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Women: “Men need to be more social!” “NOT LIKE THAT!” | HBR Talk 414 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Oh boy, so I wasn't really ready for that. Hello
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  Speaker 1: and welcome to HBR Talk 413. Women! Men need to
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  Speaker 1: be more social! Not like that! I had to do
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  Speaker 1: it that way. When you see what we're talking about today,
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  Speaker 1: you'll understand. Like, I have been talking to this guy
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  Speaker 1: for a while, and... and we both had threads kind
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  Speaker 1: of go not viral, viral, but semi-viral, like 300,000 people
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  Speaker 1: looked at it and a whole lot of people commented
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  Speaker 1: on it and stuff at the same time and couldn't
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  Speaker 1: help each other out with arguments and stuff. But, uh,
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  Speaker 1: this one, when I read it, I was like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: this actually fits in with what we're talking about right now,
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  Speaker 1: because one of the biggest causes of, uh, men deciding
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  Speaker 1: to commit suicide, is that they are experiencing depression associated
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  Speaker 1: with isolation, loneliness, and being mistreated, really, by, in particular,
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  Speaker 1: the women in their lives. And the way that some
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  Speaker 1: people reacted to this thread, to what he had to say,
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  Speaker 1: that kind of hit that tone. and so i decided
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  Speaker 1: i gotta talk about that because it's um it's relevant
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  Speaker 1: and so before we actually read the legislation we will
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  Speaker 1: read this guy's post um his name is shadow claw
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  Speaker 1: and uh obviously not his real name.
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  Speaker 2: Oh that guy that'd be a hippie.
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  Speaker 1: Name you know but hey i went to school with
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  Speaker 1: a gal named cinnamon when i was at university so
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  Speaker 1: it's possible right.
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  Speaker 2: I went to anything i went to school with a
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  Speaker 2: girl named ultraviolet so yeah.
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  Speaker 1: There you go so it could be done could be
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  Speaker 1: done but uh Shadow Claw, I like a lot of
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  Speaker 1: his posts. He's probably a good guy to follow. I've
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  Speaker 1: named a few people on social media and said, hey,
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  Speaker 1: you should probably follow this person. He's one of them.
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  Speaker 1: He's got a lot of interesting things to say. And
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  Speaker 1: a lot of times if he gets into a conversation
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  Speaker 1: with you, he'll have things that you haven't thought about
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  Speaker 1: that maybe deserve some consideration too. Yeah. But anyway, before
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  Speaker 1: we get into all of that, I'm your host, Hannah Wallen,
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  Speaker 1: here with Nonsense Annihilator, Lauren Brooks.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, hey, hey.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, hey, hey. The personification of Perceptivity, Mike Stevenson.
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  Speaker 4: G'day, Mike.
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  Speaker 1: The non-Australian. That's funny, though, because Australians used to be, well,
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  Speaker 1: their ancestors used to be Brits. At least the... A
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  Speaker 1: certain percentage of them.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm just working my way through ways I know
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  Speaker 4: of to say hello.
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  Speaker 1: There we.
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  Speaker 5: Go.
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  Speaker 1: Richard the Lionhearted.
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  Speaker 5: Shalom. Sorry about the airport stuff earlier. We don't control that.
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  Speaker 5: We didn't control that after you, after the whole Israel-Palestine stuff.
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  Speaker 1: The airport?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, because... Oh, yeah. English Parliament called out Israel over
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  Speaker 5: the Palestine stuff, and then a day later all the
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  Speaker 5: airports closed.
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  Speaker 1: Ha ha. She repeats.
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  Speaker 4: All hail Israel. I implore my government to kneel before Israel.
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  Speaker 4: That is all.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. All the airports closed, huh? That's something I need
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  Speaker 1: to look into.
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  Speaker 5: All the flights were delayed.
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  Speaker 1: All the flights were delayed.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That's a hell of a consequence there.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Making everybody late.
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  Speaker 5: Because, like, all of the ministers and the prime minister
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  Speaker 5: backed the other... backed Palestine. Backed Palestine of Israel, so.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sticking with... I have the same attitude about this
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  Speaker 1: that I've always had about it. I'm not changing my
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  Speaker 1: mind on it.
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  Speaker 2: Um.
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  Speaker 1: There's not a good side and an evil side in
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  Speaker 1: that fight. And I'm not picking a side. And fuck
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  Speaker 1: anybody that says I gotta pick a side.
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  Speaker 5: Because... I'm pretty much the same.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. There's no benefit to anybody winning or losing that.
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  Speaker 1: Or the continuation of it. Or any other aspect of
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  Speaker 1: that fight.
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  Speaker 5: So.
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  Speaker 1: If people want to talk to me about it, that's
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  Speaker 1: the only answer you're getting from me.
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  Speaker 4: It's like supporting a football team. If your football team loses,
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  Speaker 4: then yeah, you start a fight. If your football team wins,
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  Speaker 4: then yeah, you start a fight. But if it's some
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  Speaker 4: other cunts, like hundreds of miles away, you're like, why
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  Speaker 4: are you getting into fights over that? You're cutting your
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  Speaker 4: own throat, me old dibbler. You're cutting off your nose
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  Speaker 4: to spite your face.
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  Speaker 1: It's like a chick fight.
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  Speaker 5: I can't.
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  Speaker 1: Get you a better analogy than this. They will end
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  Speaker 1: the fight. Chicks will end the fight, right? They'll stop
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  Speaker 1: hitting each other and they walk away. And then they
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  Speaker 1: spend eternity taking pot shots at each other and restarting
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  Speaker 1: the fight, getting their friends involved, engaging in a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of relational aggression, doing things that outside of that fight
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  Speaker 1: would be considered unspeakable acts. And, uh, justifying them with
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  Speaker 1: the fact that they're in a fight and and then
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  Speaker 1: the minute that you suggest that maybe those things shouldn't
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  Speaker 1: be happening that that nobody should be doing those things
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  Speaker 1: even if they're in a fight you're on the other
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  Speaker 1: side even if you hadn't said because they're the good
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  Speaker 1: guy and you're the bad guy like maybe suggest not
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  Speaker 1: killing children and suddenly you hate the side that did
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  Speaker 1: it because you love this side, they did it too. Well,
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  Speaker 1: what if both sides have done that? And this is
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  Speaker 1: one of those situations where even though there's long lists
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  Speaker 1: of crimes that on each side that the other side
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  Speaker 1: didn't commit, it doesn't matter that they're not the same crimes.
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  Speaker 1: And it doesn't matter that they're They can point, well,
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  Speaker 1: we didn't do this. Well, you didn't do that. They've
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  Speaker 1: both committed atrocities and they've both violated treaties and they've
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  Speaker 1: both come back and said, you know, we didn't do
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  Speaker 1: the thing that you got us on video doing. They're
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  Speaker 1: not honest about it. They're not. Then they hate each
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  Speaker 1: other for reasons that go back to the beginning of
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  Speaker 1: their existence. So as far as I'm concerned, Like, nobody
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  Speaker 1: is legitimate in that fight. There is no legitimate side
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  Speaker 1: in that fight. And I just don't want any part
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  Speaker 1: of it.
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  Speaker 5: It's pointless, really.
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  Speaker 1: It is pointless. It is completely pointless. So, there you go.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, my friend, she wears that scarf thingy. So, I
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  Speaker 5: have to look at her sideways now. Scarf?
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  Speaker 1: No, he doesn't. Oh, gosh.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, I see what you mean. Yeah. I look sideways now, so.
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  Speaker 1: There you go.
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  Speaker 2: Well, your male gaze is, you know, that's just unacceptable.
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  Speaker 4: Everyone's sideways. There's only one eye, and that's like half
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  Speaker 4: of a male gaze.
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  Speaker 5: She's like very, like, Palestine. I'm kind of worried about her, so.
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  Speaker 1: So if you have half of the male gaze, isn't
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  Speaker 1: that just a male gah? Like, gah!
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  Speaker 4: Or the male zep. Or just the male gay.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Depends what you want to do with the words. We've
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  Speaker 4: had fun. Shall we dive into the story?
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  Speaker 5: Ta-da! So.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah. I'm a dork. And I am a proud dork.
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  Speaker 1: So there you go.
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  Speaker 5: So.
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  Speaker 1: There's been a lot of discussion. There was a post
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  Speaker 1: that went around. A while back. And I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if he quoted that. With this. Yeah it's this. This
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  Speaker 1: drives me nuts when they do this, too, because I
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  Speaker 1: I'm picturing this is obviously they continued to do this
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  Speaker 1: where it says women do not owe you sex in
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  Speaker 1: all caps. And you can see three lines in the quote. Right.
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  Speaker 1: They continued to do this for several more lines. And
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  Speaker 1: that that's that's a thing that the left does on
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  Speaker 1: social media, particularly the younger generations, that is essentially. throwing
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  Speaker 1: a temper tantrum, getting down on the floor and kicking
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  Speaker 1: and screaming or standing up and doing that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: herky-jerky spaghetti limb dance little kids do when they want
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  Speaker 1: the big candy bar and stomping their feet and expecting
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  Speaker 1: mommy to comply because it's embarrassing and all the other
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  Speaker 1: people are looking now. So if you don't comply, you know,
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  Speaker 1: they're going to think that you're a bad mommy because
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  Speaker 1: you can't get your kid to stop throwing a temper tantrum.
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  Speaker 4: And then there's the looping, the thing we're seeing about
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  Speaker 4: in tweets where they just repeat the same thing over
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  Speaker 4: and over. It's recently been sort of misattributed to black
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  Speaker 4: people that they will shout the same thing over and
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  Speaker 4: over again in order to rile themselves up into something.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm sitting here thinking, No, that's, that's Americans. I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 4: I love you guys, but I first noticed this when
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  Speaker 4: Jerry Springer came to the UK and these people will just,
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  Speaker 4: regardless of the race, they will just say the shout
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  Speaker 4: the same sentence over and over again. And even a
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  Speaker 4: lot of American comedians do it. I don't think it's
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  Speaker 4: necessarily a low IQ thing. It's, it's like, it's like chanting,
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  Speaker 4: you know, it's, it's, it's almost spiritual in a way.
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  Speaker 4: But that's how it applies to real life, in real time,
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  Speaker 4: when people can actually chant together. When you're tweeting, when
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  Speaker 4: you're supposed to be engaging in text, where you have
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  Speaker 4: all the time in the world to say whatever you want,
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  Speaker 4: it makes much, much less sense to say the same
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  Speaker 4: thing over and over again. Because if people want to
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  Speaker 4: read the same thing over and over again, they can
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  Speaker 4: just read it again. If they want to. Typing the
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  Speaker 4: same thing over and over again makes no sense. It's
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  Speaker 4: as though you're incapable of typing in a way that
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  Speaker 4: you don't talk. It's like you can't see... You can't
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  Speaker 4: consider the future. You can't imagine how... If you could
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  Speaker 4: freeze time and say whatever you wanted... Because that's what
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  Speaker 4: I do in my videos. I'm not exactly playing a character.
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  Speaker 4: I'm playing me if I could freeze time and have
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  Speaker 4: all the time in the world to say something witty.
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  Speaker 4: And that's what Twitter should be. Because you do have
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  Speaker 4: all the time in the world to say something witty.
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  Speaker 4: And yet some people will just loop. For absolutely no reason.
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  Speaker 4: It's the only way they know how to talk when
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  Speaker 4: they've painted themselves into a corner. And so it's the
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  Speaker 4: only way they know how to type. And Yeah, it's
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  Speaker 4: bizarre to me. And it should be bizarre to everyone.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Honestly, I think it's a low IQ thing. Intelligent people,
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  Speaker 1: if they have something to say, they'll say it. If
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  Speaker 1: they want to get your attention, they might put a
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  Speaker 1: picture with it. Or, like Shadowclaw here, they type out
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  Speaker 1: a well-worded argument, an argument that is... gives all the
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  Speaker 1: talking points with regard to what they're trying to say.
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  Speaker 1: And they might add to it afterward if people don't
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  Speaker 1: get it the first time. And that isn't as frequently
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  Speaker 1: a thing that goes viral, right? But those stupid, repeat
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  Speaker 1: yourself over and over again, temper tantrum posts, I see
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  Speaker 1: those all the time. If I don't interact with them,
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  Speaker 1: I still see them. If I tell the site I
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  Speaker 1: want to see less posts like this, I still see them.
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  Speaker 1: There doesn't seem to be a thing to do. If
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  Speaker 1: I mute people because they've done that or block people
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  Speaker 1: because they've done that, I get more people doing that.
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  Speaker 1: I get more posts like that. It just has a
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  Speaker 1: tendency to show me that. So I like when I
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  Speaker 1: see somebody take one of those down. And I'll interact
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  Speaker 1: with them because it doesn't make a difference. It doesn't
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  Speaker 1: seem to stop them from showing up in my feed
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  Speaker 1: if I don't interact with them. So I might as well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, basically tell them to fuck off one way
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  Speaker 1: or another. And so I do. But in any case,
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  Speaker 1: I do hate those posts. And they do seem like
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  Speaker 1: a whiny crybaby thing.
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  Speaker 3: Not.
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  Speaker 1: A rational argument thing. I know people might have other
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  Speaker 1: opinions about that that are different than mine, but that's
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  Speaker 1: the way I see it. When I look at that,
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  Speaker 1: I don't see something that an adult posted because they
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  Speaker 1: have something interesting to see. I see a petulant child
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  Speaker 1: throwing a temper tantrum and trying to force people to
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  Speaker 1: acquiesce Because they're going to shout you down. And if
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  Speaker 1: you end up talking to somebody that's posted like that,
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  Speaker 1: that's exactly the way they behave. So, this concept. Before
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  Speaker 1: we get into Shadow Claw's post, my two cents on this.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody tells women that they owe men sex. Nobody has said, well,
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  Speaker 1: women owe men sex. It's just a thing, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody has even said if you go out on a
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  Speaker 1: date with a guy and he takes you to dinner,
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  Speaker 1: you owe him sex. Nobody has said that. It's not
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  Speaker 1: a thing. What is a thing is.
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  Speaker 4: Arguably, spouses owe each other sex because that's the whole deal.
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  Speaker 1: Except that people aren't saying it that way. People are
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  Speaker 1: saying that sex is an integral part of being married.
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  Speaker 1: And if you don't want to have sex with somebody,
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  Speaker 1: you shouldn't marry them. If you're married together and you
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  Speaker 1: stop wanting to have sex with each other, you should
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  Speaker 1: start looking into some kind of therapy to see what's
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  Speaker 1: gone wrong in your relationship. But it's not about a debt.
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  Speaker 1: It's about intimacy and desire for each other and love
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  Speaker 1: for each other. And the moment that women start treating
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  Speaker 1: it as a transactional thing like that, it demonstrates that
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  Speaker 1: they have stopped treating relationships with men as a meeting
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  Speaker 1: of love with love. Does that make sense?
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  Speaker 4: As much as the word love can make sense without
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  Speaker 4: a great deal of disambiguation.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, if you want me to explain what
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  Speaker 1: I think love is, it's not that challenging, actually. there's
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  Speaker 1: lots of people that you are amicable with, right? Like
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  Speaker 1: you have a feeling of camaraderie with people that you like,
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  Speaker 1: and you have a feeling of camaraderie and trust with
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  Speaker 1: people that you like a lot. And with your family members,
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  Speaker 1: you have camaraderie and trust and at least to a
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  Speaker 1: degree until they have burned bridges. If there's somebody in
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  Speaker 1: your family that's done that you have, some emotional investment,
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  Speaker 1: some psychological investment in their welfare. You want your family
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  Speaker 1: to be happy. You want your family to be safe, right?
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  Speaker 1: You care about that individual. So love is a mix
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  Speaker 1: of those things. It is a combination of the feelings
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  Speaker 1: that you have that constitute friendship and the feelings that
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  Speaker 1: you have that constitute family love. Storge, or Storge, I
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  Speaker 1: think I've seen it pronounced that way as well. But
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  Speaker 1: on top of that, then when you look at intimate
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  Speaker 1: partner love, there's the sexual aspect. That's the person that
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  Speaker 1: you want to be the most vulnerable with and to
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  Speaker 1: feel good with and to enjoy sex with. And that's
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  Speaker 1: the person that even when you don't want anybody around,
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  Speaker 1: it's okay if they're in the room with you. It's
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  Speaker 1: okay if, in fact, you might want them even more.
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  Speaker 1: That's love.
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  Speaker 4: Love isn't role-playing. I would go that far. This idea
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  Speaker 4: that men have to be protectors and providers, that's not love,
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  Speaker 4: that's role-play. Women have to be submissive and not work.
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  Speaker 4: That's essentially role-play. Love is To me, something that exists
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  Speaker 4: without the need for these role things. You're kind of
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  Speaker 4: just people who have peopled together for long enough to
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  Speaker 4: realize that you can appreciate each other just about unconditionally.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, is there such a thing as conditional love?
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  Speaker 4: Does that make it not love? We're going to be
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  Speaker 4: here forever.
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  Speaker 2: There is no such thing as unconditional love. I'm sorry
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  Speaker 2: to break the heart of the many people who may
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  Speaker 2: think that there is. There's no such thing as unconditional love.
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  Speaker 4: Even from a parent to a child? Like a newborn child?
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  Speaker 1: Conditional and unconditional love do not exist. So when people
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  Speaker 1: talk about those conditions... The conditions are– the consequence of
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  Speaker 1: not meeting those conditions or violating those conditions isn't a
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  Speaker 1: cessation necessarily of love. It's a change of association and behavior,
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  Speaker 1: isn't it?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I can agree with that because– so my example
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  Speaker 6: would be– You know, if you are a parent and
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  Speaker 6: you have a child who then.
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  Speaker 2: Tries to hurt you or injure you in some way,
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  Speaker 2: shape or form, you may still have an affinity for
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  Speaker 2: that child because it is your child. But would you
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  Speaker 2: unconditionally say, oh, yes, I'm going to do everything in
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  Speaker 2: my power now? And that's that's just that's a minor instance, right?
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  Speaker 2: Like if your child tries to it's very vague. But so,
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  Speaker 2: oh my God, who were the brothers that killed their parents?
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: The Menendez brothers, right? Had their parents survived, would you
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: think that those parents would still have this unconditional, overwhelming
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: love and acceptance for their kids? No, they would keep
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: them at best at an arm's distance, right? If the
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: protection order.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Doesn't suffice.
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: But well, the question is though, does the love go away? Like, or,
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: or does the behavior just change?
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Because when I think about it and I, I had
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: a family member that was a drug addict and he
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: put my family through hell. We had to deal with
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: all kinds of, like we had stuff stolen from our home. Um,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, he put my mom through a whole month
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: of pain and suffering because he stole her pain medication.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: And it was a controlled substance. And it was something that,
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: you know, over the course of a month, it's not
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: going to get anybody high. But if you use a
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: bunch of it at once, it will. And that's why
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: he stole it. But for him, it was.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: A very short experience of pleasure. For her, it was
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: a month of pain. And we had to cut ties,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: but we never stopped praying for him. And when things happened,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: my mom had a very interesting way of demonstrating the
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: difference between loving someone and giving them approval and liking
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: them and things like that. We had a neighbor that
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: was a drug dealer and he also had throat cancer.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: And if, you know, he threatened to come over to
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: our house and kill our whole family, you can bet
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: the police got a report. But when he was refusing
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: to eat and he was sick and the chemo was
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: getting to him and he was suffering, Mom took him soup.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Like the same guy that came over to our house
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: and threatened to kill our whole family. That's the way
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: that I learned about love. When somebody needs you, you
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: can engage in kind gestures. You can show that you
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: have a heart and you can care about people. But
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: at the same time, you don't tolerate destructive behavior. You don't.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: put yourself at risk of harm and and you don't
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: you don't be stupid over it you know and that's
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: love doesn't just vanish because it's hard to love someone
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: um even if you don't like them in the moment
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: or even if you can never like them again you
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: know and it it's uh And my family, you know,
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: there was a reconciliation in old age. That was good.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: But even if there hadn't been, it just would have been,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: there would have been a lot of sadness. Because we
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: never stopped loving my uncle. We just didn't like what
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: he was doing. And that's the difference. We still wanted
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: good things for him. We still wanted his life to
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: get better. even if he made things difficult for us,
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: we still wanted an opportunity to go back to having
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: a family relationship. I don't know how else to explain
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: that other than the fact that, you know, there's a
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: big difference between love and things like liking someone, approving
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: of someone, trusting someone. Love and trust are not identical.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: They help each other out, but they're not identical. They're
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: not interchangeable. And so this is another thing. When you
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: have these kinds of conversations, it makes me think of,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: you know, these might be reasons, especially modern women, a
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: lot of modern women don't understand what sex is in
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: a relationship. It's not, if you were to think of,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: this is going to be really sexist, but if you
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: think of relationship as a sandwich, right? And you have
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: the dedication to each other, the loyalty and the being
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: invested in the other person's welfare, wanting their happiness, getting
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: excited when they have success, being there to be the
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: person that helps out. to support them and to care
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: for them, take care of them when they're going through
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: a rough time and stuff like that. If that is
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: the bread and the meat and all the fillings and
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: all that stuff, your sandwich is pretty dry and it's
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: also not going to stay together unless you add the condiments.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: It's very important. It's not a sandwich without it. You've
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: heard the commercials from different condiment companies. It's not a
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: sandwich without our condiment. But that's a real thing when
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: it comes to relationships. It's a relationship without sex. There's
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: a type of relationship called platonic relationship. But marriages aren't
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: supposed to be platonic. It's the intimacy. In an intimate partnership.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: If you are not intimate. You don't have an intimate partnership.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: You have a very close. Long lasting platonic friendship. And so.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: When women. Women talk about sex like. You owe me
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: something for doing this. But I don't owe you this
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: for doing anything. And it becomes an argument. over whether
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: or not it's a debt to your partner. I think
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: that completely destroys the understanding of what sex is about.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: Or I could turn it around and say your marriage
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: is a particle board, but without sex, it's just a
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: bunch of wood chips in a pile. We have, before
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: we get into the article, we have two, three, where's the, okay,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: there's the first one. We have three Super Chows. The
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: first one is the Official Reverse Traditionalist Channel, but it
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: now just says Official Reverse Trad. It makes me want
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: to pronounce it Chad. Gave us $ 10 and said, reminder
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: that International Wednesday is also the anniversary of two feminist
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: groups in the Philippines successfully lobbying the government to ban
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: all video games and pinball half a decade after most
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: governments legalized pinball wait pinball was illegal I didn't know
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: that that's crazy I used to like playing pinball Um,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: I probably still would if I spent much time doing it,
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: but I think my reflexes kind of suck right now.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: So I don't know. Uh, and in 1981, when Donkey
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: Kong wasn't even out yet, there was no possible sexism
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: because everything, everything was a pong paddler spaceship. So when
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: an anti gamer gator accuses you of accusing them of
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: wanting to ban all video games everywhere, you don't actually
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: have to be the gamer gator who cries straw man.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: You can in fact, be the Gamer Gator who says,
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: I actually don't trust you not to ban all games
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: because boys play them and you associate that with Dennis
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: the Menace shit. Fuck you. To be fair, yes, video
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: games didn't have graphics back then, but if you look
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: at a lot of old pinball machines, they range from
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: themes related to movies and other popular culture items to
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: just big titty cheesecake like one of the most fun
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: ones that I used to like to play was just
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: a big titty cheesecake covered pinball machine and there were
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: lights behind the titties of course so you know It existed.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: But it didn't make anybody go out and just start
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: behaving badly around big titty women.
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: I never saw anybody go play that game and then
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: start grabbing boobs or nothing. That was.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: I don't think that's the problem.
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: Before we get any actuallys in the audience, video games
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: have always contained graphics. You literally can't have video without graphics.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: Even text adventures, even text.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: But I mean, like, well, I.
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: Don't know.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: I don't know how to, they had, um, like they,
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: they had text art, but they didn't have sprites and
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: stuff like that. There were, you know, if you were
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: going to put a big, and they didn't move the
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: text moved. I mean, I can show you one. I'd
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: have to create a character. Cause I don't remember my
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: last character names, uh, password. But Genesis Mud is still around,
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: and I haven't had time in a while, but I
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: like that game.
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: You know what?
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: I occasionally still play it. It's a text-based game.
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: I have to wonder, were there any, like, pornographic text-based adventures?
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: There must have been some.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: Realmsmud had these cabins that you could go to with
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: another person, and you could do sexual things. You could
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: type in what sexual things you were doing, and it
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: would go back. You could do that, yeah.
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: I did wonder, because text-based porn is very much a
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: woman thing, and computers from the 80s were very much
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: a male thing. So the Venn diagram, I would imagine,
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: barely even... overlaps with women who are into computers and
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: also into naughty text-based rape adventures. I don't know.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, when I used to play Realm Smud,
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: most of the other players were male. But there were
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: other female players too. And then you could also just
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: be playing a female character. I mean, nobody was going
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: to know Not only did you not have images, like
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: there was no way to get, you know, any information
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: about the other person. You couldn't look up their social
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: media or anything. There wasn't stuff like that. You were just,
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: you were who you were on the internet. You didn't
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: really have any kind of way of confirming it. That's
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: why back then there were no girls on the internet.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: Because anybody could say they were a girl. You didn't know.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: So it's quite possible. That some of the players. That
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: I dungeon crawled with. Dungeon crawled with. Were gals. Saying
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: that they were dudes. Because they didn't want. One of
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: the problems. If you want to play. In harder mode.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: In a game like that. Where you have to figure
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: things out for yourself.
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: Is if.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: Items in the game are transferable or clues are transferable,
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: which in those old, if those old games, a lot
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: of it was about figuring out puzzles and stuff. As
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: soon as, as soon as they run into a female player,
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: like the other players want to be super helpful and they'll,
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: they'll give you free stuff and, and help you through
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: stuff and, Stuff like that. Unless you tell them. I'm good.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: I don't want to do that. I want to figure
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: this out myself.
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: So.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: But yeah. That's the thing. Guys have always been enthusiastic
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: about female gamers. They just haven't been super enthusiastic about
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: girl gamers. I'm a girl gamer. Look at my big tits.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: Give me stuff for free. Treat me like I'm special.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: They like gamers who happen to be female. But we
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: established that during Gamergate. Richard Beer gave us $ 5 and said,
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: question for Doc, did the beaver nuggets make it all
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: the way to the UK slash Scotland?
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: They made it all the way to Connecticut.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: Connecticut, there you go.
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: I ate the whole bag in two days. Of course
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: I did. It's brown sugar based addictive snacks.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: I think I had like one beaver nugget.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: Oh, good times.
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: You're trying to send me across the ocean with delicious
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: snacks and expect me not to eat those delicious snacks
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: on the way. No, the UK will never know the
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: glory of beaver nuggets. Bucky's beaver nuggets. One of many
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: great American traditions that I've recently discovered, thanks to our
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: Badgerino listeners in our last meetup. He wanted to give
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: me a whole box of them, of like a dozen bags.
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: I'm like, bro, I can't carry these back on the plane.
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: And if I did, I would eat the lot. I'm
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: not going to bring them back to the UK to
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: infect the local population. I'm going to eat all of them.
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: I don't have any self-control. I'm so glad I.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: Only took one bag. The UK might ban them for
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: being cool. Oh, these are yummy. There's too much happiness
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: in this bag. We have to ban it. Isolate the bag.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: Bomb it.
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: If flights are still grounded. Jeez.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: Meredith T gave us $ 5 and said, HBR Talk 144,
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: unconditional love doesn't mean letting the person you love walk
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: all over you. Sometimes the moves love... The most loving
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: thing you can do to someone is say no. They
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: talk about that in AA. AA has this concept for
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: families of addicts called loving detachment. And yeah, it's a
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: thing that you have to do in that situation because
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: the person is always in trouble. A person with an addiction,
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: like a genuine, you know, in trouble person addict ends
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: up running out of money for rent or their electric
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: bill or getting fired from their job and then they
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: run out of money or they they do something stupid
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: they get in trouble with the law they drive well
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: on some sort of substance or another or they create
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: a conflict with another person because they were on this
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: substance and weren't thinking straight all kinds of things happen
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: and so if you continually bail that individual out of trouble,
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: which is hard to not do when you see your
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: loved one suffering all the time, what you end up
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: doing is making it so that the consequences of the
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: behavior that they engage in as a result of the
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: condition they put themselves in as a result of their addiction,
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: those consequences don't convince them that they need to get
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: help because they don't experience the consequences. And sometimes you
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: have to hit rock bottom before you decide, I'm not,
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to live like this anymore. I'm going
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: to do something about it. So that is, that is
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: a difficult thing to do. And it is, if you
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: genuinely love someone and they're constantly coming up short on
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: rent because they've spent the money on an opiate or
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: some other uh narcotic the best thing you can do
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: is say no i'm not going to pay your electric
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: bill but i'll help you sign in for rehab if
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: you want until and they'll they'll tell you no They'll
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: tell you to fuck off. They might even say a
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: lot worse things to you. You might even get in
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: a fight. But enough of that. And you can eventually
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: get your family member, your loved one, into rehab. Like,
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: they don't want to live like that all the time.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: But it is hard. And we also have a super
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: chat function. from Senior Sticks who gave us $ 2 and
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: said unconditional love exists but just not sometimes. In other words,
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: sometimes it's.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: Conditional.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: I still say love itself isn't conditional. There are things
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: that can cause you to love in different ways but
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: Other things can be conditional. Trust is conditional. Camaraderie is
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: definitely conditional. Liking someone is conditional. And obviously, your judgment
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: of someone's character and whether or not what you're doing
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: is helpful or enabling, things like that are conditional on
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: all kinds of things, including consequences. But any case. Without
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: any further ado, let's get into the actual... This isn't
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: one article. There are a few different posts here to
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: look at. But the original post, Shadowclaw pointed out, women
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: control access to sex. Once women normalized casual sex, that
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: control didn't open things up evenly. A small number of
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: men got chosen over and over and they ended up
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: with plenty of partners and a lot of experience far
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: more than their fair share. Most other men got left
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: out of it completely. And, uh, I know that, um,
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: that's what.
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: Um, polygamy does, um, multiple wives, all sorts of countries,
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: especially in the middle of the old word, the old
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: world that we can mention where, well, for every man
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: with four wives, there's a man with zero wives. And
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: that's sanctified in Sharia, I believe. And a quite similar
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: thing seems to be happening in the West, though not
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: legally sanctified. Women like men who are experienced. Men like
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: women who are not experienced. That is also a thing.
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: But let's not forget that women are presenting us with
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: this sort of paradox that we won't have sex with
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: you until a different woman has had sex with you.
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: We won't approve of you until another woman has approved
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: of you. And so you sort of go, well, what
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: do I do then? I just have to work my
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: way down the social chain until I find a prostitute.
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: Is that right?
• 43:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, there's another thing to this, right? Because this
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: is very casually described. It's not in academic terms, so
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: to speak. And so if you're like for the intelligent reader,
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: when you see, you know, once women normalized casual sex
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: that controlled and opened things up evenly, a small number
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: of men got chosen over and over. They ended up
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: with plenty of partners and a lot of experience, far
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: more than their fair share. So a reader that maybe
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: is not so intelligent might think of it as men
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: have shares of women. But this is a figure of
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: speech that is used in normal conversation to describe many,
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: many things that are not divided into shares or And
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: that are not treated as, well, it's only fair that
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: if Bob has one, George gets one too, right? It's
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: fairly normal to use this turn of phrase to just
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: describe things where there is a dramatic imbalance. And that's
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: what he's describing, which is what Mike was responding to,
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: the dramatic imbalance, right? But let me see if I
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: can find which one it is. I think this is it.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: This is the guy.
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: This is, I can't do, I don't know if I
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: can do the soy boy voice. So it seems you're
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: still stuck on the hole. Women don't owe you sex
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: or friendship or companionship or anything. And I get it.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: I got stuck there too. Wondering when it will be
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: my turn. All the while pissing away good friendships with
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: women because I wanted more. And then when Shadow Claw says,
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: I just explained it wasn't about that, he says, you said,
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: among other things, that when women opened up casual sex,
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: some men got more than their fair share. Like, clearly,
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: this man is incapable of understanding the difference between figure
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: of speech and literal terms. And that's the first thing
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: that struck me when I started looking at this thread
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: was like the type of response. So just imagine for
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: a second, right? You're a whole life. Maybe you're the
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: person that you're the black sheep of the family, not
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: the cool black sheep, the one that everybody's like, oh, God,
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: don't invite so-and-so because nobody knows how to talk to her.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: nobody knows how to talk to him.
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: Or, um, this, the person, you know, doesn't bathe or
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: the person isn't interesting. Uh, doesn't, doesn't seem to be
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: able to follow conversations, whatever it is.
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: I feel like that Muppet meme right now, like staring
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: off to the left and then staring off to the right.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's I, I, I was the one that, um,
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: You know, at family gatherings, I'd play with the other
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: kids a little bit and then wander off somewhere to
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: read a book because it didn't really fit in, even
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: with my own family. So, like, most people have at
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: least an inkling of that, right? But imagine, you know,
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: all the rest of the kids at school had friend groups.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: You didn't have a friend group. Imagine... while the rest
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: of the kids at school were doing the elementary school pretend,
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: I have a boyfriend, I have a girlfriend, you know,
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: when all they actually do is like hold hands sometimes
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: in the gym or call each other on the phone sometimes.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: But you didn't because nobody was interested. And as the
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: kids get older and it's school, you know, school age dating,
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: high school, you're the only one that didn't ever have
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: a date on the weekend or for any of the dances.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: And if you went to the dances that were like,
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: just open to everybody, if you asked anybody to dance,
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: they had an excuse, you know, and, and nobody asked
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: you to dance. Like you're that person. And you're explaining
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: what you've been through that, um, because dating became sexual, um,
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: Because that's what he's talking about. Before women normalized casual sex,
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: before women came along and said, this is the way
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: it's going to be. And it was a feminist take.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: It was the feminist sexual revolution. The idea that you
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: can just fuck everything that moves and there shouldn't be
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: any consequences. Dating was much more formulaic. And it was
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: much more innocent. So you could spend time with somebody,
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: go do something fun that didn't have anything to do
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: with sex. You might not even hold hands. You go
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: sit and watch a movie together. You go walk in
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: the park and have a discussion about something, anything. You know,
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: it did not have to be an event that had
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: sexual pressure attached to it. And because there was no
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: sexual pressure attached to it, girls could be more open
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: about who they were going out with, right? They didn't
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: have to worry about, you know, I wouldn't want people
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: to see me dating this guy because they might think that,
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm sleeping with a dweeb or a nerd
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: or whatever. And guys didn't have to worry about I
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: don't want to be seen with this girl because I
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: don't want people thinking that I am the kind of
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: guy that picks up floozies. Or the kind of guy
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: that takes out the girls with bad hygiene. But now,
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: now you have to worry about it. And you really
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: have to worry about it because besides the fact of pregnancy,
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: there's STIs. There's allegations that can happen. It can be
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: absolutely devastating to a guy to go out with the
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: wrong gal and then she accuses him of something that
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: he didn't do and his whole life is wrecked. Similarly,
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: it can be devastating to a gal to go out
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: with the wrong guy and suddenly... She's untouchable because she
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: went out with the wrong guy. And women will put
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: a lot of pressure on other girls to exclude the
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: guy that they don't like, that they're mad at, or
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: they have decided is persona non gratis.
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: I wonder why there's no such thing as the trope
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: of the boy next door.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: There is.
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: We all know about the trope of the girl next door.
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: It's a foil against the supermodel. The high-value female. Men
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: have always been just as attracted to the quote-unquote girl
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: next door than they are to the supermodel. I think
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: that's something quite ancient, right? Because for most of human history,
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: all we had was the girl next door. There was
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: no supermodel in a faraway capital city or any of
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: that shit. That seems to have been a trope that
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: has encroached on us. But then I have to wonder,
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: if there is such a thing as a trope of
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: the boy next door, I haven't heard of it.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: The boy next door is Peter Parker. OK, the boy
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: next door is is the guy that is a little
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: bit nerdy, a little bit sporty, always really nice to
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: you and never figures out that you like him. Or
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: you never figure out that he likes you. And, you know,
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: or in my case, the boy next door is the
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: guy that you start thinking of as your other brother that,
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: you know, your brother from another mother when you're in
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: elementary school. And then by the time you're in high school,
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: nobody will ask you out because they're afraid of your
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: brother from another mother. So it's, but yeah, there is
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: a boy next door trope. It's just not as prolific
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: and probably not as memorable to dudes as the boy
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: next door or as the girl next door is to them.
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: I don't think there's that many boy next door movies either.
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's as romanticized. I think a lot
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: of gals have a tendency to friend zone the boy
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: next door.
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: I was about to say, there's no equivalent of the
• 52:53
  Speaker 4: magic hippie pixie girl trope. Is there a sort of
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: thing as a magic hippie pixie boy trope? Again, maybe, but....
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: That trope doesn't work. And I'll tell you why the
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: manic pixie trope doesn't work with guys, right? The manic
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: pixie dream girl has no accountability. And she doesn't just
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: not care about the consequences of her actions. She doesn't
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: see them. She's unaware of them. She's shielded from them
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: both by her flippant approach to life. and the people
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: around her. And a lot of times, the viewer in
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: movies and TV and stuff, because the Manic Pixie Dream
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: Girl is so romanticized, is also shielded from the consequences
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: of her actions. And that doesn't happen with dudes. It's
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: just not a thing. The closest you would get to
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: something like that would be the reckless cowboy, kind of.
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: I don't know if that's a trope that... The serial killer.
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: You're talking about the serial killer, aren't you, Aaron?
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: No.
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: No.
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: Like, the reckless cowboy like the space cowboy Han Solo. Right?
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: And he's like that in a way. He had some
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: unaccountable traits. But what happened to him? The moment he
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: started caring about other people, he started growing up and
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: becoming accountable. So he had a redemption arc in that.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: And of course, there was a woman involved in that.
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: So you don't really see that. You might in older,
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: older movies. find a manic pixie dream girl who grows
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: up because she gets together with a dude who is
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: um who tames her in some way or another but
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: i i don't i can't think of anything off the
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: top of my head and the ultimate manic pixie dream
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: girl keeps shoving herself into my head every time i
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: think of this stupid trope um uh breakfast at tiffany's
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: holly go lightly.
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: In Garden State.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: I haven't watched that movie, but I know.
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: Of that being highlighted in that movie.
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. I mean, Audrey Hepburn had the perfect
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: Manic Pixie Dream Girl face figure and bubbly personality, so
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: there's that. But the thing is, you couldn't do... believable
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: male version of that even if he was gay like
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: even if he was.
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: Like Jeffrey Dahmer.
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: More like I can't even think of a if you
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: had a gay Willy Wonka I don't know like which
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: he was kind of dark and scary in some ways
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: too you know But they're just.
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: Let us not forget that there's a great deal of
• 56:35
  Speaker 4: women who will absolutely swoon over serial killers. And that's
• 56:41
  Speaker 4: like a more extreme version of a manic pixie dream girl,
• 56:43
  Speaker 4: isn't it? Sort of, in a way.
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: I think that they actually... They're aware of the consequences
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: of their actions. They go looking for those consequences. It's
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: a different thing there. But in any case, my point
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: in stopping and talking about this on this paragraph is
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: there's a level of emotional and psychological risk that gets
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: inserted into dating when casual sex is part of the
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: dating ritual, the normal dating ritual. you don't have when
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: it's just, you know, going to a party with friends
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: or going to a movie or hanging out at the mall,
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: which I don't even know if malls are all that
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: popular anymore. You know, but so you don't have the
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: opportunity to just go out with somebody because they're an
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: interesting person and you don't know if you're sexually attracted
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: to them yet. Suddenly, Women are only dating people that
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: they're immediately sexually attracted to. And a lot more guys
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: get left out of the dating mix. And it's pretty obvious, just,
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: you know, to me at least, it's pretty obvious from
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: reading that paragraph. That's what he was trying to say.
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: It's not that there's some fair share, right? But that's
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: the first reaction I saw was that dipshit. But he
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: goes on. It wasn't just about missing sex. Those guys
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: also got shut out of regular social time with women.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: They never got the practice that young men used to get,
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: talking to girls, going on dates, figuring out relationships, learning
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: how people actually work together. Instead, they got called creeps
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: and losers. If you so much as talk to a
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: girl now, you're a creep or a loser if she's
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: not already attracted to you, right? If you consider asking
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: her to go to a movie, you're obviously trying to
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: get into her pants now. And if you're... not the
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: hottest guy in school, or the hottest guy in the office,
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: or the hottest guy on the dating site, or whatever environment.
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: Chicks are in.
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: But yeah, if you're not the hottest guy, then all
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: of a sudden, you're a creep or a loser. You
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: don't have to be the guy who does something inappropriate
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: because he doesn't understand boundaries. And the thing is, there's
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: a certain age at which guys are, they're not desperate necessarily,
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: but they're easy. And so, There aren't a lot of
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: women who are having this experience of no practice at all,
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: no getting to talk to anybody, no getting to figure
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: this stuff out. They're getting the opportunity because there are
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: guys that are willing to talk to them. There are
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: guys that meet their standards that are willing to talk
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: to them. There are guys that meet their standards that
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: are willing to go places with them and hang out.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: There are guys that meet their standards that are even
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: willing to make out. even if they're not, you can
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: be mid and still have the attention of the hottest
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: guy in your environment. It's more about your personality in
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: that situation and how you present yourself and whether you
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: have what it takes to interest the guy beyond looks. So,
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: A lot of these women don't understand that experience of
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: just being shut out entirely of the social development phase
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: of your life. He goes on that that kind of
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: treatment cuts deep. A lot of women talked about them
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: like they were trash when they weren't around. That kind
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: of treatment cuts deep and it's wounded many men. an
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: entire developmental stage of their life, gatekept and stolen from
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: them by selfish, shallow, immature women. And here you can tell,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: based on this paragraph, you can tell that what he's
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: talking about is not that women are selfish, shallow, and
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: immature for not sleeping around with every guy that they meet.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: They're selfish, shallow, and immature for treating women any attempt
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: at having a conversation as if it's a creepy behavior.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: You can't say, you know, hi, Sally, how you doing?
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: Without being, why are you talking to me? As your
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: response that you get. And then, you know, the next
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: thing you know, it gets back to you that Sally
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: was deeply offended that you dare ask her to talk
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: to you. Who do you think you are? Of course,
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: that's heavy. That's going to weigh heavily on a guy's psyche.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: And it is selfish, shallow and immature. You could just say,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: you know, hi, George, I'm doing fine. How are you?
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: And keep right on walking if you're not interested in
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: any further conversation. So you have one group of men
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: living the full version of those years, often many times over,
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: while another group sits on the outside watching it happen
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: and feeling left behind, angry, and worthless. When those feelings
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: show up, women jump in and cruelly say the real
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: problem is left out men think women owe them sex.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: That takes a real problem of exclusion and turns it
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: into a moral failing on the men's side, instead of
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: acknowledging what it is, a failure on the women's side.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: It skips over the uneven setup and the harsh way
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: a lot of the rejected guys get treated. Like if
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: you go your whole life being treated like you're gum
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: on the bottom of somebody's shoe, are you going to
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: think you're worth a lot when you reach adulthood? Are
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: you going to know how to talk to people? Are
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: you going to, you know, know how specifically how to
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: talk to women? What are you going to do when
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: you have to work in an office or another environment
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: where there are women? And, you know, there's casual conversation
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: and there's work conversation and you don't know how either
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: one of them is supposed to go. Kind of a
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: rough situation. This is what created incels. And as usual,
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: the women who cause this, the majority, will not take
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: any accountability or personal responsibility for it and all the
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: suffering it's created. In other words, responding, women don't owe
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: you sex, to the discussion of the fact that some
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: men are excluded from the entirety of social interaction the
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: whole time that they're going between elementary school age and
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: their adult years, their whole teenage experience is one of exclusion,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: not just with regard to sex or not even with
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: regard to sex, but with regard to, hi, how are
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: you doing? Or can I sit here? Or anything like that.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 5: My teenage years were just me in my bedroom. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 5: And I didn't really interact with anybody until, like, years later.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: This is the way things are for a lot of guys.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: I'm sure you probably ran into a lot of other
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: people in incel forums that have had similar experiences. Yeah.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: I've talked to a few guys online that, you know,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: I've asked them, you know, how do girls treat you
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: in high school? And one guy, the way he said
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: it was they didn't. I didn't receive treatment from girls.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: I was ignored. And I was like, what do you mean?
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: They didn't talk to him.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they shunned. I got shunned.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Like what you're talking about, they didn't talk to him.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: They didn't. They acted like he had somebody else's problem
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: force field around him. Like they wouldn't look at him.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: If he dropped all his books, nobody helped him pick
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: them up. You know, if. If they're picking teams, they
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: didn't even look in his direction. Shadow class says his
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: teenage years were the same way.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 5: I was mostly in my room. I was online during
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 5: the early internet years. I was on the internet from 1995.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 5: I just spent time on the internet.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: If you're terminally in your room, you're going to be
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: terminally online.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 7: This is like during the dial-up era yeah being a
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 7: teenager sucks for the majority of I'm going to say
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 7: teenagers but especially male.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 5: Teenagers because you can't drink you can't drink and you
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 5: can't play with your.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 4: Toys so just as you could say it sucks being
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 4: a child because there's so many freedoms you don't have
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 4: but you don't notice any of that shit going on
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 4: when you're a child You're sort of just enjoying being
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 4: a child. At least this is my reflection as a
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 4: Gen X slash millennial type thing. But yeah, the things
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 4: that suck about being a child, like not having freedom,
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 4: still apply when you're a teenager. But then you also
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 4: have the problems of of puberty and everything it brings
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 4: with it, that you, you suddenly discover that you're not
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 4: a child anymore and, and you're not quite a man either.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 4: I mean, I, speaking from a, a male's experience, because
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 4: you have to do an awful lot to be a man.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 4: And when you're a teenager, you haven't experienced that because
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 4: you're still in school. Um, you have all the, um,
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 4: incompetence of a child and none of the freedom of
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 4: an adult. And it kind of sucks. It sucks even
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 4: more that you have to spend at least nine hours
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 4: a day um in an institution with uh other such
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 4: um not broken individuals but breaking individuals um uh people
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 4: who are transitioning from being a child to being not
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 4: a child but not an adult either it's uh I
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 4: wonder if it's always been such a volatile state in
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 4: people's lives. I guess it is because puberty is obviously
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 4: going to change you from one life to another life.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 4: It's going to change you from one person to another person.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 4: And it's difficult to know how to shepherd this change
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 4: in the average person. let alone the above or below
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 4: average person. But I think one of the worst things
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 4: you could do is put them in a school. Surround
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 4: them with other warped humans who are struggling to come
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 4: to terms with their life. But at the same time,
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 4: I guess people do need to interact with each other
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 4: so they can empathize with each other and know that
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 4: they're not alone in this, in this bizarre change that
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 4: they're going through. I just, I don't know, putting the
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 4: worst of us among the best of us. Um, it
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 4: seems like a tactic with diminishing returns.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 4: People often apply, um, a racial way to apply this
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 4: like it's wrong to expect different races to interact with
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 4: each other especially when they're teenagers because they're going to
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 4: be so tribal and hostile but you know I grew
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 4: up in the 90s in England there was no racial
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 4: tensions but anyone who went to school will know that No, yeah,
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 4: you had to deal with people who chimped out. All
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 4: the time. Teenagers fucking chimp out. However much it might
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 4: be a racial thing. There's no race who doesn't have
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 4: to deal with fucking idiots who chimp out. Because we've
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 4: all been to school. We've all been... Those of us
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 4: who went to state school. I mean, some of us
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 4: have gone to posh schools or boarding schools and and
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 4: shit like that. But most of us have had to
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 4: be thrust into an environment with the very worst among
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 4: us and the very best among us. And it seems
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 4: to have more of a detrimental effect on the best
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 4: of us than it does have a positive effect on
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 4: the worst of us. And I've got something to say
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 4: about communism here, but it's not striking me. It's, yeah,
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 4: not everyone is equal. teenagers seem to be under the
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 4: delusion that equality is the way to go young people
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 4: in general the younger you get as often I've observed
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 4: children even of the youngest of age when you ask
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 4: them their political opinions as far as you can ask
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 4: them their political opinions they'll be like everyone should share
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 4: Everyone should love each other and everyone should get along
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 4: with each other. But then as soon as that child
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 4: is not getting what they want, it's all, no, me,
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 4: I want. And that's what you have to deal with
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 4: when you're a child and when you're a teenager, when
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 4: you're trying to grow out of that mindset of this
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 4: default hypocrisy. Like, everyone should be nice except me when
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 4: I don't feel like it.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: You know, that's pretty much the way women think in general.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: And kindergartners. Kindergartners think that way, too.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 4: Women are being treated like kindergartners for their entire teenage
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 4: and adult lives.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: Because they act like kindergartners, right? They expect, they've been
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: coddled to their entire lives. They just expect that same
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: type of treatment. And if society doesn't capitulate to what
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: they want to their whims, then it's everybody else that's wrong. Oh,
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: it's men.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's this.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: No, how about you grow up and learn how to
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: deal with your own shit and be an adult? I
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: don't know. Is that crazy?
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 4: Yes, and you're a man.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: Zero days! But yeah, this toxic soup of throwing kids together,
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: worst and best, and everyone in between all in the
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: same place, minimal supervision, and minimal guidance on how to behave.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: They get more upset if your hairstyle violates the school rules.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: than if your behavior makes a guy suicidal. Wow. That's
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: basically the environment boys are put into in school. And girls.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: That's what created incels. And as usual, the women who
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: cause this, the majority, will not take any accountability or
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: personal responsibility for it and all the suffering it's created. No,
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: they don't take responsibility for anything. A woman can stand
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: in front of a giant Rube Goldberg device, look through
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: the entire thing and see every step of the way.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: Here's what knocks this piece over and drops that piece and,
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: you know, through the hoop onto the weight that gets
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: that piece started and so on. And the end result
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: is it's going to hit the baby in the head
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: with a hammer. And they'll still push the first domino
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: and then say, it's my fault. Like, bitch, yes it is.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: You saw what was going to happen. You knew exactly
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: what was going to happen. And they don't go pick
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: up the baby either, by the way. They just sit
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: there and watch it happen. Oh my gosh, this is
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: so terrible. How did this happen? You fucking pushed the
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: first domino.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 4: And allow me to do an actually. Incels were not created.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 4: The term incel was created. Just like the term uncle
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 4: or Ares. I'm both of these things, by the way.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 4: I didn't decide to be any of these things. I
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 4: just was born and someone told me I'm an Ares
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 4: and apparently that means some things. And then sometime later
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 4: I became an uncle. And now I get to call
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 4: myself that thing even though I didn't do anything. Other
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 4: people did a thing. And now I'm an uncle. And
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 4: other people decided that when the time when you were
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 4: born in the year means anything. And so now you're
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 4: an Aries. And so that means some things. I can't
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 4: remember how I got onto this.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: The idea that incel has meaning. Well, the thing is,
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: there's always been, there's always been a segment of the
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: population that doesn't find partners. The majority of that segment
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: of the population that doesn't find partners is male. And
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: there's always been that situation where those guys are left out.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: And there's always been a segment of the population that
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: finds partners and then they go to war and they die.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: And then they're left as widows. and you know that
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: that remained pretty stable for the longest time until we
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: we started developing technology that we could use to fight
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: that resulted in much fewer deaths in war and then
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: then you don't have quite as much of a problem
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: of creating widows war widows but the population of guys
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: who are left out seems to have gotten larger over
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: time to the degree that um It's probably higher now
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: than it's ever been. And in the past, you still
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: had that socialization that took place during your youth. You
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: still interacted with people who were the opposite sex. You
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: still had, you know, people treated you like a human being.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: Maybe you were a human being with flaws, but you
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: were a human being. And there was a degree of
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: value applied to all human beings by their peers, at
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: least at their economic level. Obviously, the elites always have
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: treated the poor like disposable peons and owners of anything
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: that's the equivalent of in the modern era corporations, whether
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: it was big farms or governments or anything else like that,
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: a large army, a warlord, they would treat the people
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: below them as more disposable. But when it comes to
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: people who are at the same level socially and the
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: same level economically, they at least had some value for
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: each other. And now we are in a culture in
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: which there's a body of Of the male population. They're
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: just invisible to everybody.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 5: Hello.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: Hello again Richard.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 5: Hello. I am part of the population.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Richard walks down the street. Most people will not
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: look in his direction. If they do. It's going to
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: be an annoyance. What's he doing here? And it's a rough.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 5: Thing.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: To see that happen to your friend even just sitting
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: in an outdoor restaurant like and sitting next to Richard
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: and you see people kind of looking at him like
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: what's that guy doing here and it's like you can't
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: get up and go punch people because that's illegal so
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: you just kind of ignore it yeah I mean it's
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: illegal to sneeze in the UK right now But, you know.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 5: She's joking, but she's not.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: I'm not joking.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: No, but the thing is.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: If you're the wrong person, they'll call you a misogynist.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: You know, for me, the thing is, like, you know,
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: I'm happy to sit down with Richard anywhere. Anywhere. If
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: somebody's going to have a problem, then you're going to
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: have a problem with me. And, you know, but you
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: shouldn't be focused on that. Like, just enjoy... the time
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: that you have to share with your friends, the world
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: be damned. I couldn't care one, I could not care
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: less what anybody has to say about me. It will
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: never change the way I feel about myself, right? And
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: I wish that people would be kinder Right. And have
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: a little bit more empathy. But that's just not the
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: world that we live in. So we can't operate around
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: the way that they work.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: Because they're just. But the problem isn't, you know, just
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: noticing somebody giving you dirty looks and being annoyed by it.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: There are people. Well, let's let's be frank about this.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: There are women that will go from that. to filing
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: a complaint with police or going to some stupid website
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: like iHollaback and writing fanfiction, like reverse fanfiction against the incel.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: This guy sat close to me on the bus because
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: he's a stalker. There were other seats, but he picked
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: that one.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 5: Do you remember the story about the girl that almost
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 5: had me arrested? Yep. Yeah.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So it's not just uncomfortable. It can be dangerous.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: And I've had friends throughout my whole life that have
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: been the richards of the world. They're perfectly nice people.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: When you get to know them, they're interesting and fun
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: to talk to. And pretty cool guys, actually. Yeah. But
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: because there's one thing or another that if you never
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: get to know them and you just view them from
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: a distance... can be off-putting. They get treated like something's
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: dangerous or wrong about them, or they're the butt of
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: people's jokes, or they're the boogeyman in people's games with
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: the police, or people's, like I said, reverse fan fiction.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: The iHollaback thing, when I first discovered that website, I
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: discovered it because somebody suggested that I needed to read
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: it to understand how creepy guys are. And I'm like,
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: of course, I knew what I was going to find
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: before I went and looked. And it did not disappoint.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: The first thing I came across was a story written
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: by a girl. And I say story from her perspective.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: She was telling us her lived experience. And the entire
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: plot line of her lived experience was that she got
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: out of work. And she had to ride the bus home.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: And she had to walk a distance from her workplace,
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: like some number of blocks to the bus stop. And
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: some guys her age were also walking in that direction.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: And she got on the sidewalk before they did. So
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: the way she told it was that no sooner had
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: she left her workplace and gotten just a little ways
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: down the street than some guys started following her. Now,
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: these were guys that were headed to the same bus
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: stop she was, and they were going to get on
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: the bus and go somewhere. And I know this because
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: that's what they did. They went to the same bus
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: stop that she did. She got on the bus, they
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: got on the bus. She got on and sat down
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: in a seat that was a front seat. They sat
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: down in other nearby front seats. So maybe everybody was
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: tired and they didn't want to walk to the back
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: of the bus. But in her mind, These guys followed
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: her all the way from her workplace and then hung
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: around her at the bus stop instead of keeping their
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: distance and then chose to surround her on the bus
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: because they were creepy and weird. But nothing in her
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: description indicated that they even knew that they were guilty
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: of these things. None of them did anything none of
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: them approached her none of them attempted to you know
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: engage with her there was no moment of confirmation of
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: creepiness she just deemed them creepy and by the way
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: if i went someplace and it was after dark and
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: i genuinely thought i was in danger like i if
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: i genuinely had a reason to think i was being
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: followed by a group of of uh Hinky guys, like
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: somebody that was suspect, you know, for whatever reason. I
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: wouldn't do the things that she described doing either. The
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: way that she claims to have communicated to these guys
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: that she didn't want any interaction was that she put
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: her hood up. You can damn well bet my hood
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: wouldn't be up because I want my line of sight
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: to be as wide as possible in a situation like that.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: And she put, she put her earbuds in.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 5: No, no.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: I want to hear somebody's coming up behind me. Right.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: And she kept her head down. I'm doing none of
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: those things. If I'm walking someplace and I am nervous,
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: anybody that can see me will know that I am
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: aware of my surroundings. And I'm not, you know, in
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: any way, shape or form. compromised there's no safe way
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: to approach and uh you're going to face at least
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: some kind of consequence if you try anything like that's
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: that's what i would do if i was in a
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: situation where i was scared of the people around me
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: but not what she did right so i don't think
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: she was scared my opinion is if she really was
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: scared she would not have cut off her own senses.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: But that kind of behavior, this person that I was
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: arguing with that asked me to go read that site,
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: there was story after story that was just like that.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: Some stupid thing happens and the girl blows it all
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: out of proportion and makes the guy out to be
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: some kind of creep when there was no interaction or
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: the interaction was, is this the bus that goes to
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: community X? Is such and such closed? Because now, you know,
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: maybe they were walking the other direction and the girl
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: is wearing the uniform from that place. Oh, is such
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: and such closed now?
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 5: Crap.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: And then he turns back around and walks the other way. Like,
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: none of those things are creepy. But the person I
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: was arguing with was trying to persuade me that it's
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: very important for women to be able to do things
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: like get a restraining order on a guy without any
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: evidence and have it go into effect immediately. And if
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: he has 30 days of having to police himself very
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: carefully to avoid this chick while waiting to find out
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: if it's legitimate, well, it's for her protection. And, you know,
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: I had just pointed out that women are using those
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: to harass men. I happen to know at least two
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: different guys personally one of whom I grew up with
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: that was subjected to restraining order abuse where the chick
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: gets a restraining order and then goes and hangs out
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: where he can't avoid her and then calls the cops
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: and says he's violating the restraining order. And, you know,
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: they shouldn't be able to do that. That should result
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: in a restraining order immediately being removed. That should result
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: in prosecution. But instead, well, that's a violation. That violation
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: legitimizes the restraining order. And now when there's a hearing
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: in court to see if the restraining order is going
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: to be legitimate or not, she can submit into evidence
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: that he's already been convicted of violating it. So this
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: kind of, you know, creep shaming and finger pointing and,
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: and staring daggers at a guy for being in a
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: public place because he's a little bit different than, than
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: any guy you would be interested in that, that a
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: lot of women do. It's not harmless. It's just a
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: piece in a big Rube Goldberg device. It's the domino.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: And it's, um, You know, in the Seven Years in
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: Hell story, the vexatious litigant had a 30-day temporary restraining
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: order in effect for a year because of a situation
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: like that. She accused him of violating it, and she
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: wanted the allegation of the violation to be heard first
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: so that she could try to get a conviction, because
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: if she had a conviction, she could make the restraining
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: order stick. Obviously... And she did that more than once. Obviously,
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: every time she asked for a continuance on the restraining
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: order hearing, his lawyer asked for a continuance on the
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: violation hearing to see if the restraining order was legit
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: because the alleged violation was something that wouldn't be illegal
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: if there was no restraining order. And I can't remember
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: whether it was the time she accused him of crank
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: calling her She did that a couple of times. At
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: one point, she submitted false evidence on that. Or the
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: time that she accused him of being in a public
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: place where she also happened to be. There was no, like,
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: assault she was claiming happened. So, I mean, these kinds
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: of things, you know, the little things that seem like
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: illegitimate complaints in the moment, they're not harmless. I've been
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: places where the guys I was hanging out with were
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: asked to leave because some chick decided that they were
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: staring at her butt or talking about her when they
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: were actually talking about some comic book character and so on.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 4: Do you remember her name? By the way, I'm not
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 4: asking you for her name.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: Oh, you mean the vexation litigant?
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm just wondering how much restraint you're exercising when
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 4: you always call her the vexatious litigant.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: You have no idea. Her name is relevant in the
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: moment in a major news story right now. Wow. And
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: I can't tell the public about it because.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God, you're killing me.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: I would be doxing her. I don't know. Bitch is
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: going to write a book, or at least she has
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: said she's going to write a book. She asked the
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: court for permission to write a book.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 4: They get to call themselves nothing but the vexatious litigant
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 4: until they write their book.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: And then we'll see what happens. That's going to change everything.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 5: So....
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: But in any case, yeah.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 5: It is.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: It is that situation. Where you feel like these things
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: shouldn't be big complaints. And individually, they wouldn't be. Nobody
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: cares about that kind of thing, right? But once you
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: get into where they lead, they are. So, as he said,
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: thanks to this, a lot of guys are just leaving
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: the dating market altogether. They don't see building a family
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: with someone or having a partner on the horizon. they
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: don't aspire to anything and just live within their means.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: These are typically good guys who would have committed to
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: a relationship. These are typically good guys who would have
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: wanted to get married and raise a family, maybe. Thankfully,
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 1: a lot of them are waking up and seeing this
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: for what it is. Hopefully, there's going to be big consequences.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: And if enough of these men leave and don't come back,
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: Women will find themselves alone with no options after they
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: hit the wall, and the men they used to chase
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: have moved on to younger women. And that's all that's
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: going to be left are simps, sneaky fuckers, and male
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: feminists they don't respect.
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 5: All dirty mackers. All dirty mackers. Which is the black
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 5: version of that word that Hannah just said.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: Yep. And of course, there's more to it. And this is,
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: so this is under relevance. Let's look at.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 5: Even some health professionals tend to ignore me sometimes because
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 5: of my, because of, yeah, because I don't look that good.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 4: You're talking about the NHS, right? When you say health professionals, yeah,
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 4: they ignore everyone. They ignore literally everyone if they can
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 4: get away with ignoring them.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 5: Yep.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: So Shadow Claw describes a real problem. It is an
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: issue that, you know, people could have said, hey, can
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: you clarify about this a little bit? Can you give
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: us some more information? What are you concerned about with
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: these guys? But instead, we get, well, this chick, she
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: doesn't really count because her whole thing is... She's obsessed
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: with the right-wing talking point that men are leaders and
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: women are followers. So everything she says is about that.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 5: Is she, like, do not redeem? Or is she actually
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 5: a woman?
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: It's really hard to tell. But she does kind of
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: act like a woman in that she hammers at that
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: one point and she won't talk about anything else without
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: bringing it around back to that. And then... When you
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: argue with her, she completely ignores the logic and factual
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: parts of the conversation and acts as though everything that
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: you say and everything that she said proves her case,
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: even if it doesn't.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 4: You know, the West has only recently discovered the Indian
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 4: concept of Izzat. And it's sort of slowly reaching through
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 4: our annals of communication. And it's left me wondering if
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 4: there's been different kinds of honor, right? East Asians have
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 4: a certain kind of honor. Europeans have a certain kind
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 4: of honor. And South Asian continentals have a certain kind of.
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 5: Honor.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 4: And I have to wonder if any of this is
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 4: divisible between gender lines. I don't know if I should
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 4: have to explain what ISAT is.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 3: It probably would be a good idea just because you
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 3: have a wide audience and I'm sure there's plenty of
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 3: people that don't have any clue.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 4: It's an honor system that's specific to... the South Asian continent,
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 4: like India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, stuff like that. And it's honour
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 4: that isn't based on valour. It's not based on what
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 4: exists in God's eyes, shall we say. It's not something...
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 4: It's so difficult to describe Izzat if you don't speak Hindi.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 4: You can cheat people. You can embezzle from people. You
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 4: can commit any crime from people. And as long as
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 4: you get away with it, you get Izzat. It's that
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 4: kind of honour. it does count as a kind of
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 4: honour but it's completely alien to eastern and western kinds
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 4: of honour if you can lie and cheat your way
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 4: out of something then you get.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 7: Honour oh no.
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 4: I know that's weird to hear for people for whom
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 4: honor is based on truth and honesty. But in the
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 4: Indian subcontinent, their idea of honor is based on no.
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 4: Truth doesn't matter. Fairness doesn't matter. Lying and cheating your
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 4: way out of your lying and cheating is honor. That's
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 4: what Izzat means. I hope I've... We're all working on
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 4: trying to describe it in as few words as possible
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 4: in the Western tongue. But I think that's roughly it.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 4: And it's not just India. It's all kinds of these
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 4: third world places. And like we say, it's not their
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 4: fault because they're poor.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: All right, maybe not.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 4: Maybe not. But maybe the... The screwed up honor system
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 4: is the reason they're poor in the first place.
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they shit in the street.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: You won't be taking any clues on morality from these people.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 2: If stealing is okay, I can't knock down with that.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 4: I don't know to what degree we can get into
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 4: this without getting our channel banned from YouTube forever.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: I don't either. I guess what I'll do is kind
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: of rein this in. How does it relate to the
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: topic of this behavior? that we just were discussing. Cause you, it,
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: you bounced off Michelle here and her obsession with the
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: idea that men are leaders and women are, um, women
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: are followers with it. So what is, what is the, uh,
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: ultimate point of that?
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 4: Um, do the difference between collectivism and individualism. Uh, not
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 4: that either of those things is, is a quick fix
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 4: for anything, but, um, I think, is that relates to
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 4: collectivism in the same way that, you know, women are
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 4: a bit more collectivist and men are a bit more individualist. Again,
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 4: not that neither of these things can ever go too far.
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 4: The situation we found ourselves in is what happens when
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 4: you mix the two collectivists and the two individualists like
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 4: some people can be so individualist that they become collectivist
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 4: and vice versa and yeah um couple that with uh
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 4: with these um exotic ideas of what honor means and
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 4: these modernistic ideas of what equality means as presented by
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 4: feminists and other such Marxists and you have a recipe
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 4: for chaos and that's why it's so difficult to describe
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 4: because chaos is so difficult to describe because it abandons
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 4: itself from any possibility of being described am I Sorry,
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 4: I don't know what I'm talking about.
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 2: It's okay.
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: I suppose it could be related to the fact that
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: when she's arguing with someone, the way that she argues
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: is to have a gotcha, not to prove her point,
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: just to Find something to. You know that you don't
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: have a comeback for. It doesn't matter if. She gets
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 1: into the weeds. And. The thing that you don't have
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: a comeback for. Doesn't prove your point.
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 2: Or.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: Discredit yours. She's had. Her win. So she. Essentially cheated
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 1: her way out of it. And I suppose that's. Is that.
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: But this next one, her name is Tata. So she's
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: named after the nickname for tits. Men are so disgusting,
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: she says. Anything to bash women. They're loose sluts, not frigid.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: Get cheated on, choose better. Choose better, discriminatory. Poverty because
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: man has no money, choose better. Choose a rich guy, superficial.
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 1: We can't do anything right, it seems. So again, totally
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: missing the entire point of this right the idea that
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 1: casual sex uh is common isn't necessarily blaming women although
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: it is women's fault um because women are the ones
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: who decided that casual sex was going to become normal
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: but uh in reality what she's doing is collectivizing a
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: whole bunch of different Attitudes that aren't held by the
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: same men. Right. Some men do not want. Women who
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: are loose. Some men do. Some men do not want.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 5: To.
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: Hear from women who have been cheated on. Because they
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: consider it a failure. To not vet your partner for character.
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: And they vet their partners for character. Right. And so
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: that's what they expect. And then there are some men
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 1: who expect women to not vet men for character. Although
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: there's a hell of a lot more women who expect
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 1: men to never vet women for character. And there are
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: some guys who think that it's superficial to have making
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: a lot of money as your goal or marrying a
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: rich guy as your goal. And there are some guys...
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 1: who think that if a woman marries a poor guy,
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: she made a stupid choice. But they're not the same guys.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: And the same thing is true with women. There are
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: some women who have more interest in personality traits or
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: physical appearance, and there are some women who only care
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: about money. They're not the same women. Men acknowledge that.
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: Women collectivize. So she first of all collectivized, but second
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: of all, she used that and added temper tantrum there
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 1: as a means of completely ignoring the problem that Shadowclaw
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 1: is actually discussing, which is the fact that a large
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: number of young men grow up without being socialized. They
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: have no experience in how to relate to, talk to,
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: interact with, work with, live with the opposite sex. So
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: we're going to look some more at comments and further
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: parts of this discussion next week. Partly because this comment
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: really is true. A lot of people are either not
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: reading everything he said or reading it in bad faith.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: But I want to point out, like I was saying
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: earlier in the show, imagine you're the guy. Imagine you're
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: the person that every place you go, people act like,
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: you know, what are you doing here? You shouldn't be here.
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: You're scum. How dare you come in here? You're making
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: people uncomfortable just by being here.
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 5: I get that all the time.
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 7: Right?
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: And in a lot of cases, that guy is autistic,
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: maybe has intellectual disabilities.
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 5: Even in MRA spaces sometimes.
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 1: Yep, even in MRA spaces sometimes. That's sad. A lot
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 1: of times, maybe that guy has other disabilities, physical disabilities.
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 1: Maybe he's unattractive. Maybe he's very shy. Maybe he's very
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 1: socially awkward. Sometimes he's clueless. Think of George McFly. That guy.
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 1: And George McFly goes skiing, breaks his hip, and goes
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: to the NHS after they've started using medical assistance in
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: dying the same way that Canada does.
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 1: How hard is he going to fight internally if instead
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: of suggesting a cast and a healing period, somebody asks
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 1: him if he's interested in medical assistance in dying to
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 1: deal with his hip pain. Imagine he never gets married, never,
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: never meets Marty's mom. None of that happens. And he
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 1: has this idea that he's going to be forever alone.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: He doesn't know how to relate to women. And he
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 1: doesn't have any chances in the future. There is already
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: a serious issue of male suicide where we don't always
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 1: know the causes. If we.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: If we don't have a suicide note or the guy
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: doesn't survive the attempt and can't tell us and there
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: weren't any clues left behind, you know, some disaster, a divorce,
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 1: a job loss or something. There's already enough instances where
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 1: nobody knew that this guy was going through a lot.
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: Nobody knew how bad things were. until after he died.
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: And then there are invisible men who kill themselves. Homeless men.
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 1: Men who have no close friends and family. Men who
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: are the bottom of society's barrel. And they might not
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 1: even be found right away. It's not... a small problem.
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 1: It's the majority of suicides are men. And now we
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: have this situation. Men who grew up never being socialized,
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 1: men who are awkward, men who get treated like persona
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 1: non gratis everywhere they go are going to have to
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: depend on A mostly female profession. A profession where the
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 1: primary people they're going to be dealing with are going
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 1: to be nurses and nurses' aides. You know, Lindsay Clancy
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 1: was a nurse, by the way. What?
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 5: And so was the people in the jurors as well. Yep.
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 1: Some of the jurors were nurses, too. Some of the
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 1: jurors that wanted immediately before there was any evidence presented
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 1: wanted to already acquit her. Nurses. And that's who they're
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 1: going to be talking to if they go in. What
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 1: if one of them has a crisis of depression or
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 1: anxiety and goes in there already suicidal? One of the
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 1: things that our civilization has done in the past that
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 1: has been pretty evil is singling out and sell men.
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 1: Men who wouldn't necessarily have had the terminology back then,
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: but men who are confirmed bachelors, not because they're MGTOW types,
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: but because there isn't anybody that's ever going to be interested.
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 1: They don't have any prospects. Those are the guys that
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 1: get drafted first in times of war. Those are the
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: guys that get recruited into the military with promises of
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: improving their lives, improving their circumstances, and how much chicks
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 1: dig the uniform, stuff like that. And it works for
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 1: some of them, but not all of them.
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 5: I think World War II helped to get rid of
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 5: most of those guys.
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 1: A lot of those guys ended up left on the battlefield.
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 1: in pieces sent home in bags. And that was, that
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 1: was the way that, uh, the population that would have
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 1: needed support as, uh, as men who do not have
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 1: the social skills that, that normal people have, normal men have, um,
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: That's a lot of the reason that we didn't really
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 1: hear historically about this large body of men that can't
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: get a date and are upset about it. Because there
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 1: was always a reason why many of them didn't survive.
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 5: I'm pretty much content about not dating and not being
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 5: in a relationship now. I think I've gotten over the rage.
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 5: of it and I have to be careful when I'm
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 5: interacting with women to the point where I try to
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 5: avoid them as much as possible now.
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you've gotten to the point where you're starting to
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 1: see the MGTOW light.
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but I don't think I'd be accepted in the
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 5: MGTOW community that much.
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 4: It's very difficult when you're in your 20s when you're
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 4: sort of every cell in your body is telling you
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 4: to go sow your wild oats. And it feels frustrating
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 4: at the time. But then once you're in your 30s,
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 4: dare I say your 40s, you look back on it
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 4: and think, thank God I didn't get involved in any
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 4: psycho bitches. And there was a good chance that any
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 4: given woman who I ever could have possibly gotten involved
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 4: with would have turned out to be a psycho bitch.
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 5: Because I look at... the males in my family and
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 5: they've been through divorce and the females took them for everything.
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 5: I'm like, I'm glad I'm invisible to women to the
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 5: point where they don't know I exist. So I'm grateful
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 5: for that.
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 1: It's probably saved you a lot of trouble.
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I would say you're probably better off. You know, it's...
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 2: It's better once you recognize that these women aren't really
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 2: about shit. I don't even know how to boil it
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 2: down any further. They're just, oh my God, women are
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 2: so narcissistic. I'm telling you, I'm telling you right now,
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 2: a lot of these women are not good for your health.
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 2: They will drag you down with them just so they
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 2: can kind of feel some kind of significance in their life.
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 5: That's what happened to me when the girl had me arrested.
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 5: I think she felt some joy because I didn't pick
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 5: up on the social cues that she liked me. So
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 5: she took it as a rejection. So she called the
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 5: police on me.
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 1: If you're narcissistic, being rejected is like a thousand times
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 1: harder than if you're just a normal person. And most women,
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 1: all women are a little bit narcissistic. Most women are
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 1: a lot. And I don't exclude myself. I will admit
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 1: to being a little bit narcissistic. I actually have to
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 1: push back against myself sometimes in terms of ego. It
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 1: just isn't related to my appearance. It's related to other things.
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 4: Just like all women are a little bit narcissistic, all
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 4: men are a little bit autistic. Yeah. And some of
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 4: us will admit to this. I mean, it is the
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 4: extreme male brain and the extreme female brain. But you'll notice...
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 4: Narcissistic women never accuse their ex-boyfriends of being autistic. They
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 4: accuse them of being narcissistic because a narcissist's favorite thing
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 4: to do is to accuse everyone else of being a narcissist.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Label people.
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  Speaker 4: It also makes sense because we're in this position where
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 4: 80% of the women will only put up with the
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 4: top 20% of men. Like, they don't want the ghosts.
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 4: They don't want the not people.
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  Speaker 5: That's gone down. It's 99% 99 over 1 now. Oh, wow.
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 4: It sort of makes sense that women would complain that
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 4: their preferred partners are narcissists. because their preferred partners are
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 4: narcissists their preferred partners are the top 20 percent of
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 4: men so obviously um uh the men that they want
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 4: the rich men the tall men the um.
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 1: Well, if you're going with the rich men, dark triad
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 1: narcissists are disproportionately represented there. You have to be sometimes
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 1: to get rich.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it shows you that women are just projecting. They're like, oh,
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 4: all the men I like are just narcissists. Yeah, because
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 4: you're a narcissist. But you don't get many men complaining
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 4: that all the women I like are autists. Even though,
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 4: you know, Autistic women are pretty fucking desirable. I'm not
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 4: going to say hot. I'm going to say storge. Remember storge? Yeah.
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 4: That's something you encounter with autistic women or even borderline
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 4: autistic women. And I'm sort of in two minds about
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 4: what screens are doing to humanity. that so many people,
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 4: girls and boys alike, are being raised on screens, and
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 4: this is turning people autistic.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like I've just been diagnosed.
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  Speaker 5: It's not that bad.
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  Speaker 4: Lauren and I both enjoy our screens. I like to
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 4: think we have a good balance between, you know, Hugging
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 4: and kissing each other as and when it feels appropriate.
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 4: And going beyond whenever it feels appropriate. That's none of
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 4: your business.
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  Speaker 2: But.
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 4: For the most of the time, yeah, we are kind
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 4: of addicted to our screens. But that's not necessarily autistic.
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 4: That's just something that happens in an age where there's
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 4: so many fucking screens that can deliver us all of
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 4: this entertainment. And this is... This is causing autists, and
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 4: it's causing narcissists. So it's difficult to pass our way
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 4: out of this swamp of eternal stench.
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: To some degree, screens taking over everything is turning... Is
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 4: turning autists more autistic. And turning narcissists more narcissistic. So
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Well that's the thing. People will latch on to stuff
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 1: like this. Like guns make people violent.
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  Speaker 5: No.
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  Speaker 1: But violent people use guns when they're violent. Right. Screens
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 1: make people autistic.
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 5: No.
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  Speaker 1: But autistic people will use screens differently. Than say normies.
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 5: And that's.
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 1: That's just the way it is. Artists will use screens
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 1: differently also than, than other people. Creative types will use
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 1: screens to communicate. Cause that's what all of our screen
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 1: devices are communication devices. Your computer is a communication device.
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 1: It's a tool to do things too. It's a calculator. Um, and, uh,
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 1: It's really a complicated calculator, and everything that you're doing
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 1: with your computer traces back to math, one way or another.
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 1: But when we use the internet, we're just communicating, and
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 1: sometimes playing games, sometimes being entertained because someone's communicating to us.
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 1: All behavior one way or another, all interactive behavior between
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 1: human beings, whether it's I'm showing you something for entertainment,
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 1: I've created a movie and I'm showing you the movie,
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 1: I've created a song, I'm showing you the song, or
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 1: I pass you on the highway and I cut you
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 1: off so close that you think you're going to hit
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 1: my rear bumper. All of that is communication one way
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 1: or another. And so people just expose more of themselves
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 1: one way or another by their use of the Internet.
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 1: What do they do with it? What do they do
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 1: with the screen? And unfortunately, we're discovering things that we
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 1: didn't want to know. And it's disturbing in some instances.
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 1: And so our civilization is going through some major growing
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 1: pains because of that right now. And I think this
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 1: is one of those examples. Men are very much aware
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 1: of what the sexual revolution did to them. It changed
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 1: the way that they grow up, and it changed the
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 1: way that they can relate to women in a very
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 1: damaging way, honestly. And it's It changed the way that
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 1: women relate to men too. And that was even more damaging.
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 1: To men. It wasn't very good for women either. But.
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 1: What we learned. When we see these types of communications
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 1: on the internet. Is that when women are confronted with
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 1: this information. When a woman has to see. Here are
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 1: the consequences of choices that women have been making. This
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 1: thing that you think is great, that you think is
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 1: freedom and fun and innocent and harmless, actually does quite
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 1: a great deal of damage and harm. And it might
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 1: feed your ego right now, but it's killing civilization. And
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 1: it's particularly, it's killing men. Rather than going, gosh, we
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 1: should think about, you know, how to fix this situation.
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 1: Women get offended. They take it personally. They get mad
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 1: and castigate and lecture and nag. It's exactly the same
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 1: reaction they had to being criticized for supporting Lindsay Clancy.
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 1: When men started saying, hey, you know, you're really creeping
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 1: me out with all the same Lindsay things you're saying here.
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 1: It makes it sound like you're going to kill your
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 1: kids too. Instead of thinking, gosh, you know, I really might.
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 1: sound different to them than I intended, or maybe I
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 1: didn't think this through and I'm not quite the same
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 1: because I'm not going to kill my kids, but she
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 1: did kill her kids. These women took it personally, got offended, right?
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 1: And started nagging and lecturing. They don't know how to
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 1: have a conversation about these issues where accountability for one's
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 1: own way of thinking and way of behaving and what
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 1: they're communicating needs to happen on both sides, they don't
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 1: know how to do that. They can't do that because
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 1: they're narcissistic. And if you ask them to take accountability
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 1: for the consequences of the way that they treat other
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 1: people and what they're actually doing to the development of
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 1: young men, You're offending the narcissist. You're asking the narcissist
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 1: to deign to come down from her pedestal and treat
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 1: the plebs like actual humans. How dare you? So they
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 1: nag and they lecture. They castigate. They flounce. And sometimes
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 1: they block you. They bounce. And that's what we're dealing with.
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 1: And unfortunately, the The face, the first line of communication
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 1: within the medical profession is women. It's mostly women. Nurses,
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 1: nurses' aides, receptionists that check you in to the hospital
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 1: and so on.
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 7: Women.
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 1: What's a guy going to do when he's in that
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 1: situation where he goes into the emergency room because he
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 1: is having... A crisis. A suicidal crisis. And he runs
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 1: into women.
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 5: Who. You can't really do much at that point. They
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 5: will dismiss it. They will dismiss it. As you acting out.
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 5: And they won't take you seriously.
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 1: They might. They very well might. It's a very risky situation. Especially.
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 5: I've been there before. It's happened to me a few times.
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 1: And they treat you like that.
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 1: Because that's exactly the opposite of how you should treat
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 1: somebody who's in a suicidal crisis. You know, if somebody
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 1: is trying to overcome the impulse to kill themselves, the
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 1: last thing that you should do is treat them like
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 1: they're a burden in the situation. You might treat them
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 1: like this is a dumb idea. you shouldn't do this,
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 1: I have a better idea, how about we talk about
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 1: the problem? Anything but treating them like you wish they
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 1: weren't there. Because that is the problem, they wish they
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 1: weren't there. Now, The UK is introducing this law. There
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 1: needs to be a failsafe in this law, a major
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 1: break on the train. If somebody comes in with a
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 1: problem like this, they should not be allowed to offer
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 1: medical assistance in dying.
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 5: They say it's going to be used as a cost-cutting measure.
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 1: Very possible. It's a scary idea. It looks like it's
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 1: happening in other places, though.
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 4: Look to Canada, and you will see your future. The West.
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 1: Yep. It's not just Canada. It's happened a couple of
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 1: places in the United States, too.
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 5: Oregon.
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 1: That's the thing that I'm the most concerned about.
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 3: Go ahead, Richard.
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 5: I was just listening to places where it's legal. Oregon, D.C.,
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 5: and other states as well.
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a few states, and there have been instances
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 1: where insurance companies have refused to treat illnesses. but said
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 1: that they would treat medical assistants in dying.
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 4: Switzerland has famously been a haven of assisted euthanasia for
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 4: a long time, but only if you have enough money
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 4: to pay the Swiss. And if you know anything about
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 4: the Swiss, they're a wealthy bunch of people, and if
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 4: you want to receive their services, you'd best turn up
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 4: with a shitload of money, yeah.
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 5: It's 10 grand in total to do it if you
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 5: want to go to Switzerland.
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but now Canada and now the UK and across
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 4: the Anglosphere, they are offering it for free, which is
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 4: to say on the taxes that you've been paying your
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 4: whole life. Yeah, I was going to... They're not doing
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 4: it for profit. They're doing it to save money.
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 5: Correct.
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 4: It's something we've discussed on many of the Thursday shows
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 4: we've had about maid or assisted dying or whatever it
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 4: is we're calling it. And I know this is hard
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 4: for socialists to hear, but if you kill people for free,
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 4: that's even worse than killing people for money. Do I
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 4: need to explain why that's... I'm not going to. I'm
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 4: just going to let you contemplate on why that would
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 4: be the case.
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 1: I think with that, though, I don't want to introduce
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 1: any more because we'll end up talking well beyond when
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 1: I should. We did have one more super chow. Izat
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 1: gave us $ 5 and said, I just think of Izat
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 1: as an honor system if honor was a zero-sum game.
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 4: It's like the idea of honor killing. You know, in
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 4: a lot of the Arab world.
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 4: Honor means you have to kill someone if they don't
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 4: do the right thing. Well, it's not that bad in
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 4: the subcontinent. But if someone wrongs you, then you have
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 4: to spend the rest of your life wronging them. It's tribalism. It's...
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 4: is what held us back for so long as these
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 4: various variations of homo sapiens. When we were just tribal
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 4: people who would kill each other just because they were
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 4: of the wrong tribe. That's sort of what it is.
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 4: Cohesion is not important. Saving face is what's important. That's
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 4: the closest... Translation to Izzat, and it was about saving face.
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 1: That makes sense.
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 4: But it's... In the Indian subcontinent, it's like a way
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 4: of life. It's not just keeping up with the Joneses,
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 4: it's keeping the Joneses down.
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 1: That makes sense, yeah. In the meantime, we will... We
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 1: will head into the after show. I will thank everybody
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 1: for listening. Thanks to my co-hosts for going over this
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 1: material with me. Thanks, Shadowclaw, for writing these posts. And thanks, Brian,
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 1: for making sure everything happens with this show because I
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 1: couldn't do it without you. Good night, all.