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Hall & Oates · A Really Good Podcast with Greg & Liz

• 0:08
  SPEAKER_00: Hello, hello, and welcome to another episode of a really good podcast with Greg and Liz.
• 0:12
  SPEAKER_00: And on today's episode, we're gonna be a couple of Hall Raisers.
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_00: So I looked up what Hall and Hall and Oats fans were called, and that's what it is.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_02: Hall raisers?
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean I feel like we could do it.
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_00: I liked Odies.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_00: Which we talked about in the episode.
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's what it kind of like.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_02: Well, because well, do you prefer Hall or Oat?
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_02: I actually at the end of this, I want to discuss who is the Do you know something I share, you know, in common with them almost like a mustache?
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_02: That's right.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_02: Did you did you know also that Hall and Oats?
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_02: Now you're you'll probably get to this, like pop duo, rock duo, whatever.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_02: Guinness Book of Records greatest.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_02: Really?
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, which is like Greatest of all time.
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  SPEAKER_02: Greatest rock duo of all time.
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  SPEAKER_00: Greatest.
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  SPEAKER_00: Kind of kinda hard to quantify.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't know how to do it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Greatest rock duo.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, uh I was trying to think of other duos.
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  SPEAKER_00: Everly brothers.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_00: Oh.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but they were brothers.
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  SPEAKER_00: I feel like that gives you, you know, an advantage a little bit.
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  SPEAKER_02: Duos?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, duos are tough.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's not a lot of duo because I feel like Matt and Kim, the Ting Tings.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but are they, is it just the two of them?
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_00: I think so.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because a lot of people me and Dr.
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  SPEAKER_02: E Fall.
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  SPEAKER_00: Minnie Me and Dr.
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  SPEAKER_00: E.
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  SPEAKER_00: No, I was gonna me and you.
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, me and you.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_00: You know, because I was so uh one of the things I was looking at is like why is Hall always first?
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_00: And then I was thinking about when we were deciding the name for our podcast, I was like, what should it be?
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  SPEAKER_00: And you were like, Greg and Liz, and it's like of course, that's what you said.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I was okay with it because it's alphabetically correct.
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  SPEAKER_02: H and O is too.
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  SPEAKER_00: It could have, yeah, H O, but also like Daryl Hall, I think he's I think he's the problem, but I think he's also duos do that.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_02: What alphabetically?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_00: Well, yeah, I mean I think you gotta go with what flows better.
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_00: Macaroni and cheese.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_00: I think if it was like your name was Rick, I think Rick and Liz would still work better than Liz and Rick.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't know, actually.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't think so.
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  SPEAKER_00: No, Liz and Rick.
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  SPEAKER_00: Is it is it because of the alphabetical?
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_02: It might be.
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  SPEAKER_02: It might be a brain thing, you know, and maybe we can feel more comfortable with that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because one thing I always notice is like on TV shows when they do the opening credits, I always look to see if it's alphabetical or if there's a reason to it.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, because it it does suggest importance.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, because uh and certainly that's not the case in our thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: But does Halloween's ship would sink without me?
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  SPEAKER_02: And I and I automatically assume though, Hall Hall's the leader.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_00: Well, Hall is the leader.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he's clearly the voice.
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  SPEAKER_00: He's actually Oates wrote some.
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not sure that Oates needs to be there.
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  SPEAKER_02: It could be just about anybody.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_02: It could be just about anybody.
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  SPEAKER_02: It could be Hall and just about anybody.
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  SPEAKER_00: It could be Hall.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, people are mad about that though already.
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  SPEAKER_00: I know.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're gonna we're gonna get a lot of hate from it.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we got inspired from this from our episode that was released two weeks ago, but we recorded last week because we released them a little bit out of order.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it was the what what did we do?
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  SPEAKER_00: Summer bangers, 80 summer bangers.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I just want to say that I actually listened to that episode with Tucker, which is the first time we've ever done that.
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_00: It's the first time we've ever listened to it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Were you in the car?
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_00: We were in the car, we were on our way to the Yacht Rock show.
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_00: We were on our way to Yachtly Crew, and we were talking about it, and he was like, Do you want to just read off the list?
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  SPEAKER_00: Because I was asking him what he thought would be the winner.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, Yeah, I was like, but on the episode I actually put clips from the music.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_00: He's like, we should probably listen to it then.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, Oh, this is weird.
• 3:36
  SPEAKER_00: And there was like one part where I told a story about like an ex-boyfriend, and I was like, Is this weird?
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  SPEAKER_00: But he didn't care.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he didn't give a shit.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_00: But it it is a weird thing for me to listen to it with another person.
• 3:47
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, and well, how'd it go?
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_00: It was good.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_00: He was furious that we put so many bangers back to back, like right up front.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_00: When we did Summer of 69 and Boys of Summer, he's like, Are you fucking kidding me?
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  SPEAKER_00: You're putting these right out the gate.
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  SPEAKER_02: They were not doing this because it's easy.
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  SPEAKER_00: I was like, listen, and my whole thing was, and I'd like to say this to anyone who is also upset because my dad was a little bit upset with our choices too.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_00: He was very mad that I didn't go to bat from You Can Call Me Ow.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_00: What went over You Could Call Me Ow?
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  SPEAKER_00: Walk of Life.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's I stand behind it.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_00: I stand behind it too.
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_00: It was, I mean, I love But You Can Call Me Ow.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_00: It was funny though later that night Yachtly Crew played You Can Call Me Owl and I sent him a video of it as a peace offering.
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  SPEAKER_00: But my thing, I'd just like to say that my purpose of putting them together was putting songs that were alike together.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_00: So, like Summer of 69 Boys of Summer was alike to me.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_00: But Tucker felt that it petered off, there weren't as many bangers at the end, which I understand, but I can only do so much here.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_02: Look.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_00: I'm a one-woman show, no offense.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_02: I think I was as I was as surprised and taken aback as anybody.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_02: You know?
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  SPEAKER_02: But I I I think that we I think we did our due diligence.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_02: He did.
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  SPEAKER_00: He thought we should have had more than the USA as the winner.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_00: And I think it could have been the winner, but I think Kokomo just encapsulated the 80s a little bit better.
• 5:00
  SPEAKER_02: And I also think it's more of a summer song.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_00: Although 4th of July.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I don't know.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you know what?
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_00: We're we're talking about Hollow Notes here.
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_00: We're talking about Hollow Notes here.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_00: How did you, speaking of bangers, how did you get into Hollow Notes?
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, weird.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, okay.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_02: So I I know I was in the Navy and we were driving back from a party, and my friend Kiefer, I'll never forget, threw in a C D, you know, back in the mixed CDs.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_02: Love the mixed CD.
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  SPEAKER_02: And you know the first song that came on?
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  SPEAKER_02: What?
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  SPEAKER_02: Rich Girl.
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, God, I haven't heard the song in forever.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it's just like I was hooked.
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  SPEAKER_02: Did you maybe have like a little bit of a buzz?
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because like there's nothing like being in the car with a little bit of a buzz, driving around, hearing just an incredible song.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, and and from there I was like, what else do these guys have on up their sleeve?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that would have been what, like 2002, 2003?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then when I came out of the Navy in 2005, I was really into it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_02: You know?
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  SPEAKER_00: That was when they went on tour.
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  SPEAKER_00: I actually saw them on tour.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I got into them.
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  SPEAKER_00: I actually thought that there was a Hollow Notes night on American Idol.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_00: Upon doing research for this episode, I found out that is not the case.
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_00: There was sing a song from your birth year night, and somebody sang she's gone because it was from their birth year.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: That sparked my interest in Hollow Notes.
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  SPEAKER_01: She's gone.
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  SPEAKER_01: I thought I had a little fun fact about she's gone.
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  SPEAKER_01: That it was re-released.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're gonna talk about she's gone.
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  SPEAKER_00: So there was not a Hollow Notes American Island, unfortunately.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_00: I think I was getting it confused with the Neil Diamond night, which they did have, and I did become a huge fan of Neil Diamond after.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_02: I've always been a huge fan of Neil Diamond.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's another episode.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_00: Forever in Blue Jeans.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean incredible song.
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  SPEAKER_02: September 1.
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  SPEAKER_00: Just so good.
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  SPEAKER_02: But I I you know, so I can't go for that.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_02: We're not just skip to a song of a Hollow Notes or anything like that, but I Yeah, please don't because I have an online.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, yeah, fair enough.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_02: Now, did you know that Michael Jackson Okay did I know?
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_00: Greg, like I I are we new here?
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_00: It's been three years.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you think I didn't do my due diligence with this?
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_00: You think I wasn't watching a TikTok that was comparing I can't go for that and Billy Jean on the way over here?
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_00: Come on.
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  SPEAKER_02: I never heard it.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_02: I never heard it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like it never stuck out to me.
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_02: Now, if you're now if you're telling me like Ice Ice Baby and Under Pressure, it's clear.
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_02: It's not as clear.
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, change.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_00: Um no, apparently, so the the story behind it is that during the We Are the World recording, Michael Jackson came up to Daryl Hall and said, Hey, sorry for stealing the synth line from I Can't Go for That for Billy Jean.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_00: And Daryl Hall was like, I don't even really hear it.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_00: He's like, but that just goes to show you how you can be inspired by something as a musician and another musician won't even like pick up on it.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_00: I listened to it.
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_00: It does sound like I can hear it.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_00: Did you listen to No, I did not come here.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: But I will say this he didn't tell Oates.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_02: No.
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  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 7:53
  SPEAKER_00: Well, he's like, who is this guy?
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_02: He's like, excuse me, Oates.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_00: He's like, is this guy like the sound guy?
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_00: The boom guy?
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_00: Like that's the thing about Oates.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_00: It's like he's just I don't know.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't because I'm sure he's important.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think that he is like nothing.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I know what to compare it to?
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_02: It's like Simon and Garfunkel.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_02: He's Garfunkel.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I don't know because Garfunkel though.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_00: Isn't he bridge over troubled water by himself?
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_00: No?
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_02: I think that's Simon and Garfunkel.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_02: But it might get it.
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_00: No, it is Simon and Garfunkel.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_00: But he's got, I feel like Garfunkel has his own thing.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_00: It's not like a McCartney and Lennon situation.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, he does.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_00: He's like the crazy blonde hair, right?
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's not like a McCartney and Lennon situation where they both shine.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_00: Paul pretty much takes the front stage.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_02: And I think I think that's why you're gonna see that most of the time, probably.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_00: It's not like us.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_00: Where we both have our strengths.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_00: Like you have the humor and I get the podcast out.
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you do a lot of work.
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  SPEAKER_00: Are they a duo or a band?
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  SPEAKER_00: Would you say?
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  SPEAKER_00: Is it the same thing?
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_01: That's a great question.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_00: You know what's interesting?
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  SPEAKER_00: I also saw that if you look at all their records, it's Daryl Hall and John Oates.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_00: It's not like Hall and Oates is not the name of the band.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_00: They just put their names up there and everyone calls them Hall and Oates.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_00: That's interesting, too.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_00: I think Daryl Hall's real last name is H-O-H-L, too.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_00: Hall.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_00: It sounds Holland Oats.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_00: But I mean Hall and Oates, obviously.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_02: That sounds a Nordic.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_00: Hall?
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_00: Like you'd leave your baby outside.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_02: Totally.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_02: And that's what they're doing.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_00: So they are considered blue eyed soul.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_00: Did you have you ever heard of this?
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_00: So blue-eyed soul is basically like white people that play black music.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_00: There was a whole list of people that they claim kind of does that.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_00: It was I wish I'd written it down.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't write down any of them.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of Yacht Rock people, Kenny Loggins, Chaos for sure.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_00: Like have that kind of vibe to them.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I mean, I just get it.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_02: I think all sort of American music comes from.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, everybody.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_00: Everybody is inspired by black people.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think that I wouldn't say they're like, what's the term for when you're trying to steal from other cultures?
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_02: Appropriation.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_00: Appropriate.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_00: They're not like appropriating it, I wouldn't say, because it's not it's pretty white guys.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_00: Like nobody's I don't think anyone's really listening to this being like, oh yeah, this is this is definitely black people.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_00: But I mean it does have a little bit more of like the R and B to it, certain songs.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_00: I can't go for that kind of, I think does a little bit.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I mean, I think all yawck, right?
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_02: And and then would you say like this Holland O's is Ya Rog, right?
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_00: I would say so.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I can't think of anything I'd rather do than listen to Hollow Notes on a yacht.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_00: And isn't that the barometer?
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_00: I think so.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_00: I think so.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's all we're gonna we're gonna go with.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_00: So let's start with their meeting.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_00: Daryl Hall, Daryl Hall and John Oates met at the Adelphi Ballroom in Philadelphia in 1967.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_00: Hall was 21 and Oates was 19.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_00: There was actually a gang fight that night and they found themselves escaping in the same freight elevator.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_00: I'd like to hear more about that.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_02: That's street crab.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_00: W like do you think it was like a gang, or do you think it was like a gang in like a movie where it's like a bunch of young little white boys that have like Yeah.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_02: Is it the same kind of gangs where like I would have when the chronic came out in like 1994 or whatever, I had people in my elementary school say they knew someone in the crypts.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_02: Or the bloods.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_00: Or like Danny Zuko type gang.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, you're talking like almost like West Side Story.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_02: Somewhere in between.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_02: I think they felt in danger.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_00: I highly doubt that it was like a real life-threatening situation because in the elevator they started talking about music and realizing they were interested in the same music.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know that that's where you're gonna go here really like in a life-threatening situation.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_00: That was crazy, right?
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_00: Wait.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_00: Was that a gang?
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_00: So what are you listening to lately?
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_00: So they became good friends and eventually became roommates.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_00: Do you think that they ever like it?
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_02: It was the 80s.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_00: It was the 60s.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_00: Oh into the 70s, which even end of 60s, early 70s, that's it.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_02: Like, you know, I so look, I'm gonna speak out of school here.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_02: I have, and maybe this is just the way I want to see the world.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_02: I think that if there's a uh a a dorms or like whatever with a lot of women hanging out with each other, there's going to be some Spoochy kissing.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_02: Spoochy kissing, yeah.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_00: You think that a lot of women hang out together, inevitably they're gonna start making out.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_00: I hope so.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like you've just watched too much porn.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, okay.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_00: Well, hold on.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_00: I can promise you I have a lot of girlfriends, and never at any point has anyone just started making out.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_00: I will say there have been times at the bar with men around.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, dude, do you know how many times I've like, oh, on a feeling a little whimsical and just made out with a guy?
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_02: Zero times.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_00: Zero times.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, me too, like with a girl.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just saying it does happen more.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_02: It's more likely.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_00: In your head.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_02: No, no.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_02: Listen, first of all, don't even watch one.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_00: First of all, I watched Top Gun.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_00: I know what you guys were like in the Navy.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_00: Sla s grabassy.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_00: There was a lot of hugging, if I remember correctly.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_02: But Oh, I'm still a hugger.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I know.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_00: You love a hug.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_00: We've never hugged.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_00: No, isn't it?
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_00: We never will.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_00: Because you're not because I'm not a hugger.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_00: I don't like to be touched.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_00: Even last night, Dylan was like sitting next to me.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, can you give me some space, please?
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I'm a little overstimulated.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_00: No, I I don't know.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_00: I I actually don't think it kind of seems like they didn't even really like each other that much.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_00: They had the kind of relationship where I remember hearing this about Gilmore girls.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_00: How everyone wanted to believe that Lorelai and Rory in real life were like mother and daughter.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_00: And Lauren Graham came out and was like, no, like she was my coworker.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_00: First of all, she's only like 15 years younger than me, so it's not, I don't not like her mom.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_00: And you wanted the belief that they have this like super tight-knit relationship, but it's like sometimes the best work relationships are just work relationships.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_00: They're not best friends.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_02: I agree.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_02: And I and I think like when they tried, well, I think the Beatles are really close.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_00: And then when something fractures, it's not It's almost worse, I feel like to be good friends.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_02: It is because when it when it when it ends, it ends bad.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_02: Because every there's feelings involved.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_02: It's not just like busy.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_00: You get hurt by things.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_00: I've always tried to keep very separate with my work life and my personal life.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_00: Got it.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not a big let's hang out.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_00: I have become friends with people that I was coworkers with, but generally speaking, like, get me out of work, get me home.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I'll go to work.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_02: So hospitals are different.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_02: So I'll go to work and people will be like, oh, and this one was passed out.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_02: And like they were talking about it at work.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, that's why I don't do the work hangouts.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_02: Because you're not, I don't want anyone to be like, Did you see Greg?
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, I don't, I just don't want that.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_00: You know?
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_00: And then like, what if you like get drunk and like make out with somebody and then you have to go and like work with them after?
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_00: Oh god.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, thankfully, not something we have to worry about at this point.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_00: No, we don't have to worry about that at all.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_00: I also only work with women, so it's still possible.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_00: No, Greg, it's not.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_00: It's not possible.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_00: So it took them actually two years after becoming roommates to form a musical group and three years after that to release a debut record.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_00: Do you think they were like noodling around on the guitar, or do you think they just like kept it complete?
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_00: Because they were both musicians.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_02: I think they were putting the work in.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like seeing where like they're finding their sound.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_00: Or maybe they were separately trying to make it.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_02: Then they were like, oh, help me with this one.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_00: What do you think about this?
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_00: And it was like, and you're like, whoa.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_00: They just get down and they just start going.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_00: So initially they struggled to find their sound, dabbling in folk, soul, rock, pop, and had no hit singles until Lou Rawls covered She's Gone.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_00: And that kind of kicked them off a little bit.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_00: Now She's Gone is a great song.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_00: That's a great one.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_00: Some of these I'm not I'm not in love with.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm gonna be honest, I only talked about the songs that I knew.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean we're not doing like deep cuts for like holding up.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_02: No interesting thing.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_00: I like I there was so much there was such a big intense history, and I was like, this isn't that interesting.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm just gonna stick with the the hits.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_00: She's gone was written because they were both going through romantic breakups.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_00: Oates was stood up by a girlfriend on New Year's Eve, which sounds like something that would happen to Oates.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_00: Hall was dealing with the end of his marriage to Brianna Lumlin.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_00: Have you ever been stood up?
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think so.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_00: I've been ghosted a few times.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but well, I mean, ghost is a phenomenon that happens sort of like after I've already been, you know, with well, ghosting isn't new.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_00: Ghosting, no, ghosting is.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I know.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_00: Sexy ghoster, no.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_00: That's uh no.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_00: Ghosting is just like you're dating somebody and then they just like drop off the face and they don't ever like say bye.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_02: Then yes, I've been ghosted.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I've been ghosted a few times.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_02: Actually, there was oh my god, one of the best moves ever.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_02: I'm I'm at T-Mobile.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_02: Getting a new phone.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_02: There is this lovely, you know, I don't know what you call them, like phone worker.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_02: And she's like, she's I'm like, oh, you gotta show me how to put you gotta show me all these things.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_02: Help me work this thing, help me figure this thing out.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_02: And then at the end I'm like, show me how to put your number in it.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_00: Did she?
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_02: And she did.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_02: And we hung out for a while.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_02: And then her ex came back.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_02: And so there was like a reason.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no, she came back and she was like, Oh, no, so I'm not really into this or whatever.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_02: And like her ex and like he like hung out with the colour.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, Yeah.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_02: This guy is like, he was like 6'4, and like I can't.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, you can't compete with that.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_02: Gorgeous head of hair.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_03: This is over.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_00: She's gone.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_00: Oh wow I better learn how to face it.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it was pretty bad.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, I've had multiple guys.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_00: I dated a kid and he would call me all the time.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_00: And I went home for like a week and he was like texting me, calling me, telling me he was like super into me.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_00: And then I came back and he just disappeared and turned out to go back together with his ex-girlfriend while I was on vacation.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, why did you call me?
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_02: How do you ghosted someone else?
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_02: Because I have done that.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_00: Well, uh, I've never ghosted after like an extended period of time.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_00: I've ghosted after a date.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's fair.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_02: I I've ghosted after a few dates.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_02: I I it's it's just sometimes it's I don't know.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_02: It's not cool.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_02: It's just easier.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_00: No, it is easier, but not not this one.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_00: I'm 16 years in, so I'm probably not gonna ghost Tucker.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_02: I would that would be really hard.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_02: It'd be weird, yeah.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_00: So, anyways, in 1974, they left Atlantic Records to join RCA, and their first album, Daryl Hall and John Oates, became their first real success.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_00: It featured Sarah Smile, a song Hall wrote for his writing partner, Sarah Allen, who we he was in a relationship with for almost 30 years.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_00: They like just broke up.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, not just broke up, but when I say in like 2003 or four or something like that.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_02: I'm always like interested in the the women who are the sort of basis for these like incredible songs.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_02: Like something Wonderful Tonight and Something.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, same.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_00: And there's another one too.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's about all about the same one.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_00: Patty Patty Boyd.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_02: She must have been something about her.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, she must have been a lucker.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_00: This one, Sarah Allen, she actually was a co-writer for some of their biggest hits.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_00: Man Eater, You Make My Dreams Come True.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_00: She like wrote a bunch of them.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_02: What exactly is a Maneater?
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, you're gonna find out.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_00: Sarah Smile became their first top 10 hit in the Billboard 100, which caused them to re-release She's Gone and made that a hit.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_00: Their next album, Bigger Than Both of Us, was released in 1976 with its first single, Do What You Want, Be What You Are.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_00: I've never heard that one, so we're not gonna talk about it.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_00: That tanked.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_00: There you go.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_00: And then their second single, Rich Girl, was a smash, marking their first number one.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_00: So Rich Girl was actually Sarah knew this kid in college, Victor Walker, who was an heir to a fast food fortune.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_00: Reportedly, the Walker Brothers' original pancake house in Chicago, and his parents owned 15 KFC franchises.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_00: That's a moneymaker.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_00: Can you imagine getting all that pre-child?
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_00: Do you think they came home with like chicken all the time?
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_00: Or you're rich, so probably not.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_02: I think you probably stayed the hell away from it.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_02: I know, but like although there was a time in KFC.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_02: I remember like going out and like going and sitting and eating in Wendy's.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_00: KFC is like upscale fast food.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_02: So was Wendy's.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_02: Wendy's had a salad bar.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my god, the salad bar.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_00: I love the salad bar.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_00: It's the only time I've ever eaten cottage cheese in my entire life.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_00: I stayed away from that.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_00: It didn't look right.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_02: But I they used to call me cheese.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_00: It still doesn't look right.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_00: The amount of times I bought cottage cheese and I've just thrown it right out, thrown it right in the trash.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_00: Without even opening it.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, I want to do this, but I just can't.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_00: I just it's just not right.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_00: So he came to Sarah's apartment acting strange and banging off the walls.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_00: He was on drugs, and she realized he could get away with anything because his father would bail him out.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_00: So the original lyric was he can rely on his old man's money.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_00: He's a rich guy.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_00: But they didn't think that rich guy sounded right.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_00: So they changed it to rich girl.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_00: And apparently the guy knew the song was about him.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_00: I'd love to know where he is now.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_00: I bet he's either fantastically rich or a huge loser.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but the thing is, like these people who are like start off rich or just n never know any difficulty or like have to work towards something, they always suck.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I always say like being born to rich parents or winning the lottery are two of like the biggest curses you can get.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_00: Because having money that you don't work for is not it makes you a monster.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_00: Like if you ever see a rich family, the dad is always the coolest one.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_00: You know he went and got it, right?
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_00: Because he did it.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he's probably like working at one of those KFCs.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_00: Or like running it.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_00: He's like the manager.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_00: Did you watch the new Jury Duty?
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_00: I watched the first one.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my god, no.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_00: The second one is all about it's called Company Retreat.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_00: And then the whole thing is like his son is going to like take over the company.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_00: And so this one guy is like just starting, he's like a tenth working at the thing.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_00: And the son is like, he wears the drug rug.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_00: You know the shirt that like the all thing he's gonna wear?
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_00: He like has that funny.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_00: He has like bleached hair.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's so funny.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_00: You should watch.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_00: It's unbelievable how they did it, but they did it again.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_00: Anyways, David Berkowitz.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: Actually claimed that Rich Girl was the inspo for his son of Sam murders.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_00: Did you know that?
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_00: Why?
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, because he hates rich girls?
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_02: Wasn't he killing prostitutes?
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, like specific looking girls, right?
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I think it fired up something.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_00: However, so he said that.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_00: That isn't alleged.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_00: He straight up came out and said that.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_00: But the timeline doesn't really add up because his first murder occurred on July 29th, 1976.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_00: The song was released as a single in January 1977, and the album with the song on it wasn't even released till two months after the first murder.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_00: But it could have like stirred something up as it's going on.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_00: You know, some people murder people and then go years without doing it.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_00: And he just plowed right through.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_02: He did.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_00: So maybe maybe he like got the Hollow Notes album the day it came out.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_00: And he was like sitting there listening to his record player, and he was like, Man, fuck them bitches.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_02: But it's like one bitch though.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_02: Why?
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_02: He only killed one person?
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_02: Well, no, it's like he killed multiple, but like it's a rich girl.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_02: It's not rich girls.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but like that was the kind of archetype.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_00: I was thinking, like, forget Marilyn Manson.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_00: Remember when they tried to blame Marilyn Manson on all the school shootings?
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, the West Memphis 3, too.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_02: Um, they tried to blame Marilyn Manson and Metallica and all that shit.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_00: Turns out it was Hall and Oates all.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_02: So it's like there's no rhyme or reason to this.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_02: Because no one heard like rich girl and was like, this is some dangerous stuff.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_00: Like tweaking out.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_00: I am tweaking out.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_00: Get me my boat shoes.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_00: We gotta take that to the bottom of this.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_02: Um boat shoes is funny.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_00: So the late 70s, early through early 80s were a tough time for them.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_00: They had difficulty getting a lot of radio play, mainly because of the popularity of disco.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_00: They dabbled in pop disco with the release of X static with an X.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, not good.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_02: No, not that.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_02: DGs were just taking over at this point.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_00: No, there's no connection there.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_00: And this was the time when he actually really started writing with Sarah.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_00: So this is he's been dating Sarah, but this is when she really came into the fold.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_00: And her sister, actually, who we're gonna talk about in a minute, she was part of the writing team also.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_00: They decided they wanted to capture the sound of New York City, so they chose not to record in LA as they had been, and instead recorded at Electric Ladies Studios.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_00: Do you know about Electric Lady Studios?
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_00: Don't.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_00: So it was founded by Jimi Hendrix, who only was able to record at it for a very short time before he died, and led Zeppelin, CV Wonder, David Bowie, all the way to now.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_00: Taylor Swift last month just came out of there at like 5 30 in the morning after recording all night for assuming is a new album.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_00: So it's still like you two, John Mayer, like everybody who's anybody records at Electric Lady Studio.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_00: That's cool.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_00: It's gonna have great acoustics.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_02: It's gotta.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's gotta.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know what else the like criteria is for a great studio, but maybe there's good snacks.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe it's like, yeah, what would it be?
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_00: It's like on top of a 7-Eleven, so you can get anything you want.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_00: Really?
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_00: So this is the album that featured the cover of The Righteous Brothers, You've Lost That Love and Feeling.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_00: I actually don't know if I know the difference between the Hollow Notes version and the right.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_02: They kind of went to the Speaker.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_02: So the Hollow Notes version is in Top Gun.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, so that's the version.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's the one you know.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_02: That's at least I hope.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_00: Are the Righteous Brothers a duo?
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_02: I think that might be more than two.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_02: Oh wow.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_02: Like no.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_00: Like Hansen?
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_00: Well, a triple brother is a if you have three sons, like they're gonna become a band.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_00: Well?
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_00: Hansen, the Jonas brothers.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_00: And then you have four and it all falls apart like that.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_00: Actually, no, the Jonas Brothers, there are four Jonas brothers.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_00: There's the bonus Jonas, Frankie.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and he's just like does nothing.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_00: He actually does release music, but he's not a he's not a Jonas brother.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_00: He is a Jonas brother, but he's not a Jonas brother.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_02: Right, right.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_02: Just like just like the the third Lawrence brother.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, what the fuck's this guy doing?
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_00: I love the third Lawrence brother.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_00: He's the worst.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_00: I find him very attractive.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_00: The littlest one?
• 25:54
  unknown: Why?
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_02: Because he's like jacked now?
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_00: No, I just like something about him.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_00: I just like him the best out of all of them.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_00: He's not a little reading.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_00: How dare you?
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_02: Have you ever seen twins with Danny Vito and Schlosseneger?
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_02: It's like kind of like that.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think so.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_02: The two stunningly handsome ones.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_00: We talked about Joey in the episode we released last week, I believe.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_00: We recorded it like three months ago, so I don't remember, and I haven't finished editing it yet.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_00: But there's a lot of drama with Joey and his his ex-wife.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_00: We talked about this, and so I'm not gonna repeat it, but he like put his ex-wife on blast and was like, oh, she doesn't want to accept my daughters.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_00: And then we got back together.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_00: So I kind of feel like he's the black sheet.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like it makes me want to get like scalp micropigmentation.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_00: I'm concerned that we talked about my attraction to the brother in the last episode, and I'm gonna be like, I'm gonna look crazy.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_00: You like the you like the weaker?
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_00: I follow him on Instagram.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_00: I do.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_00: You know what?
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_00: I like I Joey's too pretty.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_00: Matthew, he's fine, he's whatever, but I don't, you know, I like little junk in the trunk.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_02: Do you like the the cross-eyed oldest brother of Mbops?
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_00: I mean he's handsome.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I liked Taylor, obviously.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_00: Everyone likes Taylor.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_02: But I mean Taylor is an attractive woman and man.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_00: I don't I haven't seen Hansen.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_00: Well, Hansen's weird now.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_00: They're like religious.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_00: And they all have like 17 kids.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_00: So are the They're like weird religious, though.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_00: You know how they you have like regular religious and then you have the ones who like They tell everyone they're going out.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and they like do weird things, but then they still sing their bangers, so I don't know.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, look, count me in.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know how the church feels about Mbop.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_00: Have you ever listened to Mbop as like a slowed-down version?
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, dude.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_00: It's fucking haunting.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_02: It's incredible, actually.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_00: It's actually a really good song.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_00: It's really sad.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, the lyrics are like.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_02: Did they write that as kids?
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_00: I think so.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_02: It's fucking profound lyrics.
• 27:44
  unknown: I know.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_02: I was not thinking that shit when I was 16 years old.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_00: No, I couldn't even understand what they were saying.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, if you didn't have the album, you didn't have the lyrics.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_00: I think all of life was gonna pass you by and shit.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, I know.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_00: How the fuck do you know?
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, how do you know?
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_00: You're small children.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so Kiss on My List was next and went to one number one.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_00: This was written by Sarah's sister, Jana Allen, or to like launch her career.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_00: And then Hall wanted to help her out, so he recorded a demo, and the record company was like, Nope, that guy's singing it.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_00: So they gave it to him.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_00: Now, would it have launched Jana's career?
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like it it was good in the mix with the other songs that they had.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know that like as a standalone single.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_02: Kiss on my list is like one of the main Hall and Old songs.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but if a band just released that.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_02: No, because I actually just listened to this recently because I went through all these songs, and this song's stupid as hell.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_00: So he said it's like an anti-love song.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_00: He said the title is tongue-in-cheek sarcasm in that the kiss is not that important.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_00: It's just on a list of things that are important.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_02: But he said it's on the list of the best things in life.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's one of the best things.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_00: But it's not the best thing.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe if you would have named some other good things for contrast, you know.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_00: He was like.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what else are you Daryl?
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_00: What else?
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_00: What else is there?
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_00: Actually, Jana, what else is there?
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_00: Because she's the one who wrote it.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_00: He actually told a magazine that Eddie Van Halen told him he copied the synth part from Kiss on My List and used it in jump.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_00: What the fuck?
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_00: So, like, I'm beginning to wonder like, is Daryl Hall making this up?
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_02: I know, I know.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_02: Zoom for his come to.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_02: Like, he's like, you know what?
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_02: Eddie Van Halen came up to me.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_02: You heard of Van Halen, right?
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_02: Liz just walked away.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_00: I just walked away.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_00: I came to get my phone.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_00: I just realized my mom's babysitting.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_00: So I just realized I should probably like make sure.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, good.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_00: We're good.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_00: I have a baby.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_00: I don't have a wife, Greg.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_00: You know?
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_00: I don't have somebody that can just take care of shit.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_02: Neither do I, but I will soon.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_00: What do you mean?
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_00: You're getting married?
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_02: Well, um, there's no date or anything, but I You've been engaged for five years.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_02: It's getting serious.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_00: You're actually planning.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_00: Am I gonna be invited?
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_00: Oh god, yeah, of course.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_00: Of course.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_00: I love a wedding.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_00: I never get to go to weddings anymore.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_00: Actually, I've been to two in the last like eight months.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, uh and my aging out of weddings.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and like anybody that gets married now, it's like a second wedding.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_00: Nobody's getting invited.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_00: Well it's Mars's.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, second wedding.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_02: What?
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_02: Third?
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_02: No, second.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_00: Second, but wait, are you really like planning a wedding?
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, well, well, yeah.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my god.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_02: I know we're gonna it's gonna be like low-key because it is a second.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_00: Because you need to wear a short sleeve button-down shirt with no ties.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_00: Are you gonna run it back from your first setting up?
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_02: I forgot all about that.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_00: And also, that's what you do like every time you go to a fancy thing, I've noticed.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_00: Jack's graduation?
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_00: Don't think I didn't clock that.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_00: I almost commented on it.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_00: That I'm wearing That you're not dressing up enough.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_00: You need to and like you dress up.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_02: My cousin literally said that to me at the wedding.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_02: What did he say?
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_02: He goes, and and you know when someone says two words and they make it a question without saying about say, like, yeah.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_02: He said, polisher?
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_02: I said, bye.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, no good.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_02: So so that's not that's a two that's a two left word question back.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_02: No good.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_00: The thing about it though is like you're very fashionable.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_00: Like you come in here and you have nice shoes on, you have a nice sweater on, like you get more dressed up for work than you do for these life events.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_00: What's going on?
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_00: Should you talk to like one of your coworkers about this?
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe I should.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_02: It's like I'm I it's it's like a protest.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_00: Is it a protest because you have struggled in the wedding area?
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I do not like weddings.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_02: I will not support this.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, all right.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_02: That's not a bad sort of uh conceptualization, we would say.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_00: I think that you need to at least I I'm thinking at least long sleeves.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_00: Or well, it depends on the situation.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_00: Where where are you thinking about?
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_00: I want to do it like on the beach.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_00: On the beach.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_00: So maybe short sleeves would be.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, make it work.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_00: But then like she's gonna be in a full fucking gown and she's gonna look really hot.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_00: So you need to step up.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_02: I know.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_02: She will too, because she's very pretty lady.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_00: Because she is really hot.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_00: But do you know, do you remember the first thing that you said to me when I met her?
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_00: You go, This is Natasha, doesn't she have a great ass?
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_00: And I said, Yeah, this is really uncomfortable for me.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_00: I don't remember that.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_00: We're at like a third birthday party.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_00: Stone cold silver, like the middle of the afternoon.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, yeah.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_00: Like you don't want to say no, you know.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_02: But it's true.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_00: So speaking of getting married, you make my dreams come true.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_02: Uh-huh.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_00: The next single, it only hit number five.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_00: It's one of my favorites.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_00: It's one of my favorites.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_00: It had a resurgence though with 500 days of summer.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_02: And also, I feel like it's in it's in a lot of movies.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like I'm thinking Adam Sandler for some reason.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know though.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know what.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_00: But it is in a lot of movies.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_00: It was a happy accident.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_00: They were just like noodling around.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_00: I like saying noodling around when I talk about it.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_00: I've said it a few times.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_00: And I like it.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_00: I like it.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_00: In dressing room, and they started playing a Delta Blues, and he started playing a Textus Swing, and they put them together.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_00: And Oats, oh, Oates' head.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_00: So Oats was oh, look at that.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_00: Look at that guy.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_00: Undercut.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_00: That you make my dreams come true just popped in.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_00: So everyone liked it, and it was as simple as that.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_00: Not deep, but it's not it's not a deep song.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_00: It's a wonderful song.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_02: It's a wonderful song, yeah.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_02: Sometimes you know it doesn't need to be deep.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_00: And then another song on the album was Every Time You Go Away.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_00: Which was not a hit until it was covered by Paul Young.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_00: So I believe it's their song that somebody else covered.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_02: Paul Young crushed it.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_02: It's a great song.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_02: I always thought it was you take a piece of meat with you.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_00: I was just gonna say that.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_00: I remember somebody said that once, but it's not.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_00: That doesn't make sense.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_00: So next up we have Private Eyes, the album Private Eyes.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_00: Which features the song Privatize, which is not about stalking.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_00: It's about being observant and protective in a relationship as his narrator closely monitors his partner's actions and emotions.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_02: I like that.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_02: Like I'm I'm not stalking, I'm observing.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just watching planning my attack.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_02: Closely monitoring.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_00: It's supposedly speak to the balance of trust and curiosity in relationships, even highlighting how even the deepest feelings can be accompanied by doubt and intrigue.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_02: You know, there's this poem that says the heart of your lover is a dark forest, which suggests you never know with partners thinking.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_00: I think about that sometimes because like it that is not the case in my relationship.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_02: You think it's not a dark forest?
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_00: No, I think Tucker is pretty on the surface.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_00: Like what he he says what he means, he means what he says.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_02: He doesn't got like a one in a million.
• 34:34
  unknown: I know.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_00: He's not shady at all.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_00: But I think about sometimes, because I have made him promise me he would never murder me.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_00: Well, statistically speaking, he's the most likely person to murder me.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but like you're not it's not like I make him promise me thing not that he's not.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_00: But it's nice to hear.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_00: It feels good.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_00: I make him promise like I'm never gonna get kidnapped.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_00: I make him promise that like we'll die at the exact same time.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_00: When our children are older.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_02: When do you feel like you're out of the window for abduction?
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think ever, because wasn't there didn't we talk about it?
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there was like an old, old lady that got murdered in something.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_00: There was some murdered.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_02: Now that's different.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_02: Abducted.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_02: I'm talking about sex trafficked.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_00: I mean I think I could still still get sex trafficked.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I I don't know.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe not.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe after the second kid, but like any more sex trafficked me.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_02: No, I don't think that do guys get sex trafficked?
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but like probably younger.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_02: Way younger.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_02: Way younger.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, I know, yeah, yeah.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_00: That's I mean, you wouldn't shut the fuck up.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_02: I know.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, like, I'm I have to admit, I'm scared, but I am fired.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_02: A lot of people would think that this is impossible.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I thought my days were over.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_00: I can't go for that was next, to which we talked about Billy Jean was inspired by stolen either or potato potato.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_00: How about Crosby told me the other day that him and his friends made up potato potato?
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, oh my god, you're insufferable.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_00: These children.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_00: They think they know everything.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_00: Their next album, H2O, what a great, what a great album name.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_00: It's great.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_00: Could you be like an H2O H2O y?
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_00: Oh H2O.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 36:26
  unknown: That doesn't work.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_00: H2O.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_00: I don't I don't like Hallraiser.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_00: I like OD, but like I don't think it's fair to completely get Hall out of the mix.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, because that's yeah.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_02: That's just not right.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_02: Oats is like we.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_02: What?
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_02: Holazers?
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_02: That's our fans?
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, but that's Hallraiser.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_02: But there's no Oats in it.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_02: That's the problem.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_00: You need both.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_00: Because either Hallraiser could be anything.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_00: It could be a fan of Arsenio Hall.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_02: I'd be like Hodies.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_00: Hodies.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_00: Hodies.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_00: It's not bad.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_00: You can like raise the roof while you do it.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_02: Off the top of my head is not bad.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_00: That's not bad.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_00: It's not bad.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_00: It's not a word though.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like you need it to be like an actual I don't know.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_00: We'll keep thinking on it.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_00: So H2O, their most successful album, Maneater.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_02: This was huge.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_00: Man Eater is actually about New York City.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_00: It's used the metaphor of a woman.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_00: So it says he encountered a stunningly beautiful woman in a late night New York hangout who possessed an incredibly foul vocabulary.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_00: And then the juxtaposition of like, man, she would chew you up and spit you out.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_00: But they didn't want to write a song that appeared negative or anti-woman.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_00: So they used the concept as a metaphor for Manhattan himself.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_02: So it's like there's this like beautiful woman who like is kind of acting, kind of not crassy action.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_00: Like me.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, all right.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_00: And they're like, well, hey, like what the hell?
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I'm not chewing up and spitting anyone out, but I do have a very foul vocabulary.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_02: Chew you up and spit you out.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_00: Like New York.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_00: They take everything from the men who fall for you.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_00: So not bad.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_00: Then one on one, I it's fine.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_00: I don't really love this song.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_00: Close it down.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's like the song uses basketball metaphors.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_00: It's oh you lose me with that a little bit.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_00: One on one, I want to play that game tonight.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_00: It's fine.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_02: Wait, like this like so it's like that's the most unsexy shit.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_02: If you're like one-on-one, like we're talking about sex, but we're also talking about basketball.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_02: That's no good.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_02: No girl, that's not working for any woman, I don't think.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_00: No, I don't I don't know that he's trying to seduce anyone.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_00: Oh.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's a song like I don't know.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_00: We're starting to like peter out here at this point.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_00: Um by fall of 1983, they're one of the biggest pop music acts in the US, five number one singles, two top tens, and one of the biggest names on MTV.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_00: So naturally it's time to release a cover of Jingle Bell Rock.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_01: Why not?
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_00: Why not?
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_00: I remember this.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_00: I think they did this on Beavis and Butthead.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_00: Remember how they would watch music videos on Beavis and Butthead?
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that I remember.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_02: Do you remember any other videos on Beavis Butthead?
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_02: I remember Funk Dat.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_02: I remember they did give it away, which was kind of obvious.
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I liked Beavis Bhead a lot.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I did too.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_00: We actually named our gerbles Beavis and Butthead.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_00: I've probably said that before.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_00: Next up was Big Bam Boom album in 1984.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_00: It's crazy that like I was being born and Hollow Notes was already like thriving.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_02: I was I was hearing this stuff.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, toddler.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of synthesizer work in this one featuring my favorite Hollow Notes song, Out of Touch.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_00: Really?
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_00: So when I worked, when I became a big Odie, I'm just going with it.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_00: I like it.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_00: And I was working at a bar, and this bar used to play music like all different kinds of music.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_00: They had one of those serious things.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_00: And Out of Touch would come on all the time.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_00: And this was right when I was getting super into Hollow Notes, and I was going to a Hollow Notes concert that night.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_00: And this song would come on like every day.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_00: You know how it always replays the same songs.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_00: And I remember thinking to myself, man, if only Hollow Notes were the artist behind this music, like behind this song.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_00: Like I would wish I could hear it tonight in concert.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_00: Like, not even connecting that it was Hollow Notes or anything.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_00: I just like thought to myself, like, oh, I wish I could hear this tonight in concert.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_00: And then I was walking in my seat, I was a little bit drunk, and I all of a sudden they started like doing dunno.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, oh my God.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, holy shit, I had no idea.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, that's a beautiful song.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_02: It's so great when you're at like a concert, and like there's just something different about hearing a song live, isn't it?
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_02: It's just fucking crazy.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_00: I was just saying that about Yachtli Crew, how it's so much fun to go to the Yachtli Crew shows because all these songs that you would never hear, like Africa.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_00: Like you'd never hear it in concert unless I mean if you're gonna go to a Toyota concert, I don't know.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_00: Not really, likely.
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_00: And it's just so fun to like hear these songs live that you would never there really is.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_00: You know?
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I didn't go.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_00: Did I not say that that was obviously gonna happen?
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_00: Oh shocker, Greg's out here.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know if you're looking for me.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_02: If you saved me a seat or something, but no, nope.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_00: So then, you know, they did some covers.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_00: They kind of like, you know, whatever.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_00: This is this is when it started to get boring on Wikipedia.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_00: All right, well, listen.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_00: They were part of We Are the World.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_00: That was big.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_00: That was big.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_00: We did that.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_00: They did Live Ave.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_02: We a Live Ave was huge.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_00: We should do like Queen's Run on Live Abe.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my god, I love Queen.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_00: I know we gotta do something else besides music, though.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like we're we've been real music heavy.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_00: Actually, I don't know, have we?
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_00: We did a lot of movies.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_02: We can do something that's like wildly different.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_02: Something that's like The Odyssey?
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, the Odyssey, yeah.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_00: Which I don't know if we're gonna be able to do that.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_02: Best like Muppet shows?
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_02: Like.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_00: Best Muppet shows?
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_02: Like the top 10 Jim Hansen.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_02: That could be fun.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, we could just do puppets.
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_00: Let's do puppets next week.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like do you ever heard of a wet puppet?
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_00: No, save it though.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_00: Let's do puppets.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_00: We can do, we can watch like one of the Muppets.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_00: What are other puppets?
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_00: Um Fraggle Rock.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_00: Fraggle Rock?
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe watch an app.
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_02: Watch an app or two?
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_02: That was a great show.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_00: I think Fraggle Rock, honestly.
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my god.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my god, what about Labyrinth?
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_00: Don't they have puppets?
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_02: Didn't we do that?
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_02: We did we you know what's right why I'm reminded of a lot of this?
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_02: Is because the Uncan Valley?
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_02: No, accidentally scary.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, what do we call it?
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_02: Unintentional horror.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_02: Unintentional horror.
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that was a lot of it.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_02: That was a great episode.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_02: I listened to that okay.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_02: Like that's what we're doing.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_00: But we never we didn't cover labyrinth, and I've never actually.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_00: You've never seen it.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_00: It's fucking banana.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_00: Let's do that.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_00: Should we just do labyrinth?
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, no, no.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_00: Let's do let's do puppets.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_00: I think we should do labyrinth.
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_00: Let's do labyrinth.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_00: We'll do that next.
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_00: Because it's creeping.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_02: It's crazy.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_02: Jennifer Connolly.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_00: Perfect.
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_00: And I can watch that with my kids, maybe.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_00: They might be too scared.
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_00: No, they don't get scared about it.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_02: It's as there's two very unsettling Jennifer Collins.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it's also like about a missing baby, which might be hard for me, but I'm gonna put power through.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_02: The baby never really.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_00: Actually, Remy has somebody who's like, oh, that's the baby from Labyrinth, because she has one of the orange and whatever striped onesies.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_02: You remember the baby.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my god, the soundtrack?
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_00: Alright, alright.
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_00: We gotta get it because we gotta finish up.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, my fault.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_00: Anyways, yeah, so that's so anyway, so they did all this, blah blah blah, 1980s.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_00: They kind of just did greatest hits album for the next 15, 20 years.
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_00: For the next 20 years, they did just like greatest hits albums.
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_00: They they actually were nominated for a Grammy for A Grammy.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_00: A Grammy, a Grammy in 2009 for a live version of Sarah Smile.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_00: You know, this is exactly what they should be doing.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_00: What you know, you pet her out, you get all your hits out of the way, and then like be like Dave Matthews.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_00: You just go on tour, you know, make your money.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_00: So then Daryl starts this live from Daryl's house on YouTube in 2007.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_00: He had his friends over to jam.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_02: It's actually great.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_00: In May 2014, he has a home reno show on the DIY network called Daryl's Restoration Overhaul.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_00: Over Haul.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_00: Get it?
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_00: Not bad.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_00: H-A-L-L, not H-A-U-L.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_00: So now we're getting a little wanky.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_00: January 2020, they say they're working on a new album.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know why.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_00: It seems unnecessary.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_00: And then it all kind of fell apart.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_00: Right around the same time, they kind of fell apart.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_00: In 2023, Oates attempts to sell his share of their jointly owned publishing business to a music investment company.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, yeah, he doesn't have the DIY network money, you know?
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_00: He doesn't have that Daryl.
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Hall's like, come on.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_00: Hall's like, dude, like whatever.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_00: So Hall says it's the ultimate betrayal, files a lawsuit to prevent Oates from selling the pair's publishing rights.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_00: Hall gets a restraining order to prevent the sale.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_00: In April 2024, Oates says he's moved on.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_00: They'll never perform together again.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_00: They settle in August 11th, 2025, but Daryl says like that ship has not only set sail, it's sunk and on the bottom of the ocean.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_00: So they're adamant that they are never gonna rekindle their friendship or work relationship.
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_02: And that's where we are now.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_00: And that's where we are now.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_00: I could see it happening.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_00: I could see them coming back together and like, well, I don't know.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_00: They're like in their late 70s at this point.
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_00: I think hall 79.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_00: It's hard to tour.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_00: It's hard to tour.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think they would tour.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_00: I could see them coming out as like a novelty act, you know, like right out the gate.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_00: But they both want to like pursue their own thing.
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, guys, you're in your 70s, like buy a mansion.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_02: I know, chill.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_02: Just it's like what it's hard to like keep your dignity when you try to keep coming back over and over again.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_02: Except you know, like the stones do it.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_00: The stones do it.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_00: I saw the stones in 2005 and they were at fucking They're doing it.
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_02: They do it.
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_02: So good for them.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's like I know.
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_00: Well, that's what you don't want to see.
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_00: Like I saw Fleetwood Mac a couple a couple years ago, maybe five, six years ago, and Christine McVeigh, like, she was hurting and then she died.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_00: And it was like, I don't want to remember her like that.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_00: So I choose not to.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_00: What?
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_00: What was that?
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_00: It's like work until you die.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_00: But I mean, maybe she wanted to go on a tour.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_00: So what do you think?
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_00: Do you think that Hall is the problem?
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_02: I think he's the solution.
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_00: He's the problem and the solution.
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_00: Word on the street, and by that I mean from Reddit, is that Hall is a prick and Oates is a really nice guy.
• 46:17
  SPEAKER_00: And that is how I feel like they do.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_00: So all right.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_02: That's how it goes, right?
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, hey.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_02: And that's how the cookie crumbles.
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_00: And on that note, she's gone.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_00: She's gone.
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_00: Are you saving that?
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_02: The entire time.
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_00: What?
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_02: The see she's gone joke.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_00: No, I didn't.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_00: I just came up with it.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_00: Off the guff, off the guff.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_00: All right, we will see you next week.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah, see you next week.