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March Madness Bracket Predictions + Steve Rinella On Building The Meat Eater Empire · Bussin' With The Boys

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Speaker 1: Alright, we're good.
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Speaker 2: You like go.
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Speaker 3: Busting with the boys, hanging with the best.
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Speaker 2: Betting on a game.
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Speaker 3: No woman's gonna tell us what you do, not be
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Speaker 3: We're here just drinking beer and making Nando Baby. I'm
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Speaker 3: hanging with the Fellers. He's busting with the boys.
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Speaker 2: Bro twenty Steve Vanilla, March Madness, Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome
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Speaker 2: to another beautiful episode of Busting with the Boys, Episode
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Speaker 2: three hundred and twenty.
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Speaker 4: A lot of exciting things happening on this podcast, but
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Speaker 2: Fellas we all know, it is March Madness week. It
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Speaker 2: is time to where throw any knowledge you have. Look,
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Speaker 2: if you've come to this podcast for college basketball talk,
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Speaker 2: which I'm sure you haven't, this is where it doesn't
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Speaker 2: really matter. This is yeah, this is where you dive in.
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Speaker 2: Whether I just remember the days in high school and
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Speaker 2: middle school and you're just filling out millions of brackets
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Speaker 2: with the boys, it doesn't matter if you're I've been
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Speaker 2: here and talks about people going to Vegas to get
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Speaker 2: in the action, whether you're at home just watching on
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Speaker 2: the couch with the boys, whether you're eating wings, whatever
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Speaker 2: the case is. It is March Madness Week plus What
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Speaker 2: the Boys. We will be streaming on Thursday and Friday,
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Speaker 2: the first round. It's our first dive into being in
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Speaker 4: Think of it like a community pool, uh in Bonterre, Missouri.
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Speaker 4: You go out there with the boys and you get
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Speaker 4: guess what the boys are diving?
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Speaker 2: believe there's some talks of Clay Matthews to join us
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Speaker 2: So on f you can do a parlay on futures
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Speaker 2: for the tournament. So for example, your boy has cooked
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Speaker 2: one up already, because I'm thinking, like, what is this about?
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Speaker 2: Can I really just take like the top seeds and
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Speaker 2: conservatively place them in the Sweet sixteen or the Elite eight.
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Speaker 2: Was the Gammek server a second Auburn, they're a one seed.
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Speaker 2: I got them reaching the Elite eight Florida to reach
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Speaker 2: the Elite eight, Saint John's to get to the Sweet sixteen,
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Speaker 2: Duke to get to the Elite eight, Houston to hit
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Speaker 2: the Sweet sixteen Tennessee to reach the Sweet sixteen. Doesn't
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Speaker 2: matter if I believe any of those teams can win
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Speaker 2: the whole damn thing. But I have that six leg
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Speaker 2: parlay on all futures. You put that together, and that
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Speaker 2: parlay is worth plus eight oh eight right now in
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Speaker 2: the sportsoh spicy, Just like why people say, hey this
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Speaker 2: everybody wants, you know, they want the march madness to
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Speaker 2: come alive, Like they want to get cute, they want
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Speaker 2: to find all these upsets. How is this tournament going
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Speaker 2: to be chaotic? But also people are talking out there
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Speaker 2: it feels like this is not necessarily a year you
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Speaker 2: kind of maybe want to keep it simple because these
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Speaker 2: teams that are playing at high level or playing at
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Speaker 2: such a high level that it almost feels like a
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Speaker 2: no brainer. Like people talking about like Duke and Auburn, Florida.
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Speaker 1: I got Florida.
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Speaker 4: We're going on the street is that Houston might be
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Speaker 4: the best team out there right now. I've been talking
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Speaker 4: to a couple of guys and they're saying, Houston.
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Speaker 2: Hey, I know they're a one seed, but people are
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Speaker 2: still sleeping on Houston a little bit. You know why
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Speaker 2: I like Houston Their strength coach. Yeah, yeah, they have
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Speaker 2: a great strength program. Somebody I followed for a very
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Speaker 2: long time and and his name is Alan what is
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Speaker 2: his last He follow him for a long time, so
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Speaker 2: I have but apparently like he hasn't come across my
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Speaker 2: algorithm in a while. And this could be a because
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Speaker 2: he's focused, maybe maybe he's somewhere else. But I've started
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Speaker 2: following Houston basketball because of this strength coach, because he's
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Speaker 2: big on like the eccentric work, you know, the triphasic model,
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Speaker 2: and he shows it like on social media. So I
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Speaker 2: was just like, oh, and then when you see Houston
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Speaker 2: kind of getting better and become the program that they've been,
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Speaker 2: I'm not chalking it all up to the strength coach,
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Speaker 2: but I'm thinking, like, that's fucking awesome.
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Speaker 4: This doesn't need to Alan Bishop shout out. Is that
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Speaker 4: him right there, handsome boy strong.
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Speaker 2: Short after photos of like the young freshman coming in,
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Speaker 2: then shows him at the end of the year, there's
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Speaker 2: sophomore year and the progress picks and it's like it
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Speaker 2: gets you fired up.
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Speaker 4: I love that And the eccentric talk is just a
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Speaker 4: piece of nostalgia for me because it brings me back
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Speaker 4: to Vanderbilt. We had that whole summer hitting that French
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Speaker 4: eccentric with Rex Fresh and Buddy. That stuff gets you
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Speaker 4: strong as shit.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he'll have the heels lifted four or five seconds Centric. Yes,
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Speaker 2: just the stuff that you know he's in the weeds
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Speaker 2: on it. You think in your mind, like based on
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Speaker 2: the surface level nobs that we have in the strength game,
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Speaker 2: you're like these basketball players, they're they're on something special
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Speaker 2: out there.
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Speaker 4: Get me juiced uff, Maybe want to get under a
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Speaker 4: of the day. There is a frantic finger Frantic fingers
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Speaker 4: just going towards the TV. There first panicked and I
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Speaker 4: just started reading. So thank you boys, thank you, thank
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Speaker 4: you for that.
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Speaker 2: And the first thing, because you know, people at the
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Speaker 2: With the Boys.
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Speaker 4: If you were but if you're in a think tank
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Speaker 2: And if you d one, I don't know when we
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Speaker 2: went with the other guys when we got the bus wrapped,
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Speaker 2: but if you've been with us in those first couple
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Speaker 2: of years of Busting with the Boys, you know that
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Speaker 2: this bus was a Budweiser bus. I mean Dale Earnhardt
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Speaker 2: it wasn't like a collab with them, but we had
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Speaker 4: They allowed us to kind of do it for a
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Speaker 4: little bit because until we got a little big Ajack
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Speaker 4: regional brand for this area for National Tennessee, will just
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Speaker 2: We went we went with Barstool, We went with Barlow,
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Speaker 2: That's what That's what went away. But the sales es
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Speaker 2: one singular guy, a shout out, Adam Freudel, but he
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Speaker 2: would help, he would help with these deals with the
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Speaker 4: Right the sales yea, they held the entire sales branch
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Speaker 4: of Busting with the Boys now going independent. Shout out
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Speaker 4: now been able to go and talk to other people
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Speaker 4: and then bud Light for a couple of years now.
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Speaker 4: I met the CEO at Power Slap one time and
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Speaker 4: he's like, hey, we'd love to be with you guys,
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Speaker 4: I don't want to be doing like I love the
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Speaker 4: Busting with the Boys. So this is going to be
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And just getting back to the origin story.
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Speaker 4: Yes, And it's like people love to use the sellout
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Speaker 4: the sellout game. Hey, you guys are leaving. You guys
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Speaker 4: a core value of busting with the Boys. Yeah, I meaniser,
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Speaker 4: it's every but on the side it now says busting
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Speaker 2: Get it repainted. But we had to get it repainted
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Speaker 2: to busting because when we when we would do the
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Speaker 2: Fall tour go to colleges, they're always like, hey, could
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Speaker 2: we cover up the Budwiser the alcohol stuff. You don't
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Speaker 2: know what colleges are in bed where. So it's like, hey,
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Speaker 2: it's just kind of easier a the free shout out
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Speaker 4: So yeah, dude, it's I'm fired up. I'm fired up
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Speaker 4: with the idea of of bud Light, the amount of
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Speaker 2: Could you imagine if we are on a bud Light
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Speaker 2: Super Bowl commercial? I mean I have.
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Speaker 4: I've told you we're on the plane to Montana. Yeah,
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Speaker 4: and I told you my idea that.
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Speaker 2: That could be amazing. It's a great idea.
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Speaker 4: Like do we say it out loud? Part of me
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Speaker 4: feels like yes, because when it happens and we're not
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Speaker 4: in it, it's like, well, we had that idea first.
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Speaker 4: It kind of goes back to Jason Kelsey doing the
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Speaker 4: Christmas album.
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Speaker 2: We had that idea first. You remember that idea? Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 2: dude making Christmas album. We had the idea. We had
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Speaker 2: that idea.
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Speaker 4: We had that idea, and then it kind of got
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Speaker 4: shell for a second. Fast forward one year later, Jason
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Speaker 4: Kelsey's going platinum on a Christmas album.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, great album. It's a great album, phenomenal, But.
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Speaker 4: I want to say the idea go ahead, man, Christmas time,
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Speaker 4: snow is falling in Nashville, Tennessee Broadway, a staple of
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Speaker 4: Nashville where all the bach bachelotte parties want to go
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Speaker 4: to are there enjoying their time. The road's empty, it's
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Speaker 4: vacant even. And now you see a group of Clydesdales
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Speaker 4: marching down with a wagon being pulled by yours truly
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Speaker 4: and Will Compton right next to him. People are looking
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Speaker 4: in awe seeing these beautiful horses walking down the street.
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Speaker 4: Beers are flying from the wagon. They're being caught by
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Speaker 4: post molone by Shane Gillis, by bachelorette parties, by bachelor parties,
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Speaker 4: Peyton Manning, Eli Manning. Hell, even Cooper Manning's over there
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Speaker 4: grabbing himself.
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Speaker 2: Off a but light. Yeah, okay, so he's out. He's
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Speaker 2: out with the cartel.
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Speaker 4: Snow's on the ground and as you see the wagon
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Speaker 4: pulling away, it just says, tis the season of giving
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Speaker 4: bud light.
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Speaker 2: That's the commercial.
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Speaker 4: No words, all action, none needed, facial expressions only.
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Speaker 2: I mean.
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Speaker 4: You hear a distant ho ho ho, and then a shooting?
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Speaker 2: Is that a shooting?
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Speaker 1: Start?
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Speaker 4: No, it's Christmas time. You hear some jingles in the background,
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Speaker 4: that's all you hear. How beautiful is that?
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Speaker 2: So something to think about.
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Speaker 4: Listening right now, They've got to listen the launch and
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Speaker 4: if they're the partners they claim to be, we're gonna
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Speaker 4: be in the commercial, right, those are the things that
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Speaker 4: are gonna happen.
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Speaker 2: Here's the d So. Yeah, really exciting stuff happened. We'll
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Speaker 2: bust with the boys. We do.
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Speaker 4: We just got back from Montana. Yeah, I mean that
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Speaker 4: was an incredible experience. Went to hunt coyotes. Didn't see one.
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Speaker 4: Actually that's a lie. I saw one.
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Speaker 2: I saw we saw coyotes, we didn't get one. That'll
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Speaker 2: be broken down. It looks like Jack's ready to question
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Speaker 2: the Jack's ready to say something. You got Stevenelli he has.
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Speaker 2: We have an awesome interview with him coming up where
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Speaker 2: we talk about the episode. We have a vail coming
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Speaker 2: out as well. But yeah, the boys were in Montana
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Speaker 2: for basically two and a half days, ripping content, hitting
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Speaker 2: the shooting range, skin and beavers, skin and musk trapping. Yeah.
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Speaker 4: By the way, Marshes, just walking through those motherfuckers. It
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Speaker 4: is insane.
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Speaker 2: Four mile hikes. It's just crazy.
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Speaker 4: Steve was walking around Marshes like it was no big deal.
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Speaker 4: Will Double Needs shot himself, but a lot of rock.
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Speaker 2: Yeahah, oh yeah, when I was in the water.
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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, it got Will just kind of set on
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Speaker 4: the sidelights for a little bit because Steve was walking around.
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Speaker 4: I don't want to get too much into it, but
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Speaker 4: seems like you guys want to come with me, and
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Speaker 4: I'm like a little kid, like, yeah, dad, I'll come and.
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Speaker 1: Will you go?
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Speaker 4: Say, you guys got it smart too, because I'm telling
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Speaker 4: steven story. I'm telling Steve a story that I know
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Speaker 4: he doesn't give two ships about. And all of a sudden,
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Speaker 4: I'm up to my crotch in marsh, just realizing there's
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Speaker 4: a there's a sunken little hole there.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: So these men move different, they walked different than us,
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Speaker 4: but they were great as always.
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Speaker 7: Jackie had a question, if you guys are going to
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Speaker 7: talk about in the podcast hunting and everything, then we
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Speaker 7: I don't want to give anything away, but I've heard
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Speaker 7: rumors swirling. Someone I don't know who it is missed
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Speaker 7: a shot on a coyote pretty close.
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Speaker 2: But there's a great story behind it. I don't know anything.
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Speaker 2: I'm just curious.
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Speaker 7: So I will be listening because we weren't there as
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Speaker 7: you you guys in JP so I'm excited, and Mitch
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Speaker 7: was saying, how this podcast is amazing.
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Speaker 1: So.
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Speaker 2: Editing it. Yeah, dude, he's a he's a stud man,
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Speaker 2: very fascinating individual, like getting his cutting, his teeth in
15:56
Speaker 2: through writing and everything else. You can just hear it.
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Speaker 8: When he's storytelling, he's like, he's literally like one of
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Speaker 8: the most interesting man in the world to me, because
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Speaker 8: like we're not privy to that type of world, like
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Speaker 8: we're just sports athletes, dumb athletes. And then you go
16:11
Speaker 8: out here and then he's like talking about like, oh
16:13
Speaker 8: you hear a bird. Yep, that's this one just right
16:15
Speaker 8: over there. Just crazy, and it's like the people like
16:17
Speaker 8: that their brains can operate like that that quickly, like oh,
16:20
Speaker 8: I know exactly what bird that is, I know exactly
16:22
Speaker 8: where it.
16:22
Speaker 4: Is, how old it is, Yeah, if it's if it's
16:24
Speaker 4: trying to mate what the call is, Like, this dude's
16:27
Speaker 4: one step away animal.
16:29
Speaker 6: It's so cool. It is so cool.
16:31
Speaker 4: Yeah, step The cool thing about Steve too is that
16:34
Speaker 4: he'll sit there and you'll just be standing at a
16:36
Speaker 4: random spot and he'll point to something and then tell
16:39
Speaker 4: you a story and then give you historical background and
16:41
Speaker 4: factual evidence on that little spot right there. You had
16:44
Speaker 4: one of the marsh there was one over by the otters.
16:47
Speaker 4: But all that I'll get into the podcast. It's an
16:48
Speaker 4: incredible podcast. I think you guys are gonna love.
16:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's awesome. But should we jump back to marsa
16:53
Speaker 2: Manus Oh in a little bit. Absolutely. So.
16:56
Speaker 4: You've got a spicy little parlor that's plus eight o
16:58
Speaker 4: eight right now.
16:59
Speaker 2: Right now, right now. I don't know what I'm gonna
17:01
Speaker 2: add to it. I will let the people know what
17:02
Speaker 2: my parlay is gonna be. But I'm gonna have a
17:04
Speaker 2: very exciting futures parlay that we'll be getting in on.
17:06
Speaker 2: And I am a massive fan. I did. I started
17:09
Speaker 2: doing it last year. I'm a massive fan when we
17:11
Speaker 2: are streaming, getting us involved with which team's gonna score
17:15
Speaker 2: first at ten? First to ten?
17:16
Speaker 4: Yeah do So. This will be Thursday and Friday will
17:19
Speaker 4: be my first time truly digesting the March Madness Tournament,
17:24
Speaker 4: diving in, putting the bets in all that. So like,
17:26
Speaker 4: I'm ready to fly by the seat of my pants. Yeah,
17:28
Speaker 4: I'm ready to listen to the boys, listen to the chat.
17:30
Speaker 2: Hey, what are we doing? Where are we going? I'm
17:31
Speaker 2: willing to throw away all of the money because it's like,
17:33
Speaker 2: right when tip off happens, the excitement is at its peak.
17:37
Speaker 2: It's like it's here, March madness, the tournament is starting today.
17:40
Speaker 2: What are we doing all day long? And you're so
17:42
Speaker 2: high when that first tip off happens and you're kind
17:44
Speaker 2: of looking around, You're like, when's the second game coming? Like, oh,
17:46
Speaker 2: that one will be in like an hour or two.
17:48
Speaker 2: And you're kind of just sitting there watching the game
17:49
Speaker 2: and you got you got your first bet out there,
17:51
Speaker 2: whether it's you know, one team to cover. And I'm
17:54
Speaker 2: sitting there like, okay, so we got we gotta wait
17:56
Speaker 2: two full halves for one of these things to shoo
17:59
Speaker 2: full hat. And I'm sitting there with with Ryan Whitney
18:03
Speaker 2: and I want to say Dave got in on it too,
18:05
Speaker 2: and Big Cat. But we started doing these first to
18:08
Speaker 2: ten bets. I'm like, hey, how do we get the
18:09
Speaker 2: juices flowing even faster? Like when another tip off happens, Like,
18:12
Speaker 2: what's a live bet that we can hit, so it
18:14
Speaker 2: be like first to ten just to give you like
18:16
Speaker 2: a little juice up front so you're not like waiting
18:18
Speaker 2: for the end of every game. To see if it's
18:20
Speaker 2: gonna you know, you pick the over, the under, the spread,
18:22
Speaker 2: whatever it is. Like, the live bets in college basketball
18:25
Speaker 2: is a lot of fun. And like when we were
18:28
Speaker 2: back in we'd go to state basketball in Missouri, we'd
18:30
Speaker 2: go up to Columbia at MISSOO and we'd sit there
18:32
Speaker 2: and we'd have like rolls of quarters and dollars and
18:36
Speaker 2: just bet like throughout the game, like if guy's gonna
18:38
Speaker 2: hit the free throw, and who's gonna score and he's
18:41
Speaker 2: gonna be a three, and you just be betting. So
18:43
Speaker 2: the live bets during March Madness is a lot of fun.
18:46
Speaker 4: The way I envisioned the live bets is like the
18:48
Speaker 4: movie Focus with Will Smith when he's at the super
18:50
Speaker 4: Bowl and he's just sitting there with that really rich
18:52
Speaker 4: Asian guy going back and forth the suspense in that movie.
18:55
Speaker 4: How I was feeling just being a third part of it. Yeah,
18:57
Speaker 4: I can't wait to be the first party individual and
18:59
Speaker 4: I hope to God i'm Will Smith in the situation. Yeah, yeah,
19:02
Speaker 4: winning hundreds of thousands, millions of dollars.
19:04
Speaker 9: There's so much going on in the first round, second
19:06
Speaker 9: round that there really is no way to prep other
19:08
Speaker 9: than have your phone charged, yeah, and your money ready.
19:11
Speaker 4: Money, and just be ready. Yeah, have that thing on
19:14
Speaker 4: the fandle where you have to it sits there, and
19:15
Speaker 4: be like, hey, just so you know, you've been on
19:16
Speaker 4: here for an hour and a half.
19:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. It gives you a little updates.
19:19
Speaker 4: Yeah, like you've been on here for twenty five minutes,
19:21
Speaker 4: just making sure you're okay. Yeah yeah, and then back
19:26
Speaker 4: in yeah yeah.
19:28
Speaker 10: Dude, and don't uh, don't forget. I know we'll jump
19:31
Speaker 10: into like the full bracket. But those first playing games
19:35
Speaker 10: arena yard today eighteen.
19:39
Speaker 2: Oh yes, yes, yes, I forget right now. So okay
19:44
Speaker 2: in games, yes, you laid it on some action there,
19:45
Speaker 2: just to start spicing it up a little bit.
19:47
Speaker 10: And we can talk about those if we want. Kind
19:49
Speaker 10: of flex our muscles, show them.
19:51
Speaker 2: We do know what we're talking about. We don't though,
19:54
Speaker 2: we don't, and we don't like, hey, let's flex our
19:55
Speaker 2: muscles on Alabama on Alabama State in Saint Francis. I'm thinking, like,
20:00
Speaker 2: be fun to see for Saint Francis winning because Sant
20:02
Speaker 2: Francis County is where I grew up. So I'm just
20:03
Speaker 2: thinking like, right, oh, that's a Missouri Yeah, Okay, Yeah,
20:08
Speaker 2: Saint Francis County is in Missouri. Right, It's a it's
20:10
Speaker 2: like a like, hey, I'm rooting for this team. That's
20:13
Speaker 2: a name association, name association. That's what we're dealing with
20:16
Speaker 2: right here. By the way, if Mitch was not here,
20:18
Speaker 2: I would have thought we're rooting for a team in Baltampa. Okay, Okay,
20:22
Speaker 2: that's a mixture because I'm thinking, yeah, I know it's no, no, no,
20:24
Speaker 2: thank you, Mitch Mustache.
20:26
Speaker 4: Mitch is different, man, he's saving this podcast because I'm
20:29
Speaker 4: sitting there like, yeah, fuck yeah, dude, Missouri, we're going
20:32
Speaker 4: hard for them.
20:32
Speaker 9: There's one thing, one of these play playing games, if
20:35
Speaker 9: Texas wins, that'll be the fourteenth SEC team in the tournament,
20:38
Speaker 9: setting a new.
20:39
Speaker 2: Which is nuts man crazy.
20:41
Speaker 4: So we kind of want Texas to win because we
20:43
Speaker 4: need the SEC to have something right.
20:46
Speaker 2: I think is like a blue blood.
20:48
Speaker 4: Yeah, but they have, yeah basketball Conference. We need them
20:51
Speaker 4: to step it up because you guys.
20:53
Speaker 2: Are it is apparently the first time and I don't
20:55
Speaker 2: know how long that if North Carolina loses, it'll be
20:57
Speaker 2: their first time not making the tournament since god knows
20:59
Speaker 2: how long.
21:00
Speaker 4: Yeah, and there's some rumblings right there that they are.
21:02
Speaker 4: They're being sneaky boys, apparently in bed with somebody in
21:05
Speaker 4: the committee that yeah, the Bill Belichick. Bill Belichick's working
21:09
Speaker 4: his magic in the basketball court already.
21:10
Speaker 2: Huh.
21:11
Speaker 9: Just just based on the two names, who you taking
21:13
Speaker 9: in this game? American or Mount Saint Mary's American?
21:18
Speaker 2: American? Bud light?
21:20
Speaker 8: Yeah, but are you talking about just like the name
21:24
Speaker 8: of the school.
21:24
Speaker 9: Which I said, just based off these.
21:25
Speaker 4: Two days and we heard Jers match. I hope they
21:28
Speaker 4: might caught it.
21:28
Speaker 7: No.
21:28
Speaker 8: Yeah, Mount Saint Mary's is kind of like they've been
21:30
Speaker 8: making some runs their wagons.
21:32
Speaker 6: They're a bit of a wagon. They had to like
21:34
Speaker 6: a couple of years America yet though.
21:37
Speaker 4: Mount Saint Marys hasn't ran into America yet, fact checking
21:39
Speaker 4: me on that.
21:40
Speaker 2: Don't know. I they played, Who's going to play in
21:41
Speaker 2: the play Houston. Mount Saint Mary's a bit of a wagon.
21:44
Speaker 2: I do have right now. As of right now, I
21:47
Speaker 2: have six circled upsets, which I don't know if you
21:49
Speaker 2: consider a nine upsetting an eight like an upset. But
21:52
Speaker 2: they are underdogs. But here's what I have. I have
21:54
Speaker 2: Creton over Louisville, New Mexico over Marquette ar in sOliver, Kansas,
22:01
Speaker 2: and I'm leaning like, hey, the SEC's got teams Arkansas
22:03
Speaker 2: over Kansas, Baylor over Mississippi State, VCU over b y U.
22:10
Speaker 2: I just saw the way VCU was fired up at
22:12
Speaker 2: the end of their tournament. I'm like, oh, let's I
22:14
Speaker 2: would love to see him make it a little bit
22:15
Speaker 2: of damage in the first round. And then McNeese shut up.
22:23
Speaker 2: It's mcneesyneezy over Clemson. Come all right, I noticed you
22:28
Speaker 2: didn't have my boys in there. That's nice. I thought
22:30
Speaker 2: about it, but I'm like, you know what, I can't
22:33
Speaker 2: because logically, it does seem like Michigan's in a tough
22:37
Speaker 2: spot with their draw based on the way everybody else
22:39
Speaker 2: has been talking.
22:40
Speaker 4: Right, that five six, seven seed, Right, they're always in
22:42
Speaker 4: the play.
22:43
Speaker 2: You see San Diego, But apparently you see San Diego
22:46
Speaker 2: is like a pretty good team, not just like they
22:48
Speaker 2: weren't fifteen straight.
22:49
Speaker 7: And they're beast on defense. They're gonna be a tough
22:51
Speaker 7: twelve seed for you to play.
22:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, but let me ask you this, who have they played?
22:56
Speaker 2: You see it? Right? You see this, you see that,
23:00
Speaker 2: You see Los Angeles, Yeah, you see Encinitas, you see these.
23:05
Speaker 6: You see Sacramento, you see Los Angeles as U c
23:07
Speaker 6: l A. Did you mean to say that?
23:09
Speaker 2: I was just saying, like, you see, hey, mustache mintioned
23:13
Speaker 2: strikes again. You see Berkeley. Yeah, but can I see
23:25
Speaker 2: your little sheet request? Yeah, go ahead, it does have
23:27
Speaker 2: all the spreads on it as well. Yeah.
23:29
Speaker 4: So because Michigan don't know what I know. I know
23:34
Speaker 4: that Michigan won the Big Ten tournament. So like, shout
23:37
Speaker 4: at us once again, like Michigan. Well, you say what
23:40
Speaker 4: you want about my fandom about Michigan. People hate on Michigan.
23:44
Speaker 4: It's a good sports school.
23:46
Speaker 2: It is. I don't think anybody disagrees. Okay, good but
23:49
Speaker 2: again and Yale after that, but fawl and then you
23:53
Speaker 2: got and the only you got Auburn possibly after that
23:56
Speaker 2: two and a half point favorites against U see San
23:59
Speaker 2: Diego and.
24:00
Speaker 4: Diego tough spot, But smooth water Water has never made
24:06
Speaker 4: a skilled sailor. Oh there you go, hey, my boys,
24:09
Speaker 4: My boys are gonna be ready quick.
24:10
Speaker 9: Little shout out to the hometown Lipscomb in the tournament.
24:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's big time. Shout out Lipscomb. Shout out Vanderbilt,
24:17
Speaker 2: Vanderbilts in the boys do you guys, have you guys
24:23
Speaker 2: have some upsets that you like in Round one?
24:25
Speaker 10: I did just want to highlight one of yours, which
24:28
Speaker 10: was the Kansas Arkansas game. I've been watching Big twelve basketball,
24:33
Speaker 10: like pretty closely this year. I've watched it closer in
24:36
Speaker 10: years past. But I think Kansas is extremely overrated. I've
24:42
Speaker 10: seen them lose several in conference games. They started the
24:45
Speaker 10: year very highly ranked. They've you know, fallen out the
24:49
Speaker 10: top twenty five since, but extremely vulnerable Kansas team. So
24:55
Speaker 10: I actually really liked that Arkansas to beat Kansas in
24:58
Speaker 10: the first round. I love that pick.
25:00
Speaker 2: Do you have any other jack I know, you guys
25:03
Speaker 2: who are in the weeds more with college basketball.
25:06
Speaker 8: I feel like Drake Drake against Miszoo. I mean, just
25:10
Speaker 8: strictly looking just strictly looking at record. I mean, Drake
25:14
Speaker 8: is thirty and three and where's Missouri?
25:17
Speaker 2: See how I love that? Sometimes it's just like, hey, look.
25:19
Speaker 6: At the record to make a pick.
25:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, you like Drake Drake over Missouri. Correct, But again
25:25
Speaker 2: Miszoo's in the SEC for sure.
25:27
Speaker 8: But twenty two and eleven and thirty and three like Drake,
25:30
Speaker 8: say Drake? Like yeah, I feel like they they're they're
25:36
Speaker 8: low key, like not really a blue button blood, but
25:39
Speaker 8: they've been in the tournament sometimes and like they're kind
25:41
Speaker 8: of they're a little feisty.
25:42
Speaker 2: They got they get spicy. He's a fisty team. What
25:45
Speaker 2: commerce are they in?
25:46
Speaker 6: I want to say, like big Easter American sounds right?
25:49
Speaker 9: Yeah, Big East sounds more right. Yeah, I kind of
25:52
Speaker 9: like your VCU pick. I did watch the end of
25:54
Speaker 9: that game.
25:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're fired up.
25:57
Speaker 9: Hit the free throws kind of sets in. Don't going
26:00
Speaker 9: to the tournament.
26:02
Speaker 2: I don't know.
26:02
Speaker 9: Momentum, it'll be pretty sweet. There's a lot March.
26:06
Speaker 2: Anything, Yeah, anything can happened. I can't wait to see
26:08
Speaker 2: what storylines like come of it. It's like last year
26:10
Speaker 2: that cat who was dropping threes from Oakland, remember him
26:14
Speaker 2: just going nuts, like the peak of his life, looking
26:17
Speaker 2: like JJ Reddick throughout all of March madness. I mean
26:20
Speaker 2: he was, I mean he was.
26:21
Speaker 9: We only know one basketball player, it's.
26:25
Speaker 2: Basketball player Will sees now is JJ Reddick, But draining
26:28
Speaker 2: threes like that, Like, bro, it was iconic watching this
26:31
Speaker 2: dude work Oakland and they were like were they Yeah.
26:34
Speaker 9: They were a very low seed if you had to
26:36
Speaker 9: pick out of any of the one seeds to get upset.
26:39
Speaker 9: Who do you think it would be to get upset?
26:42
Speaker 2: Let me see what I got here. Auburn had a
26:46
Speaker 2: tough draw on in the SEC tournament. Now they they
26:49
Speaker 2: had a.
26:51
Speaker 9: Their last like four games haven't gone as well as
26:54
Speaker 9: they wanted him to. So that's either a sports Yeah.
27:00
Speaker 9: I mean, it's either a good thing to have a
27:01
Speaker 9: bad taste in your mouth or it's bad.
27:03
Speaker 4: From the middle of that Ohio State type run, right,
27:05
Speaker 4: whether to start putting points over it.
27:07
Speaker 2: Was it's Auburn Houston duke in Florida. Yeah, and I
27:12
Speaker 2: think out of those I have again no clue, and
27:15
Speaker 2: I'm a square. I have all number ones in the
27:16
Speaker 2: fund for Auburn.
27:22
Speaker 10: One thing I do know about Auburn is they're on average,
27:25
Speaker 10: they're one of the oldest teams in the ncuble A.
27:28
Speaker 10: They have a lot of fifty or six year guys.
27:30
Speaker 10: They're very athletic, they're really strong.
27:32
Speaker 2: Number one.
27:33
Speaker 10: But some of those playing teams, those sixteenth seed playing teams,
27:38
Speaker 10: those are the ones to watch because they get that
27:40
Speaker 10: first win under their belt and then they go up
27:42
Speaker 10: against that one seed. They're not playing cold. They're coming
27:45
Speaker 10: in a little hot because they just played recently.
27:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the bye week with the experience that you
27:51
Speaker 2: were talking about with Auburn. If I had any I
27:54
Speaker 2: would say either Houston or Duke. Why because I know
28:00
Speaker 2: that Alabama can be very good and I know that
28:02
Speaker 2: Wisconsin can get really spicy.
28:04
Speaker 6: Cooper flag to hurt his questionable really like really bad
28:08
Speaker 6: ankle sprain. I think it was in the semi final.
28:10
Speaker 1: M hm.
28:11
Speaker 6: So he going to come in hobbled. He's like the
28:14
Speaker 6: bad he's like overall.
28:15
Speaker 2: But they're talking about him just missing this first maybe
28:19
Speaker 2: second round around here, right, But if they're without if
28:24
Speaker 2: they're without that cat for it would be against Arizona
28:27
Speaker 2: or Oregan. But Baylor, Yeah, Baylor, You're right, Baylor, come on,
28:33
Speaker 2: don't be playing Baylor hurt, banged up. And then I
28:36
Speaker 2: think Carston too because on the other side you got Tennessee, uh, Kentucky,
28:42
Speaker 2: and I never sleep on Illinois. You know, Will Compton
28:44
Speaker 2: does not does note. That's a good football team right there.
28:48
Speaker 2: That's a good that's a good ball. Good name. Think
28:53
Speaker 2: this is going to be a well coached ball team. Yeah,
28:56
Speaker 2: Bill marsh mad See, I like Florida. Here's how impressionable.
29:01
Speaker 2: I am.
29:02
Speaker 4: I don't know very much about basketball at all. We
29:04
Speaker 4: get out of the car this morning at a specific spot.
29:06
Speaker 4: We won't say where because we're shooting a little custom
29:08
Speaker 4: mad Garrett as he goes to the game Florida versus Alabama,
29:12
Speaker 4: and Florida went in a flow state mode where they
29:14
Speaker 4: would just walk up on a three and drain him
29:17
Speaker 4: over and over and over again, to the point where
29:19
Speaker 4: Geez telling me he's at first mad, and now he's like,
29:22
Speaker 4: I gotta just watch greatness even though they're beating up
29:25
Speaker 4: on my own team. So now I just feel like,
29:27
Speaker 4: all right, Florida, Florida's gonna be And.
29:29
Speaker 2: They got some big white boys. Yes, they down low
29:31
Speaker 2: and they're very good. They're very active, they're long, like yeah,
29:34
Speaker 2: Florida seems very athletically every position.
29:37
Speaker 9: And they are physical. Yeah, those boys down low can ball.
29:41
Speaker 4: I heard another physical team in the Southwest region area, Arizona.
29:46
Speaker 4: The boys can get physical in there. I was talking
29:48
Speaker 4: to a couple of homers from there. I don't just
29:50
Speaker 4: sleep on Arizona. Yeah, Arizona boys are out there, obviously
29:55
Speaker 4: extremely biased. Were like, don't be surprised when they beat.
29:57
Speaker 2: Ue it's just like sure. And before we came on
29:59
Speaker 2: the bus, He's like, if we can knock off Duke,
30:03
Speaker 2: we could win the whole thing.
30:03
Speaker 4: And I'm like, well, yeah, Baylor, Yeah, you understand why
30:09
Speaker 4: I'm a little confused, right, based on how many teams
30:10
Speaker 4: you have. But Baylor is his first his origins, your origin, right,
30:15
Speaker 4: his origin, that's what I want to call it.
30:17
Speaker 10: Went to and graduated from Baylor University.
30:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, the door, let's see. Oh yeah, here's a question.
30:28
Speaker 2: I'll go grab it. Okay, thank you, buddy. Okay, we'll
30:30
Speaker 2: wait on the question. Jack. How are you feeling about Tennessee.
30:34
Speaker 2: I don't know, man.
30:35
Speaker 7: We didn't have a great final conclusion in that c C tournament,
30:39
Speaker 7: but it's always good we got I think we are
30:41
Speaker 7: in a really good spot of the bracket. Bracket.
30:43
Speaker 2: I do like it.
30:44
Speaker 7: But the whole problem with Tennessee is we are like, well,
30:48
Speaker 7: maybe to the elite A and then we lose. So
30:51
Speaker 7: hopefully Rick Barnes can get it done. I think Rick
30:54
Speaker 7: Barnes is gonna leave after this year. He might retire
30:56
Speaker 7: because we have like six of our seniors that are leaving,
30:59
Speaker 7: so I think he's.
31:00
Speaker 10: Gonna kind of fade out with them.
31:01
Speaker 6: But I don't know.
31:03
Speaker 7: Rick Barnes one of the you know, most elite college
31:06
Speaker 7: basketball coaches that's been out there, and he's been in
31:08
Speaker 7: the game for almost three decades, but he plays a
31:11
Speaker 7: very older style of basketball in like a very evolved league.
31:14
Speaker 2: So I don't know.
31:16
Speaker 7: I hope we go deep, but you just never know.
31:21
Speaker 7: This is March, so anything could happen.
31:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, And another storyline I enjoy too is Kentucky just
31:29
Speaker 2: because of that that meme that that old buddy gave us.
31:33
Speaker 2: You know, he had the little he made the face
31:35
Speaker 2: what do they call it? Yeah, the mean mug. Yeah
31:39
Speaker 2: he been. He was mean mug and hardcore.
31:41
Speaker 7: I see you guys both have taken Kentucky to beat Tennessee.
31:47
Speaker 2: How'd you see mine?
31:48
Speaker 7: I know, I see him?
31:51
Speaker 2: And you want to know why? Sure, the Kentucky Tennessee
31:53
Speaker 2: game was the last one I kind of filled out
31:55
Speaker 2: in the sweet sixteen and I'm looking around and I'm realizing,
31:57
Speaker 2: like how much of a square I kind of am
31:59
Speaker 2: picking all the Like my upsets are like in the
32:02
Speaker 2: first round, none early in the second. And so when
32:04
Speaker 2: I was looking at Tennessee Kentucky, I'm looking Okay, three
32:07
Speaker 2: seeds versus two seed. I kind of looked at you guys.
32:09
Speaker 2: You guys playing this year. It seems like Kentucky got
32:11
Speaker 2: you one time and we got them. You're right right
32:13
Speaker 2: recently most recently, so I was thinking, like the toss up, right,
32:16
Speaker 2: thinking the toss up is like, Okay, I'm just gonna
32:18
Speaker 2: go Kentucky here to get a three seed. Yeah, like,
32:21
Speaker 2: let me let me this is a game instead of
32:26
Speaker 2: one sees across the board. I also have and this
32:29
Speaker 2: I was gonna ask you, sir, because I know you're
32:31
Speaker 2: big into the Big twelve. Texas Tech is also like
32:33
Speaker 2: one of your teams. They're a three seed. I have
32:36
Speaker 2: them beating Saint John in the Sweet sixteen, which I'd
32:39
Speaker 2: love to see Saint John go far because of Rick Patino.
32:42
Speaker 2: I love like following all their stuff, that the content
32:44
Speaker 2: that they've been creating with him. But it does seem
32:46
Speaker 2: like Texas Tech could be a bit of a wagon.
32:48
Speaker 10: To to sell Tech. Uh, they are unreal beyond the
32:54
Speaker 10: three point line.
32:55
Speaker 2: Uh.
32:56
Speaker 10: They actually knocked out Baylor in the Big Twelve tournament
32:59
Speaker 10: by making twelve threes in the first eight minutes of
33:02
Speaker 10: the game. When they get hot, they get really really hot,
33:05
Speaker 10: but their most important piece, and correct me if I'm wrong.
33:09
Speaker 2: I believe it's JT.
33:10
Speaker 10: Toppin.
33:11
Speaker 2: He's Big twelve Player of the year.
33:14
Speaker 10: He's the he is the Texas Tech big man and
33:18
Speaker 10: that dude underneath the basket that goes across the board.
33:22
Speaker 10: By the way, if you are similar to me, where
33:25
Speaker 10: you are an absolute casual and college groups, a great
33:29
Speaker 10: way to break down if a team has the ability
33:32
Speaker 10: to go far is either one are they hot from
33:35
Speaker 10: beyond the three point mark? Or two do they have
33:39
Speaker 10: a nasty big man that no one can guard? And
33:41
Speaker 10: that's how a lot of these schools that are the
33:44
Speaker 10: higher seeds will make deep runs because they have one big,
33:48
Speaker 10: nasty dude. N C State was a perfect example right
33:52
Speaker 10: last year.
33:53
Speaker 2: That was last year in Purdue Perdue.
33:56
Speaker 10: If you just have one big nasty that is got
33:59
Speaker 10: soft hands by the hoop, it doesn't matter who they're playing,
34:02
Speaker 10: they can be anyone because if that team's missing shots,
34:05
Speaker 10: you know he's getting the rebound on defense, and then offensively,
34:09
Speaker 10: if his team's missing, it's okay. He's gonna get some
34:12
Speaker 10: offensive rebounds, he's gonna get some fouls. They're better players
34:15
Speaker 10: are gonna start fouling out. That's how you win basketball
34:18
Speaker 10: games in a tournament because you have all the nerves
34:21
Speaker 10: of the tournament teams don't usually shoot as well as
34:23
Speaker 10: they do in the regular season, So that's a great
34:26
Speaker 10: way to kind of break it down. If you're a
34:28
Speaker 10: casual to this, you want to do a bit more
34:30
Speaker 10: research on your gambling, go look up some of these
34:33
Speaker 10: teams from these eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen seeds. See if
34:36
Speaker 10: they have a big man. If they have a big
34:38
Speaker 10: man that's putting up crazy numbers all year, that's a
34:41
Speaker 10: team to choose. And that's my opinion. And you know
34:44
Speaker 10: that way they say, like be safe, don't bet too much, responsible, responsible, responsibly.
34:52
Speaker 10: I'm a podcast producer, right response.
34:55
Speaker 4: This is not real medical advice here. Yeah, you can't
34:58
Speaker 4: prescribe these types of things, is what, all?
35:00
Speaker 2: Right? I like that. I love looking at the fellas,
35:03
Speaker 2: looking at the big fellows, the offensive line.
35:05
Speaker 4: Of the best, the trenches, the trench warfare.
35:10
Speaker 2: I love that. I love it. I love the conversation too,
35:13
Speaker 2: because we're falling a lot of circles. That's how everybody
35:17
Speaker 2: tries to operate.
35:18
Speaker 4: I love that people essentially We're operating like a one
35:21
Speaker 4: big group chat right now because there's a bunch of
35:23
Speaker 4: people that are coming to watch our sports podcast.
35:25
Speaker 2: But oh, Will and Taylor will have answers. When we
35:27
Speaker 2: sit here, We're like, we don't. I think people they
35:29
Speaker 2: know that we don't. We don't have answers. Yeah, we
35:33
Speaker 2: are shocked. We are going to shock the world. Yeah.
35:35
Speaker 4: I think there's a huge opportunity on Thursday Friday on
35:37
Speaker 4: these streams for people to make some good money, good
35:41
Speaker 4: money going to this.
35:42
Speaker 2: I might bring my unit all the way down to
35:43
Speaker 2: ten dollars because I won my dog of the Day
35:48
Speaker 2: bet with tailing you in Michigan. Let's go shout out
35:51
Speaker 2: the boys. Turn ten dollars into twenty nine. I might
35:54
Speaker 2: just operate off percentages than the actual dollar amount.
35:57
Speaker 4: That's a smart That might be a smart move, and
35:59
Speaker 4: you can have more fun. It's like you kind of
36:00
Speaker 4: walk into a casino and you're like, I'm gonna I'm
36:02
Speaker 4: gonna win it all. Then you spend all your money
36:03
Speaker 4: in the first five minutes, you're like, uh.
36:05
Speaker 2: And then the thing too with uh with March madness
36:08
Speaker 2: is there's a lot of opportunity. So you could if
36:11
Speaker 2: you get in the hole and you're just losing left
36:12
Speaker 2: and right, and you're just like, all right, here's where
36:13
Speaker 2: we get back on it. Next thing you know, you're like, okay,
36:15
Speaker 2: I'm down quite a bit of mone. It sounds like
36:17
Speaker 2: you're speaking from experience. Last year I was I. I
36:20
Speaker 2: had a very bad percentage. Pretty much all of us did.
36:23
Speaker 2: It was not good. We were believed keeping well, keeping
36:26
Speaker 2: your same unit. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You start
36:29
Speaker 2: flying it around first to ten parlay this. Yeah, the
36:33
Speaker 2: cat from Oakland is he gonna make this many threes.
36:35
Speaker 2: He's like, you start getting into the weeds. I'm that
36:37
Speaker 2: you got thirteen bets laying out there for like one game.
36:40
Speaker 2: You're like, how did I get here? Yeah? Or you're
36:41
Speaker 2: like chasing, like you know, if you're down, like a
36:44
Speaker 2: live bet, you going at halftime and live bet something
36:46
Speaker 2: else and you're like, this one's not turning over.
36:47
Speaker 4: Something about being with a group of guys and live
36:50
Speaker 4: betting like each well with football, every possession, what's gonna
36:54
Speaker 4: happen in this position? But all kind of teamed up
36:55
Speaker 4: doing our own thing because it's fun to put the
36:57
Speaker 4: parlays the other before the game. But once the game starts,
36:59
Speaker 4: like those things have to either fold or unfold the
37:02
Speaker 4: way they do with the live betting. It's like you're
37:04
Speaker 4: getting action right then and there, so automatic endorphin spike
37:07
Speaker 4: left and right. Yeah, at the end of the day,
37:09
Speaker 4: you go home, you're exhausted.
37:14
Speaker 2: What is and I know one thing that the that's
37:16
Speaker 2: gonna be on the FanDuel Sportsbook twos. There is going
37:18
Speaker 2: to be like this. I don't know what it's called.
37:20
Speaker 2: We'd have to dive into what the exact verbiage is,
37:22
Speaker 2: but kind of like a mulligan bet. Yeah, if you
37:25
Speaker 2: have a pick like say you have say you have Alabama, Yeah,
37:28
Speaker 2: bet back. I think that's what it's called.
37:30
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know if it's called that. We just
37:33
Speaker 4: know it's a mulligan.
37:34
Speaker 2: It's a so so Mitch. The difference is like you
37:36
Speaker 2: could have let's just say Alabama minus four and a
37:39
Speaker 2: half and or let's just say Alabama minus eighteen and
37:42
Speaker 2: a half. Like, say it's in the first round whatever
37:44
Speaker 2: their big spread is against whoever they're playing, and there's
37:47
Speaker 2: like twenty seconds left in the game and they're only
37:50
Speaker 2: up seven, so you know they're not going to cover
37:52
Speaker 2: eighteen and a half. You can go in and get
37:54
Speaker 2: you a mulligan bet and get a bet back like
37:56
Speaker 2: before the game ends, as long as you're doing it
37:58
Speaker 2: on live bet. Yeah, bet back token.
38:01
Speaker 4: A bet back token turns your bet into a bonus
38:03
Speaker 4: bet if you decide to back out.
38:05
Speaker 2: During the game.
38:06
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you're not gonna get that money back into
38:08
Speaker 4: your bank account. But I'll be like, hey, you want
38:10
Speaker 4: to save it here.
38:11
Speaker 2: That's fine.
38:11
Speaker 4: We'll just put this in a little nest over here.
38:13
Speaker 4: Whenever you're ready start dishing that boy out again.
38:15
Speaker 9: Yeah, but you got to be active. You gotta be
38:17
Speaker 9: ready and paying attention for.
38:18
Speaker 2: You got to be great attention. You got to be
38:19
Speaker 2: dialed in. Yeah, you gotta be dial a lot of
38:21
Speaker 2: good tokens, a lot of good coins and promos going on.
38:24
Speaker 4: Because that's a great note by Garrett too, because when
38:26
Speaker 4: you get into streams and you're watching games, a lot
38:29
Speaker 4: of times you can fall victim to what's happening on
38:32
Speaker 4: the bird, what's happening on Instagram. When it comes to
38:34
Speaker 4: these first couple of rounds. If you're gonahit that bet
38:36
Speaker 4: back token, you gotta be dialed. You gotta know what's
38:39
Speaker 4: going on. Good note, gee, that's a great note.
38:40
Speaker 9: I mean, we're gonna have multiple split screens going, so
38:44
Speaker 9: you're gonna.
38:45
Speaker 2: Be we'll be excited, locked and locked.
38:48
Speaker 9: Maybe we assigned somebody to like, hey, keep an eye
38:51
Speaker 9: on this one. Notify everybody, right, it's either eject or hammering.
38:55
Speaker 2: I'm excited for the first kind of rival bet that happens.
38:59
Speaker 6: Well, we might have a while, but.
39:01
Speaker 2: Just somebody has like a different like say, uh, Michigan
39:05
Speaker 2: makes it to Auburn. Who's gonna what rivalry is that
39:09
Speaker 2: I'm saying, like, if I'm sitting there, bet and I'll
39:12
Speaker 2: probably bet all yeah, yeah, yeah, I can understand that.
39:16
Speaker 2: I'm that brings us back to the uh I lost
39:22
Speaker 2: my thought. But you can also.
39:26
Speaker 9: You could join you can join forces in that moment though,
39:28
Speaker 9: and do the we.
39:29
Speaker 2: Are you gonna say my feud against Michigan, Well you're.
39:31
Speaker 4: I was gonna bring it up. Yeah, you're feud against Michigan.
39:33
Speaker 4: But it was also like the teams, the upsets that
39:36
Speaker 4: you don't know why that work cannot come to me,
39:37
Speaker 4: but the upsets. I was surprised it wasn't in your
39:40
Speaker 4: first round because I know you've got a little deal
39:41
Speaker 4: with Michigan. I don't have a deal with Michigan, and
39:44
Speaker 4: we talked about it walking it feels like I don't know,
39:49
Speaker 4: and I don't know. I don't want to put words
39:50
Speaker 4: in your mouth. Maybe it's a jealousy thing. Maybe it's like.
39:52
Speaker 2: A no, no, no, no, it's best friend. Say when
39:55
Speaker 2: you say jealousy, that's where the feud starts to spark
39:58
Speaker 2: in my body.
39:59
Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be a few.
40:00
Speaker 2: You get it. I know. See now you're doing it literally,
40:03
Speaker 2: you're doing the thing that creates some feud. I don't
40:05
Speaker 2: have a few with Michigan.
40:06
Speaker 4: I understand why you would be upset based on how
40:08
Speaker 4: the last couple of years have gone.
40:10
Speaker 2: But I'm not upset. I'm not upset about So.
40:13
Speaker 4: You're gonna look at me with that tone of voice,
40:14
Speaker 4: and you're gonna look at me and say, I'm not upset.
40:16
Speaker 2: I'm ready to I'm ready to take down you see
40:19
Speaker 2: San Diego, Like if they lose, I'm gonna I'm gonna
40:22
Speaker 2: think to myself, damn it, this is the one that
40:24
Speaker 2: I know logically, like everybody was kind of saying, this
40:27
Speaker 2: is gonna be the tough one.
40:29
Speaker 6: I think we need to take a time out.
40:32
Speaker 4: Gets too heated, get a bow time out and oh
40:35
Speaker 4: a bow time You're gonna do a bow time out time? Yeah,
40:37
Speaker 4: let's let's cool the jets for a second and the
40:42
Speaker 4: main was gonna start coming out of it.
40:43
Speaker 2: Let me uh yeah, we got a bow time out.
40:46
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40:48
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40:53
Speaker 2: to see if you can take these things down. How
40:54
Speaker 2: big of a bite you can take out with that
40:56
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40:57
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42:03
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42:06
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42:09
Speaker 2: heat coming potential heat. Yeah, like we can't cage little Cajun,
42:13
Speaker 2: Little Cajun. Now, we gotta simmer it down with that
42:15
Speaker 2: little blueberry. I will say that it is good.
42:20
Speaker 4: If you want to share, let me get little bit
42:22
Speaker 4: to you that you got. See that little bite right there,
42:25
Speaker 4: that's the one that when your friend asked, hey, can
42:27
Speaker 4: I get a bite? You want to take that one first?
42:29
Speaker 4: Will was not smart enough to do that though.
42:31
Speaker 2: Right now, because the Cajun plays incredible by itself, but
42:36
Speaker 2: you put it with that drizzle, that bowberry drizzle and
42:40
Speaker 2: just sandwich between a couple of waffles. I shoot what
42:42
Speaker 2: they're trying to do? That bite? You're the big biech
42:49
Speaker 2: it all. I think you can take it down all
42:52
Speaker 2: one bite, don't you think?
42:53
Speaker 6: No?
42:55
Speaker 2: Try? Well, you do have to try. For boys. Everybody
43:00
Speaker 2: at home watching right now, they're like, is mit gonna
43:03
Speaker 2: take this down? Or not thinking about your family watching
43:06
Speaker 2: like they do every Tuesday night.
43:07
Speaker 8: I'm thinking about my grandparents, think about game game hip.
43:12
Speaker 8: I'm so sweet they're gonna. I'm there's no way I
43:17
Speaker 8: can do this whole thing, my dad, you or do not.
43:20
Speaker 2: There is no try. You got it. Just shove it
43:22
Speaker 2: in there, shove it in there. Okay, all right, that's
43:27
Speaker 2: a good bite. Though. That's a good bite. Now get
43:31
Speaker 2: back to work. So I do. I don't hate Michigan.
43:35
Speaker 2: We're back time in. Yeah, time in time in.
43:38
Speaker 1: I don't know.
43:39
Speaker 4: It's it's very I mean a couple of weeks ago
43:41
Speaker 4: you were sitting there saying we're back to hating Michigan.
43:44
Speaker 4: I'm back to the downfall and back to this, back
43:45
Speaker 4: to that.
43:46
Speaker 2: It's because you say some spicy stuff that starts to
43:48
Speaker 2: spark that few. What do friends do? We gotta get
43:50
Speaker 2: spicy up in here. I understand. I understand again.
43:52
Speaker 4: We just came off of you're so focused on the
43:54
Speaker 4: bowberry glaze. Dude, I'm focused on cage and chicken at here.
43:56
Speaker 4: You know, I'm trying to get a little spicy on
43:58
Speaker 4: this bus. And it's very clear to me that you're
44:00
Speaker 4: just hating. And I know I can be a pastoring
44:03
Speaker 4: than with I hating. Come on, now, you said I
44:07
Speaker 4: can't wait to watch Michigan's downfall a multi that's because
44:10
Speaker 4: you pass.
44:10
Speaker 2: And this is after.
44:12
Speaker 4: This is after I said I want Nebraska to do
44:14
Speaker 4: better than they did this past year.
44:17
Speaker 2: I know I can recall the conversation. Oh you can,
44:20
Speaker 2: so you remember being a little nasty. The problem is
44:23
Speaker 2: I want you to be so on board because I
44:24
Speaker 2: don't want to surround myself with mediocre thinking. Greatness hates mediocrity,
44:28
Speaker 2: and mediocrity hates greatness. And when you say, hey, six
44:32
Speaker 2: and whatever, seven and six whatever, that that game up
44:34
Speaker 2: seven to five, that's where it's like, that's mediocre thinking.
44:37
Speaker 2: And I don't want that that to me. I don't
44:40
Speaker 2: want that part of my life that is one that's thinking.
44:43
Speaker 2: Right there, here's my boss, you're my boy. So when
44:45
Speaker 2: you say that, that's where professor starts like, all right, right,
44:48
Speaker 2: and you know and you know that about me? You
44:51
Speaker 2: know that about what do you mean? That's what fires
44:53
Speaker 2: me up. I know this.
44:54
Speaker 4: I know Will Compton this. I know when Will Compton
44:57
Speaker 4: goes in the off season, when he played ten full years,
44:59
Speaker 4: in the end of that he focused on getting one
45:01
Speaker 4: percent better. Being good consistently makes you great. So when
45:05
Speaker 4: mische or when Nebraska goes seven and five, if they
45:08
Speaker 4: go seven and five, you are being better every single year.
45:12
Speaker 4: You're being good good, get it, which will lead to
45:13
Speaker 4: eventually being great.
45:15
Speaker 2: Okay, So I got a scenario. Okay, so let tell
45:17
Speaker 2: me you're coming off. You're coming off. It's March and
45:20
Speaker 2: we're talking about.
45:21
Speaker 4: Football right the rackets here, boys, But let's style it
45:25
Speaker 4: in this and if you're bouncing back off of your ACL, yeah,
45:28
Speaker 4: you just like, Hey, I just want to start all
45:30
Speaker 4: year long, put on some good tape.
45:32
Speaker 2: Just get better than I ended last year. Because I'm
45:34
Speaker 2: coming off an ACL. Are you thinking I'm going after
45:37
Speaker 2: I'm going after all of it. I'm going after all
45:39
Speaker 2: pro super Bowl, Pro Bowl.
45:42
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was going after what I was already achieving.
45:45
Speaker 2: Is what you're just achieve it. The year before that,
45:46
Speaker 2: the year.
45:47
Speaker 4: Before that, five games, zero sacks, no pressure to A
45:50
Speaker 4: was playing the best game football ever.
45:52
Speaker 2: Great.
45:52
Speaker 4: So when I tore my ACL, my thought process was
45:55
Speaker 4: get back to what you were doing, get back to
45:58
Speaker 4: Taylor Lawan.
46:00
Speaker 2: And if I was just like, hey, that's kind of
46:01
Speaker 2: those expectations are kind of crazy, Like you're coming off
46:04
Speaker 2: a pretty a major surgery, like let's just let's just
46:07
Speaker 2: have a good year of starting every game. Yeah, but
46:10
Speaker 2: that's not I would be. I'd be You'd be like, bro,
46:12
Speaker 2: you're my boy, Like we need to be going after
46:14
Speaker 2: this thing together.
46:15
Speaker 4: Yeah, we and we go after it. And I'm saying
46:17
Speaker 4: we went after it, right, So okay, if that's if
46:19
Speaker 4: that's the train of thought you're using, then let's go
46:21
Speaker 4: after another bowl game. But you know what I'm saying
46:24
Speaker 4: that you're I'm saying I was at my expectation for
46:28
Speaker 4: myself and how I was playing was up here. So
46:31
Speaker 4: no matter what I'm thinking, AC, let me buy see
46:34
Speaker 4: what happens. And I'm like, how do we get back
46:36
Speaker 4: to where we were? And so if we want to
46:38
Speaker 4: use your logic. It's like, all right, well, we got
46:40
Speaker 4: the monkey off our back of hitting a bowl game
46:42
Speaker 4: for the first time since twenty fifteen.
46:44
Speaker 2: Let's go right back to just hitting a bull game. No,
46:47
Speaker 2: I want these motherfuckers Capital one bull. I want these
46:50
Speaker 2: boys fucking seven and five.
46:52
Speaker 4: I want the dogs out of our brains. Are differ
46:54
Speaker 4: I'm trying we operate differently. You're we're saying the same thing.
46:58
Speaker 2: No difference is you're saying national champions No, no, no,
47:02
Speaker 2: Well yeah, like that, that's all we're chasing. Dude, I
47:06
Speaker 2: might need another bow time out.
47:07
Speaker 10: Hey, the analogy doesn't really hit the same because Taylor
47:12
Speaker 10: was the greatness that he's trying to achieve.
47:15
Speaker 2: That was the year.
47:16
Speaker 10: Before he tore his a cl What you're wanting Nebraska
47:21
Speaker 10: to do is like, hey, Taylor, your best years were
47:23
Speaker 10: when you were in second or third grade. Like it's
47:27
Speaker 10: been a minute, Like let's get back to that.
47:29
Speaker 4: And it's like, let's get back to six seventh grade
47:31
Speaker 4: before we start looking at those grades.
47:32
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, yeah, like it's been a minute.
47:34
Speaker 6: It's been a.
47:35
Speaker 2: Minute, and it's okay, listen, listen, Nebraska fans.
47:37
Speaker 4: You guys are being way too rational in things. Lin
47:42
Speaker 4: Louie just talked to you for a minute. Nebraska fans,
47:43
Speaker 4: first off, I want to I want you to know
47:45
Speaker 4: I'm on your side. I love Big Red, I love Lincoln.
47:49
Speaker 4: Whenever I go on to Lincoln, the camaraderie, the hospitality
47:53
Speaker 4: people being around you, guys are incredible, and I got
47:55
Speaker 4: to witness you, guys Donkey stomp to call Hi out
47:58
Speaker 4: of buffs who are a massive rival of you, guys.
48:00
Speaker 4: I am on your side. When I say seven and five,
48:02
Speaker 4: I'm not being like, oh, a little poor Nebraska. I'm
48:06
Speaker 4: saying seven and five, like, yes, dude, let's get better.
48:08
Speaker 4: Let's just get better than the year before, right, because
48:12
Speaker 4: if we go six and six, we're like, ah, dude,
48:13
Speaker 4: we're the same. I love Matt Ruhle, I love Royola.
48:17
Speaker 4: I love that he's taking and he's literally trying to
48:19
Speaker 4: do exactly what Patrick Mahomes doing, because why Kobe Bryant
48:22
Speaker 4: did it for Michael Jordan, Why can't Dylan Roola do that.
48:24
Speaker 2: For Patrick Mahomes.
48:25
Speaker 4: We just want to be better every single year, and
48:28
Speaker 4: seven and five says you were better than the year prior,
48:30
Speaker 4: So yes, you're gonna have the will comptence out there
48:33
Speaker 4: and say no to your bust. But when it doesn't happen,
48:36
Speaker 4: it's like, okay, well we disappointed it, but we went
48:38
Speaker 4: seven and five like we're better, and next year's gonna
48:40
Speaker 4: be eating four better and better and better and better.
48:43
Speaker 4: That's what we want every single year. And I do
48:45
Speaker 4: want to tell little story REQUI.
48:46
Speaker 2: You're a casual. You're a casual, and that's okay.
48:48
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm a casual of my friend's team. Yes, yeahs
48:51
Speaker 4: I am.
48:51
Speaker 2: But I also give me you see San Diego in
48:54
Speaker 2: the first round, dude.
48:57
Speaker 4: And also you want to talk about ball real quick?
48:59
Speaker 4: You guys want to get rock hard, rock fucking hard
49:02
Speaker 4: watching some blocking go pull up. Late twenty nineteen, Tennessee
49:07
Speaker 4: Titans offensive line. This weekend again, we're gonna do a
49:11
Speaker 4: little camping situation. The weather's didn't permit, so we went
49:13
Speaker 4: to the main cave and I set up a couple
49:15
Speaker 4: of blow up mattresses. But then, you know, you know
49:17
Speaker 4: how kids are, it's always a war at bedtime. So
49:19
Speaker 4: one of my kids, who seems the wife, I sleep
49:20
Speaker 4: in the man cave of my youngest daughter, and I
49:22
Speaker 4: start seeing Andrew Whitworth and I are going back and
49:24
Speaker 4: forth about how like he sent me the tweet he
49:26
Speaker 4: put on Will Compton before he even tweeted it, like
49:29
Speaker 4: just so you know, I'm about to put your boys
49:31
Speaker 4: head on a stake, and hey, it's all good, don't
49:33
Speaker 4: worry about it. I know my boy's got thick skin.
49:35
Speaker 4: Then all of a sudden, who is the other center for?
49:39
Speaker 4: I can't believe his name is Eric Wood? Eric Wood
49:42
Speaker 4: post that out of nowhere. So I start thinking to myself,
49:44
Speaker 4: like it would be an absolute shame. It would be
49:47
Speaker 4: a horrible, horrible shame if offensive linemen around the years
49:51
Speaker 4: of twenty thirteen to twenty twenty started just posting their
49:54
Speaker 4: blocking videos Rogers Saffold twenty nineteen Raiders clips of them
49:59
Speaker 4: blowing talking. Will comes in. So I actually go and
50:01
Speaker 4: I found a couple of clips of me and Will
50:03
Speaker 4: when we went at it Nebraska, when you try to
50:05
Speaker 4: throw a punch at me after I brought you the sidelines, Raiders,
50:09
Speaker 4: when when I walked you out and we got a
50:10
Speaker 4: seven average.
50:12
Speaker 2: You guys average two yards.
50:14
Speaker 4: I'm watching I'm watching YouTube videos on my phone, like
50:16
Speaker 4: eleven pm on Saturday night, of just these couple of
50:19
Speaker 4: things and then I just start self sucking a little bit,
50:22
Speaker 4: and I go to like the twenty nineteen highlights, and
50:25
Speaker 4: I start watching these five men just put on a
50:29
Speaker 4: fucking clinic of blocking. It was so beautiful, dude, It's
50:34
Speaker 4: like the good old times, the good old days.
50:36
Speaker 2: You sit back there. I'm watching b.
50:38
Speaker 4: Blocks with Roger Saffold and Taylor. I'm watching man Reaches
50:42
Speaker 4: by Jack Conklin. I'm watching Aces by Josh Klein and
50:45
Speaker 4: Ben Jones. Boy, dude, I might be one of the
50:48
Speaker 4: greatest offensive the most underrated, greatest offensive lines that have
50:51
Speaker 4: ever walked this earth.
50:52
Speaker 2: It was so beautiful to see.
50:53
Speaker 4: So when I tear my ac I'm trying to get
50:55
Speaker 4: back to what I was, what we're trying, what we
50:57
Speaker 4: ended up being Nebraska. We don't want to go back
50:59
Speaker 4: to what we work because we haven't been there twenty fifteen.
51:02
Speaker 4: So we want to this decade, the twenties, let's get
51:06
Speaker 4: better every year, and then by the thirties.
51:09
Speaker 2: We're fighting it, baby, We're fighting it.
51:12
Speaker 10: I do have I do have a science experiment that
51:16
Speaker 10: I would love to implement this.
51:19
Speaker 2: That's why I'll mess with you on a real level.
51:24
Speaker 2: What do you mean you know I don't gotta go ahead.
51:26
Speaker 4: Sure, the streets right.
51:29
Speaker 10: Now, the streets are saying that the Compton Curse is
51:32
Speaker 10: a very real thing the street. It's all over Twitter.
51:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've seen that.
51:36
Speaker 10: It's all over Twitter.
51:37
Speaker 2: I can vouch for that.
51:38
Speaker 10: So I think we go to some kind of place
51:42
Speaker 10: like Lids or whatever. We get some basketball jerseys for
51:47
Speaker 10: sir Will. We haven't put some on cheer for that
51:51
Speaker 10: team in March madness during the game, and see if
51:54
Speaker 10: the Compton curse really is real. Let's put it to
51:56
Speaker 10: the test.
51:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm done to do that to me. I just
51:59
Speaker 2: think you get your lid bloodied over and over and over.
52:02
Speaker 2: You just got to keep coming back because one day
52:04
Speaker 2: it's gonna shake you legit.
52:06
Speaker 4: Willis home Willis Homer Simpson when he decided to start boxing,
52:09
Speaker 4: just takes punches and punches. Eventually, eventually that person's gonna
52:13
Speaker 4: wear themselves out. They're so exhaust hitting Will.
52:15
Speaker 2: In the face. He just won't get knocked out.
52:17
Speaker 4: Yeah, dude, it's hard to be the man that refuses
52:20
Speaker 4: to I don't think that works. Sure, I mean, we
52:22
Speaker 4: can try it, but I don't think I think Will's
52:23
Speaker 4: heart truly has to be in something for the curse
52:25
Speaker 4: to come alive if the curse is real, which I
52:27
Speaker 4: don't believe it is.
52:27
Speaker 10: It's even it's even been with some of these bets lately.
52:31
Speaker 10: If he if he posts the bet on Twitter, it
52:35
Speaker 10: loses if he doesn't post it on Twitter, and then
52:37
Speaker 10: he'll he'll post this winning and be like, hey, yo,
52:40
Speaker 10: look what I want. Because he wasn't gassing it up
52:42
Speaker 10: before the game, right, you need to.
52:43
Speaker 2: Go what was that like?
52:44
Speaker 4: Like we called him McPherson up for that, right because
52:46
Speaker 4: he would hit and he would post the winners. Like
52:49
Speaker 4: that's maybe where you need to go. You need to
52:50
Speaker 4: go with that, Like, don't promote your picks, just say
52:53
Speaker 4: I've got picks. I'll let you know how it goes,
52:57
Speaker 4: and then you post the winners, right.
52:59
Speaker 2: Because Jack always talking about these winners. He's always hitting
53:01
Speaker 2: on it, and dude.
53:02
Speaker 4: It's always on the phone. I specifically remember us, like
53:06
Speaker 4: we're driving.
53:08
Speaker 7: All time, gambling stats. We can and do this if
53:11
Speaker 7: we really want to.
53:13
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, if you if you guys were to go
53:14
Speaker 4: toe to toe, I assume you'd be prosperous. However, at
53:17
Speaker 4: the point we're making and I remember us driving through uh,
53:20
Speaker 4: Chattanooga and all of us are sitting there on the
53:23
Speaker 4: border and being like, Okay, what parlays are we going
53:25
Speaker 4: to put in? And there was a good long conversation
53:27
Speaker 4: that took place. I can't remember what game I think
53:29
Speaker 4: was in Georgia.
53:31
Speaker 1: You ever going to?
53:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, Georgia and.
53:32
Speaker 4: South Carolina, and everybody's got an opinion about what parlays
53:36
Speaker 4: and we all dial in our parlays and we go
53:38
Speaker 4: to the game, we leave, we get back and Jack's posting.
53:41
Speaker 2: Parlays that hit parlays did it?
53:44
Speaker 4: So I think that's where they that's where they hate
53:48
Speaker 4: kind of comes is like we see Jay, you maybe
53:50
Speaker 4: have a beautiful mind. You get that ray man of
53:52
Speaker 4: sports betting, and you trying to get better harboring all
53:55
Speaker 4: the wins for yourself, dude, just feeding betting.
53:56
Speaker 7: I haven't done a ton of betting since football, and
53:59
Speaker 7: I like to take this time to like do a
54:02
Speaker 7: little just race. So yeah, soul searching, And I cannot
54:06
Speaker 7: wait for Thursday because I'm gonna be dialing it up
54:08
Speaker 7: in a big way. And so just so it's out there,
54:11
Speaker 7: I will be posting all of my bets before tip
54:14
Speaker 7: off at least an hour, so at least an hour
54:18
Speaker 7: at least an hour of five seconds before tip. But yeah,
54:23
Speaker 7: I don't want to rehash something bad. I will be
54:26
Speaker 7: taking U see San Diego as my upset and has
54:29
Speaker 7: nothing to do against Michigan. But I look at all
54:32
Speaker 7: the upsets constantly and I can't find one that I
54:34
Speaker 7: love that's like a twelve verse four twelve verse five.
54:38
Speaker 7: So that's wrong at right now?
54:41
Speaker 2: Jack, can I say something?
54:42
Speaker 4: Yeah, good Man's big and has nothing to do with.
54:46
Speaker 2: This is my first time dive in. I can hope
54:47
Speaker 2: the Amazing Blue do well.
54:48
Speaker 4: But I don't know enough about basketball to you know,
54:50
Speaker 4: plant my flag in the round and be like where
54:52
Speaker 4: and winks, X Y and Z. I can do that
54:54
Speaker 4: with football. It's hard for me me basketball. I'm watching
54:57
Speaker 4: truly as a fan and just hoping for the best.
54:59
Speaker 7: It's it's gonna be awesome that there was a moment
55:02
Speaker 7: we all, I think experience in elementary and middle school
55:04
Speaker 7: or even into high school where that Thursday and Friday
55:07
Speaker 7: where they put on all the games at lunch. At
55:09
Speaker 7: least they did it in our high school.
55:11
Speaker 2: And you have those teachers that are just loving it,
55:13
Speaker 2: and it's sports teachers.
55:15
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's basically yeah, it's basically like a free two days.
55:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know that.
55:20
Speaker 7: Hopefully we got a couple high schoolers listening, and they're
55:22
Speaker 7: maybe listening on Thursday, like about to go into these
55:26
Speaker 7: first rounds, and I just hope they're getting fired up, thinking, Man,
55:28
Speaker 7: I don't even have to focus today. So God, I'm
55:31
Speaker 7: so excited.
55:32
Speaker 2: For Thursday economics class. He would do that shout out yeah,
55:40
Speaker 2: and they love it, dude, I love so fun. I
55:43
Speaker 2: love it. It's gonna be exciting. I can't wait. It's
55:46
Speaker 2: gonna be a fun. Little time update with busting. When's
55:50
Speaker 2: the merch store dropping? So we have an update with
55:53
Speaker 2: the tornadoes and the rain and everything else. We didn't
55:55
Speaker 2: get the merch that got to the shop on time, correct,
55:58
Speaker 2: So I believe we're pushing the store drop. You were
56:00
Speaker 2: gonna push it a week, push it a week. We'll
56:02
Speaker 2: push it a week.
56:03
Speaker 9: But good news is we have almost fifteen hundred people
56:06
Speaker 9: signed up, So shout.
56:07
Speaker 2: Out to you guys.
56:09
Speaker 9: And if we get to two thousand, do we want
56:11
Speaker 9: to do some giveaways?
56:12
Speaker 2: H we're getting the two thousand, yea, we're getting two thousand,
56:15
Speaker 2: so yes, give me yeah, definitely one of the promise giveaways.
56:18
Speaker 2: That is what you're saying. Yeah, I'm brainstorm and then
56:21
Speaker 2: yeah we'll get we'll get in the think tank. Yeah, yeah,
56:23
Speaker 2: I think goodways. But but if you're listening right now,
56:26
Speaker 2: go to BWTB dot com and sign up dot com
56:29
Speaker 2: and sign up, and uh, you'll be the first to
56:32
Speaker 2: know when the merch drops. And I think there's gonna
56:34
Speaker 2: be a discount.
56:35
Speaker 4: Code man discount for the first twenty four to twenty.
56:37
Speaker 2: Four hours, yeah, which will be big. But yeah, if
56:39
Speaker 2: we hit up, if we get these, if we get
56:41
Speaker 2: numbers up to absolutely we should give away merch to the.
56:43
Speaker 4: Tier ones and there's gonna be uh. I mean, I've
56:46
Speaker 4: seen the merch. She's done a fantastic job. There's some
56:48
Speaker 4: new stuff, there's some og stuff, Like it's exciting, it's exciting.
56:54
Speaker 2: What's about to happen?
56:54
Speaker 4: Yeah, that one thing we were texting about last.
56:57
Speaker 2: Night, whispers of the bow tie coming back, bow ties
57:00
Speaker 2: coming back.
57:01
Speaker 4: We got sweatsuits, yeah, travel suits, travel suits for real.
57:07
Speaker 4: And I saw that, I like, I scrolled through it
57:08
Speaker 4: pretty quick last night and I got to that bottom
57:11
Speaker 4: and I saw that sweatsuit and I was like, oh
57:13
Speaker 4: my god, let's go the bow tie though, and the
57:16
Speaker 4: bee it's back, just kidding, and.
57:21
Speaker 2: Best sellers will be back too.
57:22
Speaker 6: Yeah.
57:22
Speaker 10: I picture all of us, well not all of us,
57:25
Speaker 10: but everybody. That's like going on a spring to your
57:27
Speaker 10: trip in the airport, matching sweatsuits. Yeah, just walking through
57:31
Speaker 10: the terminal. That'll be hot. But yeah, I'm down.
57:33
Speaker 2: It'll be hot. It'll be hot.
57:34
Speaker 10: They what team is that?
57:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, people are looking at the squad be like, that's
57:38
Speaker 2: not a team we have. Yeah, he actually look like
57:41
Speaker 2: a basketball team. We got all the high Taylor.
57:45
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I feel like in basketball, I'm like normal,
57:47
Speaker 4: if you're like a.
57:48
Speaker 9: Point guard six, you are like a point guard.
57:51
Speaker 4: Though, I'm like, yeah, it's one in the n b A.
57:56
Speaker 4: I mean, I mean I feel like on the high
57:58
Speaker 4: school set, no easy buckets around me.
58:02
Speaker 2: Hell what pool basketball?
58:04
Speaker 4: Well you already know how that goes. I'm talking about
58:06
Speaker 4: high school basketball. You need someone to own the paint, buddy,
58:09
Speaker 4: I can nile though some.
58:10
Speaker 2: Bows in the paint.
58:10
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not afraid to get a little dirty.
58:13
Speaker 9: But yeah, shout out to all the people that have
58:14
Speaker 9: signed up already. That's awesome.
58:16
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's nuts. Let's let's bump that up to two thousand.
58:21
Speaker 4: Pump to five thousand, Holy Ship brask expectations on that one.
58:28
Speaker 4: But I love I'll get behind that.
58:30
Speaker 10: If we hit five thousand. What would you give away?
58:33
Speaker 4: A jar of will conference sweat, dude from the sauna.
58:36
Speaker 4: That's what we need to give a jar will sweat.
58:39
Speaker 4: I'll get it myself. We have to get we gotta
58:42
Speaker 4: get it. We gotta get to five.
58:43
Speaker 2: Giveaway Jersey have some raided ones in the closet. Still,
58:47
Speaker 2: what about your sweat? I'll give away a sweat.
58:49
Speaker 4: Okay, we put in a little yeah, little Mason jar
58:52
Speaker 4: maybe yeah, Mason tres a lot of sweat.
58:54
Speaker 2: Well, I'm talking about them. A little eaty beaty.
58:56
Speaker 4: Ones, little shotglass of sweat. You can maybe meet and
59:00
Speaker 4: do a little necklace for somebody, be like, oh, what's
59:02
Speaker 4: on your what's on your neck?
59:02
Speaker 2: There? Oh? Nothing? Hard work? Yeah, that's what that is.
59:07
Speaker 2: I mean speaking hard work. Did you see my uh
59:10
Speaker 2: you see my throwback video last night? No? Come on, man,
59:14
Speaker 2: what's your whole neck? Like?
59:15
Speaker 6: You know?
59:15
Speaker 4: I pull it up because I might have seen it,
59:17
Speaker 4: but I don't.
59:18
Speaker 2: Things going viral right now? Okay? Which one is it? Me?
59:23
Speaker 2: Wrestling at ten years old. Okay, I did see that
59:26
Speaker 2: this morning, and I am a pit bull. Look at
59:33
Speaker 2: the grainy film, bro Cody. For whatever reasons, just reliving
59:37
Speaker 2: the youth days back home. You gotta be in the
59:40
Speaker 2: got Yeah, he got a VC art to work, so
59:42
Speaker 2: he had this stuff up on the screen.
59:44
Speaker 6: Which are you bill?
59:46
Speaker 2: He's the one in the blue yeah Navy. Yeah, he
59:49
Speaker 2: put his little ass day go to the Yeah, here
59:51
Speaker 2: we go. Now we go set up. Look at your
59:52
Speaker 2: boy in the back. Look at you're right there staying
59:55
Speaker 2: up right there. Your shoulders are wild. This a fake cut.
1:00:04
Speaker 2: Go into a cradle. So usually when you take the
1:00:08
Speaker 2: diamond position, because you know when you uh in wrestling,
1:00:11
Speaker 2: you'll either get top or bottom. If you're on top,
1:00:12
Speaker 2: you like get around their stomach.
1:00:13
Speaker 4: Do you want to queen? Move this stuff so you
1:00:15
Speaker 4: can show me.
1:00:15
Speaker 2: No, no, no, take sure, take a minute. But you
1:00:17
Speaker 2: get around that. You get around the stomach. You know,
1:00:19
Speaker 2: you place it on the elbow, rep slowly run the
1:00:21
Speaker 2: belly button, and right when it touches when the whistle blows.
1:00:24
Speaker 2: But I'm going diamond like, Hey, I'm gonna diamond cut
1:00:27
Speaker 2: him like I'm gonna put my hands on his back
1:00:28
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna let him up, give him a point
1:00:30
Speaker 2: because I know he can't take me on my feet.
1:00:32
Speaker 2: Go Diamond, I'm on the side, and instead of letting
1:00:35
Speaker 2: him up, I just go for that cradle, just heading
1:00:37
Speaker 2: aside and crank him up. God damn, I understood most
1:00:41
Speaker 2: of that. I'm watching that, and I told Cody, I
1:00:44
Speaker 2: was like, I can't believe that kid never won State.
1:00:48
Speaker 2: I'm watching him like he has it in him. Sounds
1:00:50
Speaker 2: like he didn't have the drive. You try to quit
1:00:52
Speaker 2: in high school. Well, I quit in sixth grade and
1:00:55
Speaker 2: didn't come back until my parents starting to ground me
1:00:58
Speaker 2: in high school, which is just nuts. His wrestling is
1:01:01
Speaker 2: a different that's a that's a different animal game. It's
1:01:04
Speaker 2: a different world. Bro. Is there a piece of you
1:01:06
Speaker 2: that wishes you had a little call flywer? I do no,
1:01:09
Speaker 2: But that's like, yeah, you said a little bit of
1:01:11
Speaker 2: call fire. This is a little bit Yeah, yeah, I
1:01:17
Speaker 2: see it.
1:01:18
Speaker 1: You always got a.
1:01:18
Speaker 2: Little bit of call flower. I tried skipping school when
1:01:21
Speaker 2: I got this car flower. Yeah, that's we came acting
1:01:27
Speaker 2: acting all beat out, like I just wasn't feeling it.
1:01:31
Speaker 2: Had some car flyer, A little blood coming from the ear.
1:01:33
Speaker 2: How cool do you feel they drain it? No, because
1:01:37
Speaker 2: it didn't get puffing up like Cody's gotten his drink,
1:01:39
Speaker 2: because he's got call fliers, like Cody was an actual
1:01:41
Speaker 2: real word, Cody's You don't mess with Cody. Yeah.
1:01:44
Speaker 4: You see Cody at a bar and he's poking in
1:01:46
Speaker 4: the chest. You let that poke happen.
1:01:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, Coddy, that's when you pull aside. You're like, buddy,
1:01:50
Speaker 2: what are you doing? Like, we're just trying to have
1:01:52
Speaker 2: a good time out of you don't got to look
1:01:53
Speaker 2: at everybody thinking they're trying to fight.
1:01:54
Speaker 4: His version of a good time is you know that
1:01:57
Speaker 4: goes that.
1:01:58
Speaker 10: It's just there's no really he's down in thirty eight
1:02:01
Speaker 10: and he's staring everybody down.
1:02:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, buddy, we're on vacation.
1:02:04
Speaker 4: There are guys you go and you hang out if
1:02:06
Speaker 4: you're you're at the house pre gaming with the boys,
1:02:07
Speaker 4: just like, yeah, we're have a good time. He's all
1:02:09
Speaker 4: smiles and then they walk through the bar door and
1:02:11
Speaker 4: it's like a trance comes over there.
1:02:12
Speaker 2: Yeah. I thought, I.
1:02:16
Speaker 4: Yes, gat gonna bring up Severed because it sounded like
1:02:20
Speaker 4: that's what happened.
1:02:20
Speaker 2: Severn season finale this week. I am so down the
1:02:23
Speaker 2: rabbit hole on every theory that is out there. I
1:02:26
Speaker 2: follow the Severns fan club on x I've been checking
1:02:30
Speaker 2: out everything, any message board that I can. I can
1:02:33
Speaker 2: fill my braind with severance, and I have no clue
1:02:36
Speaker 2: what's gonna happen or what's going on. We gotta be careful.
1:02:39
Speaker 9: Jack hasn't watched yet.
1:02:40
Speaker 2: You haven't watched Jack. He's a Knocksville. Yeah, no wedding
1:02:45
Speaker 2: all weekend.
1:02:45
Speaker 7: So I got back last night.
1:02:46
Speaker 2: And you didn't watch it.
1:02:48
Speaker 7: When you got that, I started watching it in five minutes.
1:02:50
Speaker 7: I fell asleep, but you after It's on the to
1:02:54
Speaker 7: do list tonight.
1:02:56
Speaker 2: Bro, Jane, all right, should I bus We're gonna do this?
1:03:00
Speaker 2: He doesn't. He does a little mom what is that noise?
1:03:04
Speaker 2: He's like, I wish you'd take them roll And she's
1:03:07
Speaker 2: like cutting this little egg and You're like, dude, this
1:03:09
Speaker 2: dude's a little psycho. Bro, you're not listening.
1:03:13
Speaker 10: Are end on the mic?
1:03:14
Speaker 2: You guys were in the middle of a podcast. Gart
1:03:16
Speaker 2: started to whisper the things.
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Speaker 4: Go ahead, hey, so, or when she's at her desk.
1:03:21
Speaker 2: You can talk. You have to talk about I was
1:03:23
Speaker 2: just playing into them.
1:03:24
Speaker 9: Or when she's at her desk looking at the little
1:03:27
Speaker 9: code yeah, and he walks in.
1:03:29
Speaker 2: My helly, She's like, what the fu? Yeah, bro, I
1:03:32
Speaker 2: don't know what's gonna happen this week, but I am
1:03:34
Speaker 2: so locked the last scene.
1:03:37
Speaker 10: I'm telling you, something's going on with the sister.
1:03:39
Speaker 2: Something's going on with the sister, Mark sister something.
1:03:42
Speaker 1: You know.
1:03:42
Speaker 2: When she pulled up in Colebell's like she's one of James,
1:03:46
Speaker 2: like the the Jame guy is kind of like this
1:03:48
Speaker 2: epsteinish figure. It feels like this elite Well I'm just saying,
1:03:52
Speaker 2: I feel like there's so many like calls to the
1:03:54
Speaker 2: things that have happened like that happened in the world.
1:03:56
Speaker 2: It's like, uh, mil Check him turning against the system.
1:03:59
Speaker 2: Everybody else using big words. Miltcheck's not for whatever reason,
1:04:02
Speaker 2: you gotta talk dumber, like some racial ties going on,
1:04:05
Speaker 2: and he's just like the man in the system. Milcheck's
1:04:07
Speaker 2: gonna turn Yeah.
1:04:08
Speaker 9: And we did get one of our og boys back
1:04:11
Speaker 9: on our side, who Dylan, And I'm.
1:04:15
Speaker 2: Off dealing with Hey, he's he's got to prove it.
1:04:19
Speaker 1: He's go to prove it. Deal.
1:04:20
Speaker 2: But he's such a pussy dude. If you're hitting severed
1:04:24
Speaker 2: but in you and you're seeing your wife in that
1:04:26
Speaker 2: in the in the room. It's like, why is the
1:04:29
Speaker 2: real life dude? Why is your audi getting upset that
1:04:31
Speaker 2: she's like having dates on the inside with your severed mind.
1:04:35
Speaker 2: It's like you could have some fun with that. I
1:04:38
Speaker 2: mean they're like, hey, can we hug and kiss? I'm
1:04:40
Speaker 2: looking at my wife like, hey, I would need you to.
1:04:43
Speaker 2: We'd have to get down in this little private room. Yeah,
1:04:46
Speaker 2: and then go home and talk about it. Like I
1:04:47
Speaker 2: feel like like that would be It's me, it's my brain,
1:04:50
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And he's mad and he
1:04:52
Speaker 2: walks out because he feels like she's cheating on him
1:04:55
Speaker 2: with him.
1:04:55
Speaker 9: Yeah, because Audi dealing doesn't get Hose.
1:04:58
Speaker 2: Well, he's a he's a punk at home dude. He's
1:05:00
Speaker 2: not putting in the real work.
1:05:02
Speaker 10: He also milkchick. That's milkshake, Taylor. You've you've been hearing
1:05:06
Speaker 10: milkshake around the office, same guy.
1:05:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I understand. And milkchick getting hit with that
1:05:12
Speaker 2: work life balance.
1:05:13
Speaker 4: Jackson over here is sitting like a flash bang just
1:05:15
Speaker 4: went off in his ear, Like we we wrap it up.
1:05:19
Speaker 2: No, almost, go ahead and finish your thoughts I was
1:05:21
Speaker 2: just in his ear or some ship like that. Right now,
1:05:27
Speaker 2: Mark telling Milchick about like he's like, man, it's just work, man,
1:05:31
Speaker 2: Like I'm just gonna take today, and it's like it's
1:05:33
Speaker 2: hitting miltcheck that he sacrifices absolutely everything for this company
1:05:36
Speaker 2: that continues to be little him and pat him on
1:05:39
Speaker 2: the head and say, hey, get in line, Miltchick's gonna flip,
1:05:42
Speaker 2: and it's it's all starting to come to.
1:05:44
Speaker 9: Yeah, he already flipped on the one guy that was like,
1:05:46
Speaker 9: that's your job.
1:05:48
Speaker 2: Devour feculence.
1:05:50
Speaker 9: What does that mean, Taylor.
1:05:53
Speaker 2: Eat something ship feculence. Yeah, eat shippecespecs. Mister Drummond, Dude,
1:06:00
Speaker 2: I love.
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Speaker 9: The edit that you sitting in last night, Chirm Dude.
1:06:07
Speaker 4: You know what I love about you, the fucking intentional
1:06:11
Speaker 4: words you put in sometimes, like I know when you
1:06:13
Speaker 4: like something, I always will know when you really truly
1:06:16
Speaker 4: enjoy something.
1:06:17
Speaker 2: I love this show that it's so amazing.
1:06:21
Speaker 4: It's like one of my favorite qualities of yours is
1:06:23
Speaker 4: the passion in your voice when you truly into something.
1:06:26
Speaker 2: Thanks that is season finale. This week's in Miss Wong,
1:06:31
Speaker 2: the way they kind of treated her tonight. Just go
1:06:33
Speaker 2: to your thing and you see that everybody's like this.
1:06:35
Speaker 2: These are raw moments of she's actually a child. The
1:06:38
Speaker 2: way they're kind of passing around. You're going to take
1:06:39
Speaker 2: this shuttle and you can see the little bit of
1:06:41
Speaker 2: fear she has of just being young. Dude. Again, the
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Speaker 2: show is is all time and the Little Nuggets It's again.
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Speaker 2: The Severn's fan club followed on on on x is
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Speaker 2: follow me, follow me at Underscore, Will Compton both Instagram
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Speaker 2: x TikTok. All right, we're back. Oh speaking to TikTok.
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Speaker 2: We might as well just shut out the boys follow us.
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Speaker 2: Oh are we really? Dude? Well, let me ask you
1:07:07
Speaker 2: a question.
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Speaker 4: First off, I know kind of said this while we
1:07:11
Speaker 4: was talking love these que cards slippery thet I've kind
1:07:15
Speaker 4: of they've been fumbling.
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Speaker 2: It was good method. Like we've read the Bojangles, we
1:07:19
Speaker 2: gotta throw them on the ground. Yeah see, I'm not
1:07:21
Speaker 2: doing that. I'm all, I'm all mixed up when I
1:07:22
Speaker 2: want to read the bow Jangles. But let me ask
1:07:24
Speaker 2: you a question.
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Speaker 4: What does a mechanic and an auto shop owner in Georgia,
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Speaker 2: Thanks man, you know I've been doing a little bit.
1:08:16
Speaker 2: Is I've actually.
1:08:18
Speaker 4: Well yeah, I've actually I start reading the Q cards
1:08:22
Speaker 4: before the show. So my brain's like, you've done this before, buddy,
1:08:25
Speaker 4: Like you just keep on keeping on. You've seen these words,
1:08:27
Speaker 4: you've been a part of these words. Don't let them
1:08:30
Speaker 4: get you terrible. And I haven't done a fucking thing
1:08:32
Speaker 4: for my to get the lasik or whatever it needs.
1:08:34
Speaker 6: To be Donebility, you know what the problem is?
1:08:37
Speaker 4: Done with that one too, and that one. You know
1:08:38
Speaker 4: what the problem is is, I'm gonna do the lay
1:08:42
Speaker 4: Sick and then my wife sends me a bunch of
1:08:43
Speaker 4: horror stories on lay sick and now I'm scared of
1:08:46
Speaker 4: lay Sick.
1:08:46
Speaker 2: I'm still gonna do it, but I'm a little I'm
1:08:50
Speaker 2: a little afraid now.
1:08:50
Speaker 4: And then something about like being on the podcast and
1:08:52
Speaker 4: just kind of maybe it doesn't go right.
1:08:55
Speaker 6: Comes to doing that.
1:08:57
Speaker 2: Okay, it mustache coming at my wife.
1:09:01
Speaker 8: No, Taylor's awesome, but it's like, hey, you know, I'm
1:09:02
Speaker 8: gonna try it. I'm trying to do this. Why are
1:09:04
Speaker 8: you gonna make me scared of doing it?
1:09:05
Speaker 4: But my wife is a nervous version of me, which
1:09:08
Speaker 4: I need because if my wife was like me, I
1:09:11
Speaker 4: would be we'd be dead.
1:09:13
Speaker 2: We would essentially be dead. It wouldn't be overdone with
1:09:16
Speaker 2: that one too. You know who is seeing the field? Well,
1:09:20
Speaker 2: who's seen the field? Well the Cincinnati Bengals. You know,
1:09:22
Speaker 2: before we go to Cincinnati Bengals, I want to say
1:09:24
Speaker 2: something about TV shows. Okay, okay, Florid.
1:09:28
Speaker 4: I just sat here for fifteen minutes and I just
1:09:30
Speaker 4: heard gibberish Season four of Shorsy it's out and I'm
1:09:34
Speaker 4: almost all the way through. Jack, have you looked into
1:09:36
Speaker 4: it at all?
1:09:37
Speaker 7: I've seen the first episode and a HALFSD episode two,
1:09:41
Speaker 7: and then like five minutes of the.
1:09:42
Speaker 2: Third Big transition season. Yeah, big transition.
1:09:45
Speaker 4: It's all about Shorzy. He's getting away from hockey for
1:09:47
Speaker 4: the first time. He's anybody who's ever played sports, whether
1:09:50
Speaker 4: a high school, college or in the professional league. Eventually
1:09:53
Speaker 4: you got to hang it up.
1:09:54
Speaker 2: Now.
1:09:54
Speaker 4: Shories is in this nice ger not nice career, this tough,
1:09:57
Speaker 4: greer area where he's trying to figure out what's next
1:09:59
Speaker 4: for me. That's gonna fil the void that one of
1:10:00
Speaker 4: what I once was. And it's a fight boys.
1:10:03
Speaker 2: Is he listening to Busting with the Boys? I hope so.
1:10:06
Speaker 4: Jered Keyser needs to be on this bus. He needs it,
1:10:09
Speaker 4: and they could just be him sitting there because we'll
1:10:11
Speaker 4: be like, hey, have you seen the show?
1:10:12
Speaker 2: And I was like, no, Okay, get off, we need
1:10:15
Speaker 2: to I'm done to listen to this show though, you
1:10:17
Speaker 2: know what I mean. I'm done to sit there like
1:10:18
Speaker 2: yourself in severance and talk through it. Uh yeah, I
1:10:21
Speaker 2: feel like I was.
1:10:22
Speaker 4: We did it one time and I sat over there
1:10:23
Speaker 4: and that was fun. And now it's become like a
1:10:25
Speaker 4: weekly thing for you guys, and I know next week
1:10:27
Speaker 4: I'll sit on this show again. Well you guys break
1:10:29
Speaker 4: down the finale and I have to hear Jack have
1:10:32
Speaker 4: tonightus again.
1:10:32
Speaker 2: In his ear? You know what it is too. All
1:10:34
Speaker 2: you need is that one comment that says love the
1:10:36
Speaker 2: severance talk. Yeah, just one, for sure.
1:10:39
Speaker 4: We can have forty that's say stop at the severance talk.
1:10:42
Speaker 4: But if one guy is like love the Severance talk,
1:10:44
Speaker 4: it's not going anywhere.
1:10:45
Speaker 2: Yep, it's not going anywhere. But that's all I say.
1:10:48
Speaker 9: I think I'm gonna dive in once we get through
1:10:50
Speaker 9: March Madness and Severance is over. So I'm starting at
1:10:53
Speaker 9: season one.
1:10:54
Speaker 2: People don't know how big that is. That's huge.
1:10:57
Speaker 4: It's been a year and a half of us talking
1:10:59
Speaker 4: to Garret about get let's go, Yeah, getting on shore,
1:11:03
Speaker 4: Because buddy, I'm just telling you that's you will love
1:11:06
Speaker 4: that show. If I know my g baby the way
1:11:08
Speaker 4: I know my g baby, G Baby's gonna love that show,
1:11:11
Speaker 4: You're gonna love it.
1:11:12
Speaker 9: I can't wait.
1:11:13
Speaker 4: It sounds like you can March Madness seven and then
1:11:17
Speaker 4: after that.
1:11:17
Speaker 9: I can wait.
1:11:18
Speaker 4: Yeah, he can wait, but not for very long. Yeah,
1:11:20
Speaker 4: it's gotta be in this year, this calendar year, right now.
1:11:23
Speaker 4: But go ahead, talk football. Will, Bengals are doing great.
1:11:26
Speaker 4: I was just gonna say, I'm talking about lazy.
1:11:28
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, where can we find a little transition
1:11:30
Speaker 2: to talks NFL talk?
1:11:31
Speaker 4: You know who's seeing the field Will? Yeah, the Cincinnati Bengals.
1:11:34
Speaker 4: I don't think they're seeing the field that well.
1:11:36
Speaker 2: I think they're starting to.
1:11:38
Speaker 4: I think they understand they have key pieces they have
1:11:40
Speaker 4: to keep in the locker room. I think Jamar, Chase
1:11:43
Speaker 4: T Higgins, Joe Burrow, those guys all deserve the contracts
1:11:46
Speaker 4: they have.
1:11:47
Speaker 7: If you go to our Twitter or Instagram, you can
1:11:49
Speaker 7: pull up a graphic that our amazing graphic designer Cooper made,
1:11:53
Speaker 7: but shows how much money that LSU.
1:11:56
Speaker 4: Team six and sixty six million dollars.
1:11:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, it hasn't guaranteed.
1:12:00
Speaker 4: Derek Stanley Junior to signed a three year, sixty million,
1:12:04
Speaker 4: three year years. Okay, so three year, ninety million dollar
1:12:08
Speaker 4: deal then. But that Yeah, that team, that team just
1:12:11
Speaker 4: in a numbers value is probably proving to be the
1:12:14
Speaker 4: greatest team of all time, like that was it twenty nineteen,
1:12:18
Speaker 4: twenty nineteen LSU team. That is insane. But let me
1:12:21
Speaker 4: get back on my Bengals take for just a one
1:12:22
Speaker 4: more second. I love the fact that they're keeping these
1:12:25
Speaker 4: these pillars on their team. However, your team wasn't very
1:12:29
Speaker 4: good last year from a record standpoint. Your defense was
1:12:31
Speaker 4: not very good last year. Joe Burrow as amazing as
1:12:34
Speaker 4: he was, and it probably had the numbers to win
1:12:35
Speaker 4: the MVP. They couldn't get in the playoffs. They had
1:12:38
Speaker 4: themselves in a situation where they did not control their
1:12:40
Speaker 4: own destiny in December. So now you got to get better.
1:12:44
Speaker 4: You're keeping the pieces you need, but you're also letting
1:12:46
Speaker 4: Trey Hendrickson walk away, who is a stud for your team.
1:12:48
Speaker 4: He's an all pro.
1:12:49
Speaker 2: Type of guy.
1:12:49
Speaker 4: He's got to get to the quarterback on a consistent basis.
1:12:52
Speaker 4: He is now a disgruntled employee. He wants to go
1:12:54
Speaker 4: somewhere else he probably will, and now you have a
1:12:58
Speaker 4: worse defense. The hub retired, Yeah Hubbard, the Cincinnati kid.
1:13:03
Speaker 2: Who had a great highlight like walk away from the
1:13:06
Speaker 2: game video. Do you see it. Phenomenal stuff.
1:13:08
Speaker 4: Little mini JJ Watt, Yeah, walking around there with a
1:13:10
Speaker 4: little biotical arm. But I just think, yeah, you got
1:13:13
Speaker 4: you gotta add pieces. I looked in they added like
1:13:15
Speaker 4: some fifth year DT who was a fifth round pick
1:13:18
Speaker 4: from the Packers. Other than that, not a whole lot
1:13:20
Speaker 4: of movement and free agency for their defensive on the
1:13:23
Speaker 4: defensive side of the ball.
1:13:25
Speaker 2: Which I get.
1:13:26
Speaker 4: I get you want to keep those pieces, but boys,
1:13:28
Speaker 4: we gotta we gotta strengthen that defense up if you
1:13:31
Speaker 4: want to be if you want your your defense to
1:13:33
Speaker 4: be on the same level as your offense. Your offense
1:13:35
Speaker 4: is incredible. And by the way, there's like one hundred
1:13:37
Speaker 4: and fifty million dollars on the receivers in the quarterback
1:13:41
Speaker 4: and then I think their whole offensive line and is
1:13:43
Speaker 4: like at like sixty nine million. We need to spruce
1:13:46
Speaker 4: those numbers up a little bit too.
1:13:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they still have holes. But if you
1:13:49
Speaker 2: look at last year, like, yeah, they had a very
1:13:51
Speaker 2: bad defense. To me, I don't think you can go
1:13:52
Speaker 2: anywhere butt up, even though you're losing these perennial players
1:13:55
Speaker 2: like Trey and Sam Hubbard, because with Trey, it's like
1:13:59
Speaker 2: you can only pay so many guys that at a
1:14:01
Speaker 2: number there that they're going to be happy about. And
1:14:04
Speaker 2: this offense, the way that they were performing, like even
1:14:06
Speaker 2: though they didn't make the playoffs, they were still like
1:14:08
Speaker 2: on that back end of the season, they were like
1:14:09
Speaker 2: a playoff contending team. They were for they were zero
1:14:12
Speaker 2: and four on like walk off field goals. So again
1:14:15
Speaker 2: it just comes down to a last second kick with
1:14:17
Speaker 2: a brutal defense. Again they have they had guys on
1:14:21
Speaker 2: that defense, but as a unit they were very bad.
1:14:24
Speaker 2: And so now they know that they can just get
1:14:26
Speaker 2: to work on getting young and getting good on defense
1:14:30
Speaker 2: because they were as good as they were on offense
1:14:32
Speaker 2: last year. And both of these wide receivers are playing
1:14:35
Speaker 2: when they're kind of disgruntled about what their future is
1:14:37
Speaker 2: with the team that they want to commit to them,
1:14:39
Speaker 2: now they know this team is committed to them. Joe
1:14:41
Speaker 2: Burrows happy because there was a rumor a week or
1:14:43
Speaker 2: two ago about, hey, if Bengals aren't doing the right thing,
1:14:46
Speaker 2: Joe be might be asked to trade and who knows
1:14:48
Speaker 2: if that was even real or not. But now that
1:14:50
Speaker 2: they've solidified these pieces on offense, they know that they
1:14:54
Speaker 2: have to get better on defense, and I think, you know,
1:14:56
Speaker 2: you start trying to find these cats in the middle tier,
1:14:58
Speaker 2: lower tier free agency that can help your team out
1:15:00
Speaker 2: play good defensive football, and then you're gonna have to
1:15:02
Speaker 2: You're gonna have to win in the draft. But I
1:15:04
Speaker 2: still think that they're set up in a very good
1:15:05
Speaker 2: position to grow off the year that they had last year,
1:15:08
Speaker 2: now that they got their receivers happy. And again they
1:15:11
Speaker 2: did lose these key pieces on defense, but defense was
1:15:13
Speaker 2: a question mark for them anyway. Like if signing is
1:15:15
Speaker 2: signing Trey Back going to make your defense better, Like, yeah,
1:15:18
Speaker 2: if he's not on the team, like you get a
1:15:20
Speaker 2: little worse there. But again, you already know you have
1:15:22
Speaker 2: a lot to fix defensively anyway. You can't just pay
1:15:24
Speaker 2: a guy like Trey try to get to some number
1:15:26
Speaker 2: that they might compromise on. And he's still a little
1:15:28
Speaker 2: discrinnled and pissed off kind of doing his own thing
1:15:30
Speaker 2: on the defensive front, just thinking about sacks. Yeah, you
1:15:32
Speaker 2: need some guys to play team defense on the Bengals
1:15:35
Speaker 2: because it's not hey, we're not gonna lean on you.
1:15:37
Speaker 2: You know, you want the room thinking, hey, let's lean
1:15:39
Speaker 2: on us to win games. But you just need you
1:15:42
Speaker 2: need guys playing team defense in Cincinnati, because that offense
1:15:45
Speaker 2: is what's gonna win you these games because you got
1:15:47
Speaker 2: a killer under center, and you got these weapons now
1:15:49
Speaker 2: on the outside. And it's like I think about the time,
1:15:51
Speaker 2: it's like them signing Jamar Chase and t Higgins. It
1:15:54
Speaker 2: like gets back to the years of when you know
1:15:56
Speaker 2: terrell O and Jinotcho Sinco were on the same team,
1:15:58
Speaker 2: or you had these these supers our receivers, Like they
1:16:00
Speaker 2: have two contracts out that are in like the top
1:16:02
Speaker 2: five wide receivers. A very happy offense. Yeah, you got
1:16:05
Speaker 2: to get a little bit better on the offensive line.
1:16:07
Speaker 2: You of course have to pour in defensively, but I
1:16:09
Speaker 2: think that they've established like the cornerstones now, the cornerstones
1:16:12
Speaker 2: that were already there are now extremely happy that they're
1:16:15
Speaker 2: getting paid. So I think it's just gonna build good
1:16:16
Speaker 2: juju going into this year.
1:16:18
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're definitely the offensive set of the ball. There's
1:16:20
Speaker 4: there's good juju. And you brot up a good point.
1:16:21
Speaker 4: This might be my offensive bias, but you don't necessarily
1:16:24
Speaker 4: need to break off.
1:16:26
Speaker 2: Your your defense. You just need eleven guys playing as one.
1:16:29
Speaker 4: Everyone has to understand on what they do how they
1:16:31
Speaker 4: do it edge wall swarms as you need eleven Willie
1:16:36
Speaker 4: seeds with a better tam.
1:16:37
Speaker 2: It's all you need.
1:16:38
Speaker 4: You need eleven guys with a will Compton mentality and
1:16:41
Speaker 4: a little bit more of a tan from an athletic
1:16:43
Speaker 4: ability standpoint, and you're rolling.
1:16:44
Speaker 2: Yeah right there your top.
1:16:47
Speaker 4: You need a couple of guys that can rush the
1:16:49
Speaker 4: passer because you can't be putting corners in safeties. Will
1:16:52
Speaker 4: you see corners and safeties and positions to be covering
1:16:55
Speaker 4: all day long? Yeah, you got to get to the quarterback.
1:16:57
Speaker 4: You can do that with exotic blitzes and stuff, but
1:16:59
Speaker 4: you much they have four guys that can powerhouse their
1:17:01
Speaker 4: way to a quarterback.
1:17:02
Speaker 2: Now you know a team that needs to make a
1:17:04
Speaker 2: move or it needs their move to happen is the
1:17:06
Speaker 2: Steelers Rogers in my opinion, because you're looking at a
1:17:11
Speaker 2: really good AFC North, especially if the Steelers get Aaron Rodgers.
1:17:14
Speaker 2: You got the Ravens, the Bengals, the Steelers. Of course
1:17:19
Speaker 2: the Browns with the Browns, they're not gonna browns, are
1:17:21
Speaker 2: gonna browns.
1:17:22
Speaker 4: The Browns are gonna brown And I think it's I
1:17:25
Speaker 4: love these edge Rushers, these Max Crosby's, these Miles Garretts,
1:17:30
Speaker 4: these these guys no, no, no, these guys that are not uh,
1:17:35
Speaker 4: these guys that are like, I'm mad about where I'm
1:17:37
Speaker 4: at and then they get broke off. They're like, never
1:17:39
Speaker 4: wanted to leave. Actually, I love It's a game of chess.
1:17:43
Speaker 4: It's a beautiful game of chess. And I think that's
1:17:45
Speaker 4: awesome because that at the end of the day, we
1:17:47
Speaker 4: want our boys to get paid. Yeah, Miles Garrett needs
1:17:49
Speaker 4: to bring his big piece on this podcast. Yeah, and
1:17:52
Speaker 4: we need to show them that photo and be like
1:17:53
Speaker 4: is this real or is this Grays? Yeah, just Grace. Yeah,
1:17:58
Speaker 4: that would actually, well you think, what do you think of.
1:18:00
Speaker 2: The u the rumor or the headline with Aaron Rodgers
1:18:04
Speaker 2: and the Vikings.
1:18:07
Speaker 4: I don't know, it'd be cool for the story because
1:18:09
Speaker 4: he's then he's following the exact footsteps of Brett Farv.
1:18:12
Speaker 4: But it didn't work out that great for Brett Farv.
1:18:16
Speaker 4: I like I I like him in it, but I
1:18:19
Speaker 4: like like Aaron Rodgers.
1:18:21
Speaker 2: I feel like still has more.
1:18:23
Speaker 4: I believe he has more train in the tires than
1:18:24
Speaker 4: people believe he has. I think he's still that guy
1:18:28
Speaker 4: and he needs a good room. And I think the
1:18:30
Speaker 4: Steelers make so much sense to me to have DK
1:18:32
Speaker 4: Metcalf Pickens, George Pickens and Buddy Justin Jefferson. I understand O'Connell.
1:18:41
Speaker 4: If it's me, I would want to write my own
1:18:43
Speaker 4: story a little bit differently. It's just I think it's
1:18:45
Speaker 4: just because the Brett Farr progression. I love Tomlin too.
1:18:49
Speaker 4: I think I love I love to fit for the stairs.
1:18:51
Speaker 4: Obviously he's gonna do what he wants. And there are
1:18:53
Speaker 4: the rumors that Aaron Rodgers is kind of just waiting
1:18:54
Speaker 4: on the vikings. But I think you got JJ sitting there.
1:18:58
Speaker 2: Uh.
1:18:58
Speaker 4: Pat Mahomes comes out and says, JJ mcarthy has the
1:19:01
Speaker 4: best arm he's seen it in forever. He can make
1:19:03
Speaker 4: all the throws, all the things, and it's like.
1:19:05
Speaker 2: You have those weapons.
1:19:06
Speaker 4: It's a great learning curve for a guy like JJ McCarthy,
1:19:09
Speaker 4: who's it'll be his first year starting. He saw Sam
1:19:11
Speaker 4: Darnold how the success he did. He's got the guys
1:19:13
Speaker 4: you just said as weapons to dish it out to
1:19:15
Speaker 4: and allow them to make the plays to build his confidence,
1:19:18
Speaker 4: like why not why not go with this kid?
1:19:20
Speaker 2: Liss? They know something that we don't know. That's probably
1:19:22
Speaker 2: what's taking so long for the Vikings to get back,
1:19:24
Speaker 2: because it is. It's like, if you're Aaron Rodgers, I
1:19:27
Speaker 2: think the Vikings would be the better fit over these
1:19:29
Speaker 2: teams that are trying to get Aaron Rodgers because again,
1:19:31
Speaker 2: you're going into an offense that goes with O'Connell, Wes Phillips,
1:19:36
Speaker 2: you got Brian Flores as a decoordinator. Like, that's a
1:19:38
Speaker 2: defense that's going to continue to just get better. They're
1:19:40
Speaker 2: already very aggressive, Like you're going in a situation that's
1:19:44
Speaker 2: prime for a run the Steelers, Like, yeah, they've gotten better,
1:19:49
Speaker 2: but again, who knows how much. If you're Aaron Rodgers
1:19:52
Speaker 2: looking at it, and you're looking at the Steelers and
1:19:53
Speaker 2: the Vikings, I just think the Vikings would be a
1:19:56
Speaker 2: better situation to go into.
1:19:58
Speaker 4: And it's at the end of the world, it might
1:20:01
Speaker 4: be a better situation for JJ if Aaron comes in.
1:20:04
Speaker 4: I never got to learn from a vet that's been
1:20:06
Speaker 4: there for a while. Hopefully Aaron takes a leadership role
1:20:09
Speaker 4: and be like, all right, I'll bring this guy along
1:20:11
Speaker 4: with me.
1:20:11
Speaker 2: Let's see how it goes. But yeah, I honestly think
1:20:14
Speaker 2: this is the last year for Aaron. I mean very
1:20:17
Speaker 2: well could be. Yeah, you were talking about just Tredd
1:20:19
Speaker 2: on the tire. I'm thinking what maybe two years max.
1:20:22
Speaker 2: But this is a this is a one year all
1:20:25
Speaker 2: in situation for whichever team's trying to get him. Yeah, yea,
1:20:28
Speaker 2: So maybe it could benefit JJ, but I'm sure that's
1:20:31
Speaker 2: probably what's taking the Viking so long as they're having
1:20:33
Speaker 2: all of these conversations to see, like what kind of
1:20:35
Speaker 2: move that they could make for Aaron Rodgers. He'll be
1:20:38
Speaker 2: turning what forty two at the end of this year. Yeah, ripping,
1:20:41
Speaker 2: he's getting up there, but he can still spin it.
1:20:44
Speaker 4: He can spin it, and he's got he's got some
1:20:46
Speaker 4: savviness about him. Yeah, he's got about him.
1:20:50
Speaker 2: I get you. You're you're talking about Tomlin, who's much
1:20:53
Speaker 2: more of a defensive minded guy. Yeah, but Arthur Smith,
1:20:56
Speaker 2: like that would be a great combination. And then you
1:20:58
Speaker 2: look at the Vikings. You got Phillips and got O'Connell,
1:21:00
Speaker 2: like that is an offensive mentality right there to where
1:21:04
Speaker 2: they're just level two. They're just operating level two and three.
1:21:07
Speaker 2: And again you got these cats that have been that
1:21:09
Speaker 2: have played for those coaches and been in the system.
1:21:11
Speaker 2: You got a dog and Justin Jefferson as you're one.
1:21:14
Speaker 2: Yeah you do have pickens and DK, but you know,
1:21:16
Speaker 2: j Justin JJ is about that life in ball Addison,
1:21:21
Speaker 2: Aaron Jones, I mean you have some weapons studs. Yeah,
1:21:25
Speaker 2: I'm I'm with you.
1:21:27
Speaker 4: I just see like everyone's conversation revolves around Aaron Rodgers,
1:21:30
Speaker 4: not as talent, a little bit of better of his age,
1:21:32
Speaker 4: but mostly it's about all the extracurriculars that go on
1:21:35
Speaker 4: around him. Maybe be able to talk about the distraction
1:21:37
Speaker 4: of the Pat McAfee show and all these things. I've never
1:21:39
Speaker 4: seen a coach like Tomlin handle those type of situations.
1:21:42
Speaker 4: You go back to Leveon Bell, Antonio Brown, like having
1:21:46
Speaker 4: those types guys, the Pouncy Brothers, Alejandra Villanoeva, all these
1:21:49
Speaker 4: unique and different personalities under one roof. It seems like
1:21:52
Speaker 4: Tomlin is a guy that can always keep the boat
1:21:54
Speaker 4: level in those situations. And I think that's why he
1:21:57
Speaker 4: would mess show well with Aaron Rodgers and get the
1:21:59
Speaker 4: best a just allowing him to do the X, Y
1:22:01
Speaker 4: and Z things, let him run the playbook he wants
1:22:04
Speaker 4: to run. I know I've seen Arthur Smith sit down
1:22:08
Speaker 4: with Ryan Tannehill before games and Tannehill bluntly going, I
1:22:11
Speaker 4: don't want this play called. I want this play call
1:22:13
Speaker 4: makes you call this on that, And you listen to
1:22:15
Speaker 4: those conversations and you go into the game and you
1:22:18
Speaker 4: realize the situations that Ryan was talking about with Smith
1:22:20
Speaker 4: are now being called and we're having success from that.
1:22:22
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:22:22
Speaker 4: So Arthur does a great job of collaborating with his
1:22:25
Speaker 4: quarterbacks and just allowing things to kind of come to him,
1:22:28
Speaker 4: which is awesome.
1:22:29
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I like it.
1:22:31
Speaker 4: I mean, good options all around. Yeah, but the Minnesota
1:22:34
Speaker 4: can't be.
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Speaker 2: tear talk of best wingmen in the game. Taylor, You've
1:26:03
Speaker 2: looked in you had a smile on your face that
1:26:05
Speaker 2: you might be ready to roll. Yeah, I feel good
1:26:07
Speaker 2: about mine. Yeah, I feel strong about mine. Saw this
1:26:10
Speaker 2: last night and I immediately got.
1:26:12
Speaker 4: On got on my phone and started looking up the
1:26:15
Speaker 4: greatest waymen in pop culture history, and I realized that
1:26:18
Speaker 4: the answer has been in.
1:26:18
Speaker 2: Front of me the whole time.
1:26:19
Speaker 4: Oh please, So my Tier three is going to go
1:26:23
Speaker 4: to Doug Glatt. Doug the thug Glatt the movie Goon.
1:26:29
Speaker 4: He is the greatest wingmen of all time.
1:26:32
Speaker 2: La Flem.
1:26:33
Speaker 4: He is a goal scoring hawk on the on the Highlanders,
1:26:38
Speaker 4: and he can he can shoot and score, but he's
1:26:39
Speaker 4: lost a little bit confidence after he took a big hit.
1:26:41
Speaker 4: Doug the thug Glat comes in and protects him, bringing
1:26:44
Speaker 4: his confidence back to a whole new level, willing to
1:26:47
Speaker 4: make the sacrifices physically so his boys can make the
1:26:50
Speaker 4: goals finessely. So I have to give Doug the thug
1:26:53
Speaker 4: Glatt my tier three when it comes to wingmen. My
1:26:56
Speaker 4: tier two could have easily been Tier one. By the
1:26:59
Speaker 4: way this is, this is like a one A one
1:27:01
Speaker 4: B for me is gonna go to Jeremy Gray wedding Crashers.
1:27:06
Speaker 4: That is Vince Vaughan's character, a man who has the
1:27:09
Speaker 4: moves he does, tells the jokes he does. He rambles
1:27:12
Speaker 4: on and lays on the sword for Owen Wilson John,
1:27:15
Speaker 4: his character John, while he's trying to court this woman
1:27:18
Speaker 4: over and over again and eventually finding love along the way.
1:27:22
Speaker 4: There's not a better wayman than that, except for my
1:27:24
Speaker 4: tier one. Now, my tier one is a real individual.
1:27:29
Speaker 4: I've seen so many times. This man close for his boys,
1:27:33
Speaker 4: whether it was college or high school or wherever. He's
1:27:35
Speaker 4: talked about it on Bad Friends podcast. My Tier one
1:27:39
Speaker 4: is myself. I am the greatest man all of all time.
1:27:45
Speaker 1: No Mooch.
1:27:46
Speaker 4: I've done work for mooch too. I've done work for
1:27:48
Speaker 4: all my boys. Dude, there's nothing about a shameless friend
1:27:51
Speaker 4: that's willing to walk over to anyone at any time
1:27:54
Speaker 4: and tell them, Hey, I'm here for you, but not
1:27:56
Speaker 4: just me. My boy's more here for you than anybody
1:27:58
Speaker 4: else could ever be in their entire life. Walk with me,
1:28:00
Speaker 4: talk with me, and I'm gonna bring you over to them.
1:28:03
Speaker 4: Have a couple of drinks, see where the night goes.
1:28:06
Speaker 4: At a high percentage too. That at a high percentage,
1:28:09
Speaker 4: not to mention. Also from a recruiting standpoint at the
1:28:11
Speaker 4: University of Michigan, I only lost one guy ever, all right,
1:28:14
Speaker 4: I only lost one guy in the recruiting pitch.
1:28:18
Speaker 2: So that's my tear.
1:28:18
Speaker 11: Talk manself to Tier one self glaze very.
1:28:29
Speaker 10: Safe week to do that with no JP on the
1:28:31
Speaker 10: bus that could have been.
1:28:33
Speaker 4: I thought about putting Patrick Starrs my honorable mention for
1:28:35
Speaker 4: JP as a tip of the Katha JP, I have
1:28:42
Speaker 4: some tears.
1:28:43
Speaker 2: I want to hear your word first.
1:28:47
Speaker 12: Solid, well done, hyphenated, hyphenated, big guys.
1:29:01
Speaker 2: Mhm, vain but good though, vain but in a good way. Yeah.
1:29:12
Speaker 4: Yeah, all big guys is a good comment. Gee, that's
1:29:14
Speaker 4: really that's detailed, that's thought out, big guys.
1:29:18
Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure out how to how to rate them,
1:29:21
Speaker 2: how to rate my three? Right now? I love them all.
1:29:23
Speaker 2: Take a moment, take a second, not too long, though,
1:29:36
Speaker 2: I think you have to. My tier three is going
1:29:39
Speaker 2: to be Vince Vaughan from Wedding Crashers. Wow.
1:29:42
Speaker 4: Sorry, well you think that's low, you have the floor
1:29:48
Speaker 4: we get we can break all that.
1:29:49
Speaker 2: You think that's low? Yeah, I mean vis Vaughan incredible
1:29:54
Speaker 2: waiting Crashers, the maneuvering he does, Yes, the boost talking
1:30:00
Speaker 2: out out you on my hair, just a tip, just
1:30:02
Speaker 2: for a second, just to see how it feels. I think. Uh,
1:30:08
Speaker 2: Vince Vaughn is my three, my two and man, I
1:30:12
Speaker 2: don't want to say this, but I'm gonna go with
1:30:16
Speaker 2: the boy. I'm gonna go with the boy Taylor, and
1:30:20
Speaker 2: he's right, like I have zero experience with him, but
1:30:23
Speaker 2: I you just you see the man work, and this
1:30:26
Speaker 2: is a guy you talk about no quit fight at
1:30:30
Speaker 2: the end if he were to get a challenge like that.
1:30:33
Speaker 2: I do think. I do think it is Taylor, Like Taylor,
1:30:37
Speaker 2: Taylor is up there. I mean, you're Tier two. And honestly,
1:30:42
Speaker 2: it pained me to hear you tell yourself tier one,
1:30:45
Speaker 2: because honestly I was about to put you there. Really,
1:30:47
Speaker 2: I was kind of helping you go first with the
1:30:50
Speaker 2: hope that a go ahead, go ahead.
1:30:52
Speaker 4: I'm all smiles right now to my cheeks hurt.
1:30:54
Speaker 2: But yeah, man, I think it's you. I think again
1:30:57
Speaker 2: a lot like Vince Vaughn, you know, very first pot
1:31:00
Speaker 2: I guess we did on OTP. Like my comparison for you,
1:31:02
Speaker 2: like personality wise and everything else was is Vince Vaughan
1:31:05
Speaker 2: out of like a wedding crasher's movie. And I think
1:31:07
Speaker 2: you operate on that kind of level. And I give
1:31:09
Speaker 2: you the nod because I have a personable relationship with you,
1:31:12
Speaker 2: So I give you the nod over Vince Vaughn and Vincy.
1:31:14
Speaker 2: If you're out there watching my Tier one's gonna be
1:31:19
Speaker 2: none other than Barney Stinson from How I Met Your Mother.
1:31:23
Speaker 2: I think Barney Stinson is yeah, have you met Ted.
1:31:29
Speaker 2: He's just he's a wordsmith. He's suited. He's like, let's
1:31:32
Speaker 2: suit up. He's got a theme for all of it.
1:31:34
Speaker 2: When you're stepping out, he's like, let's get let's get
1:31:36
Speaker 2: suited up, let's get suits on. He's got a closet
1:31:38
Speaker 2: full of them. And he's just That show How I
1:31:40
Speaker 2: Met Your Mother was It's probably my favorite sitcom. And
1:31:44
Speaker 2: I think we've done tier talk before on sitcoms, and
1:31:46
Speaker 2: I do believe How I Met Your Mother might have
1:31:48
Speaker 2: been my number one. But I love that show and
1:31:51
Speaker 2: I love the character of Barney Stinson and I think
1:31:54
Speaker 2: that guy is the number one wing man of the game.
1:31:56
Speaker 2: And if you ever had a night out or had
1:31:57
Speaker 2: the ability to have one with them, I think you
1:32:01
Speaker 2: it would be a memory that you never forget in
1:32:02
Speaker 2: your life. And so that's my tear talk.
1:32:05
Speaker 9: I'm watching How I Met Your Mother for the first
1:32:07
Speaker 9: time right now, season four, so I'm very happy. I
1:32:12
Speaker 9: know what you're talking about.
1:32:14
Speaker 2: How great is that show? Phenomenal? It's so good, a
1:32:17
Speaker 2: good show. Ted is a bitch though it. Yeah, I
1:32:24
Speaker 2: don't like how much. I think he's a little.
1:32:27
Speaker 4: He has his moments and in all the moments I'm
1:32:30
Speaker 4: thinking about in my head of him being a bitch
1:32:32
Speaker 4: I have actually done myself. But still it's watching it.
1:32:35
Speaker 4: It's like, God, damn it. Man, he's the vulnerable one,
1:32:38
Speaker 4: and you can be vulnerable, you can be you can
1:32:40
Speaker 4: be vulnerable yet dangerous. You can feel strong, you'd have
1:32:43
Speaker 4: a soft size, you can have all the things.
1:32:45
Speaker 2: It just shows, but then the side side characters aren't
1:32:48
Speaker 2: what they are unless ted is the way. You know
1:32:50
Speaker 2: what I mean? True? Well written, yeah, very well written.
1:32:53
Speaker 4: My one word, amazing, elite.
1:32:58
Speaker 2: Incredible, greatest you've ever done. Yeah, I have never had
1:33:02
Speaker 2: a better moment on this podcast.
1:33:04
Speaker 7: Hyphenated legend, wait for it, let's go Jack g G
1:33:12
Speaker 7: looked at me and he goes, wait for it, Darry,
1:33:14
Speaker 7: and then he asked the mic, I go, don't steal
1:33:16
Speaker 7: my So that's me and G's I guess tier two.
1:33:24
Speaker 9: That's my that's my hyphenated tier two.
1:33:29
Speaker 6: Damn good.
1:33:32
Speaker 2: The boys fuck not have been my favorite tear talking
1:33:36
Speaker 2: all the time, and that's you. Guys said that to him,
1:33:38
Speaker 2: thinking like, damn, that was a good teer talk, smiling
1:33:42
Speaker 2: and if I would have went first, I think you
1:33:44
Speaker 2: would have been the one really. Yeah, I just the
1:33:49
Speaker 2: double back you would add said kiss, because I think
1:33:52
Speaker 2: you got it.
1:33:53
Speaker 9: Man, I'm surprised you didn't put it like I.
1:33:55
Speaker 2: Just wanted to put a fictional character to in everybody,
1:33:58
Speaker 2: Like if you've watched How I Met Your Mother, everyone
1:34:00
Speaker 2: that Barney is only once Barney Stinton rolls off the tongue,
1:34:02
Speaker 2: it's gonna be.
1:34:06
Speaker 9: What's that Insprised you didn't dow Ryan Reynolds.
1:34:08
Speaker 2: And what like?
1:34:09
Speaker 9: Just in general?
1:34:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, the attention, but get away. Ryan
1:34:15
Speaker 2: Rods are kind of in a different It's a lot
1:34:17
Speaker 2: going on in the internet between Blake Laveling Ryan Reynolds.
1:34:20
Speaker 9: Oh really, should we dive into.
1:34:24
Speaker 2: Not the best? Yeah, not a good look for a boy,
1:34:27
Speaker 2: he continued.
1:34:28
Speaker 4: Yeah, can I see something without knowing nothing as something
1:34:32
Speaker 4: without knowing? I don't know any context at all about this. Yes,
1:34:35
Speaker 4: So I'm just gonna say something.
1:34:39
Speaker 2: I'm a fan of Brian Reynolds.
1:34:43
Speaker 4: Okay, that wasn't that was no, No, No, I wasn't gonna
1:34:46
Speaker 4: just regardless of what's happened, He's talented and like like stuff.
1:34:52
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, you thought we were No, I didn't know that's
1:34:55
Speaker 2: what I was. Oh no, I just.
1:34:57
Speaker 4: Feel like a lot of times, like a lot of
1:34:59
Speaker 4: times when this this this stuff happens, people just toss
1:35:01
Speaker 4: you out to the side. Ryan, I want you to
1:35:03
Speaker 4: know I'm still a fan.
1:35:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, yo yo, yeah right yeah, probably a beautiful piece. Yeah,
1:35:11
Speaker 2: I'm fired up about that. To your talk. You know
1:35:12
Speaker 2: who just missed the cut and again zero ex Joeys.
1:35:16
Speaker 2: But you just assume based on the stories and everything else. Delaney.
1:35:21
Speaker 7: Oh.
1:35:23
Speaker 2: Honorable mention to Delaney Walker. Yeah, good call, because I
1:35:27
Speaker 2: was like, do I want to go, like, you know,
1:35:28
Speaker 2: do I want to have two characters fictional? Because I'm
1:35:30
Speaker 2: sitting there, I'm thinking about thinking about Taylor, I'm thinking
1:35:33
Speaker 2: about Delaney. I'm even thinking about my boy Logan log Yeah. Bro,
1:35:37
Speaker 2: Like he's just got this spirit about him. He'll approach anybody,
1:35:39
Speaker 2: he'll approach any group and being on Bachelor parties and
1:35:42
Speaker 2: everything else with him, like he's just got that spirit
1:35:44
Speaker 2: about him to where it you know, he's not the
1:35:46
Speaker 2: most intimidating, but he just he has a confidence that
1:35:50
Speaker 2: it doesn't you know what I mean, you know, you
1:35:51
Speaker 2: know what it's like you might you might eye up
1:35:53
Speaker 2: a table of gals or a group of couple and
1:35:58
Speaker 2: the boys, and I'm one of them. You kind of
1:36:00
Speaker 2: wanted to where you're little, you're nervous dances. Yeah yeah, yeah,
1:36:03
Speaker 2: yeah yeah yeah. Like I'm one of the more nervous guys.
1:36:05
Speaker 2: I'm not like that. I'm not like a tailor. I'm
1:36:07
Speaker 2: not like the guys. It's like they don't think nothing
1:36:09
Speaker 2: of it. They have the confidence, they have the bravado
1:36:11
Speaker 2: and everything else. I don't know if it was the
1:36:12
Speaker 2: teeth I had when I was young, to where there's
1:36:14
Speaker 2: just like a festering that happens where it's like, hey,
1:36:17
Speaker 2: you know, how are we gonna how are we gonna
1:36:19
Speaker 2: go approach this group? And there's just a guy in
1:36:21
Speaker 2: the group that just has seems to have the confidence
1:36:24
Speaker 2: in the all the confidence in the world that just
1:36:26
Speaker 2: that they you're like game strategizing with the fellas. And
1:36:29
Speaker 2: then there's this one that's like, oh, yeah, why why
1:36:31
Speaker 2: are we spending so much time talking about this?
1:36:32
Speaker 9: He's already at the take, he's at the table, like
1:36:35
Speaker 9: why you're talking?
1:36:35
Speaker 2: He's leroys. Yeah, and he's got the you know, he's
1:36:38
Speaker 2: got the ladies coming over to where you're mixing it up,
1:36:40
Speaker 2: you're talking and everything else, and Logan's got that. He's
1:36:42
Speaker 2: got that ability.
1:36:43
Speaker 4: Shout out logan, because you need a guy. Yeah, you
1:36:46
Speaker 4: need a guy that hits. And a lot of times
1:36:48
Speaker 4: the guys that are like the type of confidence, they're
1:36:50
Speaker 4: in it for themselves.
1:36:52
Speaker 2: They like to go in.
1:36:53
Speaker 4: They know what they're doing, they know what their mission is. Yeah,
1:36:55
Speaker 4: it's a it's a different kind of guy. It's like
1:36:57
Speaker 4: trying to you gotta push it off this. Hey, this
1:37:00
Speaker 4: is how are you? Everything's good? Boom, pass the ball,
1:37:02
Speaker 4: to pass the ball to your boys.
1:37:03
Speaker 2: And but that ball ultimately comes back around. I mean,
1:37:08
Speaker 2: we're we're very happily married, but.
1:37:10
Speaker 4: No, I'm sorry to process the ball back around thing here.
1:37:14
Speaker 2: Like, yes, the the vibe you give off, it ultimately
1:37:16
Speaker 2: works back in your favor because you're making it all happen.
1:37:18
Speaker 4: You're you're like the guy that's facilitator.
1:37:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's facilitating a little thing. And then you know,
1:37:23
Speaker 2: the ladies start talking to that gentleman because they have
1:37:25
Speaker 2: the ability, they have that approachable ability, you know what
1:37:28
Speaker 2: I mean. I feel it's like the guys that are
1:37:31
Speaker 2: that are like us, you can get in your own
1:37:32
Speaker 2: head about how your game and your strategy is going
1:37:35
Speaker 2: to be and it's ultimately it's like a paralysis by analysis.
1:37:38
Speaker 2: You're like overthinking it. With the guys who can approach
1:37:40
Speaker 2: and do everything else, they're making it about a purpose
1:37:42
Speaker 2: bigger than themselves. But at the end of the day,
1:37:45
Speaker 2: that one that one can win. I'm never more beautifully
1:37:48
Speaker 2: done than again. Like Rob, Yeah, and I was gonna.
1:37:52
Speaker 4: Make no because I don't I've never seen him really
1:37:53
Speaker 4: be a wingman. Like Rob is definitely one of those cats.
1:37:56
Speaker 4: Even in high school, like we would go to places
1:37:58
Speaker 4: and he's like, oh, I'm gonna go home and change
1:37:59
Speaker 4: real quick, and then he just would not ever come
1:38:01
Speaker 4: back out because you know, somebody would come over or
1:38:04
Speaker 4: something like that.
1:38:04
Speaker 2: And even now like I will, like.
1:38:07
Speaker 4: I remember specifically, like when my wife and I first met,
1:38:11
Speaker 4: I went and got pizza with Rob, my wife, Tilon,
1:38:15
Speaker 4: and one of Taylor's friends and Rob comes in. If
1:38:19
Speaker 4: we say what's up. I introduced them as the first
1:38:21
Speaker 4: time Tailor and this girl have met Rob. Rob goes
1:38:23
Speaker 4: somebody use the bathroom, we sit downtail and goes He's
1:38:27
Speaker 4: fucking hot, and I'm thinking I'm trying to court Tailing.
1:38:30
Speaker 4: So I'm like in this like interesting little like Okay,
1:38:33
Speaker 4: how do I navigate that world right now? Right? Because
1:38:35
Speaker 4: I brought you? But I realized this is what Rob
1:38:38
Speaker 4: Bogie's beach and you're the sand, you know, and that
1:38:40
Speaker 4: scares me a little bit. But Rob just has it
1:38:42
Speaker 4: about him. And it's not about Rob how like confident
1:38:45
Speaker 4: he is. It's the it's the laugh, it's the smile
1:38:48
Speaker 4: and the laugh and that beautiful head of hair that
1:38:50
Speaker 4: he has. He's just he has it. Mike Campanaro has it.
1:38:55
Speaker 4: Who else there's one camp.
1:38:57
Speaker 2: Will go camp. He's he's like a guy that will approach. Yeah,
1:39:00
Speaker 2: he's gotta to approach. But I feel like the honorable
1:39:02
Speaker 2: mention Mike men.
1:39:04
Speaker 4: But also is Mike working for the boy or is
1:39:06
Speaker 4: Mike working for Mike. That's why that's where the wingman
1:39:09
Speaker 4: think it's a little pulled apart right there, because I
1:39:11
Speaker 4: think Mike walks into the situation. He sees, he sees
1:39:14
Speaker 4: the field, he sees the entire thing. He's got no
1:39:17
Speaker 4: peripheral vision issues. He knows where he's going, he gets
1:39:20
Speaker 4: where he's going, and then he gets out of there.
1:39:22
Speaker 2: Like Mike.
1:39:22
Speaker 4: Mike's a ninja smoke type of guy. Like all of
1:39:24
Speaker 4: a sudden you'll see a dust and he'll be just
1:39:25
Speaker 4: out of the out of the room. And that's why
1:39:27
Speaker 4: I think is beautiful. That's a whole another game that
1:39:29
Speaker 4: I don't There's a lot of rules out there, right,
1:39:32
Speaker 4: a lot of rules out there. Yeah, Mike's a finisher. Yeah,
1:39:35
Speaker 4: he's a finisher. He's a closer.
1:39:38
Speaker 2: You know. It looks like you put me behind the
1:39:39
Speaker 2: eight ball and I'll figure it out.
1:39:40
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like it's almost better if Mike stumbles and falls
1:39:43
Speaker 4: to the ground at first. He's like, good, got the
1:39:45
Speaker 4: first hit out of the way type of mentality. So yeah, dude,
1:39:48
Speaker 4: shout out fucking the boy, shout out.
1:39:50
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Speaker 2: I don't know if you feel this way, but and
1:42:26
Speaker 2: I don't want to slight any guests we've ever had,
1:42:28
Speaker 2: but I feel like Steve is the most fascinating guest
1:42:32
Speaker 2: that we've gotten to sit around talk with experience, and
1:42:36
Speaker 2: I'm excited for this interview because you're You're deeper than
1:42:40
Speaker 2: all of us. I feel like every story that you tell,
1:42:43
Speaker 2: you can just hang out with you and you have
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Speaker 2: a story for absolutely everything, and you get to learn
1:42:48
Speaker 2: about you a little bit. You got your you start
1:42:50
Speaker 2: to find your niche and writing, and you have this
1:42:52
Speaker 2: way of storytelling and bridging the non hunters with the
1:42:55
Speaker 2: hunters that come, the conservation stuff, just the history of hunting.
1:43:00
Speaker 2: You're able to bring it all in in every experience
1:43:02
Speaker 2: or the two experiences that we've had hunting with you.
1:43:05
Speaker 2: So I feel like you're the most fascinating guests we're
1:43:07
Speaker 2: going to have on this podcast.
1:43:09
Speaker 1: That's great, man. I don't want to say anything to
1:43:11
Speaker 1: ruin it now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm just gonna end.
1:43:14
Speaker 4: No, He's He's absolutely right. Like coming up here last
1:43:17
Speaker 4: year we wanted a little duck hunting. There was obviously
1:43:19
Speaker 4: some nerves because we knew, like we were aware of
1:43:22
Speaker 4: you from well, I mean the first time I saw
1:43:24
Speaker 4: it was on Joe Rogan and just you're the the
1:43:28
Speaker 4: amount of passion in how intentionally you are about conservation,
1:43:31
Speaker 4: about hunting all like, and you now will and I,
1:43:34
Speaker 4: who are too domesticated cats are walking into Montana like
1:43:37
Speaker 4: God's country to sit with you and all your professional
1:43:39
Speaker 4: buddies to go on a hunt. It's like, man, I
1:43:41
Speaker 4: hope these guys like kind of embrace us a little bit,
1:43:43
Speaker 4: because I don't know if you've like not, I don't
1:43:45
Speaker 4: know if you notice a bit like in the Man's
1:43:47
Speaker 4: banned community, there's always like this like egotistical like kind
1:43:50
Speaker 4: of dick measuring competition going on. I don't know if
1:43:52
Speaker 4: you guys would be like kind of laughing at us.
1:43:54
Speaker 4: But we came in and you guys were awesome, Like
1:43:57
Speaker 4: you guys just treated us as like legit like we were,
1:44:00
Speaker 4: but in a good way, like hey, we're going to
1:44:02
Speaker 4: teach you up. You know, these are the dues, these
1:44:03
Speaker 4: are the dons. You guys are great with gun safety
1:44:05
Speaker 4: and all that. So it was it's been it's been
1:44:08
Speaker 4: a fun second experience as well. It's just awesome, So
1:44:10
Speaker 4: we do appreciate it. What is what is it like
1:44:14
Speaker 4: having guests that don't necessarily know what they're doing in
1:44:17
Speaker 4: the hunting world.
1:44:18
Speaker 1: I enjoy it. I've always liked it because it lets
1:44:21
Speaker 1: you let's it lets you see the world through uh
1:44:25
Speaker 1: fresh perspective, a new perspective. I got started and doing
1:44:29
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of the outdoor stuff, hunting,
1:44:35
Speaker 1: fishing and trapping and all that. I got into very young,
1:44:37
Speaker 1: so I have no recollection of starting out doing it,
1:44:41
Speaker 1: and it is really it's exciting for me to bring
1:44:44
Speaker 1: people in and have them see it for the first time.
1:44:46
Speaker 1: That's one of the reasons I like to get out
1:44:49
Speaker 1: with my kids a lot and just like kind of
1:44:51
Speaker 1: see it through new you know, to see it through
1:44:53
Speaker 1: a new perspective. And I think at a point too,
1:44:55
Speaker 1: when you get like.
1:45:02
Speaker 2: Not at all just turned off operation. You're running Steve,
1:45:09
Speaker 2: what he bumped the light switch there?
1:45:12
Speaker 4: So we're still rolling though, we're still didn't go.
1:45:15
Speaker 2: Out, just the light go with your kid's new perspective.
1:45:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then there's a thing that happened. I hear
1:45:24
Speaker 1: people say that this happens, but I couldn't even picture it.
1:45:26
Speaker 1: Happening is uh, people say, well, eventually just more fun.
1:45:30
Speaker 1: Touh like, see other people have success. You know, I
1:45:34
Speaker 1: got this body mine. Uh do you name Zuck that I.
1:45:37
Speaker 2: Hang out with a lot, does his own Facebook?
1:45:41
Speaker 1: Nokay, no, this dude, No, this dude's last name is
1:45:44
Speaker 1: just straight up Zuck. Uh. It just ends at the
1:45:48
Speaker 1: K guy Zuck called mother Zucker. Uh. This dude, like,
1:45:55
Speaker 1: so he's hunting his whole life. You know, he don't
1:45:58
Speaker 1: hunt now. He only like it's just like he just
1:46:01
Speaker 1: don't seldom.
1:46:03
Speaker 6: Yeah.
1:46:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, he just he just likes to take people and
1:46:06
Speaker 1: just whatever it is he just has where he doesn't
1:46:09
Speaker 1: need to do it anymore. He just wants to have
1:46:11
Speaker 1: He wants to help other people. And uh, you know
1:46:15
Speaker 1: I could picture I'm not I'm not there, but I
1:46:17
Speaker 1: could picture that more and more happening. Right, It's just
1:46:20
Speaker 1: fun to take people.
1:46:21
Speaker 2: I think, did you have fun watching me miss the
1:46:23
Speaker 2: coyote yesterday?
1:46:24
Speaker 1: I had more fun watching that happen than than if
1:46:29
Speaker 1: I had gotten it. Yeah.
1:46:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like it sounds like, based on listening
1:46:34
Speaker 2: to the other conversations, you could have had an opportunity
1:46:36
Speaker 2: to get it too. Well, there was a gun in
1:46:37
Speaker 2: your hand and you decided to lie. If I had
1:46:40
Speaker 2: that gas gun, I would have put it down right
1:46:41
Speaker 2: when you miss it.
1:46:42
Speaker 1: Well, the main thing I woke Yeah, it's something I
1:46:46
Speaker 1: woke up in the morning and I thought I was
1:46:49
Speaker 1: gonna grab my shotgun. If we'd had a shotgun, we'd
1:46:51
Speaker 1: have had it. But he just he came in. He
1:46:53
Speaker 1: came hard and fast. Yeah, Rabbit number six was the
1:46:57
Speaker 1: sound we were playing.
1:46:58
Speaker 2: Yeah with that call or like you're playing a video game.
1:47:01
Speaker 2: You're like, oh, I got these new calls. Let me
1:47:04
Speaker 2: try him out. Max. Yeah.
1:47:07
Speaker 4: Yeah, Max was showing me the film and dude, the
1:47:10
Speaker 4: intensity he came right, okay, yeah, all right, go.
1:47:15
Speaker 2: Bro and him and I'm sticking putting myself in Will's position.
1:47:20
Speaker 2: I was so nervous. Steve was under the weather, so
1:47:23
Speaker 2: he wasn't at the shooting range the day before when
1:47:25
Speaker 2: we're trying to dial in the shots and you're messing
1:47:27
Speaker 2: with the tripod and you're trying to lock it in
1:47:29
Speaker 2: and get a good shot, and obviously the targets aren't moving.
1:47:32
Speaker 2: So when we get there the next morning and they're like, hey, Will,
1:47:34
Speaker 2: you're gonna go with Steve, I'm like all right, you
1:47:37
Speaker 2: know you're feeling the nerves, like all right, I gotta try,
1:47:39
Speaker 2: and I want to try, and you know, make Steve proud.
1:47:41
Speaker 2: This is my captain. And so we sit down and
1:47:43
Speaker 2: within were then sitting down. Within five minutes, he puts
1:47:47
Speaker 2: the call out there and right away it's like, hey, hey,
1:47:50
Speaker 2: there's one there on the right, Get on it, Get
1:47:52
Speaker 2: on it. Are you on it? All right?
1:47:53
Speaker 1: You're gonna you're gonna shoot it.
1:47:55
Speaker 2: Shoot it when it stops. And then I'm like, I'm
1:47:57
Speaker 2: trying to get it dialed in and realizing my tripod
1:47:59
Speaker 2: like okay, I can't set up to where I get
1:48:01
Speaker 2: it tightened up. And I'm scoping in on this coyote
1:48:04
Speaker 2: like it doesn't seem like it's going to Scott stop.
1:48:05
Speaker 2: This thing's moving and he's like, shoot when it stops.
1:48:08
Speaker 2: And then it wasn't stopping, and it keeps coming in
1:48:10
Speaker 2: faster and faster and the vaulge will be out soon.
1:48:13
Speaker 2: And I started just trying to follow it on the
1:48:15
Speaker 2: scope and he's like shoot it and he and then
1:48:18
Speaker 2: there's a pause and he goes, are you.
1:48:19
Speaker 6: Gonna shoot it?
1:48:20
Speaker 2: And I'm like yeah, I take a shot and missed
1:48:24
Speaker 2: and I looked to the right and I see Steve
1:48:25
Speaker 2: and he's just laughing.
1:48:27
Speaker 1: Just having a fun.
1:48:28
Speaker 4: It blows me away, like you, Stephen and go was
1:48:30
Speaker 4: with Garrett and we're like just the intentional walking. First off,
1:48:34
Speaker 4: you guys are men's on mission. Like you guys are
1:48:37
Speaker 4: just going at a pace that there's no domesticated human
1:48:39
Speaker 4: being can actually go at and walking like Garrett. Garrett'll
1:48:45
Speaker 4: just start walking and I'll be like walking behind. I'm
1:48:47
Speaker 4: like kind of like watching his feet and stepping where
1:48:49
Speaker 4: he steps, and then all of a sudden, he'll just
1:48:50
Speaker 4: abruptly stop, like adult, You're just gonna look around a
1:48:52
Speaker 4: little bit, and you just He's like, I was like,
1:48:57
Speaker 4: all right, I have no idea what you saw, but
1:49:00
Speaker 4: picking out even you and the targets the day before,
1:49:03
Speaker 4: he'd be all right, go to F whatever it is,
1:49:06
Speaker 4: seven hundred fifty yards off to your left, and I'm
1:49:08
Speaker 4: just like, I.
1:49:09
Speaker 1: Got this scoping my hand.
1:49:10
Speaker 4: I'm just doing figure eights trying to figure out where
1:49:13
Speaker 4: the hell is this F And I find the number.
1:49:16
Speaker 4: You're all right to the left of that, Okay, to
1:49:17
Speaker 4: the right of that. And it's just you guys' ability
1:49:20
Speaker 4: to just see the world out of the like the
1:49:23
Speaker 4: live the live animals that are walking around is just
1:49:27
Speaker 4: mind blowing.
1:49:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's that kind of stuff like definitely comes
1:49:31
Speaker 1: from a lot of exposure and shooting at the range
1:49:35
Speaker 1: is great and you learn a lot of shooting at
1:49:37
Speaker 1: the range, but never you can't replicate the stuff like
1:49:41
Speaker 1: what we saw with where there's like timing, yeah, you know,
1:49:44
Speaker 1: timing and then trying to predict like behavior and you
1:49:48
Speaker 1: know it's it's tough, man, it's tough. You gotta have
1:49:51
Speaker 1: you know, it takes a ton of field experience. But
1:49:53
Speaker 1: the the walking deal, that's the thing that's always bummed
1:49:55
Speaker 1: me out. As there's no sort of glory uh uh,
1:50:00
Speaker 1: there's no like Olympics ship do you know what I mean?
1:50:04
Speaker 1: There's no like championship walking for just walking through the
1:50:09
Speaker 1: woods man or like walking, you know what I mean,
1:50:11
Speaker 1: Like there's no record, there's no way that you ever
1:50:14
Speaker 1: get formal recognition for just being really good at like
1:50:18
Speaker 1: a measured pace walk. Do you take do you take governing? Body?
1:50:22
Speaker 2: You take pride in? Like are you aware that you're
1:50:25
Speaker 2: just burying me as we're climbing?
1:50:26
Speaker 1: I'm aware that Like, yeah, if I started to run,
1:50:30
Speaker 1: I would have shin splints would be terrible. But if
1:50:34
Speaker 1: it's just like a walking, yeah, it's like I'm I'm
1:50:38
Speaker 1: extremely good at just regular walking.
1:50:42
Speaker 2: Yeah they were climbing, just regular walking, dude.
1:50:45
Speaker 4: But catching those beavers too, Like it's I felt like
1:50:49
Speaker 4: a newborn deer just trying to like get around and
1:50:51
Speaker 4: then all of a sudden, I'm like in the MUDs sinking.
1:50:54
Speaker 4: And you were smart too, because at one point you're like, hey,
1:50:56
Speaker 4: if you want to just grab these other traps, and
1:50:57
Speaker 4: I'm thinking, I'm like a little kid, like no, I'll
1:50:58
Speaker 4: go with. Your dad was just in the back, like
1:51:01
Speaker 4: I'll stay here. You've had enough of Steve, you boy,
1:51:04
Speaker 4: I'll just come with. We're walking Around'm in the middle
1:51:06
Speaker 4: of telling some story that Steve doesn't give two ships
1:51:09
Speaker 4: about it. Not just my left leg all of a
1:51:11
Speaker 4: sudden just goes like, you know, three feet and the
1:51:13
Speaker 4: thing I'm like kind of stuck for a little bit.
1:51:15
Speaker 4: He's getting like multiple traps while I'm like prying my
1:51:17
Speaker 4: leg out. You just you just understand terrain.
1:51:20
Speaker 1: You know that that spot right was joking, had you
1:51:23
Speaker 1: walk into that spring yea and get stuck in.
1:51:25
Speaker 2: That body, I almost dying there. We'll go ahead and
1:51:31
Speaker 2: check it out.
1:51:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's this little there's a there's a spring. It's
1:51:34
Speaker 1: kind of it's a it's a warm spring. It's not
1:51:36
Speaker 1: warm to the touch, but warmer than the stays open
1:51:40
Speaker 1: year round where that water comes out of there. And
1:51:43
Speaker 1: I had waited in there, and I was joking about
1:51:45
Speaker 1: getting stuck in there, but like, later, look, I went
1:51:50
Speaker 1: into this little mock pocket and got stuck. And then
1:51:53
Speaker 1: later it was kind of like thinking like, man, but
1:51:54
Speaker 1: you know, you were to myself like I was stuck, stuck,
1:52:00
Speaker 1: and I realized I was like, what would you even
1:52:02
Speaker 1: have done?
1:52:03
Speaker 2: Man?
1:52:03
Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, because my buddy pulled me out
1:52:05
Speaker 1: of there. But I had my phone right here, you know,
1:52:08
Speaker 1: so I would have been fine. But like the second
1:52:11
Speaker 1: time I went back there, when I was with you,
1:52:13
Speaker 1: I left my phone on the dashboard, and you know,
1:52:16
Speaker 1: you kind of all kinds of close calls in your
1:52:18
Speaker 1: life and stuff. Dude, if out of if no one
1:52:20
Speaker 1: knew where you were and I'd got stuck in that
1:52:22
Speaker 1: mudd I don't know that. I had a couple of
1:52:24
Speaker 1: things I could have tried to get out of that
1:52:26
Speaker 1: mud hole, but I don't know that I would have
1:52:28
Speaker 1: gotten out of that mud hole someone trying to explain
1:52:30
Speaker 1: where I was.
1:52:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, because we were talking through it. You would have
1:52:34
Speaker 2: had to take off your waiters and try and like
1:52:35
Speaker 2: swim out.
1:52:36
Speaker 1: That'd be the thing I would. Yeah, I guess the
1:52:37
Speaker 1: next thing you try to take off your waiters. There's
1:52:39
Speaker 1: this place and this kind This is a harrowing story,
1:52:42
Speaker 1: but you know, you guys have been to the town
1:52:46
Speaker 1: of Anchorage, Alaska.
1:52:47
Speaker 2: I have not.
1:52:48
Speaker 1: There's a hurd stories. Yeah, you know cap'n Cook. You
1:52:52
Speaker 1: ever hear a Captain Cook?
1:52:53
Speaker 2: Does he have a cereal?
1:52:54
Speaker 1: The great Sailor? All the cereal I've.
1:52:56
Speaker 2: Heard of Captain Hook named the cap'n Hook.
1:53:00
Speaker 7: Uh.
1:53:01
Speaker 1: There's this the city of anchorages on the sink called
1:53:03
Speaker 1: cook Inlet, And there's a arm of cook Inlet called
1:53:08
Speaker 1: turning an arm. And it's just it's got silt like
1:53:11
Speaker 1: it's different kind of muck, but it's got silt like that.
1:53:15
Speaker 1: And uh, but it's also got a tide. And there
1:53:18
Speaker 1: was a story from years ago. It's just so like
1:53:20
Speaker 1: Heroin to think about where a woman walked out on
1:53:23
Speaker 1: that muck, got stuck in that muck, and the tide
1:53:27
Speaker 1: was coming up, and there's like first responders there trying
1:53:31
Speaker 1: to extricate her from the muck and no jokes, drowned her.
1:53:36
Speaker 2: God, that would be such a scary way to.
1:53:38
Speaker 1: Go out because you're not only stuck in the muck,
1:53:40
Speaker 1: but then the fucking water. Yeah. Yeah, that's just the worst, man,
1:53:44
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I'll tell you guys about
1:53:46
Speaker 1: that dude in the ice, you know, ship Like that's haunts.
1:53:48
Speaker 4: Being found frozen, holding herself up, knowing that you're trying
1:53:52
Speaker 4: to get out and just there's nobody around but the
1:53:54
Speaker 4: lady in Alaska getting stuck, like she's got to be
1:53:56
Speaker 4: so panicked, and then see the first responders and.
1:53:58
Speaker 2: There's got to be a sense of relief like all right, thank.
1:54:00
Speaker 4: God, I'm going to get out here.
1:54:01
Speaker 2: And they go to help her.
1:54:02
Speaker 4: But then they're like, hey, we got to get out here,
1:54:04
Speaker 4: and they have to injurally make the conscious decision that
1:54:06
Speaker 4: we have to walk away from this lady and let
1:54:08
Speaker 4: her die, you.
1:54:08
Speaker 1: Know, trying to help her breathe through a tube and stuff.
1:54:12
Speaker 1: There's certain like there's certain like get like weird, you know,
1:54:16
Speaker 1: with outdoor stuff. People spend a lot of time. I've
1:54:20
Speaker 1: written about this fort in various ways. People spend a
1:54:23
Speaker 1: lot of time thinking about, Oh, I'm gonna get attacked
1:54:28
Speaker 1: by mountain lion, I'm gonnaet attacked by a grizzly bear,
1:54:31
Speaker 1: which is great to think about. But like then when
1:54:34
Speaker 1: you're out messing around and doing stuff, you realize all
1:54:37
Speaker 1: these kind of like really mundane dumb ways to have
1:54:40
Speaker 1: something bad happen to. You know, all your mental energy
1:54:43
Speaker 1: is like, you know, me and my body's rise like
1:54:46
Speaker 1: this never ending debate, you know, like should you have
1:54:49
Speaker 1: your pistol or your bear spray? You know, and you
1:54:52
Speaker 1: don't even think about or you just get stuck in
1:54:53
Speaker 1: the mud.
1:54:55
Speaker 2: It out.
1:54:58
Speaker 1: The pistols you want?
1:54:59
Speaker 2: You just stuck what's been your closest call.
1:55:04
Speaker 1: The and reviewing it back in my head. There's there's
1:55:08
Speaker 1: a thing that happened with UH in Southeast Alaska. We
1:55:13
Speaker 1: have a little fish shack in a remote area of
1:55:16
Speaker 1: southeast Alaska. You fly into our fish shack and UH
1:55:20
Speaker 1: when I before we were married, before me and my
1:55:23
Speaker 1: wife are married. We we're out one night and it
1:55:31
Speaker 1: was right around between Christmas and New Year's and we're
1:55:33
Speaker 1: out in our boat at night coming back from deer
1:55:35
Speaker 1: hunting and hit a submerged log so hard that it
1:55:41
Speaker 1: like we're going pretty fast trying to get back before
1:55:43
Speaker 1: it got dark, and hit a submerged log so bad
1:55:46
Speaker 1: that it knocked the engine back up in the boat.
1:55:48
Speaker 1: Like the engine like I am up into the boat,
1:55:51
Speaker 1: you know, I'm the on the tilt, and the bow
1:55:54
Speaker 1: dove down and just scooped up a big old mouthful
1:55:57
Speaker 1: of water in that bow. And we were out in
1:56:00
Speaker 1: this we were out in this big chan on the water.
1:56:03
Speaker 1: There's at that time of the year the water there's
1:56:05
Speaker 1: upper forties and you can't last anytime in that water,
1:56:09
Speaker 1: you know. And and dude like reviewing it my reviewed
1:56:15
Speaker 1: in my head. We were like, so you never made
1:56:18
Speaker 1: the beach. You've never made the beach.
1:56:21
Speaker 2: I to know that.
1:56:21
Speaker 1: I met this guy there was coast guard up in
1:56:24
Speaker 1: Ketch Camp, which is near there, and I'm talking about
1:56:27
Speaker 1: going to distressed vessel things, you know, and he said,
1:56:30
Speaker 1: like it's always the same thing, like people's dying the
1:56:34
Speaker 1: water so fast. And then he said, one time they
1:56:37
Speaker 1: do a call and they get there and there's two
1:56:39
Speaker 1: people that were they had to hit the beach, but
1:56:44
Speaker 1: they're just dead on the beach from hypothermia, you know, yeah,
1:56:49
Speaker 1: and that like that water if they're serious. And I've
1:56:50
Speaker 1: always taken my kids out and we take them out,
1:56:53
Speaker 1: and he realized, like it's it's yeah, you're just playing
1:56:56
Speaker 1: with I don't want to say playing with fire because
1:56:59
Speaker 1: like a lot of people do it. It's just that
1:57:01
Speaker 1: that's a sketchy environment, you know. And I'll and I'll
1:57:05
Speaker 1: bring up to them or bring up to other parents.
1:57:10
Speaker 1: I'm talking about having kids and raising kids is like
1:57:13
Speaker 1: I like to kind of put them in a what
1:57:16
Speaker 1: I call it like an arena of consequence. Do you
1:57:20
Speaker 1: might like to bring your kids into situations where there's
1:57:24
Speaker 1: like real ramifications to stuff, do you know what I mean?
1:57:28
Speaker 1: Like it's like real, you know, and and I like
1:57:31
Speaker 1: to do that with them. But then sometimes you also
1:57:33
Speaker 1: realize that that if something bad happened, you can imagine
1:57:38
Speaker 1: like the articles about what the idiot you were right,
1:57:41
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, who would ever take little
1:57:43
Speaker 1: children yeah out in some eighteen foot skiff, you know
1:57:49
Speaker 1: what I mean? And you'd be like and people be like, oh,
1:57:51
Speaker 1: Darwin Awards, you know, and all that shit, you know,
1:57:54
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, And you'd be like that
1:57:55
Speaker 1: you'd be like that, never you'd be You'd you'd be
1:57:58
Speaker 1: remembered as the idiot.
1:58:00
Speaker 2: They wanted to put him in an arena of consequences.
1:58:02
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you would. Yeah, they wouldn't remember you as
1:58:04
Speaker 1: like the dad trying.
1:58:06
Speaker 2: To like you learn today.
1:58:15
Speaker 4: Yeah, dude, we uh when we were trapping, you were
1:58:19
Speaker 4: talking about just like these these muskrats and hey.
1:58:22
Speaker 2: They used to be forty five dollars. Now you probably
1:58:24
Speaker 2: five dollars for these.
1:58:25
Speaker 4: Beavers, And like you could see the passion in your
1:58:27
Speaker 4: face and your voice about just like just trapping and
1:58:30
Speaker 4: even said, like, when I was growing up, that's what
1:58:32
Speaker 4: I wanted to be was a trapper, which to me
1:58:34
Speaker 4: growing up in Arizona, I think it is like one
1:58:36
Speaker 4: of the craziest comments.
1:58:37
Speaker 2: I've ever heard of my life. Like I never thought
1:58:38
Speaker 2: I thought that like died in the eighteen trapper.
1:58:42
Speaker 1: But the next time we talk, I'll explain that there
1:58:44
Speaker 1: was a path forward for you in Arizona as a
1:58:47
Speaker 1: Bobcat man. But I could outline it for you. You
1:58:53
Speaker 1: wouldn't need to have what you would have needed to
1:58:55
Speaker 1: have done.
1:58:56
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have a Bobcat trapper.
1:58:58
Speaker 4: But I see, like, obviously the Metater brand has become
1:59:00
Speaker 4: you know, every time we come here, oh the last
1:59:03
Speaker 4: two times we come here, like I have. I was
1:59:05
Speaker 4: in Vegas this past weekend, people are like, Hey, the
1:59:06
Speaker 4: meat Eater stuff you guys did was awesome.
1:59:08
Speaker 2: All my buddies in Cave Creek are like, I can't believe.
1:59:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know Cave Creek.
1:59:13
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, shout out the boys. Yeah.
1:59:16
Speaker 4: But you've built such a such an awesome like company
1:59:18
Speaker 4: and everything like that. Like, where did you transition from
1:59:21
Speaker 4: I'm going to be a trapper to you know what,
1:59:24
Speaker 4: I'm going to start writing, I'm going to start being
1:59:26
Speaker 4: a conservationist. I'm going to go and oh, I'm gonna
1:59:29
Speaker 4: start a company called me Eater and made people more
1:59:31
Speaker 4: aware of hunting and fishing and the right way to
1:59:33
Speaker 4: go about these things. When did that big transition happen
1:59:36
Speaker 4: for you?
1:59:37
Speaker 1: When I So, I started trapping monskrats when I was
1:59:41
Speaker 1: ten and was just consumed by it. The reason, one
1:59:48
Speaker 1: of the reasons I liked it was it was kind
1:59:50
Speaker 1: of there's this thing that these two things that would
1:59:51
Speaker 1: work together on it. Like I liked doing it, but
1:59:54
Speaker 1: I was also very interested in remem We're talking about
1:59:57
Speaker 1: Daniel Boone. I was very interested in these, like these
2:00:02
Speaker 1: guys that we now call long hunters, like the early
2:00:05
Speaker 1: deer skin hunters, and very interested in mountain men and
2:00:09
Speaker 1: these other groups of guys that would go out and
2:00:13
Speaker 1: just supply the skin trade, like fur trappers and hunters
2:00:16
Speaker 1: and shit. I was just fascinated by that stuff. Part
2:00:19
Speaker 1: of while, I was fascinated by this because I liked
2:00:21
Speaker 1: to do it too, and these were like these these
2:00:24
Speaker 1: were these iconic American figures who made their livings doing that,
2:00:29
Speaker 1: had all these wild ass adventures, right, So I want,
2:00:33
Speaker 1: like when I was little, I wanted to make my
2:00:35
Speaker 1: living doing like as a hunter and trapper. The only
2:00:41
Speaker 1: contemporary version of that would have been being a sort
2:00:44
Speaker 1: of like like generalist trapper who traps for fur and
2:00:51
Speaker 1: whatever else when they're growing up, you know, or getting older.
2:00:54
Speaker 1: And it just became untenable. At the same time, it
2:00:57
Speaker 1: became untenable because the economics that work out because of
2:01:01
Speaker 1: this mark, there's a market that like really fluctuates wildly.
2:01:04
Speaker 1: I got interested in writing, and for a while I thought, well,
2:01:07
Speaker 1: what I'll do is I thought I could supplement my
2:01:10
Speaker 1: income from trapping as writing articles about trapping went to
2:01:15
Speaker 1: college as afterthought, like I don't really know what's the
2:01:19
Speaker 1: test you're supposed to take? When you like, what are
2:01:21
Speaker 1: the acts? Is that what you did? Sat Like, people
2:01:25
Speaker 1: tell me there's no way this is true.
2:01:28
Speaker 2: I know.
2:01:28
Speaker 1: I went down and took the as VAB. I took
2:01:30
Speaker 1: the military test and thought about going to the army
2:01:32
Speaker 1: for a minute, changed my mind. I don't think I
2:01:35
Speaker 1: took the college test, like I honestly, god, I don't
2:01:36
Speaker 1: think I remember going down to the community college we
2:01:40
Speaker 1: had where I grew up. It was a Muskegan County, Michigan.
2:01:43
Speaker 1: I went down to the community college and I wrote
2:01:45
Speaker 1: a check for six hundred bucks for a semester of
2:01:48
Speaker 1: night classes, and that was and I began college like reluctantly,
2:01:52
Speaker 1: really yeah, reluctantly, dude, and I kind of fell in
2:01:57
Speaker 1: love with it. But I took two years of night
2:01:58
Speaker 1: classes and just kind of started getting into school and
2:02:03
Speaker 1: like getting more into writing, and then pretty soon I
2:02:07
Speaker 1: was I was very pretty soon I was very focused
2:02:09
Speaker 1: and dedicated on like becoming a writer. Uh, whenever I
2:02:13
Speaker 1: give professional advice, I always point this out, Like when
2:02:16
Speaker 1: I give professional advice now to people, I always tell them,
2:02:18
Speaker 1: Like if I'm talking to kids or whatever, I tell them, like,
2:02:22
Speaker 1: never have a Plan B. You guys probably know what
2:02:24
Speaker 1: I'm talking about because you made it a thing that
2:02:27
Speaker 1: was impossible to make it into, Like it's impossible to
2:02:29
Speaker 1: become to be in the NFL, right, right, So it's like,
2:02:34
Speaker 1: kill any plan B because it'll be more seductive, it'll
2:02:40
Speaker 1: be easy, and you'll just you'll do a Plan B.
2:02:43
Speaker 1: If if the Plan B is sitting there, it'll it'll
2:02:46
Speaker 1: be the draw is too strong, like you'll be sucked
2:02:48
Speaker 1: into your aversity strikes.
2:02:50
Speaker 2: You'll look back at that Plan B and be like
2:02:51
Speaker 2: it would be easier just to do that. I can't
2:02:53
Speaker 2: just pivot to this lane.
2:02:54
Speaker 6: Yeah.
2:02:54
Speaker 2: Yeah. And so.
2:02:56
Speaker 1: Even though my plan A was like to be a trapper,
2:02:59
Speaker 1: my plan is to be a writer. Once I once
2:03:03
Speaker 1: I settled on that idea kind of like that sort
2:03:05
Speaker 1: of an adult notion of what to do is like
2:03:08
Speaker 1: to be a writer, I was it was I was
2:03:12
Speaker 1: either going to do that or I was gonna die,
2:03:14
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like there was no other option,
2:03:16
Speaker 1: Like I never entertained other options about it outside of writing. Yeah,
2:03:20
Speaker 1: I was like I was going to make it work
2:03:22
Speaker 1: as a writer, and and for years, you know, it
2:03:27
Speaker 1: was it's hard for years, right, Like it's it's hard
2:03:29
Speaker 1: to get there financially, but I don't if you're not married,
2:03:34
Speaker 1: if you don't have kids who're not married, like it
2:03:35
Speaker 1: doesn't like there's no you're not like Actually, poverty just broke, right,
2:03:39
Speaker 1: it just broke. So you have years of being broke
2:03:41
Speaker 1: as a writer. But I eventually got there, and uh,
2:03:46
Speaker 1: and just by being that that's what I was going
2:03:49
Speaker 1: to do.
2:03:49
Speaker 2: You know what was the one thing that started to
2:03:51
Speaker 2: catch catch traction in the writing world that started to
2:03:54
Speaker 2: shift like, Okay, now I can start supplement money, making
2:03:58
Speaker 2: a little bit more money. Like when did that momentum
2:04:00
Speaker 2: started writing?
2:04:00
Speaker 1: Yeah?
2:04:01
Speaker 2: I you know, the.
2:04:08
Speaker 1: There's there's a meritocracy to it, right, there's there's absolutely
2:04:13
Speaker 1: a meritocracy to it. But there's also like a connections thing.
2:04:17
Speaker 1: I got lucky. There's this there's this writer he used
2:04:21
Speaker 1: to be very prolific writer. There's his writer named Ian Fraser.
2:04:25
Speaker 1: He wrote this phenomenal book about the American great planes
2:04:28
Speaker 1: called Great Plains, where he just spent years cruising around
2:04:31
Speaker 1: on the Great planes. He's really he's really good about culture, writing,
2:04:37
Speaker 1: really good about like writing about landscape and Western American
2:04:42
Speaker 1: West and Western history. He had this book, so he
2:04:46
Speaker 1: wrote this book, Great planes. I love this book. It
2:04:49
Speaker 1: wound up being the weirdest deal, where like he had
2:04:51
Speaker 1: never gone hunting, and he'd written all about like he'd
2:04:55
Speaker 1: written whole books on like the La Cota Sioux and
2:04:58
Speaker 1: and all this Western stuff. I hadn't hundred for some reason.
2:05:01
Speaker 1: And I got a chance to take him on his
2:05:03
Speaker 1: first deer hunt. And I took him on a canoe
2:05:06
Speaker 1: trip for deer. He gets a deer, and meanwhile we
2:05:10
Speaker 1: talk a lot about writing, and he takes some of
2:05:13
Speaker 1: my stuff and sends it, takes a piece I wrote
2:05:15
Speaker 1: and sends it to Outside magazine. And this is in
2:05:20
Speaker 1: the very late nineties ninety nine. The piece published in
2:05:24
Speaker 1: two thousand and I had written a piece about that
2:05:28
Speaker 1: we used to go to the bar. When the bar closed,
2:05:32
Speaker 1: we would go out and sleep inside this dam and
2:05:36
Speaker 1: then fish whitefish and steel head inside the dam at daybreak,
2:05:40
Speaker 1: you know. And I wrote this whole story about doing this,
2:05:43
Speaker 1: and he gives it to Outside, his editor, Outside magazine,
2:05:46
Speaker 1: and they bought it for four thousand bucks, which I thought, dude,
2:05:50
Speaker 1: when yeah, I went there was this like I was
2:05:52
Speaker 1: living in Missoula, Montana when I got that four thousand bucks.
2:05:55
Speaker 1: I remember, I bought a topper for my truck which
2:05:57
Speaker 1: is like eight hundred bucks, and went out to Hot Springs,
2:06:01
Speaker 1: Montana and basically just hold up at Hot Springs, Montana
2:06:06
Speaker 1: in a like room for a couple of days to
2:06:08
Speaker 1: try to just process the like the windfall.
2:06:13
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, the amount of money.
2:06:16
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:06:17
Speaker 2: Man.
2:06:19
Speaker 1: After that, it's like I got it, I got the topper,
2:06:21
Speaker 1: I got a topper. I'm gonna blow a couple more
2:06:24
Speaker 1: hundred here at the Hot Springs Hotel. Now what's my
2:06:27
Speaker 1: path forward? And uh yeah, that was it. It was
2:06:30
Speaker 1: just like it was. I remember that dude telling me
2:06:33
Speaker 1: in the in the writing world and everything, it's changed
2:06:35
Speaker 1: so much, Like I'm this is an old ass story, right,
2:06:37
Speaker 1: this is the year two thousand. But him saying like
2:06:44
Speaker 1: he said, like as a writer, he goes, somehow you
2:06:47
Speaker 1: just wind up with like a stamp of approval on
2:06:49
Speaker 1: your head, and he goes, I don't understand it, but
2:06:51
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you get it, and you got it.
2:06:55
Speaker 1: You get like the stamp of approval. And so and
2:06:58
Speaker 1: in those days, there's one hundred way to do it.
2:07:00
Speaker 1: But in those days there were certain magazines that once
2:07:03
Speaker 1: you would publish in those magazines, it was like your
2:07:06
Speaker 1: stamp of approval, and then all of a sudden people
2:07:08
Speaker 1: would like you could sell a book. Right. It's just
2:07:11
Speaker 1: like also in the whole world opened up to you
2:07:13
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you know, TV people call either
2:07:17
Speaker 1: about development, you know, maybe they want to license something
2:07:21
Speaker 1: you wrote, or get an option on shit you wrote.
2:07:23
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just all of a sudden, like
2:07:24
Speaker 1: you struggle, struggle, struggle, struggle, then all of a sudden,
2:07:27
Speaker 1: like some imperceptible piece of thing happens, and it's in
2:07:32
Speaker 1: all of sudden just life becomes easy.
2:07:35
Speaker 2: Yeah.
2:07:36
Speaker 1: And so he told me that would happen, you know, yeah,
2:07:38
Speaker 1: Or he told me that's you just get You need
2:07:40
Speaker 1: to get the stamp of approval. You'll know when you
2:07:42
Speaker 1: got it.
2:07:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was true. Man, Outside, our magazine was a stamp.
2:07:45
Speaker 1: Huh, Yeah, that magazine and I wound up being on
2:07:49
Speaker 1: the mast headed Outside. I wrote. I wrote a lot
2:07:50
Speaker 1: of articles for Outside that wrote. I wrote all over place.
2:07:53
Speaker 1: I wrote like I did magazine. I did magazine bits everywhere.
2:07:57
Speaker 1: I did everybody. I wrote all the tons of mags, sines,
2:08:00
Speaker 1: and then to start doing books, you know, and then
2:08:02
Speaker 1: and then from books got in from books got into
2:08:05
Speaker 1: doing television television kind of got into doing podcasts.
2:08:09
Speaker 2: And then were you excited about television because you were
2:08:12
Speaker 2: talking about you know, plan A was trapper, Plan B
2:08:15
Speaker 2: was writer. Then writer becomes plan A. When TV starts
2:08:18
Speaker 2: to come in the equation, that's like another opportunity, you know,
2:08:22
Speaker 2: getting in front of the camera.
2:08:24
Speaker 1: No, not in not in and of itself at all.
2:08:27
Speaker 1: I felt like it was a I felt TV was
2:08:29
Speaker 1: a way to I felt TV was a way to
2:08:34
Speaker 1: kind of round everything out with with books, Like I
2:08:38
Speaker 1: thought it would be a way to find audience and
2:08:41
Speaker 1: find readers, you know. Liked that the primary Like, at
2:08:45
Speaker 1: any point in time, if someone said, if at any
2:08:47
Speaker 1: point in time, someone came to me and said, hey,
2:08:48
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta choose, like you can you can host,
2:08:55
Speaker 1: TV host, or or you can write anytime, I I
2:09:00
Speaker 1: would never, without a doubt, I would always go toward writing, always, always,
2:09:06
Speaker 1: if if I ever had to make the decision, but
2:09:08
Speaker 1: I always just looked at it like part of a thing,
2:09:11
Speaker 1: you know what I said that the I always looked
2:09:13
Speaker 1: at it as like part of being a writer was
2:09:15
Speaker 1: doing that kind of stuff. Remember I said, the industry
2:09:18
Speaker 1: changes so much over time and and being back and
2:09:23
Speaker 1: like when I was starting out that magazines were a
2:09:25
Speaker 1: good way to come in, there's one hundred ways to
2:09:27
Speaker 1: come in. I mean, you guys are media. You guys
2:09:29
Speaker 1: are like media professionals came out of athletics, right like that,
2:09:34
Speaker 1: I wasn't aware of that path to media, and it's
2:09:39
Speaker 1: it's everything changes so much, like you couldn't do it
2:09:42
Speaker 1: the way I did it anymore. But what became obvious
2:09:44
Speaker 1: to me over time is it became obviously over time
2:09:47
Speaker 1: that you had to learn you had to think of
2:09:51
Speaker 1: like your world as a set of ideas, right like
2:09:57
Speaker 1: it's and the set of ideas lives, and it's this
2:10:00
Speaker 1: thing and you can hold, like you can hold this
2:10:03
Speaker 1: set of ideas and like, imagine that there's all these
2:10:07
Speaker 1: sort of conveyor belts moving away from you, do you
2:10:12
Speaker 1: know what I mean? And you could have this thing
2:10:16
Speaker 1: in your hand, it's your set of ideas and you
2:10:18
Speaker 1: can just randomly place them on these conveyor belts that
2:10:21
Speaker 1: move away from you. When I started out, it was
2:10:24
Speaker 1: like there was only one and it was like it
2:10:26
Speaker 1: was writing for publication, you know, and so every idea
2:10:29
Speaker 1: was placed on that thing, on that one belt, right.
2:10:34
Speaker 1: But now I imagine that it's this array of belts
2:10:36
Speaker 1: and it's like it's podcast material, it's it's television stuff.
2:10:42
Speaker 2: You know.
2:10:43
Speaker 1: I've worked a little bit, I've worked on some documentary stuff, right,
2:10:47
Speaker 1: And it's instead of thinking that I'm doing all these
2:10:52
Speaker 1: different things, I'm still dealing with this contained object, which
2:10:58
Speaker 1: is my ideas. Like the things I can about and
2:11:01
Speaker 1: where I put them isn't important to me, right, It's
2:11:05
Speaker 1: just important.
2:11:05
Speaker 2: To me that.
2:11:06
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like this remains like my fucking thing, do
2:11:10
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And I don't really care
2:11:12
Speaker 1: about all that shit. That's kind of how I've come
2:11:14
Speaker 1: to think.
2:11:14
Speaker 4: It necessarily evil to get your idea, this thing out
2:11:18
Speaker 4: to more masses so they can enjoy and understanding more.
2:11:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And and I went to kind of like
2:11:24
Speaker 1: I went to at what at the time was a
2:11:28
Speaker 1: I got into a pretty like a prestigious writing program
2:11:31
Speaker 1: and uh at University of Montana. And at that time, man,
2:11:36
Speaker 1: it was like with the Internet coming, people were deathly
2:11:40
Speaker 1: afraid of the Internet. Man, people were deathly afraid of
2:11:44
Speaker 1: like every thought that like that you were this that
2:11:47
Speaker 1: that like writing books was the intellectual purity and everything
2:11:53
Speaker 1: else was less than you know, and and everyone was real.
2:11:57
Speaker 1: You know, you could you could get real snobbish about
2:11:59
Speaker 1: all that stuff.
2:12:00
Speaker 2: But I just you never fell in that trap.
2:12:02
Speaker 6: Well I did.
2:12:03
Speaker 1: I fell out.
2:12:04
Speaker 2: I could.
2:12:04
Speaker 6: I could see it.
2:12:05
Speaker 2: I could see it the internet coming Like these individuals
2:12:07
Speaker 2: don't understand the art depend to paper community, the community
2:12:14
Speaker 2: that you're in. If they're kind of frowning upon it,
2:12:16
Speaker 2: you have this vulnerability of like seeing it the way
2:12:18
Speaker 2: you're seeing it, as like these are just vessels that
2:12:21
Speaker 2: I'm able to get this idea out. They're not necessarily
2:12:24
Speaker 2: seeing that. But also you feel the pressure of like
2:12:26
Speaker 2: if I do do this, you know the boys are
2:12:27
Speaker 2: going to be, oh yeah, this first time he had
2:12:30
Speaker 2: an article on the internet.
2:12:31
Speaker 4: You know, he went back into that little group and
2:12:33
Speaker 4: they're like, Steve, you see Steve's on the internet.
2:12:37
Speaker 1: Sold out? Yeah, you did something the internet stupid?
2:12:41
Speaker 4: Is that like in the environments in the world you live,
2:12:43
Speaker 4: it is like a consistent where I feel like in
2:12:45
Speaker 4: the hunting world, there's like a lot of like purity
2:12:47
Speaker 4: about it, Like there's like a I don't know if
2:12:49
Speaker 4: it's a clickish group, but like people have like their
2:12:52
Speaker 4: ways they want to do things, and there's a pure
2:12:54
Speaker 4: way to do something as opposed to you know, maybe
2:12:56
Speaker 4: just the regular hunter who goes in a tree standing
2:12:58
Speaker 4: just takes the just takes the rat or something like that.
2:13:00
Speaker 4: I feel like you've lived in those types of communities most,
2:13:03
Speaker 4: if not all your life.
2:13:04
Speaker 1: Dude. It's like, I'm sure everything is. I'm sure everything is.
2:13:11
Speaker 1: I'm sure every discipline, community, whatever. There's like intense tribalism.
2:13:16
Speaker 1: There's like there's a tribalism to hunting. Uh, it's almost comical.
2:13:25
Speaker 2: You know.
2:13:25
Speaker 1: What I used to observe is like, so, so I
2:13:29
Speaker 1: grew up in a you know, I grew up in
2:13:32
Speaker 1: a Christian household in a Christian community, and and if
2:13:36
Speaker 1: you had gone like like, people would be I remember,
2:13:40
Speaker 1: people would be they'd feel threatened by where I was
2:13:43
Speaker 1: growing up. People might be feeling threatened by Latter day Saints, right,
2:13:47
Speaker 1: threatened by Mormonism. And because it was like similar but
2:13:56
Speaker 1: little different, right, and you look at me like, why
2:13:58
Speaker 1: aren't you guys worried about like devil worshippers. That seems
2:14:01
Speaker 1: like it would be like a real enemy, you know,
2:14:04
Speaker 1: but you're like, well, yeah, never, no one pays attention
2:14:06
Speaker 1: to that. We're looking at We're worried about the things
2:14:08
Speaker 1: that are just a little different. And then and like
2:14:12
Speaker 1: the tribalism of hunting is that you it's it's that yeah,
2:14:19
Speaker 1: Like there's like archery guys that are you know, look
2:14:23
Speaker 1: down on rifle guys. There's guys that hunt over bait.
2:14:26
Speaker 1: There's guys that don't use bait, and look down on
2:14:29
Speaker 1: guys that hunt over bait. Just whatever, you know, just
2:14:35
Speaker 1: guys that use a knife.
2:14:37
Speaker 2: You gotta kiss with your bare hands.
2:14:38
Speaker 1: That's exactly track it down. What it winds up being, like,
2:14:42
Speaker 1: the more I've been around the country and like met
2:14:44
Speaker 1: so many people and got to go to so many places,
2:14:46
Speaker 1: it winds up being that the whatever you grew up around,
2:14:51
Speaker 1: whatever is normal to you from growing up around that's right, right, yeah,
2:14:55
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, and everyone else is everyone else is like
2:15:00
Speaker 1: not right, yeah, tribal.
2:15:04
Speaker 4: I posted a video yesterday on Twitter or x of
2:15:08
Speaker 4: just like the landscape, me and Garrett looking over like
2:15:11
Speaker 4: it was beautiful, but I had the rifle and someone's like,
2:15:13
Speaker 4: be a real man and use a bow.
2:15:15
Speaker 2: That was one of the first comments. I was thinking,
2:15:18
Speaker 2: I've never even shot at bow, like, but in my
2:15:19
Speaker 2: head of I I guess I'm not real. Yeah, failed,
2:15:23
Speaker 2: this's opinion of hunting.
2:15:24
Speaker 1: Well, next time you come out, we'll shoot bows. I
2:15:26
Speaker 1: love shooting bows. But there's a rumor.
2:15:28
Speaker 4: There's a rumor going around that we're hunting a bear
2:15:29
Speaker 4: next time.
2:15:32
Speaker 2: I'm glad, you know.
2:15:33
Speaker 4: I'm glad you're very aware that we're hunting a bear
2:15:35
Speaker 4: next time. And there's something about the apex predator that
2:15:38
Speaker 4: I'm interested in the thought that if I don't kill it,
2:15:41
Speaker 4: it'll kill me. I knew this would happen. I talked
2:15:47
Speaker 4: to kill bear fair but I could be right. Maybe
2:15:52
Speaker 4: a couple of cubs walk by, Yeah, no doubt, but
2:15:55
Speaker 4: black bear.
2:15:55
Speaker 1: Is not going to kill me. Man. Black beards don't
2:15:57
Speaker 1: like here's the thing they do. So I think that
2:16:01
Speaker 1: you have black I think there's like black bear hunting
2:16:04
Speaker 1: seasons and close thirty states now, okay, most like by far,
2:16:14
Speaker 1: most Americans live within like a forty five minute drive
2:16:19
Speaker 1: of a black bear, okay, or blackberries. Everywhere you take
2:16:24
Speaker 1: a state like here, it's like we might have ten
2:16:27
Speaker 1: thousand black bears in this state. No one gets killed
2:16:33
Speaker 1: by a black bear. Okay, ten thousand black bears, and
2:16:36
Speaker 1: I can't think of the last time someone in the
2:16:37
Speaker 1: state's been killed by a black bear.
2:16:39
Speaker 2: They still get number.
2:16:40
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, you get a thousand grizzly bears and they're killing
2:16:44
Speaker 1: a couple people a year. It's just a different bear, man,
2:16:48
Speaker 1: They're like a different bear with a different groove, and
2:16:51
Speaker 1: they just got a different worldview. And like, even then,
2:16:55
Speaker 1: the odds are small, but there's like an elite group
2:16:58
Speaker 1: of there's like an elite group of plays out there
2:17:01
Speaker 1: that are like very high risk individuals. I'm getting mix
2:17:05
Speaker 1: ups with grizzly bears and it's a real it's a
2:17:08
Speaker 1: real thing. Like I've had like close calls with them,
2:17:12
Speaker 1: little skirmishes. It's a different bear.
2:17:17
Speaker 2: When you were having your mix your mix ups with
2:17:19
Speaker 2: the grizzlies, like was there's some fears starting to set in.
2:17:23
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's they're intimidating, man, They're intimidating. It's a
2:17:26
Speaker 1: real bear. I mean, I love them to death. I
2:17:28
Speaker 1: love them to death, but yeah, it's like you know
2:17:32
Speaker 1: those bears, those bears play for keeps man like in
2:17:35
Speaker 1: this state. You know, every year people get people get
2:17:39
Speaker 1: tore up by one or two people in the lower
2:17:42
Speaker 1: forty eight get killed by them. And there's not that many.
2:17:44
Speaker 1: You got grizzly bears in three states well now, and
2:17:47
Speaker 1: then you'll have one in northern Washington. But you got
2:17:49
Speaker 1: a small number of bears that that do that do
2:17:53
Speaker 1: a lot of mixing it up with people, and they're
2:17:56
Speaker 1: they just have a different attitude, you know, like a
2:18:00
Speaker 1: black bear. When you scare a black bear, intimidate a
2:18:03
Speaker 1: black bear, the black bear in his mind is like
2:18:07
Speaker 1: he's gonna get clear. He's gonna get clear of the
2:18:10
Speaker 1: thing a grizzly like usually as well, usually as well,
2:18:17
Speaker 1: he's gonna his impulse is gonna be to get clear
2:18:19
Speaker 1: of it. But ten percent of the time whatever, some
2:18:23
Speaker 1: percentage of the time, it's not fifty, it's less than fifty.
2:18:28
Speaker 1: Is when he gets scared, his impulse is to just
2:18:32
Speaker 1: like crush what scared him. God and black bears don't
2:18:35
Speaker 1: have and it's like it's getting like nine times out
2:18:38
Speaker 1: of ten whatever, it is, like nine times out of
2:18:40
Speaker 1: ten or eight times out of ten, he's gonna peace out.
2:18:43
Speaker 1: But then you get like the right mix up, the
2:18:47
Speaker 1: right proximity, he's in the right mood whatever, and you
2:18:50
Speaker 1: like scare him.
2:18:53
Speaker 2: You know.
2:18:53
Speaker 1: The difference is picture you go around to your buddies
2:18:56
Speaker 1: and you hide around a corner in a house, right,
2:19:01
Speaker 1: and your buddy comes in the door, Like you hide
2:19:03
Speaker 1: in your body's house and your body comes in the
2:19:05
Speaker 1: door and you go, ah to scare them. What percentage
2:19:08
Speaker 1: of bodies are gonna jump back and go? But there's
2:19:12
Speaker 1: gonna be that one that just boom? Do you know
2:19:15
Speaker 1: what I mean?
2:19:15
Speaker 13: Yeah, that's a good analogy, Like I don't know who
2:19:19
Speaker 13: you know, Like, there's gonna be that one that just
2:19:22
Speaker 13: the size of smoke, that has the has the sort
2:19:25
Speaker 13: of the sort of these.
2:19:29
Speaker 2: I fear. I know I'm the jump back guy. Oh
2:19:33
Speaker 2: I'm an jumpy to you.
2:19:34
Speaker 1: Got I'm like, as I'm gonna jump back.
2:19:40
Speaker 2: A striker. Maybe I just hold you in high regard interaction.
2:19:43
Speaker 6: I don't think, I know.
2:19:44
Speaker 1: Try it well, don't try because that sounds scary.
2:19:46
Speaker 2: It sounds like if I broke in your house, that'd
2:19:48
Speaker 2: be a world of heart.
2:19:49
Speaker 1: If I had a minute to assass then I would
2:19:51
Speaker 1: then take step just just.
2:19:53
Speaker 2: Six seven shadow in the corner of your house.
2:19:56
Speaker 1: I'll be done.
2:19:57
Speaker 2: What about what about polar bear?
2:19:58
Speaker 4: I know I don't want to say this about bear fit,
2:20:00
Speaker 4: but like something about something about like cougars and bears
2:20:04
Speaker 4: and all that, because I'm, like I said, Arizona, like,
2:20:06
Speaker 4: I'm we got avelina and heel monsters and snakes, but
2:20:10
Speaker 4: there's no like giant predators. And so I walk out
2:20:13
Speaker 4: in the woods around here.
2:20:14
Speaker 1: Black bears in line mountains, well, those are up.
2:20:16
Speaker 2: North if they're anywhere, and they're not going to be
2:20:18
Speaker 2: down in Keith crekertt like the desert.
2:20:19
Speaker 1: And you know you're you're overlooking one because uh usually
2:20:24
Speaker 1: there's there's usually a jaguar in Arizona.
2:20:29
Speaker 2: A singular jaguar.
2:20:30
Speaker 4: Dude, I'll take my like I just I've never I
2:20:36
Speaker 4: went to the University of Michigan, and the first time
2:20:39
Speaker 4: I get there, I see all these trees and I
2:20:42
Speaker 4: just think there's a bear and every bunch of those trees.
2:20:45
Speaker 4: Like that's how dumb I am. And so then I
2:20:47
Speaker 4: come out here, I'm like, we're for sure in bear
2:20:48
Speaker 4: country now we gotta be. So then my wife is
2:20:50
Speaker 4: from British Columbia and she they're always talking about bears.
2:20:53
Speaker 4: She knows bears they're aware the whole. Like if it's
2:20:56
Speaker 4: a if it's a black bear, get big. If it's
2:20:58
Speaker 4: a brown bear, like lay down, and then if it's
2:20:59
Speaker 4: a wipe, it's like that you might as well do.
2:21:01
Speaker 2: It's over. It's over for you.
2:21:03
Speaker 4: But yeah, but polar bears, is that just a you
2:21:07
Speaker 4: see one of those things, it's it's it's game.
2:21:09
Speaker 2: Man, like I have.
2:21:10
Speaker 1: First off, I'm very comfortable talking about black bears and
2:21:14
Speaker 1: grizzly bears. Yeah, I have zero polar bear experience. I
2:21:17
Speaker 1: can tell you though that numerically they are. Numerically they
2:21:23
Speaker 1: are a high, high level of aggression. But I'm I'm
2:21:29
Speaker 1: way over my waiters talking about talking about you're in
2:21:32
Speaker 1: the mud.
2:21:33
Speaker 2: I'm not.
2:21:34
Speaker 1: I'm not a polar bear man.
2:21:35
Speaker 2: Polar bears would be. I mean those things are massive, massive, terrifying. Yeah,
2:21:40
Speaker 2: we can get off the bear stuff. What would you got?
2:21:43
Speaker 1: You talk about bears like want? I just can't talk
2:21:44
Speaker 1: about polar bears with any level.
2:21:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, FA, I was gonna ask, You've obviously built an
2:21:49
Speaker 2: incredible company with meat Eater. You have meat Eater, you
2:21:52
Speaker 2: have first light, Like every time we come out of here.
2:21:53
Speaker 2: I feel like we learned something new, like one hundred
2:21:55
Speaker 2: and fifty employees, Like, how did you build this company
2:22:00
Speaker 2: into what it is today? Because it came through writing,
2:22:03
Speaker 2: you get on television, there has to be a shift
2:22:05
Speaker 2: in your mind mentally to where it's like, hey, I
2:22:08
Speaker 2: have the I could have the ability to build something
2:22:10
Speaker 2: of my own because I think that's incredible. It is
2:22:13
Speaker 2: incredible what you've built with me.
2:22:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's such a it's such a convoluted, complicated story,
2:22:18
Speaker 1: and it's hardly like, it's hardly all. It's just not like,
2:22:23
Speaker 1: it's not this doings of a it's not the doings
2:22:28
Speaker 1: of a single person at all. But I had eventually,
2:22:30
Speaker 1: do you guys remember, of course you do all the
2:22:36
Speaker 1: Anthony Bourdain shows over the years. Okay, so what happened
2:22:40
Speaker 1: was the production company that made all that Bourdain stuff.
2:22:46
Speaker 1: It was zero point zero production. Chris and Lydia Tonauglia
2:22:51
Speaker 1: had zero point zero production and they did like Cook's Tour,
2:22:55
Speaker 1: which was Bordain's first show. They did no reservations, they
2:22:59
Speaker 1: did parts on and they produced all that material. I'm
2:23:04
Speaker 1: only bringing that up because it's a way to kind
2:23:06
Speaker 1: of understand the group of people on top about I
2:23:10
Speaker 1: fell in with ZPZ on some like development projects to
2:23:15
Speaker 1: like develop some of the work, to some of my
2:23:17
Speaker 1: writing into TV material, and we started making me Eater
2:23:24
Speaker 1: the show. Like we just it was like me there
2:23:26
Speaker 1: was a TV show that I was making with zero
2:23:29
Speaker 1: point zero production. I named that because I just had
2:23:34
Speaker 1: a new kid, my first kid was born, and I
2:23:36
Speaker 1: would read in books about animals, like I'm manly just
2:23:39
Speaker 1: reading books about animals and be reading like books about
2:23:41
Speaker 1: dinosaurs and shit, you know, and it'd be like this
2:23:43
Speaker 1: ferocious me eater the t rex. So I just had
2:23:46
Speaker 1: that word in my head. And we started this show
2:23:50
Speaker 1: and it was like no intention of being anything other
2:23:52
Speaker 1: than a show, and we would we'd make the show,
2:23:55
Speaker 1: and we didn't sell it. We just licensed it. So
2:23:57
Speaker 1: we licensed it to Sportsman Channel, we licensed it for
2:24:04
Speaker 1: we licensed it to Netflix for a bunch of seasons,
2:24:06
Speaker 1: and we just owned it. If someone had bought it,
2:24:11
Speaker 1: we would have sold it to them, Okay. So it
2:24:14
Speaker 1: was just it was like lucky that we if the
2:24:17
Speaker 1: right deal would have come along, we would have just
2:24:19
Speaker 1: sold they. We would have sold it because that's how
2:24:20
Speaker 1: TV's always made. Like when a network, a stream or whatever.
2:24:24
Speaker 1: When they buy a project, it's usually today that they
2:24:27
Speaker 1: take possession of the IP. You produce it for them,
2:24:31
Speaker 1: but they own it.
2:24:33
Speaker 2: We just.
2:24:35
Speaker 1: Because we we just got lucky. We got lucky and
2:24:38
Speaker 1: didn't originally sell it to anyone. We only ever made
2:24:41
Speaker 1: licensing deals and it was almost like accidental, right. But
2:24:45
Speaker 1: what that enabled is being that we owned this whole
2:24:48
Speaker 1: We want to owning the like a seed to this
2:24:52
Speaker 1: whole sort of universe of hunting and fishing content and
2:24:56
Speaker 1: whatnot over time, and we got an opportunity to take
2:25:02
Speaker 1: an investment that would let us spin that we're approach
2:25:09
Speaker 1: about taking an investment that would let us spin media
2:25:12
Speaker 1: out outside of the zero point zero cradle, to spin
2:25:17
Speaker 1: it out and like hire our own people. A lot
2:25:19
Speaker 1: of the guys that worked at a lot of the
2:25:21
Speaker 1: guys that worked on the show that I did all
2:25:24
Speaker 1: lived here in bos of Montana. It was just like
2:25:26
Speaker 1: a very It was a very small group of people
2:25:29
Speaker 1: and just almost like weirdly coincidentally, we're all centered around here.
2:25:32
Speaker 1: I had lived here before they were living here. So
2:25:37
Speaker 1: when we found when we found a way to like
2:25:39
Speaker 1: spin media off and make me eater its own entity.
2:25:42
Speaker 1: We just like moved it here and then we're able
2:25:47
Speaker 1: to take like we're able to take investment to buy
2:25:51
Speaker 1: gear companies, and we had had a sponsor like first
2:25:55
Speaker 1: Light was a sponsor of ours going way back, like
2:25:57
Speaker 1: the founders were one of our first sponsors. We eventually
2:26:01
Speaker 1: got to a point where we were able to like
2:26:03
Speaker 1: to buy first Light and then other gear companies. Fahf Gear,
2:26:09
Speaker 1: Phelps Game Calls, Dave Smith Decoy's we're able to like
2:26:13
Speaker 1: to grow into this commerce brand. But my I'm like
2:26:19
Speaker 1: aware of and know what's going on and you know,
2:26:22
Speaker 1: in all aspects of it. But my day in day
2:26:25
Speaker 1: out is like our our media brand, right, so we
2:26:30
Speaker 1: look at it. We kind of look at our world
2:26:32
Speaker 1: as being we have our our commerce business and our
2:26:36
Speaker 1: and our content business. And I worked day in day out,
2:26:40
Speaker 1: I'm like in the content business. But it was just
2:26:44
Speaker 1: but it's like it's not like a thing I did.
2:26:49
Speaker 1: I didn't have like a roadmap in my head for it.
2:26:52
Speaker 1: I don't feel if you think about like your professional life,
2:26:57
Speaker 1: maybe you guys have found it differently. I've never had
2:27:00
Speaker 1: be that that. I've never been in a situation where
2:27:02
Speaker 1: I felt like I arrived in a at a tee
2:27:05
Speaker 1: in a road do you know what I mean, like
2:27:08
Speaker 1: a clean tea where you have to decide like you're
2:27:11
Speaker 1: gonna turn ninety degrees right or you're gonna turn ninety
2:27:15
Speaker 1: degrees left. I've never hit that professionally. Every junction I've
2:27:21
Speaker 1: ever come to has.
2:27:22
Speaker 11: Been like.
2:27:24
Speaker 1: Like an angle that's the obvious angle, or there's maybe
2:27:31
Speaker 1: like some little shitty dirt road you could take off
2:27:34
Speaker 1: to the side, and I've always just like been like, well,
2:27:37
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stay on the one that seems the most
2:27:39
Speaker 1: like beaten down, like it's I've never had I've never
2:27:43
Speaker 1: had like some moment to be like oh do I
2:27:46
Speaker 1: do I do this or do this because they're equally tantalizing.
2:27:51
Speaker 1: It's always been like, well, no, man, right now, for me,
2:27:53
Speaker 1: the clear option is to go that a way, right,
2:27:55
Speaker 1: And I've just always gone like, the clear option is
2:27:58
Speaker 1: to go that way, and I just go that way.
2:28:00
Speaker 1: I've never had like a door die, do you know
2:28:03
Speaker 1: what I mean? Yeah, I can't think, like thing that happened.
2:28:08
Speaker 2: To me right, change the trajectory of where you're actually going.
2:28:11
Speaker 2: It seems like it's all just been one thing to
2:28:12
Speaker 2: the next thing that's opened up the next door.
2:28:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's never some movie shit, you know, or like
2:28:17
Speaker 1: someone's like take it down, or.
2:28:18
Speaker 2: Yeah the last opportunity or a hotel room with a
2:28:21
Speaker 2: suitcase and a guy.
2:28:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, never happened.
2:28:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, was it weird getting into the content world, like
2:28:28
Speaker 2: showing showing hunts like you know some like when we
2:28:32
Speaker 2: go on these hunts and they're prepping us about Steve
2:28:34
Speaker 2: Ranella and hey, we gotta have things in order. Camera
2:28:37
Speaker 2: guys got to be right. Because you're somebody who likes
2:28:39
Speaker 2: to go and do your thing. You're not necessarily thinking
2:28:42
Speaker 2: content first. You're thinking hunting first, and the content better
2:28:45
Speaker 2: adapt around it. So was it weird when you're starting
2:28:47
Speaker 2: to implement cameras into your day to day on the
2:28:50
Speaker 2: things that you love to do and you're wanting to
2:28:52
Speaker 2: show people. Very weird, right, right, and then you're showing
2:28:55
Speaker 2: it to the world. You're putting it on socials, you're
2:28:57
Speaker 2: putting it on YouTube.
2:28:58
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was very weird. And there was a couple
2:29:00
Speaker 1: of times. There's a couple of times early on in
2:29:03
Speaker 1: trying to film stuff I like to do, there's a
2:29:06
Speaker 1: couple of times early on I was like, man, I
2:29:07
Speaker 1: just don't know if I want to do this, you know,
2:29:09
Speaker 1: but but I fell in love with it. And what
2:29:12
Speaker 1: one of the things that really one of the things
2:29:16
Speaker 1: that made our materials stand out in a somewhat crowded
2:29:20
Speaker 1: space is what made our materials stand out is remember
2:29:24
Speaker 1: something out of that shit would like working with ZPZ
2:29:27
Speaker 1: so like like picture that that Bourdain show for so
2:29:33
Speaker 1: long was like such heavy influence, you know, like cultural influence,
2:29:37
Speaker 1: Like it was emulated and it was like the cool
2:29:40
Speaker 1: kids worked on that show. It was like the cool show.
2:29:44
Speaker 1: Well those dudes. So there's like dudes that worked on
2:29:46
Speaker 1: that show. Nick brigged In, Jared Andrew Cannis, this guy
2:29:51
Speaker 1: Moe Fallon, Josh Ferrell, a bunch of dudes that worked
2:29:54
Speaker 1: on that show that would come when they weren't doing that,
2:29:58
Speaker 1: they would come out and do hunts. And these are
2:30:01
Speaker 1: guys that would they'd come out in film hunts, and
2:30:04
Speaker 1: these are guys that could give a shit about hunting.
2:30:07
Speaker 1: But what they were interested in is just like story, right,
2:30:11
Speaker 1: They're interested in like telling a good story, making things,
2:30:13
Speaker 1: like telling a beautiful story. And they're like what turned
2:30:16
Speaker 1: them onto it was They're they're like every quest is
2:30:21
Speaker 1: so sort of encapsulated and perfect. Like if you imagine
2:30:26
Speaker 1: there's a definition of a story, you'd be like, it
2:30:28
Speaker 1: seems weird to define what a story is, but like
2:30:30
Speaker 1: a definition, a working definition of a story would be
2:30:33
Speaker 1: that there's a person or a thing wants something, there
2:30:41
Speaker 1: are obstacles preventing them from getting it. A story is
2:30:47
Speaker 1: them working through those obstacles to get it. Right. So
2:30:50
Speaker 1: you go back to the Iliad, the Odyssey, whatever, like
2:30:52
Speaker 1: it's it's that's the story. Someone or something wants something
2:30:58
Speaker 1: and they have to overcome obstacles to try to achieve it.
2:31:01
Speaker 1: And they're like, dude, it's kind of perfect because all
2:31:03
Speaker 1: the shit and all the thought you put into it,
2:31:05
Speaker 1: like what is like what's happening, it's all just right there,
2:31:08
Speaker 1: Like you want to go somewhere and get something, and
2:31:12
Speaker 1: then there's all these obstacles, but they just like cappen
2:31:14
Speaker 1: naturally anyways. Yeah, and then you either do or don't.
2:31:18
Speaker 1: But it's like it's like all you do is like
2:31:20
Speaker 1: turn someone loose the once. It's like it's just it's
2:31:24
Speaker 1: there already. So they were kind of fascinated by it,
2:31:26
Speaker 1: just in this weird way of like you could make
2:31:28
Speaker 1: these really clean, really entertaining twenty you know, thirty minute
2:31:33
Speaker 1: episode is actually twenty two minutes. You can make these clean,
2:31:36
Speaker 1: entertaining little stories by just going into the woods and
2:31:40
Speaker 1: being like, what are we after? Yeah, well see you
2:31:43
Speaker 1: way up on that mountain, that thing up there, try
2:31:45
Speaker 1: to figure out get it there? Yeah, And they're like,
2:31:47
Speaker 1: and it was just it was just fun for them,
2:31:49
Speaker 1: you know. And they were able to bring their like,
2:31:52
Speaker 1: all their talents of cinematography and other stuff to this
2:31:56
Speaker 1: thing that they just thought was fun. And a lot
2:31:58
Speaker 1: of those guys later on did a little bit of
2:31:59
Speaker 1: hunting and you know, and and and and liked it.
2:32:02
Speaker 1: But they were first and foremost they were like, they
2:32:05
Speaker 1: were professionals and normally what will happen? And I'm and man,
2:32:10
Speaker 1: I am not disparaging this ship, like I do not
2:32:13
Speaker 1: want to seem like I almost I hesitated to bring
2:32:16
Speaker 1: it up. But like a lot of people that would
2:32:20
Speaker 1: come up and do hunting material would wind up being that, like,
2:32:25
Speaker 1: your crew was guys that like to hunt, you know,
2:32:28
Speaker 1: And there's a lot to be said for that. There's
2:32:30
Speaker 1: a lot to be said for it. But in those
2:32:34
Speaker 1: early days of doing it, the crew was like people
2:32:36
Speaker 1: who were like film professionals. So it was just different.
2:32:40
Speaker 1: You know, it was different, and I can't take the
2:32:42
Speaker 1: credit for it, right, right, because they brought like a
2:32:45
Speaker 1: lot and so we came out with this show and
2:32:49
Speaker 1: it was just different. And part of why it was different,
2:32:51
Speaker 1: it was it was like I'm in the world hardcore,
2:32:55
Speaker 1: But there was a lot of people involved in it
2:32:57
Speaker 1: just didn't care. Do you remember all the tribalism and
2:32:59
Speaker 1: all that lost on them? You know, if you said,
2:33:04
Speaker 1: hey man, we're gonna go hunt this kind of weird squirrel, it'd.
2:33:08
Speaker 2: Be like great.
2:33:09
Speaker 1: They didn't know enough to know that that was done.
2:33:10
Speaker 2: Cool man, let's what's what's the story? And taking down
2:33:13
Speaker 2: the squirrel? Yeah? Yeah, yeah.
2:33:16
Speaker 4: As soon as he got a crew now that I
2:33:17
Speaker 4: mean Max himself, says Willison. He pulled up the coyote
2:33:21
Speaker 4: from forward, like you got a crew that like it.
2:33:24
Speaker 2: Seems like everyone just lives and breathing.
2:33:26
Speaker 1: Now I got Now we got best of both worlds
2:33:28
Speaker 1: because now we got these guys that are like media professionals.
2:33:32
Speaker 1: But you know, long time has gone by, but now
2:33:35
Speaker 1: there's these like media professionals who are also very passionate
2:33:39
Speaker 1: and like here's the thing you take a dude like Max, really,
2:33:44
Speaker 1: I mean, if you kind of looked at it, you'd
2:33:46
Speaker 1: almost maybe think that, like if someone came down like
2:33:49
Speaker 1: a A A A A an objective person came down
2:33:54
Speaker 1: and sort of looked at the meritocracy of it all,
2:33:57
Speaker 1: they might be like, dude, I think that Max should
2:33:59
Speaker 1: be the guy on camera, and Steve should be and
2:34:03
Speaker 1: Max crushes old dude. Steve should be like the whatever,
2:34:08
Speaker 1: like the fucking the CFO guy or some ship. And
2:34:14
Speaker 1: it should be that this Max dude is like hosting
2:34:16
Speaker 1: the trips because like he's got like he's got all this,
2:34:19
Speaker 1: you know, he's.
2:34:20
Speaker 2: Like a you got your guys like walking around with them.
2:34:24
Speaker 2: It's Max spots the Cayo four hundred yards away Steve's.
2:34:29
Speaker 2: Once Max points it out, Steve's knows exactly where it is.
2:34:31
Speaker 2: And I'm thinking, what are these guys looking like, where
2:34:34
Speaker 2: the hey, Steve, where we're at on the mountain. It's
2:34:36
Speaker 2: right under there, under that little lip of the cliff,
2:34:38
Speaker 2: and I'm I'm trying to spot in the next thing.
2:34:41
Speaker 2: You know, Steve's on the gun. But even walking these
2:34:43
Speaker 2: guys and birds, these guys in bird, He'll he'll be
2:34:47
Speaker 2: in the middle of a story that he's been telling
2:34:49
Speaker 2: this entire podcast, and they'll just I don't even know
2:34:52
Speaker 2: what happens, but he stops, like the way you you know,
2:34:55
Speaker 2: talk about Garrett where he just kind of stops and
2:34:57
Speaker 2: looks around. But he'll be Steve be in the middle
2:35:00
Speaker 2: of a story and he'll just stop and him be like,
2:35:02
Speaker 2: mact you heard that. Yeah, yeah, that seems like one
2:35:05
Speaker 2: of those blueberry pheasants that that came down that migrated
2:35:10
Speaker 2: down from the northeast. Yes, sounds about four years old.
2:35:13
Speaker 2: It sounds like he brought his family down here. And
2:35:17
Speaker 2: it'll be in the middle of a story and he'll
2:35:18
Speaker 2: just hear this noise were they're talking about some like
2:35:21
Speaker 2: some crane and max like it stands like four feet tall.
2:35:25
Speaker 1: From the south. We're talking about Sandhill crane.
2:35:29
Speaker 2: We'll be walking on the hill and we'll be walking
2:35:32
Speaker 2: on the hill and Steve will just stop it. He'll
2:35:34
Speaker 2: sprint to this other hill and find this little bottom
2:35:37
Speaker 2: jaw of a lizard bonum. But hey, check this out
2:35:39
Speaker 2: about how.
2:35:39
Speaker 1: The did you see that.
2:35:42
Speaker 2: Your eyes operate that way?
2:35:44
Speaker 4: Something as simple as we're like driving back in the
2:35:46
Speaker 4: can am from the night hunt last night.
2:35:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, and garrets. In the middle of talking about horses
2:35:51
Speaker 2: and a bird goes by. He's like, yeah, so we
2:35:53
Speaker 2: had we robi pheasant and he just he has to
2:35:58
Speaker 2: let me know he saw this bird and you know,
2:36:02
Speaker 2: every pardicular just so you know.
2:36:05
Speaker 4: That blur that just went across your face as a pheasant.
2:36:07
Speaker 4: You'll never be able to see it again.
2:36:09
Speaker 2: But that's as long as you know. Now. It's insane.
2:36:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, there is a thing that's like, imagine you could
2:36:17
Speaker 1: look at it and you'd be like, it's like, uh,
2:36:20
Speaker 1: well I was insane. I imagine someone could want to
2:36:22
Speaker 1: look down on it and say it's just sort of
2:36:24
Speaker 1: like some kind of like colonial tendency or whatever. I
2:36:27
Speaker 1: don't know, but there is a thing with outdoorsmen be
2:36:31
Speaker 1: like that cataloging landscape is I've never called it that before,
2:36:38
Speaker 1: but just hearing you guys talk about there is a
2:36:40
Speaker 1: thing of like the need to.
2:36:43
Speaker 6: Like list it all.
2:36:44
Speaker 2: Yeah.
2:36:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you ad you have to go like
2:36:48
Speaker 1: you have you can't. It can't go unnoticed.
2:36:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like you guys are legit, like like
2:36:55
Speaker 2: like wild animals like a noises You're like, yeah, you
2:36:58
Speaker 2: can part of land and Steve yesterday. We're just standing
2:37:02
Speaker 2: by the river. He's like, oh, look the beavers. This
2:37:04
Speaker 2: is where they kind of you know, this is kind
2:37:06
Speaker 2: of where they It's like they're Johnny on the spot.
2:37:09
Speaker 2: Look they're rolling around over here. That's beautiful.
2:37:11
Speaker 1: And you're standing there.
2:37:12
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, grass here.
2:37:14
Speaker 4: And Steve goes, you see this, this horseshoe in this
2:37:16
Speaker 4: little river. I'm like, yeah, he goes, We'll see how
2:37:18
Speaker 4: it's kind of like uh sloped here. Well, the beavers
2:37:21
Speaker 4: and the otters they just think I'm not gonna take
2:37:22
Speaker 4: that trail. I'm just gonna go and slide over through here.
2:37:24
Speaker 4: And I'm just like standing in the middle of like
2:37:26
Speaker 4: their highway or whatever.
2:37:27
Speaker 2: In the ud. He's talking about the method.
2:37:29
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you're like slowly sinking to your death. And
2:37:32
Speaker 4: he's like, you know some crazy guys when ice fishing
2:37:34
Speaker 4: back there, it's like this wealth and knowledge, Yeah, wealth
2:37:40
Speaker 4: and knowledge never been hitting.
2:37:41
Speaker 2: The head that many times?
2:37:42
Speaker 4: Yeah, do you when you go out with these guys
2:37:45
Speaker 4: like obviously Will and I we sit there and we
2:37:46
Speaker 4: obviously been to knee like we don't we're we're we
2:37:49
Speaker 4: listen to you. We know, we don't know, so that
2:37:52
Speaker 4: makes it more fun for us to learn and like
2:37:54
Speaker 4: hear your stories. Do you ever have guests that come
2:37:57
Speaker 4: in and be like the greatest hunter, I'm maybe the
2:38:01
Speaker 4: greatest gift to hunting I've ever anyone's ever seen. And
2:38:07
Speaker 4: I had something like that and tells a story has
2:38:09
Speaker 4: nothing to do with anything he's saying.
2:38:11
Speaker 1: I have definitely encountered blowhards, but no, not like no,
2:38:17
Speaker 1: you know, it just doesn't happen. Uh, it doesn't happen,
2:38:23
Speaker 1: and I try not to. I just try not to
2:38:27
Speaker 1: even create environments where that's like I just like the
2:38:33
Speaker 1: dick swinging and all that. Like, I like, I'm sure
2:38:37
Speaker 1: you could probably build you could probably build a world
2:38:40
Speaker 1: where it was just full of it, you know, but
2:38:44
Speaker 1: I just am so I just I dislike it. I
2:38:47
Speaker 1: dislike it.
2:38:48
Speaker 2: Are there any uh content creators in the outdoors world
2:38:51
Speaker 2: out there that are just kind of full of ship.
2:38:54
Speaker 1: Like I'll be I'll be around crazy, I'll be out
2:38:57
Speaker 1: around some what.
2:38:58
Speaker 2: We want you to do?
2:38:58
Speaker 4: On Bust with the Boy started with another outdoor where's
2:39:01
Speaker 4: the outdoor beef?
2:39:02
Speaker 1: Yeah?
2:39:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, beef.
2:39:05
Speaker 1: You gotta be Yeah, No, you'd have to be. Uh,
2:39:07
Speaker 1: there's no way, there's no way I would ever take
2:39:10
Speaker 1: that question on.
2:39:11
Speaker 2: But say you don't take the question, are there are
2:39:13
Speaker 2: their thoughts of like, yeah, there's some people that are
2:39:15
Speaker 2: like I'll be around some outdoor buddies and they'll bring
2:39:17
Speaker 2: up some brand or some personality. In fact, they curate
2:39:20
Speaker 2: it this way. But I've I've hunted with this guy
2:39:22
Speaker 2: and it's all it's all manufactured.
2:39:24
Speaker 1: Well, here, I'll tell you this. It won't be as
2:39:27
Speaker 1: satisfying you to hear it. There are people I know
2:39:32
Speaker 1: that are like exceptionally talented hunters, and I'll know that
2:39:37
Speaker 1: they're like I'll know their bio. I'll know that they're
2:39:40
Speaker 1: exceptionally talented and like extremely dedicated, and then I'll hear rumors, Oh,
2:39:45
Speaker 1: yeah he ain't ship, he did this, he did that,
2:39:48
Speaker 1: and I'm like, dude, it's not true, man, it's not true.
2:39:52
Speaker 1: Like there's such an appetite to there's such an appetite
2:39:56
Speaker 1: to see people be diminished, in such an appetite to
2:40:00
Speaker 1: see people be put in their place.
2:40:03
Speaker 2: That that.
2:40:05
Speaker 1: People want those stories. They ask for those stories. They're
2:40:09
Speaker 1: hoping for those stories. They're hoping to hear a story
2:40:13
Speaker 1: about how terrible someone is. So in the same way
2:40:17
Speaker 1: that if I'm talking to listen man, well, no, hear
2:40:24
Speaker 1: me out on this, because like there's different ways of
2:40:26
Speaker 1: looking at shit, Like if I'm hearing all about let's
2:40:30
Speaker 1: say I'm you know, let's say I'm talking to my
2:40:31
Speaker 1: wife and I'm hearing all about someone how terrible some
2:40:35
Speaker 1: friend's husband is, or maybe I'm hearing about all about
2:40:38
Speaker 1: how terrible some friend's wife is. I'm always sitting there
2:40:43
Speaker 1: thinking to myself, why I'd have to hear their story too? Right?
2:40:47
Speaker 1: It infuriates people around me where when I hear a
2:40:51
Speaker 1: story a lot of times I'm like, I have like
2:40:54
Speaker 1: a somewhat contrarian thing where I'm like, why I'd have
2:40:57
Speaker 1: to hear more from them? You know, sounds bad, but
2:40:59
Speaker 1: I don't know. I haven't heard the full story. So
2:41:03
Speaker 1: there is so you hear so much shit talking, it's
2:41:09
Speaker 1: got to be way worse, and it's got to be
2:41:12
Speaker 1: way worse in your guys world of like professional like
2:41:17
Speaker 1: like like in athletics, it's got to be like a
2:41:19
Speaker 1: thousand times worse. But yeah, there's this thing where everybody
2:41:23
Speaker 1: wants everybody to be ain't shit. They ain't all that,
2:41:28
Speaker 1: they don't at their opposer whatever, you know what I mean,
2:41:32
Speaker 1: And when I hear it, I'm was like, man, knowing
2:41:34
Speaker 1: how bad people want negative to be true and that
2:41:38
Speaker 1: they're rooting for negatives to be true, I just tend
2:41:41
Speaker 1: to just dismiss it.
2:41:42
Speaker 4: Sounds like a much more peaceful lifestyle than will and
2:41:45
Speaker 4: what will I grew up. I grew up in because
2:41:47
Speaker 4: the locker room can be a nasty place.
2:41:49
Speaker 1: It's such a perform because.
2:41:51
Speaker 4: You want to be seen as better, even if you
2:41:53
Speaker 4: want to be looked at as better than you might
2:41:55
Speaker 4: might actually be a lot of times guys will lean
2:41:57
Speaker 4: to well, he's not very good, I'm better, or especially
2:42:01
Speaker 4: in like position groups, or.
2:42:02
Speaker 2: If somebody gets coached a little differently, coach is harder
2:42:05
Speaker 2: on somebody else, or you see, you know, if I'm
2:42:08
Speaker 2: thinking of my experiences, you might feel like I might
2:42:11
Speaker 2: feel like I'm doing something correctly. I'm getting really I'm
2:42:14
Speaker 2: getting coached on something very small, and somebody that could
2:42:17
Speaker 2: be above me on the depth chart per se, they
2:42:20
Speaker 2: could be doing something that the technique that's going on
2:42:23
Speaker 2: is not even being taught. But the coach kind of
2:42:24
Speaker 2: goes over it because he's he's like, yeah, he's the
2:42:27
Speaker 2: guy you know what I mean, And so you feel
2:42:29
Speaker 2: like this, you feel like this bitterness that could build
2:42:31
Speaker 2: in your mind because yeah, it's all so it's all
2:42:35
Speaker 2: so performance based and in your success and you attaining
2:42:39
Speaker 2: this you know, the roster spot or whatever it is
2:42:43
Speaker 2: is like predicated on your performance. So I feel like
2:42:45
Speaker 2: you're very more high alert or highly aware of all
2:42:49
Speaker 2: of these stories that are going on around you to
2:42:51
Speaker 2: make it seem like you're you're doing the correct thing.
2:42:53
Speaker 2: And this guy he's not that good, Like your past
2:42:56
Speaker 2: set's different than this guy, but the headlines are really
2:42:58
Speaker 2: happened this guy up And you're like, I mean, he's
2:42:59
Speaker 2: not really right, he doesn't have it. Yeah, he doesn't
2:43:02
Speaker 2: have that. Yeah, I feel like it is a lot
2:43:04
Speaker 2: conversation in.
2:43:05
Speaker 4: The sports world. I can almost we almost speak for football,
2:43:07
Speaker 4: but ego, Yeah, it's insanely it's insane, it's out of control.
2:43:12
Speaker 1: Do you feel that in in that world? Do you
2:43:15
Speaker 1: feel that there's a way that talent isn't captured by stats?
2:43:21
Speaker 1: Like it seems to me like how could there be
2:43:22
Speaker 1: anything to argue about because all all reality is laid out,
2:43:28
Speaker 1: like all reality is is on the table.
2:43:31
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, I think you can there's stats only tell
2:43:35
Speaker 4: part of the story. It's easy to see with like
2:43:37
Speaker 4: receivers or quarterbacks and all that. But like take Will
2:43:40
Speaker 4: for instance. We Will was the middle linebacker, if he
2:43:43
Speaker 4: had two de tackles that are shitty in front of him,
2:43:46
Speaker 4: it's gonna make him look worse, and they might get
2:43:48
Speaker 4: the detaglers might have better stats because they're doing things
2:43:51
Speaker 4: that they shouldn't be doing, but they're getting through the
2:43:53
Speaker 4: line of screams a little bit faster, but they're leaving big,
2:43:55
Speaker 4: gaping holes where Will has to now have a bigger
2:43:57
Speaker 4: area to cover to make a tackle.
2:43:59
Speaker 1: He's look worse.
2:44:00
Speaker 2: But if you have two guys that.
2:44:01
Speaker 4: Are doing their job in that instance and maybe not
2:44:03
Speaker 4: making the tackle, but putting everybody else in a position
2:44:05
Speaker 4: to make the tackle, their value now goes up a
2:44:08
Speaker 4: lot more offensive line there isom's.
2:44:13
Speaker 2: There's more room.
2:44:14
Speaker 4: Yeah, because you talk to like offensive linemen, our stats
2:44:18
Speaker 4: are only negative how many penalties you get, how many
2:44:20
Speaker 4: sacks you give up, those types of things. But there
2:44:24
Speaker 4: is a way like helping your neighbor, Like we like
2:44:27
Speaker 4: as five guys on offensive line, Like we're only as
2:44:29
Speaker 4: good as a cohesive unit. So if I'm playing great
2:44:31
Speaker 4: with my left guard's playing bad, or vice versa. Like
2:44:34
Speaker 4: it's kind of on both of us because there's so
2:44:36
Speaker 4: many times in a game that I can help my
2:44:38
Speaker 4: buddy out with, you know, putting my hand and a
2:44:41
Speaker 4: guy's shoulder at a certain spot so it turns his
2:44:43
Speaker 4: shoulder more so it makes that reach block easier for
2:44:45
Speaker 4: my guard, or he helps me out on the backside
2:44:48
Speaker 4: cut off. There's so many it's like that's why it's
2:44:50
Speaker 4: the greatest team sport. Ever, It's like no one can
2:44:53
Speaker 4: just do it by themselves.
2:44:54
Speaker 2: It's not like basketball.
2:44:55
Speaker 4: We can just have like a superstar that puts like
2:44:56
Speaker 4: forty up a game. Everyone's got a kind of function
2:44:59
Speaker 4: and have this well oiled machine working as one unit.
2:45:02
Speaker 4: Otherwise it all falls apart. But with that comes guys
2:45:04
Speaker 4: getting more stats than others and paid more and an ego.
2:45:08
Speaker 4: Well I should have got this because I was will
2:45:10
Speaker 4: had one hundred tackles this year, but I was eating
2:45:12
Speaker 4: up two blocks at a time. I should be getting
2:45:13
Speaker 4: paid more than ego. Fights fights fights. That's why culturally,
2:45:17
Speaker 4: you need great leadership not only in the locker room,
2:45:20
Speaker 4: but also from a coaching standpoint as well. So it's
2:45:24
Speaker 4: a there's a lot of different nuances in the football
2:45:26
Speaker 4: world that.
2:45:27
Speaker 2: Are just yeah, there's a lot underneath the surface, a
2:45:30
Speaker 2: lot underneath. Yeah, gaps can get filled in and not
2:45:32
Speaker 2: as like comparable to like basketball, where I feel like
2:45:35
Speaker 2: the realities and the stats are laid out a little bit,
2:45:38
Speaker 2: a little bit easier for like the objective eye. Yeah.
2:45:41
Speaker 2: But going off of like.
2:45:44
Speaker 4: Not hating on people, but was there ever a guess
2:45:47
Speaker 4: that came on and you're like, I don't know if
2:45:49
Speaker 4: what this guy's going to know, like and was like
2:45:50
Speaker 4: a pleasant surprise of their knowledge and understanding of the
2:45:53
Speaker 4: outdoors they kind of stood out to you.
2:45:57
Speaker 1: There's there's been a lot of people that have stood
2:45:59
Speaker 1: out to me, but I can't think of people did
2:46:01
Speaker 1: where I want to being surprised.
2:46:03
Speaker 4: And you can't say us, yeah, yeah, yeah, I feel
2:46:07
Speaker 4: like you were surprised with our shooting abilities last time.
2:46:09
Speaker 1: That was surprising. Well, I was surprised until I thought
2:46:13
Speaker 1: about it, but then I thought about it. But like,
2:46:18
Speaker 1: but you guys have obviously you have to have like
2:46:20
Speaker 1: a very good you have to have a very developed
2:46:23
Speaker 1: sense of situational awareness, extremely good hand eye coordination mhm, right,
2:46:30
Speaker 1: and just like a little zip in your head. That
2:46:35
Speaker 1: was not me.
2:46:36
Speaker 2: You know, I'm claiming what happened there we go.
2:46:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, because a zip in your head like a fast
2:46:51
Speaker 1: kind of like thinking thing. So then it was like,
2:46:55
Speaker 1: then it made sense to me that you would excel
2:46:57
Speaker 1: at it, you know, because you have a and then
2:46:59
Speaker 1: all so there's a competitive drive. So it made sense
2:47:02
Speaker 1: to me. But I was surprised, Yeah, because I've seen
2:47:04
Speaker 1: people really struggle with, you know, trying to pick up
2:47:08
Speaker 1: a shotgun and hit a moving target with a shotgun.
2:47:10
Speaker 1: But then when you factor in that your whole life
2:47:14
Speaker 1: has been you know, big portions of your life are
2:47:18
Speaker 1: focused around a moving ball and following it and figuring
2:47:24
Speaker 1: out what to do and making quick decisions. So yeah,
2:47:26
Speaker 1: that would make sense you'd wind up being good. Now,
2:47:31
Speaker 1: I was telling I was telling Will about something the
2:47:34
Speaker 1: our days, like we went out kyot Colin. Okay, and
2:47:37
Speaker 1: we'll go Kyote calling. It's kind of a mid winter
2:47:40
Speaker 1: thing here, like after big game hunting seasons are all done,
2:47:45
Speaker 1: just a fun thing to do to keep active at
2:47:47
Speaker 1: a time of year and there's not a lot going on,
2:47:49
Speaker 1: so we'll go Kyle Colin. But I was telling him,
2:47:51
Speaker 1: I got a friend, this guy named Mercer Long right,
2:47:54
Speaker 1: who's a professional predator guy. Like he catches he does
2:48:00
Speaker 1: government work as a caller for predation work he does.
2:48:06
Speaker 1: He catches bobcats for researchers to put radio callers on.
2:48:10
Speaker 1: Like his whole life. He's a fur trapper, so catches
2:48:16
Speaker 1: bobcats for the fur market. I'm bouncing over the place,
2:48:21
Speaker 1: catches bobcats for the fur market. Does predator work for
2:48:25
Speaker 1: biologists where if you have like imperiled species and you're
2:48:30
Speaker 1: trying to and you're trying to help sustain like a
2:48:35
Speaker 1: small population of animals and try to get them built
2:48:38
Speaker 1: back up again, and so you're trying to reduce predation
2:48:41
Speaker 1: on that little population of animals. He's a guy that
2:48:44
Speaker 1: will come in and do predator control, very targeted predator
2:48:47
Speaker 1: control in a place and catches stuff for researchers who
2:48:52
Speaker 1: want to do put collars on them, radio tracking collars
2:48:56
Speaker 1: on them. It's all this guy, I mean, like his
2:48:59
Speaker 1: whole life. So here's a guy that he'll call. He'll
2:49:04
Speaker 1: go predator calling for months on end, every day, months
2:49:10
Speaker 1: on end. You get to like you guys will make
2:49:14
Speaker 1: some jokes about like, oh you guys know this, and
2:49:16
Speaker 1: you're me, you know, me and Max or me and
2:49:18
Speaker 1: Garrett will like see this and see this and see this.
2:49:22
Speaker 1: You go hang out with like a dude like that
2:49:24
Speaker 1: who has been hyper focused on one small little component
2:49:29
Speaker 1: of this, and then you get into like some holy
2:49:32
Speaker 1: shit shit.
2:49:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like snow white talking to the animals.
2:49:36
Speaker 1: Dude. You get into like, you get into highly focused man.
2:49:40
Speaker 1: And then I had a couple of experiences of being
2:49:42
Speaker 1: able to go down to South America and hang out
2:49:45
Speaker 1: with indigenous South Americans and so here your people living,
2:49:51
Speaker 1: you know, live in a community in the jungle. Your
2:49:55
Speaker 1: people have always been there. They spend their whole lives
2:50:00
Speaker 1: maybe within let's say you spend your whole life within
2:50:03
Speaker 1: about a seventy five mile radius. But so did your
2:50:07
Speaker 1: great grandpa, your grandpa, your dad. You you guys hunting
2:50:13
Speaker 1: fish two hundred and fifty days a year. You want
2:50:17
Speaker 1: to talk about hearing some bird off in the distance. Yeah,
2:50:21
Speaker 1: they know what it is. They know what treeo it's
2:50:22
Speaker 1: sitting on. They know what that bird's mom was. You
2:50:26
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's like you can't there's a level,
2:50:31
Speaker 1: there's there's a level of depth to this shit that
2:50:34
Speaker 1: that certain people can get and like I get to
2:50:37
Speaker 1: live in it, but I live in this whole other
2:50:39
Speaker 1: thing of like like you know, producing media, and there's
2:50:41
Speaker 1: like a business component. There's a lot of guys out there.
2:50:45
Speaker 1: There's a lot of guys out there that just do
2:50:47
Speaker 1: a very stripped down version of just all in fucking
2:50:53
Speaker 1: all nature all the time, man. And that's like hanging
2:50:56
Speaker 1: out with When you talk about being surprised by people,
2:50:59
Speaker 1: the surprise winds up being how deep you can go
2:51:04
Speaker 1: and how good you can get on on on like
2:51:10
Speaker 1: wildlife and just immersing yourself into that natural world man.
2:51:15
Speaker 1: And uh, I get to touch it. I get to
2:51:17
Speaker 1: like tickle it, you know. But there's some dudes that
2:51:20
Speaker 1: live it. Yeah. And I always try to be clear, like,
2:51:24
Speaker 1: you know, I never run around talking about you know,
2:51:28
Speaker 1: I never run around talking about knowing more than whoever,
2:51:32
Speaker 1: because I've met the guys that know, like, I've met
2:51:36
Speaker 1: the guys that know it all, and I can't compare
2:51:39
Speaker 1: myself to them. Yeah, do you know what I mean?
2:51:41
Speaker 1: Because they're just too deep. They're too deep. They'll never
2:51:44
Speaker 1: catch them.
2:51:44
Speaker 4: So many like side categories. There's obviously, like hunting, right
2:51:48
Speaker 4: is just one thing and then there's all these different
2:51:50
Speaker 4: things that people can specialize in, finding these guys that
2:51:53
Speaker 4: just like sit out there, and the generations of all
2:51:56
Speaker 4: that is just it's just nuts to me. There's like
2:51:58
Speaker 4: you can never learn too much. Yeah, there's never an
2:52:01
Speaker 4: end date, like you officially reached the pinnacle of the outdoors.
2:52:07
Speaker 1: There's like, there's this thing I found bouncing around the
2:52:10
Speaker 1: country that like an observation I've had is it doesn't
2:52:14
Speaker 1: matter anywhere you're going. Anywhere you go in the country,
2:52:17
Speaker 1: you could have two houses next to each other. Okay,
2:52:20
Speaker 1: anywhere you go in the country and there's two outdoorsmen
2:52:22
Speaker 1: they live next to each other. You can find the
2:52:27
Speaker 1: one guy in the house on the right who's like,
2:52:31
Speaker 1: everything's all fucked up. It used to be good, but
2:52:34
Speaker 1: all the spots are gone now, the woods is full
2:52:37
Speaker 1: of idiots. Everybody's out there, the fishing socks now, the
2:52:43
Speaker 1: Fish and Game Agency fucked everything up right right, and
2:52:47
Speaker 1: then the left house right next to him always as
2:52:52
Speaker 1: a dude's like, fuck, you can't even scratch the surface. Yeah,
2:52:56
Speaker 1: it's too good, there's too much to do, you know
2:52:59
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's like everywhere you go, those two
2:53:03
Speaker 1: dudes everywhere you go, there's those two dudes, you know,
2:53:07
Speaker 1: And I just like the guy in the left house, better.
2:53:09
Speaker 2: Man that's ready to find the new pivot, find the
2:53:11
Speaker 2: new way to figure out. Excited man breaking break through
2:53:15
Speaker 2: another ceiling, can't.
2:53:16
Speaker 1: Scratch the surface, too much to do. It's like you
2:53:19
Speaker 1: always there's always those dudes, and I'm always like, I'd
2:53:22
Speaker 1: rather talk to that left hand, the left house guy
2:53:25
Speaker 1: that can't scratch the surface. And it's like there's that
2:53:28
Speaker 1: like infectiousness about it, you know, getting out.
2:53:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, sorry, I was gonna ask.
2:53:36
Speaker 1: You.
2:53:36
Speaker 2: Have you you speak to so many people that are
2:53:40
Speaker 2: both hunters and even non hunters because you have this
2:53:43
Speaker 2: this knowledge of with history and again you're able to
2:53:46
Speaker 2: weave all these things in that kind of kind of
2:53:49
Speaker 2: bring it relatable to everybody. So I want to put
2:53:52
Speaker 2: you in a situation where you're speaking to So let's
2:53:56
Speaker 2: just say guys like Tailor and myself, people that are
2:53:58
Speaker 2: kind of like, you know, they flirt with hunting. They
2:54:00
Speaker 2: have kids. You know, we're both girl dads. You're very
2:54:04
Speaker 2: you're very adamant about getting your kids out the whole
2:54:06
Speaker 2: arena of consequences. And let's just say you're speaking to
2:54:10
Speaker 2: you're speaking to potential hunters, or you're speaking to hunters
2:54:12
Speaker 2: that just kind of dip in and they're wanting to
2:54:14
Speaker 2: learn about your philosophy of getting kids involved in getting
2:54:16
Speaker 2: in the outdoors. More Like, what would be kind of
2:54:19
Speaker 2: your general approach when speaking to a group like that,
2:54:22
Speaker 2: because again, I think you do a it's really cool
2:54:25
Speaker 2: to hear you talk about hunting in a way to
2:54:27
Speaker 2: where you know that you are immersed in it in
2:54:30
Speaker 2: such a way that is very intimidating and you feel
2:54:32
Speaker 2: like you can't belong, but you're also able to sit
2:54:35
Speaker 2: next to guys like us to where it it makes
2:54:37
Speaker 2: it seem so fun and that where you want to
2:54:39
Speaker 2: dive into a more.
2:54:40
Speaker 1: I I've developed a couple philosophies about with with families
2:54:47
Speaker 1: and getting kids outside. Is like, remember I was talking
2:54:49
Speaker 1: about in picking a career, it'd be that you get
2:54:54
Speaker 1: you got to either get where if you're trying to
2:54:57
Speaker 1: do a thing that's hard, you got to get where
2:55:00
Speaker 1: you're just gonna do it or die, you know what
2:55:03
Speaker 1: I mean? And I would would it would have a
2:55:05
Speaker 1: little kids. It's so hard to get out. It's like
2:55:11
Speaker 1: you go and you're like oh, there's like the snack
2:55:13
Speaker 1: shit and this one still wears diapers, you know what
2:55:15
Speaker 1: I mean, Like this one like take some weird ass
2:55:20
Speaker 1: nap in the middle of the day every day, I mean,
2:55:22
Speaker 1: and like at a point you just be like, well,
2:55:24
Speaker 1: just never mind, man, I'm not gonna do shit, and
2:55:26
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna become like a bitter dad who's like
2:55:29
Speaker 1: pissed at his kids because I can't go.
2:55:32
Speaker 2: You know.
2:55:33
Speaker 1: I'd be like I'm just gonna do that route and
2:55:35
Speaker 1: kind of resent my kids and kind of be shitty
2:55:38
Speaker 1: to my wife and just generally be pissed because now
2:55:41
Speaker 1: I can't live out my uh, I can't live out
2:55:44
Speaker 1: my passions, and I'm just like an old hasband dude.
2:55:49
Speaker 1: The amount of dudes that fall into that, you know,
2:55:52
Speaker 1: a lot, and I just didn't want to, Like I
2:55:57
Speaker 1: didn't want to do that, and so I just had it.
2:56:01
Speaker 1: I would set a goal even when they're little, like
2:56:05
Speaker 1: you know, with all that ship like diapers and all
2:56:08
Speaker 1: that garbage. I would I would set like a goal
2:56:11
Speaker 1: like we're gonna go today and we're gonna like I
2:56:15
Speaker 1: don't give a ship what happens. There's no way it's
2:56:18
Speaker 1: not gonna happen. We're gonna go fish, you know, and
2:56:22
Speaker 1: maybe we're gonna fish something that's not that exciting. We're
2:56:24
Speaker 1: gonna go catch some blue gills whatever. But like I
2:56:26
Speaker 1: don't give a ship, dude. If we don't fish, I'm
2:56:28
Speaker 1: gonna kill myself, you know.
2:56:31
Speaker 2: What I mean?
2:56:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, And like I had like go at it like
2:56:34
Speaker 1: that with little ones, and I'll tell you here's the
2:56:37
Speaker 1: thing that I found, Like, well, there's there's there's two parts.
2:56:40
Speaker 1: Because this is the area that we that me and
2:56:42
Speaker 1: my wife agree on is we're not terribly interested with
2:56:46
Speaker 1: little kids. We're not like really interested in what they think.
2:56:51
Speaker 1: I don't really want to hear about. Like I'm not
2:56:53
Speaker 1: that interested in what they want to eat. Right, It's
2:56:56
Speaker 1: like you're gonna eat what we're having, and I'm not
2:56:59
Speaker 1: that int in On Saturday, we're going fishing. I don't
2:57:03
Speaker 1: want to go fishing. I was gonna go to Bobby's house.
2:57:04
Speaker 1: It's like, no, you're not going to Bobby's. We're going
2:57:07
Speaker 1: doing that. Like you live in our house and we'll
2:57:13
Speaker 1: lean your way a lot, but in a lot of ways,
2:57:15
Speaker 1: you're gonna lean our way and you're gonna do the
2:57:19
Speaker 1: things we're gonna do because I think that one of
2:57:20
Speaker 1: the most important things you can demonstrate to your kids
2:57:24
Speaker 1: is like demonstrate to them what it's like to be
2:57:28
Speaker 1: passionate about something. You know, like if everything, if all
2:57:33
Speaker 1: you ever can bring to the table for your kids
2:57:35
Speaker 1: is just like this kind of like ambivalence, passivity. Well,
2:57:39
Speaker 1: I guess we'll go down to the park, because what
2:57:41
Speaker 1: else you supposed to do with a kid later on?
2:57:44
Speaker 1: Like what is their impression about how you later on
2:57:48
Speaker 1: when they're grown up and they're thinking about it, Like
2:57:51
Speaker 1: what is their impression about how you engage with the world?
2:57:55
Speaker 2: You know?
2:57:56
Speaker 1: Even if my kids and they probably won't, I don't know.
2:57:59
Speaker 1: I remember someone saying that. Or if your kids don't
2:58:00
Speaker 1: like the hunting fish as much as you do, I'm like,
2:58:02
Speaker 1: not many people do. Man, Whatever that happens to them,
2:58:08
Speaker 1: if they don't go at all, they will when they're
2:58:11
Speaker 1: when I'm dead and they're sitting around with their spouses
2:58:13
Speaker 1: and they're like goofing on their dad, remembering their dad,
2:58:16
Speaker 1: They're gonna remember someone who was fucking on it, do
2:58:20
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Who was like driving hard.
2:58:25
Speaker 1: And they maybe won't like it, but they'll later they'll
2:58:28
Speaker 1: laugh about it, and they'll probably uh begrudgingly, they'll be like, yeah,
2:58:33
Speaker 1: I learned some shit from that, you know, and it'll
2:58:37
Speaker 1: be that like what you're gonna do, like be fucking tenacious.
2:58:42
Speaker 1: And so it's not to me like getting them into
2:58:45
Speaker 1: the outdoors is it's like selfish because that's what I
2:58:51
Speaker 1: want to do. But it's also it's also like, well,
2:58:54
Speaker 1: I'm showing them what it's like to care about something,
2:58:57
Speaker 1: what it's like to try to excel at it, what
2:58:59
Speaker 1: it's like to try to like be in it, what
2:59:01
Speaker 1: it's like to try to do hard little goals, you know,
2:59:05
Speaker 1: and uh, and it's not just to make them be
2:59:08
Speaker 1: outdoors people. It's just to have them see that like
2:59:12
Speaker 1: that you can that it's good to go through life
2:59:16
Speaker 1: fired up, you know, to be like this is fucking
2:59:21
Speaker 1: we're going man, Yeah it's windy, it's fucking cold, let's go.
2:59:25
Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, I love that because I think in
2:59:29
Speaker 2: a way, like whether or not they picked it up,
2:59:31
Speaker 2: they're about it later in life or when you're still around,
2:59:34
Speaker 2: but the moment that they start to have families themselves
2:59:37
Speaker 2: and think about it or if you you know, unfortunately
2:59:39
Speaker 2: weren't around anymore and you're able to recall things like
2:59:42
Speaker 2: ultimately you would bring they will be bringing that into
2:59:46
Speaker 2: their world because they're going to actually start to remember.
2:59:48
Speaker 2: It's like all the things we resent about or you
2:59:50
Speaker 2: get we would get upset about with our parents, and
2:59:52
Speaker 2: then you look back on things that they did and
2:59:54
Speaker 2: it's like, well, this is why they did they did this,
2:59:56
Speaker 2: and then it starts to come out through you now
2:59:58
Speaker 2: that we have families. I love that interesting.
3:00:00
Speaker 4: How parents will be like, you don't like this now,
3:00:02
Speaker 4: but you're going to appreciate it later, I say to
3:00:04
Speaker 4: you when you're a kid, and then you actually sit
3:00:05
Speaker 4: back and like, yo, I actually I really do appreciate
3:00:07
Speaker 4: it because it's very difficult. I have a seven and
3:00:10
Speaker 4: a four year old, and I want so badly to
3:00:13
Speaker 4: be a place where they can come and talk to
3:00:14
Speaker 4: me about things, where they can just say, well, how
3:00:16
Speaker 4: are you emotionally feeling? How do we work through it?
3:00:18
Speaker 4: What's the process of communication so that you don't just
3:00:21
Speaker 4: lose a gasket every single time you're mad about something
3:00:23
Speaker 4: like how do you process it in your mind and
3:00:25
Speaker 4: have an ability to talk about it? But then it's
3:00:27
Speaker 4: like I worry because I was successful and my kids
3:00:32
Speaker 4: live a much better life than I did growing up.
3:00:35
Speaker 4: And it's like, hey, how do I stop? How do
3:00:38
Speaker 4: I one make sure they have work ethic and then
3:00:40
Speaker 4: in a passion.
3:00:41
Speaker 2: In whatever they're doing.
3:00:43
Speaker 4: And I think the answer you gave it is the
3:00:44
Speaker 4: correct one, which is show them, like show them every day.
3:00:48
Speaker 4: Like the reason why your dat is successful is because
3:00:51
Speaker 4: of X, Y and Z. The reason why he has
3:00:54
Speaker 4: a hard work at this because he's passionate about the
3:00:55
Speaker 4: things he's working towards.
3:00:56
Speaker 1: Yep.
3:00:57
Speaker 4: And you just show him that over and over again
3:00:59
Speaker 4: eventually there and be like, Okay, I want to succeed
3:01:01
Speaker 4: in these things, Well, how would I do that? Well,
3:01:03
Speaker 4: my dad's successful. He did X, Y, and Z, and
3:01:06
Speaker 4: they can always lean back on that. So it's a
3:01:08
Speaker 4: very it's a difficult thing because I've been around. I
3:01:11
Speaker 4: went to I went to high school. My senior year,
3:01:13
Speaker 4: I transferred down to Scott's to Arizona. It's a very
3:01:15
Speaker 4: rich area of Arizona, and all these kids are driving,
3:01:18
Speaker 4: you know, the nicest cars and live in the nicest houses.
3:01:21
Speaker 4: And you see them like ten fifteen years later, and
3:01:23
Speaker 4: none of these kids have drive because they've been given
3:01:25
Speaker 4: everything their entire lives. So it's just like I sit
3:01:28
Speaker 4: back as a father of two young kids, and I'm like,
3:01:30
Speaker 4: how do I make sure that.
3:01:31
Speaker 1: Does not happen to fear? My kids?
3:01:34
Speaker 2: Have it?
3:01:35
Speaker 1: Gravy?
3:01:35
Speaker 11: You have?
3:01:36
Speaker 4: You have, You've established something incredible, like you've trail blazed
3:01:39
Speaker 4: an area that you know, for a lot of times
3:01:41
Speaker 4: only like a niche group knew about, and you're making
3:01:43
Speaker 4: it a mainstream thing. And so yeah, you you you
3:01:46
Speaker 4: might run into that. It sounds actually you're not going
3:01:48
Speaker 4: to run into that. I heard the way you talk
3:01:50
Speaker 4: about your kids, like your kids are gonna be just fine.
3:01:52
Speaker 4: It's from a tough.
3:01:55
Speaker 2: There's always a fear about the definition of storytelling. Like
3:01:57
Speaker 2: somebody wants something, there's going to be obstacles. Some might
3:02:00
Speaker 2: have many more obstacles. But if they're able to if
3:02:03
Speaker 2: they have moments to where we're wanting to show our
3:02:05
Speaker 2: kids something and maybe they're in college and we feel
3:02:08
Speaker 2: like they just haven't gotten it and we've done everything
3:02:10
Speaker 2: that we can, if they're going to overcome whatever that
3:02:13
Speaker 2: final obstacle is, they would have to look at themselves
3:02:15
Speaker 2: so closely to where you almost do appreciate You're like,
3:02:19
Speaker 2: you know what Dad is right. I'm never going to
3:02:21
Speaker 2: tell them, But if I want to get this thing,
3:02:23
Speaker 2: I have to come over this obstacle that ultimately I'm
3:02:26
Speaker 2: just standing in front of my own way. So no
3:02:28
Speaker 2: matter how it comes out, whether it's early in life
3:02:30
Speaker 2: or later in life, I do think it comes out
3:02:33
Speaker 2: at some point no matter what. And sometimes it's you know,
3:02:36
Speaker 2: when mom and dad might pass and then you're reflecting
3:02:38
Speaker 2: you're in a different state of mind. Sometimes it's when
3:02:41
Speaker 2: parents are a life. Sometimes you're getting out of college
3:02:43
Speaker 2: and everything structurally has happened the right way to where
3:02:45
Speaker 2: they kind of have that driving passion. But no matter what,
3:02:48
Speaker 2: I think it'll trickle out at some point along the road.
3:02:51
Speaker 4: And it's like also like seeing the adversities they're going through,
3:02:54
Speaker 4: knowing in your head like this is not a big
3:02:56
Speaker 4: deal and you know that, but it's like, what do
3:02:58
Speaker 4: I essentially that back and say you work through this,
3:03:02
Speaker 4: you have the tools to do it.
3:03:03
Speaker 2: And then at what point do I.
3:03:05
Speaker 4: Go, Okay, I need to intervene here because I want
3:03:08
Speaker 4: to make sure that I can see the path they're going,
3:03:11
Speaker 4: and if they go that way, it's just they're either
3:03:12
Speaker 4: going to get in trouble or you know, not handle
3:03:14
Speaker 4: it the correct way. So it's such a it's a
3:03:17
Speaker 4: finesse game with kids, ma'am. And I don't necessarily love
3:03:20
Speaker 4: the word finesse, but it really is like.
3:03:24
Speaker 1: Finassy. You don't know what sounds melodramatic, but like I
3:03:28
Speaker 1: think about it, I guess because I think about it,
3:03:30
Speaker 1: I'll just share it. Even though it sounds melodramatic and
3:03:33
Speaker 1: kind of simplistic, Like I always picture, let's say your
3:03:37
Speaker 1: kid is like your kid gets older and they and
3:03:40
Speaker 1: there's like a fucking car crash right and there's like
3:03:43
Speaker 1: a car rolls over and it's on fire, and there's
3:03:46
Speaker 1: like a person that needs to be pulled for you
3:03:48
Speaker 1: of the car right with the car could blow up,
3:03:52
Speaker 1: you know.
3:03:52
Speaker 6: What I mean?
3:03:52
Speaker 1: Yeah, you always be like, will my kid be the
3:03:56
Speaker 1: what would my kid be the one that runs over
3:03:58
Speaker 1: and drags them clear?
3:04:00
Speaker 2: Yeah?
3:04:00
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? And like it sounds
3:04:02
Speaker 1: so like it sounds so melodramatic and like fantastical, but
3:04:06
Speaker 1: I'm always like when I think about little things and
3:04:08
Speaker 1: bringing them up, it's like I want, how do you
3:04:11
Speaker 1: kind of from the ground up make the one to
3:04:15
Speaker 1: be like fuck, I don't want to do it, but
3:04:17
Speaker 1: I'll do it right, I'll go drag them clear?
3:04:20
Speaker 2: There have a selfless act of like.
3:04:25
Speaker 1: And it's like a lot of things. It's like how
3:04:26
Speaker 1: do you, how do you do you? How do you
3:04:28
Speaker 1: view other humans?
3:04:29
Speaker 2: Like?
3:04:30
Speaker 6: What do you?
3:04:30
Speaker 1: What are your obligations to people? What's your obligation to
3:04:33
Speaker 1: your family?
3:04:33
Speaker 2: Like?
3:04:34
Speaker 1: Are you act first? Are do you have it in
3:04:37
Speaker 1: you to act?
3:04:38
Speaker 4: Do you?
3:04:38
Speaker 1: I mean like, are you willing to like do ship
3:04:41
Speaker 1: you don't want to do? Or you know, are you
3:04:43
Speaker 1: willing to like court a little danger and have a
3:04:46
Speaker 1: little risk? Right? And so I'm always I kind of
3:04:48
Speaker 1: look at like would this make it more likely that
3:04:51
Speaker 1: they would go and drag someone clear for burning? I
3:04:54
Speaker 1: love that most extreme version.
3:04:57
Speaker 2: I know, we gotta wrap up something, but I'm a
3:05:00
Speaker 2: it's brought to us by bud light. People. People will
3:05:04
Speaker 2: do Are you talking about this one? Well, I'll on
3:05:06
Speaker 2: we gotta like ten minutes. Yeah, people will do anything
3:05:10
Speaker 2: for a bud light. That's something that you would do
3:05:13
Speaker 2: anything for. It. Is there some big game out there
3:05:16
Speaker 2: that you haven't yet conquered? What is something that you
3:05:19
Speaker 2: would do anything for?
3:05:24
Speaker 1: Man, there's a well, yeah, I'll tell you there's a
3:05:37
Speaker 1: there's a documentary thing I want. There's a documentary I
3:05:40
Speaker 1: want to make. I don't want. I'm not gonna tell
3:05:42
Speaker 1: you what it is. There's a documentary I want to
3:05:44
Speaker 1: that I want to make, and it doesn't it makes
3:05:45
Speaker 1: no sense. And but if I don't, there's a subject
3:05:51
Speaker 1: I want to take on in a documentary. And if
3:05:53
Speaker 1: I don't get to taken on in my life in
3:05:55
Speaker 1: a documentary form, my wife will have been a failure.
3:06:00
Speaker 2: Holy Ship, you can't give concept everything. You can't.
3:06:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know he's got to keep I'll tell
3:06:10
Speaker 1: you about it. And you're gonna try to act like
3:06:12
Speaker 1: you think it's interesting because you're polite, But dude, it's
3:06:19
Speaker 1: like I would Yeah, yeah, I was gonna say, like
3:06:22
Speaker 1: a cheap shot. I was gonna be like, I'll do
3:06:23
Speaker 1: anything for my wife. But no, Like, there's like, there's
3:06:28
Speaker 1: a thing I want to there's a thing I want
3:06:30
Speaker 1: to make. It doesn't make a terrible lot of sense,
3:06:32
Speaker 1: and like, I don't even at this point, I don't
3:06:33
Speaker 1: even give a ship if anybody watches it or not.
3:06:36
Speaker 1: But it's so fascinating. I have to find a way
3:06:38
Speaker 1: to do it. I love that there's not a Day
3:06:40
Speaker 1: goes By. I'm not giving you da goes By. I
3:06:43
Speaker 1: don't think about how I want to make a film
3:06:44
Speaker 1: about it. I love it.
3:06:46
Speaker 2: People have great lengths to get a bud light. I
3:06:48
Speaker 2: love that you're going you'll go to any measure across
3:06:51
Speaker 2: the world to make sure that this.
3:06:54
Speaker 1: Whatever it is, will Yeah, I'll be like and just
3:06:57
Speaker 1: bring me. I'm sure they make one. They need to
3:06:59
Speaker 1: bring me n a Yeah, yeah.
3:07:02
Speaker 2: Got a couple. Yeah, I actually want to start up
3:07:05
Speaker 2: your company.
3:07:06
Speaker 1: Yeah.
3:07:07
Speaker 2: My old man, he's a he's a drinker.
3:07:09
Speaker 1: But na yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll kick back of
3:07:14
Speaker 1: the old man. But you know what, I'm going to
3:07:15
Speaker 1: turn him on Too's gonna turn him on to taking
3:07:17
Speaker 1: that the butt an a and mixing in a little
3:07:21
Speaker 1: zing zang bloody marry mix.
3:07:23
Speaker 2: Okay, little cocktail. You know what it is.
3:07:28
Speaker 1: It's like because when you quit drinking, it's hard to
3:07:32
Speaker 1: like at night, if you're hanging out and other people
3:07:36
Speaker 1: are drinking, it's like you can't just drink water because
3:07:40
Speaker 1: it doesn't like. But you take that really spicy bloody
3:07:43
Speaker 1: this is a chip. This is a tip for people
3:07:44
Speaker 1: who quit drinking. Take an n a beer and then
3:07:48
Speaker 1: you put really spicy, bloody marry mix in the n
3:07:50
Speaker 1: a beer and you drink it and it's got like
3:07:52
Speaker 1: a little burn to it, scratches the edge something, scratch
3:07:56
Speaker 1: the itch.
3:07:57
Speaker 2: It helps you get everybody.
3:07:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I wasn't like that kind of drinker. I
3:08:01
Speaker 1: wasn't like a you know, I wasn't like an AA guy.
3:08:03
Speaker 1: I was just I just drank too much and wanted
3:08:05
Speaker 1: to quit and gradually quit. But uh, yeah, that little
3:08:11
Speaker 1: you need, that little burn I find, and that little
3:08:13
Speaker 1: burn kind of your your body is like, ah, there
3:08:16
Speaker 1: it is all right. It's just tomato with Jesus black pepper.
3:08:20
Speaker 2: Yah, I love it.
3:08:21
Speaker 4: I did want to ask before you go being a conservationalist,
3:08:25
Speaker 4: being like someone who's in the outdoors all the time.
3:08:27
Speaker 4: There's been like a lot of stuff like obviously I
3:08:29
Speaker 4: don't we're not a political podcast. I really want your
3:08:33
Speaker 4: thought process on this. I'm not trying to make this anyway.
3:08:35
Speaker 4: And we kind of touched on it yesterday. But there's
3:08:38
Speaker 4: obviously all this this tariff stuff going on with Canada
3:08:41
Speaker 4: and all the wood and everything, and so Trump's now
3:08:44
Speaker 4: put done this executive order saying and I don't know
3:08:46
Speaker 4: the full detail. So there's so many different news articles
3:08:49
Speaker 4: that say he's it's a terrible thing. It's a great thing.
3:08:51
Speaker 4: But he's like signed this executive order that says that
3:08:54
Speaker 4: we have all this wood, like three hundred million hectors
3:08:57
Speaker 4: of land.
3:08:59
Speaker 1: That you can he didn't, you did it? Hitting the
3:09:01
Speaker 1: National Forest hard, right and hard to.
3:09:04
Speaker 4: Essentially be like we don't need Canada because we have
3:09:06
Speaker 4: the resources. But the resources is like thirty three percent
3:09:09
Speaker 4: of our wooded resources. Some people have broken down to me,
3:09:13
Speaker 4: like you need like ten years for treat to mature,
3:09:15
Speaker 4: and the longer they mature, the better the wood is,
3:09:17
Speaker 4: makes better the homes, makes better quality. So you being
3:09:20
Speaker 4: in your world that you are, I just want to know,
3:09:24
Speaker 4: is this like a detrimental thing to America? Is it actually, Hey,
3:09:27
Speaker 4: there's a lot of things we can really clean up
3:09:28
Speaker 4: in America from a wooded area standpoint, Because it's like
3:09:31
Speaker 4: I'm just trying to understand that this little game of
3:09:34
Speaker 4: chess that's going on between our northern neighbors and US.
3:09:38
Speaker 1: I'll give you a couple I'll give you like a
3:09:40
Speaker 1: little high level, my kind of high level thought process
3:09:44
Speaker 1: on it, and it's it's it's quite it's much more
3:09:49
Speaker 1: complicated than good bad. Yes, no, we need just like
3:09:57
Speaker 1: first off, I'm gonna clarify, I'm coming at the street
3:10:00
Speaker 1: from like wildlife habitat and like an environmental wildlife habitat perspective.
3:10:05
Speaker 1: I'm not I don't have the home builders wood market right,
3:10:10
Speaker 1: see at the table, right, I'm like the wildlife habitat guy.
3:10:14
Speaker 1: There is a lot of stuff that needs to be cut,
3:10:19
Speaker 1: and we need to have active timber management. And when
3:10:22
Speaker 1: a lot of places we've neglected timber management and it's
3:10:25
Speaker 1: detrimental to habitat. A healthy forest, Like if you go
3:10:30
Speaker 1: across most of the country, a healthy forest is a
3:10:33
Speaker 1: mosaic of stuff that was just recently burned or recently cut,
3:10:41
Speaker 1: whether from lightning strike, fires or whatever. So it's like
3:10:44
Speaker 1: new growth, medium growth, old growth. Right. You need it
3:10:50
Speaker 1: all because you want to create habitats to have all
3:10:54
Speaker 1: these different offerings, and you want to create habitats with
3:10:57
Speaker 1: a lot of edges, right, meaning like open areas that
3:11:01
Speaker 1: a butt brushy, areas that abut mature stands, because that
3:11:05
Speaker 1: way there's a lot more going on. I'm trying speaking
3:11:08
Speaker 1: very general terms. There's a lot more going on ecologically,
3:11:12
Speaker 1: greater diversity of plants, greater diversity of like of stages
3:11:17
Speaker 1: of growth. So you have things that are big old
3:11:20
Speaker 1: trees that are producing masts that like producing acorns, beech nuts,
3:11:24
Speaker 1: whatever from old trees, young trees that have new growth
3:11:27
Speaker 1: on them, and that's good for food. You have little
3:11:29
Speaker 1: thickets for stuff that likes thickets. Right, So you want
3:11:33
Speaker 1: a mixed ecosystem if we leave everything alone and don't
3:11:37
Speaker 1: do active land management because the natural processes aren't there anymore,
3:11:43
Speaker 1: like we just don't have We can't just let fires rip,
3:11:45
Speaker 1: you know, because it destroys property and things and other issues.
3:11:49
Speaker 1: You got to kind of do a man made version
3:11:51
Speaker 1: of how to create these mixed ecosystems. So there's a
3:11:55
Speaker 1: place for logging. Done right, it can be very advantageous
3:12:00
Speaker 1: for wildlife in the right areas. What I don't like.
3:12:05
Speaker 2: Is UH.
3:12:09
Speaker 1: I can't support and I can't get behind building new infrastructure,
3:12:16
Speaker 1: building new roads into our into our wilderness areas. And
3:12:21
Speaker 1: I don't mean designated wilderness areas, but areas that are
3:12:24
Speaker 1: like UH that are industrialized, like land natural landscapes that
3:12:30
Speaker 1: don't have infrastructure in place, that don't have roads built
3:12:33
Speaker 1: into them. I cannot support a plan to go into
3:12:37
Speaker 1: those areas and build new roads in order to harvest
3:12:40
Speaker 1: old growth timber. Why is why is that like we're
3:12:45
Speaker 1: just gonna we're we're gonna run out of it. Yeah,
3:12:48
Speaker 1: We're gonna run out of it. There's like a deal.
3:12:51
Speaker 1: There's always a deal with the devil that you make
3:12:54
Speaker 1: on this stuff. You mentioned wife being from British Columbia.
3:13:01
Speaker 1: Canada has you know, Canada has a reputation, like a
3:13:05
Speaker 1: little bit of some people hold Canada's a reputation of
3:13:08
Speaker 1: having this stellar environmental record in some ways, like the US,
3:13:13
Speaker 1: we've been able to hang on to our old growth
3:13:16
Speaker 1: coastal rainforests, which you know, there's not that much left
3:13:21
Speaker 1: old growth coastal rainforest, and we've kind of looked and
3:13:25
Speaker 1: guys in my world will look and be like, man,
3:13:27
Speaker 1: I can't believe be WAYBC British Columbia has just maintained
3:13:36
Speaker 1: openness to just keep whacking away at it. And it
3:13:40
Speaker 1: was kind of like, man, they're gonna cut it till
3:13:41
Speaker 1: it's gone, right, And meanwhile, we got a lot of
3:13:46
Speaker 1: coastal old growth rainforests. Like I mentioned, I have a
3:13:49
Speaker 1: fish shack. Like I have a fish shack, and like
3:13:50
Speaker 1: ground zero of this shit Tongus National Forest surrounded by
3:13:54
Speaker 1: Tongus National Forest. It's a perennial like, you know, like
3:13:59
Speaker 1: political ping back and forth as whether or not to
3:14:02
Speaker 1: build a bunch of new roads in tongest National Forests
3:14:05
Speaker 1: to get after the old growth coastal. I mean, we're
3:14:09
Speaker 1: talking six seven hundred year old trees, right and you
3:14:14
Speaker 1: look in that southeast lasting stuff. You look in BC,
3:14:17
Speaker 1: and they've been hammering it, and they might hammer it
3:14:20
Speaker 1: to the bitter end. I just like I think that
3:14:25
Speaker 1: that if you go in the into the future, I'm
3:14:29
Speaker 1: very conservative about this when I can. When I say conservative,
3:14:32
Speaker 1: what I mean is this, when we go into the
3:14:34
Speaker 1: future and more of the world has developed, and more
3:14:37
Speaker 1: of the world is industrialized, and there's less biodiversity and
3:14:41
Speaker 1: less wildlife, I think we're going to look at these
3:14:44
Speaker 1: last bastions of old growth timber and we're going to
3:14:47
Speaker 1: be like, thank god we protected that stuff. You go. Look,
3:14:54
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of talk lately, like somebody, even
3:14:56
Speaker 1: some politician in Florida, I think, introduce some bill to
3:14:59
Speaker 1: put it uh to put President Trump on Mount Rushmore.
3:15:07
Speaker 1: They say that that rock face isn't even suitable to
3:15:10
Speaker 1: accommodate a new face up there anyways. But let's just say,
3:15:14
Speaker 1: let's talk about who one of the guys that is there, Okay,
3:15:17
Speaker 1: one of the guys that is there is Theodore Roosevelt.
3:15:20
Speaker 1: Theodore Roosevelt. He's a Republican. And Theodore Roosevelt created the
3:15:25
Speaker 1: National Forest System, Okay. And what he did was he
3:15:29
Speaker 1: knew that American wildlife was on the way out, like
3:15:32
Speaker 1: like we relative to the late eighteen hundreds, early nineteen hundreds,
3:15:35
Speaker 1: we live in the good old days of American wildlife.
3:15:39
Speaker 1: The shit was bad. Then Roosevelt came in and he
3:15:44
Speaker 1: knew that like for American wildlife to thrive, we need
3:15:47
Speaker 1: a National Forest System, we need like big tracks of forest.
3:15:51
Speaker 1: And he did that, and people didn't want him to
3:15:55
Speaker 1: do it, and they were pissed at him at the time.
3:15:57
Speaker 1: Now he's like universally celebrated every politician and wants to
3:16:00
Speaker 1: be favorably compared to Roosevelt. Okay, I'm very cautious about
3:16:06
Speaker 1: any effort that would undo or subvert those efforts to
3:16:13
Speaker 1: create these big tracks of nature, these big tracks of
3:16:18
Speaker 1: wildlife habitat. And I'm just always gonna be like I'm
3:16:23
Speaker 1: always gonna be on the side of preserving our landscapes,
3:16:29
Speaker 1: and I use the term investing in these wilderness landscapes
3:16:34
Speaker 1: where American wildlife can continue to thrive. And I'm gonna
3:16:37
Speaker 1: be like very I'm just gonna be on the defensive.
3:16:42
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be on the defense. I'm gonna defend wildlife habitat.
3:16:45
Speaker 4: Guilty before proven innocent. With you, when it comes to
3:16:47
Speaker 4: the wildlife habitat, it sounds like it's a double like
3:16:49
Speaker 4: it's a double ed short because on one hand, what
3:16:51
Speaker 4: you're saying is because we can't let fires roam free,
3:16:54
Speaker 4: we need we need the levels of growth. So cutting
3:16:57
Speaker 4: down what like is not necessarily bad. No, And if
3:17:00
Speaker 4: they sit in a layer, that's when it becomes detrimental
3:17:03
Speaker 4: to the wildlife, environment, human beings, the world we now
3:17:09
Speaker 4: see as it is today.
3:17:11
Speaker 1: If the right so with that executive order, with the
3:17:15
Speaker 1: right person in place to interpret it, I would be
3:17:20
Speaker 1: there's a there's a version in which I'd be like,
3:17:22
Speaker 1: thank God, yeah, because there's a lot of there's a
3:17:25
Speaker 1: lot of work we need to be doing for like wildfirework,
3:17:29
Speaker 1: wildfire reduction, habitat improvement, thinning. I'd be like great if
3:17:33
Speaker 1: with the right person on the ground implementing it, I
3:17:36
Speaker 1: could get excited about it. With the wrong person on
3:17:38
Speaker 1: the ground implementing it, I could get fearful of it.
3:17:41
Speaker 1: And right now it's it's a little early to tell,
3:17:45
Speaker 1: but yeah, with the right people executing it, I could
3:17:47
Speaker 1: think that it would be like net positive, or it
3:17:49
Speaker 1: could be people doing it and I wind up being
3:17:52
Speaker 1: like upset about it.
3:17:53
Speaker 4: Now, a hypothetical question for you. Let's say you're sitting
3:17:56
Speaker 4: in your office later this afternoon and there's a call.
3:17:58
Speaker 4: Some of your secretary walks in. She goes, Steve, the
3:18:01
Speaker 4: President is on the phone. You answer that phone. It's Trump,
3:18:05
Speaker 4: he said, tells you how great you are, how amazing
3:18:07
Speaker 4: you're everything's going so great in your life. But he
3:18:09
Speaker 4: wants you to be the guy to interpret the executive order.
3:18:12
Speaker 2: What do you say to that question?
3:18:14
Speaker 1: I would say, uh, yes, and then I would promptly call.
3:18:20
Speaker 1: I would promptly call a couple of friends of mine
3:18:23
Speaker 1: and I would say, uh, you guys need to do
3:18:26
Speaker 1: this because you understand it better me, and I need
3:18:28
Speaker 1: to act like I'm in charge.
3:18:31
Speaker 2: Smart man, smart man. I love it was it. Delegate
3:18:35
Speaker 2: to elevate. Yeah, exactly right. Yeah, that's good.
3:18:39
Speaker 4: I do appreciate you bringing that down a little bit
3:18:41
Speaker 4: because it is so interesting, like this whole like the
3:18:45
Speaker 4: political landscape we live in now, because a lot of
3:18:47
Speaker 4: things he's doing, people are like, well, this is what
3:18:49
Speaker 4: you this is what everybody wanted. But there's so much
3:18:51
Speaker 4: going on that's hard for me to follow the bouncing ball,
3:18:53
Speaker 4: and I do my best to kind of like kind
3:18:55
Speaker 4: of fall off because it is so interesting to me.
3:18:57
Speaker 4: But when I saw that, you know, my brain goes
3:19:00
Speaker 4: to it's probably not as bad as it is because
3:19:02
Speaker 4: I'm not a pessimist. I'm very positive about like the
3:19:06
Speaker 4: best case scenario is usually gonna work out. My wife
3:19:07
Speaker 4: on the other end, being from British Columbia, not knowing
3:19:10
Speaker 4: the nugget that they're actually killing the forest, that they'll
3:19:11
Speaker 4: have to bring that up a dot our next family meeting.
3:19:14
Speaker 4: But uh, she she is huge into wilderness, her whole family,
3:19:18
Speaker 4: like her her mom is like, notice like the fishing
3:19:20
Speaker 4: queen in her town because she's like she can just
3:19:22
Speaker 4: rip any lip around there. So like she was very
3:19:25
Speaker 4: she's obviously worried and concerned, and I was like, well,
3:19:27
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be with meeter her next week. Like, what
3:19:29
Speaker 4: a perfect individual to talk to it about, because it
3:19:32
Speaker 4: is very interesting and just just trying to understand all
3:19:34
Speaker 4: the nuances of kind of like you were saying, like,
3:19:37
Speaker 4: how do you interpret these executive orders as opposed to
3:19:39
Speaker 4: just reading my face value and just assuming it's a
3:19:42
Speaker 4: blank canvas.
3:19:43
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you here's the main rep. Do you got
3:19:45
Speaker 1: a second? Here's kind of the main.
3:19:50
Speaker 2: I don't know exactly when the flight is, but I
3:19:52
Speaker 2: know we're getting well on this.
3:19:53
Speaker 1: This would be very quick.
3:19:54
Speaker 6: This would be very quick.
3:19:57
Speaker 1: My my problem with the administration so far when it
3:20:02
Speaker 1: comes to the natural resources issues and public lands issues
3:20:05
Speaker 1: is I would like, I like I understand some of
3:20:10
Speaker 1: the things that need that they need to do. I
3:20:12
Speaker 1: think that they're taking a pretty ham handed approach and
3:20:16
Speaker 1: a lot of the doge stuff has been coming. A
3:20:20
Speaker 1: lot of the Doge stuff has been decisions being made
3:20:22
Speaker 1: by people who have no understanding of what they're toying with.
3:20:28
Speaker 1: And I think that a better approach is get your
3:20:30
Speaker 1: cabinet heads in, get your administration people in, and let
3:20:35
Speaker 1: people make decisions at a more expert level. The same
3:20:40
Speaker 1: way you read about Rubio's conflict with Musk or like
3:20:45
Speaker 1: Rubio's like, I'm secretary of State, let me go into
3:20:51
Speaker 1: my portfolio of interests and identify the cuts. That's my world, right,
3:20:59
Speaker 1: I'll do it. And so there's like a little possessiveness
3:21:02
Speaker 1: on some of the stuff with like beer, forest Service issues,
3:21:06
Speaker 1: Bureau of Land Management issues, logging issues, whatever, public lands
3:21:10
Speaker 1: administration layoffs and all that. Get the right agency people
3:21:15
Speaker 1: in place, let them know what they need to do,
3:21:19
Speaker 1: give them a minute to go and have like a
3:21:22
Speaker 1: more fine tuned expert opinion on where we find room
3:21:26
Speaker 1: for cuts, and don't just start cutting shit that you
3:21:28
Speaker 1: don't understand because someone else is gonna go in there
3:21:32
Speaker 1: and be able to do it without without throwing the
3:21:34
Speaker 1: baby out with the bath water. And they've thrown a
3:21:37
Speaker 1: lot of they have thrown a in the area that
3:21:39
Speaker 1: I'm informed on, which is like natural resources issues, They've
3:21:44
Speaker 1: thrown a shitload of babies out. And now you're gonna
3:21:48
Speaker 1: watch people come in, and they're gonna come in, They're
3:21:51
Speaker 1: gonna be like dragging those fucking babies back, picking those
3:21:55
Speaker 1: babies back up and putting them in and it's just
3:21:57
Speaker 1: it creates a mess and they will like the babies
3:22:00
Speaker 1: will get picked back up, and it will kind of
3:22:03
Speaker 1: be like, well, why don't we just like take a
3:22:04
Speaker 1: why don't we just do this in a more thoughtful
3:22:07
Speaker 1: way anyway, because they're already like, oh my god, he
3:22:09
Speaker 1: got they got rid of what? Yeah, and that's causing headache. Yeah.
3:22:14
Speaker 1: So I just think that I'm not the only person
3:22:17
Speaker 1: to bring this up, like there's an intention to go
3:22:19
Speaker 1: and do something, and I think that it was just like, uh,
3:22:24
Speaker 1: I think the intention kind of ran away with itself
3:22:26
Speaker 1: for a minute, and there's gonna be a lot of
3:22:28
Speaker 1: I think now there's gonna be like a lot of
3:22:30
Speaker 1: corrections are gonna need to take place.
3:22:32
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that is I mean, this is a whole
3:22:35
Speaker 2: another hour of a podcast, a.
3:22:37
Speaker 1: Different show or two different show, and I have someone
3:22:39
Speaker 1: different than me talking to ye. Hey we delegate.
3:22:43
Speaker 4: Uh last time was awesome, dude, shooting ducks with you
3:22:46
Speaker 4: This time just as much fun like the trapping portion.
3:22:48
Speaker 4: Obviously we didn't get a coyote, but it's good that
3:22:50
Speaker 4: we didn't get one.
3:22:51
Speaker 2: You can't I can't be like, hey, we're going on
3:22:52
Speaker 2: a meat eat hunt, like it's gonna be right out
3:22:55
Speaker 2: in front of you, like that's that's honey. But we
3:22:57
Speaker 2: we appreciate, like, not just you, but your entire career,
3:22:59
Speaker 2: like the hospitality, the way you guys treat us like
3:23:02
Speaker 2: everything's first class here.
3:23:03
Speaker 1: So thank you so much. I appreciate it. Man. Thanks
3:23:05
Speaker 1: for coming on. I look forward to hanging again.
3:23:06
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're the man, bro.
3:23:08
Speaker 1: Thank you