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DEVILISH MOM & DAUGHTER DUO RUN AFTER "PATIENT" DIES FROM ILLEGAL GARAGE BUTT-LIFT · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace talk about a mother and
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Speaker 1: daughter act. I don't know what images that conjures up
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Speaker 1: in your mind, mother daughter. I bet it has nothing
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Speaker 1: to do with the death of a twenty six year
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Speaker 1: old young girl who's guilty of one thing. She wanted
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Speaker 1: to look better. I Meancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation
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Speaker 1: and series XM one eleven. First of all, take a
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Speaker 1: listen to our friends at ABC seven. Clissa roj Paul,
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Speaker 1: seen in a video posted on social media. Undergoing but augmentation.
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Speaker 1: Raj Paul had two procedures performed illegally at a home
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Speaker 1: and Encino last September. She died after getting a third procedure.
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Speaker 1: Police say Lydi Adami and her daughter, Alicia Gomez presented
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Speaker 1: themselves as specialists. Both have been arrested on murdered charges.
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Speaker 1: These individuals have no medical training, they are not experienced,
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Speaker 1: and they are putting people's lives and health at risk.
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Speaker 1: Investigators suspect the women injected Rajpaul with some substances used
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Speaker 1: by qualified cosmetic physicians, but combined them with dangerous chemicals.
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Speaker 1: They were mixing them with other chemicals and other substances
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Speaker 1: that clearly are not appropriate for any kind of medical
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Speaker 1: procedure that would be performed on a human. You know,
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Speaker 1: sometimes I think I've heard at all. I've heard of
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Speaker 1: mixing silicone with cement, mix, sawdust, you name it, and
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Speaker 1: that being injected into people's bodies as plastic surgery. Assured
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Speaker 1: tickets straight to the Morgue with me and all Star
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Speaker 1: panel to make sense of what we know right now.
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Speaker 1: But first I want to go to special guests Terry J. Dubro,
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Speaker 1: star of botch seven year itch on E. I mean
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Speaker 1: it goes on and on and on. I just I
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Speaker 1: can't even put in all your qualifications, Doctor Terry Dubro,
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us and taking time out
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Speaker 1: of your schedule. Doctor Dubro, What is happening? What? This
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Speaker 1: is a mother and daughter? What performing? But let's in
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Speaker 1: their garage? What? Unfortunately asking this is more common than
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Speaker 1: people may realize. This is part of what's called the
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Speaker 1: pumping party phenomenon, where unlicensed he goes down. Wait a minute,
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Speaker 1: p U M P I n G. Pumping party. I
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Speaker 1: mean I've heard of a botox party. Yeah, and I
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Speaker 1: just always a bunch of rich socialites sitting around a
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Speaker 1: brunch getting injected, you know, with their grand piano in
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Speaker 1: the background. I mean, that's just what I imagine. I've
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Speaker 1: never heard of a pumping party. What's that, Jill. Pumping
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Speaker 1: party is where unlicensed practitioners go to believe or not,
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Speaker 1: places like hardware stores and get crazy blue caulking material
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Speaker 1: right in the middle of a sep of my favorite tea.
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Speaker 1: And you said hardware store. So far in my career,
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Speaker 1: I haven't spit out anything on air, but it was
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Speaker 1: very close. Pick it up with hardware store, doctor de Brive. What. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: they go to these hardware stores and it gets material
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Speaker 1: that it is supposed to be what's called inerts. It's
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Speaker 1: not supposed to react to the human body, but of
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Speaker 1: course it's not sterile. Once it's injected into the buttock,
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Speaker 1: it can get infected. But in these cases where these
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Speaker 1: practitioners are causing death, there's very short blood vessels in
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Speaker 1: the buttock area that are directly connected to the main
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Speaker 1: vessel bringing blood back to the heart, called the vena cava.
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Speaker 1: If you injected in those little blood vessels and it
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Speaker 1: gets in the main vessel, it goes right to the
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Speaker 1: right side of your heart to your lungs, and it
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Speaker 1: literally kills you right then and there. I'm just trying
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Speaker 1: to take in everything you just said. Remember, doctor, I'm
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Speaker 1: a JD. You're the m date. Could you just pick
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Speaker 1: it up one more time. For those of us that
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Speaker 1: have never heard about pumping parties in hardware stores, could
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Speaker 1: you just say all that again. Did you say cock?
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Speaker 1: Did you say cock? Go ahead, cawking. Okay. So these
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Speaker 1: practitioners are trying to fill up people's buttocks to enhance
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Speaker 1: their buttock, the buttock augmentation. So they go to a
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Speaker 1: hardware store and they pick up these materials that are
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Speaker 1: designed to be used during house construction, and the common
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Speaker 1: one is glue or calking materials, the material that you
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Speaker 1: put between tiles in your bathroom that sealant. Those are
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Speaker 1: things they eject in the buttock to make the buttock bigger. Unfortunately,
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Speaker 1: they can get into the main blood vessel that brings
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Speaker 1: blood back to your heart. It clogs up the arteries
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Speaker 1: that supply your lungs, and you essentially injected directly into
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Speaker 1: your lungs and death. And and it's actually more common
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Speaker 1: than I think people realize, Doctor du Bro joining me
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Speaker 1: Star of Botch seven year itch On, a author of
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Speaker 1: doctrine Missus Guinea pig present the only guy you'll ever
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Speaker 1: need to the best anti aging treatments. That's certainly a mouthful,
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Speaker 1: doctor du Bro. I don't understand something. They didn't teach me,
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Speaker 1: the inn criminal law. I thought, when you inject anything,
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Speaker 1: just to just say a shot of vaccine anything, So
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Speaker 1: when you inject something into your body that it goes
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Speaker 1: through all of your blood vessels all over your body,
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Speaker 1: that you can't differentiate between where it's going to go
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Speaker 1: in this vein or not in the vein to your heart.
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Speaker 1: I didn't know you could even differentiate that. Yes, I mean,
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Speaker 1: if you think about when people get facial fillers, it's
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Speaker 1: these fillers are designed to be injected into the soft tissue.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely you have to avoid the blood vessels because if
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Speaker 1: you get in the blood vessel and it clogged at
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Speaker 1: the blood vessels. I see what you're saying. It's supposed
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Speaker 1: to go in the muscle tissue and not into the
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Speaker 1: vein exactly the salt tissue alone, not the blood. Say.
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Speaker 1: It only took three tries for me to figure that out.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, doctor du Bro. I want to get back
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Speaker 1: to what's happening right now, doctor du Bro, I blame,
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Speaker 1: and of course she's not legally liable. But I think
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Speaker 1: this was the tipping point that really pushed the whole
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Speaker 1: butt implants, fake silicone treatments phenomena over the cliff. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our cut nine. This is Danny hoyt
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Speaker 1: At Celebified. Did Kim Kardashian officially break the Internet? The
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Speaker 1: infamous reality star took to her Instagram to share her
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Speaker 1: provocative cover photos for Paper Magazines twenty fourteen Winner issue,
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Speaker 1: taken by famed French photographer Jean Paul Gooday. One photo
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Speaker 1: shows Kim exposing her bear oiled up boutet, Kim's most
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Speaker 1: well known asset, while the other features her fully clothed
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Speaker 1: balancing a champagne glass on her end table. And they
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Speaker 1: say I didn't have talent, Kim captioned, try balancing a
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Speaker 1: champagne glass on your ass Lol. No, thanks, Kimmy, I'm good.
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Speaker 1: The race of your cover has naturally spawned hundreds of
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Speaker 1: butt theme memes, So whether or not she broke the Internet,
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Speaker 1: she's certainly the butt of its jokes. What do you
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Speaker 1: think of her paper magazine covers? High fashion or hot mess.
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Speaker 1: But now people are dying, dying to David Woodroff. You
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Speaker 1: may know his name in legal circles. We all know
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Speaker 1: his name, Denver trial lawyer who represented Emelyn Jin's family,
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Speaker 1: another victim very similar to Charissa in the case we're
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Speaker 1: covering right now, David Woodruff, nothing has happened, it's all
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Speaker 1: the same, And now we've got another dead body. It's
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Speaker 1: unbelievableante and the words spread around the world about Emmelyn's desk,
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Speaker 1: and here we go people having continuing, as doctor Dubrow
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Speaker 1: looks out, having parties to do this together. It's a
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Speaker 1: real shame that the generation has gone this direction. And
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Speaker 1: I played that from Kim Kardashian. It's certainly not Kim
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Speaker 1: Kardashian's fault that people are going to pumping parties in
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Speaker 1: hardware stores and having colk that you put between bathroom
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Speaker 1: tiles injected into their rear ends. But I can guarantee
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Speaker 1: you one thing, one thing, David Woodroff, Kim Kardashian, Kim
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Speaker 1: Kay didn't get her rearen injected in a hardware store. Obviously,
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Speaker 1: these women had no interest in protecting the patients safety
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Speaker 1: at all. If you can call them patients. We're talking
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Speaker 1: to doctor Terry J. Dubro start of Botched and seven
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Speaker 1: year stitch on E and David Woodroffe, high profile lawyer
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Speaker 1: out of Denver who just represented the family of a
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Speaker 1: young girl Emmlent and Gin. Take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: cut ten from the Denver Channel. Emlyn when walked into
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Speaker 1: Colorado Aesthetic plastic surgery in Greenwood Village last summer, ready
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Speaker 1: for an image change. She was so excited after months
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Speaker 1: of saving for a breast doogmentation, just preparing herself for
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Speaker 1: her new immagic Her mom, Lynn fam assured her daughter
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Speaker 1: she'd be fine, but the minutes and hours ticked by.
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Speaker 1: So the doctor was just trying to tell me that
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Speaker 1: Emlyn's fine and she's healthy, but she wasn't. No One
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Speaker 1: ended up in a coma and after being rushed to
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Speaker 1: the hospital, doctor say she suffered a severe brain injury.
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Speaker 1: The family attorney, this should never happen. You know, I've
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Speaker 1: got a question. How old was Emmelyn? David Woodroffe. Em
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Speaker 1: One was eighteen years old. She had just graduated from
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Speaker 1: high school. Emmelyn is dead and we publicized that, we
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Speaker 1: covered it. David Woodroffe has been screaming it from the
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Speaker 1: church spires at the top of the mountains. But yet
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Speaker 1: now we have more deaths. To take a listen now
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Speaker 1: to our friends at NBC four. He says that Doma
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Speaker 1: advertise on social media as Latia, usually endearing term in
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Speaker 1: the Latino community, and that the procedure was done in
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Speaker 1: a private residence in Encino, showing NBC for the evidence
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Speaker 1: he secured in a search warrant. If these items can
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Speaker 1: be transported to the private home. These are the bare
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Speaker 1: necessities to perform these procedures. You knows, the heart monitors,
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Speaker 1: the blood pressure, and any medical equipment for any contingencies
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Speaker 1: for the likelihood on an emergency. They just didn't have it.
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Speaker 1: They just didn't have them. No doctors do this. Board
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Speaker 1: certified Beverly Hills plastic surgeon doctor A. J. Khalil says
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Speaker 1: injecting liquefied silicon into the buttox is not only illegal,
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Speaker 1: it can be deformative at best, deadly at worst. Okay,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Terry J. Dubro joining me start off bots and
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Speaker 1: seven years stitch on a You know, but that's just
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Speaker 1: a sign line. He is a certified a board certified
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Speaker 1: plastic surgeon, doctor Dubro, did you hear that minus the
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Speaker 1: heart equipment, the heart monitor, and all of the medical
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Speaker 1: equipment you need in case something goes wrong, So basically,
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Speaker 1: minus everything you need for a procedure like this. You know, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: it's disgusting, but at the end of the day, they're
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Speaker 1: not trained medical people anyway. They wouldn't even know what
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Speaker 1: to do with the emergency equipment. It would be useless
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Speaker 1: at the end of the day. This is the practice
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Speaker 1: of medicine without a license is extraordinarily dangerous and unfortunately
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Speaker 1: this has been going on since the early two thousand.
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Speaker 1: Deaths have occurred for the last two decades from illegal
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Speaker 1: buttock injections. They get right into the blood vessels supplying
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Speaker 1: the heart and it's over and there's no way to
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Speaker 1: stop it. The reason it occurs is because people want
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Speaker 1: it done. Time stories with Nancy Grace. What's so amazing
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Speaker 1: here is you've got a mother daughter tagged to performing
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Speaker 1: illegal butt lifts ending in death. Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: our friends at CBS. Two detectives in ban I say
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Speaker 1: this mother daughter duo performed an illegal butt lift procedure
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Speaker 1: that killed twenty six year old Charissa ross Paul in
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Speaker 1: October of twenty nineteen, and they tell us there may
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Speaker 1: be other victims at These things are done by people
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Speaker 1: with no training. There's no standards, there's no contingency if
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Speaker 1: something goes wrong. According to investigators, fifty one year old
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Speaker 1: Libby Adami and her daughter, twenty three year old Elisia
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Speaker 1: Galaz have been doing the procedures out of their home
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Speaker 1: since at least twenty twelve. Investigators say that women charged
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Speaker 1: nearly fourteen thousand dollars for three sessions. This is video
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Speaker 1: of ross Paul's second one. She sent the clip to
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Speaker 1: her mother in South Africa to ease her worries, but
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Speaker 1: the twenty six year old died after her third session.
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Speaker 1: As a lot of our family members are, they're totally
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Speaker 1: blindsided by this. The cause of death was silicone embolism
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Speaker 1: in the heart, brain and kidneys. What does that mean?
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Speaker 1: Silicone embolism, doctor bro So. An embolism means when you
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Speaker 1: inject silicone directly into a blood vessel, and it's called embolize.
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Speaker 1: It moves from that blood vessel to an organ and
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Speaker 1: cuts off the blood supply to the organ. The most
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Speaker 1: common cause of death, it cuts off the blood sup
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Speaker 1: lights of the lungs that you basically asphyxiate, you can't
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Speaker 1: supply your arteries with oxygen anymore, and you die on
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Speaker 1: the spot. The fascination of a mother daughter tag team
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Speaker 1: in this case ending in the death of Charissa as
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Speaker 1: Paul joining me kiboline dot Com investigative reporter Nicole Parton. Nicole,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. What happened? So this
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Speaker 1: mother daughter duo advertise on social media and they offer
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Speaker 1: these cosmetic procedures at a fraction of the cost. So
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Speaker 1: this beautiful young lady who contacts them is wanting to
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Speaker 1: get this butt lift that she sets up three sessions
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Speaker 1: with them, and she has two of the sessions which
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Speaker 1: go okay. That third session, she all of a sudden
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Speaker 1: has complications. As if things couldn't get any worse, the
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Speaker 1: mother daughter duo call nine one one, but then leave
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Speaker 1: the scene, basically leaving her there to die. So when
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Speaker 1: paramedics get to the home, they have no idea. They're
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Speaker 1: unaware of the procedure that's happened. She died in the
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Speaker 1: emergency room with the attending physicians unaware that she has
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Speaker 1: been injected with this household silicone had they stayed and
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Speaker 1: at least let the authorities know what had happened. There
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Speaker 1: may have been a chance of survival. But they fled
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Speaker 1: the scene, not even telling anyone what had happened. You know,
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Speaker 1: dogor besany, I don't get it. Who would walk into
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Speaker 1: someone's home for a surgical procedure and what have the
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Speaker 1: procedure done on the kitchen table or at a hardware store?
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Speaker 1: Who does that? Nancy? These women aren't believable, the ones
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Speaker 1: who perform these injections. They have nationalized to themselves, this
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Speaker 1: mother daughter team, that they're helping society, that they're making money,
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Speaker 1: that they are doing something even better than the plastic
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Speaker 1: surgeons are doing. They are offering beauty procedures at a
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Speaker 1: discounted rate. And this mother daughter team, like other criminals,
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Speaker 1: like other con artists, like other snake oil salesmen, they
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Speaker 1: have told themselves this story so many times it becomes
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Speaker 1: a narrative. So when a young woman walks into their apartment,
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Speaker 1: their house, their garage, they say it in such a
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Speaker 1: believable way. Hey, we have these procedures. You don't have
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Speaker 1: to go to the plastic surgeon and pay fifteen thousand dollars.
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Speaker 1: You can pay us thirty five hundred dollars, and it
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Speaker 1: is the same thing. They say it and the victim,
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Speaker 1: the person, the eighteen year old, the twenty six year old,
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Speaker 1: wants to look beautiful and doesn't have the resources, and
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Speaker 1: so they fall prey. And you know, it's not just
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Speaker 1: eighteen year old and twenty six year olds. It's women
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Speaker 1: all over the world who do not have financial resources.
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Speaker 1: These are the victims. It's transgender women who are desperate
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Speaker 1: to inhabit a new kind of body and they're afraid
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Speaker 1: to go to a plastic surgeon. It's women on the
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Speaker 1: fringes of society. It's porn stars maybe who really they
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Speaker 1: want to look beautiful, but maybe they're afraid to go
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Speaker 1: into a doctor's office. So, as is the case with
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Speaker 1: most victims, they are people who are in a very vulnerable,
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Speaker 1: fragile position to begin with. You know, I think it's
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Speaker 1: somehow gotten to be acceptable. I want to go to
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Speaker 1: David Woodruff about the youth of these victims. And I
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Speaker 1: want to go to doctor Dubro, doctor Terry Dubro from
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Speaker 1: botch and seven year Stitch, about the fact that has
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Speaker 1: seemingly become acceptable because I mentioned botox parties where it's
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Speaker 1: almost like a baby shower or a wedding shower, where
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Speaker 1: women get together at someone in someone's home and they
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Speaker 1: all get botox. That sounds dangerous to me, Well, this
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Speaker 1: is doctor brow Bow talks. At least it's legal and
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Speaker 1: it's almost always done by a trained professional. I think
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Speaker 1: it's unseemly to do it to someone's house where there's
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Speaker 1: alcohol being poured and it's a non medical environment, but
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Speaker 1: at least it's legal and it's not experimental. Whereas illegal
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Speaker 1: injections of silicone don't work, they're inappropriate, their complication rate
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Speaker 1: is about eighty percent, and they're dangerous. So botox parties
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Speaker 1: for me are not appropriate and unseemly, but at least
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Speaker 1: it's not frankly illegal and grossly dangerous. You know. David
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Speaker 1: Wood joining me, high profile lawyer out of Denver, and
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Speaker 1: I first became familiar with him with the case of
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Speaker 1: a teen girl, emlin Nnajen, and she died after illegal
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Speaker 1: surgery botched plastic surgery a teen girl. And now we
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Speaker 1: see this girl Charissa Rush Paul unaspiring actress, as doctor
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Speaker 1: Bethany was pointing out that couldn't afford to go to
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Speaker 1: a real doctor and have a real plastic surgery. David Woodruff,
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Speaker 1: I understand that these two the mom and daughter, Libbyadame
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Speaker 1: and Alicia the daughter, advertised online and they targeted people
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Speaker 1: just like Carissa and reeled them in like fish. It's unbelievable, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: and you know, frankly, it's a failure not just by
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Speaker 1: these two criminals, but by society for buying into this
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Speaker 1: h garage kind of procedure when we do have professional
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Speaker 1: medical professionals like doctor Dubro who are trained for a
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Speaker 1: decade to do plastic surgery and do it safely in
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Speaker 1: a safe environment, and for criminals like these two ladies
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Speaker 1: to real people in like fish and dangle a carrot
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Speaker 1: over them that they can have a similar outcome for
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Speaker 1: a small amount of money is disgusting, just like doctor
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Speaker 1: Dubreau points out, and it's reckless from a legal perspective.
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Speaker 1: It is far beyond simply failing to use reasonable care.
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Speaker 1: This is a reckless disregard for people's lives. And it's
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Speaker 1: quite obvious to anyone that injecting silicone that you buy
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Speaker 1: at home depot into a person's body is highly likely
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Speaker 1: to kill them. Okay, waite a minute, Wait a minute,
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Speaker 1: David Woodrow, you just said silicone like you buy at
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Speaker 1: home depot. What I thought this was silicon well, for instance,
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Speaker 1: that people used to get breast implants, or that they
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Speaker 1: put in as facial fillers. Why did you just say
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Speaker 1: silicone like you get at home depost So the silicone
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Speaker 1: implants and doctor Broke can talk a little bit about this.
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Speaker 1: But pelicone implants that are are used for breast augmentation
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Speaker 1: are developed and approved by the SBA, and they contain
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Speaker 1: a casing that prevents the silicone from being released into
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Speaker 1: the bloodstream. These women who are literally buying products like
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Speaker 1: silicone calking that you can use that you used to
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Speaker 1: sufill your bath. Oh dear lord, that's why you keep
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Speaker 1: saying calking. Yep. And they can coct this liquefied pelicone
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Speaker 1: and inject it yet but good exactly, And they're they're
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Speaker 1: injecting it into people's bodies and taking a chance that
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Speaker 1: it's not going to absorb into the bloodstream, which this
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Speaker 1: poor young woman it did, killing her instantly. Well, you
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Speaker 1: just said that silicone rust implants are psyche, but can't
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Speaker 1: they rupture the silicone action? Go seep into your body.
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Speaker 1: So silicone can rupture, but it's a semi solid silicone.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't spread throughout the body when it ruptures, just
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Speaker 1: stays locally what's called encapsulated. But let me make one
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Speaker 1: point very clear. There is no medical grade silicone that
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Speaker 1: exists that's legal for even doctors to inject in the
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Speaker 1: human body. It's not something we are allowed to do
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Speaker 1: in micro droplets, sometimes in the eye. Rarely an ophthalmologist
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Speaker 1: will use it. But there is no such thing as
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Speaker 1: legal injectable silicone that doctors are allowed to use. I
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Speaker 1: didn't know that it's got a bay, for instance, and
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Speaker 1: one of those pouches like a breast implant. That's exactly right,
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Speaker 1: it's got a silicone shell on the outside. Well, what
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Speaker 1: is the plastic surgeons injected to people's faces. What is that?
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Speaker 1: I thought that was silicone. No, that's called hyaluronic acid,
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Speaker 1: which is a naturally occurring substance. Okay, that sounds even
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Speaker 1: wor well No, no, how acid is naturally occurring substance.
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Speaker 1: What it's called hyaluronic acid. All of ourselves have within
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Speaker 1: them a substance called hyaluronic acid. It's actually the theme
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Speaker 1: that keeps your joint lubri kids. Okay, you know what
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Speaker 1: Dodgor did, bro. This is what I do when my
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Speaker 1: children's talk gibberish. I go because I don't know what
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Speaker 1: they're saying. Let me just take the takeaway from this
22:26
Speaker 1: is that you cannot inject silicone into your body. It's
22:30
Speaker 1: got to be encapsulated in something like a breast implant.
22:34
Speaker 1: Let me just let that percolate before you start telling
22:37
Speaker 1: me about acid that is created normally. Hey, wait a minute,
22:42
Speaker 1: Karen Smith, I have not forgotten you because I want
22:44
Speaker 1: to go to you after doctor Bethany about mother daughter
22:49
Speaker 1: mother child crimes. Okay, go ahead, doctor Bethany. Okay, I
22:53
Speaker 1: have a friend to colleague, a plastic surgeon. May you
22:56
Speaker 1: got a lot of friends, doctor Bethany, because no matter
22:59
Speaker 1: what criminal case I cover, you either have a client
23:02
Speaker 1: a patient body brand that somehow mirrors the crime. But okay,
23:07
Speaker 1: go ahead. Well, he removes polymers from victims who have
23:12
Speaker 1: been injected from around the world. He does this. It's
23:15
Speaker 1: sort of like a ministry something he does to help
23:17
Speaker 1: out and a polymer. Your doctors could describe it better
23:21
Speaker 1: who are on the show. But it's it's an illegally
23:24
Speaker 1: injected substance, and these polymers they degrade over time. So
23:30
Speaker 1: he showed me the pictures and they are horrible. These
23:34
Speaker 1: are women who have had their buttocks, their calves, their
23:37
Speaker 1: breasts injected, and and these are mothers who's their wives.
23:42
Speaker 1: And they don't degrade quickly. It's like a slow drip
23:46
Speaker 1: towards death. And by the time they get to his office,
23:50
Speaker 1: often they're black, they're cancerous, they're beginning to leak throughout
23:53
Speaker 1: the body. The woman has had unidentified pain for years, arthritis, migraine,
24:00
Speaker 1: slow energy, fatigue, and their health deteriorates to the point
24:04
Speaker 1: where they can't walk at some point. So you know,
24:08
Speaker 1: we're covering a story about a woman who died after
24:11
Speaker 1: her third injection. There are women all over the world
24:14
Speaker 1: who are facing slow, crippling deaths and they don't even
24:18
Speaker 1: know what's causing the depths until it comes to some
24:21
Speaker 1: kind of medical attention. And that's because of injections. Plastic surgery.
24:26
Speaker 1: Injections be far called yeah jump in polymers. Yeah, well,
24:32
Speaker 1: they're like a synthetic material, like a plastic But let me,
24:36
Speaker 1: can I make one point, Nancy, I think that is
24:38
Speaker 1: not being discussed that I think is really important. I
24:41
Speaker 1: like you don't ever want a victim blame, but I
24:44
Speaker 1: have treated literally hundreds of patients who have had these
24:46
Speaker 1: foreign substances from all over the world. We highlight this
24:49
Speaker 1: unbotched every season. But at the end of the day,
24:53
Speaker 1: when you speak to these women who have these complications
24:56
Speaker 1: from illegal pumping party injections, they all knew it was wrong.
25:01
Speaker 1: They all knew it was dangerous. They had all seen
25:03
Speaker 1: the reports, but they had a friend that had it
25:06
Speaker 1: done by these illegal practitioners and it worked for their friends,
25:11
Speaker 1: so they thought, well, maybe I'll go to the next
25:14
Speaker 1: pumping party. So at the end of the day, we're
25:16
Speaker 1: certainly not victim blaming, but these patients are very aware
25:20
Speaker 1: that there's a dangerous practice, that people have been murdered
25:23
Speaker 1: by this practice. Doctor Debro, you know how I feel
25:27
Speaker 1: about you. I love you. I think you're wonderful. But please, Okay,
25:32
Speaker 1: you could say that about drinking and driving. We all
25:35
Speaker 1: know what's wrong, but yet why are so many people
25:38
Speaker 1: dead in doing it. We all know cocaine is wrong,
25:41
Speaker 1: we all know haro is wrong. We know oxy's wrong,
25:44
Speaker 1: but people do it. They do it. I know time
26:02
Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace. Karen Smith helped me out with me.
26:10
Speaker 1: Karen L. Smith, forensic expert, lecturer, University Florida, host of
26:15
Speaker 1: a hit series Shattered Souls podcast, and you can find
26:19
Speaker 1: her at Karen's Forensic Karen The phenomena of a mother
26:25
Speaker 1: leading their child astray. I'm talking about mother, daughter, mother's son,
26:33
Speaker 1: tag teams in crime the first time I saw it,
26:37
Speaker 1: and you and I've talked about this off air. As
26:39
Speaker 1: I recall one day out in La the Sante Kimes case,
26:45
Speaker 1: take listen to Tom Holly News three LV. It was
26:49
Speaker 1: a sensational set of crimes the main national news in
26:52
Speaker 1: the late nineties, the con artist and murder team of
26:55
Speaker 1: Sante Kimes and her son Kenny. The two became a
26:57
Speaker 1: household names when they were indicted on charges of kidnapping
27:00
Speaker 1: and killing an elderly New York socialite. Nineteen years earlier,
27:04
Speaker 1: Sante Kimes had been arrested in Las Vegas for both
27:06
Speaker 1: grand and petty larceny, even though she was married to
27:08
Speaker 1: a wealthy motel owner. Sante and her husband, Kenneth Senior,
27:11
Speaker 1: were arrested for enslaving illegal immigrant maids. Sante, Kenneth and
27:15
Speaker 1: their son Kenny, lived here at twenty one Jernamulane in
27:19
Speaker 1: Paradise Palms. They added arson to their list of crimes,
27:22
Speaker 1: but the more serious charges came that summer. Now she
27:25
Speaker 1: and her son are at the center of an investigation
27:28
Speaker 1: into the disappearance of a New York City millionaire, eighty
27:31
Speaker 1: two year old Irene Silverman, last seen July fifth. So
27:35
Speaker 1: far the evidence is circumstantial, but the cases building against
27:38
Speaker 1: Kimes and her son, Kenneth. The two were arrested after
27:41
Speaker 1: Silverman's disappearance on a different charge, but mother and son
27:45
Speaker 1: were found guilty and there was more. David Kasden his
27:48
Speaker 1: body found in a trash bin at the La Airport
27:51
Speaker 1: earlier this year. It's suspected he transferred ownership of this
27:55
Speaker 1: house over to the Kimes shortly before his death. That
27:58
Speaker 1: was a mother's son one team that ended up in
28:01
Speaker 1: multiple murders. And here you've got a mother daughter con
28:06
Speaker 1: team that has ended up in at least one murder,
28:09
Speaker 1: and God only knows what else what about it? Karen Smith,
28:13
Speaker 1: how often have you seen a mother, the one you
28:16
Speaker 1: should trust the most in the world, leading the child,
28:19
Speaker 1: the adult child, down the path of destruction? This is
28:22
Speaker 1: really unusual, Nancy, very unusual. You know, you have parents
28:26
Speaker 1: who will discount their child's criminal behavior, you know, mitigate
28:32
Speaker 1: and say, you know, it was a rough childhood or
28:34
Speaker 1: whatever like that. But a team to team up like that,
28:38
Speaker 1: that's something that's really unusual and something I'd like to
28:41
Speaker 1: point out. This mother and daughter. We're taking cash only,
28:46
Speaker 1: no cash, no service. That's untraceable, and that's problematic for
28:51
Speaker 1: a few reasons. Obviously, they were doing it so they
28:53
Speaker 1: wouldn't have to report taxes, be they could be cash only,
28:57
Speaker 1: so that their patients were untraceable. So now if there
29:00
Speaker 1: are more people they have to self report, they may
29:04
Speaker 1: be embarrassed, they may not want to come forward because
29:06
Speaker 1: you know, of social judgment. But another thing, they left
29:14
Speaker 1: this young woman to die. They fled. They dialed nine
29:19
Speaker 1: to one one and they ran. So that goes to
29:22
Speaker 1: you know, you're the lawyer, the mens rea, the guilty mind.
29:26
Speaker 1: They knew what they were doing was completely illegal, They
29:30
Speaker 1: knew that this girl was going to die, and they
29:33
Speaker 1: fled the scene. She's absolutely right, David Woodruff. You're hearing
29:38
Speaker 1: Karen L. Smith, forensic expert in Star of Shattered Soul's
29:42
Speaker 1: podcast Now a hit series David Woodruffe. It's called flight,
29:46
Speaker 1: and while many judges are no longer allowed under the
29:49
Speaker 1: law to state it from the Criminal Code in jury instructions,
29:54
Speaker 1: it can still be argued to juries that For instance,
29:57
Speaker 1: when i see state patrol come up behind me and
30:00
Speaker 1: I'm doing seventy mph, I may tap the brakes, but
30:04
Speaker 1: I don't take off running, because that's called flight, and
30:08
Speaker 1: it is probitive of guilt. And that's just what this
30:12
Speaker 1: mother and daughter did. They grabbed each other's hands and
30:15
Speaker 1: took off. There was nothing but pale hole and elbows.
30:19
Speaker 1: That's all you could see. They were running, and that
30:22
Speaker 1: indicates to me they knew they had done a horrible thing.
30:25
Speaker 1: That's right, And as Karen Smith points out, the flight
30:28
Speaker 1: is evident that they knew prior to even beginning this
30:33
Speaker 1: procedure that they were taking the risk of killing someone.
30:38
Speaker 1: And everyone knows that if you want to kill somebody,
30:41
Speaker 1: injecting a silicone mix that you buy at home depot
30:46
Speaker 1: or at Walmart into their blood is a good way
30:49
Speaker 1: to do it. And that's why they fled, because they
30:52
Speaker 1: knew exactly what they'd done, and their friend was there.
30:55
Speaker 1: If you read the story, This young lady's friend was
30:58
Speaker 1: there watching as she started to go into respiratory and
31:01
Speaker 1: cardiac arrest, and that's why they left, because he was
31:05
Speaker 1: screaming at them for help, and instead of calling ninety one,
31:08
Speaker 1: they fled. Nicole Parton joining me investigative report of the
31:12
Speaker 1: crime online dot com. Were they actually videoing the process?
31:18
Speaker 1: So they were not videoing, but Carissa herself video put
31:24
Speaker 1: a couple of images on her social media network. Right
31:27
Speaker 1: when I said they, I met Carrissa and the friend. Yeah,
31:30
Speaker 1: because this was like a big event for them. They
31:33
Speaker 1: had really no idea. Now, doctor Dubro says that people
31:38
Speaker 1: know it's wrong. I'm not sure that individuals this young
31:44
Speaker 1: and as young as Emmelyn was before her death. Yeah,
31:48
Speaker 1: they know that there is a risk, but I don't
31:50
Speaker 1: think they believe there's anything wrong with it. I don't
31:54
Speaker 1: believe they understand they can die. In fact, this young
31:58
Speaker 1: girl was owing the whole experience, you know, like I
32:02
Speaker 1: just video the twins graduating from middle school because it
32:05
Speaker 1: was a big deal. She's videoing. It tells me something,
32:08
Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany. Doctor Bethany, you know about my extens instead
32:12
Speaker 1: of scrap books that I labor over for the twins. Yes,
32:16
Speaker 1: and because their moments I never want to forget. That
32:23
Speaker 1: is ringing. It's like an echo. This girl, Caissa, had
32:28
Speaker 1: her friend there and they were videoing the whole thing
32:30
Speaker 1: because it was such a great event in her life.
32:32
Speaker 1: I think you can know and not know, Like like
32:35
Speaker 1: the woman that goes on dating site and the guy
32:37
Speaker 1: sounds a little creepy and between, well, probably shouldn't go
32:40
Speaker 1: out with him. You know what, I really want to
32:42
Speaker 1: find a husband. Maybe this time it'll be different. It's
32:45
Speaker 1: really rationalizing to yourself that something that you know deep
32:49
Speaker 1: in your core might not work out. Hey, maybe this
32:52
Speaker 1: time it'll be an exception. We all build narratives to
32:56
Speaker 1: justify to ourselves whatever it is we want to do,
33:00
Speaker 1: whatever it is we feel we need to do to
33:02
Speaker 1: make ourselves feel better. You know, we could call it
33:05
Speaker 1: disavowal seeing something and not seeing it all at the
33:08
Speaker 1: same time. So I think the victim knows on the
33:11
Speaker 1: one hand and doesn't know on the other. And that's
33:14
Speaker 1: the sad part is they disregard their own intuition. Guys, Pacho,
33:18
Speaker 1: listen to our cut for our friend John Clemac at
33:22
Speaker 1: NBC four telling them about one of two women charged
33:29
Speaker 1: with the murder of an aspiring film star for allegedly
33:32
Speaker 1: injecting her butt with an illegal silicon mixture, now in
33:36
Speaker 1: court for the first time, the judge grinning NBC four
33:38
Speaker 1: access in her words, to ensure public trust in the
33:41
Speaker 1: judicial system. No plea entered today. Alicia Gallas and her mother,
33:46
Speaker 1: Libya Dame, are accused of practicing medicine without a license,
33:50
Speaker 1: injecting women with some sort of silicon mixture, and then
33:53
Speaker 1: when the receidure went awry, fleeing the scene. Man, can
33:56
Speaker 1: you just tell us to you? Do you believe that
33:58
Speaker 1: you injected these people with poison? Did you want to
34:03
Speaker 1: at least defend yourself in any way anything at all?
34:06
Speaker 1: No words outside the courtroom from the accused guys. I
34:10
Speaker 1: want you to hear one more piece of sound about
34:13
Speaker 1: what we are learning about the procedure. Our cut one
34:16
Speaker 1: our friends at NBC four. It is dangerous and it
34:19
Speaker 1: is costing women in their lives in the San Fernando Valley.
34:22
Speaker 1: Lapd says they believe there are more victims out there,
34:24
Speaker 1: and if that's you, they want to hear from you.
34:28
Speaker 1: The voices you're hearing belong to two women now behind bars.
34:32
Speaker 1: The woman on the operating table was twenty six year
34:34
Speaker 1: old Charissa Raje Paul, an aspiring film star who moved
34:38
Speaker 1: to la from South Africa, but died last October. As
34:41
Speaker 1: we looked into this investigation, we did find that it
34:45
Speaker 1: is occurring a lot lapd Valley Burro homicide detective Bob
34:48
Speaker 1: Dinlocker says Raj Paul had undergone three butt augmentations. This
34:52
Speaker 1: video is from her second. She completed all three and
34:55
Speaker 1: died immediately following number three. Libby, a Dame and her
34:59
Speaker 1: daughter Alicia go Is are now charged with murder for
35:01
Speaker 1: allegedly injecting Raj Paul with a liquid silicone mix. The
35:06
Speaker 1: internet is filled with these horror stories where they're cutting
35:08
Speaker 1: the medical grad silicone with the stuff that you would
35:10
Speaker 1: calk your windows with. It's the bloodstream could attack the
35:13
Speaker 1: heart and the brain and the kidneys. That is exactly
35:16
Speaker 1: what doctor de Brot is telling us and also our
35:20
Speaker 1: cut five. One of this mother daughter tag teams victims survived. Listen.
35:26
Speaker 1: One of her alleged surviving victims did want to speak up.
35:29
Speaker 1: Is that the woman that you that's the daughter terran
35:35
Speaker 1: Quin Terry spoke to us from a recovery house in Colombia,
35:38
Speaker 1: where she's still in the process of correcting what she
35:40
Speaker 1: says was done wrong to her four years ago. The
35:42
Speaker 1: daughter is part of what made me like feel okay
35:46
Speaker 1: doing it, because she was like, look I have them,
35:48
Speaker 1: you know. The daughter definitely helped sell me. Quin Terry
35:51
Speaker 1: says she wanted a bigger butt, paid three thousand dollars
35:54
Speaker 1: for the procedure to a dama and her daughter. Six
35:56
Speaker 1: months later, a rash formed and it wouldn't go away.
36:00
Speaker 1: She says, whatever was injected into her made its way
36:02
Speaker 1: into her muscle tissue. I had some migrate to my
36:08
Speaker 1: legs and I had some near my sciatic nerve, which
36:13
Speaker 1: I have to have a whole separate surgery for that
36:15
Speaker 1: done by a separate surgeon. It's why she's in Columbia now.
36:18
Speaker 1: She says. A doctor was able to remove only fifty
36:20
Speaker 1: percent of whatever it is that's still in her body.
36:23
Speaker 1: It's as serious as this. I could die from this
36:25
Speaker 1: at one one day, and there's no way to get
36:28
Speaker 1: this out of me as of today. Doctor Terry Jay
36:31
Speaker 1: Debro joining us from bots and seven year stitch on
36:34
Speaker 1: e Dotor Debro. Please, if you could translate everything that
36:39
Speaker 1: we just heard, and I don't see how this is
36:42
Speaker 1: any different from injecting someone with pure poison and they die.
36:48
Speaker 1: It's very similar. So they take this material, this foreign body,
36:52
Speaker 1: they get blue hardware stores, they injected into various parts
36:55
Speaker 1: of the body, and two things happen. Either you get
36:59
Speaker 1: into a blood vessels and it blocks off an organ
37:02
Speaker 1: or your lung. Can you die, or over time, at best,
37:07
Speaker 1: your body reacts to it. Your immune system activates its
37:11
Speaker 1: surveillance systems and causes an inflammatory reaction as the material
37:16
Speaker 1: migrates to other parts of your body, and it causes
37:20
Speaker 1: other kinds of inflammatory changes that are really difficult to fit.
37:25
Speaker 1: So just I want to warn everyone out there, if
37:27
Speaker 1: you know anyone who's ever thinking about having foreign body
37:32
Speaker 1: injected at these pumping parties, warn them that even if
37:36
Speaker 1: they get away with it in the short term, that
37:39
Speaker 1: in the longer term, it's like having a sleeping giant
37:44
Speaker 1: in there and you wake up this sleeping giant and
37:47
Speaker 1: it reachs havoc over your entire body, and it literally
37:51
Speaker 1: guarantees you will have a problem in the future. So
37:54
Speaker 1: don't ever do this, stim trial lawyer David Wood, if
37:57
Speaker 1: I guarantee they're going to get off light. I can.
38:00
Speaker 1: I mean, they've already made vond can't you hear their
38:03
Speaker 1: high heels clicking along as they were talking and of
38:06
Speaker 1: some of that sound. They're already out on land. We
38:09
Speaker 1: can certainly hope that they will be back in jail
38:12
Speaker 1: before long. Nancy, there's no question that murder charges against
38:18
Speaker 1: these two women are valid and are going to stick
38:22
Speaker 1: in my opinion, because, as you know, the men's ray
38:25
Speaker 1: which you talked about earlier, they're intent when they performed
38:30
Speaker 1: this procedure was to do something that any reasonable person
38:33
Speaker 1: would know could result in death. And I'd like to
38:36
Speaker 1: blame just the mom, David Woodruff, but you heard one
38:39
Speaker 1: victims say, hey, the daughter really sold as she said, Look,
38:42
Speaker 1: I had it and that's the reason I did it. Yeah.
38:44
Speaker 1: I mean one of the things that doctor Bethany pointed
38:47
Speaker 1: out earlier is really valid here, which is these women
38:49
Speaker 1: are who are looking for this kind of improvement in
38:52
Speaker 1: their body image. They are receiving validation from these liar
38:57
Speaker 1: criminals who are injecting them with illegal substances. They look
39:02
Speaker 1: for some support, and these are smooth criminals that are
39:06
Speaker 1: telling them I can make you look better for a discount,
39:10
Speaker 1: let me do it, and they're they're falling for it.
39:14
Speaker 1: And that's exactly what happened here. That's why these murder
39:17
Speaker 1: charges are so appropriate. You are hearing David Woodscher of
39:20
Speaker 1: high profile Denver trial lawyer who's expert. One of his
39:24
Speaker 1: expertise is this exact kind of case, along with doctor Dubro,
39:30
Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall, Karen Smith, and Cole Parton. If you
39:33
Speaker 1: have been a victim of these women, call eight one
39:38
Speaker 1: eight three, seven, four nine five five zero repeat eight one, eight, three, seven,
39:44
Speaker 1: four nine five five zero. Don't let them get away
39:48
Speaker 1: with this. Nancy Grace Crime's choice, signing off goodbye for