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Episode #3976 The New Phil Hendrie Show Radio Archive Hour · The World of Phil Hendrie

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Speaker 1: The world famous Phil Henry Show at philhenryshow.com. The greatest
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Speaker 1: value online other than porn. Welcome, everybody, to today's highlighted
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Speaker 1: feature radio archive hour. And this is Art Griego from
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Speaker 1: the year 2004, if I'm not mistaken.
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Speaker 2: No, 2006.
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Speaker 1: This is Art Griego from the year 2006, July. And
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Speaker 1: It's the month of January. So it's Art Griego. And he,
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Speaker 1: funny enough, he is a pilot. at least he's a
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Speaker 1: retired pilot, he said that when he was flying commercial
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Speaker 1: and the plane didn't feel right, he'd go below and
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Speaker 1: start chucking luggage out. And it didn't necessarily have to
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Speaker 1: be luggage that was heavy. If somebody on the plane
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Speaker 1: that he happened to notice pissed him off or he
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Speaker 1: thought just was too arrogant or maybe it was a
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Speaker 1: movie star, he threw their stuff out the plane too.
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Speaker 1: So you can imagine that Art's career wasn't all that long.
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Speaker 1: As a private pilot, I don't think it was all
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Speaker 1: that lucrative. Although there he is still at Santa Monica Airport,
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Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, it was just waxing his plane down,
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Speaker 1: waiting for a job. Yeah, waxing it down, waiting for
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Speaker 1: a job.
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Speaker 2: What? Well, it could be perceived as dirty. We didn't
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Speaker 2: mean it that way.
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Speaker 1: Art Griego is a retired commercial pilot, although Mr. Griego,
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Speaker 1: I understand, flew charter mostly and had his own charter business,
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Speaker 1: but did hear that broadcast and.
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Speaker 2: Wants to jump on the phone with us this evening.
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Speaker 1: We offer offered him the opportunity to do so and
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Speaker 1: give maybe more of a pilot's side to, you know,
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Speaker 1: how bags are lost and what the experience is to
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Speaker 1: fly commercial aircraft. And we welcome you to the program, Mr.
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Speaker 2: Griego. Thank you very much.
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Speaker 1: And I hope I didn't say anything that was too
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Speaker 1: offensive to your profession as a pilot. I guess I
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Speaker 1: was mostly talking in terms of the experience of.
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Speaker 3: Piloting No, the baggage handling, Phil, and that kind of thing,
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Speaker 3: and I thank you.
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Speaker 2: But the people who handle the bags are ground crew.
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Speaker 3: Well, you mentioned equal time. I heard you talking about
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Speaker 3: United Airlines losing your son's bag. I am a former
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Speaker 3: commercial pilot. I didn't fly for one of the big
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Speaker 3: air carriers, Phil. I operated a charter for a number
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Speaker 3: of years. Right. And it's for reasons such as the
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Speaker 3: ones I want to discuss with you tonight that I
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Speaker 3: don't have my business anymore. No, I did not fly
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Speaker 3: big carriers, but I can tell you I had a
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Speaker 3: lot of late-night drinks with a great many guys who did,
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Speaker 3: and we talked well into the night. And based on
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Speaker 3: what I've heard, and I feel that pilots are the
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Speaker 3: unsung heroes of the American way of life, if you will,
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Speaker 3: the American culture, and we're reminded of this during this
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Speaker 3: time of year.
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Speaker 1: When you say unsung heroes, and I know I want
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Speaker 1: this all ties into the baggage issue, you're talking about
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Speaker 1: it's a very difficult job.
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Speaker 3: Well, you hear a lot about police officers.
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Speaker 2: It's a dangerous job.
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Speaker 3: It is a dangerous job. You have to contend with
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Speaker 3: an environment that is difficult to even cope with if
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Speaker 3: you're not a pilot. and the tendency that people have
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Speaker 3: to complain about the air service. I heard you talking
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Speaker 3: the other day on your show about your son's travel
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Speaker 3: to L.A. and his bag being misplaced. And I don't
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Speaker 3: think a lost bag, if you understood what really goes
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Speaker 3: on up there, would be that big of a deal.
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Speaker 2: Well, maybe I don't know what you're referring to.
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Speaker 3: I'm referring to the hundreds and hundreds of near incidents
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Speaker 3: that can occur when a commercial aircraft is vectoring in
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Speaker 3: or out of its assigned area. airspace. The hundreds and
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Speaker 3: hundreds of times that we avert disaster, well, the passengers
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Speaker 3: have no idea what has happened. And when the plane lands,
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Speaker 3: most of the time what we hear are stories like yours,
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Speaker 3: you know, complaining.
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Speaker 2: Well, nobody wants to hear just complaining about their job.
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Speaker 1: And I understand that the safety is important, but if
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Speaker 1: the airline says it's going to take a bag from
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Speaker 1: here to there.
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Speaker 2: Then they have a financial... A contract with me. They
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Speaker 2: have an obligation to fulfill that contract, don't they?
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Speaker 3: Well, first of all, Phil, you and your listeners probably
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Speaker 3: would be surprised to hear that the handling of baggage
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Speaker 3: is a courtesy.
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Speaker 4: It is.
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Speaker 3: Every member of the ground crew is simply there to
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Speaker 3: assist the flight crew in getting that plane airborne, getting
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Speaker 3: that plane thousands and thousands of tons of metal off
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Speaker 3: the ground. And whatever the ground crew can do to assist...
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Speaker 3: the flight crew in doing that from making sure that
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Speaker 3: our our our frame of mind is right to make
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Speaker 3: sure that we're our mood is correct your bag while
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Speaker 3: we do want to carry that bag is not our
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Speaker 3: primary concern our primary concern is navigating that aircraft down
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Speaker 3: the runway averting any air traffic in the area making
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Speaker 3: sure that we can negotiate the hundreds and hundreds of
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Speaker 3: planes that are in the sky and pray that we
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Speaker 3: get to the place that we're going to get to
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Speaker 3: without some kind of a disaster. So the handling of
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Speaker 3: baggage is a courtesy.
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Speaker 2: What do you mean by courtesy? You are not obligated?
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Speaker 3: We want to take the bags, and we sincerely do
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Speaker 3: want to transport people's luggage. But if the plane doesn't
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Speaker 3: feel right, if the plane is not.
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Speaker 3: Feeling the way we feel it should if it's if
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Speaker 3: it's if it's heavy if the plane is not handling
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Speaker 3: properly There are many times when a pilot will go
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Speaker 3: down into the cargo hold if you have to jettison
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Speaker 3: some luggage if you have to Get rid of some
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Speaker 3: of that some.
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Speaker 1: Of that weight Are you so in other words you
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Speaker 1: throw luggage off the aircraft?
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Speaker 3: In much the same way you jettison fuel yes, and
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Speaker 3: so if my son I can tell you feel that
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Speaker 3: a lot of times if you say you've got a
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Speaker 3: lost bag and Many times, I won't say most of
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Speaker 3: the time, but many times that's what happened. A pilot
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Speaker 3: will go down there, he makes a judgment call. It's
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Speaker 3: a quick one, but one that he has to make.
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Speaker 2: So what does he do? He goes into the freight
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Speaker 2: hold there?
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Speaker 3: Well, it's a pressurized area where we are able to
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Speaker 3: lower the flight to an acceptable altitude and simply open
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Speaker 3: a hatch and kick some of this luggage out and
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Speaker 3: You don't want to have to.
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Speaker 1: You're kicking luggage out of the plane in order for
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Speaker 1: the flight... See, here is my concern.
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Speaker 2: Isn't the.
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Speaker 3: It's just a courtesy.
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Speaker 1: Isn't there an obligation on the part of the airline
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Speaker 1: to take my bag from one place.
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Speaker 2: To the next?
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Speaker 3: See, I want to note that you are concentrating on
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Speaker 3: the bag. I just... I want to tell you that
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Speaker 3: while your baggage is important, the pilots are trying... to
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Speaker 3: get you from Los Angeles or New York or Chicago
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Speaker 3: or Atlanta or wherever you're flying from to wherever you're
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Speaker 3: going safely. And they're going to do that. And if
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Speaker 3: it means that your bag has to be thrown off
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Speaker 3: the aircraft for whatever reason, then it's going to happen.
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Speaker 3: And I'm sorry that your son's bag got lost. Are you?
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Speaker 1: Is it possible that my son's bag got thrown out
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Speaker 1: of the aircraft? It is possible, especially on a coastal
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Speaker 1: route where you're out over the ocean and the plane
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Speaker 1: may not be feeling right. A pilot or an engineer
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Speaker 1: or someone will go down there, or a flight attendant
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Speaker 1: will go down there, take a look at the baggage.
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Speaker 1: If you see a large parcel, and a lot of
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Speaker 1: times some of the passengers, a flight attendant will tell you, well,
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Speaker 1: the passenger in this seat, that seat, is giving us
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Speaker 1: a hard time. Or it's not an individual.
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Speaker 3: That we like dealing with. you're going to go down there,
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Speaker 3: and it's only human nature. If you see that person's
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Speaker 3: steamer trunk, you're going to decide that that's almost out
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Speaker 3: of anger. You're just going to take your foot and
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Speaker 3: kick it completely off the aircraft, come what may. But
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Speaker 3: that's really what I wanted to say to you, and
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Speaker 3: I don't like people thinking that what we do is
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Speaker 3: some kind of a hayride.
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Speaker 2: Art Griego joins us. Mr. Griego is a retired charter pilot.
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Speaker 1: And this all started when I was talking about my
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Speaker 1: son having his bag lost, and we never did get
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Speaker 1: it back. You heard the broadcast. You're talking about pilots
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Speaker 1: and the safety of the passengers.
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Speaker 3: Well, the safety of the passengers is important, Phil, but
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Speaker 3: understand that every day a pilot flies into the unknown.
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Speaker 3: He is flying into a congested airspace that has every
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Speaker 3: kind of danger lurking. Air collision, running out of fuel,
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Speaker 3: mechanical failure, disorderly passengers. And then you have a plane
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Speaker 3: that may not feel good. It may not handle right.
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Speaker 3: You may feel a vibration in the yoke. And that's
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Speaker 3: when you're going to just go down there and say,
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Speaker 3: you know what, and throw some of that baggage off.
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Speaker 3: But it's a hectic experience.
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Speaker 1: All right, and I appreciate you calling and giving us
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Speaker 1: your side of this. I'm going to give our number out, Mr. Griego,
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Speaker 1: because we do take... calls on our program.
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Speaker 3: I'd be happy to answer people's questions because it's not
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Speaker 3: often we get a chance to hear from people without
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Speaker 3: them complaining about something.
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Speaker 1: Alright, I understand. 1-800-449-8686 1-800-449-8686 Mr. Art Griego with us.
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Speaker 1: You had your own charter business. You were not a
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Speaker 1: commercial pilot.
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Speaker 3: That's correct.
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Speaker 2: So, but you still dealt with passengers.
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Speaker 3: I did deal with passengers, Phil, and there were times
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Speaker 3: when you would take off from a small airport, and
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Speaker 3: you've got a passenger on board, and this is a
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Speaker 3: person who is concerned about their bags. They're concerned about this.
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Speaker 3: A lady came, and she had a dog in a cage,
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Speaker 3: and she was being particularly troublesome to us and to
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Speaker 3: the attendant that we had. And it was only with
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Speaker 3: the greatest of restraint that I was able to keep
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Speaker 3: myself from taking that cage with that dog in it
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Speaker 3: and throwing that thing out of the aircraft. And it's
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Speaker 3: because I love dogs, I didn't do it.
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Speaker 2: Good Lord, man. First of all.
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Speaker 3: Well, but you need to understand that what a pilot's
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Speaker 3: doing is trying to do something that we still don't
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Speaker 3: know really why it happens. Why does something fly? We
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Speaker 3: don't understand it. All we know is that we're able
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Speaker 3: to do it. And now, if this is something that
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Speaker 3: an aeronautical engineer can't figure out, now you put a
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Speaker 3: guy behind the yoke of that aircraft, and you ask
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Speaker 3: him to fly it, and he's just doing what you
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Speaker 3: told him to do. He doesn't understand why it's doing
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Speaker 3: what it's doing. This causes fear that can resonate with
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Speaker 3: you for years. And if a pilot gets a little nervous,
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Speaker 3: if he feels the plane doesn't feel right, he goes back,
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Speaker 3: He sees a cage with a dog in it, a
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Speaker 3: cage with a dog might have won the Westminster Dog Show.
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Speaker 3: Guess what? It's going out.
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Speaker 2: I can't believe that a.
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Speaker 3: Well, I don't know anyone that's done that. I'm just
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Speaker 3: saying that that is the possibility.
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Speaker 1: And again, I welcome the opportunity to talk to Mr.
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Speaker 1: Griego because I don't know all the ins and the
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Speaker 1: outs and how the airlines work. When I said my
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Speaker 1: son's bag got lost and.
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Speaker 1: You know, recognizing that it is a difficult job being
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Speaker 1: a pilot, Mr. Grego is saying that the baggage and
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Speaker 1: the handling of baggage is the least of the airline's concerns.
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Speaker 1: The number one concern is getting the aircraft from point
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Speaker 1: A to point B safely. And bags and the handling
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Speaker 1: of bags is just a courtesy. If the aircraft, for instance,
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Speaker 1: doesn't feel right, if it's a little heavy, they will
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Speaker 1: throw bags out. And a lot of times that's why
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Speaker 1: they're lost. Now, he said they're doing it down the
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Speaker 1: coastal route into the Pacific Ocean so I can understand
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Speaker 1: where it's not going to hit anybody. But still, I
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Speaker 1: thought that it is a contract that the airline has
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Speaker 1: with me.
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Speaker 2: And to take my son's bag or anybody's bag and.
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Speaker 1: Throw it out the window because you feel the plane
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Speaker 1: is not flying right. The world famous Phil Hendry Show.
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Speaker 4: Mr.
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Speaker 1: Art Griego, he's a pilot. Former charter pilot, had his
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Speaker 1: own charter. So you had your own charter service. You
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Speaker 1: don't have it any longer.
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Speaker 3: I don't have it any longer, Phil. And the reason
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Speaker 3: is because I can tell you I had a passenger who,
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Speaker 3: as anyone, any pilot will tell you, was not a
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Speaker 3: very agreeable person. She had come on board. She was,
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Speaker 3: I will tell you, a celebrity. I guess she felt
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Speaker 3: entitled to something, but As soon as we got airborne,
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Speaker 3: I felt that she, just being on the aircraft, was
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Speaker 3: endangering it. By her attitude, by the way she was
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Speaker 3: treating everyone, I can't land the aircraft right away. But
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Speaker 3: what I did do is go back where the bags were,
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Speaker 3: and she had one of these big steamer trunks. I'm
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Speaker 3: sure you've seen it. It had the stickers from all
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Speaker 3: over the world on it. Africa, Argentina, wherever she'd been.
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Speaker 3: And I opened up the back door of the aircraft
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Speaker 3: and I kicked it out with my right foot. And
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Speaker 3: I could tell you she put up.
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Speaker 2: What did she do?
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Speaker 3: Oh, she put up quite a stink.
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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, isn't that a suitable thing?
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Speaker 3: No, I told her, I said, look, your luggage, one
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Speaker 3: of the things people don't understand, you can travel with
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Speaker 3: a toothbrush, deodorant, socks, anything else you need you can
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Speaker 3: buy in a place that you arrive at. Traveling with
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Speaker 3: all of that extra gear not only is unnecessary, it
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Speaker 3: endangers the lives of every human being that is within
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Speaker 3: several feet of it because it's on the aircraft with them.
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Speaker 3: And now I've got to fly that aircraft and try
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Speaker 3: to navigate that aircraft safely with all of this individual's
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Speaker 3: surfboards and golf clubs and... their big trunk full of
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Speaker 3: big evening dresses and what they think they're going to
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Speaker 3: need when they get to wherever they're going. Meanwhile, I
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Speaker 3: am fighting for my life in the cockpit, trying to
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Speaker 3: keep the aircraft stable, in flight, and not on a
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Speaker 3: collision course with another craft. And all because someone decided
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Speaker 3: they wanted to bring along their scuba gear. So these
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Speaker 3: are the things that I think people need to be
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Speaker 3: reminded of.
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Speaker 2: All right, 1-800-449-8686. Chris, you're a pilot, correct?
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Speaker 5: Yes, sir.
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Speaker 2: Go ahead, sir.
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Speaker 5: What was your comment? Everything I've heard of this gentleman
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Speaker 5: you're talking to is false in these days. I'm not
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Speaker 5: sure when he did this stuff.
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Speaker 3: I flew for 30 years.
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Speaker 5: Okay. When did you retire?
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Speaker 3: Oh, I retired probably around 19. Well, the last commercial,
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Speaker 3: the last charter I flew was 1987. Okay.
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Speaker 5: And there was.
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Speaker 3: A time, Chris, when we wouldn't put up with any
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Speaker 3: of this. I would take that bag and pitch it.
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Speaker 5: Well, there's no airliner flying around today that you can
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Speaker 5: get access to the cargo bin. And there's no way
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Speaker 5: you can open the door and throw bags out. So
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Speaker 5: that doesn't happen today. It happened back then. It doesn't
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Speaker 5: happen today.
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Speaker 3: You know, I used to fly commercial. I would be
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Speaker 3: in the jump seat with friends of mine. And they
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Speaker 3: would regularly, as soon as they got the plane on
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Speaker 3: approach and got into a position where they didn't have
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Speaker 3: to pressurize the cabin, they would go down there and
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Speaker 3: start shoving luggage right out of the hold.
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Speaker 5: Why?
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Speaker 2: I mean, if they're landing, why?
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Speaker 3: For a lot of reasons. Look, landing, as Chris will
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Speaker 3: tell you, is one of the more critical times that
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Speaker 3: you're navigating aircraft. Takeoff and landing.
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Speaker 5: I'll tell you that this definitely doesn't happen in these days.
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Speaker 5: This doesn't happen anymore. Your son's back. When was it lost?
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Speaker 3: What do you do? Well, that's Mr. Henry.
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Speaker 2: That was my son, Chris. He was lost.
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Speaker 1: The week before Christmas, coming down from Sacramento.
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Speaker 5: I'll tell you, honestly, what probably happened to it is
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Speaker 5: it went to the wrong city, and they didn't know
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Speaker 5: what to do with it. And, you know, it ends
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Speaker 5: up taking a while, but it'll eventually make its way, hopefully.
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Speaker 3: Phil's son was on a commuter prop job, and you
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Speaker 3: know that those pilots... can get a little squirrely, and
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Speaker 3: some of them go back there and just start tossing
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Speaker 3: bags into the California aqueduct.
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Speaker 5: That's just false. I am one of those prop guys.
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Speaker 5: I do fly in the prop job, and I cannot
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Speaker 5: throw bags out in flight. I absolutely, positively cannot.
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Speaker 3: I'm not saying you, but some of these guys that
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Speaker 3: fly out here.
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Speaker 5: None of these guys do. We cannot throw bags off
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Speaker 5: of an airplane while it's flying.
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Speaker 2: On those prop jobs, they stow the bags like in
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Speaker 2: the nose, right, Chris?
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Speaker 5: No, usually it's in the tail or it's in the belly.
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Speaker 3: Well, but the point is, if it's in the tail,
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Speaker 3: you could open up a hatch and start pitching that
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Speaker 3: stuff out. No, you can't. Because, well, I did back
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Speaker 3: in my time. Okay, well, back in.
19:22
Speaker 5: Your time wasn't last week Christmas when this guy's son's
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Speaker 5: bag was lost.
19:26
Speaker 3: I understand that, but I'm just saying.
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Speaker 5: Okay, well, I don't think you do because you're telling
19:29
Speaker 5: him that people throw bags out in this day and
19:32
Speaker 5: age and they don't.
19:34
Speaker 6: Oh, no.
19:34
Speaker 3: What I said to him was, it's possible.
19:37
Speaker 2: Well, look, my son's.
19:38
Speaker 1: Flying on United Airlines. He was flying United Express. It's
19:41
Speaker 1: a reputable airline. I doubt highly if they hire guys
19:45
Speaker 1: there that are going to get a wild hare and
19:48
Speaker 1: take bags and start chucking them into the aqueduct.
19:51
Speaker 3: No, they can't.
19:53
Speaker 5: Even if they wanted to, they can't these days.
19:56
Speaker 3: I'm concerned with the safety of the pilots. You know
19:57
Speaker 3: how they say we're concerned with the safety of the passenger?
20:00
Speaker 3: I'm more concerned with the safety of the pilot. I
20:02
Speaker 3: wish the passengers would understand that more than anything, I
20:05
Speaker 3: want to live. Isn't that true of you, Chris?
20:09
Speaker 5: I honestly don't have a whole lot of fear.
20:12
Speaker 3: Don't you want to live? Oh, absolutely, but.
20:15
Speaker 5: I don't have a fear of flying or a fear
20:17
Speaker 5: of dying like you apparently did.
20:19
Speaker 3: I don't have a fear of flying.
20:20
Speaker 5: We go to work, we're trained well, we operate safely,
20:23
Speaker 5: and we strive to be safe every day. I'm sure
20:26
Speaker 5: that's where you're coming from.
20:27
Speaker 3: No, I'm simply saying that there is a good chance,
20:30
Speaker 3: not a great one, but it's a good chance, even today,
20:34
Speaker 3: that Phil's son's bag is floating somewhere out near Catalina.
20:37
Speaker 3: Because some guy on United Express got a wild hair up,
20:40
Speaker 3: as you know what. I strongly disagree.
20:46
Speaker 5: I strongly disagree. It's impossible.
20:49
Speaker 1: If, Chris, you say the bags are in the belly,
20:51
Speaker 1: these prop planes, there's no way to access that. I mean,
20:54
Speaker 1: if it was a commuter jet or it's a huge
20:56
Speaker 1: commercial jetliner. But how do you get down into the.
20:59
Speaker 3: No, it's in the tail. You could just open up
21:03
Speaker 3: a windscreen.
21:06
Speaker 5: It's probably an Embraer 120, and it should be in
21:09
Speaker 5: the tail.
21:09
Speaker 3: That sounds right.
21:11
Speaker 5: And there's no access. There's no way they're going to
21:14
Speaker 5: go walking past all of their passengers and open up
21:18
Speaker 5: the door to the trunk and open up the door
21:21
Speaker 5: during pressurized flight.
21:22
Speaker 3: And throw bags out. I did.
21:23
Speaker 5: It does not happen.
21:24
Speaker 3: I did it.
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Speaker 2: Well, you weren't in a pressurized cabin, were you?
21:27
Speaker 3: No, I was not. But when this woman, I had
21:30
Speaker 3: told her to shut up, and she wouldn't. I said,
21:33
Speaker 3: all right, watch this. Outwinter truck.
21:37
Speaker 2: Well, and that went, your business ended, didn't it?
21:40
Speaker 3: Well.
21:42
Speaker 2: Hey, Chris, thank you very much for your call.
21:44
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm pretty sure your son's bag is probably in
21:48
Speaker 5: another city somewhere.
21:49
Speaker 3: It's called Avalon Catalina. Yeah, that's where it is.
21:51
Speaker 5: Or it's underneath a bag terminal.
21:54
Speaker 3: No, it's floating.
21:56
Speaker 5: The Phil Henry Show is back.
21:57
Speaker 6: 1-800-449-8686.
21:58
Speaker 2: Our number is 1-800-449-8686.
21:58
Speaker 5: With me is Art Griego.
22:04
Speaker 1: He is a former pilot, a charter pilot, speaking about
22:09
Speaker 1: being a commercial pilot and what it might be like
22:13
Speaker 1: having to deal with the multitude of things that commercial
22:16
Speaker 1: pilots have to deal with, from air traffic to the
22:18
Speaker 1: possibility of making sure, you know, mechanical breakdown, making sure
22:22
Speaker 1: the plane is mechanically sound. And you are saying, among
22:26
Speaker 1: other things, Art, that baggage is a courtesy. Baggage transport
22:30
Speaker 1: is a courtesy. It is not the primary concern of
22:33
Speaker 1: the pilot or the airline. and that when I was
22:35
Speaker 1: talking about my son's bag being lost, it was very likely,
22:38
Speaker 1: you said.
22:38
Speaker 3: Phil, I didn't say it was likely.
22:40
Speaker 2: All right, you said it was a possibility.
22:42
Speaker 3: It's a possibility, yes.
22:44
Speaker 1: You said it was a possibility that if the plane
22:47
Speaker 1: doesn't feel right, if the weight of the plane doesn't
22:48
Speaker 1: feel right to the pilot, especially on one of these
22:50
Speaker 1: little puddle-jump prop jobs, he'll take bags and start throwing
22:54
Speaker 1: them out of the aircraft.
22:56
Speaker 2: Just anywhere?
22:58
Speaker 3: I'm sorry?
22:59
Speaker 2: Is he just throwing them out anywhere?
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Speaker 3: Well, certainly safety is uppermost in any pilot's mind, but...
23:05
Speaker 3: If you are talking about dealing with a passenger who
23:08
Speaker 3: has pushed their luck, you could tell, Phil, there's an
23:14
Speaker 3: old saying, you can always tell who the, if you'll
23:18
Speaker 3: pardon me, the a-hole in the room is. And as
23:21
Speaker 3: a pilot, you always know which one of the passengers
23:25
Speaker 3: is the, you know, figurative a-hole in the room. You
23:28
Speaker 3: know which one is it. And you keep an eye
23:30
Speaker 3: on them, and if the flight attendant or somebody says
23:32
Speaker 3: to you, yep, you got it, person in seat 2C,
23:38
Speaker 3: and you nod your head, you get up, you excuse yourself,
23:41
Speaker 3: you go back to where the luggage is, and you
23:44
Speaker 3: start throwing things off the plane, anything with his name
23:47
Speaker 3: on it. And for me, I am just.
23:53
Speaker 1: But you just heard a pilot say that that is
23:55
Speaker 1: not the case anymore.
23:57
Speaker 2: Now?
23:58
Speaker 3: Well, he says that because I'm sure a lot of
24:01
Speaker 3: pilots got caught doing it, but I don't doubt. And
24:04
Speaker 3: I'll tell you right now, there's not a doubt in
24:07
Speaker 3: my mind that your son's bag, if it's on dry land,
24:11
Speaker 3: it's on a beach, then it's not on the mainland
24:13
Speaker 3: of the United States.
24:17
Speaker 2: All right. Well, my son was just coming down from.
24:19
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you drop it in that Catalina Channel, it'll
24:22
Speaker 3: be adrift. And it'll take a couple of days, but
24:25
Speaker 3: it can get out to the Channel Islands. It'll get
24:27
Speaker 3: out to Catalina. It might even get as far, you know,
24:30
Speaker 3: it can get to some of the lower islands off
24:33
Speaker 3: of South America. But that's, I'm just.
24:37
Speaker 2: Well, all right, I don't know what the case is.
24:39
Speaker 2: All I know is we don't have the.
24:41
Speaker 3: The Galapagos Islands, you know, I'm not saying it'll get
24:43
Speaker 3: there in two days, but they found bags.
24:46
Speaker 5: Why?
24:47
Speaker 3: Why do they find luggage on the Galapagos Islands... That says,
24:52
Speaker 3: from Burbank to Phoenix.
24:55
Speaker 6: Why?
24:56
Speaker 3: Because a pilot couldn't stand it any longer.
24:58
Speaker 1: All right, I'm going to.
25:07
Speaker 2: 1-800-449-8686. 1-800-449-8686 is the number here. Jim, hi, you're on
25:09
Speaker 2: the Phil Hendry Show. Go ahead.
25:10
Speaker 6: I got to say, this guy is full of it, man.
25:15
Speaker 6: If a pilot.
25:16
Speaker 3: Are you a pilot, sir? I'm just.
25:19
Speaker 6: I've had flight training, and I come from a family
25:21
Speaker 6: of pilots and airline personnel.
25:24
Speaker 3: Well, I'm talking about when I was flying, the safety
25:29
Speaker 3: of that aircraft was the primary concern.
25:33
Speaker 6: And see, that's where you're contradicting yourself.
25:35
Speaker 3: And not getting someone's steamer trunk full of Rudy Valli...
25:41
Speaker 3: Full of Rudy Valley records or whatever it is that they're... Well,
25:44
Speaker 3: you don't know what they're carrying in there yet.
25:45
Speaker 6: Exactly. But exactly, first of all, the safety of that aircraft,
25:50
Speaker 6: you're supposed to make sure that that luggage is okay
25:53
Speaker 6: on flight. And in flight, if you decide that that
25:55
Speaker 6: luggage has now compromised the safety of that airplane, you're
26:00
Speaker 6: telling me that the most experienced pilot on board, which
26:03
Speaker 6: is you, is going to go into the luggage compartment,
26:06
Speaker 6: sift through to the luggage of the passenger, which you disliked,
26:10
Speaker 6: then open up the cargo bay and throw that out?
26:13
Speaker 6: You're compromising the aircraft, yourself, and the safety of your passengers.
26:17
Speaker 6: Don't tell me that's.
26:18
Speaker 3: For the safety. If the plane doesn't feel right in
26:22
Speaker 3: terms of weight, if we have some kind of an emergency,
26:25
Speaker 3: which necessitates us not only getting rid of fuel, but
26:32
Speaker 3: we want to be as light as we possibly can,
26:34
Speaker 3: you better believe I'm going to start throwing bags out
26:36
Speaker 3: the window. If you talk to anybody who is an
26:39
Speaker 3: experienced pilot.
26:40
Speaker 2: Well, wait a minute. You're not saying that, though. You're
26:42
Speaker 2: simply saying, oh, the plane doesn't feel right.
26:46
Speaker 3: Look.
26:47
Speaker 6: Logically, you're going to look for that specific passenger's luggage
26:50
Speaker 6: instead of the luggage that's closest to the door?
26:52
Speaker 3: I'm going to look.
26:53
Speaker 6: You're actually going to move luggage out of the way
26:55
Speaker 6: to throw a different piece of luggage out? That's preposterous.
26:58
Speaker 3: Why is that preposterous? If you think about it, it
27:00
Speaker 3: makes sense. Number one, it's a passenger that's been giving
27:03
Speaker 3: you trouble. Number two, the plane's in danger.
27:05
Speaker 6: That shouldn't make any difference.
27:07
Speaker 3: Why wouldn't it make... No, you're right. It doesn't make
27:09
Speaker 3: any difference.
27:10
Speaker 2: Exactly.
27:10
Speaker 3: If I need to throw luggage out to get the
27:12
Speaker 3: plane feeling right, why not throw out the luggage of.
27:15
Speaker 6: Someone that's been... Why not send your flight attendant back?
27:16
Speaker 3: Pissing me off?
27:17
Speaker 6: Or your co-pilot.
27:18
Speaker 3: Why not? Well, look.
27:20
Speaker 6: Wouldn't you be the most experienced pilot? Isn't the captain
27:23
Speaker 6: the most experienced pilot on board?
27:24
Speaker 3: Son, I have a degree from Embry-Riddle. All right, I've
27:28
Speaker 3: been flying a long time. Now, I'm not trying to
27:30
Speaker 3: condescend to you, but I can tell you.
27:32
Speaker 6: But that doesn't mean you're right.
27:33
Speaker 3: No, but it does mean that in an... Look, you
27:36
Speaker 3: can go by the book... Or you can do....
27:41
Speaker 2: This guy's making a good point here, though.
27:43
Speaker 1: If the plane needs to jettison weight for whatever reason,
27:46
Speaker 1: you're picking through the bags of everyone to.
27:52
Speaker 2: Find the bag of somebody that pissed you off?
27:55
Speaker 3: Well, you know what, Phil? You can laugh, but you
27:57
Speaker 3: try being up there.
27:58
Speaker 6: Well, another thing. You said if you were ever in
28:00
Speaker 6: commercial airspace, you should know that scuba tanks aren't allowed
28:03
Speaker 6: up there because it's a pressurized cargo.
28:05
Speaker 3: No, no, it's not. No, you don't. It's not full
28:07
Speaker 3: of oxygen. Well, it's not all oxygen.
28:09
Speaker 6: It's oxygen, nitrogen.
28:11
Speaker 3: No, you have to have those tanks empty before you
28:13
Speaker 3: can transport them, okay? That's why most people rent their equipment,
28:15
Speaker 3: but some people do travel with their equipment. And also
28:18
Speaker 3: snorkel gear. But I'm talking about the weight of those tanks.
28:23
Speaker 3: And I'm trying to get an aircraft off the ground.
28:26
Speaker 3: And you know as well as I do, you're a
28:29
Speaker 3: student pilot, did you say, Jim, or you're flying, right?
28:31
Speaker 4: Yes.
28:32
Speaker 3: Okay. You know as well as I do, we have
28:33
Speaker 3: no idea why planes fly, really.
28:35
Speaker 6: You mean like lift and drag coefficients?
28:37
Speaker 3: Well, those are nice words, but you and I are
28:39
Speaker 3: both up there flying that thing, scared to death.
28:42
Speaker 1: What do you mean, scared to death?
28:46
Speaker 6: Actually, when you're flying, it seems like the plane's not
28:48
Speaker 6: even moving unless you're landing or taking off. Or unless
28:53
Speaker 6: you're caught in bad weather. I mean, all those things.
28:56
Speaker 3: Are you talking about using autopilot? I don't use autopilot.
28:59
Speaker 3: That's just my thing. I think it's for pussies, but....
29:04
Speaker 4: Oh, boy.
29:05
Speaker 2: What do you mean for pussies?
29:07
Speaker 3: Well, a lot of the commercial guys will just flick
29:10
Speaker 3: a switch and take a nap for eight hours. Next
29:11
Speaker 3: thing you know, they're in New York. That's not my thing. No, no.
29:18
Speaker 2: Well, wait a minute.
29:20
Speaker 1: If you're flying some of these big, big jets and
29:23
Speaker 1: you've got a couple of guys up there, And, you know,
29:27
Speaker 1: one of them's taking a dinner break.
29:28
Speaker 2: Why not put it on autopilot? There's a computer navigating it. Right, Jim?
29:32
Speaker 3: What do you mean, right, Jim?
29:33
Speaker 6: Exactly. It's just nursing. It's to help the pilot. Everything
29:38
Speaker 6: in there is to help and assist the pilot. It's
29:40
Speaker 6: not just to make it easier because they're lazy.
29:42
Speaker 3: Right, no.
29:43
Speaker 6: They can concentrate on navigation, check weather patterns, make sure
29:47
Speaker 6: they're not flying into anything they shouldn't be. They can
29:50
Speaker 6: concentrate on if the weight of their plane is correct
29:53
Speaker 6: for what they're doing. Do they have the right amount
29:55
Speaker 6: of fuel?
29:56
Speaker 3: And if it's not, guess what? an experienced pilot will
30:00
Speaker 3: go below and start throwing things out.
30:01
Speaker 6: No, they won't. They'll send someone else to do it.
30:03
Speaker 3: And guess what else they'll do? They'll start throwing the
30:05
Speaker 3: things out at some guy that tightened their jaws.
30:09
Speaker 6: No, they won't. And another thing, if you are responsible
30:12
Speaker 6: for your crew and your passengers, before you take off,
30:15
Speaker 6: if you feel that someone on that plane should not
30:18
Speaker 6: be on that plane, you have the right and the
30:20
Speaker 6: privilege to take them off.
30:21
Speaker 3: I had this gal on my plane. She's a famous actress.
30:24
Speaker 3: I don't want to mention her name, but Uh, I
30:26
Speaker 3: didn't know. Everyone said she, you know, she's a big name,
30:28
Speaker 3: and she was. So she gets on the plane, and
30:31
Speaker 3: I had my eye on her. She hadn't said anything yet.
30:32
Speaker 3: She's got this steamer trunk that looks like something straight
30:35
Speaker 3: out of one of these jungle....
30:38
Speaker 6: And you let it on. You were negligent for letting
30:40
Speaker 6: it on.
30:40
Speaker 2: We lost the connection. You there?
30:42
Speaker 3: I'm right here, Phil.
30:42
Speaker 2: What were you saying?
30:44
Speaker 3: I said she's got a steamer trunk that looked like
30:45
Speaker 3: it was right out of these jungle movies. And so,
30:49
Speaker 3: you know, it's fine. We can carry it.
30:50
Speaker 1: You know, who was the gal that died on the
30:52
Speaker 1: plane from the Bahamas?
30:54
Speaker 2: She was a famous singer. Aaliyah? Aaliyah. And the plane
30:58
Speaker 2: was too heavy.
30:59
Speaker 6: There was a pilot there.
31:00
Speaker 3: There you go. Bingo.
31:02
Speaker 6: The pilot is responsible for making sure that the cargo
31:05
Speaker 6: is safe.
31:05
Speaker 3: Now, what he should have done, if you want my opinion,
31:07
Speaker 3: I'm joking, of course, but I'll tell you what, the
31:09
Speaker 3: plane would have landed safely. They should have taken her
31:12
Speaker 3: and thrown her off. Because I'll bet you anything, she
31:14
Speaker 3: was carrying 90 pounds of crap.
31:18
Speaker 6: All right. Thank you for that conversation, guys. I don't
31:21
Speaker 6: want to.
31:22
Speaker 2: Thank you very much. That's all right. I think that you're... Well, no,
31:25
Speaker 2: I just.
31:26
Speaker 3: I remember this woman, and she came out with a
31:27
Speaker 3: steamer trunk. It was right out of a Tarzan movie.
31:30
Speaker 3: It had all the big stickers. And I said, you know,
31:33
Speaker 3: that's it. And I went back to the tail of
31:38
Speaker 3: the plane. I opened up the hatch.
31:40
Speaker 2: What do you mean you opened up the hatch? What
31:42
Speaker 2: is it?
31:42
Speaker 3: It's like a door. It just opens up. And you
31:45
Speaker 3: open it up and you hear a lot.
31:46
Speaker 6: Of wind blowing through it.
31:50
Speaker 2: Uh-huh.
31:52
Speaker 3: And I just leaned against the far side of the
31:55
Speaker 3: plane and sort of positioned my arms against it and
31:59
Speaker 3: kicked the truck out. Boy, you guys, for laughing at me,
32:04
Speaker 3: you should burn forever.
32:08
Speaker 2: Sorry. Well, again, Mr.
32:11
Speaker 1: Griego, it was not my intention to laugh, but the
32:15
Speaker 1: things you're saying, just.
32:18
Speaker 2: Well, Phil, I can.
32:19
Speaker 3: Tell you that from years of experience when you're flying
32:21
Speaker 3: an aircraft and you are attempting to fly that aircraft safely,
32:26
Speaker 3: and you... Luggage is the last thing on your mind.
32:32
Speaker 3: The last worry you've got is whether someone's going to
32:34
Speaker 3: get their bag or their carry-on or their... their backpack
32:39
Speaker 3: to wherever they're going. I want to make sure the
32:41
Speaker 3: plane gets there. And when it does get there, I
32:43
Speaker 3: want to make sure there's both wings are on it. The,
32:46
Speaker 3: you know, the, what do you call the, what do
32:51
Speaker 3: you call the wheels?
32:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, the wheels.
32:54
Speaker 3: You know, the things you're... All right, I spaced for
32:56
Speaker 3: a minute. The wheels come down, all of that.
32:58
Speaker 2: Well, you know, you flew a long time ago.
33:01
Speaker 3: It is, what is true then is true today. Generally,
33:04
Speaker 3: the last I checked, gravity still exists. It did then,
33:07
Speaker 3: it does now. Planes crashed then, they crash now. And
33:11
Speaker 3: most of the time, planes crash because a passenger decided
33:16
Speaker 3: that they want to haul all of their camping equipment
33:19
Speaker 3: and they want to bring on all the books they
33:21
Speaker 3: bought and all the stuff they got at Disneyland. I'm
33:23
Speaker 3: glad for Disneyland. I'm glad they made the sale. I'm
33:26
Speaker 3: glad Disneyland is a few billion dollars richer. Meanwhile, you
33:31
Speaker 3: know that flaming thing in the sky? That's not Tinkerbell.
33:37
Speaker 3: That's my plane.
33:44
Speaker 2: Well, I.
33:46
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I.
33:46
Speaker 2: All right, hold on for a minute. I'm going to
33:48
Speaker 2: get Hal. Go ahead.
33:50
Speaker 3: Phil, this is Hal Level here. How are you doing, son?
33:52
Speaker 2: I'm doing great.
33:53
Speaker 3: Look, this gentleman's... Mr. Griego, is it?
33:58
Speaker 2: Go ahead, Art.
33:59
Speaker 3: Yes, it's Art Griego. Yeah, Art, this is Hal Level here.
34:01
Speaker 3: I let her out of the El Monte and sometimes
34:04
Speaker 3: Van Eyre. Yes, sir. I couldn't agree with you more.
34:07
Speaker 3: I understand about the weight problems. My wife is here....
34:11
Speaker 4: Yes, this is Viola Level here, Mr.
34:14
Speaker 3: Griego. My husband, I think, is wrong.
34:17
Speaker 6: Could you settle a bet?
34:19
Speaker 3: The bet is that what you're saying is not true. Well, no, madam,
34:24
Speaker 3: I can tell you it's true. I can tell you
34:26
Speaker 3: that there are a number of issues involved in making
34:29
Speaker 3: sure that a plane flies properly, and one of them
34:32
Speaker 3: is the wait situation. Well, I can.
34:35
Speaker 1: Hal and Viola, can you hold on for a minute
34:38
Speaker 1: while we get you settled, because you're... Your phone is a.
34:41
Speaker 2: Little loud, and whatever you're writing is a little loud.
34:43
Speaker 2: Let's go to Rich. Rich, you're on the Phil Henry Show.
34:45
Speaker 2: Go ahead, sir.
34:47
Speaker 4: Yeah, hi, Phil.
34:48
Speaker 3: Yes, sir.
34:48
Speaker 4: I just wanted to get in on this. I've been
34:51
Speaker 4: hearing your guests talk, and I just can't take it anymore.
34:55
Speaker 4: I'm a commercial airline pilot for a major airline for
34:58
Speaker 4: over 20 years now.
34:59
Speaker 3: What airline, sir? United. United? Yeah. That tells me a
35:06
Speaker 3: lot right there.
35:07
Speaker 2: Well, what does that mean?
35:08
Speaker 4: This guy you're talking to here, he doesn't know what
35:12
Speaker 4: he's talking about. I think he's full of it.
35:15
Speaker 3: Sir, wait a minute. How long have you been flying?
35:18
Speaker 4: Over 20 years.
35:19
Speaker 3: Well, I flew for 30 years, 1957 to 1987.
35:24
Speaker 4: And who do you fly for?
35:25
Speaker 3: Well, no, I flew a charter service. But I knew
35:28
Speaker 3: a lot of guys that were commercial pilots, Pan Am, TWA,
35:32
Speaker 3: you know, Western Airlines, a lot of the old carriers.
35:34
Speaker 4: And what kind of an airplane are you throwing out
35:37
Speaker 4: this luggage?
35:38
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean, these guys were flying 707s back
35:41
Speaker 3: in the day.
35:41
Speaker 4: No, what are you flying when you throw out the
35:44
Speaker 4: luggage of this airplane?
35:46
Speaker 3: Oh, the little carrier, I had just a Cessna.
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Speaker 4: And is it pressurized?
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Speaker 3: No, no, it's just a turboprop. Not a turboprop, just
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Speaker 3: a prop, you know. And so we don't get high enough.
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Speaker 3: I can take it. In fact, I flew for an
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Speaker 3: airline for a while down in Florida. It was one
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Speaker 3: of these vintage airways. and they flew the old DC,
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Speaker 3: not a DC-3, I forget, but it was the kind
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Speaker 3: of airplane where you had to get the passengers up
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Speaker 3: to the front so that the tail end could get
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Speaker 3: off the ground. You know what I'm talking about?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, but, you know, you're giving everybody the wrong idea
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Speaker 4: out there because a commercial airline pilot of a major
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Speaker 4: airline does not do things like that.
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Speaker 3: Wait a minute.
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Speaker 4: He doesn't go back in the baggage. He doesn't have anything.
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Speaker 3: To do with the luggage. But you do.
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Speaker 4: We don't ever go in the baggage compartment, and we
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Speaker 4: don't ever go out of the cockpit in flight.
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Speaker 3: What if you feel like you need to get the
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Speaker 3: plane lighter, and the only way to do it is
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Speaker 3: to dump luggage, and you remember a.
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Speaker 4: Guy that gave you a hard time? You cannot do
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Speaker 4: that in a pressurized airplane without be pressurizing the airplane.
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Speaker 2: Rich, hold on.
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Speaker 1: Rich, you hold on, and Mr. Griego, you hold on,
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Speaker 1: and Helen Viola, you hold on. We'll be right back here.
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Speaker 1: On the Phil Hendry Show.
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Speaker 3: What do you want me to hold?
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Speaker 2: Just hold on while I... Okay, Rich, sorry. Go ahead, man.
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Speaker 2: You're back on the air, Rich.
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Speaker 4: Anyway, I just wanted to say that this guy is
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Speaker 4: giving airline pilots a bad name if he's telling people
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Speaker 4: that the airline pilot is going to go back and
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Speaker 4: take off the luggage of the person he doesn't like.
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Speaker 4: You're telling me you've never wanted to do that?
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Speaker 6: I do it every day.
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