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Popping Off: JESSE LALLY · Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge

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  Speaker 1: Hi guys, this is Teddy Mellencamp and I'm joined by
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  Speaker 1: my friend Emily Simpson for our new spin off show
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  Speaker 1: Popping Off, where we are digging deep on this season
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  Speaker 1: of Banner Pump Rules. Hi guys, welcome to another episode
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  Speaker 1: of Popping Off with myself Teddy Mellencamp. Emily Simpson has
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  Speaker 1: severe fomo right now because she is on vacation with
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  Speaker 1: her family and one of our favorite douche lords to
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  Speaker 1: speak about is with us in studio right now. We've
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  Speaker 1: got Jesse Lally and he's actually trying to pick a
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  Speaker 1: fight with me already.
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  Speaker 2: I know. Well, you went way down into like the
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  Speaker 2: hidden requests, sliding into the DMA, and then I follow
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  Speaker 2: you and you don't follow me back.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'm not going to follow you back until I
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  Speaker 3: see if you do a good interview.
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  Speaker 2: Oh okay, because here's this thing. You tagged me twice
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  Speaker 2: today on stories and I had to repost them.
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  Speaker 3: Well you didn't have to repost them.
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  Speaker 2: I mean I thought I would that we could have
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  Speaker 2: thought about that if I didn't.
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  Speaker 1: So, oh, I never am going to make you repost.
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  Speaker 1: I'm actually just how many fallo or did you get
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  Speaker 1: from me? Tagging you today.
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  Speaker 2: I haven't checked. I asked my social media manager over
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  Speaker 2: there if he can, Ben, how are we doing? Tim?
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  Speaker 2: But it's okay, is it Tim? Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Shit on the message.
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  Speaker 2: No, that's my manager. It's okay. You're catching up. It's okay,
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  Speaker 2: it's your first time.
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  Speaker 3: I guess you know what I didn't. You know, I don't.
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  Speaker 3: I don't book the interviews. But I'm happy that you're here.
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  Speaker 2: I thought you did because you slid into my d
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  Speaker 2: MS and said you wanted me on here.
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  Speaker 3: I hate to be the bear of bad news. It
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  Speaker 3: was actually Matt, that's.
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  Speaker 2: Amazing. So that's my stocker.
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  Speaker 3: Then that's really into you.
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  Speaker 1: He he found your trim spall photos and was like,
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  Speaker 1: look how hot Jesse was.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how you found that like test shoot
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  Speaker 2: picture that you posted that.
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  Speaker 1: Wasn't the test shoot photo because you had a middle
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  Speaker 1: name you used to use, so it was a little tricky.
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  Speaker 3: Finding that one.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't used to use it. It's my actual middle
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  Speaker 2: name that's on my IDs.
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  Speaker 3: Oh so what is it? Jesse?
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  Speaker 2: Eric? And see close close?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so before we get into anything about the valley,
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  Speaker 1: you were in a trim spa ad.
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  Speaker 2: I was Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Did you hook up with her.
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  Speaker 2: For a year or two? Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: What?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Hold on, did we know this?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean the other one, you and
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  Speaker 2: matter Stocking me you should know.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my, this is amazing. Okay, for a year or two.
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  Speaker 3: When you say hooking up, does that.
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  Speaker 2: Mean I would come to LA and she'd be in
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  Speaker 2: New York every once in a while. But the story
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  Speaker 2: was interesting. We were shooting in Miami.
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  Speaker 3: What year it was this two thousand and two maybe two?
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  Speaker 3: Is this before the Anna Nicole Show?
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  Speaker 2: It was after? It was when she lost all the
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  Speaker 2: way for trimp She was doing trim Spa and lost
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  Speaker 2: all the weight and it was a pretty It was
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  Speaker 2: a pretty big campaign.
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  Speaker 3: So she was already making bad decisions. You've been one
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  Speaker 3: of them.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean I might have been the
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  Speaker 2: light sort of guiding her.
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  Speaker 3: Were you during Howard Stern? Wasn't that the lawyer's name?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? I met Howard there where. I flew to Miami
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  Speaker 2: to do the shoot and the first time I met her.
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  Speaker 2: The first layout was an old James Dean Marilyn Monroe
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  Speaker 2: photo where Marilyn's naked on a mattress and James Dean
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  Speaker 2: has like jeans and no shirt on in front of her,
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  Speaker 2: and I literally walked over with no shirt on, sat down.
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  Speaker 2: She's like, oh, I'm in a nicole and I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: nice to meet you. And then then we moved out
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  Speaker 2: to the beach and I grabbed her and I pulled
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  Speaker 2: her down into the water and we were shooting with
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  Speaker 2: Antoine Veraglass, famous fashion photographer, and everybody was so pissed
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  Speaker 2: because she was you know, her hair was wet, or eyelashes,
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  Speaker 2: all that stuff, and it ended up being what they
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  Speaker 2: ended up using.
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  Speaker 1: So you are pretty much the reason behind how great
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  Speaker 1: those trim sauce photos.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I had a little bit to do with it,
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  Speaker 2: but yeah, and now we're walking back. It's freezing cold
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  Speaker 2: in Miami at nighttime, and we're walking back to the
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  Speaker 2: set and she's like, oh my god, we're all like
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  Speaker 2: wrapped in towels and she's like, oh my god, I
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  Speaker 2: hope I don't get sick. And I'm like, I have
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  Speaker 2: a ton of supplements and vitamins and stuff in my room.
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  Speaker 2: And I was literally in my room that night.
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  Speaker 1: If that's a line that's your go to, you know what,
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  Speaker 1: I have a ton of supplements about.
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  Speaker 2: I wish I was still taking them because at this
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  Speaker 2: point I'm just aging rapidly and going gray as as
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  Speaker 2: quick as possible. But yeah, she called me that I
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  Speaker 2: was having a bottle of wine in the room and
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  Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, I can come up to the room.
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  Speaker 2: And it was funny. We did a couple's massage and
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  Speaker 2: she was like, before the two massage therapists showed up,
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  Speaker 2: she was like, let's let's kind of with them a
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  Speaker 2: little bit. So we were like going back and forth,
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  Speaker 2: making jokes, talking like you know, trying to see if
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  Speaker 2: something would come out. And this is way before social media,
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  Speaker 2: and it was just fun. We just had that like relationship.
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  Speaker 2: We were just kind of like two little kids messing
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  Speaker 2: with each other.
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  Speaker 1: Well, this is a juicy nugget that I wasn't ready
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  Speaker 1: to get, but I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 3: I loved Anna Nicole, loved the Antonicole show.
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  Speaker 2: I was so sweet. She actually that night, or the
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  Speaker 2: massage night, we took a ton of like behind the
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  Speaker 2: scenes photos and she had her I don't I don't
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  Speaker 2: have them. She had her assistant go through, but I
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  Speaker 2: will tell you one of the photos that we took,
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  Speaker 2: my brother had just come back from Iraq or he
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  Speaker 2: was coming back in the next week his first tour
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  Speaker 2: in Iraq, and she had her assistant go in the
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  Speaker 2: morning and print out a huge picture of the two
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  Speaker 2: of us and she signed it for my brother like
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  Speaker 2: welcome home.
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  Speaker 3: Oh that's nice. Yeah, well this is this is a
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  Speaker 3: good story.
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  Speaker 1: But this also tells me that both you and Michelle
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  Speaker 1: have a history of taking pictures for celebrities.
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  Speaker 2: I think that was actually the first and only celebrity
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  Speaker 2: I have a photo with.
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  Speaker 1: Well, is it a common practice in real estate to
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  Speaker 1: send photos of yourself?
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  Speaker 3: No, you know, you guys made that seem like that's
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  Speaker 3: the norm.
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  Speaker 1: And I got to tell you if my husband was
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  Speaker 1: going through my phone and I was sending photos of myself.
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  Speaker 2: To anyone, right, I know. I listened to you. I
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  Speaker 2: listened to the last podcast where we talked about you
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  Speaker 2: guys talked about sending photos and being part of real estate. No,
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  Speaker 2: it's not part of real estate. What I was saying
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  Speaker 2: was texting with guys is part of the business. But
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  Speaker 2: this sexy photo thing. At the time, I was like,
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  Speaker 2: this can't be true. Like I you know, I hadn't
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  Speaker 2: heard anything like that. So but you know, as you
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  Speaker 2: went on, and as the summer went on, it was like, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: another story that I have to you know, get behind
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  Speaker 2: Michelle and another fight I have to be And I
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  Speaker 2: was like got to the point where I was just
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  Speaker 2: a little tired of like this round about gossip because
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  Speaker 2: it's not really my style. It's like, Okay, if I
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  Speaker 2: have a problem with somebody, I go straight to the source,
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  Speaker 2: and it's like, okay, well let's get Jack's up there,
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  Speaker 2: Let's get Janet up there, and let's have a conversation.
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  Speaker 1: Were you blindsided in that moment? Are you already had
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  Speaker 1: an idea what was happening?
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  Speaker 2: No, you know, blindsided by what it actually happening, or
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  Speaker 2: blinds or the fact.
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  Speaker 1: That there was these text messages, the fact that you
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  Speaker 1: were further into almost separating than you thought or was
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  Speaker 1: in my guess watching the show, I felt like you
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  Speaker 1: guys were already in a place that you were not
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  Speaker 1: going to make it when the first show first started.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm not saying this in a judgment away the
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  Speaker 1: worst part I was ever in my marriage was my
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  Speaker 1: first season on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.
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  Speaker 3: That was our hardest time.
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  Speaker 1: We worked through it, but that was our hardest time,
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  Speaker 1: and I just remember that feeling of like that tension
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  Speaker 1: where it didn't feel authentic or natural being together because
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  Speaker 1: we both wanted to the other one to come off
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  Speaker 1: a certain way.
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  Speaker 2: So we had just in March moved into the new.
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  Speaker 3: House, the one that's the Chateau Marmont.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so we had just moved into that house, and yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we still have our issues. But I didn't think until
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  Speaker 2: I watched the show. I was like, Wow, it was
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  Speaker 2: really that bad. Like I did not see it at all.
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  Speaker 2: We had kind of swept everything under the rug. And
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  Speaker 2: then you know the reason why it feels very authentic
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  Speaker 2: is I didn't know I could say no to anything.
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  Speaker 2: So I had mentioned to Michelle. I got introduced to
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  Speaker 2: Scott the life coach, and I had mentioned it to Michelle.
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  Speaker 2: Michelle mentioned it Brittany, and then all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 2: Jackson and I are by the pool and he's like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: you're doing therapy. And then I get a call, Hey,
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  Speaker 2: do you guys want to do you know, a session
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  Speaker 2: on Cameron. I'm like, I haven't talked to the guy yet,
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  Speaker 2: and so we just did our first that was our
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  Speaker 2: first session. We had one call with him. Before and
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  Speaker 2: then that was our first session.
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  Speaker 3: Did you ever have a second session?
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  Speaker 2: We did? I still work with him today, you do, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: But it was there was a lot of dust under
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  Speaker 2: the rug and the show and and you know, working
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  Speaker 2: with Scott just kind of brought all that up. And
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  Speaker 2: when I watched it back and I see scenes, you know,
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  Speaker 2: with Brittany and Michelle and Big Bear and her saying
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  Speaker 2: that she like wasn't attracted to me anymore, I didn't
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  Speaker 2: see it. Like I didn't. I didn't feel it, and
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  Speaker 2: I was I actually felt a little blindside in October
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  Speaker 2: when she said she was leaving.
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  Speaker 3: Right so around the same time as the Jackson Britney thing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I run the same Okay, Yeah, so yeah, it was,
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  Speaker 2: it was and I still fought. And then what a
• 8:48
  Speaker 2: lot of people don't know is, you know, we knew,
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  Speaker 2: we knew sort of the arc of what had happened
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  Speaker 2: all summer, and we were afraid, Like I didn't tell anybody.
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  Speaker 2: Michelle lived in the house until February fifteenth, so we
• 9:03
  Speaker 2: were separated what six months, five six months, and we
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  Speaker 2: were still living together. And you know, I think when
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  Speaker 2: you have a situation where you separate, I think it's
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  Speaker 2: important to get that space. And we were I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I think she slept in my bed for the first
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  Speaker 2: week or two after we separated, and you know, I
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  Speaker 2: wasn't going out. She started to go out more and
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  Speaker 2: more and I would wait up until, you know, one, two,
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  Speaker 2: three in the morning until she got home, and it
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  Speaker 2: just it was very it's very difficult, it's very toxic,
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  Speaker 2: and you know it was I was still fighting, and
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  Speaker 2: I think one of the reasons, you know, looking back
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  Speaker 2: on it, one of the reasons why I was like, no,
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  Speaker 2: we can't, you know, we can't tell anybody, we can't
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  Speaker 2: move out, is because I was still fighting. And then finally,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I'll never forget New Year's Eve. I was
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  Speaker 2: at Jack's bar and he's like, I got to talk
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  Speaker 2: to you about something. And the next morning I called
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  Speaker 2: him and I'm like, what did you need to talk to
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  Speaker 2: me about? And he brought up Michelle's boyfriend. And that's
• 9:59
  Speaker 2: when I was just like, enough is enough, Like for
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  Speaker 2: mental health, I can't deal with this anymore. I call
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  Speaker 2: them back and I go listen, for the sake of
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  Speaker 2: your show, here's my situation. We've kept this a secret
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  Speaker 2: now for you know, four months, Like when I was
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  Speaker 2: crying in your backyard at Thanksgiving. It wasn't because I
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  Speaker 2: was drunk. It's because I was, like, you know, losing it.
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  Speaker 2: And then finally January first is when we told everybody.
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  Speaker 3: So I have a question.
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  Speaker 1: I when I look back at any friends that I've had,
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  Speaker 1: or any relationships that I've seen that have fully gone south,
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  Speaker 1: or you see a woman that gets to the point
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  Speaker 1: where they really look like they're done most of the time,
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  Speaker 1: and you can correct me if I'm wrong, it's because
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  Speaker 1: they have been wronged right by their significant other. Is
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  Speaker 1: there something that you have done prior to the show
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  Speaker 1: that got her to that place in your opinion, if
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  Speaker 1: you're going to take account of belly.
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  Speaker 2: No, there was nothing, you know it was It was
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  Speaker 2: April twenty twenty when we had Isabella. I mean we
• 11:10
  Speaker 2: had you know, indoor flip flops and outdoor flip flops
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  Speaker 2: because of COVID, you know what the hell was going on.
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  Speaker 2: And that first like six or eight months, I mean
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  Speaker 2: we had no help. We had no grandma or grandpa,
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  Speaker 2: we had nobody was coming to visit. You know, I thought,
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  Speaker 2: I have a kid, and all of a sudden, people
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  Speaker 2: are supposed to bring you like casse roles or whatever,
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  Speaker 2: and it doesn't happen.
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  Speaker 1: It can be very lonely and you feel like you're
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  Speaker 1: supposed to have all the answers and sometimes you don't.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'll tell you like I spent you know,
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  Speaker 2: six months with Michelle and the baby, and then eventually
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  Speaker 2: things opened up and it was like, Okay, I have
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  Speaker 2: to go to like she can't go out with the
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  Speaker 2: baby and she's breastfeeding. We don't know what's going on.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm going shopping and you know, I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: the office and I'm doing all these things. And you know,
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  Speaker 2: I started doing my Friday lunches again. And I think
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  Speaker 2: she with no help and no soor like I wasn't
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  Speaker 2: really being of service to the family. I was kind
• 12:04
  Speaker 2: of be a being of service to work in business
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  Speaker 2: and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 3: Could you say I was being selfish?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if I was being selfish, because you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's hard to hear things where she goes with the
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  Speaker 2: girls and says, oh, well, Jesse didn't do anything for
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  Speaker 2: two years, and my mother's like, I have the videos
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  Speaker 2: and the photos. You were with her the entire time.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't know if it was a Michelle thing
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  Speaker 2: or if it was just like it was. It was
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  Speaker 2: tough back then, you know, and we don't have family nearby,
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  Speaker 2: so it's like, you know, I think it was more
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  Speaker 2: it wasn't selfishness. It was more, you know, I abandoned
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  Speaker 2: them in certain certain times when they needed me.
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  Speaker 1: You maybe weren't as vulnerable then until you realized that
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  Speaker 1: things were going south.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, I know people have heard this,
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  Speaker 2: but she did try to leave in October of twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty two, and we had a whole conversation about it.
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  Speaker 2: And that's why I thought things were getting better, because
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  Speaker 2: you know, we moved into the house in March of
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  Speaker 2: twenty three.
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  Speaker 3: What made her come back?
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  Speaker 2: You know, she just gave me a couple of things
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  Speaker 2: that bothered her and I said I would work on it.
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  Speaker 2: You know. One of those things is you know, being
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  Speaker 2: present and stuff like that at home. And you know,
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  Speaker 2: I've said this in multiple interviews. The hardest thing and
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  Speaker 2: I this is the advice I give to every parent.
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  Speaker 2: Have the conversation about how you're gonna parent before you
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  Speaker 2: have a child. Because I was like East Coast, impatient, aggressive,
• 13:34
  Speaker 2: like I didn't realize you're not supposed to yell at
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  Speaker 2: a one and a half year old, like, don't do that.
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  Speaker 2: It's just part of the process. And then Michelle was
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  Speaker 2: on the opposite end of the spectrum. She was very
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  Speaker 2: passive and like, you know, she her parenting was like
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  Speaker 2: what she read on Instagram from psychiatrists, you know. And
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  Speaker 2: we worked with a behavioral therapist for Isabella to try
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  Speaker 2: to get us somewhere in the middle. So it was like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, being a little bit more patient, being a
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  Speaker 2: little bit more present, you know, things like that is
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  Speaker 2: sort of what she wanted me to work on, and
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  Speaker 2: she said she would stay if I did well.
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  Speaker 1: Because I kind of I watched the finale and the
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  Speaker 1: juxtaposition between the way that you spoke with Michelle and
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  Speaker 1: then the way that we saw Jackson Britney speak.
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  Speaker 3: Kind of for the.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I kind of aligned you two together, you
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  Speaker 1: and Jackson. I was like, you know what, they're they're
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  Speaker 1: the problem. Here we are.
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  Speaker 3: And then in that moment, number.
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  Speaker 2: One and number two guy in the group.
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  Speaker 3: Is that definitely you're gonna need a sweatshirt.
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  Speaker 1: But I think as watching this, I saw a kindness
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  Speaker 1: and a softness when it came to you speaking to Michelle,
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  Speaker 1: and I saw the complete opposite with Jack's, like, you
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  Speaker 1: see almost like there was anger, and it looked to
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  Speaker 1: me like you were being you were opening up, and
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  Speaker 1: you were okay with the show capturing what was actually
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  Speaker 1: happening in your life and what was happening Jackson Brittany
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  Speaker 1: was he wanted to keep pretending. Yeah, would you say
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  Speaker 1: that that's an accurate prossessment?
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  Speaker 2: You know it's thank you. By the way, it's amazing.
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  Speaker 2: I thought we were just going to talk shit about people,
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: but apparently we're getting heart to heart. So that's super sweet.
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: We should remove these pillows and.
• 15:15
  Speaker 3: Get closer to calm down. No.
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting because you see me say to
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: Jacks multiple times, like on the boat in Big Bear,
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: I said, I'm probably the best person to talk to
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: about this, and everybody kind of made it a joke,
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: like why would we talk to you your marriage is?
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: Your marriage is terrible? And you know that's the exact
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: reason why I said that. And since then, you know,
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: Jax has reached out quite a bit for advice, and
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: I know exactly sort of what he was going through,
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: especially in that moment when cameras came back up, like
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: having somebody leave you, because that's what happened to me.
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: She left me. That's why she got a new place
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: and she got new furniture.
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: But still, even if I have to say, even if
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: I were to leave Edwin, I don't know that he
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: would me in a situation. And granted I may we
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: have completely separate finances. I do well on my own,
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: I mean he does better than me, but like we
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: both are financially stable and do well.
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: Honored. You guys need to buy a new house or
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: I mean, we will if I end up with Austin Butler,
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: like I talked to out on my last spot. No,
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: but uh, I don't know how I feel about a
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: man allowing a woman to leave with their child and
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: kind of finn.
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: For themselves their situation. I don't you know, that's that's
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: their personal situation to deal with. How that conversation went,
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: I can only tell you my conversation with Michelle Again,
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: like I said, I was still fighting, you know, even
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: though she was going out, and even though the rumors,
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: you know, once we separated and once a few people
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: started to know about it, then it was like, you know,
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: more rumors and more rumors and more gossip, and I
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: just said to her, you're the one that's leaving, like
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: I want to keep the house. I mean the process
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: of buying the house. I was like, if you want
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: to leave, then go. And we had that same conversation
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: that we're having now, like you should, you should move out,
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, no, I'm not leaving, like I'm going
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: to keep. You know, there was one conversation where we
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: were both going to get rid of the house and
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: both get separate places, but I wanted some stability for Isabella.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: It was so hard for her. We had to literally,
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: about two weeks after we moved out, we had and
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: we talked to our behavioral therapist. We had to go
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: back to our old townhouse so she could say goodbye,
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: because every day it was like I missed the old house.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: I missed the old house, and I didn't want to
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: go through that again with her.
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: Why did you guys have to have the breakup conversation
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: with Isabella in the kitchen.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: I think it was it was a very last minute,
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: you know. I didn't want I really didn't want to
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: have Michelle back at the house, and I really fought
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: it and fought it and fought it, and I forget
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: what the situation was.
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: Where because they they could.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: I get that sometimes there's filming and your kids are
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: there and you got to just go with the But
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: there was that edit where you guys are talking and
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: they panned to her and I think she wants barbecue sauce,
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: and it's to make it very clear that you guys
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: are doing it with her there, and that's to like
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: pull it. And I hate to bring kids into it,
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: but that's it was meant to pull it as.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know. The saddest part was, like I said,
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: you know, those six months of just toxic energy in
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: the house, and you know, Isabella got to the point
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: where me and Michelle could be talking about like what
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: time I'm playing golf tomorrow and she would come in
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: and say, guys, stop fighting. We're like, we're not fighting,
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: We're not. But it was just, you know, it just
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: got to the point where I was like, not in
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: front of the baby. Not in front of the baby.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: And you know that particular moment we there were specific
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: things we want to talk about that was supposed to
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: be calm, but you can see like we just have
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: this like there's just this like anger with Michelle.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: And there still is, apparently because she was on Janna
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: Kramer's podcast this morning. I don't know when it's gonna air,
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: but I wasn't allowed to have you guys both on separately,
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: so we chose you enough security for that.
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: Well.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: I think if she listens to the pod, she'd probably
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: be annoyed at me because I call her AI.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: But I do really like her.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: I just think that sometimes it's when filming, but she says,
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: Michelle says, you guys are co parenting the best they can,
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: but you guys still fight all the all the time
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: because you have such different parenting styles. She's met your
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: girlfriend once at Isabella's fourth birthday. You invited her over
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: to do the cake, and she is still adamant. She
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: did not send any sexy photos. Is all of this accurate?
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: Yes, we are still fighting. We're still trying to figure
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: it out. I mean it's still like, I mean, it's difficult,
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: you know, it's I there was there was one conversation
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: that we had where we were I was talking about
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: trying to get us back to the middle, and I
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: think it was the scene out when I was out
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: back and I was crying, you know, in the.
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: Final after the ayahuasca.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, this.
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: That was a rough go with cap.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: You know, I lost that damn Vinie at Chateau and
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: it's not in the Lost and Found. I checked everywhere.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: Maybe it's in Michael Bay's room.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: I can confirm it was not Michael Bay. Fine, I
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: actually don't think it was a celebrity. And if you
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: watch her say it was a celebrity, it feels very
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: like it was.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Everything feels very I'm sorry. There's the only time. And
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: this is where I hope, now that I know that
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: you guys are all coming back for next season, I
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: hope that we see the Michelle that got upset at
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: that dinner table and showed who she really was and
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: that gumption because whenever you see somebody self producing, and
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: I've done it myself, but like seeing that, like trying
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: to come off a certain way, it comes off robotic.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: But in that moment, you felt the fire, you felt
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: the life. And yeah, I mean she was fighting for
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: you know, her marriage at that point, so she had
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: a reason to get upset.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you though, I was very proud of her
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: because we had uh just about six or eight months
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: before cameras went up, we had done a YouTube video
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: with Ryan Surhan for a fifty eight million dollar listing
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: that we had, and she was very uncomfortable. She's like,
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: I'll introduce the property address and I'll say the price,
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: but you give the tour because she just had never
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: been in front of the camera before, so she didn't
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: get it. And even from day one, I mean we
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: started a little earlier because we were supposed to go
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: to Europe for a month.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Kim, before we even get into that, can
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: you tell us how you got how the valley really started?
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: Like is you called it Jacks's show earlier? So I
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: saw a picture or video of you at Jackson Brittany's wedding.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: I know that you guys modeled together back in the day. Whatever.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: I just found the picture of you and Anna Nicole
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: by the way, so I've got well, your tongue is
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: stabbing at her mouth.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: Like this tongue ring.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, oh no, I didn't notice that it was a
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: tongue ring. Actually I'm in a bad way now, but okay,
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: all right, so you with your tongue ring, but wasn't
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: ready for that one you meet Jack's you hang out
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: your friends, are you? Are you friends with Janet?
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Are you?
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: Who's really coming into this group knowing each other?
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: So Jackson and I met. We had the same agent
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: in New York. He needed a place to stay, so
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: you had me and my friend from from my hometown
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: was also a model with like two matching pottery barn
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: beds in the one bedroom, fifth floor walk up. Jack
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: slept in the living room. And yeah, since two thousand
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: and two, two thousand and three, and we reconnected probably god,
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: I think like a couple of months before my wedding
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: in twenty eighteen, you know, he went to Miami, I
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: bounced around, I went to La and we reconnected. I
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: invited Jackson Brittany last minute to our wedding. They didn't go.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: I think they were shooting. And after that it was like,
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: you know, became friends with Tom Schwartz and and you
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: know Tom, and did you ever.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: Film on vander Pumper Rules? Even if you weren't shown?
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Were you ever the first one I did? I don't
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: know if you remember. It was like a seventies party
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: at a roller skating rink. Yeah, yeah, me and Michelle
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: and I went to that. I think it was the
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: first time Jackson met Michelle and I've been to a
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: butt that whole year of twenty eighteen. I was any
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: cast event. Michelle and I were there.
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Jax gets the boot, he's off banner pump rules,
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: the idea of the valley starts to come around are
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: the first.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: He started playing on my roller hockey team.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: Roller hockey. Okay, hot hockey, but on roller blades.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: Rollerblades, that's so hot. Yeah, did you not watch the show?
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: I've blocked it out.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've locked it out.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: Hold on, what's what's I always call him Janet's husband?
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: What's his name?
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: Jason?
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: Jason?
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Poor Jason.
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: Jason is not great at that sport.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: No, he's not.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: I think Jax tried to block it out too because
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: it was not great.
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: Okay, so roller what do we call it again?
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: Roller hockey? Yeah, Jackson and his manager, Ryan is a
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: producer in the show. They reached out to me and
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: they asked if Michelle and I would be interested in
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: doing something. It sort of evolved from what it was
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: originally gonna be. And I said yeah, And I said, oh,
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: this is a great opportunity. Like we sell real estate,
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: we spend thousands of dollars on these stupid flyers that
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: we send out and then like your nanny throws it
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: in the trash before you ever see it. I'm like,
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: this is gonna be an opportunity. We can be like
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: the luxury real estate, you know, high end wine drinking,
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: high end travel. Like we're gonna be spending three weeks
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: in Europe or four week, four weeks in Europe, but
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: three weeks of shooting can send back videos.
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: Three weeks of shooting, I'm so sure.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: So I was like, it's gonna be great. And uh yeah,
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: that box blew up in about two minutes in front
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: of the front of the camera, okay. And then so
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: that's the story. In terms of friends, I knew all
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: of them. Zach was always around, obviously, is.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: Zach When they say the entire cast is coming back,
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: does that include Zach?
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: I don't need. You probably know more than me. I
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: don't know when cameras go up except for in the summer.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: Is Zach really upset about these things because of friendship
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: or is he just upset for not having camera time
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: because that really it's rubbing me the wrong way, is it?
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah? I don't know, you know, you have to answer, like, do.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: You honestly Zach was Zach was just the friend that
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: was always around always.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: People love to be that called.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: That he was. He was just no, no, no, I never
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: really had like a strong relationship. He was just always
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: around at every party. But I wouldn't go up and
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: be like, hey, how are you? You know what I mean?
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: I love a friend that's just always It's like he's
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: like gum on your shoe.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: It's like not the worst thing. I mean, it's better
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: than dog shit.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: Well, to be.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: Honest, though, Zach would walk into Jackson Britt's house and
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: be line straight for Brittany and not say hi to
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: me either. So like we didn't really have a relationship
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: other than he was always around.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: Okay in hindsight, so as we're I'm going to break
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: down each person.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Okay, Kristin, Kristin.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Now that you've watched the entire sea and do you
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: have any regrets when it comes to how hard you
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: pushed to have Kristin out.
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: Of the group something that really bothers me. I'm just
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: gonna be honest. You're not You're not the production team,
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: you're not the casting group. You don't get to choose
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: who comes and does what because.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: I had I was I making that choice?
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: Were you said it like if she goes, I'm not going, No,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: never do that, just.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: Go well that's an ultimatum, that's not casting.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: No, but you would have gone, Let's be clear if
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Kristin would have gone to Big Bear.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: So what have you? No? No, no, I'll tell you what.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: It comes down to the fact that you know, it
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: just bothered me because Kristen was you know, I've said
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: it before. Kristin and britt were the only two people
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: at our baby shower, you know of that group, and
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: I know Kristin going back to like I remember hanging
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: out with Jackson, hanging after I was at sir when
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: they were counting tips and stuff like that, and she
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: was always around with the whole group. I mean, I
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: go back that far, and it was just disappointing, Like
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: I don't I have this sort of like Irish Boston
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: loyalty to friends and family, where like I'm gonna step
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: in front of the bullet and if somebody comes after
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: my family, like she came after Michelle whatever Michelle and
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: I is really so you.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: Think Kristen came after Michelle? It was not Janet.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's hard.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: I think Janet is very smart. I think she's very
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: good at what she does. I think she is likable,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: but she see with a smile on her face. And
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: on that same note, when you're causing drama and then
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: and then using your pregnancy as do you think she
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: used her pregnancy as a shield.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: I don't think she used it. I think we're all
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: super sensitive to it, for sure.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: But I suffer Zach.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, I don't even know what that
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: situation is because again I don't have that like relationship
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: with Zach to be like, oh, what's like, we're not
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: going making pot what is it called pottery?
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: Would you have cried if you didn't get invited to
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: Big Bear?
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: Would I have cried?
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: I mean I have really hard time in the altitude.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: I probably would have been fine, you know what I mean.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: I mean I proposed I mean, and.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: Was that Big Bear? Because Tamra said that it was
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: not actually Big Bear.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: I mean it was only like forty minutes outside. There
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: was a lake across the street. I mean, it wasn't
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: the lake lake. And then what I proposed, Napa, I said,
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: I could completely set it up. I proposed, you know,
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: Jesse sort of things.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: Okay, Jess, you did bring a suitcase of alcohol, which
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: I appreciated because there's never you are right when people
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: say they have everything, They never have everything.
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: Okay, so back to Janet that wait, hold on, we
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: haven't even got through Kristin.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so let me let me close the chapter
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: on Kristin. Kristin actually reached out to me recently.
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: And I'm sweating, but we're both sweating. It's so hot
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: in here. Every time I'll be in a full sweat.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: And I ran three miles this morning to kind of
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: get that like Opus one that I had last night
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: out of my system. Also three Scotches.
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: I love him. We'd name drop Opus one. It's my favorite.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: I mean, you were stalking me on Instagram, so you
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: would know because I posted it.
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: Oh no, I don't follow you, so I see what
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: you posted. You did not follow him?
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: Yes, shot it and posted and tagged Michelle.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: Okay, So, Kristen, do you feel bad?
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: I do, because Kristen actually reached out to me the weekend.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: I was at Watch What Happens Live and she sent me.
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: That you were boring and watch what happens to live.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, thank you, thank you. I appreciate that. Okay,
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: I thought it was charming, but sorry, So yeah, she
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: reached out to me. She sent me a very sweet message,
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: and I thanked her for it, and and uh yeah,
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: I think moving forward, knowing what we all know now,
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: I think Kristin and I will have a lot better
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: relationship for sure.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: Because Kristen's needed for the show. I think she is.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: I don't need to see her in the apartment getting pedicures.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: I need to see her at Big Bear right causing shit.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. The thing the problem I had with
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: Kristin was like after the gallow when we were outside,
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: you know, one of the things I kept saying to
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: her was I'm sorry, but doesn't it doesn't work, you know.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: And my biggest, my biggest problem was Kristin will do
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: this sort of like sort of like love I call
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: it like the love bomb, and to get in people's
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: good graces and then the gossip and then the victim
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: and then back to the like the love It's like
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: it's like she says something about Michelle and then she
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: sends Michelle a text message the next day like I love.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: You because that's that's the nature of somebody who is
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: going to create good television. Sometimes they're gonna do shit,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: they're gonna say it wrong. Like here's my one gripe
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: about Kristin, and I've told this to her when she
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: delivers them, for it's not always correct. It's like one
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: thing off from being accurate information. But I do think
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: she's constantly moving storyline. She's doing what she needs to do,
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: and I enjoy watching her.
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: So I had an aversion to all of you deciding
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: to push her out.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but would you have enjoyed would you have enjoyed
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: the season as much? If there wasn't the me Kristen
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: Michelle storyline? Every week it was a different thing. You know,
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: it was the racist Republican thing, and then it was that.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: Party didn't like that, party didn't like it all. But
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: you think Janet's hands are completely clean in that.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: I don't know any of it. All I know is
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: that I got home that night and Michelle was like,
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: You'll never believe what happened, Like, where does that even
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: come from?
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: So alcoholic beverages?
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I you know, I don't know it. But
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: then it was like, okay, let's double down. You know
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: that that got cleared up, and everybody's screen at the
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: table at my dinner, and you know, Kristen's saying it
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: was Zach and Janet's saying it was and back and
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: forth and back and forth. Whoever's to blame. I mean,
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: it is what it is. But it's the carrying on
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: the story that's the problem, you know. Like I said,
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: I go right to the source if there's an issue.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: But you're skirting around my questions about Janet.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: Okay, do I think Janet was involved? Yes? I don't
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: actually know. Even watching it back, I I don't know.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: I don't. I didn't.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: She had pink crocs there videoing at the T shirt
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: thing like, and then Jack's coming in to tell them
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: they weren't invite it.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: Like, if you're going to do shit, then you got
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: to go in and do it yourself.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah I would. I would love to, you know, I
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: never got that opportunity to sit down with Janet. I
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: don't think one time and actually have a conversation with
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: her like what was actually going on. But she's strategic
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: and she knows what she's doing.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: That's what I would appreciate you doing for next year.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: I have a couple people like I think. I think
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: next season it'll be great, you know, sort of to
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: see the arc of where I talked to Jack's on
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: the boat, and I talked to Jack's at my wine lunch,
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: and then see where we're at now, you know what
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: I mean. I'd like to spend a lot of time
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: with Jackson next.
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: What's going on with Jackson?
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: That like Instagram girl with the ginormous boobs that like,
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: is this a true story? That she sent the limo
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: and they went to the thing but then the dad
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: paid for it?
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: Is any of this true?
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't get involved in like, like
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: I actually met the dad. Jackson and I.
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: Played in a Okay, so there is a dad.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: I know the dad. Yeah, we played in a like
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: celebrity charity golf tournament and we met the dad. I've
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: never met her. I don't know her at all. I
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: don't know how the whole thing happened. And you know,
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: but it is I don't know any of the story
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: because I stay out of like all of it.
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: You don't seem like the person that stays out.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: Of all of them. You know what, I'll tell you
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: how much I stay out of it. Last time I
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: read a comment it was a decision that I made
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: Wednesday night before the press premiere. Was the last time
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: I went on read it. Read an Instagram comment.
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: You read Matt's DM three weeks ago.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: I know the DMS. I the DMS I read. I'll
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: tell you why, because there's a lot of people, uh,
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: you know, I don't respond to the like, hey you're hot,
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: Hey this, hey that. If you.
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: I don't respond and like you're the hot now.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: I don't know if people are inappropriate, I don't respond,
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: But I love the people that are, like I wanted
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: to get in real I want to get in real estate.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: What's your advice? Or a lot of people are you know,
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: I think my wife and I are in the same situation.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: What what is your advice? And then you know people
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: that reach out and they just say cool things. They
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: want to talk about hockey, they want to talk about
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: roller hockey. You mean, yeah, hockey, roller hockey, ones on ice,
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: ones on you know, like paved or smooth concrete. I'll
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: take you out skating.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: Can we get into Jackson Brittany a little bit more? Okay,
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: was there ever a moment that you watched your number
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: one friend in the group maybe push it too far
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: when it came to Brittany, like he's constantly chugging booze,
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: parting it up. But yet even in Big Bear, like
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: the day that she's sick, he's kind of going after
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: her doing all. It really kind of made me feel
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: uncomfortable to watch.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, I was washing dishes and said to him, like,
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: it wasn't really the moment, you know, it's a very
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: personal thing. And again, I was going through struggles. It
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: was like we were on a they were on like
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: an eight month lag between where you know, where they
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: are and where Michelle and I were, And it's just
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: not when you're going through that, it's not a public form,
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: you know. And I don't know if he was going
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: through it and he wanted, you know, he reacted that
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: way to Brittany to get support from the rest of
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: the group, you know, so they could see what was happening,
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden everybody would jump onto
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: Jack's team. But I did say to him, it's not
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: appropriate for a.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: Public well, even if people are on Jacks's team at
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: Big Bear, I would just watch the finale when she's
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: packing and there in their house. He's standing beside and
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: watching him gaslight her.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: That's a new word that I just recently learned.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: It's actually it's been overused.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't even know, still don't know what it means.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: Apparently I'm a big gas lighter.
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: You are, but it's fine. Actually you're not as big
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: as him.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: But he where he just constantly anytime she said anything,
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: like he said I'm booking therapy, She's like, when did
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: you book therapy? He's like yesterday. She's like, okay, that's
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: the day before cameras picked up. Like everything had a
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: means for fame, for for the show, and nothing really
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: seemed to be about the relationship. Do you think there's
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: a chance that those two can end up back together?
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: And did he hook up with Lauri K Productions?
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: As you know, man, you're just firing them off. It's like,
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: just you just give me the sheet. I'll read off
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: my answers.
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: Here.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: I'm like, the wine is lukewarm.
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: This is where enjoyment goes to die. It's like we
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: are just roughing it out here. We're in the trenches.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: Answer the question which one Laurie, Okay, we don't care
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: about anything else. I can't imagine that's true. I've met
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: her a thousand times and they all of them.
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: Then why did Brettan follow her?
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: I have no, I don't know these unfollow like follow on.
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: You know that I wasn't following you.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: So you seem well, yeah, because I followed you last
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: night when I listened to eight hundred podcasts, which I like.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: I'm like listening to podcast trying to do my research,
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: writing my outline. Gotten a ship, by the way.
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: Where is it? I don't you don't seem to be
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: using it.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: No, I don't. I don't I burn it.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: Ah, Okay, so.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: Laurie, I don't. I don't think that's possibly true.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: But do you think he's treated No, Well, now I
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: can't like you because now I think you're a liar.
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: I'm not a liar. Look at my face. I'm not
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: lying to you.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: This is gaslighting. This is actually the definition of gaslighting.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: I'm telling you. I've I've there has been a monster
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: change in Jack since he had his son, and I
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: think I think it had a lot to do with
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: him losing his I think that whole time frame changed
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: his like mentality. And I mean I would know of
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: anybody in the group, I would know, and I one, No,
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: he was not cheating. Okay, so he did the exact
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: same thing I did. You know? Communication was lost? You
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: know I used to sit like Michelle used to say,
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: I'm not an affectionate person, and you know, now I'm
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: with somebody and I seem to be overly affected.
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: Nicole tell me about her. He hates when I switch gears.
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: But yes, I am.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I should never have said that. No, she's amazing.
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: Is she coming with us tonight to Jackxon's.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: She is coming tonight? Yeah, Okay, I love I love
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: that us are going.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going. What about is Michelle? What about Michelle's boyfriend?
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: Is he going with us?
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: I don't I don't know if Michelle or the boyfriend
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: are going. If you want, I can get like a
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: stretch Limo nineteen eighty eight, Gordon Gecko style, and we.
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: Can from a hold on.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to Encino, but it can it hard enough.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: I'm going to Studio City, But.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: Can it be from the Instagram model's dad? Take us
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: to a restaurant first?
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: Okay?
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: All right, so are we actually going to answer a question?
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: You're just going to fire him?
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: Ut No, keep going.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: I want it was the question. Now, well, I still
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: am not satisfied and answered my limo question.
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: I don't need to have a lone. I can take
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: an uber X. I'll meet you guys there. But I
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: don't believe you on Laurie. Oh wow something?
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Perfect? No, you know I know her, She's been around,
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: you know, forever.
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: Does she still wrap Brittany?
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: I think so, but I don't know does she I
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: don't know actually who she does represent and doesn't represent?
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: But I know is she divorced Laurie? I don't know
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: she lives in Montreal. I have no idea.
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: Oh, okay, who do you think is bigger?
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: Don't? Because Jackson has been doing Canadian tours. Yeah, it's
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: like you chose so transparent.
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: I said, I wasn't. Who do you think is a
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: bigger douchebag? Jacks or.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: Sandoval Man? I don't. I think what sandval did was
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: was terrible. But I don't know if he's like necessarily
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: a douchebag. But what he did was was was horrible,
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: and not taking accountability for it was horrible. I don't know.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: That's a tough question. I think I'd probably just go
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: with me no, you just talked about Yes, I just
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: figured it out. Oh no, now I can Now I
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: can know.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: You have to pick someone. This is the game. It's
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: pick or die. You have to pick one or the other.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: It cannot be yourself. And then we're gonna get into
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: Jackson's a bigger douchebag. Okay, all right, let's talk about
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: Danny and Nia. I knew them prior because they go
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: to my same church. I've known Danny and Nea for years.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: I never originally kind of pictured that happening. We introduced
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: Danny to Jack's at a RAMS game and then this
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: kind of all happened.
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: What pretty much I am? I'm the catalyst to getting
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: other people's jobs that I can't get.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: Amazing, you know.
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: Nailed it.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: But what do you think that there was a day
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: on the beach, you're wrestling, You're getting a little too
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: intense for Danny's liking, and then the night ends with
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: all of you guys in tears.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: That was rough to watch?
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: Rough or amazing?
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't ever want to. I've seen my
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: husband cry two times.
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: The fact that all of.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: You as cry, well, if you watched the original trailer
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: that came out when I came down and gave Danny
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: a hug at the beginning, and he said he's allergic
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: to cotton, and I said it was Kashmir. I also
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: in the trailer said that I was the number one
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: crier in the group, just like I also said I
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: was a number one?
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: Did you cry on command right now?
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: Probably? Great?
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: Do it?
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: No?
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: I can't. Well now, I almost I almost did. When
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: at the beginning, when I was talking about Isabella and
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: you asking about the scene, why would we have Isabella there?
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: I almost I know I saw that, but you seemed
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: like you enjoyed antagonizing Danny.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: I mean, we hadn't quite seen. I think I was
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: the one that coined the phrase.
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, is that what his name? I've never seen dark
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: Side Danny.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: Well, if you so, you don't watch the.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: Show, then, I mean in real life and real life,
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: I've never seen dark Side Danny.
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: I only see like I see church Danny.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean we're probably the only two people
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: that would drink marguerite is before we go to church.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: The most normal people don't. I mean you and.
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: I us me and you know, I wait till after church. Okay,
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: then I'm fine with it.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: Is there a question in there, the question what you
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: so hard to watch? Great?
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: You know, I loved it hard to watch looking back,
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: Do you think you were antagonizing them to get the
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: heat off of you guys?
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: No, I I you also.
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: Job at the same time.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well that was you know, it was funny because
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: it's supposed to be. You know, after this this journey
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: that I went on, and I was church, I was
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: very very When I first watched that episode, I was like,
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: oh god, they made me look so bad today, Like
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: I don't know that then I looked, But then I
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: watched it again and I was like, if you see
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: me like play fighting and even play fighting with Michelle,
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: I looked like, you know. One of the things that
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: I sort of learned on this journey was that I
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: had Jesse and I'm going to talk to the third
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: person like it like a douche.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: Hold on, Jess, you were talking about you. I thought
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: you were talking about Janet's husband, because I know that's Jason, but.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: I know you'll never know his name. It's only like
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: one of the most ten common names in America. It's fine.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: So the thing thing that I learned was like there
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: was Jesse and over the years with pain and stress
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: and success and all these things. You know. Scott and
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: I talked about having these layers of Scott's theist of
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: like veils over me. And when I when I was
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: doing the journey of the first medicine that I took,
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: I went and sat next to him and I was
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: like talking about what I had just experienced, and he
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: was like, you know, Jesse is enough. And that was
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: the first thing I learned, like once you strip away
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: all that stuff. And when I watched the episode the
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: second time, I was like, God, look, get how like
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: goofy and like that's how I used to be when
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: I was younger. I was like, you know, I looked
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: the way I looked, I talked the way I talked,
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: but I was like kind of goofy and you know,
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: playful and stuff like that. And I watched that on
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: the beach and I was like, that's what I was,
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: That's what I was trying to do. And you know,
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: there's so much content that you that you and there's
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: so much context that you don't get to see. But
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: that was like a long day on the beach. I mean,
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: that was like two bottles of cosamigos and Why.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: Didn't you guys have any mixers? You give me shit
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: about my cups today, but like you guys didn't even
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: have a mixer there.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: I'm a purist. It didn't look good, well, it felt good.
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: Do you have any regrets from watching the season?
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: Do I have any regrets? I kin't. You know. Yeah,
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: I regret being reactive instead of being logical. You know,
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: there were a lot of moments where I, you know,
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: I was just there was just so much going on that,
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: you know, my first instinct was don't ask. Don't ask, like, oh,
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: who said this? Who said that? My first instinct was
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: to attack the person who said it. That was reactive
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: and I wasn't like, Okay, let's get down to the
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: bottom and I'll tell you what. The one time I
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: did that was in the bedroom and with when I
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: called Jack's up to.
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: Explain the oh, I like, I actually love that scene.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: We also called I also called Janet up.
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: I wish you would have asked for the cell phone.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: I know, I didn't even think of that.
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: Why wouldn't you think of that? Do you know her?
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: Did you know her cell phone code? No?
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: I think it was changed every like fifteen minutes.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: Hold on that would have been heaven if you would
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: have said, can I have your cell phone?
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: What's your code? And look through the text right there.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: You I wouldn't think to do that.
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: Oh are you kidding? You don't have each other's locations?
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: No, I don't even know you can have somebody's location.
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: I have Matt's just to make sure he has mine too,
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: whether you like it or not.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, now, of course I have.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: If it's not Michael Bay Quentin Tarantino, but he hangs
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: out at the Peninsula, not at Chateau Ormont.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: All last summer we were with him at Chateau, and
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: I was desperately trying to get Isabella in his next movie.
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: If it's happening, Can you please google what actors are
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: in the most recent Quentin Tarantino movie.
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: He said that he wasn't doing it anyway.
• 49:30
  Speaker 5: So, yeah, so your regret that you weren't that I was.
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: I was reactive.
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay. Do you think the show actually portrayed who
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: you are?
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I think I think, you know, I think
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: I'm a little bit more complex than people get, and
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: I think it showed certain aspects of my personality, and
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: I think it showed growth which was which is what
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: I'm still doing, trying trying to grow was a person,
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: and uh yeah, I think it was pretty spot on.
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: Do you think Jax has a bald spot?
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: I thought it was a cowlic? Is that what it's called?
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: Calick colic cow?
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: What are your thoughts on not having a reunion?
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: I literally would I mean not literally figuratively, would do
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: it for free because I thought there was a There
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: was so much that has happened, but I don't know
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: what happened.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: I'll watch what Happens live. They were like, no, no, no, no.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: The ratings said differently, which is nice. Really Yeah, who
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: is he on with Michelle? Buttu she's an actress, comedian, she's.
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: Guess bouto and I need to check the ratings.
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: Bouteau. I don't know. I was all for it, but
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you what it's actually, there is so much
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: for season two that would have sort of I think
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: we would have gotten through a lot of it in
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: a reunion, and now we have all of season two
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: to like.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: I'm actually fine with you guys not having a reunion.
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: How do you feel about Sheena and La La or
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: anybody from Vanner Pump roles coming over, because Jack's publicly
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: said that he wouldn't want anybody from Vandon pump Roles
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: coming over. What are your thoughts.
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: I love Sheenan Brock, you know, we just sold them
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: their house in the valley.
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: Well, of course you love them, then how much?
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: Well No, I've known Sheena, you know, forever.
• 51:41
  Speaker 5: Too, and I have not hooked up with any of
• 51:45
  Speaker 5: them never. Okay, So you know, I had a conversation
• 51:52
  Speaker 5: with Jackson and Schwartz on the way out to that
• 51:55
  Speaker 5: golf tournament, and I actually wanted them to come over.
• 52:00
  Speaker 5: But talking with Jackson, Tom, they have such a presence
• 52:07
  Speaker 5: that I think people, you know, we we have such
• 52:09
  Speaker 5: a dynamic on our show with our group of friends
• 52:13
  Speaker 5: that I think there would be people that would be
• 52:16
  Speaker 5: sort of overshowering, overpowered by them coming in because they
• 52:23
  Speaker 5: I mean, they're they're all pros.
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: You know, they've been doing it a long time. And
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: I think we have a dynamic and we have a
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: bunch of storylines that you know, what happened with me
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: and Michelle, you know, what are the details and the
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: truths of what is what has come out? What happened
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: with Jackson, Brittany. You know, there are all these storylines.
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: I mean the baby with Jason. I played golf with
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: Jason a half a dozen times since the cameras went down,
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: and you know, there's so much more, think about it.
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: I didn't have one single scene, like one single moment
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: with Jacks or Jackson, Brittany, the four of us. You know,
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: there's so much more to explore that bringing in new people.
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: I think, is it's too premature.
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, one of the Chris said it's.
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: Too premature from the beginning and not I.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: Know you haven't learned to speaking sound bites yet. But
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: I'm working through.
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: It, which is why I did six hours of prep
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: for for Watch What Happens Live because I was like, Okay,
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: I'll just give like two second answers, but.
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: Why this is a big question I put out on
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: the Instagram that I've tagged you on, but now I'm
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: going to get heckled for.
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: I asked, what are your questions for Jesse?
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: And everybody wants to know why Jack sweats orange?
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: What's orange? Yeah? Oh the armpit orange thing? Yeah, it's
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: I don't yeah self tanner spray tan. I don't do
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: any of that stuff. Like I put makeup, I put
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: a little well, I saw you tagged me and you're
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: doing full glam, and I'm like, I don't want I
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: don't know. I'm only wearing pj's and I got a
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: facial yesterday, and I have a goddamn mark right hair,
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: and I got one right here that I'm married.
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: Stu you to get excited.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: I had three interviews before you.
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: So you because I put hairspray in two and I
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: don't wear hair product, so now I have to go home.
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: You do wear a lot of headbands.
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: I wear headbands, Yeah, I do. I actually wore one
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: running this morning and had one on when I got
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: out of the shower because I usually don't use product
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: at all. I just washed my hair once a week.
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: And could we maybe add one thing into your lifestyle change.
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: You're gonna come into my no show socks or my shoes.
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: I just want. I don't like to see a man's ankle.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: Ever an ankle, Well, I also didn't. I also didn't trim,
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: so I'm getting a little bushy. That's why you can't
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: stay focused, because are you staring at that?
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: I just there's hair and there's an ankle. So let's
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: talk about Let's talk about nipplegate one. I never knew
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: that you could get tattoos drinking. I heard that you
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: weren't supposed to.
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: No, you can't get tattoos when you're drinking because you
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: might bleed more because your blood is thinner.
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: But why were you guys all doing it and then
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: fighting to get the first?
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: I thought it was a fake tattoo situation until Britt
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: said outside like, no, no, no, it's real. And I've
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: always wanted this tattoo.
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: Is it the one on your wrist?
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: No, it's right under my heart. This Isabella with a
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: little Bunny because Bunny is her middle name. I'll show
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: it to you if you want. I'm good tonight.
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: Photos. Okay, great? Continue?
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: What was the question?
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: Well, what's the question?
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so so the side piece of mistressing? You know,
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: why would you say that to Hall?
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: Like? What is that?
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: The funny thing is we had never really had any
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: long conversation together, the two of us, and she had.
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: I was in line for the tattoo. She had asked
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: me if she could go first because she was getting
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: some little like a heart or something, and I sat
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: next to her and we talked the entire time she
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: was getting the tattoo was the first time I'd ever
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: like a really conversation, like super fun. I mean that's why,
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: that's why when I was first considering that idea of
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: like them coming onto the show, I'm like, God, me
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: and Laala would have so much fun.
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: Which do you think you'd have so much fun because
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: you'd be into her?
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: No, because I think the banter would be amazing. So
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: that was like the first real conversation I had with her,
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: and it was it was before I said that comment.
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: So it was like kind of funny because we were
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: in this moment and the energy was great and and
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: I mean that's probably why she didn't chop my head off.
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because the way it played was that you said
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: that before the tattoo. Yeah, but then what about when
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: you pinched Kristen Snipple?
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: You regret this and any.
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: So yes, one of the things that I.
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: You're working on with your ayahuasca.
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, there's so much context that you don't
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: get to see. I mean, we have hundreds of you know,
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: we have hundreds of hours of footage, and what actually
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: happened didn't play out the way it actually happened, you know,
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: it never like I I never touched her. But if
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: you know, one of the things I said to Josh,
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: what do.
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: You mean you never touched her? Because I saw it.
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it didn't. It didn't happen.
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: Okay, you know, so you just you you made the move.
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: I basically, So there's, like I said, there's a ton
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: of context to it. And the thing that made me
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: the most upset about that whole situation was I I
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: whatever happened, like whatever happened, and and I can't blame
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: it on drinking because I remember after that. But no, no,
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: Kristin and I you know, you can see her grab me.
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: But there were other things that happened, you know, throughout
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: the course of that, like interaction where where it was
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: we were very playful, we were No, it wasn't it
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: wasn't a fight. And and you know I said to
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: Jack's you know, whatever my part was in that, I
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: take full accountability. But what makes me so angry is
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: like number one, I don't treat women that way. And
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: number two, and the most important is I'm raising a
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: little girl and I don't want to assault women. I
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: don't want to make women feel in an uncomfortable position
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: because I'm raising a little girl, and that's the most
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: important thing to me. And I said that to Jack's
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: and I said that to Luke as well. So if
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: if there was a situation that that put Chris in
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: an uncomfortable position, I like, I said to Luke, I
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: one hundred percent apologize it's not right. But I'm like
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: racking my brain. I'm like that I didn't do that
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: because I was drunk.
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: For you in that moment.
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: I'm the same drunk I always am on a basis,
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. It's like that's like that's
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: like asking a bird how much it flies every day? Well,
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I remember, you remember it?
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: I remember everything. I have this weird like.
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: You don't go, you don't go brown.
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, I have. I I pull stuff up
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: from like six years ago. I'm like, remember when you
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: said this six years ago. It's like stuck in my brain.
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: I remember saying I remember saying bye to Danny n
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: Nia because I didn't see the pantsing thing.
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: Oh, I have a question, and I know we have
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: to go.
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: You're not gonna let me answer it, but you're gonna
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: ask it.
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I am. Do you think that Nia always pulled
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: Danny right before shit hit the fan on purpose, because
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: that's what they showed us in the finale.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: The nanny has to go.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the nanny has to go or the ace broke
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: or whatever.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: That was my Yeah, that was like that was their
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: thing before Dark Side Danny came out and it was
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: it was kind of like a little laugh, but I
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: get it. I mean what they're going through. Holy shit,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: I have one kid, zero patients and they are like,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: I don't know how they do it, and like they
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: are they are the strongest couple. Like she's so maternal
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: and she's so lovely that you know. And I get
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: where Danny's coming from too. It's like, oh, like god,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: I would need I mean I can drink twenty drinks,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: but I would need forty if I had three kids
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: under two and closing.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: If you had the opportunity right now where you could
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: do anything to save your relationship with Michelle, would you
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: do it?
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: No? Really, nothing, knowing what I know now and being
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: with somebody who is so incredible, like you know, an
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: amazing mother.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: Oh she's a mom already.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she's a two year old daughter and and Isabella
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: and her daughter. No, it's uh, I would never I
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: would never go backwards, always always upwards.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: All right, so we're going to see Lace in a
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: cool next season. No, you wouldn't bring her on the show.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: Well, she lives in Orange County, it's not the valley.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: Well, if you can only see yourself upwards, she's probably
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: gonna live with you near the shadow of Vermont soon.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, maybe I should just do the Real Housewives
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: of OC and.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: Well, I'll ask tamer if she can get your job.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: She hasn't got me one yet.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: Just as a p A though, just as a PA,
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: I don't want to be in front of the camera.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: I'll just feed lines to people and they like, say this,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: it'll be funny. Trust me. I want to be a
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: douchebag right now.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: It works And where socks?
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for tuning in for an
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: episode of popping Off. I appreciate Jesse.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: Jesse, where should they find you on social media to
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: follow you and do all the things?
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: I'm blessed. I got at Jesse Lally on everything, Twitter, Instagram,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: which you know because you now follow me. And yeah,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: and in.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: The next forty five minutes, I will be posting the
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: photo of him with Anna and Nicole with his tongue ring,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: and you guys can make your own assumptions.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: And if you come to Jack's with me tonight, please
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: bring me socks long ones. Bye,