character really goes any place, you know,
48:37
Speaker 10: or has an arc, which isn't, you don't necessarily need
48:40
Speaker 10: that with like a comedy show, but.
48:41
Speaker 3: Here they like, it's just such a, well, it's such
48:45
Speaker 3: a good.
48:46
Speaker 10: Like blending of just like, uh, characters revolving and, you know,
48:51
Speaker 10: still having ridiculous, you know, laugh out loud moments to, uh.
48:56
Speaker 6: And chris elliott stops by oh yeah chris elliott's great
48:59
Speaker 6: i forgot you're wrong but that's the thing that's why
49:01
Speaker 6: i started watching because when i saw his name in
49:03
Speaker 6: the credits i was like well i gotta check this
49:05
Speaker 6: out yeah and then he's he's only in it a
49:08
Speaker 6: little bit and you kind of forget that he's a
49:11
Speaker 6: character on the show but then when he shows up
49:13
Speaker 6: it's like oh yeah.
49:14
Speaker 13: He's great at this.
49:14
Speaker 10: It's like a master of just being passive-aggressive to Eugene
49:18
Speaker 10: Levy's character, which is their scenes together are always the best.
49:24
Speaker 9: It is weird when something gets a chance to grow
49:28
Speaker 9: into something else. Usually, especially with shows, you get a
49:32
Speaker 9: very specific tone and they either have a grand design
49:37
Speaker 9: and want to do more or they just sort of stay,
49:39
Speaker 9: especially with old school sitcoms, like you got exactly what
49:42
Speaker 9: you started with. It does not take it beyond for
49:45
Speaker 9: nine or 10 years. Doesn't change the banter, the pattern,
49:49
Speaker 9: everything is still just kind of hitting the same notes
49:51
Speaker 9: as it did the first one, which at least, you know,
49:53
Speaker 9: consistency is good for some things. But at the same time,
49:57
Speaker 9: if you get some of these shows now that are
50:00
Speaker 9: on a different network or a different way that they
50:02
Speaker 9: don't have so many other people involved, you get to
50:06
Speaker 9: see a little more artistry and like you get to
50:08
Speaker 9: see them kind of grow and become something different, and
50:11
Speaker 9: that's pretty amazing, especially with a comedy that has the
50:16
Speaker 9: chance to do something like that. That's cool.
50:20
Speaker 3: Yeah, great show.
50:20
Speaker 10: Please watch.
50:25
Speaker 13: So, I just started this last night, but I started
50:28
Speaker 13: the new Natasha Lyonne show, Russian Dolls, on Netflix.
50:33
Speaker 9: I think I saw it listed and don't know much
50:36
Speaker 9: else about it.
50:36
Speaker 13: I can't really... I don't know what my take is
50:41
Speaker 13: on it yet. It's an odd show, which is okay.
50:45
Speaker 13: But it's basically running off the same premise sort of
50:48
Speaker 13: as Groundhog Day. Except in this one, she dies. Her
50:54
Speaker 13: character dies. She leaves a party, gets killed. And then
50:59
Speaker 13: as soon as she gets killed, she's back at the
51:00
Speaker 13: party again. And trying to figure out, okay, am I
51:03
Speaker 13: just really high?
51:05
Speaker 9: That's been the premise of a couple of movies now
51:08
Speaker 9: in this last year.
51:09
Speaker 13: She plays such an unlikable person. I think that's the point,
51:14
Speaker 13: that you're not supposed to like this, but then you
51:16
Speaker 13: start to kind of like her a little. And at
51:21
Speaker 13: the same time, after the second or third episode, I
51:24
Speaker 13: was like, I'm tired of all this. resetting and going
51:27
Speaker 13: back through it but i kind of want to see
51:30
Speaker 13: where it's gonna.
51:30
Speaker 9: Go it's asking a lot on a series you know
51:35
Speaker 9: it's like within the context of a movie because like
51:37
Speaker 9: i said that it almost exactly sounds like happy death
51:41
Speaker 9: day which is fun like for me extremely fun because
51:46
Speaker 9: i like that premise and i like the horror angle
51:49
Speaker 9: that they throw in there But it's that same thing
51:52
Speaker 9: of it starts as, yeah, like a terrible character. And
51:56
Speaker 9: because of the resetting, you watch them kind of change
51:59
Speaker 9: and become somebody different, which again is the Groundhog Day idea.
52:03
Speaker 9: But it's trying to stretch it out over a series
52:08
Speaker 9: seems like a lot to deal with from both ends,
52:12
Speaker 9: like from their angle, but even maybe more so for
52:15
Speaker 9: the audience to have to commit to coming back to
52:18
Speaker 9: that same scenario again. And investing that much time into
52:22
Speaker 9: slowly watching this person maybe change.
52:25
Speaker 13: Well, and a lot of the things, too, with this,
52:27
Speaker 13: when she goes back and relives something, a lot of
52:30
Speaker 13: the details in the background will change. Just like set decorations, costumes,
52:34
Speaker 13: even people's makeup. And it took me a while to
52:38
Speaker 13: kind of notice that pattern. So I get the feeling
52:42
Speaker 13: that by the time they reach whatever conclusion they're trying
52:46
Speaker 13: to reach, there's going to be all these... like hidden
52:50
Speaker 13: things that you were supposed to have caught and maybe didn't.
52:54
Speaker 13: I don't know.
52:54
Speaker 9: I'm going to keep, I'm going to keep watching it.
52:56
Speaker 13: For a little while and see where it goes, but,
53:01
Speaker 13: but it's nice to see her in anything.
53:03
Speaker 9: So that's the thing. I do really like her in general.
53:06
Speaker 9: So it, it was one of those, like when she
53:09
Speaker 9: first hit and she was still really young, it did
53:11
Speaker 9: seem like, okay, this is going to be like one
53:13
Speaker 9: of the next big actresses. And like, She's turned up
53:16
Speaker 9: in stuff over the years, but she never kind of
53:18
Speaker 9: hit that level. I don't know what exactly it was,
53:22
Speaker 9: but yeah, she never broke through in a way that
53:25
Speaker 9: maybe they were planning. Probably not as much as she
53:29
Speaker 9: would have liked.
53:29
Speaker 13: And she keeps showing up in really big projects.
53:32
Speaker 10: Yeah.
53:33
Speaker 13: I figured when she was in Oranges in the New Black,
53:36
Speaker 13: that the next thing we were going to see from
53:38
Speaker 13: her was going to be something huge.
53:42
Speaker 9: She'd get her own show. Even then, it's got to
53:46
Speaker 9: be weird. She is a peculiar character. I think she
53:50
Speaker 9: would have to grow on you in any capacity. She's
53:54
Speaker 9: a strange performer. I can see it being hard to
53:59
Speaker 9: fit her into a running theme, a bigger show kind
54:03
Speaker 9: of a concept. That's a challenge.
54:10
Speaker 14: Alright.
54:10
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Speaker 15: Bye, everybody.
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Speaker 7: It's getting kind of hard to believe things are going
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Speaker 7: to get better. I've been drowning too long to believe
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Speaker 7: that the tide's going to turn And I've been living
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Speaker 3: And with you.
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Speaker 7: These dreams I've gotten might somehow come.
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Speaker 15: True And knowing your grace this well just makes me
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Speaker 8: I was dreaming Oh, and when I hold your hand
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Speaker 8: I watch time disappear.
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Speaker 15: Into the air.
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Speaker 12: Total genius, and intentionally botched a ton of surgeries.
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Speaker 13: Oh, jeez.
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Speaker 12: It's so fucked up.
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Speaker 11: Oh, my God.
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Speaker 14: Why?
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Speaker 10: It's so crazy.
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Speaker 3: He gets his own podcast.
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Speaker 12: He's like, yeah, I think he ended up getting sent
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Speaker 12: to prison. Yeah, what?
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Speaker 3: Before doing.
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Speaker 9: I bet he'd have pretty cheap rates. I might be
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Speaker 9: able to go with him. Yeah.
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Speaker 12: I think he got into like pain pills and stuff
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Speaker 12: and just like had vodka under his desk and was
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Speaker 12: like constantly.
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Speaker 9: But again, was he purposefully doing it as though he
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Speaker 9: was just murdering people or he was just a slack
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Speaker 9: ass and was drunken on drugs and just accidentally kind of, oops,
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Speaker 9: killed a bunch of people. Like which mode was he in?
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Speaker 12: They talk about when he was in med school, he
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Speaker 12: was at the top of his class and this total genius,
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Speaker 12: and he invented some new sort of technology.
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Speaker 9: I invented the scalpel.
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Speaker 12: Patented and all this stuff. But yeah, one of his
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Speaker 12: first surgeries was on his best friend, which is a
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Speaker 12: horrible idea.
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Speaker 10: This is like dead ringers or something.
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Speaker 9: So bad. Have an evil twin.
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Speaker 12: He ended up paralyzing him from the neck down.
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Speaker 9: Fun.
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Speaker 12: Fun for everyone.
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Speaker 3: A nightmare world.
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Speaker 12: Yeah.
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