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What happens when DEMONS go #viral? From #zozo to #Annabelle … how hashtags can create egregores · Paranormal Lens - A Crossroads Of Curiosities, LLC Production

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  I want to start off this podcast reading you
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  guys a tweet from October 19th, 2014. That was
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  over a decade ago. But in it, Zaky Zak Bagans
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  tweeted out, Zozo trending. Creepy. That was
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  his very articulate way of stating that yes,
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  he did in fact cause a demon by the name of Zozo
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  to start trending. On Twitter. So lean in close
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  everyone. I want everyone to. To come in and
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  hear. The question I'm about to ask. This is
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  some serious shit. What happens. Seriously what
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  happens. When a demon. Or a paranormal entity.
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  Goes viral. On social media. We're seeing it
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  now. With Annabelle. No Brianna. You backed away.
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  I'm not finished with you yet. There you go.
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  What happens when these entities go viral? We
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  saw it with Zozo in 2014. Now we're seeing it
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  with Annabelle on TikTok and all the hysteria
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  and the fear around Annabelle. What happens when
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  these entities do go viral? That is a great question.
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  I think we can spend an hour discussing it, which
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  is good because we're about to spend an hour.
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  I mean, you say that, I mean... We could definitely
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  talk about this for so long. So long. 45 minutes,
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  maybe. 50 minutes. Three hours, even. Yeah. Imagine
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  a three -hour podcast. Ten different parts. That
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  would be actually insane. And nobody would listen
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  to a three -hour -long podcast. Honestly, I might.
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  I just listen to a... um two hour and 45 minute
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  podcast okay i'm stand corrected i'm not a person
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  who listens to a lot of podcasts so welcome to
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  our podcast where we take deep dives looking
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  at various topics through a paranormal lens so
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  we need to start uh in talking about this topic
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  i think we can kind of divide it into two sections
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  first the zozo then the annabelle and then kind
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  of open up the floor to anything else because
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  those are the two main things that come to mind
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  yeah yeah every decade now is there going to
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  be a new viral demon like you know like in the
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  2010 things didn't really go viral like that
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  you know 2000s so now with social media how it
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  is now is there going to be every decade a new
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  generation defining demon that goes who knows
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  but yeah um starting with zozo do we believe
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  in zozo because my stance has always been that
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  zozo is one of these like even before it was
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  trending on twitter it was always kind of like
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  a meme and like creepypasta sort of stuff i think
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  the more that people hear about zozo they subconsciously
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  interact with what they are then perceiving and
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  you know there's they're not actually i don't
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  believe zozo is a real demon i'll just say it
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  like that i think people are just subconscious
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  bias and they hear all the hysteria and then
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  the ouija board is gonna move to zozo because
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  they know it's a thing yeah you guys believe
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  in zozo no not really i mean i believe that zozo
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  could be I don't know what Zozo could be. It's
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  just a phenomenon that happens when using a Ouija
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  board, but I would not say that it is an actual
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  entity or demon that people are talking to that's
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  this all -powerful demon. Because isn't it common
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  for... One of the common things that happen when
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  people use Ouija boards is it going back and
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  forth on the board between two different... letters
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  it's pretty common with people i feel like yeah
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  zozo is one of them and i guess they decided
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  to make zio zio into a quote demon right i mean
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  yeah that's zozo never used to be a thing in
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  terms of a known entity once i think it was like
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  2009 2010 A couple blog posts, some books were
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  written about what has since been dubbed the
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  world's most famous demon. The world's scariest
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  demon. It's been known as the Ouija board entity.
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  Which we've used spirit boards, not frequently,
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  but we have a decent amount of times. Zozo's
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  never come. come through it's not like it's the
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  only thing you talk to on spirit boards but it
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  is this well -known entity that every time it's
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  mentioned it's mentioned with fear and mentioned
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  as a demon as a fact stated this is a demon that's
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  coming through and every story i mean some of
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  the stories if you look up zozo are insane yeah
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  wild i mean i remember even watching the ghost
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  adventures episode on zozo but at the time it
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  just it i think i only watched it once and it
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  was just so It was a weird episode, and I'm like...
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  Kind of a cringy one, because it was so cringy.
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  I'm like, what is going on here? Because wasn't
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  it at, like, a regular person's house? Yeah,
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  it was a regular person's house who was repetitively
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  having... It was a guy that discovered, quote
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  -unquote, discovered Zozo. And so, I don't know,
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  it was so random and just so different than all
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  of the other episodes. I'm like, what is this?
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  And... i don't it's the the whole time like that
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  that full episode it just felt all so staged
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  to me like ghost adventures like here and there
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  will have that feeling a lot of the times not
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  but that episode particularly felt so staged
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  and so fake to me i'm like I don't like it. I
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  only ever watched it the one time because there
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  was a point in time I did watch Ghost Adventures
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  a lot just because that was what was available
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  to me. And that was the one episode I always
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  skipped because I'm like, this is so lame. I
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  don't know. But it's not lame to other people.
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  No, I know it's not. Because what's very real
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  is that... Very real to some people, yeah. Zozo
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  cases. there may have been like one or two you
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  know because when you have a set amount of i
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  mean this is obvious but there's 26 letters in
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  the alphabet and those are the same letters on
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  the ouija board so you're going to get a combination
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  of letters when you use it so there have been
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  zozo interactions in the past gibberish comes
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  up all the time using spirit boards uh -huh um
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  so not denying that people haven't in the past
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  encountered that combination of letters but since
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  uh the initial story in 2009 2010 came out about
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  zozo and then amplified even more when ghost
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  adventures is their episode there are more cases
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  of zozo uh interactions let's just say since
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  2014 in the past decade and there have been in
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  the past century is that a coincidence i I wouldn't
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  think so. Just because when you start talking
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  about something, like it going viral, suddenly
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  it creates a frame of mind in everyone that,
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  oh, this is something that I'm going to encounter.
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  This is something that could happen. And by thinking
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  it, a lot of the times that... Does end up making
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  it happen. I don't know if I'm saying it correctly.
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  It's an egregore situation. Type of thing maybe.
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  That was my counter argument. That was my counter
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  argument. But I don't know. It's just. Something
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  like. If you. Go into a Ouija board session.
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  And you're like. I could encounter Zozo. Whether
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  or not you believe in Ouija boards. Or not. The
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  fact that. The rainbow effect. of like a letter
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  to letter on a Ouija board is like the most common
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  thing to happen it kind of gives you hindsight
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  bias that's what's going to happen and whether
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  you subconsciously realize it or not like your
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  subconscious does play a big factor in using
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  a Ouija board so if you go into it thinking about
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  Zozo like Your brain is automatically, for some
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  reason, going to move, possibly move that planchette
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  from Zio to Zio, back and forth, back and forth.
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  I mean, that's the thing, though, because here,
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  like, we have a Ouija board. Sorry, I was just
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  trying, my microphone has this big, have you
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  been using my microphone, Angela? It has big
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  blonde hair on it. Maybe? Interesting. I mean,
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  we could probably talk about Ouija boards forever.
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  In a whole separate, yeah. It's just interesting
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  because... Who the hell is that? I'm sorry, it
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  was... It's my dad in the background. Did he
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  say, like, who the hell is that? Yeah. Zozo is
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  a Ouija board demon. If Zozo... Even if Zozo
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  never existed... as an entity until all the media
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  attention does zozo exist now because of the
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  amount of people that have very real to them
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  experiences with zozo as an egregore type of
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  situation and an egregore for everyone listening
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  that's like what the hell is this guy talking
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  about I mean, just a quick definition by Mark
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  Stavish, who literally wrote the book on egregores.
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  He says that egregores are, quote, autonomous
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  psychic entities created by a collective group
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  mind sustained by belief. Essentially, it's like
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  a thought entity, a bunch of people believing
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  something in this case. That makes it real. Yep.
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  Makes it real. What are your thoughts? Could
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  Zozo be an egregore? I think it's possible it
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  could be now, but I guess I actually don't know
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  enough about Zozo to actually know. Here's another
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  thought. No, go ahead. Another thought that could
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  be very far -fetched and out there, but could
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  Zozo, could this be of an entity or of a demon,
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  whatever you want to call it, picking up the
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  name of Zozo? So it wasn't Zozo, but it is Zozo
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  now. It identifies as Zozo. So when it comes
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  through, it just uses Zozo. I don't know. I think
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  anything is possible. It's just too hard to tell
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  with Zozo specifically. We're going to move on
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  from Zozo in a minute here, but I think it's
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  just too hard when you have an entity that only
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  shows itself through spirit boards, which are
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  just... pretty unreliable as they are. It's like
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  Brianna said at the top of this, most interactions
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  you have on a spirit board are going to be fueled
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  by subconscious bias. Yeah. There's the, what
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  is it? Idiomoder? I can't remember the word.
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  We tried recording a podcast about Ouija boards
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  a long time ago, and we couldn't pronounce this
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  word. I don't remember it. Essentially, you're
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  moving it without knowing you're moving it. I'll
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  just put a clip in right now of us trying to
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  describe this. There's the theory that Ouija
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  boards aren't actually communicating with spirits,
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  and it's more based psychologically. And that
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  we ourselves, using the planchette, are preemptively
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  creating words or responses to our questions.
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  All in our subconscious mind. Exactly. Your subconscious
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  mind. Answering the questions. Anyways. Now that
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  you're all... But hey, so going back to Agregors.
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  kind of brings us into the next one that we wanted
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  to talk about which is annabelle yeah because
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  i've always thought that annabelle if it is haunted
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  it's because it is now an egregore and that's
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  something you can see beyond just the constraints
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  of you know ouija board spelling out two letters
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  you know so uh we've seen a lot lately With Annabelle.
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  So much lately. Too much lately. Too much lately,
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  unfortunately. If one more person sends me...
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  Love you all, right? Not complaining. But if
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  one more person sends me anything about Matt
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  Reif... Or asks us what we think of Matt Reif...
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  Well, let's answer right now. I don't know anything
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  about this guy. Lucky you. Let's answer right
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  now. How do we feel? about Matt Rife owning Annabelle.
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  Good for him. Good for him. I'm very happy for
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  him. I honestly could not care less. I think
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  it's the best thing that has happened in Annabelle
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  lore lately, and here's why. I firmly believe
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  that Annabelle was never haunted. The whole story
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  is over -exaggerated and full of falsehoods,
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  as most Warren cases tend to be once they get
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  involved. The only paranormal incident to have
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  ever occurred with Annabelle after the Warrens
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  got their hands on the doll was someone tapped
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  the glass on her display and they got in a motorcycle
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  crash. Did they die? Yeah, in a motorcycle crash.
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  Yes. Like later, like later in the day. Nothing
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  to do with Annabelle. And then the Warrens, because
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  they're, you know, they have their... We could
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  literally do a full episode about the Warrens
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  because there's a lot to them. We probably will.
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  Especially with the new movie coming out soon.
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  Yes. They were great marketers and business people,
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  so they hopped on this person's death and exploited
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  it and turned Annabelle into a famous haunted
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  doll. Ed Warren never even believed the doll
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  was haunted. Or had an entity attached to it.
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  Everything that's gone on with the tour is all
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  just media blitz and shenanigans. Not being able
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  to touch the doll, having to wear oven mitts
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  and pray every time you take it out. That's all
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  just fear mongering and making people scared
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  of this doll. When all the rumors started that
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  didn't get dispelled about Annabelle. escaping
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  a city she never even went to. No, she did go
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  to it. Nope. Oh, okay. There were rumors that
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  she like escaped some city and that she was in
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  some city and none of that was true. She had
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  like three tour dates and suddenly you go on
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  TikTok and she's everywhere all at once. We went
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  to a antique store and there was a raggedy and
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  down. People were running out scared thinking
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  it was Annabelle and random Michigan town. That
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  was really funny. It was. But anyways, my point
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  being having to have holy water and have this
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  whole ritual just take out the doll, it's all
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  just so people can take photos of it and spread
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  fear surrounding this doll. Yeah. And with that,
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  with the fear and everything that's perpetuated
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  around Annabelle and has been for so long, for
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  so many years since the Warrens started it, it
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  has turned into... potentially something more
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  whether we know that's true or not but that's
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  my belief i think i think uh people yeah now
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  that annabelle's out on this tour people are
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  having legitimate experiences with her that they
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  never had before and it's all because of this
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  fear everywhere it goes fear fear fear all those
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  people scared of annabelle people are scared
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  to even watch a new country movie yeah did you
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  see how There's like an actual priest that's
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  like blessing people before watching it was holy
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  water. No. With a screening or something. I don't
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  know. Something like that. Which is insane. That's
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  fear factor right there. That's the way to scare
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  people. Uh -huh. You see, we post anything on
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  TikTok now. And I post like a picture of a Raggedy
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  Ann doll. like a random one like I think it was
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  like and they say sorry no but yeah yeah yeah
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  but like what's the other Andy raggedy Andy it
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  was a raggedy Andy so it wasn't even like oh
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  okay from like the movie or anything like yeah
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  there's no Andy in the conjuring universe but
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  yeah all people do is comment sorry sorry sorry
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  exactly yeah like sorry for looking in your eyes
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  all these people are so scared this isn't the
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  real doll it's okay It's okay. His name is Andy.
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  Andy's not haunted. Andy's not haunted. We love
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  Andy. We all like Andy. Andy, if you're out there,
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  thank you. Let's have an Andy on our podcast.
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  Can we have an Andy? We need to find an Andy.
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  We need to find an Andy. If your name is Andy,
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  let us know. Oh, my God. Our Halloween episode.
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  I don't know why I said Halloween episode. Our
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  Halloween episode of this show should be all
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  about our favorite Halloween candy that we discussed
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  with our favorite Halloween Andy. Halloween Andy.
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  Oh my gosh. Anyways, enough of the bits. Back
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  to Matt Reif. Everything we have said about Annabelle
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  being perpetuated by fear and all these... Something
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  about a flask now? I just heard a man talking
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  on a flask. We hear your father talking. I'm
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  sorry. You're good, you're good. It's always
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  something really random. Is he, like, right over
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  your shoulder? No, he's all the way out in the
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  other room. You have a good -ass microphone.
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  I guess so. Wow. Ben, you got really good microphones.
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  No wonder you keep stealing mine. Anywho. Anywho.
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  Ever since the Warrens had Annabelle, it's all
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  been fear, fear, fear. Let's throw holy water
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  on this thing. Let's not touch her. Because according
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  to the one paranormal experience that ever happened
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  around her, no one touched her. They tapped glass.
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  But still, somehow that means that you can't
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  touch the doll, otherwise you'll get possessed.
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  Because Ed Warren said he didn't believe the
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  doll was possessed. But still, you can get possessed
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  if you don't wear... oven mitts somehow let's
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  propel this fear you get my point it's all fear
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  so now a comedian owning this doll is the best
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  thing to ever fucking happen i think it is look
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  at it there's a comedian who owns annabelle maybe
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  he can put some like fun and joy into the doll
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  instead of just fear constantly exactly because
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  if If you are worried about Annabelle, the only
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  reason you are worried about Annabelle is because
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  so many people are also worried about Annabelle.
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  Yeah. And then if you think about it, this thing
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  was created by putting fear into it. The way
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  to reverse that spell, so to speak, is to put
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  laughter and good vibes into it. You can create.
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  any egregore you want you can create an egregore
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  of uh and you can create an andy egregore if
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  you just put andy vibes out in the universe i'm
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  sure andy isn't the new kirk doing it with ramen
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  yeah the new kirks they're making haunted ramen
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  yes and someone when we went to their show they
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  showed a video Of someone getting a knock within
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  their ramen container. We were all freaking out
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  about that. You can make an egregore out of anything.
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  Even freaking ramen noodles. You can put Andy
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  in your ramen noodles. And he can knock back
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  to you. Okay. If you eat egregore ramen noodles,
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  does that make you haunted? Oh my god. That's
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  so much. Because, I don't know, I eat a lot of
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  ramen noodles. Did you try talking to it? No.
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  To see if it was haunted? No, now I'm concerned.
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  Okay, so we need to do the Newkirk's experiment
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  with the ramen. Let's make our ramen haunted
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  and we're going to name it Andy. Sure. Okay.
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  Yes. And then what are we going to do with said
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  Andy Roman? He's going to be part of our little
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  mini traveling museum. Huh? Yes. So we're going
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  to take the Newkirk's bit and just make it our
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  own because we want to have a pet rock that's
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  edible. No, no. Not a rock. Ramen. Ramen, yes.
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  So we're taking the idea of a pet rock, making
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  it not only edible... Why are you saying rock?
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  The idea of a pet rock. We all had pet rocks
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  as a kid. But the thing is, these pet rocks...
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  I don't think I ever had a pet rock as a kid.
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  You never had a pet rock? No, I never had a pet
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  rock. Kids that talk to rocks as kids tend to
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  grow up to be ghost hunters. Cool. Then what
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  does that make me? I can't believe that. An anomaly.
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  Did you have an invisible friend? No. I never
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  had an invisible friend. No, I never had an invisible
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  or imaginary friend. I never had a pet rock.
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  You just went to college and it was like, now's
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  the time to start talking to the air. I mean,
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  I guess. That really did it for you, huh? I love
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  that. I mean, no, I like watched ghost, like
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  ghost hunting shows before that. That's how I
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  got to the ghost. I know. I'm just, I'm just
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  pulling your leg. It's like most people when
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  they're kids, they talk to rocks and now we're
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  like full on serious about talking to ramen.
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  Let's talk to ramen now. Yeah. No, no. You know,
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  I do have a quail named ramen. I love that. You
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  could just throw her in a crate and we can talk
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  to her. Sure. It'd be easier. It's already living.
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  that's true go for it go for it um thank you
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  new perks we're now naming our ramen andy it's
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  life -changing now now i get why people like
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  say grace and like stuff before they eat because
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  like get the wrong ramen noodles and you thank
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  god for the you know that you're about to eat
• 25:49
  this meal then you just hear no don't eat me
• 25:52
  my name is andy I have a child. What? I didn't
• 26:02
  do nothing, I swear. I'm so confused. Oh, maybe
• 26:07
  I'll stick to yakisoba instead of ramen. Hey,
• 26:10
  that stuff is good. It is. Oh, God. We started
• 26:15
  talking. Oh, my God. What were we even talking
• 26:18
  about again? This is how we get to three hours.
• 26:20
  Because we start talking about... When demons
• 26:23
  go viral on social media, and now we're talking
• 26:26
  about naming our ramen noodles Andy. Wait, where
• 26:35
  did Andy even come from? Wait. Raggedy Andy.
• 26:40
  Raggedy Andy. Okay. Oh my god. It's too much.
• 26:44
  Too much. What's the topic tonight? Good question.
• 26:50
  Angelo. Ramen noodles. Did we explain this bit
• 26:53
  or are we just going to leave it unexplained?
• 26:56
  I don't know. Did we? We might have on the last
• 26:59
  one. I don't know. Angela. Oh yeah, I think we
• 27:03
  did. Cause the last one was your literal like
• 27:05
  idea of a topic and you still didn't know. I
• 27:08
  know. Yes. The curse one. Yes. Every single day
• 27:14
  leading up to it, we were talking about it and
• 27:16
  it's like, wait, what's the topic and what's
• 27:18
  the topic. When is it? An hour before we recorded
• 27:23
  the podcast. I was like, wait, what's the topic
• 27:25
  again? It's bad. It's bad. One day. One day.
• 27:33
  Back to the topic. I think it goes two ways.
• 27:39
  I'm curious what you guys think of this. When
• 27:43
  paranormal entities go viral, because there's
• 27:47
  also... an elephant in the room that we haven't
• 27:49
  discussed yet which is a lot of these things
• 27:50
  like zozo you're never supposed to even say its
• 27:53
  name because you know a lot of people theorize
• 27:57
  that words and especially names give these entities
• 28:01
  power yes people are going to think zozo is in
• 28:04
  our apartment now because we keep saying it yes
• 28:07
  over and over so when it when something goes
• 28:10
  viral and there's millions of people saying the
• 28:14
  name of this entity is it making it stronger
• 28:17
  Is it creating something that didn't exist before
• 28:21
  as an egregore type of thought form entity? Or
• 28:24
  is it a bunch of people now scared of something
• 28:31
  they saw in a creepy video and now that it's
• 28:35
  in their subconscious because it's literally
• 28:37
  trending and unavoidable, are they now adding
• 28:41
  to the legend by experiencing something? That's,
• 28:47
  you know, subconsciously just on their mind at
• 28:51
  the time. A combination of these things? All
• 28:56
  these things? None of these things? The world
• 28:59
  may never know. I'm reminded of how many licks
• 29:05
  does it take to get to the center of it. Yeah,
• 29:07
  that's exactly what I was referencing. How many
• 29:10
  tweets does it take to get to the center of the
• 29:15
  zozo? What? What do you say? Nevermind. The Tweety
• 29:22
  Pop? Yes. Did you just say Tweety Pop? Yes. I
• 29:31
  feel like that's probably something very bad.
• 29:34
  How many tweets does it take to get to the center
• 29:35
  of the Tweety Pop? Are they still called tweets
• 29:40
  if it's X now? What are they called? I'm just
• 29:44
  gonna shut up. I don't know. I don't have...
• 29:50
  I've never had Twitter or now X or whatever it's
• 29:54
  called. I don't know. But I tried looking up
• 29:57
  Tweety Pop and all that Google because they have
• 30:00
  their AI overviews now. So stupid. They are suggesting
• 30:04
  that I meant to look up a Tweety Bird Funko Pop
• 30:08
  from Looney Tunes. So I don't think it's a thing.
• 30:13
  However, I don't like the way Tweety Pop sounds.
• 30:17
  I just need to stop distracting you guys with
• 30:21
  my nonsense. You can't! Even I'm just trying
• 30:24
  to talk normally and I'm finding your hair is
• 30:26
  all over my microphone. Sounds like a personal
• 30:29
  issue to me. But you're just like, even if I'm
• 30:32
  not talking, he will be distracted when he talks.
• 30:37
  I'm constantly distracted because I have a dog
• 30:39
  who's doing dumb shit next to me. Oh, gosh. So
• 30:46
  I completely did not actually hear anything you
• 30:49
  just said, so let's move on. Yeah. Let's move
• 30:51
  on. Let's go back to the topic. Anywho. No Tweety
• 30:55
  Pops. No Tweety Pops. No Tweety Pops. Never say
• 30:58
  it again. I want to erase this from my memory.
• 31:03
  But if you say Tweety Pops enough times. During
• 31:07
  a Ouija board session, people are going to encounter
• 31:10
  the Tweety Pops demon. Yes, Tweety Pops. Hey,
• 31:15
  we're talking about... Would it fully spell out
• 31:17
  Tweety Pops or would it just be X over and over
• 31:20
  and over and over again? I was going to say TP,
• 31:25
  but that's also like toilet paper. TP, TP, TP.
• 31:30
  Oh no, a ghost is going to TP my house. But like,
• 31:34
  this is the thing. We always choose to like...
• 31:37
  i mean anyone listening to the podcast at this
• 31:39
  point knows we're just like having fun at this
• 31:40
  point and just enjoying life and doing this and
• 31:44
  we're serious when we need to be but overall
• 31:47
  kind of light -hearted and that's kind of going
• 31:49
  into the egregore stuff you know because the
• 31:54
  way an egregore works it's all about it's kind
• 31:56
  of like manifesting in a way kind of like you
• 31:59
  put if you put all this fear into this word zozo
• 32:04
  if you put so much fear into it and you constantly
• 32:07
  constantly think about how it's a demon and it
• 32:10
  has ill intent and it's gonna harm your life
• 32:13
  you're gonna and then anything bad that happens
• 32:16
  since kind of like we were talking about curses
• 32:17
  anything bad that happens after a ouija board
• 32:19
  session you blame on zozo that gives it power
• 32:22
  that's a mindset thing but like i was trying
• 32:26
  to get at with the whole matt rife a comedian
• 32:29
  owning annabelle if this turns into a bunch of
• 32:33
  Fun TikTok videos. Hey, look at me and my new
• 32:36
  doll type of thing. And a bunch of bits and stuff.
• 32:41
  It's all about intent and mindset. If everyone
• 32:44
  loves Annabelle and has a good time with Annabelle,
• 32:48
  whatever is haunting her, be it a demon that
• 32:52
  originated back when the Warrens got her or a
• 32:55
  terrible bad egregore that's feared now, whatever
• 32:59
  is the cause. That should get reversed, right?
• 33:04
  Potentially. But also potentially not. Who knows?
• 33:08
  Who knows? But it's better to put good vibes
• 33:12
  and joy and laughter into Annabelle than it is
• 33:17
  to put fear into Annabelle. I think we can agree
• 33:20
  on that. Yeah. Yep. Because if this idea is true
• 33:24
  of a Negragor, and that Annabelle specifically
• 33:28
  is Negragor, If it's true or not, there's no
• 33:33
  point in putting fear into this doll or to contribute
• 33:39
  to the mass hysteria. It is really what it is
• 33:43
  every time an entity goes viral. Zozo, the amount
• 33:47
  of people that claim their lives were ruined
• 33:49
  because they believe they encountered Zozo and
• 33:52
  then they attribute every bad thing that happened
• 33:54
  since to Zozo. It's better just to, you know,
• 34:00
  think critically and take a step back and don't
• 34:05
  contribute to the hype and the hysteria, I'd
• 34:07
  say. Yeah. I think that is a good sentiment.
• 34:12
  Yeah. Do you guys have any final thoughts regarding
• 34:15
  viral, what happens when a demon goes viral or
• 34:19
  an entity goes viral? No, not really. Like, I
• 34:24
  think... Zozo and Annabelle are the two major
• 34:27
  big ones in the public eye, especially Annabelle
• 34:33
  right now. Yeah. I just feel like people need
• 34:37
  to learn how to just chill out and realize not
• 34:42
  everything on social media is real. If someone
• 34:46
  claims, oh, there's this new entity or demon
• 34:50
  that they encountered, that maybe they're just
• 34:52
  saying it. It's not really real, so don't just...
• 34:54
  jump to conclusions but that's a real thing too
• 34:58
  you know yeah i mean like think about it like
• 35:02
  how many years ago was slenderman a thing and
• 35:05
  that originated as like a creepypasta sort of
• 35:08
  thing and out of like out of the woodworks there
• 35:12
  was all of these people having experiences or
• 35:14
  like because of that one unfortunate case with
• 35:18
  the teenagers um And I haven't, I don't think
• 35:23
  I've heard anything about Slenderman in, like,
• 35:26
  a while. Five years. Yeah. At least. Been a hot
• 35:29
  minute. So, I don't know. Just, things come and
• 35:34
  go. And I don't think if you put the thought
• 35:37
  and energy into it, it's gonna keep being that
• 35:43
  bad or hold any power. So. Well, that's an interesting
• 35:48
  thought, too. And this is, like, potentially
• 35:49
  a tangent that. We should come back to it later
• 35:52
  because there's no way we're going to fully talk
• 35:55
  about this in the time we have left. But when
• 35:57
  it comes to, like, legends and that kind of stuff,
• 36:01
  I'm thinking about, like, Bloody Mary that you
• 36:04
  say in the mirror. Yeah. The amount of times,
• 36:07
  you know, kids say Bloody Mary. Brianna, you
• 36:11
  didn't have a pet rock or imaginary friend, but
• 36:13
  did you ever do Bloody Mary in the mirror as
• 36:14
  a kid? No. Most other kids. Angela, I almost
• 36:19
  called you Annabelle. Angela, did you? No, honestly,
• 36:23
  because I was kind of too scared to ever do it.
• 36:25
  Yeah, same. I'm like, what happened if it's real?
• 36:29
  Okay, but that's my point. So kids either, you
• 36:36
  guys both knew Bloody Mary, even if you didn't
• 36:38
  do it. Kids either do Bloody Mary as a kid. Or
• 36:44
  they're too scared to do Bloody Mary as a kid.
• 36:48
  I was too scared. Yes. Did you play Bloody Mary
• 36:51
  as a kid? I did once and nothing happened, so
• 36:53
  that's my story. Why is no one talking about
• 37:00
  the Bloody Mary egregore that's going around?
• 37:06
  It's just interesting to me, this whole talk
• 37:08
  about egregore, and I just thought of this now.
• 37:11
  So it's not a really fleshed out or full thought.
• 37:13
  Well, isn't the difference that people know that
• 37:16
  Bloody Mary is plainly just a game? They don't.
• 37:20
  You were too scared to do it. You thought Bloody
• 37:23
  Mary was real. That's so true. Yeah. Well, I'm
• 37:25
  just, yeah. How is, you know, is this like the
• 37:28
  new version of Bloody Mary? Like when we were
• 37:31
  kids. And everyone knows about Bloody Mary. Is
• 37:33
  Zozo going viral on Twitter, the new version
• 37:36
  of it? People either use the Ouija board to contact
• 37:39
  Zozo or they're too scared to do so. And kids
• 37:43
  will tell all these great tales of like, you
• 37:46
  know, Bloody Mary came to me in the mirror. I
• 37:49
  saw her and, you know, just hazing type of stuff
• 37:52
  that kids do to each other, you know. Is this
• 37:56
  like the adult version of it? And is it that
• 37:59
  we're now adults? I don't know. It's weird. Because
• 38:05
  then they say, too, that, like, poltergeists,
• 38:07
  you know, are often created from children or
• 38:11
  kids, you know, teenagers, you know, specifically
• 38:13
  during, like, puberty and that time of their
• 38:15
  life. So, do you need... When you're a kid, does
• 38:23
  it not fully... Again, I'm not phrasing this
• 38:26
  good because it's just coming to my head now,
• 38:28
  but do you need to be a teenager to then... If
• 38:31
  teenagers create poltergeists, do you need to
• 38:33
  become a teenager or an adult to then create
• 38:35
  egregores? Does it not work as a kid? Good question.
• 38:40
  That's a good question, yeah. I bet if a bunch
• 38:44
  of adults got together, this might be fun, a
• 38:46
  bunch of adults. Oh, but imagine what havoc that
• 38:50
  would cause if a bunch of adults got together
• 38:52
  and fully believed in Bloody Mary and did it
• 38:54
  and created a real Bloody Mary egregore. Then
• 38:57
  you'd have kids legitimately experiencing it
• 38:59
  every time they did it. Yeah. Imagine that. Yeah.
• 39:05
  Yeah. But. Okay. Conspiracy. Conspiracy. Can't
• 39:10
  say it. Can't say it. Conspiracy. What? Conspiracy.
• 39:16
  God. Okay. But Bloody Mary does become real.
• 39:23
  And there is an actual ghost that comes out of
• 39:26
  the mirror and, like, kills you or whatever.
• 39:30
  I feel like somehow it would be covered up, you
• 39:34
  know? By who? The men in black? You never know
• 39:42
  something. Okay, how about bringing it all home?
• 39:48
  We're talking about putting good vibes and good
• 39:51
  egregores, right? Instead of Bloody Mary, saying
• 39:55
  it five times in a mirror? I think it's just
• 39:59
  three times. Just three? Yeah, three times. Okay.
• 40:01
  But you have to spin each time. Isn't that a
• 40:05
  thing? Yeah, I think you have to... You're the
• 40:09
  only one who's played it, Ben. Yes. Well, maybe
• 40:12
  this is why nothing happened. I didn't spin.
• 40:14
  Yeah, maybe you just plainly didn't do it right.
• 40:17
  Maybe. But anyways, what if we look in a mirror,
• 40:20
  spin around three times, And say, Andy. Andy.
• 40:25
  Andy. And then we... Bloody Andy. Bloody Andy.
• 40:29
  No, just Andy. We just want Andy. Oh, just Andy.
• 40:33
  We'll finally find our Andy. Looking back at
• 40:38
  us in our reflection, because he was a part of
• 40:40
  us all along. He traveled from the ramen to the
• 40:45
  mirror. Oh, goodness gracious. I feel like in
• 40:59
  my head, there was like an amazing like full
• 41:02
  circle just ending that we did. But I feel like
• 41:05
  for everyone else, even you, Brie, you're like,
• 41:08
  no. No. It was something. What is this podcast?
• 41:14
  I don't even know. Well, we're looking at hashtags
• 41:17
  through Paranormal Lens. So we're looking at
• 41:20
  things going viral. Because we can't talk. We're
• 41:25
  not people to talk about going viral because
• 41:27
  we don't go viral. We would never go viral. I
• 41:33
  mean, we had a few videos that go viral before
• 41:36
  we deleted everything, but then we're not like
• 41:40
  a constant viral. We don't go with the trendy
• 41:43
  stuff to make us go viral. Yeah, because we're
• 41:47
  not influencers. We're filmmakers. heck yeah
• 41:51
  like real real films we're the real deal yes
• 41:56
  we make real films that actually like go in film
• 42:00
  festivals and shit we don't we're not like the
• 42:02
  instagram bio filmmaker who doesn't own a camera
• 42:06
  or editing software and has never made a film
• 42:09
  in their life there's too many of those in the
• 42:10
  paranormal field self -proclaimed filmmakers
• 42:13
  the woes of being a real filmmaker in a niche
• 42:17
  genre where everyone claims these days They are
• 42:21
  a TikToking filmmaker. Owning an iPhone and a
• 42:28
  CapCut doesn't make you a filmmaker. Yeah. I
• 42:33
  don't know. There's some pretty good clips out
• 42:36
  there that some people can make with CapCut.
• 42:39
  There are. There are. But anyways, I digress.
• 42:42
  You're a clip maker. You can make clips. You
• 42:44
  can make clips. We're not about the clips getting
• 42:47
  clicks. We're about... We're about making long
• 42:50
  -form communication and content that really speaks
• 42:56
  and tells stories. I mean, it's nice when the
• 42:58
  clips get clicks, but... Yeah. Yeah. Except when
• 43:02
  they turn... It makes me feel special, okay,
• 43:05
  Ben? Okay, but what if you feeling special creates
• 43:11
  a demon that didn't exist prior? You gotta really
• 43:17
  think about what he put on the internet. That's
• 43:19
  the only thing. If this is real, the implications
• 43:23
  here, you gotta think about what he put on the
• 43:26
  internet. Because you never know what goes viral.
• 43:30
  If there's an innocent story about, you know,
• 43:33
  same as like Dybbuk boxes. Dybbuk boxes were
• 43:37
  a hoax. Yep. Flat out lie. But now everyone believes
• 43:41
  they're real. So, is it... It's crazy that on
• 43:49
  these platforms now, you have to tell TikTok
• 43:53
  if what you're posting is AI -generated content,
• 43:56
  but you don't need to tell them if it's a hoax
• 44:00
  about a demon that could create an egregore.
• 44:05
  What's the difference between an AI -generated
• 44:08
  image that looks real or an egregore -generated
• 44:11
  demon? I don't have a response for that. I mean,
• 44:19
  I know there's a difference. I'm just saying,
• 44:20
  theoretically, there's implications here. Angela's
• 44:28
  literally yawning and everyone saw her just give
• 44:33
  the biggest yawn. She's like, what a fucking
• 44:35
  snooze fest. Did you miss my yawn like two seconds
• 44:38
  ago? You did a normal yawn. Mine was very obnoxious.
• 44:45
  Oh my god. Anyway. Like how Andy transfers from
• 44:55
  ramen to the mirror. It's contagious. I hope
• 45:01
  I catch a case of Andy. I do not want to catch
• 45:05
  a case of Andy. Thank you very much. I do. I
• 45:09
  want to experience Andy. I want to see what he's
• 45:11
  like. On that note, thank you everyone for listening
• 45:16
  to this very eye -opening snoozefest of an episode
• 45:20
  as two of my co -hosts would have already visibly
• 45:26
  and audibly expressed. I have nothing else to
• 45:31
  say about this topic. For now. For now. We'll
• 45:36
  come back to it for two more hours. Yes. So,
• 45:40
  to all the ladies, gentlemen, and Andes out there
• 45:43
  that enjoyed this, every five -star rating or
• 45:48
  positive review makes Brenda feel special and
• 45:52
  brings us one algorithm blip closer to finding
• 45:57
  our real Andy. I feel like we're adopted children.
• 46:02
  Like, our Andy isn't the real Andy. We need to
• 46:05
  find our real biological Andy. If you're out
• 46:08
  there, Andy. Andy, if you're out there, we want
• 46:13
  to find you through a paranormal lens. If I ever
• 46:16
  have a son, his name's going to be Andy. If you
• 46:20
  ever have a son, I hope I know about it. Andy,
• 46:26
  you're definitely not naming him after a ramen
• 46:30
  demon. Okay. Do you know how terrible Andy...
• 46:41
  Andy Ramen Demon Goldman sounds terrible? I think
• 46:47
  it sounds pretty good. Anyway, people... Imagine
• 46:50
  having the middle name Ramen. That would be great.
• 46:53
  What are you talking about? Oh, the initials
• 47:01
  would be A -R -G. ARG. ARG. ARG. Anyways, we're
• 47:10
  signing off. Good night! Or have a good day,
• 47:14
  ladies and Andes. I hope you enjoyed our podcast.
• 47:17
  Ladies and Andes! To all the Annabelle's and
• 47:21
  Andes out there. Please come back and listen
• 47:24
  to our next one. I promise there will be no Andes.
• 47:30
  Okay, stop talking! Let them go about their lives!
• 47:34
  Arrgh! Arrgh! Bye! Bye!