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- 0:00 [Music] throughout the history of motion pictures there have been many big dog stars 0:07 toto had a big adventure 0:14 pey had a big appetite 0:19 ren Tintin was a big hero 0:25 and Lassie had a big heart you've come back but now Ivan Wrightman who brought you 0:33 Ghostbusters Kindergarten Cop and Twins proudly presents the biggest 0:42 dog star of them all [Music] 0:47 you Beethoven no no no 0:54 [Music] 1:00 wherever there's trouble 1:05 wherever there's danger oh my gosh Emily's in the pool 1:10 [Music] wherever there's food 1:19 mut oh I just love these big dumb animals 1:28 look who's coming to the rescue 1:34 wa honey with a little help from his friends 1:40 check the voice really hun i never thought you were more attractive 1:48 we're going in 1:57 it's not even Saturday night she driving me crazy george who are you 2:04 talking to charles Groden beethoven 2:10 [Music] 2:20 [Music] Retro Made Pop Culture Rewind begins 2:29 hello hello i'm Katie and welcome to Retromade your pop culture rewind today Overview of Beethoven 1992 and John Hughes’ role 2:35 we're digging into the 1992 family comedy Beethoven 2:42 i bet you never realized that it was written by John Hughes did you we'll talk about the oddly dark plot question 2:50 mark plot and its surprising box office success to unpack why this messy movie 2:55 somehow became a staple of early9s kid culture if you listen to the Rocky series 3:02 podcast One More Round my guests today will sound very familiar if not I don't 3:08 know what you're doing with your life kyle welcome back thank you thanks for having me yeah if you're not listening 3:14 to that podcast get your life together what are you doing exactly yeah now why 3:20 should they get their life together and listen to One More Round got any any gems for why they should tune in well 3:27 it's mostly because of Ryan he's the best we suck so we'll we'll try and put a show 3:35 together still with just the two of us but uh it's true yeah i think we're a 3:40 good team on that podcast we all bring something different to the table and if 3:46 you're a nerd at all about the Rocky films you could watch us dissect everything but if you're not like 3:51 there's we I we've had some converts to the cause which is surprising given that I I just figured everyone's seen Rocky 3:58 but yeah we've we've brought people into the fold and they like Rocky so even if you haven't seen Rocky give it a chance 4:04 agreed and if you haven't seen Rocky watch Rocky it's great okay we're gonna 4:10 get right to the retroade time capsule are you ready to spin Kyle 1992 box office trivia challenge 4:16 let's see what kind of a category we can ask some trivia questions for Kyle we 4:21 have big screen time machine okay whatever 4:27 that is well I mean you can kind of tell it's it's basically the top five movies 4:33 at the box office for 1992 the whole year oh man 1992 that's That's hard 4:38 because I feel like 94 or 93 I'd be good at that but 92 I don't 4:47 normal well I'll give you hints then okay okay there are five films right 4:54 in a single cinematic year audiences flocked to see a street smart shape 4:59 shifter it's kind of a run-on clue like it's it basically gives a hint for each movie so 5:06 I can pause okay there street shape shifter shape shifter 5:12 Terminator 2: Judgement Day but that was 91 I think it is animated 5:19 oh Street Shape Shifter animated i should know this this would have been my 5:24 jam as a kid i was like eight when in 1982 the The Shape Shifter I will say is 5:30 probably throwing you off but technically it is jeez I don't know aladdin aladdin oh man 5:38 the genie yeah yeah street smart i that threw up too i wouldn't have 5:44 characterize Aladdin is street smart but maybe I just The genie though 5:50 yeah i don't know yeah a pop icon turned protector 5:57 that's your clue god I suck so bad oh this is embarrassing 6:02 a pop icon turned protector 6:09 give you any hints for me other than that big song that you're if I give you the names of the people it will give it 6:16 away [Music] and 6:22 oh I still don't know Whitney Houston yeah 6:27 well I know that but I still know what the movie would be the Bodyguard oh yeah I don't know if I saw that you Oh 6:35 Great soundtrack too kevin Cosner and Whitney Houston 6:41 okay you'll probably know this one a solo child in the big city 6:47 oh was it Home Alone 2 mhm lost in New York yep yep wow so they they did that 6:54 was really quick sequel i thought it was like a little bit later they did that one but cuz I think the first Home Alone 6:59 was like 1990 or '9 yep 90 I think makes sense cuz he's still quite young looking 7:05 like he doesn't look like he aged from the the two films really so 7:11 capitalized quickly all right so number four a sultry ice pick wielding suspect 7:20 ice pick wielding suspect sultry very famous scene when this person gets 7:28 interrogated oh Basic Instinct mhm you see her kitty cat so to speak and then 7:36 the last one is a sequel a pair of mismatched cops chasing gun 7:43 runners oh would that be Lethal Weapon which one 7:49 oh two you see three lethal Weapon 3 oh this is 7:55 in the 90s right so yeah I know yeah like I I watched those but it's like I 8:01 was eight in 1992 so it was not that honestly 94 I would do way better at 8:07 there were so many good films that came out in '94 like 93,94 like Jurassic Park Forest Gump Dumb and Dumber yeah the 8:14 mid9s really has its own identity for sure we're now we're still in the early 8:20 90s so it's it's you know and agreed i honestly don't know if I've seen Lethal 8:25 Weapon 3 either oh okay yeah I remember loving those as a kid which is funny that my parents let 8:31 me watch that cuz there's like lots of like nudity and violence they're like "Whatever kid." Yeah my 8:38 parents like were pretty chill like I saw Terminator 2: Judgement Day when I was seven and I'm like "Those seven-year-olds should watch that." I 8:45 don't even remember that movie i'm sure I've seen it but I couldn't tell you just like extremely graphic violence I 8:52 guess lots of swearing like you see like a nuclear bomb destroy a playground full 8:58 of kids like like pretty [ __ ] up stuff 9:03 yeah parenting was different back in the day I guess plus my my it was my dad too my dad was just like my dad didn't have 9:11 the best judgment i I'll say that because I think a lot of parents back then would not have let their seven-year-olds watch that but I do 9:17 agree with you though parenting like for instance in 1992 I was going home alone after school to 9:25 an empty house cuz my parents were working like I had a shoelace around my neck with a house key on it and I was 9:32 not the only one doing that where it's like nowadays you would never see that 9:37 yeah that was very common place yeah ours was hidden in the garage 9:42 yeah uhhuh yeah i I remember getting my snack 9:47 watching TV after that's Oh for sure yeah yeah like you you you certainly didn't crack open your homework right 9:54 away or anything oh god no i've always been a procrastinator all right Kyle i don't think you did 10:00 very good let's see let's see what other category yeah I need to redeem myself you do you'll probably be pretty good at 10:07 this one prime Time Rewind oh okay is this like TV stuff yeah okay i think I 10:13 do better on TV than I do movies okay so this is the top five TV shows in on 10:20 prime time uh for the year 1992 in a year when ticking clocks set the 10:27 pace a sharp tonged matriarch ruled the Midwest a fictional journalist tackled 10:33 real world issues a Boston bar remained the go-to spot for regulars oh so okay 10:40 so these are like all of them but I thought it was like a single show with these like what the [ __ ] kind of like what show is all of them and a handyman 10:47 with more power tools than sense grunts his way to fame what were the top five shows okay sorry could we just do one at 10:53 a time because I don't know if I can remember yes but then it it's it's it's so easy it's too easy could you 10:59 repeating ticking clocks set the pace okay what's that one that was the one I 11:06 wasn't sure about the I'll go back to that one okay sharp tonged matriarch ruled the Midwest oh is it Roseanne yes 11:13 that's number two number three is a fictional journalist tackled real world issues 11:20 this might be tough yeah was it Murphy Brown it was Murphy Brown 11:26 and a Boston bar remained the go-to spot for regulars cheers i've been to Cheers 11:32 like in Boston oh yeah even though I think it was actually filmed in LA but you know they 11:38 they they show the shot of the bar that's actually just off Boston Common 11:43 like their like park area where their state house is i did not go to the Cheers Bar i've only 11:50 been to Boston once though nice city i recommend it yeah yeah what 11:56 was the Handyman with power tools oh Home Improvement okay so do you know the ticking clock one this was an hourong 12:02 show okay ticking clock what was it again the ticking ticking 12:09 clock set the pace oh was it 60 Minutes it is that's the number one show there we go tv good job yeah when it raises 12:17 you the TV raises you you remember the shows the movies not so much movies was a treat but yeah I remember TV back then 12:24 i agree i agree and it was more regular like you watched them all the time yeah all right let's do another it's funny 12:29 like some of these shows I watched as a kid like Cheers like my daughter would never watch Cheers it's very adult i 12:36 don't remember loving it as a kid it made me sad the theme song oh I always 12:41 thought like the art stuff on the theme song was really cool i really like the theme song as a kid actually i like it 12:47 now but it gave me a homesick feeling when I was a kid oh there's a line in 12:53 that song that's not in the show because the show's talking like your problems mhm and one is like your wife 13:01 leaves you the other one is your husband wants to be a girl like transitioning 13:07 what i missed that completely yeah yeah it's a great listen to the full song it's quite good all right 13:14 yeah i think I'm due for some just like easy watching stuff like that like Mindless i'll have to like rewatch some 13:21 80s shows okay i don't know how you're going to do with this category it is fad 13:27 flashback yeah yeah we'll see we'll see there's two 13:33 one's super easy and one's not so easy okay athletic footwear that was popularized in the early 90s especially 13:40 by Michael Jordan oh like Air Jordans air Jordans yep '92 13:47 do you remember the You was thinking of before you said Michael Jordan do you remember the pump shoes which on the 13:53 tongue of the shoe had that look like a little basketball and you'd pump it up i think it was around the same time very 13:59 much so it was in Whiteman Can't Jump i'm curious of the Can Kyle come out to 14:04 play what is that back in the headlines oh so like current events 14:10 well current in the time at the time yeah yeah yeah big news okay you'll 14:16 definitely get You'll get these are pretty easy okay despite Rocky's best efforts it was actually Bush and Yeltson 14:24 who did what 92 oh Bush and Yeltson 14:32 is it like a arms reduction or something like that i don't know no you you you did you pick up on the first bit of it 14:40 well the Rocky thing it's like negotiate peace or something the joke is always 14:46 that Rocky ended the Cold War oh yeah but the Cold War was over by 92 that's I 14:51 guess not officially they proclaimed a formal end to the Cold War okay like it 14:56 didn't formally end until '92 i guess my like I didn't since I wasn't like I was around wouldn't be breeding stuff i in 15:03 my mind I was just assumed that when the Soviet Union collapsed like by default the Cold 15:11 War would be over mhm but okay yeah i guess in '92 those two Bush and Yeltson 15:18 Yeah i guess it's like the year after the Soviet Union collapsed formally proclaimed a an end to the Cold War also 15:25 in 1992 the US Supreme Court reaffirms 15:31 your right to something and the hint is after 50 years that 15:38 right got taken away what right was it 50 years 15:45 okay i was going to say right is right to choose yeah your right to to have an abortion so in '92 the Supreme Court it 15:53 must have come up to them and they reaffirmed it because and then what was 15:58 it 70 I should know this early '7s yeah 16:03 yeah or I thought you were saying like 50 years later it was repealed morgan hasn't been 50 years since the original 16:10 though oh since the original okay since 92 yeah yeah yeah 16:17 let's do one more i love doing [ __ ] like this 16:26 say what so which 1992 catchphrase 16:35 used to describe something that's considered impressive or superior was 16:40 frequently paired with a popular snack in its expression 16:45 all that in a bag of chips yeah what a weird catchphrase it's all that i 16:53 remember um Austin Powers 2 Dr evil who uh had been frozen for a 17:01 long since ' 69 came back in the '9s and then he goes back to the 60s to 17:09 extort the world knowing what he knows in the '9s and he's talking to the president he's like 17:16 "You're not all that in a bag of potato chips." That's right and he's like "What 17:21 what are you talking about?" Oh my god also Austin Powers or is that Austin 17:27 Powers or Dr evil yeah yeah yeah yeah austin Powers like Dr evil says it but 17:32 he's the character in Austin Powers yeah yeah yeah well either way that character 17:37 is and your Donald Trump are the same oh 17:42 I disagree totally different okay all right well you did pretty good 17:48 I would say yeah not bad that' be such a young end at that time right yes agreed 17:54 agreed cuz you would have been like 11 mhm yeah i feel like when I was 11 I 18:00 knew a lot more about what was going on around me still not like adult level but I don't think I would have done much 18:06 better than you i would have done about the same that makes you feel better mhm 18:12 all right Kyle are you a John Hughes movie fan or 18:19 what's your history with John Hughes movies what are some What are the John Hughes 18:24 movies well I'm really bad with like directors and stuff like that yeah I mean it would be like The Breakfast Club 18:30 Weird Science Home Alone Home Alone Home Alone 2 Uncle Buck i love them love them 18:38 like Weird Science i don't know if you've seen that but I love Breakfast Club a lot even though I saw that I was 18:43 born the year that movie came out so I did not see that in the theater but I 18:49 really like that film because it's so it's so weird right like such a weird movie but like in a in a great way like 18:55 what a good idea it's my favorite for Is it your actual favorite movie well no my favorite John Hughes movie oh okay but 19:02 The Breakfast Club is in my top you know 10 or what you know whatever it is it's very much up there speaking of The 19:08 Breakfast Club I just saw an image i think it's like on Reddit or somewhere where they they had a reunion of all the 19:14 people together for the Breakfast Club like this like re weeks ago or something they're all looking pretty good i agree 19:21 i agree i think Amelia looks the best sure like aging ali looks pretty good 19:27 too but yeah I was raised on like Uncle Buck and Home Alone in those films yeah no that was like the 19:35 backbone of my childhood movie experiences for sure Nostalgia of family movie nights and Blockbuster 19:40 what about Beethoven did you see that when it came out originally yeah yeah for sure i reme you know I I didn't 19:47 remember most of the film when I watched it again this week but there were definitely like memories that came back 19:53 to me as I was watching it and you could almost feel like you're a kid again for a little bit of it 20:00 and just you know in general I have to say cuz I watched the movie with my wife and 20:07 my my 12-year-old and we don't watch movies as a family 20:12 that often I realized mhm i feel like my family growing up like watching a movie 20:18 together was like basically what you did on the weekend like a Friday night like you make it a blockbuster night make 20:26 popcorn it's like a whole thing yeah yeah it's a whole thing and it's like nowadays it's like everyone has their 20:31 phone and like you stream stuff but it's like movies are so easily accessible for 20:36 the most part unless they like just came out where it's like 20:41 you had your collection of VHS tapes at home which you've seen a thousand times that you weren't going to watch on a Friday night probably unless you were 20:48 desperate and then you probably got something from Blockbuster if you got there early enough to actually get the 20:55 new release and that was like a rush and yeah it any nostalgia could really miss Family Movie Day i like that yeah i mean 21:04 Blockbuster was like a whole separate destination i remember there being a lot 21:10 of just little video stores like inside of a grocery store so like on your way out from getting groceries 21:17 that's I remember us doing that yeah i would go to the grocery store with my mom you know yeah like on a Friday or 21:23 Saturday and then I'd be like "Oh can we get a movie can we get a movie?" Now that you say that I remember as a kid 21:28 convenience stores some of them would have a little rotating circular thing 21:33 with probably a couple dozen movies on it and you could rent it from like the lo like the corner store which is like 21:42 never going to happen now no [ __ ] yeah like we had in our town there was 21:49 Blockbuster came in and then before that we had this like huge video store called Jumbo Video and they gave you free 21:57 popcorn like they had like a like a movie theater kind of popcorn maker there while you were like perusing or 22:04 Yeah or you could take one on your way out and in fact when my wife and I got married in 2008 22:09 it was like one of the last movie rental places still around in the city was called the movie studio and they also 22:16 had free popcorn there and that's like my wife and I used to rent DVDs and just watch them at home and man I 22:23 miss that i like I'm really really nostalgic for that it It was like The Hunt you know yeah 22:30 exactly like you'd spend forever walking through and 22:35 you'd get more than one you'd get like whatever the new release was or like and then you'd be like "Okay then the ones 22:42 that aren't new releases there'd be like a dollar bin these ones are only a dollar yeah and you could like they're like "Bring it back next week." And then 22:48 the new releases is like "Bring it back by Sunday or you're dead we'll find the [ __ ] out of you." 22:56 I mean yeah video stores all right well speaking of which let's get into Beethoven 23:02 [Music] 23:08 it was released April 3rd 1992 pg it has a 5.7 on IMDb 23:16 which is exactly the same as another John Hughes written movie Dennis the 23:23 Menace did you know that was John Hughes 2 i'm so bad for that i'm a real [ __ ] 23:30 guest when it comes to knowing no most people don't know that like the these are like Beethoven Dennis the Menace are 23:37 are ones that probably don't come to mind like The Breakfast Club or Uncle 23:42 Buck or Home Alone i did watch Dennis the Menace i remember that cuz Walter Matau was Mr wilson mr wilson yeah 23:50 speaking of which actually the time of this Dennis Menace was last episode so it was just happen stance that two 23:56 episodes in a row are kind of some of these like kid movies that he transitioned to after doing all those 24:03 teen flicks and that they had much lower ratings the director was Brian Levent 24:12 and he wasn't actually the original director he took over I don't know what happened but originally Steve Rash was 24:19 supposed to direct and he directed Can't Buy Me Love as well as Sun-in-law 24:26 with Poly Shore but Brian Levvent who did direct this movie which that doesn't 24:32 sound very familiar to me but he did the Flintstones in '94 Problem Child 2 and 24:38 Jingle All the Way in 1996 so John Hughes did not direct this but he did write it but this is the first movie 24:45 that we see his pseudonym pop up did you know about this if you ever do Problem 24:52 Child on this show please please have me as a guest for that one i vaguely 24:58 remember it the little Was it a redheaded yeah he was such a little [ __ ] and and John 25:05 Ritter or Yes yes that was the dad and I actually referenced that movie just this 25:10 week at work actually in the lunchroom it was a scene where he pisses in a lemonade jug and sells it to a guy 25:19 who remarks that it's tangy after he Oh gross god oh my god well I don't know it may 25:29 it may pop up on you know some future season i don't know i don't know how Problem Child will come in you know my 25:35 themes that I have so yeah amy Holden Jones and John Hughes wrote this movie 25:41 amy Holden Jones also wrote Indecent proposal and Mystic Pizza one of my 25:46 favorite movies it was Julia Robert's first movie role you have You will You 25:54 really good oh okay lily Taylor is in it she could probably fit the entire pie in 26:00 her mouth in one bite i would guess her stop just just messing with I love Julia 26:06 Roberts i like her too wait no you got to watching Pizza it's so good it's such a great movie but also Amy Holden Jones 26:14 there's a current show that she wrote or that she writes on The Resident i don't 26:20 watch that but anyway I did find really interesting that several of these later 26:26 John Hughes movies that aren't really his bread and butter he wrote under a pseudonym and so I was like well what's 26:32 that all about it's Edmund Dante's so he's credited with that name instead of 26:38 John Hughes for his writing credit and he came up with it as an homage to a 26:47 character from The Count of Monte Cristo which I do not recall 26:52 but he parted ways with the studio Universal after Beethoven 26:58 and he didn't really want to be on it anymore like something must have happened and he wanted to take his name 27:04 off of it but he he allowed it to to remain under the 27:10 condition that his credit would be the pseudonym instead 27:17 yeah that's what the kids would call sus these days which kind of tracks as we'll 27:23 get into i think like in a lot of the prior movies he's had a lot of creative control with his you know his he didn't 27:31 direct this but even as a writer a fair amount of control over the script and I 27:37 think some of these family movies that quality wasn't quite up to up to standards you know maybe honestly just 27:44 to I don't know if I'm jumping the gun here but watching this film I'm like you couldn't put this out today if if you 27:52 put a film just like this Say say you updated the clothing and cars and all that stuff so it it doesn't seem dated 27:59 but like the actual script was the same no 28:07 nope well so speaking of you guys I so I did see this movie in the theater i remember going probably a matinea and Breaking down Beethoven’s chaotic plot 28:14 what's not to love it's a kids movie about a really cute dog so slobbering St bernard becomes the center of attention 28:21 i loved it as a kid i remember like I I just remember like the feeling when I when you were asking like what film I 28:28 wanted to be like reviewing with you i I saw Beetho like "Oh yeah I'll do that one." Even didn't remember like the 28:33 details like the feeling remained is like I like this movie same and I 28:38 remembered very little of it but yeah next to nothing yeah I remember the I remembered like the characters like I 28:45 remembered what like the daughter looked like and the son and all that stuff and I remember the dog [ __ ] up their 28:51 house like stuff like that I remember but like the actual plot what's the the adversity they're trying to overcome or 28:56 whatever i'm like so it's George and Alice Newton is the 29:02 mom and dad and they have three kids and they have to contend with dognapping 29:08 local veterinarian Dr herman Varnick and his henchmen Harvey and Vernon that's 29:14 what this movie is about you guys that like the they're dognappers 29:20 yeah yeah actually I'm going to contend that they did not need to be in this film 29:26 you could take them out and just make it about these people got a dog that was a 29:32 stray and this dog is causing a bunch of problems but then they actually realize the dog is also bringing them together 29:38 as a family and then they try and get rid of the dog and then regret it and then get the dog back 29:44 exactly but instead they're those weird convoluted villains that like you have 29:50 these two idiots who are the henchmen played by Oliver Platt and Stanley Tucci 29:57 might I add yeah and then you have this like at the beginning you have this vett 30:04 he's like I need puppies i'm like you know what you could do they 30:10 sell puppies you could buy them are you short on cash like why like why are you 30:16 stealing puppies they're there you could just go in and say "I need some puppies please." 30:22 Well I I assume he's making money somehow on this venture which we don't really find out so it's like okay we 30:28 open up and it's evil immediately they are actually stealing puppies from a pet store which that was some pretty 30:35 high-tech security with laser beams at a pet store but these villains are not as 30:42 dumb as they look one puff of cigarette smoke and the laser beam is uncovered i 30:47 just I thought that was you know but then the cops were alerted to their presence anyway yeah also boo on pet 30:54 stores people yeah yeah exactly exactly adopt don't like they're making fat we 31:01 find out later in the film he's making fat stacks off whatever he's doing 31:07 like you see him putting money into the safe there's like tens of thousands of dollars so it's obviously very lucrative 31:13 it seems like the cost of the dog would not be would not bite into the profit 31:19 margin that much also if we're really thinking about this this is what actual scumbags do is they 31:26 go and collect free to good home in classified that's what they what I was thinking too 31:32 cuz one of the things is can we see needles later on that that they're 31:37 somehow inject like yeah syringes like they're going to inject these animals for some kind of animal testing which is 31:43 done legally on animals to this day right like people companies corporations 31:49 do animal testing all the time some say they don't but a lot do and then if I'm 31:55 not mistaken what they're trying to do with Beethoven is they're trying to see what this bullets if you shoot a dog in 32:01 the head and yeah like yeah it makes zero sense 32:06 ammunition's testing on a that's why they needed a big dog was it the 32:12 military like who is like also in real life they actually do do that but sadly 32:18 this again you know Katie Miss Miss Vegan over here they use pigs because 32:24 they're the same as us essentially that's what I was going to suggest is okay 32:30 people don't use animals for that there's there are newer better techniques to test these things i see 32:35 stuff online where I'm not a huge gun person but this is in my algorithm where 32:41 they they have this material that replicates human flesh and it's almost like it's translucent and they'll have a 32:48 bone structure inside so you could see like the damage the bullet does and stuff so that's like what professionally 32:54 because you think munitions companies wouldn't outsource their testing to some small town veterinarian 33:01 well who needs to find a St bernard to shoot in the head you could be you can go to Okay this is the coverage go to 33:07 your local slaughter house and say "Hey do you have a couple pig heads I can have?" They're probably like "Sure we 33:13 have a bunch of these take it." And you could take your already killed pig which 33:18 I know sucks Katie i'm sorry and shoot that thing and then test it like I I 33:24 just the plot well first of all it's like well you they're dognapping okay it's like we don't we find out in like 33:31 pieces like what they're actually doing and it makes less sense as it goes on like at first we're like "Oh they're 33:37 dognapping they're going to sell them or whatever on the black market cute puppy you know I I steal it i sell it for 33:42 profit profit or whatever." Nope that's not what they're doing with these dogs they're Now we find out they're testing 33:48 doing some some sort of testing on them we're like "Okay well that's dumber but it still sort of makes sense." And then 33:55 lastly we find out it's munitions test like it makes no 34:02 sense i was stunned when I saw that i was like "No wonder he put it under a 34:08 pseudonym." Like I wouldn't put my name on that that is the stupidest plot line 34:13 i could not believe it if I'm 8-year-old me wouldn't care that passes the smell test for 8-year-old me so good enough I 34:19 guess i literally I have that exact note were they just like "Kids are dumb so 34:25 yeah go be cool." Like it's like "The parents aren't really here to see this movie they're just here if the kids are 34:31 happy the parents are happy the kids are too stupid to care." And to be fair if I 34:37 remember right this movie cost $18 million to make and it grossed in the box office like $143 million $147.2 34:45 million so yeah okay yeah they were right kids are dumb and this was like massively successful despite it being 34:53 pretty shitty there were four sequels and three standalone films um there was 34:59 like a very quickly after this one they did a Beethoven second which was a theatrical release and it was you know 35:06 cute i think I saw it it was like now there's a girl dog and they have puppies which don't do that either people and 35:12 then then there was sequels direct to video films beethoven's third 35:18 Beethoven's fourth Beethoven's fifth Beethoven's Big Break Christmas Adventure Treasure Trail Christ and an 35:25 animated TV series i I know this is a money-making business like I'm not 35:32 stupid that this is the they're in here for the art but I'm like it is to me it's so disheartening and I've said this 35:38 on the other podcast but it's so disheartening when they take something good or or 35:44 something like this something decent and then just try to milk every last penny 35:51 out of it and they're right cuz people keep buying it apparently they wouldn't make more sequels if they if they were 35:57 losing money but I feel this way with the Star Wars and other stuff too where I'm like come on like how how long are 36:05 we going to beat this dead horse like to me it almost ruins the other films i 36:10 kind I not I don't kind of agree i wholeheartedly agree it it makes it icky 36:16 just because my world doesn't revolve around like making an extra buck like I will pay more to do the right thing i 36:23 shocking but yeah so it's gross i don't know i find it gross yeah like just greed i guess if 36:31 there's a buck to be made someone's going to try and do it that's just the way the world works but it I think at 36:37 the end of the day it's the consumer that's to blame because you make a choice with your wallet right don't see 36:44 Beethoven five if these things stop making money they're not going to make more of them that's how I feel about 36:50 like the MCU but yeah and similarly adopt don't shop vote with your dollars things like that 36:56 but you were right like your very quick 37:01 plot that you came up with was way better than this plus we didn't even talk yet about there is technically a 37:08 subplot to this there's a few there's a only a few little tidy plots i think 37:15 depends what you count as a subplot but true i mean like those evil childless 37:23 career people that's like a common theme in these movies and now I I just laugh it's like they're so career oriented so 37:30 anyway what was that about that was convoluted too like again it was 37:35 Patricia Heaton and David Dubny are like these venture capitalists trying to bamboozle the dad yeah it they make it 37:43 seem that way they never explain how they're like the dad has this air 37:49 freshener business which I guess is doing pretty well because this is a I got to do a little sidetrack here mhm 37:56 every It's like every family movie like this people live in these I feel like are outrageously large homes yes and 38:04 like on this huge lot in like California i'm like Jesus Christ like I remember feeling so poor as a kid i'm like is 38:12 this how everyone in like I mean Canada like is this how like everyone in America lives are we just like super 38:17 poor and then I realized oh actually no this is just Hollywood or it's like Family Matters it's like Carl Winsel's a 38:24 cop and he has this huge house i'm like what the [ __ ] but anyways they seem to 38:29 be doing well as it is right now you could always do better you know you expand your business to have two air 38:35 freshener factories or whatever and yeah he needs he needs some capital investment 38:41 he seems to sell them on the tour and then they're trying to get him to sign this 38:48 contract without reading it which tells us that there's something [ __ ] up in there which is which for sure is how 38:55 things work in a way but in reality he would have a lawyer that looks at 39:00 that contract like there's no way he's going to read that at like the dinner table and sign it let alone not read it 39:07 and sign it does that bee plot get resolved in some way well 39:13 aside from the dog pulling you know with the patio yes and no my understanding is 39:18 that the dog ruins the evening and these people bolt and this guy's pissed off 39:23 about it cuz the dog just ruined his chance to expand even though he doesn't realize the dog really saved him from 39:30 from something we don't know about because it doesn't tell us right we just kind we're kind of we just assume that's 39:36 the case because they they're so shifty mhm and then there was the line after that where it's like "My dreams are 39:43 falling apart." And she's like "Well you can have your dream but you know it's your family that's falling apart." 39:51 That that like him that him doing this air freshener business thing is making his family fall apart which doesn't 39:58 really explain either cuz it's not like I don't feel like he was away that much 40:03 or something for this he's maybe kind of fixated on this air freshener deal like talking about it at the breakfast table 40:09 and being worried about it and having those people demean his kids and be like 40:15 treat his wife like a servant and stuff and he was kind of putting up with it to be polite so the deal wouldn't fall 40:21 through i I don't know if you would consider that your family falling apart 40:27 well I think it was that so the mom played by Bonnie Hunt it I don't think she ordinarily goes to 40:34 work but this is such a big deal that she has to like go to work and help him 40:39 with it for some period of time and so then the kids have to be slept to like a 40:44 babysitter or something where like one of them almost dies yeah beethoven has to save the little girl from the pool 40:51 and which he knows through his animal instincts from three houses down yeah by 40:58 the way he can maybe with his dog hearing yep his dog hearing can hear the scream and his animal instinct i can 41:04 just accept that that's okay in the movie i can suspend my disbelief for that that's no big deal so like I My 41:09 point though is I can kind of see their family having a rough time but that doesn't actually seem that bad 41:17 it's like oh you've gone from a super idllic thing where you have like the wife staying at home and the husband's 41:23 successful and you have this nice little nuclear family 41:29 to where oh you the kids have to go to a babysitter like you and I were just talking about being like latch key kids 41:35 god forbid well and it's sort of like again it borrows from other movies that 41:40 probably did it better you know like Turner and Hooch the dad never wants the dog yeah the dog really truly does bring 41:47 the family together but the dad can't see it because he's the one that has to pick up after it and he you know he Yeah 41:53 is making a mess and drool and then so then the dad gets blamed cuz the kids 41:58 love the dog and it's a whole So I don't know if that was part of it yeah and it's like I was really identifying with 42:05 the dad at first and my wife is like "Wow you're this guy." Cuz I was like "Do not get that [ __ ] dog." As much 42:13 as I love dogs I have a Shih Tzu at home that's a good dog for our family he's 42:18 small he's fairly lazy he doesn't do a lot he's good with kids that you know St 42:25 bernard is an in your house dog bad idea like we have my wife's cousins 42:32 they live out on a farm and their St bernard's outside all the time it loves life but like having this St bernard 42:41 cooped up in your house i'm like I would not do that that like you're 42:47 Yeah I'm like a giant breed dog person though well the problem is not him being so big 42:53 they they kind of make it seem that way it's that he's a puppy and he's growing and being a puppy and a teenage dog and 43:00 he is just in a big body so he would be cool if they just you know walked him 43:05 and made him behave you know well the dad and me knows what's going to happen 43:11 it's both the dad and a former kid where it's like the kids will make any promises they need to make to get that 43:17 dog in the house mhm yep and then they'll write off in like two weeks and 43:23 then the dad who's already busy is now on like [ __ ] patrol and walking patrol 43:29 and Exactly so you identified with his face what is his What's it George is it 43:34 George what was his name george Newton so it's George and Alice Newton i mean I 43:40 Yes well there's a meme about the But you do end up falling in love with the dog you never wanted yeah there's no 43:47 pure love exists between a man and then the dog that he never wanted never wanted yeah that's kind of like my dog 43:53 and I I didn't like my dog kind of got like sprung on us and I made like a 43:59 spur-of-the- moment decision to get him and I initially regretted it because we had a young but my daughter was a year 44:05 and a half we had a young toddler around and we have this puppy and puppies are as you know like they're a lot of work i 44:12 wouldn't say they're as much work as a new child but they're still a lot of work well and you have a a toddler and a 44:18 puppy at the same time that is a lot yeah yeah so it's like But it's worth it like he's he's family he's 11 they're 44:24 all like he's he grew up with your daughter that's so cute oh yeah they My kids don't know life without that dog 44:32 he's been all they cannot remember life before him so luckily little dogs live a 44:38 long time so but yeah yeah i was like don't get this dog even though I love 44:44 dogs and I think it's good for kids to have a dog like I think it's good or a 44:49 pet doesn't have to be a dog but I think it's good that you're responsible for something and like looking after it and 44:56 caring i think it's you know it's not like essential you don't have to but I I think it's nice and I think there's like 45:02 research to back that up i'm pretty sure but yeah this dog is wrecking their 45:07 house which they do that they certainly do i got to say though 45:13 and this is partially why kids kids love a dog and that Beethoven the puppy version i mean even when he's not a 45:19 puppy but a little fluffball i mean how could you not fall in love with that 45:24 cute little [ __ ] yeah yeah so my family has a tradition of like my the 45:32 family I grew up in of getting pets without asking other family members if it's okay like just bringing home 45:38 animals okay like how's that go over pretty good it works to be honest but 45:45 it's like what what makes it work is that they're so cute mhm so for instance 45:51 my parents got cancelled talking to my sister and I of course we're thrilled and then without telling my dad my mom 45:58 and my sister and I got a a dog like he was a German Shepherd crossing the border collie like I think he was like 46:05 six weeks old and we brought him home and my dad was like having a nap on the couch and we put him on my dad's chest 46:13 and he licked my dad's face and woke my dad up and my dad kind of like bonded with him right away right like he 46:19 charmed his way in right away and then my dad did a revenge purchase of a 46:25 different dog i love this oh my god and there's been a couple more 46:30 of those over the years so yes animals that does happen and they're cute and 46:36 they're that's I think literally like evolutionarily wise that's why like if young kids and babies are cute young 46:43 animals are cute it makes you not want to kill them cuz you would otherwise i say that to my now granted I have a dog 46:51 like they're not puppies and kids grow outgrow their cuteness but I guess by that time you've bonded and you've 46:58 already fall in love so yeah it's too late yeah once they're like a hormonal 47:03 teenager the bond's already rock solid so yeah but I say all the time oh you're 47:09 lucky you're cute you know when they're naughty speaking of which there's a scene where Beethoven steals food was it 47:17 like the Thanksgiving turkey or something what was it he steals a turkey leg he also gets He's also a very 47:25 altruistic dog where he gets baked goods from the bakery not stealing mind you 47:31 and then gives it to the homeless dog that he once kind of was connected to 47:37 from the pet theft ring yes and and I'm like no dog would ever do that that is 47:42 not how dogs roll like the phrase dog eat dog is a thing right but he Beethoven's not starving he doesn't need 47:49 it you know so in this give a [ __ ] they're like I'm eating this anyways they don't care like they're not going to they don't look after each other like 47:56 that especially if it's like not in their pack right but in this universe this child movie universe of course yes 48:02 it's totally fine poking fun like I have legit problems with the plot of shooting the dog in the head plot like that's 48:08 [ __ ] stupid easily solvable which is also not that familyfriendly of a plot yeah it's very 48:16 dark yeah whereas Beethoven giving like the cinnamon knot to that dog that's 48:22 cute it's like unrealistic but it's cute it makes sense for a family movie i'll allow it mhm and agreed yeah it there's 48:30 also like little tiny subplots too like the son getting bullied at school 48:38 which I don't think anything happens with that that I remember you just see Well Beethoven kind of 48:45 stands behind him and intimidates the kids cuz he's a big intimidating dog and 48:51 it makes the kid think he was intimidating them that's right yeah no you're right and then he also kind of 48:58 plays matchmaker with the daughter who's named Rice i don't get that name r Y C 49:04 that is There are two things I recall from this movie the fact that the oldest 49:10 daughter's name was Rice yeah I remember that too yeah that's why I remember it cuz it's so unusual 49:17 and you know the the corporate types in the patio chairs getting dragged off by 49:23 Beethoven that's literally all I remembered from this movie i remember the on when he shook off on the bed i 49:29 remember that part but yeah from I think I kind of liked Rice as a kid so 49:35 I remember her i remembered her quite a bit but yeah the dog plays some matchmaker but you don't really see 49:41 anything that happens with that other than like they know who she is yeah but like the dog escapes during 49:48 this is another weird plot where the dog like escapes the yard on the daily 49:54 because everyone recognizes him like the baker recognizes him they give him stuff 50:01 he comes to the school he doesn't seem to be noticed by anyone like he's kind of like a regular fixture around there 50:08 the kids are not surprised to see him they're like "Oh hey Beethoven." Imagine you're at school and your dog shows up 50:15 without your parents he's kind of doing his thing like he's he's moving he's shaking he's making 50:22 things happen with the kids at school so I guess they're not really subplots but it just shows like the you know the dog 50:28 he's he's earning his keep so to speak well and how he's so lovable like he's a 50:34 he's good for them it's trying to drive that point home that he he's a good thing in their lives well let's let's Cast highlights and 90s formulaic charm 50:41 talk about our family in the cast so Charles Groden plays the dad did you 50:48 recognize him from anything Kyle you know what i thought I did i'm like man this guy's familiar i looked him up i 50:54 always look people up on Wikipedia while I'm watching a movie mhm and I'm like 51:00 were these titles that they sh I'm like I don't remember these movies but he looks familiar to you doesn't he but he 51:06 does but I think I might be from this film i just don't remember you maybe he 51:11 was also Did you see Midnight Run with Bobby D you don't That's That's Yeah I 51:17 don't think I did yeah he's got a lot of credits he started in TV 51:23 back in the 50s this is something I want to mention actually because I was surprised at how old he was mhm and how 51:31 young Bonnie Hunt is i was just going to Yes yeah like he was born in 35 51:38 or 39 or like in the 30s mhm and she was born in 60 60 or 61 there's like a 25 51:45 year age gap between them there is so he was 56 at the time of filming she was 29 51:53 but it didn't look weird to me until I read that like I I bought them as a 51:58 couple cuz he looks younger and she looks older I think yeah exactly exactly 52:03 it's funny too like now that this movie's like 33 years old the clothes she's wearing and the hairstyle she has 52:10 makes her seem so like matronly yeah makes her seem older in my view agreed i 52:17 bought him as like 42 like I I thought he looked way younger than which is 52:22 unusual we almost always say people look older like back in the day like I was going to 52:29 say like I'm 41 i don't look anywhere near the way he looks right yeah yeah i 52:34 don't know it's wild i was reading about this age difference being a thing it's interesting that I didn't blink twice 52:40 when I was watching the movie i didn't They didn't look weird to me together even though he technically could be her 52:48 dad oh sure age-wise so the director originally wanted a different actor that 52:53 was closer in age to Charles because they must have cast him first but then 52:59 they I guess had the best chemistry and he pointed out that like back in the day 53:05 Katherine Heppern would always co-star with people super old like Carrie Grant and Fred a stair Humphrey Bogart were 53:12 her romantic interests so he eventually agreed yeah you want someone around 40 53:19 in that role given the kid's age right right because I think Rice is in junior 53:25 high yeah i I think so cuz I think I remember 53:31 thinking I was about her age so she Yeah she was probably like 11 or 12 i'm the 53:36 actress who I looked up on Wikipedia [ __ ] smoke show now well did you watch The Nanny that's who she's she's 53:43 Maggie on the Nanny oh yeah okay thank you i was like she's been in other [ __ ] 53:49 mhm maggie and the Nanny the oldest daughter in that show yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah now that you say that I'm like 53:55 of course that's her but that was bugging me actually I didn't bother looking it up mind you but I saw I just 54:01 looked up on Wikipedia when I was watching i was just I was trying to find people's ages 54:07 like she's born in late '7s so she's like a few years older than you but she's close enough to your age the the 54:14 son is actually the middle son is actually just a year older than you and did you rec Okay so so the actress 54:22 who plays Rice her name is Nicole Tom and like we said she was on the nanny 54:28 and then Ted the middle child who's a boy 54:33 christopher Castile is the actor did you recognize him he seems so familiar but I 54:39 did not place him did you ever watch the show Step by Step yes yeah yeah that's 54:45 Yeah I Mark Suzanne Summer's Yeah son in that show yeah but he wasn't like that's 54:51 it i don't really I don't know what else he went on to do yeah that show was on the TJF lineup which was another as a 54:58 family we watched TGIF on Friday nights that's what you did yeah that's what he did i You know what i'm going to sell 55:05 this like an old person but I miss those days we've lost something katie I agree 55:10 i agree and I always I I am the old person like I don't have kids so nobody is to here to keep me young and hip hip 55:19 i'm worth it i'm hip tuck duck tuck duck and And I'm I don't care i feel like I 55:24 was born a grumpy old man like I've always been kind of a grumpy old man mhm 55:30 yeah it's just I feel like I'm like now that I'm 40 I'm like I feel more in my 55:35 own skin now then I don't think I was ever meant to be like a 21-year-old no yeah i've 55:42 always also like thinking about Bonnie Hunt and I feel bad because it's not like she was like wrinkly or anything it 55:48 was just again I think she just came across older for some reason than 29 55:55 yeah i would have pegged her closer to 40 yeah but I feel like I'm like that 56:00 like I always look older i don't know i always present older than I am when I 56:07 was 25 people probably thought I was 35 you know oh okay yeah so did you like buy liquor for your friends when you 56:13 were young no cuz they carred they you I didn't but 56:19 I bought cigarettes sometimes I could buy cigarettes they bought me as a as an 18-year-old when I was 15 but that's Oh 56:26 I forgot cuz you guys age 21 too yeah okay oh yeah you guys it's 18 eh 56:33 here in in Alberta it is some places in Canada it's 19 the little daughter 56:40 Sarah Rose Carr plays Emily the youngest daughter yeah yeah she has a very specific look about her right right i 56:49 feel like I remembered her from this vaguely or maybe it was from Kindergarten Cop because she was in 56:56 Kindergarten Cop and Father of the Bride it's not a tumor 57:02 and then Oliver Platt and Stanley Tucci i did not recall them at all they're the henchmen 57:09 david Dovny is one of the shady like finance types he and Patricia Heaton 57:16 they're I guess a couple because they have the same last name in the movie i 57:22 guess they have the same last name anyway um so Patricia Heaton is 57:29 obviously I mean I don't know you you've seen Everybody Loves Raymond I assume 57:35 yeah yeah yeah yeah so she's in that and then the middle which I really like the show The Middle i kind of like that show 57:42 i I liked them as villains even though their their villain character was so stupid like so stupid like big big city 57:50 people aren't like that but in these kind of movies they always are they always are like the childless career 57:57 woman in a lot of these movies is like a villain but they're invited for a 58:02 barbecue they're like "A barbecue how quaint i'm like no one would say that also 58:10 David Dubovnney I remember him being like the late '8s early 90s douchebag 58:18 type character like this like he was in he seems like that guy like he also played a very similar character in Don't 58:25 Tell Mom the babysitter's dead and I thought I misreciled 58:33 that he was Todd in like with Margot and Todd in Christmas Vacation oh yeah he's 58:40 not but it seems like one of those things when I looked it up 58:48 i just I don't know this is just wild it's like a communal misrememance 58:53 because all over the internet other people thought the same thing and it's the Mandela effect you know who is in 58:59 Christmas Vacation john Gleki or like he played Johnny Gleki yeah he played 59:05 Leonard in Big Bang Theory he's the son in that movie yeah yeah he is it's weird 59:11 like how many people like they have childhood roles you don't think about 59:17 and then you go back and you're like "Oh he's the Yeah he's David from Roseanne to me." Oh yeah for sure yeah m I think 59:25 the that Big Bang Theory and Roseanne that's like the same guy right who did those 59:31 who directed those i think it was like Marcy Cary i know no 59:36 no chuck Lori yeah i don't know if that was things 59:42 he did Big Bang Theory chuck Lori I think so yeah I think you're right he also did Roseanne i think they had that 59:48 the actress who played Darlene in Roseanne she's also on Big Bang yeah 59:54 it kind of has the same vibe a little bit actually he probably did he probably wasn't as big of a deal on Roseanne 1:00:01 because it was just so much further in the past yeah he was like his Yeah I think he was 1:00:08 involved in it yeah yeah I think you're right it happens occasionally you know mhm me 1:00:14 being right it does happen occasionally a broken clock is right twice a day this is true i was going to talk about Randy 1:00:22 Edelman who did the music for this because we talked about him in the Tall 1:00:29 Tale episode which actually Oliver Platt is also in 1:00:34 that anyway yeah he did the music for Tall Tale with Patrick in 95 as well as 1:00:40 the theme for MacGyver Randy Edelman and Twins 1:00:46 Ghostbusters 2 and Kindergarten Cop so he's got kind of a genre right yeah okay 1:00:53 so music-wise too I I showed my daughter the trailer for the movie to see if she 1:00:59 would be willing to watch it i was going to ask what she thought about it i was going to ask if she could be on 1:01:05 the pod for 5 minutes to talk about it but she's not here right now she's at her grandma's house or else I would have 1:01:11 asked you she didn't mind it it was like not her like different generation you 1:01:18 know what I mean like you show this to people she like but she she loves dogs 1:01:24 not only does she love our dog but she loves other dogs and she has like lots of dog stuffies like she's really into 1:01:29 dogs in general so that's the hook I use for this movie but I was going to say when I showed her the trailer 1:01:37 there's like this certain guitar riff that happens that I feel like is in 1:01:42 every '9s family movie trailer mhm mhm yeah like when there's like kind of the ramp up to what the movie's about and 1:01:49 I'm just like Jesus who what is this why does everyone have to play this i feel like I don't maybe I'm wrong but I just 1:01:55 feel like this is in every [ __ ] trailer back then you're right and there are certain 1:02:02 things like there's a formula to this type of a movie the from the opening to 1:02:08 the world building to the music yeah it's it's very formulaic 1:02:14 i guess there were a lot of good things about it like the actors were really good i thought all of the actors were good um the dog was great there were 1:02:22 like 12 standins for him but his name was Chris the dog's name Chris 1:02:30 what beethoven is Chris that's weird when you have Okay I've done this i made this i've had this sin with a dog before 1:02:37 but like giving dogs human names i had a dog named Marty remember I was 1:02:44 at work and I talked to this guy's name is Marty i'm like "Hey my dog's name Marty." He's like "Why did you give your dog a human name?" Marty 1:02:51 so there's some names like that that can kind of go either way but then there's 1:02:57 like what what are you going to name your dog your dog like Keith here Dave come here boy yeah you know there's 1:03:04 certain names that seem a little too human and it would be weird to name your dog that like Chris who names their dog 1:03:10 Chris we had a repair guy at our house and my dog Marty was doing something 1:03:15 stupid and my mom's like "Marty stop that." And this guy looked over and like 1:03:20 his name was Marty like Kyle or Katie would be weird dog 1:03:27 names right well they're weird names in general though not weird names but like 1:03:34 no one names their kids Kyle or maybe Katie a little bit but no one names their son Kyle nowadays very few people 1:03:42 like it's becoming an old person name katie is on its way i think Katie has a little more I think Kyle's a little more 1:03:47 flash in the pan yes that's the perfect Katie's more like traditional yeah a 1:03:53 little Your full name is Catherine right no it's Katie is it really katie okay 1:03:58 cool do you know my last name's a little long so I Yeah fair enough fair enough yeah um but yeah I feel like Katie or 1:04:07 Catherine is will come and go mhm but it will always be there i feel like Kyle 1:04:13 has always existed to a degree not always but like basically shot up in the 1:04:18 70s 80s 90s yes and then is done it's all Ethan it's like in that same vein 1:04:25 like it's like a cool edgy name kind of i think Kyle is like a internet 1:04:33 you call someone it's like a kind of like a [ __ ] boy who drinks like monsters and has like a Dodge Ram it's not good 1:04:42 oh I I thought you were thinking of like Chad a Chad or Yeah well that's like the new thing now yeah chad i think Chad is 1:04:49 kind of not a bad thing necessarily incelss will not like a Chad but like a Chad is like a Chad gets laid right yes 1:04:58 yeah yeah um I'm fine with my name i don't care if people make fun of it but yeah it's not like No one's name their 1:05:04 kid Kyle and I'm cool with that it's Might I suggest Rice who doesn't like 1:05:10 Grace it's not spelled like that though it's with a Y it's like It's like Bryce 1:05:17 it's like Bryce with an R i actually am against naming your kids weird names 1:05:23 especially I I'm really into conventional spelling for names same because it's like don't 1:05:30 make your [ __ ] kid have to spell their name out to everyone for the rest of their life if you're gonna name your 1:05:36 kid Ashley do not spell it with an L E I 1:05:41 G H yeah or even this is more controversial don't spell Jeff g E O FF 1:05:51 don't Joffrey it's like is he could do it but if you're English no don't do 1:05:57 that or there's Utah is really bad for this oh like they'll they'll find like 1:06:02 really just stupid ways to spell the most normal names i'm almost tempted to look up a few but it's like like Ashley 1:06:11 be like a s h l e it's like McKenzie it' be like m a m a k 1:06:19 e n s e i g h or something like McKenzie is one that that people if you're going 1:06:26 to name there's a certain type of person that names their kid McKenzie first of all and then they always spell it a 1:06:31 little weird I feel like Yeah yeah like I have to spell my last name to people because it's a slightly different 1:06:37 spelling and like I've accepted it in just what I do but thank God there are 1:06:46 other spellings of Kyle but mine's like by far the most common one if you do ke 1:06:52 I l or k i e l I've seen that a couple times yeah exactly exactly but in my 1:07:00 work there's like 110 people in my office there is a Kyle a Kyla and a 1:07:07 Kylie mhm so I've never felt but like growing up there was always another Kyle 1:07:12 in my class yeah anyway this we digress but yeah 1:07:18 Rice don't names fun with names 1:07:23 rice is a bad idea and if you're going to do it spell it R I C E don't be a [ __ ] [ __ ] and make them explain 1:07:31 both their weird name and the weird spelling of their weird name agreed 1:07:36 agreed agreed yeah let's see oh '9s things there was just like so many 1:07:43 formulaic stuff from the '9s which I kind of loved because it's it was like a time capsule but Doberman's as like mean 1:07:51 vicious dogs junkyard Dogs yeah mhm loved that yeah i just The '9s just 1:07:58 cheesy movie in general yes i'm like ah the '9s the '9s it's funny how as 1:08:04 different as it looked it wasn't that different true like that house could be a house today other than maybe some 1:08:12 technology differences but you know in general like the decor wasn't like 1:08:19 awful like screaming ' 90s at you yeah yeah or like the cars looked a bit 1:08:25 different mhm but you know and like clothes were a little bit It wasn't that 1:08:30 different though like it's we've talked about this on the other show but it's like there's something about I don't know why but like between the 70s and 1:08:38 the 90s seems like a long time maybe because I wasn't there for it but if you look at the style in 1972 versus 1992 or 1:08:47 let's go back 33 years from 1992 so like 1969 would look way [ __ ] different 1:08:54 from 1992 and it does look different from 1992 to 1:09:00 now that the difference isn't nearly as big i feel like if I showed up looking like this in 1992 no one would say [ __ ] 1:09:07 yeah you're right yeah they'd be like "Cool name Kyle." Such a stylish name i remember when I 1:09:14 saw Terminator and the character was Kyle Reese and I was like I've never seen a Kyle in film it was like you 1:09:21 don't see a lot of Kyle's in film but you don't yeah you're right interesting you see we got laid as we do 1:09:29 it's a kind of our thing just saying there was one thing that I was not expecting to happen that I enjoyed but 1:09:36 before that at the end when the bad guys get caught right that that of course is 1:09:41 going to happen it's a happy ending spoiler alert yes and they free all the dogs in the cages i Was it just me or 1:09:51 were you screaming at the TV what are you doing can we do this in an orderly fashion so we can find their owners 1:09:56 you're just setting you're just creating a bunch of stray animals just just the the you know okay haven't you ever heard 1:10:02 these stories about a family pet that gets lost on a road trip vacation and they somehow 1:10:10 homeward bounding like 700 miles to your house i think the movie producers Well 1:10:17 this will just happen with all these pets here they're probably find their way home no cars will hit them no other 1:10:23 shady characters will pick them up and try and sell them for some purposes that are not good like bait 1:10:30 dogs and stuff so yeah that drove me insane and then at the end when they're 1:10:36 like "Good night Beethoven." So now they love Beethoven and he gets to sleep in their room with them i can't remember if 1:10:41 he was on the bed or not was Beethoven on the bed with them oh I can't remember but yeah he's in that little dog house 1:10:47 that I'm like "How does he fit in that thing?" Oh well so then they're like "Good night good night Beethoven." And 1:10:53 then I thought "Oh for sure." Then they're going to We It's not over yet and I'm like "Oh they adopted the little 1:10:59 Jack Russell dog." That was kind of his little sidekick this Oh yes yes all the dogs live with them yeah i was not 1:11:06 expecting all of those dogs i guess that's where they all went 1:11:11 oh I didn't even realize that they tattoo the ears i don't know if they had microchips in the early 90s they did in 1:11:17 the late 90s i know in 1998 microchips for dogs was common because we 1:11:22 microchipped our dog in 1998 but there is identific 1:11:29 chipped I assume they are yeah yeah but yeah in '92 I don't know if they would be but still find their Yeah like cuz I 1:11:37 remember like the more expensive option was chipping but otherwise would get 1:11:42 neutered or whatever while they're down anyways they just tattoo their ear while they're like asleep oh okay it's just 1:11:49 the inside of their ear so like you can't you wouldn't notice it otherwise i had heard of people like high society 1:11:57 types that are like care about the bloodlines and stuff like they'll have there's like a specific tattoo for the 1:12:04 Oh sure whatever blood that's like huge business like you like certain dog breeding and bloodlines and just adopt 1:12:12 your local mut from your animal shelter exactly because they love you just as much as a peerbred and peerbred dogs 1:12:18 have many physical deficiencies because you're not supposed to inbreed them like that they are your dog will be far 1:12:24 healthier but I would also like to say even if even if you want a purebred dog 1:12:30 something like 40% of dogs in shelters are purebred plus there is a dog rescue for every breed 1:12:36 out there i have blood hounds and they're both rescues and Bubble was even a baby when I got her but from a rescue 1:12:44 yeah yeah well it's saying rescues are cheaper and like more ethical like what what's the 1:12:51 downside well they're not always cheaper but but they will already come sped or 1:12:56 neutered so there's that yeah I know like for cats here they just give 1:13:02 them away like they can't you don't have to pay for a cat here well the cuz cat 1:13:08 there's so gosh darn many of them yeah exactly charge something to to weed out 1:13:15 people will do horrible things that is a business that people will go in the take all the free animals and use them for 1:13:22 either food for their snake if it's a kitten or kitten to really 1:13:28 that's [ __ ] nuts i I know people do it with mice and stuff like that yeah or dog fighting bait or you know various 1:13:36 thing like pe people are sick so people are people are there's a lot of [ __ ] up people there really are also don't 1:13:43 ever let your pets outside unattended because they do actually get stolen for those same types of purposes anyway 1:13:49 that's my PSA for you all be careful people watch out your goddamn pets 1:13:54 people yeah keep an eye on them and yeah so I guess I didn't even think of that 1:14:00 all those dogs but either way they're out loose now you got to wrangle them 1:14:06 somehow how do they come home what do you You can't like It's just a 1:14:12 You know what i'm okay with all the dogs being there because it's so stupid at this point like my will is just broken i 1:14:17 also love how that guy the main villain the vet got like a 1:14:24 dozen syringes to the chest yeah they were like giant like cartoonish looking 1:14:30 fluid fil and so my wife works in the medical field and she thought it was funny that all of the syringes are like 1:14:37 up like this she's like "Who would do that?" 1:14:43 Oh so many things not not quite right i did see so Dr dr varnick who we didn't 1:14:50 talk about he he's actually played by Dean Jones and he's a singer more so 1:14:55 than an actor and has won awards for it but they considered the dad from ALF to 1:15:02 play him h I got a kick out of his glasses 1:15:07 dr barnick yeah he had like really strong prescription glasses or like his 1:15:12 eyes were magnified it kind of reminds me of Bubbles from Trailer Park Boys 1:15:20 yeah yeah I can see that there's a bias against glasses though i think they did that for a reason 1:15:26 well he was supposed to be you know veterinarian they're like nerdy scientists i don't know the worse your 1:15:33 vision is the more the smarter you are that is how that works i'm pretty sure it Yes well I must be brilliant then 1:15:41 cuz I can't see for [ __ ] what's your prescription i don't have one i had 1:15:47 LASIC done twice oh okay but I like now and so the older you get they're like 1:15:53 "Well you'll need reading glasses." I'm like "No I need glasses." Glasses i can't see still fur there's a one in my 1:16:00 office that got LASIK at 40 and she's 51 now and she wears glasses i've never had 1:16:07 2020 even with LASIK do you ever Did you ever use contacts 1:16:12 i hated them i showed it one like one time and I wore them for like 20 years 1:16:18 from like sixth grade on i think there's like a ton of casting whatifs essentially like every famous actor in 1:16:24 the approximate age range for both George and Alice so I didn't really 1:16:29 think that was that interesting i was just thinking of the 1:16:34 I think Ed O'Neal would have been funniest to Did you see that he was one of them considered oh no i just 1:16:42 Beethoven really I think had probably one of the shakiest plots that I've ever seen in a 1:16:49 movie ever yeah ever ever not just like '90s family movies but yeah one of the dumbest plots now I haven't seen 1:16:55 Battlefield Earth i don't know what that is okay oh I think actually it's rated the worst 1:17:02 movie of all time but it was funded and written kind of a John Travolta but it's 1:17:08 based off a Elron Hubard yes yes I've heard of it this thing was just 1:17:14 shoehorned in there to promote Scientology it's the dumbest [ __ ] movie so people 1:17:21 say I actually kind of want to watch it just like to hate watch it suggestion Katie you know you don't have to do 1:17:27 Battlefield Earth so it's just it like a propaganda movie or I know I don't know it was based on a book written by Elron 1:17:33 Hubard where it's like it's like the year 3000 and these aliens kind of run Earth instead of humans and oh they're 1:17:40 like resisting against them and which doesn't sound horrible like that's but 1:17:46 Elbert was a nut job and I think a lot of his books sucked so and this apparently was one of them like had not 1:17:54 George Travolta funded it so much i think it never no one would have invested in it now that you brought that 1:17:59 I have heard of it i don't know if I want to waste two hours on something like that but anyways so this is 1:18:05 Battlefield Earth might be a contender for worst plot perhaps but this was one 1:18:10 of the stupidest plots you know just the fact that it's a dog that's all you need i love a giant breed 1:18:18 dog like I have blood hounds now i had I've had three Great Danes i had a mastiff mix i I love a big dog but man 1:18:27 not even that could rescue this movie for me it's just like a chaotic mix of 1:18:32 nonsense shoved together and it's almost like they tried to make the plot convoluted 1:18:39 and not make sense like you couldn't make it that bad if you tried so I don't 1:18:44 know i I do not blame John Hughes for not wanting to put his real name on this 1:18:49 but I feel like the villains and that was put in at the end 1:18:55 like I feel like they just had this family like they knew they would have to have a villain so they wrote it with 1:19:01 that in mind but I think they're like "Okay we need to come up with something like it was an afterthought." But there were two like there was even like a 1:19:08 Bplot there was like secondary villains yeah but it's like the villains are just I think they're there because you're 1:19:14 supposed to have them even though they're not needed but it's like as you were talking about how like formulaic 1:19:20 these '9s family movies are you have to have a villain i understand that you 1:19:26 have to have conflict you have to have a challenge to overcome but that can come from within in the family have to come from glasses [ __ ] which if you want 1:19:34 to like it's a trademark name but like if if you 1:19:40 really want to go with a plot where they're going to kill the doctors the dog do this big corporation Mhm want to 1:19:47 do testing on animals say it's like some European makeup company or some [ __ ] like that make them the corporate 1:19:53 henchmen what's wrong with that you could do that that's believable small town vet doing munitions testing is like 1:20:01 what drug were you doing when you came up with that and well I guess we have to seek out the big dog like biggest dog 1:20:09 also they not only want to keep Beethoven overnight for observation 1:20:15 after some just like annual shots not only that but then there is an 1:20:20 unannounced house call from the veterinarian to follow up about vaccines 1:20:29 it's I don't know man but at least Beethoven was cute in all stages beethoven was a cute dog kyle thank you Final thoughts on Beethoven’s nostalgic value 1:20:36 so much for joining me on season two and living through Beethoven because I 1:20:42 remembered it very differently than re-watching it the other day what are 1:20:47 your closing thoughts i paid $5 to rent that off Prime and I don't feel bad okay 1:20:55 you know what it was even though the movie had a stupid plot it brought back some memories it brought some nostalgia 1:21:02 for me it was an excuse for my family to get together and I think that's what a lot of these movies were for and for 1:21:08 that reason I'm okay with it for its time and for its place it was good 1:21:14 enough it could have been better they definitely could have made some things better but it got the job done the box 1:21:20 office showed that it got the job done it is what it is and I'm just I'm 1:21:26 willing to just accept it's all good i concur i concur 1:21:33 well you guys if you enjoyed this little trip down memory lane even though we 1:21:38 poked a lot of holes in it share the show write a quick review or you can just say hi i'm all ears and until next 1:21:45 time be kind rewind