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Best of the Bus: Charles Woodson On Winning Heisman Over Peyton Manning + Almost Retiring Early · Bussin' With The Boys

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  Speaker 1: Charles Woodson to the defensive goat. I mean, you are
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  Speaker 1: one of the best of all time.
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  Speaker 2: Bro.
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  Speaker 1: It is an absolute pleasure to have you on the podcast.
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate that. Man. You guys are shaping up to
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  Speaker 2: be best of all time too, Like what you're doing.
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  Speaker 1: Because we tried to get I remember I was I
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  Speaker 1: was either we were on Twitter going back and forth
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  Speaker 1: because she was a national one time. Yeah, I think,
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  Speaker 1: trying to get you, but everything was way too tight.
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  Speaker 2: But man, trying to make it happen. But yeah, the
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  Speaker 2: timing was off a little bit, but you know, we
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  Speaker 2: did it.
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  Speaker 3: Finally got it done.
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  Speaker 2: Man.
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  Speaker 3: We obviously jumping to Michigan like for how many years?
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  Speaker 3: How we just been shitty and now finally we put
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  Speaker 3: it all together this year. Man, what did that mean
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  Speaker 3: to you as an alumni?
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know what what's crazy is that it wasn't
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  Speaker 2: that we were shitty. We just couldn't beat them, guys.
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  Speaker 2: We couldn't beat ohiose statement, Like that's really what it was.
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  Speaker 3: Like.
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  Speaker 2: We think about you know, Jim when he came in
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  Speaker 2: was winning nine ten games a year, but then we
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  Speaker 2: get to that last game and we could never get
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  Speaker 2: over that hump, you know. So when we think back
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  Speaker 2: to Michigan and we see that we had a shitty year,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And so these last couple
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  Speaker 2: of years have just been like, dude, I don't even
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  Speaker 2: know how to explain it. You know, it's just it's
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  Speaker 2: it's not even that we won the game, it's how
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  Speaker 2: we won the game.
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  Speaker 1: And with all the all the storyline out the year too.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, just that game.
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  Speaker 1: It's the season right, Penn State, the har ball getting
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  Speaker 1: before the Penn State game as there travel and he's
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  Speaker 1: getting told all while they're on the tarmac.
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  Speaker 2: Literally and I was. I was at that game because
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  Speaker 2: I was working with the big noon kickoff crew that weekend.
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  Speaker 2: And we get there and they're like, yeah, I don't
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  Speaker 2: know if Gym's gonna be able to coach today. We're like,
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  Speaker 2: what are you talking about? Like, yeah, you know, he
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  Speaker 2: was on the plane he got the word that he
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  Speaker 2: might not be coaching, like on the plane, like literally
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  Speaker 2: on the plane to Happy Valleys. You're talking about you
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  Speaker 2: can't play, I mean, he can't coach. So it's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of different storylines, you know, this particular season with
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  Speaker 2: him putting people in place. Mike Hart was a coach
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  Speaker 2: win game, head coach. This Shrone Moore, who's got the
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  Speaker 2: job now, he was a coach for like three or
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  Speaker 2: four games. And those guys, you know, just looking at
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  Speaker 2: looking at that situation in the face and just being
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  Speaker 2: like it don't matter.
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  Speaker 3: It's such a it's such a massive like statement to
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  Speaker 3: the culture of Michigan because they had every excuse not
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  Speaker 3: to achieve the goal of winning a national championship, right
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  Speaker 3: and like you obviously you don't have to expand on
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  Speaker 3: this at all, but how pussy was it of the
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  Speaker 3: Big ten to dry to implement some sort of bullshit bandid, Hey,
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  Speaker 3: we're gonna punish him Tony Patiti as they're flying to
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  Speaker 3: Penn State and doing all that. That's just just.
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  Speaker 1: Just bad ball.
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  Speaker 3: There's no due process there. And so but the thing
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  Speaker 3: I like about it personally is that if there were
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  Speaker 3: all these allegations and they never took hardball off the field,
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  Speaker 3: then it'd be like the true asterisk to a national championship.
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  Speaker 3: But because you put all the adversity on and off
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  Speaker 3: the field towards the Michigan players right now, it's like
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  Speaker 3: there's there's truly like it didn't matter with gotten their
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  Speaker 3: way that they were winning a national championship.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it truly was a Michigan versus everybody. You know,
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  Speaker 2: the coin, the phrase that they coined, and also the
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  Speaker 2: other one was bet. You know they had that. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: I forget after which game it was, but it was
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  Speaker 2: just to say, all right, you guys are gonna put
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  Speaker 2: put all of this on our plate. Bet we'll handle it.
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  Speaker 2: And that's exactly what they did. And you know, being
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  Speaker 2: in Happy Valley and you know that being you know,
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  Speaker 2: our toughest game at to that point on the schedule,
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  Speaker 2: and then coming out in that second half and I
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  Speaker 2: think they threw the ball one time and then from
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  Speaker 2: there on it was like just old school Michigan football
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  Speaker 2: for all half, like just just take this, take this,
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  Speaker 2: take this. So yeah, it was. It was fun, man,
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  Speaker 2: the whole the whole ride this year. Man, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you know, we were riding along with them, guys, man,
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  Speaker 2: just on Cloud nine every week. And then when they
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  Speaker 2: capped it off, I was able to go to the
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  Speaker 2: semi final. Pasadena didn't make it to the championship game.
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  Speaker 2: But watching that championship game and the way they performed
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  Speaker 2: the domination, you know that that you know, what we
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  Speaker 2: go back because you talked about the culture and that
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  Speaker 2: was important with this team because of all of the
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  Speaker 2: guys who said I'm coming back, I'm coming back because
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  Speaker 2: we got unfinished business, and then they actually did it
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  Speaker 2: like that was That's pretty special, man. So I'm happy
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  Speaker 2: for them, guys.
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  Speaker 1: What's it like knowing that you guys brought that Michigan,
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  Speaker 1: your guys university brought a national title in twenty twenty three,
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  Speaker 1: and it's been since what like the nineteen forties, since
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  Speaker 1: you guys last won a national title?
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  Speaker 2: Ninety seven? Man, Damn, yeah, I knew he did it
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  Speaker 2: on purpose. I know what he did.
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  Speaker 1: I know.
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  Speaker 2: That was good. That good. That's good. That's good. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: I see, I see how it is, see how the
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  Speaker 2: show is gonna be.
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  Speaker 1: Taylor and I obviously we always go back and forth. Ye,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you guys have been whooping our ass for
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  Speaker 1: a while.
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  Speaker 2: It's funny.
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  Speaker 1: I had to get that in because it's always like
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  Speaker 1: if I'm if I'm put up against Taylor Dave Poortnoy,
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  Speaker 1: we go back and forth. If I try to throw Nebraska,
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  Speaker 1: and it's like all nineteen ninety seven. Personally, I feel
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  Speaker 1: like as a player. You like being the coaches pole
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  Speaker 1: National Championship more than the AP national chair.
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  Speaker 2: Well man, you know when you guys got up there
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  Speaker 2: and start crying, you know, after the season about you know,
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  Speaker 2: our coaches leaving and man, we deserve it, were like,
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  Speaker 2: what the hell is going on? Right? You know what
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  Speaker 2: I mean? So you guys begged your way into that.
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  Speaker 2: That was tough too.
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  Speaker 3: The coaches just like, I guess we'll just give it
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  Speaker 3: to him then, like really, come.
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  Speaker 1: On, I mean we you know, Nebraska beat And it's
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  Speaker 1: funny because Charles is like he's a he was a player,
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  Speaker 1: he was on the Michigan team. Like we're like, I'm
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  Speaker 1: just sitting here, like, oh we Nebraska, Yeah you're eight
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  Speaker 1: yeah yeah old hey. But Nebraska beat Peyton Manning led Tennessee.
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  Speaker 2: Oh man, they did.
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  Speaker 1: They did average over forty a game. Fish can average
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  Speaker 1: twenty something. However, they're defense. You guys.
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  Speaker 2: We were pretty mad about that too, because we go
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  Speaker 2: out to you know, washingt this thing. We're like, all right,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Tennessee, you know, give these boys a fight,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, because that's going to help
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  Speaker 2: our calls if they roll down there and struggle and
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  Speaker 2: Nebraska goes down there and slaps some boys.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, damn it, what's it like? Because you guys
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  Speaker 1: had you guys played more like top ten teams that
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  Speaker 1: you're like, oh, i'll say the Big ten, like back
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  Speaker 1: in the nineties, Like you guys had more of those
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  Speaker 1: teams in the top ten. But like, as a player,
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  Speaker 1: are you kind of hoping you get dealt like I
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  Speaker 1: don't remember how it worked with the bowl game selection
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  Speaker 1: back then, but are you hoping you get like the
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  Speaker 1: higher matchup or did you already kind of know you
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  Speaker 1: were going to play the Pac twelve champion?
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  Speaker 2: There was a Pactorld Championship, so I think we were
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  Speaker 2: a year before the BCS SOT. If it was a
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  Speaker 2: year later, we would have had a chance to play.
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  Speaker 1: It would have been it would have been Nebraska.
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  Speaker 2: We'd have a chance to play in Nebraska, but were
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  Speaker 2: just one year too early. Man. So yeah, we went
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  Speaker 2: out and played the winner, the Pack twelve, and they played,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Nebraska. So that's just where that's the way
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  Speaker 2: it went.
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  Speaker 3: When you're when you're doing all the big new stuff
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  Speaker 3: and it's your essentially your job, your obligation to be
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  Speaker 3: as unbiased as possible, But all this stuff is like
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  Speaker 3: going down. How do you catch yourself in Happy Valley thinking,
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  Speaker 3: all right, Hardball's not on there, but you're on the sideline.
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  Speaker 3: I think there's a clip of you and it might've
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  Speaker 3: been Desmond Howard as well, like getting hyped up, like
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  Speaker 3: are you like trying your best not to get excited?
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  Speaker 2: No, like our producers and you know everyone who brought
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  Speaker 2: me in. You know at Fox, they know that when
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  Speaker 2: it comes to Michigan, it is what it is like
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  Speaker 2: when I'm on the set, I'm rootming for Michigan, I'm
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  Speaker 2: on the sideline and room for Michigan. I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: be biased as bias can get. So there's no secret.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, but when it comes when it comes down
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  Speaker 2: to like really talking about the game, like keys the game,
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  Speaker 2: how Michigan's Michigan, Michigan is going to win, on how
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  Speaker 2: State's gonna win, I'll give the real but as it
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  Speaker 2: you know, in terms of what my loyalties like, it
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  Speaker 2: ain't no secret.
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  Speaker 1: You enjoy Cup in college more than the NFL because
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  Speaker 1: I know he was doing NFL before you signed on
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  Speaker 1: with with the NFL.
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  Speaker 2: Is where it's at. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love the NFL.
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  Speaker 2: Man college is too many damn teams in.
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  Speaker 1: College there as I feel like you, like I enjoy
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  Speaker 1: the school spirit of college because you just know you're
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  Speaker 1: pulling for your team no matter what versus the NFL.
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  Speaker 1: Like playing on a few different teams, it's like it's
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  Speaker 1: more of like a player driven Like I'm kind of
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  Speaker 1: rude for guys and players, And yeah, I like to
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  Speaker 1: see the Raiders, the Titans, Washington do well. But like
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  Speaker 1: that the connection with your with your school spirit in college.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it ain't nothing like it. It's nothing like it.
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  Speaker 2: And uh, you know, I get asked that question like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you know why you why do you feel
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  Speaker 2: the way you feel about Michigan? You know why you
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  Speaker 2: love them so much? And I answered this question not
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  Speaker 2: too long ago, and I think it's like for me,
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  Speaker 2: it was the first place I was trying to get to,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, being a being a high
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  Speaker 2: school athlete and you know, you're getting out of all
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  Speaker 2: of these letters and you know you're you're working towards,
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  Speaker 2: you know, trying to do something bigger than playing in
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  Speaker 2: high school, like Michigan was like I'm trying to get there.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean, and it was a dream
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  Speaker 2: come true to you know, sign there and go to
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  Speaker 2: Michigan and so you know that that that love of
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  Speaker 2: you know, you know, trying to get to a destination
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  Speaker 2: and reaching it. You know, it was was a big deal.
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  Speaker 2: So you know that's why it runs deep.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you had a really good interview on the pivot
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  Speaker 1: and I'm trying to recall. Can you tell the story
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  Speaker 1: about there was a game where coach held you out
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  Speaker 1: and You're like, I'm not going to go in and
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  Speaker 1: say sorry, and then your mom's your mom say, hey,
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  Speaker 1: if you're not going to apologize yourself, do it for me.
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  Speaker 1: Can you retell that story? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: It was. It was. It was just crazy because my
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  Speaker 2: you know, we had played uh, I think I forget
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  Speaker 2: the game we played before Ohio State. But anyway, I
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  Speaker 2: had my back locked up for whatever reason, and I
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  Speaker 2: talked to the trainer. I'm like, hey, man, my back
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  Speaker 2: is locked up. I don't know why I can. I
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  Speaker 2: can barely move. He's like, oh, I don't worry about it.
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  Speaker 2: You don't have to practice today, and so I was like, great,
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  Speaker 2: But when I walk out to practice, I don't have
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  Speaker 2: any Michigan issue stuff on I just got my school
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  Speaker 2: stuff on. The coach cars like what are you doing?
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  Speaker 2: I'm like what. He's like, what, where's where's your uniform?
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, ah, man, I talked to Smitty Smitty side
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  Speaker 2: and had to practice today. It was like, I don't
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  Speaker 2: get in there and put something on then, So I
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  Speaker 2: go in and put some other stuff on, but I
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  Speaker 2: keep my white shoes on that warder school. What do
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  Speaker 2: you got on your feet? I'm like, what, man, get
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  Speaker 2: in there?
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  Speaker 1: And when you went back in, like, are you feeling like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: coach is trying me a little bit?
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  Speaker 2: A little bit? Yeah, a little bit. But then this
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  Speaker 2: was ninety six, so a week before Ohio State gaming.
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  Speaker 2: So I came back out and then I'm on the
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  Speaker 2: sideline and talking with some of the fellas and coach
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  Speaker 2: he sings me, Hey, come here, go over there to
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  Speaker 2: the offense. Hey, you need to pay attention. I'm like, Coach,
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  Speaker 2: I'm paying attention, Like what's going on? Man, Well, if
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  Speaker 2: you're going to be on the sideline, you're not practicing,
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  Speaker 2: you need to pay attention. I'm like all right, So
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  Speaker 2: I walk on the sideline. Few periods go by, he
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  Speaker 2: cast me back over there. What's it get over here.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, damn, what is going on today? Man? Go
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  Speaker 2: over there. Hey, if you're not going to pay attention,
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  Speaker 2: you can just leave. And I was like, all right,
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  Speaker 2: I'm out. So I left. I went back to the
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  Speaker 2: I went back to the dorm, and a little time passed,
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  Speaker 2: day or two, I don't know. I can't remember the
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  Speaker 2: timeline of that. But I get called down by my position,
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  Speaker 2: coach Vans Bedford. He's like, hey, listen, coach wants to
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  Speaker 2: talk to you. When you go down there, just go
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  Speaker 2: ahead and apologize, and then he's gonna let you play
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  Speaker 2: this week. And I was like, Coach, now, I'm not apologizing.
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  Speaker 2: He's like, listen to me, just apologizing. So I go
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  Speaker 2: down there. Me and coach talked a little while and
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  Speaker 2: he's like, a, you know, do you think you justified
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  Speaker 2: yourself by walking out of practice. I was like, yeah, man,
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  Speaker 2: because I don't feel like you got to make an
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  Speaker 2: example out of me and this whole thing. He was like,
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  Speaker 2: all right, well you ain't playing this week. I was
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  Speaker 2: like all right. I got up and walked out, went
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  Speaker 2: down there to back to Coach Bedford's room, and he
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  Speaker 2: was like, all right, what do you say. I said,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not playing this week. He said, boy, I told you,
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  Speaker 2: don't go down there and say nothing, but just apologize.
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  Speaker 2: Hold on a minute. He gets on the phone. My
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  Speaker 2: mom answers MS Woodson. I told this boy, don't go
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  Speaker 2: down there and say nothing. He called my mom. Man
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  Speaker 2: and uh, Mama gets on the phone. What's going on.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm not playing this week. She was like why.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, man, you know, me and coach got
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  Speaker 2: into it and this or that, and coach wants me
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  Speaker 2: to apologize. I ain't apologize. She was like, okay, well
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  Speaker 2: we'll just do this. If you're not going to apologize
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  Speaker 2: for yourself, apologize for me. And I was like, kidding,
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  Speaker 2: she broke me. So she broke it. So man, I
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  Speaker 2: had to be you talk about being to knee, I
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  Speaker 2: had to bend to knee man, moms mom's And so
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  Speaker 2: I went down there and I was like, coach, man,
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  Speaker 2: you know it's my bad man. You know, I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 2: I shouldn't have walked out a practice. And that's all
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  Speaker 2: he wanted. He was like, all right, playing this week,
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  Speaker 2: so you should you should have You should have saw
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  Speaker 2: how slow I walked down.
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  Speaker 3: I bet I brought up you brought up Schmidty who
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  Speaker 3: is Michigan Like, yeah, the head trainer for the longest time.
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  Speaker 3: He's the guy that like, you get an X ray,
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  Speaker 3: what the X ray say?
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  Speaker 1: X rays?
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  Speaker 3: Don't talk?
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  Speaker 2: Friend, keep wanting yeah, smart, smart, smitty.
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  Speaker 3: And then Big John Big Do you have any Big
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  Speaker 3: John stories because I'll preface one real quick. So obviously
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  Speaker 3: I was in the dark ages of Michigan with rich
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  Speaker 3: Rodriguez and Bratty. No disrespect to them, it was just
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  Speaker 3: that time that the alumb would come by and hey,
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  Speaker 3: y'all suck, and.
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  Speaker 1: That's just what it is. Tough always having the guys
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  Speaker 1: in the nineties, like we had that too, where guys
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  Speaker 1: you guys aren't well, we had when we.
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  Speaker 3: Were at the Hot State game this year, some guys
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  Speaker 3: came up and we were talking, Hey, what years were
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  Speaker 3: you there again? I was like, oh, nine to thirteen.
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  Speaker 3: You're like, oh, yeah, that's that's a tough time. But
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  Speaker 3: when rich Rodriguez, I'll bring in that when Richard Heez
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  Speaker 3: first got the job, there's a story that Big John
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  Speaker 3: would go and at like five in the morning and
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  Speaker 3: get on the elliptical in the weight room, but naked nothing,
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  Speaker 3: and he was like a sloppy body cat. Yeah, he
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  Speaker 3: was just naked on the elliptical, sweat and dripping everywhere,
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  Speaker 3: all over the place. And he was just and like
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  Speaker 3: the most fun way of crude, like over the top,
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  Speaker 3: like kind of just a horny old guy.
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  Speaker 1: But he was like.
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  Speaker 2: That being said, Yeah, I don't, I don't, Yeah I don't.
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  Speaker 2: I don't have the stories, like some of my teammates
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  Speaker 2: have more in depth stories of Johnny, but Johnny was big.
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  Speaker 2: John was kind of like, uh, like family guy, you
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  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Like just inappropriately funny guy. You
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying.
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: He always got one.
• 14:49
  Speaker 3: For everybody watching, the most innocent fun way the soil Johnny.
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: What he did, he said, what he did? You know?
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: So yeah, he was he was. He was that guy man,
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: but he he was a great guy. But yeah, it
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: was a lot, a lot of stories, A lot of stories,
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: big guys, A lot of stories. I can't I can't
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: tell you.
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what what is it like? I know you've probably
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: been asking so much, but what was it like winning
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: the Heisman over Peyton Manning? I mean, and two it's
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: like it's Peyton Manning, you know, quarterbacks who it was
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: also Ryan Lee, Randy Moss, but the quarterback Peyton Manning's
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: got the complexion for the protection and you end up
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: winning the Heisman like being a two way player. What
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: was that like when you won that? Yeah? It was.
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: What's crazy is that we got three three first ballot
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: Hall of famers on there, Me, Peyton and Randy and
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: then at the time, you know, yeah, you got Ryan
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: Leaf there, who everybody thought, Man, he's gonna be the guy.
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. Yeah, with him and Peyton
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: coming out, a lot of people had Ryan Leaf ahead
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: of him. But the thing about it is that, you know,
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: I thought throughout the season, I thought I'll played myself
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: into a position where people recognize who I was as
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: a player, and I thought I was the best player.
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: But I didn't think I was going to win the Heisman.
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: Like there was no way, you know, I was going
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: to win the Heisman overpaid man. It just wasn't It
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: wasn't going to happen. You know, the whole season coming in,
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: I think he had came back for his senior year
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: a year so you know, that was that was really
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: all of the talk, you.
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: Know, to finish business.
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: You hate man. He came back for us, you know,
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: his senior year, Like wow, what he's doing for the university.
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: He is coming back for his guys, and he's coming
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: back to win the Heisman Trophy. Like that was a
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: foregone conclusion. And so you know, season carried on. And
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: what was great is watching the thirty for thirty that
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: they just had came out and because a lot of
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: stuff you don't you don't remember, but they had that
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: that little ranking each week of who was ahead, like
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: you had Payton and then it was ship There was
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: a running back I saw, maybe it was Tavan Banks
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: or something, the Tavan and then like I was down
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: here at the bottom, and then I might move up,
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: and then Peyton may move down, and then this guy
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: may move up. So it was really interesting how it
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: kind of played out throughout the year. And then when
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: Michigan State happened and the one hand catch happened, then
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: I kind of stayed steady in a certain place, and
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: then Penn State happened. Playing both ways called a called
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: a touchdown. Past that game, I'm playing against Juror Vicious,
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: and I remember they asked me before that game, you know,
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: did I think before or after did I think I
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: was the best player in the country. I was like, yeah,
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: I'm the best player of the country, but still not
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: thinking they're gonna you know, I'm not winning put over. Yeah,
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: not gonna happen.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: There's such a such a like a focused position driving numbers,
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: like it's.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: A numbers game. It's a numbers game, you know, and
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: so and then how state happens and then here comes
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: you know, the ceremony, and it's like I'm there in
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: New York to have a good time hanging out with Randy,
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: hanging out with all the guys, and just this is
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: this is a cool experience. And then you know Rudy,
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: Rudy risk I believe it was opens an envelope and
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: it's like from Michigan. Oh man, it was like my
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: whole body just went limp. And if you watch it,
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: you see Randy on the side, He's like get up.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: So he nudged me. I'm like, damn, I just would.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: What was the highest you got on the list like
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: throughout the year to where maybe you had an inkling
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: like maybe there's a dot.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: I think I think I got up. I think I
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: got up to one. I believe and but it kind
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: of it just rotated, so it's one and two, right,
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: maybe three then two than one. So it was it
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: was kind of cool, you know, to to see some
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: of the footage because, like I said, a lot of
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: that stuff, man, it's a long time ago for me,
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: but a lot of stuff you don't. You don't remember
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: interviews that you did, you know, certain things other people said.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: So yeah, man, it was cool to relive that.
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: People don't talk about this. But like, you win the Heisman,
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: obviously it's such a surreal moment. Your blood's pumping, Like
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: how stressful, nervous for your giving the speech, accepting.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: Your I didn't have Yeah, I didn't have nothing. I
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: had nothing. Yeah, I had nothing.
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: Thank you family. Yeah.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: Probably without the footage, you probably doesn't even remember, like.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: Well, I remember, you know, getting up and of course,
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: you know, thanking my mom and then and then I
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: know I probably did I made some reference to somebody
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: else who I thought should have won it but didn't
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: win it, and then finally they got it right or
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: something something crazy like that. But I didn't. I didn't
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: have a speech because I was like, like I said,
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: I'm here to just enjoy this moment.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: And write nothing down.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: It is kind of it's.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: Kind of a bad look. Not a bad look, but
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: when they pull out.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. I don't like to do that.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: Just as a general rule, I don't like to read
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: from anything. If I if I'm talking, I just like
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: to talk. But yeah, I went there, man, just.
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: Nothing, ma'am you When you think about like the colleg
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: football landscaping now on all the nil stuff, how would
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: you had to be going crazy? You'd have put you
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: would have been. I mean, you've been a seven figure cat.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: I got, I got, I got one year.
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: Left you trying to get out. I got year the bench,
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: but I make seven figures plays.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: How many players you think you give to a college
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: game in college? Right right now?
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: If you play college, I'll run that ship right now.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: So you don't think you'd be blowing a hand me
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: out there?
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: Hey, listen, told you got a little as that beer.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: A little bit, A little bit. I believe I still
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: run around a little bit. I still get after it. Yeah,
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: I give hey, I get I give him some work
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: out there straight up.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: In college's playing corner.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I could play anything anything.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: He'd be like, uh, Travis Hunter, I'd be like him.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he truly plays both the ways. I think that
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: is like one hundred and thirty plus plays again, like crazy,
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: I tell people like I like dibbled and dabbled on offense.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: I didn't play a whole lot offense. It just seems
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: like he plays of defense. Like literally, that's crazy.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: When you don't come off the field, right, Yeah, that's
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: where do you think he's better suited on offense or defense?
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: Oh? Man, I think receiver. I think he's a nasty receiver.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: I mean he's a good corner'll get me wrong, but
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: I see it's his his offensive skills. Man, I think
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: it's offensive skills dominate over his defensive skills.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: What's interesting too, is like your story back when you
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: were you know, with your mom and coach and like
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: not playing like situations like that. I feel like these days,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: like you could just if you're upset, you could just bounce.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: Quick yea yeah, and not have any any repercussions. Like
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: it used to be where if you went to another
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: D one school you had to sit out a whole year.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: And so now it's like what coach, Oh, I don't worry,
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: but I won't be here tomorrow you can just leave.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Do you think if.
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: You when you were a freshman ad mission that, like,
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: was there any time of time if there was an
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: opportunity to go on the transferport that you might mind.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: Well, at that time we talked about with Coach car
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: So when I went back to my dorm room, it
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: was funny because we had a couple of guys who
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: visited the University of Miami.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: Were you in West Quad?
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: I was in I was in West Squad. Yeah, And
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: so after practice, a couple of guys, my boys, Man,
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: what happened? I was like, Man, I don't know, man,
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: coach tripping? Man, I said, Man, I'm out of here. Man.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: It was like what I said, Man, fuck this, Man,
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: I'm going to Miami. Man, I'm transferred out here. I
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: don't want to be here. Man, were going too, we Man,
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: let's do it serious. So we had like a little
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: mutiny going on for like twenty four hours.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a little bit.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: Like Man, I'm leaving. But uh, but I think that's
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: probably how it happens, you know, with a lot of guys.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: You know, you have an altercation with a coach and
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: you go back to the room and there's nobody to
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: talk you down from that ledge and you're like, shum out,
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: I don't I don't got to deal with this. And
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: nowadays it's easier than ever to say I don't want
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: to deal with it.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: It makes it so much more difficult to keep accountability
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: in a locker room that's so important in football together.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: And that's what that's what hard, what what Michigan did
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: with and and the reason why I feel like they
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: want and we're so dominant is because they really had
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: grown men out there. You know what I'm saying. We
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: got a bunch of you know, junior seniors guys who
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: came back. And so if you look at what you know,
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: how a state is doing right now, they're they're trying
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: to you know, buy all these players, trying to get
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: all this this this quick fix. It's hard to it's
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: hard to build it that way, you know what I'm saying.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: If you if you're trying to do that every year,
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: like you got to have you know, kind of a
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: nucleus of guys that are coming back and you can
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: build a program with. So it's gonna get harder and harder,
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: and you know for coaches to kind of maintain that
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: because there used to be truly like a loyalty to school.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: Now it's just a loyalty to you and what you
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: can get, you know, trying to get the most out
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: of it for yourself. So so it's gonna be hard
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: for coaches.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: That's an interesting thing, is like having loyalty to yourself
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: and your school even when you play. When we play
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: like that was still there, like you still wanted to
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: benefit yourself playing well and the team doing well is
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: you know at the same time. But now it's like
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: it's wild west. And with Ohio State the way they're
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: setting up this year, they're spending so much money in
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: an IL and bringing these guys in there. If they
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: don't essentially if they don't win the national championship, it's
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: it's right.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's that's the That's definitely the type of
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: pressure that you put on yourself. If you say, all right,
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: I got the best guy out from here, the best
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: guy from here, best guy from here, and then you
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: get them all together and it doesn't work. It's like,
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: you know, people start looking at you real crazy, yeah,
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: and you like, go ahead.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: I was just gonna know if you got more in college,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: I was going to start to dabble in the NFL world, but.
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: A couple more things on college just this year. Sean
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: More obviously, like I'm a massive Sean More fan. I
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: think he deserved that job. They made the right Yeah
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: he is. He's the dude for for the university should
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: he lost a lot of players, like eighteen dudes gonna
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: get drafted, and then coaching staff and lost the DC
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: lost the string coach, which I think is like the
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: most devastating loss. Like herb with the opportunity to go
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: there and meet and talk at him.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: He was kind of going starting the conditioning, Oh man,
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: it's my guy. Man.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, evaluates tips, knees, everything in the grading scale they
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: put everybody on. Like you walk away from that being like, damn,
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: I wish he was. Yeah, I was playing because it
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: was like a guy like this is a dude you
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: have for all of college and then in the off
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: season you're backing in arbor.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: What.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: I took my son up to a little two day
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: camp they had up there, and he just had a
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: you know, certain easy way that that he does pull ups. Ship.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: I went back home and I was doing him that way.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, that's the kind of guy
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: he was. Man.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: So, yeah, what's like like like most reasonable expectation for
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: the University of Michigan in twenty twenty four season.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be tough. You know, looking at
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: the schedule I was looking at the other day. We
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: got Texas coming in the second game.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: Schedule to the USC right l A State, Ohio State
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: got Oregon tail.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and and you know, you just look at the Texas.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: They have their guy, their quarterbacks coming back, you know
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: what I mean. So they have you know, what we
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: have is a lot of guys leaving. Our quarterback leaves.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: You got a Texas team that just was in the
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: playoffs as well, they're still building building on that and
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: still have a lot of things in place. And then
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: they got their quarterback coming back. So I think it'll
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: it'll be it'll be tough sledding for him, just because
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: he's really rebuilding it. Like you said, there's nothing. I
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: don't think anything hurts some more than losing staff, losing
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: guys that were in there in place, you know, losing
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: uh being strength and conditioning coach, You lose your defensive coordinator.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: You know, he's gone, uh, A few other guys have
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: have left as well. I think Jim's uh is it
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: jim Son that's on the on the staff that he
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: just left.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: I don't know you would assume you're taking a couple
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: offensive guys.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so a lot of guys left, man, So I
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: don't know it'd be it'll be interesting, but it's gonna
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: be a it's gonna be a tough slip to slip.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: The uh and Arbor best place to go eat college kid.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: I got the place in my head right now, but
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: I don't want to start well, I mean, n I
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: l no, no, no, no, no no. We're talking those little chips,
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: like those little coupons that.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: Are like to well for me.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: For me, it was cottage in cottage and did.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Hit Yeah, I don't think. I don't think.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: We it's a little pizza spot. Did you guys get
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: the little pieces of paper the chips?
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: Fifteen bucks on ours?
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah see ours? Was you got like two medium pizzas
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: and like a soda or something like that. You go
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: smack one of those things barbecue. It was nice. We
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: are this podcast is mister spots.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Mister spots. Yeah, like mister Spots. But me, but me,
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: I was, I was it was pizza for me. Man. Yeah,
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: and cottage In they had they had the they had
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: the best pizza. And I always felt like cottage In
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: was out of all the places that we could get. So,
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: you know, he had mister spots, you had cottage In,
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: and we only had like four different places you can
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: go from. Like that one to me was like the most,
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: Like I felt like I was really doing something if
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: I went into college Cottagein and got something, you know
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying. The restaurant. Yeah, yeah, it was like, yeah,
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: you know, I felt like I was doing something, you
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: know what I mean? So cottage In was that deal.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: Last last college go to the NFL Top five players
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: University of Michigan history, but not like obviously, like the
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: argument here would be Tom Brady. Would Tom Brady be
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: a top five Michigan football player?
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: Not a Michigan right right, right right?
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: But you have one, so you don't have to do
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: it yourself.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: I got to put myself in there. Yeah, well we could.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: I put myself in. Can I put myself in an
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: offense and defense and I can be.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: Like that?
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: Oh man, that's that's pretty tough. I'm gonna say. Uh.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: Desmond i'd have to go Anthony Carter. Mmmm, that's tough.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: Let's get my man hutch in there, Steve Hutchison.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: Mm hmmm, that sneaky with one maybe Jake Long.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: Okay, so I got two receivers in right now, because
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: I've already smoked with that mold and I got to
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: Oh so that would be two offensive tackles, no choice
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: in the guard.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: But also Blake Horn.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because you got some recent guys in there, Let's
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: put Blake in there. Let's put Blake in there for
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: what he did, uh these last couple of seasons. And
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: he's rocking the deuce out there too. Let's do that.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: So that's that's fine, right, that's fine. Okay.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: The tough question it was helped me out. Was Blake's
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: stats overall better than heart?
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: Oh? Yes, I just remember the touchdown wise for sure,
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: I think because he got a bunch of touchdowns.
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: By any Michigan players.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and he.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: Like I think he blew it up. I don't think
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: he blew it out. I think he be about one
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: or two.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but did it.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: With only like three years starting as opposed to that
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: Anthony Thomas, Yeah, he was at like fifty five four
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: year starter and he got like fifty seven.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: Six Mike did.
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: It was real?
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: What the what the core? All right? Yeah? But the
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: thing is, even even though you have the all the
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: yards and stuff, it's still about impact too. Yeah, Like
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: his impact on the team is one of those things
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: that you know, it might not be top five and
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: Russian or whatever, but his impact on coming back, you
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. And then his impact just just
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: his presence on the field. Man, So like my man, Yeah, yeah, I.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Don't even I mean, you had such an incredible NFL
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: career as well, it's kind of like hard to focus
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: on something or start somewhere. But I am curious, Like
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: you're one of the greatest Raiders of all time, and
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: then you had that stint in Green Bay where you
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: played a lot of good ball, and then you come
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: back to Oakland like when you were in a hit
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: free agency, like you were somebody who were friend you
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: were franchise tagged, right yep, So like was there when
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: you left Oakland the first time? Was there like bitterness
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: with the organization when going to Green Bay? Like because
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: you obviously came back around to Oakland, but being such
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: a great player for them when they kind of like,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: let you go elsewhere. Was there like any resentment? Was
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: there any bitterness of the business per se?
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of because I never thought that I would
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: leave Oakland, and the bitterness was more so with you know,
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: like the GM at the time, so not necessarily just Raiders.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: It was just the GM, you know, And I think
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: at that time, you know, you know, they you know,
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: told my agents or something something that there was you know,
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: no value to bringing me back to the Raiders, and
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: that was coming from from that side, and so it
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: was like, you know what I'm saying, what are you
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: talking about? So, yeah, it was it was a little
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: bit bitterness in that regard. But I was also like
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: I said, I didn't think I would leave there. But
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: then it was I've got franchise tagged, so I was free,
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: so I could go anywhere. So I thought that, you know,
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: I was going to have my my picket or litter
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: you know, anywhere I wanted to go. You know, I
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: was gonna be able to go. And it, man, it
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: was it was dry as this hear out there, you
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: know what I mean, Yeah, it was. It was kind
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: of crazy. And so you know, I went in thinking
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: one thing, and then my experience wasn't all that great,
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: you know. And so through the process, green Bay began
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: to call my agents and and you know, wanted to
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: bring me in, and you know, I was reluctant. I
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: was like, nah, you know, I'm not going to Green Bay.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: So there was no really no really no reason for
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: me to visit there and so called again. And when
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: everything was really like quiet from from everyone else, you know,
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: I had my agent reaching out to other people and
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: nobody was biting. So I was like, all right, well,
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: let me go to Green Bay because we got to
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: at least try to draw some interest from I'll go there.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: Maybe somebody else will be like, all right, well some
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: other people are checking form. Man. It was it was crazy, yo.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: But if green Bay didn't want me, I don't. I
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: really don't know where where I would have played in
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: two thousand and six. It really, yeah, really.
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: Why do you think it was so dry? Like the
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: free agency market?
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: There were you know, just there was a lot of
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: a lot of things out there. One I had I
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: did come off an injury. I broke my leg in
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: two thousand and five, so I missed the final ten
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: games of the season and then people talked about my
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: attitude and talked about you know, just a lot of
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: different different things and so, and I think some of
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: that came from the raider side as well, just you know,
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: putting some stuff out there conversation, you know, right right,
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: right right. Because because Mike McCarthy asked when I first
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: met with Mike, because it was his first I think
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: it was his first year, was my first year, he
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: asked me about it in our meeting. He was like, oh,
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: what is this about you, you know, being a bad
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: bad team guy, bad locker room guy. And I was like, what, Like, man,
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: you can't talk to any players I played with that's
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: say I'm a I'm a bad locker room guy. So
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: I don't know where that's coming from. So there was
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: some things being you know put out there. Uh that
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: muddy the water and so yeah, it was just it
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: was a it was a little tough, tough period man
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: to kind of go through as a guy who I
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: had done everything, you know. Oh yeah, so I'm like, damn,
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: that's how they that's how they really feel.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, did you did you have any more moments that
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: you felt like they were defining you by that you
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: might have had lower moments while being on the Raiders
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: that allowed them to say, what's this about you being
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: a bad team guy?
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, I mean I had some asshole in me.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: I ain't gonna say that. Yeah, But but in terms
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: of you know, player and you know, uh, guys in
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: the locker room. Nah, it wouldn't have it wouldn't have
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: been from that. But yeah, I mean I had my
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: I have my my issues with coaches at times. You know,
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: I like to hang out, do my thing, you know
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying, outside of playing football. So you know,
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: maybe that could have had something to do with it.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: Who knows, But in terms of being able to play
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: the game, and you know, just overall, you know, good dude,
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: I'm a good dude, you know what I'm saying.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: Can you speak to like your development in the the
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: film room, because obviously, like you're a guy, you were,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: you were an All American coming out, Heisman Trophy winner,
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: top five pick, like you have all the accolades, right,
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: Like it's like, oh, he's the most He's just so talented.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: He's super talented. But I'm also fortunate enough to play
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: with Will Blackman for a couple of years. And when
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Will and I we'd have our sushi knights and stuff,
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: but he would talk about you as somebody who's always
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: like a last in the building, and he would learn
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: a lot of his study habits from you. You feel
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: like you had those throughout your entire career. You developed
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: him as you got older, because he always said the
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: best things about you. I feel like something like that,
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: like being a student of the game, kind of gets
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: slept on when you're somebody who has all the accolades.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: In the world. Yeah, I think it compounds over time
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: because you do start out, you know, like myself, I
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: was a great athlete, so a lot of stuff's going
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: to come easy, you know, so you don't necessarily have
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: to spend as much time looking at certain things. But
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: the one thing that I've always had as a player
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: was I've had great play recall, you know what I mean.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: So when you're out there on the field and you
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: see certain things, you start to pick up on tendencies
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: like I always had that without necessarily having to look
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: at film. And so then you know, as your career
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: goes on, you take different different methods from different coaches
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: like Vance Befford, Like I remember, you know, just going
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: back to a certain play. We played Northwestern my junior
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: year and it was a third and long situation and
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: me and him had went over what they liked to
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: do in that situation and they ran out and I
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: picked that out off. So different things you pick up
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: from different coaches. Chuck Burgano was another guy who worked
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: on me on third down as well, you know, being
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: around him, I learned a lot on third down tendencies,
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: you know that being money down and so over time,
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: then you start developing your own style of how you
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: like to see things. And so for me, like I said,
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: I always had, you know, good play. Recall what I
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: would start to do in my studies. I would start
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: to watch the game from the opposing team's one yard
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: line all the way to the one yard line, but
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: then the same personnel. So I wanted to see from
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: the one to the one, same person I want to
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: see it in all parts of the field because you'll
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: run certain things from first to five, first to ten,
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: ten to twenty twenty to forty forty to twenty twenty two.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, and a lot of it
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: mirrors what you do from here to here, you know
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: what I mean. So like you take a wheel for example.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: You know, I would have my film broken up certain ways,
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: and then I would tell those guys, this is how
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: I like to look at the film. And so we would,
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: you know, when we'd have our times together in our
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: film room, we would look at the film and then
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: we start going over these things. When and when I
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: would see something that would kind of they may get
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: to it a different way, but it's the same thing.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: Would I would go back to it, all right, Now
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: watch this. Watch how this team lines up on this
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: plane runs it. Now watch them motion to it and
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: run it. But it's the same thing, you know. So
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: I was always taught it's not how you line up,
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: it's how you wind up. So those are the things
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: that I was able to, you know, pass along to
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: those guys. And for me, it's just over time, it
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: was I got gradually even better at it.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: You know, you found like another way to prepare them
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: be like, okay, added to your game and that that
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: fires me up as a defensive guy. That's that's that's
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: football porn right there.
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: It seems like you had a good way of simplifying
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: things exactly, emotions and stuff like that. This is the
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: same thing, just a little extra dressing on it, like
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: to go back to like the you know, tough locker
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: room guy, or these being put into a box of
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: a category of your character. For Charles Woodson, how when
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: you're hearing these things from different coaches from different gms,
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: like how did you was that like motivation for you?
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: Like I'll prove you wrong and this is why or
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: how do you handle those types of things when someone
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: might be putting you in a corner and saying you're
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: like this, when you truly don't feel you're like that.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: Actually I was kind of I was hurt, man, you
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. Yeah, that kind of hurt, you
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: know because I never, throughout my whole life, had never
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: been in a position where people doubted me. You know
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying, that never, And so that was that
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: was a period where it was like there was there
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: was some doubt cast over me as a as a as
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: a football player. Now you may not like me as
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: a person or whatever that is, but like on the
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: football field, like to have somebody say, man, he can't
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: do that anymore. He's always heard he's injury prone, he's that,
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: and that's like damn, Like that that kind of that
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: kind of broke me down a little bit. And so
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: when I when I first got to Green Bay, you know,
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: there was just a period in there where I was like, damn,
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: I don't I don't even want to play football anymore,
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So at Green Bay, Yeah,
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: when I when I first got there and I first signed,
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: you know, I called a few people who are close
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: to me and I was like, yeah, I think I'm
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna hang it up. And and it
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: was my uh my agent at the time, Kevin Posting.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: He uh he said, hey, man, he said, you signed
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: the contract, right. I was like, yeah, I signed the contract.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: He was like, well, that's like giving your word. And
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: I was like yeah. He was like, you at least
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: at least need to play one at least play one year.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Because you've signed the contract,
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: you gave me your word at least need to play
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: one year. And so I was like, yeah, you know what,
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: that makes sense. That makes sense. So, you know, I
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: got through that little period and then you know, things
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: just kind of just started to take off and slow
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: down in Green Bay, where I was like, all right,
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: I'm back.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: You guys had a good team too. It looked fun,
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: like everybody talked about your schematics defensively, why m I
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: forget his name?
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: Coordinator, Well, that was later you're talking about Dom Capers. Okay,
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: that was later on when I first got there was
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: another guy. But we but in terms of having fun,
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: we had we had a great group, especially secondary wise,
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: Al Harris, Nick Collins, Tremion Williams had just come in
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: some young some other young guys are tarry big beats,
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: so like our secondary you know, then young will comes in.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: We had just some young, good guys on that secondary
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: man and uh, it was great because you know when
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: you talk about I had some young guys that kind
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: of looked up to me, and so you know, kind
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: of watching what I did, and you talk about the
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: film study and all of those sorts of things. So
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: then it really became fun because because then it was
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: almost like a responsibility. How am I going to get
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: to help these guys, you know, get to the next level.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: And it was really about going out there and showing
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: them for the most part. But then just those little
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: things like you know, finding your own way to watch
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: the film that makes it easier for you, right, and
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: then you grow from there?
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: When did you find that transition of like when you
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: first set in the league and you get in a
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: locker with a bunch of NFL players, you're like, oh shit,
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: that's the so and so, Oh that's this guy. And
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: then eventually it flips where people and they're a fan
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: of you now yea, yeah, yeah, now you're Yeah, you're young,
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: You're the dude that people are like, yo, let me
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: watch film with you? And like where where do you
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: think that switch turned for you in your NFL career?
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: Was like, Okay, I'm now the guy that's supposed to
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: be leading, not following, if following for lack of a
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: better work, because youre always gonna do you when you're young,
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: it's just like you're looking up to these guys. Now
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: guys you're looking up to you.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: It was it probably started around six years in because
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: that's when because so when I first came in, like
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: Tim Brown, Tim Brown's in the locker room, you know
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying. Yeah, Napoleon Kaufman who watched in college
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: and then he was with the Raiders. Who else do
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: we have? Man, Dude? I just saw him too. Uh,
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: I think of it a minute, but in a minute,
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: but Russell Maryland, uh, Pat Swilling, it was it was crazy,
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, because because when you're when
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: you're young, you don't you don't think you'll catch those
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: guys because it seems like it seems like as far away.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: And then Jerry Rice came in, like, holy s these
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: dudes are in the same locker room, you know. And
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: so then around six years in then those guys are gone.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: Tim's gone, uh, Jerry's uh, He's gone. Now, so now
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: those those older guys are kind of peeling off, and
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: so now you're starting to be one of the older guys.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: And so then it kind of becomes oh, man, you know,
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: I used to watch you. Then as you get older,
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: you get the green Bay. Oh man, yea, I used
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: to watch you. And then all of a sudden, your
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: grandpa he's like, damn.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: Rookie comes in there, like ya, I used to watch
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: you in high school. Yeah, yeah, high school really have
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: been for a while.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: No doubt.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: Who are some of the best leaders you've been around?
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: And maybe they weren't the biggest names either, but who
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: are some of the best leaders that you've been around.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: Like Tim Brown was a great leader. I thought that
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: one of my favorite guys who was who was with
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: the Raiders when I first got there was Eric Turner,
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: you know who who passed away maybe like my maybe
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: like second second or third year and NFL Eric Allen.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: You know, tremendous guys like I feel like when I
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: came in, we had we had like real real veterans
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: of the game. You know what I'm saying. You know
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: guys who you know had been through a lot and
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: just you know, they they respected the game, you know
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: what I mean? Yeah, I have respect for the people
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: who came before them, Like I played with those kind
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: of guys man, And so I would say, those are
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: the guys who you know come off at the top
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: off the top of my mind. When I first got in.
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: You had you had two boys, right, I got too boys?
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: Two boys? How has it been with them starting to
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: play sports? And you kind of like, hey, the expectation
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: is not to win a Heisman and the Defensive Player
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: of the year, first round pick, Like how do you
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: temper those expectations when your kids are looking up to
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: you as a father. I want to be like you
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: in succeed you essentially.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny because I have the conversation with him,
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: and it's funny because there's two different responses. So, you know,
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: I can tell my my oldest you know, hey man,
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: you know, look, you got all the talent in the world.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: You know, you'll be compared. We got the same name,
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: you know, but you can't worry about that. You know,
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: you just got to go do your thing. Whatever's gonna
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: happen is gonna happen. It's like, okay, yeah, that appreciate it.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: I tell my youngest son, hey man, you know, you
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: don't gotta you don't got to be this or that
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: that I'm gonna be in the Hall of Fame with you.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: So I'm like, cool, you know what I'm saying. You
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: gotta speak at first, you know what I mean.
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: So are you like, hey, you guys have to go
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: to Michigan?
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: Uh kind of unofficially Yeah.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if if they're highly recruited.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: Man, well, I you know I do. I do tell
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: those guys. Man, Listen, I want you to be able
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: to make your own decision wherever you you know, when
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: it comes to that point. But there's just one place
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: you can't go you know what I'm saying, Come.
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: On, can't go hypothetic? Cool? For whatever reason, your kids
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: are playing they're playing ball. They're getting offers, but they're
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: like small D one offers. You're getting some Max, you're
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: getting some some app state type of ones. But there
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: was one big team that comes in and happens.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: To be But here's my question, though, why would you
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: ask that question?
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the Ohio States are taking a shot.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, full right.
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we're talking about a in I ling ground.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: But hey, in I l full right, nobody else is calling.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: Might have to think about it.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: That would be so tough walk in the Stadium's so
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: tough for him wearing red.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna yeah, I'm gonna watch from the blimp.
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you have to watch from home.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: That's funny. Ask a good question. That'd be hard. Were
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: you in Green Bay with Favan Rogers?
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I first got there. FARV was there?
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: What was that drama? Like, you know, everybody got to
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: see you know, far retires, he comes back. You know
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: they never you know, they wouldn't see eyed eye. There's
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: obviously been a lot of public conversation and and like
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: transparency or subjective opinion around it, like what was it
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: like or like being kind of like in that drama
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: or around it.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: Well, I think for I think the guys on the
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: defensive side, we didn't really pay attention to it because
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: it's more, you know, he's in the you know, Bretton
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: and a Ride, They're in the meetings together all the time.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: They're always on the offensive side. So we really didn't
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: We really didn't get into that portion of it. The
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: most interaction, like for myself with a Ride is a
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: Ride was on the practice squad, and so he would
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: always go against our defense. So that was really all
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: I really paid attention to. Was that part of it.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: Now I remember that, you know that was U talks
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: of you know, Brett saying he doesn't really need to help,
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: you know, the guy that they just drafted basically to
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: replace him. But I never really laid eyes on like
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: visible tension between them because I wasn't paying attention to it,
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So, yeah, it wasn't It
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: wasn't anything that I really could comment on because I
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: was I wasn't in the middle of I didn't care,
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: to be honest, that's fair. I mean, I'm trying to
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to win the super Bowl. And and usually
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: it's a coach.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: It's like, hey, we got a pretty good one over
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: here in twelve and you're just thinking like, yeah, he
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: does a good job practice, but we should be there
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: picking this ball off right now.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: And and we knew it, man, we knew it right away.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: Like when when Brett was kind of enter out, you know,
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: coming back or not coming back, and we would play
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: we would play, you know, against a Rod uh in
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: those practices, and it was like, oh, yeah, when when
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: Brett Lee's we're gonna we're gonna be We're gonna be.
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: Spoiled quarterback Francis.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Rogers found found another one that looks.
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: Like, yeah, as you transitioned out of football, like how
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: difficult was it for you to like did you feel
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: completely fulfilled throughout your NFL career or was there a
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: point when you first left where you're like you're lacking
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: fulfillment the competitive nature that first ball, not playing ball,
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: Like how did you handle that?
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: No? Uh, well, two great things. One, I won a
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: super Bowl. So I think had I retired and not
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: won a super Bowl, then I would always think about, man,
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: what if what if you would have, could have should.
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: Right now that hurts sitting on this side of the couch.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: Yah changed championship. Yeah so now, yeah, so I got that.
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: And then when I retired, you know, I didn't I
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: really didn't know what what I was gonna do after
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: I retired. But what happened was, you know, you get
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: these these uh these articles that they they write up
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: about current players who are retiring who may be good
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: on television, And so after I retired, I went right
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: into television right I started working for ESPN. So I
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: really didn't have time to really like be retired and
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: be scared about that whole transition because I really went
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: right into something. So I would say, I'm very fortunate
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: that that happened because I didn't have to sit around
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: like looking back at oh man, I don't have anything
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: to do. You know, football is gone, you know, So
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: I was I was blessed to have that happen. And
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: then third, I would say, I played eighteen years, and
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: so you know, you know what I'm saying, Yeah, I
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: played eighteen years, and so I feel like the the
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: thing for me that I always think about is that
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: I remember the morning when I knew I was done
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: playing and it was against Detroit. We're in Detroit, and
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: remember looking out the window was snowing and Detroit in
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: the dome, so it don't it don't matter. But I
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: remember looking out and saying, man, if they canceled the
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: game to day, I would be okay. And as soon
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: as I said that to myself, I was like, it's over.
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: And so that morning that day, I mentally I retired.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: So I always say that I actually had that was
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: like the tenth game of the season. I actually had
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: six more games where I was able to play after
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: I retired, So I fulfilled myself as a player, and
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: then I got to come out of retirement and play
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: again for six more games. So dude, I my journey
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: has been. I wouldn't trade it. You know what I'm saying.
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't trade it.
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: So and when you were talking about, hey, I'm gonna rap,
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna be done my career, what year was that,
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: fifteen twenty fifteen, So that's I mean, imagine walk away
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: from the game when you were with the Packers.
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm good. That would have been Yeah, eight years.
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: I would have played eight years and I wouldn't be
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: on busting with the boys. Yeah, bro, yeah, hey, hey,
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: you guys will be you'd be like, remember that one
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: guy he went in the heis Minute. Remember what was
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: his name?
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah yeah yeah Bro.
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: What got you transitioned into being an entrepreneur with the
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: wine and the whiskey?
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So I got into the wine early. Man. When
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: I was with the Raiders, our training camp was in
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: Naple Valley, and so you know, each year training camp,
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: I was out in about you know, great restaurants all
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: over the valley and everyone was drinking wine like all
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: the time, like morning, noon, and night, always drinking wine.
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: So I just got really interested in it and created
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: my first label in two thousand and five, and then
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: around two thousand and seventeen eighteen, Intercept was born. So
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: that so first, so I was coming out of Naple
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: Valley now it's in Passo Rubbles. And then, uh, I
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: kind of always wanted the spirit to be a part
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: of you know, just my experience, and so a few
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: years back I met my partner of mine now and
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: uh we started sourcing whiskey out of Kentucky and uh
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: that's where Woodson Whiskey was born. So, man, if I
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: don't go to if I don't go to the Raiders.
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: I'm probably not into wine and probably not into whiskey.
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: So it's one of those things where there was an opportunity.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: I don't know why I saw it, but I saw
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: it and then Bam, here we go.
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: We'll meant to ask him.
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: Uh yeah, oh man, he can he We got you
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: got any cups? We got something you got that you
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: gotta have some.
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: You gotta talk about your relationship with the with the
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: Mark Davis.
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, great, great relationship with Mark. Man.
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: Are you Raiders over Michigan.
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: I'm I'm a Raider fan, man, I'm not Raiders over.
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: I can't do Raiders over Michigan right right, you know.
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: I mean you're like one of us. You're like, you're
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: obviously an ambassador, but yeah, you're always in You're always
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: in the mix.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: With the with the Silver, always in the mix man.
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: And uh, you know, it's just all about you know,
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: respect thing. You know, Mark respected the way that I
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: played the game. I think you appreciate it. You know
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: when I came back the second time around and you know,
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: he had taken over and just you know, playing on
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: some teams that we didn't have a lot, but just
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: watching myself go out there every week, you know, sometimes
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: banged up fingers, messed up ribs and all that. He's like, man,
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: you showed the guys what it was like, you know,
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: to be a Raider. So yeah, that's awesome. Raiders do
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: a fantastic jime.
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: Mean, I only played a total of like maybe ten
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: twelve games.
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: For the break. I do have a break. I got
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: a break.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: But going off that, I feel like the Raiders do
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: such a fantastic job of like taking care.
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: Of bringing back to guys once the raider always a
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: rady Yeah you hear it. Yeah, you would have been
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: a great raider man.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, there there is some, there are some,
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: there's some.
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: Absolutely this is my commemorative battle. So this is only
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: uh this this is only sold in the BATA. This
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: one right here, only sold in the BATA. So this
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: is a two year straight whiskey coming straight out of uh,
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: straight out of Kentucky.
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: Give it something, give it.
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: As I pour the glass and I swrolled along, I can.
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: I love the texture holding to the side of the
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: glass and slowly dripping back down. It's a really good whiskey.
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: As you sip it. I like to put all around
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: the mouth. No pause and take it because what I
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: do you like to do when I find the whiskey,
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: which is different is seeing how much it's gonna.
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: Stings as it goes down. Yeah. Yeah, pause.
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: It's got a nice uh sweetness to it sure as
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: it goes down my throat. No pause is not harsh.
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: It's not something that I'm gonna go and take down
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: and be like, oh that's a little tough. Maybe should
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: put something in there to take away that bite sits
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: on the tummy just right.
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: Oh man, Yeah, you kind.
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: Of feel like, oh, I have a warm and sensation
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: if it's a cool day outside, I put that in there.
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: I know internally I'm getting the heat I need. Overall,
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: four point five.
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: Four point five five, I think I can hope. Would
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: you like me to go?
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: How did you feel about that?
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: I'm close with what you're saying. I feel like I
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: taste and feel a lot of the things that you're
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: talking about. I think it's got a nice sweet heat
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: up front, like not too much of that peppery up front.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: You're kind of thinking to yourself like is it gonna
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: sting as it goes down your throat? It does nestle
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: down your throat very smoothly, and now that I'm in
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: my third or fourth sip, it's got a nice warm,
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: not like a harsh we're kind of messes up your
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: chance just sitting on your stomach.
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: It's very comfortable on an empty stomach. I don't know
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: if you've yeah, yeah, I know what you're just saying.
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And overall, I would give it a four point five.
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so we're going to take that as a nine
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: out of ten.
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: So our dumb shick is it's not about it's always
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: going to be four point five, because that thing's ever perfect.
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: But it's the description in what you hear that you
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: can establish, is that four point five out of five
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: is it out of twenty? So that's for the viewer
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: to decide.
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that, Like even a harsh of bad whiskey,
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: it's still good at four point five. But you would
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: explain it in a way of like, and that's not
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: my favorite.
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: I would say five are watering. Not a lot of
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: tastes in that, but it's a good whiskey.
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that. I like that. Let's a good
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: way to put that, though. I like the whole. I
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: like the whole four out of five portion of it.
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: You don't know if it's four point five out of
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty to twenty, but it's four point five.
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: But I love your description, and so I had to
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: come out here to get this matter of fact not
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: too long ago. And the first thing I thought was
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: there wasn't there's a sweetness in but I couldn't put
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: my finger on it, like like what I what? I what?
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: I what sweetness it was? So later on I'll drink
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: it again. Now I'll have something for you because it does.
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: My first thought is caramel, Like there's a caramel.
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: Well, you usually you get a little in your your bourbons,
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: you know, get a little bit of that caramel, a
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: little bit of that vanilla. But but there's there's there's
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: something else, and I just can't because.
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: There's a lot.
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: It'll sting your lips and you never get to get
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: the flavor right. So I needed to have and I
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: always want to have something that, man, you can you
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: can enjoy. Uh. You know a lot of people want
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: uh you know, barrel strength whiskey, you know, which is great.
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: You got to put your cube in it. That's cool,
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: and we'll do some things like that. As well, But
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: your your every day whiskey. What I want you to
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: enjoy on game day, I want you to be able
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: to enjoy it. I just you know, put the cube
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: or I don't need you to do all that.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: Do you like? Are you more of a fan of
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: your whiskey or the one?
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: No? I mean that both my kids I know you love.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: But what wins more? What wins more?
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: Right now? Who's your favorite child at this moment?
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: You're not.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: You're gonna say I love them both the same, but
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: you're going to think of one name first. Yeah, I'll
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: tell you right.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: I don't do that. I don't do the thing.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: I love.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: I love both my babies the same, boys more than
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: others at certain times. Well, what I would say, though,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: what I would say with the with the whiskey, is
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: that it's more interactive. That makes sense because there's a
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: lot of things you can do with it, you know.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: So if I was going to have a party or
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: get together or something, and we wanted to make a
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: bunch of different things out of that whiskey, old man,
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: we got we got. We got a whole range of
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: things that we can do, we can express on our
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: teams Manhattan's old fashioned paper planes. We can do all
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: these different things. We could make something with the wine
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: as well. We do. We do a little. It's called
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: a one of the restaurants I go that have both
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: of my products, it's called the Intercept Sour So it
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: has their housemade sour mix my red blend which is
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: not there, and my whiskey and they mix it in
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: this nice little I.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: Feel like, you know what I'm saying, do you have
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: a cigar? Notyt I was gonna say, I feel like
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: you got the whiskey, like, I feel like you got
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: you got the nice the age beard. That's really well done.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: I feel like you're a cigar guy. Did you like
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: that when the Raiders will pull that out after the victory? Yeah?
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: Talk about talk about Ap getting the getting the head
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: coaching job.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think Mark had to do it.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: Man had to do it. It was a ground swell
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: of support for for Ap and just the way he
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: came in Man and and the way that the team
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: just really responded to him. I thought they had to
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: do it. So I'm excited for him. And I was
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: able to go and talk to him before they went
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: and played Indianapolis and I told the guys, I said, hey, man,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: I can't wait until I get the chance to come
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: in the locker room and hang out at Club Braider
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: with you guys. And so last game of the season
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: against Denver, I got a chance to get in the
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: Club Braider. After the game, Max crowsby running around, Yeah,
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: hands me the cigar. And that was a moment, man,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: that was a real moment. And so I love it.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: I think Ap is gonna, he's gonna, you know, do
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: a great job. I think he's gonna, you know, hopefully.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: You know, he's a great talent evaluator along with the
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: new GM man and they get guys in here that
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  Speaker 2: love the game of football and who want to be Raiders,
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  Speaker 2: and so if he can accomplish that, yeah, we'll be right.
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  Speaker 2: We'll be right.
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  Speaker 3: And we appreciate you coming on.
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  Speaker 2: This has been incredible. Man.
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  Speaker 3: There was one quick story I do want to tell.
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  Speaker 3: It was after my rookie year and I was in town.
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  Speaker 3: We were doing a charity event. I believe it was
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  Speaker 3: Yours and Hushingson's security event, and I went to my
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  Speaker 3: old house because obviously a couple of guys were there
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  Speaker 3: that I used to live at I was damn near
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  Speaker 3: blackout drunk, and I was on some extracurriculars as well.
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  Speaker 2: You come along way from that baby swimming pool, no question.
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  Speaker 3: A car, dude, A car pulls up and Charles Woodson walks.
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  Speaker 2: A little you know the little pools that you fill
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  Speaker 2: up for like two year olds. Ye, this guy.
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  Speaker 3: Sitting in it, and we're you know, the you've seen
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  Speaker 3: the house I lived on. It was like right on
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  Speaker 3: that main street called State Street, not far from not
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  Speaker 3: far from drunk, now far from Templar. He pulls up
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  Speaker 3: because I'm supposed to be that charity events and I
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  Speaker 3: ended up going blackout. It was a terrible experience for
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  Speaker 3: everybody else but me. But he pulls up and all
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  Speaker 3: my boys are there, and you came up at me up.
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  Speaker 3: We talked for a second and I got back in
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  Speaker 3: that tub.
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  Speaker 1: After you left.
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  Speaker 3: I felt like the fucking man. I was like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: he just pulled up just to say what's up and.
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  Speaker 2: Left right right right, randomly riding down the street. Taylor,
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  Speaker 2: why in a baby swimming pool? It was I gotta
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  Speaker 2: see what's going on over it was.
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  Speaker 3: That was an interesting time of my life. Will Will
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  Speaker 3: has heard some stories about me and Michigan and the couple.
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  Speaker 2: First different all of you offensive linemen. Man, you guys
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  Speaker 2: are crazy. Nuts, you guys are crazy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's definitely calmed down quite a bit, thank god,
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  Speaker 3: because I would have right now, i'de.
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  Speaker 2: This is what I tell people before you in is
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  Speaker 2: you You. You're a different person now, you do things differently.
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  Speaker 2: And so we all came into the NFL, you played
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  Speaker 2: you know how many other years and you do a
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  Speaker 2: lot of dumb ship. And so what I tell young
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  Speaker 2: guys is like, I hope you make it to the
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  Speaker 2: other side. You know what I'm saying, Because a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people in those first couple of years they get
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  Speaker 2: into some ship they never recover. But if you can
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  Speaker 2: play long enough, man, and kind of just keep yourself
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  Speaker 2: somewhat clean and and keep yourself fitting ready to play,
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  Speaker 2: and you can get to the other side. Man, it's
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  Speaker 2: so much, so much better, you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: But you but you don't know unless you get over it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm happy you made it to the other side.
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  Speaker 3: Appreciate that, man. Yeah, it's a it's a cool transition.
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  Speaker 3: It would be an incredible regret to not make that transition.
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  Speaker 3: And then be sitting, you know, out of the league
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  Speaker 3: and knowing like, man, what could I have actually done
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  Speaker 3: if I wouldn't have just got out of my own way,
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  Speaker 3: And so it was it's really cool, but that moment
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  Speaker 3: was awesome. Man, that was a very cool moment. This
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  Speaker 3: ultimate Please subscribe.
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  Speaker 1: Hey Dad, Charles Woodson, Charles Woodson, Man appreciate you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, go Blue, Go Blue.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, we got you this too,