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TEACHER FACING ALLEGED STUDENT SEX ABUSE CLAIMS HUSBAND KNEW STUDENT WAS STALKER · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Well, I believe I've heard
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  Speaker 1: it all.
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  Speaker 2: A female teacher's bombshell claim about her own husband.
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  Speaker 1: This as she has been charged.
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  Speaker 2: With a sex attack on a teen boy student. Now
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  Speaker 2: she's dragging her husband into this. I'm Nancy Grace. This
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  Speaker 2: is crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: You heard me.
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  Speaker 2: A married Illinois school teacher accused of sex assaulting a
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  Speaker 2: teen boy she was tutoring, tells cops the boy was
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  Speaker 2: her quote stalker and that her husband knew all about
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  Speaker 2: the boys quote obsession. Well, her behavior and her text
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  Speaker 2: messages seem to tell a very different story.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, what do we know about the incident.
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  Speaker 2: Involving teacher Christina Formella, age thirty old?
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  Speaker 1: Inns to know better?
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  Speaker 3: Christina Formela is a Concordia University grad and former soccer
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  Speaker 3: team star. Now she's a special ed teacher and soccer
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  Speaker 3: coach at Downers Grove High School in Illinois. Good Bye
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  Speaker 3: for Mela's world comes crashing down when a dark secret
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  Speaker 3: is revealed at a routine traffic stop.
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  Speaker 1: A dark secret.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know that I would call alleged sex abuse
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  Speaker 2: on a child a miner that is your student I
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  Speaker 2: don't know that I would call that a secret.
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  Speaker 1: I think more appropriately, I would call it a felony.
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  Speaker 2: But caught on tape the married special ed teacher, for
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  Speaker 2: peace sake, they were practically still on their honeymoon.
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  Speaker 1: They'd only been married less than.
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  Speaker 2: A year, I believe caught on bodycam threatening to throw up. Well,
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  Speaker 2: after I learned about this case, in investigated it myself.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to throw up too. But let's take
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  Speaker 2: a look. A lot of people have claimed she is
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  Speaker 2: so called glamor a special ad teacher.
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  Speaker 1: She's not glamorous.
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  Speaker 2: To me, I have prosecuted so many child rape and
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  Speaker 2: child sex abuse cases. She looks like she's uh, straight
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  Speaker 2: from hell to me on police body cam?
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  Speaker 4: How you doing?
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  Speaker 5: Also goes on with Donar's girl.
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  Speaker 6: Does you have your license on you?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah? I'm explaining.
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  Speaker 5: I'm sure you're confews explaining to th door your Christina, okay,
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  Speaker 5: Christange to my favorite. You step on the car for me.
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  Speaker 5: I know your confews. I explain everything to you. You
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  Speaker 5: don't have anything on you. You can grab whatever you need.
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  Speaker 1: Whatever I need.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, whatever you need to get your phone, your your
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  Speaker 5: first year go and grab it.
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  Speaker 7: Is she going somewhere.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, we're gonna explain everything to you.
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  Speaker 1: Guys, go and grab out.
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  Speaker 8: We're not going anywhere right now.
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  Speaker 5: Of course, of course.
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  Speaker 7: I understand what's going on here.
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  Speaker 5: I get Yeah, you can go to grab your thanks.
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  Speaker 1: Can you come with me?
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  Speaker 3: Yes?
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  Speaker 4: Yes?
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  Speaker 1: You stay there for right now?
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  Speaker 5: Is here to stay there for?
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  Speaker 4: Yes?
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  Speaker 9: You can?
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  Speaker 2: Uh uh straight out to Brian Fitzgibbons, joining us Director Operations,
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  Speaker 2: USPA Nationwide Security, leading a team of investigators every single day.
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  Speaker 1: Why are they being so solicitous to her?
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  Speaker 2: She is charged with molesting a minor, a teen boy,
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  Speaker 2: and I believe still lying about it, claiming it only
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  Speaker 2: happened once. Uh okay, But that said Fitzgibbons, what happened
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  Speaker 2: to licensed registration?
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  Speaker 1: Why are they.
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  Speaker 2: Saying, I'm sure you're confused. I'll explain everything. You're Christina?
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  Speaker 2: What are they on a first night basis?
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  Speaker 6: So here's the deal, Nancy. I believe that that police
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  Speaker 6: officer actually did a very excellent job with this contact
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  Speaker 6: with Christina.
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  Speaker 1: Formela Number one.
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  Speaker 6: He secured that cell phone, which is going to be
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  Speaker 6: a key piece of evidence in this case, and he
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  Speaker 6: got that without without a fight from her. So he
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  Speaker 6: ds related the situation and secured the cell phone, which
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  Speaker 6: is going to be the number one appropriate piece of
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  Speaker 6: evidence here.
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  Speaker 2: Mis Gibbons, I actually agree with you. I agree with you. However,
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  Speaker 2: I believe they're being overly solicitous to what police say.
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  Speaker 2: What prosecutors say is a child molester. Mis Gibbons. You're
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  Speaker 2: not bending over backwards for Mela Christina from Mela because
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  Speaker 2: she's attractive.
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  Speaker 1: Are you? You know it has been argued in.
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  Speaker 2: The past by other teachers now convicted of child abuse
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  Speaker 2: that they were too pretty for jail.
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  Speaker 1: You're not on that boat, are you? Certainly not? Nancy.
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  Speaker 6: What I saw there was the officer doing everything to
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  Speaker 6: make sure he preserved that key piece of evidence. I
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  Speaker 6: think he knew exactly what he was doing here.
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  Speaker 2: And you're right, Christina for Mela, special ed teacher now
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  Speaker 2: charged with child sex abuse with a student, a teen
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  Speaker 2: boy just married. By the way, Oh here she threatens
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  Speaker 2: to throw up.
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  Speaker 7: Less sir, you have a ship down there. Sure you
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  Speaker 7: don't want to tissue or something? All right?
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  Speaker 4: Shot?
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  Speaker 7: You grab like a bag on there?
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  Speaker 10: Can you get like a bag? Say she gets nauseous?
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  Speaker 9: Yeah?
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  Speaker 7: I don't know. Do we have any of those emisids?
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  Speaker 7: Bags like going around the spot. I think she was
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  Speaker 7: something better than.
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  Speaker 4: Here.
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  Speaker 7: You stay with their ad.
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  Speaker 2: I think I'm I'm going to hyperventilate right now watching
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  Speaker 2: her hold on just a moment to Scott Iiker joining me.
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  Speaker 2: He's joining us later regarding a cell phone analysis, but
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  Speaker 2: he was the founding member, a founding member of the
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  Speaker 2: FBI Cellular Analysis Survey Team. But for this question former
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  Speaker 2: police officer, home side detective with Norfolk, Virginia Police Department
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  Speaker 2: twelve years Scott I thought there were being again overly
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  Speaker 2: solicitous to who are.
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  Speaker 1: Going you need a tissue? Do you need a vomit bag?
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  Speaker 2: But I assume you've been in the back of a
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  Speaker 2: cruiser before, Scott Iiker, Well, I've.
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  Speaker 11: Been in the back of a cruiser, but not in
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  Speaker 11: her position. You can see what's starting to come over her.
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  Speaker 11: She started to realize what she's done and she's been caught,
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  Speaker 11: and that would make me nauseous too. If I was
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  Speaker 11: in her position and I can see.
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  Speaker 2: Like her, will put you mean she's not sorry she
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  Speaker 2: did it, she just doesn't want to go to Hillfort.
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  Speaker 2: I was getting to the vomit bag. They have to
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  Speaker 2: work in that cruiser. I have been there when patrol
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  Speaker 2: men and patrol women have to literally hose out the
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  Speaker 2: back seat of a cruiser. There's drugs, there's vomit, there's urine,
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  Speaker 2: there's feces, there's spit where they try to spit at
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  Speaker 2: the officers. The back seat is like has matt to
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  Speaker 2: the max. So that's why I believe they're offering her
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  Speaker 2: a vomit bag.
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  Speaker 1: You know, like the kind you get on a plane.
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  Speaker 11: Oh, I definitely agree. And I've had to clean out
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  Speaker 11: my cruiser numerous times for those same reasons you talked about.
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  Speaker 11: And that smell never goes away, I swear at the
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  Speaker 11: back of the cruisers.
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  Speaker 2: No, this never ever goes away. Cops drive with the
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  Speaker 2: windows down. It doesn't help joining me an all star
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  Speaker 2: panel to make sense of what we're learning right now.
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  Speaker 2: But I want to see that body cam one more time.
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  Speaker 1: Now. You see her threatening.
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  Speaker 2: To throw up, you see her seemingly hyperventilating, crying.
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  Speaker 1: Let's listen to it one more time.
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  Speaker 7: Unless sir, you have a ship down there. Sure you
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  Speaker 7: don't want to tissue or something, all right? Shot, you
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  Speaker 7: grab like a bag out.
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  Speaker 12: Of there, very can you get like a bag just
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  Speaker 12: in case she gets nauseous.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, I don't know, do we have any of those
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  Speaker 11: amisodes bags like going around the Fox.
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  Speaker 7: I think she was something better than.
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  Speaker 4: Here. You stay with.
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  Speaker 1: Eric fattis really.
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  Speaker 10: Well, Nancy. Looking at her reaction there, one could argue
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  Speaker 10: it is consistent with someone who was just caught for
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  Speaker 10: something they did. On the other hand, when you look
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  Speaker 10: at it, she's confused, she's hyperventilating, she's crying, she's saying,
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  Speaker 10: she's nauseous. All of those things could also be consistent
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  Speaker 10: with someone who has been accused of something horrendous and
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  Speaker 10: who didn't do it. So I'm not sure we could
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  Speaker 10: really draw any firm conclusions from that video.
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  Speaker 2: Fadess, she hasn't been told yet of what she is accused,
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  Speaker 2: so that argument just went right down technical legal phrase
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  Speaker 2: the crapper. Okay, so she's not hyperventiligning because they just
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  Speaker 2: told her what she's accused of. She hasn't been told yet,
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  Speaker 2: so take another swing at the ball.
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  Speaker 10: Even if she wasn't apprized of the exact nature of
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  Speaker 10: the allegations, being in the back of a cop car
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  Speaker 10: is distressing, surely, and even more so if a person
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  Speaker 10: did not do anything criminal and they're you know, sort
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  Speaker 10: of be fuddled about what in the world is happening
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  Speaker 10: to me. You know, I'm not taking a personal position
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  Speaker 10: on the facts, but I'm just saying that reaction has
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  Speaker 10: multiple interpretations.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, even if she had I'd been at that juncture
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  Speaker 2: told why she was arrested, you still are standing by
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  Speaker 2: your story.
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  Speaker 10: I'm just saying, in terms of a human reaction to
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  Speaker 10: a very distressing situation that could be interpreted multiple ways,
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  Speaker 10: and those expressions that we're seeing, those outward behaviors are
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  Speaker 10: consistent with someone who has been caught for doing something horrible,
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  Speaker 10: and they're also consistent with someone who is being accused
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  Speaker 10: of something she didn't do. And so I just think
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  Speaker 10: at this juncture there's just inclutions it can be drawn.
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  Speaker 2: Erry Fatus question if you had been accused of child molestation,
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  Speaker 2: because I'm not quite sure in this series of body
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  Speaker 2: cam reactions where she knows she's been accused of where
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  Speaker 2: she doesn't, if you've been accused of child molestation, you
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't say I've never done that in my life, that
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  Speaker 2: did not happen.
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  Speaker 1: I want a lawyer. You wouldn't say that.
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  Speaker 10: Me personally, as a seasoned attorney. I absolutely would say that,
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  Speaker 10: but year old special education teacher and soccer coach, perhaps
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  Speaker 10: that is just not front of mind to her.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Gone, she's a twelve year old little girl in the
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  Speaker 2: fifth grade. It's never saying law in order. You're saying, oh,
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  Speaker 2: she's just thirty years old special ed teacher.
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  Speaker 1: To be a special ed teacher, you have to go
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  Speaker 1: to four years of school, four years.
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  Speaker 2: Of college, plus all sorts of certifications. This is an
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  Speaker 2: educated person that's been out in.
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  Speaker 1: The workforce for years.
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  Speaker 2: But you're telling me she's so naive she doesn't know
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  Speaker 2: to say I didn't do that.
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  Speaker 1: I want a lawyer.
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  Speaker 10: The thing is, Nancy, that there's no playbook for how
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  Speaker 10: to respond when a person is accused of something horrible.
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  Speaker 10: Some people might react one way, whereas others might react
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  Speaker 10: a different way. And I'm just, you know, in looking
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  Speaker 10: at this without some sort of psychological evaluation, it's just
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  Speaker 10: hard to say exactly where that reaction is coming from.
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  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: The Page County Prosecutors state that during Christina Framela's police interview,
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  Speaker 2: she tried her best to portray the boy victim as
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  Speaker 2: being obsessed with her because she's quote good looking.
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  Speaker 1: Her words, not mine. She doesn't look good to me.
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  Speaker 1: She looks like a defendant.
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  Speaker 2: She also claimed her husband was very aware of the situation.
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  Speaker 1: Throughout her police interview, she tries.
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  Speaker 2: And tries to paint the boy as the stalker and
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  Speaker 2: that the husband was well aware of it. Now, the husband,
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  Speaker 2: Michael Formela, tells investigators.
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  Speaker 1: It was the first time he had heard anything.
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  Speaker 2: About the boy, that he knows nothing about the alleged
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  Speaker 2: victim besides the fact that he's a soccer player.
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  Speaker 11: Row.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, who is this woman? Chris Formela listen.
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  Speaker 4: Christina Formela is a special education teacher and soccer coach
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  Speaker 4: at Downers Grove South High School, a proud Mustang since
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  Speaker 4: twenty twenty for Mela graduated from Concordia University three years
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  Speaker 4: earlier as an accomplished student athlete, playing as a starter
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  Speaker 4: in forty nine soccer matches during her college career. That's
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  Speaker 4: where Christina meets her now husband, also a student athlete,
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  Speaker 4: a pitcher on the baseball team for Christina's senior year.
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  Speaker 4: They share the number twenty two. The happy couple ties
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  Speaker 4: the knot in a gorgeous summer ceremony August of twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 2: Four, straight out to Crime Stories, investigative reporter Sydney Sumner. Sidney,
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  Speaker 2: tell me how the whole thing unfolded? What is she
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  Speaker 2: charged with? How did the whole thing start? Is it true?
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  Speaker 2: According to police, these are all just Allegationia. She has
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  Speaker 2: not been proven guilty. She's still presumed innocent under the law.
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  Speaker 2: According to police, she began flirting with a teen boy,
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  Speaker 2: one of her students, and that continued on a school app.
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  Speaker 1: That's correct.
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  Speaker 4: Nancy So, a mother of a Downers Grove student, went
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  Speaker 4: to police. When she was setting up his new iPhone,
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  Speaker 4: she discovered these messages that weren't saved on his old
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  Speaker 4: phone but to his iCloud account, and she discovered these
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  Speaker 4: messages seemingly discussing a sexual encounter with his teacher, Christina Formla.
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  Speaker 4: So the boy is rushed down to the police station.
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  Speaker 4: He tells officers that this started out as some innocent flirting.
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  Speaker 4: I say the word innocent, but that's obviously not innocent
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  Speaker 4: in this situation, but some flirting over the school messaging app.
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  Speaker 4: So the school has their own specific messaging system and
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  Speaker 4: that's where they started communicating. Once Christina Formla became this
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  Speaker 4: boy's tutor in addition to being his soccer coach on
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  Speaker 4: the field. So these messages then progressed to having her
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  Speaker 4: phone number because she wanted to play an I message
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  Speaker 4: game with him. So she gives out her phone number.
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  Speaker 2: Sydney, Sidney, Wait a minute, So the teacher wants to play.
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  Speaker 4: What you know, those games in your I messages, So
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  Speaker 4: on an iPhone you can start a text conversation and play.
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  Speaker 1: Poolball or something. So that's what she suggested to.
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  Speaker 4: This teen boy and gave him her phone number. So
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  Speaker 4: now they're texting and also facetiming. There's records of numerous
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  Speaker 4: FaceTime calls in between this teen and the teacher, and
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  Speaker 4: he said that culminated in a rape in December of
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  Speaker 4: twenty twenty three during what should have been a before
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  Speaker 4: school tutoring session. So they're in her classroom, she shuts
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  Speaker 4: the door and there is a sexual encounter.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Sydney, I don't like what you just said.
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  Speaker 2: Some you remind me of so many defendants that would
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  Speaker 2: say we would. I had one judge who was the
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  Speaker 2: greatest judge ever, oldest judge in the courthouse, and therefore
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  Speaker 2: he wanted to maintain.
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  Speaker 1: His court calendar.
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  Speaker 2: He wanted to be on trial every other week to
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  Speaker 2: prove he was fit. And he was fit, all right, doctor,
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  Speaker 2: I mean Judge Luther Alverson. But we would have plea
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  Speaker 2: negotiations with me, my investigator, Ernest, the defendant and his
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  Speaker 2: defense lawyer to see if the case could be worked out. FYI,
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  Speaker 2: it easily went to trial. That said, the lawyer and
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  Speaker 2: the defendant would always act like Ms.
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  Speaker 1: Grace, I caught a little burglary charge, like somebody threw it.
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  Speaker 1: They just caught it.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, you just said she shuts the door and a
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  Speaker 2: child molesstation happened. Didn't you leave something out, Sidney Sumner?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, Nancy, we're calling that a rape. That's exactly what
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  Speaker 4: it is. It's a statutory rape. At least, it.
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  Speaker 13: Is a sexual assault. This woman, this adult should never
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  Speaker 13: have come on to this child in any way, shape
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  Speaker 13: or form, especially a teacher. This is a professional relationship.
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  Speaker 13: This should be a trusted relationship. And the school said
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  Speaker 13: it perfectly. It's broken trust over here.
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  Speaker 5: So we do have an investigation going on.
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  Speaker 1: We have to talk to you about it at the
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  Speaker 1: police department.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, So it works everything to do there it's not
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  Speaker 5: my investigation. I don't know the full details. Would you
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  Speaker 5: have to bring you there though? Okay, so I just
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  Speaker 5: put your handcuffs and bring it to the police department,
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  Speaker 5: just a don't trust Yes unfortunately, Yes, I'm willing to
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  Speaker 5: go with it.
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  Speaker 1: I did it.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, Unfortunately, we have to do it that way. To
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  Speaker 5: do you a favor, we just take this.
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  Speaker 2: Off, joining me an all star panel to make sense
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  Speaker 2: of what we are learning tonight.
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  Speaker 1: A According to some people, gorgeous.
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  Speaker 2: Thirty year old special ed teacher and soccer coach busted
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  Speaker 2: on alleged under age six translation rape. If you are underage,
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  Speaker 2: you cannot give consent. Also a student, a teen boy student.
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  Speaker 2: Is it true Sidney Sumner that she also kept a
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  Speaker 2: memoir of sorts a memoir detailing the sex sex with
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  Speaker 2: a teen boys student Nancy?
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  Speaker 4: That is correct, though there are reports of this notes
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  Speaker 4: at material so these are several writings in her notes
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  Speaker 4: app One section titled manifestations is saying things out loud
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  Speaker 4: in the hopes that the more you say them, the
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  Speaker 4: more they will happen. And several writings in this section
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  Speaker 4: reference to the victim.
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  Speaker 1: By name, What did you just say?
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  Speaker 2: The more you say something, the more likely it's going
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  Speaker 2: to happen.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, Nancy, this is a mantra.
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  Speaker 4: It's called manifestation that many young people participate in nowadays.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I've heard of manifestation. I didn't think anyone actually
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  Speaker 2: thought it worked, but okay, so I want you to
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  Speaker 2: hear what we've learned about her memoir that you kept
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  Speaker 2: in the notes section on her iPhone. I hate to
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  Speaker 2: give a tutorial to all the future felas out there,
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  Speaker 2: but when you basically make it to do list and
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  Speaker 2: recount all of your felonious activities on your iPhone, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you're gonna get busted.
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  Speaker 1: But you've got to hear this. Listen.
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  Speaker 12: I'm not sad. I'm being mad that I led a
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  Speaker 12: sixteen year old with me like that, and Nata promised
• 19:35
  Speaker 12: to myself that I will never let any guide with
• 19:37
  Speaker 12: me like that again. Ever, in the end, we both lost.
• 19:41
  Speaker 12: You lost the girl who would have stuck with you
• 19:43
  Speaker 12: through thick and thin, who would have changed anything about
• 19:46
  Speaker 12: herself to make you happy. And I lost the person
• 19:48
  Speaker 12: I was before I met you.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: What is she talking about? Wait a minute, who WOA?
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: I definitely need a shrink, But first two Anna Sonoda
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: joining US child sex abuse grooming expert, clinical social worker,
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: therapist and author of Duck Duck Groom.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: Do you hear her? This is the.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: Woman, the grown married woman claiming quote, I'm not sad,
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: I am effing mad.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: I led a.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: Sixteen year old confession f with me like that, and
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: I made a promise to myself I will never let
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: any guy f with me like that again. Ever did
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: she put a bunch of exclamations with hearts at the bottom,
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: In the end, we both lost.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: What you lost the girl who would have stuck with
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: you through thick and thin, who would have changed anything
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: about herself to make you happy. What get a divorce
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: and go back in time to well she was a
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: minor two and I lost the person I was before
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: I met you.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: What is she talking about, Anna Sinoda?
• 20:52
  Speaker 9: This is no girl. This is a full grown, thirty
• 20:56
  Speaker 9: year old woman who abused her position of power. She
• 21:00
  Speaker 9: groomed this young victim. And something I want to highlight
• 21:05
  Speaker 9: here is that predators run on gas. What does that mean?
• 21:08
  Speaker 9: That means do you need to have grooming access and space?
• 21:12
  Speaker 9: So she groomed this boy using flattery, kindness, and highlighting
• 21:18
  Speaker 9: him as her selected target, and she gained access in
• 21:23
  Speaker 9: her role as a tutor, as a coach, as a teacher.
• 21:26
  Speaker 9: And then what available space did she have? She had
• 21:28
  Speaker 9: an empty classroom before school started, She had isolated time
• 21:33
  Speaker 9: with this young victim. My question would be how many
• 21:36
  Speaker 9: others are there?
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: She's acting a lot, She's got a future with this
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: little boy. Okay, where does her husband fit into this scenario?
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: Much less than police, But I want you to hear
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: more of what we have learned in her own memoirs
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: on her own cell phone.
• 21:52
  Speaker 12: Listen is going to reach out to me soon and
• 21:54
  Speaker 12: try to fix things between us. In the meantime, I'm
• 21:57
  Speaker 12: going to live my best life knowing he's not the
• 21:59
  Speaker 12: person I thought he was, and that he is beneath
• 22:02
  Speaker 12: me and I will connect again soon in a positive way.
• 22:06
  Speaker 12: We will both get the closure we need in order
• 22:08
  Speaker 12: to move on in a healthy way. We will be
• 22:10
  Speaker 12: able to be a part of each other's lives forever.
• 22:13
  Speaker 12: We will be in each other's lives forever. We will
• 22:16
  Speaker 12: be able to love each other while also living our
• 22:18
  Speaker 12: own lives.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: What a wackadoodle. We will be in each other's lives forever.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: In caps.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: We will be in each other's lives forever. Yes, you
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: will when he and his mommy show up to keep
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: you out from getting parole. In the last days, a
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: school teacher's bombshell climb that her husband was well aware
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: of a teen boy's.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Quote obsession with her.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: Well prosecutors seem to disagree because they have charged her
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: with a sex attack on a minor.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: He is a little boy. What is she saying?
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: Yes, Nancy, So these are her manifestations. A thirty year
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: old teacher is man.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Wishes about a teen student. So not her.
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: Husband, not wanting to further her career, not wanting to
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: become a better teacher, or a better coach, or a
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: better wife, but she wants this teenage boy to reconcile
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: with her. That's what's going through her mind every night.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: As I mentioned earlier, we all need to shrink right
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: about now. Joining us Doctor Sherry Schwartz forensic psychologists specializing
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: in this line of work at panthermitigation dot com and
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: she is an author as well, Criminal Behavior and my
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: favorite where law and psychology intersect.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Doctor Sherry Schwartz, thank you for being with us. What
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: is she talking about?
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: Do you hear this, we will in all caps, be
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: in each other's lives forever. We will be able to
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: love each other while living our own lives. We need
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: to move forward in a help the way that ship
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: has sailed.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: Doctor Sherry correct, and.
• 24:06
  Speaker 14: What I see, what I'm hearing is something that's very dark.
• 24:10
  Speaker 14: Sexual predators need to keep their victims close, particularly when
• 24:14
  Speaker 14: their victims are minor children.
• 24:16
  Speaker 7: This is her.
• 24:17
  Speaker 14: Manifestation is I don't want to get caught, so I
• 24:21
  Speaker 14: need to keep him close. I need him to believe
• 24:24
  Speaker 14: that we're in love and we're this unique couple and
• 24:27
  Speaker 14: we're going to go forward together forever.
• 24:56
  Speaker 15: In addition to the text messages, police also find several
• 24:59
  Speaker 15: right for Mela's notes app discussing her relationship with the victim,
• 25:03
  Speaker 15: naming him directly. For Mela pens what looks like a
• 25:06
  Speaker 15: breakup letter, calling the victim disgusting for cheating on her.
• 25:10
  Speaker 15: For Mela claims the victim manipulated her into maintaining their
• 25:14
  Speaker 15: relationship despite her attempts to break it off. For Mela
• 25:17
  Speaker 15: says she now realizes the victim was only interested in
• 25:20
  Speaker 15: her for sex, and notes that she is angry that
• 25:22
  Speaker 15: she allowed a sixteen year old to mess with her head.
• 25:25
  Speaker 7: Am I in trouble?
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: Like I'm I'm sol Loust right now, I'm love you
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: you are like I said.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: Like she talked about all these ninon apps.
• 25:34
  Speaker 8: Right now, you're being to fat or an investigation you
• 25:37
  Speaker 8: never bring you in the FIFTI and once you.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: Get this, they're going to tell you in an our.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: Am I in trouble? Yeah? You are.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: Now One of the most damning pieces of evidence the
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: state has is her Christina Fromela, thirty year old married
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: special ed teacher that starts quote floorty messages.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: That's not how I would put it. I would call an.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: Ticon a minor, but that said flirty messages over the
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: school app. I see my children on the school app
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: all the time.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: I have personally met every one of their teachers since
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: they were in pre pre pre k.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: You think this mom had any idea what was happening,
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: hgl No.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: But you hear from Mella talking as if she has.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: Somehow been quote done wrong. As a matter of fact,
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: her memoir that she wrote on her notes app in
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: her phone. You'd have to hear this.
• 26:39
  Speaker 12: Listen and once again from David one called your next
• 26:42
  Speaker 12: girlfriend You're so predictable and disgusting. Shocker. You cheated on
• 26:47
  Speaker 12: me with her. All I was to you was somebody
• 26:49
  Speaker 12: to I'm not upset, I'm not mad, I'm not any
• 26:53
  Speaker 12: of that. I've just lost interest. I went back and
• 26:56
  Speaker 12: screenshotted every single time that I said we should break
• 26:59
  Speaker 12: up until after the wedding and after you graduated, and
• 27:02
  Speaker 12: every single time you came back and convinced me it
• 27:05
  Speaker 12: would be fine. I initiated every single breakup, only for
• 27:09
  Speaker 12: you to end things saying you couldn't get over it.
• 27:11
  Speaker 12: You ruined us us.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: You ruined us like they have a future, like they're
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: going to get married.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Sidney Summer explained to me what she wrote.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: Did she actually say she wanted to quote break up
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: with the little boy after the wedding?
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Yes, she did, Nancy.
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: She explained that in very good detail for prosecutors in
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: the future as this case goes to trial. She specifically
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: mentioned both this teen boy's graduation and her own wedding,
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: once again establishing that timeline that the rape occurred in
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: December of twenty twenty three, almost a year before her wedding,
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: So she references this victim by name multiple times and
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: in his breakup. In this breakup letter what this reads
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: as with the teen boy? She also references his new
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: girlfriend's name, so lots of contexts to establish that this
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: note is about the victim.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: Straight out to veteran trial lawyer, defense attorney Eric Fattis,
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: you mentioned earlier correctly that the defendant, the special ed
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: teacher Christina FROMMELA, claims the boy, the little boy, grabbed.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Her phone, put in her code, and.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: Sent himself flirty and sexulated messages that he, a little boy,
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: had the wherewithal to think that he would frame her
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: for future black mail. Now she's already put that out there,
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: so you, the defense attorney, are stuck with it. You
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: can't just erase that that's out there, so you can't
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: now look for another defense.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: You're stuck with her words.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: Pretend that that's true, that the boy thought, Hey, a
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: year from now, I'm going to.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: Try to blackmail her and frame her.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: So I'm going to send her text from her to
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: me that I can then say, all right, that's a
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: flight of fancy.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: But Eric Fattis, what about her memoir?
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: What about the notes on her iPhone where she talks
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: about how angry she is?
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: He got a new quote girlfriend and their future.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: You know, she claims they only had sex aka raped
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: him one time, but this shows they have been an
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: item for a long time since.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: Before her wedding.
• 29:41
  Speaker 10: Nancy, the multiplicity of messages here, if authentic, is surely problematic.
• 29:46
  Speaker 10: You know, the defense is going to say that at
• 29:49
  Speaker 10: this day and age, sixteen year olds are pretty technologically savvy.
• 29:52
  Speaker 10: Some of them are more sophisticated than others. And then
• 29:55
  Speaker 10: on the other hand, sometimes they do irrational, erratic, weird things,
• 29:58
  Speaker 10: and perhaps all of that culminated in this alleged act
• 30:02
  Speaker 10: where he tried to text him from her phone to
• 30:05
  Speaker 10: sort of blackmailer. That's what the defense is going to argue.
• 30:08
  Speaker 10: When it comes to the memoir I think the defense
• 30:10
  Speaker 10: is going to say that there's some murmurs about, at
• 30:13
  Speaker 10: least according to Formela, that that references to sexual activity
• 30:17
  Speaker 10: in the memoirs actually relate to the husband and not
• 30:21
  Speaker 10: to the time.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: So what.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: Did you just say that everything is about the teen
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: boy except accept what she's talking about sex and then
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: that's about the husband in the same paragraph.
• 30:37
  Speaker 10: That is what the defense has reported. That is what
• 30:40
  Speaker 10: I've read and reports in terms of what is being
• 30:43
  Speaker 10: referenced in these memoirs. The allegation is that this was
• 30:48
  Speaker 10: kind of an outlet for her anxiety. Is how she
• 30:50
  Speaker 10: put it, I believe, And you know, sometimes people write
• 30:53
  Speaker 10: stuff down and sometimes there's overlap and ideas we get conflated,
• 30:58
  Speaker 10: and perhaps that is the direction her defensible doe to
• 31:01
  Speaker 10: try to explain what's in this memoir as it compares
• 31:04
  Speaker 10: to the text messages on the iCloud server.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: According to charging documents, a married Illinois school teacher sex assaulted.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: A teen boy she was tutoring, but now.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: Tries to change the narrative, claiming the boy was her
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: stalker and.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: That her husband knew all about it.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: Well, that's not what the husband says, and that's not
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: what prosecutors say, Brian. Can we believe anything? Christina Formella says.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: You have the text messages back and forth between her
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: and the child victim, you have her memoir, and then
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: you have her and the ability she possesses to put
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: on an Oscar worthy performance.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: Can I ask you?
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: Of course, Yeah, it's not like I said that.
• 32:03
  Speaker 8: My investigation obviously for here for a reason, So go
• 32:06
  Speaker 8: and turn her off for me, so right now being detained,
• 32:16
  Speaker 8: and there is a time that needs to talk to
• 32:17
  Speaker 8: you at the police department.
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: So we'll let your husband know he can just come
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: to the police armer as well if he wants to
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: wait for you there.
• 32:30
  Speaker 9: I'm like, I get it.
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: You had a lot of questions. Scared, Yeah, everything's okay.
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: We just need to talk to you at the poetry
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: that's all.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: I am like, so scared.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: That's nothing that can hold a candle to what this
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: boy's mother felt when she saw those messages saved in
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: the iCloud Brian, certainly.
• 32:50
  Speaker 6: And you said it well, Nancy, that the defense has
• 32:53
  Speaker 6: already put out this conspiracy theory that the teen boy
• 32:58
  Speaker 6: was texting himself from her phone, and they're going to
• 33:00
  Speaker 6: have to produce evidence that supports that, all right, data
• 33:05
  Speaker 6: from the boy's cell phone data, other data from her phone,
• 33:09
  Speaker 6: from other minor witnesses that would have seen or heard
• 33:14
  Speaker 6: about this conspiracy. So I don't think we can believe
• 33:17
  Speaker 6: much of what she's saying right here.
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: Once you're the police department, you'll talk to detective and
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: hostline difference.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you can't even give me like an I
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: at the.
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: Moment, that's an investigation that I can't really tell you
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: right now.
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry.
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: I wish I could tell you more.
• 33:32
  Speaker 7: Excuse me?
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: Is my husband coming with Yes, he's taking.
• 33:35
  Speaker 10: Phone over down more day time for him.
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: We're just going down and grow the ten minutes away.
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: No, I know, but I really would prefer that my
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: husband's with me.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: Of course, may I want to rethink that about how
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: your husband learns his wife is charged with sex abusing
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: a boys student.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: Back to did sheery issues?
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: I want you to hear one more excerpt from Christina
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: Frommela the Special Ed Teachers Memoirs. She wrote in her
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: own iPhone Listen.
• 34:11
  Speaker 12: I warned you we should have never started dating a long, long,
• 34:14
  Speaker 12: long time ago, and you gas lit me and convinced
• 34:17
  Speaker 12: me it was fine every single time because that's who
• 34:19
  Speaker 12: you are. We will never ever be together again. I'm
• 34:23
  Speaker 12: not a second choice. I'm the best thing you'll ever have.
• 34:26
  Speaker 12: Even with all my mistakes, you once again waited and
• 34:28
  Speaker 12: strung me along until it was convenient for you. It
• 34:31
  Speaker 12: broke me last time. This time it changed me.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: You know, Aniston Noda.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you have encountered other child molesters
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: that believe they have a relationship with the child.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: But that's what this sounds like.
• 34:44
  Speaker 9: I'm having to hold my tongue over here, Nancy. She
• 34:47
  Speaker 9: is working so hard to justify her own actions, which
• 34:51
  Speaker 9: is classic predator behavior dating. She has the audacity to
• 34:55
  Speaker 9: use the word dating. There is no way this is
• 34:58
  Speaker 9: anywhere near dating. This is grooming. This looks like flattery,
• 35:02
  Speaker 9: favoritism forbidden fruits.
• 35:04
  Speaker 10: You entice a.
• 35:04
  Speaker 9: Young boy with the possibility of sexual contact, that doesn't
• 35:09
  Speaker 9: mean that he was the mastermind behind her plan. I
• 35:12
  Speaker 9: am just shocked, But I do want to pinpoint some
• 35:15
  Speaker 9: exceptionally positive things about this case. The mom in this
• 35:20
  Speaker 9: case needs a gold medal. She checked the self on information,
• 35:24
  Speaker 9: she followed up. She then reported it to police, and
• 35:28
  Speaker 9: the police investigated and it led to an arrest. That
• 35:31
  Speaker 9: is a best case scenario. Unfortunately, that's a rarity in
• 35:35
  Speaker 9: these sorts of cases. But those individuals deserve recognition for
• 35:40
  Speaker 9: acting on that child's best behalf.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: You know, this is bringing to mind another case Mary
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: Kay Laturno, who continued to milest Veali Flau. I believe
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: at that time he was about twelve years old. Years
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: past and when she got out of jail.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: They actually got married and had a family.
• 36:00
  Speaker 11: Listen for anybody first time figure out what love is
• 36:04
  Speaker 11: for the first time, you know, that's all you know.
• 36:07
  Speaker 13: So for what I know that it was back then, Yeah,
• 36:09
  Speaker 13: I would say that.
• 36:11
  Speaker 9: That was real love.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: That of our friends at New seven Again.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: Villi Flau was twelve years old when she began raping him.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: They went on to have a family together.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: In this case, it sounds as if for Mela believes the.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: Two have a future together.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: Let me go to Scott Iiker joining as founding member
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: FBI Cellular Analysis Survey Team, former police officer, homicide detective
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: as well. I want to talk to you about the
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: defense and we heard fattest trying to explain it amazingly
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: with a straight face. Scott Iiker, howe or can we
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: prove that the boy did not send the messages from
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: her phone to himself to frame her or to use
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: his blackmail at some unknown future day?
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: Is that possible?
• 37:07
  Speaker 11: It is. There's several different ways you can validate this
• 37:10
  Speaker 11: information or disprove what the defendant is saying. We've got
• 37:14
  Speaker 11: the records from the phone company, We've got the extraction
• 37:17
  Speaker 11: information from the phone, We've got the school app that
• 37:19
  Speaker 11: you're talking about. We also can look at in the
• 37:23
  Speaker 11: specific part which you mentioned, which is did he send
• 37:26
  Speaker 11: messages from her phone? We can look at where their
• 37:29
  Speaker 11: two phones were at the time. Was his phone in
• 37:32
  Speaker 11: the same location as hers? That might indicate that he
• 37:35
  Speaker 11: sent those text messages from her phone. But if he's
• 37:38
  Speaker 11: somewhere else, there's no way he could have sent those messages.
• 37:42
  Speaker 11: So a lot of different ways we can look at
• 37:44
  Speaker 11: this and tear that defensive part. And it's not really
• 37:49
  Speaker 11: easy to break into someone's phone then go through their
• 37:52
  Speaker 11: app and then copy that and then send it to
• 37:55
  Speaker 11: someone else.
• 37:56
  Speaker 7: I'm sure you don't want to issue or something.
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: All right?
• 38:05
  Speaker 16: Set there, we are learning that the special ed teacher
• 38:14
  Speaker 16: turned child molestation defendant is claiming she's too quote.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: Good looking for jail and that she has been targeted
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: because she's so pretty.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: Not the first time I've heard that argument. So why
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: do you think you've got all the attention? I don't know,
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: I'll say it. Do you think it's because you're pretty?
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: I think so. In sex sells.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's our friends at NBC, and you were hearing
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: Deborah Lefay, convicted from a listing a student, claim she
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: was targeted because she is quote so pretty okay Sidney Sumner.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: Is that claim being made in the current case by
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: Christina Fromella, Yes.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: It is so.
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  Speaker 4: Her whole defense to this is again relying on that
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  Speaker 4: blackmail idea that this teenage boy broke into her phone
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  Speaker 4: sent these text messages to himself to make it look
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  Speaker 4: like there was a conversation between the two of them,
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  Speaker 4: and she says that that happened because she cared about
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  Speaker 4: him too much and she is good looking, so she
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  Speaker 4: claims she is.
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  Speaker 1: A good person who just maybe got.
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  Speaker 4: A little bit too close to a student, but she
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  Speaker 4: did not rape him, and she is.
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  Speaker 1: Only being targeted because she is so pretty Sidney.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: She is also claiming that the quote sex translation rape
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  Speaker 2: only occurred one time, but according to the text messages
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  Speaker 2: and her own notes in her note area of her
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  Speaker 2: iPhone show that a relationship lasted for a really long
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  Speaker 2: time and she wanted it to go on, except the
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: little boy got a girl friend his own age.
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: So Nancy the defendant for Mella, she is claiming that
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  Speaker 4: they did not have sex in any way, shape or form.
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  Speaker 4: She is claiming that that text message exchange was not
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  Speaker 4: discussing something that.
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  Speaker 1: Happened, but was blackmail to try and roper into having
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  Speaker 1: sex with him in the future.
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  Speaker 4: The victim told police that the encounter in December of
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  Speaker 4: twenty twenty three, that rape is the only encounter between them.
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  Speaker 4: So that's what the victim told police. But again, this
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  Speaker 4: victim got caught by his mother in an embarrassing situation.
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: So is he telling the full truth? Because if he
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  Speaker 4: had any kind of romantic feelings for this woman for
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  Speaker 4: his teacher, he likely does not want to see her
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: go down the same way Billy Fullove did. So it
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: is one hundred percent possible that this abuse was much more.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: Extensive and ongoing than police realize. Is she out on bond?
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: Yes, she is two daughter Sherry sh joining US forensicance psychologists.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: You know, if this were reversed and the alleged abuser
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  Speaker 2: was a man and the victim was a fifteen year
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  Speaker 2: old little girl, he would be under the jail.
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  Speaker 1: Why the difference, Well.
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  Speaker 14: The difference is because there's a stereotype that because this
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  Speaker 14: is a teenage boy, that this is their fantasy. So
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  Speaker 14: somehow it's not as serious or troubling a crime when
• 41:28
  Speaker 14: it's an older woman with a teenage boy. Especially a
• 41:32
  Speaker 14: pretty older woman.
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  Speaker 1: But this is false.
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  Speaker 14: We know that the harm is the same regardless. This
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  Speaker 14: is a minor child. She had an obligation to behave
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  Speaker 14: ethically and adhere to boundaries. She never should across a boundary.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: You know, Lady Justice is blind for a reason. Crossing
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  Speaker 2: boundaries yes. Unethical yes, but as a former prosecutor of
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: violent felonies, just crossing boundaries, It's not just an ethical
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: this is a crime. Lady Justice does not make a
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  Speaker 2: note of whether the victim is a little boy or
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  Speaker 2: a little girl, or whether the defendant is a stereotypical
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  Speaker 2: child molester stalking a playground and a trench code and
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  Speaker 2: a pair of socks, or a pretty young special ed
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  Speaker 2: teacher age thirty the defendant the alleged victim fifteen.
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  Speaker 1: Let's think about that.
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  Speaker 2: We wait as justice on friends, Goodbye friend,