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Issue 346: Star Wars Potpurri · Aggressive Negotiations: A Star Wars Podcast

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I'm going to regret this. Welcome to the note party. Hi. This
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is Nick and Astasu, story editor on Star Wars, the Clone Wars and
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Star Wars bad Batch and you are listening to Aggressive Negotiations bo Shoota and welcome
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something where we're plumbing hyperspace and finding new routes. Roots. How do you
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pronounce it? You know what? I'm here with a pronunciation specialist, Jedi
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Master, Matthew Rushing. Matt the word r o U te? How do
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you pronounce that word? Like? I took a root sixty six? Is
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it root sixty six? Round sixty six? That's Does it just depend on
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the moment, Yeah, it depends on the moment. It's kind of like
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is it pirates of the Caribbean or to the Caribbean? You know, it
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almost just depends on what you're talking about. I don't know. Well,
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I mean, you got weird. Well, I mean the thing is,
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of fun. We all know that we love to surprise each other with topics,
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so we're gonna start off with a surprise topic. We'll see where this
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goes. This is gonna be a Pote Parrie star Wars popte Parrie episode.
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And you know it's funny you say smell because that's actually the first thing that
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was knocking around in our brain. Okay, oh no, all right,
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so Empire strikes back. Let me set the scene. Luke shows up at
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at Cloud City and he's going along and he's all being sneaky. He's going
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through and everything, but Boba Fett seems to know he's there right right,
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Boba Fet like even looks over in his direction and everything. They're walking through
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the hall, and it suddenly dawned on me as I was, you know,
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coming off of a jog. Luke had just spent some amount of time
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with no indoor plumbing, no shower. This is very true. And on
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Daegoba for you know, hover long training, getting sweaty, all of that
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stuff. Do you think it's possible Boba Fet just smelled him? You know,
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I think it's absolutely the case, because you know, we don't really
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think about this in Star Wars, but the weirdest thing about Star Wars is
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how people seem to wear the same clothes every single day and never washed them.
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And so either it's the thing where they just literally go in and you
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look in their closet and it's the same outfit hanging out. Yeah, it's
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like Homer Simpson. Yeah. Otherwise, although the one we know that doesn't
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happen is Lando because we've seen his closet. Everybody else it's like they never
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change clothes, and so that's true. I think I think it's a great
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question because it really does I think that That's one of the things that you
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know, in some ways was really helpful about the prequel trilogy was the way
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in which you see all of the costume changes that Padmey has, you know,
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and you know, all the characters, they're never really wearing the same
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clothes twice, except for characters like the Jedi, where they legitimately only have
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you know, they have their set of robes, and those robes it seems
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like, you know, they have certain colors that they seem to pay out
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and then that's their outfit, right and and they rarely kind of change out
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of that unless they're in a place where you know, you need like cold
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weather gear or something like that. Otherwise, for the most part, they're
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i mean, they're all wearing you know, Jedi wear the same things,
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but everybody else, you know, it's more realistic, whereas and I think
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of, you know, does this bring us to the fact that, you
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know, during the Imperial rule, you know, are people going without showers
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longer and stuff because you know they're either on the run or you know,
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like maybe ships aren't equipped with showers. You know, like the A T
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Haller was in Solo, you know, where it was just like it's so
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I don't know, man, this is this is a really interesting question.
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Well, it's definitely a rabbit hole because it's it's one of those things where
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you're sort of like, it's as soon as it hit me. On top
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of that, I was thinking like, well, Yoda was there for years
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and years, like I hope he dug that pit, you know that he
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had to use well away from his little hut, you know, just in
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case company showed up or something like that. Otherwise that was that was some
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there were some problems there, and probably R two on the on the flight
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to Cloud City was grateful that he was, you know, outside the cockpit.
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It's like, I'm good, I'm good, I'm out here. Smell
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can't travel in space. But then of course my brain keeps working, so
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that that brings on another question. All right, So Coroiscant is the city
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planet, right, and this ties into the whole smell and filth thing.
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It's a city planet. Have you ever been to New York City? Right?
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Yeah? How does New York City smell? And I don't want any
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New York people complaining with what we're about to discuss right now, but New
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York City smells disgusting. Its specifically, yes, in the summer when it's
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humid and hot there, and that's so I haven't been in there in the
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summer. I've been there in the fall and the uh much the very early
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like late winter, early springtime. Uh And so you know, I haven't
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gotten to experience the beauty of you know, the summer where everything is very
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humid, very hot, sticky, and of course it stinks when you when
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you walk out of the Yeah, when you walk out of the train station
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and you're like, hey, I'm here, and it's like hitting a you
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know what. It's like song as we're talking about it, it's like going
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through one of those gungan walls, one of those like shield walls. Oh
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yeah, you feel like you just passed through this slimy thing and you're like,
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wait a minute, I'm not I'm not where I'm used to being right
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here, But okay. So Corroussant is basically New York as a planet.
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New York smells the way that it, But can you imagine what rain was
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like for people on the lower levels on coroscont like for moisture to come from
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up above where there's like breathable atmosphere and everything come pouring down, like we
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have pollutants fall here on Earth, right, we can see it in ice
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cores and stuff like that. Can you imagine what rainfall was like for anybody
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that wasn't on the upper levels in Corocont Like how foul that was? You
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know? And it leads me to an interesting question when you think about that,
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because you know so much of what we see in Corossont is there gets
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to be this point where there is no open sky, like in the sense
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that you can't see the open sky. Everything is just another city level.
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And so does that even happen at those levels? And the industrial complex that
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has to exist to create breathable atmosphere under that many layers of permacrete or whatever
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they call it, like that has to be some of the that has to
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be the greatest engineering project of the entire galaxy. Yeah, well, you
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know the thing is, I remember there was some concept art that I think
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was first seen in like Star Wars Visions that that little trade paperback that came
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out back when episode three was around, where there was like a vision of
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like green Coruscant where it showed the uppermost levels as having like greenery and like
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the they basically showed that they covered that problem by having like this floating level
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up above that had like trees and everything, so that there could be some
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sort of ecosystem. But yeah, I mean, but the thing is,
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that's a great question. How do they even get oxygen on the planet?
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Like, how do how do you keep oxygen on the planet if there's no
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you know, trees, there's no grass, there's there's nothing about this planet
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that is live. Well, wait a minute, the Jedi had those two
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trees. Maybe those are just some real great trees. The trees had midichlorian
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counts that you couldn't really track. Yeah, talk about a force of nature,
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right those two Yeah, those two trees. Hey see you in the
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price on this one. Nicely done, nicely done, nicely done. So
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it just like, you know what, there you go that that's years of
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podcasting right there. That's what when it just naturally happens, that's that's the
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moment you're looking for everybody, that's exactly why we do this. But yeah,
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you know, it's I know you're not supposed to think about it or
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anything like that, but uh, you know, you're absolutely right, Like
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with the greenery and everything, I like, in my brain, I'm so
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glad I saw that, like that green Corusciant concept art so that I could
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I've applied it in my brain. I'm like, well, we didn't see
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the dilapidated manufacturing sector until episode two. It was always there, we just
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didn't see it. We know that we have the top of the mountain,
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right, that's that's even back in Cannon. Now yeah it is, yep,
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so that's back in Cannon. So there's got to be When Rick Olliot
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was is it Oli or Olier? Rick Olier? That the pilot that I
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think it's like rickole A Lakes, Land of Lakes Margarine, Yes, but
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actually that on Naboo he is the Margarine king. Oh wouldn't it be great?
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Yeah? Oh rickle rick ole A but m hmm. Or could it
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be like oil of ol a hand cream he has like a hand cream brand,
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and that's he just flies in his spare time, that's what it does.
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Yes, he's got so much money. He's just like, I need
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a job, you know, I fly the Queen around. But that's fine.
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Yeah, we were hanging out one day. She's like, I need
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a pilot. I'm like, okay, that's fine. He's like, you
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know what, I know how to fly. I have a lot of listens.
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I had a lot of time on my hands. I'm recolet you know,
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you probably use my products. In fact, you know what we I
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think we send them to you for free, you know, just so that
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you can get the advertising. Oh that's the like when she has the kabuki
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makeup on. That's that's how she gets it off at night. You know,
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that's what keeps her skin looking so good. So Radio nailed it.
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It's true anyway, Wow, see potpourri. There you go, folks.
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But like, like in a part of my brain sometimes I go back to
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it where it's like when he says the whole planet's one giant city, and
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we're all like, it's one giant city. In my brain, yes,
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it's quote unquote one giant city. But there is some part of it somewhere
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that's like undeveloped or reverted back to nature sort of thing. Like if you
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look at Detroit where like all the factories have broken down, you know,
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to quote Ian Malcolm from another great sci fi masterpiece, life, Uh finds
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a way, right, Like, there's got to be sections of it where
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the greenery has come back with a vengeance. Unnaturally, even where like factories
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are broken down and all of a sudden there's moss and grass and mutant trees
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and everything growing. I mean, so the biggest thing is this, Look
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if the only part at least what we know in Canaon now is the only
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part of the planet that you can still see, is the top of this
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the highest mountain that was ever on this planet. Let's conservatively guess that's somewhere
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between you know, you know, Mount Rainier, which I think is fourteen
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thousand or something, and then what you got Everest, it's what twenty something
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thousand, right, I don't know, taller than I'm ever going to be
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anyway, That's all I go. But I mean, just could just think
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about the entire planet being covered by and that means that this was also a
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planet that didn't have major oceans. So you know that this is a good
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point. You wouldn't have been able to build an entire city plane and if
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you had, you know, which is another great question of like water and
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you know, so I mean, the beauty of this is like you said,
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right, you're not supposed to think about it, but it is just
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kind of a crazy thought of like how this works. And I think,
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you know, it's one of those things where, you know, I wish
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that in some ways, you know, they thought more about you know.
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I think one of the things that I really appreciate about the and Or series
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was the way in which, regardless of who the characters were, they don't
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they weren't all wearing the same thing all the time. It was dependent on
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what's going on, right, you know, whether they're infiltrating the imperial base
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there, or of course you've got the senators and their different clothing and you
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know you've got you know, again, unless you're a part of the military,
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everybody's wearing something different every day because you don't wear the same things every
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day for the most part, and so it's just not something that necessarily gets
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thought about. Part of that, too, is I think, especially when
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you think of the original trilogy, the storylines that we see take place over
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pretty condensed time periods, you know, whereas you know, when you get
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into like the prequels, it's a longer time period. You know, Empire
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strikes back as a little bit longer in the sense that we don't really have
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a we don't have a conception of how long Luke is on Degaba, you
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know, could be done. It's as long as your brain needs are you
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know? But but whereas you know, Retard of the Jedi all takes place
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within a few days, you know, so you know, whereas again you
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get to the Prequels and you're in a you know, a much longer time
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period, right, And so I think, and each of the movies,
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right, you're not just taking place over days, but like, you know,
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maybe a week or two. And then of course you get into the
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Phone Wars and you're talking about you well, I mean, you and I
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have gone back and forth about the time the time stuff with like Revenge of
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the Sith, and I think that it functions just like Empire strikes back.
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It's as long as your brain needs it to be from beginning to finish,
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right, sure, sure, it's just My point is is that the prequels
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themselves, for the most part, tend to to cover a longer period of
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time. I think than that you have really with the let me ask you
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this, do you really think Return of the Jedi takes place over the span
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of just a couple of days. I mean, I'm not challenging it I'm
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asking. I've never really, I've never really sat down and tried to piece
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together as like exactly how long did it take? Because the thing is there
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are gaps that can very easily happen because of course, you know, it's
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not like all of the planets at the end instantaneous knew that the empire had
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fallen, right, it took a little bit of time for the news to
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get all across the galaxy. It's that figurative time thing. And then also,
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yeah, Luke speeds away and then we transition to the Emperor showing up
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at the Death Star. But then there's going to be some amount of time
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before the fleet can gather, and so yeah, I'm guessing you know when
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you put it like that, and I was just thinking about that that idea,
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because you know, you get Luke going to visit Yoda and then he
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comes back and everything, right, you know, it's probably a couple of
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weeks. Then, you know, when you think about the legitimacy of traveling
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and you know, like you said the but again too, it's like it
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it's pretty it just feels I guess it feels more compressed, you know,
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it feels quicker, just right, here with the way that Lucas whereas you
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know, I remember always thinking, you know, an empire strikes back,
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you know it, Yeah, Luke, there's a sense that because even just
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with the training montages, it's like you can see the way in which Luke
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is getting more proficient at certain things from you know, when he got there
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to where you get there, you know, when he's doing the flips and
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all that kind of stuff, and then he goes into the cave and it's
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like, yeah, it feels like he's probably been there for a little bit,
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you know, in your mind doesn't have to have an exact number.
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So all that I think to say is that, you know, it is
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fascinating to me the way in which you know these things. And I think,
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you know we were talking about on the six or two Club Rebel Moon.
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The genius really I think of Star Wars is that unless you just what
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are us and you're asking these questions forty some on years later, like your
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brain doesn't go there when you're watching these films, right, your mind just
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everything is designed to the point where you accept it and you kind of have
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an understanding of what it is, you know, Whereas I felt like you
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know in Rebel Moon that wasn't quite the case. So I'm asking a lot
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more questions in my mind, what's this? How does know? Where's how
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does this all fit together? You know? And from story to design elements
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to everything else. In Star Wars, I think things just seem to fit
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in a way that your brain does not have to ask those questions. It's
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just caught up in the the go of the story. If that makes sense,
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it absolutely makes sense. And that that's one of the things also that
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I think is frustrating about. And I know I'm opening a cannon worms here,
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okay, because I don't want to just be like, oh, well,
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you know the sequels this and this, because the thing is for me.
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Force Awakens has that in spades up until it just grinds to a halt
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at Taco Donna like and then it just never really gets its rhythm back.
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But like all the way up until the Star Killer base fires, that is
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a tightly put together story. It's exactly the way the first six are where
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it's like I don't even have a minute to ask myself like, well,
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what's this? Like I could ask when I walked out, but like boom,
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it just takes off, right, but Rogue one you and I,
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I know we disagree about that, but like it's actually inverted because it picks
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up so much after a certain point that I stop asking those questions. I
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you know, so like it's a better situation if you will. We're like
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in the beginning, well, well wait a minute, what about this?
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What about that? What's going on here? And then it hits a certain
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point pretty much when Sogerera starts talking with Jin where like all of a sudden,
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I just don't care anymore. Honestly, it's probably when cheer Ittt shows
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up, like suddenly I'm I'm sort of like I'm just in the flow of
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things again. But you know it is it something where? Because Solo definitely
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recaptured it. Because Solo you could go back and start like hammering at but
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it goes it's such a speed. And the thing is, how do they
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make sure that Star Wars captures that again? Right? Like you have to
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have sort of like a because because I'll even I'll throw Mando season three on
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the fire there. Mando season three loses the thread at a certain point,
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and it's like, like, how do you get that that that? Because
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like bad bad Batch has it in spades. Bad Batches just boom and then
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you can go back and pick it apart and it still holds up like it's
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some of the best. Yeah, I was, well, I would just
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say just the animation in general when it I mean, you know, you
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get Rebels and Clone Wars and Tales of the Jedi. So it's interesting because
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you were talking about Mando and and I got the four K discs and I
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just popped in the first episode just to kind of and I haven't gotten to
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watch past that of the original season, and that original episode has that in
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spades, right, you just go and like it knows when to slow down
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a little bit when you when you get to Queel's uh, you know farm,
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and he learns to ride the Blurg right the Blurg and and so you
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know, I think there's something. I mean that episode, you know,
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you start with him just walking into the CD bar and the shot when he
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walks in it, like everything about it just captures the essence of a Western
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right, which is a motif to which so many of us are familiar with.
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And I think maybe that's what it is. When Star Wars is at
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its best, it's capturing a genre and by setting you in that genre,
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but within Star Wars, you don't have to ask questions because your brain fills
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in the gaps, right. And again, this is I think the difference
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between this and something like, you know, a rebel move. I'm not
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just within a specific genre with that, because it feels like a lot of
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different genres crammed together and it depends on which scene you're in to what genre
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you might be. Whereas you know, Star Wars, it was like the
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original films were the serials, and then the the other three were serials,
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you know, and then it's like the Clone Wars pick up on this idea
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of Okay, now we're doing shorter episodes that are going to be based on
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serials, but they're also going to be based on different genres. And then
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you had Manda Morinan pick up the whole idea of like we're legit just going
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to be the Western version of Star Wars, and you know, it's like,
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I think that might be one of the keys to making a good Star
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Wars thing. It's like you have to pick your genre and run with it.
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Because again, Solo runs with that, right, because it's it's the
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gangster movie. You know, we all have an understanding of like the gangster
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thing. I think, you know, rogue one gets it because it's kind
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of the war spy movie. And maybe that's one of the things where you
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don't connect with it as much because at the beginning of the movie it's a
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little bit more like a spy movie, and it kind of throws itself into
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a war movie fully by the end. And so I don't know. I
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guess let's not reprosecute this argument. I mean, you're still wrong on it,
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but it's not. I'm just I'm just wondering if that's the case because
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they are kind of mixing to John Listen, I'm not trying to have that
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fight because you kept talking about cereals and my brain just goes, you know,
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somebody still has the recipe for c three pos. Why hasn't Disney re
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released that? You know, what about the cereal and and or they literally
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have cereal? Why didn't you make that? I'm a big cereal fan too,
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See I am too. I love Cereal like Lucky Charms. Come on,
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come on, like seriously, whatever happened to that? Like there was
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Batman cereal, there was Star Wars serial they did have Mando Cereal. I
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have the box they did. They Yeah, they brought out Mando Cereal when
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it first came out, and it is actually good. It was like I
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can't. It was a combination of lucky charm and like kicks. It was
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actually pretty good for a cereal based off a show which most of those tend
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to suck. This was actually good. You know, my memory of C
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three pos was not particularly enjoying them. And I can promise you that Batman
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Cereal I have a vague memory of it. It was sort of like,
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well, let's just say that I have a preserved box of it. If
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the Armygeddon never happens, I'm going to crack it open, because why the
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hell not. It was made by Ralston, the dog food manufacturer. So
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oh so you know it's good. They were try well, they know they
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know something about mass production there, Matt and Dry Cereal, so kind of
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kind of a natural fit with real seafood bits. You know, hey,
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black Bar Cereal, your taste buds can't repel flavor, dude. Oh man,
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See this is fun though, is breaking apart a couple of couple of
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things like this, It's going a little free Form. Matt, I love
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that you went on the journey with me. I'm so happy. I hope
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everybody stayed on it with us as we as we sat here and had a
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little bit of fun. Tell you what, reach out to us on those
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social channels. Let us know, do you like these episodes. It's something
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a little different. We could do a couple of these a year, that
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sort of thing. Let us know, reach out to us on x Twitter,
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whatever it's called now at the Jedi Masters and Matt, where can people
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find you lurking on the internet? Yeah, all of our social media Under
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the day Matt Mashining zero two here on the network, you can find me
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in a completed show called I'll Post with Dray Coffman talking about every single chapter
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the Harry Potter series. And over on the Nerd Party Network, a bunch
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of shows, of course, said the six or two Club we mentioned here,
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John and I just recently kicked off twenty twenty four with that show.
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Is talked about Rebel Mood, also doing Larry tracks, the Orb or five,
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Artificial Tangle and Saddle Up. But John, if people wanted to see,
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you know, maybe maybe what cereal you are? You know, really
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enjoying these days. Where would people find you? Oh my gosh, I
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you know, I cheat on my cereals. I never I can't stay with
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one one particular type. It's it's actually kind of a sickness, to be
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honest with you. It's an addiction, if you will, one that I've
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never been able to overcome, and one that I gleefully, gleefully indulge in.
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But you can find me at Castle Junkie online, and you can find
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me, you know, appearing occasionally on six or two Club, but also
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you can find me right here on the network, co hosting a show called
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house Lights with Tristan Riddell and Darren Moser, where we have quite a time
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looking at the work of different directors and all those sorts of things. Well,
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Matt, I just heard the chime for Serial Hour at the Jedi Temple.
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I think it's time to close these negotiations. John, with this,
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the Serial Bar negotiations are closed. Join the Revolution, Join the Nerd Party.