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From Asphalt to Innovation: How Race Factory USA Is Rewriting the Karting Playbook · BREAK/FIX the Motorsports & Vehicle Enthusiast Variety Show

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  Break fix podcast is all about capturing the living history of people from
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  all over the auto sphere, from wrench turners and racers to artists, authors,
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  designers, and everything in between.
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  Our goal is to inspire a new generation of petrol heads that wonder.
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  How did they get that job or become that person?
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  The road to success is paved by all of us because everyone has a story.
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  Continuing our quest to spread motorsports enthusiasm.
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  Tonight, we get as close to the asphalt as possible by sitting down
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  with two gentlemen who are on course to redefine the world of carding.
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  Our guests tonight are Dr.
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  Anthony Jechezero.
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  Also known as Dr.
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  T, a 23 year physical medicine and health expert with over two decades of
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  motorcycles and road racing behind him.
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  He has turned to the world of karting with his partner Race Liberante, who
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  started in karting at the age of four and 21 years later has won multiple
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  karting championships, working his way into stock car racing and is the reigning
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  SK USA pro tour shifter champion.
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  And as always, I'm your host Brad and I'm Eric.
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  So without further ado, we'd like to welcome Dr.
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  T and race to break, fix, to share their stories and talk about their
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  latest endeavor, race factory USA and all American carting
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  company and chassis builder.
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  Welcome to the show guys.
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  Hey guys, how you doing today?
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  So Dr.
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  T tell us all about your background, your motorsports history.
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  You know, it's funny that you ask that question because my motorsports background
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  started where race is probably is now.
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  I wasn't allowed to have any of this fun stuff growing up.
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  It's a really brief history to be honest with you.
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  With my parents, we just really didn't have the money to do that
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  and, and I was a baseball kid.
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  Well, I actually got to drive some cars and some bikes and did
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  some things my parents didn't know about when I was younger.
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  So that's where the decades comes in.
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  It's a lot of fun.
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  That's why I always wanted to do it.
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  I just didn't have the money to do it, right?
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  Like most, most kids out there.
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  I started when I got out of school and doing some motorcycle road racing.
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  Ran some Ducati Heavy Twin stuff and, uh, Yamaha R6 stuff.
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  Jumped into some cars and had fun with that for a while and then just
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  Bounced around to different things.
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  We've been doing some things here and there, uh, always.
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  So surprisingly being a motor sports organization, we are very well
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  versed in different disciplines.
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  Those being, you know, karting, drag racing, rally, road racing, et cetera.
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  Even motorcycles, a surprising number of people in the
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  organization are into bikes as well.
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  So I saw Brad raises eyebrows there as you were talking
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  about Ducati's and other bikes.
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  So you definitely got his interest, but I'm going to, I'm
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  going to ask the tough questions.
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  You know the car question.
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  So what kind of cars were you running?
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  Well, we were running some m3 stuff e36 m3 stuff.
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  I still have that car I did some dirt track with a patient of mine who said
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  hey you race and I said, yeah I said come drive these cars Can you do that?
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  Sure I can so Who would say no, right?
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  So we just got in the car and we and we and we had some fun doing that
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  Did a little bit of teaching for scca Some of the cars that i've had
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  i've usually had at least a corvette.
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  I have a 2018 transport corvette now that we did a little bit of Teaching
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  and with that those are the highlights.
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  I guess there's there's been a lot of clunkers that we've taken around the track
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  So, let me ask this question as a petrol head what would be your ideal car If I
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  could have any car and at some point I will have one of these cars the ferrari
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  458 And I know it sounds like a cliche today But I got to drive the V10 Audi,
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  the Z06 Corvette, the twin turbo Porsche, the 430 Ferrari, and the 458 Ferrari at
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  an Extreme Experience Day, back to back.
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  I came in, I bought all the cars, and I bought extra laps in all of them,
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  because I wanted to A B test all of them.
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  And those two Ferraris were the cars.
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  I wasn't crazy impressed with the Porsche.
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  Sorry to all those Porsche guys out there.
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  I mean, it's an amazing car But that's not the one I think about it's also
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  not the one that's I have a picture of it in my office I have a of the of the
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  458 now the 488 is out So but that that car was just amazing whether it was in
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  manual transmission mode or you know Power shift mode or just in automatic
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  mode if the car does things that it does it before you think it it's just
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  amazing So it's funny you mentioned you have it up on your wall in your office.
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  So what was on your wall as a kid?
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  All of them, there wasn't a space on my wall.
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  It's really funny that you asked that question.
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  We were just talking about this every year for Christmas, I would
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  get stock car racer magazine.
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  I would not have it all year, but Santa would bring it for me
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  when I was a little, little kid.
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  Right.
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  And in my stocking, there'd be stock car racer magazine and we
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  watched stock car racing and it was a big fan of Richard Petty.
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  My grandmother was a big fan.
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  Like I said, my dad wasn't so much into that kind of stuff.
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  Uh, he was a, like a low and slow guy.
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  I call him, you know, just chrome it.
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  He's not a racer by any means.
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  He's passed a couple of years now, but he would laugh and agree with me on that one.
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  But yeah, so there was that.
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  And every once in a while we'd be able to get some formula one or some open
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  wheel racing every year, we watched the Indy 500, those cars, and then the
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  muscle cars were always, uh, on my walls.
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  I'm lucky enough to have a GT 350 Shelby a couple other things too.
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  So there's that is quite a collection there Out of those
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  motorsports that you mentioned.
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  Is there a favorite that you prefer watching on tv or even let's say
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  Would prefer to drive in yourself Oh, well, I Formula One, of course,
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  that would be a dream too far.
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  Surprise race isn't laughing out loud right now.
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  To be honest with you, the IndyCar series is better racing right now than Formula
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  One is, and I wholeheartedly disagree.
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  And I hope anyone who's listening to this, someone high up in the FIA gets
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  back to having us some grid girls to Formula One and everywhere else, because.
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  I don't see it as sexist.
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  I see it as part of the show, right?
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  You know, who goes to Monaco just to stay in a hotel room?
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  You don't do that.
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  Well, no, nobody's going to Monaco right now with everything
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  that's going on, right?
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  Well, point being, granted, yeah.
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  But that was before this whole thing happened.
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  I'm like, no grid girls!
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  What good is a gridwalk?
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  So we're going to meet in the middle here and talk about carding at the end.
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  But race, you started in karting and have worked your way into cars.
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  And then obviously Dr.
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  T has been in cars and motorcycles and worked his way to karting.
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  So let's talk about your background in motorsport.
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  Yeah.
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  So, um, you know, my name given being race, uh, it's been a family
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  sport, second generation racer.
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  Now, I believe I was three days old when I was first day at the racetrack.
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  So it's been in my blood since what I eat, sleep and breathe every day since
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  then Started racing at the age of Four got a go kart for my birthday that year.
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  And, uh, we started practicing a lot and started actually competing
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  when I was five, cause I was the youngest you could be to compete.
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  So, uh, ran the kid cart ranks, which is, you know, four to eight years
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  old, moved up to junior and cadet and, uh, won a few championships locally,
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  started racing nationally, started winning some more and doing pretty well.
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  And by the time I was 12 years old, I was in a race car full time.
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  Uh, we started with legend cars.
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  Started doing some circle track stuff, doing some road racing stuff in the
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  winter with them with the, with the series they had together in Vegas, moved
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  up from there, do the ASA speed trucks from there, ran super late models out
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  at Irwindale Speedway in California, won NASCAR rookie of the year that year, our
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  first year in the championship, won a few championships in that road racing the
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  car as well as circle track racing it.
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  And then, uh, when funds dried up with the family and, uh, I lost my camping world
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  truck ride, I, uh, decided to go buy a dirt modified and start racing the dirt.
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  Something I always wanted to do.
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  My dad hated the mud, hated cleaning.
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  So, uh, I went and bought one of those.
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  I bought a clunker for, 000 and rebuilt the whole chassis by
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  myself with my crew chief, Nick, we went racing for a few years.
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  I got a, I got an opportunity to go back east and move to Mooresville and
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  run with Ron Hornaday a little bit.
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  And so I started learning a lot from Ron.
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  Trying to again, still get my way into the NASCAR route, learned so much
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  working with Ron Hornaday, not only about on track stuff, but setups and, and,
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  uh, fabrication and things like that.
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  And then, uh, after that kind of dried up, I came back to karting.
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  I got an opportunity to race full time again as a factory driver, which I spent
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  a lot of time doing as a kid, doing a lot of development work for other brands.
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  And in that hiatus.
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  Out of karting, I was doing a lot of, uh, R and D and design
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  work for chassis manufacturers.
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  So, that kind of dwindled into where we are now.
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  Um, that ride fell through a little bit.
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  From there, we had a, I had a lot of customers and, and, uh, a lot
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  of people kind of looking to me for advice and where to go next.
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  And they kind of followed my path.
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  The next step was, was doing what we're doing now.
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  And that's, that's race factory.
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  So let me ask you this about the motorsport transition there.
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  You know, it sounds, I don't want to make it sound like it's formulaic,
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  but it's a similar story I've heard from other drivers, right?
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  Karting and then, you know, early dirt car stuff and an oval and
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  then, you know, trucks and the NASCAR and so on and online.
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  What Why that path instead of road racing and potentially going into IMSA
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  and GT cars or something like that.
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  Is it just because of how we're structured in the States or is it just something you
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  preferred from your family upbringing?
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  So coming up through the ranks, uh, we already were starting to
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  race legend cars and, and that was honestly what we could afford.
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  I don't come from a lot of money, like a lot of racers sometimes do.
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  I come from a very blue collar family.
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  We've worked for what we had.
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  We, nothing was ever handed to us.
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  So, you know, most of this stuff, if we had to fabricate on it, my,
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  my father's a very, very smart man when it comes to race cars, a lot
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  of longtime fabrication background.
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  So we have the tools, he already had a shop and whatnot.
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  So.
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  The legend car thing and the stock car route, not only financially
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  made sense for us, but it was something we could completely do in
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  house with some of the specs on the cars, fabrication was pretty easy.
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  Uh, it's something I can learn.
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  And if some, we actually had to, we always had a team with other
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  drivers to help fund my racing.
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  So before I got to drive, I was working and prepping other people's
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  cars and then mine came dead last.
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  Right.
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  So.
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  Um, and that's how we, we went racing.
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  So that's at the time it's what we could afford because even, you know, I did a
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  lot of testing in, uh, F2000 series and then Formula Renault, which is things
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  like what Marco Andretti and a bunch of other IndyCar drivers came through.
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  I was around that same timeframe.
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  You know, when you got to spend 200 grand on a season and it's,
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  it's not paid for, for you.
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  It's, it's one of those things where we can go spend 50 race and
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  legend cars, or we can go spend 200.
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  And.
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  We'd be out in a year.
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  So it was really the only path we had.
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  We didn't look into the sports car route because at the time I was at kind of a
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  breaking point where, you know, to go run SCCA, you had to be 16 at the time still.
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  And the ages hadn't dropped yet.
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  So I was 12 years old and we're looking to take the next step and
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  advance my career as fast as possible.
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  And that was really.
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  Financially, our only option.
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  I didn't love it at first, to be 100 percent honest with you, I
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  didn't like going around in circles.
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  I practiced for two or three months before we raced, and when
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  we finally raced, I was like, Okay, you know, this is a lot of fun.
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  I'm having a good time.
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  We're doing really well.
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  And that was just the path we ended up taking, because it's
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  something we could do in house.
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  Again, it was something my father and I could completely do by ourselves,
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  and it fit what we were able to do.
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  This is just a curiosity question.
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  Have you done any road racing at all?
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  Yeah, so I did, um, I didn't race any formula car stuff.
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  So I'm from California originally.
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  And, uh, I grew up 10 minutes away from Willow Springs Raceway, which is
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  a historic facility in the West coast.
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  Um, closest racetrack to LA at the age of, uh, what was that?
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  15, 16.
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  I, uh, was a full time instructor.
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  Um, I actually took some time away from high school to do that job.
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  I went on independent study and was basically homeschooling myself for a while
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  to go teach people how to drive race cars.
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  So I got to drive.
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  Any super car you could ever think of at a young age, um, was in a lot
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  of formula cars, testing radicals, um, spec Ford racers, just anything
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  you can put on a road course.
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  I was either teaching or I was actually driving for some people.
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  So my road racing experience actually racing cars is somewhat limited.
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  I did, uh, some spec seven racing and SCCA.
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  And then we had a series out at Willow Springs called the Southwest Superlates.
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  It was actually circle track pavement race cars that were
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  converted to road race setups.
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  And we raced at Big Willow.
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  Guys like Boris said would show up, Sheldon Creed.
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  We had a lot of big names that popped in and out of that series when they
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  were, you know, getting ready for a road race or something like that.
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  That was a lot of fun.
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  I won the championship twice in that.
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  Current track record there and whatnot, and a few different
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  classes at my home track.
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  So that was.
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  That was pretty much the sum of my road racing experience.
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  Again, a lot of it was just miles around tracks.
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  Yeah, no, that's pretty cool.
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  So do you have a, do you have a favorite out of all those different,
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  you know, disciplines there that you prefer one over the other?
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  Ah, you know, I'd have to say my favorite car I've ever driven.
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  To this day is a Trans Am car.
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  It was hands down where I just felt at home.
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  I, like I said, I have a lot of experience and a lot of different things.
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  I drove some Porsches and some, you know, GT3, GT2 cars, some LMP cars.
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  And what I felt at home most was, was the Trans Am stuff.
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  Um, it was always what I was fastest in.
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  Something more like that stock car.
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  Ish background.
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  It was kind of Trans Am is like the perfect mix between the two.
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  Now you're talking, you're talking eighties, nineties, Trans Am cars
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  or something more modern than that.
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  Current, current TA1, TA2 cars.
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  Yeah, that's, that's right in my wheelhouse.
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  That's right.
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  Where I feel like I've always belonged coming from cart.
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  You can drive the cart so hard into a corner and it's so predictable
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  and you get in, you get in some like a Porsche GT three cup car.
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  And with such a small sidewall on the tire and such a stiff tire.
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  It's not very predictable and it was okay to me.
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  It was fun.
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  It was a great time.
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  They're fast.
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  But, you know, I went faster in my 18, 000 stock car than a 250, 000 race car.
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  So that, to me, was just cool.
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  I'm a pretty gritty racer.
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  I'm not about the flash or the wow factor of it.
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  You know, if it turns a lap time around the racetrack, that's And, and
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  I'm having a good time in the car.
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  That's, that's all I can ask for.
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  So that was my favorite for sure.
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  So I'm sure our listeners wanna know, what do you drive on the street?
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  ? Oh, no, . Uh, I drive a 2000 , I drive a 2000 Chevy Chevy Express box truck.
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  Uh, no.
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  I have a, uh, mini Cooper s uh, that I rip around the streets.
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  Uh, it's, it's a go-kart.
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  You hear that folks?
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  Front wheel drive.
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  Front wheel drive.
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  Yeah, if I could, listen, if I could put the engine in the trunk, I would.
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  You should see, you should see him drive that thing too.
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  Well, I won't go too deep on this, but it takes a special kind of driving line
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  to go fast in a front wheel drive, but that's an argument for another episode.
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  We happen to call it fun wheel drive around here a lot of the
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  time, but you know, it's a whole, it's a debate for another time.
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  So you came up through carting and I can empathize with that because I did a
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  lot of carting when I was younger too.
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  I did a lot of endurance carting as a matter of fact, and flying all
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  over the country, running races, not to the same level that you were
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  at more kind of ad hoc, you know, pretty amateur stuff, whatnot.
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  So I will say it's not for me anymore because my back can't take it, especially
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  being in the cart for three, four hours per stint, you know, stuff like that.
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  But the, but the allure is still there.
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  Right.
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  And that's the, that's the fun part about how we all got together
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  for this particular episode.
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  Having us having just come off track for about an hour and then bumping into Dr.
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  T in the pits, you know, working on your guys cart and all that.
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  But we got to figure out how you guys met in the middle, how you guys, how
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  the two of you got connected, you know, East coast, West coast here.
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  So Dr.
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  T, how did you get into carting?
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  I have a kid.
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  Right?
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  So, yeah.
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  It's kind of a funny story.
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  My son, he sees the cars and the stuff in the garage and in the bikes and
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  things and he's, you know, he was always talking about how, when can I race?
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  When can I race?
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  When can I race?
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  His name is Anthony.
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  Same as mine.
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  So he's 14 now.
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  He was 11 and we went out to pit race and they had an enduro.
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  And it was in, it was the Thanksgiving Enduro.
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  It was 42 degrees when we started, it was a two hour race and it was
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  33 degrees when we finished it three hours later, because there was
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  practice and all that kind of stuff.
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  So we go and it was myself, a buddy of mine and Anthony.
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  Anthony was 11.
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  You needed to be.
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  five feet tall and 13 years old to participate.
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  He was 11 and four foot six.
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  Okay.
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  So the nice part about pit race back then is I'd been at pit race since they first
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  paved it the first time, 20 years ago.
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  So we knew everybody there.
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  So I walk in and the girl says, you know, he, he can't race.
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  I said, and I asked for Mike, the guy who was there at the time.
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  And he walks, I was like, Hey, Dr.
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  T what's up?
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  He said, if you'd like to race, he said, do you think you can do it?
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  I said, yeah, I think you can.
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  Let's send him out.
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  Do a couple laps if you think he's unsafe or you don't think it's
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  appropriate, you know, bring him in.
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  I, I would never put him in harm's way, obviously, but I
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  wanted them to be cool with it.
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  So, we have yo I don't know if you know what yoga blocks are.
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  Yoga blocks are like a hard foam block.
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  It looks like a brick.
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  We have them Velcroed to his shoes, okay?
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  He can barely see over the steering wheel.
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  He goes out there.
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  Long story short, the kid Is going out and he came in early
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  because his hands were freezing.
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  We had to pry him off the steering wheel because it was so cold.
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  The first time we didn't know anything about wearing latex gloves
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  underneath your gloves, right?
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  Raise.
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  If it's cold to be able to keep your hand from freezing.
• 17:22
  I didn't know anything.
• 17:23
  We didn't know anything about car zero.
• 17:24
  I'd never been in a car.
• 17:25
  So we come in the race and there's four national level carters there in
• 17:29
  the race and the first team won There was three people on the team was 45
• 17:33
  guys a lot of older guys my age, right?
• 17:35
  And uh, there's these four national level carters young guys and they
• 17:38
  win And they the one kid gets the the fast lap and i'm standing there and
• 17:42
  i'm just kind of thinking looking at stuff and I go Hey who had said who
• 17:46
  had second fast lap and the guy goes?
• 17:48
  Hey, dr.
• 17:48
  T.
• 17:49
  Congratulations.
• 17:49
  It was you I went.
• 17:50
  Nope So my son had second fast lap the first time in a large cart
• 17:54
  in a, in a, in a cart basically.
• 17:56
  And, uh, as we're watching the race before that happened, this guy walks up
• 18:00
  to me and he's standing right beside me.
• 18:02
  He doesn't say hello, doesn't say anything.
• 18:03
  He just goes, uh, is that your kid out there?
• 18:06
  And I look back out and on the track and him watching, I'm like, yeah.
• 18:10
  He pats me on the shoulder and, and says, this is gonna be
• 18:13
  expensive and walks away . Yeah.
• 18:16
  Swear to God.
• 18:17
  Right.
• 18:17
  So.
• 18:18
  The funny part about that is his son drives for us now, and his name's
• 18:22
  Scott Glace, who's a good friend of Race Factory and of ours personally.
• 18:27
  So, he wasn't kidding, by the way, four years ago, that we would be up to our
• 18:32
  necks in what has become So where's the connection between you and Race Liberante?
• 18:38
  So what we got to, we got to use your last name to not get people confused.
• 18:41
  Clearly, I clearly, I do not have the pedigree.
• 18:45
  I moved out to Mooresville for a few years and then ended up moving up to Pittsburgh.
• 18:53
  And, um, the team I was driving with previously was based
• 18:56
  out of Erie, Pennsylvania.
• 18:57
  So it was kind of a good meal of grounds, my girlfriend's from Pittsburgh.
• 18:59
  So it was kind of making sense why I should relocate to that area.
• 19:04
  So I actually started coaching and training Dr.
• 19:06
  T and his son, Anthony, and they became good friends and
• 19:10
  customers of mine for about a year.
• 19:12
  He kind of found out I, I, uh, I lost my ride with this other, other brand I
• 19:17
  was on, or, you know, we went separate ways and, um, um, He was looking at
• 19:21
  buying a new chassis and, and a lot, like I said, a lot of people kind of
• 19:25
  at, especially at our local track, look to me for advice on what's next.
• 19:28
  What should I get?
• 19:29
  What should I be on?
• 19:30
  What setup should I be running?
• 19:32
  So when he came to me with that, I said, well, if you're going to
• 19:35
  buy one because of me, I'm thinking of doing something different.
• 19:39
  And he goes, okay, well, I'm going to do what you're doing.
• 19:42
  What are you doing?
• 19:42
  And I go, well, I can't tell you I'm in talks with some
• 19:45
  investors and things like that.
• 19:46
  And he goes, BS.
• 19:49
  Talk to me about it.
• 19:50
  And I'm like, okay, so we get to talking and he's, you know, I'd tell him kind
• 19:54
  of where we want to go with the brand and, and how I want to differentiate
• 19:58
  ourselves from other carding brands and really other brands in motor sports
• 20:02
  in general, bring kind of like a young flair to it, and he was all about it.
• 20:06
  The rest so far is, is it's not in history because it's still being
• 20:09
  written, but then that was it from there.
• 20:11
  We got, we put our heads down, went to work and here we are.
• 20:14
  What are we now in four or five months later?
• 20:17
  Since we've bridged that gap now, let's talk about Race Factory USA.
• 20:21
  And for our listeners out there, you can learn more about this
• 20:23
  by visiting racefactoryusa.
• 20:25
  com.
• 20:26
  What makes your carts special?
• 20:28
  What's so different about them?
• 20:30
  So to be a hundred percent honest, carts nowadays, we've all pretty
• 20:33
  much found what works in a go kart.
• 20:36
  The differences on our chassis, it looks aesthetics wise, we
• 20:38
  give, give different options.
• 20:40
  So there's, you know, go karts are as simple as they look.
• 20:43
  They're very, very complex.
• 20:44
  Um, the materials we use for the metals are all custom made for go karts.
• 20:49
  It's not just some off the rack tubing you get at your local patent steel or whatever
• 20:53
  steel supplier you've got locally.
• 20:55
  This is all special blended material, all chromoly steel.
• 20:58
  So our blends of material are a little different.
• 21:00
  Our chassis design is a little unique, but the biggest differentiator.
• 21:04
  From our brand to other brands is really our marketing approach.
• 21:08
  Uh, is it's completely different.
• 21:09
  We're trying to build a lifestyle brand race factory.
• 21:12
  Isn't just a carding company.
• 21:13
  In fact, we're in talks with partnering with many different teams for different
• 21:18
  avenues outside of carding for these kids to grow into eventually when
• 21:22
  it time to move up to cars, the marketing approach for us is huge.
• 21:26
  We want to be.
• 21:27
  For lack of better terms, the hoonigan of carting, what, what really turned the
• 21:31
  drifting market completely into what it is today is the young marketing behind
• 21:37
  it, you know, making it all interesting, making all exciting and really boosting
• 21:41
  that up the lifestyle behind motor sports.
• 21:43
  Carting is the purest form of motor sports.
• 21:46
  There is hands down because it's so simple and showcasing that
• 21:50
  is what we really wanted to do.
• 21:51
  There's not another cart brand in the world that does the marketing that we do.
• 21:55
  To try and grow the sport of karting, motorsports in general, um, this
• 21:59
  is a, this is the perfect gateway.
• 22:01
  If you look at the Indy lineup, actually right now, the entry list for every
• 22:05
  race this year, every single IndyCar driver race go karts growing up.
• 22:09
  Every single entrant.
• 22:10
  So this is really the start of a motor sports career is in the carting ranks.
• 22:14
  And it's actually one of the cheapest avenues of, of racing in general,
• 22:18
  and something you can do out of the back of your pickup truck.
• 22:21
  I mean, I started my first business out of a storage unit.
• 22:24
  I was working on people's go karts.
• 22:26
  You can do this with nothing, you know, a hundred dollars
• 22:28
  in tools from Harbor Freight.
• 22:29
  It's something we want to showcase more than anything.
• 22:32
  Our, our go kart does have some pretty cool options on it.
• 22:34
  You can choose between aluminum components or magnesium components, which is standard
• 22:39
  on most go karts nowadays, but we give our customers the option, depending on
• 22:42
  their budget, depending on what they're planning on running, what they're
• 22:45
  planning on doing, and we're in process to give our customers set up manuals.
• 22:49
  So that way, you know, they.
• 22:50
  They've got all the tools necessary to go do the best they
• 22:53
  possibly can out of the box.
• 22:55
  And, uh, we're one of the only companies in the country right now that will ship
• 22:59
  you a race ready, go cart to your door in a crate, most go carts you have to buy.
• 23:02
  They come in a box, all unassembled, no instruction manual, no nothing.
• 23:06
  And you have to assemble it and kind of figure it out.
• 23:08
  So a lot of people motorsports because they're afraid to ask questions.
• 23:13
  They don't know what they're doing.
• 23:15
  So on and so forth.
• 23:16
  There's many different reasons.
• 23:17
  And we're trying to give our customers every tool they need to go be successful
• 23:21
  in the marketing behind it, to help their careers out in the future.
• 23:24
  So let's talk about the carding market space itself.
• 23:26
  I mean, for the longest time, at least, you know, in my generation,
• 23:30
  most of the cars were European, right?
• 23:31
  With either whatever motor you could put in a Japanese or American, from
• 23:35
  what I understand race factory, everything's been constructed
• 23:38
  and designed here in the States.
• 23:39
  And that makes it also a little bit more unique than your typical,
• 23:42
  you know, Soty card or anything else that might be out there.
• 23:45
  So right now we're actually, our, our products are made, um, in Italy
• 23:49
  and Eastern Europe, but they are all designed for our market here.
• 23:52
  Our tires, our tracks, our engine packages, our, our weights, um, the
• 23:57
  weight we have to run, our minimum weight is different than Europe.
• 23:59
  Everything is designed for our, our form of carting here.
• 24:02
  We're working on actually producing product in the United States.
• 24:06
  Uh, unfortunately, you know, with The way things are right now, it's
• 24:09
  very difficult, but it's something that we look to roll out in 2021.
• 24:13
  But yeah, the big differentiator is we design everything for our
• 24:17
  market, not the European market.
• 24:19
  Um, which is, you know, it doesn't sound like much different, but when
• 24:21
  you're on a completely different tire, Completely different engine package.
• 24:25
  Uh, the asphalt construction is even different here compared to Europe,
• 24:29
  as well as the weight of the class.
• 24:31
  It makes it, it makes a big difference when we're just talking
• 24:33
  about a different blend of material or a different, you know, two
• 24:36
  millimeters here, two millimeters there, because everything's right.
• 24:38
  It's not a car.
• 24:39
  It's all shrunk down.
• 24:40
  So a mil or two is, is all it takes to make or break it.
• 24:44
  Let me be relatively clear about what's happening here.
• 24:47
  I have a career.
• 24:49
  I don't need another career.
• 24:50
  I don't need another business.
• 24:51
  So my point being, and one kid's enough to be honest with you, but my point
• 24:56
  being no more kids, but the point being, you know, when, when race and
• 25:00
  I started talking about this, we, we have a natural affinity for each other.
• 25:04
  Number one, meaning that.
• 25:06
  Like, we're always jabbing each other.
• 25:07
  We're always like, it's, we, we've become friends.
• 25:10
  And, and, and that's a, that's a really wonderful thing from my perspective.
• 25:14
  He may think otherwise, I'm not sure anyway.
• 25:17
  So point being this guy's the real deal.
• 25:20
  That's the reason I did this when he talks about their
• 25:23
  design here, that he does that.
• 25:25
  I got involved with this because of the gentleman that we're talking
• 25:29
  to now and his ability to do the things that he's talking about.
• 25:32
  Uh, I didn't want to own a cart company.
• 25:34
  I didn't, I mean, I'm loving what we're doing now, but you know what I'm saying?
• 25:37
  Like, if you got a guy that's really good at this stuff, this becomes an option and
• 25:41
  it became an option for us to do this.
• 25:44
  What I've always been good at in my career, and I've owned 10 offices in
• 25:47
  six states, I've owned other companies and other things, I've always been
• 25:51
  exceptionally good at finding good people.
• 25:53
  You got to go through a lot of them, but you, when you find the right people,
• 25:57
  that's what makes the company great.
• 25:59
  So I, I, you know, kudos and credit.
• 26:03
  To my friend and partner race for being able to do the things that he does because
• 26:07
  he teaches me every day Right, and I think it's funny i've been practicing
• 26:11
  for 23 years and i'm 53 years old He's been in his career for 21 years and
• 26:16
  he's 25 So, you know what i'm saying?
• 26:19
  It's it's a very interesting.
• 26:21
  Uh, It's a very interesting thing that we do together.
• 26:24
  This teamwork that we have is very, very special.
• 26:27
  I believe he is truly the man when it comes to these things.
• 26:30
  I am every day.
• 26:32
  He just blows me away.
• 26:34
  His knowledge base and what we're able to do.
• 26:36
  I do a lot.
• 26:36
  I ask him a lot.
• 26:37
  You sure this is going to work?
• 26:39
  And he says, yes.
• 26:39
  And I, now I trust him because in the beginning, when we're, when we're
• 26:43
  ordering all this stuff, because the designs are his, The, the types
• 26:48
  of metal and how it's put together.
• 26:51
  And when he's taught, when he talks about it's built for us, it is built for us.
• 26:55
  There's no doubt.
• 26:56
  I, he talks about things like he has an engineering degree.
• 26:59
  I just wanted to put that out there that this guy's the real deal.
• 27:02
  And I barely have my high school diploma.
• 27:05
  I knew that too.
• 27:06
  I don't bring that up.
• 27:08
  I was expecting him fully to make a whole analogy about you being
• 27:11
  a truffle and he was the dog or pig sniffing it out or something,
• 27:14
  but we'll leave that where it is.
• 27:15
  At any rate, so this is really cool, actually.
• 27:19
  And I mean, and I'm in awe of what you guys are doing because to me,
• 27:23
  having come up through carding at a much, you know, many, many years
• 27:27
  ago, It was always the same thing.
• 27:29
  It was always the same carts.
• 27:30
  It was the same engine packages.
• 27:31
  You knew when you got a dog though, when it was built out of full weight steel and
• 27:35
  you're like, what the hell is this thing that they drug out of the, you know, the
• 27:37
  back alley, but you know, this is cool.
• 27:40
  And I got to see your guys cart up close.
• 27:41
  And I did notice that there are some things that are unique.
• 27:43
  And I think those probably come from your experience of racing to say,
• 27:46
  you know, Yeah, this didn't work.
• 27:48
  I didn't like the way this worked when, you know, I was running somebody
• 27:50
  else's car or somebody else's chassis.
• 27:52
  So I definitely saw that when I had eyes on and I'm sure other people probably
• 27:56
  will pick up on that too, that it's, it's not the same old run of the mill
• 28:00
  go cart that you're used to, but I want to switch the topic a little bit.
• 28:04
  And I want to talk about two, two things, one safety and two, how you engage and
• 28:11
  cultivate the younger generations getting into carts, especially girls, right?
• 28:15
  So, cause I got two daughters, but we'll get to that in a minute.
• 28:17
  So let's first talk about safety because when you're in a cart as a kid, right?
• 28:23
  Your, your dad or your mom puts you in one for the first time.
• 28:25
  Chances are, uh, you're They're the, the go-karts at the beach or you know,
• 28:29
  kind of like, it's like, yeah, it's like a lawnmower, you know, barely
• 28:32
  better than a lawnmower engine.
• 28:34
  And the things heavy as all get out and it's wrapped in bumpers and
• 28:37
  cushions and, you know, and styrofoam and everything else you can think of.
• 28:41
  So you get a taste of that thrill, of that speed and all that, but it's not the same.
• 28:45
  And as you move up in carting, they get faster and faster and faster.
• 28:48
  And you go from direct drives to multi-speed automatics, to shifter
• 28:52
  carts, to ethanol, to, to whatever.
• 28:54
  I mean, you know.
• 28:55
  Whatever you got out there.
• 28:56
  I ran mixed class methanol two stroke the whole nine yards, right?
• 28:59
  But every time you start adding speed, it gets more dangerous and
• 29:03
  you're not really strapped into a car.
• 29:04
  You don't have a harness.
• 29:06
  You don't have a Hans like we do in the cars.
• 29:07
  It really isn't a roll cage.
• 29:09
  So what do you guys do in terms of safety?
• 29:12
  So, the carding industry, and to give, to give the carding industry credit
• 29:17
  and the FIA, CIK, um, rules that we use from the Europeans, uh, a lot
• 29:22
  of credit, they, uh, they, they have done a lot with safety, uh, over the
• 29:26
  years, you know, so carding, when it started out, there was no bodywork.
• 29:29
  It was a tube frame, all put together, there's nothing there, open wheel.
• 29:32
  Then they went to Nerf bars, which were just metal bars that kind
• 29:35
  of stuck out towards the tires.
• 29:37
  And it was a little harder to make wheel to wheel contact.
• 29:39
  And then through the 90s and up till now, we have full plastic
• 29:43
  bodywork around the whole go kart.
• 29:45
  Now we don't have the bumper system that goes around the tires and wraps
• 29:48
  all the way around the go kart.
• 29:50
  We have plastic full width rear bumpers that keep a lot of
• 29:53
  people from going on their lid.
• 29:54
  Back in the day, actually, one of the things I was taught when I was a 14
• 29:58
  year old kid was how to put somebody on their lid if they disrespected
• 30:01
  you on track, and that was a thing.
• 30:02
  I mean, people could make you flip.
• 30:04
  So, that was with the metal rear bumper, that was very narrow.
• 30:07
  Uh, you would ride over the top of people all the time.
• 30:10
  The new plastic bodywork keeps it more bumper to bumper as long, you
• 30:14
  know, as far as on track contact.
• 30:16
  And then, uh, the suits, the, the racing suits, uh, I work closely
• 30:20
  with a company called liquid sky manufacturers, skydiving suits as well.
• 30:23
  They have material that if for some reason you do get ejected from the
• 30:26
  go cart and you're sliding on the pavement, it slides, it doesn't tear.
• 30:30
  So we don't allow fireproof suits and carting anymore because they
• 30:33
  would just tear and it would rip your skin up and things like that.
• 30:36
  So the suits now slide on the.
• 30:38
  on the asphalt much better if you do for some reason end up
• 30:40
  upside down or on your lid.
• 30:42
  Nothing really stops somebody from driving it themselves into a barrier,
• 30:45
  but uh, some of the insurance companies have mandated different things.
• 30:49
  You know, we, like our home track, we have huge bags full of hay, I think
• 30:54
  they are, that You know, worst case scenario, you plow into one of those.
• 30:57
  You might bend the go kart up, but you know, honestly, I haven't
• 31:00
  seen a, an ambulance ride out of cart track in about, Hmm.
• 31:04
  I mean, I see one every seven or eight months and I, I'm going
• 31:06
  to racetrack every weekend.
• 31:07
  So the safety of the sport.
• 31:09
  Yeah.
• 31:10
  Although it's not the safest thing in the world, cause you're right.
• 31:12
  You're not strapped in.
• 31:12
  There's no seat belts and it's actually safer that we don't have
• 31:15
  seat belts because you do need to be able to roll out of a go kart.
• 31:17
  If you do end up.
• 31:18
  upside down or something like that.
• 31:20
  You know, it's still not nearly as dangerous as a sport like
• 31:22
  motocross or even, you know, soccer.
• 31:24
  At some point I've seen more injuries on, in ball sports.
• 31:27
  And then I do in carting most of the time, the safety gear, the helmets, you
• 31:31
  know, uh, Arai, Stilo, some of these other helmet companies that we all use
• 31:35
  in race cars have done so much for the carting world on their carting helmets
• 31:38
  as well for impact and things like that.
• 31:40
  So the innovation of safety has really.
• 31:43
  Really gotten so much better.
• 31:45
  Even in the last five years for carting, we have pushback
• 31:48
  bumper systems now on the front.
• 31:49
  So that way you do slam into somebody.
• 31:52
  It pushes your bumper back instead of all that force going into
• 31:55
  the next guy in front of you.
• 31:57
  So yeah, although it's not necessarily, I guess, the safest sport you could ever do.
• 32:01
  It is leaps and bounds from what it used to be, and it is becoming
• 32:05
  safer and safer every weekend with everybody working together to to
• 32:08
  innovate the safety side of things.
• 32:10
  Thanks.
• 32:10
  And Dr.
• 32:11
  T, I want to direct this one at you because I know you're
• 32:14
  a chiropractor if I recall.
• 32:15
  So you can correct me if I'm wrong.
• 32:17
  You know, head and neck restraint is a big thing for us in road racing.
• 32:20
  So we talk all the time about Hans, Simpson hybrids, all sorts of systems
• 32:24
  that try to keep the driver from basically having a whiplash type incident that would
• 32:30
  cause them, you know, either to get killed like Dale Earnhardt as an example, or to
• 32:34
  suffer severe injury due to an impact or something going on inside the vehicle.
• 32:39
  Um, Now, having been in plenty of cart races where I've been nailed by
• 32:43
  somebody and you get that sudden either jolt forward or maybe somebody dropped
• 32:47
  anchor in front of you and you just couldn't avoid them, or maybe you had
• 32:50
  to go off road to avoid an accident.
• 32:52
  There's always that just severe jostling.
• 32:54
  You just don't have anything.
• 32:56
  A number one, what, what are some things you can do maybe to help either
• 33:01
  subside the pain, maybe some PT, you know, from your perspective, or is
• 33:05
  there some sort of system, something similar to a Simpson hybrid that
• 33:09
  would work in a carding scenario?
• 33:11
  The, you know, the issue that we had, unfortunately with Dale was
• 33:14
  that in a frontal collision of, of significant impact, the head, think
• 33:19
  of your head as a bowling ball, right.
• 33:21
  On a, on, on a stock.
• 33:23
  Uh, attached to the rest of your body.
• 33:25
  And you know, an object in motion stays in motion until acted
• 33:28
  on by another force, right?
• 33:29
  So, the head kept moving forward.
• 33:31
  The belts that hold the upper torso, the five point belts, uh, unfortunately
• 33:37
  did their job and held him in the seat.
• 33:39
  The head kept accelerating forward where the torso stayed where it was.
• 33:43
  And it resulted in what was called a basilar skull fracture.
• 33:46
  And what happens is that the bottom of the skull ripped out, unfortunately,
• 33:50
  and he was killed instantly, which was, which was a, uh, which was a good
• 33:55
  thing in those types of incidences.
• 33:57
  In carding, because we're not restrained, those types of things, I can't say can't,
• 34:02
  but there's a very, very, very, very Small chance of anything like that could occur.
• 34:07
  The whiplash is definitely something that can occur.
• 34:10
  And because of that, you've seen the neck braces that people use,
• 34:15
  like the EVS, just the foam.
• 34:17
  The foam ones are great.
• 34:19
  The problem with the foam ones is that they limit your, range of motion as far
• 34:23
  as when you're in the cart, if you're looking side to side or what you're doing.
• 34:26
  But the idea is to stabilize the helmet onto the shoulders such that you don't
• 34:31
  get large movements forward, backwards, and actually in any range of motion also
• 34:36
  to an impact on the top, pushing down can cause what's called a, uh, a maximum
• 34:42
  compression, either fracture or injury.
• 34:45
  But I mean, you literally have to land on your head, straight
• 34:48
  on your head for that to happen.
• 34:49
  So, possible.
• 34:50
  Again, possible.
• 34:51
  Unlikely.
• 34:52
  The Simpson hybrid system, you know, that's, it's actually not a bad thing.
• 34:56
  People don't use them in carding because I think they don't see
• 34:59
  the need for them necessarily.
• 35:00
  When that first came out, I was a little skeptical to be honest as to, and a lot of
• 35:04
  guys use them in the ride alongs, right?
• 35:06
  When they're doing the, when they're teaching.
• 35:08
  And you may actually do that, do that yourself.
• 35:10
  They're still with a three point ballot, like in a passenger car, I have my doubts.
• 35:15
  I know it's been tested.
• 35:16
  I know it's better than nothing.
• 35:18
  And maybe that's the best we can do in that scenario.
• 35:21
  In carting, maybe that's something that could be, I
• 35:24
  mean, definitely could be used.
• 35:25
  I don't know that it's necessary.
• 35:27
  I think it's kind of an overkill based upon the other things
• 35:29
  that we're already using.
• 35:30
  Because you just, you just don't get those forward acceleration injuries.
• 35:35
  The, where the skull is moving in the torso is because,
• 35:38
  you know, you get hit you.
• 35:39
  If you go to the front of the go-kart, you're going outta the
• 35:42
  front of the go-Kart , you know?
• 35:44
  Now I've never seen that, but you know, I've seen it.
• 35:46
  My son shows it on me and on YouTube all the time.
• 35:48
  So, uh, I don't know if that was from years ago or whatever it's from, but
• 35:52
  he's like, Hey dad, look at this.
• 35:53
  I'm like, don't let your mother see that.
• 35:54
  Whatever you.
• 35:55
  Because that's a bad idea.
• 35:57
  So what you said, I think that, uh, I think there's a place for all of that.
• 36:00
  I think that what we have now, you know, the, the motocross ones are
• 36:03
  interesting, not to go on, drone on about this, but the motocross ones
• 36:06
  are interesting because they have a piece that goes down the back and in
• 36:09
  the front of the, of the chest, right?
• 36:11
  The torso, front and back of the torso, which limits, uh,
• 36:14
  posterior and anterior movement.
• 36:16
  But then again, you can't really use it because I have one.
• 36:19
  Safety is incredibly important to me.
• 36:20
  I'm 14, you know, my son's 14.
• 36:23
  It's incredibly important to him as well.
• 36:24
  But there's, I always say there's two kinds of people.
• 36:26
  There's people with kids and people without kids.
• 36:28
  And I had no, I didn't have my son until I was 40.
• 36:31
  And you just don't get it until you have a child and it's nothing against
• 36:36
  people who don't have children.
• 36:37
  I think about that myself every day, but whether, whether this was a good
• 36:41
  idea or not, you know what I'm saying?
• 36:45
  To add to what he's saying though, the safety wise, we do have Liat braces,
• 36:50
  which are used highly in motocross, basically the same neck restraint
• 36:53
  you see on, in motocross riders.
• 36:55
  They make a mimic product for carding, uh, Liat, EVS, Alpine
• 37:00
  Stars, the list goes on and on.
• 37:01
  They all make a neck brace to where your head can only go
• 37:04
  so far down and so far back.
• 37:06
  It's not mandatory.
• 37:07
  Uh, the national level, I mean, personally, I don't wear a neck support.
• 37:11
  I like being free to kind of move around.
• 37:15
  But he should.
• 37:16
  I know, and you know, it's, it's funny you guys bring that up because I, I had a
• 37:20
  Sparco one because I'm a Sparco fan boy.
• 37:22
  So, you know, I had the big thick one designed for cars and that was great
• 37:25
  for carting because it was a little extra, you know, a little bit of
• 37:29
  extra thickness underneath my helmet, which means I didn't move that much.
• 37:32
  But what's funny is in the car world, those neck braces or neck
• 37:37
  collars or whatever you want to call them, they're actually seen
• 37:39
  as no good, at least in our world.
• 37:41
  They They will not pass muster.
• 37:43
  So you're forced to either use a Hans or something like a Simpson hybrid.
• 37:47
  So, yeah, but it's, it's interesting to see the overlap there, what works and
• 37:50
  what doesn't let's talk just very quickly from your professional perspective, what
• 37:54
  are some things you can do as a Carter from a, from a physical perspective,
• 37:58
  either to train and get ready for a race or to help ease the pain after a race?
• 38:03
  Like in your neck, your back, things like that.
• 38:05
  If you were in an incident or just the physical conditioning, you
• 38:07
  need to, you know, not be overly bruised, damaged after a race.
• 38:13
  You can't be too prepared for carding.
• 38:15
  Uh, especially as like myself being older, cardio is incredibly
• 38:19
  important, but it's, it's more overall.
• 38:22
  muscular health, if that makes sense.
• 38:24
  It's tough to be squishy in the cart.
• 38:26
  You know, I mean, uh, bigger guys will have problems with, uh, ribs specifically,
• 38:30
  especially when you're trying to learn to drive the cart, it becomes really,
• 38:33
  I mean, you guys know what I'm talking about, but for anyone who's listening,
• 38:35
  it becomes really hard when you're being thrown left and right all the time.
• 38:38
  So it's usually about the ribs and torso.
• 38:40
  You got to have, I know this isn't the question, but the first time
• 38:44
  I ever drove a cart, it was a KT 100 and this was four or five years
• 38:47
  ago and I didn't have a rib vest.
• 38:50
  So that rib was broken, that day.
• 38:52
  That was fun.
• 38:53
  And uh, there's a whole story that goes with that.
• 38:55
  Race knows it, I'm not gonna tell it here, but general conditioning
• 38:58
  is incredibly important.
• 39:00
  I'm not a big guy with uh, ibuprofen and those types of things, but you
• 39:04
  gotta be rested, you have to drink your water, eat well, because it's so fast.
• 39:09
  And when I say fast, I don't necessarily mean we're going 100 miles an hour.
• 39:13
  You may only be going 30 miles an hour, but the transitions between
• 39:16
  rights and lefts and looking ahead and the things that you're doing that
• 39:19
  Ray alluded to earlier is happening so quickly that it's very taxing.
• 39:23
  And if you're tired, just like any sport, you can't perform well.
• 39:26
  You may be sore, and if you're sore, it's, you know, it's ice and
• 39:30
  ibuprofen, to be honest with you.
• 39:31
  You know, we can talk to a bunch of our guys, just the older guys, the
• 39:35
  young, the younger kids don't, they don't, they're like rubber bands.
• 39:38
  It doesn't robber.
• 39:39
  Yeah, exactly.
• 39:40
  Yeah.
• 39:41
  But that's, uh, get your, get your rest.
• 39:43
  Just all the things your mom told you, right.
• 39:45
  Get your rest, eat well, be hydrated for sure.
• 39:48
  And come ready to pay attention to what's going on.
• 39:51
  My other question goes to race in that, you know, rubbing is
• 39:54
  racing, but in carding, sometimes it's like, do you really have to?
• 39:59
  Yes.
• 40:01
  You know, it is racing.
• 40:03
  It's, uh, you know, you can ask anybody at the car track.
• 40:05
  I'm not the cleanest guy out there, you know, whatever got to get the job done.
• 40:08
  But honestly, the wheel to wheel action in carting is, is insane.
• 40:13
  You know, rubbing doesn't really work for racing and open wheel cars.
• 40:16
  Um, and it, it hardly works in go karting.
• 40:18
  You know, you see a little bit of bump and run here and there, kind of like
• 40:21
  you would see at a stock car track.
• 40:23
  Most of the time, a lot of drivers have a lot of respect
• 40:25
  for one another here and there.
• 40:27
  Yeah.
• 40:27
  People get a little rowdy, you get a little pissed off on track and you, uh,
• 40:31
  you know, you reflect that in the guy in front of you sometimes or the guy you're
• 40:33
  battling with, but it's not a necessity.
• 40:36
  Absolutely not.
• 40:37
  For the most part though, a lot of drivers nowadays, we have a lot of
• 40:40
  respect for the safety side of things.
• 40:41
  Like we're talking about keeping each other safe, not
• 40:45
  trying to hurt one another.
• 40:46
  As a sport, it's evolved to where, you know, in the, in the mid early two
• 40:50
  thousands in the era, I really grew up.
• 40:52
  You know, as a sponge soaking up information from people I looked up to
• 40:56
  in the sport or something like that, dirty driving was kind of normal.
• 40:59
  They allowed you to race hard and that everybody had to
• 41:02
  go off of a respect basis.
• 41:03
  Nowadays, we have a lot of rules in place that, you know, you can't use
• 41:08
  the other guy's bumper in front of you to get by him and things like that.
• 41:11
  Our national sanctioning bodies actually have two cameras on every
• 41:14
  corner of the racetrack, and there's actual marshals from IndyCar.
• 41:18
  These people are hired from IndyCar to come marshal the races, and they
• 41:21
  actually call penalties to rough driving.
• 41:24
  So there's a lot of rules in place.
• 41:25
  There's a lot more respect at the racetrack, on the racetrack, and off
• 41:29
  the racetrack from drivers nowadays.
• 41:31
  So dirty driving is kind of Becoming a thing of the past.
• 41:34
  A lot of people are not only forced to race clean, but choose
• 41:37
  to race a lot cleaner now.
• 41:38
  And it's funny you mentioned that because, you know, every time I get back in a
• 41:41
  cart and I do enjoy it, I find myself, and I've had some other drivers say
• 41:46
  this too, that, you know, have kind of come up and come away from carting.
• 41:49
  They go, man, I've gotten slow in a cart because the driving
• 41:52
  style is totally different.
• 41:53
  You got to use your body to kind of get them to rotate and stuff like that.
• 41:56
  But you realize you've gotten smoother and you're a lot more strategic.
• 42:00
  Jake.
• 42:00
  Like I'm always looking way ahead.
• 42:02
  I'm planning out my move, looking for somebody else's mistake and they're
• 42:05
  driving while I have time to catch up to them because it's not like
• 42:08
  a car where it's like, well, he's in a Miata and I'm in a Corvette.
• 42:11
  So this is going to take all about a half a turn for me to execute this pass.
• 42:15
  I think when I was younger, it was way more tactical.
• 42:18
  It was like, I got to take this guy out.
• 42:19
  I got to get him out of my way.
• 42:20
  It's like playing Mario cart, you know, for lack of a better way to put it.
• 42:24
  But.
• 42:24
  It's, it's just kind of funny.
• 42:26
  I think the maturation process of a driver and what you, what you take from
• 42:30
  every sport and what you bring back to it when you're jumping from disciplines.
• 42:34
  So did you see that as well when you moved from karting to stock
• 42:37
  karting, et cetera, or was it kind of just a natural progression
• 42:40
  rather than a learn and bring back?
• 42:42
  Like I said, I was raised in a way that at the racetrack to drive with respect
• 42:46
  and race people how you want to be raced.
• 42:48
  Now, again, if somebody raced you the way you don't want to
• 42:50
  be raced, you return the favor.
• 42:52
  Um, but through my racing career that the stock car world, I mean, those guys
• 42:57
  will flat out put you in the wall when there's 10 grand to win on the line.
• 42:59
  You know what I mean?
• 43:00
  Because, you know, people race like we did.
• 43:02
  We raced paycheck to paycheck every night.
• 43:05
  So some people rely on that gas money to get home and it's their
• 43:08
  livelihood right on the line out there.
• 43:10
  So I can't explain what happens when the helmet goes on necessarily some days.
• 43:14
  I just, I almost forget sometimes when I'm pissed off and I'm,
• 43:18
  you know, that extra focused.
• 43:19
  I kind of forget about the race once in a while, but, Growing up, yes, the,
• 43:24
  everything I learned in karting helped me excel even further, um, in any of the next
• 43:29
  steps I took in my racing career, because I already had the fundamentals down.
• 43:32
  The karting really teaches you the fundamentals of racing, the race craft.
• 43:36
  Like you said, line selection, where you're looking on the racetrack,
• 43:39
  that's a huge one looking way ahead.
• 43:40
  A lot of people look at the hood pins.
• 43:42
  That's, that's a common.
• 43:43
  Thing that people look right in front of them and they don't make the right
• 43:46
  decisions on the racetrack due to that, not looking ahead and being prepared.
• 43:49
  But you learn all these things at such a young age and carding, and
• 43:52
  it's almost ingrained in your brain.
• 43:54
  Like I try and teach these young kids this, and it's, it's such second nature
• 43:57
  to me now, because I, you know, like I said, I've been doing this my whole
• 44:00
  life, I don't think about looking ahead.
• 44:02
  I don't think about telling somebody to look ahead all the time because.
• 44:06
  It's just in my nature now.
• 44:07
  It's just something I do.
• 44:09
  You know what I mean?
• 44:09
  So growing up in carting, I've trained a lot of racers that started in cars.
• 44:13
  And I've trained a lot of kids that went from carts to cars.
• 44:16
  And every single time I can tell when a kid came from carting first, because he
• 44:19
  knows the fundamentals of motor sports from carting, the racing's closer.
• 44:23
  Everything's happening much faster.
• 44:25
  You can talk to any formula one driver.
• 44:27
  They'll all tell you the best training tool shifter cart,
• 44:30
  because everything happens.
• 44:32
  Now, now, now, now, now there's no second to breathe.
• 44:35
  There's no second to stop and think unlike a race car track.
• 44:38
  Sometimes you have, you know, a place like mid Ohio, you're on
• 44:40
  the backstretch for 15 seconds.
• 44:42
  You got plenty of time to take a drink, do whatever, right?
• 44:45
  Carding our longest straightaway.
• 44:47
  We're on it for six or seven seconds.
• 44:49
  And most of the times in a shifter cart, you're banging gears the
• 44:51
  whole way down the stretch.
• 44:52
  So.
• 44:53
  Everything happens much quicker.
• 44:55
  Your hand eye coordination gets better.
• 44:56
  There's just so many benefits to the karting side of things.
• 45:00
  You know, I actually work with James Hinchcliffe once in a while, Connor
• 45:03
  Daly, they all come out and still, during the whole, uh, pandemic when
• 45:06
  racing was shut down, you saw all these IndyCar drivers back in go karts to
• 45:10
  work on their hand eye coordination.
• 45:12
  Continuously.
• 45:13
  It is still a, it's a strong training tool.
• 45:16
  It's just, it's a strong, it's a great learning tool for young
• 45:20
  racers that are looking to progress into something different.
• 45:23
  It's even good for older racers that maybe, you know, do SCCA club events.
• 45:28
  Or track days or whatever to get in a go kart because they can learn so much
• 45:32
  that will just do nothing but help them in their, in their racing careers.
• 45:36
  I do think though, you're right.
• 45:37
  Racecraft is a big one and traffic management is another one and, and, and
• 45:41
  dealing with cars in close proximity, it all translates to, you know, bigger
• 45:45
  cars and other forms of motorsport.
• 45:47
  I think though, what gets lost in translation is the physics, is the weight
• 45:51
  transfer, actual suspension, right?
• 45:53
  Because a cart and a car, nothing alike.
• 45:56
  in the same corner at the same, nearly the same speed.
• 46:00
  Let's say you could do 50 mile an hour in a shifter cart around a slow corner.
• 46:03
  You do the same in a Miata.
• 46:04
  They're nothing like each other at that same speed.
• 46:07
  You know what I mean?
• 46:09
  So it's, so it's kind of interesting fundamentals or otherwise you still have
• 46:12
  to relearn every discipline you move to.
• 46:14
  You're always, you're always building.
• 46:16
  So I just wanted to kind of reinforce that point that, you know, We're always
• 46:20
  learning and even though you know one discipline doesn't necessarily
• 46:23
  mean you know all of them, right?
• 46:24
  So it's always good to branch out and learn new things The funny part about
• 46:29
  that is I was never in a cart until anthony decided he wanted to do coding
• 46:33
  and we did that So, you know, I was used to doing relatively well, right?
• 46:38
  So I had a natural affinity for for driving things So carding
• 46:43
  Oh, man, this is gonna be easy.
• 46:45
  I get in the car, I'm like, Wham!
• 46:47
  Eighteenth.
• 46:48
  Wait a minute!
• 46:49
  Like, what?
• 46:50
  How did that happen?
• 46:51
  And, and, Race loves to point out, Stop driving it like a goddamn car.
• 46:57
  Because that's what's ingrained in me.
• 46:59
  Right?
• 46:59
  So I, you know, I said, I say this all the time.
• 47:03
  I, and I even have, this is one of my, one of the quote, the quote for me
• 47:06
  on the website is that I, coming from cars, I didn't realize what it takes to
• 47:11
  be able to succeed, drive pilots, you know, at any level of carding, not to
• 47:18
  mention the highest levels of carding.
• 47:19
  It's a true Be able to do that.
• 47:23
  And my, you know, my son now at 14, who is, who is a junior champion at our local
• 47:28
  track for the last couple of years, he is so much better than me now, after all
• 47:34
  these years of my racing in general, in race craft, maybe not in race craft, but
• 47:38
  as far as being able, you know, he's 14.
• 47:41
  He doesn't think as much as you should just being able to.
• 47:45
  Pilot that piece of equipment.
• 47:47
  He just has it in him and it's not necessarily him It's because
• 47:50
  he started here and and now He's able to go and do whatever he he
• 47:56
  tested an f4 car last weekend.
• 47:57
  So it is the first car He's ever driven.
• 47:59
  He's never driven a car and not to belabor the point, but I do think you know Since
• 48:03
  we're talking about, you know disciplines and how they overlap each other.
• 48:06
  I do find a lot of times Carting and autocross are very similar because
• 48:12
  in order to be fast in an autocross, you have to be imaginative and you
• 48:15
  have to be able to reinvent the line a lot of times because if you're
• 48:18
  driving gate to gate or cone to cone, you're doing it wrong, right?
• 48:21
  You need to be able to see the path and that's where driving in cars and
• 48:25
  going to carts doesn't work because what they teach you in cars is be smooth,
• 48:29
  do this weight transfer, and it's all about managing, let's say, an average
• 48:33
  of 30% 3000 pounds around the corner.
• 48:35
  You can't just chuck it in there because it doesn't work like you can do in a
• 48:38
  cart or in an autocross or whatever.
• 48:40
  And I also relate it to what we commented on earlier about front wheel drives,
• 48:45
  because a lot of people don't understand how to drive front wheel drives fast
• 48:48
  because they're similar to carts.
• 48:50
  You gotta chuck 'em in there.
• 48:51
  Anticipate some understeer and let it put itself where it wants to go and
• 48:55
  then rocket yourself out of the corner.
• 48:57
  You're doing all that other stuff, you know, this and that.
• 48:59
  And the principles of, of road racing are the same.
• 49:02
  However, and not to go too far off the deep end on this, it's just
• 49:06
  a different driving style, right?
• 49:07
  But they all, again, they all culminate together in this melting
• 49:11
  pot of experience and carting again is the beginning of all that.
• 49:14
  So let's talk about getting kids.
• 49:17
  Into motorsport.
• 49:18
  I got two daughters and my eldest by the way.
• 49:20
  She's like a giant you're talking about Anthony being four
• 49:23
  foot six at uh, 11 years old.
• 49:25
  My daughter is four foot four At six years old, right?
• 49:30
  Yeah, so she i'm ready to put her in a cart man.
• 49:33
  I mean like so I hate to say though.
• 49:37
  My littler one is more Inclined more more just more into cars
• 49:41
  and mechanically inclined.
• 49:42
  However, I think there's an interest there You You know, I kind of stuck her in some
• 49:46
  power wheels in an early age to try to get her, you know, excited about the idea.
• 49:49
  How do I get a kid engaged in karting?
• 49:53
  And number two, motorsport is, let's just face it, male dominated.
• 49:58
  How does karting cultivate a female side of the culture and invite them in?
• 50:02
  So I'll pass that to Raze.
• 50:04
  So, um, it's actually a funny story.
• 50:06
  So my, my girlfriend's little sister is one of the best shifter car
• 50:10
  drivers in the country right now.
• 50:11
  She's, I think, ranked 20th out of a couple thousand.
• 50:14
  She's been carting since she was the age of four.
• 50:16
  I think, you know, getting children, girls, boys, any into carting in general,
• 50:20
  it, you know, like you just said, you're, you're, you're youngest one, you
• 50:23
  know, she's got that inner to go race.
• 50:26
  And do something or be around cars and the interest side of it.
• 50:30
  The best way I can answer that question is the racing industry in
• 50:32
  general, whether you're going into cars or carts is just so inviting.
• 50:36
  I was raised at the racetrack and I, and the core values I learned being
• 50:40
  raised at the racetrack, the discipline I had, my father made me learn at the
• 50:44
  racetrack, the dedication I had to have.
• 50:46
  All of the life lessons I learned, the friendships.
• 50:49
  I mean, I don't, I don't even talk to my friends from high school anymore.
• 50:51
  All my friends are at the racetrack.
• 50:53
  I mean, that's, that's, uh, hopefully one day a father, I, I don't see
• 51:02
  raising my family anywhere else, but.
• 51:04
  But the racetrack, I mean, the thing, the work ethic I was able to learn and
• 51:08
  just anything I just spoke of at the racetrack was just so important to me.
• 51:12
  I mean, I don't think I'd be the same human being if I, if I was never
• 51:15
  introduced to racing and that's honestly why we did all this, uh, to start.
• 51:18
  This is why I I'm so passionate about.
• 51:20
  Motorsports.
• 51:21
  Um, and just an enthusiast in general about racing, because just, uh, I
• 51:26
  couldn't imagine who I would have been, what I would have gotten into
• 51:29
  the trouble I may have gotten in.
• 51:30
  If I wasn't disciplined enough to take my racing career seriously
• 51:33
  or be so in love with it.
• 51:35
  But getting into carting or getting into motorsports, it's, it's all about
• 51:40
  the people around you in reality.
• 51:42
  I think just getting in a go kart, whether it starts at a K one speed
• 51:45
  indoor or a fun land where you.
• 51:48
  Shoot mini golf with the family and you end up just taking your
• 51:50
  kid for a ride in a go kart.
• 51:52
  It's not the easiest thing to get into, I guess.
• 51:54
  I mean, finding somebody to rent a go kart, that's kind of the problem with
• 51:57
  the industry right now, but that's something we're really working hard
• 52:00
  to, to fix is push the content out.
• 52:02
  So the kids do see carding or the family see carding, get the interest.
• 52:06
  You know, all the kids we see at the track, we have kids ranging right now
• 52:09
  at our local club from four to 13.
• 52:12
  They all hang out together.
• 52:13
  They're all playing football, you know, on the sidelines and stuff.
• 52:15
  It's just, it becomes such a.
• 52:17
  Family atmosphere.
• 52:18
  It's such a great place for a family to go and and participate together.
• 52:23
  Um, everybody's there to help each other.
• 52:24
  So it is a super inviting sport.
• 52:27
  Once you're trying to get into it, getting into it, getting that that time.
• 52:31
  Maybe it's a rental.
• 52:32
  Uh, like I said, a K one speed ride, something of that nature there, there's
• 52:36
  cart shops, almost surrounding every go kart track in the country that, that
• 52:39
  have a kid cart for rent for the day that you can throw your kid in or a rental
• 52:43
  cart at the facility, or like I said, an indoor cart track, those are the easiest
• 52:48
  ways into the sport if you're trying to introduce it to a child, but why motor
• 52:52
  sports, why get into carting first?
• 52:54
  Why any of this, uh, is, is again, just the life of the lifestyle.
• 52:59
  I mean, it's, it's irreplaceable.
• 53:01
  That's very true.
• 53:02
  Can't say the same about golf, unfortunately, just kidding.
• 53:05
  No, you can't.
• 53:06
  I don't care.
• 53:06
  You can ask Tiger Woods and he's not as excited as I am about motorsports.
• 53:10
  What does the future of karting look like?
• 53:12
  Like if you had, you know, races, crystal ball, what do
• 53:14
  you think the future looks like?
• 53:16
  As a kid, I never understood why it wasn't in the X games, why it wasn't an Olympic
• 53:19
  sport, why it wasn't bigger than it is.
• 53:21
  Everybody, you know, you can walk up to any kid and go, Hey,
• 53:23
  do you know what motocross is?
• 53:24
  And they're like, yeah.
• 53:25
  And you go, okay, you know what cart racing is?
• 53:27
  And they go, You know what I mean?
• 53:29
  Oh, you mean K 1 speed?
• 53:31
  So we have, especially in the United States, it's the second biggest sport
• 53:34
  in Europe, next to soccer, karting is.
• 53:37
  So we don't see it the same way that the world sees it, per se.
• 53:40
  In America, it's, I mean, it's 10, 000, Drivers deep
• 53:44
  consistently for the last 10 years.
• 53:46
  Now that's people moving up, coming in, et cetera.
• 53:49
  I see the sport being eventually on television streaming, you know,
• 53:53
  the same way that you would see an SCCA race potentially, or a
• 53:56
  Trans Am racer, even a NASCAR race, I think it's way more exciting.
• 54:00
  I think you can put a show on with carting.
• 54:03
  People often move up to cars and they go, man, this is.
• 54:06
  Boring compared to being at the cart track because the racing's just,
• 54:10
  honestly, it's just not as exciting as not, it's not as, you know, there's
• 54:13
  not as much, uh, contact going on.
• 54:16
  It's, you know, I think carting is more of a show than honestly, any other form
• 54:20
  of motor sports on four wheels personally.
• 54:22
  So when we get our promoters together and we start really working together
• 54:26
  to grow the sport, I could see the future of this being on television and
• 54:30
  having a professional side of carting.
• 54:32
  Because if.
• 54:32
  If I'm being honest, I think I work harder to be at the professional level
• 54:36
  of carding than most race car drivers do.
• 54:38
  It's way more physically demanding.
• 54:40
  My hand eye coordination has to be twice as good because
• 54:42
  everything's twice as fast.
• 54:44
  The work ethics there from everybody, the factory, and now as a factory, we put in.
• 54:48
  Tons of R and D work.
• 54:49
  And the, really the only people we're showcasing it to are the people within our
• 54:52
  industry, which is why our focus is more so on the social side and getting people
• 54:57
  into carting and growing this sport.
• 54:59
  I think it takes everybody working together to put that package together
• 55:03
  to not only, you know, we have to grow the grassroots side of it,
• 55:05
  which I think again, carting is the grassroots form of motor sports.
• 55:09
  You build that base and possibilities are endless.
• 55:12
  The automotive world is changing every day.
• 55:15
  We get newer and bigger and better reports about the next EV that's coming out.
• 55:20
  Cause I've been up and down the West coast running at several K ones.
• 55:23
  And even in the South, they're electric for indoor.
• 55:26
  And that makes sense because you want to be breathing in all those fumes.
• 55:29
  But do you see electric as the future of outdoor car racing?
• 55:34
  Many don't know, but companies like Bombardier, which owns Can Am, Sea Doo,
• 55:38
  Skadoo, a huge, huge company, Aprilia, and the list goes on on what they do.
• 55:44
  They make one of the most successful and best go kart engines right now,
• 55:47
  and they've been working with Bosch currently on an electric platform.
• 55:51
  You see these in development constantly.
• 55:54
  The core karting market It would, honestly, it would break my heart
• 55:57
  to see two stroke racing gas and and six speed shifter carts go away.
• 56:01
  The car market is going to dictate and really what we're allowed to
• 56:06
  do with the environment is going to dictate where we go with carting.
• 56:09
  I think two strokes are obviously not the cleanest.
• 56:12
  We've been working on some four stroke options.
• 56:14
  We race four strokes right now and then some of the lower level classes.
• 56:18
  But I do see a future and I don't think it's within five to 10 years.
• 56:22
  I say it's 15 years down the road.
• 56:24
  We're going to see full electric go karts, you know, electric
• 56:27
  engines strapped to these go karts.
• 56:28
  That's okay.
• 56:29
  I mean, it's whatever the market dictates.
• 56:31
  Dr.
• 56:31
  T, how do you feel about the future?
• 56:33
  I, I, I think that the electric cart is a lot closer.
• 56:38
  I say it's within five, seven years, uh, race.
• 56:40
  And I don't necessarily agree with that on that point, but I think that's
• 56:43
  a lot closer than we think it is.
• 56:45
  And I think, again, when he said, as soon as it's adopted by the car
• 56:49
  companies, then it, which it's becoming, I mean, let's look how far we've
• 56:51
  come in the last five years, right.
• 56:53
  From the Tesla to, to the new Bolt and the Volt from Chevy.
• 56:57
  I think the future is bright.
• 56:58
  I agree with.
• 57:00
  Race 90 percent of the time and I think part of what we're doing here to be able
• 57:05
  to showcase what happens here That was the one thing like, you know, i'm an outsider
• 57:09
  coming into this so I get to see this from a different perspective Necessarily than
• 57:13
  than guys and it happens every day and I get I get guys at the track who've done
• 57:17
  this for For 20 years and I look at them and I ask some questions and there's one
• 57:21
  gentleman in particular Who uh, you know, he's kind of a because it's always been
• 57:25
  done this way kind of thing with that That doesn't make you stand out to anybody.
• 57:29
  And it doesn't advance the sport because it's always been done that way.
• 57:32
  I've always been the guy that says, well, why not?
• 57:34
  And why can't we do that?
• 57:35
  The thing that makes me excited about the things we're doing with race factory
• 57:38
  is we're very excited about the carts.
• 57:40
  And we know that what we've built and what race has designed is the
• 57:44
  forefront of carting right now.
• 57:46
  And it just.
• 57:47
  We don't buy and have made and design a hundred of these things It's like
• 57:51
  there can be 20 or 30 of them or 10 even hey this we need we could do this
• 57:56
  better Well, we're already leading.
• 57:58
  Okay, but we could do this better.
• 57:59
  So the next order goes in with a totally new design For new stuff.
• 58:03
  So the constant innovation is really cool for race factory.
• 58:06
  That's what I wanted to be a part of I also wanted to be a part of this as far
• 58:10
  as the branding of it, right because race factory really needs to be about
• 58:15
  Bringing new people into the sport.
• 58:17
  The fact of the matter is there's no real marketing to people
• 58:20
  who aren't in the sport, right?
• 58:21
  so Step one of this is being on your guys show right now, right?
• 58:26
  And your podcast literally, I mean, it's literally where we want to be
• 58:29
  and what we want to do, because if you can't get the new idea to more
• 58:34
  people, then you're not going to grow.
• 58:36
  I don't have any desire to do what's always been done.
• 58:39
  I've always innovated to a point, even in, in my physical medicine clinics
• 58:43
  with medical doctors and nurses and Kairos and like all the types of things.
• 58:47
  So I, I'm, I'm excited about.
• 58:49
  The possibilities, and to be honest, it's a level playing field.
• 58:52
  There's nobody doing this stuff.
• 58:54
  We are tasked with getting out what we're doing to more people
• 58:58
  to be able to bring them in.
• 59:00
  I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but for anyone who might be
• 59:02
  listening, come to a local track.
• 59:04
  If you show up and you decide that you want to do anything like this, come to Pit
• 59:08
  Race where we are, find us, Race Factory.
• 59:11
  You will find people there who you may not agree with all the
• 59:14
  time, but if you need something.
• 59:16
  They're the first person to give it to you.
• 59:18
  Yeah, man, take this.
• 59:19
  You need that.
• 59:19
  You need that gear.
• 59:20
  You need that tire.
• 59:21
  You need that thing.
• 59:22
  How can we help you with the motor?
• 59:23
  How can we, it's, it's amazing.
• 59:25
  And I've never experienced that in any other sport.
• 59:30
  It has a lot to do with the fact that nobody wants to go out on
• 59:33
  track and do laps by themselves.
• 59:34
  So you got to make sure your competitors are running.
• 59:36
  That way at least you can brag that you beat them, you know, whether they're,
• 59:39
  whether they're band aided or not.
• 59:41
  Right.
• 59:41
  I mean, we know that's the, that's the real principle behind all that, but
• 59:44
  I do want to circle back to something important about the future of carding.
• 59:48
  I tend to agree with both of you and disagree with both
• 59:50
  of you at the same time.
• 59:52
  I think Dr.
• 59:52
  T's right.
• 59:53
  I think the future is a lot closer than we realize for various reasons,
• 59:56
  environmental, but also they're going to need to groom formula e drivers somehow.
• 1:00:02
  And they're going to have to get kids into electric go karts early, right?
• 1:00:05
  Because as we know, the power delivery.
• 1:00:08
  And the complete mechanics of electric cars, their handling is,
• 1:00:12
  is totally different than that of gas, the torque curve, all of it.
• 1:00:16
  So though the principle of carting is the same, having driven both.
• 1:00:20
  And I'm sure race you have too.
• 1:00:21
  It's just a night and day difference.
• 1:00:24
  If you take the handling off of the table, outside of that, it's especially
• 1:00:28
  important that we're talking right.
• 1:00:30
  The carting world and the automotive world are talking right now that, you
• 1:00:33
  know, at least through this medium, through our podcast, we're talking.
• 1:00:35
  Because we have the challenge of keeping motor sports alive from a grassroots
• 1:00:41
  perspective, from the club racing perspective, from time trials, from high
• 1:00:45
  performance driver's education and all that, because as sports cars start to
• 1:00:49
  disappear, as the manual start to dry up, as the two door coupes are gone.
• 1:00:55
  And now we're going to electric SUVs and Ford F 150s and all
• 1:00:59
  this stuff that's coming out.
• 1:01:00
  It means less and less cars, except if you're into old cars,
• 1:01:04
  are going to be on racetracks.
• 1:01:06
  And where do outdoor karting tracks generally live?
• 1:01:09
  At racetracks.
• 1:01:09
  And if racetracks aren't, aren't profitable, then the kart tracks
• 1:01:13
  aren't going to be around either.
• 1:01:15
  So we have this weird, and I hate this phrase, symbiotic relationship.
• 1:01:20
  It's mutually beneficial to both of us that both sports continue
• 1:01:24
  because the karters go into cars, the kart tracks need to be available
• 1:01:29
  to make the karting exist, right?
• 1:01:30
  So.
• 1:01:30
  Again, it's a whole ecosystem at the end of the day when you're talking
• 1:01:34
  about four wheeled racing, right?
• 1:01:35
  Motorcycles is a different animal, but still related like, you know,
• 1:01:39
  adjacent to what we're doing.
• 1:01:40
  So again, it's important that we continue to spread this enthusiasm.
• 1:01:43
  And I think you guys are on the right track.
• 1:01:45
  So I don't think the future is bleak in any way.
• 1:01:49
  I just think that people have turned their attention to other
• 1:01:51
  things and maybe are distracted.
• 1:01:54
  I guess the bigger challenge that we all have is how do we
• 1:01:57
  bring people back to motorsport?
• 1:01:58
  I can answer that.
• 1:01:59
  I mean, like I said, I think what we're trying to do is, is going to do that.
• 1:02:05
  The social media side of things.
• 1:02:06
  So if we look at the automotive industry as a whole, karting or
• 1:02:10
  car racing, it's dominantly run by middle aged, old, older people.
• 1:02:16
  You can say boomers.
• 1:02:17
  Easy now.
• 1:02:18
  Boomers.
• 1:02:18
  Old, old men and women.
• 1:02:21
  Easy now.
• 1:02:23
  With technology not, you know, them living through having no technology
• 1:02:28
  to now what we've, we've got now.
• 1:02:30
  I, I think it's Wait a minute, no technology?
• 1:02:32
  Come on now.
• 1:02:33
  He just called you a Luddite, right?
• 1:02:36
  Thank you, yeah.
• 1:02:37
  Yo, he doesn't understand what Luddite means.
• 1:02:38
  If you know what dial up sounds like It's what you're too old
• 1:02:43
  to market anything anymore.
• 1:02:46
  Um, and it's just the truth.
• 1:02:48
  It is what it is.
• 1:02:49
  Everything's evolving.
• 1:02:50
  You know, I'm going to be depressed when we race electric carts because I love
• 1:02:53
  my C12 VP race gas with some castor oil.
• 1:02:57
  I love the smell of it.
• 1:02:59
  It's what wakes me up in the morning, but, uh, you know what, things are
• 1:03:03
  going to change, things are going to evolve and, uh, we're going to
• 1:03:06
  have to just build off of that.
• 1:03:07
  And that's where I think the racing industry has fallen behind a little bit.
• 1:03:11
  You know, I look at the marketing in carding cause it's generally
• 1:03:14
  driven a lot by younger people.
• 1:03:16
  A lot of millennials now are really starting to run the content side of the
• 1:03:21
  carding industry, the drifting world.
• 1:03:22
  If you just take drifting.
• 1:03:24
  As a sport.
• 1:03:25
  It was nothing 10 years ago.
• 1:03:27
  It wasn't a sport, really.
• 1:03:28
  It was a hobby.
• 1:03:29
  It was a sport, maybe in Japan and some of these other countries.
• 1:03:32
  But here in the United States, it really didn't start growing until you saw the
• 1:03:36
  millennials get into it and start creating content with it and start pushing that
• 1:03:40
  content on their social platforms.
• 1:03:42
  Again, companies like Hoonigan, Hoonigan's really taken The sport of
• 1:03:46
  drifting and exploded it to the public.
• 1:03:49
  So we want to do the same with carting and motor sports in general.
• 1:03:52
  I mean, we, we have our hands in some Trans Am stuff, some F4 stuff.
• 1:03:55
  We're always trying to give options to the racers to move up
• 1:03:58
  and help market racing in general.
• 1:04:00
  But I think it's all in the marketing podcasts are huge.
• 1:04:03
  You know what you're doing here.
• 1:04:05
  Like I said, I, we talked before we were recording, uh,
• 1:04:07
  I had my own podcast recording.
• 1:04:09
  Pushing content, I think, is what's really going to drive this motorsports
• 1:04:13
  to the future, um, because in reality, that's the form of advertising nowadays.
• 1:04:18
  I mean, our president uses it to advertise what he's doing every day.
• 1:04:22
  In reality that that is our source of advertisement and it's free advertisement
• 1:04:26
  something anybody can do I I stress a lot when we go to these one off carding events
• 1:04:31
  for people to to utilize their social media to push content to keep content
• 1:04:36
  going in motorsports and And, and try and spread what we're doing because, you know,
• 1:04:41
  again, it's not on TV as much as you see, like you said, everything's innovating.
• 1:04:45
  So we're not, we're starting to see sports cars go away
• 1:04:47
  and electric vehicles come in.
• 1:04:49
  And like you said, trucks and the two door coupes are going away and, and whatnot.
• 1:04:53
  So.
• 1:04:54
  I don't think racing is going to die because of any of that.
• 1:04:56
  If anything, Formula One is, is a strong platform that, that all these
• 1:05:01
  manufacturers use for technology to test in their new vehicles.
• 1:05:05
  So I don't see racing going away per se.
• 1:05:07
  Sports cars are the same thing.
• 1:05:08
  BMW houses a team because you know, they're innovating for the future
• 1:05:12
  for their production vehicles.
• 1:05:14
  So I don't see it going away necessarily.
• 1:05:16
  I see it shifting.
• 1:05:17
  I see it shifting a lot and potentially shrinking a little bit.
• 1:05:20
  Can we say motorsports has shrunk in the last 15 years?
• 1:05:23
  Absolutely.
• 1:05:23
  Absolutely.
• 1:05:24
  I would also say the advent of things like iRacing has probably changed the
• 1:05:29
  way we perceive it now, and especially now in the time of COVID, where you
• 1:05:34
  were watching IMSA through iRacing and Formula 1 and IndyCar through iRacing,
• 1:05:38
  it's like, wow, well, nobody gets killed.
• 1:05:40
  And oh, by the way, I can buy a ringer e gamer, you know, e sports
• 1:05:43
  guy to come in and play for me as we, as we allegedly heard happen
• 1:05:47
  on a few races there, but there's something to be said about that too.
• 1:05:51
  And that's very, you know, dystopian sci fi type of future where racing is now
• 1:05:56
  like ready player one and not us actually physically out on the track anymore.
• 1:06:00
  So I often wonder if maybe that's the end state of all this.
• 1:06:05
  Is it gonna be vr, ar you know, it, it won't matter if it's electric
• 1:06:09
  carts or, or pet petrol carts anymore because we're all gonna be jacking in
• 1:06:14
  like Black Mirror and playing online.
• 1:06:16
  It doesn't matter how old you are at that point.
• 1:06:17
  Right.
• 1:06:18
  I, I would agree with you and to some extent, yeah.
• 1:06:21
  I mean, listen, we all raced on the sim.
• 1:06:23
  During COVID everybody was, I mean, I think stock shot through the roof
• 1:06:30
  when COVID happened, but, and so did Fanatec and all the wheels and pedal
• 1:06:35
  sets and sim sets you can get, but there's nothing that can replace the
• 1:06:39
  adrenaline that you get in a race car.
• 1:06:41
  There's nothing that can replace that feeling, even just again,
• 1:06:44
  the people at the racetrack.
• 1:06:46
  So I think you're always going to have your motorsports enthusiasts
• 1:06:49
  that want to be hands on with it.
• 1:06:50
  I kind of.
• 1:06:51
  Disagree with you thinking that it may replace motor sports
• 1:06:54
  potentially or real racing.
• 1:06:56
  I think it's actually a great Tool to get people into motor sports I think it's
• 1:07:00
  another platform for people to See if it's something one they're talented at
• 1:07:04
  two if they're interested in for a lot less Again labor wise you don't have to
• 1:07:09
  do anything but buy the setup and Put your computer up to, it costs you a fraction
• 1:07:14
  of what it would cost to go buy a race car and try it or rent a race car for a day.
• 1:07:18
  So I think it's a way, you know, look at William Byron.
• 1:07:21
  He started on a SIM and now he's racing cup.
• 1:07:23
  I can see both sides of it, but I think they're always going to
• 1:07:26
  be separate in their own ways.
• 1:07:27
  I think it's amazing.
• 1:07:29
  I use it as a training tool every single day.
• 1:07:31
  I'm getting ready for a race in Sebring next week.
• 1:07:33
  And I've been on the SIM every single day driving Sebring.
• 1:07:35
  I don't see it replacing motorsports ever because there's just nothing like.
• 1:07:39
  Touch the feel, the smells, the, the adrenaline there's, to me, there's nothing
• 1:07:44
  like, and if you haven't experienced it for any of you listening and you're
• 1:07:46
  just sim racers, I suggest getting in a car and going to a track day and
• 1:07:50
  finding that difference for yourself.
• 1:07:52
  You know, there's only one thing that I, that I'll add to that
• 1:07:54
  because I think, I think race factory is positioned very well.
• 1:07:59
  Because let's face it, the reason that people don't get in race cars and
• 1:08:02
  don't go racing, it's one thing, right?
• 1:08:05
  It's money.
• 1:08:06
  It's always money.
• 1:08:07
  Now the VR world has proven that there's still interest there.
• 1:08:12
  You couldn't buy a headset.
• 1:08:13
  You couldn't buy a wheel.
• 1:08:14
  You couldn't buy a, you know, during COVID.
• 1:08:16
  So, the interest is there.
• 1:08:18
  We have to figure out a way to get these people into a low cost racing sport that
• 1:08:23
  gives them the same type of thrill, right?
• 1:08:26
  That they can get with VR, which is much more, obviously, in person.
• 1:08:31
  And that's the karting, right?
• 1:08:32
  So, if we can get them into karting, that's gonna be, get them young, Get
• 1:08:36
  them in, give the family something to, to do together, which all too many times.
• 1:08:41
  Listen, my, my son, he's just like every other kid.
• 1:08:44
  I got to pull the phone out of his hands constantly.
• 1:08:46
  I got to get him away from the screen, the screens.
• 1:08:49
  And, uh, that doesn't happen at the track, at the track.
• 1:08:52
  They're running around, working on cards, going up to see the other cars.
• 1:08:55
  They're actually like, I was, you know, back in the stone
• 1:08:58
  ages race, But, uh, yeah, right.
• 1:09:03
  It won't.
• 1:09:03
  Yeah, right.
• 1:09:04
  Exactly.
• 1:09:05
  So, yeah, I think that our job is to be able to get people into
• 1:09:09
  motorsports, in karting, starting them there, giving them, giving families
• 1:09:13
  something to do together again, I think race factory is a perfect option.
• 1:09:18
  If we can make it cool enough.
• 1:09:20
  And young enough with that young vibe with cool cool shirts like race has on
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  and and good social media I think that we'll be able to do that better than
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  anybody else at this point and we'll just see how it goes Race one more for
• 1:09:33
  you any tips for drivers things that they could do very easily to maybe make
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  their karting Experience better make themselves faster anything you want to
• 1:09:43
  share, you know, some some hidden gems.
• 1:09:46
  There's some secrets So yeah, I, I mean, my training regimen, whether I
• 1:09:49
  was in cars or carts, uh, consisted a lot of hand eye coordination.
• 1:09:53
  Um, when I lived in certain areas that had honestly slot cars, I raced slot
• 1:09:57
  cars just for the hand eye coordination.
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  When you're going on a thousand foot track in 3.
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  2 seconds, your hand eye has got to be amazing.
• 1:10:03
  And so I think hand eye coordination is, is one of the most important.
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  Some people use video games for that.
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  They even make these new things that I, I just, I forgot what they're called, but
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  they're basically little light up deals that like you used to see in an arcade and
• 1:10:16
  you had to hit them as fast as possible.
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  Um, you're starting to see the, a lot of racers use those physical conditioning.
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  I mean, I, anytime I feel good in the go kart well rested, a lot of it has to
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  do with my physical conditioning too.
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  So pounding labs, uh, looking ahead.
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  You know, I, the list goes on and on, but I'd say the easiest is preparing yourself
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  with, with good hand eye coordination, being relatively physically fit, rest.
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  Like Dr.
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  T said is a huge one.
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  If you're not getting eight hours of rest before a race day, I can guarantee
• 1:10:44
  you, you're not going to be as good.
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  Um, and I guess those would be my.
• 1:10:46
  My big three that, and, um, I do a lot with nutrition on a race day.
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  I make sure that I've got a proper calorie count.
• 1:10:52
  I drink enough water.
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  I'm drinking amino acids, things like that to help me recover even quicker.
• 1:10:57
  I may take it a little more serious than most, but it all is up to that end result.
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  So any tips for going faster in terms of driving technique?
• 1:11:05
  Going faster, um, buy a race factory car.
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  Yeah, buy a race factory.
• 1:11:10
  No, uh, I would say, um, you know, data is nowadays, especially
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  even in car racing, data is huge.
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  Um, and I would say being disciplined.
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  I work on, uh, Anthony, Dr.
• 1:11:21
  T's son a lot with his data.
• 1:11:23
  And I would say just being self disciplined, being able to self
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  reflect on what you're doing out there, uh, utilizing your data.
• 1:11:29
  To the maximum potential to really go back and reflect on what you're doing
• 1:11:33
  different, but as far as on track to make you better without any of that stuff, I'm
• 1:11:37
  a firm believer that you have to find the limit and then dial it back five or 10%.
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  So I'd say go find that limit.
• 1:11:43
  Don't be afraid.
• 1:11:44
  All right.
• 1:11:44
  So the last piece here, I give you guys the opportunity to say anything that we
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  didn't talk about and an opportunity to thank any sponsors, partners, anybody
• 1:11:52
  you want to mention at this point before we kind of wrap up and close up.
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  I do want to make a strong point that Race Factory is not just a karting company.
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  We are a motorsports brand and you know, I'm actually outside of home.
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  I'm here in Atlanta doing a meeting with some teams for Trans Am Racing.
• 1:12:06
  Uh, we've had some meetings with F4 teams and F3 teams, Spec Racer 4 teams
• 1:12:11
  to branch out into other forms of motorsports to help people grow into,
• 1:12:16
  you know, help them give them a path.
• 1:12:18
  To the car world to better their racing careers in the future.
• 1:12:21
  And hopefully maybe one day I'll be a part of somebody's IndyCar career.
• 1:12:24
  Um, between that and, uh, of course we have so many sponsors.
• 1:12:28
  Group A Apparel is a huge one of ours.
• 1:12:30
  Delta Sport U4K, which is actually a sim racing team that we do a lot with.
• 1:12:36
  Cross promotion.
• 1:12:37
  And, uh, we put our carters in their sims and they put their sim
• 1:12:40
  racers in our carts once in a while.
• 1:12:42
  Um, so those.
• 1:12:43
  Guys, Steelo USA, Liquid Sky, Whitehall Health Center, Mr.
• 1:12:47
  Dr.
• 1:12:48
  T himself.
• 1:12:49
  We actually are looking to branch out into a actual physical side of that,
• 1:12:54
  you know, tuning on the drivers, tuning on the racer themselves, trying to
• 1:12:57
  make the actual driver better through nutrition, through their physical
• 1:13:00
  abilities and things like that.
• 1:13:02
  It's something that Dr.
• 1:13:03
  T and I are talking about strongly getting into in the future.
• 1:13:06
  So yeah, all of that combined.
• 1:13:08
  Look for Race Factory on all your social outlets, uh, Facebook, Instagram.
• 1:13:13
  Yeah.
• 1:13:14
  Racefactoryusa.
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  com.
• 1:13:15
  And we want to thank you guys for having us on here.
• 1:13:16
  Definitely.
• 1:13:17
  Yeah.
• 1:13:17
  You know, I'd like to thank the people that we've worked with so far, everyone
• 1:13:21
  that race mentioned, obviously.
• 1:13:22
  And then the people at our local track at pit race, they they'd been
• 1:13:26
  incredibly welcoming and, and we we've fielded almost half the field are
• 1:13:31
  on race factory cards at this point.
• 1:13:32
  And I think it has a lot to do with.
• 1:13:34
  We talk about being a motorsports brand.
• 1:13:36
  We also have take a very family friendly atmosphere.
• 1:13:39
  I mean, it's a very family friendly atmosphere.
• 1:13:41
  When you come and see what we do, we're very serious about training.
• 1:13:45
  We're very serious about the carts themselves on, on race days, but we're
• 1:13:49
  all, there's always food and music.
• 1:13:51
  And it's, it's like an event.
• 1:13:53
  For us to be there.
• 1:13:54
  So you know what I mean?
• 1:13:55
  So when you think about race factory, you can think about some of the
• 1:13:58
  baddest ass racers out there, but you can also think, Hey, this is a
• 1:14:02
  place where where your mom can come or your girlfriend or your parents or
• 1:14:07
  whoever to come and be comfortable.
• 1:14:09
  And have a good time with us because I think that's as important as any results.
• 1:14:14
  That's what I've chosen.
• 1:14:15
  That's what Race has signed on for as well.
• 1:14:17
  I mean, he's a hardcore racer.
• 1:14:19
  He's a wonderful gentleman.
• 1:14:21
  And, uh, I thank him as well for helping me to be a part of, uh, and
• 1:14:24
  teaching me personally what it means to be at the highest levels of karting.
• 1:14:28
  But, uh, to, to everyone else that has come out and been so kind.
• 1:14:31
  Our social media person, Alexis, she's incredible and wonderful.
• 1:14:34
  And, uh, we can't.
• 1:14:36
  Put this show on without her and for anyone else that I'm forgetting.
• 1:14:39
  I, I, I, sorry.
• 1:14:41
  There's a lot of great people we're working with and this is for me, it's a
• 1:14:48
  side business that is becoming a passion and I'm just really happy to, to be able
• 1:14:52
  to be on this podcast with you guys.
• 1:14:54
  And, uh, if there's ever anything we can do for you personally, uh, professionally,
• 1:14:58
  please don't hesitate to call me, uh, personally or Race Factory in general.
• 1:15:03
  So I think to wrap things up, as I look back over things, I'm reminded
• 1:15:07
  of when Ayrton Senna was interviewed.
• 1:15:10
  You know, many years before his death and the reporters asked
• 1:15:14
  him, what was your favorite race?
• 1:15:16
  What was your most memorable race of all these F1 races and wins
• 1:15:20
  and pole positions you've had?
• 1:15:21
  And he flat answered, karting, right?
• 1:15:25
  That's when he had the most fun.
• 1:15:26
  He always viewed it as the most pure form of racing.
• 1:15:29
  And for somebody of that caliber with that reputation, with that.
• 1:15:33
  History to look back after all those wins and all those years and
• 1:15:37
  say carding is where it's at That's something we should all take to heart.
• 1:15:40
  We should all think about and I think what you guys are doing is awesome And
• 1:15:43
  I think it stems from those types of emotions that that sentimentality there
• 1:15:48
  And I and I applaud you guys for what you're doing and I cannot thank you guys
• 1:15:51
  enough for being on the show This has been excellent and hopefully educational for
• 1:15:55
  our listeners and hopefully for everybody that's out there listening that's got
• 1:15:58
  kids We're Call up race, call up Dr.
• 1:16:01
  T, look up racefactoryusa.
• 1:16:03
  com.
• 1:16:03
  See what's going on.
• 1:16:04
  Get your kids involved.
• 1:16:06
  This is how we keep motorsport alive is getting the kids interested.
• 1:16:10
  And if you don't have kids, maybe you'll like karting.
• 1:16:13
  Try something different.
• 1:16:14
  Get into something new.
• 1:16:15
  Call Dr.
• 1:16:16
  T for your chiropractor needs after you're done.
• 1:16:20
  And on that note, gentlemen, again, I cannot thank you enough.
• 1:16:23
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• 1:16:25
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• 1:16:26
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• 1:16:27
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