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Anna Drezen Returns to Disobey Bridger Again · I Said No Gifts! A comedy interview podcast with Bridger Winegar

• 0:02
  Speaker 1: When I.
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  Speaker 2: Invited you here I thought I made myself perfectly clear
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  Speaker 2: When you're a guest in my home You gotta come
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  Speaker 2: to me empty-handed I said no gifts, your presence is
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  Speaker 2: presence enough And I already had too much stuff So
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  Speaker 2: how do you dare disobey me?
• 0:39
  Speaker 1: Guitar solo.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome to I Said No Gifts, I'm Richard Weiniger. We're here.
• 0:55
  Speaker 3: I'm back from TJ Maxx. The line was around the store.
• 0:59
  Speaker 3: If you were looking for a deal, you'd still be there.
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  Speaker 3: I'm glad I didn't find anything. Morning. The morning for
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  Speaker 3: me started... This morning I woke up and almost immediately
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  Speaker 3: began texting with the manufacturer of my garbage disposal. And
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  Speaker 3: we texted back and forth. It was electric. And then
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  Speaker 3: I realized it wasn't the, I don't own the garbage
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  Speaker 3: disposal I thought I owned. Totally different brand. I was
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  Speaker 3: texting with a woman that had no interest in my
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  Speaker 3: garbage disposal. But I will say the customer service at
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  Speaker 3: Insincorator is excellent. They were very on top of it.
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  Speaker 3: If I owned an NSYNC creator, I'd be on top
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  Speaker 3: of the world. So look into that brand. I had
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  Speaker 3: to get my garbage disposal working on my own. Is
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  Speaker 3: there anything else going on? Let's see. I don't think so.
• 2:03
  Speaker 3: Let's see if I have any notes here. No, I
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  Speaker 3: just Patreon, patreon.com slash I said no gifts. I'm breaking
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  Speaker 3: my back. The amount of content that's being produced, it
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  Speaker 3: should be illegal. I'm exploiting myself. Go over there, listen
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  Speaker 3: to bonus episodes, episodes of me recapping almost anything on
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  Speaker 3: television to do with women in Utah and every commercial
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  Speaker 3: I see. So that's over there. Hopefully I said the address.
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  Speaker 3: My memory is failing. I think that's about it. Your
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  Speaker 3: spouse might be hiding something from you. That's something to
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  Speaker 3: think about. I don't have any evidence, but just keep
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  Speaker 3: that in mind. I want to get into the episode.
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  Speaker 3: I absolutely adore today's guest. We were supposed to be
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  Speaker 3: eating shepherd's pie right now, and instead I trapped her
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  Speaker 3: in the podcast. It's Anna Dresden.
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  Speaker 4: Hello. Anna.
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  Speaker 1: Hi.
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  Speaker 3: How are you?
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  Speaker 4: I'm good. I feel bamboozled and wrecked. I was wearing
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  Speaker 4: soft pants, and now I'm wearing hard ones.
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  Speaker 3: We really had planned for me to come over and
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  Speaker 3: have shepherd's pie.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: And then life intervened.
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  Speaker 4: You have to do a certain number of podcast hours
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  Speaker 4: per week in the terms of your parole. I'm sentenced. Yeah. No,
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  Speaker 4: I think it's good. The conversation is probably better here. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: What would we be talking about over shepherd's pie?
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  Speaker 4: Have you heard anything? Just at all.
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  Speaker 3: Speaking of sentences, have you seen this documentary, A Killer
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  Speaker 3: Story or Killer Story?
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  Speaker 4: I have not, but this is on Netflix and it's
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  Speaker 4: a hot one. HBO, okay, great, close.
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  Speaker 3: You've got to get into this thing.
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  Speaker 4: Tell me about it.
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  Speaker 3: Three episodes about a gal who may or may not
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  Speaker 3: have shot her husband and his new wife in the 90s,
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  Speaker 3: went to prison, then a couple, just two, people out
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  Speaker 3: in the middle of somewhere decided they were going to
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  Speaker 3: get her out of jail. And they teamed up with
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  Speaker 3: a journalist from the New York Times. And then we
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  Speaker 3: watched it all unfold. We watched it unfold and were left– well,
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  Speaker 3: I don't think you're wondering anything at all at the end.
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  Speaker 3: I think you're actually pretty clear throughout what probably happened.
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  Speaker 3: But it's– watching this lady's journey is interesting.
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  Speaker 4: She does it again.
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  Speaker 3: She digs him up.
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  Speaker 4: Good morning.
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  Speaker 3: No, but I think you would like it. I think
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  Speaker 3: you would be interested in this thing.
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  Speaker 4: Here's the thing. I thought I was done with true crime.
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  Speaker 3: You always think that.
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  Speaker 4: But then they rolled out body cam.
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  Speaker 3: Wait, the... Body cams. Technology. The technology. I mean, I
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  Speaker 3: was like, oh, is there now just a show called
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  Speaker 3: Body Cam?
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  Speaker 4: There's a new show where it's just a live feed
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  Speaker 4: of a body cam. Yeah. No, it's just I find
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  Speaker 4: that angle really compelling.
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  Speaker 1: Of course.
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  Speaker 4: Because you're like really in their face. Because usually with
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  Speaker 4: true crime, you get the security and you're not seeing faces.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 4: But this you're seeing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I am a little nostalgic for the corner camera, though.
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  Speaker 3: There's something about like in the interrogation room that.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Something a little eerie about it or something.
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  Speaker 4: To see someone sit on a chair is so vulnerable.
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  Speaker 3: I think the last real use usage of that was
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  Speaker 3: the Sherry Papini.
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  Speaker 4: You told me about her and I still haven't watched it.
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  Speaker 3: You got to get into Papini.
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  Speaker 4: What does she do? She sang backup for Muddy Waters.
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  Speaker 4: I don't remember.
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  Speaker 3: Sherry Papini is a timeless name.
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  Speaker 4: She was four foot one. She sang with her cousins.
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  Speaker 4: My brain doesn't make memories anymore. Can you remind me?
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  Speaker 3: She's the woman who kidnapped herself.
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  Speaker 4: Of course.
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  Speaker 3: And then had her kind of stuck around her ex-boyfriend's
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  Speaker 3: condo or whatever it was in Orange County. Had him
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  Speaker 3: hold up a hockey stick that she ran into to
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  Speaker 3: make herself look like she'd been kidnapped. She had a
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  Speaker 3: whole thing. And I don't, where is she today? I
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  Speaker 3: don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think she's in jail, but she might, she
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  Speaker 3: may have already served her time.
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  Speaker 4: She's somewhere.
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  Speaker 3: It's one of those great crimes that makes you extremely
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  Speaker 3: famous and isn't really that much of a crime. So
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  Speaker 3: you go to prison, you get a documentary out of it,
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  Speaker 3: and then you move on.
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  Speaker 4: Everyone sleeps at night.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody gets to go back to bed. I, speaking of
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  Speaker 3: memory loss, this is probably something you're also, I'm just
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  Speaker 3: bringing up media that you've probably aren't consuming yet, but
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  Speaker 3: I'm reading Emma Klein's new book, Switzy. Are you familiar
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  Speaker 3: with this?
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 3: It's about someone with cognitive decline. And I don't recommend,
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  Speaker 3: if you're worried about your memory, I don't recommend reading it.
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  Speaker 3: Because I wake up and start reading this every morning
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  Speaker 3: and then just begin a panic spiral.
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  Speaker 4: What are you doing to counteract the slow march?
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  Speaker 3: When I forget, when I'm trying to remember something, I'm
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  Speaker 3: trying to really just sit there And try to remember.
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  Speaker 3: Today I was really trying to remember Christian Bale's name.
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  Speaker 4: I can't believe you got it. I.
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  Speaker 3: Well, actually... I can't remember it now.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't get it. Oh, you didn't? You Googled.
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  Speaker 3: Okay. I looked up Batman Begins Cast.
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  Speaker 4: That is the craziest way to find out his name.
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  Speaker 3: That's a horrifying thing to reveal. What am I doing?
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  Speaker 4: And you knew which one?
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  Speaker 1: Oh.
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  Speaker 4: But you remembered it just now. Yeah. Which I think
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  Speaker 4: is great.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. So, obviously... Something worked. Do you struggle to remember things?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, in a scary way.
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  Speaker 3: And I think that something happens in your brain when
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  Speaker 3: you're trying to remember and you don't. You start panicking
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  Speaker 3: and it makes it worse.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Right? You hydroplane.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, God, that feeling.
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  Speaker 4: You've got to just not break at all. Just go like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know. And then you'll hit it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, especially with celebrity names. I think that's my main weakness.
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  Speaker 4: Do you think we could manifest making each other not
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  Speaker 4: remember a celebrity name right now?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 3: Truly almost any celebrity. I will panic and not remember.
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  Speaker 4: She won the Oscar for Paper Moon. Oh.
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  Speaker 3: I actually don't know.
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  Speaker 4: Is it Sean Young? Everyone's 25. No one knows.
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  Speaker 3: We haven't talked since you were in Utah. Actually, I
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  Speaker 3: wanted to talk about Costco as well, which you don't
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  Speaker 3: go to.
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  Speaker 4: I go sometimes, and I'm allowed to have my own cart.
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  Speaker 4: But my husband is from the state that you're from,
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  Speaker 4: which is very popular right now. Very hot state. You
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  Speaker 4: can feel it about to start.
• 8:40
  Speaker 3: We're in the last days of Taylor Frankie Paul is
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  Speaker 3: nailing the coffin herself.
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  Speaker 4: Was Waco the one? Yeah, it feels Waco-y.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it does feel a little David Koresh.
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  Speaker 4: Well, she's in there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Or what was the one Ruby Ridge? It feels Ruby Ridge.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, the Idaho thing.
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  Speaker 4: Where it's like, should we just leave her alone? And
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  Speaker 4: then she posts something crazy and it's like, we should
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  Speaker 4: just line up outside her house.
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  Speaker 3: They probably have the– what arm of the government is it?
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  Speaker 3: It's the– ATF. ATF, that's right.
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  Speaker 4: My memory is amazing right now. That's very good. I
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  Speaker 4: remembered both of the things that came up.
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  Speaker 3: I would have to go through like– Seven different acronyms
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  Speaker 3: before I got to ATF.
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  Speaker 4: Did you see the video of Taylor Frankie Paul's assistant
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  Speaker 4: doing a day in the life?
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 4: So it's like, come with me as I do my
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  Speaker 4: job as Taylor Frankie Paul's personal assistant. And it's that
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  Speaker 4: she goes to, I think BJ's. It wasn't Costco. Stocks
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  Speaker 4: up on a Lonnie. The caffeine.
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  Speaker 3: Of course.
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  Speaker 4: The mother's caffeine soda.
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  Speaker 3: I've seen Taylor carrying that around on the show.
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  Speaker 4: Yes. And then she picks up, she goes to a P.O. box,
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  Speaker 4: I think and brings in a bunch of packages.
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  Speaker 3: Fan mail?
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  Speaker 4: Just like knives and like powders. And then she grabs
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  Speaker 4: one of Taylor's Stanley mugs and fills it with ice
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  Speaker 4: and then pours a bunch of Alani's into it. And
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  Speaker 4: then gives a thumbs up to camera.
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  Speaker 3: That's the day in the life.
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  Speaker 4: No, she also picks up Taylor Frankie Paul's children's toys
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  Speaker 4: and puts it away. And it was like– Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Well, how many– I feel like you can probably like–
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  Speaker 3: your body can handle probably two of Alani's a day.
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  Speaker 4: It does explain her posting behavior. Yeah. The like AI content.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I haven't seen the AI content. The last thing
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  Speaker 3: I saw was that she's renting out her basement apartment.
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  Speaker 4: That I also saw– Which is crazy because the proof
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  Speaker 4: that people posted was like, that doesn't look like the
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  Speaker 4: same place.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yes. I got really confused because I was like, wait,
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  Speaker 3: I literally didn't even know they were trying to post
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  Speaker 3: proof because the images were so clearly two different homes.
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  Speaker 4: It's a different home.
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  Speaker 3: I guess.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know. Oh. Maybe there is an address in
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  Speaker 4: the apartment listing. No, because why would you put the address?
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  Speaker 4: That's so stupid.
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  Speaker 3: So it's not her basement apartment or it's the basement
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  Speaker 3: apartment of a different house.
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  Speaker 4: I bet it's a basement apartment of a different house.
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  Speaker 3: That she owns.
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  Speaker 4: Your money goes further.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe that Leigh-Anne owns.
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  Speaker 4: They all lease. All of them lease.
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  Speaker 3: Well, Jen Affleck's in a new Airbnb.
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  Speaker 4: Leasing is the new owning. These girls are Airbnb-ing with
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  Speaker 4: Meemaw's wedding dress.
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  Speaker 3: But isn't that true of most reality stars?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, for shooting. I feel like these girls are always like,
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  Speaker 4: moving day. I'm like, you're moving from one dorm to another.
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  Speaker 3: When they say they're moving that often, it's like, well,
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  Speaker 3: it seems like your life is a disaster. No one
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  Speaker 3: moves that often unless there's like a– you're running from something.
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  Speaker 4: It's something to do. Something's wrong. We should move. Fuck,
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  Speaker 4: I'm pregnant.
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  Speaker 3: So I guess maybe she's not renting out the apartment.
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  Speaker 3: I would have loved to pounce on that opportunity. Can
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  Speaker 3: you imagine?
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  Speaker 4: That is who's your landlord if you're renting a basement in–
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  Speaker 4: where is she, Sandy?
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  Speaker 1: No.
• 12:15
  Speaker 3: See, this is the other thing about Secret Lives of
• 12:18
  Speaker 3: Mormon Wives. Constantly the chyron says Salt Lake City and
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  Speaker 3: then what they show is Provo.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Every time.
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  Speaker 4: And Catholic churches.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and Catholic churches, which makes– I have a huge
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  Speaker 3: beef with that issue.
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  Speaker 4: A close-up of Notre Dame.
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  Speaker 3: They're showing all these crosses and stuff. They're missing just
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  Speaker 3: like the most basic iconography.
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  Speaker 4: Two Carmelite nuns walking, rosaries swinging.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, they've got to put me in charge. But I
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  Speaker 3: think the show is basically done. They've all jumped ship.
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  Speaker 4: The girls are all going to be humanely euthanized.
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  Speaker 3: What do you do with people like that after this thing?
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  Speaker 3: They're all 25.
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  Speaker 4: They go on Traitors and they go on the other
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  Speaker 4: shows that need girls.
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  Speaker 3: Do you watch the Traitors?
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  Speaker 4: I can't get into it. I don't like freeform socializing
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  Speaker 4: in general. And so the first episode, you really just
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  Speaker 4: do have to watch it. 16 people move into a house.
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  Speaker 4: I guess I don't like people moving.
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  Speaker 3: Here's the thing. This is my biggest issue with it
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  Speaker 3: is they don't live there.
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  Speaker 4: What are you talking about?
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  Speaker 3: When I found this out, the way that the bottom
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  Speaker 3: of that thing fell out for me. Where do they go?
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  Speaker 3: Some motel by the airport. That's one of the reasons
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  Speaker 3: I would watch a reality show is to watch these
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  Speaker 3: people trapped together. I mean, I feel like that's where
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  Speaker 3: the most interesting dynamics come from.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 4: I guess it would be a lot easier to get
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  Speaker 4: people there if they knew they had their own bathroom. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: They wouldn't be filmed. They wouldn't be filmed while sleeping.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 4: Only be filmed when camera ready.
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  Speaker 3: But that's just a basic part of reality TV.
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  Speaker 4: Would you rather have more exciting cast people or they
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  Speaker 4: all live there and it's we get who we get?
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  Speaker 3: I think you'd end up with more freaks this way.
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  Speaker 4: Do you like freaks?
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: But freaks get shy on camera.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I don't think this sort of freaks.
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  Speaker 4: Have you ever seen a dad at a wedding? The
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  Speaker 4: craziest dad is sitting there with his hands in his lap.
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  Speaker 4: That's crazy people.
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  Speaker 3: Have we lost the spirit of like the real world
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  Speaker 3: where these people show up and are happy to be
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  Speaker 3: on camera and living in a house together?
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: I guess it's because it is really a job now.
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  Speaker 3: So it's really a thing where you want to be
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  Speaker 3: the professional version of the reality star.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. No one is showing up on reality TV without
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  Speaker 4: having an agent or a lawyer look at something. It
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  Speaker 4: used to just be like, shit, yeah, I'm free.
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  Speaker 3: I've got the summer.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: But– Yeah, the show truly leads you to believe they
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  Speaker 3: live there. They say, we're going to bed. Then they
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  Speaker 3: go up the stairs.
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  Speaker 4: I need to know, do they share vans to the motel?
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  Speaker 3: Right. Are they allowed to talk to each other at
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  Speaker 3: the motel? They probably aren't.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, is it like the OJ jury?
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  Speaker 3: It's probably exactly like the OJ jury. The stakes are
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  Speaker 3: just as high.
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  Speaker 4: It's so good.
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  Speaker 3: But they probably do use the same tech. You'd have to.
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  Speaker 4: Imagine how lackadaisical the crew must be.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, everybody there is just like, what?
• 15:17
  Speaker 4: Where am I? Nothing makes me crankier than a British crew.
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: Some low-budget Scottish crew.
• 15:24
  Speaker 4: Why are you smiling? Why are you smiling?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'm sad to hear you don't like the traitors.
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  Speaker 3: I don't like about 50% of the show when they're
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: doing a physical challenge because the games are so convoluted.
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  Speaker 3: It's like.
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  Speaker 3: I just lose– I have no idea what's going on ever.
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  Speaker 4: Is it like Survivor where they do puzzles that stand up?
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  Speaker 3: Sort of, yeah. But then there will be like four
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  Speaker 3: other elements and then they're trying to collect some sort
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  Speaker 3: of object. I tune out. I wait for that part
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  Speaker 3: to be over.
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  Speaker 4: Fast forward through it or you let it play?
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  Speaker 3: Do I fast forward? I let it play. It's just
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  Speaker 3: my free looking at my phone time, I guess.
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  Speaker 4: That's for Bridger.
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  Speaker 3: And then I'm locked in.
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  Speaker 4: I won't rush you. You won't rush me.
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: What are you consuming?
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: Couples therapy.
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: Oh.
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  Speaker 3: See, when that comes out, I just blow through it.
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: Well, I somehow completely forgot the end of season one
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  Speaker 4: or just didn't finish it.
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  Speaker 3: What happens?
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: I don't. I know that now Annie and Mal are divorced.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: Because I am on the subreddit. I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Most of these people are divorced.
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  Speaker 4: Everyone should be. Be divorced. I think everyone should get
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: married and then everyone should also get divorced except for us.
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like almost every couple on that. But
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: I feel like, of course, you are.
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Who do you like on that show? Or who
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: do you hate the most?
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: There's no chance I'm going to be able to think
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: of a single one of these people. There's the guy
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: who's obsessed with his birthday. Do you remember this guy?
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: That's Mal.
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: That's the one who lost his mind that she didn't.
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: Celebrate it, right?
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: That she threw him a big orgy and he was like,
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: you did it wrong.
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: Yes, I couldn't stand him.
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: He's really bad.
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: He seems like a genuinely prison-bound scumbag.
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: He owns a restaurant.
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: Oh, of course.
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: He and Annie owned a restaurant together.
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: A restaurant with black toilets.
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: Oh, just, and there's 3M tape on the bathroom wall,
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: nothing on top of it, just the tape. The idea
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: of soap. I really, I have trouble with them.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: But they're very clippable. If you follow the Couples Therapy
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: YouTube channel, they're always clipping. The Couples Therapy channel on
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: YouTube will make super cuts that are like five of
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: the biggest pieces of shit who have ever been on
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: the show. And it's like, or like Dr. Orna locks
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: horns with narcissists. And then it shows it and then
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: It's still like the show is produced by therapists. I'm like,
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: where is the law?
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: That part feels tough because if you just watch the show,
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: I mean outside of– there's some ethical things just falling
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: apart because you're on camera.
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: I love that that show exists. I do think it's
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: doing a public good. I think it's Sesame Street for adults.
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: It's like showing you what things could be.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: It makes you feel– so much better about your relationship.
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: Oh, my God. It also makes me more patient with
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: other people in public. Like, anytime I'm like, those people
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: are driving crazy. I'm like, some of them are married
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: to people that they baseline despise.
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: And, like, I would also drive insane. The man in the.
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: Thruple may have burned down part of California.
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: I love the man in the thruple. If you go
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: on the Couples Therapy subreddit, there are people posting, I
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: used to live with him because their apartment was one
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: of those, like, revolving door, like... What do they call
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: it where it's like if you live here, like you
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: have to eat dinner with us and you have chores.
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: Oh, Flophouse?
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Flophouse. Fancy Flophouse.
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: What is that? It's like a it's not a commune.
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: It's like co-work, co-living space, cohabitating.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: Flophouse. Yeah.
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: But that like he would never do his chores and
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: he also wouldn't eat meals with them. And then he
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: was a piece of shit. And I was like, yeah,
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: Actually, this sounds like me when I first moved to L.A.
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: I lived with a couple and their baby, and they
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: were very upset that I didn't want to eat dinner
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: with them.
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: That's crazy. They were insane. How did you find them?
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: Craigslist. Everything about it was very poor decision-making on my part.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: I think I was because they needed to rent out
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: this room.
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: And it was clear that these were two people who
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: had spent a lot of time in the club scene
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: in the 90s, both of them extremely tan and were
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: probably like the money was drying up. So it was like, well,
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: let's find a guy on Craigslist to take the room
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: across from the baby.
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: You really do have– Perfect Craigslist roommate written all over
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: your face. If you came to the Starbucks to meet
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: up with me, I'd say jackpot.
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: Well, I hadn't even met them. I had a phone
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: call while walking through a Walmart in Sandy, Utah with
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: one of them. And that's how we confirmed that I'd
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: be staying with them.
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: And how long after that phone call were you there?
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: I don't know, a month, maybe three weeks. Not long.
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: What was their house like?
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: It's now demolished. It was right behind Magnolia Bakery on
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: 3rd Street. It was like a part of a duplex
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: or something. And they had a giant signed poster of
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: Crazy Town, the band.
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: Did they ever explain how they knew Crazy Town?
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: I pretty quickly just tried to shut down any communication
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: with them. But, of course, I was so curious.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: You know Crazy Town. How do you guys know each other?
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: Where is that conversation going? Just go in your room.
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: Why does Crazy Town have a six-foot-tall poster?
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: Did they ever, like, ask you, hey, would you mind
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: kind of keeping an eye on the baby?
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: No.
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: I was only there for three months. And they were
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: almost immediately mad at me because I didn't want to
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: pay $ 150 a week for groceries.
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: You were there— answer to a lot of problems.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: And then not.
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: You did not fulfill.
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: They were so mad when I left, but they still
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: made me take pictures of the whole place and post
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: it on Craigslist.
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: You work there. Not only are you one of their children,
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: you're also their realtor.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: It was so great.
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: Three months is so long.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: Oh, it felt like forever. And you can't be mad
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: at me. I didn't have a year lease. I can
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: leave whenever I want.
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: I'm a scary man.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: I'm a scary... I'm... I'm a nobody's person. I could,
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: you know, you just let me into your house. I
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: could be a ghost.
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: I'm a nobody's person.
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: It's entirely their fault.
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: How do you feel about the like trend of plays
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: in Los Angeles that are like haunted?
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: I saw, I did see Paranormal Activity, the play.
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: I did too. Guess what? I loved it.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: Had a wonderful time.
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: I brought up this trend like I didn't like the trend.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: Are there more of them?
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: There was one called 222, A Ghost Story.
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: That was pretty similar.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: Was it scary?
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: It came out a year before. It was terrifying.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: I couldn't believe I was scared by a play.
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: Oh, my God. We screamed. People behind me on a
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: date screamed.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: I will say that part of the fear came from
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: the fact that the first hour is whispering. And then
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: the moment you hear anything above a whisper, of course,
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: you're going to be terrified.
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: I just think it's scary when people go into a house.
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: I'm like, as we've established.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: I love haunted houses. I love them, too. I love
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: a little bit of spookiness. And there aren't enough haunted
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: house movies or at least the type of haunted houses
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: I like.
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: It's not enough. What was your favorite?
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: I don't like a new build. I don't. I don't
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: think that that's— You think.
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: That makes your original— you like an old haunted house?
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: I prefer kind of a hacky old haunted house.
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: Did you like Haunting of Hill House?
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: The TV show?
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: I love the book. I love the original movie. And
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: I don't like when maybe it's our trauma.
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: I think I need to give it another chance because
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: people loved it so much. You liked it.
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: I loved it. My experience with it was very much
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: my experience of Stephen King where the cynical part of
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: me is like, this is corny. But then every other
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: part of me is like absolutely riveted and so happy
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: and ready to make fan art. It's so scary.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: Is it? Just tell me this. Is there like... A
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: chance that it's actually ghosts in the show, or is
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: it just it is our trauma? Because if it is
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: our trauma, I'm not watching it.
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: That is such a good question. I'm trying to remember.
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: It's both.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: I need at least one real visitor from the other side.
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: They're all real.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: It might be kind of both where it is ghosts,
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: but the thing we need to do is face the thing.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: Uh-huh.
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: But also, like, it doesn't have a— I wouldn't say it
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: has a happy ending.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: It's quite scary. Do you like scary scary?
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: I like scary.
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: It is quite scary.
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: I just like real ghosts.
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: The ghosts are fucking real, Richard. You could reach out
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: and not touch these things. They're scary ass.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: They're going around. They're being all crazy.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: Being all crazy.
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: There are also– there's a lot of great like misdirects
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: of like, oh, we're going to find out that the
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: ghost was just this thing. And then you find out
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: that it.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: Wasn't that way. Oh.
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: Like mold.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: Oh, and I've heard that like if you go back,
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: they're like things you don't see through the first thing,
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: spooky things.
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: One of my favorite Jezebel articles is here are all
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: the ghosts you missed in Haunting of Hill House. And
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: it's like a slideshow of 40 pictures. And that to me,
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: that Jezebel article is one of the scariest movies I've
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: ever seen. Oh. Just looking at a blurry background actor
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: who's wearing like CVS face paint kind of behind a plant.
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: I don't feel safe.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: Have you seen the trailer for his new adaptation of Carrie?
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: No.
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: Looks tough.
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: I don't want to see that world with cell phones.
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: I don't like plucky female characters written by men.
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: That's where you and I are different.
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: Because they're like, what's her want? And I'm like, have
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: you ever met a teenage girl? None of them want anything.
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: None of them want anything. And I don't want to
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: hear your guess. I'd rather hear somebody else's guess. We're
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: all making it up.
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: This seems like it's going to be a nightmare for
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: you then. Unless he didn't write it, I don't know.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: But I think he does it all.
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: I don't mind him. I like that his wife is
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: so pretty. Oh, who's his wife? It's part of it.
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: Kate Siegel. She plays the one with the touch, with
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: the glove. Oh, you didn't see Haunting of Hill House.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: Oh, no.
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: She's in all the stuff.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: Her name's Katie.
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: Kate Siegel.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: Because then there's Katie.
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: There's not Katie Segal.
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: No, Katie Segal.
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: No.
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: Right, who I love.
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: None of the people that I've been trashing this episode
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: are famous enough to deserve it.
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: Katie Segal is also married to the guy who did,
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: who created the motorcycle show. Oh, my God. We've got
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: to move on.
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: Sons of Anarchy.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: And she has a show. She had a pilot out.
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: Did it get picked up?
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: I have no idea.
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: Notalia Leone.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: Was it like a– Someone else.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: We wish Katie the best.
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: We wish Katie the best.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: Peg Bundy.
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: Peg.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: You went to Utah.
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: You went to JCPenney.
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: I went to JCPenney. I went with my husband and
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: my in-laws and– To the basement of a JCPenney at
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: a hot 6 p.m. on a Monday. We got there
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: at 5.58 and sprinted.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: It closed at 6?
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: No, it closed at 7, but our appointment was at 6.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: Oh, the photo studio closed at 7.
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: Photo studio closed at 7. Okay. We were in the
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: basement of the mall near the hair area.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: Yes, did you smell the conditioner?
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: No, because no one's getting their hair washed in the
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: basement of a Macy's at this point. All the people
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: who would do that died during COVID. They're not doing it.
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: They're putting on filters and calling it a day. No
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: one's getting a condition at the South Town Center shopping center.
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: Some dank basement.
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: I almost bought stuff. I was like, what am I doing?
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: Like me and my sister-in-law looking at like the bobble
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: hair things that are like look like phone cords.
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: Oh, I don't know what this is.
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: I was like, that's a good price. Like none of
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: the prices had been updated since before COVID.
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: I got a lot of back to school outfits in
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: that basement of that mall, of that JCPenney.
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: What is the emotional color of that JCPenney as you're
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: thinking about it now?
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: I would say kind of a like sandblasted blue.
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: Couldn't be more accurate. I will share with you the
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: photos that were taken because the woman who met us
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: there was the most professional, organized person. Clear-visioned person I've
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: ever encountered.
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: I think Penny's is doing a great job of hiring
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: because I went to the one at the Americana and
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: got some pictures taken by Giancarlo. He was wonderful.
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: Was he great?
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: Couldn't have been better.
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: I'm thrilled to hear this because we did opt to
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: have a membership as opposed to paying.
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: There's a membership?
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: And all you can eat? If we paid.
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: If we paid for the photos, it would have been
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: like $ 14, 000 because there were 10 of us. But she
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: was like, if you get a membership, it's like 50 bucks.
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: We were like, what? And she was like, I don't know.
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: And so we did it and now we like can
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: get free photo or like it's free. I don't know.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: This is actually a great idea because digital photos don't
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: cost them anything. No. If you paid– I would pay
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: 50 bucks a month to go to Penny's– once a
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: month to get my photo taken.
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: It's just good to know.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: I'm looking into this. It's great. Penny's reach out.
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: Penny's. We're ready. It'd be so alarming to hear JCPenney
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: as a podcast sponsor. Like, whoa, do I not understand?
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: Where'd this money come from?
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: I don't know anything. Who's gay at JCPenney?
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: Well, I think we need to talk about something else.
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: You brought a gift. This is your third time on
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: the podcast. Just refuse to stop.
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: Should we open it here?
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: I think so.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: Let's see here.
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: There's one item in there that's a little.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: Should I take them both out at the same time?
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: No.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: There's one that's an object and one that's more of
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: a paper.
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: Take the paper first.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: It's a bumper sticker that says, I met Elvis at
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: Haley and Henry's wedding.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: Show the people.
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: Thank you. You should produce the show.
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: I should. I'm going to get into TV. Look at that.
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: My friends had the most beautiful wedding and they flew
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: in an Elvis impersonator who, shock of the lifetime alert,
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: Has good politics. Whoa. Wrote a song about how Bernie
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: Sanders is awesome.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: You're flying in an Elvis impersonator from Vegas for your
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: wedding and you find a political song on his profile
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: and aren't horrified?
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: That's crazy. He was amazing. Do we know his name?
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: I don't.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: No, I don't want to get sued.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: Jim worked with an Elvis impersonator on tour in Les Mis.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: It's very high. The competition is very, I mean, like
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: it's high stakes for Elvis impersonators.
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: I don't. I don't want to be there.
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: Very. I imagine people train their entire lives to become
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: an Elvis impersonator.
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: It's really hard, too, because with the impersonating game, they
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: age out of it at a certain point.
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: Oh, interesting, because you can't live past the dying on
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: the toilet. We don't know what Elvis looked like after that.
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: That would be a really great Elvis to get for
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: your wedding. We got Hunk of Burn in Love, but
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: I want to see the Elvis who's just fumbling around
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: for pills in a bath mat. That, it was amazing.
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: It was the most entertaining thing. The bride's grandmother, who
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: had had surgery two months before, got up and danced
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: with Elvis.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: And looked so happy.
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: Did he have a band? Or did he just play guitar?
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: No, they were piping in. Oh, okay. They had the
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: karaoke track.
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: Oh, this makes sense. This makes sense.
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: It was great. It was really good.
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: How many songs did he do?
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: A good amount. It didn't feel too long. Okay. It
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: did not feel too short.
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: And it was a thing where you didn't have to...
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: Be a captive audience. You could dance.
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: We could dance. I will say that it was at
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: the L.A. River Center.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: Which is an old Lowry's seasoning factory.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: Oh, I like to hear that.
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: That is now a beautiful courtyard. It's a good wedding venue. Okay.
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: But it was very spacious. So it felt like there
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: weren't a ton of people watching him. So it felt
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: like Elvis was giving it all for like a couple
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: of folks, even though it was like 150 people.
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: That's probably a lot of his experience.
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: He was not a fan. I mean, he saw that
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: there was a woman who previously couldn't walk, who then
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: leapt to her feet and was dancing. And he was like,
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: I'm fine. I'm fine. I don't.
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: He's healed this woman.
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: He's great. I took a picture of them.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: Did you talk to him at all?
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: No.
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: I wondered, like, does he stay in character when he's
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: talking to people?
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: I think he bridges the gap. Because my friends– we
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: took a picture with him and it was like a–
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: or it was like– he didn't– I don't think he
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: said thank you very much, which feels crazy.
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a missed opportunity.
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: But he was bridging– he was still– he wasn't breaking character.
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: But when– at the end of the picture when he
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: was like, thanks for coming, you could tell he was
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: looking at us with his eyes.
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: You could see a human in there.
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: You could see the human in there past the goofy mouth.
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: You could see the eyes. And– But he wasn't breaking
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: the facade.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: The Elvis oath.
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: I really appreciate it.
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: Did it look like he had had surgery to become
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: Elvis or was he just naturally born?
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: I mean, so much of the work is done by
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: the hair and the white jumpsuit and the glasses.
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh, if you got the glasses on.
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: The key is to be an impersonator of someone whose
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: face is completely obscured.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: Because then you can really ride that.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: Jason Voorhees.
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: You know, you remembered his last name. That's a big deal.
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: Why am I able to remember his name and I
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: can't remember Christian Bale?
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: But you did.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: You remembered it just now from before.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: I've committed it to memory. Maybe I'll remember him forever.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: I am incapable of giving a gift without putting a
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: little thing in it.
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: I know because the first time you were on, you
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: gave me a button that says I need attention and
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: it's been on my bag. Up until just recently because
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: it fell off in a restaurant and I panicked.
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: Oh, I'm sorry.
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: No, I've got it back. But I'm not putting it
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: back on the bag because I'm worried about it coming
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: loose again.
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, when you said you put it on the bag,
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: I was picturing the loose, rusty knife of the back
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: of a pen.
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just not sturdy. I guess I could hot
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: glue it or something. That feels phony.
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: Someone write in.
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: Somebody must know how to secure a button to a bag. Well,
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: this is– so Elvis just shows up mid-wedding and starts singing.
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: Not mid-wedding. At the end of the night.
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: Oh, at the end of the night. Perfect.
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: Perfect.
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: Had there already been dancing?
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: So he's really performing to a tired group.
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: I couldn't have given you a falser impression. It really
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: was when there was just enough them left in the people. Yeah.
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: Where it was kind of like then instead of people
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: getting drunker, Elvis came in. Where Elvis was the idea
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: of a fourth drink.
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: Oh, interesting.
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: That's a good comparison. So he was the naughty treat.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: Are you an Elvis listener?
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: I've heard.
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: Would you like get on Spotify or whatever and be like,
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: time for Elvis?
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: God, we did it once on a road trip. Jason
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: worked on... So there was an animated show called Agent King. Okay.
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: That was on– oh, no. They changed it to Agent
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: Elvis at the last minute. Produced by Priscilla Presley.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: Oh, good.
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: She voices herself as a 12-year-old.
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: What?
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: It came out under the cover of Night. No one
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: has seen it. The character design is awesome. There's cool–
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: like the voice actors are– I want to look at
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: this thing. The guy who voices SpongeBob voiced Elvis' monkey.
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: This is like a real thing.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: Tom Kenny voices the chimp. Johnny Knoxville had a really
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: big part.
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: And Elvis is voiced by Matthew McConaughey.
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: What was this even on?
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: My nightmares. No, it was.
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: It looks like it was Niecy Nash.
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the cast is great. It looks great. That was
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: my 2022 was hearing my dear husband not break a
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: sweat while instructing a famous person how to set up
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: a Zoom recording. That's scary.
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: That's terrifying.
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: That's a lot.
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: I once had a meeting on, which I thought was
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: going to be Zoom, ended up being Google Meets. And
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: then the more powerful people on the other side had
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: to walk me through how to use Google Meets for
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: 20 minutes. And then I had a, later that day,
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: had a full nervous breakdown.
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: I'm so sorry. It's always the little things.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: I feel like I'm all over the place with Elvis
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: and weddings, etc.
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: We're good. There will be plenty in this.
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: Let's get into it.
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: I think.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: I have a feeling.
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God. There is so much going on here.
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: There's a lot going on here.
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: First of all, it's brand new. This is from– because
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: it has the sticker on it still. So I know
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: where it's from. And a lot of the things here
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: are used because it's from Deseret Industries. And, listener, if
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: you're not aware, Deseret Industries is a thrift store owned
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: by the Mormon Church mostly through Utah, probably locations in
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: Wyoming and Idaho, and– One in L.A., which I found
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: out too late. In Pasadena?
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: Downtown.
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: It feels like a glitch in the system or something.
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: It's like, why is there a D.I. in downtown Los Angeles?
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: Beautiful.
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: And it feels like the D.I.
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: Really?
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: They fly in the clothes every day.
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: The first time I got a whiff of it was
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: there was a DI, like, storage unit on the Warner
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: Brothers lot. And I was like, what has happened? Like,
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: what's an Inception-style dream nightmare? That's back rooms.
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: But, okay, so that's what we're looking at here is
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: a notebook that's branded for– doTERRA which do you want.
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: To explain or you want me to I can try
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: okay I'd like to hear what you it's it's the
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: state song of Utah to explain what doTERRA is so
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: you know it better than I do but it is
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: a um multi-level marketing company that sells is it essential
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: oils or smells.
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: Wow I thought it was uh one of the drinks I.
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: Think it smells it's probably smells doTERRA yeah fragrance earth
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: earth Yeah, I think it's like fragrance diffusers.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: Actually, now that you say that, I feel like I've
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: had one of those in a place I've lived in
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: at some point, like somebody left on the curb.
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: There's no chance that you haven't. It sounds like based
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: on the living situations you've had in the past. Somebody
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: was putting in a plug-in pink hunk of rock.
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: Oh, did these– What do these look like? Do you know?
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: I don't. I am at the end of my knowledge
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: about doTERRA.
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: I feel like the essential oils thing that just came
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: into my life was shaped like a Hershey kiss.
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: Does that make sense?
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and it has like a scary little smoke.
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: Coming out of the top. Yeah, like a genie lamp
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: or something.
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: It looks like in a movie when someone gets poisoned
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: by gas.
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: Like, oh, no, I'm going to fall asleep. But the
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: other thing to know about this notebook is that it
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: was on an end cap. So like at the end
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: of an aisle where it has the little shelves there. Oh,
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: of course, yes. Where every single shelf was full of those.
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: And so what I'm assuming is it's for people who
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: get recruited by doTERRA to sell doTERRA. And this is
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: the notebook they use when they're learning. Because what does
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: it say?
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: It says pursue what's pure.
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: Pursue what's pure.
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: Okay. Established 2008.
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: You can open it. So look at the paper. The
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: paper is a little bit glossy. I've gotten a little
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: bit into journaling. From what I understand, it's not great
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: for journaling because the paper is a little glossy.
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: Smudgy.
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: The ink is going to move around. Yeah. It's not
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: going to bleed.
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: It'll just be in the. disaster for your ancestors to
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: look at.
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: It's a notebook made for not writing in a notebook.
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: I think the color is beautiful though.
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: See, I have no problem with this texture of paper. Really?
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: Can I feel it again? Because I bought myself one.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that isn't... I was expecting like poster level slick
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: and that feels.
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: That's not bad at all.
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: If you've got just a standard pen, I think I could...
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: I think it's good.
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: I like a gel. Yeah, if you're writing.
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: With a You know, a Bic.
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: A Bic, yeah.
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: Throw a Bic on there.
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: And it's dotted, or it's dotted lines.
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, probably for the.
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: It's not bullet journal, but it makes you think that
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: it is.
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm wondering. No, it is doTERRA. It's not dot-terra.
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: Whoa, because of the dots.
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: I like that non-standard line. Oh, okay, and now did
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: you see the little message it has?
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: No.
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: On the inside cover it says, shine... I guess shine
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: is something. Shine celebrates the power of small actions to
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: sparkle incredible growth and lasting change. You have the power
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: to spread healing and hope, lighting the way for others
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: to follow. Shine boldly as you embrace your light within
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: and inspire those around you to do the same. So
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: is shine like a sister brand or like another product?
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: No, I think shine, it must be like the... keystone
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: of their employee training and like company culture about like it.
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: Feels like you've been contacted by doTERRA no.
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: I've worked in in hotels oh sure and it is
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: the like I worked for a company that had desks
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: in hotels so I floated between Sheridan's and Hilton's and
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: like so I got to see the like posters that
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: they have in the break room that are like Here
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: at Sheraton, we believe honor, loyalty, family, trust. And they
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: all have a different thing. And Shine, yeah, Shine is
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: a catchier version.
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: Of it, I guess. It makes me feel like there's
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: nothing worse at a job than when your manager comes
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: back from a conference or a company thing and they
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: have some new thing.
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: Like, everyone come with me. We're going on a field trip.
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: And it's always, like, to the basement.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: Oh, God. Whenever I hear somebody say welcome in, I'm
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: just like flashing back to like patient zero probably in 2014.
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: Some manager coming back from a conference. It's like we're
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: now saying this. Psychologists have proven that saying welcome in
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: is more comforting for customers or whatever.
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: I never noticed welcome in.
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: Oh, there was a big shift. At some point, a
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: book is going to be written about how it suddenly
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: was just what people said.
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: Retail greetings. Yeah. Go to grad school for retail greetings.
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: Oh, there we go.
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: The history of retail. Yeah. Go to grad school.
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: Because I think it used to just be welcome or hi.
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: How can I help you?
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: Hi there. I think I would say hi there.
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I worked at the Apple store, and I think
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: it was just approaching people and saying, how's it going?
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: And then disappointing them with my absolute lack of knowledge.
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: How's it going? It's terrible. I'm at the Apple store.
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: Can you help me?
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: No.
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: I own an iPod and nothing else.
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: I'm wearing a T-shirt.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: I still have some of those T-shirts.
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: Are they soft?
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: They are soft. They're from the American apparel era of
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: company T-shirts.
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: A nice feel.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: But nipples are always visible on a man. I don't
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: like that.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: I don't mind it.
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: I don't want to know that men have those, unfortunately.
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: I want a thick shirt on a boy. It's okay
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: if there's body there.
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: I just don't want to— You don't want to see it.
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: Call me old-fashioned. I don't like a thin shirt on
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: a man.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: I think it's great.
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: I don't want to know that a man is wearing
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: a rayon blend.
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: Oh, a rayon blend. No, no, no, no, no.
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: You know when the shirt has like a little shiny,
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: like tender, tiny spider fabric in the weave and you
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: can just see the shiny?
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: Like golf fabric or something.
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: Golf fabric, yes.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: If I pick up a shirt like that's made out
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: of a sports material, I'm dropping it immediately.
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: Get out of here.
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: Just give me cotton.
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: Just give me cotton. Did you know that caring about
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: things having cotton or not is millennial cringe?
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: Oh, interesting. Like millennials just want 100 percent cotton.
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: When they do an impression of us, they're like, what's
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: the fabric?
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: That's interesting to me because I feel like millennials were very–
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: were the ones who opened the door to having 1
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: percent spandex in the denim.
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: Millennial means a lot of things.
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: There's a lot going on. It's too early for millennials
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: to be under attack. I feel like Gen X should
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: still be a target. We're still fighting.
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah. We're still out there.
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: I think because it felt like getting around to attacking
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: boomers took a long time.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: They were like in their 60s before they were under attack.
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: Why? Because we wore our hearts on our sleeves?
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: Well, maybe that's– we exposed ourselves. We were too intimate
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: too quickly.
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: That's fair. That's weird. Yeah. Yeah.
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: And now we're being chased by just bloodthirsty 20-year-olds.
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: Do you think MLMs are having a trouble with Gen
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: Z that they don't know how to make conversation the
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: way that previous generations do?
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: Oh, interesting. And they don't have friends. Oh, so they're
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: not able to spread it out to each other. I wonder.
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: That's interesting because I feel like MLM probably now works
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: better online. I think it's easier to sell a phony
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: product when the customer's not interacting with it until it's
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: in their home.
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: I did forget about that, that LuLaRoe, a lot of
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: that was online.
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: Classic example. They had the stinky pants.
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: I'm so behind. Have you ever gone on TikTok and
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: like look at the thing your friends send you and
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: scroll one and it's a live of like Two really
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: desperate looking people in a house with like purple lights
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: and they're holding up dolls. They're like this one. And
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: there's like an auction going on. You don't understand what's
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: going on. But every single time you open TikTok and
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: you scroll past the thing your friend sent you, it's
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: another subculture you didn't know about.
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: I feel like they were doing these sales with like
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: pearls or.
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they're like girls who dress up like mermaids who
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: are like, I'm opening this clam.
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: And you maybe bid on it before it got opened?
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: Is that what happened? What could possibly be going on
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: in the world?
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: This is the worst memento. What was the thing I
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: watched with their girls who were mermaids?
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: The last thing I saw live on TikTok was none
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: other than Leanne, Taylor Frankie Paul's mom, on live talking
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: to probably a total of four people. It was a
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: tough scene.
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: I don't like seeing older people hustle for an audience.
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: It's not fair.
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: I want them to be immune.
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah. A friend was just talking about how he was
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: home with his family and saw his– this sort of
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: thing truly does break my heart– saw his mom was
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: probably 75 looking at the likes on her post, like
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: who had liked her post.
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: It's worse than seeing like a kid looking at an
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: iPad for hours.
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: Way worse. It's so sad. Because it's like you shouldn't
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: have ever had to deal with this.
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: It does feel like the chimp documentary where you're watching
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: the chimp smoke a cigarette and watch a YouTube video
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: of other chimps. When I see my parents just addicted
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: to their phones, I'm like, oh, God.
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: What have we done?
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: Devastating. I mean, I just don't know why it's so
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: particularly horrifying.
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: They have no immunity.
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: It hit them so surprised.
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah. In a way, like, and in its worst form,
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: it's like, I feel like we at least got like
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: MySpace when it was kind of a fun.
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, where the idea was like, these are people.
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: Right. And they got just this curdled evil thing that's
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: just like, just like being sort of pure toxic waste
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: rather than like being. Having it slowly introduced to your diet.
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: There's no safe level of lead for children. There's no
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: safe level of Facebook reels for boomers.
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: Who do you think is buying meta glasses?
• 49:10
  Speaker 4: That is a great question.
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: Who in the world?
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: I think it's people who go to the Americana or
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: who drive really fast.
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: Maybe the second. I'm at the Americana all the time.
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: You know what it is? There are ads for the
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: Metaglasses at the Americana. When you leave the AMC, you
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: look out and just see a big.
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: And you're like, is this going to work for them?
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: It doesn't. I just don't like can't imagine any human
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: being being like now I'm going to give the company
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: money for any product.
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: Let alone like a thing that's going to make you
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: socially stand out in the weirdest way.
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: I think like maybe they can get influencers to start
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: using it because I have seen similar to body cam.
• 49:59
  Speaker 4: I've seen like a Scientology free run that's like from Metaglasses.
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: But like. So I was like, is it going to
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: catch on? Like, it's easier for them, but it's more
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: of like a tool. It would be like buying Photoshop.
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: That it's not, you're never going to be in your
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: own video. Right.
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: It's very like gift bag. It's very like, well, I
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: got it, you know, for free or whatever.
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: I straight up am remembering right now that I did
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: get it for free.
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: Oh, but you have the glasses?
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: No, but this was in like 20, this was pre-COVID.
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: It was like an... SNL, sometimes you'll show up and
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: there'll just be an Alexa on your desk and you're like,
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: who's that from? And they're like, EDME. You're like, I
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: don't know if I'm going to use that. And you're
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: just scared of it. But sometimes it's wine and you
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: give it to your neighbors. But I've never enjoyed any–
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: a single free.
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: Item like that?
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: Corporate item. No.
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: No.
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: I met a glass most of all.
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: And it was like corny. It was corn ass. It
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: was not cool.
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: No, of course it's not cool.
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: And there was like a big circle. It looked like
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: what you buy at a magic store. It was an
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: earlier iteration. I feel like they might still be in
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: my house somewhere unless I put it on the curb.
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: It's– also, it makes me wonder what was Google Glass
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: because that really seemed like everyone hated it.
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: Everyone was being so funny about it.
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: That like never even made it out the door.
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: It was the orange and the sort of space. They
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: were trying to look space.
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: Okay. But it was like the same concept, right? It
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: was just like having your phone on your face?
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the meta glasses, the appeal is that
• 51:43
  Speaker 4: you can– it seems focused on like the video capabilities.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: And that you can– like less about using it as
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: an interface and more about like I'm making content.
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: Actively collecting video data.
• 51:59
  Speaker 4: What I don't understand is that there is, like, a
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: pretty large subsection of people who see stuff like that
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: and don't then think, why don't we all just kill ourselves? Like,
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: that's most people. When I walk out of the AMZ
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: and I see that, I think there are some people
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: who look at that and don't think, let's all kill ourselves.
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: So many people feel that way. Most people.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: I'd say I'm in the minority. Absolutely. I don't think
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: most people think that, which is so interesting.
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: It's alarming.
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: What do they think? Oh, that's great. AI makes it
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: easier for me to do my job. Play out the
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: tape by three months. No? It's so cool. I can
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: let my computer do my work while I go and dance.
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: It's like, why do you think they paid for ad time?
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: I'm not saying they're stupid. I'm just saying I'm purely
• 52:59
  Speaker 4: observing that a lot of people don't find that crazy.
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I won't say who, but people within my life,
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: younger people, I will look at their Instagram and the
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: caption is clearly written by AI. And I just think,
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: so you just, like, I just can't get to a
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: place of like, I, my brain can't think of what
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: to say about the thing.
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: So I.
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: Have Instagram say it for me? Like, or, I don't know.
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: This is the first time I'm hearing that that's a thing.
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: It's very weird.
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: First of all, I think it's very young of you
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: to know when something's AI.
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: I'm very young.
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: I have no ability to know.
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: Wait, do you not, can you not tell?
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: I can do like the basic stuff.
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: Okay. I have like, I don't know, there's just something
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: about it that I can just, Jim sent me a
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: very cute video of a Rottweiler and a baby the
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: other day and I immediately, there was just enough of
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: the AI sheen. I was like, no, this is, This
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: is not real.
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: That is one of the things that I can tell
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: when the lighting is beautiful and golden and mid-century. I'm like, no.
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: But this was more insidious. This was closing in on
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: this looks like home video. And again, it's like, so
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: what psycho is creating this? What lunatic is like, now
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: I'm going to make the video of the baby and
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: the dog getting along. What satisfaction is there? You're like catfishing.
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: What?
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we should.
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: I do actually find it freeing because it's so all-encompassing
• 54:33
  Speaker 4: that I'm like, oh, I'll just do what I was
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: going to do anyway.
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no escape.
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: I'm canvassing, you know. I'm signing up for the canvas.
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: Did you get anything else at the DEI while you
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: were there?
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: I did. I got an espresso cup. For the John
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: Huntsman Memorial Dinner.
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: Oh, I think you sent a photo of this.
• 54:52
  Speaker 4: Yes, which is funny now. I didn't realize until now
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: that it's espresso.
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that doesn't.
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: It's a tiny cup.
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: Where are the Huntsman's morals?
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: They're drinking coffee.
• 55:03
  Speaker 4: Maybe it's tiny hot cocos.
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: Maybe tiny.
• 55:05
  Speaker 4: A hot cocoa flight.
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: Splash of cocoa.
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: A splash.
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: The Huntsman's kind of own Utah.
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: That name's all over Utah. I don't know where the
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: money came from. Chemicals?
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: The ground.
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: The ground, probably.
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: They dug up the ground near my in-laws and now
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: they all have asthma. Now the humans are drinking tiny cocoa.
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: I try to get a mug almost any time I
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: go there. I've gotten some good mugs there.
• 55:29
  Speaker 4: I sent you a picture of a mug that I
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: didn't get.
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: Which one was this?
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: It said Beth all over it in like crime scene font.
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: I can't believe I didn't get Beth, Beth, Beth, Beth.
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: I'm so mad you didn't.
• 55:43
  Speaker 4: The thing is I have so many mugs in my
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: Wayfair mug container thing that it will crash and kill
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: a dog for sure.
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: That's a point of contention in our home.
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: Too many mugs?
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I've been asked to stop buying mugs, but what
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: else am I going to put in my house?
• 56:00
  Speaker 4: Do you know what I saw? I don't know if
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: this does anything for you, but I saw on Pinterest
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: something that maybe is AI that was the little free
• 56:07
  Speaker 4: libraries for books that people build.
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: Someone made a mug library in front of their house
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: with hooks, and it's sizable.
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 56:15
  Speaker 4: And it's take a mug, leave a mug.
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: I mean, everything you're just saying, I'm now recognizing little
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: free libraries and mugs have absolutely got to be millennial cringe.
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: It's fine. Whatever.
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: They're going to absolutely destroy us for liking a good mug.
• 56:29
  Speaker 4: I think anything I say will be bad anyway. I
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: already thought that.
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: Before I got born.
• 56:36
  Speaker 4: Before I got born, I was like, this is about to–
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: I'm ready. It's not surprising to me that everything I
• 56:45
  Speaker 4: say is horrible. It's not crazy. I started there.
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: But I like the idea.
• 56:52
  Speaker 4: Me too.
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: Trade out the mugs.
• 56:54
  Speaker 4: Trade them out. It's fun.
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: I've got a few classics I'll never let go of.
• 56:58
  Speaker 4: Can you think of any of them?
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: I have one, a truly beautiful mug that says Wyoming
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: with a beautiful little picture of a bird, probably native
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: to Wyoming.
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: Gorgeous.
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: I have one.
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: This is Marilyn and then it describes what someone named
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: Marilyn would be like, kind of a nice little, you know,
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: sentences about Marilyn.
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: Is it sassy or is it nice?
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: It's more nice. It's more– I would say the feeling
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: is lavender.
• 57:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: I have a mug from Karl Malone's car dealership.
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: Karl Malone body and paint I think is what it
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: says on the side.
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: I think those are some good ones. I have one
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: from New York, New York in Vegas that says Richard
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: on it. Some good ones. Do you have any good ones?
• 57:41
  Speaker 4: We've got so many good ones.
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: It's weird how many good mugs there are.
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: Crazy how many good ones. I have one from the
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: Lizzie Borden Museum.
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: Oh, wow.
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: Which is her house.
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: And did you go to the museum?
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: I did. I went to a bachelorette party there.
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's great.
• 57:53
  Speaker 4: We stayed overnight. We did a ghost tour and then
• 57:55
  Speaker 4: they gave us the keys.
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: They let you stay in the house? Yes.
• 57:58
  Speaker 4: In the morning they gave us a breakfast of tiny
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: historical pancakes. And it was great. Everyone got really, really drunk.
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: And we did ghost hunting with two people who were
• 58:07
  Speaker 4: at the nearby Naval Academy who were keeping their relationship secret.
• 58:10
  Speaker 4: And this was their date. And then two girls wearing
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: shirts that said Team Lizzie didn't do it.
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: Did she? No, she did it. Yes. Of course she
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: did it.
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: Yes. But the thing is, the other mug, they had
• 58:22
  Speaker 4: another mug there that I didn't get because it was
• 58:24
  Speaker 4: so upsetting. That was a heat, you know, like the
• 58:26
  Speaker 4: heat changing mugs where you pour in hot cocoa or
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: whatever and it. Makes it turn into a picture. One
• 58:33
  Speaker 4: of the pictures, it would go from like a portrait
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: of her father to the crime scene photo of his
• 58:42
  Speaker 4: face cut in half where it just looks like worms.
• 58:47
  Speaker 4: Where you're like, is that what heads are? And we're like,
• 58:50
  Speaker 4: you're going to drink out of that? That's crazy.
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: Having breakfast.
• 58:53
  Speaker 4: Having breakfast.
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: While eating yogurt.
• 58:55
  Speaker 4: With your secret husband. So I got the Lizzie Borden
• 59:00
  Speaker 4: mug where she's just kind of looking a little scary.
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 59:02
  Speaker 4: And it's one of my husband's favorite mugs.
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: That sounds tasteful.
• 59:05
  Speaker 4: Really cute.
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll keep buying them. I don't care.
• 59:07
  Speaker 4: I'm not going to stop.
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: I truly have nothing else I need.
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: No.
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: I've got it all.
• 59:13
  Speaker 4: I've got it all.
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm so glad. I've slowed down on my journaling
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: and I need to pick it back up and this
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: feels like it's going to be the next journal I use.
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: I'm excited. This will be confusing for people in the
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: future to look at.
• 59:26
  Speaker 4: I find that Spiral notebooks are great for people who
• 59:29
  Speaker 4: have a tough time journaling because you always get the
• 59:32
  Speaker 4: feeling of a new page.
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: Oh, true. And a lot of my journals are the
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: ones where you have to kind of hold it. I'm
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: like writing on the bed, pushing down on it. It's
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: a mess. So this feels like.
• 59:44
  Speaker 4: There's that. They do make binder. They do make journal clips.
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: Journal.
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 59:50
  Speaker 4: With a little clips that hold it open.
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 59:54
  Speaker 4: But don't do that. Do this.
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: Let's play a game. Okay. Do you have anything to
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: recommend or promote?
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 4: No.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: You're online.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: I'm online.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: You're on Instagram.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 4: And all of my captions are made by humans. Okay.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: Let's play. We're going to play invite list. I'm going
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: to start naming a list of celebrities. You tell me
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: invited or not invited. And once we get to 10,
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: that's your party. Does that make perfect sense?
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 4: 10's a lot.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: 10's a lot. But once we get into it, you're
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: going to say 10's not enough.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 4: Where is the party?
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: It's wherever you want it to be. What kind of
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: party do you want to have?
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 4: None. A kind of party that I like. I don't
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 4: have to know what it is, but.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't have to know.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 4: I can just.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: Just imagine.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 4: For the exercise. Okay, great.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: All right. And you can say why or why not
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: you want to invite these people too.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: It's up to you. Dan Aykroyd.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's invited.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: Stephanie Meyer. Author of Twilight.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 4: She is invited. I have eaten with her in the
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 4: Netflix series animation cafeteria.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 4: There's a Twilight animated series.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: That's incredible.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 4: And I watched her be like, where are the croutons?
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 4: And all of us were like, we don't care. Wow.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: Renee Rapp.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 4: She's invited.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: You sound scared.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 4: Whenever there's like people who know how to dress like that,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 4: I feel sad because I'm like, I'm so far away
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 4: from knowing what that is.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: Oh, this is a good Mormon one, Brandon Flowers. Yeah. Okay.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 4: He can be there.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: Cat Williams.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 4: He's invited, but he'll not come.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: Based on your current list of people.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 4: I just think he gets invited to stuff and then
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 4: doesn't come.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's a 50-50, I would think.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: He's coming to Burbank?
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  Speaker 3: He's coming to Burbank.
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  Speaker 4: He's going to drink seltzer on my couch and pet
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  Speaker 4: my cat and be like, oh, he headbutts a lot.
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  Speaker 3: Caitlyn Jenner.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, she can come.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: Stacey Dash.
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  Speaker 4: I feel baited. I feel baited. I barely know who
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 4: she is.
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  Speaker 2: I know.
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  Speaker 3: She's from Clueless and has had kind of a tough turn,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: I think, politically.
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  Speaker 4: I feel like people who are the biggest nightmares are
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 4: the easiest to talk to at parties.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: Oh, interesting.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 4: It's been my experience that they feel secure in how
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 4: much they blow, that they're not trying to prove anything
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 4: in the moment. So she can come.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: Brooks Marks.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 4: What is that?
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: Oh, he's one of that.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: He is the son of Meredith Marks, the real husband
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: of Salt Lake City. He has a line of track suits.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 4: How old is he?
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: I guess he's about 25 at this point.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 4: He is not invited.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: Taraji P. Henson.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 4: Invited.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: Terry Gross.
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  Speaker 4: Can I get rid of everyone else? No, I want
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 4: to protect her. Who did I invite? Terry Gross?
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 4: Keep the conversation going. And that's nine.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: Oh, that's nine. You've got one left.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: Marlon Wayans.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he can come. I don't want to not invite anyone.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 4: I have to say, though, that I famously in sixth
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 4: grade staged a protest of my friend's birthday. I told
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 4: her that I wasn't going to come unless she invited
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 4: the least cool girl.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 4: And she talked to her mom who talked to my
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 4: mom who talked to me and said, like, that's not
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 4: how stuff works.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 4: Don't do that. That's not very nice to your friend.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: How was the decision not let's invite this poor girl?
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 4: It was like a five-person party and we were in
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 4: like seventh grade. We're past. It wasn't like we're singling
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 4: out someone. I was just finding a way to feel
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 4: bad that someone wasn't included.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: I'm on your side and this loser's side as well.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 3: And what did she do that night?
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: Where is she now? Well, that's very difficult of you.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: Let's play Gift or a Curse, at least a couple
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: of these. I'm going to name things. You'll tell me
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: if they're a gift or a curse and why.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you if you're right or wrong. Okay. This
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: is from a listener named Libby. Gift or a curse
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: when a performer refers to audience volunteers as victims?
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 4: A curse.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: Why?
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 4: Because I don't like it when people ask for a giggle.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: I think that's fair.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 4: Don't make me perform for you. You're up there. I'm
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 4: down here.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: Correct curse.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 4: You wouldn't say next victim if you didn't demand to
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 4: be met with a.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 4: No.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a real curse. There's nothing... No one's enjoying it.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: The performer's not enjoying it because it's not their idea.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 4: You're right.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: The audience member is just bothered.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 4: They're like barely– they're worried about getting called on.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: They're barely clocking out what you're saying. They can barely
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: hear anything. If I'm on that stage, I've already blacked out.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 4: Anytime the house lights come up, my heart sinks.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 4: Woof.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: If I– I just feel like the infrared victim of
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: Predator or something. Just stop.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 4: I'm just a heat map at this point.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 4: OK.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: This is from a listener named Ivy. Gift or a curse?
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: People wishing a heavenly birthday to an acquaintance on Facebook
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: who passed years ago.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 4: I think this is a curse. Why? I think it
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 4: is the dictionary definition of a curse in that the
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 4: emotional color of it is inherently negative and it touches
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 4: the beyond.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: Correct. And I have a little history. I think I've
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: talked about this on this podcast. Up until maybe two
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: years ago, I was under the impression– and this is
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: my fault. But I thought that happy heavenly birthday meant–
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: I thought that heavenly birthday was the day you died.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: My logic was that was the day you began living
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: in heaven.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 4: You got born in heaven.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 3: And so to find out that it's just happy birthday
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: but you're dead.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 4: You are just– you're just letting other people know that
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 4: your mom didn't become alive.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 4: Again.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: And until Facebook existed, well, you weren't doing anything like this.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: Why did that switch get flipped? Suddenly people wanted to
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: do this.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 4: No, that's a curse. You're so right.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: Okay. And this final one is from a listener named Margaret.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: Gift or a curse? The phrase spooky season.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 4: The culture where this comes from is very like, Not
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 4: my culture. However, this is a gift.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 3: Why?
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 4: I just like this time of year. I think it's great.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 3: Correct. Really? Yeah. I don't think we need a new
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: term that we have to incorporate into our holidays every year.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: It feels like somebody is cooking up terms. It's probably
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: the people who have thought of welcome in.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 4: It's the people at TJ Maxx who are like, we
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 4: made pillows for holidays.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 4: So you thought your couch was immune from decorations? Better
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 4: get some more bins.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: And now there's a label for it.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 4: Spooky season.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: I think that, yeah, I can't just be, I can't
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: be too angry at it. I'm glad people are having
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: a nice time with fun decorations.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 4: It's fun to feel nice.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 4: Isn't it?
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: Okay. Let's answer one quick listener question. Let's see. Oh,
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: this is a nice one from Allison. If you had
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: to be a wild animal in New York, would you
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: rather be a pigeon or a rat and why? Also
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 3: open to other options.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 4: Wow. I feel very certain of my answer.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 3: What is it?
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 4: A pigeon.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: Why?
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 4: You can go all around and be so crazy. A
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 4: rat looks like work.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: It's a lot of scrambling.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 4: You have to have a plan.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 4: Pigeons can just kind of fucking figure it out.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 3: But see, I immediately went to rat despite hating rats
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: because I'm thinking now I'm getting the inside scoop.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 4: You want to be in there.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: You're seeing everything in there. You're going wherever you want
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: in there, under, up.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 4: Would you rather be a subway rat or a garbage rat?
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: Subway rat.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 4: Why?
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: I think it's more romantic.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah. It's very Italian.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah. There's just something a little bit classier about it,
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: I would say. And the sights are probably more interesting.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: I love being in a tunnel.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 4: Something's going to happen.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: Do pigeons make nests? Yes. I don't think I've ever...
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: Are they on.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 4: Under bridges, which is why you'll see the, like, wire
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 4: things under bridges.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 3: Oh, the, like, kind of spikes on benches, but for pigeons. Yes.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 4: Yes, it is. They are cliff-dwelling guys, and they go there.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 4: I think they also go in trees.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I'm rat all the way.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 4: This is great. I hope the listeners sent that in.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 4: Feel satisfied.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: That's a good question, actually. Those are two very different
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 3: viewpoints of New York. Yeah.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 4: You like to have a plan.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: I like to have a plan. I like to get
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: in there.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 4: And I like to have the option to just not
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 4: do a single thing. Just mount someone near me and scream.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: Well, we answered the question perfectly. I have my new doTERRA.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: I wonder if we have any doTERRA, what is it,
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: a representative when you buy all of the product that
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: you keep in your garage?
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 4: Alums. Upstream, downstream?
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, upstream, downstream.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 4: DoTERRA.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 3: It's making me think, did you read that book, what
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 3: is it, Education? What was that thing?
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 4: No.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 3: About the Mormon family in Idaho?
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 4: If the book isn't White Fang, I haven't read it.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: Well, that family had some connection to essential oils. I
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: don't know. The amount of media that I brought up,
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 3: you have no.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 4: Let me tell you about a Jezebel article.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 3: All of the things I've mentioned, you'd be head over
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: heels for. That's all I'm saying.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 4: I will now do Sherry Papini.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: You've got to get Sherry Papini. There are probably four
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: different versions of the documentary at this point. So take
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: your pick. One has her sister in a turban.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 4: Is it addressed?
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 3: No, nobody ever asks about the turban.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 4: Turban was best case scenario.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, she knew she was going to be on camera
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: and this was her moment.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 4: Great.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 3: She's not on Sherry's side.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 4: I am.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm glad that we could be here despite not
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 3: eating shepherd's pie. We've got all of spooky season ahead
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: of us to kind of whip one up.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 4: Whip it.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: Thank you for being here.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 4: Thank you for having me.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 3: Listener. The podcast is over. Mmm. Move on. I love you. Goodbye.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: I Said No Gifts is an exactly right production. Our
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: senior producer is Ellis Nelson, and our episodes are beautifully
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 3: mixed by Ben Tolliday. The theme song is by miracle
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: worker Amy Mann, and we couldn't do it without our
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 3: booker Patrick Kottner. You must follow the show on Instagram
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  Speaker 3: at I Said No Gifts. That's where you're going to
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 3: see pictures of all these wonderful gifts I'm getting. And
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 3: don't you want to see the gifts?
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: When I invited you here I thought I made myself
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: perfectly clear When you're a guest in my home You
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: gotta come to me empty-handed I said no gifts, your
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: presence is presence enough And I already had too much
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: stuff So how do you dare disobey me?
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: Guitar solo