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Transfer QBs, Auburn portal outlook, CFP predictions | Terry Bowden Show · The Auburn Undercover Podcast

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  Welcome in again everybody to the Terry
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  Bowen Show on the Auburn Undercover
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  podcast. I'm your co-host Ronnie Sanders
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  and we've got a lot to talk about today.
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  Uh before we get started, click like and
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  Keeps us in your feed. Uh coach
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  lot to talk about today.
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  >> Well, there sure is. I mean, obviously
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  football fans have been able to watch
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  the first round of the playoffs, you
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  know, and so that was a exciting
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  exciting football. I'm sad to say. I'm
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  not sad to say. I I I make a I predict a
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  winner in every game
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  >> and I was one out of four. I mean, it
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  it's hard to you talk about things that
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  happen. Uh it's it was hard to pick them
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  and so I've always felt like if I could
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  be two out of five, two out of four, I'd
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  be happy. I mean, because you got to
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  pick with a spread. I have to pick and
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  say, "Okay, I think this team will win
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  by 13 or whatever." And so I go to bed I
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  go to bed halftime of the uh Oregon
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  James Madison game. Say, "Well, I'm two
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  for two." I said that's not, you know, I
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  mean, it cost me probably cost all it
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  cost you is a juice. Everything's a
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  push. I lost two games and I won two.
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  Then I wake up the next morning and
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  James Madison scores 28 points in the
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  fourth quarter. Well, you know what? If
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  people that watch I guess people that
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  wager on games, which and I have not had
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  a background of doing that because of
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  being a coach. I mean, he pulled the
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  players. He pulled he was he was 34
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  points ahead right after halftime. So
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  he's pulling everybody, you know, which
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  you ought to do cuz it's not like it's
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  he's got to he doesn't need beauty
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  points at this point. You want to be
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  ready for the next game.
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  >> Yeah.
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  >> And so as soon as he started pulling,
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  you know how that go? As soon as you
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  start pulling all your players, you lose
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  any continuity. You lose that that
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  togetherness and all of a sudden they
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  start scoring and they got they got a
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  decent team, but they can't play with
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  Oregon. Oregon scored the first five
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  drives. They scored, but all of a sudden
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  they scored and they score. And I said,
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  "Gee, many Chris, when you're talking
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  about a long league in the playoffs,
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  don't don't you better be careful about,
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  you know, the the over is what you're
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  talking about, you know, and and the uh
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  uh the 21 points in the uh and then uh
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  because he's it's more important for the
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  quarterback, I mean, the coach to to
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  rest his players and not get them hurt.
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  >> And heck, he can't worry about that that
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  that that spread, you know."
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  >> No, I mean, and you know, I think he was
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  he was playing 13 guys.
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  >> Oh, no. that that that I think I'm I'm
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  speaking more along the way because they
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  were never in uh in doubt. The game was
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  never in doubt. The point I'm trying to
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  make and this and I'm I'm figuring this
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  out more now that that that wagering is
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  legal and everywhere and it's on phones
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  and everybody's talking about it. You
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  can't watch ESPN Sports Center uh and
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  them predict a game without they cover
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  the they they predict the spread every
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  single game. Everybody has to predict
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  it. So obviously if you think about it,
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  and I'm retired, I guess I can talk
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  about if you're a head coach, the one
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  thing you ought to do is if you're if
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  you're favored by a certain amount of
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  points, do everything you can to score
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  more than that much. Whatever it is, I
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  don't care if you got to keep them in
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  because most of your fans, they bet
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  their heart too much. You know, most
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  your fans that don't gamble, they still
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  want to put their money on their own
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  home team. And so all you can do
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  without, if you're a coach, all you can
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  do without cheating, without breaking
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  rules is if whatever if it's 28, I'm
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  gonna find a way to get 29. You know,
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  I'm And I think Lane Keven went out
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  there and said that in so many words
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  this year, you know, in one of the
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  games. He apologized to his fans for not
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  covering the spread. And I said he
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  probably said what most coaches are
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  afraid to say. We know what the spread
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  is because we know what people think we
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  should win by and what we shouldn't win
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  by. And I thought the Oregon game was a
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  great example of it's hard to know what
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  happens to me. If anybody thinks for a
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  second you can figure it all out. I
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  didn't take I knew that Oregon would
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  kill him. I just I've watched both teams
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  play a lot and Oregon is very talented
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  and they've got a head coaches from the
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  SEC that knows what he's doing and and
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  they've got money galore and they got
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  talent and they can run the football and
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  they can play defense and and and James
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  Madison is the is the class of of the
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  Sunb Belt. But Sund hadn't been real
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  good for two years now. I mean, Sigetti
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  left and John Sallall and Troy left and
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  uh South Alabama's coach went to
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  Alabama's defensive coordinator and
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  Georgia State's coach went to he left to
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  go as a coordinator and and everything
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  kind of got went downhill a little a
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  little bit. Uh but James Madison was the
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  was the class of the Sunb Belt, but
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  that's not the Big 10. And the and the
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  talent level was so different. It was
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  going to be how many points. It was
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  going to be just a question of points.
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  But then you got to figure, okay, at
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  what point do the points get so high
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  that the head coach takes everybody out
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  and all of a sudden those points they
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  start going the other way real quick.
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  >> I would think that that with two lane
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  being in and James Madison and I
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  understand that's the rule this year,
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  but I I've got to think that that those
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  rules have got to change. I
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  >> and I I know there were blowouts last
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  year, but at least it was, you know,
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  most of it was was P4 teams. I'm I'm
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  just not sure that,
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  >> you know, I I watched James Madison in
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  Oregon a little bit and I was kind of in
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  and out after after
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  >> Yeah, we I went to bed at halftime. You
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  know, it's 30 34 to three at one time.
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  They were up by 37 to or 38-3. It was
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  like a 35 point spread for a while. Then
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  they I think James Madison scored 28
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  points in the fourth second half, you
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  know.
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  >> But but you know what?
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  >> Two lane wasn't a whole lot better.
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  Amazing.
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  >> No, no. Both teams, both of these group
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  of five teams, the power four teams, uh,
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  Old Miss and Oregon, they scored right
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  off the bat so easy. It was, it was
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  over. It was over in a matter of minutes
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  with, uh, seven plays, I think, with
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  with Miss, seven plays, 14 points. Every
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  play went for 20 yards. And Oregon
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  started out about the same way. And it
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  got a little bit slow for a little bit,
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  but then it just it was just a matter it
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  was always a matter of how bad they're
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  going to get beat. So, I I agree with
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  you. I think if we want to make it in
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  all inclusive every to give the G5 one
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  shot, you know, that that sounds good to
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  me having coached a lot in G5 as well as
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  power four. Um, but you get two teams
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  stuck in there and they need to make
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  sure that doesn't happen again because
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  that's not what the that's not not 12
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  top 12 teams.
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  >> No doubt. And I you know I I'm not a
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  defender of Notre Dame as as we've
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  covered on here.
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  >> No, I know.
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  >> You know, not Notre Dame probably
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  deserve to be in over both those teams.
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  I mean,
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  >> well, BYU, BYU, Notre Dame, I tell are
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  were better than those teams, you know,
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  and uh Michigan maybe if they had won
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  one more game, you know, and the
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  coaching key out of trouble, you know,
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  they might have gotten a little farther
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  along, but but you're right. I mean,
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  it's and I don't think they anticipated
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  that. I don't think the committee
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  thought in a million years there'd be
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  two group of five squads in there. And
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  it won't I doubt it will happen again
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  even if they didn't change the rules cuz
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  what's the chance of the ACC having a a
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  uh a team that low ranked winning
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  winning eight going eight and five to
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  winning the conference is not kind of
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  >> similar situation at Florida. You know
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  they they changed when when our I think
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  it was 2003 they ended up changing the
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  tiebreaker rule. Um there was kind of a
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  convoluted, you know, there were three
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  of us that ended up tying for the wet
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  for the East when I was at Florida and
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  it was and the SEC came in and changed
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  and said, "Okay, we're going to do the
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  highest ranked team goes."
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  >> Yeah.
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  >> And so, you know, we we were third, I
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  think, by that by that point, but we
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  tied for the East. And you know, Miami
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  would would have should have gone over
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  over Duke. And I you know, and we we've
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  talked about it before, but I mean, the
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  ACC did nothing but hurt itself.
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  Yeah, they they did they hurt themselves
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  and they did they they created a
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  situation uh or they forced the
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  committee to put to put two uh G5 teams
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  in and so and and they both started out
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  the game just like everybody thought
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  they would start out. I mean it was it
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  was not going to be close and it it
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  nothing indicated that it would be
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  close. I think people don't realize when
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  a power four team plays a G5 team during
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  the season to the beginning of the
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  season, quite often it's just a power
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  four team, not the not the the top
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  eight. You're not the very top teams.
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  And also, you don't really take them
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  that serious that early in the year. You
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  know, you kind of you can you can you
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  can play a close game. Just don't take
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  it serious. Now, when you're talking
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  about a G5 team playing a power four in
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  the final 12, you're getting the very
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  best of of G4. I mean a power four,
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  you're playing the very and they have to
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  win that game and so you're getting
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  their very best. And so it just there's
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  >> Yeah. Well, you know, you're not quite
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  old up and I'm I'm almost not, but 1978,
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  you know, there was division one,
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  division two, and division three. There
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  were three levels of football up until I
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  want to say 1978. And that could have
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  been 77 because I want to say that was
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  my senior year of college and I became a
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  G and I became a GA in 79. But there was
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  division one, two, and three. And that
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  year they changed it and dropped so many
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  schools whether it was 75 or something
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  down to division 1A. They created 1A
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  because I went to Florida State as a
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  graduate assistant in 79 and I want to
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  say Florida&M won the national
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  championship at 1A. Rudy Rudy Rudy Huard
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  Rudy Hubard was the head coach there and
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  so that was the first time they had one
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  doubleA and it made sense because those
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  teams could never compete you know and
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  it gave teams a ways of stepping down
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  but now the other the other the other
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  the top level still has 136 teams and I
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  imagine we only had about 120 back then
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  there's been an addition everybody wants
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  to get into the money
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  >> but as as what people don't understand
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  is and I've coached at having coached at
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  Akan and ULM them late in my career when
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  I came back into coaching and having
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  started out at Auburn. There's no
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  comparison between the group of five in
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  the SEC and the in the power forward. No
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  comparison. No comparison on talent, on
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  budget, on stadium size, on facilities,
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  on anything. And now you add NIL to
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  that, there still no comparison. And so,
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  and yet we still call us all one group.
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  Well, we want we want that because
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  that's how we make our money. You know,
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  I was when I was at ULM, we played
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  Alabama, we played uh Oklahoma, we
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  played Tennessee, we played we made
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  money. We played Penn State twice at
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  Akan. We made And when you're when
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  you're at one, I mean, group of four,
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  you want to play a big stadium team
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  because they're going to pay you over a
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  million, you know. Uh and so none of us
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  want to be kicked out of 1A. But the
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  reality is is that there really is about
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  two divisions. There are two divisions
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  of schools. And the question is it we
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  when we get to a 12 team playoffs how
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  important it is to pretend that there's
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  not two different divisions, you know,
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  >> to show you to show you the difference.
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  I I'll go back to our friend Rick
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  Tricket
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  he's coaching at Jacksonville State and
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  had a chance to go to West Virginia with
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  with Rich Rodriguez and
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  >> right
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  >> he said and he's told me more than once.
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  He said
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  >> and I'll leave out the expletives but he
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  said you know I'm not coaching I'm not
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  coaching any player that makes more than
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  I do and that's right.
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  >> You know I think he's really enjoying it
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  at Jacksonville State. He's 77. Um, but
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  uh, you know, he's he's old school now.
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  >> Well, you know that that and that we're
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  talking about another point, but I'm I'm
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  right with him there because I started
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  out moving toward that power force level
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  in my early early career because I had
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  15 years as a head coach before I before
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  I went to 10 years of broadcasting at
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  ABC. And it was always get to the power
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  for get to get to the SEC, get to the
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  top level. And that's where I wanted to
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  go. But after spending 10 years in
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  television, a long time, people don't
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  usually even go back into coaching once
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  they've been out that long. But that's
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  when that's
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  >> well there that talked to me and Dick
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  Vill were there and there were a lot of
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  guys that were that got stuck. I mean
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  there was I mean New Hisel was just
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  getting stuck and they were all how can
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  we go back and we everybody wanted to go
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  back at the same level that they started
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  you know but they've been out for 10
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  years. You you don't do that. And so I
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  finally made I made good money and I
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  said, "You know what? I go I'm gonna go
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  back and retire coaching again." And so
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  I didn't care. I wanted I said I went
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  back to division two. I said, "Let's go
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  start over and have a good time." And
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  because I love that I love being North
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  Alabama there, three years, seven years
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  at Akran. Uh we had our best years ever.
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  And then u and finished up at ULM and uh
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  ulm really the hardest one that I had.
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  But the point was we were never those
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  schools. You're you're in 1A, you're at
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  top level, but you know there's not a
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  top level. and and I'm defender of that
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  level because I'm we needed the money.
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  ULM's the lowest budget in the country
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  when I was at Louisiana Monroe and uh
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  we'd make 1.5 million cuz people if you
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  have a bad record those people want you
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  on their schedule. I promise you you can
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  play the best teams in America if you
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  got a bad schedule. Uh and so I can't
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  when I got to ulm they were 0 and 11. So
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  we had some pretty good teams. Uh but
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  the point point being we need the money
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  you know. So so we don't want them to
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  kick us out of 1A. Well, the answer
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  could be we'll form a 1A and a 1A B,
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  whatever you call it, and still let them
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  count as us as a as a win. You know, the
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  problem is if you go to one AA, they
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  don't they can't count you as a uh uh as
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  a 1A win. And they got to have uh
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  they're allowed to have what one AA win
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  uh every year and counted. Well, so you
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  don't want to be
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  >> Now you're looking at, you know, nine
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  conference games and you're you're
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  usually playing another power four team.
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  So, you know, you've got two that, you
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  know, Auburn has scheduled, I believe,
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  Troy, which is, you know, which is
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  >> right before, and you've got Alabama
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  State and Alabama&M. And Auburn Auburn a
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  few years ago said, "Hey, we're going to
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  play every uh every team in the state,
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  whether it's UNA or Troy or uh you know,
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  you you know, Alabama&M or whoever." And
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  so, they they've been kind of rotating
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  through that for the last few years.
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  Well, and and to make it understandable
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  to other people, if you play a onea,
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  which would be uh a oneA would be
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  Alabama A&M or Alabama State, they can't
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  demand as much money because they can't
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  ever count as a they don't count as a
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  division one team necessarily. Now, if
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  you're a Troy or a South Al, you can
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  demand more money. They give they give
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  you more because they they they don't
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  have to worry about whether they counted
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  as a 1A or not. So, it's it's it's a 1A
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  team. So, um, but you want to be a 1A
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  because you make more money that way.
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  And I guess the point I'm trying to make
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  when it comes to playoffs is that I I
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  wouldn't be shocked at some point that
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  we don't say we really have two
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  divisions here and each team can have
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  you've got 75 or 80 at the power four
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  level and 75 or so at the power five
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  level and they can have their own 12
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  team playoff and do it that way. uh
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  might be a solution where you've got a
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  chance to be the best in the country at
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  with people who are like you. You know,
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  as it's a little different than
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  basketball, I think, you know, everybody
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  everybody wants to be like Hoosiers, you
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  know, everybody saw the movie Hoosiers,
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  just a little school. You put a put
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  Larry Bird in a little school and see if
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  they don't play for the national
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  championship. I believe Illinois State
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  played for the national championship one
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  year. Larry Bird was on their team. You
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  know, it doesn't happen in at Illinois
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  State in football. I promise you, they
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  don't beat
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  >> Yes.
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  Did I say he was on Indiana State? I'm
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  sorry. Uh and I didn't I saw fact I see
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  so many dead gum podcast. He's on every
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  dead gum podcast there is all Larry Bird
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  at Indiana State. But that's what they
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  he had him in the championship, you
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  know. But anyway, that being said, it
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  was a uh uh uh uh playoffs were a pretty
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  good situation. Uh um speaking speaking
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  of of uh of G4 um you know Byron Brown
• 15:18
  South Florida quarterback uh has hit the
• 15:20
  portal uh goal it's huge for you know
• 15:24
  Auburn
• 15:25
  >> yeah and obviously you know nothing can
• 15:27
  get done officially until the portal
• 15:28
  opens but I would guess that
• 15:31
  >> I I would guess he already knows where
• 15:32
  he's going. That's difficult.
• 15:34
  >> Well, I mean, yeah. I mean, that's when
• 15:36
  I when I saw that, I said, "Okay,
• 15:38
  everybody at Auburn has got to sit back
• 15:39
  and just pay attention because whatever
• 15:42
  happens is going to make some people
• 15:44
  happy and some people not, but the head
• 15:46
  coach is going to do what he's got to
• 15:47
  do." The Byron Brown, one of the top
• 15:49
  quarterbacks in the country. He's a dual
• 15:51
  threat. Uh he's an NFL caliber. He has
• 15:53
  great running skills, great passing
• 15:55
  skills. I was looking at some some of
• 15:57
  his stats were were are out there, you
• 15:59
  know, for total yardage passing, total
• 16:01
  rushing yards. um how he's ranked. He's
• 16:04
  got one more year of eligibility, and he
• 16:07
  jumps in the portal with one year left.
• 16:09
  Now, that's his head coach is at Auburn,
• 16:12
  his quarterback coach is at Auburn, and
• 16:14
  his play call is at Auburn. So, I would
• 16:16
  imagine if Auburn wants him,
• 16:19
  they would have to tell him he's going
• 16:20
  to start. He's only got one more year of
• 16:22
  eligibility.
• 16:24
  >> And you got a whole night.
• 16:26
  >> Well, no. Well, you as I say,
• 16:28
  something's got to give here. You can't
• 16:31
  the minute you say yes, we're going to
• 16:32
  bring him in. I now deuce is Duce the
• 16:35
  freshman. He's the young one, isn't he?
• 16:36
  >> He's the young one, so he'll be and he
• 16:39
  red shirted, you know. He he he So he
• 16:41
  he's he'll be a red shirt freshman
• 16:42
  coming in.
• 16:43
  >> So I'm saying he's got enough time to be
• 16:45
  patient if he would. But I'm saying is
• 16:47
  you nobody's going to get Byron Brown
• 16:50
  without almost promising him he's got to
• 16:53
  start a job because he's only got one
• 16:55
  year left. He stayed right where he is.
• 16:57
  He's probably making good money and he's
• 16:59
  going to be have, you know, he's had
• 17:00
  great success there and I'm sure some
• 17:02
  coaches stayed around. Um, but
• 17:07
  >> in in the quarterback room, you know, I
• 17:08
  mean, there's been a ton of quarter
• 17:10
  turnover in the quarterback room. I
• 17:11
  mean, you've got Jackson Arnold who's
• 17:13
  going to hit the portal. You've got
• 17:15
  Ashton Daniels who hit the portal. You
• 17:16
  had three. I mean, your entire
• 17:18
  quarterback room was new last year. Now,
• 17:19
  if assuming you can hold on to Duce
• 17:20
  Knight, you're still going to bring in,
• 17:22
  you know, at least two new guys. How
• 17:24
  many quarterback? you got a new system
• 17:25
  and also it's a whole new notebook now
• 17:27
  and and and and read the article on on
• 17:29
  on Auburn undercover today. I think I
• 17:32
  read it today about the process that uh
• 17:35
  uh Gish talks about having a process. He
• 17:37
  says the most important hires was are a
• 17:40
  very important hire was quarterback,
• 17:43
  play caller, head coach the day we put
• 17:47
  our first day of install. The first time
• 17:49
  we meet, we're all on the same page. We
• 17:52
  don't have to change anything. We all
• 17:53
  know what we're talking about. Well,
• 17:54
  throw your starting quarterback in with
• 17:56
  that. Now there now you now the day you
• 17:58
  come here, you're he knows exactly your
• 18:01
  language. He knows exactly what your
• 18:02
  philosophy is. He knows what the head
• 18:04
  coach is thinking. He knows what the
• 18:06
  coordinator is thinking. Um now the
• 18:08
  question is they've got to evaluate him
• 18:11
  compared to the Auburn's quarterback.
• 18:13
  Not other G5 quarterbacks, but Auburn's
• 18:16
  quarterbacks. Is he better than than
• 18:17
  Ashton Daniels or is he better than Duce
• 18:19
  Knight? you know, um and uh um and and
• 18:23
  if we go after him cuz we're going to
• 18:25
  lose one of those and you you may lose
• 18:27
  both. I don't know. you I mean that's
• 18:28
  the the reality is you got to make a
• 18:30
  decision and and and Auburn people
• 18:33
  better be ready for anything because as
• 18:35
  a head football coach who called plays
• 18:38
  and who came to Auburn under almost the
• 18:40
  exact same situation uh although I came
• 18:42
  from a Sam Sanford kept my Jimbo my
• 18:45
  quarterback coach kept Tommy Bowen who
• 18:47
  was he understood every play that I ran
• 18:49
  because he ran the same stuff he grew up
• 18:52
  running it he didn't run it he was he
• 18:53
  was Pat Dy's offensive coordinator and
• 18:55
  didn't run those plays for Pat but He he
• 18:58
  knew what I would run. So I came in I
• 19:00
  wanted the same people around me, you
• 19:01
  know. I wanted people around me that
• 19:03
  understood my and cricket and I got
• 19:04
  cricket. Those three especially were
• 19:07
  running our stuff. Um
• 19:08
  >> how did you know cricket from West
• 19:10
  Virginia?
• 19:11
  >> Trick. Oh yeah. Oh no. When I Yeah. When
• 19:13
  I played at West Virginia, so my dad
• 19:14
  left to go to Florida State and and
• 19:17
  Tommy and I stayed on West Virginia. Uh
• 19:19
  Frank Signetti, Kurt's dad became the
• 19:21
  head coach. He was he was the offensive
• 19:23
  coordinator. Well, the first person
• 19:24
  Frank hired was Nick Sabin and uh uh
• 19:28
  Rick Trickett. You know, they're both
• 19:30
  about 25 They're both about 25 years
• 19:32
  old. I tell you, Trick may have been a
• 19:34
  little older. He may be a little bit
• 19:36
  older than uh Nick. I don't know. But
• 19:38
  they were they were they were on on the
• 19:39
  next
• 19:40
  >> 72 and I think Trick is 77, I believe.
• 19:43
  Maybe 73 now. But
• 19:44
  >> yeah, right right around there. And uh
• 19:46
  but because I'm 69. So So anyway, that's
• 19:49
  how I got to know them. But the point I
• 19:51
  think we're all got to consider and I
• 19:52
  think everybody's going to be it's going
• 19:54
  to be all over tomorrow. It's going it's
• 19:55
  going to be discussed all over all over
• 19:56
  the website. I promise you is uh what if
• 19:59
  you if you with once he jumps in that
• 20:02
  means every other team that's behind
• 20:05
  Auburn's back talking to your
• 20:07
  quarterbacks
• 20:08
  uh which or their agents or their dads
• 20:11
  or their best friend or their high
• 20:13
  school coach who whatever they can do to
• 20:15
  keep from being illegal you know and
• 20:16
  keep from doing it properly. Everybody's
• 20:18
  talked to, I promise you, before they
• 20:20
  jump in, you know, uh, and somebody's
• 20:22
  jumped and somebody's talked to Byron
• 20:24
  Brown probably, you know, in fact, a lot
• 20:26
  of teams have because I mean, he is a
• 20:28
  really really good quarterback, you
• 20:30
  know. I think I think it would be I
• 20:32
  think it would be um smart if you're a
• 20:35
  close a good Auburn football fan, just
• 20:37
  jump on the the uh YouTube and watch his
• 20:40
  highlights and so what see if you like
• 20:42
  what you see. He's 6'3, 230 lbs. And uh
• 20:46
  and I think I think it's pretty legit.
• 20:48
  It is size-wise. It may not you know
• 20:50
  that sometimes they're 6'2 or whatever,
• 20:52
  but he's tall and he is physical
• 20:54
  looking. Uh and
• 20:56
  >> Cam Newton may not
• 20:57
  >> Well, you know what? Until I came to the
• 20:59
  until I came to the uh Georgia game and
• 21:02
  I was on the radio uh uh pregame right
• 21:05
  before Cam and I stood right next to
• 21:07
  Cam, there ain't many like Cam. I'm
• 21:09
  going to tell you right now, there's
• 21:11
  there's not many quarterbacks physically
• 21:14
  as uh impressive as Cam Newton because
• 21:17
  he's he looks like a defensive end. You
• 21:18
  know, that's But but but but that being
• 21:21
  said, Byron Brown has those type of
• 21:23
  physical characteristics and he can
• 21:25
  throw it and he's been he's been dynamic
• 21:27
  for three years. You know, he's he
• 21:29
  played just a little bit as a freshman.
• 21:31
  Then he's he's put some numbers up that
• 21:33
  are just very very impressive. Uh, and
• 21:36
  so I would it would be it would be worth
• 21:38
  your while as an Auburn fan to go out
• 21:41
  there and look at all your highlights
• 21:42
  and figure out because I'll be honest
• 21:44
  with you as a head coach I wouldn't
• 21:46
  begin to tell you what the head coach at
• 21:48
  what what goalish is going to do. I
• 21:50
  wouldn't that's that's their
• 21:51
  prerogative. But I can't imagine they
• 21:53
  wouldn't want to bring their own
• 21:54
  quarterback in and him being as with him
• 21:58
  being as talented as he is now. I think
• 22:01
  every coach that comes into Auburn, just
• 22:03
  like when I came in, you there are
• 22:05
  people on your old staff you'd like to
• 22:06
  bring in and you can't because you got
• 22:09
  you got more money. You got you can hire
• 22:10
  the best in the country because I think
• 22:12
  if you'll read the other article on on
• 22:14
  on on Auburn undercover today that
• 22:16
  talked about the process he the process
• 22:19
  that that Gouish has, it's making sure
• 22:22
  every coach is the best he can possibly
• 22:24
  hire at at his position for our program.
• 22:28
  you know, if he he's got the ability to
• 22:30
  hire him.
• 22:31
  >> Something before before we came on
• 22:33
  about,
• 22:34
  >> you know, uh, you know, putting together
• 22:37
  uh, you know, getting your it really
• 22:38
  reminds me a lot of the staff that you
• 22:40
  put together at all. You had had young
• 22:43
  guys on offense, young guys that because
• 22:44
  you got a uh, but you got an experienced
• 22:46
  guy on defense, but offensively, I mean,
• 22:49
  you got a young coordinator, you got a
• 22:50
  young offensive line coach. I mean,
• 22:52
  those guys are and you got Cody Burns
• 22:54
  who's not very old either, right? But
• 22:56
  he's put together a a pretty impressive
• 22:58
  staff. I mean, you look at you know,
• 23:00
  former coordinators, you know, I mean,
• 23:02
  really uh, you know, really it it it
• 23:05
  doesn't seem like uh, and in a change
• 23:08
  from the past, and I won't call any
• 23:09
  names, it really seems like he he
• 23:11
  doesn't really care who gets the credit.
• 23:12
  You know, if guys get jobs and move and
• 23:14
  move on, then that means they've done a
• 23:16
  good job. Kind of like kind of like
• 23:17
  coach Sabin. I mean, you know, you want
• 23:19
  you want to help guys and you want them.
• 23:22
  >> If you get good people, they're going to
• 23:23
  move now. They're going to get head
• 23:24
  jobs. are going to move. Uh, and I'll
• 23:27
  tell you the problem at Auburn is it's
• 23:29
  and it has changed. I mean, it's grown.
• 23:31
  It's it's hard to leave Auburn. Even
• 23:34
  when your career tells you it's time to
• 23:36
  move move mo if you're going to be
• 23:38
  mobile as a as an assistant, there are
• 23:40
  times when it's time to move if you're
• 23:42
  going to get that coordinator title. But
• 23:44
  I I know from experience it's it's it
• 23:46
  was such a great place to live and the
• 23:48
  Lake Martin right close by. even your
• 23:50
  kids and your family in this in the
• 23:52
  town. you you get you fall in love with
• 23:54
  that town and you and you got to
• 23:56
  understand you're a football coach and
• 23:58
  sometimes the only way to move up from a
• 24:00
  segment to a coordinator position or
• 24:03
  whatever is by being mobile and uh but
• 24:06
  anyway I think that to put to wrap it
• 24:09
  all up or put a bow on it I think
• 24:12
  without a doubt Galish is very happy
• 24:14
  that he could keep his defensive
• 24:15
  coordinator uh and some then some
• 24:18
  coaches around him that that fit in. I
• 24:20
  think once you get once like once I got
• 24:21
  Wayne Hall to stay on and Joe Wit, then
• 24:25
  it was just fitting people in. Kurt
• 24:26
  Crane putting
• 24:28
  >> What was that conversation like with
• 24:29
  with Wayne Hall for some Auburn people
• 24:31
  that I mean you come in and and you know
• 24:34
  obviously thought he was going to be the
• 24:35
  next guy. Um
• 24:36
  >> yeah, that that that was tough. Wayne
• 24:38
  had Wayne had to really It was tough on
• 24:41
  Wayne and it was tough on you know it
• 24:43
  was it was tough on me. Do I bring a guy
• 24:46
  in that's well-loved that that people
• 24:48
  that people here felt was going to be
• 24:50
  the wanted my that people here thought
• 24:52
  should have the job that I had. Uh and
• 24:54
  then two, he he here's a job he worked
• 24:57
  all of his life for, was ready for, was
• 24:59
  building up for, and they passed him
• 25:02
  over. And uh
• 25:03
  >> you really have a choice considering the
• 25:05
  the probation and you know
• 25:07
  >> Well, I I won't Yeah, I don't need to
• 25:09
  get in all that, but the point was he
• 25:11
  had to How about my brother? I can I'm
• 25:13
  going to go Tommy next. So, but he I
• 25:15
  just but I've said Wayne, you know, I
• 25:17
  think we I think you'll like working
• 25:19
  with me. I think Goalish would have the
• 25:21
  same discussion with Durkin because I
• 25:22
  believe Durkin was considered for the
• 25:24
  head job,
• 25:25
  >> but Goalish can look him in the eye and
• 25:27
  say, you know what, let me run the
• 25:28
  offense. You run that defense and you
• 25:30
  and you run it like you want to run it
• 25:31
  and on Thursday I'll sit with you and
• 25:33
  you can tell me what you're going to do
• 25:34
  so I can have a good press conference
• 25:36
  and know what to know what we're doing,
• 25:37
  you know. Um, so I I would think Gouish
• 25:40
  and Durkin would have had the same
• 25:42
  conversations, but I can't tell you. I
• 25:44
  just know Wayne probably had to suck up
• 25:46
  and and say, "You know what? I'm I I
• 25:48
  love being here." Um um nobody Terry
• 25:52
  Bowen I I couldn't control what
• 25:53
  happened, you know, u and how it was
• 25:56
  going down. And so that was it. That so
• 25:58
  so it worked out great, but it was a
• 26:00
  very difficult to to have to go through
• 26:02
  that. Maybe even more difficult or as as
• 26:06
  difficult was my brother Tommy. Tommy
• 26:08
  had been
• 26:09
  >> Tommy had Tommy was well he was hired
• 26:11
  here as as as the offensive coordinator
• 26:13
  for Pat Dy and the the day he got here
• 26:17
  all that Pat that Ramsay stuff came out
• 26:19
  and the and the it was it was ne almost
• 26:22
  negative every day. It was terrible
• 26:23
  situation. Nobody uh it was just
• 26:26
  difficult for everybody to face or it
• 26:28
  was just it was a bad time, you know,
• 26:30
  cuz it ended up Eric Ramsey ended up
• 26:31
  being nothing a nothing is that a
• 26:33
  nothing burger compared to the realities
• 26:35
  of this business. But at that point it
• 26:37
  wasn't. But here's Tommy when I hire him
• 26:41
  now. He's he's worked his way up. He's
• 26:43
  older than I am. He's worked his way up
• 26:45
  and now now he's got to go be an
• 26:47
  assistant to his younger brother.
• 26:48
  >> When he told me when I'm sitting in his
• 26:50
  office one day when I'm I was a I was
• 26:52
  still a student. I remember one day and
• 26:54
  >> he said, you know, I I said, how I said,
• 26:56
  how was that? You were already here. And
• 26:58
  he said, yeah. He said, one day I'm
• 27:00
  sitting here and I think maybe I got a
• 27:01
  chance to be the head coach here. And he
• 27:02
  said, you know, next day I'm working for
• 27:04
  my baby brother.
• 27:06
  Well, thank goodness thank goodness I
• 27:08
  wasn't 10 years younger. I was only two.
• 27:10
  But but we I didn't none of us could
• 27:13
  control either of those situations. But
• 27:16
  you try to do what's best for the
• 27:17
  program. I mean, first of all, I I knew
• 27:19
  the kind of coach my brother was, how
• 27:21
  good he was. uh although we didn't work
• 27:23
  together except as graduate assistants
• 27:25
  um um and I knew the success Auburn had
• 27:28
  with with Wayne Hall on defense. I guess
• 27:31
  to to bring this all together, when you
• 27:33
  look at the way uh Gullish hired a staff
• 27:36
  and then you read the article today uh
• 27:39
  uh uh on the Albert website and on your
• 27:41
  website how much the process starts with
• 27:45
  hiring the staff quickly and hiring the
• 27:47
  right people and uh he was talking and
• 27:50
  how important that were and it almost
• 27:52
  was the same he went the same way I did
• 27:54
  on the on the thing, you know, and and
• 27:56
  and and brought in people that he could
• 27:58
  uh uh work the offense with and that cuz
• 28:00
  he he play he he plays around with the
• 28:02
  offense. Although I don't think he says
• 28:03
  he calls the plays. I think he hired his
• 28:05
  co and that there's nothing wrong with
• 28:08
  that. I mean you can you can be an
• 28:09
  offensive coach and not call the plays
• 28:12
  but most of the offensive coaches that
• 28:14
  are really come from being a coordinator
• 28:16
  a long time. uh they're going to call
• 28:19
  plays, you know, and then you then maybe
• 28:21
  you might turn the Spurer the Spurer
• 28:23
  type and the Mike Leech type and the
• 28:25
  guys Riley and the guys that call plays
• 28:27
  forever, you know, that that are good at
• 28:29
  it and make their mark, they don't give
• 28:30
  it up very easily. is speaking of guys
• 28:32
  who call plays about Bobby Patrino about
• 28:35
  to head to North Carolina that ought to
• 28:36
  be uh that ought to be
• 28:38
  >> well you know if you think of all the
• 28:41
  ways all the head coaches that would not
• 28:43
  be intimidated by Bobby Patrino but not
• 28:45
  because that's a he's a guy that I would
• 28:47
  think could intimidate you uh if you're
• 28:49
  a young head coach and you couldn't work
• 28:51
  with him. It's not that he would be mean
• 28:53
  or or or be negative consider.
• 28:56
  >> Yeah. I mean, he he's I can see, hey,
• 28:59
  hey, I can see his first comments being,
• 29:01
  hey, we're going to do it my way. You
• 29:02
  can hire me if you want to, but we're
• 29:03
  going to do this my way. Well, the one
• 29:05
  guy you probably wouldn't say that to
• 29:06
  just quite like that would would be uh
• 29:09
  uh the head coach they've got there,
• 29:11
  Belch. Yeah, you Belch would say, "No,
• 29:13
  no, I've been around doing this longer
• 29:15
  than you have. We're going to do it my
• 29:16
  way." You know,
• 29:19
  >> Yeah. Yeah. I got he got rings on every
• 29:20
  finger. When they shake hands, it breaks
• 29:22
  the other hand because got those
• 29:24
  championship rings on all those fingers.
• 29:25
  But anyway, that would that's that's but
• 29:27
  but I think that would be a if there was
• 29:29
  ever going to be a fit for him, that
• 29:31
  would be a pretty good fit for Patrino
• 29:33
  because I think he's still trying to to
• 29:35
  uh to massage that reputation and and
• 29:38
  get it fixed to get back at a head
• 29:40
  coaching position, you know.
• 29:41
  >> Yeah. And he and he's, you know, he he's
• 29:43
  uh I think he wants one more shot. I
• 29:45
  think if he more in Arkansas, you know,
• 29:47
  he probably would have ended up with
• 29:48
  that job, you know, and and we talked
• 29:50
  about we talked about this what I was
• 29:51
  going to mention while ago. We talked
• 29:53
  about process before we come on before
• 29:55
  we came on the air. Um, like you said,
• 29:57
  you know,
• 29:58
  >> Sabin kind of talked about process.
• 30:01
  That's the that's the new word. U like
• 30:04
  you said, it's really just a plan. I
• 30:05
  mean, you got
• 30:06
  >> you got have a plan. Well, and and Sabin
• 30:10
  Sabin, he was using he used the word
• 30:12
  process process. And of course,
• 30:14
  everybody that ever worked for him uses
• 30:15
  the word process. But back when Tommy
• 30:17
  and I were coach, y'all give me an
• 30:18
  example. My dad had had he was he he was
• 30:21
  doing a notebook. We're talking about
• 30:22
  197879.
• 30:25
  I mean, probably doing it before that,
• 30:26
  but we were players. We we didn't see
• 30:28
  it. The players don't get the process
• 30:29
  book, the notebook, the plan. The
• 30:31
  coaches get a big thick notebook, spiral
• 30:34
  notebook, and we have every day. We have
• 30:36
  what we have the plan for 365 days a
• 30:39
  year. Mhm.
• 30:40
  >> And we go through we when we meet in
• 30:42
  August, we go through every month and we
• 30:45
  know when signing date is. We know when
• 30:47
  this spring break is, we know when
• 30:49
  spring ball starts, we know when spring
• 30:51
  ball ends, we know when every game's
• 30:52
  going to be played, we know uh if we go
• 30:55
  to this bowl or that bowl, you know,
• 30:56
  there's got to be some blanks in there
• 30:58
  for for specific things that happen. But
• 31:00
  you you go over every month of the year,
• 31:04
  and that's your process, and that's the
• 31:05
  process. And then you go over with your
• 31:07
  strength program. this is the process
• 31:09
  for how we're going to take freshmen and
• 31:10
  make them stronger. Then you go over
• 31:12
  your academic plan and that's one whole
• 31:14
  chapter and it goes from everything in
• 31:16
  there, you know, and so and then and
• 31:18
  that notebook
• 31:19
  >> all that. Well, I've still got books
• 31:20
  with all that stuff in there from LSU
• 31:22
  and Florida and you know I'm too young
• 31:24
  to have Auburn, but when I but uh all
• 31:26
  the others I I've still got them in in
• 31:28
  bins out here in my uh I guess.
• 31:30
  >> Well, let me tell let me how tell it was
• 31:33
  when when Tommy and I were gas. We
• 31:35
  worked for my dad and my dad would spend
• 31:38
  uh the week be we called it hideaway and
• 31:40
  you probably went that through with a
• 31:42
  week that the coaches got together
• 31:44
  before the players arrived and we would
• 31:45
  go over the plan the process
• 31:47
  >> we went to the beach
• 31:47
  >> the process at the beach we well well
• 31:49
  well Tommy and my dad and I at the beach
• 31:52
  that was that was even before the week
• 31:54
  that was when we were just with family
• 31:56
  but when we got our coaches together for
• 31:57
  a week in August uh it would be or July
• 32:00
  the last week of July uh we would go
• 32:03
  over every our our plan our our notebook
• 32:05
  book and if you'll read again uh uh
• 32:09
  Golish was talking about that today
• 32:10
  having that plan that notebook and that
• 32:12
  stuff. So we would go over that whole
• 32:14
  thing. But the funny story is so Tommy
• 32:17
  and I go our separate ways, you know,
• 32:18
  coaching. Well, I go to Salem College
• 32:21
  and and I and I work on my notebook and
• 32:23
  it's always got quotes from the head
• 32:25
  coach and I So every year the notebook
• 32:27
  is thicker and you add a little bit of
• 32:29
  your stuff or you to some stuff out. You
• 32:31
  you change some of your philosophy and
• 32:34
  you have quotes that you really like and
• 32:36
  say that you really like and uh and some
• 32:38
  of them are actually your own. Most of
• 32:40
  them that's an old John Wooden Wooden
• 32:42
  story. That's an old Vince Lombardi
• 32:44
  state, but you know, whatever. But
• 32:45
  anyway, so all those years for 15 years
• 32:48
  I had been there. Uh but well, 10 years
• 32:50
  before I came to Auburn. So when I come
• 32:52
  to Auburn, uh and I put the notebook out
• 32:55
  there for every coach to have, Tommy
• 32:56
  sees it, and it's pretty much what he
• 32:58
  has always had too before before I I got
• 33:01
  back there. But now he's got it again.
• 33:03
  But now it's got a lot of my quotes.
• 33:04
  Over the last 10 years, I've been
• 33:06
  putting my own quotes and my own words
• 33:07
  in it. And so that but we used that that
• 33:09
  was our process. That was the notebook.
• 33:11
  That was how we were going to recruit.
• 33:13
  That was how we were going to have a
• 33:14
  strength program, academic program,
• 33:16
  offensively, defensively, all of our
• 33:18
  coaching points. So, so finally after uh
• 33:21
  n in 2019, I become an analyst at
• 33:25
  Clemson and I'm an analyst for for Davos
• 33:27
  Sweeney. And so we so for Hideaway. So
• 33:30
  we had to have our one week meetings
• 33:32
  before the players came in. And so I'm
• 33:35
  sitting in the back and he's passing out
• 33:36
  the notebooks. And but of course by the
• 33:38
  time Davo gets them they're like they're
• 33:40
  like uh I mean that I mean it's like a
• 33:42
  big notebook you know Davo can can he
• 33:46
  can extend he can he can add to it. Uh
• 33:49
  he's not verbose but he has he has a lot
• 33:51
  of philosophy and I love everything
• 33:52
  almost all of them. Anyway we go. So as
• 33:55
  a staff we're all he's got 40 or 50
• 33:57
  people now. You know now when you and I
• 33:59
  were going there was maybe 15 people in
• 34:00
  there but there's about 50 people now.
• 34:03
  But the f we're we're going through the
• 34:04
  notebook at at Clemson's notebook and
• 34:07
  he's got all these famous quotes and and
• 34:10
  I bet I bet five or six of them were
• 34:11
  mine. They were mine that they were to
• 34:14
  they were mine that Tommy took with him
• 34:15
  to Clemson to to lane and then Tommy
• 34:18
  took them to Clemson and then when Tommy
• 34:20
  left and Dabau took over Dabau to put
• 34:23
  them in his notebook and so I'm sitting
• 34:25
  there as a as an analyst like in the
• 34:27
  back row you know and here's Dabau. We
• 34:29
  just won a couple of national
• 34:30
  championships and he's quoting me on a
• 34:32
  couple. He didn't even know he's quoting
• 34:34
  me on a couple of those things, you
• 34:35
  know. And I I laughed to myself and
• 34:37
  said, "That's the process that we all
• 34:39
  have." Uh,
• 34:40
  >> now did you did you get another master's
• 34:43
  degree at Clinton? How many degrees do
• 34:44
  you have now?
• 34:45
  >> I have way too many. I got my only
• 34:48
  master's degree at Clint. Well, you
• 34:49
  know, that's another story now. When
• 34:51
  we'll get to That's a funny story,
• 34:52
  though.
• 34:53
  uh because I had I'm over I'm
• 34:56
  overeducated a little bit uh for
• 34:58
  coaching. But um u but anyway that
• 35:01
  that's the process that we're talking
• 35:02
  about and and uh because remind me to
• 35:04
  get back to that story. That's a cute
• 35:06
  the story about about Clemson. Um um um
• 35:10
  but anyway the but go but Golish has got
• 35:13
  a quarterback coach. He's got a play
• 35:15
  caller. He's got his uh offensive
• 35:17
  coordinator
• 35:19
  uh and and his um and the line coach
• 35:22
  that he wants and they brought his line
• 35:23
  coach with him from South Florida as
• 35:25
  well.
• 35:25
  >> He looks like he might not be I'm not
• 35:27
  sure exactly how old he is, but he looks
• 35:28
  like he might might be 30.
• 35:32
  >> Well, you know the Well, I I was 36. So,
• 35:35
  when I got to when I got to uh Aubrey,
• 35:37
  Jimbo wasn't 30 now. He He was probably
• 35:39
  still in his 20s. Yeah, he was probably
• 35:41
  still in his 20s. The rest of us were
• 35:43
  early 30s. Uh but he was he was that and
• 35:46
  uh uh when he got in. So it's so he's
• 35:48
  got that going. So I think the process
• 35:49
  there um is where he wants it. And I
• 35:52
  think Byron Brown that that does put an
• 35:55
  interesting kink kink in the uh not a
• 35:57
  kink, it puts an interesting uh um event
• 36:00
  that's going to affect the future at
• 36:02
  Auburn, you know, because like
• 36:03
  >> people are upset right now because of
• 36:05
  all these kids hitting the portal and I
• 36:06
  think around 20 21 something like that.
• 36:08
  But I mean that's the nature of college
• 36:10
  football now. I mean at least you don't
• 36:11
  have 50 yet, you know. I mean, you're
• 36:13
  going to end up with probably 50, 60 new
• 36:15
  players at Colorado. I'm not sure what
• 36:16
  Florida State looks like. Um, and I
• 36:19
  look, and for all the players at
• 36:20
  Auburn's losing, you got $30 million
• 36:23
  spend on the roster next year,
• 36:25
  >> right? Everybody lose, you got more
• 36:26
  money. Yeah. Right.
• 36:27
  >> Yeah. Don't don't think Auburn's not,
• 36:28
  you know, for those people listening,
• 36:29
  don't don't think Auburn's not out there
• 36:31
  getting ready to sign a bunch of guys. I
• 36:32
  mean, just because you you let you had a
• 36:34
  great player leave. Uh, and and because
• 36:36
  he enters the portal doesn't mean he
• 36:37
  can't come back. But just because you
• 36:38
  have a great player leave, somebody else
• 36:40
  had a great player leave, too. You may
• 36:41
  go get him. I mean,
• 36:44
  >> well, that that that that's the thing is
• 36:46
  I mean, young man, now the young man has
• 36:49
  to understand that uh uh if he's going
• 36:52
  to take advantage of this of the NIL and
• 36:55
  the policy now, he's got to jump in the
• 36:56
  portal and then he's got to let people
• 36:58
  know he's going to jump because he's not
• 36:59
  they're not in the portal yet. They're
• 37:00
  they've announced they're going to jump
• 37:02
  in, right? That's kind of the way it is.
• 37:03
  They've announced they're going to jump
• 37:04
  in the first day. Well, that lets people
• 37:06
  evaluate them and let they they want
• 37:08
  people to think about them and evaluate
• 37:09
  them. Well, I would imagine uh Coach
• 37:12
  Kohish is probably doing the same thing.
• 37:14
  I don't think necessarily when you come
• 37:15
  into a program, you get say you have
• 37:18
  your first team meeting say you guys
• 37:19
  jump a portal, you're gone. I don't
• 37:21
  know, maybe you did. I just don't think
• 37:22
  you do that right now. I think you
• 37:23
  probably you say you probably sit down
• 37:25
  with them and uh and and say, you know,
• 37:28
  and say, "Do y'all want to stay or you
• 37:30
  want to go go?" Because he's got his
• 37:32
  staff. He's going to evaluate him. He
• 37:33
  may not want he may not want to keep
• 37:35
  them, you know, and
• 37:37
  >> speaking might want to keep them. I
• 37:38
  won't call any names. This is a funny
• 37:39
  story though. We're at Florida
• 37:41
  >> and we had one player uh he was an
• 37:44
  offensive lineman
• 37:46
  >> and he never made the 105. And for those
• 37:48
  who don't know what the 105 is, that's
• 37:50
  who you bring to to practice.
• 37:51
  >> And you had at that point we had 85 on
• 37:53
  scholarship, but you bring you bring 105
• 37:55
  to to preseason practice.
• 37:57
  >> No. And no more one. That's what you're
• 37:58
  allowed to total. Yeah.
• 37:59
  >> That's what you're allowed to carry. And
• 38:01
  so we had one player who never made the
• 38:03
  105 in the whole three years we were
• 38:04
  there. And Wickline calls him in one day
• 38:07
  and he says, "Listen,"
• 38:09
  he said, "who did you have offers?" Cuz
• 38:11
  Spurer had signed him and uh and Wick
• 38:14
  calls him in. He says, "How many, let me
• 38:16
  ask you a question." He says, "I'm not,"
• 38:17
  and this is classic Wig. He says, "Um,
• 38:21
  you know, I'm not going to hold it
• 38:22
  against you." He said, "Look, if you had
• 38:23
  any pride, you would already quit." He
• 38:25
  said, "So, just tell me just tell me
• 38:27
  where just tell me where you got
• 38:29
  offers." And it
• 38:30
  >> makes me feel so good, doesn't it?
• 38:32
  >> Yeah. That was Joe, you He's like, you
• 38:34
  know, the kid said Florida and Watford
• 38:36
  and um you know, I mean that there's a
• 38:39
  reason he didn't make the 105, you know,
• 38:41
  and um you know, you'd like to, you
• 38:44
  know, we would have like for him to have
• 38:45
  left. We' had another scholarship, but
• 38:47
  we couldn't get him to go.
• 38:49
  >> Well, back then, back then, you could
• 38:51
  you could have only 105 in pre-practice.
• 38:53
  Just that's preseason. In August, you're
• 38:56
  allowed to bring in 105 guys from a
• 38:57
  budget standpoint. Uh once school
• 39:00
  starts, all the other guys could come
• 39:01
  back and it can go to
• 39:03
  then it just goes as much locker room
• 39:05
  space as you got. There was no numbers
• 39:07
  most of the time. So, but you you get
• 39:09
  over 120 guys, you you really got more
• 39:11
  than you even have space for, you know,
• 39:13
  and so you so at least with a way to
• 39:15
  give a a booster a favor or two, but
• 39:17
  they to make that 105, that's part of
• 39:19
  it. That that's no, you got to you can't
• 39:21
  be some limp little guy's not real good.
• 39:24
  you know, you got to have a little bit
• 39:25
  of juice to you uh to be in 105 most of
• 39:28
  the time or you got to be promised
• 39:30
  during we can't sign you, but we'll
• 39:32
  bring you in as one of the 105. You know
• 39:33
  how that goes. And so anyway, anyway,
• 39:35
  that's those are those are decisions
• 39:38
  that now being made. Your did your dog
• 39:39
  just get in.
• 39:40
  >> I've got three in
• 39:43
  >> I'm waiting for I'm waiting for mine to
• 39:45
  start barking here. But but let me go
• 39:47
  back before we get back to the uh uh
• 39:48
  let's put a bow on the uh Byron Brown.
• 39:52
  If you if the quarterbacks you've got
• 39:54
  right now, Ashton Daniel and Deuce uh um
• 39:58
  Knight are are better than he is, then
• 40:00
  they're big time because I believe and
• 40:03
  I've studied him and watched him because
• 40:05
  I've had to do that for my podcast. He
• 40:07
  is really good. He is a Now from NFL
• 40:10
  scouts would say he's still a little bit
• 40:12
  he's still a little bit of a risk taker.
• 40:14
  He still makes some mistakes every now
• 40:16
  and then. Uh, but I would think that'd
• 40:18
  be more like Brett Far makes mistakes
• 40:20
  every time. He's a he he's a he's he's
• 40:22
  he's so talented. He's one of the most
• 40:24
  prolific quarterbacks in the NCAA as far
• 40:28
  as he has more touchdowns than any other
• 40:29
  quarterback in the NCA FBS, runs and
• 40:31
  passes. He's rushed for a thousand,
• 40:34
  thrown for several thousand. Uh, and
• 40:35
  he's big and physical. And, uh, you'll
• 40:38
  see him. He he he's something else. Uh,
• 40:41
  and my my thoughts are uh, is that I bet
• 40:44
  you they're really looking hard at
• 40:45
  taking him. You know, that's what that
• 40:46
  would be thought. Now, if they don't,
• 40:48
  they've made the evaluation that what
• 40:49
  they have is better because I promise
• 40:51
  you that quarterback.
• 40:53
  >> Yeah.
• 40:54
  >> Jackson Arnold hitting hitting the
• 40:55
  portal and you've got Ashton Daniels who
• 40:57
  announced a couple of days he's hitting
• 40:58
  the portal. So,
• 40:59
  >> so Ashton's hitting the port and really
• 41:02
  so young that might be the perfect deal.
• 41:04
  And I think that would probably that and
• 41:06
  and and I didn't realize that Ashton
• 41:07
  Daniels had hit the portal. I forgot he
• 41:10
  wasn't on that list that I pulled up
• 41:11
  that. But anyway, you're right. If Ash
• 41:13
  Danles is gone or no, he's in the
• 41:16
  portal. You can decide whether to try to
• 41:18
  negotiate him back. Uh or
• 41:22
  what would I would have to think Byron
• 41:24
  Brown and and Duce Knight would be a
• 41:25
  nice pair. Uh and then a young
• 41:27
  quarterback uh that's younger. That
• 41:28
  would give you young, but uh well, you
• 41:31
  better have
• 41:32
  >> carry three or four on scholarship.
• 41:33
  >> Well, you back then we'd hope we had
• 41:35
  three, but you know, you had two that
• 41:36
  were ready to play and one that wasn't
• 41:37
  quite ready. And uh uh that's like my my
• 41:41
  that was like my last year that my last
• 41:43
  year in coaching. I had two ready and
• 41:44
  one that wasn't I lost my portal guy. I
• 41:46
  lost my starter that was a portal. I
• 41:48
  lost my backup at my my backup to the uh
• 41:52
  end up being my starter at two and0. He
• 41:54
  broke his collar blown. And my third
• 41:55
  wasn't quite as good. You know, as Jimbo
• 41:57
  would always say, he can't play dead in
• 41:59
  the Cowboy movie. That was his that was
• 42:01
  that was Jimbo's favorite saying about a
• 42:03
  player that that wasn't as talented. I
• 42:05
  can't he could can't play dead in the
• 42:06
  cowboy movie. Uh but anyway, Jimboisms
• 42:09
  that probably we we we probably
• 42:10
  shouldn't say on here.
• 42:12
  >> Yeah, I got a bunch of Jimbo stories uh
• 42:15
  from when he played for me at Salem
• 42:16
  College. Uh but anyway, I but Brown but
• 42:19
  that's that was interesting. It caught
• 42:21
  my attention right when it hit today and
• 42:23
  I said Auburn's probably going to have a
• 42:25
  chance to get a super super quarterback
• 42:27
  if it fits in, you know, cuz they it
• 42:29
  would it would be part of that process
• 42:31
  and it would that would mean when you
• 42:32
  walk the very first day you walk on the
• 42:34
  field preseason spring practice, he
• 42:37
  knows exactly what to do. He knows
• 42:39
  exactly how the thing goes, how
• 42:40
  everything goes. Uh and it goes perfect.
• 42:43
  And you got to remember u Kirk signed
• 42:46
  took about 20 guys from James Madison to
• 42:48
  Indiana. Now, there's no way I would
• 42:51
  have thought 20 guys that James Madison
• 42:52
  could have played at Indiana except that
• 42:54
  was a pretty low program when he took
• 42:56
  over talent-wise, you know, but they
• 42:58
  >> maybe some culture guys, you know.
• 43:00
  >> Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah. Oh,
• 43:01
  no. That's what I Yeah, they had to be
• 43:02
  because there's not there's I don't care
• 43:04
  any SEC school, any any Sunb Belt school
• 43:07
  doesn't have 20 guys that can play for a
• 43:09
  10-1 Big 10 team, you know, that beat
• 43:11
  almost everybody like that. Uh but they
• 43:14
  were better than what they had and they
• 43:16
  were process guys because Jim remember
• 43:18
  Kurt Signedi uh early in his career
• 43:20
  spent about four years or five years
• 43:22
  with with with uh Nick Sabin at uh
• 43:25
  Alabama. And so um although he was a
• 43:28
  coach on his own, his dad was a coach,
• 43:29
  he knew what he was doing, he picked up
• 43:31
  a lot of that process, you know, uh that
• 43:34
  uh
• 43:34
  >> personality wise too, I think.
• 43:36
  >> Yeah, he I think Well, you know, I think
• 43:38
  he and Jimbo both kind of kind of
• 43:40
  watched. Although I'll say back, I kind
• 43:42
  of enjoy I I don't know, it's hard to
• 43:44
  say as an Auburn person, as an Auburn
• 43:46
  guy, but he he is uh I would thought he
• 43:48
  would never fit in with that uh ESPN
• 43:51
  game day stuff because they got so many
• 43:53
  so much quacky stuff going on there, you
• 43:55
  know, and he doesn't seem very quacky or
• 43:57
  very, you know, goofy. Uh but he he he
• 44:00
  handles it pretty well, you know, and
• 44:01
  >> he goes on Pat McAfee, who I I don't
• 44:04
  think I'd go on Pat McAfee, but he goes
• 44:05
  on there every week and, you know, they
• 44:06
  they kind of go back and forth. Yeah, he
• 44:08
  Yeah, he's he's he's kind he's kind of
• 44:11
  he's kind of taking it taking it in
• 44:13
  stride and and makes it's he's making it
• 44:16
  uh and he loves doing I would have I
• 44:17
  wouldn't have thought he'd even want to
• 44:19
  do all the things that he's doing, but
• 44:20
  he's doing it and he does a good job
• 44:22
  with most of it. Uh it gives him a
• 44:25
  >> Well, he well it gives that group so
• 44:27
  much if you're a football coach or
• 44:29
  you've been a part of a football
• 44:30
  program, so much of that that stuff is
• 44:33
  hogwash. They don't know what they're
• 44:34
  talking about. And when you get a coach
• 44:36
  that's done it before and he's you
• 44:38
  listen you listen to because he knows
• 44:40
  what he's talking about, you know, and
• 44:42
  he knows uh uh where it comes from and
• 44:44
  what you've got to do to be successful.
• 44:46
  And so anyway, um all right. So we got
• 44:48
  Brown, Byron Brown. It'll be that that
• 44:51
  story will be continued uh cuz he can't
• 44:54
  get he can't be going anywhere until I
• 44:56
  wonder how that's going to happen. These
• 44:58
  people rumors and people be talking and
• 45:01
  uh rumors is that this guy's going here
• 45:03
  and this guy's going there. uh they
• 45:05
  can't even really visit or do all that
• 45:06
  stuff before the 2nd of January, but uh
• 45:10
  they're all declaring and stuff. So
• 45:12
  that's
• 45:12
  >> I talked to to an an agent last night
• 45:15
  who represents a bunch of NIL guys and
• 45:17
  >> yeah,
• 45:18
  >> it's the wild wild west. He's like I'm
• 45:20
  still getting my I'm still getting my
• 45:22
  feet under me and it's been what three
• 45:23
  years now.
• 45:24
  >> Yeah,
• 45:25
  >> it's a but you know talking about you
• 45:27
  know before we go it's and we got a
• 45:29
  little bit of time but playoff um
• 45:31
  >> yes, we want to get to that before we
• 45:33
  finish up here. We had a good first
• 45:34
  round in playoffs.
• 45:37
  >> Yeah, I'm really looking forward to uh
• 45:39
  Well, I mean, you've got a lot of great
• 45:40
  games coming up. I mean, we talked about
• 45:42
  we talked about um Oregon and James
• 45:45
  Madison and two lane Old Miss, but I
• 45:46
  mean I I really thought Oklahoma would
• 45:48
  uh would beat Alabama. Alabama still
• 45:50
  can't run the ball, but they figured out
• 45:51
  a way to win.
• 45:52
  >> You know, let's go let's hit the games
• 45:54
  real quick because I I lost that one. I
• 45:56
  It was a one and a half point spot, I
• 45:58
  believe it was. Was it uh one and a
• 46:00
  half? It was one and a half. Oklahoma
• 46:02
  favored one and a half and I picked
• 46:04
  Oklahoma. Um, and you know what? Then
• 46:07
  they were up 17 to nothing and I think
• 46:09
  they're I still believe they're about a
• 46:11
  one and a half point better team, but
• 46:13
  nobody imploded worse than Oklahoma.
• 46:15
  I've never seen a team implode worse
• 46:17
  than Oklahoma. They're up 17 to nothing.
• 46:20
  John Matier can't miss. He's they're 15
• 46:22
  runs, 15 passes, 188 yards to three, you
• 46:26
  know, halfway through the second
• 46:27
  quarter. Then all of a sudden, Alabama
• 46:29
  makes a play. It scored. They all a
• 46:31
  sudden they No, no, no. All of a sudden
• 46:34
  Oklahoma makes a mistake. They muff a
• 46:36
  punt snap. They muff it. No, no, no.
• 46:38
  That was the second thing, right? No.
• 46:40
  The first one was Alabama got a drive
• 46:42
  going down and they had a fourth and two
• 46:43
  on a 10 yardd line or 12 and they make a
• 46:46
  touchdown. Remember they had a fourth
• 46:47
  and two. They're down 17 to nothing and
• 46:50
  they and fourth and two and I watched
• 46:52
  that play because that was one, you
• 46:53
  know, the old, you know, goal line short
• 46:55
  yard. What the five must to win. you
• 46:56
  have these five months or six months
• 46:58
  they one of those goal line short
• 47:00
  yardage but anyway then Oklahoma scores
• 47:03
  you know at least and I'm thinking okay
• 47:05
  at least tell Oklahoma can is still in
• 47:07
  the game I mean I mean Alabama's still
• 47:09
  in the game they were down 17 to nothing
• 47:11
  if Oklahoma scores the next points it's
• 47:13
  probably over but if Alabama could score
• 47:15
  they can at least go into the dressing
• 47:17
  room with some confidence and so they
• 47:19
  scored but it didn't look like
• 47:20
  necessarily the game was any different
• 47:22
  it was still going to be an Oklahoma
• 47:24
  game Oklahoma was playing so and their
• 47:26
  defense is only well, their defense has
• 47:28
  only given up 13.8 points a game and so
• 47:31
  you know that they're still in good
• 47:32
  shape. Well, what happens the next time
• 47:34
  before the half's over? Um, they get a
• 47:37
  they have a punt and the punter drops
• 47:40
  the ball. It's a low it's a little bit
• 47:41
  low, but it's easy easy to hand and he
• 47:43
  drops it and it gets blocked and they
• 47:46
  score again, you know. Uh, and that's
• 47:48
  the one that that they kick. They get
• 47:50
  three points out of that. They get three
• 47:52
  points out of that one.
• 47:53
  >> And give D'Vour credit, you I mean, the
• 47:54
  the fourth down call at Auburn, I'm not
• 47:56
  sure it was the best call, but it won
• 47:57
  the game, you know, and and um and then
• 47:59
  the fourth down call against Oklahoma. I
• 48:01
  mean, for a team that can't run the
• 48:02
  ball, I mean, they've won 11 games and
• 48:04
  and made it to the second round of play.
• 48:05
  >> Well, but but to go with that, there's a
• 48:07
  kicking game error right there. A a
• 48:10
  kicking game breakdown. You know, you
• 48:12
  know, my five six months to win, no
• 48:14
  breakdowns in the kicking game. There's
• 48:16
  there's a they muffed a punt snap that
• 48:18
  cost them three points after giving up a
• 48:20
  touchdown. And then the next time they
• 48:22
  come back, they throw us what a pick six
• 48:25
  that went 50 yards for a touchdown. And
• 48:27
  that was just a terrible, terrible
• 48:28
  decision. And I don't know if you if you
• 48:31
  saw it, but most people who know
• 48:32
  football, they were throwing a speed out
• 48:34
  to the boundary, you know, a speed out,
• 48:36
  just a three kind of a four-step speed
• 48:38
  out. And and the and if the quarterback
• 48:41
  comes up, you you turn it into a fade.
• 48:43
  And so the the quarterback the
• 48:45
  quarterback fake man coverage. He jumps
• 48:47
  up and too deep real at the last minute.
• 48:49
  a receiver runs a vertical fade and the
• 48:52
  quarterback didn't see it and threw the
• 48:54
  dagum out right to the defender and
• 48:56
  right to him and all and they they
• 48:58
  didn't even blunt it that well. But
• 49:00
  that's a terrible mistake. That wasn't
• 49:02
  just like a a great play by the defense.
• 49:04
  They they were what they were doing they
• 49:06
  were they were disguising zero coverage.
• 49:08
  Here it is 17 to 10 now and and Oklahoma
• 49:11
  feels I mean and Oklahoma feel like they
• 49:13
  might score again and maybe get get back
• 49:14
  into control. And so they they they uh
• 49:17
  line up and they have they have a fade a
• 49:19
  speed out on and um um because
• 49:22
  Oklahoma's doing a lot played a lot of
• 49:24
  zero and so they show zero coverage and
• 49:28
  the uh right before the ball is snapped
• 49:31
  the safety that was kind of over the
• 49:32
  left tackle he runs back out to the deep
• 49:34
  he runs back out all the way back to the
• 49:36
  deep half. Well and so that's right away
• 49:39
  the quarterback should know this isn't
• 49:40
  this is zero coverage. So, but of course
• 49:42
  as the ball now once the ball gets
• 49:44
  snapped that quarterback starts cheating
• 49:46
  up because now he's a hard corner you
• 49:48
  know and that the receiver you know what
• 49:50
  you should be throwing aole shot the old
• 49:53
  too deep hole shot throw the ball in
• 49:55
  between the corner and the and the
• 49:57
  quarterback just made a and you know and
• 49:59
  I guess it was the quarterback's fault
• 50:01
  but I got an old saying you get what you
• 50:03
  demand somewhere along the line that
• 50:04
  quarterback didn't know what he was
• 50:05
  doing he he did not know to to that the
• 50:08
  safety was running backwards something
• 50:10
  that happened before the snap so anyway
• 50:11
  way. That being said, they imploded.
• 50:14
  They have a they they muff a punt snap
• 50:16
  uh and uh and lose three points from
• 50:19
  that. They uh they throw a a dumb pick.
• 50:22
  It it was a dumb pick. It wasn't a great
• 50:24
  play by the defense. It was a dumb pick.
• 50:27
  It wasn't even well disguised. It was
• 50:29
  once if you go look at it, if you go
• 50:30
  look at the highlights of that play, it
• 50:32
  wasn't even well disguised. A good
• 50:34
  disguise. The quarterback nobody moves
• 50:36
  until the ball snapped. And that that
• 50:38
  safety started running backwards about a
• 50:39
  couple seconds before the ball got
• 50:41
  snapped. so the quarterback could see
• 50:42
  it. Uh just and then you knew it was
• 50:44
  zone. Um and then and then you got the
• 50:47
  the uh the Lou Groza uh uh national
• 50:50
  kicker of the year. He misses a 36 yard
• 50:53
  field goal and then he misses a 50. Then
• 50:55
  he missed a 51, which sounds like a long
• 50:57
  one, but he was only eight of eight out
• 50:59
  of 50 plus yards. The number one guy in
• 51:01
  the country, number one kicker in the
• 51:02
  country. He missed two field goals.
• 51:04
  Well, that those points right there are
• 51:06
  and then they they gave up the don't
• 51:08
  give up the deep ball. They gave up a 37
• 51:10
  yard touchdown pass, you know. So,
• 51:12
  here's a team that's just dominating the
• 51:14
  game and they had they had about five
• 51:16
  Cardinal sins. And so, bottom line is
• 51:20
  when they got 17 points ahead,
• 51:23
  Alabama didn't lose their composure.
• 51:25
  Alabama didn't implode. Alabama uh
• 51:28
  handled the adversity. When Alabama
• 51:30
  caught up, Oklahoma did implode. They
• 51:32
  did everything wrong and and and they
• 51:35
  never could get it back. And so
• 51:37
  >> I do remember one game that may have
• 51:38
  been worse than Oklahoma. You remember
• 51:40
  the interception game?
• 51:42
  >> The what's that? Oh, you know the LSU
• 51:45
  Auburn game.
• 51:46
  >> Yeah, that Yeah. We we we we we beat
• 51:49
  them like 31 to 28 or 29 28 or 3129 and
• 51:53
  we score no touchdowns on offense. We
• 51:55
  have a field goal and four defensive
• 51:57
  touchdowns on three interceptions for
• 51:59
  touchdowns and a fumble that went to the
• 52:00
  end zone for a touchdown. Unbelievable.
• 52:02
  But anyway, that was But anyway, that's
• 52:04
  Alabama moves up uh and they got to play
• 52:06
  Indiana and and Indiana's right now a
• 52:09
  six and a half point favorite uh on that
• 52:11
  one. U and that's they still can't run.
• 52:15
  >> No, still can't run. And
• 52:16
  >> and Oklahoma had better stats on almost
• 52:18
  every category. Oklahoma out stat almost
• 52:21
  every stat 25 more plays everything
• 52:23
  except Oklahoma imploded you know and uh
• 52:26
  and and uh they and let's say this
• 52:29
  venables will have to live with that the
• 52:30
  entire off and that will be a miserable
• 52:32
  >> because he went from that he that he
• 52:34
  went from a a great coach to you you
• 52:37
  blew it and and not that he not that not
• 52:40
  that he can't handle that he's not going
• 52:41
  to get fired I'm it's going to be a
• 52:43
  miserable off season for the coaching
• 52:44
  staff at at Oklahoma&M
• 52:47
  too I mean they they go out and have a
• 52:49
  great year. Win win 11 games, lose to
• 52:52
  your arch rival and then lose in the
• 52:54
  first round of the playoffs.
• 52:55
  >> Lose two game.
• 52:56
  >> Yeah. No, no, it'll it'll go there. All
• 52:58
  of a sudden, they're going back look in
• 52:59
  the mirror and said, "Same old A&M. We
• 53:01
  got our hopes up again. We got our hopes
• 53:03
  up again." And then last two games we
• 53:05
  got beat by good people. And uh and and
• 53:08
  you know, basically their their
• 53:09
  quarterback didn't handle this quite as
• 53:10
  well. They their quarterback has to get
• 53:12
  to where he doesn't make as many
• 53:13
  mistakes. When they lost, the
• 53:14
  quarterback made some bad decisions. But
• 53:17
  I but I'll say this for Miami uh because
• 53:20
  it it it was a great def that that Miami
• 53:22
  defense played like they used to play
• 53:24
  back when Jimmy Johnson was there. They
• 53:25
  had those great they played tough tough
• 53:27
  football. U u but that was one of those
• 53:30
  games nobody could score uh in that
• 53:32
  game. Of course ne neither field goal
• 53:34
  could make any field goals. That was the
• 53:36
  one where the win was so bad. I think
• 53:38
  the the Miami kicker missed three field
• 53:40
  goals. Chip shots I think and or or
• 53:42
  missed two and made one you know. Uh but
• 53:45
  regardless, Texas A&M they they lost
• 53:48
  their last two games. Uh and it really
• 53:51
  really
• 53:51
  >> rival it's you know what what was
• 53:53
  looking like a great year and and and
• 53:55
  you you lose the last game. You miss you
• 53:56
  miss your chance to play in the in the
• 53:58
  SEC championship game for the first
• 53:59
  time.
• 54:00
  >> Yeah.
• 54:00
  >> You lose your arch rival. You you lose
• 54:03
  your opportunity at the SEC championship
• 54:04
  game. You make the playoff and then you
• 54:05
  lose at home.
• 54:06
  >> I mean for for a for a program that was
• 54:09
  really I mean you know had a had a
• 54:11
  really great year. Uh now you got a sour
• 54:13
  taste in your mouth for for the whole
• 54:15
  >> and you know you made a good point
• 54:16
  there. Both last year all four home
• 54:19
  teams won and that was a big factor in
• 54:22
  me picking uh Oklahoma by one and a half
• 54:24
  and Texas&M by three and a half. You're
• 54:26
  playing at home. Your defenses are
• 54:29
  really good, you know, and that should
• 54:31
  be enough. You know, we're not talking
• 54:32
  about blowing somebody out. We're
• 54:34
  talking about winning by four points for
• 54:36
  for Texas A&M. And as you watch that
• 54:39
  game, they just they could not uh their
• 54:41
  quarterback uh Marcel Reed towards the
• 54:44
  end, he had two turnovers. He had two
• 54:46
  interceptions and a fumble. And I think
• 54:48
  against Texas, he had to hit turnovers
• 54:50
  at the end as well. And so now he's a
• 54:52
  good he's a talented kid, but he's going
• 54:54
  they're going to have to correct that if
• 54:56
  they're going to move anywhere in the
• 54:56
  postseason. So that that like like
• 54:59
  Oklahoma, that's a miserable offseason
• 55:01
  when you lose your last two games. when
• 55:03
  you lose to Texas and then you lose to
• 55:06
  uh uh Miami in the uh first round of the
• 55:08
  playoffs and at one point you were
• 55:10
  undefeated a few weeks earlier. You
• 55:13
  know,
• 55:14
  >> they're going to conference Texas has
• 55:17
  been in the conference for two years and
• 55:19
  you know you pick back up to Lonear
• 55:20
  rivalry and you've lost I believe they
• 55:21
  lost last year. So you've you first time
• 55:23
  you played in over a decade and you've
• 55:25
  lost twice to your to your rival and and
• 55:28
  the best season in what since 92 I
• 55:31
  guess. Um, and you don't really win
• 55:34
  anything.
• 55:35
  >> Well, just so just so so I guess that
• 55:38
  would bring the point with Venibals.
• 55:40
  He's now on the heating up seat. Not the
• 55:43
  hot seat. It's heating up again. You
• 55:44
  know, now uh Dbor is off the hot seat
• 55:46
  for a few weeks, but you're never off
• 55:49
  the hot seat totally cuz if he gets beat
• 55:51
  this week, it's back on it. And uh you
• 55:54
  know, we had Tommy on the show last week
• 55:55
  where Tommy said I said, "How tough is
• 55:57
  it?" Well, he said, "Well, we we played
• 55:59
  we won 10 games, played in the SC
• 56:01
  championship. We lost in SEC
• 56:03
  Championship and uh I'm thinking we had
• 56:06
  a pretty good year 10-2, you know, back
• 56:07
  then." And look in the paper and they
• 56:09
  had five guys they were announced that
• 56:11
  were looking at the job and the next day
• 56:13
  Curry took off and went to Kentucky, you
• 56:14
  know.
• 56:15
  >> Yeah. I mean, that was that was the year
• 56:18
  that uh you know, 92 was the
• 56:20
  championship game. That that was ' 89,
• 56:22
  you know, and so Alabama actually shared
• 56:24
  the championship with with Auburn and I
• 56:26
  think Tennessee, too. I think it was a
• 56:27
  three-way tie and you you share the
• 56:29
  conference championship and finish 10
• 56:31
  and one. You're ranked, you know, the
• 56:32
  top five, go ranked number two coming in
• 56:34
  and you get you get run off, go to
• 56:36
  Kentucky.
• 56:38
  >> Well, but what it is, they make they
• 56:39
  they they make it so uncomfortable for
• 56:41
  you and your family. They make it you
• 56:43
  you you leave then they can say, "Look,
• 56:44
  you walked away." You know, we know how
• 56:47
  that goes. That's one of those deals.
• 56:48
  They make it so
• 56:48
  >> uncomfortable. Johnny lasted two years.
• 56:50
  You know, Mike Price and that's what
• 56:51
  that's a little bit what you get. You
• 56:52
  bring in guys from the West Coast. You
• 56:54
  know, Harson lasted a year and a half at
• 56:56
  Auburn.
• 56:56
  >> They don't know what they're get. They
• 56:57
  don't know what they're getting into.
• 56:58
  >> Mike Price ends up in a strip club and
• 57:00
  last what five, four, five months, you
• 57:02
  know, and and I mean, you just it's it's
• 57:05
  a different world. I mean, you know,
• 57:07
  it's if you're on the West Coast and
• 57:08
  there's a reason, you know, Chip Kelly
• 57:09
  took UCLA over Florida. People say, "Was
• 57:11
  he crazy?" Well, no. He just didn't want
• 57:13
  people walking up to him getting out
• 57:14
  getting autographs the whole time he's
• 57:16
  sitting at dinner, you know, and and you
• 57:18
  go, you live in LA, nobody I mean,
• 57:20
  nobody cares who you I mean, it's not if
• 57:21
  you're coaching at UCLA.
• 57:24
  >> Well, that and I guess the bottom line I
• 57:25
  was saying is Dbor if he gets if he gets
• 57:27
  pounded by Indiana. Don't don't Michigan
• 57:30
  may jump back. I mean, may jump back in
• 57:32
  the picture on that situation. But not
• 57:34
  that they're going to fire him. He's got
• 57:35
  you. I don't think that's the situation.
• 57:37
  But like I say, he he he goes home and
• 57:39
  the family talks about it and they're so
• 57:40
  miserable. So, let's go somewhere else.
• 57:42
  But I don't know how that goes. Anyway,
• 57:43
  uh but anyway, it was a game I thought
• 57:45
  Texas&M was a little bit better team.
• 57:47
  Uh, and I think if they don't turn the
• 57:48
  ball over, that was one of those
• 57:50
  somebody's going to somebody's going to
• 57:51
  win it close until they'll until Miami
• 57:54
  because Miami couldn't score holly at
• 57:55
  all either. They they were but there was
• 57:56
  a great defense and uh uh and that that
• 58:00
  that game. Old Miss, we we talked about
• 58:02
  Old Miss was just and Oregon both. It
• 58:04
  was just the talent level was too good
• 58:06
  was going to make too much of a
• 58:07
  difference. That was my big thinking on
• 58:10
  those two games. Uh they got the second
• 58:12
  team allconerence quarterback sitting
• 58:14
  out there playing lights out. They've
• 58:15
  got the first team running back running
• 58:17
  lights out. Tain doesn't have those kind
• 58:19
  of athletes and I thought score and it
• 58:22
  showed. It showed.
• 58:23
  >> It did. And you got some I'm really
• 58:24
  looking forward to, you know, it'll be
• 58:26
  the I guess everybody's off this week,
• 58:28
  but you got Oregon, Texas Tech,
• 58:31
  Indiana, Old Miss, and Georgia, which
• 58:33
  was a great game. Uh, and then you got
• 58:35
  Miami, Ohio State. I mean, some some
• 58:37
  really really good games.
• 58:39
  >> Yeah, you've got the Miami Ohio State,
• 58:41
  you got nine and a half points right
• 58:42
  now. the the spots nine and a half for a
• 58:45
  high state favorite uh in that which is
• 58:47
  about right. Miami is going to have a
• 58:48
  hard time scoring on that defense.
• 58:50
  Number one defense in the country at
• 58:51
  Ohio State. Uh Texas Tech Oregon will be
• 58:53
  awesome. You're talking about some they
• 58:55
  got some NFL talent. It's a now that
• 58:57
  Oregon's a one and a half point favorite
• 58:59
  over Texas Tech, but that's a that's a
• 59:01
  toss up in my mind. And uh um and
• 59:03
  Alabama Indiana and Indiana's just under
• 59:06
  seven points right now favorite uh on
• 59:08
  that one. and which is a pretty good
• 59:10
  spread for the second round of the
• 59:12
  playoffs. But uh uh I just think
• 59:14
  Alabama, and I said this going into the
• 59:16
  Oklahoma game that they don't run the
• 59:18
  ball, they can't win the playoffs. And
• 59:20
  they they won, but that was only because
• 59:22
  Oklahoma just totally imploded. I mean,
• 59:24
  I think Alabama had 58 total yards in
• 59:26
  that game. Did still didn't throw the
• 59:28
  ball run the ball very well. Uh and then
• 59:30
  um um Old Miss um Old Miss, no, not Oh,
• 59:34
  then Miss Georgia, which will be
• 59:36
  interesting. Georgia beat him, but it
• 59:37
  was a close game. It was a close game.
• 59:39
  Georgia had to come back to win the game
• 59:41
  and it was and oh miss is they play you
• 59:43
  they've got that monkey off their back
• 59:44
  now. Can they play well without lane
• 59:46
  kippen? Can they run an offense without
• 59:49
  lane kippen? Clearly they can.
• 59:51
  >> And I didn't watch them enough this year
• 59:53
  to to you know I have to go back and
• 59:54
  watch film. But my guess is that Pete
• 59:56
  Golding uh and and Charlie Weiss Jr. uh
• 1:00:00
  without Kein being Keifin being around,
• 1:00:02
  I'm sure there were some changes
• 1:00:03
  offensively and defensively uh that they
• 1:00:06
  hadn't shown for the the rest of the
• 1:00:08
  year.
• 1:00:08
  >> Yeah, a little different little little a
• 1:00:10
  little wrinkle here, wrinkle there, you
• 1:00:11
  know. Uh but now they didn't really have
• 1:00:13
  to show it that much against Tain. I
• 1:00:15
  really don't know that you had to do
• 1:00:16
  that much against Tain uh from a
• 1:00:18
  standpoint of putting new things in, but
• 1:00:21
  when you got a week off, you got you got
• 1:00:23
  a chance to do that kind of stuff. Um
• 1:00:25
  which they did. Uh, but I guarantee you
• 1:00:27
  if they've got some wrinkles, they'll
• 1:00:28
  have it for Georgia. Uh, so that all
• 1:00:31
  those are good. That's that's a seven
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  and a half. That's a lot. That's the
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  largest. I mean, the Ohio State game,
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  they're nine and a half over Miami. And
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  Georgia's seven and a half over Miss.
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  But those are those are going to be four
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  really good games. We got a week off,
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  got some bowls coming up, we got a week
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  off, but those will be really good. Uh,
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  and it should give us a good week of
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  games on uh to play. But overall,
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  overall pretty good uh pretty good
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  football. Uh I knew we would have two
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  blowouts or two games that we probably
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  weren't going to be real good, but we'll
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  we'll that's that's part of it. Uh and
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  then we'll go from there. So anyway, um
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  >> well before
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  >> other than that, I think the Byron Brown
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  the big story there. Uh and it's a it
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  really is a huge story because when you
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  when you want to make a big change or
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  big turnaround, that quarterback's very
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  important now because I know I had Stan
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  White as a senior and we he came back
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  and played well. Dan White did and Pat
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  Nicks been really Pat was the backup the
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  whole year except for the last half
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  against Alabama. Uh but this will be a
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  big this will be a big uh this will be a
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  big part of the future of Auburn I think
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  uh what this what how this goes with
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  Byron Brown and uh I wouldn't be shocked
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  that it ends up with Byron and Duce
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  Knight. I wouldn't be ship shook. It
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  wouldn't shock me at all if it was Byron
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  Brown and Deuce Knight. And uh and I and
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  be honest with you, if it was Ashton
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  Daniels and and Bruce Knight, I think
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  you got you got a pretty good future
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  there. But I I just got to believe that
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  that coach, he he going to ride that
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  horse as long as he can ride him. And
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  he's got him a horse uh that he's going
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  to have. Uh and because whoever takes
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  Byron Brown is going to have to promise
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  him to start. I guarantee there's no way
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  you can bring a guy in with one year of
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  eligibility with his stats who just
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  played for you, you know, and not say
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  you're our guy, you know, and probably
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  have to tell the guys that that's here
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  the same thing. Um, so should be
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  interesting. Should be interesting.
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  We'll have a um we'll be able we'll
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  probably we'll have a show next week
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  before the championship game. So, we'll
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  be somewhere between Christmas and New
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  Year's next week that we'll get on and
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  uh and there'll be some bowl games. Oh,
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  there's my phone ringing. How about
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  that? Scared me a little bit. All right,
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  we can talk a little bit about our
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  sponsor.
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  >> Yes, always Tom Haley uh from Haley
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  Family Foundation. We thank Tom uh and
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  the foundation for for sponsoring our
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  show. Um can't say enough about Tom
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  every time I come in. My mother's living
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  right now in in Auburn when I get there
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  to see her. I get to see Tom all the
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  time. And uh uh appreciate him what he
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  does for Auburn, what he does for Auburn
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  athletics uh and what he has done to
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  make this show possible each week. And
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  uh uh let us know, let Ron know or let
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  us know on the on the board whether you
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  what if y'all want us to talk about
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  something else and uh uh we'll be glad
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  to talk about it and uh uh maybe open up
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  some opening up some callers maybe.
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  >> Yeah, we can do that next week.
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  >> That sounds good.
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  >> Thanks to everybody for listening and
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  we'll see you next week.