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Tony Khan, We Have A Problem! | The Still Real to Us Show | Episode #765 – 10/10/24 · Real. Guy. Pods.

• 0:00
  Speaker 1: It's still Welcome everybody.
• 0:18
  Speaker 2: Welcome to this week's edition It's Still Real does Show
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  Speaker 2: episode number seven and sixty five for October tenth, twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty four. This year, w W Bad Blood Recap in a W.
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  Speaker 2: Russell Green Preview and predictions edition of ass R Team You,
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  Speaker 2: I am one half of the show. I am Jeff Peck,
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  Speaker 2: joined every single week my host one only, doctor Trey Franklin.
• 0:42
  Speaker 2: Doctor Trey. Did we see a Match of the Year
• 0:45
  Speaker 2: candidate this past weekend? My friend?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I mean that niat Jack's Bailey match was pretty smoking,
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  Speaker 3: So I mean it's it's gotta be up.
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  Speaker 2: There, jeffs I was talking about Rhea and Live, but
• 0:56
  Speaker 2: I guess I will digress from that. Welcome one and
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  Speaker 2: all to this week's edition of SRTU. I am Jeff Peck,
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  Speaker 2: Doctor Trey. Over there, Bad Blood Recap and review. We'll
• 1:08
  Speaker 2: talk a little bit about some of the business model
• 1:11
  Speaker 2: that WWE has been doing as of late during pl weekends.
• 1:15
  Speaker 2: AW has a major problem on its hand, and it
• 1:18
  Speaker 2: comes all from a former rival of theirs. Now and
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  Speaker 2: of course, we will preview and predict a W. Russell
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  Speaker 2: Dream taking place this Saturday from Tacoma, Washington, Doctor Trey.
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  Speaker 2: Let's start with Bad Blood. It was this past Saturday
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  Speaker 2: from the State Farm Marine and Atlanta, Georgia. Before we
• 1:34
  Speaker 2: begin with each match here, this felt like a bigger
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  Speaker 2: than normal pay per view.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, this is I guess because there a
• 1:43
  Speaker 3: b pay per view, but I mean you look at
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  Speaker 3: the I'm gonna say the co main events. That's some
• 1:51
  Speaker 3: SummerSlam quality matches right there. So yeah, it felt bigger.
• 1:56
  Speaker 3: They hyped it up bigger. I mean a lot of
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  Speaker 3: the stuff about the history of Blood coming into play,
• 2:02
  Speaker 3: like they did a really good job of making this
• 2:04
  Speaker 3: feel like much, you know, way more than a Great
• 2:08
  Speaker 3: Balls of Fire Part two.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this they had legends there, They had segments with
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  Speaker 2: the legends as well. Is that something WWE needs to
• 2:17
  Speaker 2: do more often during these pls. I don't think we
• 2:20
  Speaker 2: have a main roster PLD now until Survivor series, But
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  Speaker 2: is this something that we need to see in between
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  Speaker 2: the Big four or five that we does.
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  Speaker 1: We do have Crown Jewel November Sex.
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  Speaker 2: You're right, absolutely forgot about that.
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  Speaker 1: One, so we do have that one.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, I read some stuff from DDP, who
• 2:39
  Speaker 3: was featured at Bad Blood and he said that he's
• 2:44
  Speaker 3: excited because the current regime is kind of playing into
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  Speaker 3: legend stuff. They're they like he said, they were backstage
• 2:52
  Speaker 3: people were giving them respect and you know, treating them
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  Speaker 3: with dignity in class, which wasn't always the case in
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  Speaker 3: years past. You know, I'm a big proponent of it
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  Speaker 3: because as I get older and as you get older,
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  Speaker 3: like these are some of the people that we grew
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  Speaker 3: up watching, but they're also the ones who paved the
• 3:11
  Speaker 3: way for this current generation. Like we have a fondness
• 3:15
  Speaker 3: for Attitude Era. I have a fondness for like mid eighties,
• 3:20
  Speaker 3: late eighties wrestling, and that's kind of who you see featured.
• 3:24
  Speaker 1: And you know, a lot of our heroes have passed on.
• 3:26
  Speaker 3: So when I get to see it Arn Anderson and
• 3:28
  Speaker 3: a totally Blanchard, and I hear Corey Graves gush about
• 3:31
  Speaker 3: the Brainbusters, you know, it makes my heart feel good
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  Speaker 3: when you see a DDP, when you see XPOT, when
• 3:36
  Speaker 3: you see those guys out there, you're like, man, like,
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  Speaker 3: some of that stuff is just fantastic.
• 3:41
  Speaker 1: And you look at a guy like DDP, who was not.
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  Speaker 3: Treated very well during his time in WWE, but was
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  Speaker 3: fantastic in WCW. See him get that respect from you know,
• 3:52
  Speaker 3: the Triple H regime, it just it it's really good
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  Speaker 3: for you know, the diehard wrestling fan in me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I read the same comments from DDP.
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  Speaker 2: It was I think he put it out there on
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  Speaker 2: a tweet. I've never known WWE, even in the previous
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  Speaker 2: regime led by Vince to being like jerks to the legends.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe it was specific legends, maybe guys that came from
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  Speaker 2: WW that was a little bit different, which DDP alludes
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  Speaker 2: to in his comment. So I was surprised to see
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  Speaker 2: those comments overall. But it does feel like in a
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  Speaker 2: lot of different levels that Triple H and the current
• 4:31
  Speaker 2: regime are doing everything they can to write every single
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  Speaker 2: wrong that the previous administration had, to make it more
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  Speaker 2: of a welcoming company both inside and outside, internally and externally.
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  Speaker 2: And it's another element as to why it feels like
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  Speaker 2: which we'll talk about later on the show. We is
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  Speaker 2: really stretching the gap between them and AW and the
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  Speaker 2: United States right now.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean.
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  Speaker 3: In ring and this is the year and I have
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  Speaker 3: talked about many, many times over the last five years,
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  Speaker 3: and ringwise, AW probably beats WWE a lot of the time,
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  Speaker 3: but it's all the ancillary or you know, ancillary stuff
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  Speaker 3: around it that is what is causing this this chasm
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  Speaker 3: between WWE and AW I mean, you go back three years,
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  Speaker 3: it was getting close. You know, the gap was pretty narrow,
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  Speaker 3: and it just feels like, you know, ever since Triple
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  Speaker 3: Ah took over, like thet it's been all gas, no
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  Speaker 3: break for WWE, and they're just stretching this stuff out,
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  Speaker 3: and you know it's like AEW sometimes can't get out
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  Speaker 3: of their own way. So it's just you know, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: aaw' has always been has been good to their legends.
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  Speaker 3: You know, when Stein comes in and Flair came in,
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  Speaker 3: a lot of those guys came in too.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, the hell they've had Brett Hart.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, they've had DDP, Like they've had like a
• 5:54
  Speaker 3: lot of these guys. And for some reason though, it's
• 5:58
  Speaker 3: just everybody kind of matriculates back to WWE and now
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  Speaker 3: they're being treated on a different level, I guess, or
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  Speaker 3: just made to feel more welcome and more home.
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  Speaker 1: And a lot of that probably is because of Triple Agent.
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  Speaker 3: The fact that you know, he grew up a fan
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  Speaker 3: of wrestling, got into wrestling looked up to a lot
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  Speaker 3: of these guys, or worked with a lot of these guys.
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  Speaker 3: Why wouldn't you treat your peers and your heroes with respect,
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  Speaker 3: where maybe the previous administration just looked at them as
• 6:27
  Speaker 3: kind of employees. You know, there's a different context, you
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  Speaker 3: know to it now as opposed to years past.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never understood some of that stuff, where like
• 6:38
  Speaker 2: the previous regime would would kind of ghost legends or
• 6:42
  Speaker 2: be upset if a legend appeared in TNA or AW
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  Speaker 2: depending on the year of activity. It just seemed very
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  Speaker 2: strange to me. So that was a huge point coming
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  Speaker 2: out of Bad Blood. Like the overall vibe of the
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  Speaker 2: show top to bottom was like this, this is a
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  Speaker 2: big deal, ple and I did not get any of
• 7:00
  Speaker 2: that vibe going into it. I was like, this is
• 7:02
  Speaker 2: feeling like in the same equivalency as a SummerSlam or
• 7:05
  Speaker 2: Royal Rumble survivor series of WrestleMania. Probably not to the
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  Speaker 2: degree of a WrestleMania or a SummerSlam per se, but
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  Speaker 2: it was a lot of hype around it, and I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: this could be something that they do all the time.
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  Speaker 2: It does not need to be just you know one
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  Speaker 2: show once in a while, because maybe they're trying to
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  Speaker 2: impress the city of Atlanta to run another WrestleMania there,
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  Speaker 2: which Cody alluded to towards the end of the night
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  Speaker 2: once in I think the dark segment as the show closed. So,
• 7:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, Atlanta does have a lot of great wrestling history.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe that has a lot to do with it. WCW
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  Speaker 2: that was their home for the longest time. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I thought it was just very very interesting. I'm like, man,
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  Speaker 2: they are really putting a lot of care and time
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  Speaker 2: into a show that well, there were some great builds.
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  Speaker 2: I just never looked at it as like this is
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  Speaker 2: a big deal ple for we, So let's get into
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  Speaker 2: it here, doctor Trey. They kicked off the show with
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  Speaker 2: c I'm Punk defeating Drew McIntyre and Hell in a
• 8:00
  Speaker 2: cell match. You and I both had see them punk
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  Speaker 2: in this one heck of a finale for a really
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  Speaker 2: great feud. This match out at all. It had violent
• 8:08
  Speaker 2: storytelling and emotion. Amazing job by both men over the
• 8:11
  Speaker 2: last ten months, and with the three matches that took
• 8:14
  Speaker 2: place during this feud, each match got better and I
• 8:17
  Speaker 2: am sad to see this feud conclude because it was
• 8:19
  Speaker 2: so damn good. I felt like Punkin McIntyre should have
• 8:22
  Speaker 2: taken about the end of this one for the feud.
• 8:24
  Speaker 2: But they put together this past year. Keep in mind
• 8:27
  Speaker 2: ten months feuding, like seven of them were spent with
• 8:31
  Speaker 2: one or both of them on the shelf, and then
• 8:34
  Speaker 2: three matches since SummerSlam. Tremendous, tremendous job by both men here,
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  Speaker 2: doctor for the last ten months of entertainment and a
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  Speaker 2: great feud. Your thoughts on the Hell in a Cell match?
• 8:45
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'll first of all, go with the feud.
• 8:47
  Speaker 3: The feud itself was fantastic. I mean it's you know,
• 8:50
  Speaker 3: to me, there's two feuds of the year as we
• 8:53
  Speaker 3: get towards the end of the year, and this one's
• 8:55
  Speaker 3: right there with you know, hang Man and Swerve, and
• 8:59
  Speaker 3: in this one probably maybe has slightly ahead of it,
• 9:02
  Speaker 3: you know, just kind of in the tail end of
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  Speaker 3: twenty twenty four. But like this match, to me, this
• 9:09
  Speaker 3: is like the old school Helena Cel kind of matchups
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  Speaker 3: like we've gotten I don't know, I don't know if
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  Speaker 3: Helena Cell has gotten soft over the years, but you know,
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  Speaker 3: you go back to this stuff with like Seth and
• 9:19
  Speaker 3: the fiend and maybe Randy Orton and Jeff Hardy and
• 9:22
  Speaker 3: I mean they've been okay, but I mean this was
• 9:25
  Speaker 3: like violence on the level of like you know, Undertaker
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  Speaker 3: mankind Undertaker and Edge, like the Shawn Michaels Triple h ones,
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  Speaker 3: like this is up there with those. It's like, man,
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  Speaker 3: I I this was just an incredible match, some good storytelling,
• 9:41
  Speaker 3: but the violence, the brutality, I mean, stuff like that.
• 9:45
  Speaker 3: That's that's the stuff that we that we've missed in
• 9:48
  Speaker 3: pro wrestling, especially when it makes sense. This isn't you know,
• 9:52
  Speaker 3: Cody running into a wall at aw for no reason.
• 9:54
  Speaker 3: It's put his head opened like this. The violence in
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  Speaker 3: this made sense, and that that's what always made you know, guys,
• 10:02
  Speaker 3: I guess love the azwd Errs goes Hey, it's super
• 10:05
  Speaker 3: violent and it makes sense.
• 10:06
  Speaker 1: And these two guys.
• 10:07
  Speaker 3: Blurred that line of you know, work and shoot into
• 10:11
  Speaker 3: like do they really hate each other as much?
• 10:13
  Speaker 1: Because you got to really trust.
• 10:14
  Speaker 3: The other guy you're working with to go to that
• 10:17
  Speaker 3: level of violence, and if you hate some but it's
• 10:19
  Speaker 3: kind of hard to trust them. So just a phenomenal
• 10:22
  Speaker 3: job by these two guys showing them why they're two
• 10:24
  Speaker 3: of the best performers in wrestling today.
• 10:27
  Speaker 2: I feel like we talked about it one time on
• 10:29
  Speaker 2: the podcast that like did Hell and Hassel jump the
• 10:32
  Speaker 2: Shark because it felt like they you know, they do
• 10:35
  Speaker 2: it once a year basically at this point, and you know,
• 10:39
  Speaker 2: you've seen it all. And I felt like, similar to
• 10:43
  Speaker 2: you that with this match. While there obviously obviously are
• 10:47
  Speaker 2: spots that we've seen before, it just had a different
• 10:50
  Speaker 2: feel and vibe around it. And I don't know if
• 10:52
  Speaker 2: that was the build I certainly played a major part
• 10:54
  Speaker 2: in it. The match itself, like it just had a
• 10:58
  Speaker 2: different feel to all in a cell match that we
• 11:01
  Speaker 2: as fans have not connected with in some time.
• 11:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean with this whole thing was you know created.
• 11:08
  Speaker 3: It was supposed to be like the ultimate way to
• 11:12
  Speaker 3: end a rivalry, like there was no escape, Like this
• 11:14
  Speaker 3: is just brutality for brutality, and you know, you go
• 11:17
  Speaker 3: back to you know, even Shawn Michaels undertaking some these
• 11:20
  Speaker 3: other ones that through the years, like they were like
• 11:24
  Speaker 3: big blowoffs to feuds and then over the last few years.
• 11:28
  Speaker 3: I mean to me, it was right around the time
• 11:30
  Speaker 3: that they actually made the Payer review about it.
• 11:32
  Speaker 1: But the Red, the Red Helena Cell.
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  Speaker 2: That was bad.
• 11:35
  Speaker 1: Cemented me for it.
• 11:37
  Speaker 2: I mean they were chanting aed up at the end
• 11:39
  Speaker 2: of that one.
• 11:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it was just like, dear God, it
• 11:42
  Speaker 3: was just so bad. But and it did kind of
• 11:45
  Speaker 3: jump the shark, so to speak, especially because they weren't
• 11:48
  Speaker 3: really using it any other so I think they only
• 11:51
  Speaker 3: used it one other time. I think they use it
• 11:53
  Speaker 3: at a WrestleMania was that Shane and Undertaker WrestleMania was
• 11:58
  Speaker 3: that Helena Cell that.
• 11:59
  Speaker 2: Was And they have used it in the past WrestleMania
• 12:01
  Speaker 2: as well for often forgotten match.
• 12:03
  Speaker 3: You know, but it's it's one of those things where
• 12:05
  Speaker 3: it's like, you know, for years, it was you know,
• 12:08
  Speaker 3: in the early days of it, it was we have
• 12:10
  Speaker 3: to settle this feud. It is a blood feud. We
• 12:13
  Speaker 3: need to settle this and move on. And that was
• 12:16
  Speaker 3: the way you did it. And you know, over the
• 12:18
  Speaker 3: years it's like, oh, we'll just do it at you know.
• 12:21
  Speaker 1: At Helena Cel.
• 12:22
  Speaker 3: We'll just have a pay per view and it's two
• 12:23
  Speaker 3: or three Helena Seale matches and you know, but then
• 12:25
  Speaker 3: we hardly ever see it anymore. It's like, man, it's
• 12:28
  Speaker 3: better like this where it's kind of sprinkled in to
• 12:32
  Speaker 3: kind of settle a rivalry as opposed to just having
• 12:35
  Speaker 3: it as you know, a pay per view gimmick, much
• 12:38
  Speaker 3: like the way TLC was done over the years.
• 12:40
  Speaker 2: Two questions free. I think the first one's really easy.
• 12:43
  Speaker 2: Not too sure where you're going to land on this one,
• 12:45
  Speaker 2: because it also may be tipping your hand. I'm certainly
• 12:47
  Speaker 2: tipping my hand. First question, is Doctor Trey end a year.
• 12:51
  Speaker 2: It's about eight weeks away here we'll have our award
• 12:55
  Speaker 2: show spectacularly closed out twenty twenty four, which is mind
• 12:58
  Speaker 2: blowing to say out loud. When we discuss feud of
• 13:02
  Speaker 2: the Year? Is this punk drumactar feud? And I laugh
• 13:07
  Speaker 2: when I say this because I think it's an easy question.
• 13:09
  Speaker 2: Is it a major candidate in that category?
• 13:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was saying earlier to me, there's two feuds
• 13:15
  Speaker 3: of the year. This is one of them, and then
• 13:17
  Speaker 3: Swerve and Hangman is the other one. So it's one
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  Speaker 3: of the top two.
• 13:21
  Speaker 2: And then I don't know about this one. You're ready
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  Speaker 2: Match of the Year candidate? Does this match fall into
• 13:26
  Speaker 2: a match that we discussed at the end of the
• 13:28
  Speaker 2: year when it comes to Match of the year.
• 13:30
  Speaker 3: I think it will just because like there's I don't
• 13:36
  Speaker 3: I don't know if you can say that there is
• 13:38
  Speaker 3: some memorable moments in this match as far as like
• 13:42
  Speaker 3: I can't believe I just saw that. Maybe the Toolbox headshots,
• 13:47
  Speaker 3: you know, is one of them. But like as I
• 13:48
  Speaker 3: sit here five days posted, I can't remember other than
• 13:53
  Speaker 3: the finish and the Toolbox shots, Like I'm like, oh
• 13:56
  Speaker 3: my god, I can't believe I saw that. But I
• 13:58
  Speaker 3: remember the feeling I get, and I remember the brutality of.
• 14:01
  Speaker 1: It, so that puts it.
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  Speaker 3: You know, It's in my conversation for Match of the Year.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if it is the match of the
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  Speaker 3: year yet, but it's in the conversation at least.
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  Speaker 2: And then bonus questionaire because it's the one that just
• 14:14
  Speaker 2: came into my hat. Compare this second chapter of cmpunk
• 14:19
  Speaker 2: the return professional wrestling that started in aw How does
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: this feud in match with Drew McIntyre. Matches with Drew
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  Speaker 2: McIntyre compare to the stuff that he did in All
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: wrestling previously coming back to.
• 14:30
  Speaker 3: WWA, this feud is the best thing he's done since
• 14:35
  Speaker 3: he's returned to wrestling. This match is probably up there
• 14:40
  Speaker 3: with the MJF Dog color match, but the run itself.
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is.
• 14:47
  Speaker 3: If you want CM Punk and you want the good Cmpunk,
• 14:51
  Speaker 3: this is the rivalry to kind of showcase it because
• 14:54
  Speaker 3: it had you know, some I mean.
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: He's not the wrestler he was ten years ago. I
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: think we can all agree with that.
• 15:01
  Speaker 3: He's still pretty good, but a lot of that match
• 15:05
  Speaker 3: that we saw was kind of like, oh, it's the
• 15:07
  Speaker 3: you know, it's the best hits of CM Punk in
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: this match. Hits the knee in the corner of the
• 15:11
  Speaker 3: running bulldog, it's the little neck breaker he does. It's
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: kind of those things. He's not the technical. We saw
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: the Anacon device. There you go, there's another one. I remember,
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: he's not the technical wrestler he was ten years ago
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: when he left WW eleven years ago.
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: Ever long it's been.
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: Uh, he's still pretty good, but this is if you're
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: signing CM Punk. This is what you would show to
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: people and say, hey, we're signing this guy. And I
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: don't think AW ever really capitalized on it.
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: And in part of it was Punk's fault.
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: Maybe Punk was trying to do too much and that's
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: why he kept getting hurt in AW which would then
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: short change some of those rivalries. But you know, really,
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: this is the best rivalry we've had in wrestling that
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: this in Swerving and Hayman in quite some time, because
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: it's gone on so long and it feels so personal.
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: But this is the best we've seen of Seam Punkin
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: in a decade.
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: I would say, ever since Brawl Out with Punk there
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: has been some doubt in regards to his innring ability,
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: his longevity. Does he still have it? And he found
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: it again during these last three matches with Drew McIntyre.
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: I thought this was like, Okay, there is that old
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: sampunk still in there. What's really cool about the entire
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: thing is when he came back to we eleven months
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: ago now, the immediate thought from everyone was, all right,
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: we're going to get the punk Rollin stuff. It was
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: everything that you thought. It was everything that you read,
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: It was everything that you thought what we were going
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: to see once you were watching television, and certainly feels
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: that way from what we saw on RAW this past
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: Monday night, that that is the direction now coming out
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: of this as well. Even though there were some rumblings
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: of punkin Gunther coming up here as well. To me,
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: this was never on my radar a feud with Dream McIntyre.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: I was like, this is never on my radar and
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: became so organic, and it became so much fun, and
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: it became so much entertaining, and you really felt like
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: these two guys legitimately hate each other and it's possibly
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: true who knows with professional wrestling. Then I was like, man,
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: this is tough that we just don't get to see
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: and feel and experience anymore. So organic, so much fun,
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: so much entertainment. Major major props to both guys, and
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: I hope this leads to bigger and brighter things for them.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: Here to close up twenty twenty four and WWII and
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: also head into the restu Mainting forty one season in
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: the early part of twenty twenty five. Let's get to
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: the next match here. Doctor Trey Nijacks defeats Bailey to
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: retain the WA Women's Championship. We both at Nia Jackson
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: this one. I thought this Ni Bailey match was much
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: better than their SmackDown match excuse me, SummerSlam match again.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: My only concern is where does Bailey go from here?
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: I feel like she maybe do for a breakof of
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: TV for a bit to refresh your character or maybe
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: give her one of those refresh runts and antics. Now
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: that they are on the CW network and you've got
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: some really good talent in the women's division down there,
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: the slow build and character development of Tiffany Stratton as
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: of laid has been really good. However, I think I
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: like the NXT version of Tiffany over this current SmackDown
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: version of Tiffy time. I like the leader uh slash,
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: don't give a crap about other people Tiffany on NXT
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: and not the SmackDown version where she's she's afraid of
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: Nia Jackson takes a back seat. It's obviously leading to
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: something big as wc's something in Trapp which makes a
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: lot of sense, Doctor Trey your thoughts and this one
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: is Nijack's retains.
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, much better than their summer slam match. Uh Naya
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: did a hur knrona jeff Or tried like like, I'm
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: kind of blown away by that.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: Like that it was one of the craziest things. I like.
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: I give her credit for trying, because how didn't know
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: that she I thought she was kind of I thought
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: she had live with a Domino.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: Where she was kind of afraid of heights.
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: But the hell she pulled that, she tried to pull
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: it off, so I give her credit for it. Yeah,
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: Like this match was fine, Like, but you're right, Like,
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: what do you do with Bailey?
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: Now?
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: Who's the next person to challenge Naya? Because SmackDown kind
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: of has a gap in talent. It's similar to the
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: stuff with Cody Rose that we've talked about in the past,
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: Like who's the next person to step up here? Because
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: you've kind of ran through the two top baby faces
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: you had in Naomi and Bailey here maybe as as
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: an Osca return, but she's might she's on raw, Like
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: I just I'm unsure unless you turn Tiffany baby face
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: and I'm with you, like, I like, excuse me, I
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: like the arrogant cocky I run the show to Tiffany
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: better than this one.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: But once again, Nya jacks is huge.
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: Who wouldn't be afraid of getting, you know, cornered by
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: Nia Jackson getting splashed? Like I'd be a little leery
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: of that as well, So I get the character.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: I do just like the NXT version a little bit
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: better as well.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's you bring up a great point, like where
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: does ni go from here? Because I feel like, if
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: you're going to execute the Tiffany strat and stuff, you're
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: doing it now. Obviously there's a little bit of a
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: buffer here for Nia Jacks because she is going into
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: a match with Live Morgan at Crown Jewel for the
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: Crown Jewel Champ Chip, which we'll talk about here in
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: just a few moments as well, So there is a
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: little bit of a gap that can kind of continue
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: to space out, maybe the slow burn of Tiffany Stratton
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: becoming a babyface. But if you're not gonna put Naomi
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: in that role, Bailey has been that role way too much.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: Bianca and Jade are with the tag team division right now.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: It's it felt like to me with the whole Queen
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: of the Ring stuff with Nia Jax, that this is
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: gonna be leading to the return of Charlotte Flair. But
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: it seems like she that is more of a twenty
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: twenty five thing than late twenty twenty four because of
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: her injury. It was so extensive and it's gonna take
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: a lot of time for her still, but it's it's
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: definitely a problem on the SmackDown brand. It's I guess
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: the good thing here is They've given themselves some creative
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: to build and buffer a little bit, but I don't
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: know how that's gonna work out fully yet because liv
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: is still really really feuding with Ryad Ripley, while Nia
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: Jacks is to be determined as SmackDown airs tomorrow night
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: on the Say Network. Next match here is Damien Priest
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: defeating Finn Baller. I had Damien, Doctor Trey and Finn.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: I was really happy to see singles wrestler Finn Baller
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: on a pl in a big match. I feel like
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: he has been a little underutilized from an in ring
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: standpoint over the last several months. My biggest takeaway in
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: this one is Finn hit his coup de gras finisher
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: multiple times, could not put Damian Priest away during any
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: of it, and then Damien hits one South of Heaven
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: finisher for the victory on Finn, which seemed strange. I
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: wonder where there's a feud goes from here heading into
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: war Games, Doctor Trey. Your thoughts on this one is
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Damien Priest defeats Finn Balor No.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: I really I enjoyed this match.
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: I mean it was a solid It's not really a
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: filler match because they had storyline wise, but you know,
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: when you look at you know, you got the shark
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: cage match, you got the hell in the Cell match,
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: you got the big tag match.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: This was just a straight up singles match.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: So it was really good, really kept me on into
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: my sche because I didn't where it's going that that finished,
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: though within you brought three to Couti graz I will
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: say it's one coupdi gras and then two double stumps
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: to the back, so maybe technically not three coudi gras.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: I guess that's where they're going with it. But then
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: one south of Heaven. I mean typically, I mean, unless
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: you're one of the top heels in the company, whether
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: you know your Roman or when he was a heel,
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: or your Gunther, you know, it takes to multiple finishers
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: to put you away when you're kind of the upper
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: mid card heel like finn Is. I guess one big
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: giant choke slam from a guy who's almost a foot
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: taller than you, you know, might make sense. But I
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: didn't hate the finish. I just, you know, kind of
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: wanted a little bit more out of it. I just
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: hate when the one good guy takes out four villain
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: or three villains to get the win. Uh, that kind
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: of bothers me, just because like typically three on one
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: you're gonna get your ass kicked, but overall not a
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: bad match. Just I'm just curious to see where this goes,
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: because I think they kind of said afterwards that this right,
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: like the tear twins are breaking up there in their
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: separate ways. So then what do you do with Finn?
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: What do you do with Damien? And where do they go?
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: So interestly, how this how they play these characters out,
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: because I thought this would be multiple matches between these
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: guys and looks like it might just be one and done.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: There is ever an opportunity to like move someone to
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: another brand, I think, you know, if they were going
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: to do a trade, I feel like Damien Priest is
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: a candidate to be moved to SmackDown and be moved
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: up the chain a little bit more. But maybe that's
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: a discussion for another day, because yeah, it's like, what
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: do you do with Damien? What do you do from
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: Finn going forward? If this is the end of the
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: few that we've seen build out slowly over like the
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: last five months. In between here and we'll talk about
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: it triple h and now it's World Champion versus World
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: Champion matches for both the men and women at Crown Jewel.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: The winner will be crowned the w W Crown Jewel Champion.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: And then also Bill Goldberg, who has been in the
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: news for some time like pooh poohing w because they
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: never gave him the retirement match that they allegedly promise him,
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: which I can understand why he felt that way, and
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: he was in discussions with AW At some point there
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: was a rumor that he would be going on a
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: tour like a farewell tour on his own at some
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: point that didn't come to fruition. He appears to be
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: back in the w fole talking about legends who were
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: treated great or better than the last regime, and he
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: has an interaction with the World have aweight champion. That's sure.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: Your thoughts on the announcement for the Crown Jeworld Champion
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: and then Goldberg and Gunther's interaction.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: First of all, did you like the title the way
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: it looked.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: It's a little too much for me, but it makes
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: sense for them trying to impress Saudi Arabia, if that
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: makes sense.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: It reminds me of the old AWA title, which is
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: kind of a more squared look like this one is,
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: but just it's just bigger. It's a little gaudy, I guess,
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: but we know the Saudi Arabian officials like gaudiness at times,
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: so it's okay. I just don't know. I don't understand
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: this whole thing. It's like, we're gonna champion for the champion.
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: The winner gets this title, do they carry that title
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: around because by the time this show comes around next year,
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: for ground Joel Odds are nobody in this match is
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: going to be the world champion, So do they just
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: quietly take it away? I mean, is this like when
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: Braun Strowman won the Greatest Battle or the Greatest Role
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: Rumble ever and he got a trophy and then we
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: never saw the trophy again.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know how this works.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: So once again, wrestling fan, I need some logic to
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: come to play here. But I mean, it's I'm glad
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: to see that we're getting champion versus champion and we're
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: not getting unified champions out of this at least, so
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: I'm okay with that.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: And then seeing.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: Goldberback like I'm cool with it. I like the interaction.
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: I don't know about you know, but you know, since
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: Gage plays for Colorado's football team, I kind of want
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: to see Dion Sanders.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: Showup at WWE. Now, I don't know.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: I just want to see Primetime out there with Art
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: Truth doing some stuff.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: I think that would be kind of fun. But I
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: just don't know.
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: Like the retirement match, like, who, there's nobody left on
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: this roster that I can go that's the guy he
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: needs to wrestle, maybe other than John Cena during je
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: seen as retirement tour.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I think Gun through Goldberg could
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: be a match that maybe takes place at Survivor Series.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: I could see that. I don't think they're doing that
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: for no reason at all. I think WWE wants to
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: make it up to Goldberg and that is a title
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: or the history of that title that Goldberg helped make famous.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: I think the problem with that would be, like, oh God,
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: if Goldberg becomes the world Champion, we are in deep,
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: deep trouble. The other thing here too, Doctor Trey is
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: the crown jewel stuff. This has everything to do with
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: in pressing Saudi Arabia again to me that the title
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: the world Champion versus World Champion match. It seems like
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: this is something that they want to give special to
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Saudi Arabian Showcase, Like, hey, you know, this is a
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: big deal, big partnership to us, and this matches everything
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: that we believe in when it comes to the glitz
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: and glamor that comes with Saudi Arabia. So that appears
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: to me to be very Saudi Arabian based. It's it's
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: it's an exciting thing to see. We'll see it play out.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: World Champion versus World Champion matches are pretty cool. I
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: liked it to doing it for both both brands, and
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: we've seen this in the past, like fifteen years ago
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: when they did like the brand matches. Remember the ECW
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: versus World Ofweight Champion wee Champion match. I think with
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: big show Booker t and John Cena, I like that
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: back then. We'll see how the build goes from here.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: So Cody T's that at the end of Raw. We'll
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: have to see how the women handle that going forward,
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: because again Live Morgan is fully involved with everything that
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: is going on between her and Rhea Ripley. Speaking of
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: Live Morgan, doctor Trey Reed Ripley defeats Live Morgan via disqualification.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Live Morgan remains the WE Women's World Champion due to
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: the DQ. You and I both had rie in this one.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: Some takeaways on this match. Roquel Rodriguez making this say
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: for Dominic Masterian and Live Morgan was a nice call creatively,
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: and I like the assumed edition of rock Kel Rodriguez
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: to the a judgment day. Maybe Roquel helping Live tips
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: off who is getting the women's Wargames match at Survivors Series. Hmm,
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: something to think about. I wish this match God a
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: little bit more time, as it felt like it was
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: just building up to something good. A dom stunt falling
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: headfirst out of the shark cage only to be caught
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: by the chain Legit got me nervous, like almost like
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: profusely sweat there for a second because I have a
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: semi fear of heights. It looks like people trash this match,
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: but Rhea and Live continue to have a really good,
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: strong feud. I didn't think it was as bad as
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: the online said. Now, Trey, your thoughts on this one.
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: I thought the match was really good until the end,
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: Like I thought from opening all.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: The way through it was really good. Once Dom came
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: out of.
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: The cage and I'm with you, Like when he fell out,
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: he's hanging upside down to the chain. I'm like, first
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: of all, like props to him for being upside I
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: can't even hang upside down off my bed before I
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: start getting.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: Lightheaded and dizzy.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: And here's Dom like up there for a good five
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: eight minutes upside down. I know he was pulling himself
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: up to kind of alleviate the pressure at times, but
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: that is not an easy thing to do. As soon
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: as they did, the ref spot with Rhea telling him, uh,
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: I got some unfinished business to do. I didn't like
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: that because the ref stopped the refting count and I'm like, no, like,
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: you still do the count.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: Did you hear what the ref said?
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah? He said go ahead.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was like you've earned that one.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh come on.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: Not with the camera on though, Like, come on, at
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: least give me a reason why you're not counting. I mean,
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: like that's you're no longer unbiased at that point, So
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: that kind of threw me.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Raquel kind of messed up the finish.
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: I think she was actually because when she came out,
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: the ref was looking right at it because you saw
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: the ref as so she came out go oh crap,
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: and he tried to look away like I didn't see
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: her do this, but.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: He legitimately mouthed, oh crap.
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: You could see, like because I've seen it in actual
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: rep like in like over stuff, when you accidentally catch
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: the bad guy doing something cheating, like you see him
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: walking back towards the ring and then as soon as
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: she jumps out, he turns back towards the crowd for
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: no apparent reason. So I think the finish was actually
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: supposed to be Live getting the pin.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: That's what they're saying. Yes, that was supposed to be
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: the finish.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I was seeing from you know, my
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: semi expertise eye. But you can see the ref go
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: oh crap. I wasn't supposed to see her, and because
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: she literally like bounced into him, you know, and then
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: he just had to throw the DQ in there. But
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: the finish kind of messed it all up because you
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: can see like she did the big the big Tejanobaum
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: put Live on top, and then you see her just
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: go crap, the ref's not here, Like you can see
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: it in her face that she kind of messed it
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: up as well. But I'm excited to see where it
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: goes because I like Raquel as a villain, and I
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: liked it back when she had to code Kai with
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: her kind of was the mouthpiece. If you put her
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: with Live Lives the mouthpiece you put it with Judgment Day,
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: that seems like a better angle than the eck. It
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: could be another love interest for Dom at some point,
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: if you want to make a baby face out of this.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: So it does add.
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: A little bit more to it, plus to give somebody
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: for Rhea to fight that measures up physically, because I mean,
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: I don't know about you, Jeff, Watching Rhian live fight is great,
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: but when you're watching somebody who's just that much bigger
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: than the other person, you kind of really really have
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: to suspend your disbelief at times. But Live plays a
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: heel really well. But like I said, I like this
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: match all the way up until that whole referee stuff.
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: Once the referee stuff happened, it kind of turned into
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: a little bit of a train wreck.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I actually thought watching from home that at no
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: point I was like, oh God, they screwed up the finish. Obviously,
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: the reports afterwards you read like that wasn't supposed to
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: be to finish, I thought wwe did a good job
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: of covering that up. And one of the things I've
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: been saying throughout this entire Rehea Live More coanfued is
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: to your point where it's like you get us suspend
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: this belief a little bit between the height and all
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: that stuff in the size, I think they have done
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: a very good job, as has Rihea Ripley and her
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: role to that Live Morgan is just as much as
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: a badass as she is on the same level. While
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: visually it looks different, and I appreciate that the attention
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: to the detail that's going on there. Again, I didn't
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: dislike this match. I think, knowing what I know now,
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: if we recorded the show on Saturday night early Sunday morning,
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: it's like, let's recap this match, I would have said.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: I felt like they cut time out of this one
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: because of the match that would take place next. I
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: was like, this is the match that got the acts.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: Maybe Helen USL ran a little bit too long, but
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: coming out where Raquel and the finish was kind of,
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: you know, screwed up in a little bit of a way.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: It makes sense now why they did what they did,
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: so I like the pairing of Raquel and Live. I
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: like your thoughts there that you know, later on, maybe
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: the love interest goes from Live to Raquel. For Dom,
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: that would be a really good thing for his character.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: That would be really fun and interesting. And overall, I
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: think Raquel in this role is really good, and I
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: think Live's character should have a character should have someone
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: like that in her background. And I think, and we
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: always do this from time to time when there's a
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: female bodyguard and a male wrestler, But I could see
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: Roquel being the China to Dom's Triple H two. So
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: it's it was good. I didn't dislike it as much
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: as the people online did. I saw it got like
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: a really bad rating from Cage Match, and it's like, God,
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: I've seen worse matches in the last year, and I
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: didn't feel like that was as bad as other ones
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: I've seen. And then finally the main event here, Doctor Trey,
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: Cody Roads and Roman Reigns defeat Solusico and Jacob fat two.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: We both had. I had Cody Roads and Roman Reign
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: Doctor Trey and Solosico and Jacob fot two. This match
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: struck all the courts. For me, it was good in
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: reperformance with solid storytelling. The Jimmy User return and the
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: pop he got was awesome. Jimmy convincing Roman help Cody
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: during this postmatch beat down from the new bloodline was
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: a solid moment, and then the Rock returning was off
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: the charts. I also liked the post event social media stuff,
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: including Soloicicoa telling the crowd that Therox return is quote
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: part of the plan, and Kevin Owens taking out Cody
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: Rose as he entered his tour bus. Post show was very,
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: very well done. Everything in WW is really well done
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: lately and hitting on all cylinders. Doctor Trey, your thoughts
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: on this one.
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you hit my thoughts exactly. There wasn't
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: anything about this match. I disliked the storytelling. The trepidation
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: at times between Cody and Roman was great. Those moments
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: of where you see like Solo like ordering Jacob to
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: do something, and I love Corey Grays on commentary basically
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: you know, just alluding to that, like Jacob's gonna do whatever.
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: Solo says like there's no you know, there's no tension
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: in that bloodline. All the Cody dive from the top
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: rope to splash and giving Roman the.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: Salute like all right, dude, you got this.
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: I'm out and just diving to take Jacob I thought
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: was really well done too. Then you know, Jimmy getting
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: that big pop. I don't know about you, but like
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: I almost feel bad at times for Jimmy. Hu's so
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: because you know, like Jay's gotten super over, He's the
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: inner con Neil champion. Jimmy's been kind of I don't
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: want to say injury prone, but he's had his issues.
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: He get, you know, dinged up. I mean, Solo passed
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: him in a sense as well. But that crowd response
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: when he got that big pop. I felt so happy
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: for him, and then just showing how important he is
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: the Roman, like he's gonna gonna be kind of the
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: conscience for Roman as Roman goes down this babyface path again,
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: you know, getting him to go back in and help
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: Cody and all that stuff. That was great the Rocks return, Like,
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: I'm interested to see how this goes because you couldn't
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: tell who he was sighting with. I mean, you got
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: the the stuff you know post show with you know,
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: so the crowd hearing Solo say is all part of
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: the plan. But if you go back to the beginning
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: of this, after WrestleMania, Solo kept saying that he was
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: doing stuff for the Tribal Chief, and we know we
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: always kind of questioned who was he actually referring to,
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: Was it Roman or was it the Raw. Now that
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: kind of plays back into it again, so it's a
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: great dynamic. Maybe we're getting the Ce's planet for the
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: og Blood line against the New bloodline.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: So just a really fun way to end the show.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: And then the Cody stuff after the show with the
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: beatdown from Kevin Owens. I'm gonna be interesting with how
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: they played down on SmackDown because they've basically played it
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: off like it was a legitimate thing. You know, we're
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: handling this internally, we're not allowed to talk about it.
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: Brandy Rose posting a picture of her, Cody, their daughter,
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: and Ko at Disneyland. I don't know if you saw that.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: That was great because her daughter's just eyeballing Ko like
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: he's the devil. That was all really fun. So just
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: a really really good way to end Bad Blood.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we talked about on last week's show. I mean
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: Pat McAfee had said after the Cody interview that was
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: picked up on their social media. I heard the Big
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: Guys coming back, and we discussed on the show. It's
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: like he's either talking about Hayman or The Rock. And
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: as things got closer, it came out to The Rock
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: was going to be going to the high school that
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: was involved with the school shooting earlier this year to
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: go watch their football team play, which was like less
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: than one hundred miles away from in Atlanta, Georgia. It's like,
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: oh God, so Rock is in town, he's in state,
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: he's nearby. And as it got closer and closer, it
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: just felt like, Okay, this is The Rock's return, and
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: this was It was really nice. It was a good
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: way to end the show. And according to Wressell votes,
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: this is the potential beginning to the build the Wrestle
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: eighty forty one Doctor Trey that we saw And maybe
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: that's part of the reason why this was such a
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: big deal show is you know Rock countdown like three, two,
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: one and then left and it appears tentative plans right
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: now always can change, as we know from last year.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: Earlier this year, Cody Rhoads versus Roman Reigns versus The
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: Rock at Wrestlem eighty forty one is potentially on the
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: table right now for a match at RUSS many forty
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: one in Las Vegas. So overall, great stuff. I mean,
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: very very very very enjoyable finish of the show, which
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: is everything with the Bloodline. It's we've got a path
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: now for Cody Rhodes coming out of this one, and
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: where there's intrigue heading in the SmackDown. I love the
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: Gorilla creative video. You know that took place. They did
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: not put out we cameras purposely outside when that angle
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: took place with Ko and Roads. They knew the fans
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: were gonna take care of it. I'm sure there were
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: some plants out there just in case they got some
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: really bad videos. But overall, I mean just completely, very
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: very well done. So lots of different layers here, Doctor Trey,
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: You've got the layer of is there wargame implications Jimmy
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: Usso's back. Does Cody get away now from Roman for
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: a little bit? Does he get away from the Bloodline
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: for a little bit. Does this lead to a feud
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: with Ko that carries us the next couple months? Where
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: does the rock play into this entire thing? A lot
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: of questions coming out of this one. Good questions, intriguing questions,
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: entertaining questions, and overall a very good way to finish
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: the show. So pay p review prediction record I gave it.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: I got five and oh Doctor Trey went three and two.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: I'm one hundred and seventeen thirty on the year one
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: oh six and forty one for Doctor Trey pay per
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: view event ratings and Match of the night. I gave
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: Bad Blood a four point one out of five. My
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: match of the night was CM Punk and Drew McIntyre
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: Doctor Trey, What say you?
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: I had it at a four point two, so slightly higher,
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: and I had CEM Puck and Drew McIntyre as well,
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: like this is you.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: You can't really put a show together where you have.
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: Like a great beginning and a great end, very memorable stuff. Yeah,
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: maybe the Naya Bailey match wasn't as up to pars,
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: maybe we hoped, but it was still better than most
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: Naya matches, and Finn and Dami was good. I like
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: living rheas. So we got five matches and I thought
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: they were all solid. Two fantastic coming out of this one.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: There was a lot of discussion throughout the week about
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: w I think Fightful had a report out there that
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: ww likes doing the five matches events, that they're taking
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: the page out of NXC take Over, something that we
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: have pointed out and noticed here on the show over
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: the last year or so under the triple A terrain.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: It then took another step there where WWE's business model
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: now for PLA weekends is where they have a big
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: match on SmackDown and a big match on Raw, or
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: matches on Raw and SmackDown, which is what we saw
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: this past week. We're heading into Bad Blood. You had
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: a triple threat ladder match for the tag team titles
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: with the Bloodline, DIY and Street Profits. That was a
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: very good match. And on Raw you had Gunther and Sammy,
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: you had Jay Usso and Xavier Woods. I like this idea,
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: Doctor Troy. I like that they're lending credence to the
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: importance of the shows leading into and out of the
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: pay per view, and I like that pl pay per
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: view quality matches are taking place on both before the
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: pl E and after the p l E. It seems
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: that there are some fans that are up in arms
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: a little bit about this, like this is something new
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: that WWE has done. Worded. There have been five matches max,
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: and they've been doing stuff on Friday or SmackDown on
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: SmackDown and then Monday and Raw. I guess it's a
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: little bit more concrete. I guess it's the plan that
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: they're going to be doing moving moving forward. Your thoughts
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: on the pl E weekend business model now for w A.
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: Uh Like, I wish there's maybe one more match, like
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: maybe one or two at times, but you know, the
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: business models changed and in the old days, you got
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: the workers got bonuses for working pl E slash pay
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: per views, and they don't really get that as much anymore.
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: Uh So, if if you can kind of pack the
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: whole weekend with having a great match on Friday, come back,
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: have the ple and then have another big match on Monday,
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: you're you're kind of getting it all and you're spreading
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: it out.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: And one thing you and I.
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: Love is when they spread it out and we're not
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: stuck watching something for five hours. Like if you can
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: give me some big matches over three days, I'm fine
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: with that because I can kind of pick and choose
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: my spots then and I'm not tied to the couch
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: for an entire afternoon. I mean, we're in college football season, Jeff.
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: I can't watch college football a day and then go
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: into a poe right after it. My family will actually
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: up and leave me at some point.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: So I like how it spread out.
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: I don't hate it as much as maybe I did
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: early on when they were only doing five matches and
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: we were getting kind of just solid stuff on Raw
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: and sotallid stuff on SmackDown. But like now, but that
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: triple threat match on SmackDown was really good Gunther and like,
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: not only did you have gun through Sammy and Jane Xavier,
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: you also had that Donnie Brook with Seamus and Pete Dunne.
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: I mean that was a fully loaded Raw also with
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: you know, the CM punk stuff, the seth rawl and
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: stuff like that was a fully loaded show. So I'm
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: fine with kind of spreading the wealth around. Plus what
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: that should is actually also helped increase ratings or increase
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: viewership to Netflix if you're going to have I mean,
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: we don't get the world title defended on Raw very
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: very often over the last ten years. I mean, if
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: that's a model they're going with, which if you look
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: at it, we talked about this a couple weeks ago.
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: The Gunther on the pecking order is kind of down
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: below quite a few guys. It's probably gonna happen a
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: little bit more often going forward until you get him
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: up in to where he's the main Evan guy on RAW.
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: So I like the trajectory there on with this.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: It's gonna be interesting in the type of influence this
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: business model has now on the rest of the industry,
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: because I think AWS has had a very large influence
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: and changing the way that we's business model has taken
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: place with creative in ring stuff. The house shows the schedule,
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: taking care of the wrestlers, paying them more money whatever,
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: locking them up long term. There's been a big influence
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: on AAW. This is going to bleed into a little
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: bit about what we'll discuss your head in a Wrestle Dream.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: But spoiler alert, this may be the least I have
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: been excited or interested in an AW pay per view
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: potentially ever in the entire five year existence of the company.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: Heading into this Saturday for Wrestle Dream and I find
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: the AW pay per views, and I know this is
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: not a popular opinion amongst the hardcorese I find four
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: hours on a Saturday night or Sunday night of just
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: NonStop wrestling, great entering stuff, but kind of lacking a
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: little bit of entertainment. Out of the entertainment I'm seeing
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: from the inn ring to be a bit boring than
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: what I'm seeing in WE right now. And I think
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: W has influenced that where I like these shows where
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: they get in and get out, they get done what
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: they need to get done from an n ring standpoint,
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: they get done what they need to get done from
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: an entertaining standpoint, and even though it's five matches, I
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: feel like I'm getting most banged from my buck and
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: then heading into those pl weekends, I know that SmackDown
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: may have one or two great matches on the car
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: that are very intriguing and interesting for free television, and
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: I know Raw will have one or two great matches
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: that will be intriguing coming out of PLS on television
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: for free aw heading into Dynamite in Collision or in Rampage,
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: it's heading into those pay per view weekends. It's like
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: almost throwaway shows. Dynamite this past Wednesday was not good,
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: and we'll break down those viewerships here in a little bit,
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: and you're heading into the pay per view. I did
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: not personally enjoy that. So I wonder if there's any
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: influence here, Doctor Trey where the WWE pay per view
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: pl model will be reflective in AAW. At some point,
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: I think AW is gonna be too stubborn. I don't
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: think they're going to make any changes. I think they're
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: gonna stick with that four hour mark and ten matches
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: a card, and whether there is a lot of build
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: or very little build. I don't see AW changing it.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: But I like that I'm getting most banged from my
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: buck from WWE and they're doing less matches than AW
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: is doing right now.
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, the one thing we can say about
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: AAW is they are stubborn as hell at times. Like
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: they have their model, they run with it, they'll tweak it,
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: but for the most part, you never see wholesale changes.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, if it gets to a point where we're.
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: Looking at an AW card it's got five or six
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: matches and that's all they have for the night, then
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: you know, then I'll take a little more notice. But
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: right now, like I just can't see Tony Kahan and
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: the upper management going, you know what they're doing. We
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: like that because that's why we get five hour pay
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: per views because they give those guys twenty to thirty
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: minutes every single match to go work it.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: W You didn't do that in the past.
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: If they had eight matches on the card, you know
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: they're gonna be there's gonna be a five minute match
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: in there. There's gonna be something that's kind of a
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: throwaway now with that NXT model that they did so
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: successfully in the past, or and the Black and Gold era,
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: like you're getting fifteen twenty minutes for everybody on the
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: on the pl I mean, the women aren't getting cut short.
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: The tag matches, if it's on the pl is not
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: getting cut short. It gives guys a chance to really
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: do what they love the best. And I love that
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: fans are upset about this because the knock WWU has
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: always been oh, they talked too much, there's not enough wrestling.
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: Now you're getting more wrestling on the plees and people
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: are still not happy about it. So I guess you
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: can't please everybody.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: So let's get into a doctor trey. This past Tuesday,
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: NXC versus AW head to head. NX did not load
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: up the box like they did a year ago, where
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: they had Cody and Cina an undertaker, et cetera, et cetera.
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: They just had Randy Orton and Saint Louis and that
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: was to move ticket sales, and that quasi didn't work folks,
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: because they moved from the arena that RAW was in
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: the night before into a much smaller arena at the
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: Factory in Saint Louis. This past Tuesday, AW has their
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: title Tuesday because of the MLB playoffs. Their headlined with
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: Wheeler You and Brian Danielson the world champion against Claudie
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: Ow and Pac. And this is a headhead matchup and
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: it's a head to head from the nine to ten
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: PM hour, I must say as well, So it actually
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: went from eight to ten. AW went from nine to eleven.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: And I don't know why they did that. I don't
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: know if it was because the Baseball playoffs, I'm not
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: necessarily sure. Nonetheless, the viewership came out, So NXT did
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: eight hundred and seventy four thousand viewers a point two
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: four rating. AW did three hundred and twenty nine thousand viewers,
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: a point one zero rating for both eighteen to forty
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: nine for both NXT and AW. Dave Melt who is
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: often criticized as a staunch supporter of AW, wrote tweeted quote,
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: it's very clear at this point aw's audience, unlike two
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: years ago, is choosing WE, and they have less of
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: an exclusive audience than before. Doctor Trey. This is this
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: is very telling. Your thoughts here on the Head to
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: head were NXT like bitch slapped AW this past Tuesday night.
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's concerning in a lot of ways, not
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: only the viewership, but I mean you can see from
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: from the arena in Spokane, like it just it was
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: mostly empty and you're looking going you got Darby Allen
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: and Brian Danson on the show, and those are Washington
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: State guys, and you couldn't draw a bigger crowd. Like
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: it's it is noticeably concerning, and like you said, like
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: WW didn't go out and sell out, Like there's no
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: undertaker coming out to beat up braun breaker.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: John Sena is not on the building.
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: It's literally Randy Orton and Javon Evans, who outside of
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: NXT fans, nobody knows who John Evans is. So it's
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: it's kind of one of those things where like I
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: think even WW kind of went yeah.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: We don't have to sell out for this one.
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: We can just go out there and be solid and
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: I think we can take them, and they kind of
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: prove their points. So it does make you nervous because
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: it was like I was. I had a friend of
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: the other day asking me about AW. I'm like, the
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: thing about it is like, it's a very solid operation.
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: It's a very solid show. It's a you know most
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: of the time. But there's nothing that's must see right now.
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: And I think with WW, you can say, man, I
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: got to see what's happening with the Roman and the Bloodline.
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: I gotta see what's happening with with Drew and cm Punk,
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: I gotta see what's happening with Rhea and Live. Like
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: there's enough stuff going on that you have to tune
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: in to watch. Where with AW right now is like
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: maybe the stuff with Moxley and Danielson, But outside of that,
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: is there really anything that is, you know, driving people
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: back to the TVs or into the arenas that's making
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: it a musty show.
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: I don't really think there is.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're having tough tough time selling tickets. It's very
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: noticeable on their website. If you out there and take
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: a look. There was a couple of markets I looked
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: at prior to the show and it's still very readily
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: available and it's next month, and these are markets where
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: they were selling out. The viewership is very concerning the
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: head to head with NXT. Who's very concerning this past
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: Wednesday's edition or Tuesday's edition of Dynamite heading into Russell
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: Dream again. I mentioned earlier on the show, this is
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: the first time for me, Doctor Trey, I could care
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: less about an AW pay per view this on this Saturday.
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: I walked out of that show and I was like,
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: what am I excited for? Intrigued to see where Moxley
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: and Danielson go because I want to know if this
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: leads to Sea McMahon potentially join an AAW. Outside of that,
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: Osprey Ta Takeashka, Ricochet, the return of Swerve. I mean,
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: it's a lot of stuff that I'm not looking forward to,
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: and it's like AW has a problem right now, and
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: all things considered, this isn't like me being a w
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: W homer, which I'll be criticized for on X or
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: on Facebook post show here. I legitimately think NXT is
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: better than AW right now. I am finding nxta more
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: entertaining than watching AW right now. And that's why on
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: Tuesday night for me personally, I watched NXT first, AW
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: second two three years ago, four years ago when it
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: was the Wednesday Night Wars, I was watching AAW first
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: NXT second And that's because I could watch NXT also
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: on demand on Peacock, but AW was better back then.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: So they've got a problem on their hands. Doctor Treya,
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: do you do you feel the same way? Do you
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: feel like there's a major problem here? Could you care
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: less for wrestle during this Saturday? Where do you stand
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: on this entire thing?
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: Like I think I'm about where you're at, Like there's
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: nothing that to me is must sye like the like
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: the closest thing would be Danielson Moxley. And that's just
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: because I'm intrigued to see.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: Where it goes.
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: I mean because supposedly they you know, Danielon loses his
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: last match, or they can put the title back on Boxley.
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: Does the shame thing happen? Does Wheeler turn on Danielson?
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: Like I am intrigued about that, and then Darby and
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: Brody King I'm intrigued by just because I really like
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: Brodie King. I think he's very, very underrated, So I'm
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: I want to see that match, but really everything else,
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: like we have the Young Bucks in Private Party kind
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: of like it, and when you look at the picture
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: of the of the card, it's featured pretty prominently.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, Private.
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: Party has been getting their ass kicked for like the
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: better part of you know, three years, and all of
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: a sudden, now they're in line for a title shot
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: just because they kind of asked for one.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: Like some of the stuff just doesn't make sense to me.
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: So their issue is once again, like there's nothing compelling
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: about their show that makes me want to watch other
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: than just wrestling action. Like I mean the stuff with
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: Osprey and Kyle Fletcher and Takeshka and Don Kallas. That's
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: a little interesting, but that's kind of where I kind
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: of thought that was going to go at some point.
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: But I mean, Jeff, is there anybody on.
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: This show that you just go, Man, I have to
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: see the entire show for this one guy or this
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: one segment. And I just I mean, I know you
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: love Aspray. I'm coming around. I'm becoming a bigger, bigger
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: will Ospray fan. Every single week but I mean, you
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: got no MJF. Jericho's kind of like there's Danielson's still
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: not a great by the way.
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: I hate his hair. I hate when he does the braids.
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: It looks ridiculous.
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: But there's just nothing exciting about the show right now
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: that makes me go, man, I gotta see what they're
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: gonna do. And those guys go out there and damn
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: near kill themselves in the ring. It's just the storytelling
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: and the stuff that goes on around it is just
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: not good right now, and it makes me just go,
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: like you where I'm just like, I'll probably check out
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: the highlights. I might check out a couple of matches.
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: I'm definitely not putting any money down for this show,
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: but I mean you don't have I mean, you spend
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: all this money on Oca Ocada's not even on the show, seriously, Like,
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: come on, guys.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: I will say here so creatively, there's a couple of things,
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: and you brought up the Young Bucks private party stuff,
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: and I've actually enjoyed the character build a private party
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: for the last couple of weeks where the hand gets
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: smashed from John Moxley on Isaiah Cassidy and they start
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: lining themselves up to try to get back at the
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: Young and get back into a match, and they asked
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: for the match, they didn't get one. Then they were
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: getting victories. They got to win over the Young Bucks
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: and Jack Perry when they teamed with Katti or Shabada
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: on the previous edition of Dynamite. Then they win the
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: triple Threat match on Collision to become the number one contenders.
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: Here's the missing point though. Okay, Young Bucks were not
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: there on Wednesday, so they did not further that storyline
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: outside of a backstage segment with Private Party where they
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: cut a promo that pissed me off. Hangman Adam Paige
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: versus Jay White any other given time, and I expect
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: this on Saturday to be a great match, but that
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: deserves a great bill. Jay White comes back, he takes
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: out Hangman Paige who's attacking Juice Robinson. You figure Hangman
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: Page and Jay White will further this thing on Wednesday's Dynamite. Nope,
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: Jay White just cuts a Babyface promo for quasi Babyface
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: promo and that's that. It's like, what are we doing here?
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: And you mentioned Okada. I didn't even think about it.
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: Okata is not on the card for Wressel Dream. The
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: show is called Wressel Dream, right well, who is a
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: dream wrestler right now? Kazushka Okada, He's off the card.
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: I would have preferred that it was Ricochet versus Osprey
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: at this match, and they didn't do it at the
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: five Year Dynamite show. I would have preferred one on
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: one there. Then Kenoski Takeshka being randomly thrown into this one,
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: and there's been some good character arc with that. But
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: the build has just been met, and this is what
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: we've been saying. People are saying it as well. Again,
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: I will say that AW had a really rough time
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: until AW Revolution back in March. From AW Revolution to
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: about all Out, I felt like creatively entering wise and
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: as a company, they were starting to climb upwards again.
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: They were sending the ladder where I wanted to see
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: them as a fan of the business. Ever since all Out,
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: it's like, I don't know if a lot of different
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: stars align where Mjoff is off television because he's filming
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: right now. He's involved with the Happy Gilmore sequel and
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: he has a major role in that movie. Swerve Strickling
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: was rumored to be doing something in television. That's why
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: he's been off television in the last couple of weeks.
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: It's like, you know, Adam Copeland is still out with injury,
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: FTR is dealing with stuff at home from Helene, but
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: they haven't really been featured as much as they used
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: to be prior to all this. The Outrunners are really
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: climbing upwards and ascending, similar to the Acclaim did several
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: years ago, and they're not on the paper view card
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: to capitalize on that. It's like a bunch of things
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: that is just mind boggling. And as I watched Dynamite
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: Doctor Trey, all I could think of was again, and
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: I hate saying this, but I will if we didn't
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: do a podcast, I think I would stop watching AW
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: I legitimately thought that there would be the topic on
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: this show, and maybe there isn't a couple of weeks.
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: If this continues onwards, where how is this any different
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: from TNA in two thousand and nine, twenty ten when
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: we started this podcast and we decided this is just
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: so bad I can't watch it anymore. I mean, imagine
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: if you remove Dynamite Rampagent Collision from your viewing, you know,
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: that you do for professional wrestling. That's five hours each week,
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: and I just watch clips on YouTube like everybody else,
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: and it's like I can get five hours back of
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: my life and we don't cover it as much on
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: the show. Do we become a strictly WWE type podcast.
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: These are things that I've legitimately thought about in my
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: head because I was so damn disappointed with Tuesday's edition
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: in Dynamite. I thought it was missed opportunities. I think
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: it's been a very poor build overall with there are
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: some hits, a lot of misses. Heading in a wrestl
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: tream on Saturday. If I was someone that staunchly reported
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: AW and I bought every pay per view and I
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: tune in all the time, It's like, why the hell
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: would I spend fifty plus bus bucks on the show
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: other than the sport AW. I mean, there's very little
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: on this card that we will run through here momentarily
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: where I'm like, oh, I've been really happy with this build.
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: I can't wait to see the match on Saturday. Very
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: little and it's like AW continues to shoot themselves in
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: the foot. I see the viewership come out NXT versus
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: AW on Tuesday, and it was a complete bitch slap.
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: It was not seven hundred and fifty thousand with AW
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: six and fifty thousands of the NXT. It was a
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: five hundred thousand plus difference in both. I mean, mind Boline,
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: I know they did not both start at the same time,
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: but I thought that was very, very shocking and should
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: we talked about a lot more than it is right now?
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, to me, the one thing AW has
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: had a hard time with through the five years is
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: when somebody organically gets over or somebody gets hot, they
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: stop it way too short.
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: And that's one thing.
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: And I know what the documentary and everything else, everybody
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: goes on this anti vinceling, But the one thing Vince
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: Is always did and Triple H has been successful with
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: as well, is when somebody gets hot or gets over organically,
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: we feature the hell out of them because there's something
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: there we have to capitalize on. And when you have
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: somebody like the outrunners or whether it was the acclaimed
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: last year or somebody else just gets hot and the
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: crowd really gets into them, why the hell are they
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: not on the show, like, you have to capitalize on that.
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: I mean, you you go back two months ago to
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: the like Darby and Jack Perry with the coffin match
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: and Darby's one of the hottest guys in your company
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: and he loses in his specialty match basically clean, Like,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: I just don't get it. It's like they kind of
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: it's very clickish and how they book their show where
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: it's like, yeah, certain guys that are kind of the
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: favorites are always going to get and you know, Crowby,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: dam it's a little bit that Vince stubbornness that you
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: and I have talked about for damn near a decade
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: kind of coming out in aw and Tony Con where
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: it's like, yeah, if you're not part of the inner
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: circle quote unquote, yeah, you may not be seen, you
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: may not be featured, you may not get over it.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: If you don't get over because of us, if you
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: get over on your own and not with us, then yeah,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: you might not be seen anyway. So it's just it's
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: doesn't make sense to me. And then it is a
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: little bit bad timing. Somebody gets hot, somebody has a
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: great match, and then they have another commitment that they
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: have to take, which boggles my mind as well, Like,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: like I know MJFS wanted to dip his toes into
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: the Hollywood stuff, but you got to swerve coming out
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: this great angle with Hangman Page and you know he's
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: gonna go off and do something.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: It's like, where are your priorities?
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: I mean, Ww's always like, hey, your priorities to the company.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: If there's something else going on, we can work around it. Great,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: will work around it. But your priority is us. And
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: I think that aw is almost too nice in that
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: where it's like somebody's hot, he gets it offered to
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: do TV. Oh yeah, well yeah, you're hot right now.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: Everybody wants to see you. Yeah, I go take six
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: weeks off, out of sight, out of mind.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: People forget.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: So it just that they've had a knack of doing
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: that for their entire history in this show or of
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: their show. Is some again is hot, They get featured,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden they're just gone, and
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: people kind of forget about it.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: I know they've got the big deal one hundred and
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: eighty five million each year for the next three to
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: four years and a Warner Brothers Discovery. That's great, very
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: very talented roster. I enjoy the work that they do.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: I've really liked that they've pushed the envelope in the
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: world of professional wrestling, but the gap is getting wider
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: between them and w WAE right now, and they need
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: to do stuff now to close that gap again. Because
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: they were knocking on the doorstep of just strictly me
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: wanting to watch AW over we several years ago, and
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: it's like ever since then, all out twenty twenty one,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: it's it's been very much a slow downturn for AW.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: It really reminds me a lot of TENA Doctor Trey.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: I watched them in and out from like two thousand
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: and two when they launched till about the Monday Night
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: Wars when we started doing this podcast, and then I
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: never really returned outside the pandemic. I would tune in
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: and I would watch them on a regular basis when
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: they were back as Impact Wrestling, I'll watch them from
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: far and check out some stuff on YouTube. But I
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: feel like that could be the direction it's going for
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: me as a fan, where I mean, it's just reminiscent
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: to me in my mind of like two and nine
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: twenty ten TNA, where it's like this is the beginning
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: of the end of their popularity, and I don't want
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: that to be true, but I'm just like sick and
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: tired of the last three years of this stop start.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: You know, good stretches are creative. Really bad stretches are creative,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: no character build, no character development, great entering stuff, but
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: like potentially boring at the end of the night. And
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: that's kind of where I'm at right now. Not true.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: I think AW is a major problem, and I think
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: doing this podcast kind of saves them for me. I
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: don't know if you're there yet, but that's that's how
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: I feel.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: I mean, if you look at the five year run,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: it's reminiscent of TNA from two thousand and six to
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: twenty eleven, where it was really cool at first, people
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: were checking it out, people were tuning in. They try
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: to go bigger, they try to do something else, and
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: then stuff goes sideways. It's reminiscent of WCW from about
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: ninety six to about two.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: Thousand and one.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: You know, the launch of the nWo, all the excitement,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: all the craziness, all these new stars coming up, and
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: then by the end the inmates are the inmates are
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: running the asylum, and stuff's gone off the rails and
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: we're getting the Magnificent Seven and all the other presents.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: That went on New Blood.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: It's just yeah, I mean, it's just sometimes like you know,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: it's it's the common thing that we have said for
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  Speaker 3: five years is that Tony Kahn's a really nice guy
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 3: and he wants to be friends with everybody.
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  Speaker 1: But sometimes you have to be an.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: A hole when you're in charge and go, look there,
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  Speaker 3: there's a system, there's a way that things work.
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  Speaker 1: There's and there's enough guys that.
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  Speaker 3: Have crossed over from WWE into AW that knows the
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: formula and knows the system and knows how stuff should
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  Speaker 3: be structured to where this stuff should make more sense
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  Speaker 3: and put on better television. I think they forget that
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: they're a television show. There's I mean, my common complaint
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: for five years has been like, leave me with a
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: cliffhanger at the end of the show where I have
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: to tune in the next week to see what happens.
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  Speaker 1: And they have very seldom done that.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 3: And when and they have done it, they've blown the
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: angle up like within a couple of weeks. I'm talking
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: like the firm, you know, we talked about it last
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: week's show, just in passing. I'm like they come up
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: with a cool angle and you're like, oh, this is great,
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: and then either they blow the angle up or somebody
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: gets hurt because they do too much in the ring,
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: and then they're out for a year and the whole
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 3: angle just goes away.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: It's really frustrating at times when.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: You try to go, look, I'm giving you guys every
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: opportunity to win me over and make me a die
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: hard fan, and right now I'm just on the peripheral
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: checking out YouTube clips.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm right there. It's it's an interesting time, so
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: let's get into it. AW Russell Dream Prever predictions this
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: Saturday for the Tacoma Dome and Tacoma Washington. Hopefully it
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: turns itself around as being a solid card. I hope
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: when we get back here next Thursday. People that are like,
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: you guys are being too harsh on AW. Doc Train
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: and I sit here and we're like, yeah, we didn't
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: enjoy the build, but that was a four point zero
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: plus show and that's very well possible because they have
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: the n ring talent to do it. Heading into this one,
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: it's like, man, this is a very out of character
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: build for AW, which is concerning because they should be
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: capitalizing right now, not falling backwards when w w W
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: is hitting stuff out of the park. First match here,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: case of point, Doctor Trey Atlantis Junior defends the ROH
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: World Television Championship against Brian Cage. I have no idea
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: how they got to this point. I don't watch r OH.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: It's on the card. I'm gonna take it. Atlantis Junior.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just learned this week that Brian Cage portrayed
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: Mortis in WWE briefly in some dark matches.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: I did not know that, really.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: I thought that was I thought that was Chris Kanyon.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: I actually saw him posts on his Facebook page. He
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: actually posted that Canyon Lent gave him the Mortis outfit, uh,
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: to kind of carry on the Mortis Mortis legacy when
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: he was doing the MVP stuff. So, uh, yeah, I
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: did not know. I'll send you. I'll screenshot and send
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: it to you this week. But yeah, I didn't know
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: Lantis Junior was the Ring of Honors.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: I wasn't champion.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: I thought Atlantis Junior was a small casino in Erna, Nevada.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: But I'll take him to win because Brian Cage doesn't
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: win titles in AAW, so I'll take it.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: Atlantis Junior.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: Next match here is Hologram taking on the Beast Mortos
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: in a two out of three falls match. They're really
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: pushing Hologram doctor Trem. I'm going to take Hologram.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And they were really pushing Mortos a month ago,
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 3: and then he's now in L I J L I G.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know who it is now.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 3: I'm taking Hologram because I think this way, he actually
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: gets a loss, so that way, he's technically not undefeated
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: because he gets pinned at one point, but I think
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: he wins the match two out of three, So I'll
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 3: take Hologram as well.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And by the way, talking about on last week's
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: show with Don Kallis and l I J, they did
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: a trade with Lance Archer going to Don Kallis's family
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: and of course the guy that you would think of,
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: Jake Roberts now being the man for L I J.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: Going forward. Jake Roberts, who I have not seen on
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: AW television maybe a year, is back as manager MXM Collection,
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: who I do enjoy, and they are taking on the
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: Acclaim and a tag team match. I really want to
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: pick MXM Collection, but I'm going to take the Acclaimed
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: in this one.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally agree with you.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: I really want to pick MXM, but I'm taking the
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 3: Acclaimed as well.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: Hangman Out Page takes on Jay White. I'm going to
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: take hang Man Out in Paige.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: I'm taking a hanging Man as well as and that
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: was a Jay's promo on Dynamo is actually really good,
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: but I'm taking a Hangman as well.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: Maria May defends the AW Women's World champions against Willow Nightingale.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: I will take Mariah May.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: I don't know how many of these were gonna disagree
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 3: on because I'm with you on this one as well.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: I'm taking Mariah May getting the win.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: That's part of the reason when I was like building
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: this card out for the show, I was like, man,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: I don't see many title changes here. The Young Bucks
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: defend the AW World Tag Team Champion against a Private Party.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: I would love to pick Private Party, but I'm going
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: to go with the Young Bucks.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: I'm taking the Young Bucks as well.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: Will Osprey to the AW International Championship against Rikoshet. Knoski
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: Takeshka in a three way match. Who do you like
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: this one? Doctor?
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 3: Try this This is the one where I was like,
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: I don't know where I'm going with those one because
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 3: I could make a case for Takeshka, but uh man,
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: I think I'm gonna take Ospray retaining. I just think
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: he's on a hot streak, so I think you gotta
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: run with it for now. So I'm taking Ospray's on
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: this one.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna take Osprey as well. Jack Perry defends the
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: AWT and T Championship against Katti or Shabata, Doctor Tree,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: who do you liking this one?
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: I'm going with a scapegoat because when you have a
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: goat that headbutts against the Japanese minute head.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: But you picked the animal.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: I'm going to take Jack Perry as well. Darby Allen
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: take it on, brody Kin. I'm gonna go with Darby Allen.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: As much as I want to pick Brody King.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 3: I'm picking Darby because Darby needs a win because he
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: got beat by Jack Perry and then got beat by
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: John Moxley, so Darby needs a win.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: This is the next two matches, the one I'm having
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: trouble with. You got Mark Briskett defend the ROH World
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: Championship against Chris Jericho. Who do you like this one? Doctor? Try?
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: This one's tough because I think Joe Samo. Joe might
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 3: have gotten done filming Twisted Metal, so I can see
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 3: Joe coming out to help Briscoe win. I think I'm
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: gonna take Jericho regaining the ROH title of making him
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: the what comes after?
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: Ohow he said the Nueva. He actually said that in
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: a promo.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: I missed the promo because God knows, I don't watch
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: all his promos, so I can see Jericho becoming the Nueva.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: So I'll take Jericho.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with Jericho as well, because I think
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: they want to have another ROA show towards the end
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: of the year, and they gotta put some butts in
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: the seat. And then finally, this is a tough one,
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: Doctor Trey. Brian Danielson defends the AW World Championship against
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: John Moxley. I'm gonna pick John Moxley this one. I
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: think wheelder you to turns and Danielson goes away now
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: for a little bit. I don't think you've done. You
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: do this six to eight week build with John Moxley
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: being a major focal point for your AW television, only
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: for him to lose the first time he gets a
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: World Championship match. So I think this leads to an
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: another era in chapter where they take over the company,
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: because if he lost, it's be like, what was the
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: point of that. Now I'm gonna take Moxley in this one.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with you, Like it's funny because it was
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: just a short time ago you and I sat here
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 3: and said who's gonna be the guy to have thrown
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 3: Danielson at I don't know if we had Moxley on
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: the list, but yeah, I'm taking Moxley as well, And
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 3: it's all for the same reasons, like I just see
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 3: you to turning the BCC kind of taking over. I
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: don't know if Shane comes in or not, but you
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 3: know they've declared war on aw for being and this
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 3: is I'm actually for me. That makes him a baby
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 3: face because I agree with everything Moxley's saying. So I'm
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: taking Moxley get the win as well.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they kind of alluded to a Wheeler
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: turn there a little bit of foreshadowing that tag team
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: match where Danielson was off the apron for a decent
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: amount of time and Wheeler went for that tag several
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: times and he was not there, so that could certainly
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: be a storyline reason as to why he turns on Danielson. Yes,
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: after try to.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: Mention he's still part of the six man tag team
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: or the six man Tag Team Champions, that is true.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, how often do you see that where the
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: trios champions are a feud with one another?
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: I forgot that was the phrasing my bat No problem.
• 1:12:08
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• 1:12:33
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