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Never Been Chris’d · Girls Gone Hallmark | Hallmark Movie Reviews

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Girls Gone Hallmark, a Hallmark review podcast. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Megan and I'm a longtime Hallmark movie fan. I'm Wendy.
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  Speaker 2: I'm your former Hallmark hater on the verge of fallen
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  Speaker 2: back in I. I don't know, we're gonna have to
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  Speaker 2: remove the former from your title. Let me just be
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  Speaker 2: clear that I texted you over the weekend and said
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  Speaker 2: that Hallmark has had more missues in their Christmas lineup.
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  Speaker 1: It hasn't been terribly strong. No, when a movie with
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  Speaker 1: a seal and an underwater Christmas tree is the best
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  Speaker 1: offering we've seen so far, no shade. I loved that movie,
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  Speaker 1: but I hear you. Yeah. Today we are discussing Never
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  Speaker 1: Been Chris, which originally aired on Saturday, November fourth on
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  Speaker 1: We are going to jump right into a synopsis for
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  Speaker 1: this movie.
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  Speaker 2: Sure, Thank You Home for the Holidays. BFFs Naomi and
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  Speaker 2: Liz reconnect with high school crush Chris Silver. A complex
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  Speaker 2: love triangle forms, forcing them to take stock of their
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  Speaker 2: lives and find the value of friendship.
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  Speaker 1: This movie was written by Jua Vodkin. Jua has twenty
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  Speaker 1: two previous writing credits, which include Cranberry Christmas, Falling for You,
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  Speaker 1: as well as last year's are Italian Chris Memories and
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  Speaker 1: hashtag Xmas. Cranberry Christmas is one of your faves, right,
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  Speaker 1: It's a good one. I still I need to go
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  Speaker 1: back and watch that. It's talked about so much. I
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  Speaker 1: think it's one of the first that kind of pushes
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  Speaker 1: against Hallmark form.
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  Speaker 2: Oh interesting, okay. Jeff Beasley directed. Jeff had back to
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  Speaker 2: back movies this Weekend with Never Been Christ and The
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  Speaker 2: Santa Summit. His resume also includes Hallmarks, Just One Kiss,
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  Speaker 2: a Christmas Cookie, Catastrophe, Love Strikes Twice, and upcoming for
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  Speaker 2: Him is Miracle in Bethlehem.
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  Speaker 1: Pa Janelle Parish plays Naomi. Janelle has fifty one acting
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  Speaker 1: credits and is probably most well known for her role
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  Speaker 1: on Pretty Little Liars from ten to twenty seventeen. She
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  Speaker 1: also played Big Sister Margo in the twelve The Boys
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  Speaker 1: I've Loved Before movie trilogy on Hallmark. We last saw
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  Speaker 1: Janelle in The Family History Mysteries Buried Past and Pascal
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  Speaker 1: lamonth Kipnas Plays List. She has a rather short resume
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  Speaker 1: with just six acting credits, and this is her very
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  Speaker 1: first Hallmark movie.
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  Speaker 2: Tyler Hines plays Honky Chris Silver. He was last seen
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  Speaker 2: in a picture of her from earlier this year.
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  Speaker 1: Linda co plays Naomi's mom Linda. She has fifty six
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  Speaker 1: acting credits, including Guiding Emily where she played Emily's doctor,
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  Speaker 1: Sweeter Than Chocolate and Open by Christmas. She was also
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  Speaker 1: in two of the tow all the Boys I've Loved
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  Speaker 1: Before movies where she played Aunt Carrie. That's funny, there's
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  Speaker 1: some crossover.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think, like Janelle Parish is like, oh hey,
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  Speaker 2: nice to see you again.
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  Speaker 1: Because they work together in another movie. Yes, I do,
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  Speaker 1: all right.
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  Speaker 2: This movie was filmed in Manitoba, Canada, as well as
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  Speaker 2: some areas of Winnipeg, and filming begin on March twelfth,
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, ended on June third, May twelfth, even
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  Speaker 2: what did I say, Henry March twelfth, Yeah, sorry, May twelfth,
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  Speaker 2: May twelfth. Even On's Henriette Evanons plays Liz's mom, Me Me,
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  Speaker 2: She's been a ton of other home movies, including Made
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  Speaker 2: for each Other, Hanukah On Rae, Love Strikes Twice, and
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  Speaker 2: Sweet Autumn. All right, let's talk first impressions.
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  Speaker 1: Go ahead.
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  Speaker 2: Was this a high school reunion movie or was it
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  Speaker 2: a Christmas movie?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I've got Hallmark apparently isn't ready for
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  Speaker 1: a threesome. Man, I almost died.
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  Speaker 2: Somebody did write in our Facebook group about a threuple.
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  Speaker 1: I was eloalen. Yeah, they called this the throuble movie.
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  Speaker 1: Loved it a thrumble movie. No, not ready for threesomes
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  Speaker 1: on Hallmark. Let's talk about what we liked.
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  Speaker 2: My list is short, but considering my list is short,
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  Speaker 2: I want to say I did like this movie.
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  Speaker 1: Me too, me too? And people did not like this movie.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's because, well we all know, it's because
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  Speaker 2: it was not a Tayler Heines movie.
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  Speaker 1: I agree this movie wasn't a Tyler Heines movie. It's
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  Speaker 1: not about Tyler or his character. He's not the star
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  Speaker 1: of this movie. H While Batkan wrote this movie, and
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  Speaker 1: I said this in our Facebook group, I think it's
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  Speaker 1: important to know that because this is the kind of
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  Speaker 1: movie she writes. She doesn't write boy meets girl, they kiss,
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  Speaker 1: I love you the end. She writes complicated relationships. And
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  Speaker 1: that's what is at the heart of this movie. The
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  Speaker 1: Chris Silver relationship is not the heart of this movie.
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  Speaker 1: You could lift it out of the movie and you've
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  Speaker 1: got a complete story told agreed.
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  Speaker 2: Now, would you be okay with that? If this movie
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  Speaker 2: did not include.
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  Speaker 1: Tyler or a love story. No, I don't need a
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  Speaker 1: love story in all my movies. I like Tyler, but
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  Speaker 1: I loved Janelle and Pascal. I thought they had great
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  Speaker 1: chemistry on screen. And that's a complete movie to me.
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  Speaker 1: The two women reevaluating, redefining their friendship and their working relationship,
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  Speaker 1: and working through their relationships as the adult children with
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  Speaker 1: their moms. That's enough. Yeah, I think so too.
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  Speaker 3: Well.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we've been saying here for a long time, and
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  Speaker 2: it's mostly after Mahogany movies, because I feel like Mahogany
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  Speaker 2: movies gets it right.
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  Speaker 1: They know how to.
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  Speaker 2: They have the friendship angle in these movies down. And
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  Speaker 2: we've been asking for like Hallmark, regular Hallmark non Mahogany
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  Speaker 2: movies to give us something more. It doesn't always have
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  Speaker 2: to be romantic love. And I think this movie is
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  Speaker 2: a solid one about female friendships.
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  Speaker 1: And I liked it me too.
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  Speaker 2: I did also enjoy the difficult dynamics between the daughters
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  Speaker 2: and their moms. I thought Lizz was a little more compelling.
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  Speaker 2: I thought Naomi's came off as a little selfish, but
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  Speaker 2: still an interesting story to look at. I'm sure there's
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  Speaker 2: lots of widowed I mean, her dad was dead right
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  Speaker 2: for seventeen years. To me, Liz's conflict was more believable
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  Speaker 2: than Naomi's conflict. The idea that her mom like, I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna move and we're gonna live together, Well, their whole
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  Speaker 2: problem was boundaries, and that's fine, Like if your mom
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  Speaker 2: wants to be in your life, and your life takes
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  Speaker 2: place in Palo Alto. And where were they living? Where
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  Speaker 2: was this Chicago? They talked about Chicago at some point,
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  Speaker 2: but then they talked about somewhere else too.
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  Speaker 1: They're not in Chicago because Mindy moved to Chicago.
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  Speaker 2: Right, But they're in small town somewhere somewhere. I don't
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  Speaker 2: think there's anything wrong with your mother wanting to be
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  Speaker 2: like connected to your world. I do think there is
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  Speaker 2: something to say about healthy boundaries. Sure, so it's an
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  Speaker 2: interesting story. I just thought Naomi was kind of not
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  Speaker 2: nice about it.
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  Speaker 1: I agree with you.
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  Speaker 2: I thought Liz and the like mom with the second marriage,
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  Speaker 2: and I think that's what that's what it was, right,
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  Speaker 2: that was like a second husband and that their daughter
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  Speaker 2: was going to Stanford and she was left out of
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  Speaker 2: the Christmas card and whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Right. I think that's an interesting story too.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, so I thought those were done well. Yes, I
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  Speaker 2: liked it. I liked that and I thought that was good.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, but is Liz manufacturing content? She's like, you never
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  Speaker 1: chaperone the dance? You never and her mom's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you didn't go because that was twenty years ago. You
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  Speaker 1: gotta let that shit go. But if you're not including
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  Speaker 1: me in your family Christmas car, no, that is something
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  Speaker 1: to be upset about this, I agree.
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  Speaker 2: No, if she's still hanging on to all these things,
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  Speaker 2: that's what I'm saying. Like, the things I didn't like
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  Speaker 2: about this movie is there was so much hung up on,
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  Speaker 2: like who they were in high school. I'm not having
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  Speaker 2: a conversation with my dad thirty years later about something
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  Speaker 2: that happened in high school with me and how that
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  Speaker 2: affected my family dynamic.
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  Speaker 1: Like it's just not happening.
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  Speaker 2: I just hated like this whole, Like these people are
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  Speaker 2: supposed to be thirty five years old.
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  Speaker 1: There's a point where you're maturing. I don't know, am
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  Speaker 1: I making sense here? I think it would have made
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  Speaker 1: more sense at a different time in their lives, like
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  Speaker 1: me ten years post graduation as opposed to seventeen. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: they're still in their twenties. There's some of this, like
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking back ten years. Is my life where I
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  Speaker 1: wanted it to be? These are the expectations I had
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  Speaker 1: from my life. Yes, but seventeen may have been too far.
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  Speaker 2: So should they have recast this with younger actors?
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  Speaker 1: It's a different story. Maybe maybe I think it's a
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  Speaker 1: different story. Are we moving on to what we wished for?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: So I think there are some loose ends for me
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  Speaker 1: that don't get tied up. There's some backstory that I'm missing.
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  Speaker 1: So there's a lot of Liz and Naomi conversation about
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  Speaker 1: Liz brought Naomi into the business, but we only get
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  Speaker 1: that in exposition. We don't really get she's like, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I dragged you along, I gave you half of my business.
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  Speaker 1: It's kind of unclear to me the origin story of
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  Speaker 1: all of them. Yeah, for sure. Feeling resentful, Yes, that's
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  Speaker 1: the word I was looking for. Yes, which is it's
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  Speaker 1: That's also unclear to me because when Naomi says, maybe
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  Speaker 1: it's time for us to do new things and Liz
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  Speaker 1: says put new things together? Yeah, right, I have I
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  Speaker 1: have so many questions, go, did it seem to you
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  Speaker 1: like maybe in the writing it was almost like they
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  Speaker 1: were trying to make Tyler a villain? Were you expecting
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  Speaker 1: him to turn out to be a bad guy?
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  Speaker 2: Look, I would have liked this movie more if he
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  Speaker 2: was like.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, the fake Vegan, not fake Vegan.
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  Speaker 1: But that's where it was headed, and like, oh, he's
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  Speaker 1: such a nice guy. This is all an act. He
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  Speaker 1: moved back to town to be an English teacher. All
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  Speaker 1: of this, are they setting us up for disappointment? And
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  Speaker 1: then they weren't, And I was almost disappointed by them.
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  Speaker 2: I agree with the whole thing where Liz sees him
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  Speaker 2: eat the salmon or whatever and calls him out for
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  Speaker 2: me not being a vegan, and then Naomi sees it eventually, right.
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  Speaker 2: I thought the better road in this movie would have
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  Speaker 2: been for Liz and Naomi to realize that high school
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  Speaker 2: hunk Chris Silver was not it in current day. And
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  Speaker 2: I think that would have been more interesting to watch
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  Speaker 2: in terms of Tyler Hines in this role, because Tyler
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  Speaker 2: Hines is always the good guy, always the honky love
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  Speaker 2: interest or whatever, like let him be hot, but let
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  Speaker 2: him be a douchebag, and then I think he would
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  Speaker 2: have got the last laugh for taking a role that.
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  Speaker 1: Was like so against type. What the hell is a
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  Speaker 1: secretly vegan restaurant?
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  Speaker 2: I had no idea.
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  Speaker 1: I thought that has to be a joke, but it
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  Speaker 1: didn't appear to be. You can't secretly be serving vegan food.
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  Speaker 1: You can't have a menu. Do you remember years ago
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  Speaker 1: at a blogging conference, there was a sponsored offsite event
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  Speaker 1: where they took people and they served them a meal
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  Speaker 1: and then it turned out it was all baby food. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: that's horrifying. You can't lie to people about the food
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  Speaker 1: that you're serving. I agree, and as correspondent Mike pointed,
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  Speaker 1: out in his email it's quite possibly illegal. Oh really,
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  Speaker 1: you can't say I'm serving you cheese and it's not cheese. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: because what if you have an allergy or something whatever
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  Speaker 1: they're using to create if cashw milk, I know I
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  Speaker 1: am allergic to Cashew's.
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  Speaker 2: If somebody was serving me like, yeah, it would be
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  Speaker 2: a huge problem.
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  Speaker 1: At what point does Liz relinquish her crush on Chris,
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  Speaker 1: Because when they go ice skating, it appears to me
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  Speaker 1: that they are equally into him. She even has this
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  Speaker 1: imagined kiss moment. Yeah, then Naomi kisses her, taking her moment,
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  Speaker 1: kisses him, and then on the walk home, she's like,
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  Speaker 1: it's fine, you're good, you have my blessing.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I don't understand.
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  Speaker 2: I thought maybe because she saw him like eat the salmon,
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  Speaker 2: But that happened after the ice skating thing, So to me,
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  Speaker 2: Liz was into him.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, Why did she just like give it up to
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  Speaker 1: keep the peace? I think it's never fully explored. She
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  Speaker 1: doesn't have someone else to have that conversation with. It's
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  Speaker 1: again another reason I think that maybe Naomi and Chris
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  Speaker 1: shouldn't end up together.
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  Speaker 2: I think it would have been better if they didn't
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  Speaker 2: end up together. Yeah, I think it would have been
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  Speaker 2: so much better because you have three people, somebody is
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  Speaker 2: going to lose.
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  Speaker 1: That's not fun to watch. No, unless Liz was the
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  Speaker 1: one who realized, oh he really isn't all that, but
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  Speaker 1: we never saw her have that realization. Thirty minutes before
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  Speaker 1: she was all into him, right right. Mindy is an
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  Speaker 1: underserved character in this movie. I don't even know who
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  Speaker 1: Mindy is. Well, that's because she's all about a throwaway.
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  Speaker 1: There's one scene where Liz and Carly and Mindy are
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  Speaker 1: all having a conversation. It's where Liz decides she's gonna
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  Speaker 1: host jingle Ball. Yes, Carly does all the talking. Mindy's
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  Speaker 1: lines in that scene are she nods, she says things
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  Speaker 1: like you should and he definitely would, But she doesn't
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  Speaker 1: contribute to the conversation other than standing there, and that
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  Speaker 1: happens in many scenes. She's I think, supposed to be
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  Speaker 1: like the cool friend. She was the former cheerleader, go
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  Speaker 1: but she the cheerleader. Yeah, okay, she's like I live
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  Speaker 1: in Chicago now, fine, but she's almost a little bit
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  Speaker 1: too much like we've got party Marty. These archetypes, and
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  Speaker 1: at least they hardly give them any presents in the movie.
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  Speaker 1: If you're going to have a conversation with three women,
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  Speaker 1: let her have an equal role in the conversation. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like I'm the MINDI of this podcast. Sometimes
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  Speaker 1: this is gonna be my question though, in terms of
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  Speaker 1: did it make you uncomfortable watching them where they're like,
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  Speaker 1: I pulled you along, it was my business. I thought,
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  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, is that mean?
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  Speaker 3: No?
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  Speaker 2: I did. I did put us in the scenario a
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  Speaker 2: little bit, but then I quickly backed out of it
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  Speaker 2: because everything that we've done we've done together.
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  Speaker 1: I agree, But and I thought, oh, no, are their
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  Speaker 1: secret resentment? No, not at all, which one of us
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  Speaker 1: is being quiet to keep the peace?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you did pull me into working together initially,
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  Speaker 2: but that was a long time ago. I wouldn't still
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  Speaker 2: be here. Yes, right, it was your idea initially, But
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  Speaker 2: here we are.
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  Speaker 1: Here we are? Can I say I didn't like Naomi.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't find her very likable at all as a person.
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  Speaker 2: I thought she was terrible to her mom. I didn't
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  Speaker 2: think she was a great friend to Liz. And of
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  Speaker 2: course this is all under assumption, not the mom part,
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  Speaker 2: but the friend part, because Liz got into Stanford, Naomi
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  Speaker 2: went wherever I think Iowa or something like that.
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  Speaker 1: Did she need Liz? Did she convince Liz to go?
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  Speaker 2: Like this all backstory that I don't have a full
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  Speaker 2: understanding about.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Liz, she didn't convince her. Liz told her I
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  Speaker 1: didn't get into Stanford because she didn't want Naomi to
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  Speaker 1: have to go to college by herself after her dad.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, there's that. So there's that now. In terms of
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  Speaker 2: Liz and Naomi competing over the attention of.
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  Speaker 1: Chris, Yeah, I think.
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  Speaker 2: Naomi's just like, yeah, I'm gonna go for it, like
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  Speaker 2: she didn't consider Liz's feelings for Chris.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The moment after he kisses her, they do have the
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  Speaker 1: conversation where she tries to blow it off. She's like,
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  Speaker 1: it's no big deal, right, and Liz is like, it's okay,
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  Speaker 1: you have my blessing. But then she accepts the one
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  Speaker 1: on one date. I still think you need to have
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  Speaker 1: a second conversation. I think so too. I think so too.
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  Speaker 1: I have two questions for you. Do you think the expectations.
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  Speaker 2: Were super high for this movie and maybe it didn't
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  Speaker 2: land based on the popularity of Tyler Hines.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I think a lot of the disappointment And I
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  Speaker 1: don't think this is a perfect movie, but I think
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  Speaker 1: a lot of the disappointment falls in people watch a
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  Speaker 1: Tyler Hines movie and they want Tyler Heiness romance. They
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  Speaker 1: want swoony Tyler Hines, and that's not what this movie
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  Speaker 1: was about. Right now, I think Tyler Hines is charming
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  Speaker 1: on screen, and I thought he was charming on screen
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  Speaker 1: in this movie me too. And I liked when he
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: has that conversation with Liz at the jingle Ball and
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  Speaker 1: I think he's There's just moments where he says nice
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  Speaker 1: things to these women and you're like, oh, like, I
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  Speaker 1: could understand why you would have this crush on him
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  Speaker 1: all these years later. I thought he was still very
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  Speaker 1: Tyler Heinsey in this movie. But is it a full
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  Speaker 1: swoon fest because he's not the star of the show.
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  Speaker 1: It isn't. It's not about Tyler and his co star
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  Speaker 1: and they're two competing stories. It's about Liz and Naomi
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  Speaker 1: with Tyler as a supporting character, right Frankly.
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  Speaker 2: So, don't you think the Heinies are pissed because they
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  Speaker 2: kind of got duped thinking this was going to be
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  Speaker 2: a Tyler Heines movie, and it was a bait.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: And switch situation. Do you think that the original script
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: had the two not ending up together at the end?
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: I wonder is there some hallmark boardroom conversation happening where
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: someone's like doesn't always have to be a love story.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: And then there's pushback for someone saying, but there are
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: people who expected.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: Where this thing is going to fall apart on me.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: So the backstory of this moment in the podcast is
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: my dog lost his mind, jumped all over Wendy. There
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: was a loud cracking sound from one of the chairs.
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: You hear it, You heard it? He did?
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: And I have an eighty pound puppy, y'all. He lost
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: his mind. He wasn't being he was just being a puppy. Yeah, totally.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: And I think I've broken the chair when he just
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: tipped the chair over to peek underneath it to see
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: if there was an obvious crack. You didn't break the chair.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: If it's broken, the dog did. God, the rug that
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: this table is on had to be rotated one hundred
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: and eighty degrees to the corner that he chewed on
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: in the back. Puppies, y'all. So anyway back to the conversation.
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  Speaker 1: I wonder if there's some behind the scenes pushback where
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: some people are saying there doesn't need to be a
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: love story, and other people are saying, yes, there does.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: This is not movies and mysteries. On movies and mysteries,
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: particularly in the mysteries, when we're gonna have a series,
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: we don't always have a love story. I'm not sure
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: we needed the love story. Again. I don't think they
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: needed to end up together, and I wonder if maybe
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: that was the initial intention. I wish we knew.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: I think they could have completely hired a different dude
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: in this movie.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: So I have been thinking about that a lot, because
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: a lot of the commentary about this movie is that
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: it was wasted on Tyler Hines. To me, any, Tyler
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Hine's appearance is a good Tyler Hines's appearance. I've never
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: seen him on screen and thought, man, I wish he
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: wasn't in this movie. I'm not saying he's never made
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: a bad movie. I'm saying I I don't think I've
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: ever seen him on screen and thought that another actor
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: would have been better in the role. I'm not suggesting
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: that I know what people are saying. If we're gonna
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: have a Tyler Hines Christmas movie. I want a Tyler
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: Hines Christmas movie. Yes, I get that, I do. I
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: wish we had that too. At the same time, if
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: you're gonna have a movie about the high school heart
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: throb that these women still are pining for seventeen years later,
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: who better to play that role than Tyler Hines?
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: Fair fair points.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: I see both sides. I understand. Yeah, yeah, I.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: See not one Tyler and Candy Cane moment, No toothpick, nothing, give.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: The people what they want.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: Seriously, when they're drinking the hot chocolate flight, he couldn't
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: put the peppermint stick in his mouth for half a second.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: That would have made the women. I'm not even gonna
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: say it. I don't even want to know where you
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: were going to go with the end of that sentence.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: I just yeah, I just there were some misses. There
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: were some misses for me. Sure, are you ready to
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: move on to did you see that?
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: I have?
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: But two?
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: Okay, let me hear I have won. The fireplace at
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: Naomi's house is so fake. I didn't even notice it.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: You only see it now. Man or rom are having
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: a conversation in the kitchen. It's later in the film.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: It's in the background, but it's very obviously a digital fireplace,
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: and I know those exist. Even my husband's like, WHOA,
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: that's fake fire Did your husband like this movie? No,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: I don't. The answer is I don't know. And the
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: reason I don't know is I had to watch both
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: of the movies that were reviewing this weekend twice because
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: I was not feeling well Friday and Saturday night, and
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: I was not present for the actual on the couch
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: yeah evening viewing, Got It, and I had to rewatch
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: it the.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: Next got You, Got You. One of the digit see
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: that I noticed in this movie is when they went
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: to go meet Chris and the other classmates at the bar.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: They walk in, Chris is getting two pictures of beer
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: from the bar keep or whatever. They go back down
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: to the table. It's all good. They have their big
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: scene here, everybody decides it's time to go home. There
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: are two pictures of beer still sitting on the table.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: They didn't even touch it.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: There were so much booze in this movie though, Yeah,
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: did you know he was drinking a beer at one time,
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: like out of a bottle At the party, they.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Talk about shots. Yes, they were drinking wine. Even when
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Carly says, oh, we're gonna play never have I ever
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Christmas Cookie Edition and he's like, mm hm, this sounds terrible.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: Look Tyler gonna say a lot with very little. I agree.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: He still makes me swoon. He's still the best of
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: the best. What was your other Did you see that
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: any Christmas trees? Does Naomi Small pack?
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, My daughter and I were watching this
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: and she's like, uh, there's one, two, three, four or
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: five in this.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: Scene in her front yard, there's many, many, many. Inside
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: the home, there's so many. And she's never home for Christmas.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: She's been in Hawaii the past seven years. Oh, I
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: totally miss that. They usually Naomi and Liz usually take
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: her to Hawaii every year.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, And why is she trying to pack up
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: her home during Christmas time?
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: Cause she's gonna sell it and move to Palo Alto.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: I know, but you have all this Christmas decor out,
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: like you're packing up your cookbooks and stuff too, Like
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: it's just too much.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: There's even a scene where she's like, you told me
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: I was gonna need my pops, Like she was gonna
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: pack those two as if that's not the last thing
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: you pack, go pack those books that are getting dusty
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: in the library. You never use bake trees an that's all. Yeah,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: why'd you rate this movie? I gave it four stars. Wow,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: told you the takes are gonna be spicy. This week.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: I gave it three. It was good movie. I just
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: again like, I just feel.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: Like we're getting these movies that are not meant to
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: be set at Christmas time?
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: Are you yelling at your phone right now during this
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: podcast recording? If you have things to say about this movie,
• 24:15
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• 24:16
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• 24:18
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• 24:20
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• 24:25
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• 24:29
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• 24:33
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