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HAWAIIAN BEAUTY MISSING @ LAX, DUMPS “MODERN” LIFE, IMPLODES FAMILY, IN TIJUANA? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Did a Hawaiian beauty who goes missing at lax Dump
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Speaker 2: modern life, imploding her family and ends up into Tijuana.
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Speaker 2: As we go to air tonight, that video allegedly showing
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Speaker 2: her in Tijuana is brought into question. Is that her
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Speaker 2: has she been misidentified? I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 3: As the family is aware. Late yesterday, after traveling to
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Speaker 3: the US Mexico border, we reviewed video surveillance from US
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Speaker 3: Customs and Border Protection which clearly shows Kobyashi crossing the
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Speaker 3: United States border on foot into Mexico. She was alone
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Speaker 3: with her luggage and appeared unharmed. At this time, Kobayashi's
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Speaker 3: case has been classified as a voluntary missing person, a.
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Speaker 1: Voluntary terry missing person case.
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Speaker 2: After all this and we are learning at this hour
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Speaker 2: that there is a motive for her alleged voluntary disappearance,
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Speaker 2: and that motive is and I want to get this
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Speaker 2: wording exactly right, that she wanted to quote step away
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Speaker 2: from modern connections.
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Speaker 1: Could she just unplug her cellphone? We all know where
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Speaker 1: the off button is. How about that? Why do you
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Speaker 1: have to lead us all on a merry wild.
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Speaker 2: Goose Chase spending tens of thousands of dollars of resources
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Speaker 2: to find her.
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Speaker 1: If in fact, that video.
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Speaker 2: Purporting to be her one hundred and forty five miles
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Speaker 2: away from La in Tijuana is correct, the calls for
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Speaker 2: the release of that video are mounting at this hour.
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Speaker 1: But you know what, Let's start at the beginning.
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Speaker 4: Listen picture show Hanna Kobe Ashia arriving in a black
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Speaker 4: hoodie with colorful sweatp while wearing a pair of headphones
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Speaker 4: as she walks through Lax. Her ex boyfriend makes it
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Speaker 4: to the connecting flight to JFK in New York, but
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Speaker 4: Hannah does not. There isn't a lot of time between
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Speaker 4: landing from Hawaiian and catching the connecting flight to JFK,
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Speaker 4: just over sixty minutes, and some believe she simply missed
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Speaker 4: the connecting flight and we'll take the next available flight
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Speaker 4: on Saturday. Her suitcase is on the plane to JFK.
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Speaker 2: That is where it all started. Let's try to figure out.
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Speaker 1: Let's dissect what we know and this Greg Morris, wouldn't
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Speaker 1: you agree with me?
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Speaker 2: You're a high profile lawyer out of Palm Beach and
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Speaker 2: author of the untested on Amazon, greg Before you can
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Speaker 2: mount any case, before we can say tonight what we
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Speaker 2: think happened.
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Speaker 1: We have to analyze all the evidence.
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Speaker 2: Now we're basing our analysis on what we've been told.
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Speaker 2: And I like the family, and like a former FB
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Speaker 2: I er I want to see that video too, the
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Speaker 2: video that the LAPD is not really sing. Normally I
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Speaker 2: don't support spying on a private individual, but in this case,
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Speaker 2: I think the family needs their minds and hearts at
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Speaker 2: rest that she has really been.
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Speaker 1: Spotted into Ijajuana.
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Speaker 2: That said, Gregory Morse, you have to look at not
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Speaker 2: only her frame of mind, but you have to look
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Speaker 2: at her actions.
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Speaker 5: She has a major life change that seems to be happening,
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Speaker 5: whether it's related to this cult, whether it's related to
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Speaker 5: her wanting to quote unquote disconnect from modern society, which
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Speaker 5: by the way, is generally since the beginning of time.
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Speaker 5: What cult leaders tell people, it doesn't matter what error
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Speaker 5: we're in. It could be the eighteen hundredths. Cult leaders
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Speaker 5: then gave some excuse as to why the people they're
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Speaker 5: trying to get to follow them should quote unquote disconnect
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Speaker 5: with regular society, and why it's better to do that,
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Speaker 5: and Also, just on a point, there is no privacy
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Speaker 5: at the border. The constitution doesn't apply at the border.
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Speaker 5: The government can do checks. The surveillance video you're out
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Speaker 5: in the public. So they should really have that video
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Speaker 5: made available to the public so people can look in
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Speaker 5: the family, Okay, determine if it's credible.
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Speaker 2: The family starts to get worried when they get odd
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Speaker 2: texts from Hannah. Now, the reason I'm bringing these up
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Speaker 2: is because it gives me an insight into her frame
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Speaker 2: of mind. Because if this woman is in Mexico, doesn't
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Speaker 2: speak Spanish, has nothing but her suitcase, no money, no anything,
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Speaker 2: in a bad frame of mind. I mean, I write
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Speaker 2: in my book, don't be a victim because of the
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Speaker 2: crime rates in Mexico, just don't go there. So if
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Speaker 2: an ordinary person can end up being a crime target
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Speaker 2: in Mexico, what about a woman on her own that
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Speaker 2: doesn't know anybody does this the language.
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Speaker 1: And all she's got is a suitcase full of clothes.
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Speaker 1: Uh huh.
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Speaker 2: What's happening to this woman if in fact that is
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Speaker 2: her in Tijuana. Now, this is where the family really
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Speaker 2: gets worried.
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Speaker 6: Listen, Hannah Kobyashi's family is concerned about odd text messages
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Speaker 6: from Hannah because the messages don't sound like her. The
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Speaker 6: messages used terms like hun and babe. The messages also
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Speaker 6: don't include any emojis, something everyone knows to expect from
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Speaker 6: a text message coming from Hannah. Kobyashi Kobyashi sends messages
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Speaker 6: to a friend saying she doesn't feel safe and someone's
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Speaker 6: trying to steal her identity and monity. Deep hackers wiped
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Speaker 6: my identity, stole all of my funds and had me
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Speaker 6: on a mind f sends Friday. I got tricked pretty
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Speaker 6: much into giving away all my funds, followed by for
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Speaker 6: someone I thought I loved.
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Speaker 2: Did this woman simply step away from modern connectivity again?
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Speaker 1: Why not just.
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Speaker 2: Turn your phone off? Is she in her right mind?
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Speaker 2: Is that even her her?
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Speaker 1: In Tijuana? Okay?
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Speaker 2: Doctor Jeff Kalishwski is joining me. A forensic psychologist and
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Speaker 2: author of Dark Sides. You can find on YouTube, Doctor
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Speaker 2: Jeff Kalishewski, forensic psychologist, Doctor Jeff, thank you.
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Speaker 1: For being with us. Do you hear these texts?
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Speaker 2: No? Wonder the families beside themselves claiming that her identity
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Speaker 2: has been taken, her money has been hacked. Someone seems
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Speaker 2: to be controlling her. Her texts don't sound like her,
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Speaker 2: and we all have a clear pattern as to how
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Speaker 2: we speak, how we text, how we think, how we act.
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Speaker 2: We may not want to believe where creatures have habit,
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Speaker 2: but we are so does that tell you that something
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Speaker 2: is not right in her mindset? Right?
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Speaker 7: We've talked about this on this program before. Kind of
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Speaker 7: the first step in investigating situations like this is that
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Speaker 7: people have routines and people have patterns, and if people
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Speaker 7: are doing things outside of their normal routines or behave
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Speaker 7: is that they normally exhibit, you start to question, right,
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Speaker 7: a couple of things here. You know, some of these
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Speaker 7: odd texts, like you had mentioned Nancy, what was her
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Speaker 7: frame of mind, particularly going through life change? But the
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Speaker 7: other part there seems to be she's keeping some kind
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Speaker 7: of secret. I don't know if it's a relationship, if
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Speaker 7: it's a contact, but she's doing things outside of the
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Speaker 7: ordinary and seems to be holding a secret. And does
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Speaker 7: that lead to another person who's involved that we don't know.
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Speaker 2: A secret, don't care, I don't care. If he's got
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Speaker 2: a secret that is not relevant. What is relevant, doctor Jeff,
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Speaker 2: is is she in her right mind? And even more so,
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Speaker 2: why won't LAPD release that video? You just heard Gregory Morse,
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Speaker 2: as a veteran child lawyer, state, there is no right
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Speaker 2: of privacy, no US constitutional right of privacy once you.
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Speaker 1: Cross that border, joining me.
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Speaker 2: Alexis Tereschuk Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Alexis all Along.
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Speaker 2: LAPD has been saying it's a voluntary.
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Speaker 1: Disappearance.
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Speaker 2: She's chosen to leave a voluntary disappearance.
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Speaker 1: They knew this piece of the puzzle that we didn't know. Listen, well,
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Speaker 1: she did.
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Speaker 3: Check her bag through to New York. She requested her
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Speaker 3: bag be sent to her at LAX, where we have
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Speaker 3: surveillance footage of her retrieving it from the baggage carousel
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Speaker 3: on November eleventh. LAPD Missing Person's Unit has conducted extensive
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Speaker 3: witness interviews, reviewed video surveillance, and collaborated with local and
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Speaker 3: federal law enforcement agencies on this case.
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Speaker 2: That from our friends at KITV Island News, Hey, Alexis.
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Speaker 2: For those people that have not been in LAX, it's
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Speaker 2: a madhouse, all right, especially when it's under construction. On
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Speaker 2: ternal three, I think, oh, you have to walk down
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Speaker 2: long on ground tunnels at LAX that are constructive cement.
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Speaker 2: There's no phone reception down there. There's a really long wall.
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Speaker 1: It's a very.
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Speaker 2: Confusing airport to a lot of people that have been
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Speaker 2: there many, many times. So many people understood, yeah, she
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Speaker 2: got twisted around and missed her flight. But this piece
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Speaker 2: of the puzzle alexis the police knew that.
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Speaker 1: She her bag had already gone on to JFK.
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Speaker 2: But then somehow she had the wherewithal to demand it
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Speaker 2: comes back to her, and she actually had her bag
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Speaker 2: re routed back to her, and police saw the video
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Speaker 2: of her getting that bag off the baggage carousel.
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Speaker 8: That's very probative, it is, and it's a decision she made.
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Speaker 8: She contacted the airline, she said, I need my bags
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Speaker 8: back here. You know, she was supposed to go on
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Speaker 8: to New York.
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Speaker 1: She did not.
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Speaker 8: She missed the flight, and so she had them bringing
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Speaker 8: the bags back to Telly. She had not been at
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Speaker 8: the airport this whole time. She wasn't camped out at
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Speaker 8: the airport like that movie. She had left the airport.
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Speaker 8: She'd gone to the grove twice. She had apparently met
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Speaker 8: with people to do Tarot card readings because she was
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Speaker 8: paying for that via her VENMO. She was taking public transportation.
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Speaker 8: She was seen around town. She even sent her own
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Speaker 8: aunt a picture of her at the growth. But she
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Speaker 8: goes back to Lax and she gets her luggage, and
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Speaker 8: that is where they have the video of hers with
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Speaker 8: This is different from her arriving the first day in Lax.
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Speaker 8: She gets off the plane. It was a one hour window.
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Speaker 8: She did not get on that flight. Three days later
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Speaker 8: she gets her luggage back again.
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Speaker 2: That's her originally between flies and then when she got
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Speaker 2: her back off the carousel, Alizais, you're telling me she
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Speaker 2: had on something different.
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Speaker 8: She did, so she in that picture she has on
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Speaker 8: those really colorful pants. She doesn't have that on when
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Speaker 8: she's back the next time, so she probably she has
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Speaker 8: closed there when she was in the grove.
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Speaker 1: She could have got new clothes, but it was different.
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Speaker 1: Day crime stories with Nancy Grace to Scott Iiker.
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Speaker 2: Joining me founding member of the FBI Cellular Analysis Survey Team,
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Speaker 2: also form a police officer homicide detective in Norfolk currently
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Speaker 2: with Precision Cellular Analysis.
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Speaker 1: Scott, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: See I find this fact possibly the most probative other
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Speaker 2: than a shot of our Union station with her passport.
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Speaker 2: But right here. Have you ever tried to retrieve a
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Speaker 2: bag that has been misdirected? Much less at LAX. I
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Speaker 2: mean you can practically not do it at them making
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Speaker 2: Georgia International Airport, where there's one terminal, much less at LAX.
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Speaker 2: For Pete's sake, the bag was already gone. She had
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Speaker 2: the wherewithal the mindset, the understanding to retrieve the bag.
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Speaker 2: Gets noticed that the bag had made its way back.
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Speaker 2: She comes back to the airport, gets the bag. Why
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Speaker 2: is that probative? Because it shows me it's her decision
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Speaker 2: not to go on to New York right there.
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Speaker 1: That says it all.
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Speaker 2: And Lapd kept saying, this is voluntary, This is voluntary.
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Speaker 2: She chose for her bag not to go to New York.
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Speaker 2: She chose to come back and get it and leave.
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Speaker 2: But the family, in their hurt and confusion, didn't believe it.
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Speaker 2: And I don't blame them. If somebody told me my
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Speaker 2: husband went missing in LAX, there's no way. If an
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Speaker 2: angel flew down, Angel Gabriel, let's go with him and
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Speaker 2: said David has gone voluntarily missing. He wants to disconnect
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Speaker 2: from modern connectivity. I would say, BS, you're a liar.
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Speaker 2: You can go straight to Hell and.
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Speaker 1: I to Heaven.
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't believe it. That's where the family was at
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Speaker 2: that point. They wouldn't believe it.
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Speaker 9: I totally agree. I mean, you've got that pattern of
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Speaker 9: constantly talking to family members, being on social media, and
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Speaker 9: then all of a sudden you're going to go and
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Speaker 9: you know, disconnect yourself in the middle of a flight
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Speaker 9: and jump kind of jump off the train, so to speak.
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Speaker 9: It just doesn't make sense in my mind. And there's
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Speaker 9: a lot of things that even though I somewhat agree
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Speaker 9: with the l ipd's assessment on voluntary because of you know,
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Speaker 9: getting the bag back from JFK so she can now
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Speaker 9: have clothes, you know, a lot of different things seem
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Speaker 9: to be voluntary, her movement around LA. But then there's
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Speaker 9: those texts, the weird texts where you know someone's stealing.
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Speaker 1: There and they're very learning. Scott Iiker.
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Speaker 2: You know Steve Fisher has been on this. He's a
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Speaker 2: missing person's private investigator, search and rescue specialist and owner
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Speaker 2: of Search Investigations. Steve, you've been working on this and
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Speaker 2: investigating it yourself.
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Speaker 1: What do you make of it? To me, that's the
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Speaker 1: big tail that she got her bag back and left.
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Speaker 10: This was very much it was it was planned.
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Speaker 11: I mean, I know a lot about this case, and
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Speaker 11: there's a lot that the family has not disclosed. She
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Speaker 11: was estranged from multiple members of her family. This was
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Speaker 11: definitely planned. She recalled her bags. I listen, it's her
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Speaker 11: in Mexico. I have I've worked with Greyhound to obtain
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Speaker 11: verification of her mind the ticket. I felt that this
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Speaker 11: had gone on too long, and that's why the other
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Speaker 11: day I announced that, and I said the reason I
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Speaker 11: was doing it telling that she got on the six
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Speaker 11: thirty five am the Santa Sidro was because it was
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Speaker 11: time for LABD to come out with the press conference,
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Speaker 11: and they finally did it that afternoon.
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Speaker 10: But there's more too, There's a lot more to this story.
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Speaker 10: But that is it's her.
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Speaker 11: I've seen other angles of this shot, and you know,
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Speaker 11: for whatever reason, the family doesn't want to accept it.
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Speaker 11: But I think it's important to remember that all this,
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Speaker 11: all these resources poorted in and everything handed did not
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Speaker 11: request that she was already in Mexico by the time
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Speaker 11: this started, and she's you know, she did not request
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Speaker 11: any of this. I understand by the family's searching for her,
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Speaker 11: but there's also a lot that they've known for a
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Speaker 11: while that they have not disclosed, such as the Greyhound
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Speaker 11: her being at the Greyhound station.
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Speaker 1: See she is there.
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Speaker 2: I can trying to figure out if you can see that,
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Speaker 2: Scott Fisher. Is that her retrieving her bag in a
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Speaker 2: different outfit, or is that her buy her bus ticket?
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Speaker 10: This is this is her. I worked with Greyland.
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Speaker 11: This is Greyhound station at Union Station in Los Angeles,
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Speaker 11: and she used her passport as ID. When they asked
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Speaker 11: her for her phone number, she said she no longer
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Speaker 11: had a phone.
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Speaker 12: It is determined that Hannah's phone last pinged around four
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Speaker 12: pm Monday, November eleventh at LAX with no new activity.
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Speaker 12: The phone has not been found. The family obtained surveillance
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Speaker 12: footage showing Hanna Kobyashi around the Metro train station near
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Speaker 12: Crypto dot Com Arena. In that video, she appears to
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Speaker 12: be accompanied by someone. The family post on social media
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Speaker 12: that the video shows Hannah is not alone end quote,
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Speaker 12: does not appear to be in good condition.
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Speaker 2: Straight back out to Steve Fisher joining us missing person's
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Speaker 2: private investigator, search and rescue expert and owner of Search
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Speaker 2: Investigations dot Org.
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Speaker 1: Steve, let me understand you're saying that.
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Speaker 2: You looked at the Greyhound bus photo that we were
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Speaker 2: just showing, and that you have determined she took the metro.
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Speaker 2: I mean, this sounds like a seasoned traveler. Hey, guys,
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Speaker 2: this is from Fox eleven. A season traveler that knows
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Speaker 2: how to catch the Metro at Lax take the metro,
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Speaker 2: which is like a subway or a rapid transit.
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Speaker 1: All the way to Union Station.
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Speaker 2: There she buys a one way ticket, no plan to
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Speaker 2: come back, one way ticket to Santa Sidro. And when
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Speaker 2: you get off at Santa se Acidro, you are directly
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Speaker 2: on the path as to go across the border.
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Speaker 1: It's a tunnel, correct.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, there steps away from it.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, if you're going to Santra Sidro, you're crossing the border,
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Speaker 11: you know, most likely, I mean, there's no other reason
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Speaker 11: to go.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, so she I think it was very much planned,
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Speaker 10: you know.
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Speaker 11: I think the reason that people are so confused is
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Speaker 11: we've gotten some misinformation, like what they just mentioned about
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Speaker 11: the eleventh about her them having surveillance of her getting
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Speaker 11: off at Crypto dot Com not looking well. You know,
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Speaker 11: they've refused to show that footage the family house to anybody,
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Speaker 11: including those of us that were searching, and then we
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Speaker 11: find out just hours later, at six am on the twelfth,
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Speaker 11: she shows up a Union Station looking healthy, hairs washed,
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Speaker 11: she wearing clean clothes, She's got her suitcase with her.
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Speaker 11: So you know, we were told she was drugged and
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Speaker 11: you know this person was manipulating her. So I think
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Speaker 11: there's you know, a lot of misinformation going around.
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Speaker 2: Okay, I need you to be blunt stave Fisher that
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Speaker 2: if you come on stories, sure we don't partake in niceties.
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Speaker 2: When you say misinformation, just call it what it is.
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Speaker 2: What are you talking about? What misinformation? Because if I
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Speaker 2: saw my husband, my daughter, my son wandering around LA
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Speaker 2: with a bag, showing up at Union.
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Speaker 1: Station, showing up at Crypto.
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Speaker 2: Arena, wandering through the grove, sending me odd texts about
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Speaker 2: how she's being controlled and someone's taken all our money,
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Speaker 2: I would be really worried that someone was either controlling her,
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Speaker 2: that had some sort of a mental breakdown, that someone
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Speaker 2: had given them drugs.
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Speaker 1: But you're telling me it's misinformation.
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Speaker 11: Well, it's being put out and there's some misinformation. I
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Speaker 11: think the family knows that. Listen, she's in a fragilemental
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Speaker 11: state for sure, However, the family knows a lot of
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Speaker 11: things that they're not disclosing, and they're making it sound
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Speaker 11: like this scenario where she's being traffic think that was
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Speaker 11: the narrative being pushed. In fact, when I came out
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Speaker 11: and said, you know, a couple weeks ago, I said,
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Speaker 11: this is not the case. This is a voluntary missing.
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Speaker 11: I got a voicemail from the family saying, we want
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Speaker 11: to control the narrative. You know, do not put this
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Speaker 11: information out there. That's just not the way they should
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Speaker 11: run they be.
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Speaker 10: They should be honest information that's put out there for
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Speaker 10: those that are searching, and if you're going.
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Speaker 11: To involve the public, and that's not the case in this.
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Speaker 11: You know, she for whatever reason made a decision that
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Speaker 11: she wanted to do her own thing and get away
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Speaker 11: and listen. Do I think she needs to be found
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Speaker 11: in her mental health check, Absolutely, but I don't think
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Speaker 11: there should be this manhunt for her that the family
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Speaker 11: is continuing with. She is a strange from several family.
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Speaker 1: Members save Fisher.
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Speaker 2: What about the family saying that she was spotted with
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Speaker 2: a male that they didn't recognize and they're worried about
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Speaker 2: that scenario.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, so she was with the mail again. They they
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Speaker 11: said they did not know who this male was. But
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Speaker 11: then when I talked to places around crypto dot com,
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Speaker 11: they told me that the family members were coming in
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Speaker 11: and showing that male social media and asking if they
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Speaker 11: had seen him, so they knew who he was.
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Speaker 10: Just like a laped said they know who he is.
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Speaker 11: Again, I think you know it was to you know,
20:16
Speaker 11: keep people involved in the search and just Declearver when
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Speaker 11: I said, preside, seed of mind, but I.
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Speaker 1: Mean she's going through you're telling me something. Yeah, I'm
20:23
Speaker 1: going through a lot trying to find her, much less
20:26
Speaker 1: her family.
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Speaker 2: But wait a minute, we were led to believe that
20:30
Speaker 2: an unknown man was kind of telling her, possibly even
20:35
Speaker 2: controlling her. Let me digest what you just said, because now,
20:41
Speaker 2: aside from being upset and worried about this woman, now
20:44
Speaker 2: I'm getting angry, and I'll tell you why.
20:47
Speaker 1: I have worked so.
20:48
Speaker 2: Many missing people cases, so many rape cases, murder cases,
20:52
Speaker 2: molestation cases, horrible, horrible cases that need attention. You're telling
20:58
Speaker 2: me that this misinformation that's certainly putting perfume on a pig.
21:02
Speaker 1: Isn't it that the.
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Speaker 2: Family went with the unknown male's picture and said, have
21:10
Speaker 2: you seen this guy?
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Speaker 1: They know who the guy was that was with her
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Speaker 1: in the picture.
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Speaker 10: You should be angry. I'm angry. There's a lot of
21:18
Speaker 10: waste of time in this.
21:19
Speaker 11: Yes he was showing his social Yes, it was showing
21:22
Speaker 11: his social media to places around town, asking if they
21:26
Speaker 11: had seen him lapd you know, basically alluded to that.
21:31
Speaker 11: You know how they knew who he was right away.
21:33
Speaker 11: The family has known.
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Speaker 10: A lot of it.
21:35
Speaker 2: There was all this and attempt to get to this guy.
21:38
Speaker 2: It's not an ex boyfriend, he's long gone. So do
21:41
Speaker 2: we know who this guy is?
21:43
Speaker 1: Is he a boyfriend? Is he somebody she met online?
21:45
Speaker 10: It's just literally just somebody that she met in town.
21:48
Speaker 10: He wasn't the big bad guy that they you know,
21:51
Speaker 10: we were told that he was. She was drugged, for
21:53
Speaker 10: certain was drugged and he was controlling her. That's this
21:57
Speaker 10: is not true.
21:58
Speaker 2: Do you know much bless me and our staff, how
22:02
Speaker 2: many hours we have spent on the phone, pouring through
22:06
Speaker 2: social media trying to investigate our contacts out in La
22:12
Speaker 2: beating the street, trying to find things out, and all
22:15
Speaker 2: along she was with some guy that she met. What
22:18
Speaker 2: in the grove have they been humming around? What does
22:21
Speaker 2: she use a shower and blow dryer.
22:22
Speaker 11: What yes, basically, and this guy, there's just somebody that
22:27
Speaker 11: she met. He's not a player in this whole thing.
22:30
Speaker 11: You know, it's a different story than we thought. And
22:34
Speaker 11: I get everybody's put this time into it, and that's
22:36
Speaker 11: why I was sitting on this information. When I found
22:38
Speaker 11: out Greyhound, I was like, I'm just going to ahead
22:41
Speaker 11: and release it because to force LAPD's hand.
22:44
Speaker 10: I don't know why LAPD.
22:45
Speaker 11: Did not come out earlier than they did and say
22:49
Speaker 11: what was going on, But it was time for this
22:50
Speaker 11: to happen. And there's a reason that the whole family
22:52
Speaker 11: left town a week before this came down to what.
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Speaker 1: Do you mean by that? There's a reason the family
22:58
Speaker 1: left town.
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Speaker 11: They knew Listen, they knew she had been to the
23:04
Speaker 11: Greyhound station, and they knew she had left town. I'm
23:07
Speaker 11: not saying they knew but that she went into Mexico,
23:09
Speaker 11: because I think LAPD did hold that back, but they
23:13
Speaker 11: knew she was in town. And that's when the ant in.
23:15
Speaker 10: A ray left town, you know, a week and a
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Speaker 10: half ago, and the search stopped.
23:19
Speaker 2: Where is Hawaiian beauty Hannah Kobyashi seemingly vanishing at LAX
23:27
Speaker 2: the LA Airport.
23:28
Speaker 1: That is not at all what happened based on what
23:31
Speaker 1: we are learning.
23:33
Speaker 2: Have we all been dragged along on a Mary Wild
23:37
Speaker 2: goose chase. Take a listen to what Chief Jim McDonald LPD.
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Speaker 3: Said I asked would be to anybody considering doing this,
23:44
Speaker 3: Think about the people that you're leaving behind, Your loved
23:47
Speaker 3: ones who are going to be worried, sick about you.
23:50
Speaker 3: The number of people including law enforcement and other partners
23:54
Speaker 3: who are going to be looking for you, which then
23:56
Speaker 3: potentially takes them away from other work that is also
23:59
Speaker 3: critically import So there's a lot other than somebody just
24:03
Speaker 3: deciding that they want to leave and disconnect. Consider those
24:06
Speaker 3: that are behind you and those that will be impacted
24:08
Speaker 3: by your actions.
24:09
Speaker 2: Is Chief McDonald referring specifically to Hanna Kobyashi's father.
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Speaker 1: That's from our friends at Kai TV. But listen to this.
24:17
Speaker 4: Ryan Kobyashi, the estranged father of Hanna Kobyashi, arrives in
24:21
Speaker 4: Los Angeles to join the search for his daughter. After
24:23
Speaker 4: eleven days of searching, Ryan Kobyashi is found dead around
24:27
Speaker 4: four am near a parking structure at LAX.
24:30
Speaker 6: The Los Angeles Medical Examiner says the cause of death
24:33
Speaker 6: is multiple blunt force trauma injuries. The family issues a
24:37
Speaker 6: statement expressing grief and asking for the public to focus
24:40
Speaker 6: on the search for Hanna Kobyashi Alexis to.
24:42
Speaker 2: Rest at Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, what happened
24:46
Speaker 2: to her father?
24:47
Speaker 1: Ryan?
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Speaker 8: So he came here. He was looking for his daughter
24:50
Speaker 8: for eleven days. He was having he went to large groups.
24:55
Speaker 1: He held it assign.
24:56
Speaker 8: He went like knocking door to door down in skid
24:58
Speaker 8: row of Los Angeles, which is not a nice part
25:00
Speaker 8: of town.
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Speaker 1: Desperately looking for her.
25:02
Speaker 8: Then he goes to a parking death near lax and
25:06
Speaker 8: he jumped off the roof, fell to his death. And
25:09
Speaker 8: now that we know this is twelve days after she
25:12
Speaker 8: had already left the country.
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Speaker 2: Okay, that just breaks my heart because she has alexis
25:18
Speaker 2: disconnected from quote modern connectivity, so she may not have
25:23
Speaker 2: even known her father was there looking for her. And
25:26
Speaker 2: she was already on her merry way to Mexico before
25:32
Speaker 2: her father committed suicide.
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Speaker 1: Exactly while he was here looking for her. She was
25:36
Speaker 1: already in Mexico.
25:37
Speaker 8: And there's been no activity from her phone, I believe,
25:39
Speaker 8: and so she truly she may not have heard. May
25:42
Speaker 8: not be on the news down there. She may not
25:44
Speaker 8: be you know, she's young, she may not even be
25:46
Speaker 8: watching the news, and so she really may not even
25:49
Speaker 8: know this. And it seems that her family has and
25:52
Speaker 8: did not let anybody know that she was out of
25:55
Speaker 8: town at that time or out of the country.
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Speaker 1: Sorry, and alexis are you telling me she was estranged
25:59
Speaker 1: from her? Fe she was for sure? Yes, he said that.
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Speaker 8: He said, I regret that we were so estranged and
26:04
Speaker 8: that we had such a bad relationship. But now that
26:06
Speaker 8: she's missing, I'm here now looking for her. So we've
26:09
Speaker 8: broken hearted, thinking something bad has happened in Los Angeles,
26:13
Speaker 8: not out of the realm of possibility. A lot of
26:14
Speaker 8: bad things happened, and so he came here looking for her,
26:17
Speaker 8: and then less than two weeks later, jumps off the
26:21
Speaker 8: roof of a building and kills himself.
26:23
Speaker 2: Doctor Jeff Kelshewski joining me, forensics psychologist, Doctor Jeff, I'm
26:28
Speaker 2: just trying to imagine what the dad went through, being
26:34
Speaker 2: estranged for a period of time and then learning your
26:38
Speaker 2: daughter is missing, and he flies all the way, I believe,
26:42
Speaker 2: from Hawaii to LA and starts a one man search
26:46
Speaker 2: team going all over the city, even the worst parts
26:50
Speaker 2: of the city, imagining the worst all this time about
26:53
Speaker 2: his daughter, thinking about all the time they had lost
26:57
Speaker 2: from being estranged, and then realizing that he would never
27:02
Speaker 2: see her again. She's totally lost, probably dead, and commits suicide.
27:10
Speaker 2: That's a heartbreaking story. I mean, all I can think
27:12
Speaker 2: about is my own father, you know, Doctor Jeff, I
27:17
Speaker 2: remember on Dancing with the Stars the very first night,
27:20
Speaker 2: I was about to be thrown off. I somehow managed
27:22
Speaker 2: to cling on till the bitter end. But as I
27:25
Speaker 2: was standing there in jeopardy, I looked across the dance floor.
27:28
Speaker 2: I saw one face, my dad, and he was so upset.
27:33
Speaker 2: I thought he was gonna have a heart attack because
27:35
Speaker 2: he was upset for me. He thought I was going
27:39
Speaker 2: to be broken up, which I would not have been,
27:42
Speaker 2: but he looked so upset. I can't imagine this father
27:47
Speaker 2: trying to make up for lost time, trying to find
27:49
Speaker 2: his daughter and coming to the realization that she was
27:52
Speaker 2: most likely dead, and killing himself.
27:56
Speaker 7: You know, when the private adst Gator mentioned that there's
28:02
Speaker 7: some odd family dynamics and involvement in this case, you know,
28:08
Speaker 7: I start to wonder, the estranged father, what information was
28:13
Speaker 7: he being provided by the family that sort of increased
28:17
Speaker 7: his despair and put him in a state of mind
28:20
Speaker 7: where he felt the only way out of this agony
28:25
Speaker 7: was to take his own life.
28:26
Speaker 2: What about it, Steve Fisher, You have personally investigated Hanna
28:30
Speaker 2: Kobayashi's disappearance. You mentioned earlier and now I'm following up
28:35
Speaker 2: on it that she was astrange from several members of
28:38
Speaker 2: her family.
28:39
Speaker 1: Could you explain what you mean by that?
28:41
Speaker 11: Well, it's simply that I mean, you know, she did
28:43
Speaker 11: not have a relationship with her father. There was tension
28:47
Speaker 11: with other family members, so you know, I mean this
28:53
Speaker 11: all kind of makes sense.
28:56
Speaker 1: Tension over what, tension over what.
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Speaker 10: Well, I don't know the exact details.
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Speaker 11: I didn't get into that, you know, what those dynamics were, like,
29:05
Speaker 11: what the actual triggers were. However, it was evident, and
29:09
Speaker 11: you know, I have talked to people that are close
29:11
Speaker 11: with her on the island, friends and whatnot, and you
29:14
Speaker 11: know this is this is not a secret. In fact,
29:17
Speaker 11: I heard her father telling people that he was using
29:20
Speaker 11: this as an opportunity to get back in her life.
29:24
Speaker 11: I actually suggested the family I thought I didn't think
29:26
Speaker 11: it was a good idea for him to be a
29:27
Speaker 11: press point person could drive her further away. Now, of
29:31
Speaker 11: course she's already in Mexico. We know now by time
29:33
Speaker 11: this is happening. But you know, there's there's there's a
29:37
Speaker 11: lot more to the story. I do believe there's going
29:39
Speaker 11: to be a lot more when that comes out.
29:41
Speaker 4: The LAPD say they have no plans to release the
29:44
Speaker 4: surveillance video, but it's showing Hannah Kobyanshi crossing the US
29:47
Speaker 4: Mexico border due to privacy concerns. The public information officer
29:51
Speaker 4: for the LAPD says they will not release the tape
29:54
Speaker 4: because Kobyashi is a private citizen and has not committed
29:57
Speaker 4: a crime. LA p D Chief Jimmy says Kobyashi has
30:01
Speaker 4: quote a right to her privacy.
30:09
Speaker 1: Crime stories. With Nancy Grace.
30:15
Speaker 2: Joining us an all star panel to make sense of
30:17
Speaker 2: what we are hearing now, and we're hearing an ear
30:20
Speaker 2: full I'm just trying to determine why Hanna Kobyashi would
30:25
Speaker 2: leave her family in the lurch, let them think she
30:30
Speaker 2: was either dead or missing or being held captive, and
30:34
Speaker 2: choose to head to Mexico with nothing but her suitcase.
30:38
Speaker 2: To Steve Fisher, missing person's private investigator at Search Investigations
30:44
Speaker 2: dot org. Have you seen the Tiawana video or have
30:49
Speaker 2: you seen the video of her leaving Santa Sedro and
30:52
Speaker 2: heading across the tunnel.
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Speaker 11: I've not seen that footage now. I'm only aware of
30:56
Speaker 11: her getting on the Greyhound.
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Speaker 2: Union station, okay, And if she had gotten off somewhere
31:03
Speaker 2: between here and there, there would be video of that.
31:06
Speaker 10: At a bus station, there's definitely video of her.
31:08
Speaker 11: There's video ad Santry Sedo station and absolutely customs More
31:13
Speaker 11: Patrol has you know, facial organition cameras and everything as
31:17
Speaker 11: you're entering and listen, there's been sightings of her down
31:19
Speaker 11: south of Tiauan as well.
31:21
Speaker 1: What about that?
31:21
Speaker 2: Scott Ikerr, founding member FBI Cellular Analysis Survey Team, tell
31:27
Speaker 2: me about the face recognition that is used at the border.
31:30
Speaker 2: And I know you have to show your passport when
31:33
Speaker 2: you enter our country, but when you were leaving you
31:36
Speaker 2: also have to show.
31:37
Speaker 9: It, agreed, And that's part of the you know, the
31:40
Speaker 9: border security that we do have, and it's important to
31:43
Speaker 9: be able to identify the people coming in. And now
31:46
Speaker 9: sounds like pretty good information that you actually went into
31:49
Speaker 9: Mexico and you know, if she's by herself, then she's
31:52
Speaker 9: by herself when we start taking all this together. It
31:55
Speaker 9: sure does sound like we were kind of led in
31:57
Speaker 9: the wrong direction.
31:58
Speaker 2: Man, you're not kidding with a ring through our noses,
32:02
Speaker 2: you know, Steve Fisher, you keep alluding to more is
32:06
Speaker 2: going to come out?
32:07
Speaker 1: Well, how about right now? Can it come out? Right now?
32:10
Speaker 1: What are you talking about?
32:11
Speaker 10: No, I mean there is more to the story.
32:13
Speaker 11: It's not something it's not for me to discuss because
32:16
Speaker 11: I don't have one hundred percent proof of it, so
32:18
Speaker 11: I wouldn't want to put something out there and be wrong.
32:20
Speaker 11: But listen, I'm confident there's more will come out.
32:26
Speaker 2: Okay, that's not really helping me, But let me go
32:29
Speaker 2: to I'll give you a few moments to think about
32:31
Speaker 2: what you're saying to a high profile lawyer joining us
32:34
Speaker 2: out of Palm Beach. Gregor Remorse, author of the Untested
32:39
Speaker 2: on Amazon. Gregory, can I talk to you about potential
32:43
Speaker 2: criminal charges because as of right now, I don't see any.
32:47
Speaker 1: Now.
32:47
Speaker 2: We have been comparing this to, for instance, the disappearance
32:50
Speaker 2: of super Mom Sherry Peppini, who disappeared. Her husband didn't
32:56
Speaker 2: realize she was gone until the children were not home,
32:59
Speaker 2: you know, after school. When he got home, her cell
33:03
Speaker 2: phone was found on the side of the road as
33:05
Speaker 2: if it had been yanked from her. Turns out she
33:09
Speaker 2: just took a powder and was shacked up with her
33:11
Speaker 2: ex boyfriend. She went so far as to beat herself,
33:14
Speaker 2: starve herself, and even brand herself with a hot curling
33:19
Speaker 2: iron to make it look as if she had been kidnapped.
33:22
Speaker 1: She blamed it on Hispanic women.
33:25
Speaker 2: Okay, she lied to police, right, that makes her different
33:30
Speaker 2: from Hanna Kobyashi. Then we've got the so called runaway bride,
33:34
Speaker 2: Jennifer Willbanks.
33:35
Speaker 1: That's a Georgia case.
33:37
Speaker 2: In that case, it was the night before a big
33:39
Speaker 2: society wedding and she gets kidnapped.
33:43
Speaker 1: She also blamed.
33:45
Speaker 2: Some Hispanic men in that case and claims she had
33:49
Speaker 2: been abducted.
33:50
Speaker 1: She lied about it.
33:52
Speaker 2: The last time I had eyes on her, she was
33:54
Speaker 2: cutting grass as part of community service.
33:57
Speaker 1: All right.
33:57
Speaker 2: Then we've got Curly Russ, beautiful girl out of a
34:02
Speaker 2: look at her Alabama. She fakes her disappearance and even
34:06
Speaker 2: goes so far as to claim she's trying to rescue
34:09
Speaker 2: a top boy who was wandering along the side of
34:13
Speaker 2: a busy interstate and then she goes missing. Well, turns
34:17
Speaker 2: out she was shacked up in a hotel ordering room
34:21
Speaker 2: service while we were desperately trying to find her. She
34:24
Speaker 2: since came clean, has apologized, has taken responsibility as trying
34:29
Speaker 2: to make something good out of her life.
34:31
Speaker 1: But she lied. Hanna Kobyashi has not lied to anybody.
34:37
Speaker 1: She just left.
34:39
Speaker 5: I disagree with you. This needs to be changed from
34:42
Speaker 5: a missing person's report to a searching for a criminal suspect.
34:47
Speaker 5: And if Hannah Kobayashi were smart, she would call my
34:49
Speaker 5: law firm and seek counsel right away. This girl's father
34:54
Speaker 5: is dead. He killed himself knowing anything about Okinawans, which
34:59
Speaker 5: I believe her there was. This is an honorable culture.
35:03
Speaker 5: It is foreseeable that he would take this so heavy.
35:08
Speaker 5: And if his daughter knew that and set this course
35:11
Speaker 5: in action that led to his death, I think there's
35:14
Speaker 5: a chance that the police can be searching for or
35:17
Speaker 5: looking into this for a murder to charge. You are
35:20
Speaker 5: a prosecutor, Nancy, and if you know from maybe about
35:24
Speaker 5: a decade ago, I think it was Suffolk County, New
35:27
Speaker 5: York that started charging murder two for dui manslaughters. Most
35:32
Speaker 5: places that doesn't matter anymore because they're the same type
35:35
Speaker 5: of sentence usually, So this is something that is unique.
35:40
Speaker 5: But those texts that were sent claiming she was lost
35:44
Speaker 5: her money and kidnapped, this directed a story that's her lying,
35:49
Speaker 5: very different than the story that you did. On the
35:52
Speaker 5: guy who went to Uzbekistan. He didn't contact the police
35:55
Speaker 5: until recently. He should have watched her show because now
35:58
Speaker 5: he's made some statements that could get him charged with
36:00
Speaker 5: a crime, but initially he didn't. So Hannah Kobayashi is
36:04
Speaker 5: your typical. It seems to me from what I've read.
36:06
Speaker 5: She doesn't have a real job, she's thirty years old,
36:09
Speaker 5: she's floundering in life and set on this course of motion,
36:13
Speaker 5: maybe taken advantage of by a cult. Sure that is
36:16
Speaker 5: definitely seems like what this is. But her father is
36:19
Speaker 5: dead and she sent information.
36:21
Speaker 2: Never heard, racking my memory. A worse distortion of the
36:27
Speaker 2: criminal code in my life. There is no way that
36:32
Speaker 2: this girl, and I don't care if she's unemployed, I
36:34
Speaker 2: don't care if she's a deadbeat moves in our her family.
36:37
Speaker 1: I don't know if she is or.
36:38
Speaker 2: Not, But there is no way that she could have
36:40
Speaker 2: foreseen her father with him she hasn't spoken to at
36:44
Speaker 2: a long period of time.
36:46
Speaker 1: Is going to fly to La.
36:47
Speaker 2: She have to be a clairvoyant to figure out he's
36:51
Speaker 2: going to fly to LA look for her, and then
36:53
Speaker 2: jump off a parking debt roof.
36:55
Speaker 1: That's crazy talk. Okay, I don't know.
36:58
Speaker 2: If you're just trying to get a client. I don't
37:00
Speaker 2: think of that hard up. But there's no way there's
37:03
Speaker 2: a murder to charge in this. No, No, cut his
37:06
Speaker 2: MC right now, because I'm not going to be responsible
37:09
Speaker 2: for disseminating falsities or guarding law. You can put him up.
37:11
Speaker 2: I'd like to see him react to what I'm saying.
37:14
Speaker 2: But this woman is not going to be charged with
37:16
Speaker 2: murder too. She left on her own and you say
37:19
Speaker 2: she lied, she lied, Yeah, she lied to her mother.
37:23
Speaker 2: If that's a crime, I bet I can prosecute you,
37:26
Speaker 2: Greg Moore, she never lied to your mother, BS. She
37:29
Speaker 2: did not lie to police. She's no Shery Peppini.
37:32
Speaker 1: She has no.
37:33
Speaker 2: Jennifer Willbanks, she's no Borgwart. That's the man you're talking
37:36
Speaker 2: about that left his wife and family for some is
37:38
Speaker 2: becky woman, and she's no Curly Russell.
37:41
Speaker 1: No, it's not going to happen.
37:43
Speaker 12: Days of searching the streets of Los Angeles and passing
37:46
Speaker 12: out flyers have exhausted family and friends, but they still
37:49
Speaker 12: push forward in the search for Hanna Kobayashi.
37:52
Speaker 1: But a shocking twist just might crack the case open.
37:56
Speaker 1: Hannah Kobayashi spotted crossing the Mexico or at this hour.
38:02
Speaker 2: The family is asking LAPD and others to continue the
38:06
Speaker 2: search for Hanna Kobayashi. To Steve Fisher, who has been
38:10
Speaker 2: part of the investigation, local law enforcement is saying no
38:15
Speaker 2: way and are dropping this like hot potato. And they
38:19
Speaker 2: say that absolutely is her into Yawana.
38:23
Speaker 1: Case closed, correct.
38:25
Speaker 11: And she should be flagged at Immigration when she comes
38:28
Speaker 11: back across and that's where they're going to talk to
38:29
Speaker 11: her and evaluate her. But for the family to be
38:32
Speaker 11: pushing this private search to continue, and that's really putting
38:36
Speaker 11: people in harm's way. Tijuana going to the bard is
38:38
Speaker 11: not a place to be going and looking and snooping around.
38:42
Speaker 11: You don't have any right, you know, you don't have
38:44
Speaker 11: your rights as an American citizen over there.
38:46
Speaker 10: It's going to get somebody hurt.
38:48
Speaker 11: What they need to do is they need to have
38:50
Speaker 11: an investigator that can find her quickly and a physician
38:54
Speaker 11: on call that can evaluate her and limit it to that.
38:57
Speaker 11: But this should not be public anymore as far as
38:59
Speaker 11: I'm concerned. It's going to get somebody hurt and it's
39:01
Speaker 11: going to push drive her further into isolation.
39:04
Speaker 2: Steve, it's my understanding that Hannah Kobyashi's aunt, Laurie Pigeon,
39:10
Speaker 2: is saying that she is still concerned about Hannah's safety,
39:14
Speaker 2: and that concern has not lessened since she discovered Hannah
39:18
Speaker 2: has crossed the border into Mexico. In fact, she's even
39:22
Speaker 2: more worried that she is now in and a location
39:26
Speaker 2: with which she is not familiar.
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Speaker 11: I agree, Listen, it's not the safest place in the world,
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Speaker 11: that's for sure. I mean, my brother has lived down
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Speaker 11: though there is an xpac community. However, she's doing this
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Speaker 11: publicly now. I understand the part when they thought she
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Speaker 11: was in Los Angeles, but now she's in a different country.
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Speaker 11: I think it's got to be very sensitive. It needs
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Speaker 11: to be done with qualified professionals and call off the
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Speaker 11: public search for it. It's like there's a bounty on
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Speaker 11: her almost, you know, and there's people are you know,
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Speaker 11: crossing the border now going and looking for her.
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Speaker 10: I just think it's a recipe for disaster.
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Speaker 2: And it also I would look for family too, even
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Speaker 2: if they voluntarily disassociated, because I would be so worried
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Speaker 2: about them. But what about the private detective and retired
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Speaker 2: FBI Tom Simon who says he wants LAPD to release
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Speaker 2: the Customs and Border Protection video to make sure that's
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Speaker 2: really her.
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Speaker 11: I don't say besides it's her. I mean I have
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Speaker 11: seen so this and that's her. That's all I can
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Speaker 11: see in it. But you know, when you say that
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Speaker 11: about the family, the family is not here looking for
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Speaker 11: They're asking others to do it.
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Speaker 10: But they're in Hawaii and in the ants in Palm Springs.
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Speaker 10: They're not They're not on the ground searching.
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Speaker 2: It's the bottom line. We've all been taken down a
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Speaker 2: rabbit hole. Tens of thousands of dollars have been spent
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Speaker 2: looking for a woman that wanted to unplug her cell phone. Okay,
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Speaker 2: as of right now, I don't see a crime. I'm
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Speaker 2: the last person that would say that, But I don't
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Speaker 2: see a crime in her decision to take off.
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend