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- Lucas: We've talked a lot about the Penal Laws — the statutes that stripped Catholics of land, education, and political power. But we haven't really touched on what those laws did to the Irish language. And that's a story that runs deep, because language was at the very heart of the conflict. Luna: Did the Penal Laws specifically target the language? I thought they were about religion and property. Lucas: They didn't say 'speak English or else' — not directly. But by targeting Catholic education, they systematically dismantled the institutions that sustained Irish. The bardic schools, which had trained poets for centuries, were closed. The Church, which had used Irish in liturgy and teaching, was driven underground. So the language lost both its high culture and its institutional support. Lucas: The result was a slow strangulation. Irish became the language of the poor, the uneducated, the rural. To get ahead, you had to speak English. And that was exactly the point. Luna: So it was deliberate. A kind of cultural genocide. Lucas: Absolutely. The Statutes of Kilkenny back in 1366 had already tried to outlaw the use of Irish among Anglo-Normans, but that was more about preventing assimilation. The Penal Laws were different — they aimed to break the connection between Irishness and Catholicism entirely. And language was part of that identity. Lucas: But here's the thing: the language didn't die. It went into hiding. And in some ways, it flourished in that underground world. Luna: Hedge schools, right? I've heard those mentioned. Lucas: Exactly. Hedge schools were illegal Catholic schools held in secret — in barns, behind hedges, in ditches. And they taught Irish. Not just reading and writing, but poetry, history, grammar. The hedge school masters were often the heirs of the old bardic tradition. They kept the language alive for generations. Lucas: And the poets themselves adapted. The old bardic system was rigid — strict metres, praise poems for patrons. Under the Penal Laws, that world collapsed. So poets like Aodhagán Ó Rathaille and Seamus Dall Mac Cuarta created a new kind of poetry — more personal, more bitter, often in the aisling form, where Ireland appears as a beautiful woman waiting for deliverance. Luna: Ó Rathaille — he's the one who wrote 'Gile na Gile'? Lucas: That's him. 'Brightness of Brightness' — a vision poem where he sees a woman who is Ireland, and she's in chains. The poem is gorgeous and heart-wrenching. And it's written in Irish, in the new accentual metres that replaced the old syllabic ones. It's a direct response to the political situation — the defeat of the Jacobites, the destruction of the Gaelic aristocracy. Lucas: And Seamus Dall Mac Cuarta — he was blind, lived in County Louth, and his poems are full of lament for the lost world. He wrote about the exile of the Wild Geese, the decay of the great houses. His work is like a documentary of the Penal era. Luna: So the language survived in poetry. But what about everyday speech? Was it dying out among ordinary people? Lucas: It varied regionally. In the west and south, especially in Connacht and Munster, Irish remained strong. In the east, closer to Dublin and the Pale, English made more inroads. But even in the west, English was creeping in — because it was the language of commerce, of law, of any kind of advancement. Lucas: There's a telling statistic: by the 1770s, about half the population still spoke Irish as their first language. But by the time of the Famine in the 1840s, that had dropped to maybe a quarter. The Famine was a massive blow — it hit the Irish-speaking poor hardest, and many of those who emigrated took their language with them, but their children often abandoned it. Luna: And the National Schools didn't help. I've read they punished kids for speaking Irish. Lucas: That's right. The National School system, established in 1831, was supposed to be non-denominational, but in practice it promoted English. There are well-documented cases of children being beaten or having a tally stick hung around their neck for speaking Irish. The message was clear: Irish was a mark of ignorance. Lucas: But here's the irony: at the same time, there was a growing interest in Irish antiquities. The Celtic Renaissance of the late 18th and early 19th centuries saw scholars like Charlotte Brooke and James Macpherson — though Macpherson was famously controversial — collecting and translating Irish manuscripts. So the written language was being celebrated even as the spoken language was being suppressed. Luna: It's almost like the language was being preserved as a museum piece, while the living thing was being strangled. Lucas: Exactly. And that's a tension that runs right through Irish history. The language became a symbol of identity, but fewer and fewer people actually spoke it. By the time of the Gaelic Revival in the late 19th century, it was a conscious effort to bring it back from the brink. Lucas: And we should mention that the Catholic Church itself had a complex role. In the Penal era, priests often said Mass in Irish and used it for catechesis. But after Catholic Emancipation in 1829, the Church began to standardise and increasingly use English — partly to integrate into the British system, partly because of the influence of Maynooth, which trained priests in English. Luna: So even the Church, which had been a refuge, started to turn away from the language. Lucas: In some ways, yes. But at the grassroots, local priests often remained strong supporters of Irish. It wasn't a clean break. And the hedge school tradition continued well into the 19th century in some areas. Luna: I'm thinking about how this relates to what we discussed about the Penal Laws themselves — the ones that prevented Catholics from owning land or practicing law. It's all part of the same system: take away every avenue of advancement, and then blame them for being backward. Lucas: That's the heart of it. And it's why the language survived at all — because it was the one thing they couldn't take away. You can close schools, burn books, ban poets. But people will still speak to their children in the language of their ancestors. And that's what happened. Lucas: When we look at the poetry from that period, it's full of defiance — even in defeat. There's a famous poem by an anonymous author that goes: 'A dhia, cad a dhéanfaidh sinn? / Tá an Gaeilge ag dul i léig' — 'O God, what will we do? / The Irish language is dying.' But the fact that they wrote that poem in Irish is itself an act of resistance. Luna: It's like they were documenting their own death. But they didn't die. The language is still here. Lucas: Barely, for a while. But yes. And it's important to remember that the Penal Laws were not just about religion — they were about erasing a culture. The language was the carrier of that culture. And it's a miracle that enough survived for the revival to have something to revive. Luna: And it's a reminder that these histories aren't just about battles and treaties. They're about the everyday things — what language you speak, what songs you sing, what stories you tell your kids. Lucas: Exactly. And that's part of why we do this show — to explore those deeper currents. I think that's also why we keep the show ad-free. It's about the content, not about selling something. So if you value that, and you want to support us, there's a link: buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo. No pressure, just a way to keep this independent. Luna: Yeah, it keeps the focus where it should be. And we're grateful to anyone who chips in. Lucas: So back to the language — one last thing. When the Gaelic League was founded in 1893, it drew on this hidden tradition. People like Douglas Hyde and Eoin MacNeill didn't invent something new; they revived something that had been kept alive in hedge schools and poetry gatherings. The Penal Laws tried to kill it, but they couldn't. Luna: And now Irish is an official language of the EU. That's quite a comeback. Lucas: It is. And it shows that even the most oppressive laws can't always stamp out a people's voice. Thanks for listening, everyone.