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Hawkeye talk with Eliot Clough, Dalton Wasserman from PFF on the NFL Combine & Draft & Trent's Picks presented by Circa Sports · The Lunch Rush with Trent Condon

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Hour number two, Miller and Condon, it's the Iowa Sports
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Radio Network. Trenton Ken with you for another
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50 minutes or thereabouts at the top of the two O clock.
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Hour off the bench, Sean Roberts, Lucas Strain take you
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until 5 O clock. Rocco Miller amongst their
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guests. Field of 68 will join the boys.
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Talk a little college basketball from a national perspective.
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Well, let's talk some college basketball from a local
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perspective. Elliot Clef covers Iowa for 24/7
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Sports Hawkeye, insider.com, and he's with Miller and Condon.
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Hello, Elliot Trenton, Ken. How are you, Sir?
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I'm good. How are you guys?
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Doing OK, everything going OK for the house, etcetera,
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etcetera, things moving forward in your world.
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Oh yeah, we close on Friday and boy yeah, having some friends
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help us do some initial stuff this weekend and then my my
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family's coming up so things are moving along.
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Fiance and I are are very very excited so.
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Good for you. Yeah, excited to start our lives
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together, so really, really looking forward.
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To it good stuff. Well, let's yeah, no,
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absolutely. Let's talk about last night and
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what we saw on the floor last night.
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Obviously with the exception of the the start of the game, the
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first few minutes of the game, a just dominating win by the
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Hawkeyes. Trent and I both think that this
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will be maybe remembered as and when you look back the Fulgaris
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game, if you will, he was just so damn good.
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Did everything you saw some emotion out of him when he made
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that big donkey was, you know, distributing the basketball.
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He had a handful of assists in the game. 20 points.
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What a night for Alvaro Frigars. Yeah, he was awesome.
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If you're if you're Ben McCollum, maybe you see what you
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can get past a judge to see if you can get his older brother to
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come by because he's going to play like that every time.
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His brothers in town might as well have on the roster and he's
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a pro player in Ireland for those.
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Oh, is he? I didn't know that part of it.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They grew up playing against
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each other, another tall guy, and I guess they they help each
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other develop and such. I don't know if he played any
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college ball. I'm assuming not, but yeah, that
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would be something to look into if you're bad, if other teams
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can do it, why not? But yeah, I mean, he was, he was
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awesome last night. And the other thing I'll point
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out too is about his game last night.
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Is that the thing that we recognize early on his time at
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Iowa is that takes the floor a little bit more of a stretch for
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last night, all of his points came in the paint from the free
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throw line. When Alvaro Folger is is
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aggressive and looking to attack off the dribble, that makes this
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team so much better. It takes so much press pressure
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off Bennister. I mean, Iowa 12 and one, when he
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scores in double figures like that, that's telling of the way
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he plays the game and and how impactful he can be, especially
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again, when he's looking to attack off the dribble, get to
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the rim, get to the free throw line.
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Like if you can shoot the three and and knock him down, awesome.
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But I I think he's better when he puts the ball on the floor
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and and it's an attack mode first.
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And we saw this team in attack mode throughout.
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It was a bunch of different guys.
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He had Manuel, what he was able to do in there, Bennett starts
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turning the corner and getting to the rim.
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Little bit of everything, kind of putting it on the floor,
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getting in there. It helped that Tilly was out.
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Not out there for the Buckeyes. I get that, But it's something
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that I've and talked about a lot throughout the course of the
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season. I want to see this team do it
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more. 44 points in the paint, this is not a great 3 point
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shooting team. And with Cooper Koch's
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struggles, we know Bennett Sturtz can make it out there.
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This is not a team built for three-point shooting.
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Need to get more of this more off the bounce.
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Did did they find out a little bit more and maybe this is going
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to be something more part of the game plan going forward.
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And again, it helps when they don't got a big center in the
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middle. Right.
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I mean, Ohio State did have a 71 center in there.
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Yeah. He was not very good.
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So but just just for for contact.
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But yeah, you know, I mean, 44 to 18 in the paint, Like anytime
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you do that, you're probably going to win.
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And like you mentioned, like Cooper, Cooper is a good
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shooter. He hasn't had a great year.
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I think he's missed too many shots.
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I think people also forget that he's a red shirt freshman in his
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first year under a new head coach with a completely
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different coaching philosophy, completely different schematics,
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and he's still figuring it out. He was a starter at the
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beginning of the year. He's the prototypical 6869 guy
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who can shoot and defend that that McCollum one.
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Like he might be in a shooting slump, but the thing I said last
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night is lock him in a gym and have him make 100 threes every
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day this summer and that's going to help him a lot.
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But anyway, back to your point, I I think it it's easier said
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than done. I mean, like you mentioned
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Philly being out, that definitely had something to do
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with their ability to get to the rims to attack the rim.
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And you know, we're going to learn probably quite a bit next
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week when they play Michigan as far as the ability to attack the
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rim consistently get there, get to the free throw line.
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How much are, you know, how the refs officiate that is, is
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definitely going to be something of note.
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But I it is it is a lot easier said than done getting to the
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rim and especially when you're center when you're center 69.
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He's not 611. He's not 7 feet And Alvaro, like
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he again, he was great last night getting to the rim.
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He is he's real thin man. Like if he's going to and I
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don't think he's going to get bullied right?
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Like, but at the same time, I think that it is just with the
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way this roster is constructed, it's a lot easier said than done
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to attack the rim and get get buckets with regularity.
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But if there's anybody who can steam that up consistently, it
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is Ben McCollum. It's just about execution and
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you got him. Like, you can say this team's
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not a three-point shooting team, which I agree they maybe could
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be a better three-point shooting team if they put Brendan Hoffman
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on the floor fairly regularly, which they don't.
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But but you have to make those open threes.
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Like Isaiah Howard needs to be more consistent from three.
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Kale Combs had a stretch where he was awesome, looked better
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last night. He was awesome defensive.
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Defensively. Yep, Yep, Yep.
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And it's Bennett, you know, you can trust Bennett to create
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separation and hit a three. Tavion Banks was really good
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from three for a little while. We haven't seen him shoot one of
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those in a bit. So, yeah, I if you can, if you
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can get to the basket, if you can draw a foul man, do it all
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day long. And, and that's one of those
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things I think Ben McCollum is good at is if a defense shows a
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weakness, just run the same thing and make them stop it
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right like that. I think last night was was an
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epitome of that in terms of their willingness to get after
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the the the basket, get to the basket and and finish and and
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also get to the free throw line. Yeah, you're right.
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We do forget that the coaches read your freshman.
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I forget that Tate Sages is a true freshman sometimes because
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we've seen some really good games out of him, Elliot and but
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lately, particularly in the month of February, although he
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had pretty decent game against Wisconsin, really good game
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against Wisconsin, but too few and far between.
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Is that just, you know, life as a freshman in the Big 10 when it
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comes to Tate Sage? I would say so, yeah.
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I mean, he like, like you said, he's had some really good games.
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He's had some games where he, I don't want to say disappears,
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but or say he's a non factor because I don't think either of
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those things would be true. But he's less impactful if you
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don't see it on the offensive end, you see it on the defensive
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end at least. He is a really good defender,
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especially for being a freshman. I think he uses his size, his
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blank really well and his bounce, frankly.
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Definitely an underrated athlete, but I would agree with
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that. I think that's just life in the
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big 10 as a freshman when you're not, you know, a five star
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recruit. We have to remember, guys, I
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mean, he was expecting to play a Drake this year.
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Like for him to to show up and and play the way he has already,
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like he gets a pass from me if he doesn't have the greatest
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game in the whole world, right. And I think he I don't have the
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stats in front of me, but he missed a few threes last night
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that were that were decent shots and sometimes that just
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happened. You know, like, I mean, I said
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it, Kuberkosh is a good shooter. The percentages and the way he's
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shooting the the ball right now, I don't think is indicative of
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the way he can and and more often than not does shoot the
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basketball. So I got to give Tate stage the
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benefit of the doubt. The fact that he's playing and
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has been a consistent part of the rotation this season earned
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the trust of Ben McCollum on that front.
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That is, that is a huge indicator of what he is and what
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he can be already. We'd be remiss if we didn't
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bring up Kale Cohen's a guy that has certainly gotten some arrows
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here over the last month or so, hit a three pointer, but most
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importantly, the defense that he we had on Bruce Thornton, who's
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been a thorn in the side of the Hawkeyes.
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Here that had a lot of teams. And yeah, the Hawkeyes are not
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alone on that front. I thought Kale, Combs and the
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team defense was outstanding against Thornton.
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Yeah, the way they blitz the ball screen, the way that Kale,
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I mean, there were times where Kale just didn't even let
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Thornton touch the ball, especially in the first half.
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I mean, Thornton finished O for three for 0 points and he played
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all 20 minutes in that first half.
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And what's the best way to prevent one of those scorers
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from scoring the basketball? Make sure they don't touch the
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basketball. And and that's one of the things
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that that Kale did not only in in his pick and roll coverage,
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but his off ball defense too, I think.
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I mean, I think on your show before, but for those of you who
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don't know, he's just recruited to play Division One football
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too. I mean, like he's got some
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athleticism. He was offered a scholarship
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play wide receiver in Western Michigan by Tim Lester.
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So he's got some of that athleticism and that ability to
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keep up with those guys who are the elite scorers of the Big 10.
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And you know, for as much grief as he's gotten as of late for
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his poor offensive play, man, he's an asset defensively.
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And you know, I don't I'm not looking at Kale and expecting
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him to be, you know, the next Trevor or the Hudgens who who
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McCollum had at at Northwest and won some titles with or to be
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the next Bennett stirs. But he has value on this team.
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And and McCollum said it a couple days ago, too, is that he
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can take away the opponent regard the best guard or or what
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have you. And I think we saw that last
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night. And he needs he needs to be more
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consistent again as a shooter. Things just spaced out with him
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when he's shooting the ball well.
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And I want to he's one of the guys that sticks out to me as
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the ones that pass up a good shot at the end of the shot
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clock to try to get a great shot to overpass or whatever.
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He I think that's one of the things that's inhibiting him
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offensively. So I think that would help him
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get maybe sort of out of this bunk.
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He did get AI think a fast break layup last night as well as a
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three pointer. To see that three pointer go
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down probably had to feel real good for him for the offensive
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slump he's been in. But yeah, the defense is is
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worth it to to have him on the on the floor.
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Penn State Saturday, then finish home to Michigan at Nebraska.
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Is there a team in the middle of the Big 10, Elliot, that's maybe
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got your attention, you know, kind of in the area of Iowa
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where they are in the standing, maybe it's UCLA with Dent.
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Is there a team that you know, outside of the the Big 5, if you
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will, that that you're going to pay close attention to once we
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get to either the Big 10 tournament or even going forward
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into the Big Dance? Yeah, You know, I would probably
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say UCLA is a good one. Any team with with a lead guard
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like Donovan Ben is is going to give you some give anybody
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trouble, right. Like, and prior to last night's
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game, I probably would have said the same thing about Bruce
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Thornton. Ohio State on a neutral floor,
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it might be a little different. You know, I mean, in Indiana has
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has had some issues as of late, but like Tucker Debris, I got to
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see him quite a bit in Missouri Valley Conference.
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That dude, if he gets hot, he can really shoot.
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He's not even their leading scorer.
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At Indiana, we saw the athletes that USC has washing.
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I mean, like, and I'm going down towards the bottom of the big
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10:00-ish now. But Washington, we saw what what
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they were capable of. I mean, that night was not
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scoring 48 points in the first half, but.
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Well, Steinbach's the top five player.
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I top five pick. I think I love this kids game.
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OK, all right. Well, anyway, the, the, the
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middle of the Big 10 isn't, you know, it's, there's a, there's a
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tier difference between the Michigan, Nebraska, Illinois,
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Michigan State, Purdue and and maybe Wisconsin and everybody
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else. But I mean, it's the Big 10,
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right? Like, you can't, you can't take
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a night off. You can't take a night off.
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You can't look over any of those initial teams because they'll
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take advantage. Like it's, it's not, it's not
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the NBC anymore. It's not mid major basketball
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for Ben McCollum, you have to and, and for some of these Drake
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guys, you have to lock in every single night.
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And I think they're starting to figure that out as the season
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has started to, to get towards the end here, maybe not in the
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1st 5 minutes of the game, but otherwise, I think they've
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started to figure it out. And at the same time, you can't
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be taken advantage of in those early rounds of the Big 10.
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If you get one of those draws and you face UCLA early, you
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can't think, oh, we beat them at home, we'll beat them again.
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You have to show up, You have to play the defence on a Donovan
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tent and, and you have to get the job done and, and, and move
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forward in the Big 10 like this team.
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We, we've seen them control the pace of games.
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We've seen them and get what they won offensively and when
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Alvaro plays like he did last night or Fabian Banks has a has
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a great game, they can they can hang with a lot of these teams
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in the Big 10. I mean, I don't don't color me
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shocked if they if they get a revenge game on a Purdue or a
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Michigan State or a Wisconsin in the Big 10 tournament.
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Want to jump over to football? You had an article earlier this
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week at hawkeyeinsider.com talking about the defensive end
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position and you lose 2 multi year starters, guys that played
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a lot of snaps at least in Llewellyn and Herket.
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Also Brian Allen moves on as he's over in Vanderbilt.
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It is going to be a new look over there and I want didn't do
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a great job of getting the quarterback certainly from the
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defensive end position a year ago.
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When you look at this new group, they go out there in the portal,
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they got some young guys with Shanique and Anderson and Yosei
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up in Nessa. You're certainly excited about.
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What is the cut of your outlook on the defensive end position
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and potentially being able to get to the quarterback a little
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bit better this year? Yeah, you know, I, I think I
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think truthful. Well, the conversation has to
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start with Kenneth Merriweather because he is the only guy
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coming back that was part of the rotation last year.
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Do I see him as being a double digit that guy?
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I don't. Do you do you hope he can be the
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leader and and that rock of of that defensive end group like,
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you know, a Joe Evans or an Ethan Hercat were in the last
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few years. I think that's what you really
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are shooting for from a Kenneth Merriweather.
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If he does become that double digit that guy, then awesome.
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But if you're looking for that pass rusher, I think you have to
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go to yo stay up and that's a yes.
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They did use his red shirt this last year.
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He I think he only played four games, but the the physical
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tools. I mean we saw you could see what
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he did on his puddle against kids in the Saint Louis area
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during his prep career. But the reason he's a five star,
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he was a five star for us at 24/7 sports is the fact that he
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did it against some of these all American guys at these big
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showcase bowl sort of things when he was in high school.
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The violence, the I mean, he looks like a grown man out there
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with boys. The the, the, the, the speed off
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the ball. If he's good, if there's going
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to be a feared pass rusher on this roster, I think it's
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Epinesta. I want to see more from what
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Kamari Brown can do at this level as opposed to at the FCS
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because his grades, like BFF grades were phenomenal both in
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the run and the past. 16 tackles for loss, 12 stacks.
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But that wasn't Elon, right? Like he ended up.
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I think he tied or, or set the program career stack record in
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two years of Elon, which is awesome.
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That's incredible. Now can you do it at the Big 10
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level? I want to see more from Joe
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Anderson and and Shima Chaneke Anderson, again, a guy that's
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really explosive athlete, super long, was going to be on the
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track team at Iowa before he decided to commit to the
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football fully. But the twitchiness is there.
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He's just, he's 6 foot 6 and 240 lbs.
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So you got to put some, I think something like that.
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I'd have to double check the football roster, but real, real
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thin. If he's putting on a ton of
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weight this this spring and summer, then then he's a guy
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that I'm keeping my eye on. And you know, Chima, he's one of
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those those Texas recruits groups that like, OK, you're
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from the Lone Star State, we're going to expect a little bit
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more from you super long. But yeah, it's a really
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interesting group. A lot of turnover, like you
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mentioned. No, Brian Allen, I think if
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there is a star in that group, I mean, his last name's Eponetza,
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right? Like we got to roll with USA.
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Good stuff, Elliot Cleft 24/7 Sports, hawkeyeinsider.com
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Elliot, as always, we appreciate you coming on.
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We'll talk to you down the road. Thanks, Elliot.
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Awesome. Thanks, guys.
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Yep. Appreciate it, good to talk to
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you Ellie Clough as we check in on the Hawkeyes basketball and
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football wise. Oh man, beat Penn State?
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Yep. Get beat by Michigan, yes,
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upset. What will be the point spread in
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the game in Lincoln? Oh, I can give you a projected
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point spread for that game. All right, take a take a guess.
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Now you're normally this is football.
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You're really. Good at this.
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In fact, you're in homecourt. I am 6 1/2.
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That's really good. 66.1 to be exact to Bartorvic has Nebraska
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winning 70 to 60. Four, what about the Michigan
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game? Also 6 is it really 6.1?
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As many as I thought. And I'm right there with you.
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I was a little bit surprised. So you're saying there's a
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chance there's a? Chance you win one of those
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games, succeed, and then don't lose to the nine seed.
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Whoever it is, don't do that. No.
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Well, that's six seed. Would that get them away from
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Michigan on the top of the bracket?
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Oh, for the big Oh, I see what you're saying.
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I was talking. Big and I agree with you.
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Get to the six seed and the big dance.
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Absolutely. Well, let's play around here a
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little bit here. Let's which one of the two we
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going to give them? Nebraska.
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You pause for a moment and I know it's hard for you, Husker
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Kenny, to get past your Husker love, but we flipped that one
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around. We'll.
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Have to have SIP on next week. Yes, it could be the last time.
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Yes, absolutely. We'll, it won't be the last.
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Time. No.
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You know what? We'll find a way to talk about
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spring football with SIP, Yes? So still and by the way, hope.
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Will be springing eternal. Well, of course it will be.
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We know that incredibly well. They are still in this
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projection with all the other favorites winning.
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Iowa would still be the eighth seed even with a win against
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Nebraska. However, go back two teams and
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but in front of them, one win in front of them, Wisconsin, the
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other UCLA. So looking at the Bruins here.
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So they have UCLA beating Minnesota in the barn.
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Very simple. Let's just flip that, yeah?
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We could. In the barn, Gophers get UCLAUCA
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loses to Nebraska. UCLA wins against USC in the
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finale. I think there's going to be
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another loss and they have projected here.
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That's how Iowa then rises to the seven seed, meeting a likely
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rematch against Ohio State or Maryland.
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Sign for that in a heartbeat. And then in the quarterfinals,
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instead of having to face the behemoth that is Michigan, you
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get predicted Purdue. Oops.
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Well, that didn't sound great. All right, let's see.
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What else can we do to flip around this and make it?
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Who would you? Who would you like to see Iowa
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play? Out of the top three, though, in
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the quarterfinals, it's going to be one of those teams even as
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we're playing around here, Michigan, Illinois.
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Illinois doesn't play a lick of defense.
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I guess. Maybe Illinois.
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I mean the size factor though. Starts stunk in that game
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against the Illini too. He played poorly for his
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standards. Maybe, possibly I would came
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back with him on the bench. When they got back into the
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game, that's when he was sitting out with the foul trouble.
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I guess I. I think probably of the three,
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right? Produce just a bad match up for
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them. The two bigs inside, what they
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can do there doesn't feel good. Michigan's Michigan.
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I think the answer is Illinois, but they're all good teams.
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They are all good teams. We'll take a time out.
20:46
We'll come back. We'll head to Indianapolis
20:48
combining when we come back, Dalton Wasserman, Pro Football
20:52
Focus joins us. He's an Indy for the combine
20:54
will pick his brain on a number of topics as Miller and Condon
20:57
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profootballfocus.com. Dalton Trenton, Ken for you.
21:23
Dalton, when does the combine really pick up?
21:26
When do you guys at Pro Football Focus?
21:28
I know you're spread, I'm sure you've all got different
21:30
responsibilities, but in your world, what are the most
21:33
important days for you, Dalton? Honestly, we were there the last
21:37
couple days when you talk about GM's and head coach and head
21:40
coaches for most of the teams talking.
21:41
And obviously you're kind of digging in for any speculation
21:44
and any sort of wording that might give away any intention
21:47
from any of these teams, right? In some, you know, some of those
21:49
GM's and coaches are more blood than others when it comes to how
21:52
their offseason might be framed. But you know, obviously that's a
21:55
fun time. And then you get into the
21:56
weekend with the players, right, and figuring out the athletic
21:59
testing and especially guys at the top of the draft, you want
22:01
to see if they're elite athletes.
22:03
I know a lot of the measurements are coming out now, you know,
22:05
and even today they're already getting highly scrutinized.
22:07
So the entire week really does have a lot of important factors
22:10
in it. It's fun to pay attention to all
22:11
of it. Underwear Olympics, that's what
22:13
it's been dubbed. We have heard many of the things
22:16
in the past. I really checked out for a while
22:19
when I had, I remember having a scout saying that Tristan Worse
22:22
wasn't athletic enough to be a tackle at the NFL level.
22:25
I said, well, right, we got somebody that had A at least a
22:28
pen and had a keyboard and he didn't know what the hell they
22:31
were talking about. As we've seen as he has moved
22:33
on, when it comes to the goofiness, arm length, those
22:36
kind of things, are there things that you look at that the
22:39
measurables you believe are important and things that are
22:42
overstated? It's definitely different at
22:45
every position, right? I think there's obviously some
22:47
you look at lineman and everyone's talking about arm
22:49
length. It was Will Campbell with it
22:51
last year now with Ruben Bane and a few other guys, right?
22:53
So I think the big thing with you're looking for the combine
22:56
really is who are the outliers, right, both on the high end and
22:59
the low. And most guys, as with anything,
23:01
are going to be within that average range, within maybe a
23:04
couple standard deviations. But like, say, a Ruben Bane with
23:07
his arm length coming out under 31 inches, is that an outlier
23:10
that that some teams are going to want to avoid?
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Right. Every team, all 32 teams have
23:14
different standards when it comes to athletic profiles and
23:17
what they prefer and then what fits in their schemes and the
23:19
coaching Staffs and all of that. So that's what you're looking
23:21
for. And then on the high end, say
23:23
maybe if there's some guys who are risers through this process
23:25
who maybe didn't have the elite production in college, you go,
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OK, if this guy's an A+ athlete, why didn't anybody get to unlock
23:32
it, really, and unlock that production in college?
23:33
And sometimes it makes you take a second look at the tapes.
23:36
So definitely you can't make all of your definitive statements
23:38
here this week, but there's a lot of things you can go back
23:41
and take a second look at I. Want to ask you about the
23:43
quarterbacks. Are you in the camp that Mendoza
23:46
is a can't miss that he's going to succeed?
23:49
And then where are you on Ty Simpson, the the Alabama
23:52
quarterback who you know, depends who you talk to.
23:55
Some love him, some think he's a second round pick at best.
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Where are you on the two quarterbacks that seemingly will
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go off the board? Well, Mendoza very quickly, and
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then Simpson at some point, either first day or early second
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day. Yeah, I still meant, I still
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firmly believe Mendoza is going to go first.
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I think you can just about write it in pen at this point.
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He's going to be the Las Vegas Raiders quarterback.
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I don't think he's quite as can't miss to say, you know, Joe
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Burrow, Caleb Williams, Trevor Lawrence, some of the other guys
24:19
we get that are considered generational prospects.
24:22
But I think there is a time in the prime of his career when
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Mendoza can be a top 8 to 10 quarterback.
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I think he's really solid. You think about the caliber of
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players say that a Dak Prescott or a Jared Goff or one of those
24:32
guys has become throughout their career.
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I think Mendoza can get there if the Raiders build it right.
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As far as Simpson, obviously the opinions are much wider ranging.
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Is he a first round guy, Second round guy?
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I think he could be either one of those.
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I think you probably get in that stretch starting maybe at #16
24:46
with the New York Jets where you start to think about him.
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And I think the big thing for me, I would like to see Simpson
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go to a situation where he could sit for a year, right?
24:53
I think about Pittsburgh, if Aaron Rodgers comes back, the
24:55
Rams, obviously Matthew Stafford is coming back.
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If he got to sit for a year or two and really develop some more
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of the fundamentals and find a pressure plan, I think he could
25:03
be a very solid starter. I don't love the idea even
25:06
starting day one, which pushes him more to either the back end
25:08
of the first round or early into the second.
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One who go to the local front here and start with the guy
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that, well, he was committed to Iowa for a long time and then he
25:17
came back to Iowa for a couple of weeks.
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Grew up here on the east edge of our listening audience in
25:22
southeast Polk, Kaden Proctor with Alabama, you see him, he's
25:26
a behemoth. They're out there throwing
25:27
passes out to him. We know about the athleticism
25:30
for a guy that's 370 lbs. Is he that big now?
25:33
But you always want more with him.
25:35
You, he's a the kind of guy that you look at him and say he
25:38
should be better than what he is.
25:40
I think he'll probably get picked in the first round, maybe
25:43
towards the tail end of it. But what are your thoughts on
25:45
Kaden Proctor, a guy that certainly has immense talent?
25:49
I think the biggest number for Kaden Proctor this week and the
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athletic testing, obviously for his size, he is a very good
25:54
athlete. But I'm curious to see what the
25:56
official weight number is because watching his tape, I was
25:59
a little in between on whether he was a tackle or he could be a
26:01
guard in the NFL. And I think that goes along with
26:04
his weight. I think if he wants to stay at
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left tackle, he's got to get at least under 350, if not 340 lbs.
26:09
If he weighs in at the rumored, you know, now that is saying,
26:12
you know, he might have weighed as close to 390 at the beginning
26:15
of the season and got down closer to 350 or 360.
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I think if he's up above 350, I think he might have to move
26:21
inside. I do believe in his talent.
26:23
I think he can be really, really good because you just don't see
26:25
that many overwhelmingly large guys with pretty good
26:28
athleticism like he has. But I do think he's going to
26:31
have to keep his weight down to stay at tackle.
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So if you do draft him, and I do think he's a first round
26:35
prospect, somewhere in the mid to late first round, if you
26:37
draft him, you got to have a plan for where you're going to
26:39
put him. And if you're going to leave him
26:40
a tackle, you need to have a good plan, I think to keep his
26:43
weight probably of under about 3:40.
26:45
I know that Dalton Wasserman is our guest Pro Football Focus.
26:48
Your latest mock draft is up, You have Dominic Orange.
26:50
I was stating in the third round, I guess he crushed his
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interview in front of the media yesterday.
26:55
That was one of the takeaways from it.
26:56
But look what he's a heck of a player and didn't have a lot of
26:58
help on that defensive line and they were double triple teaming
27:03
him through certainly most of his final season in Ames.
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Your thoughts on Dominic Orange? You have him as a second day
27:08
pick. I think a solid player amongst a
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group of really good run stoppers, right?
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I think these types of players over the last couple of years,
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you know, you talk about in this draft, Dominic Orange, Dante
27:18
Corleone from Cincinnati, Kaden McDonald from Ohio State is
27:21
thought to be the best 1 of this group.
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Those run stuffers that can take up a gap and a half and two gaps
27:26
and really attack those double teams and free up space for
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linebackers. They're the types of interior
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players that make the rest of your front 7 better.
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Orange is a look, he's got good athleticism.
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He played in kind of a weird role in that Iowa State defense
27:38
with that three man. So we'll have a little more
27:40
support. Things will get a little tighter
27:42
for him and maybe that'll work to his advantage in the NFL.
27:45
But you know, it speaks to the depth of this defensive line
27:47
class that somebody as talented as Orange might slip to the
27:49
third round. He's going to be at least a
27:51
solid early down player for somebody out there.
27:53
When when people ask you who's your can't miss guy in this
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draft early first pair, I mean, you know, top five pick.
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Who is the can't miss player in this draft for you Dalton?
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For me, I think it's Caleb Downs, the safety from Alabama.
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I mean, we've just never, we've basically between, you know, one
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year at Alabama and two at Ohio State.
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We've basically just never seen him play bad football.
28:14
And I know he's not as physically imposing as some of
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the elite safety prospects we've seen in recent years, Derwin
28:19
James, Kyle Hamilton, guys like that.
28:21
But his football intelligence is unreal.
28:24
You don't start as a true freshman under Nick Saban at
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Alabama in the defensive backfield.
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That's not a thing. And Caleb Downs made it a thing.
28:31
Then he goes to Ohio State for two years and he's the best
28:33
defensive player in the country. To be honest.
28:35
Mess with you. I think he's a game changer.
28:36
He can play any role for your defense and he's another guy on
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the back and that's a force multiplier.
28:40
He makes the rest of your defense better.
28:43
He can fill in so many roles in coverage and against the run.
28:46
I think it's Caleb Downs. I think he should be, at least
28:48
in consideration, as high as #2 overall.
28:51
Back to the local front, a couple of Iowa guys want to get
28:54
your perspective on Jennings Dunker.
28:56
He's fun, he's got the big red hair, he's got personality.
29:00
He is he's a different kind of guy.
29:01
Certainly a lot of people believe though the interior,
29:04
he's going to be a guard at the next level, but a potentially a
29:07
very good one. Your thoughts on him?
29:09
And then also Kaden Weichen, who is a return specialist, didn't
29:12
do a whole lot in the offense, but an elite level returner in
29:15
the return game with the new rules in the NFL.
29:18
Both of those guys, your thoughts?
29:19
And and Weichen, who I think everybody had targeted maybe
29:22
initially that'll be a free agent.
29:24
He'll catch on somewhere with these new rules in the NFL, with
29:27
the kickoff rule, could he hear his name selected?
29:30
Maybe sixth, seventh round. Yeah, I'll start there with
29:32
Dunker because I watched his tape one more time last week and
29:35
he's a really interesting player because I think you, you
29:37
mentioned it, got the personality, got the demeanor,
29:40
has the aggression, absolutely to be an NFL offensive lineman
29:43
and there's a lot of polishing, coaching that can really be put
29:46
into his game. I don't think he's anywhere near
29:48
as fundamentally sound as he could be to hit his feeling.
29:51
I think he's a player that you could take mid to late day 2 and
29:54
sit him for a year or two and develop them in the right
29:56
system, especially if he gets in a similar, you know, kind of
29:59
Shanahan's own run scheme kind of system like they ran in Iowa.
30:02
I think dunker could be really good, but I need a year or two
30:05
of development out of him, even just certain things just as get
30:08
off at the line of scrimmage and certain fundamental things and
30:10
pass protection. He's a good developmental
30:12
prospect. I think if you whether he's at
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tackle or at guard, if you teach him right over the next year or
30:16
two, I think he can be a starter.
30:18
And then Wheaton's really interesting.
30:19
You're right. He's a guy who popped a little
30:21
bit at the Shrine Bowl. He's been the best, he's been
30:23
the best returner in the country for the last two years.
30:25
And you mentioned it with the increased number of tickle often
30:27
look, we even see on the Super Bowl champions, they trade for a
30:30
guy like Rasheed Shaheed made some huge place for them down
30:32
the stretch on special teams. So I think we chin with the
30:35
return ability and a little bit of what he showed in the slot at
30:38
the Shrine Bowl. I think that's the guy who could
30:39
go. He could get taken around six or
30:41
seven, But there's a couple of those guys, you know, Berion
30:43
Brown from LSU, Xavion Thomas from LSU as well.
30:46
I think returners are getting more valuable again with the
30:48
change in the kickoff rules. Dalton, is this your favorite
30:51
time of the year? Is the season for you?
30:53
You're so busy and you're so good at both.
30:54
But you know, you mentioned the Shrine Bowl, the All Star Game
30:57
games, etcetera. And then with the Combine, is
30:59
this the best time for you professionally?
31:03
I mean, the offseason is a lot of fun, right?
31:05
When you think about team building and how many different
31:07
theories you can go into, especially teams and new coaches
31:09
and things like that. Now, I will say my favorite time
31:12
of the year is the season, right?
31:13
I, you know, I used to coach and it's like that weekly grind of
31:16
preparing for games and trying to figure out who's going to win
31:19
and why they're going to win and then going back and dissecting
31:22
it. So I will say my the season
31:23
itself is my favorite part, but the team building aspect as a
31:26
whole that goes into these three or four months right after the
31:29
season ends, it certainly is a lot of fun.
31:31
And one of my favorite things really to do is find, you know,
31:33
identify how many of those player and team fits right, who
31:36
really fits in best where. That's how a lot of these draft
31:39
boards especially are built. I'm hoping your draft board is
31:41
spot on because you have the Oregon tight end.
31:44
How do you say his name? Shadiq, who's an athletic freak,
31:47
I think, and I'm a Broncos fan and that is a huge need for my
31:51
squad. If he falls that far, obviously
31:55
they run to the podium. I would hope.
31:57
Is there a chance you think obviously you do, you've got him
31:59
down there, that he's still available when Denver picks at
32:02
30? I think there is a chance
32:04
because when you talk about a locked in first round tight end,
32:07
you're going to be talking about a special, special football
32:10
player, right? We had two of them last year,
32:11
Colston Loveland and Tyler Warren.
32:13
You had one the year before and Brock Bowers.
32:15
And you know, I think it's just a matter for Sadiq.
32:17
Look, his stock is going to go up this week.
32:19
He's going to tear up the combine.
32:20
He is a very good athlete but didn't really show to be as
32:23
productive as those guys were, right?
32:24
Loveland was the center of Michigan's offense.
32:26
Tyler Warren was everything for Penn State last year, Bowers at
32:29
Georgia before that. I don't think Sadiq really
32:31
played that role. There's a lot of potential for
32:33
sure. I don't know that he's a top 20
32:35
prospect in this draft. I think he could slip into the
32:37
late first round and it'd be hard in this class, this team
32:40
getting out of the first round. But I don't think he's as a
32:43
lock. You know what, I saw some mock
32:44
drafts earlier in the season talking about him going like
32:47
close to top ten. I don't think he's that caliber
32:49
a player, at least not yet. But I do think there's a
32:51
possibility he could get in the mid, in the mid to late 20s
32:54
here. And if he falls to Denver and
32:55
Denver for our receiving grades was dead last with their tight
32:59
end unit and receiving grade, I think that's really something
33:02
that they would look into of Sadiq's the board.
33:03
Fingers crossed, want to go to the running back position and
33:07
you go back and you look through, I know the running back
33:10
position is not what it once was.
33:11
We rarely see a whole lot of guys go in the first round and
33:14
we're going to get to love here in a moment.
33:15
But Clyde Edwards a layer, I think we can say definitely a
33:19
bus, not Jay Harris bust for a first rounder.
33:22
Even Travis Etienne, he's talented, but it's not there.
33:26
Brace Hall didn't go in the first round, but he was the
33:27
first running back taken. He's on his way out with The
33:30
Jets. You go through here, we saw
33:32
Gente and a Marion Hampton, who was hurt last year, first round
33:35
for the running back. A lot of teams shy away from it.
33:38
Why is love different or should we consider love different
33:41
coming out of Notre Dame? I don't know that it's different
33:45
so much and I and I like that you mentioned the two first
33:47
round picks from this past year with Jinti and Hampton, because
33:50
what happened with both of those guys as well is that they were
33:52
playing behind two of the worst offensive lines in the league,
33:55
right? So running backs, it's so
33:56
dependent at times on your offensive line and how well they
33:59
can block. And that's really the problem
34:01
with, you know, getting a back, getting picked in the top ten
34:03
like Jinti did is look, usually those teams picking in the top
34:06
ten, they don't generally have great offensive lines, right?
34:08
It's part of the reason that they've only won 3-4 or five
34:11
games the previous year, right? So look, I think Love is a hell
34:14
of a prospect, man. I think you could you could say,
34:16
you know, he's he's pretty close to equal to Ginty last year, a
34:19
little bit different styles, but Love's an outstanding football
34:21
player and in this class I do think he's going to be a top ten
34:24
pick. It'll be interesting to see
34:25
which team he ends up with and how developed that team's
34:28
offensive line is as well. But that's going to be a big
34:31
factor in it. But he's by far the best back in
34:33
this class. The drop off to me is is just so
34:36
wide, I mean wider than any other position to me in this
34:38
class, Love and then the rest of the running back.
34:40
So there's going to be an urgency to take him and
34:42
especially his home run speed and he might run a four three
34:45
this weekend. He shows that off.
34:47
I think he's going top ten. I do.
34:49
I think I got a bad feeling he's going to be a chief.
34:51
Last thing, we'll let you go and get back to work here.
34:53
What position there? There's more talent at fill in
34:57
the blank position this year than previous drafts.
35:01
Than previous drafts, I would say I tell you what, in the
35:04
middle of the defense at all three levels is good.
35:06
But this is as good a linebacker draft, especially in the first 3
35:09
rounds as I can remember in several years.
35:11
I mean, you talk about potentially 3 depending on what
35:13
you think about Arvel Reece and he says he's an edge player.
35:16
Some people think he's a linebacker.
35:17
Sonny Styles measured in an absolute freakish numbers today,
35:21
CJ Allen from Georgia's awesome, Anthony Hill from Texas, Jake
35:25
Gold a from Cincinnati, Jacob Rodriguez from Texas Tech.
35:28
We got a really good linebacker class.
35:30
Honestly in in last year's class there was only maybe 4 guys that
35:33
I four or five guys that I even kind of liked.
35:36
This year it is a stack group that I think you're going to get
35:39
good players really all the way through probably the fourth
35:41
round life. You need a linebacker.
35:42
You're going to be OK this year. Take one even on Day 2.
35:45
If you're an NFL junkie, follow Dalton at PFF under score
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Dalton. PFF under score Dalton.
35:52
Dalton Wasserman Pro Football Focus.
35:54
Thank you. What you do for us, Dalton.
35:56
We'll talk to you in the weeks ahead.
35:57
Appreciate the time as we always do.
35:59
Thank you. Absolutely appreciate you guys
36:01
as always. Thank you.
36:02
Good to talk to you, Dalton Wasserman as we checked in on
36:04
the NFL. I, I would have loved to do this
36:07
in my for my career. I've, I loved, I, I love to be a
36:12
scout. You know that Matt Miller guy
36:13
who's down with ESPN. We just not, we didn't discover
36:17
him. We found him like in 2007.
36:20
He was working out of his home in like Manhattan, KS.
36:23
OK. And just started this as a hobby
36:26
and now he's ESP NS, one of the ESPN draft guys.
36:29
He's at NFL draft scout on Twitter.
36:34
It could be done, I guess is where I was going.
36:36
But what a great, what a great way to make a living, I would
36:38
think. Yes, I could have Film give an
36:42
opinion, right? Busy this time of year, then you
36:45
watch football all year, then you, you know, you'd cover a few
36:48
All Star games and a few senior bowls and off you go to India.
36:52
I think it'd be a great a great gig.
36:53
Very difficult to get into though, probably.
36:56
I mean, because there are thousands.
36:58
Well, there's thousands do. You know, there's a guy and I
37:03
think he still lives in Iowa, patriotsdraft.com or at our NFL
37:09
New England Patriots. He's probably listening or he
37:12
could because now we're our our signal is expanded that lives in
37:17
Iowa and is making a career doing this.
37:18
It can be done. It can be.
37:21
Patriots drafters I can't recall anyways.
37:24
So you do not want Jeremiah Love to go to the Chiefs?
37:26
I do not, no. You think he's going to be a
37:28
stud? I think he's, yeah.
37:29
I think that's what Kansas City needs.
37:31
I remember April 2020, you crying about Clyde Edwards.
37:34
A lair. Right.
37:35
But I that's true. That's true.
37:37
I'm just not a fan of the running back.
37:40
That early in the draft. Yeah.
37:44
What if you what? It hasn't gone well?
37:45
No fair. What do the Chiefs need?
37:49
A lot. You know who was the last camp
37:52
miss backed Barkley to go early. Gentie went what, 6?
37:55
I think he went 6. That was too much.
37:58
And Dalton's 100% right. And and likewise with Hampton,
38:01
two of the worst offensive lines in football, period.
38:04
And Hampton was hurt. And Hampton was hurt.
38:06
Hampton. I thought he was Bronco.
38:07
I was convinced. He was really, yeah, convinced
38:09
they were sniffing around. And then that kid from Texas and
38:12
they never played God. I give anything.
38:14
His name is on my squad. Do you want like, say, a Jordan
38:18
Tyson? It'll fall.
38:20
Yeah. Something like that.
38:22
Denver needs a running back, a tight end, and a receiver.
38:25
They need 3 skilled guys and you can grab.
38:27
Maybe grab one from free agency. Draft 1.
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I'd like Siddique. Don't you like Siddique From
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Oregon? Yes.
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Yeah, I do too. Absolutely.
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I'd be stunned anyways. Well, fun time.
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Years. Yes, the draft moves closer.
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What are we doing draft wise? Well, we will be back at it once
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again with our yearly mock draft presented by Graphite
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Construction Group Group. We'll be doing that once again
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last year, I think we. I had so much fun.
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Last year I think we threaded the needle last year.
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So much fun. You, myself and Russ with
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graphite, they, we did it ourselves.
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We've had some different people come in, but we decided we're
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going to go that route and I think it worked incredibly well.
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I thought it was a blast, yeah. Going through and doing our own
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mock draft a couple days before we got a little hiccup or a
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little hurdle this year, though, because as we know, Russ is a
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huge yes. You dive in, he dives in.
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I don't dive in the same level you guys do, but he knows the
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draft as well as any fan. You're going to find out there
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also though, because he's a huge fan and a huge Chiefs fan and
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the season ticket holder, so they have this lottery every
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year. Where you can, the Chiefs do, or
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the NFL the Chiefs does. Where you can be one of the
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people they see on TV. He won it this year.
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No way. So when you're watching the
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draft coverage in April and they cut to the Chiefs.
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Pittsburgh right from. Pittsburgh, you're going to see
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Russ is going to be amongst that group of fans and the Chiefs
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contingent. In that little box.
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Or whatever. Absolutely.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, he also did tell me that
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you can anticipate hotel rooms are not exactly cheap in
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Pittsburgh that week. So going to cost a little bit to
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get out there, but he's going to.
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Remind Russ what he does for a living construction and who owns
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the company. Yes.
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I think he can pay the fray. He's a good dude.
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He's really good at the draft. That's so he won't be able to
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join us, obviously. Well, I think they go out, we
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talked about the date and maybe setting it maybe a little bit
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earlier than we've done in the past, maybe do it Monday or
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Tuesday. So first night of the draft is
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Thursday? Yes, and he would go Wednesday.
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I believe that is the case Tuesday before he goes.
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Absolutely. I want to do it with him one
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more time. That was so much fun.
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Yes. Had a blast.
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All right, we'll take a time out, come back.
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Trent's plays of the day. They're coming up next.
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Circus sports sponsors those your record yesterday was. 3:00
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and 4:00. We're at 500 on the week.
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Well, how many games today are you playing?
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The Big 10 game? Yes.
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Michigan State, Purdue. Yep, Peacock has that one.
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Trent's plays of the day or next.
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Miller and Condon talking sports with you on the Iowa Sports
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Radio Network. Hi, Miller and Condon, welcome
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back. Iowa Sports Radio Network.
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Trenton, Ken, with you, our final segment here tomorrow.
41:03
Tom Caker will join us Eugene repay hopefully haven't heard
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back from I'm sure he'll be fine is they don't travel this week
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of the Iowa State media they're home and then Mike Palm will
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join us from Circa sports see Circa is at least questioning
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the survivor participants whether they want did you see
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the. I did, yes.
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Jeff Benson has been talking about it.
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Want more than 10 for the minimum for the maximum entries?
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What did you did you fill out? Did you vote on it?
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I yeah, 10 is good, but people manipulate it.
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Well, sure, yeah, sure. You can always get more, you
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just won't be have your name on it.
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But I'm anxious to play this thing again.
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You're right back in, yeah. Aren't you?
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Yeah. Of course.
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Yeah, of course you are. Every single year.
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Yep, I'll donate my money. It's a tax, absolutely, but it's
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a fun one. It is.
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All right, let's make some money betting wise.
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How many games? Three games, 10 and 11 on the
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week, so we are under 500. Another losing week, another
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losing proposition. But we'll go right back to it
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again and see if we can turn around our fortune.
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After all, you know, backup trench, yes, stack up.
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Absolutely all in college basketball.
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Basketball tonight I'm playing the big one.
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Michigan State going to Purdue. I didn't do it on Monday.
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I wasn't a building believer, though I normally are back to
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believing in the building. Purdue has lost three times this
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year in Mackey, something that is a rarity, certainly under
42:28
Painter. Historically, they dominate
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Michigan State in this building. I'm not going to be scared of
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the big price. I'm going to lay it tonight
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until the seven and a half and I'm going to take Purdue to
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dispatch Sparty. Two other plays.
42:42
Winthrop playing well. We've seen them in the
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tournament plenty of times. They are playing some good
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basketball. Going to lay the 6 1/2 tonight
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as they go to Charleston Southern.
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And then finally, I talked about this team earlier.
42:53
You looked at me funny. Denver, The Pioneers now they
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got an Ankeny kid on their squad and he's really good.
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But Denver going to lay the 3 1/2.
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They brought in a bunch of guys from D2, the Drake model with
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McCollum. They're starting to play really
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well. They had a big win over the
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weekend against Saint Thomas, the best team in the Summit.
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They keep it rolling and Oral Roberts, Denver -3 1/2.
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All right, we'll be back at it tomorrow.
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We appreciate you spending as much time as you do with us in
43:20
the last couple of hours. But coming up next off the
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bench, Lucas Strange, Sean Roberts, Miller and Condon, we
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talk sports with you Monday through Friday from noon to two
43:27
on Des Moines Sports Station One O 6.3 KX at home and the Iowa
43:31
Sports Radio Network.