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- 0:08Speaker 1: Good afternoon. It's Wednesday, eleventh of March twenty twenty sixth,
- 0:11Speaker 1: just after one o'clock. Welcome to the UK column News.
- 0:13Speaker 1: I'm your host Mike Rubinson. Joining me by videoing today
- 0:16Speaker 1: are Charles Mallett and Vanessa Billy. Later in the program,
- 0:19Speaker 1: we're going to be reporting on the release of the
- 0:21Speaker 1: Mandelson files or not because they haven't been released on time. Today,
- 0:25Speaker 1: the UK Government public consultation on Digital ID and the
- 0:29Speaker 1: UK Government's Sovereign AI Fund and the pushback on AI
- 0:33Speaker 1: by book publishers, and also the continuing impact of the
- 0:36Speaker 1: war in Iran on the people of Lebanon as well
- 0:39Speaker 1: as the people here in the UK. But we're going
- 0:42Speaker 1: to begin today with Charles. Let me welcome to the program.
- 0:45Speaker 1: The continuing defensive posture by the British in the Middle East.
- 0:52Speaker 2: That's right, Mike, Good afternoon, Good afternoon, all. Yes, defensive posture,
- 0:55Speaker 2: or at least whatever that is supposed to mean. Of course,
- 0:57Speaker 2: it's wrapped up in the idea of something called collective
- 1:00Speaker 2: self defense and other such terms which are rather hard
- 1:04Speaker 2: to pin down. But to get an idea of what
- 1:06Speaker 2: this does look like, we will go to the BBC,
- 1:08Speaker 2: who reported just yesterday about the activities at RAF Fairford,
- 1:13Speaker 2: where we see that their headline now US military prepare
- 1:16Speaker 2: explosive ordinance at UK air base. So as the caption suggests,
- 1:21Speaker 2: this is what a defensive posture looks like, and of
- 1:25Speaker 2: course Starmer maintaining that we are not involved in any
- 1:27Speaker 2: way in offensive actions. Now we're referring here to RIF Fairford.
- 1:33Speaker 2: We've got some footage running on screen now of the
- 1:36Speaker 2: B one and B fifty two bombers which have been
- 1:39Speaker 2: coming in and out. This footage was shot at RAF
- 1:41Speaker 2: Fairford just yesterday. So there is absolutely no doubt that
- 1:45Speaker 2: the United Kingdom is being used specifically to conduct defensive
- 1:49Speaker 2: operations in Iran, which of course we've talked about before
- 1:51Speaker 2: and is very obvious to anyone paying attention. So Starmer's
- 1:54Speaker 2: protestations do not add up too very much. Now that's
- 1:59Speaker 2: the summary is sort of the air picture. Now as
- 2:02Speaker 2: to what's going on at see the Raal Navy announced
- 2:06Speaker 2: yesterday that HMS Dragon, the Type forty five destroyer, has
- 2:11Speaker 2: been deployed from Portsmouth to the eastern Mediterranean. So as
- 2:16Speaker 2: the moving image shows, at least she is able to sail,
- 2:19Speaker 2: not quite under her own steam, because she has of
- 2:21Speaker 2: course being pulled by a tug there, but we hope
- 2:23Speaker 2: that she has got away without further incident. Now what's
- 2:26Speaker 2: been interesting is the optics really on this. We've got
- 2:29Speaker 2: a piece from the news, a local publication down in Portsmouth.
- 2:33Speaker 2: And this is not a criticism, of course, of any
- 2:35Speaker 2: of the people who are actually involved, because it's a
- 2:37Speaker 2: perfect natural reaction. But the image on screens shows families
- 2:40Speaker 2: waving Union flags, waving HMS Dragon or indeed drag On
- 2:45Speaker 2: as she should really be known, because that's no doubt
- 2:47Speaker 2: what the war will do. But the families there are
- 2:49Speaker 2: shown waving and I would say this image is very
- 2:52Speaker 2: much evocative of the Falklands. And of course it's very
- 2:55Speaker 2: important to point out the distinction between the conflict in
- 2:58Speaker 2: Iran now and what was at stake back in nineteen
- 3:01Speaker 2: eighty two, two totally different things. Despite the fact that
- 3:06Speaker 2: this is quite clearly something that is being invoked now.
- 3:10Speaker 2: John Healy tweeted about what was needing to be done
- 3:13Speaker 2: in order to make this possible, because of course there
- 3:15Speaker 2: was quite a bit of back and forth about whether
- 3:17Speaker 2: Dragon was going to be ready in time or not,
- 3:19Speaker 2: and he says I have only praise for our Royal
- 3:21Speaker 2: Navy personnel and civilian teams who worked flat out to
- 3:25Speaker 2: prepare HMS Dragon for deployment. What is normally six weeks
- 3:28Speaker 2: of work was completed in just six days, a remarkable
- 3:31Speaker 2: effort around the clock. Well, funny enough, we've got a
- 3:34Speaker 2: video that captures exactly how that does look. And if
- 3:38Speaker 2: this is the Royal Navy working flat out, then one
- 3:41Speaker 2: does rather imagine what they would ordinarily get done in
- 3:45Speaker 2: six weeks here because the question I've put there is
- 3:50Speaker 2: well or other The statement is there does seem to
- 3:52Speaker 2: be a certain sense of urgency missing. So not to
- 3:56Speaker 2: say that hard work hasn't gone into this, but it's
- 4:00Speaker 2: for a navy that should really have a high readiness capability,
- 4:03Speaker 2: it's not exactly doing terribly well on the point scoring
- 4:06Speaker 2: side of it. I should also point out that from
- 4:09Speaker 2: the row Fleet Auxiliary LINUM has been put on standby
- 4:13Speaker 2: from Gibraltar also to move to the area, but specifically
- 4:17Speaker 2: with a remit to deliver humanitarian assistance. And what's not
- 4:21Speaker 2: been qualified is exactly where that would be relevant or
- 4:27Speaker 2: indeed who would be concerned or quite why. So there
- 4:30Speaker 2: are a lot of unanswered questions going on in amongst
- 4:35Speaker 2: all of this, and none more so than in the
- 4:38Speaker 2: case of HMS Prince of Wales, the aircraft carrier, which
- 4:42Speaker 2: of course has been in the news for some considerable
- 4:44Speaker 2: period of time, not least because it was in the
- 4:46Speaker 2: Inno Pacific sort of trade tour last year, which was
- 4:49Speaker 2: actually classified as being an operation. But here we have
- 4:53Speaker 2: BFBS announcing that as part of Operation Epic Fury. They're saying,
- 4:59Speaker 2: this is why the UK can't just send the Prince
- 5:02Speaker 2: of Wales to the Gulf.
- 5:03Speaker 3: Now.
- 5:03Speaker 2: It is curious that they wouldn't be able to deploy
- 5:05Speaker 2: straight away because Prince of Wales had been warned off
- 5:08Speaker 2: to go to the High North to the Arctic, and okay,
- 5:10Speaker 2: you could say, well this is going to be a
- 5:11Speaker 2: different climate and therefore there would be adjustments to be made,
- 5:15Speaker 2: but nonetheless there should have been a situation in which
- 5:18Speaker 2: readiness was certainly attainable. The Financial Times reinforces the confusion
- 5:23Speaker 2: here by saying stating outright that they've spoken to officials
- 5:27Speaker 2: saying that the aircraft carrier is not going to the
- 5:31Speaker 2: Middle East at all, so that seems quite final and
- 5:35Speaker 2: exactly where they've come by that information is not quite clear.
- 5:38Speaker 3: Now.
- 5:38Speaker 2: What I'm going to do now is just dip into
- 5:39Speaker 2: some of the UK column analysis on this, because Brian
- 5:42Speaker 2: Garrish and I had a conversation which is wrapped up
- 5:45Speaker 2: in the episode four of Military Matters, and this was
- 5:47Speaker 2: recorded on Tuesday, the third of March, and this is
- 5:51Speaker 2: Brian speculating on the nature of aircraft carrier warfare in
- 5:56Speaker 2: twenty twenty six.
- 5:59Speaker 4: And America has been able over a great many years
- 6:02Speaker 4: to deploy huge numbers of aircraft into a theater of operations.
- 6:08Speaker 4: In many cases that one, certainly two carriers will be
- 6:12Speaker 4: delivering more aircraft than many air forces owned as a
- 6:18Speaker 4: total thing. So they could bring those aircraft into theater,
- 6:22Speaker 4: and they had the ability to dominate the air environment
- 6:27Speaker 4: with surveillance and putting up the fighters and carrying out
- 6:32Speaker 4: the attacks. This time it's different for all of the
- 6:37Speaker 4: Bravado that it's a huge hundred thousand the latest aircraft
- 6:43Speaker 4: carrier out there, Abram Lincoln. The reality is that it's
- 6:47Speaker 4: facing weapons systems which can destroy it. Now, whether the
- 6:52Speaker 4: Iranians have got those systems, and in particular I'm saying
- 6:57Speaker 4: hypersonic missiles or very fast missiles which are capable of
- 7:03Speaker 4: engaging a target at sea. Have the Iranians got those?
- 7:07Speaker 4: We don't know. We may be about to find out.
- 7:10Speaker 4: But if they have one hit ends the American dream.
- 7:16Speaker 4: There's no ifsaw butts about it, because it says the
- 7:19Speaker 4: era of the carrier is over. And I'm watching what's
- 7:23Speaker 4: happening here and I'm thinking, are we about to see
- 7:26Speaker 4: a conflict where the whole nature of sea power has changed?
- 7:31Speaker 4: Because the carrier's demonstrated that, like the battleship, they've passed
- 7:36Speaker 4: their prime.
- 7:41Speaker 2: For anybody who has watched UK column for more than
- 7:44Speaker 2: five minutes, it will not surprise you to know that
- 7:46Speaker 2: Brian was absolutely on the button with his commentary. And
- 7:50Speaker 2: so we look now to Defense Security Asia who have
- 7:54Speaker 2: reported on exactly what Brian was projecting would happen, which
- 7:58Speaker 2: is that the Abraham lincol And, in the words of
- 8:01Speaker 2: Defense Security Agent, was forced to flee and this was
- 8:04Speaker 2: after four cruise missiles were fired at it. Now, essentially
- 8:06Speaker 2: this is breaking new ground. Okay, incorrect analogy because obviously
- 8:10Speaker 2: were at sea, but this is this is changing the
- 8:12Speaker 2: dimension of what's called A two A D, which is
- 8:16Speaker 2: area denial sorry, anti access area denial, and this fundamentally
- 8:23Speaker 2: changes the predicament that the aircraft carrier is in in
- 8:26Speaker 2: terms of both logistics and combat effectiveness, because of course
- 8:30Speaker 2: it's not able to deploy aircraft with the same element
- 8:32Speaker 2: of speed having to move much further away from the
- 8:35Speaker 2: coast than it was, and also it means that every
- 8:38Speaker 2: element of its logistic chain becomes far more complicated. So
- 8:42Speaker 2: that was I think credit to the UK column analysis
- 8:45Speaker 2: on that, and then the second commentary was on what
- 8:48Speaker 2: may or may not happen should the British aircraft carryer
- 8:50Speaker 2: Prince of Wales deploy.
- 8:54Speaker 4: If the you know, one of our carriers does go
- 8:56Speaker 4: out there, nobody should be under any illusion they will
- 9:02Speaker 4: be regarded as a second rate player by the Americans.
- 9:07Speaker 4: They will be given a role, But the thing which
- 9:12Speaker 4: I think is increasingly obvious is that there is now
- 9:15Speaker 4: disrespect from the Americans for not only UK's political performance
- 9:21Speaker 4: but also military performance, and I think the carrier would
- 9:26Speaker 4: be given a specific role over there. Yes, obviously there's
- 9:31Speaker 4: got to be some former command and control, integration and
- 9:35Speaker 4: building the air picture, but essentially the Brits won't be
- 9:38Speaker 4: seen as the savior in that theater. I think the
- 9:42Speaker 4: Americans could regard them as another nuisance they'd not deal with.
- 9:49Speaker 2: No, he might not be pleased to hear me suggest this,
- 9:51Speaker 2: but it's almost as though Brian had the ear of
- 9:53Speaker 2: President Donald J. Trump, because of course he took to
- 9:56Speaker 2: truth Social to say exactly what it was that Brian
- 9:59Speaker 2: had been considering. And he says that maybe the greatest
- 10:05Speaker 2: allies finally giving serious thoughts sending aircraft carris to the
- 10:07Speaker 2: Middle East. But that's okay, we don't need them any longer.
- 10:10Speaker 2: We don't need people that join wars after we've already won.
- 10:14Speaker 2: So in effect, the United Kingdom will be absolutely marginalized.
- 10:18Speaker 2: And this does go back to the beginning of this,
- 10:20Speaker 2: which is the idea that kirst Armor is trying to
- 10:24Speaker 2: take a position of this so called defensive posture whilst
- 10:28Speaker 2: at the same time taking actions that almost seem intentionally
- 10:32Speaker 2: designed to alienate every single support base that he has.
- 10:36Speaker 2: Because of course, those that consider that more offensive action
- 10:41Speaker 2: should take place will not certainly be satisfied by this position,
- 10:45Speaker 2: and equally, those that believe that pursuit to peace at
- 10:48Speaker 2: all costs should be pursued again will not be satisfied. Clearly,
- 10:51Speaker 2: the Americans aren't satisfied as allies, and the list goes on.
- 10:55Speaker 2: Now I'd like to sort of hand over to Mike
- 10:57Speaker 2: for a bit of commentary on what I've just been
- 11:00Speaker 2: going through, but just to finish off as a as
- 11:04Speaker 2: something just to go into the episode four of Military Matters,
- 11:07Speaker 2: which is now up on the UK column website. I
- 11:10Speaker 2: really would recommend that you do have a listen to that.
- 11:14Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thank you, Charles. Let's well, we
- 11:17Speaker 1: will talk about this during UK col News Extra, which
- 11:20Speaker 1: of course if your UK colun member immediately follows this program,
- 11:25Speaker 1: so stay on the stream for that. But let's stay
- 11:28Speaker 1: on the issue of Iran in the meantime, and Vanessa,
- 11:31Speaker 1: welcome you to the program. What is the situation? Has
- 11:35Speaker 1: there been major escalation? It's very difficult to get honest
- 11:39Speaker 1: commentary on this because it seems that we're not hearing
- 11:42Speaker 1: the full pigure, not getting the full picture from the
- 11:45Speaker 1: corporate media.
- 11:47Speaker 5: Well, absolutely not. I mean Israel effectively has a blanket
- 11:51Speaker 5: d notice on all media coverage of what's happening inside Israel.
- 11:57Speaker 5: And in response to Brian's question, and yes, Heiron does
- 12:01Speaker 5: have hypersonic missiles and they have already been used in this.
- 12:07Speaker 3: War.
- 12:08Speaker 5: So I want to cover basically when you're talking about
- 12:13Speaker 5: not getting truthful reports, Mike, I want to cover President
- 12:17Speaker 5: Trump's address in the last twenty four hours. So let's
- 12:20Speaker 5: just roll the first section.
- 12:23Speaker 3: Jan it's we have the greatest military in the world.
- 12:28Speaker 3: We have the greatest equipment in the world by far.
- 12:30Speaker 3: You see that no matter where we go, you still
- 12:33Speaker 3: need the people, though to operate it and to use it.
- 12:37Speaker 3: And those are the people that we cherish. Even after
- 12:40Speaker 3: we obliterated their key nuclear sites in Operation Midnight Hammer,
- 12:45Speaker 3: they never negotiated into good faith. They still continued to
- 12:48Speaker 3: say we want to build nuclear we want enrichment at
- 12:52Speaker 3: levels that were unacceptable, and they even turned down an
- 12:55Speaker 3: offer for unlimited free nuclear fuel forever for civilian purposes.
- 13:01Speaker 3: We had people offering them free nuclear fuel. They weren't
- 13:06Speaker 3: interested in that because they wanted to build a nuclear weapon.
- 13:10Speaker 3: So instead the regime was trying to reconstitute its weapons
- 13:14Speaker 3: program at a different site. They couldn't go back to
- 13:17Speaker 3: where they were the three sites that we obliterated, but
- 13:21Speaker 3: they were starting work at another site, a different site,
- 13:24Speaker 3: different kind of a site, and that was protected by granite.
- 13:29Speaker 3: They wanted it protected. Granite's pretty good, but they wanted
- 13:32Speaker 3: it protected by a lot deeper. They wanted to go
- 13:37Speaker 3: a lot deeper, and they started the process.
- 13:42Speaker 5: It was protected by granite, which the majority of the
- 13:45Speaker 5: missile cities are, of course, because they're built under the
- 13:48Speaker 5: mountain ranges in Iran. But even the Pentagon has challenged
- 13:53Speaker 5: the absolute destruction of the nuclear energy Richmond sites in Iran.
- 14:00Speaker 5: Trump is banging on about this, and then let's just
- 14:05Speaker 5: play another section where basically Trump claims that they've destroyed everything,
- 14:09Speaker 5: which includes around fifty or fifty one, as he said,
- 14:14Speaker 5: naval vessels. Now, Iran only has ninety five vessels and
- 14:18Speaker 5: as far as I could work out, only ten have
- 14:20Speaker 5: been incapacitated so far. But anyway, let's play the next
- 14:24Speaker 5: bit from Trump.
- 14:26Speaker 3: The drone launchers are pretty well shot. But we're at
- 14:31Speaker 3: over ninety percent decline in the Iranian missile launchers, which
- 14:35Speaker 3: is very hard to reproduce and very hard to get.
- 14:40Speaker 3: And usually what we were able to do through great equipment,
- 14:45Speaker 3: a lot of smart people, as soon as they sent
- 14:49Speaker 3: a missile up from a launcher, we were able to
- 14:51Speaker 3: knock out that launcher within a period of five minutes.
- 14:54Speaker 3: Or less accurately right on the noggin. So now we
- 14:59Speaker 3: have local interceptors effectively combating Iranian drones and ore B
- 15:04Speaker 3: two bombers recently dropped dozens of two thousand pound bombs
- 15:09Speaker 3: to destroy missile launchers all over Iran and very deep
- 15:14Speaker 3: under Iranian soil. In many cases the soil was no match.
- 15:19Speaker 5: And it's very difficult not to smile during Trump's speeches.
- 15:27Speaker 5: But anyway, of course, what they have hit is the
- 15:31Speaker 5: Iranian spokespeople are saying ten thousand civilian sites have been
- 15:36Speaker 5: hit by Israel and US so far. But I actually
- 15:41Speaker 5: went to look at Israeli media headlines this morning and
- 15:46Speaker 5: this is what I saw. So this is from why
- 15:49Speaker 5: Not News, unrelenting nighttime shooting, which means of course missile
- 15:54Speaker 5: attacks from Iran. So they clearly haven't destroyed everything, and
- 15:58Speaker 5: they haven't destroyed the missile launch And then if we
- 16:02Speaker 5: look again, another headline also from wynat the threat from
- 16:07Speaker 5: the ground. During the war, Iran shot down Air Force
- 16:09Speaker 5: drones planes maneuver to avoid being hit, so clearly the
- 16:13Speaker 5: drone launchers are still very active. So again let's come
- 16:18Speaker 5: back to Trump and his next claim, which is that
- 16:21Speaker 5: the Strait of Hormus is totally safe and under control
- 16:25Speaker 5: of American vessels. So let's listen to this.
- 16:29Speaker 3: Oil supplies will be dramatically more secure without the threat
- 16:33Speaker 3: of Iranian ships, drones, missiles, nuclear menace or anything. So
- 16:39Speaker 3: the Strait of Hormuz, who is going to remain safe?
- 16:44Speaker 3: We have a lot of Navy ships there. We have
- 16:47Speaker 3: the best equipment in the world inspecting for mines. Again,
- 16:52Speaker 3: most of their ships are down at the bottom of
- 16:54Speaker 3: the sea, but we will hit them so hard that
- 16:59Speaker 3: it will not be possible for them or anybody else
- 17:02Speaker 3: helping them to ever recover that section of the world
- 17:05Speaker 3: they do anything.
- 17:09Speaker 5: Okay, so are you paying attention? So again, why not headline?
- 17:14Speaker 3: Sorry?
- 17:15Speaker 5: Now, this is the Iranian parliamentary speaker which is on
- 17:20Speaker 5: x an oil tank across the Strait of Hormos, escorted
- 17:24Speaker 5: by US Navy ships. Maybe on PlayStation, but he's not
- 17:29Speaker 5: the only one speaking about this. Again another headline in uh? No,
- 17:36Speaker 5: the next one?
- 17:37Speaker 3: Oh?
- 17:37Speaker 5: Sorry, yes, this one? Why not? Iran has planted mines
- 17:42Speaker 5: in the Strait of hormusse Trump. If not removed immediately,
- 17:45Speaker 5: there will be serious consequences. And then if we look
- 17:49Speaker 5: at I think it's a Reuter's headline again today, US
- 17:54Speaker 5: Navy tail shipping industry hor movees escorts are not possible
- 17:57Speaker 5: for now, and in fact, the Navy has been reported
- 18:00Speaker 5: multiple requests for escort and they've been forced to turn
- 18:04Speaker 5: them all down. So again, not very correct. And then
- 18:07Speaker 5: I wanted to play This is a section of the
- 18:10Speaker 5: statement from Senator Chris Murphy, and I have to say
- 18:13Speaker 5: he also went on X shortly before I came on,
- 18:16Speaker 5: saying that during the private briefing he was told that
- 18:21Speaker 5: they're not going to destroy the nucleo sites, not that
- 18:23Speaker 5: they exist. There will be no regime change, and their
- 18:26Speaker 5: intention is just to continue destroying Iran's missile capability. At
- 18:32Speaker 5: the same time, also, support for war in the US
- 18:35Speaker 5: is less than thirty percent. But let's hear what Chris
- 18:38Speaker 5: Mercy has to say.
- 18:41Speaker 6: I just came from a two hour closed door classified
- 18:45Speaker 6: briefing on the war just confirmed to me it's totally incoherent.
- 18:51Speaker 6: We are not going to be able to achieve any
- 18:52Speaker 6: of our stated objectives. But I mentioned it because it's
- 18:56Speaker 6: another closed door briefing. We have bill not yet heard
- 19:02Speaker 6: a full explanation as to why this is necessary. We
- 19:05Speaker 6: still have had no hearings in front of Congress that
- 19:08Speaker 6: the public can see. And I think that's pretty simple
- 19:11Speaker 6: because if the President did what the Constitution says, come
- 19:15Speaker 6: to Congress to get authorization for this war, he wouldn't
- 19:19Speaker 6: get it. He's the American people would demand that their
- 19:22Speaker 6: member of Congress, their senator, whether they be a Republican
- 19:24Speaker 6: or Democrat, vote no. Because this is a disaster of
- 19:29Speaker 6: epic proportions. It's already getting Americans killed, it's driving up
- 19:32Speaker 6: prices here at home. Harder line leadership, more antithetical to
- 19:38Speaker 6: us interests are strengthening inside Iran, and there's really no
- 19:43Speaker 6: way that we're going to be able to destroy their
- 19:44Speaker 6: nuclear program because most of it is buried underground unless
- 19:48Speaker 6: we mount a ground invasion, which would be even more
- 19:50Speaker 6: disastrous and more unpopular.
- 19:55Speaker 5: Some very good points made there. And finally, I just
- 19:59Speaker 5: want to show this little clip from actually a friend
- 20:02Speaker 5: of mine in Iran, in the city of com which
- 20:05Speaker 5: has been very badly hit, going to the fuel station
- 20:08Speaker 5: to show that everything is operating normally. Let's play this.
- 20:13Speaker 7: This is the petrol pun almost no queah, Okay, thirty
- 20:26Speaker 7: litters forty is is like forty cents less than that.
- 20:36Speaker 7: I don't have the exact coalition, it's less than of
- 20:38Speaker 7: a dollar.
- 20:39Speaker 3: That's I love you.
- 20:48Speaker 5: Anyway. Interesting, we should talk more about petrol prices. Perhaps
- 20:52Speaker 5: in extra.
- 20:54Speaker 1: We will, because that is quite a staggering figure. And
- 20:57Speaker 1: actually William h one of our producers. Thanks William, give
- 21:01Speaker 1: me a list of a comparative list of petrol pass
- 21:03Speaker 1: prices around the world. So we'll talk about that in
- 21:05Speaker 1: extra absolutely. Okay, let's come back to the UK then,
- 21:10Speaker 1: And of course the Starmer government was supposed to be
- 21:14Speaker 1: releasing the Mandleson files today at twelve thirty. There was
- 21:18Speaker 1: supposed to be a statement made in the House of
- 21:20Speaker 1: Commons immediately after Prime Minister's questions. The statement was supposed
- 21:25Speaker 1: to be made by the Chief Secretary of the Prime Minister,
- 21:28Speaker 1: Darren Jones. But strangely enough, at around twelve thirty, when
- 21:32Speaker 1: Prime Minister's questions was finished, MP started filing out of
- 21:36Speaker 1: the building, out of the room, and they immediately got
- 21:40Speaker 1: onto the topic of the Royal Mail and whether it
- 21:43Speaker 1: was letting people down with respect to letter deliveries. So
- 21:47Speaker 1: these files are supposed to be talking about the process
- 21:51Speaker 1: that led up to Mandleson being given the role of
- 21:54Speaker 1: ambassador in Washington, and the release if it happens, if
- 21:59Speaker 1: it may have happened by now, but it certainly hadn't
- 22:02Speaker 1: happened when they said it was going to happen. The
- 22:04Speaker 1: release is because it's happening because a few weeks ago
- 22:08Speaker 1: the Tories used what's known as a humble address to
- 22:12Speaker 1: demand the release of the files. So, in other words,
- 22:15Speaker 1: the used parliamentary procedure to create a kind of petition
- 22:17Speaker 1: to the King, not that the King had anything actually
- 22:20Speaker 1: to do with the outcome. So anyway, Mandelson, for his part,
- 22:24Speaker 1: still under investigation for misconduct and public office, even though
- 22:28Speaker 1: his passport has been returned to him. So we will
- 22:31Speaker 1: see whether this result in the files being released today
- 22:35Speaker 1: or not, whether it's just a matter of an r
- 22:37Speaker 1: to his delay, or whether whether that's something more significant.
- 22:42Speaker 1: But in the meantime, I wanted to highlight this BBC
- 22:45Speaker 1: article because it's headlined as you can see on screen
- 22:49Speaker 1: there BBC Jeffrey Epstein had two key aids. Why do
- 22:53Speaker 1: they still control his money and secrets? And what they're
- 22:58Speaker 1: saying is that the FBI had a run at Epstein's
- 23:01Speaker 1: mansion in New York in July twenty nineteen with a
- 23:03Speaker 1: warrant which meant that they well because of they made
- 23:08Speaker 1: a mistake with the war. That meant that they could
- 23:10Speaker 1: not remove items that they found when they forced open
- 23:12Speaker 1: the safe that included diamonds, bundles of cash, passports, binders,
- 23:17Speaker 1: the CDs and hard drives. And then by the time
- 23:20Speaker 1: the FBI returned with the proper pit work, everything had
- 23:24Speaker 1: been removed and taken to the home of Epstein's accountant,
- 23:27Speaker 1: Richard Khan. The BBC's reporting that Can is going to
- 23:30Speaker 1: be giving evidence to the House Oversight Committee later today
- 23:34Speaker 1: and that Epstein's lawyer, Darren Indyke will be giving evidence
- 23:38Speaker 1: to the same committee on Thursday next week. That's the nineteenth. Now,
- 23:42Speaker 1: these are the men who still seem to be in
- 23:45Speaker 1: control of Epstein's assets and possessions. And to quote the BBC,
- 23:49Speaker 1: they say that the pair allegedly received millions and fees
- 23:52Speaker 1: and loans from Epstein, paid off survivors, and even facilitated
- 23:56Speaker 1: course marriages for women traffic from abroad to allow them
- 23:59Speaker 1: to stay in the US. And this was according to
- 24:01Speaker 1: documents file in court. One lawsuit they say alleges that
- 24:05Speaker 1: no one except Glenn Maxwell was quote as essential and
- 24:10Speaker 1: central to Epstein's operation as in dyking Can. So the
- 24:13Speaker 1: question is did the blackmail and trafficking end with the
- 24:17Speaker 1: arrest of Epstein. I don't know the answer to that,
- 24:19Speaker 1: but it does seem strange that neither of these men
- 24:22Speaker 1: seems to have even been questioned about their possible role
- 24:26Speaker 1: in Epstein's criminality until they appear in front of these committees.
- 24:30Speaker 1: But of course that's not a criminal investigation. So we
- 24:34Speaker 1: have to watch the space and see what happens, and
- 24:37Speaker 1: also watch the space to see whether the Mandelson files
- 24:40Speaker 1: are actually released today or not. But hopefully some momentum
- 24:45Speaker 1: could be kept in this whole thing. But now let's
- 24:48Speaker 1: just move on and remind everybody that, of course we
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- 25:17Speaker 1: and beat the censorship agenda. Tonight Jeream is talking about
- 25:24Speaker 1: a solution for growing food at prisons and schools. Joined
- 25:28Speaker 1: Jeram at seven pm for that discussion. Tomorrow at one
- 25:32Speaker 1: pm there's discussion with Professor Richard Enos. That is Diane
- 25:37Speaker 1: Rasmussen running that. Joined Diane for that at one pm
- 25:41Speaker 1: tomorrow and Charles very very briefly. Diane then is speaking
- 25:45Speaker 1: at the Truth University at the weekend.
- 25:49Speaker 2: She is, yes, a Truth University having been set up
- 25:51Speaker 2: by Professor Glorian Moss, who UK call them readers certainly
- 25:54Speaker 2: should be very familiar with. She's written many times UK
- 25:56Speaker 2: call them and indeed recorded a couple of interviews and
- 25:59Speaker 2: that's taking place over the weekend, and indeed some of
- 26:02Speaker 2: the speakers are Diane herself, Clive to Carl and Mark Devlin.
- 26:06Speaker 2: So do get along to that and there'll be a
- 26:08Speaker 2: link in the show notes.
- 26:10Speaker 1: Thank you for that, Charles. Okay. Now the government has
- 26:13Speaker 1: launched finally a consultation asking the public to share their
- 26:18Speaker 1: views on how a digital ID should be implemented in
- 26:22Speaker 1: the UK. This is all about, as they describe it,
- 26:26Speaker 1: making public services quicker, easier and more secured access. They say,
- 26:31Speaker 1: from managing free childcare payments to filling in tax returns.
- 26:35Speaker 1: The consultation will seek views from people on how the
- 26:39Speaker 1: system could be used to make public services work better
- 26:41Speaker 1: for them and if that isn't enough for you to
- 26:44Speaker 1: be extremely enthusiastic about it. They say that anyone starting
- 26:49Speaker 1: a new job will use the new digital proof of
- 26:52Speaker 1: identity for digital right to work checks. Of course, they
- 26:55Speaker 1: initially said that this was going to be mandatory, and
- 26:57Speaker 1: then they said it wasn't going to be mandatory, but
- 26:59Speaker 1: the press release on a today says and I quote
- 27:02Speaker 1: which will be required by the end of the parliament.
- 27:04Speaker 1: So I'm not sure that they know themselves whether this
- 27:07Speaker 1: is going to be mandatory or not, and so on.
- 27:11Speaker 1: But the questions that they're asking in this consultation or
- 27:14Speaker 1: in going to include things like at what age should
- 27:17Speaker 1: you be able to get a digital ID, What information
- 27:19Speaker 1: would it be useful to include, for example proof of
- 27:22Speaker 1: address as well as identity, Which government services could that
- 27:28Speaker 1: it could improve your experience of, for example, getting a
- 27:30Speaker 1: driving license, checking your tax code. Another question might be
- 27:34Speaker 1: how we make sure everyone is included and so on.
- 27:38Speaker 1: So this is the types of questions that are going
- 27:41Speaker 1: to be asking, and of course I'm assuming that they're
- 27:44Speaker 1: going to get a significant pushback on it. But the
- 27:47Speaker 1: other thing that they're doing in parallel with this, something
- 27:51Speaker 1: that Ben has been warning about for a very long time,
- 27:53Speaker 1: is is they're going to establish a People's Panel on
- 27:56Speaker 1: Digital ID, which they say is going to bring people
- 27:59Speaker 1: together across country from different backgrounds, and the panel is
- 28:02Speaker 1: going to have in depth discussion, sharing different views on
- 28:05Speaker 1: proposals and agreeing ways to move forward. And I'm sure
- 28:09Speaker 1: DELFI technique will not be part of that in any way,
- 28:11Speaker 1: shape or form, and there will be no manipulation of
- 28:15Speaker 1: anybody that's involved to come to the conclusions that the
- 28:18Speaker 1: government wants. I'm sure that won't happen at all anyway.
- 28:21Speaker 1: The plan includes at this point integrating health and education
- 28:26Speaker 1: and education data along with other stuff. But look, here's
- 28:29Speaker 1: Darren Jones with a really classy demonstration of the new
- 28:34Speaker 1: digital ID app, which hasn't been released yet, but that
- 28:36Speaker 1: he wanted everybody to see how it's likely to work.
- 28:41Speaker 8: In the future, you'll be able to get all of
- 28:43Speaker 8: your government admin done in the time it takes to
- 28:45Speaker 8: make a cup of tea. If I look at this
- 28:47Speaker 8: example I've got here, you can see some of the
- 28:50Speaker 8: tasks you're going to be able to do in the future.
- 28:52Speaker 8: So I can open it here. I can see my
- 28:54Speaker 8: bigle text is due to be paid pretty soon. I'll
- 28:57Speaker 8: be able to just go straight to pay now see
- 29:00Speaker 8: out and pay using my phone pretty easy. I can
- 29:05Speaker 8: also see that I've got eligibility for childcare funding. I
- 29:08Speaker 8: can check where my local bin collections are based on
- 29:11Speaker 8: what my counselor telling me. And if today we're polling day,
- 29:14Speaker 8: for example, if you wanted to, you'd be able to
- 29:16Speaker 8: go along and use this idea as opposed to using
- 29:18Speaker 8: your passport, if that's what you like to do. I
- 29:21Speaker 8: can also then make sure that if I've got a
- 29:23Speaker 8: new job to go to, I'll be able to share
- 29:25Speaker 8: those details and make it very simple, as my Right
- 29:27Speaker 8: to work check is being digitized from twenty twenty.
- 29:30Speaker 3: Right.
- 29:30Speaker 1: That's enough for that. So, Charles, I noticed you had
- 29:33Speaker 1: your head in your hands as you were watching that.
- 29:37Speaker 2: Well I did. I mean for several reasons. I'm not
- 29:39Speaker 2: sure it's time to go into all of them. I mean,
- 29:40Speaker 2: the first thing was it is it an either or
- 29:42Speaker 2: do you either have digital ID or a cup of tea?
- 29:44Speaker 2: Because that seems a strange choice to present the population with.
- 29:47Speaker 2: I think the other thing is I mean, as far
- 29:49Speaker 2: as he was presenting it, it really seems to be
- 29:51Speaker 2: applicable to anybody whose brain might have just fallen out
- 29:55Speaker 2: of their head as they were making that cup of tea.
- 29:57Speaker 2: I can't really see any other use for what He's.
- 30:01Speaker 1: Indeed plenty to talk about later on an extra on
- 30:04Speaker 1: that as well, But in the meantime, Tony Blair and
- 30:08Speaker 1: well this company that we have on screen now, Cybernetica
- 30:11Speaker 1: are jointly piloting a verifiable credential system in Kenya. This
- 30:16Speaker 1: is a wallet based digital credential systems. It's just exactly
- 30:19Speaker 1: like being rolled out in the UK. It's aimed at
- 30:22Speaker 1: managing is particularly targeted in this case at education degrees
- 30:26Speaker 1: in Kenya, and the country's Public Service Commission is involved
- 30:30Speaker 1: in the project now. Commenting on the project, the head
- 30:33Speaker 1: of Digital Identity Technologies at cyber Netica, Van Heiberg said,
- 30:39Speaker 1: the Kenyan wallet project has been a valuable journey for Cybernetica.
- 30:42Speaker 1: We've we're proud to have delivered a secure, modern solution
- 30:46Speaker 1: for education degree certificates with the Tony Blair Institute. This
- 30:50Speaker 1: experience has strengthened our confidence in wallet technologies and potential
- 30:55Speaker 1: and so on. So, Charles, I'll come back to you
- 30:58Speaker 1: for a little bit of comment this because of course
- 31:01Speaker 1: you're very familiar with Kenya. But here we have once
- 31:04Speaker 1: again the Tony Blair Institute working hand in glove with
- 31:08Speaker 1: all kinds of people to do all kinds of nasty
- 31:11Speaker 1: things in that part of the world.
- 31:14Speaker 2: Yeah, indeed, most notably Oracle in fact, and this has
- 31:18Speaker 2: been pushed for a long long time. I think the
- 31:19Speaker 2: sinister part of this is that, in a way slightly
- 31:23Speaker 2: differently to the way in which it's affecting itself here,
- 31:26Speaker 2: this is very much also part of the targeting of
- 31:30Speaker 2: newborns and the linking of birth certificate data with medical
- 31:35Speaker 2: information and essentially getting people on the list so that
- 31:38Speaker 2: pharmaceutical products are forced into children as part of this
- 31:42Speaker 2: sort of digital process from basically from the start, and
- 31:46Speaker 2: that the two things are just absolutely laid over the
- 31:48Speaker 2: top of each other, which explains very much why there's
- 31:51Speaker 2: been such a push for sort of continued improvements in
- 31:55Speaker 2: healthcare and Africa. You send out teams, diagnostic teams, and
- 31:58Speaker 2: then of course that's your gay as well as being
- 32:01Speaker 2: able to present them with the idea that there's money
- 32:04Speaker 2: to be made, not not exactly made, but compensation in
- 32:07Speaker 2: all of this to be worth people's While it's very
- 32:10Speaker 2: very cynical, very sinister, I would say.
- 32:12Speaker 1: Yes, and staying with the UK government, what matters.
- 32:17Speaker 2: Yes, well exactly, well, whatever it is, Steve Reid really
- 32:20Speaker 2: wants to protect it. And he's now been bunked from Agriculture,
- 32:24Speaker 2: from DEFRAH into the Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local
- 32:27Speaker 2: Government and he has just announced a new paper which
- 32:30Speaker 2: actually follows very closely some of what Mike has just
- 32:32Speaker 2: been describing. So well, just look at a video of
- 32:35Speaker 2: him in the House of Commons speaking just a couple
- 32:39Speaker 2: of days ago.
- 32:43Speaker 9: Britain has faced global crises at many moments in our history,
- 32:48Speaker 9: and we got through them by staying strong and united.
- 32:53Speaker 9: Today we navigate new threats to our communities and families,
- 32:58Speaker 9: and we must stand together once again against those who
- 33:02Speaker 9: seek to divide and weaken us. They want to sow
- 33:07Speaker 9: division in our streets, our neighborhoods, our homes, and in
- 33:11Speaker 9: our minds. They feed of deliberate misinformation, hatred and extremism
- 33:18Speaker 9: carried across social media by algorithms and funded by hostile
- 33:23Speaker 9: states and rogue billionaires determined to pull our communities apart.
- 33:29Speaker 9: Online echo chambers, hatred for those with a different point
- 33:33Speaker 9: of view, and unwillingness to seek compromise have led to
- 33:38Speaker 9: a politics more aggressive, polarized, and toxic than we've seen before,
- 33:44Speaker 9: certainly in our lifetimes. As a nation, we are proof
- 33:50Speaker 9: that people from different backgrounds can live, work and contribute together,
- 33:55Speaker 9: a multi ethnic democracy where neighbors look out for each other.
- 34:00Speaker 9: But the foundations on which this country was built have
- 34:04Speaker 9: been rocked by the rapid change all around us.
- 34:12Speaker 2: On the face of it, this might sound like a
- 34:15Speaker 2: well intentioned plan, but of course interesting to note that
- 34:17Speaker 2: a government minister wouldn't accept any responsibility for any of
- 34:20Speaker 2: the things that have gone wrong that he describes. Anyway,
- 34:23Speaker 2: we will now look at the document itself, protecting what
- 34:25Speaker 2: matters towards a more confident, cohesive and resilient United Kingdom,
- 34:30Speaker 2: and I would add the words whether you like it
- 34:32Speaker 2: or not, because that's definitely the direction in which this
- 34:34Speaker 2: is going. He prefixes it by saying, as you heard
- 34:37Speaker 2: in his speech, We've endured rapid technological, demographic, economic change. Again,
- 34:41Speaker 2: no suggestion that the government has had anything to do
- 34:44Speaker 2: with this. And what's being described as a rising tide
- 34:46Speaker 2: of extremism and in particular malign foreign influence, and that
- 34:49Speaker 2: is a very strong theme running through this document. On
- 34:52Speaker 2: the foreign thing. They talk about hostile states actively seeking
- 34:56Speaker 2: to divide us as part of their hybrid strategies, and
- 34:58Speaker 2: of course we need think no more than Russia and
- 35:00Speaker 2: Iran being the most obvious examples at the moment. Social
- 35:03Speaker 2: cohesion is therefore not just a good in and of itself,
- 35:07Speaker 2: it is also a vital front in the resilience of
- 35:10Speaker 2: our national security. Now there it is that is the
- 35:13Speaker 2: hook with which this document is is hung. We go
- 35:18Speaker 2: on to talk about the proud tradition of free speech,
- 35:20Speaker 2: and this will not surprise you at all because there
- 35:23Speaker 2: is a but freedom of expression is fundamental to our democracy.
- 35:26Speaker 2: But when people abuse these freedoms, they undermine social cohesion,
- 35:31Speaker 2: leave minority groups feeling unsafe, and weaken support for freedom
- 35:36Speaker 2: to protest. So again, rather a lot of hypocrisy coming
- 35:41Speaker 2: out here, or at least inconsistency. But what are they
- 35:43Speaker 2: going to do about it. And as I say, this
- 35:45Speaker 2: is the whether you like it or not bit. They're
- 35:47Speaker 2: going to develop a social Cohesion Measurement framework, They're going
- 35:50Speaker 2: to introduce a local Cohesion Risk Assessment tool and increed
- 35:54Speaker 2: increase and improve mechanisms for join up across government. And
- 35:58Speaker 2: here we are again to tackle or information manipulation. So
- 36:02Speaker 2: there's a very very strong push to suggest that all
- 36:05Speaker 2: of the interference and everything that's gone wrong has come
- 36:07Speaker 2: from overseas. They're going to introduce a State Threats Designation
- 36:11Speaker 2: power and building resilient communities is a whole of society effort. Now,
- 36:16Speaker 2: if you've been watching UK column news for any length
- 36:18Speaker 2: of time, you will absolutely recognize that phrase and know
- 36:20Speaker 2: where this is going. And finally, there'll be a Social
- 36:23Speaker 2: Cohesion Task Force which will drive this work from within
- 36:26Speaker 2: government with strong ministerial oversight. Now, I think the last
- 36:31Speaker 2: bit that absolutely is worth reading in terms of whether
- 36:35Speaker 2: you like it or not, is about teaching our values
- 36:37Speaker 2: and history. We will mandate citizenship classes in schools and
- 36:41Speaker 2: teach digital literacy, going back to Mike's segment of just now,
- 36:46Speaker 2: to help young people navigate the modern world. We will
- 36:48Speaker 2: improve the national curriculums teaching of our nation's history and
- 36:54Speaker 2: insure Holocaust awareness stays a compulsory topic in schools. There
- 37:00Speaker 2: is a lot more in this document, and then link
- 37:02Speaker 2: will be in the show notes. I would encourage you
- 37:04Speaker 2: to go and read through it, because there is nothing
- 37:07Speaker 2: inclusive about this. This is absolutely being driven by the
- 37:10Speaker 2: government determining the type of society that you are to
- 37:14Speaker 2: be a part of. And I would suggest that this
- 37:17Speaker 2: is absolutely an add on to what came out last
- 37:20Speaker 2: year in the National Security Strategy and Strategic Defense Review,
- 37:24Speaker 2: both of which with this whole society approach, point to
- 37:27Speaker 2: conscription in one form or another. And I would just
- 37:30Speaker 2: finish off with a very brief glimpse of JD. Vance
- 37:33Speaker 2: speaking in twenty twenty four and how that might relate
- 37:36Speaker 2: to the idea of conscription and indeed armed conflict now
- 37:43Speaker 2: three or four.
- 37:48Speaker 10: Donald Trump and I believe that America ought to be
- 37:51Speaker 10: tough in America ought to have a strong foreign policy.
- 37:54Speaker 10: But when people like Kamala Harris send our sons and daughters,
- 37:57Speaker 10: our young people to fight in superd war, it is
- 38:00Speaker 10: the young generation that carries the burden of that. We're
- 38:03Speaker 10: going to stop sending our young people to far away lands.
- 38:06Speaker 10: We are not the policemen of the world. We need
- 38:08Speaker 10: to use our young people here at home.
- 38:14Speaker 2: So more about that in extra.
- 38:18Speaker 1: Charles just got a couple of seconds here. I just
- 38:21Speaker 1: you were talking about hypocrisy. There any suggestion in this
- 38:25Speaker 1: document that they are protecting the right of the freedom
- 38:29Speaker 1: to protest at the time that we've seen the Police
- 38:33Speaker 1: Crime and Courts Bill and all the other legislation we've
- 38:36Speaker 1: seen in the last two years, which is specifically designed
- 38:39Speaker 1: over the last few years, is specifically designed to shut
- 38:41Speaker 1: down the right to protest. But how can they say
- 38:44Speaker 1: this with a straight face?
- 38:46Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I think this is it. And this
- 38:48Speaker 2: pertains very closely to Basile Valentine segment from Friday, and
- 38:52Speaker 2: this this link that we've seen absolutely for the last
- 38:54Speaker 2: couple of years, in particular connecting activities that would be
- 38:58Speaker 2: designed as being sort of counting our to if anyone
- 39:00Speaker 2: who disagrees with anything the government might say could be
- 39:03Speaker 2: captured within the definition of extremism and then of course terrorism.
- 39:07Speaker 2: And I'm afraid that is absolutely the direction this is
- 39:09Speaker 2: going in. And for a document that is supposedly sort
- 39:12Speaker 2: of warm and loving and about social cohesion. There are
- 39:15Speaker 2: an astonishing number of references to both extremism in terrorism
- 39:19Speaker 2: and terrorism in that document.
- 39:21Speaker 1: Yes, okay, thank you well. Just to finish off on
- 39:23Speaker 1: the democracy side of things, let's just bring this on
- 39:26Speaker 1: screen because his Starma regime has completed a project which
- 39:29Speaker 1: Tony Blair started in nineteen ninety eight with the passing
- 39:32Speaker 1: of the Hereditary Peers Bill yesterday. The majority of hereditary
- 39:37Speaker 1: peers who inherit their titles through their families, of course
- 39:41Speaker 1: they were abolished. In other words, they were no longer
- 39:44Speaker 1: allowed to sit in the House of Lords from nineteen
- 39:47Speaker 1: ninety nine during the Blair government. This has never been
- 39:53Speaker 1: about contribution of individuals, they said, But the underlying principle
- 39:57Speaker 1: was agreed by Parliament over twenty five years ago. One
- 40:00Speaker 1: should sit in our parliament by where by way of
- 40:02Speaker 1: an inherited title. That's the comment by Barnest Smith. But
- 40:06Speaker 1: of course the issue here is that the Lords has
- 40:10Speaker 1: been absolutely effective at blogging or reversing government policy in
- 40:16Speaker 1: three main ways. But they defeat statutory instruments where the
- 40:20Speaker 1: government has no way to override that defeat, and of
- 40:24Speaker 1: course statuary instruments secondary legislation often the most egregious way
- 40:28Speaker 1: of getting some of this horrible legislation through. They delay
- 40:32Speaker 1: primary legislation to the point that it runs out of
- 40:35Speaker 1: time and so on. And we just should remember the
- 40:38Speaker 1: previous attempt by the British government to get id cards
- 40:41Speaker 1: in the House of Lords. Absolutely stop that, and they're
- 40:44Speaker 1: currently stopping the Assistant Dying Bill and so on. So
- 40:49Speaker 1: you know, the House of Lords has been under attack
- 40:52Speaker 1: for quite a long time because it has been effective
- 40:55Speaker 1: at stopping the worst successes of the British government of
- 40:58Speaker 1: the day. We'll talk more about this an extra but Ronessa,
- 41:01Speaker 1: let's move on to Unite and Lebanon.
- 41:07Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 41:07Speaker 5: Of course, the conflict is expanding, or has been expanding
- 41:11Speaker 5: for some time now into Lebanon and recent developments between
- 41:17Speaker 5: I guess the certain factions within the Lebanese government.
- 41:21Speaker 3: Here.
- 41:22Speaker 5: This is President Alan saying that Lebanon calls for direct
- 41:26Speaker 5: talks with Israel and accuses has blurw of betraying the country.
- 41:30Speaker 5: Of course, the reality is that factions within the government
- 41:33Speaker 5: that are aligned with Israel have effectively been failing to
- 41:37Speaker 5: defend their own people in the south and in the
- 41:40Speaker 5: eastern areas of Lebanon that have been under attack from
- 41:44Speaker 5: Israel since the ceasefire took place in November twenty twenty four,
- 41:49Speaker 5: which of course Israel has violated thousands of times. And
- 41:54Speaker 5: then effectively, Israel has turned down the invitation to direct
- 41:59Speaker 5: negotiation and it has actually said that it prepares for
- 42:03Speaker 5: an extended campaign against Lebanon even if the Iran wore
- 42:08Speaker 5: wraps up. And in fact, in the last couple of
- 42:12Speaker 5: days we've seen the targeting of what is known by
- 42:18Speaker 5: Zionist deligne media as the Hasbala banking system. But in reality,
- 42:22Speaker 5: if we can just put the video on screen and
- 42:25Speaker 5: I'll just keep talking while it's playing, this is in
- 42:29Speaker 5: central Beirut. This is an area known as hasmiir and
- 42:33Speaker 5: here it's one of the Kadal Hassen banks that of
- 42:35Speaker 5: course provide a usually free interest free lending service to
- 42:42Speaker 5: all Lebanese civilians. And effectively Israel has been targeting all
- 42:47Speaker 5: of them across the south within the suburbs of Beirute
- 42:52Speaker 5: for the last couple of days. And then if we
- 42:56Speaker 5: just bring up the fact that also Israel has carried
- 43:00Speaker 5: out two incursions into Lebanese territory in the eastern Bekar area,
- 43:07Speaker 5: and I'll show the map shortly where you can see
- 43:10Speaker 5: where this is, and it means that two helicopter landings
- 43:13Speaker 5: including special commando forces have come in from the eastern
- 43:18Speaker 5: sector of Lebanon, but in fact from Syrian territory. If
- 43:22Speaker 5: we can just have a quick look at the map,
- 43:25Speaker 5: people can see very clearly that that incursion has to
- 43:28Speaker 5: have come in from Syrian territory and therefore with the
- 43:32Speaker 5: permission or approval of Jolani or ahmadal Sharda and his
- 43:38Speaker 5: al Kaedo regime in Syria itself. At the same time,
- 43:43Speaker 5: Hezbola has been extremely successful in its targeting of particularly
- 43:49Speaker 5: the radar and surveillance systems inside Israel itself and driving
- 43:54Speaker 5: the settlements or settlers in the northern area of the
- 43:59Speaker 5: occupied toritories out from their settlements. In fact, the mayor
- 44:03Speaker 5: of the area has said, we can't possibly continue under
- 44:06Speaker 5: this barrage, and they have actually used precision guided missiles
- 44:11Speaker 5: for the first time. And then finally, I just want
- 44:14Speaker 5: to show this video which apparently was filmed from a
- 44:17Speaker 5: car in the occupied territories, and it shows the direct
- 44:22Speaker 5: targeting of the radar station that you can see on
- 44:25Speaker 5: the right there as the car is traveling past, it's
- 44:28Speaker 5: hit by a hes BLA missile directly, and I have
- 44:33Speaker 5: to say there has been very little interception of either
- 44:36Speaker 5: the drones or the missiles, which again points to the
- 44:40Speaker 5: fact that the saturation technique by Iran and Hesbela is working,
- 44:46Speaker 5: despite Trump's claims, of course, that they've entirely run out
- 44:49Speaker 5: of missiles, drones, launchers, air defense, and anything else that
- 44:53Speaker 5: they might need in this war.
- 44:56Speaker 1: Thank you for that. Fanness and Charles obviously continues. But
- 45:01Speaker 1: what is the effect that that's having here? Then?
- 45:06Speaker 2: Well, I think one of the main effects is the
- 45:09Speaker 2: elements of certainly confusion and an opportunity, and how they
- 45:12Speaker 2: may overlap. And I think this is very well exemplified,
- 45:14Speaker 2: admittedly not from here, but from the United States, where
- 45:18Speaker 2: the Energy Secretary Chris Right tweeted out that the US
- 45:23Speaker 2: Navy had escorted an oil tanker through the Straits of
- 45:26Speaker 2: Hormuz That s turned out to be complete nonsense and
- 45:29Speaker 2: begs the question, one Earth did he tweet it if
- 45:31Speaker 2: he wasn't sure or where had he got that information from?
- 45:33Speaker 2: Of course, the White House had to scramble to correct
- 45:36Speaker 2: the narrative. Now just to qualify, there we go. That's
- 45:41Speaker 2: him removing the poster that went down, But just to
- 45:44Speaker 2: look at the Strait of Homers, which is more or
- 45:46Speaker 2: less in the middle of the image shown on screen. Now,
- 45:48Speaker 2: this is from marine traffic showing all the ships that
- 45:51Speaker 2: are active in that area. And with a bit of
- 45:53Speaker 2: a close up you can see the Kasab Peninsula sticking
- 45:58Speaker 2: out from Oman in the northern part of Omam there
- 46:00Speaker 2: with a lot of red dots there and essentially most
- 46:03Speaker 2: of the red vessels there are concerned in some way
- 46:05Speaker 2: in the transportation of oil. Now, in relation to why
- 46:10Speaker 2: did write tweet out such a thing and what was
- 46:13Speaker 2: the effect, we've got oil price dot Com showing these
- 46:15Speaker 2: spikes in prices of the various types on the Brent
- 46:19Speaker 2: crude indexes that have happened over the last week or so.
- 46:22Speaker 2: And what's very important to note or interesting to note,
- 46:26Speaker 2: is that when he made this tweet, there was a
- 46:29Speaker 2: sharp decline in the price of oil, because of course
- 46:32Speaker 2: there was great confidence. Now to any oil trader that
- 46:35Speaker 2: would have known or observed or had an insight into this,
- 46:39Speaker 2: presumably a lot of money could have been made from
- 46:42Speaker 2: such an instant. So I think that absolutely goes to
- 46:46Speaker 2: the sort of opportunity element of it, and of course
- 46:48Speaker 2: how does that affect us well, particularly at the petrol pump.
- 46:51Speaker 2: We've just had Vanessa's video talking about very very low prices.
- 46:56Speaker 2: We've had prices up to one pound eighty per liter
- 46:59Speaker 2: of petrol in United Kingdom, and here we see the
- 47:01Speaker 2: Bank of England in actual factor has not changed the
- 47:04Speaker 2: base rate still at three point seventy five, with an
- 47:06Speaker 2: update not due until later this month, but that has
- 47:09Speaker 2: not stopped the mortgage industry, of course, from as reported
- 47:14Speaker 2: here by a morning Star mortgage rates rise amid Iran
- 47:17Speaker 2: warn Now, of course they've provided some sort of justification
- 47:21Speaker 2: for it, but really I think it shouldn't be viewed
- 47:23Speaker 2: as anything other than opportunism in the same way that
- 47:26Speaker 2: similar overtures and moves were made after the EU referendum
- 47:31Speaker 2: back in twenty sixteen, in terms of who is benefiting
- 47:34Speaker 2: and how that affects us, because of course it is
- 47:36Speaker 2: our money that's paying for all this. We've got the
- 47:38Speaker 2: Financial Times publishing the foots all share area space and
- 47:42Speaker 2: defense price and if you can't see the graph, it's
- 47:44Speaker 2: a five year representation which has just climbed steeper and
- 47:47Speaker 2: steeper and steeper. Particularly over the last two to three years,
- 47:52Speaker 2: and of course is set to continue.
- 47:54Speaker 3: Now.
- 47:55Speaker 2: All this is predicated on the idea that Iran and
- 47:58Speaker 2: indeed Russia present a threat. We hear consistently that twenty
- 48:03Speaker 2: terror plots were foiled from Iranian state backed actors over
- 48:07Speaker 2: the course of the last year. Ken McCullum repeated the
- 48:10Speaker 2: saying this the head of mi I five. So therefore
- 48:13Speaker 2: it seems pertinent to go to the threat level assessment
- 48:17Speaker 2: itself from the Security Service, and we can see in
- 48:20Speaker 2: much the same way that COVID nineteen was downgraded just
- 48:24Speaker 2: before we were all locked up, the threat level actually
- 48:27Speaker 2: hasn't changed since before Russia's incursion into Ukraine back in
- 48:31Speaker 2: February twenty twenty two. It is still at substantial. So
- 48:35Speaker 2: the rhetoric does not seem to be matched by the
- 48:38Speaker 2: Security Service analysis. And on the element of inconsistency, I've
- 48:43Speaker 2: just captured that situation, no change. But on the element
- 48:46Speaker 2: of inconsistency, we go to the times of Israel where
- 48:49Speaker 2: they are absolutely sort of propagating the narrative going across
- 48:53Speaker 2: all the mainstream, which is that the Iranian police chief
- 48:55Speaker 2: has threatened that if any protesters are caught outside, they
- 48:58Speaker 2: will be confronted as an enemy, and of course that
- 49:01Speaker 2: we are therefore supposed to take a very dim view
- 49:03Speaker 2: of this. But this coincides exactly with the idea that
- 49:07Speaker 2: the Metropolitan Police has put out an update, and of
- 49:10Speaker 2: course that update is about the Al Kuds March, which
- 49:13Speaker 2: was due to take place this Sunday. The Home Secretory
- 49:15Speaker 2: is consented to the police banning this march.
- 49:18Speaker 7: Now.
- 49:18Speaker 2: Alcuds is the Arabic name for Jerusalem and started in
- 49:21Speaker 2: nineteen seventy nine as a pro Palestine movement. Of course,
- 49:26Speaker 2: the police are saying that it originated in Iran and London,
- 49:31Speaker 2: and in London it's organized by the Islamic Human Rights Commission,
- 49:34Speaker 2: an organization supportive of the Iranian regime, which begs the
- 49:37Speaker 2: question would it have been banned if it were not
- 49:39Speaker 2: supportive of the Iranian regime but was still supportive of Palestine.
- 49:43Speaker 2: But they now try to dismiss suspicion that they're doing
- 49:47Speaker 2: this for any reason other than the risk that the
- 49:50Speaker 2: protests presents. They say they don't prefer one political view
- 49:52Speaker 2: over another, and they'll do everything they can to reduce
- 49:55Speaker 2: violence and disorder, which seems slightly less than credible, and
- 49:59Speaker 2: of course they have to finish with the veiled threat.
- 50:01Speaker 2: They urged the organizers to comply with the conditions or
- 50:06Speaker 2: to face arrest. So that's the situation as it is.
- 50:11Speaker 2: I mean, there are only some of the very very
- 50:14Speaker 2: many ways in which this so called defensive posture is
- 50:17Speaker 2: actually affecting people people quite substantially in the United United Kingdom,
- 50:21Speaker 2: and is set to do so from hereafter.
- 50:23Speaker 1: Really, thank you for that, Charles Vanessa. Let's go back
- 50:27Speaker 1: to Lebanon then, and well, we've been talking over the
- 50:30Speaker 1: last couple of weeks about who is sitting along the
- 50:35Speaker 1: border between Lebanon and Syria. Are there some new incumbents
- 50:41Speaker 1: of that location.
- 50:44Speaker 5: Yes, there are, I mean they have been there for
- 50:47Speaker 5: some time. But actually I was talking with a friend
- 50:50Speaker 5: of mine that is still inside Syria and they gave
- 50:53Speaker 5: me some fairly updated information. So, first of all, the
- 50:58Speaker 5: Syrian president as he's described here, of course I wouldn't
- 51:01Speaker 5: describe him as that, But Joe Lanney, head of al Qaeda,
- 51:04Speaker 5: and isis in Syria, vow's absolute support to disarm Hesbola
- 51:09Speaker 5: in Lebanon. Well, of course he does, because he also
- 51:13Speaker 5: is effectively a Zionist agent in the region. But I
- 51:18Speaker 5: just wanted We've been talking about how Washington, CIA, I
- 51:23Speaker 5: six have been maneuvering the ISIS elements that have been
- 51:28Speaker 5: inside Syria, but particularly in the UK funded holding camps,
- 51:31Speaker 5: were partially funded holding camps in the northeast, and of
- 51:34Speaker 5: course we've recently seen sort of mass release of those
- 51:39Speaker 5: ISIS terrorist detainees. So I just wanted to because actually
- 51:44Speaker 5: I was chatting, as I said, with my friend and
- 51:46Speaker 5: they pointed this out. So this is in Jerusalem posts,
- 51:49Speaker 5: scent comps, scentcom sorry, he says, up to seven thousand
- 51:53Speaker 5: ISIS So these are the actual fighters, not the family members.
- 51:57Speaker 5: Detainees could be moved to Iraq from Syria, and we've
- 52:01Speaker 5: been reporting on this on UK column and how potentially
- 52:04Speaker 5: they could be used against the Iraqi resistance factions and
- 52:08Speaker 5: even against Iran long term, because America is in my opinion,
- 52:13Speaker 5: never going to put American boots on the ground in Iran.
- 52:15Speaker 5: It would be suicidal, as Chris Murphy has said. But
- 52:20Speaker 5: I just wanted to draw people's attention to this that
- 52:23Speaker 5: we've somehow managed to lose three thousand ISIS fighters. So
- 52:27Speaker 5: this is from within the article. It's believed that there
- 52:30Speaker 5: are around nine thousand male ISIS detainees and Syria. Some
- 52:34Speaker 5: of those are teenagers, but as we've reported, six has
- 52:39Speaker 5: effectively been radicalizing them through various NGOs inside the holding camps.
- 52:46Speaker 5: So that's nine thousand male ISIS detainees. Then it goes
- 52:51Speaker 5: on to say up to seven thousand ISIS detainees could
- 52:57Speaker 5: be transferred from Syria to Iraqi control facilities. So that's
- 53:01Speaker 5: from CENTCOM. But then let's have a look at the
- 53:03Speaker 5: more updated information. So this is from the Office of
- 53:07Speaker 5: the Director of National Intelligence, National counter Terrorism Center Coordination
- 53:14Speaker 5: for US Central Commands, cent COM's successful transfer of more
- 53:18Speaker 5: than five seven hundred ISIS detainees. So forgive me if
- 53:22Speaker 5: my math is wrong, but we seem to be missing
- 53:24Speaker 5: three thy three hundred right. Then let's have a look
- 53:28Speaker 5: at the MAPUSU and again this is based on inside
- 53:31Speaker 5: information that I was told yesterday. The dark circle on
- 53:36Speaker 5: the coastal area of Syria is effectively where many of
- 53:39Speaker 5: the ISIS fighters were committing the mascers against the Alowhites
- 53:43Speaker 5: in that region. Now they've been sorry, those were HTS fighters,
- 53:48Speaker 5: so Jolani military forces, so they've been relocated to the
- 53:53Speaker 5: three main cities of Hama, Homs and Damascus, which are
- 53:58Speaker 5: circled in red. That leads the border with Lebanon without forces.
- 54:04Speaker 5: So what have they effectively done. They've moved those three
- 54:06Speaker 5: thousand plus ISIS fighters from the northeast as you can see,
- 54:11Speaker 5: from the area there to the border with Lebanon where
- 54:14Speaker 5: they are gathering that's been reported in Lebanese media, and
- 54:19Speaker 5: establishing artillery and drawing posts on the border. So clearly
- 54:23Speaker 5: a very prescient threat against Lebanon right now.
- 54:28Speaker 1: Lots to talk about in extra today. Thank you very
- 54:30Speaker 1: much for that, Vanessa, and let's come back to the
- 54:33Speaker 1: UK and bring on screen the new Sovereign AI website.
- 54:39Speaker 1: This is being launched by the British government. The Sovereign
- 54:43Speaker 1: AI Unit is going to ensure the government can harness
- 54:47Speaker 1: AI's capabilities to unlock economic growth and enhance UK national security.
- 54:52Speaker 1: That's what they're saying now. This was originally launched in
- 54:54Speaker 1: June last year, but what they've done is in the
- 54:57Speaker 1: last day or so always launched this new website because
- 54:59Speaker 1: the five hundred million pounds that they are going to
- 55:03Speaker 1: use to fund AI projects in the UK is being
- 55:07Speaker 1: launched via this website. Now the unit itself is working
- 55:12Speaker 1: closely with the Prime Minister's advisor on AI. And as
- 55:17Speaker 1: you say, they've just announced that the five hundred million
- 55:20Speaker 1: pound fund is now effectively live. Now this was all
- 55:25Speaker 1: announced in the AI Opportunities Action Plan, which was originally
- 55:30Speaker 1: prepared by Max Clifford. Matt Clifford. Sorry, the announcement was
- 55:35Speaker 1: made last year, but it's now been implemented. And they
- 55:37Speaker 1: intend to influence AI development by investing in UK companies
- 55:42Speaker 1: to support AI national champions, create and develop AI assets,
- 55:47Speaker 1: AISSE assets and enablers such as data, compute and talent.
- 55:52Speaker 1: This is these are their words, and they say that
- 55:54Speaker 1: they intend to make the UK a partner of choice
- 55:57Speaker 1: for so called frontier aidies. So if we just bring
- 56:02Speaker 1: that back on screen, then we'll see that this was
- 56:05Speaker 1: the Opportunity Unity's action plan. But let's look at who
- 56:09Speaker 1: they're partnering partnering with. So they have a memorandum of
- 56:11Speaker 1: understanding with Anthropic of course, they have the same with Nvidia,
- 56:17Speaker 1: the same with coher and the same with open AI.
- 56:21Speaker 1: So the question is what is sovereign AI. Then, well
- 56:24Speaker 1: that they the definition says that Sovereign AI encompasses several
- 56:28Speaker 1: key elements including infrastructure, sovereignty, data sovereignty, model sovereignty and governance, sovereignty,
- 56:34Speaker 1: and operational autonomy. And this is an interesting thing because
- 56:38Speaker 1: Alex Karp recently said this.
- 56:42Speaker 11: Now you get to Silicon Valley.
- 56:45Speaker 12: My one message for and again I don't I'm without
- 56:48Speaker 12: getting in specific people or because I'm like, if Silicon
- 56:53Speaker 12: mally believes we are going to take away everyone's white
- 56:58Speaker 12: collar job, meaning primarily democratic shaped people whom I grew
- 57:06Speaker 12: up with, highly educated people who went to elite schools
- 57:10Speaker 12: or went to schools that are almost elite, who vote
- 57:12Speaker 12: for one party.
- 57:13Speaker 11: And you're going to screw the military. If you don't
- 57:16Speaker 11: think that's going to lead to nationalization of our technology,
- 57:19Speaker 11: you're retarded, and you might be particularly retarded because you
- 57:23Speaker 11: have a one to sixty IQ.
- 57:24Speaker 12: But this is where that path is going.
- 57:30Speaker 1: So Sovereign AI is a term that can be applied
- 57:33Speaker 1: equally to corporate as well as government. But nonetheless, clearly
- 57:37Speaker 1: the British government is wanting to have major influence in
- 57:40Speaker 1: how AI is being developed. But anyway, speaking of carp
- 57:46Speaker 1: On Volunteer, here is a project typical of the type
- 57:49Speaker 1: we're likely to see the five hundred milligo million going to.
- 57:53Speaker 1: In this case, this money hasn't gone to this particular
- 57:55Speaker 1: but I just wanted to highlight is that this is
- 57:57Speaker 1: as one of the type of projects this is likely
- 58:00Speaker 1: to end up. So this is a report on a
- 58:03Speaker 1: company funded by two former Palanteer employees and one other person.
- 58:08Speaker 1: The company is called Auger. It claims to have developed
- 58:11Speaker 1: an AI security camera system to monitor critical infrastructure and
- 58:15Speaker 1: sensitive sites. They say it integrates with existing cameras and
- 58:19Speaker 1: centers deployed across transport hubs, critical energy infrastructure, stadiums, laboratories,
- 58:26Speaker 1: innovation hubs and other so called sensitive heights sites and
- 58:29Speaker 1: then they apply their AI model to it, and that
- 58:32Speaker 1: AI model is used to detect abnormal behaviors, track what
- 58:37Speaker 1: they describe as unfolding incidents, and reconstruct events in seconds.
- 58:41Speaker 10: Now.
- 58:41Speaker 1: This startup was part funded by this organization plural VC,
- 58:46Speaker 1: which says that when it comes to protecting our people
- 58:49Speaker 1: in critical infrastructure, we cannot afford to be as complete
- 58:51Speaker 1: in the naive as we were in protecting Ukraine. The
- 58:55Speaker 1: new focus on gray zone warfare and domestic sabotage is
- 58:58Speaker 1: not a threat we're currently equipped to protecting our critical
- 59:01Speaker 1: infrastructure is one of the defining challenges of our generation.
- 59:06Speaker 1: So the fear narrative being used to justify this type
- 59:09Speaker 1: of development and this type of funding of these types
- 59:12Speaker 1: of organizations. But Charles, there's been a little bit of
- 59:17Speaker 1: pushback then on the whole AI thing.
- 59:23Speaker 2: There absolutely has, and I think this should be set
- 59:24Speaker 2: within the context of a couple of reports we've had
- 59:26Speaker 2: recently about Anthropic and indeed Open AI in their contracts
- 59:31Speaker 2: with the Department of War in the United States. Now
- 59:34Speaker 2: hasn't actually changed the situation yet, but nonetheless it's been
- 59:36Speaker 2: discussed and it's something that's now in the public consciousness.
- 59:39Speaker 2: But specifically, what has just happened in relation to publications
- 59:43Speaker 2: of books is that this publication don't steal This book
- 59:48Speaker 2: has just come out, which is basically a blank book
- 59:51Speaker 2: which has been reproduced by at least one thousand authors
- 59:54Speaker 2: and it has no words in it. And the point
- 59:56Speaker 2: of this is that it is to message effectively that
- 1:00:01Speaker 2: this sorry, that AI is absolutely there to steal the
- 1:00:09Speaker 2: content that is written by these authors. And as put
- 1:00:12Speaker 2: by the Society of Authors, most of the world's leading
- 1:00:15Speaker 2: AI companies are known to build their models by copying
- 1:00:18Speaker 2: books without permission or payment, some even turning to shady
- 1:00:23Speaker 2: private libraries sorry pirate libraries to source these books and
- 1:00:28Speaker 2: then again referencing Anthropic. This has led to dozens of
- 1:00:32Speaker 2: lawsuits from authors and publishers around the world, one of
- 1:00:34Speaker 2: which was recently settled in a one point five billion
- 1:00:38Speaker 2: dollars settlement between AI Company Andthropic and the author's the
- 1:00:42Speaker 2: largest copyright settlement in history. And this pertains specifically to
- 1:00:48Speaker 2: the United Kingdom's copyright law, which they want to effectively
- 1:00:51Speaker 2: turn on its head. Under the governments heavily criticized proposals,
- 1:00:55Speaker 2: UK copyright law would be upended to benefit global tech giants.
- 1:00:59Speaker 2: AI Company would be free to use an author's work
- 1:01:02Speaker 2: to train their AI models without permission or remuneration. So
- 1:01:07Speaker 2: it's removing the previous system of opting having to opt
- 1:01:12Speaker 2: into something and turning it into in effect and opt
- 1:01:15Speaker 2: out now. I would hope that this is going to
- 1:01:18Speaker 2: be of significant interest to the UK column audience that
- 1:01:22Speaker 2: a logo has been generated and this is put out
- 1:01:25Speaker 2: by the author's guild. Books will now be stamped with
- 1:01:29Speaker 2: this symbol which says human authored. That's the American symbol there.
- 1:01:35Speaker 2: I think the spelling of the British one presumably might be
- 1:01:37Speaker 2: slightly different, but no, sorry, no it won't absolute rubbish.
- 1:01:42Speaker 2: But anyway, it does represent significant pushback in the field
- 1:01:47Speaker 2: of AI. Of course, the music industry and the film
- 1:01:49Speaker 2: industry have had similar moments, but this is good to
- 1:01:53Speaker 2: see that the writing industry has had effectively a sort
- 1:01:56Speaker 2: of moment and a point around which to coalesce and pushback.
- 1:02:00Speaker 2: Whether or not this does actually change the proposals to
- 1:02:03Speaker 2: the UK copyright law remains to be seen, and we
- 1:02:05Speaker 2: will keep you updated on that.
- 1:02:08Speaker 1: Brilliant Thank you very much for that, Charles, Well, we
- 1:02:10Speaker 1: do have to leave it there for today now. I'm
- 1:02:13Speaker 1: sure during Extra we'll be discussing the relative merits of
- 1:02:15Speaker 1: spelling between US and UK English. But join us for
- 1:02:20Speaker 1: that if you are a UK column member. If you're not,
- 1:02:24Speaker 1: maybe you'd like to join as a member, and then
- 1:02:26Speaker 1: you can join us for Extra as well. But don't
- 1:02:29Speaker 1: forget that. John Warfare Tonight interview tomorrow at one pm,
- 1:02:33Speaker 1: and we'll be back as usual one pm on Friday
- 1:02:36Speaker 1: for more UK column news. We'll see you then, Bye bye.