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The GOP's South Carolina Showdown · The M&M Experience

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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're headed up to Rock Hill. We're gonna broadcast
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  Speaker 1: from w r HI, which is our home there for many,
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  Speaker 1: many years, great award winning news talk station in the
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  Speaker 1: Rock Hill, right outside Charlotte, not far from Charlotte. It's
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  Speaker 1: where Ralph Norman is based. And I admit I'm a
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  Speaker 1: little uncomfortable with the fact that we're gonna sit down
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  Speaker 1: with Congressman Norman tomorrow, but we will not be talking
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  Speaker 1: to Senator Darlene Graham because I can't get anybody on
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  Speaker 1: her team to even respond to us. And even the
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  Speaker 1: people and I don't mind kind of pulling back the
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  Speaker 1: curtin a little bit here. Even people that I normally
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  Speaker 1: regularly communicate with, or people that even recently have written
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  Speaker 1: me and texted me and I've interacted with, they won't
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  Speaker 1: even respond to my text. Hey, can we get Senator
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  Speaker 1: Graham on for a segment or two? I feel uncomfortable
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  Speaker 1: having Congressman Norman on without letting my audience hear from
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  Speaker 1: Senator Graham. And you know how sometimes on iPhones some
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  Speaker 1: people have the feature where you can the other person
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  Speaker 1: knows when you've read the text. Yes, it says read now.
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  Speaker 1: You can disable that and I do, because frankly I shouldn't.
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  Speaker 1: It's a form of accountability. But it's like, oh, they
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  Speaker 1: But what it means is, you know, when they've read your.
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  Speaker 2: Text, they've seen It's not like they can say, well,
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  Speaker 2: we missed it, we never thought we heard from you.
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  Speaker 2: They totally heard from you.
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  Speaker 1: Correct And they've read my texts and wouldn't won't even
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  Speaker 1: say kiss my behind, fire in the hole, not even
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  Speaker 1: responding to me, which of course indicates they don't want
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  Speaker 1: to take any chances. They don't want to. And look,
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  Speaker 1: I would be completely kind and fair and restret to her.
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  Speaker 1: Of Christ mean, I'm not anti Darlene. I just don't
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  Speaker 1: I know what I don't know. There's a big feature
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  Speaker 1: today in the New Yorker magazine of all places, where
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  Speaker 1: they quote a whole bunch of Republican strategists who all admit, look,
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  Speaker 1: she's a wild card. We don't know what she's gonna be.
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  Speaker 1: And in the way the New Yorker puts it, it's
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  Speaker 1: a liberal publication, but the way they put it, it's
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  Speaker 1: they say, well, she could be a dud. Well, don't
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  Speaker 1: forget in our world, a dud could mean Lisa Murkowski,
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  Speaker 1: which is just.
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  Speaker 2: Which is worse than a dud. That's an outright obstructionist,
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  Speaker 2: that's an enemy.
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  Speaker 1: That's right. And if she is that kind of you know,
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  Speaker 1: person that emerges, we're in big trouble. We're in a messia.
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  Speaker 1: But which is which is why? And I'm neither you
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  Speaker 1: nor I can sit here and say that we magically know,
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  Speaker 1: like we know our own names, that Darlene is going
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  Speaker 1: to be a Tom Tillis, that she's going to be
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  Speaker 1: a Susan Collins, that she's going to be a Lisa Murkowski.
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  Speaker 1: We don't know anything of a kind. But that's just it.
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  Speaker 1: As you've said, we don't know anything. And this not
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  Speaker 1: knowing well what would work thought, okay, is just not
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  Speaker 1: good enough. But here's what's weird.
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  Speaker 2: You mentioned the New Yorker, right, Kristin Welker on Meet
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  Speaker 2: the Press, has Tim's got on and kind of slaps
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  Speaker 2: him around a little bit about Darlene's debate performance. I'm
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  Speaker 2: a little mystified. Shouldn't the leftist media culture be all
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  Speaker 2: in for her? Because even a question mark is better
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  Speaker 2: than the certain conservatism of Ralph Norman.
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  Speaker 1: Well, look, there's no question that there's a bunch of
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  Speaker 1: Democrats and Democrat aligned packs that are contributing mightily to
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  Speaker 1: Darlene Graham's campaign. To Darling Graham nor Dome's campaign campaign,
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  Speaker 1: the guy the behind big, huge fundraising, one of the
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  Speaker 1: most prolific Democrat donors in America is behind a couple
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  Speaker 1: of million bucks I think into her campaign. Now there's
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  Speaker 1: a reason for that. They're not doing that out of
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  Speaker 1: the goodness of their heart, you know, they they expect
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  Speaker 1: she's good. And that, incidentally, is the argument for Lindsay.
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  Speaker 1: All these years, how did Lindsey Graham, who is ostensibly
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  Speaker 1: not nearly was not nearly as popular as portrayed, how
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  Speaker 1: did he always win? Well? The argue him, it is
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  Speaker 1: because in certainly open primary country and in in in elections,
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  Speaker 1: Democrats voted enough. Democrats voted in numbers for Lindsay that
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  Speaker 1: that's what took him into the uh into over the
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  Speaker 1: finish line. So, you know, this is all just kind
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  Speaker 1: of bizarre. I mean, it's it's it's a it's a
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  Speaker 1: strange time. I've got nothing against the woman. I do
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  Speaker 1: believe she's gonna wint.
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  Speaker 2: Right to my question, because you we've both shared our
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  Speaker 2: observations about all of this, you simply see the landscape
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  Speaker 2: and say past regard for Lindsay Trump endorsement added all together,
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  Speaker 2: and even with all these factors that she's going to
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  Speaker 2: get across the finish line, I'm going to assert not
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna believe in pardon the way this sounds. I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna think better of the people of South Carolina that
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  Speaker 2: they're able to leave it. And Trump's doing a telephone
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  Speaker 2: telel hall for I think tonight, and I coined a term,
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  Speaker 2: are you okay with this pathological loyalty? Where this man
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  Speaker 2: who's instinct are so sharp. One of the things that
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  Speaker 2: and he's usually very well served by this sense of
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  Speaker 2: loyalty and the transactional nature of his relationships. He just
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  Speaker 2: loves Lindsey and so he instantly visits that love upon
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  Speaker 2: her and is all in for her, even when I
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  Speaker 2: think a majority of South Carolina Republican voters are going
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  Speaker 2: to go the other way.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we're gonna see. I mean, you know, she's got
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  Speaker 1: two things in her favor. She's got President Trump and
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  Speaker 1: she's got the ghost of Lindsay. And so it's going
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  Speaker 1: to be really, really hard to beat the ghost of
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  Speaker 1: Lindsay Graham and it's going to be really hard to
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  Speaker 1: beat President Trump. And he is all in for her,
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  Speaker 1: which I find kind of mystifying, But he is. He's
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  Speaker 1: all in for Look, he's a mystifying guy. Have you
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  Speaker 1: seen him cozy up to Michael Cohen? Is there anybody
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  Speaker 1: more dastardly in the anti Trump world than Michael Cohen,
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  Speaker 1: the former president's fixer.
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  Speaker 2: But not lately, because Cohen has changed his tune now
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  Speaker 2: saying I no longer believe that Trump was as So.
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  Speaker 1: If I spend years calling you a bastard and a
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  Speaker 1: dastardly monster, and you're a wife beater and you've abused
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  Speaker 1: your kids and you've ruined the world, and then all
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  Speaker 1: of a sudden, I've changed my tune. On Mark Davis,
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna say, oh, okay, Michael, let's go. But let's
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  Speaker 1: go cozy up. We're going to dinner. We're going to dinner.
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  Speaker 2: That we're going to go to dinner, probably not me
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  Speaker 2: but or me in the Trump but you and I
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  Speaker 2: are leading normal lives on play. The Trump logic is
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  Speaker 2: he he conducts everything under the harsh glare of politics
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  Speaker 2: and the presidency blah blah blah, and if somebody who
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  Speaker 2: was once a hater comes around. What more valuable example
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  Speaker 2: could there be then for him to say, look at
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  Speaker 2: this person who despised me not so long ago, who
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  Speaker 2: oh has seen the light now And I'm kind of okay.
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  Speaker 2: That's enormously useful.
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  Speaker 1: That's a great insight. I believe that President Trump is
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  Speaker 1: drawn to the let me add them all up to
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  Speaker 1: the JD Vance's, the Ted Cruzes, the Marco Rubios. I mean, look,
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  Speaker 1: all these people once hated him, and when they come
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  Speaker 1: around and then love him, he loves that person in return,
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  Speaker 1: because now, look, it's a transaction. And let's face it,
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  Speaker 1: President Trump is nothing if not transactional. He's a transactional guy.
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  Speaker 1: Everything is a deal for him, the art of the deal,
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  Speaker 1: what's the deal with it? And he does deal making
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  Speaker 1: like this, and it's fascinating to watch. It's an extraordinary
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  Speaker 1: thing to witness and to see Michael Cohen, who now
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  Speaker 1: has a show on WABC Radio because why not, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I mean John kats Matitz heading out talk shows like
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  Speaker 1: Tic TACs over there at ABC, and they're doing great.
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  Speaker 1: That station is doing really well in the market. And
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  Speaker 1: he's got like a Wednesday night show where you know
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  Speaker 1: they he sat down with Trump and they just had
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  Speaker 1: a love fest. And Trump's ah, you were you were
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  Speaker 1: wronged and you were thinking, this is wizard of man.
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  Speaker 1: We are I know, it is wild. They speaking of
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  Speaker 1: what is happening. I posted something over the weekend I
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  Speaker 1: wanted to tell you about. There was a happy ending
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  Speaker 1: to a story in Las Vegas. A little child went
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  Speaker 1: missing and it was scary and it was uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: they really needed everybody's help. The Las Vegas Police Department
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  Speaker 1: needed help identifying the four year old boy. He was
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  Speaker 1: last seen near a Tropicana wearing only a diaper. He's
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  Speaker 1: considered endangered and maybe in emotional distress. Well, they found
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  Speaker 1: the boy, so that's the happy news. Here's the weird
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  Speaker 1: part of the story. I want to know what the
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  Speaker 1: kid's name is? Ready, Lucifer Heckler.
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  Speaker 2: That's good.
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  Speaker 1: The boy's name is Lucifer.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, let's find those parents.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's what everybody was saying, is that is not
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  Speaker 1: a form of abuse. Who names their child? What is
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  Speaker 1: the brother's name Beelzebu? I mean, how in the world
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  Speaker 1: do you name a child? Is there any other meaning
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  Speaker 1: behind the name Lucifer than the beast? Yes, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: come on, no.
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  Speaker 2: No stigma, guaranteed stigma for a lifetime. That's Luisa, which
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  Speaker 2: makes an interesting talk show topic. Should the courts or
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  Speaker 2: somebody or society be able to veto step in a
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  Speaker 2: parent's selection of a name. I hesitate to open that door.
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  Speaker 2: But by the same token.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think you could even name a child aid
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  Speaker 1: Off in Germany. I don't think you're allowed to. That's Germany,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, but I mean it is Germany. But my goodness, Lucifer,
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  Speaker 1: Well we are America, Lucifer, why not just go all out?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, oh, go big or go home? Satan call
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  Speaker 1: him Satan, four year old, a cute little kid. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm thinking what, I mean, what what goes through a
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  Speaker 1: parent's mind when they say, you know what, let's come
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  Speaker 1: up with this name. Are they trying? What? Do you know?
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  Speaker 1: Give me a theory?
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  Speaker 2: I would listen. I don't know them. Is it performative?
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  Speaker 2: Is it designed to attract clicks? Are they actual Anton
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  Speaker 2: Leavey fans and Satan where shippers? I don't know. I
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  Speaker 2: will tell you something I am a fan of I
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  Speaker 2: told the audience I was going to do this, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm telegraphing it to you.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 2: We've talked about this figure in the past. Were you
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  Speaker 2: a big consumer of the CNN shows of Anthony Bourdain?
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  Speaker 2: No Reservations and not a little bit, not a lot, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: food yeah, no food show, travel show, just amazing stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Lisa and I swallowed those shows in big gulps. As
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  Speaker 2: he consumed food and life.
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  Speaker 1: He wrote a book.
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  Speaker 2: He wrote a book called Kitchen Confidential, which is one
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  Speaker 2: of the most fas listening, you're a fan of the
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  Speaker 2: restaurant industry, intrigued about how things work in the back
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  Speaker 2: Everybody just go get Kitchen Confidential, written by Anthony Bourdain
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  Speaker 2: a decade or more ago. We are fascinated by that book.
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  Speaker 2: So where am I going? Released just this past weekend
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  Speaker 2: a movie, a little biopic called Tony, starring young actor
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  Speaker 2: Dominic Sessa as young Anthony Bourdain. I mean, in a
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  Speaker 2: slice of life that is barely a year long. He's
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  Speaker 2: out in Providestown, Massachusetts, just beginning to enter this rough
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  Speaker 2: and tumble, hard combat, thankless, brutal world of the back
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  Speaker 2: rooms of restaurants. And that's what makes the book so fascinating.
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  Speaker 2: Is one of the best movies of the year, maybe
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  Speaker 2: multiple years. Dominiccessa, the great. I'll tell you somebody I
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  Speaker 2: don't think about too often. Antonio Banderas, lovely man, great whatever,
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  Speaker 2: total supporting Oscar actor, Oscar material in this Tony with Dominiccessa.
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  Speaker 2: It's one of those little independent films and it's only
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  Speaker 2: about those two years of him. It is a masterpiece. Mike,
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  Speaker 2: I think you would love it.
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  Speaker 1: Well. Do you have to be into the Tony Bourdain
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  Speaker 1: brand to like that? Don't?
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  Speaker 2: I don't think you do, because without that, with zero
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  Speaker 2: familiarity for him, it's just a gritty story of the weird, thankless,
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  Speaker 2: perverse and yet unbelievably rewarding an addictive world of working
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  Speaker 2: in a restaurant. But if you do appreciate Bordain, and
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  Speaker 2: you know what my advice would be, go watch five
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  Speaker 2: or six episodes of No Reservations on his old show
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  Speaker 2: on CNN, then read Kitchen Confidential, and go see the movie.