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From the Bottom of My Heart · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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Speaker 1: with i R Radio. Hey guys, and welcome to the
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Speaker 1: Almost In this podcast, we've got two episodes this week
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Speaker 1: because we've got two episodes of The Bachelor. Today, Ben
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Speaker 1: and I will be recapping the women Tell All episode,
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Speaker 1: which was relatively outrageous. Ben, before we get to that,
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Speaker 1: how have you been the past week or so? I've
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Speaker 1: been great. Uh, you know, actually I wanted to start
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Speaker 1: this podcast out because of just some messages that I've received,
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Speaker 1: and I'm sure people are wondering obviously, Uh, the last
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Speaker 1: week has been difficult. Uh, you know, it's it's odd.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if our parents and our grandparents, we
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Speaker 1: would have to get somebody that's that's been around a
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Speaker 1: little bit longer than us. But it feels like in
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Speaker 1: the last couple of years, we just continue to get
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Speaker 1: our world's rocked by news and updates and things happening.
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Speaker 1: And I just got back from a Lune um with
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Speaker 1: an organization. I joined the board of Project Hope and
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Speaker 1: they have a few people over in Poland and Ukraine
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Speaker 1: right now helping set up refugee camps and humanitarian um
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Speaker 1: health care efforts and uh, it's a weird thing to
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Speaker 1: sit in that meeting, come back here and talk about
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Speaker 1: the wom until especially with how outrageous the wom until
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Speaker 1: all was, and it just makes me say, you know,
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Speaker 1: let's start. It made me want to start this episode
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Speaker 1: by saying, if you are somebody out there that want
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Speaker 1: to support UM an organization that is boots on the
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Speaker 1: ground giving great updates. Uh, they've been all over MSNBC
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Speaker 1: and CNN and Fox, every big outlet project hopes out there.
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Speaker 1: UM it's uh, you know, from today's meeting, I I asked,
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Speaker 1: I said, you know, where does this go? You know,
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Speaker 1: they've been a part of disasters and refugee crisis is
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Speaker 1: all over the world. They said, they've never seen anything
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Speaker 1: quite like it, and it's only going to get worse
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Speaker 1: where people are going to continue to pour into these
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Speaker 1: surrounding countries and the infrastructure or just isn't They're like,
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Speaker 1: you know, you're these are small countries. These are like, uh,
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Speaker 1: these are almost the size of the states in the US,
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Speaker 1: and millions of people are pouring into him now needing
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Speaker 1: just the essentials in life. And so it's important for
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Speaker 1: us here at the podcast, I think to advocate on
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Speaker 1: those refugees, behalf and to say, hey, if you want
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Speaker 1: to help, Um, obviously, donations and funding is the most
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Speaker 1: important thing. Uh, it's needed, it's necessary and uh and
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Speaker 1: it's also I know for a lot of people, uh,
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Speaker 1: the war going on over there right now, it's just
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Speaker 1: really hard to conceptualize and understand. Uh. And that's not
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Speaker 1: your fault. I think most people in the world are
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Speaker 1: trying to understand why this is happening and where it's
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Speaker 1: coming from. So um, yeah, on behalf of the the almost
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Speaker 1: this podcast, we recognize how difficult this is and know
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Speaker 1: that you know, ultimately the Bachelor traditionally has been an
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Speaker 1: escape from the things going on in the world. But
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Speaker 1: sometimes and it feels like more than ever here recently
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Speaker 1: over the last couple of years, Um, the escape just
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Speaker 1: isn't exactly um healthy, and we have to still lean
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Speaker 1: in and recognize the stuff going on. So yeah, it
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Speaker 1: feels like everything that I complain about my life is
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Speaker 1: just so silly these days. I just feel dumb for it.
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Speaker 1: And the yeah, talking about the Bachelor sometimes can feel
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Speaker 1: silly too, So yeah, it does, but it is our
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Speaker 1: job and that is why we're here. But it doesn't
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Speaker 1: mean we have to neglect that things going on outside world.
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Speaker 1: So again, if you want to help, Project Hope is
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Speaker 1: out there. Almost Famous podcast is backing and supporting and
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Speaker 1: trying to keep up with everything going on around the world.
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Speaker 1: And we know that for many people there's a lot
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Speaker 1: of pain um but we will take this time to
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Speaker 1: recognize that and then move in to what is As
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Speaker 1: Ashley said, a week will we will do doing two
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Speaker 1: episodes of the Almost Famous podcast because there's two episodes
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Speaker 1: of The Bachelor. Ashley, I don't want to be a
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Speaker 1: Debbie downer, but every every year, this is not just
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Speaker 1: this episode. Every year. I just don't enjoy the live shows.
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Speaker 1: Get rid of them. I don't enjoy them. I don't Oh,
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Speaker 1: I don't you know, Ben, I thought you were going
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Speaker 1: to say, let's be gentle, like we've been hating, but
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Speaker 1: but you're not going there. I don't think we've been
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Speaker 1: hating now recently, Like I will say, the last few weeks,
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Speaker 1: well last week I really enjoyed well and I'm into
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Speaker 1: this this season like I'm I'm watching Clayton's story unfold.
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Speaker 1: I'm watching the women that he has around and that
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Speaker 1: he's let go some of them. I'm still invested in
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Speaker 1: their stories, uh, you know, and what we'll see them
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Speaker 1: on Paradise or not. I think this season overall has
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Speaker 1: had some really slow moments and some really like it
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Speaker 1: definitely started out incredibly painfully slow, but it's like the
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Speaker 1: first episode. I don't know, we've been a little bit
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Speaker 1: like back and forth because there's been some episodes that
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Speaker 1: we've been like really like this one, really hated this one.
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Speaker 1: You know, at least it's at least we have the ups, right,
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Speaker 1: But I think after watching this this live show, I mean,
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Speaker 1: we have to get rid of them. They're just they're unnecessary.
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Speaker 1: They give us like the double week, you know, where
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Speaker 1: it's not like we're missing out, don't know, a week here,
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Speaker 1: we're getting an extra episode. So let's just forego that
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Speaker 1: extra episode because it's not enjoyable the whole. It took
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Speaker 1: me so long to get through this, Ben, I mean yes,
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Speaker 1: partially because I have a kid now, and partially because
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Speaker 1: we're moving. We're moving into this house, so it's like
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Speaker 1: everything like I pressed stop, I prest stopped it, I
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Speaker 1: first stopped. It took me four hours to get through
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Speaker 1: this hour and a half episode. Yeah, partially because like
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Speaker 1: I'm distracted, and I have other things that take precedent,
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Speaker 1: but but mostly well not mostly, but secondarily because it's
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Speaker 1: just like I'm not like into this episode. I just
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Speaker 1: haven't been for a while. It's it's just screaming at
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Speaker 1: each other. It's just noise to me. And now when
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Speaker 1: you're bullying the bully, it's it's unhealthy ash And you
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Speaker 1: think it's unhealthy, well idea, I mean I don't think
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Speaker 1: it's why because like they're encouraged basically to just be
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Speaker 1: loud and go sit in go sit in front of
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Speaker 1: a bunch of people. It's your last shining moment on
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Speaker 1: national television. Make a name for yourself. And historically how
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Speaker 1: people make names for themselves is by going out the villain,
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Speaker 1: going out the easy target. And I get this, Sometimes
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Speaker 1: that feels appropriate and it feels like that person has
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Speaker 1: warranted everything you're saying to them. But in any other
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Speaker 1: situation in life, actually we don't have this thing happen
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Speaker 1: where we sit in a room and we just bash somebody,
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Speaker 1: even if they've hurt us. There's healthier ways to heal
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Speaker 1: on the move on. Now, I will say this, I
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Speaker 1: didn't want to over like state I still like after
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Speaker 1: the final rose, I actually enjoy seeing the people together. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I think what you mean by that. It's just the
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Speaker 1: tell all. The tell all just never does it for me.
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Speaker 1: It never seems good for me. It never gets anyone anywhere.
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Speaker 1: All it is is regurgitates drama and then the draba
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Speaker 1: doesn't get solved. And I mean, at the same time,
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Speaker 1: if we're invested into this story, worry there's almost this mark.
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Speaker 1: And as we watched the journey unfold, we're watching you know,
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Speaker 1: women mature, We're watching uh, whoever the Bachelor Bachelorette is,
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Speaker 1: We're watching their journey unfold. Now. It just said it
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Speaker 1: feels like we rehashed stuff from months ago. Um and
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Speaker 1: and it just I don't know. For me, I watched
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Speaker 1: this episode, was like, it feels unhealthy for me to
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Speaker 1: watch this because here's what I do. Tell me if
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Speaker 1: you do or not from crazy, Like we all know
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Speaker 1: like Shane did not like make a great impression in
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Speaker 1: this house. We know that she did things that we
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Speaker 1: watch and we're like, that's manipulative. We know that she acted, uh,
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Speaker 1: we know that she Fate cried, we know that she
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Speaker 1: led people on, like we know all of this now okay,
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Speaker 1: And so I watched this and there's this side of
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Speaker 1: me that's like, yeah, get her, get her, go at
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Speaker 1: or go at her, and then I pull back. I'm like, wait,
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Speaker 1: that's not the human I want to be. But this
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Speaker 1: episode makes me say that and think that, And if
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Speaker 1: I didn't feel that way, then I'm doing what you
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Speaker 1: and I probably did. After we kind of like got
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Speaker 1: out of our hole, like yeah, get the villain mentality,
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Speaker 1: then we just disconnect from the episode because none of
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Speaker 1: it seems fun to watch. We're just like, yeah, that's
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Speaker 1: just stupid. I'll take it a step further. By the
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Speaker 1: way that the girls acted towards Chaney, it makes me
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Speaker 1: a little more sympathetic. It makes me actually like oddly
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Speaker 1: sympathetic for her, or like has me like liking her
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Speaker 1: more because they're so they're just so ridiculous. I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I just about these girls, like getting on her the
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Speaker 1: way that they did was like, Okay, did she really
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Speaker 1: affect your life that much? Did you really like do
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Speaker 1: you really think about her every night before you go
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Speaker 1: to bed? Yeah? Well, wo mean, we've we've talked about
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Speaker 1: on the podcast before, right, there's been now women from
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Speaker 1: this season who have partied with signs that say en
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Speaker 1: like um and and I don't know at all, Like
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Speaker 1: I I don't know her personally. I don't know if
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Speaker 1: she's enjoying this attention. I don't know she hates it.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if it's also maybe like mentally, really
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Speaker 1: disrupting how she sees herself. And yes, I will say
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Speaker 1: of the best parts about the show is you you
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Speaker 1: see yourself um on camera and maybe just maybe you better.
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Speaker 1: You've become a better person because of the mistakes that
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Speaker 1: you made on television. That's a great thing to do.
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Speaker 1: But also there's this, there's this flip side where like
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Speaker 1: it does mean you had a great run on this show.
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Speaker 1: I had a run. I've always said the show has
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Speaker 1: been really good for me. I've had very little controversy
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Speaker 1: and pain associate with the show outside of like normal
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Speaker 1: life circumstances. And it's still the criticism still hurts me,
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Speaker 1: Like it still puts me in a bad space even
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Speaker 1: to this day. I cannot imagine, Ashley. I cannot imagine
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Speaker 1: if I had a whole show dedicated to just shitting
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Speaker 1: on me, like the whole time, Like that is so
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Speaker 1: terrible to think about how a human must feel and
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Speaker 1: it's so terrible to think that a human wants to
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Speaker 1: do that to another human. Yeah, I think that the show,
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Speaker 1: lettell All, has probably gone downhill since it's become a
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Speaker 1: Paradise tryout, because don't you think that's what it is now? Well,
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Speaker 1: it's just like these girls fighting for like the statement
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Speaker 1: that gets a reaction so that they have camera times
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Speaker 1: that they have a better chance of going to paradise.
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Speaker 1: By the way, Um, I've got i a cream in
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Speaker 1: my eye right now, so I'm not crying. I just
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Speaker 1: you can't open my eyes. I just leaning into the crying.
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Speaker 1: You feel so emotionally pulled towards this episode that you're crying.
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Speaker 1: I just can't open my eyes. Um No, And you know,
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Speaker 1: and maybe this is a good topic now to switch into.
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Speaker 1: Uh do you think Ashley that those big comments this
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Speaker 1: controversy being the loudest at the woman to all, do
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Speaker 1: you really think that? Do you think the producers are
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Speaker 1: looking at that being like this is a good moment
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Speaker 1: for them and now they're going to be on paradise
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Speaker 1: Because I feel like the producers are not swayed by
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Speaker 1: who the most outspoken is. And I also don't feel
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Speaker 1: like today, or at least in the last few seasons
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Speaker 1: since really Chad Johnson, that Paradise has involved all of
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Speaker 1: somebody only to build up controversy. Now they've had drama like, hey,
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Speaker 1: you slept with somebody outside the show, and you slept
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Speaker 1: with that person too, let's show up at the Paradise
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Speaker 1: and rehash it. But the villain, it's the villain themselves
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Speaker 1: typically come on Paradise to redeem themselves, not to continue
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Speaker 1: to be the villain. Right, yeah, right, I don't think
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Speaker 1: it's like so much of a villain thing as it is,
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Speaker 1: just like you getting your face on screen. So it's like,
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Speaker 1: I really do feel like the I mean from firsthand experience.
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Speaker 1: I just remember back then. I mean, and that was
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Speaker 1: the only that was only the second season of Paradise.
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Speaker 1: But the producers definitely are putting in girls ears backstage.
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Speaker 1: You say this, you make a splash, there's a better
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Speaker 1: chance of you going to Paradise. So I do think
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Speaker 1: these girls are fighting for airtime because if they say
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Speaker 1: something splashy, they get on TV, they get on Paradise,
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Speaker 1: and then people you know, of course, when they hit Paradise,
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Speaker 1: they people forget what they ever said during women tell All,
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Speaker 1: Like I really think it's a matter of just minutes
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Speaker 1: on screen. Okay, well I also want to you know,
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Speaker 1: my only experience is from my time on the show.
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Speaker 1: I've been a part of two tell alls. One was
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Speaker 1: during Caitlin Bristow season. Okay, um, a little controversy amongst
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Speaker 1: the men, not a lot, like the house pretty much
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Speaker 1: got along. So who did they go after? Who was
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Speaker 1: the Who was their villain that they went after? Was
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Speaker 1: Caitlin because you know it was you know, the whole
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Speaker 1: slut shaming with Caitlin was the big conversation. So some
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Speaker 1: of the men were like, it was unfair. I remember
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Speaker 1: one of the guys, I forget his name at this point,
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Speaker 1: you know, he was spouting off at Caitlin, how unfair
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Speaker 1: it was that she did this and she did that.
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Speaker 1: I was like, you were there two days, like those
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Speaker 1: people all sit down. You don't know, Caitlin, she doesn't
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Speaker 1: even know your name right now. She had to get reminded,
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Speaker 1: probably before she even walked out, like, sit down and
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Speaker 1: stop talking. So then I had my Bachelor season. Who
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Speaker 1: was who the women go after? That season? It was Olivia?
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Speaker 1: How ridiculous? Do people look now that they went after
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Speaker 1: Olivia during the women tell all, Like, so my point
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Speaker 1: to this is, Okay, she might be a true like true,
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Speaker 1: she might have been awful to be within the house.
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Speaker 1: I don't know. We saw what we saw. We've experienced
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Speaker 1: what we experienced. But what are you getting out of it?
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Speaker 1: That's that's the point. You don't get anything out of
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Speaker 1: ever hating on somebody, especially publicly. You're going to regret
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Speaker 1: it later. That person is probably gonna be hurt by you.
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Speaker 1: You're not bringing any life or joy or kindness to
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Speaker 1: the situation. And I bet sev of these people that
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Speaker 1: were spouting off at a probably have some little quote
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Speaker 1: on their Instagram it says like be kind for everybody
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Speaker 1: you know is going through. It's ridiculous. Actually, it makes
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Speaker 1: me so upset, makes me so upset. Let's go through
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Speaker 1: a couple of the lines that I really thought were
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Speaker 1: truly ridiculous. One Genevieve said, is she wearing a diaper
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Speaker 1: when she went up on stage and her panty line
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Speaker 1: was showing? Like really? And then there was the other
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Speaker 1: girl who said, like, honestly, like I, from the bottom
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Speaker 1: of my heart wants you to go to hell, or
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Speaker 1: like want you to stay in random mass Ohio or
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Speaker 1: something like that. It's like, okay, fine, So maybe she
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Speaker 1: didn't say from bomb my heart I want you to
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Speaker 1: go to hell. She said from the bottom of my heart,
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Speaker 1: I want to I don't know. Do we have the
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Speaker 1: actual quote? Come on, I'm part of the Midwest. Oh,
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Speaker 1: here it is here. It is from the bottom of
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Speaker 1: my heart. Okay, that's how bad it was. From the
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Speaker 1: bottom of my heart. Bless your heart, suck you, and
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Speaker 1: then it goes you can rot. You can rot in
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Speaker 1: Ohio for all I care. That's what she said. I
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Speaker 1: don't even know. Without her name is lindsay, Like, are
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Speaker 1: you really have this strong of feelings of hatred for
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Speaker 1: this woman? It makes me judge you that you are
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Speaker 1: hating her so much. It's just it's kind of the
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Speaker 1: whole thing. It's it's an interesting study on human behavior too,
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Speaker 1: because maybe, you know, the better option here would have
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Speaker 1: been for one of these women who haven't been around
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Speaker 1: a long time, who don't really even the name of,
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Speaker 1: who are probably released within still when they were living
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Speaker 1: at the mansion, what if they just stood up and
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Speaker 1: was like, we're like kind like, what if they what
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Speaker 1: if they're like, hey, this doesn't feel healthy, Like what, Well,
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Speaker 1: there are some girls who definitely stayed quiet, and I
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Speaker 1: respect them for that, but is that okay? Like what
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Speaker 1: if what if somebody there would have been like, you
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Speaker 1: know what, this just feels like it's getting to be unhealthy,
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Speaker 1: Like what at this point are we proving? Are we?
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Speaker 1: And And hey, I get it when somebody when you
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Speaker 1: you're when you're yelling at somebody and the mob comes
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Speaker 1: out and that person screening back at you and they're
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Speaker 1: defending themselves, you know, still, like I get that, there's
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Speaker 1: like anger build up. I think it just goes back
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Speaker 1: all of it. This whole episode, at least that the
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Speaker 1: part about when all the women were sitting down, it
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Speaker 1: just felt unfun for me to watch. And maybe I'm
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Speaker 1: alone in that, Maybe you and I are on our
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Speaker 1: own little island and in that, but I have a
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Speaker 1: feeling that a lot of the people that are listening
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Speaker 1: to this podcast right now, I would say that that
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Speaker 1: didn't feel like a good couple hours of television to them.
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Speaker 1: They didn't feel like it was a positive or even
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Speaker 1: fun escape from the craziness of their worlds. I bet
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Speaker 1: it felt like it will it brought a heaviness even
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Speaker 1: to the evening that just felt like, Hey, I was
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Speaker 1: I had been fine just not watching it. I bet
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Speaker 1: you a lot of people turn it off. I'll be honest.
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Speaker 1: If we didn't do this episode, yeah, I would have
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Speaker 1: turned it off. That's a big statement. You would have
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Speaker 1: turned it off. You just said I don't need it.
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Speaker 1: I don't need it because it doesn't perpetuate the storyline,
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Speaker 1: like I'm not missing anything from the next episode if
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Speaker 1: I don't watch this episode. Well, and I'm going to
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Speaker 1: do a poll on my Instagram tonight during the airing
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Speaker 1: of this, like after the first hour. I want to
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Speaker 1: see if people actually want more tell alls okay, or
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Speaker 1: whether they turned it off. I'm actually gonna say, did
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Speaker 1: you turn it off? Can I steal that idea from you?
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Speaker 1: Because I never know what to do on Instagram and
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Speaker 1: so be great if I could just steal that because
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Speaker 1: you're always good at it and I don't know that
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Speaker 1: giving you content. Hey, um, before we take a break here,
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Speaker 1: let's and this was something really positive? Can we Um,
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Speaker 1: We're gonna take a break and we're gonna say happy
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Speaker 1: birthday to you, Ashley. This is your birthday week Um,
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Speaker 1: we love you, we celebrate you. We're so thankful for you.
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Speaker 1: And now your mom. I bet that feels weird celebrating
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Speaker 1: a birthday as a mother. Um, but just happy birthday, ash, oh,
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Speaker 1: thank you. You know what, it was different celebrating our
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Speaker 1: birthday as a mother. I had more gratitude for my mom,
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Speaker 1: and I'm like, wow, birthdays are really more about the mom.
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Speaker 1: It's like on his birthday, I'm gonna be thinking about
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Speaker 1: like what I went through that day, Like how special
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Speaker 1: that day was. I think it's like birthdays are like
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Speaker 1: way bigger of a deal for the mom. That's all.
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Speaker 1: That's incredible. Well, um, your mom is also awesome. We
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Speaker 1: love your mom, so you know she should she should
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Speaker 1: feel celebrated also. Well, hey, let's take a break. Um,
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Speaker 1: we're in a cut now. We're not gonna talk about
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Speaker 1: anymore this. We we've got it all out. We said
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Speaker 1: we don't like it, will pull you to see if
18:02
Speaker 1: you like it. When we come back, we're gonna talk
18:04
Speaker 1: about how Clayton UM's time goes as he confronts the
18:08
Speaker 1: ladies on the wom until all. Alright, So yeah, let's
18:21
Speaker 1: talk about Clayton and how the women responded to him
18:25
Speaker 1: once he sat down. It was it was kind of
18:28
Speaker 1: weird um standout moments. The physician from Philadelphia whose name
18:35
Speaker 1: I don't know but I just know her title, she
18:38
Speaker 1: said something along the lines of, like, you really messed
18:42
Speaker 1: up like you you like got a lot of out here,
18:45
Speaker 1: Like we really piled it on you and you deserved
18:47
Speaker 1: most of it. Did he really? I don't like he has.
18:53
Speaker 1: He really made a lot of bad decisions thus far.
18:55
Speaker 1: I know the women have a big issue with the
18:58
Speaker 1: fact that Elizabeth was a limb. Did when she and
19:02
Speaker 1: she Need stuck around? Like, I get it, he spent
19:06
Speaker 1: he he has she need They're too long. But is
19:09
Speaker 1: there anything else up until this point that he really
19:12
Speaker 1: messed up on I don't think so, unless she's referring
19:16
Speaker 1: to whatever happens in the next episodes, because we also
19:19
Speaker 1: got that in this episode, which we've never gotten into
19:23
Speaker 1: tell all before we had Teddy and who was the
19:26
Speaker 1: other woman who said something about what actually ends up happening?
19:32
Speaker 1: Is it? Was it Sierra? Was it? Sierra? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah.
19:36
Speaker 1: So both of them say like, I I'm I have
19:40
Speaker 1: privileged information, I know what goes on, and I just
19:43
Speaker 1: want to say like, oh, I hope you're doing fine,
19:48
Speaker 1: but like ouch, basically we never got It's like they
19:52
Speaker 1: wanted us to get a teaser. That's never like a
19:55
Speaker 1: good thing for anybody. I mean, you know, I've had
19:58
Speaker 1: some pretty terrible breakups, not terrible, just like really heavy breakups,
20:03
Speaker 1: heart breakups, if any I mean, I've probably said it
20:06
Speaker 1: to them just because you're angry. But like if any
20:08
Speaker 1: point you're like, hey, ouch, like I know, I know
20:12
Speaker 1: you make a lot of mistakes. I hope you're doing good,
20:14
Speaker 1: but you really suck. That is never that is not cool. Now,
20:21
Speaker 1: I think I have a theory. Do I think Clayton
20:25
Speaker 1: is uh a tremendous bachelor. I don't know if we
20:29
Speaker 1: have the stuff to to judge that on. I mean, obviously,
20:33
Speaker 1: you know bachelor's are judged by a few things. How
20:36
Speaker 1: they how they yeah, longevity, how they cultivate and and
20:41
Speaker 1: and work through drama and chaos, and if they can
20:44
Speaker 1: kind of cool the situation down a little bit and
20:46
Speaker 1: move on. I don't know if he did a great
20:48
Speaker 1: job of that. I do feel like he kind of
20:49
Speaker 1: walked away from a lot of the drama and kind
20:51
Speaker 1: of let it happen for a long time, and I
20:53
Speaker 1: think that was a mark. I have a feeling after
20:56
Speaker 1: watching this the women were upset with him because they
21:02
Speaker 1: feel like they never got to know him because I
21:05
Speaker 1: think the one thing Clayton did, and I don't know
21:07
Speaker 1: if this is good or bad, is he definitely showed
21:10
Speaker 1: favoritism to the people that he was really into and
21:12
Speaker 1: the people that he wasn't really into. I just don't
21:14
Speaker 1: think he really gave him the time of day. And
21:16
Speaker 1: as a result, that's so weird you said that, because
21:20
Speaker 1: when I was talking to Jill from Rhode Island before
21:23
Speaker 1: the season even aired, I was like, how was Clayton
21:26
Speaker 1: like overall? She was like, well, it was so obvious
21:30
Speaker 1: if he liked you, and if he didn't like you,
21:32
Speaker 1: like you got no attention and you it was just
21:35
Speaker 1: blatantly obvious. Yeah, So they don't like they didn't probably
21:38
Speaker 1: feel like they had to or could protect him because
21:40
Speaker 1: they're like, we I don't even know you, Like, you're
21:42
Speaker 1: just a guy that is sitting in front of me
21:44
Speaker 1: that I maybe had two conversations with, but you never
21:46
Speaker 1: invested into me. You never sat with me. And I
21:50
Speaker 1: can't say that's a bad move, right It's his journey,
21:52
Speaker 1: and it's not mean of him to not like talk
21:56
Speaker 1: to every all or thirty women that were there. But
22:00
Speaker 1: I bet some of them are a little hurt by that,
22:02
Speaker 1: like you didn't even give me a chance? Sure, I mean,
22:06
Speaker 1: has he been a fantastic bachelor? No, but has been
22:10
Speaker 1: Has he made a ton of mistakes? No? I mean
22:15
Speaker 1: love to Peter Weber, friend of the show, love having
22:18
Speaker 1: him on a guest as a guest on this show,
22:20
Speaker 1: But he made a lot more mistakes at the Bachelor
22:22
Speaker 1: than Clayton has thus far. And I mean Peter, Yeah,
22:26
Speaker 1: and again we love Peter, but Peter kept making mistakes
22:28
Speaker 1: even after his time as the Bachelor was done, Like
22:30
Speaker 1: he was making mistakes on the live show like he
22:33
Speaker 1: was so we can say it here. Yeah, I mean,
22:35
Speaker 1: it just wasn't his deal. I don't think Clayton has
22:37
Speaker 1: been a bad Bachelor. I think, um, you know obviously
22:40
Speaker 1: that what we're gonna see tomorrow night, uh is going
22:44
Speaker 1: to be interesting. I don't think it's a good look
22:46
Speaker 1: for him. I don't probably think it goes well for him.
22:48
Speaker 1: I do think it will probably be the defining moment
22:52
Speaker 1: of his season, and so maybe we'll have a different
22:54
Speaker 1: opinion after we see it and say, yeah, he hasn't
22:56
Speaker 1: been like this was bad buddy, UM, just from all
22:59
Speaker 1: the heasers and kind of how the women reacted and saying, oh,
23:02
Speaker 1: I know what happens, and that was bad. His demeanor
23:06
Speaker 1: sitting up there. Yeah, I think he's scared to death. Yeah,
23:09
Speaker 1: I think it looked like to me, and I know
23:11
Speaker 1: that feeling. Obviously we've seen that. You know he sleeps
23:15
Speaker 1: with multiple women. Obviously I have. I told multiple women
23:19
Speaker 1: UM that I love them. So I don't have a
23:22
Speaker 1: lot of place to judge UM or criticize. In fact,
23:26
Speaker 1: I have none, but I will say that I know
23:28
Speaker 1: the feeling of sitting up in front of a live
23:30
Speaker 1: audience being like, oh crap, this only gets worse, This
23:34
Speaker 1: is only going to get worse for me. UM. But
23:38
Speaker 1: he did look scared to me. I think he's really
23:41
Speaker 1: also looks sad, and Teddy said something like I hope
23:45
Speaker 1: you're doing okay. Yeah, And to me it almost seems
23:49
Speaker 1: like a spoiler between the comment and his facial expression.
23:55
Speaker 1: He just looks like he doesn't end up with anyone.
23:57
Speaker 1: And I know that's what people have been saying since
23:59
Speaker 1: the very beginning. I don't know spoilers. I don't want
24:01
Speaker 1: to know spoilers, but it's almost like it's spoiling itself. Yeah,
24:05
Speaker 1: I haven't. I don't have a spoiler this season. I
24:06
Speaker 1: do feel like, you know, I think it's Ryan and
24:10
Speaker 1: Kelly always get the question, or Ellen always gets the
24:12
Speaker 1: question are you happy? And he you know that happens
24:15
Speaker 1: every year, and he I feel like he answered it
24:17
Speaker 1: with yes, I'm happy. I would have a feeling if
24:20
Speaker 1: he doesn't end up with anybody, Um, he's probably not.
24:24
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe he's happy now, But what's the chances
24:28
Speaker 1: actually that all three of the last women just walk.
24:34
Speaker 1: I guess it's pretty high. But I can't possibly think
24:37
Speaker 1: it's gonna just be because he sleeps with multiple women
24:41
Speaker 1: in the fantasy suite. I mean that happens all the time.
24:44
Speaker 1: I know, I always hammer home the fantasy suite isn't
24:48
Speaker 1: about sex. So many fantasy suites go on without there
24:52
Speaker 1: being sex. Right, he can't be the first person to
24:55
Speaker 1: sleep with all the women or the lead I guess
25:00
Speaker 1: bachelor or Bachelor like he just he and how many
25:03
Speaker 1: seasons we've had. He cannot be the first to have
25:06
Speaker 1: sex with each person in the fantasy suite. That's just
25:09
Speaker 1: certainly not. Now, he might be the first to talk
25:12
Speaker 1: about it, but he's definitely not the first to like
25:16
Speaker 1: have it happened. Like, there's just no shot. Now. I
25:18
Speaker 1: know people I know leads who have not had like,
25:22
Speaker 1: like any physical intimacy with anybody in the fantasy suite.
25:24
Speaker 1: They've spent that time doing other stuff and they don't
25:26
Speaker 1: feel like it was appropriate. Fine, but I I know
25:30
Speaker 1: that he can't be the first. He just can't. He's
25:34
Speaker 1: he's not. And you know that all the leads will
25:40
Speaker 1: not all of them. I don't know. I would assume
25:43
Speaker 1: that the leads who do end up sleeping with multiple
25:45
Speaker 1: people in the fantasy suite end up telling the person
25:48
Speaker 1: that they choose that that did happen with other people,
25:52
Speaker 1: right sort of because they're because they're afraid that they're
25:56
Speaker 1: going to find out one way or the other. I
25:58
Speaker 1: would think, I mean, yeah, I'm sure some have, and
26:02
Speaker 1: that is the kind of relationship you have and kind
26:03
Speaker 1: of where you're at. I think also, um, and and
26:07
Speaker 1: this used to be a conversation that we would have,
26:10
Speaker 1: so I know like some of the ways to go
26:12
Speaker 1: about it, and I know how some people have gone
26:14
Speaker 1: about it like at some point too. It's kind of
26:18
Speaker 1: you know, you're entering into a new relationship and so
26:20
Speaker 1: you know, you there's always the two kind of past.
26:22
Speaker 1: When you go into a new relationship, do you talk
26:24
Speaker 1: about your past people? Right? Do you do you talk
26:27
Speaker 1: about who you've been with and and who you've cared for,
26:31
Speaker 1: or do you decide as a couple like, hey, let's
26:34
Speaker 1: just not talk about it, right, this is the relationship
26:36
Speaker 1: we're now, we're moving forward. The other people that have
26:40
Speaker 1: came before you like, they've had a place in my life,
26:43
Speaker 1: but we're just it's not important for anybody here to
26:45
Speaker 1: know about that. And I mean, I think there's two ways,
26:48
Speaker 1: and so maybe they talk about it, maybe they don't.
26:51
Speaker 1: If I would have given advice to somebody like try
26:54
Speaker 1: not to, Like, it just doesn't feel like it's so
26:57
Speaker 1: soon and so sudden that you're like, yeah, last week, sorry, um,
27:02
Speaker 1: I don't know. It just doesn't feel like it ends
27:03
Speaker 1: well ever. But but is that going to be a
27:06
Speaker 1: breaking point for all three of these women? I think
27:12
Speaker 1: it was going to be. You would think that they
27:14
Speaker 1: would say it up front, be like, because that's what
27:17
Speaker 1: happened with Maddie remember during theater season, not to draw
27:20
Speaker 1: some Ney comparisons, but she basically was like, if you
27:24
Speaker 1: do sleep with other girls, like I'm out of here.
27:28
Speaker 1: I think that's a fair standard to set. Like if
27:29
Speaker 1: that's what you, I think, so oh yeah, I mean
27:33
Speaker 1: you know, you're getting engaged, like you would think that
27:36
Speaker 1: that person would also say it up front before. I
27:39
Speaker 1: think that's part of it. Yeah, yeah, but I do
27:42
Speaker 1: think that's part of it. Um. I would be shocked.
27:48
Speaker 1: You know, two of the women at this point have
27:50
Speaker 1: told Clayton we've seen on camera, like, hey, explore other relationships,
27:54
Speaker 1: Like at the end of this, if you're gonna be
27:56
Speaker 1: with me, I want to know that you're with me
27:58
Speaker 1: because like you explore or everything, and you found out
28:01
Speaker 1: just how much you care for me. Gabby said that.
28:05
Speaker 1: I believe Susie said that. Um, I think that was
28:08
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, I think it was Susie and Gaby.
28:11
Speaker 1: I would be shocked if, especially Gabby, just how she
28:15
Speaker 1: phrased it, and how confident she was and saying it,
28:17
Speaker 1: and just kind of how she's gone about this whole process,
28:20
Speaker 1: if she would be like super upset with him if
28:22
Speaker 1: he came to her and was like no, I did.
28:24
Speaker 1: I think she would probably be okay, but I don't know.
28:28
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm assuming there. Um. The only reason I
28:32
Speaker 1: would see that all three of these women would leave
28:35
Speaker 1: is because for some reason they've gotten their hearts set on.
28:37
Speaker 1: Like Clayton's their husband, and he you know, they just
28:41
Speaker 1: have to wait out the time, and he's just kind
28:42
Speaker 1: of waiting out the time, and then all of a
28:43
Speaker 1: sudden he comes in. It's like, yeah, but I actually
28:45
Speaker 1: love all three of you, and I've been intimate with
28:48
Speaker 1: you all and like that breaks these women's hearts so
28:52
Speaker 1: much that they're like, I saw you as my husband,
28:54
Speaker 1: and now I know as I was seeing you as
28:56
Speaker 1: my husband, you were also sleeping with somebody else, and
29:00
Speaker 1: as a result, I just can't be here for this anymore.
29:02
Speaker 1: I could see that happening. I could. I don't know
29:05
Speaker 1: if it happens, I just could see it. There's a
29:07
Speaker 1: discrepancy here, though, because he says I love or I
29:11
Speaker 1: fell in love with three people, but he only says
29:15
Speaker 1: I slept with both of you. So when does the
29:18
Speaker 1: drama actually go down? And is it about sleeping together?
29:23
Speaker 1: Is it about the I love yous? Or is it
29:25
Speaker 1: about something totally different. I think it might be a
29:28
Speaker 1: surprise and we haven't even seen a teaser. For the
29:31
Speaker 1: reason that it all goes crumbling down. Well, I'm in
29:34
Speaker 1: for it. Actually, we're gonna be watching it. Um. I'd
29:37
Speaker 1: say that, you know, the big takeaway from all of
29:39
Speaker 1: this during the woman tell all for Clayton is he
29:41
Speaker 1: did look scared. He did look sad. If I was
29:43
Speaker 1: to read body language, Uh, I don't think he thinks
29:47
Speaker 1: these last couple of weeks are gonna be that fun
29:48
Speaker 1: for him, not only publicly, but also emotionally. Uh. And
29:54
Speaker 1: it looked like out of any bachelor I've seen in
29:57
Speaker 1: a long time, it looks like he's like really nervous
30:02
Speaker 1: about the weeks to come. I feel like really bad
30:05
Speaker 1: for him. Yeah, I mean because well, I mean people
30:11
Speaker 1: call me boring all the time. People called me you
30:13
Speaker 1: know that stuff you can get over right, you can
30:16
Speaker 1: kind of joke about it in your friends and family.
30:18
Speaker 1: You know, they still say it to me today. If
30:20
Speaker 1: if like, I'm like, you know, I was trying to
30:22
Speaker 1: defend clay and I was like, you know, he's not boring,
30:24
Speaker 1: He's not boring, Like he's he's just a human trying
30:27
Speaker 1: to do this thing. They're like, yeah, if you're boring,
30:28
Speaker 1: that means like you're normal. And I'm like, okay, well
30:30
Speaker 1: that's nice, Like that's kind of you to say to me.
30:32
Speaker 1: But it still doesn't feel much better when people are
30:34
Speaker 1: saying it. But you can get over it. It It doesn't
30:36
Speaker 1: haunt you forever. People call you boring because you're not
30:39
Speaker 1: the most entertaining lead of all times. Uh. But I
30:45
Speaker 1: do feel like he's gotten a lot of hate. I
30:47
Speaker 1: do feel like he has gotten a tremendous amount. I
30:51
Speaker 1: just don't know how many people are a team Clayton. Um.
30:54
Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at social media, his following
30:57
Speaker 1: is so low, like he doesn't have the one thing
31:00
Speaker 1: that helps when you're a leader and you're on the
31:01
Speaker 1: show is for his mean as the public are to you,
31:06
Speaker 1: you typically have like people in your corner that are
31:09
Speaker 1: following you in social media or whatever, supporting you. And
31:12
Speaker 1: I look at that, I'm like, he doesn't even have that,
31:14
Speaker 1: Like I hope he knows that he's not He's not
31:19
Speaker 1: bad like he's he's been. He's doing the best he can. Now.
31:22
Speaker 1: He hasn't made all the perfect decisions, but he's doing
31:24
Speaker 1: the best he can. But we'll see Astley the next
31:27
Speaker 1: couple weeks. Though, just based on on what we we know,
31:30
Speaker 1: the teasers and all that, I do think this might
31:33
Speaker 1: get harder for him, and maybe some of the dislike
31:36
Speaker 1: or whatever is warranted at some level. I just don't
31:40
Speaker 1: think it gets easier. I just feel like he's sitting
31:43
Speaker 1: there thinking, what did I do to myself? Oh jeez.
31:47
Speaker 1: I just don't know if the Batchel, I mean, Nick
31:48
Speaker 1: Nick Vile and I've talked about it many times, and
31:50
Speaker 1: I don't know if if the Bachelor is a great
31:52
Speaker 1: gig anymore. I just don't know if it leads to
31:55
Speaker 1: great things. Yeah, I don't know. There's one a lither
31:59
Speaker 1: thing to talk about about. Okay, I think, what's that Sarah?
32:03
Speaker 1: Because we all know that Sarah left because he couldn't
32:08
Speaker 1: quite trust her, kind of thought that she was putting
32:10
Speaker 1: on an act. And then she gets up there says, no,
32:15
Speaker 1: he really did cry during our first one on one,
32:18
Speaker 1: and then minutes later, the question is asked to him
32:22
Speaker 1: in the hot seat, It's like did you cry and
32:24
Speaker 1: he's like, no, I didn't cry in any of our dates,
32:27
Speaker 1: and she just caught red handed, and it's really awkward. Yeah,
32:31
Speaker 1: why does she do that? Like, why did she do that?
32:34
Speaker 1: It's I mean it's like filmed, you know, like there's
32:36
Speaker 1: there's very good proof to all of this, like you're
32:39
Speaker 1: not getting away with much. Like, yeah, that that's weird.
32:42
Speaker 1: I kind of forgot about that. But yes, that's odd
32:45
Speaker 1: and awkward and just yeah, weird. There's a good point
32:51
Speaker 1: to bring up though. But no, she caught is caught
32:53
Speaker 1: red handed. And um, maybe I mean maybe it was
32:57
Speaker 1: right that he didn't he didn't trust her. Maybe he's
33:00
Speaker 1: all through some of this stuff. Yeah, I can't think
33:02
Speaker 1: of anything else that was a real standout moment though, No,
33:05
Speaker 1: neither can I. But we do have bachelor headlines, and
33:08
Speaker 1: there are a few of them. So let's take a
33:09
Speaker 1: break here. Actually, when we come back, we're gonna break
33:11
Speaker 1: down bachelor headlines with Ashley I con Eddie Bachelor headlines.
33:25
Speaker 1: Here it is, and here is the headline. I spent
33:29
Speaker 1: four thousand to be on the Bachelor and I got
33:32
Speaker 1: sent home the first night. This according to Insider, So
33:38
Speaker 1: so juicy. First off, Ben, how much did you spend
33:41
Speaker 1: before going on the Bachelorette Me? Yeah, I know exactly.
33:46
Speaker 1: I mean I went and I got three suits from Coals,
33:49
Speaker 1: I got them tailored at the mall, and I bought
33:52
Speaker 1: a new pair of shoes. So probably three in bucks. Okay,
33:59
Speaker 1: So I certainly didn't spend four tho dollars. Um, but
34:05
Speaker 1: my I did chop a bit and it probably went over.
34:11
Speaker 1: It was probably it was in the thousands. Okay, it
34:14
Speaker 1: wasn't the thousands this girl. And I have to say
34:17
Speaker 1: thank you mom and dad, um this girl, because I
34:21
Speaker 1: certainly didn't have thousands of my own to spend at
34:23
Speaker 1: the time. This girl's name is Daria Rose. We wouldn't
34:28
Speaker 1: know her name because she got eliminated night one. She
34:31
Speaker 1: spent about hundred dollars, she says, on dress as, shoes, makeup,
34:37
Speaker 1: and hair supplies to be on Clayton's season. But she
34:43
Speaker 1: she got eliminated night one. She says, as we all know,
34:49
Speaker 1: that it was recommended for her to pack for at
34:52
Speaker 1: least six full weeks and she needed to get her
34:56
Speaker 1: hair done. Um, she wanted to be totally TV ready.
35:00
Speaker 1: She uh, she spent four in makeup and you know,
35:10
Speaker 1: a whole bunch on dazzling gowns. But she says that
35:14
Speaker 1: she plans on repurposing and donating some of those, So
35:18
Speaker 1: that's really nice. I feel really bad for her. It's true.
35:22
Speaker 1: I mean it's hard to navigate the packing list when
35:26
Speaker 1: you're like, Okay, I could get Eliminade night one and
35:30
Speaker 1: waste all this money on fashion and beauty stuff. But
35:35
Speaker 1: what if I'm there for so long and like this
35:37
Speaker 1: is national TV and I want to look my best
35:39
Speaker 1: and I want to like make a statement and I
35:41
Speaker 1: want people talk to you about how much they like
35:43
Speaker 1: my outfits and stuff. It's hard. It's hard. They tell
35:49
Speaker 1: you to pack everything and a lot of the things
35:52
Speaker 1: you just don't have, like I just didn't have like
35:54
Speaker 1: cute winter clothes, and they tell you you have to
35:58
Speaker 1: pack for all seasons and all occasions in all seasons,
36:02
Speaker 1: and you have to do it, and you're doing two bags,
36:05
Speaker 1: you two bags. The I ran out of clothes when
36:09
Speaker 1: you were still in the mansion. And I remember there
36:11
Speaker 1: was some date that were shamboo shoes because I didn't
36:14
Speaker 1: have black shoes with me, only brought brown and uh
36:18
Speaker 1: he I mean, I'm a size thirteen. I don't know
36:20
Speaker 1: what he is like maybe eleven, and so I still
36:22
Speaker 1: remember I went on this whole date in size of
36:25
Speaker 1: leven shoes and my toes were all like crinkled up. Um,
36:29
Speaker 1: I probably ruined them. There. They're probably something super nice. Um,
36:33
Speaker 1: But I just and I had some friends over to
36:35
Speaker 1: my house, uh, the night before I left, and we
36:38
Speaker 1: packed my bags and we just kind of pulled stuff
36:40
Speaker 1: out of my closet. And I was a big fan
36:43
Speaker 1: of Henley's, and so I wear a lot of henley
36:45
Speaker 1: Are the Best. Every guy looks their best and Henley's. Yeah,
36:49
Speaker 1: it was I feel bad. That's four thousand bucks, a
36:52
Speaker 1: lot of money. I feel bad. She should have kept
36:54
Speaker 1: the tags on some of them and were turned as
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Speaker 1: I have been smart. Well, next headline is this Clayton
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Speaker 1: reveals his top picks for Paradise Plus. Who would he
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Speaker 1: set them up with? This? According to Bachelor Nation, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: so this is fun, okay, but he doesn't really set
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Speaker 1: them up with anyone. He doesn't give us any names.
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Speaker 1: So he just wants them to be with somebody very good,
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Speaker 1: wants to be with them quality man. So basically he
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Speaker 1: says that he thinks very highly of Serene and Teddy.
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Speaker 1: He says, I think they're going to be incredibly sought
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Speaker 1: after as they go there. He's kind of assuming that
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Speaker 1: they'll be in paradise. He said, those two are going
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Speaker 1: to have their hands full. I think they're both incredible women.
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Speaker 1: They're going to be in over their heads, but in
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Speaker 1: the best possible way, because they're going to have a
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Speaker 1: lot of guys that are going to be interested in
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Speaker 1: talking to them. Yeah that's true. Yeah, that's true. I
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Speaker 1: mean they're going to be He doesn't set them up.
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Speaker 1: I mean, come on, give us more than that. Clayton
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Speaker 1: tell us names. I mean, if this was her article,
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Speaker 1: actually you would have asked him to follow that up.
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Speaker 1: You just said, he thank you, Ben, Yeah, you would
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Speaker 1: have gone at that guy. Well. Final headline for this
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Speaker 1: week is when we got to celebrate Bachelor's Liz sand
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Speaker 1: Off gives birth welcome second baby with husband Vito Presta
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Speaker 1: Disaccording to US Weekly, if you need a little refresher,
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Speaker 1: this is Liz Jade's friend from nixt season, the one
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Speaker 1: who hooked up with Nick at Jade and Tanner's wedding.
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Speaker 1: She you know, made a whole bunch of splash over that,
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Speaker 1: and she just had her second. Man, it feels like
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Speaker 1: she just had her first. That's crazy. But congratulations, guys,
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Speaker 1: time are you on that same timetable Actuley, You're going
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Speaker 1: to be one after the other part of me wants
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Speaker 1: to just get it over with because it's you know,
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Speaker 1: pregnancy is awful for me. But the other part of
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Speaker 1: me wants to be normal and feeling like myself for
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Speaker 1: as long as I can. So I'm very torn. That's fair.
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Speaker 1: That's fair. Well, Ashley, what an increbl podcast today. We're
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Speaker 1: gonna be back tomorrow with a really interesting breakdown. I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna tune in. I've watched like maybe the first twenty
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Speaker 1: minutes of the Fantasy Suite Um episode episode, but I
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Speaker 1: know it gets pretty intense based on the teasers that
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Speaker 1: we got, and so I think there's gonna be a
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Speaker 1: big conversation that you and I have on this podcast
39:24
Speaker 1: about tomorrow night's episode. So I'm excited for it. So
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Speaker 1: please come back and listen and join us for this
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Speaker 1: second episode this week of the Almost Famous Podcast. But
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