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The Kenny Report | 21 July · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Line from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me for another week here on the
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Speaker 2: Kenny Report tonight, the political and electoral chaos of Tasmania.
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Speaker 2: How that disease says, what it tells us about our
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Speaker 2: national political mess. Federal politicians gather in Canberra for the
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Speaker 2: new parliament, and the big.
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Speaker 1: Question is what Labor is planning to do on tax increases.
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi slams Israel again, but again it's
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Speaker 2: Israel that's confronting genocidal Islamists.
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Speaker 1: I'll cross to the UK, where can you believe it?
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Speaker 1: They're talking about giving sixteen year olds the vote? So
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Speaker 1: much to talk about.
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Speaker 2: Great panel as ever with Gemma and Caroline, let's get cracking.
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Speaker 2: It's a crazy world just at.
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Speaker 1: The moment, and we're not immune here.
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Speaker 2: So I'll start with the rather dismal business of our
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Speaker 2: own national political scene. As politicians returned to Canberra ready
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Speaker 2: for the first parliamentary sitting period of the second term
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Speaker 2: of the Albanese Labor government. There's plenty of room in
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Speaker 2: the coalition party room, with the Liberals and Nationals combined
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Speaker 2: returning their lowest ever proportion of seats in Canberra, their
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Speaker 2: first ever female leader, Susan Lee, will be hoping the
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Speaker 2: only way from here is up.
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Speaker 3: We won't be judged by the headlines of the day.
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Speaker 3: What we will be judged by is what we offer
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Speaker 3: the Australian people at the next election, and Australians deserve
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Speaker 3: the strongest possible opposition. Now, mister Abenezi's getting interviews and
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Speaker 3: he's suggesting that we should just get out of the way. Well,
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Speaker 3: we won't be getting out of the way. Our job
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Speaker 3: is to represent the millions of Australians who voted for us,
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Speaker 3: but also the millions who maybe didn't but still expect
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Speaker 3: us to be the strongest, best opposition that we can be,
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Speaker 3: and we will be.
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Speaker 2: The latest news poll numbers see the Coalition even more
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Speaker 2: unpopular than they prove to be at the election, but
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Speaker 2: Labour also hovers around its lowest ever levels of popularity.
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Speaker 2: It's only preferences that have delivered Labor massive parliamentary numbers,
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Speaker 2: with the minor parties of the right and left now
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Speaker 2: accounting for more than a third of the vote. Still,
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Speaker 2: Labor is already toying with political ruin, pushing for its
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Speaker 2: superannuation tax increase and seemingly softening voters up for more
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Speaker 2: tax increases. They'll address it all up as economic reform,
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Speaker 2: of course.
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Speaker 4: But I am absolutely committed to making sure that we
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Speaker 4: seize the opportunity that we're being given to be able
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Speaker 4: to create that fairer economy, that stronger economy, Stronger because
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Speaker 4: it is fairer, Stronger because it is fairer.
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Speaker 1: Is a core belief.
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Speaker 4: That we in this room have as Labor Party members.
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Speaker 2: The coalition can't believe it's luck on this score, hoping
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Speaker 2: a tax battle is on the horizon.
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Speaker 3: I haven't met a single Australian who wants to pay
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Speaker 3: more tax, who thinks they're paying too much tax, not
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Speaker 3: enough tax. And what I do know is that every
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Speaker 3: single Australian expects this government to minimize their tax bill,
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Speaker 3: to work hard for them and to make sure they
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Speaker 3: run a responsible budget with responsible economic management across the country.
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Speaker 3: And that's clearly not going to happen if we let
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Speaker 3: Treasure Jim Chalmers get his way now.
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Speaker 2: Despite his jam packs party room, Alberanezi was bold enough
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Speaker 2: to tell his team that Labor could further improve its
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Speaker 2: largest ever hall of seats at the next election.
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Speaker 1: That's a big call. But then again, this is a
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Speaker 1: bloke who still believes in fantasies like net zero, the
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Speaker 1: renewables only grid, and green hydrogen making green steel. The
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Speaker 1: work that we're.
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Speaker 4: Doing together on decarbonization of steel that could produce greater
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Speaker 4: benefits both economically in terms of jobs, but also greater
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Speaker 4: benefits in reducing global emissions than any measure we could
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Speaker 4: take domestically as a nation state.
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Speaker 2: Oh dear, there goes more billions of taxpayers dollars, not
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Speaker 2: to mention more soaring electricity bills. We'll keep an eye
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Speaker 2: on Parliament, of course, when it sits tomorrow and the
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Speaker 2: following days, but we need to keep an eagle eye more,
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Speaker 2: particularly on what started out as the Productivity round Table.
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Speaker 2: It's now called the Economic Reform Roundtable. It's going to
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Speaker 2: be held next month. It's supposed to come up with
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Speaker 2: an economic agenda, possibly new taxes or tax increases. These
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Speaker 2: are the changes that labor should have taken to the
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Speaker 2: election but obviously failed to do. Politicians playing fast and
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Speaker 2: loose with voters and with our economic fundamentals. At least
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Speaker 2: some things remained the same. Bloodshed continues in the Middle East,
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Speaker 2: and yet again, much of the global debate has centered
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Speaker 2: on criticizing Israel.
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Speaker 1: This follows the Israeli Defense.
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Speaker 2: Force action on instructions from the Netanyahu government, of course,
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Speaker 2: against the Syrian defense forces in Damascus, that we discussed
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Speaker 2: last week.
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Speaker 5: Are you also umijata?
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Speaker 2: Now the usual crowd, including the leftist media, that is
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Speaker 2: most media and especially our public broadcasters, well, they framed
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Speaker 2: Israel as the aggressors here. But Israel was acting to
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Speaker 2: stop bloodshed, as I'll show you and a warning, these
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Speaker 2: images are confronting. Israel was acting to end the horrific massacre, torture, rape,
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Speaker 2: and kidnapping of Druze communities in Syria. Now most of
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Speaker 2: this is too horrific to show anyone, but the Arab
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Speaker 2: Druze people who live in Israel, Syria and Lebanon have
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Speaker 2: been under attack from Sunni Islamists in Syria. So it's
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Speaker 2: another example of attempted Islamist genocide and Israel acted to
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Speaker 2: stop it. And Israel's actions have delivered results, with a
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Speaker 2: fragile ceasefire now being enforced by the Syrian government. Let's
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Speaker 2: show you another report here and a warning. It is
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Speaker 2: shocking stuff.
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Speaker 6: We entered the besiege mainly Druze City of Sweden and
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Speaker 6: Saurus City on fire. The road out was clogged with
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Speaker 6: Arab fighters with drawing with their looted goods. They left
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Speaker 6: a trail of destruction and thousands of trapped civilians behind them.
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Speaker 6: This was meant to be a cease fire, but the
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Speaker 6: warring factions clearly won't part of it. There's no electricity
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Speaker 6: in the city, Internet is cut, food and water is scarce,
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Speaker 6: and there are thousands of families still bunkered down in
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Speaker 6: their homes.
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Speaker 5: Amongst all of this.
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Speaker 6: The streets of Swedish City are strewn with the casualties
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Speaker 6: of this augy of violence, many with shots to the
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Speaker 6: head execution style. There are six in this pile, again
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Speaker 6: with shots to the head. They'd also been set alight.
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Speaker 6: Others have been burned beyond recognition. Horrific images, but which
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Speaker 6: demonstrate the wanton brutality that's been going on here.
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Speaker 2: Once more, it's an Islamist outfit that's trying to inflict genocide,
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Speaker 2: just as Hamas tries for genocide against Jews and Israel,
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Speaker 2: just as Hesbelah does too, just as Islamic jihadaz and
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Speaker 2: the government of Iran well in the case of the Drus.
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Speaker 2: These are Arab people who live peacefully in Israel. On
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Speaker 2: my visit to Israel last month, I visited the Druze
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Speaker 2: township of Mudjol Shams, right on the Syrian border where
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Speaker 2: Hesbelah attacks had killed twelve children playing on a soccer
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Speaker 2: field last year. The people in these communities have relatives
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Speaker 2: and friends across the border who have now been targeted
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Speaker 2: by the Syrian Islamists, and it's Israel who has stepped
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Speaker 2: in to protect this community. This Arab community spread across Syria,
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Speaker 2: Israel and Lebanon. So again, forget the kneejerk criticism of
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Speaker 2: Israel and look at the facts. Whether the claims put
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Speaker 2: out there by Hamas and others are that Israel has
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Speaker 2: bombed the hospital in Gaza, or slaughtered people in an
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Speaker 2: aid center or deliberately attacked AID workers. This stuff is
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Speaker 2: put out there by Hamas and others and then reported
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Speaker 2: as fat by so many in the media, and that
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Speaker 2: then it invariably turns out to be wrong, just propaganda, surprise, surprise.
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Speaker 2: You can't believe information from an Islamist terrorist group, even
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Speaker 2: if they put it on a Ghazan health ministry letterhead
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Speaker 2: and I've got to say on this front, I was
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Speaker 2: disgusted but sadly not surprised by these comments from Anthony
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Speaker 2: Alberanizi on the ABC late last week.
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Speaker 4: Israeli is losing support by its own actions and that
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Speaker 4: some of its actions are completely indefensible.
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Speaker 2: Now we've asked the Prime Minister again for an interview
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Speaker 2: on this. We've also asked him to specify which actions
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Speaker 2: he claims are completely indefensible. We've also asked previously whether
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister has ever bothered to view the video
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Speaker 2: evidence of the Hummas atrocities that started the Gaza War
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Speaker 2: and betray Hummus's methods.
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Speaker 1: We've not received a response on any of this. Instead,
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Speaker 1: we are left with ABC interviews like this.
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Speaker 4: Australia isn't a central player in the Middle East.
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Speaker 2: Not a central player, hey, Yet Australia has provided more
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Speaker 2: visas to Palestinians who plan to flee Gaza than any
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Speaker 2: other country. The neighboring Arab nations reject people from the
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Speaker 2: Hummus controlled territory of Gaza, but Australia welcomes three thousand
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Speaker 2: without adequate security check and Albanzi keeps criticizing Israel This
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Speaker 2: is strange behavior for someone eager to tell us he's
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Speaker 2: not a central player. Albanese needs to stop talking like
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Speaker 2: a university protester and stick with facts and support real solutions.
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Speaker 2: Now let's get back to Australian politics. And if you
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Speaker 2: think national politics is underwhelming, spare a thought for our
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Speaker 2: Tasmanian compatriots.
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Speaker 1: Taswegians. We feel your pain and we.
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Speaker 2: Hope a decent footy team in the national comp might
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Speaker 2: eventually ease your pain. But Tasmania has just been through
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Speaker 2: its second state election in less than a year and
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Speaker 2: a half.
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Speaker 1: It's fourth in seven years.
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Speaker 2: The only reason the Liberal government was forced to the
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Speaker 2: pulse was because Labor pushed a no confidence motion in
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Speaker 2: this minority government. Yet, at this stage, even though it
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Speaker 2: appears the Liberals seat teller hasn't fallen and Labour's seat
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Speaker 2: tally hasn't improved, Labor is talking about trying to form
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Speaker 2: government with some combination of others in the hotchpot of
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Speaker 2: the Tazzi Parliament.
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Speaker 7: It is our team, the Liberal Party, who will achieve
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Speaker 7: the most seats in this election were they significantly increased
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Speaker 7: vote and I thank you. It seems likely that the
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Speaker 7: three major parties in the state will end up with
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Speaker 7: more or less the same number.
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Speaker 5: Of seats as they did in the last parliament.
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Speaker 8: Another election is not an option, which means we need
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Speaker 8: to figure this out.
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Speaker 9: We look at the statewide vote, most of it's in
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Speaker 9: here and it's a three percent against the swing against
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Speaker 9: the Labor Party their primary their lowest on record at
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Speaker 9: twenty six percent. So that will be part of the
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Speaker 9: argument as to who should actually form government as to
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Speaker 9: the will of the Tasmanian people. Once we get all
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Speaker 9: the seats decided, that will be about two weeks away.
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Speaker 1: What a joke.
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Speaker 2: Of course, the liberal government shouldn't stand or be reformed.
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Speaker 2: Perhaps they'll all have to go back to the polls
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Speaker 2: again to sort it out. I shouldn't joke because it
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Speaker 2: could actually happen. Part of the problem, of.
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Speaker 1: Course, is Tasmania's hair brained electoral system. Freudian slipped there.
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Speaker 1: It's hair clark.
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Speaker 2: Electoral system, which has proportional representation in multi member electors.
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Speaker 2: This massively boosts the minor parties and the independence in
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Speaker 2: their parliament. But the trouble with TAZI is that its
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Speaker 2: over representation in federal politics means that it's hair brained
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Speaker 2: politics actually infects canber. It also highlights how we have
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Speaker 2: too many politicians in this country because in Tazi the
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Speaker 2: proportion is the worst.
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Speaker 1: It's off the charts. Let me explain for starters.
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Speaker 2: Of course, Tasmania has twelve senators in Canberra. That's fundamental
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Speaker 2: to the Federation that an equal number of senators head
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Speaker 2: to the Senate for each state. But that means that
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Speaker 2: Tasmania has one senator for about every forty thousand voters.
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Speaker 2: By comparison, New South Wales, as the largest state, has
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Speaker 2: one senator for about every four hundred and seventy five
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Speaker 2: thousand voters.
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Speaker 1: Four hundred and seventy five thousand voters.
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Speaker 2: That's more voters than in the whole state of Tasmania.
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Speaker 2: But it gets worse because electrics in all the other
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Speaker 2: states are adjusted to be roughly the same size, so
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Speaker 2: the number in each state goes up and down according
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Speaker 2: to population movements. But Tasmania has a constitutional guarantee to
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Speaker 2: keep a minimum of five Lower House seats, so that
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Speaker 2: means as well as a senator for every forty thousand voters,
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Speaker 2: Tazy has a Lower House MP in Canbra for about
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Speaker 2: every eighty one thousand voters. Now, for comparison, we should
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Speaker 2: go to the next biggest state, the smallest mainland state
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Speaker 2: of South Australia. It has three times as many voters
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Speaker 2: as Tasmania, but only twice as many seats with the
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Speaker 2: twelve senators. My old home state has one senator for
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Speaker 2: every one hundred and seven thousand voters, and each Federal
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Speaker 2: Lower House MP represents about one hundred and twenty eight
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Speaker 2: thousand voters, fifty percent more than those from Tasmania.
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Speaker 1: So much for one vote, one value.
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Speaker 2: Hey, Tasmanian's votes have fifty percent more power even in
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Speaker 2: the Lower House in Canberra compared to their mainland counterparts.
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Speaker 2: But just to show you how Tasmania shows the way
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Speaker 2: for our over governed country, I thought I'd wrap in
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Speaker 2: a total for each state's representation at state and federal levels,
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Speaker 2: that is, total all their state and federal politicians, and
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Speaker 2: line it up with their voting population and have a
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Speaker 2: look at this. When you tally apple federal and state
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Speaker 2: politicians in the largest state, New South Wales, it turns
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Speaker 2: out to be one Polly per twenty nine thousand voters.
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Speaker 2: Now that's a lot of Polleys, to be sure, but
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Speaker 2: in the smallest man mainly Liane, and state of South Australia.
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Speaker 2: That works out at about one Polly for every fourteen
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Speaker 2: thousand voters. Twice as many pollies per capita in South Australia.
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Speaker 1: But wait for it.
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Speaker 2: In Tasmania there is a state or federal politician for
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Speaker 2: about every six thousand voters.
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Speaker 1: Six thousand. That's like a polly for every small country town.
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Speaker 1: And they wonder why they're in strife.
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Speaker 2: Yet, as the UK discusses giving the vote to sixteen
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Speaker 2: year olds, don't worry. They'll push for it here too,
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Speaker 2: And we force everyone in this country to vote compulsory voting.
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Speaker 2: In fact, we demand the people vote with preferences. We
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Speaker 2: clearly have don't have one vote, one value here and
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Speaker 2: the minor parties are becoming increasingly powerful. One day the
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Speaker 2: whole country might turn out to be as ungovernable as Tasmania.
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Speaker 1: We need a.
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Speaker 2: Serious debate about voting and electoral systems. Tasmania provides a
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Speaker 2: warning to the whole country.
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Speaker 1: Let's go to a man who.
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Speaker 2: Has served the Liberal Party in the Federal Parliament and
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Speaker 2: in the Tasmanian State Parliament, and he is Tasmania Business
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Speaker 2: and Transport Minister Eric Abbetts joining me live from Hobart.
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Speaker 1: Good to join you. Have you joined me again?
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Speaker 5: Eric?
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Speaker 2: First up, before we get to the election result. As
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Speaker 2: a general principle, you'd agree that Australians are over governed,
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Speaker 2: wouldn't you had, especially Tasmanians.
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Speaker 10: Chris, what a wonderful introduction. I was listening to it
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Speaker 10: and thinking how I might respond to it, and I
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Speaker 10: think you Mainlanders have brought it on yourselves by saying
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Speaker 10: all Tasmanians have two heads into double counted. And as
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Speaker 10: a result we got some extra seats in the Federal Parliament.
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Speaker 10: But look the five seats that are guaranteed in the
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Speaker 10: Constitution in the House of Reps. And the equal number
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Speaker 10: of senators was part and parcel of the Federal Compact.
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Speaker 10: And does that sometimes create some degree of inequality? Yes,
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Speaker 10: But I don't think anybody can point to a decision
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Speaker 10: out of the Federal Parliament where that extra Tasmanian House
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Speaker 10: a Rep seat or those extra senators from Tasmania have
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Speaker 10: actually changed a major or significant decision.
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Speaker 2: Now tell us about this election result was always an
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Speaker 2: unnecessary election, and now the result has given us nothing
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Speaker 2: where essentially back where.
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Speaker 1: We started a couple of months ago. What should happen?
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Speaker 1: What will happen?
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Speaker 10: Look, this is a situation that blew up in the
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Speaker 10: Labor Party, the Green and some independent faces. It is
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Speaker 10: unbelievable that they moved a vote of no confidence not
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Speaker 10: in the government but personally in the premiere. And we
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Speaker 10: he's a Liberal party, determined that we weren't going to
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Speaker 10: have Labor Greens in some independence determining who our leader
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Speaker 10: was going to be, so he rightly held on, went
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Speaker 10: to the governor. The Labor leader wasn't even willing to
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Speaker 10: put his hand up to form government. So off we
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Speaker 10: went to an election and running as negative a campaign
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Speaker 10: as I have ever seen against a government. The Labor
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Speaker 10: vote dropped by three percent, the Liberal Party vote increased
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Speaker 10: by three percent, the support for the premier in his
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Speaker 10: electorate went up. And multi member electorates, it looks as
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Speaker 10: though instead of having three seats before the election in
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Speaker 10: the premier seat, we will now get four seats. So
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Speaker 10: it's been a massive boost to the Liberal Party. Labor
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Speaker 10: has got its lowest vote on records since nineteen three,
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Speaker 10: the lowest vote and it is the lowest vote personally
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Speaker 10: for a Labor leader in his electorate of Franklin that
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Speaker 10: I happen to represent as well, so in this election,
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Speaker 10: and I confess I was not expecting this, but I
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Speaker 10: personally outpold the Labor leader and the Green leader, both
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Speaker 10: of whom are representatives of the electorate of Franklin, say
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Speaker 10: this is a massive vote by the people of no
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Speaker 10: confidence in those that brought on the no confidence motion.
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Speaker 10: But this is the premier Jeremy Rockcliffe.
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Speaker 1: Yep. But this is the problem he's left having a
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Speaker 1: negotiate a government.
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Speaker 2: Now you've been forced to the polls, You've improved your vote,
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Speaker 2: Labour's has gone backwards. Yet yet Labour are still saying
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Speaker 2: they could try and form a coalition to oust the government.
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Speaker 2: Now they could have tried to do that without going
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Speaker 2: to the election.
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Speaker 1: I suppose.
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Speaker 2: But the point is here, is there a problem with
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Speaker 2: this system and it's been around forever and you can't
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Speaker 2: fix something like this overnight. But is this going to
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Speaker 2: be the fate of Tasmania in perpetuity unless you can
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Speaker 2: reform your electoral system.
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Speaker 10: Look, I would like to think that the people of
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Speaker 10: Tasmania started the trend on Saturday night by putting more
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Speaker 10: votes towards the Liberal Party and should they try to
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Speaker 10: blow up the parliament again. I have no doubt that
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Speaker 10: the Liberal Party will get an increased vote and as
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Speaker 10: a result, majority government. It has happened before. Will Hodgman
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Speaker 10: led two majority governments and Peter Gutwin had a majority
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Speaker 10: government as well. But you know, you get fifty one
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Speaker 10: percent of the primary vote, as former Premier Will Hodgman did,
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Speaker 10: and under the Hair Clark system, with a fifty one
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Speaker 10: percent primary vote, not after preferences primary vote, he had
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Speaker 10: a one seat majority in the parliament.
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Speaker 1: So it's got to change.
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Speaker 10: Percent of the primary.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 10: If you got fifty one percent of the vote federally
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Speaker 10: primary vote, you would have a massive, massive landslide election victory.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. All right, we'll see what happens with that debate.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Eric, We'll see what happens in
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Speaker 2: the next couple couple of weeks. Eric the former Senator
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Speaker 2: for Tasmania, now of course a minister in the Irocliff government,
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Speaker 2: which may or may not be reformed in coming days.
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Speaker 2: I want to get back to this tax debate and
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Speaker 2: I want to catch up with the David Pearl in
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Speaker 2: a moment from the Australian But just beforehand, I want
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Speaker 2: to talk about the speech we saw in Canberra last week.
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Speaker 1: I brought you some of it from former.
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Speaker 2: Treasury Secretary Ken Henry, where he talked about possible tax
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Speaker 2: reform or tax increases.
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Speaker 1: He also talked a lot about the environment. He's very
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Speaker 1: much a Greenie, is Ken Henry. He Look, we've turned
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Speaker 1: nature against us.
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Speaker 11: Our destruction of the natural environment now poses an existential
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Speaker 11: threat to everything that we value. We need to change
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Speaker 11: course and that will not happen without high integrity laws,
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Speaker 11: without high integrity regulation.
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Speaker 2: There is former Treasury secretary sounding like a former founding
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Speaker 2: member of the Green's political party.
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Speaker 1: Let's go to David Pearl, who writes for.
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Speaker 2: The Australian, but he's also former Treasury Deputy secretary.
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Speaker 1: He joins us from Canberra. Good to talk to you again, David.
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Speaker 2: I was fascinated by your column on the weekend where
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Speaker 2: you focused on this environmental evangelism from Ken Henry.
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Speaker 1: Little wonder the.
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Speaker 2: Governments are so desperate to go to net zero and
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Speaker 2: invent green steel and green hydrogen when he's talking in
23:25
Speaker 2: sub apocalyptic terms.
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Speaker 12: Thanks having me on, Chris. I wasn't a deputy secretary.
23:32
Speaker 12: Let me correct you on that I was an assistant secretary.
23:34
Speaker 12: I probably wasn't work enough to be a deputy secretary. Okay, no, absolutely,
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Speaker 12: Look Ken, Henry. I know Ken very well, or at
23:44
Speaker 12: least I knew him very well, worked very closely with him,
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Speaker 12: and he played a major role in my career. So
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Speaker 12: it doesn't give me any pleasure to be critical. But
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Speaker 12: I think Ken has always been a diet in the
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Speaker 12: wall old style environmentalist Chris and that's an environmentalist cares
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Speaker 12: about endangered species and logging native growth forests. But unfortunately, Ken,
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Speaker 12: like so many other people in Canberra, has allowed the
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Speaker 12: climate change ideology. If you like, to colonize his mind
24:14
Speaker 12: and colonize his perspective. And I think that I would
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Speaker 12: differentiate between the old style and environmentalism to protect endangered species,
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Speaker 12: which most reasonable people would support, and climate change ideology, which,
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Speaker 12: as you've written about, as many of us have been
24:30
Speaker 12: concerned about for many years, has nothing to do with
24:33
Speaker 12: the environment.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, it has a massive economic repercussions. Now
24:39
Speaker 2: I want to move to the tax agenda and this
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Speaker 2: so called productivity round Table, which has now been broadened
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Speaker 2: out to be called an economic reform round Table, Ken
24:49
Speaker 2: Henry talked about some of the issues that are likely
24:52
Speaker 2: to be raised there, including tax herees.
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Speaker 13: If we continue on that trajectory, as we said, into
24:59
Speaker 13: that in two we will have no option but to
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Speaker 13: raise taxes, and quite significantly by several percentage points of GDP.
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Speaker 2: So you're saying, without productivity, we're gonna have to raise taxes.
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Speaker 2: What in your mind is the likely outcome of this roundtable.
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Speaker 2: It seems to me that when you put one of
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Speaker 2: these things together as a government, there are outcomes you
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Speaker 2: want to get out of it.
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Speaker 1: At the other end preordained.
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Speaker 12: Well, I've worked in Treasury for over twenty years, so
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Speaker 12: the outcomes will be.
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Speaker 1: Already developed by now. This is just a show.
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Speaker 12: Jim Chalmers and Alban EASi are from a school of
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Speaker 12: political management Chris that doesn't tolerate any spontaneity or any
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Speaker 12: surprises or any real discussion in this so called roundtable.
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Speaker 12: So the outcomes have already been written up. And some
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Speaker 12: of the prominent presenters to the roundtable, including the Treasury
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Speaker 12: Secretary and the head of the Productivity Commission, but also
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Speaker 12: some of the business people like Matt Common, they're being
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Speaker 12: verded up by the Treasurer's office to produce some kabuki
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Speaker 12: theater in this roundtable, which is essentially just going to
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Speaker 12: increase taxes. Let's just be frank about it.
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Speaker 2: What taxes do you expect to be either introduced or increased.
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Speaker 12: I think the government will go back to Bill Shorten
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Speaker 12: and Chris Bowen's disastrous twenty nineteen assault on investors, Chris
26:27
Speaker 12: that you and your viewers would be very familiar with.
26:30
Speaker 12: So I think under the gun will be the capital
26:34
Speaker 12: gains tax discount. So we could see doubling of the
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Speaker 12: capital gains tax rate with no grandfathering. And we could
26:42
Speaker 12: also see negative gearing, which for asset poor people, for
26:47
Speaker 12: nurses and tradees who are buying their first home, is
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Speaker 12: critical to reduce interest costs. That will be under the gun.
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Speaker 12: And I think we'll also see a renewed assault on
26:57
Speaker 12: dividend imputation.
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Speaker 2: We will see they won't be able to resist. Thanks
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Speaker 2: for joining us, David. We'll catch up again. David Peerl,
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Speaker 2: who writes for The Australian. As we mentioned, there is
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Speaker 2: also a former assistant secretary in the Federal Treasury.
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Speaker 1: We're going to get to a break on the other side.
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Speaker 1: We're going to cross to the UK.
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Speaker 2: Where there's a fair bit happening, including this discussion about
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Speaker 2: a letting sixteen year olds vote. Look, they left he
27:26
Speaker 2: so often just overlook the normal rules of decent and
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Speaker 2: polite human behavior, don't they some of the protests they run.
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Speaker 2: US Vice President JD. Vances are going to take his
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Speaker 2: family to a holiday in the UK pretty soon. In
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Speaker 2: the Cotswolds, people are already organizing to protest their holiday
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Speaker 2: and US President Donald Trump is due next week in
27:47
Speaker 2: Scotland and they're getting fired up for those protests to
27:50
Speaker 2: let's cross to London. Now catch up with Sophie Ellsworth,
27:53
Speaker 2: News Court correspondent and Sky News contributed. Good to talk
27:56
Speaker 2: to you again, Sophie. I mean, this stuff's just over
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Speaker 2: the top. Trump turning up in Scotland as president is
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Speaker 2: one thing for a protest, But the Van's family going
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Speaker 2: on a holiday in the Cotswolds.
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Speaker 1: Can't they just leave them be?
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Speaker 14: Well, Chris, The Vans family have certainly picked a beautiful
28:14
Speaker 14: destination to holidays at the Cotswolds on the weekend. It's
28:17
Speaker 14: a beautiful part of the world. But they do have
28:20
Speaker 14: young children. They've got a five and a three year old.
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Speaker 14: They're coming on a private vacation. People are very entitled
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Speaker 14: to protest, but whether or not it's appropriate to be
28:30
Speaker 14: doing this when this family is just trying to take
28:33
Speaker 14: some quiet time away from the media spotlight. I think
28:37
Speaker 14: we divide many on whether or not this is an
28:39
Speaker 14: okay thing to do, and completely different to President Trump
28:43
Speaker 14: coming to Scotland later this week where he will be
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Speaker 14: opening a You've golf course. People are entitled to protest Chris,
28:50
Speaker 14: but should they be doing it at the location of
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Speaker 14: a private family holiday.
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Speaker 5: I think many would argue this is not okay.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not on leave them be.
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Speaker 2: But as for Donald Trump, here's what those protesters are
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Speaker 2: planning next week.
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Speaker 15: Donald Trump is coming to Scotland and we need you
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Speaker 15: to tell him to On Saturday twenty sixth of July,
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Speaker 15: we're organizing a festival of resistance. Head down to Aberdeen
29:16
Speaker 15: City Center at midday and tell John Swinney there's no
29:20
Speaker 15: reason that he should be meeting Donald Trump. Kiss Tom
29:22
Speaker 15: has been humiliating the whole UK by rolling out the
29:26
Speaker 15: red carpet for Trump and kissing is out.
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Speaker 1: Give me Billy Connolly anytime, mate.
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Speaker 14: Well, if this is what they want to spend their
29:36
Speaker 14: spare time doing Chris, so be it. He's going to
29:40
Speaker 14: be a massive deal when President Trump arrives in Scotland
29:43
Speaker 14: later in the week. Not forgetting, he also has a
29:45
Speaker 14: state visit here in the UK in September, So the
29:50
Speaker 14: protesters they're firing up and they'll definitely be pulling their
29:54
Speaker 14: usual stunts where they're hoping to get that media coverage
29:57
Speaker 14: when both mister Vance and President Trump are in the
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Speaker 14: UK in the coming weeks.
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Speaker 2: Just a couple of other quick ones, So for your
30:04
Speaker 2: first up. Ellen Degenera as the US TV host who
30:07
Speaker 2: said she'd leave America if he won, Well, she's made
30:12
Speaker 2: good on that. She's living in the UK now tell
30:15
Speaker 2: us about that.
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Speaker 5: She is, indeed, Chris.
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Speaker 14: She said when President Trump got into office, she was
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Speaker 14: out of America and moving over here. She too, like
30:25
Speaker 14: most celebrities, they live in the Cotswolds because it's such a.
30:28
Speaker 5: Beautiful part of the world.
30:29
Speaker 14: She was even spotted Chris at Jeremy Clarkson's pub, The
30:33
Speaker 14: Farmer's Dog. Now, whether she'd have the same political views
30:36
Speaker 14: as Jeremy Clarkson or not, I highly doubt, but she's
30:41
Speaker 14: tried to get away from President Trump.
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Speaker 5: But he's going to be over here twice in the.
30:45
Speaker 14: Next couple of months, so perhaps Allen might be heading
30:48
Speaker 14: back to America.
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Speaker 2: I would have love to see an encounter between her
30:52
Speaker 2: and Jeremy Clarkson.
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Speaker 1: It would have been most illuminating.
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Speaker 2: I'm just going to ask you about this plan to
30:57
Speaker 2: give the vote to sixteen year old in the UK?
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Speaker 1: Is this serious? Has this actually got legs?
31:05
Speaker 5: Well?
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Speaker 14: I think it does, Chris. I mean, the plan is
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Speaker 14: to introduce the lower limit for voting here in the
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Speaker 14: UK to sixteen before the next general election, which is
31:15
Speaker 14: four years away. It hasn't been passed yet, but the
31:18
Speaker 14: plan is to labor have a huge supermajority here in
31:22
Speaker 14: the UK Parliament.
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Speaker 5: There is division over whether or not this is the
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Speaker 5: right thing to do.
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Speaker 14: I mean, as a sixteen year old, should you be
31:29
Speaker 14: entitled to vote? But it looks like everything is moving
31:32
Speaker 14: in the direction that this will be legislated and sixteen
31:35
Speaker 14: year olds will be voting come twenty twenty nine in
31:39
Speaker 14: the next general election.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us again, Sophie.
31:42
Speaker 2: Love the ordinary London streetscape behind you. I can imagine
31:47
Speaker 2: the Beatles playing on a rooftop up above you. Sophie
31:50
Speaker 2: also with Live from London's as he covers all of
31:54
Speaker 2: Europe brilliantly for the News, Court Papers and of course
31:56
Speaker 2: a regular here on Sky News. On the other side
31:59
Speaker 2: of the next brain, the federal politicians gathering in Campbell
32:02
Speaker 2: will get back to that and this big question about
32:05
Speaker 2: tax increases.
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Speaker 1: What's on the way.
32:12
Speaker 2: Let's get back into the carryings on in the nation's capital.
32:16
Speaker 2: And when the Prime Minister addressed his party room today,
32:19
Speaker 2: you had.
32:19
Speaker 1: To handle the elbow. I couldn't believe what he said.
32:23
Speaker 2: Because this is a bloke who's got a thumping majority
32:25
Speaker 2: now in the lower House. He can get anything he
32:28
Speaker 2: wants through there, and he doesn't need to worry about
32:31
Speaker 2: the opposition and the Senate either because he can get
32:33
Speaker 2: anything he needs through the Senate with the.
32:35
Speaker 1: Help of the Greens.
32:36
Speaker 2: Yet still he was talking as if he wants the Coalition.
32:40
Speaker 1: To just get out of his way.
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Speaker 4: Those opposite will have to decide whether they'll continue the
32:47
Speaker 4: course that they set last term, which essentially was a
32:53
Speaker 4: cul de sac. It didn't lead anywhere at or just
32:56
Speaker 4: saying no and not being constructive.
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Speaker 1: That's how close he is to Jijingping. He just doesn't
33:03
Speaker 1: want any opposition.
33:04
Speaker 2: Let's go to camera and now and catch up with
33:06
Speaker 2: Kevin Hogan, who's the Deputy Nationals Leader.
33:08
Speaker 1: Good to talk to you again, Kevin. This is elbow
33:11
Speaker 1: laying down the lord.
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Speaker 2: He basically wants the opposition to agree with everything he
33:15
Speaker 2: puts up. Is the opposition likely to agree with increased
33:19
Speaker 2: taxes or new taxes if they come out of this
33:23
Speaker 2: so called economic reform roundtable?
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Speaker 8: Very unlikely, Chris, And yeah, look it's almost like from
33:29
Speaker 8: the Prime minister, how dare we exist? Hey, how dare
33:32
Speaker 8: there be an opposition? And you know I'm the one
33:34
Speaker 8: of them. Certainly we won't be an opposition that wants
33:37
Speaker 8: increased taxes on anyone. People have battling survive now never
33:40
Speaker 8: learn paid more taxes. But you know, one of the
33:42
Speaker 8: fears I have, Chris, we saw in the last parliament.
33:45
Speaker 8: We talk about opposition and differences of opinion. They tried
33:49
Speaker 8: to bring him through the Misinformation Bill in the last parliament.
33:52
Speaker 8: Now fortunately we've got enough cross benches in the Senate
33:54
Speaker 8: last time to stop that bill. But you know, I
33:57
Speaker 8: actually think that bill is a danger to free speech
34:00
Speaker 8: this country. And you saw that labor Albin EASi if
34:03
Speaker 8: you disagree with them. They basically think it's misinformation, not
34:06
Speaker 8: just a difference of opinion.
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Speaker 1: They wanted to stop that.
34:09
Speaker 8: And you know his hubris, his arrogance and how he's
34:12
Speaker 8: talking very fearful, and I certainly hope that bill doesn't
34:16
Speaker 8: appear this Parliament, but I think it may well do again.
34:19
Speaker 2: Now we spoke earlier to David Pearl in Our Rights
34:21
Speaker 2: for the Australian, but he spent twenty years in Treasury
34:24
Speaker 2: at senior levels. He says there will no doubt be
34:27
Speaker 2: an agenda for tax increases to come out of this
34:30
Speaker 2: economic reform roundtable. He signals negative gearing capital gains and
34:35
Speaker 2: also the dividend imputation taxation that was taken two elections
34:42
Speaker 2: back by Bill Shorten. Are you going to be hardcore
34:47
Speaker 2: here and oppose all and every tax increase put on
34:50
Speaker 2: the table or is the opposition suggesting they might be
34:54
Speaker 2: room for some taxation reform.
34:57
Speaker 8: Well, look, obviously, Chris, I can't comment on every policy
35:01
Speaker 8: that may or may not appear from the government. Well,
35:02
Speaker 8: what I can promise you is this is the coalition,
35:05
Speaker 8: the Liberal and National Parties are a lower taxing philosophy
35:10
Speaker 8: side of politics and labor. I mean, but we know.
35:12
Speaker 8: I mean, obviously that's going to happen. We saw that
35:14
Speaker 8: leak Treasury document last week. We have deficits for the
35:18
Speaker 8: next ten years, big than the I can see because
35:20
Speaker 8: of this labor government. They jagged two surpluses, Chris in
35:23
Speaker 8: their first two years in government because of the groundwork
35:26
Speaker 8: that we'd laid in opposition, and when they came in
35:29
Speaker 8: that was projected and obviously what happened was too early surpluses.
35:32
Speaker 8: But they've been there for three years now, all their
35:34
Speaker 8: policies are in place, and we have deficits for long
35:36
Speaker 8: as the I can see. And of course, like any
35:39
Speaker 8: socialist government, which this is, and it's a hardcore left
35:42
Speaker 8: socialist government, they're going to becoming after more of your money,
35:45
Speaker 8: our money, and we're going to see a lot of
35:46
Speaker 8: proposals to increase taxes, which has a philosophy we will oppose.
35:50
Speaker 1: You have to laugh, don't you.
35:52
Speaker 2: I praised the ABC for the accidental leaker got through
35:56
Speaker 2: that FOI, but it's passing strange, isn't it that the
35:59
Speaker 2: only government leak the ABC has ever got is one
36:03
Speaker 2: that the government probably actually wanted out there to soften
36:06
Speaker 2: up the population, who knows, who knows what went on.
36:09
Speaker 2: I want to go to another policy area though, that's
36:12
Speaker 2: very important for the country and the coalition, and that
36:15
Speaker 2: is net zero. At the moment since Scott Morrison, the
36:18
Speaker 2: Coalition has been committed to net zero. Now Barnaby Joyce
36:21
Speaker 2: was National's leader at the time, then a deputy prime minister.
36:25
Speaker 2: He signed up to that. He got all sorts of
36:27
Speaker 2: deals in compensation if you like, but he's now saying
36:31
Speaker 2: it's time to scrap the commitment to net zero by
36:34
Speaker 2: twenty fifty.
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Speaker 1: Here he was on television this morning.
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Speaker 7: We went through the campaign basically agreeing on the crucial issues,
36:41
Speaker 7: crucial policies such as net zero, such as trying to
36:44
Speaker 7: get down the price of power.
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Speaker 1: You believe in it, We believe in it and they've
36:47
Speaker 1: had it for you. Heah, there you go. So what
36:50
Speaker 1: do you reckon? Is it time to scrap net zero?
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Speaker 8: Well, look, Chris, what we are going to do and
36:56
Speaker 8: what we're proposing, and we want to do evidence based
36:59
Speaker 8: is I am very supportive of the party room is
37:02
Speaker 8: very supportive of doing a review. And what do we
37:05
Speaker 8: mean by a review. We're going to have independent research
37:07
Speaker 8: done into what is the cost of net zero, What
37:09
Speaker 8: does it physically cost a tax payer? What does it
37:12
Speaker 8: mean for people's power bills? We want this done independently,
37:15
Speaker 8: and we want to done evidence based. Now, when that
37:17
Speaker 8: comes back, and I don't want to preempt that, I
37:19
Speaker 8: want to say, look, I'm a yes or a no,
37:21
Speaker 8: because I want to wait for the evidence and wait
37:23
Speaker 8: for the data. Now, I respect your opinion, I respect
37:26
Speaker 8: Barnaby's opinion, but we.
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Speaker 2: Want to don in fairness, Kevin, you know I could
37:31
Speaker 2: send you a couple of my editorials from this very program,
37:34
Speaker 2: or columns I've written for the paper. I could send
37:36
Speaker 2: you Chris Yulman's excellent piece in the Weekend Australian this
37:39
Speaker 2: past weekend. You could spend ten minutes googling what's happening
37:43
Speaker 2: in Europe and America. It doesn't take much research to
37:47
Speaker 2: find out that a net zero is costing a bomb,
37:51
Speaker 2: b that net zero itself is actually not achievable, it's
37:55
Speaker 2: not practically achievable. And thirdly that in Australia's case, whether
37:59
Speaker 2: or not we do it, we will have no influence
38:01
Speaker 2: on the global environment, the global atmosphere whatsoever.
38:05
Speaker 1: So what's so hard about coming to a conclusion.
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Speaker 8: Now, well, Chris, I hear you, and I've read a
38:12
Speaker 8: lot of those documents and a lot of those articles
38:14
Speaker 8: as well. But what I would say to that is
38:16
Speaker 8: I respect that we, as a part of them, have
38:19
Speaker 8: decided to go through a process to see where we
38:21
Speaker 8: end up with it. I respect that decision. I respect
38:24
Speaker 8: the process. Now we're in opposition for three years, Chris,
38:28
Speaker 8: so you know, but over the next number of months,
38:30
Speaker 8: this won't be a multi year process. This will be
38:32
Speaker 8: just a few month process that we want to collate
38:35
Speaker 8: a certain amount of data. We're getting Senator Matt Carnavan
38:38
Speaker 8: and Rosskintel to run the process. They will come back
38:41
Speaker 8: to the room with a lot of the data that
38:43
Speaker 8: you've just said and a lot of the opinions that
38:44
Speaker 8: you've just said, and we will revisit it. And I
38:47
Speaker 8: respect that process, and I don't want to pre empt
38:49
Speaker 8: that process.
38:50
Speaker 1: We'll see, but it's time to have the debate. Enough
38:52
Speaker 1: of the reviews.
38:52
Speaker 2: We need to get into the debate because the future
38:55
Speaker 2: of the country is at stake. Thanks so much for
38:57
Speaker 2: joining us, Kevin, really appreciate it. Kevin Hogan, there's the
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Speaker 2: Deputy Nationals Leader Parliament sitting for the first time for
39:03
Speaker 2: the second term of the Albanese government. Tomorrow we'll see
39:06
Speaker 2: what transpires tomorrow. Won't be a hell of a lot tomorrow,
39:08
Speaker 2: to be honest, because there'll be no question time anyway.
39:11
Speaker 2: On the other side of the break, I'm going to
39:12
Speaker 2: catch up with Jemyton Uni and Carolina also as ever,
39:15
Speaker 2: and we're going to talk about it, among other things,
39:18
Speaker 2: a pretty bizarre new edict from the ABC. Okay, let's
39:26
Speaker 2: get into it all with Jemmaton JUNI here on the
39:28
Speaker 2: desk with me from GT Communications. Great to see a
39:30
Speaker 2: Gemma and over in Perth, CAROLINEA is our host of
39:32
Speaker 2: the Royal Report and so much more. I want to
39:36
Speaker 2: start off to get your thoughts on the reckless renewables debate.
39:38
Speaker 2: It's still going right and there's so many instances around
39:42
Speaker 2: the country and within the Albanize labor government re elected.
39:45
Speaker 1: I think they're going to expect to.
39:46
Speaker 2: Bulldoze straight over these people, but they're not going to
39:51
Speaker 2: lay down quietly. There's another meeting in the Yas region
39:55
Speaker 2: of New South Wales late last week. Great coverage by
39:59
Speaker 2: James Willison the Daily Telegraph is some of what went
40:02
Speaker 2: down about this transmission line.
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Speaker 1: This is it really is everything.
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Speaker 12: I'll believe in building the Gawner for forty bloody years
40:11
Speaker 12: the cool thing.
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Speaker 4: And you you guys come along.
40:16
Speaker 2: And yeah, people are upset about understandably so Caroline. Of course,
40:22
Speaker 2: as you might have picked from that background, he's not
40:24
Speaker 2: in Perth. She's made it to the nation's capital. And
40:27
Speaker 2: so this battle about this transmission line is just down
40:30
Speaker 2: the road from where you are now.
40:32
Speaker 1: This is symptomatic of what's going around the country.
40:34
Speaker 2: These landholders have got rights and they're being trampled on.
40:41
Speaker 1: Yeah.
40:42
Speaker 16: Absolutely, And for all the talk about consultation, you really
40:47
Speaker 16: wonder whether it's been necessarily done in a genuine way.
40:51
Speaker 16: And I grew up in obviously regional Western Australia, but
40:55
Speaker 16: I'm pretty used to that sort of direct language and
40:59
Speaker 16: they know when some one is taking the mickey and
41:03
Speaker 16: fair enough. And what is a little bit different about
41:07
Speaker 16: say those regional farms. And it's different from other workplaces.
41:11
Speaker 16: But these people live on their workplace, right, It's not
41:15
Speaker 16: like they go to a day job somewhere or they
41:17
Speaker 16: have a business somewhere else from their home. Their home
41:21
Speaker 16: is where they work and often it's been in the
41:23
Speaker 16: family for generations, so you know the fact that they're
41:27
Speaker 16: going to have, you know, this sort of infrastructure just
41:31
Speaker 16: comes through without any consideration for their own property and
41:35
Speaker 16: for their livelihood and for their own personal wellbeing. I
41:39
Speaker 16: can understand why people are upsetting, and I think, you know,
41:43
Speaker 16: I can understand that there is an appetite in various
41:47
Speaker 16: quarters for this sort of power generation, but they'll lose
41:53
Speaker 16: their social license very very quickly. And interestingly, in this
41:57
Speaker 16: particular example, the local indigenous community also oppose it.
42:01
Speaker 5: So I'd really like.
42:02
Speaker 16: To see how seriously they are going to take it,
42:07
Speaker 16: because you can't just pick and choose when indigenous culture is,
42:12
Speaker 16: when it's politically expedient for you, and when it isn't.
42:15
Speaker 16: So it'll be very interesting to see where these companies
42:17
Speaker 16: go to from here.
42:19
Speaker 2: Jim, of the usual types who jump on board any
42:22
Speaker 2: environmental protests around the country, there's strangely silent when it
42:27
Speaker 2: comes to renewable projects and transmission line projects.
42:30
Speaker 17: Well, it's the same people who are silent as Juris
42:32
Speaker 17: and Christians are being massacred in Syria.
42:34
Speaker 5: Chris.
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Speaker 17: It's the same mental illness for these people because it's
42:37
Speaker 17: actually not about the outcome it's about the ideology. This
42:40
Speaker 17: is the very worst of policy being played out around us.
42:45
Speaker 17: I've always had the position that we need to have
42:47
Speaker 17: an intelligent, effective mix of energy sources. We currently don't
42:52
Speaker 17: have that. We have policy that is a train wreck.
42:55
Speaker 17: Chris the Woman nailed it again in the Weekend Australian
42:59
Speaker 17: these I'm watching that clip and I'm raging on the inside.
43:03
Speaker 17: But part of me is like, we need a Dennis
43:05
Speaker 17: Denudo and we need to get in front of the
43:07
Speaker 17: I'm not joking. They need to be legally challenged because otherwise,
43:10
Speaker 17: as you said, their rights are being trampled. Who's going
43:14
Speaker 17: to go through the Prime Minister's house and I'm not
43:16
Speaker 17: talking about the prime ministerial house, but his residential house,
43:19
Speaker 17: bulldozer and just say sorry, mate, sorry, it would never happen.
43:23
Speaker 17: And it happens in the bush. And people in this country,
43:26
Speaker 17: in the city, they forget where their food comes from.
43:28
Speaker 17: They criticize farmers as they're shoving food into their mouth.
43:31
Speaker 17: It is an anathema to who we are as Australians.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the troublers, it won't work.
43:36
Speaker 2: Be different if you thought you were making some sort
43:37
Speaker 2: of sacrifice for this desperate.
43:39
Speaker 1: Energy the country needs.
43:41
Speaker 2: But it's to set up a grid that can't work,
43:44
Speaker 2: that can't supply our needs.
43:45
Speaker 1: It's unfathomable.
43:47
Speaker 2: I want to go to another issue where the Prime
43:49
Speaker 2: ministers are going to get some coalition support, and that
43:52
Speaker 2: is when it comes to a social media band for
43:54
Speaker 2: teenagers from sixteen year olds up. He's going to press
43:56
Speaker 2: a head with this, according to all reports, and it
43:59
Speaker 2: sounds like he's going to get support from the coalition,
44:01
Speaker 2: although Caroline, I don't know whether anybody completely understands. We
44:06
Speaker 2: understand the intense here, but how on Earth it's going
44:08
Speaker 2: to work is another thing.
44:10
Speaker 16: Altogether well, and this is one where I don't know
44:15
Speaker 16: how it's going to work. So I've got a very
44:19
Speaker 16: high level view on these sorts of things, and I
44:22
Speaker 16: know our friend Steve Senna Tempo has talked about this
44:25
Speaker 16: before that in fact, there's actually a much easier way
44:28
Speaker 16: to do this than what is proposed. But I suppose
44:31
Speaker 16: things that are grandiose, and you know governments love to
44:35
Speaker 16: do those sorts of things. I think ultimately people need
44:38
Speaker 16: to understand what the problem is and put in place
44:40
Speaker 16: a fix that actually fits properly over that problem. The
44:44
Speaker 16: thing is is when you don't understand the technical side
44:47
Speaker 16: of it. And I'm one of those people. I'm not
44:49
Speaker 16: embarrassed to admit you might not necessarily be putting in
44:53
Speaker 16: place the best thing possible. And one thing I do
44:55
Speaker 16: know about kids is God, they are always on the offensive,
44:59
Speaker 16: aren't they. Then they'll work out a way around it.
45:02
Speaker 16: And they've got this building full of boomers who thinks
45:05
Speaker 16: they've got the solution. I think it's just hilarious.
45:08
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't think it's going to be easy.
45:10
Speaker 1: Although I'm sympathetic to the aim, it strikes me gener
45:14
Speaker 1: as kind of weird.
45:14
Speaker 2: We're saying in this country you shouldn't be able to
45:16
Speaker 2: get on the social media till you're sixteen. At the
45:19
Speaker 2: same time, the UK Labor Party are looking at giving the.
45:22
Speaker 1: Vote to sixteen year olds.
45:24
Speaker 2: That push will come here as well too, My goodness me,
45:27
Speaker 2: as if our politics.
45:28
Speaker 17: Are bad enough at the moment, as if it was
45:29
Speaker 17: an opportunistic enough kids stammer as a walking disaster. I mean,
45:33
Speaker 17: it's so transparent. He's just trying to shore up their vote.
45:36
Speaker 17: I mean, I'm not even being tried about it. It's
45:38
Speaker 17: scientifically proven, particularly young men don't have a fully formed
45:41
Speaker 17: frontal cortex till their late twenties. And you know what,
45:45
Speaker 17: sixteen year old is able to take response. Yeah, they
45:47
Speaker 17: might be able to pay tax and go to work
45:50
Speaker 17: and whatnot, but they are protected under the law in
45:54
Speaker 17: various different ways, as they should be because they are
45:57
Speaker 17: not yet capable of this sort off. It's like people
46:00
Speaker 17: should be able to make decisions that they are capable
46:03
Speaker 17: of taking responsibility for. And this is a terrible, terrible decision.
46:08
Speaker 17: The push has been intermediately here.
46:10
Speaker 2: Over the year from the Greens, mainly from labor.
46:13
Speaker 1: This is mainstream from labor.
46:14
Speaker 17: But you've also got a Prime minister in Kirstarma who's
46:16
Speaker 17: on his knees in a labor government who's on his knees.
46:18
Speaker 17: So like desperation reeks, and this one stinks like a
46:21
Speaker 17: bag full of headless fish on a forty degree day
46:24
Speaker 17: in Fremantle.
46:25
Speaker 2: Also with compulsory voting here, imagine compulsory voting for sixteen
46:29
Speaker 2: year old's unbelievable.
46:30
Speaker 1: Clean your bedroom and go and vote. It just doesn't
46:32
Speaker 1: make any sense. Get up before midday.
46:35
Speaker 2: I've got to raise with you this bizarre intervention of
46:39
Speaker 2: the ABC. It goes to show how in the modern world,
46:42
Speaker 2: you can't apparently instruct or direct anybody to do anything.
46:46
Speaker 2: They're saying that television broadcast journalists cannot be told to
46:50
Speaker 2: either improve their appearance or the way they speak. And
46:54
Speaker 2: they're not talking about going back to the way they
46:56
Speaker 2: started decades ago.
46:58
Speaker 18: Have a look there, I'm good, evening better than gentlemen
47:02
Speaker 18: and children. This emblem that you've done seem just then
47:07
Speaker 18: the symbol of a hatiger cat the opening of a
47:10
Speaker 18: national television.
47:11
Speaker 2: They now, no one is saying, Caroline, they need to
47:14
Speaker 2: speak like that. But if they're in television, they've got
47:17
Speaker 2: to be to be told get a haircut, straighten yourself up,
47:21
Speaker 2: shave perhaps, and try and speak more clearly.
47:26
Speaker 16: Well, I just don't really see what the big issue
47:29
Speaker 16: is here. And what is interesting is that there seems
47:32
Speaker 16: to be a couple of rules. So you can be
47:34
Speaker 16: told to fix your collar or fix your tie, which
47:39
Speaker 16: generally there are things that blokes wear, although granted women
47:42
Speaker 16: wear collars, but you know that's a more male related
47:45
Speaker 16: to tie. But you can't talk about makeup, hair, and
47:49
Speaker 16: like you said, broadcast voice. As someone who is on
47:52
Speaker 16: television regularly, if I look like I'd been dragged through
47:55
Speaker 16: a bush backwards.
47:56
Speaker 5: And it can often happen.
47:57
Speaker 16: You'll get ready to go on TV and you realize
47:59
Speaker 16: you've got a stray hair, but a stray hair, or
48:02
Speaker 16: you know you've smudged your makeup. I would want someone
48:05
Speaker 16: to tell me, why would you not tell your colleague
48:08
Speaker 16: that they got spin it in their teeth before to
48:10
Speaker 16: broadcast across the country?
48:12
Speaker 5: That is cruel. Quickly there comes from HR.
48:15
Speaker 1: You got twenty seconds, Jemma.
48:17
Speaker 17: All I could say is if you don't want to
48:19
Speaker 17: be in this game, don't be in this game. And
48:20
Speaker 17: that is the most ridiculous, soft, chilly shelling, limp wristed
48:25
Speaker 17: garbage that would never have stood up in a commercial newsroom.
48:29
Speaker 17: You don't want to be criticized for how you look
48:31
Speaker 17: and sound. Don't work in an industry that is based
48:33
Speaker 17: on how you look and sound.
48:34
Speaker 1: Spot On, we got through the whole hour and we
48:36
Speaker 1: didn't mention Coldplaygate this week, Thanks very much, Jemma and Caroline.
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Speaker 1: Here's Peter Fridlin.