Latest / Simply Bitcoin / $850B Bank: ''Bitcoin WILL STILL Hit $500k Before Trump Leaves Office...'' | EP 1193
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- 0:00As everyone is freaking out about Bitcoin crash into 80 K,
- 0:04an $850 billion bank just went on national news and doubled
- 0:09down on their 2028 Bitcoin price predictions.
- 0:13Why are these violent 30% corrections not scaring these
- 0:17massive trillion dollar banks who are historically afraid of
- 0:22volatility? What are they seeing?
- 0:24Do they know something about Bitcoin that you don't?
- 0:27Well, we're going to show you and hopefully make sure that you
- 0:32aren't getting scared out of out of your position.
- 0:34So let's play the clip of Jeff Kendrick, head of digital assets
- 0:37at Standard Charter, hinting at Bitcoins inevitable path to
- 0:41dominating the global macroeconomic landscape.
- 0:45Hopefully we get some regulatory clarity in the US too, and that
- 0:48can see again a lot more traditional players entering the
- 0:51market. Probably that will see
- 0:53volatility come lower and again that should add to that medium
- 0:56term top side potential, which for me is Bitcoin up to 200,000
- 1:01this year and five. So you'd love to see these huge,
- 1:08huge institutions still being extremely bullish on Bitcoin
- 1:11even in the face of a this you know what?
- 1:14I forget what the number is where like a 25% correction
- 1:17right now. Anyways, as you guys can tell,
- 1:19I'm in the hosting chair today, but I'm here with my friend
- 1:22Chris Salamo, everyone's favorite friendly neighbor next
- 1:26door Bitcoiner Chris. So thanks for showing up with
- 1:28us, Chris. We got a lot to cover, so I'm
- 1:30going to jump right into it. All right, so guys, I'm sure
- 1:33you're watching this clip and I saw you guys in the telegram
- 1:36being like man, bitcoins correcting, we're at 80 K.
- 1:39Can you guys stop giving me these incredibly bullish
- 1:42prediction? Well, guys, it's never going to
- 1:45stop. We all know the meme.
- 1:47It's going up forever. And if you're new to Bitcoin, if
- 1:50you're starting to feel this fatigue here because the price
- 1:52isn't doing what you think it was, maybe you're new.
- 1:55Maybe you're all in, you're stacking and you're like, I have
- 1:57no more Fiat. To.
- 1:59Stack Bitcoin just know guys, we will be your entertainment
- 2:04through the separation of money and state and hopefully you're
- 2:07came in all the way up until 1,000,000 plus dollar Bitcoin.
- 2:09But for the new people guys, this is totally normal for bull
- 2:13markets. Corrections in the bull market
- 2:15is 100% completely normal. The Bitcoin price doesn't just
- 2:20go straight up into the moon forever like the meme edit show
- 2:23you. There is always corrections in
- 2:24the bull market and of course we have Adam back here and he just
- 2:27goes dips are normal in Bitcoin bull market zoom out people have
- 2:30short term memories. We always get impatient.
- 2:32We always want to see the Bitcoin price run and here we
- 2:35have Matthew Matthew Siegel of Vanek you know with the hat I, I
- 2:38didn't, I didn't plan that one, but here he goes list of Bitcoin
- 2:41corrections in the run up to 20 K in 2017 with a 9041% negative
- 2:4638 percent -29% negative 34 negative 41, negative 40 and
- 2:51-20% and then the same thing. The list of Bitcoin corrections
- 2:55to the run up to 69 K in 20/21, negative 21, negative 17,
- 3:00negative 30, negative 26, negative 55%.
- 3:03And of course, another -25% so, you know, we're loosely
- 3:08historically on path to see an incredible price run.
- 3:11Do we know where this is going? As we saw Jeff Kendrick say,
- 3:15he's still thinking that by 2028, by the time that Trump
- 3:19gets out of office, we will see 500K.
- 3:22I've been loosely saying for a while that, you know, 200 to 300
- 3:25K top this year still seems in play.
- 3:28I know right now it's kind of hard to think about those prices
- 3:31when we see this basically Bitcoin price fall off a Cliff
- 3:35here. I think, Chris, maybe you can
- 3:36Fact Check as I go through some of this, these numbers here,
- 3:39we're at like what a 20 something percent correction.
- 3:42So moving forward, we have VJ. If you don't know VJ, he's been
- 3:46a Bitcoin for a long time, write some of the best papers in
- 3:49Bitcoin and he's kind of breaking this down what we're
- 3:52seeing. So even though the media is
- 3:54hyperventilating about Bitcoins corrections and many are
- 3:57suggesting that the Bitcoin top is in, it's not.
- 4:00This correction is fairly run-of-the-mill.
- 4:02Now moving forward, he's kind of talking about past corrections.
- 4:05You see the largest drop during the sideways chop as we were
- 4:08talking about from 7073 K to 53 K, about a 20% drawdown at this
- 4:13time seemed brutal. But for those who've experienced
- 4:15prior cycles, this was a fairly standard correction.
- 4:18And the sideways grind, as you guys are probably aware, ended
- 4:22as we approach President Trump being elected.
- 4:25And once again, sentiment became extremely bullish.
- 4:28We all get caught up in the price once we hit 109 K.
- 4:32And of course, we've corrected and now we're all like, man,
- 4:35it's over, pack it up. So again, the enthusiasm was cut
- 4:39short. As you know, you know,
- 4:40everyone's been talking about, oh, first Bitcoin president in
- 4:43the US, more like first shit coin president in the US.
- 4:46Where is this 150 K? We've been, we've been
- 4:48supposedly promised by Donald Trump.
- 4:51It's not here yet, but I don't think it's over, guys.
- 4:53We're still in early innings of 2025 and here we go.
- 4:57Although Bitcoin's prior cycles had more of a parabolic shape
- 5:00with a blow off top, it may be the case that the shape of
- 5:02Bitcoin when cycles are changing and this would not be surprising
- 5:05given the size and scale of the capital now entering the market.
- 5:09This is something we've been saying for a while.
- 5:10It may be that the cycles are changing.
- 5:14We may be in a different era, a Bitcoin price appreciation.
- 5:18Maybe as we've been saying, this cycle is different, but we won't
- 5:22know until we get to the end of the year. 2020 is hindsight, but
- 5:25until then, obviously keep stacking, keep taking it into
- 5:29cold storage, make sure you can pay your your bills and stuff.
- 5:32Me and Chris were just joking about about that before.
- 5:33The show make sure you can pay your bills, but keep.
- 5:35Stacking and just to wrap up this segment, it is entirely
- 5:38possible that we are in for many more months of painful ups and
- 5:42downs without any meaningful move upward.
- 5:44However, the fundamental shift in the political landscape
- 5:47should absolutely not be underestimated.
- 5:49For its entire history, Bitcoin has faced political headwinds.
- 5:53And now Bitcoin with the efforts of the basically the whole
- 5:56political machinery and of course the global economic
- 5:59machinery behind it, I think we can safely say that that this is
- 6:03not the top of Bitcoin. This is a very normal correction
- 6:06and kind of showing you a little more data of this.
- 6:10We got this news this morning that as you as the Anon, as the
- 6:14newbie Bitcoiner may have panic sold your Bitcoin, BlackRock is
- 6:18making even bigger moves in Bitcoin.
- 6:20And they just added its Bitcoin ETF, the IBIP to its model
- 6:24portfolio for the first time. And they're allocating 1 to 2%
- 6:28of this model portfolio into the Bitcoin ETF's.
- 6:31So if you're panic selling, really you need to, you know,
- 6:35take a chill pill, don't sell your Bitcoin.
- 6:38Understand what you're holding. Now is not the time to be
- 6:41selling your Bitcoin because you're essentially selling it to
- 6:43BlackRock, to Michael Saylor, to all these institutions now kind
- 6:46of getting their feet into the game.
- 6:49And right now, I think it's a very healthy correction in the
- 6:53entire markets. And so things are going real, I
- 6:57would say. Anyways, guys, Chris.
- 7:01What's your thoughts on this? Is the bull run over?
- 7:03Are we being stupidly bullish and saying that Bitcoin is still
- 7:07going to go back up into the six figures?
- 7:10Is this a healthy correction? What's your thoughts on this?
- 7:12It's always a healthy correction.
- 7:14I was literally talking to my mom and to my wife and they're
- 7:16like, oh, so bitcoins down like 20 percent, 25%.
- 7:19I'm like, Oh no, it's an opportunity to buy the dip.
- 7:22You know what I mean? You can stack cheaper sats your
- 7:24dollars, buy more of the hardest, soundest money in the
- 7:27world. So always an opportunity as Adam
- 7:30Back showed, and there's many charts over the years showing
- 7:33that the corrections of all the bull markets they've had the
- 7:35corrections in 2013, 20/17/2021 as they rise to their all time
- 7:39new time, all time highs. So just an opportunity.
- 7:43And Yep, I think there's just stay humble and stack sats and
- 7:47it's always great to stack some cheaper sats as well.
- 7:49Yeah, well, really cheap, sad things are on.
- 7:52Things are definitely on sale. Now, Chris, I do want to ask
- 7:55you, what's your thoughts on this BlackRock, you know,
- 7:58getting more exposure, finding new avenues to get liquidity
- 8:02into the market. I think this is a big signal,
- 8:04even though actually maybe I'll pull it up.
- 8:06We did see one of the biggest outflows of ETF yesterday in all
- 8:12of the ETFs. So as we've kind of been joking,
- 8:15maybe the Bitcoin tourists are out, maybe the boomer actually
- 8:18me, me and Chris were joking about we weren't hating on any
- 8:21Bitcoin boomers out there. And I I don't want to doxy we're
- 8:24talking about, but it does seem like we have a new breed of, you
- 8:28know, older people coming into the space.
- 8:29They seem to be learning about Bitcoin.
- 8:32But I think it's interesting that as we saw the Bitcoin price
- 8:35dump yesterday, we saw one of the biggest outflows into ETF.
- 8:38So as we've been saying for a long time, people still don't
- 8:41really understand and what Bitcoin is.
- 8:43And I know people are kind of trolling us yesterday, or I
- 8:45think it was, no, it was on Tuesday, I think it was when the
- 8:48price was, was dumping. And they're like, yo, these guys
- 8:51are talking about 500 K Bitcoin and bitcoins dumping to 80 K
- 8:54lol. And it's like it just, it's,
- 8:56this is just how the game's working.
- 8:58And I think a lot of people that are, are getting ETF exposure
- 9:02don't really understand what Bitcoin is.
- 9:03And if they see the price dump, obviously they're going to sell
- 9:06those ETFs, but it's going to show that the the, and I hate
- 9:09using this, the smart money, you know, the suits in the game,
- 9:13they want as much Bitcoin as possible.
- 9:15So they understand what's going on.
- 9:16And if you're selling right now, I really don't know what you're
- 9:20doing. It makes no sense to me.
- 9:22Obviously, us Bitcoin Maxis here were 100% all in on Bitcoin.
- 9:26We're never going back to Fiat money and we're trying to
- 9:28acquire as much Bitcoin as possible.
- 9:30But it's interesting that there still is seemingly an
- 9:34informational asymmetric arbitrage here.
- 9:37So Chris, what's your thoughts on that BlackRock allocating
- 9:40more of their important portfolio into Bitcoin,
- 9:43Obviously just one to 2%, but I think that's a huge indicator of
- 9:46what's to come. Yeah, I think financial markets
- 9:49show like success begets success, meaning that, you know,
- 9:53they had one of the most successful, if not the most
- 9:55successful ETF launch in history.
- 9:58I don't think BlackRock and many of the other financial
- 10:00institutions on Wall Street were expecting that.
- 10:02I mean, they had literally trillions of dollars in flowing
- 10:05to that over the course of 2024. Obviously they went live I
- 10:08believe in like January 15th, 18th of 2020 and basically we
- 10:13have a year of data now or over a year of data now and they just
- 10:16saw how successful it was. You know, obviously there was
- 10:19competition like trending to 0, like BlackRock, Arc, Fidelity,
- 10:23they were all competing and trying to bid the APR or the the
- 10:28expense ratio on all of those lower to try and get the
- 10:31inflows. Obviously it seems like
- 10:32BlackRock is the main winner, obviously being the largest of
- 10:36all of the financial institutions in terms of having
- 10:39Bitcoin in their ETF product themselves.
- 10:42I also want to say like at the beginning of the year, we are
- 10:44basically like Bitcoin fell like it basically at the end of the
- 10:47year. We hit like a / 100 very briefly
- 10:50in December of last year and then we kind of retraced back
- 10:53down to like the mid 90s, like 90K ish 92K.
- 10:58But then the new year starts and the way the financial
- 11:00institutions work, obviously they're trying to do best year
- 11:03over year returns. So you know, they were kind of
- 11:05around that 95K mark and then we kind of shot up to the all time
- 11:09high of one O 9, a $109,000 per Bitcoin.
- 11:12And basically it seems that like it kind of chopped sideways for
- 11:15a few days and kind of slowly started to begin dip to dip.
- 11:18I think what happens, and this is just speculation here, you
- 11:21know, I think a lot of times these financial institutions, if
- 11:25they can lock in gains, you know, they basically if you
- 11:27bought on January 1 and then rode that up to the all time
- 11:30high and then sold or like hedged your position, you
- 11:32basically can have a year's worth of returns.
- 11:34If you think the stock market, the S&P average is about 11% a
- 11:38year. I know in the last couple years
- 11:39with all this money printing, we've seen much greater returns
- 11:42than that and obviously Bitcoin has benefited from that as well.
- 11:44But like they basically if you bought in on January 1 and then
- 11:48sold by like middle to end of January at like the all time
- 11:50highs, you locked in a 13% game for the year, 12 1/2 percent
- 11:53basically. So I think a lot of financial
- 11:55institutions, that's very appealing to them, like, hey,
- 11:58like our benchmark is to try and beat 11%.
- 12:00If we can lock in the gains, you know, and then use that money to
- 12:03reallocate or diversify or diversify as us bitcoiners would
- 12:06say, that's something that they could take advantage of.
- 12:08And you know, while at the same time pushing the narrative of
- 12:11pushing more of the retail or even just a lot of their
- 12:14investors into the ETF product while hedging themselves.
- 12:17You know, you know, hey, maybe a money manager or money portfolio
- 12:20active manager might be selling out of the ETF to lock in their
- 12:23gains, but that doesn't mean that the institution itself
- 12:25that's offering the product says, hey, this is a great time
- 12:28to buy by the dip. You know, part of the education
- 12:30and kind of just echoing the model that we've been saying,
- 12:32because obviously it's been a very, very profitable trade
- 12:35offering ETS. Obviously, as Nico Opti and
- 12:38myself would say, ETFs are a way to get exposure to the price of
- 12:41Bitcoin. But as we've seen, as history
- 12:44has repeated itself, you know, it doesn't always, not always
- 12:47the same, but it rhymes history that like when you own an ETF,
- 12:50you own an IOU on that Bitcoin. You do not own the Bitcoin
- 12:53itself. You do not have it in self
- 12:55custody as of right now. I know there's been talks to try
- 12:57and get it into self custody by doing in kind redemption,
- 13:00meaning be able to redeem your shares for Bitcoin that you send
- 13:03to your hardware wallet, but that is not the case today.
- 13:06So I do think as of right now that, you know, owning the ETF,
- 13:11know the risk, the risk that come with that, like you're
- 13:13owning an IOU, Opti, Niko. And I would say it's much better
- 13:16to have Bitcoin in your own self custody because it's something
- 13:19that you can control. It's something that no one can
- 13:20stop you from using. It's something that you know is
- 13:23under your purview and there's a way that you have to protect it.
- 13:25Obviously there's more responsibility that comes with
- 13:27that, but not your keys and not your cheese, as the saying goes.
- 13:31Love it, love it. Wait, Chris, sorry little story
- 13:34time here. I know you're here for all the
- 13:36different news we have. We have a jam packed show for
- 13:38you guys today. We have a, you know, if you're,
- 13:39if you're on the sidelines, you're a little scared.
- 13:41We got a great Jack Muller's clip to hype you up.
- 13:44And then we're going to kind of breakdown what came out of the
- 13:46first digital assets committee and some recent SEC news.
- 13:50It's honestly, it's a dumpster fire.
- 13:52I'm going to be completely honest with you here.
- 13:54And then of course, we're going to talk about proof of
- 13:56workforce. But before we do that, Chris,
- 13:58you were reminding me, you were saying the institutional
- 14:00managers, you know, trying to lock in that 16%.
- 14:03And it reminded me of my first, literally my first buy in my
- 14:07first buy, the first buy about $100 and the Bitcoin price like
- 14:11instantly dumped. As it always happens when you
- 14:14buy Bitcoin, it dumps on you. It's just like if I'm buying,
- 14:17you know, the price is going to be lower.
- 14:18But I remember I bought my first $100.
- 14:20It dumped down. I, I forget what it was, but it,
- 14:23it was like $100 went down to $95.
- 14:25And then that $100 instantly or like a couple days later
- 14:29rebounded. It went up to $110 And I was
- 14:32like, I'm the best trader ever. I'm going to log into 10% like
- 14:36I'm a genius. And then the price still kept
- 14:39running after that, and I instantly had to buy some more
- 14:42Bitcoin. So as you can tell, I'm guessing
- 14:45the institutional managers, all these people, they're kind of
- 14:47thinking that same Fiat perspective where it's like, let
- 14:50me lock in the 16% gain because I literally did the same thing
- 14:54years ago. And you just reminded me of that
- 14:56story. I I completely forgot about that
- 14:58story. But yeah, I think we all go
- 15:00through this. It's that's actually hilarious.
- 15:02They're just like feet up on the desk, like I've succeeded.
- 15:05I'm the greatest like smoking a cigar and drinking whiskey or a
- 15:08Scott like January like. And obviously, you know, I think
- 15:12in the long term, we'll see that the price runs away from them.
- 15:14And then they're like, shit, Like I left so much money on the
- 15:17table that I could have had. Yeah, exactly.
- 15:19So that's so funny. I I haven't thought about that
- 15:21story forever. Anyways, anyways, let's get into
- 15:24the rest of the show. But of course, guys, if you
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- 18:45Well, it looks like the chat is just like I am and they have no
- 18:49dry powder less to buy this dip. So hey, if you have dry powder
- 18:53in on the sidelines, it just means one thing you are not all
- 18:56in on Bitcoin. What are you doing smash by all
- 18:59of your remaining Fiat Anyways, we're over here on Clark Moody's
- 19:02dashboard and the current Bitcoin coin price $83,670.
- 19:07Guys, it's so over. Wrap it up.
- 19:09This show's done Bitcoin price is over.
- 19:12There's there's no more hope for us.
- 19:14It's a complete wrap Now obviously I'm joking and the
- 19:17stats per dollar, AKA how much Bitcoin you can buy for a single
- 19:19dollar AKA how much the US dollar shit coin is worth in
- 19:23Bitcoin is currently at 1195 stats per dollar.
- 19:28The current block height TikTok next block.
- 19:29Basically the most important number here.
- 19:31Is the block height that Bitcoin is.
- 19:33Running it's working new blocks are coming in it's currently at
- 19:37885,752 the market cap in Fiat IOU tokens is 1.66 trillion the
- 19:45Bitcoin versus golden market cap is at 8.33% remember when we
- 19:49were at 10% we were so high yeah that was fun that was that was a
- 19:52good week or two anyways the total percentage issued of
- 19:55Bitcoin that will ever be circulating is currently at
- 19:5894.43% roughly 19.8 million Bitcoin in circulation and the
- 20:03real. Monetary inflation, as we like
- 20:05to say, taking Fiat currencies to school, it's currently at
- 20:08.96%. This is the hardest money
- 20:11period. It's it's this is the best or
- 20:13value period guys, this, this number, if you don't know what
- 20:16this number means, it means this is the only thing you can save
- 20:20in because everything else is stealing from you.
- 20:22All right, guys. So as I was saying, you know,
- 20:25today's one of those days. Rather, this week is one of
- 20:28those weeks where, yes, you do have to kind of psyop yourself,
- 20:32brainwash yourself and remind yourself why you own Bitcoin,
- 20:36why you're in Bitcoin. This is when your stripes are
- 20:40earned. This is when you build that
- 20:42conviction. This is when everyone starts
- 20:44laughing at you, calls you an idiot, like, Oh my God, your
- 20:47price predictions are pure opium.
- 20:49And you're like, no, you just don't understand what Bitcoin
- 20:51is. And when you see clips like Jack
- 20:53Mahler's continue to spread that signal, you got to bring it on
- 20:56the show because I'm sure some people out there tuning in and
- 20:59they're like, man, I'm feeling wrecked.
- 21:01I'm feeling worn out. When is the price going to go
- 21:03up? Well, let's just get a little
- 21:05hype man from Jack Mahler's himself.
- 21:07Either wear you out or scare you out.
- 21:10OK, wear you out meaning what it's doing now.
- 21:13Exhaust you, tempt you with mean coins with Trump coin, make you
- 21:19go up then down and up then down and up then down.
- 21:22You're like, man, I thought this Jack guy said we were going to
- 21:24the moon. We have a lift on.
- 21:26I thought Bitcoin was going to fix the money, fix the world.
- 21:29I thought holding sacks and staying humble was going to
- 21:32solve all my problems. And it's going to exhaust you.
- 21:34It's going to wear you out and wear you down or it's going to
- 21:38scare you out. Sometimes this market will just
- 21:41take the seat right from under you.
- 21:42You ever been on those giant drop rides where they bring you
- 21:46up and then just whoosh and they just drop you down?
- 21:49You feel that gut wrenching fear in your stomach.
- 21:53That's what markets will do as well.
- 21:56Bitcoin will trade 25% down in one day and it'll scare you out.
- 22:00Like screw it, I'm out of this market.
- 22:02I don't fucking understand Bitcoin.
- 22:03At all. I don't trust these Bitcoin
- 22:05influencers. I don't trust the Bitcoin
- 22:07standard. St.
- 22:07Vanina Moose. These fucking guys are fucking
- 22:10cuckoo. So where you out or scare you
- 22:12out? And that's where we are.
- 22:15We're being worn out right now. I wouldn't be surprised if this
- 22:19market tried to scare you out as well.
- 22:21Is a, is a drop to 80 K impossible?
- 22:24No, not at all. I preach patience.
- 22:29I preach conviction. I'm an advocate of the trend.
- 22:32I'm an advocate of the fundamentals.
- 22:33I'm an advocate of math, of cryptography.
- 22:36Trading This market no bueno. You will get scared out.
- 22:40You will get worn out. And I'm telling you, I've been
- 22:42telling you since Thanksgiving, there's going to be a lot of
- 22:45volatility in the near term. This market's not going to run
- 22:48away yet. It's also not going to zero.
- 22:50We know that it's going to chop and chop and chop and chop and
- 22:54chop. So another week goes by.
- 22:57I've got relatively the same update.
- 23:00Stay focused, work hard, earn more than you spend.
- 23:05Stack sacks. Stay humble.
- 23:10This is what we're talking about, guys.
- 23:12This is what we always tell you every single day.
- 23:15As much as it's kind of our jobs here on Simply Bitcoin to cover
- 23:20the current news, which obviously revolves around the
- 23:22price of Bitcoin, it's now currently being revolved around
- 23:26stuff going on in politics. We all know what's really going
- 23:30on here. If you have studied Bitcoin and
- 23:32the price is a distraction at times yes, as the saying goes,
- 23:36you know, people come for the games, but they stay to fix the
- 23:39money. We all know how the Bitcoin
- 23:41cycles play out. When the price starts pumping,
- 23:43people get drawn into the space because of course they get
- 23:46caught up in this get rich quick scheme.
- 23:48But once they start to understand what Bitcoin is,
- 23:51you're, you're, you know, operating system starts to
- 23:54change and you start to realize, wait, there's something more
- 23:56here. And, and this very simple advice
- 23:59that Jack Mahler's constantly is preaching, we're constantly
- 24:02preaching the same thing here on the show is literally guys, all
- 24:04you have to do is work hard, live below your means, make sure
- 24:08that some of your excess, if you have access, you should have
- 24:11some access here from your paycheck is going into Bitcoin.
- 24:15Take that into cold storage and you just repeat the process.
- 24:18As a lot of people will tell you, you know, persistent and
- 24:21very boring systems are what gets you across the finish line.
- 24:25So yes, this isn't a glorious time in the Bitcoin coin space.
- 24:28Yes, you're being tested. All of us old school Bitcoiners.
- 24:31It even hurts for us seeing some, you know, 25% haircuts on
- 24:35our Bitcoin, you know, purchasing power.
- 24:38But we all have been through these cycles.
- 24:40So if you are kind of one of these people that are getting
- 24:43worn down, you're getting tired, you're starting to see the price
- 24:46volatility and maybe you're, you know, getting a little just
- 24:49getting starting to feel that fear in the pit of your stomach.
- 24:52Now is the time where you maybe want to go outside, you know,
- 24:55log off the Internet, just continue to the stack.
- 24:58Sats will be here for you guys when you come back and you need
- 25:01some more Bitcoin fill. But right now is the time to
- 25:03literally just double down on the basics.
- 25:05If you understand Bitcoin, you just need to continue to buy
- 25:08Bitcoin, take it in the cold storage, repeat this process, go
- 25:12outside, make sure you make sure you get some mental clarity out
- 25:15there, But I absolutely love this message from Jack Mahler's.
- 25:18This is why I brought it on today because it's a very
- 25:20fitting day going into the weekend.
- 25:21Of course, the price is dumping. People are like, how could they
- 25:24predict, you know, 6 figure plus mid, you know, almost half, 7
- 25:29million, half, 7 figure price predictions on Bitcoin.
- 25:33It's like we know where it's going, but in the short time,
- 25:36short term preference, it's like we, you know, it's volatile.
- 25:39We all know it's volatile in the sense that, hey, this is the
- 25:42Fiat markets, this is the traditional financial world
- 25:45basically reacting to a hard cap, limited money here, you
- 25:49know, something that cannot be debased.
- 25:51So it's not so much that Bitcoin price is volatile, it's that the
- 25:54world is volatile. So just buckle up.
- 25:56You know, you're earning your stripes.
- 25:57If you've been here for a while, like I see in the chat,
- 26:00everyone's like, man, this is fun.
- 26:01How can I be having so much fun when the Bitcoin price is
- 26:04dumping? As we covered in the beginning,
- 26:06this is very normal. I'm sure we're still going to
- 26:09see some price ripping. So shouts out to Jack Mahlers
- 26:11and shouts out to whoever edited that was a great edit.
- 26:14And that that's, I think one of those edits that you need to
- 26:16hear right now in the face of all the doom and gloom and
- 26:19uncertainty and the price crashing on us, this is what
- 26:23we're here for. We're, we're basically just
- 26:24moral support. This is like an, a, a group,
- 26:26guys. You know, we're here for
- 26:27entertainment. We're here to keep you updated
- 26:29on the news. But it's also like, guys, you're
- 26:31going to be all right. Just stack stats or have fun
- 26:34staying poor. Anyways, Chris, you've been here
- 26:38for a minute. What's your thoughts on this?
- 26:40You've seen a couple dumps. Is this normal?
- 26:43And what's your thoughts on that edit man?
- 26:45Great edit, by the way. I don't know whoever on Jack's
- 26:47team edited it, but was great edit with Dave Portnoy in there.
- 26:51The rocket ship going to the moon.
- 26:53No, I think it's times like these it's great to, you know,
- 26:56misery loves company or you know, maybe joy loves company as
- 26:59well. But just kind of like getting
- 27:01together with your homies and being like, no, this is when
- 27:03generational wealth is made, you know, buying the dip, you know,
- 27:06holding on, not panic selling out, not getting shaken out and
- 27:09giving your sats to Wall Street or the big banks or anything
- 27:13like that. This is the time, it's a buying
- 27:15opportunity. So that's what it is.
- 27:16And you know the best thing about this Opti, when Bitcoin's
- 27:19down 21%, you're all in, You know how much your net worth is
- 27:22down. So you know, it's very, it
- 27:24tracks very easy. You know, you just look, you're
- 27:26like, oh, shit, like it's down. But hey, I'm ever the optimist.
- 27:29There's an opportunity to stack a ton more because I know, you
- 27:32know, every all time high was once an all time high, meaning
- 27:36that in the future that all time high will be broken by a new all
- 27:39time high. So this is your time to buy the
- 27:41dip. Yeah, the Chad's cracking me up.
- 27:44Bitcoin is anonymous, meeting every weekday at 12:15 PM.
- 27:48Yes, this is what it is, guys. This is what it is.
- 27:51And really, you know it. Today's are the days.
- 27:54Or rather, this week is one of those weeks where you know, when
- 27:58people tell you you got lucky in Bitcoin, they really don't
- 28:01understand how hard mentally it is to actually huddle your
- 28:04Bitcoin, to continue to stack in the face of everyone telling you
- 28:08you're an idiot in the face of the price dumping on you.
- 28:11This is really the day days where you become a hardened
- 28:14Bitcoin and you're like, dude, after days like today or this
- 28:17week, nothing can change you. Nothing can, you know, shake you
- 28:21out of your position. And the people selling right now
- 28:24are very clearly people that just don't understand what's
- 28:26going on. So these are the days where
- 28:29you're you're going to look back on and when the people tell you
- 28:32you got lucky, you're going to be like, no, it wasn't easy
- 28:35losing 50, eighty, 25% of my purchasing power in a week.
- 28:40And I earned those, you know, 50, the 2080% hundred plus gains
- 28:45on your Bitcoin because you huddled in the face of everyone
- 28:48telling you that you should be selling.
- 28:49So keep stacking. This is the way.
- 28:52Anyways, Chris, I saw you wanted to jump back in.
- 28:54Yeah, I mean, just to your point, Opti, like it's very hard
- 28:57to show that on a chart, even if you zoom out like, hey, like,
- 29:00you know, prices going up a lot and then it chopped sideways and
- 29:03then it went down. Like it's hard to relay the
- 29:05emotions that you feel or like the situation that you're in or
- 29:08life going on, like, you know, you're going to have the trials
- 29:11and tribulations of life. Like, like, you know, you'll
- 29:13have a loved one that's gets lost at the same time you have
- 29:16one of your good friends has a kid.
- 29:17So it's like hard to describe the feelings just by like
- 29:20showing the metrics of a chart. But to your point, like these
- 29:23are the times when you have to buckle down, stay to the
- 29:25fundamentals, stay humble stacks at, you know, and keep trying to
- 29:28build generational wealth in this asset that's going to go up
- 29:31forever. You know, it's Infinity divided
- 29:33by 21 million. I know that that is.
- 29:36Oh my gosh, I'm drawing a blank on his.
- 29:37Name. Canute, thank you.
- 29:38Canute is the one that kind of brought forth that mean, but
- 29:41it's true. Like there's unlimited amount of
- 29:43dollars and there's the favorite, you know, quote from
- 29:45the Fed chairman being like, what's his name, Kalahari or
- 29:50whatever that he's like. Is there an infinite amount of
- 29:52dollars that you can print in the Federal Reserve?
- 29:53He's like, yes, there is exactly.
- 29:56He's like there's infinite numbers of dollars.
- 29:58So, you know, that means that dollars are worthless over the
- 30:01long run and Bitcoin's going to only get more valuable in dollar
- 30:04terms and in every Fiat currency.
- 30:06So, you know, why not have the hardest money the world has ever
- 30:09created right now? Let's go.
- 30:12Awesome. Wait, wait, wait.
- 30:14I just realized I haven't been hitting the horn enough on the
- 30:17show, so we're going to hit some horns today to get you guys
- 30:20hyped. Anyways, guys, before we move
- 30:21into the news, cover some stuff that I'm not so hyped on, but we
- 30:25got to do our duty due diligence and cover some other stuff that
- 30:28isn't so bullish. I want you guys to smash the
- 30:31like button. Let's get out.
- 30:32What do I need? I need 30 likes before the next
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- 33:30Anyways, moving on a little bit. So we got the first digital
- 33:34asset committee yesterday. Of course, if you guys have been
- 33:37following along, Senator Lummis is the heading this Digital
- 33:41Asset Subcommittee. And personally, the first one
- 33:46was kind of a let down, I'm not going to lie.
- 33:47So I'm going to break this down for you guys a little bit.
- 33:49We got an article here from Bitcoin Magazine and as the
- 33:52title, as you can read on the video, here's the headline.
- 33:55Stablecoins, not Bitcoin, is the focus at the 1st US Digital
- 34:00Asset Subcommittee hearing. So senators and key figures from
- 34:04the crypto industry discuss all things stablecoin at the first
- 34:06ever hearing hosted by the newly established Senate Banking
- 34:10Subcommittee on Digital Assets. Again, kind of disappointing.
- 34:15You guys know my view on stable coins.
- 34:17I'm not the biggest fan. A Bitcoin is my stable coin.
- 34:20You know, one Bitcoin equals one Bitcoin.
- 34:22But this is what they're discussing on the 1st Digital
- 34:26Assets Committee. So just breaking it down today.
- 34:29And this was this was Wednesday. So you know, yesterday we had
- 34:33Lop, I was trying to cover it yesterday, but kind of fashion
- 34:35the show around LOP about things he wanted to hit on or rather I
- 34:39knew he would would be able to hit on really well for you guys.
- 34:41So a couple days late, but it's still the point remains the
- 34:44same. So Wednesday, the Senate Banking
- 34:47Subcommittee on Digital Assets hosted its first hearing
- 34:50entitled Quote Exploring Bipartisan Legislative Framework
- 34:55for Digital Assets, at which certain members of the
- 34:57subcommittee and crypto industry witnesses predominantly
- 35:01discussed stable coin regulation.
- 35:04Senator Cynthia Lum is a long time proponent of Bitcoin and
- 35:07the digital assets industry presided over the hearing with
- 35:11assistance from subcommittee member Senator Rubin Galago from
- 35:14Arizona. Witnesses are we don't need to
- 35:17read that one. Setting the tune for the meeting
- 35:19Senator Lummus stated that she intends to do her part in
- 35:22passing bipartisan legislation for Bitcoin and stablecoins.
- 35:26And this was one of the few times during the whole meeting
- 35:28that the word Bitcoin was even mentioned.
- 35:30One of the only other times in the hearing was mentioned when
- 35:33Mossad voice that he's objected to the creation of a strategic
- 35:37Bitcoin reserve. And they are read referencing
- 35:40Tim Mossad, former CFTC chair and research fellow at Kennedy
- 35:44School of Government. So but throughout the hearing,
- 35:46Mossad stressed the importance of monitoring stablecoin
- 35:49transactions. He suggested extending the
- 35:51regulatory perimeter to address AML challenges associated with
- 35:55stablecoins and even propose that smart contract be designed
- 35:58in a way that mitigates the risk of bad actors using them.
- 36:02And we got a quote here and it goes.
- 36:03Our entire Bank Secrecy Act framework relies on central
- 36:06centralized intermediaries. Mossad calls on Congress to
- 36:11extend the regulatory perimeter and require stable coin issuers
- 36:14to aggressively monitor transactions and free stable
- 36:18coins. Literally highlighting one of
- 36:19the reasons why I'm not a fan of stable coins.
- 36:21But you know, we, we can chat about that later.
- 36:23We might program smart contracts so the transactions can't go
- 36:26through unless someone has been properly vetted.
- 36:28Honestly, that might have helped to buy bid hack.
- 36:30I mean, maybe maybe Ethereum should be taking some notes
- 36:34here. Obviously, I'm not advocating
- 36:36for that. On big, Mossad also suggested
- 36:39that stablecoin issued that we read that Massari pointed out
- 36:42that the authorities can also surveil stablecoin transactions
- 36:45as these assets run in public blockchain.
- 36:47She also called for sensible regulations around the
- 36:49technology so long as it isn't too heavy-handed.
- 36:53And you know, we've been saying this for a while.
- 36:55We saw this throughout the whole Biden administration is that
- 36:58they're over regulating. They're treating the Bitcoin
- 37:00industry, or rather the crypto industry at large, differently
- 37:03than traditional finances. Even though Elizabeth.
- 37:05Warren is saying the opposite. Oh, we need a fairground here
- 37:08between crypto and traditional finance.
- 37:11That isn't the case. And as you can hear here, we
- 37:14have a tendency when regulating financial services to take the
- 37:17new thing and cram it into the old, which is a common set of
- 37:20standards and something we've been talking about here on the
- 37:22show for a long time that you can't put Bitcoin into a box and
- 37:26yet they are going to do that. And so Cohen made a similar
- 37:30claim stating that crypto entrepreneurs in the US feel the
- 37:33constant threat of litigation, alluding to former SEC Cherry
- 37:36Gary Gensler's regulation by enforcement approach.
- 37:40Again, I'm going to double down on maybe Gary Gensler was a good
- 37:43thing when you follow this up with what we are seeing come out
- 37:48of the SEC and just put a pin on that one.
- 37:50So the last quote here is bipartisan support for crypto
- 37:53policy is no longer a distant goal on from the horizon.
- 37:56So I guess one good thing we can hear from this first digital
- 38:00asset subcommittee is that it's no longer just a Republican
- 38:04stance. As we covered this week, you
- 38:06know, Elizabeth Warren's crypto anti crypto army from the
- 38:09Democrats seemingly is capitulating and people are
- 38:12starting to move away from Elizabeth Warren.
- 38:14So now we are actually getting a conversation or about, you know,
- 38:18some regulations in the space that will benefit both sides of
- 38:21the aisle. So I think this is obviously
- 38:23healthy. Personally, I'm not a fan of the
- 38:26stable coins. You guys know, know my stance on
- 38:28this. If we, you know, you should
- 38:30watch the show. Senator Cynthia Thomas kind of
- 38:33did a little recap here. And this goes into my second
- 38:37point. So here's what we learned from
- 38:38yesterday's hearing. Most digital assets are not
- 38:41legally securities under the Howie test.
- 38:44What bullshit. Anyways, the United States is
- 38:48behind other countries and creating laws for digital assets
- 38:51and stable coins will bring our payment system into the 21st
- 38:55century. And as Walker said, it's like
- 38:57hardly any mentions of Bitcoin in this whole quote UN quote
- 39:00digital assets meeting. And the other thing that we
- 39:03heard come out yesterday, which is probably the biggest fumble
- 39:08we've seen so far in regards to the crypto space, is this
- 39:12headline. SEC says most meme coins are not
- 39:15security Incredible. Incredible.
- 39:18Again, I'm doubling down on the idea that maybe Gary Gensler was
- 39:21a good thing for investors out there.
- 39:25Maybe he wants a Bitcoin maxi. OK, just take down a little bit.
- 39:29The SEC issued long sought after guidance Thursday evening,
- 39:33saying it does not deem most mean coin securities under U.S.
- 39:36Federal law. Most mean coins quote typically
- 39:40have limited or no use of functionality and are more akin
- 39:44to collectibles. Well at least they got that
- 39:46right. There is no use in functionality
- 39:49meme coins. But hey, that's a totally
- 39:51different conversation I guess. Quote It is a division view that
- 39:56transactions in the types of meme coins described in the
- 39:59statement do not involve the offer and sale of securities
- 40:02Under the federal securities laws.
- 40:04Persons who participate in the offer and sale meme coins do not
- 40:07need to register their transactions with.
- 40:09The Commission, accordingly, neither mean coin purchasers nor
- 40:13holders are protected by the federal securities laws.
- 40:16It also said a mean coin does not constitute any of the common
- 40:19financial instruments specifically enumerated in the
- 40:23definition of quote a security because, among other things, it
- 40:26does not generate, yield or convey rights to future income,
- 40:29profits or assets of a business. In other words, a mean coin is
- 40:34not itself a security. And then it kind of, you know,
- 40:38references Donald Trump shit coin.
- 40:40It references some people saying that this is, you know, this is
- 40:43the regulatory clarity that we needed for the space.
- 40:46And again, it's kind of a it's kind of interesting that Gary
- 40:51Genser might have not been the bad guy after all, considering
- 40:54everything that has happened afterwards.
- 40:57Obviously, we are not here to advocate for the state to pick
- 41:01winners and losers. Bitcoin is a free market of
- 41:04money. But you guys know our stance
- 41:06here on simply Bitcoin. There is Bitcoin and there's
- 41:09shit coins and hey, look, I'm never going to tell you what to
- 41:11do with your money. If you want to go gamble, have
- 41:14fun buying meme coins. But if you're trying to save in
- 41:16something for the long term, there is only Bitcoin.
- 41:20So again, updating on the 1st digital asset subcommittee is
- 41:25really it's, it's not, it's not good, guys.
- 41:28I'm, I'm going to be serious, it's it's not good.
- 41:30The first conversation, the first meeting was all about
- 41:32stablecoins. Now the SEC is kind of backing
- 41:35off away meme coins saying it's, you know, not a security.
- 41:39At least they got one thing right that meme coins or shit
- 41:42coins at large have no use or functionality.
- 41:45I mean, I don't know, I I'm trying to spin this in a good
- 41:48way for you guys. We all know shit coins are
- 41:50trash. But yeah, this is where we are
- 41:53right now guys. So at the very least, it looks
- 41:56like if we are going to get a whole new round of shit coin
- 42:00degeneracy coming out of Wall Street and the political class,
- 42:04at least we know that bitcoins going to have cover.
- 42:07As the meme goes, for the longest that I've been in
- 42:10Bitcoin, the best use case for shit coins is basically giving
- 42:14Bitcoin cover. They go attack the shit coins
- 42:17first. Now it looks like we are just
- 42:19going to see a wave of insane shit coin degeneracy coming out
- 42:24from whoever the biggest name is on the block.
- 42:26I'm sure Wall Street's going to come in on this pile on on this,
- 42:29but that just means Bitcoins going to get out of the door.
- 42:32If Bitcoin just has a couple more years to kind of continue
- 42:35to capitalize on the, the uncertainty in the markets, I
- 42:39think we are going to see Bitcoin win.
- 42:43I think that's very clear that that is the case.
- 42:46Anyways. Chris, what's your thoughts?
- 42:48What's going on, on this? What's your first of all?
- 42:50Actually, just just go. It's, it's all, it's all kind of
- 42:53bad. Opti, you mean Shibu Inu, Obama,
- 42:58Clinton, Trump, Daddy doge isn't your like investment of choice?
- 43:03So no, I mean, to your point, I mean, I don't know how Senator
- 43:07Cynthia Lamas can say, you know, we're like evaluating using the
- 43:11Howie test. And I'm just going to go through
- 43:12the four components of the Howie test real quick here.
- 43:14To pass a Howie test or a transaction must meet all of
- 43:17these requirements. Passing is good is bad means
- 43:20that you are considered, you are considered a security.
- 43:22So it's not a bad thing or good thing.
- 43:23But like the Bitcoin doesn't meet Bitcoin does not meet the
- 43:26Howie test or does it fails the Howie test.
- 43:28So the investment of money the investor must pay must put money
- 43:32into the venture common enterprise.
- 43:34There must be a shared investment pool or project where
- 43:36all the investors are tied to the success of the overall
- 43:38adventure. Adventure expectation of profit.
- 43:41The investor must recently expect a profit from the
- 43:44investment and then last efforts of others.
- 43:46The profits must primarily come from the efforts of a promoter
- 43:50or other party managing the investment, not solely from the
- 43:53investor's own work. So basically this like looks
- 43:56like it lumps all cryptos that aren't Bitcoin into this that
- 44:00like basically, you know, even for meme coins, there's a
- 44:02promoter or people promoting it. You know, investors must expect
- 44:06a profit. I mean, I guess that's the one
- 44:07you could argue like, hey, I'm buying this meme corn, not meme
- 44:10coin, not to profit, but then that's like the most ridiculous
- 44:13thing ever. So I don't know, I just, I don't
- 44:16really buy this. It's so weird that, you know, I
- 44:18understand why the US government and why U.S. government
- 44:21officials would want to push stable coins because it's a way
- 44:24like as Mark and Whitney, Mark Goodwin and Whitney Webb have
- 44:27talked about this ad nauseam, that propagating stable coins
- 44:30are, one, the kind of like a de facto CBDC, and then two,
- 44:34they're also way to use and propagate the dollar.
- 44:36I mean, tethers, like I know they're one of the largest
- 44:38stable coin issuers in the world, if not the largest
- 44:41themselves. I think they're the largest, but
- 44:44they purchase like the 10th most treasuries, more than like the
- 44:48majority of nation states in the world.
- 44:49I think they purchase more than China, more than India, more
- 44:53than Brazil. And like, obviously these are
- 44:55like the BRIC nations that are trying to leave purchasing U.S.
- 44:58Treasuries because obviously the sanctions risk that comes with
- 45:00it. But you know, the US
- 45:01government's kind of between a rock and a hard place.
- 45:03They need someone to purchase their treasuries, not in order
- 45:06to have the bond market and the Treasury market explode
- 45:09figuratively, of course, not metaphorically or not literally,
- 45:12but like they need someone to purchase these treasuries.
- 45:14And when other large nation states aren't doing that, they
- 45:17need a way to propagate and prop up the dollar, prop up their
- 45:20treasury market to keep this Fiat Ponzi scheme going.
- 45:23So they're kind of called between a rock and a hard place.
- 45:25They would love to get rid of tether, but you know, they'll do
- 45:27the second best thing by Co opting it using the FBI, the
- 45:30SEC, the all these things to like basically stop or or block
- 45:34transactions from happening, which tether literally said two
- 45:37years ago. Like we're excited to announce
- 45:38that we've onboarded the FBI and the SEC.
- 45:41Like, you know, it's kind of, they were caught between a rock
- 45:43and a hard place, too. It's like if they were told they
- 45:44have to shut down or the founders might go to jail, like
- 45:47basically it's like, all right, they're either like, they're
- 45:49going to cooperate or you're going to see jail time.
- 45:51So I it's easy to see why they picked that.
- 45:53But at the same time, when you're using Tether and you're
- 45:56not using Bitcoin or any other stablecoin, you're at the mercy
- 45:59of that provider. And they can block transactions,
- 46:01they can reverse transactions, they can freeze your wallet
- 46:03where Bitcoin, that's not the case.
- 46:05So yeah, it's just kind of really a bummer to see that, you
- 46:08know, Senator Cynthia Lummis didn't talk much about Bitcoin
- 46:10at all. And then I definitely understand
- 46:12why they want to propagate stable coins.
- 46:13It's an easier way to push stable coins to the emerging
- 46:17markets or the third world. And then, yeah, it props up the
- 46:20Treasury market. But at the same time, yeah,
- 46:23like, I don't know how this article comes out saying we're
- 46:25using the Howie test, but then meme coins are don't meet the
- 46:29Howie test. It's like I have.
- 46:30I have no idea how you can see the logic with both of us,
- 46:33unless the investors are just like, we're buying this as a
- 46:35token and we expect to lose money.
- 46:37But let's be honest, like Twitter and X, like the the
- 46:39mania is crazy over there. They all expect to make money.
- 46:42Look at like Davey day trader is just an example.
- 46:45So yeah, I don't think you're like kind of talking out of both
- 46:47sides of your mouth. Like we're using the Howie test,
- 46:49but mean coins fail the Howie test.
- 46:51It's like I I don't see the logic, but I'm not.
- 46:53A1 Yeah, I adore a politician, but yeah, 100% agree.
- 46:58Great take, Chris. And as someone said in the chat,
- 47:02have Chris repeat this, then drop the horn.
- 47:04But I'm not going to repeat that.
- 47:06But Chris, dropping the sauce on us.
- 47:08All right guys, the show's not over.
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- 49:16Well, Chris, thank you for filling in on such short notice
- 49:20today. But how you doing man?
- 49:22It's been a minute. What are you working on?
- 49:24How's life over there at proof of workforce?
- 49:27Let's actually, let's just start with, let's do just ATTLDR, you
- 49:31know, a short summary. What is proof of workforce?
- 49:33What are you working on? And then we'll talk about some
- 49:35new developments. Yeah, so proof of workforce is
- 49:37kind of the brainchild of Dom Bay.
- 49:39So I don't know if anyone knows Dom Bay or Baywatch one on
- 49:42Twitter. He's a great dude, firefighter
- 49:45out in the California area, out in the LA area.
- 49:48So he's doing well. His house is all right, his
- 49:50family's all right. But I know many people were
- 49:52affected by the LA fires that happened just recently, a couple
- 49:55months ago. So he was fighting those.
- 49:57All is good on the home front there.
- 49:58But as I say, in Dombey, kind of his brainchild was basically
- 50:01that he wanted like there's all this talk of financial
- 50:04institutions or, you know, Bitcoin companies or Bitcoin for
- 50:08businesses or Bitcoin for corporations.
- 50:10But aside from you guys and like, you know, giving the
- 50:13everyday plebs kind of understanding of Bitcoin,
- 50:16basically he wanted proof of work first, which is someone
- 50:19that's a blue collar worker for the everyday man, for the wage
- 50:22earner, for people that have pensions, you know, government
- 50:25officials and stuff like that. So he wanted to help the
- 50:27everyday man and learn about Bitcoin and a way that, you
- 50:30know, there's always talks of Wall Street and I know Max
- 50:33Keiser has many great rants that pension funds are basically just
- 50:36where toxic, toxic waste from Wall Street goes to die.
- 50:39But we want to try and revolutionize the pension
- 50:42industry by putting Bitcoin on their balance sheets in order to
- 50:44pay people. And I understand it like the
- 50:46pensions themselves, people see them as evil, greedy, you know,
- 50:49a lot of times they're done by, you know, they're managed by
- 50:53bloated bureaucrats. But we're trying to change that
- 50:55because at the end of the day, pensions are what some people
- 50:58that are normally a public servants or people that work for
- 51:01corporations, if they're depending on their for their
- 51:03livelihood, you know, when they retire, you know, you assume you
- 51:06have a little bit of a four O 1K or 4O3B as, you know, an
- 51:09investment fund, you know, and then they have pensions, but
- 51:12you'd hate to see those go bankrupt.
- 51:13And you know, while some people like the, the managers people
- 51:17don't like or the people that run the pension funds, but the
- 51:19people that they help, it goes a long way.
- 51:21So we're just trying to educate about 1 putting Bitcoin on
- 51:25pensions balance sheets to make sure that they're healthy and
- 51:27they stay alive, while at the same time, you know, it's kind
- 51:29of like a, a slide of hand orange peeling.
- 51:31Like, Hey, you're hearing about, you know, Bitcoin going into
- 51:34your pension fund, but like learning about orange peeling
- 51:37people that are everyday workers, Like you don't have to
- 51:39rely on a pension, you don't have to rely on Social Security,
- 51:41you don't have to rely on 4 O1 KS because there's a whole, you
- 51:44know, the all when we unpack it all, like a lot of those
- 51:47industries can be predatory and in the long run might not be
- 51:50able enough to afford you a comfortable retirement.
- 51:52So it's a way for everyday wage earners and blue collar workers
- 51:56to learn about Bitcoin and that's the avenue that we're
- 51:58trying to go to get them to buy into it.
- 52:01Yeah, I think it's incredible work you guys are doing, but
- 52:03like just to kind of give some context here, like how big of a
- 52:07problem is the pension funds? You know, 'cause I look, I don't
- 52:11have a pension, you know, like I'm all in on Bitcoin, no
- 52:14strings here, no Plan B. So for people that maybe aren't
- 52:18familiar with this, how big of a problem is this pension fund
- 52:21thing? It's a huge problem.
- 52:23I mean many pension funds. So I'll go over the basics.
- 52:26So normally pension funds have, you know, obviously when you
- 52:29work for a government, for the for government or for a
- 52:31corporation, pension funds have to pay out with their retirees
- 52:35over time. So they have assets and they
- 52:36have liabilities. So the assets are what they buy,
- 52:39you know, a mix of stocks, bonds, you know, mutual funds,
- 52:43sometimes even REITs, real estate investment trusts, all
- 52:46these different assets in there. And then as the baby boomers or
- 52:50as the traditional generation retire, they have to pay out.
- 52:52So they have to, you know, they're buying assets with their
- 52:55current members. So, you know, if you're working
- 52:58for a government or a corporation that still has
- 53:01pensions, normally you have the the working age, let's call it
- 53:04just 22 or 18 to let's just say about 65 when many people
- 53:08retire, all those people are paying in every month to go into
- 53:11the pension. And then on the backside you
- 53:13have the retirees. So anyone that's 65 and up, you
- 53:15know, as a general rule that retired, they're pulling, you
- 53:18know, a monthly, basically a monthly dividend or they're
- 53:21getting paid out from the pension.
- 53:22So you have people buying assets on the one side, then you have
- 53:25retirees withdrawing or selling some of those assets.
- 53:28And then hopefully the assets are growing fast enough in order
- 53:32to meet the demand. Obviously, pensions were a great
- 53:34idea in the 40s and 50s when we were coming back from war.
- 53:39You know, a lot of people were, you know, coming back from World
- 53:41War 2, they were, you know, they wanted a way to secure
- 53:44retirement. And a lot of people that were
- 53:46retiring, the older generations that were tiring, the
- 53:48traditional generation, they had this boom, the baby boomers as
- 53:52like going contributing into 401K.
- 53:54So in the 40s, fifties, 60s, and even the early 70s a lot, there
- 53:58was a lot more people in the workforce paying into this and
- 54:01versus the people that were collecting from it.
- 54:03So you know, that works all fine and dandy until you start to see
- 54:07your population either stagger, so not grow as fast or start to
- 54:11decline. It becomes a real big issue
- 54:12because then you have more people who are in retirement
- 54:15versus people that are contributing or putting into
- 54:17this. So, you know, one of the things
- 54:20is obviously if you have a superior asset that outperforms
- 54:23or appreciates in value much faster than you can not escape,
- 54:28but kind of grow your way out of it because of the asset class
- 54:30growing fast enough. So that's a big part of it.
- 54:33And then, yeah, I mean, but there's literally, quite
- 54:35literally trillions of dollars locked up in pension funds.
- 54:38And a lot of times they have mandates, like I said, like the
- 54:41US government or municipalities or states need to buy their
- 54:43bonds. So a lot of times they push
- 54:46their bonds into pension funds, requiring them to buy them.
- 54:49So when you know the traditional 80408020 portfolio of 80% stocks
- 54:53and 20% bonds, well that becomes an issue when the bonds are
- 54:57devalued. Obviously we heard in 2023 when
- 55:00they had the BTFP program, which is by the, you know, the bank
- 55:04funding, bank term funding program.
- 55:06It's called the by the effing paper is, you know what many
- 55:08bitcoiners are saying. But basically when you're having
- 55:11that bonds get devalued because interest rates are going up or
- 55:14money printing is occurring, you know, obviously those are
- 55:17becoming worthless or worth a lot less.
- 55:19So normally the benchmarks for pensions are 70% of funded means
- 55:24that you know, your liabilities to assets means that you only
- 55:27have 70% of the assets to cover 100% of your liabilities.
- 55:30So 70% is kind of the danger mark where if you're like,
- 55:33you're like teetering, it's not really great.
- 55:34It's not really not good, it's not bad.
- 55:36But if you start falling below, that becomes an issue when you
- 55:39get to 40% liability or assets to liabilities, that means that
- 55:44the pension fund is defunct. And there's many across the
- 55:46United States that are that are in that case, meaning that if
- 55:50you're at 40%, there's no way that you're going to be able to
- 55:52outgrow or outpace. And basically the pension funds
- 55:55going to have to fold. And at the end of the day,
- 55:57that's, you know, grandmothers, grandfathers, you know, elderly
- 56:00people that they're going to lose some of their income
- 56:03because of the negligence of the fund manager or because of just
- 56:06really bad policies and decisions that are being made.
- 56:10So obviously, you know, while politicians can kind of skate
- 56:12free or even the fund managers can just leave the job or
- 56:15whatever, these are everyday Americans or even just everyday
- 56:18workers across the world that are going to lose their
- 56:20livelihood. So that's really unfortunate.
- 56:22So that's why Dom and I are going in talking about Bitcoin,
- 56:24you know, talking about, you know, personal finance
- 56:27responsibility and kind of stacking sats in order to hedge
- 56:30that risk. Yeah, and that's the thing that
- 56:32I love about this the most is that you're trying to reach out
- 56:36the everyday person to make sure they understand Bitcoin.
- 56:40And as as I think it's anyone knows if you ever go to the US
- 56:42debt clock, you know, the unfunded liabilities.
- 56:45I haven't even looked at it in a couple of weeks.
- 56:46It's crazy. It's I don't even know what
- 56:49hundreds of trillions of dollars.
- 56:50It's insane. So.
- 56:52I think it's well over 200 trillions of dollars.
- 56:54So it's it's it's insane. But then Opti, to your point,
- 56:57you can keep the two of us up here.
- 56:59But like it it's you know, you can get mad at the system, but
- 57:02at the end of the day, it's like every day's, you know, every day
- 57:05citizens lives. And I'd hate to see millions of
- 57:08of Americans be destitute or not have money and not be on the
- 57:10streets. And it's kind of dominized way
- 57:12of being like, yeah, like this pension.
- 57:14We'd love to get Bitcoin on the on the pension balance sheet.
- 57:16But when you're working with, you know, everyday workers or
- 57:18blue collar workers, they're like, wait, like, what if my
- 57:20pension's buying this? Like maybe like invest into it
- 57:23And almost we're trying to orange peel them in reverse.
- 57:25Like we're talking to the pension funds saying, Hey, you
- 57:27want to cover your liabilities by putting Bitcoin in your
- 57:29balance sheet. But the same day pensions are
- 57:31just a collection of workers that are putting into this or
- 57:34retirees. And like, hey, maybe it makes
- 57:36more sense for you to, you know, take responsibility for
- 57:39yourself. And instead of worrying about
- 57:40your pension, your Social Security or 4O1K paying out,
- 57:43like you know, you can take Bitcoin on your own personal
- 57:45balance sheet like you and your loved ones, you can buy it
- 57:48yourself. And then that is a way to, you
- 57:50know, hedge responsibility or take on full responsibility and
- 57:53understand the asset class, learn about Bitcoin and learn
- 57:56how this can save from like a deflationary or from like a Fiat
- 58:00inflationary crash or hyperinflation basically.
- 58:02So it's kind of our way of orange peeling pensions, orange
- 58:04peeling workers. We literally, quite literally
- 58:07have thousands of workers that are part of proof of workforce
- 58:10that are learning about it, whether they're part of pensions
- 58:12that have put that coin on their balance sheets.
- 58:13And we've had a huge success rate.
- 58:15Obviously pension funds, they can go any route they want.
- 58:17They can, they can invest in MicroStrategy.
- 58:19It's not something that, you know, if they want to do that,
- 58:21they could do that, they could buy the ETF.
- 58:23We don't advise for that. Our biggest thing is we'd love
- 58:25for them to buy it and put it in self custody themselves and then
- 58:28have the pension funds or the workers manage it themselves.
- 58:30So we've had a great success rate that the majority, if not
- 58:33all of them have bought Bitcoin themselves, withdrawn it to self
- 58:37custody. And then you know, the next
- 58:38issue when you're a pension fund, you know, it's not just
- 58:40like you can put it in a single sig, you know, a foundation
- 58:44passport and just throw it in your desk.
- 58:46Yeah, you can do that. But there's succession planning.
- 58:48So normally when you're president of a pension or if
- 58:50you're a president of a labor union, like there's term limits,
- 58:53you know, you're there for three years, five years, 10 years,
- 58:55whatever it may be. Well, how do we guarantee that
- 58:58that guy didn't write down the seed words and like steal the
- 59:00money? So a lot of times we have them
- 59:02in two or three setups. Or you can use companies like
- 59:04Casa or Unchained or companies like that to do collaborative
- 59:07custody that like, hey, this is part of the pension.
- 59:09If this Bitcoin moves, you know, we have like liability.
- 59:12Like we could go after someone looking at what key was used to
- 59:15move the Bitcoin. And like, you know, like,
- 59:17basically you're building a legal entity around the Bitcoin
- 59:20that you have in self custody for the pension.
- 59:22So there's ways to protect the workers from not just someone
- 59:25being like, hey, yeah, I'm going down to Mexico, you know,
- 59:28sweeping the funds, retiring or never to be heard from.
- 59:30So we're trying to build out policies, procedures and ways to
- 59:33help the pension funds in any way in terms of what Bitcoin is,
- 59:36how it works. You know, Dom and I take calls.
- 59:39We get way less calls when when Bitcoin dumps, if anything,
- 59:42they're like they're calling us to to buy more.
- 59:45But, you know, when it goes up, you know, they're not like
- 59:47panicking or freaking out or saying they should sell or buy
- 59:50more. So yeah, that's kind of what Dom
- 59:52and I have been working on since September of 2023.
- 59:55Love it. And how like you just said, it
- 59:58seems like the narrative around Bitcoin is is starting to kind
- 1:00:02of break out of this just like niche Internet thing.
- 1:00:05It's like it seems like people are actually taking Bitcoin.
- 1:00:08Seriously, and I think you're in a good space where you know,
- 1:00:10people that manage pension funds, it's they're probably the
- 1:00:14most conservative investors period.
- 1:00:17And now they're looking at Bitcoin.
- 1:00:19And this is what we always say Bitcoin is our stable coin.
- 1:00:21And once you understand, once that clicks, you realize, wait,
- 1:00:24if I want to hold something long term, it needs to be in Bitcoin.
- 1:00:28And it looks like what you guys are doing is a testament to
- 1:00:30that. So love to see it.
- 1:00:32Yeah. And I'll add one more thing.
- 1:00:34So many of the workers, obviously, you know, maybe
- 1:00:36they're a little bit older than us.
- 1:00:38We were kind of young when the 2008 great financial crisis
- 1:00:41occurred. But many of these guys that are
- 1:00:43older than us, we're looking at, you know, Wall Street and Wall
- 1:00:47Street kind of walked away, skate and free, clean, you know,
- 1:00:50free and clear. Basically, like a lot of
- 1:00:52Americans lost their houses, unfortunately, because of loans
- 1:00:56that were pushed by, you know, financial institutions.
- 1:00:58And I'm the first to say, you know, you got to take financial
- 1:01:00responsibility for things that you did.
- 1:01:02But many of these financial institutions, one like only one
- 1:01:05banker of all of the whole great, great financial crisis
- 1:01:08went to jail. You know of that.
- 1:01:11Many of them got huge bonuses, billions upon billions of
- 1:01:14bonuses were paid out in 2008 and 2009 still.
- 1:01:17And it was kind of like the status quo, like they took
- 1:01:19advantage of the everyday working man.
- 1:01:21And so a lot of the workers are pension funds.
- 1:01:23They've seen that the ETFs have gone live.
- 1:01:24And yes, it gives Bitcoin more credence and credibility.
- 1:01:27But at the same time, they don't want to hold an ETF that makes
- 1:01:30the companies and these the financial institutions that
- 1:01:34bankrupted America and basically them and their pensions.
- 1:01:37They don't want to make them rich.
- 1:01:38So they see Bitcoin as an Ave. to be like still be part of the
- 1:01:41winning team without going through BlackRock, without going
- 1:01:45through Fidelity, without going through these other financial
- 1:01:48like intermediaries or players. While they collect a fee while
- 1:01:50you're holding it, they'd much rather buy it and hold in self
- 1:01:53custody. So it's kind of like really
- 1:01:54reassuring that Dom and I are very happy about that.
- 1:01:57Obviously, if a pension is not ready to do that, you know,
- 1:02:00there is responsibility that comes with self custody in your
- 1:02:02keys. We're we are willing to help
- 1:02:03them and you know, can kind of guide them with getting an ETF
- 1:02:06that they want. That's, like I said, not our
- 1:02:08preferred choice, but it's just something that we can go and
- 1:02:10advocate and help, you know, pensions or even everyday
- 1:02:13workers learn about. Love it man, love it.
- 1:02:16Great, great work. All right, let's let's talk.
- 1:02:18I, we, we've talked about some of the stuff you guys have been
- 1:02:21working on when Dom came out and I think 2 weeks ago.
- 1:02:23But let's plug your recent, recent network here, your
- 1:02:27channel over on YouTube. What are you guys doing over
- 1:02:30here? And you know, what can the
- 1:02:32people expect from the latest drop of the Proof of Workforce
- 1:02:36channel on YouTube? Yeah, so once again, it's Dom
- 1:02:39Bay and I We're just kind of doing an everyday podcast, the
- 1:02:42222 Bozos talking about Bitcoin, you know, trying to help unions,
- 1:02:48firefighters, you know, police officers just helping learn
- 1:02:52about Bitcoin. We're trying to do a much
- 1:02:54shorter like news show. So it's like, you know, 2025,
- 1:02:57thirty minutes Max. Sometimes we go a little bit
- 1:02:59over that, obviously, but we try and just keep it short, sweet
- 1:03:03and talk about everything Bitcoin, the news of the week.
- 1:03:06And yeah, that's kind of what we're building out right now.
- 1:03:08So there's room for everyone to win in this space.
- 1:03:11And yeah, we're just kind of building out this slowly and
- 1:03:13surely. And and you're doing this every
- 1:03:17week that's. Yep, Yep, every week.
- 1:03:19So Dom and I, Dom's actually traveling this week, so I'm
- 1:03:21doing a solo RIP later today. That'll be out early next week.
- 1:03:24He did a solo RIP as well yesterday.
- 1:03:26So, but yeah, we're trying to put a ton of content over there
- 1:03:29and working on clips. I think, I think the one thing
- 1:03:33the audience wants to know before we wrap up today's show
- 1:03:35is are they going to get Dom Bay impersonations over at the Proof
- 1:03:40of Workforce YouTube channel? Always, always Dom loves doing
- 1:03:44the impersonations, but you know, sometimes they're actual
- 1:03:47real callers. So you have to be to listen to
- 1:03:48the podcast to see if it's actually Dom impersonating or
- 1:03:51the actual actual caller calling in.
- 1:03:53So. I love it, man, love it
- 1:03:55actually. What last thing I want to ask,
- 1:03:58and I know you guys are official here, very professional, so
- 1:04:02might not be able to do it, but is there anything in the
- 1:04:05pipeline that the people should be expecting?
- 1:04:07Is there some recent news, some news that might be dropping?
- 1:04:12Can you give some sneak peeks to the people out there?
- 1:04:15We are in talk with a few unions and we are in talk with a few
- 1:04:19very large pensions about talking about Bitcoin.
- 1:04:22So I can't drop. I'll let Dom do the news of the
- 1:04:25drop when that occurs. But we are in talks with a lot
- 1:04:27of people. So very cool.
- 1:04:30Dom, you know, kind of wears many hats and he does a lot of
- 1:04:32the phone calls, but pulls me in as needed for any, any education
- 1:04:36or help that he needs. Love it.
- 1:04:39Well, shouts out to the incredibly hilarious duel that
- 1:04:44is Chris and Dombey. Chris, thank you so much for
- 1:04:47coming on the show today. You guys will be seeing Chris
- 1:04:50Moore on the show. He's going to fill in here and
- 1:04:53there a couple times a month hopefully.
- 1:04:55And you guys know me and Chris are a perfect balance.
- 1:04:57I give the 45 IQ take, He gives the 120 IQ take here.
- 1:05:01So you get a good little balance when Chris and I come on the
- 1:05:03show. But Chris?
- 1:05:04You're too kind, Doctor. You're very, very smart.
- 1:05:07You're you're too humble. No, dude, we're low in the IQ 35
- 1:05:11IQ Chris plug, plug your socials and then I'll wrap up today's
- 1:05:15show for the week. Yeah, so I'm on Twitter, but I
- 1:05:18have or X, you know, I refuse to call it X, but basically I'm on
- 1:05:21Twitter there. I'm not on it much now, Crystal
- 1:05:23Lamo 6, but I'm mainly on Noster, so you can find me at
- 1:05:27primal.net back slash Crystal Lamo on Noster.
- 1:05:32So yeah, on Domus, on Primal, any of the clients love using
- 1:05:35Nostril and building out that infrastructure and that protocol
- 1:05:39there. Love it, Chris.
- 1:05:40Well, let me pull you behind the scenes as I wrap up today's
- 1:05:43show. All right guys, there you have
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