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Tammy Hembrow’s Getting Divorced · Outspoken the Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
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  Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Amy Torber and coming up on today's show, Tammy Hembro
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  Speaker 1: confirms she's divorcing Matt Sikowsky. And Sarah's day unveils her
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  Speaker 1: yummy mummy luxury car. But first, Kate, the missing piece
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  Speaker 1: of the outspoken family is finally here. Oh, and he
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  Speaker 1: is just so perfect. Even though you had Harry, what,
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  Speaker 1: eight or nine weeks ago, I still can't get over
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  Speaker 1: how small newborn babies are. They grow so quickly. And Sophie,
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  Speaker 1: of course, gave birth to Luca Archie. Kate, you keep
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  Speaker 1: saying his name is Archie. That's the name of her dog. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I know. It's really confusing. Even in the script, I
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  Speaker 1: wrote Archie Luca. I was like, whoops. So Archie is
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  Speaker 1: Sophie and Brandon's firstborn, but Luca is the non-furred baby,
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  Speaker 1: the real baby. He is just so cute.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: We were trying to work out who he looked like.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, immediately when I saw him, I went, he
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  Speaker 1: looks like Sophie as a baby, but then he pulls
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  Speaker 1: expressions that look like Brandon. Yeah. It's definitely a mix
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  Speaker 1: this time because Amy, you and I basically gave birth
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  Speaker 1: to our husbands. I don't know. A lot of people
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  Speaker 1: now have been saying that Harry looks like me. I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 1: Even Dale's family yesterday all said he looks like you.
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  Speaker 1: I think they're being polite. He literally looks like a
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  Speaker 1: mini Dale to me. I often go to call him Dale,
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  Speaker 1: but I am getting a lot of the names confused
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  Speaker 1: because now I'm calling Jack Harry and now that Luke
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  Speaker 1: is in the picture, I mean, I'm also getting Archie
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  Speaker 1: in there too. Yeah, well, they've all got similar amount
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  Speaker 1: of letters in them. So it is kind of getting confusing,
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  Speaker 1: all of these boys' names. But what was going to
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  Speaker 1: be even more confusing was was the fact that Luca
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  Speaker 1: was scheduled to be born on Jack's birthday up until
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  Speaker 1: the very last minute. Yeah, I think we'll go into
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  Speaker 1: that more on Sophie's birth episode because we do have
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  Speaker 1: a clip of her telling me. I didn't realise I
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  Speaker 1: was being recorded. Well, we thought your reaction was going
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  Speaker 1: to be so poor. We just thought it would be
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  Speaker 1: funny to actually have it recorded. I acted really nicely. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we were shocked. We were like, oh, okay, this isn't
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  Speaker 1: that entertaining. Well, well, I thought it might be kind
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  Speaker 1: of nice for the boys to share a birthday because
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  Speaker 1: we've grown up sharing our birthdays. And I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: that's really cute that they'll be connected in that way.
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  Speaker 1: But as the weeks went on, I was kind of like,
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  Speaker 1: hang on, it's not fair that they're going to have
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  Speaker 1: to share their birthday. And Sophie ended up getting a call,
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  Speaker 1: I think it was a week before the C-section to say, actually,
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  Speaker 1: you're a day earlier. So they're one day apart now.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's a lot better. I actually saw Jade
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  Speaker 1: Tunchi and her sister had the same thing happen to them.
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  Speaker 1: So Jade's sister's baby was born, I think the day
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  Speaker 1: after her son Fletcher. And I'm like, oh my God,
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  Speaker 1: it's more common than you think. Well, I think you
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  Speaker 1: guys are paranoid that people might've thought, oh, you plan
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  Speaker 1: to have the babies on the same day. Because of course,
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  Speaker 1: Sophie and I got proposed to on the same day.
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  Speaker 1: Our weddings were nine weeks apart. I think Sophie was
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  Speaker 1: just thinking, I wish there was just something I had
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  Speaker 1: on my own. Yeah, it's always growing up with all
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  Speaker 1: that freaky triplet stuff. As much as you try not
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  Speaker 1: to be the same, there are similar occurrences. And I
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  Speaker 1: was like, oh, not this again. Just while you're transitioning
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  Speaker 1: back from maternity leave to full-time work for Outspoken, I
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  Speaker 1: say that as you have Harry on your lap. I'm
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  Speaker 1: so sorry. Of course, he's just making all of these noises.
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  Speaker 1: He's meant to be asleep, but... He had other ideas. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so as you can see, we are trying to manage
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  Speaker 1: everything and that's why we've got a Tammy Hembrough deep
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  Speaker 1: dive ready to go for the next couple of weeks.
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  Speaker 1: I think it should be four parts, but considering everything
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  Speaker 1: that's been happening, who knows, it may turn into a
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  Speaker 1: fifth part. Yeah, I think you need an extra episode actually. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so for the next couple of weeks, we'll be doing
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  Speaker 1: a regular Tuesday show and then we'll be dropping a
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  Speaker 1: deep dive episode on Fridays. We also still have our
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  Speaker 1: Outspoken Plus subscriber-only episodes live that are released on Thursdays.
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  Speaker 3: I wanted to finally tell.
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  Speaker 2: You guys that I am going to be getting a divorce.
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  Speaker 1: Tammy Hembrough has announced she's divorcing Matt Sikowsky after just
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  Speaker 1: seven months of marriage. The whirlwind romance captivated audiences thanks
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  Speaker 1: to the many ups and downs, from getting engaged in
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  Speaker 1: the Maldives after dating long distance for three months, to
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  Speaker 1: the Grand Prix cheating scandal, it's been a wild ride
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  Speaker 1: for Tammy's 17 million followers. Kate, we have spoken at
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  Speaker 1: length on the podcast about this relationship and listeners will
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  Speaker 1: know that breakup rumors have been swirling for months since
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  Speaker 1: the couple unfollowed each other on Instagram in March. Now,
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  Speaker 1: despite knowing all of that, it didn't make it easier
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  Speaker 1: watching Tammy confirm the news on TikTok. I'm absolutely shattered
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  Speaker 1: for her. And I know that there will be some
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  Speaker 1: listeners saying, oh, she should have seen the red flags.
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  Speaker 1: But She's still a woman who just wanted to be
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  Speaker 1: loved and I've consumed a lot of Tammy Hembrough content
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  Speaker 1: and my observation is that she is a hopeless romantic
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  Speaker 1: that loves love and she fought really hard for this
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  Speaker 1: relationship with Matt. This is despite her sisters publicly warning
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  Speaker 1: her that she shouldn't marry him. She went ahead with
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  Speaker 1: it anyway. And that's why it was so difficult to
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  Speaker 1: watch because Tammy did have to admit on camera that
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  Speaker 1: she was wrong and that in fact her sisters were right.
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  Speaker 1: And having sisters, I know how difficult that is to
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  Speaker 1: admit when you are in the wrong. Oh, it reminded
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  Speaker 1: me of the toxic relationship I used to be in. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And it would have been so hard to say, actually,
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  Speaker 1: you've been right because I stayed in this relationship because
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  Speaker 1: I kind of wanted to prove a point that you
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  Speaker 1: guys were wrong. And I almost feel like that's what's
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  Speaker 1: happened in this situation. And it was clear how anxious
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  Speaker 1: Tammy was on camera. She was shaking when she confirmed
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  Speaker 1: the news. Let's take a listen.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like, oh my gosh, this is giving me
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  Speaker 3: so much anxiety. Um, oh my god, I'm already crying.
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  Speaker 3: I have tissues. I'm not about to f * * *
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  Speaker 3: up my makeup.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, hey.
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  Speaker 3: So, I wanted to finally.
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  Speaker 2: Tell you guys that I am going to be getting
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  Speaker 2: a divorce.
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  Speaker 3: Um, I know, I.
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  Speaker 2: Know a lot of you have been, I know a
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  Speaker 2: lot of you have been, you know, following my journey
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  Speaker 2: for years.
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  Speaker 3: So I wanted to be open about it.
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  Speaker 2: And, you know, I do feel like for me, addressing
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  Speaker 2: with you guys is sort of therapeutic like it's sort
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  Speaker 2: of like the next step for me I guess um
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  Speaker 2: uh it's not I don't want to get into details
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  Speaker 2: and I just you know I'm not one to try
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  Speaker 2: and like bring anyone down I don't want to like
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  Speaker 2: I just want to be sensitive to everyone involved I
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  Speaker 2: don't want to talk about anyone other than myself to
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  Speaker 2: be honest.
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  Speaker 1: I really wasn't surprised to hear Tammy say that she
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  Speaker 1: wasn't going to go into the details, although I was disappointed.
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  Speaker 1: But that has really been her go-to strategy with her
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  Speaker 1: breakups with her former fiancés, of course, Rhys Hawkins and
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  Speaker 1: also Matt Paul. Yeah, the big difference though here is
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  Speaker 1: that Tammy has children with Rhys and Matt Paul, but
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  Speaker 1: not with Matt Sikowsky. And I wouldn't be surprised if
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  Speaker 1: she ends up dropping details as time goes on. I
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  Speaker 1: think it will also depend on Matt's behavior and how
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  Speaker 1: he acts.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But in saying that, things did get a little bit
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  Speaker 1: nasty between Tammy and Reese, but we never actually found
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  Speaker 1: out what really caused their breakup. Whereas with Matt Sikowsky,
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  Speaker 1: I think she may open up about what caused the
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  Speaker 1: breakdown eventually. And she did drop the other day that
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  Speaker 1: she's thinking of starting her own podcast. So I would
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  Speaker 1: not be surprised if her first episode was all about
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  Speaker 1: her breakup. I think it's a little bit of a
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  Speaker 1: fuck you to Matt as well, because He clearly is
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  Speaker 1: very focused on his own podcast, Where's Your Head At?
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  Speaker 1: And even though he's tried really hard to get listeners
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  Speaker 1: across from Tammy's following, it just hasn't worked. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: think there's been a lot of conversation around Matt looking
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  Speaker 1: like he's a bit of a clout chaser for going
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  Speaker 1: after Tammy. But the funny thing is it really hasn't
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  Speaker 1: affected his follower count positively. I think he's been on what,
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  Speaker 1: like 150,000 followers for a very long time. You think
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  Speaker 1: dating someone with 17 million followers is would actually bump
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  Speaker 1: up your following. But he's been very much disliked by
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  Speaker 1: her fans. Yeah. I mean, I can see why. You
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  Speaker 1: touched on the Grand Prix cheating scandal that happened very
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  Speaker 1: early on in their relationship. I don't think that he's
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  Speaker 1: ever fully recovered from that. I think there was a
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  Speaker 1: bit more love going Matt's way after their wedding and
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  Speaker 1: when they went on their honeymoon. I think people were thinking, oh, well,
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  Speaker 1: maybe he is in it for the right reasons and
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  Speaker 1: maybe he's treating Tammy well, so let's be happy for them.
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  Speaker 1: But that really ended so quickly because After their honeymoon,
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  Speaker 1: we didn't really see much of Matt. I think the
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  Speaker 1: last post we saw of them together was Matt spruiking
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  Speaker 1: some kind of wedding photo album that he had created.
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  Speaker 1: That was around Valentine's Day. Now, during her statement, Tammy
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  Speaker 1: said that she never wanted or expected to break up
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  Speaker 1: with Matt and thought that their marriage would last forever.
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  Speaker 1: She conceded, though, that there was no other option but divorce.
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  Speaker 1: Tammy also revealed she's currently in therapy and she said
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  Speaker 1: that she realises she has a lot of growing to do.
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  Speaker 1: Here's more of what she said.
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  Speaker 3: I blame no one but myself, to be honest. I
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  Speaker 3: feel like I've made.
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  Speaker 2: Not the best choices when it comes to relationships. And I've,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I feel like I am really good at
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  Speaker 2: putting on rose colored glasses or just getting like swept
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  Speaker 2: up in it all. Um, Obviously, the worst part for
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  Speaker 2: me is that, like, I have kids.
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  Speaker 3: Like, I don't care about me.
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  Speaker 5: Like, I know I'll be okay, but I just, I feel, obviously,
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  Speaker 5: I obviously feel awful for, like, I just felt awful.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 2: Stop crying.
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  Speaker 4: Stop crying.
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  Speaker 5: Sorry, sorry, sorry.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously, I get a lot of nasty comments being like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: another marriage. Like, this is my first marriage, just FYI.
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  Speaker 2: But no comment that anyone could say. Like, these comments
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  Speaker 2: haven't even been really getting to me because nothing anyone.
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  Speaker 3: Could say could make me feel, like, more.
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  Speaker 3: Like, shit that I already do, like, more humiliated or more.
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  Speaker 2: Like, I already, like, think that about myself right now, so, like,
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  Speaker 2: don't think those comments are getting to me because I'm.
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  Speaker 3: Already there. End of the day, I know this is.
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  Speaker 3: What needs to happen.
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  Speaker 1: Whatever you think about Tammy Hembrough on a human level,
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  Speaker 1: that really hurt to listen to, especially when she put
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  Speaker 1: her reputation on the line for Matt Zukoski and it's
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  Speaker 1: all blown up in her face. Well, she mentioned in
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  Speaker 1: there feeling humiliated. That quote of hers has been splashed
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  Speaker 1: all over the media. And I think this relationship with
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  Speaker 1: Matt Zukoski is going to be one that haunts her
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  Speaker 1: for a long time. I mean, it's just so sad,
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  Speaker 1: particularly with three children involved. And when they started dating,
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  Speaker 1: there was a lot of judgment masked as faux concern
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  Speaker 1: about Tammy introducing her kids too early to Matt. And
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  Speaker 1: it would be really difficult for Tammy to be like,
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  Speaker 1: hang on, yeah, you were right to be concerned. I
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  Speaker 1: shouldn't have done that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And Tammy's son, Wolf, especially got really close to Matt.
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  Speaker 1: They seem to have a special relationship. I also think
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  Speaker 1: the fact that Tammy actually married Matt would have made
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  Speaker 1: it really different for the kids. They would have gone,
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  Speaker 1: this is my new stepdad. I mean, it was only
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  Speaker 1: recently that Matt appeared on Shameless Media's Inherited podcast, and
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  Speaker 1: he spoke about the role of being a stepdad and
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  Speaker 1: how important and special it was to him, considering that
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  Speaker 1: he's been very open about the fact that he'll find
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  Speaker 1: it difficult to naturally conceive a child At the time,
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  Speaker 1: there was a lot of backlash aimed at Shameless for
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  Speaker 1: having Matt Sikowsky on the podcast. Yeah. And that's actually
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  Speaker 1: continued now that the breakup has gone live. People are like,
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  Speaker 1: you should never have given him the platform. Well, I
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  Speaker 1: wonder when that interview was actually recorded and if he
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  Speaker 1: was honest with the team about what his relationship was
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  Speaker 1: currently with Tammy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, to be fair to Shameless Media, I think
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  Speaker 1: it was a good get for them. I think it
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  Speaker 1: probably got a lot of downloads. And I also think
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  Speaker 1: that Shameless Media's intention was probably to have a really
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  Speaker 1: raw conversation with Matt about what it's like being a stepdad,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't think he stepped up to the plate.
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  Speaker 1: The conversation itself was bizarre, but it was more bizarre
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  Speaker 1: from Matt's perspective. I think the questions they actually asked
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  Speaker 1: him were very strong, but he just didn't come to
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  Speaker 1: the table. It was just a very strange mix. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I want to talk more about Tammy's sisters in this
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  Speaker 1: scenario because on Wednesday before this announcement went live, Tammy
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  Speaker 1: shared a special post for her sister Amy's birthday writing,
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for always being there for me and for
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  Speaker 1: loving me through every season and through every version of me.
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  Speaker 1: You've wiped my tears, told me the truth even when
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  Speaker 1: I didn't want to hear it, and you've given advice
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  Speaker 1: even when I refuse to listen, with a crying face emoji.
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  Speaker 1: Fast forward to Sunday. During Tammy's divorce announcement, she then
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  Speaker 1: said this.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lesson in everything, and hopefully.
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  Speaker 3: This time I learned it. And, you know, hopefully... I.
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  Speaker 2: Am more cautious going forward and more, you know, just.
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  Speaker 3: Eyes wide open and, you know, like, listen to the
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  Speaker 3: people around me and.
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  Speaker 6: Hopefully I just finally learn from these mistakes, which I
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  Speaker 6: feel like I finally.
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  Speaker 3: will.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, super embarrassing, super heartbreaking, super just shit situation.
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  Speaker 1: Now, just for some context, if you cast your mind
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  Speaker 1: back to October, Tammy's older sisters, Emily and Amy famously
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  Speaker 1: called Matt out during an interview on his podcast. It
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  Speaker 1: was the most awkward interview I've ever heard. And I
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  Speaker 1: still don't get how Matt thought it was a good
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  Speaker 1: idea to share it. He must have been so desperate
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  Speaker 1: for ratings at the time. Is it because Matt doesn't
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  Speaker 1: edit the podcast? Like, because did he not listen to
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  Speaker 1: it back at all? Surely he had to give it
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  Speaker 1: the green light. Oh, but in the moment you knew
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  Speaker 1: it was a train wreck from the get go. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but maybe he thought there'd be some bits edited out.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, they couldn't have made it any clearer how
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  Speaker 1: much they despised him. They literally called him an immature
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  Speaker 1: baby and said that they had massive concerns about their relationship.
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  Speaker 1: I remember them going on about how they thought it
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  Speaker 1: was so rude that when they came over to Tammy's house,
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  Speaker 1: Matt was acting like it was his own. And that
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  Speaker 1: kind of gave off the impression that maybe Matt was
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  Speaker 1: coming across like a gold digger or just that he
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  Speaker 1: was really enjoying being in Tammy's mansion. Yeah. Well, I
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  Speaker 1: went back and re-listened to the episode and I had
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  Speaker 1: forgotten that one week into their relationship, Tammy and Matt
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  Speaker 1: announced to her family that they were eloping.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And that news led to a crisis meeting with the
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  Speaker 1: Hembrough family where things got really heated. This is what
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  Speaker 1: Emily said about it.
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  Speaker 4: When you guys said you were getting engaged, I was like,
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  Speaker 4: He must be that delusional. I was really concerned because
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  Speaker 4: she is like she's spontaneous and she's a fun spirit
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  Speaker 4: and she likes to do what she wants to do.
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  Speaker 4: But for a guy to come in and think that's
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  Speaker 4: okay when she's got a one-year-old, like I thought that
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  Speaker 4: was a big red flag.
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  Speaker 1: We're talking about things haunting Tammy Hembrough. This must be
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  Speaker 1: top of the list, especially this warning from Emily.
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  Speaker 4: I just hope you know marriage is a serious thing. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You have said that to me before.
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  Speaker 4: It is actually a serious thing. And like, I hope
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  Speaker 4: you don't make any mistakes. Like I really pray and
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  Speaker 4: hope that you don't do anything to hurt Tammy.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not going to hurt Tammy.
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  Speaker 1: I have no intention of hurting Tammy. Jeez, that quote
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  Speaker 1: did not age well for Matt Sikowski. The sad thing
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  Speaker 1: is often it's people like your sister's who can see
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  Speaker 1: the red flags. I mean, Matt was clearly love bombing Tammy.
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  Speaker 1: To be fair, we don't know what was going on
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  Speaker 1: inside their relationship. But from my perspective of having experienced
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  Speaker 1: a toxic relationship, normally the person tries to turn you
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  Speaker 1: against your family. And often when the family are calling
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  Speaker 1: out bad behavior, it then in this weird way forces
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  Speaker 1: you together and you're like this team against them. And
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  Speaker 1: I think it seems like that's what's happened in this situation.
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  Speaker 1: And she probably stopped telling her sisters things that Matt
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  Speaker 1: had done that might have been even bigger red flags
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  Speaker 1: for fear of them being really judgmental and hating Matt
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  Speaker 1: even more. Now, a couple of hours after Tammy's announcement,
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  Speaker 1: Matt posted his own statement to his Instagram story. He wrote,
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  Speaker 1: it is with a heavy heart that I share that
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: Tammy and I have decided to separate. Both of us
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: have struggled with making this decision. However, we need to
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: do what is right for ourselves and her three children.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: This wasn't a decision we took lightly. Our time together
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: will always be cherished and never forgotten. We appreciate everyone's
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: support and space at this time as we navigate the split.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: I love at the end how Matt tried to make
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: out like it was some kind of joint statement with
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: the way it's like, no, you've had to rush out
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: this statement. I saw some people saying, Was this possibly
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: a chat GPT job? Some people were questioning whether his
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: mum wrote it. And that was a bit of a
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: dig because before he moved into Tammy's mansion on the
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: Gold Coast, he was living with his mum in Melbourne.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: What really stood out to me was the wording of
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: her three children, which was pretty upsetting, I think, because
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: he took on the role of stepfather and it's quite
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: clear he didn't really take it very seriously. Yeah, but
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: it would have been more bizarre if he said our
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: three children. True, but there's a way of saying it.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: It felt very cold and callous. What could be for
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: ourselves and the children? I mean, breakups aren't about winning,
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: but if you were putting those two announcements together, Tammy
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: is in the lead by a million miles. But I
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: think what it boils down to is this was a
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: rush job by Matt. He clearly didn't know Tammy was
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: going to go and put that TikTok out on Sunday. Yeah,
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: but in saying that, I think Tammy's announcement was very strong.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: It really humanized her I was pleasantly surprised by the reaction.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: I was a little bit worried about how hard people
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: would go on her, but I don't know if it's
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: just the era that we're in at the moment with
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: Indy Clinton calling out trolls and all of the Tattle
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: Life stuff that people are actually saying, oh, that's a
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: real person in the middle of this. Yeah, I think
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: it's because in the video, she actually owned up to things.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: She said, you know, it was my fault. I was
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: warned about this And it really humanised her. But also
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: it took away things that people can say to her
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: because she already said it. She's like, yeah, I get
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: swept up in this and I really need to learn
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: from it. You know, I thought I had grown but
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: clearly not. I think clearly Matt's got a bit of
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: work to do moving forward as well because I was
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: a little bit disappointed. While he was trying to push
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: on his Instagram story that things were okay between them,
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: he couldn't help but hit back at a commenter that
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: praised Tammy. So someone wrote, actually don't understand how this
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: man could or would want to stuff it up. Tammy
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: is a dream girl. To which Matt responded, you don't
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: know her. That's just low to go into the comment section. Well,
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: Matt also liked another comment, which read, finally, he's free.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: It's reminding me of Morgan Waterhouse, who was Olivia Rogers'
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: ex-behavior when they broke up. You know, when his immature
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: friends came out like, uh, she slept with this man.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: It's like, fuck off. Yeah. Do you think she's going
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: to come back from maternity leave early to do a
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: tell-all episode? I think so because this has turned into
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: very big news. I think the fact that they had
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: their wedding in Vogue as well has made this even
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: more of a national story. I mean, international even. It's
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: international news. And the timing of Tammy coming out and
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: confirming the divorce is quite interesting because just last week
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: she finally admitted that she was going through something tough
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: But she didn't really seem at a point where she
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: wanted to speak about it. However, all of a sudden
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: that changed on the weekend after Matt was spotted getting
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: cozy on Saturday night with a Tammy lookalike at the
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: LA Rams event in Melbourne. The woman in question is
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: News Corp sports journalist Taylor Little. And they clearly hit
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: it off because they were spotted together drinking at a
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: bar in Richmond following the event. Taylor even posted Matt
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: on an Instagram story. The pair follow each other. So
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: she shared a video of her and Matt at one
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: of the NFL activations and wrote, Matt Zukowski won't play
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: with me and tagged him. Now the story got swiftly deleted.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: I feel quite sorry for Taylor because it sounds like
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: she was at this event doing her job and now
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: she's suddenly at the center of this huge story. Amy,
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: I think you're being too kind. I think she put
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: herself in the center by tagging him in her Instagram story.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: There's flirtatious vibes to, oh, Matt Zukowski won't play with me.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Everyone is wondering what's going on with Matt and Tammy.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: And the fact that they were spotted together at the
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: bar was really not a good look. It wasn't a
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: good look, but Matt's the one who should be looking
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: out for Tammy. He's the one that's married to her.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: So it's on him if he's going to be spotted
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: out with a blonde Tammy lookalike. It's so awkward how
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: similar they look. We posted a photo of Taylor Little
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: on our Instagram and people were like, hang on, I
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: thought that was Tammy. Well, I was glad to see
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: that Tammy also had a good Saturday night because she
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: was at her best friend Isabel Law's birthday and And
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: Isabel was one of the first people to actually unfollow Matt. Yeah,
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: that's when people were like, oh, they definitely must be
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: broken up.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: She looked absolutely incredible. She was wearing this pink dress.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: A lot of people are saying it's her Princess Diana
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: revenge dress. Remember when Olivia Rogers came out with her
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: revenge dress? Yeah. I mean, at this point, I think
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: anytime you wear a dress after a breakup, people are like, oh,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: it's a revenge dress. Tammy was definitely showing off this outfit, though,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: because she posted a TikTok with the caption, been a minute,
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: makeup and a cute dress is therapy, I swear. She
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: also mimed to the Taylor Swift lyrics, only bought this
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: dress so you could take it off. Well, that's a
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: change because all she was listening to was Sabrina Carpenter's
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Maneater song previously. Poor Tammy. She's definitely in her Taylor
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Swift era at the moment. After the divorce announcement, she
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: posted a video of her miming to other Taylor Swift
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: breakup lyrics. I want to talk about the Vogue wedding
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: deal that Matt and Tammy had because there has been
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: a lot of speculation that they weren't announcing the news
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: of their breakup due to this deal. Yeah, because Vogue
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: exclusively covered their wedding back in November and it must
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: have been a pretty significant deal because Tammy and Matt
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: and also Vogue collaborated on their first wedding photo announcement post,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: which is a really big deal with Tammy having 17
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: million followers. So there was talk that maybe Vogue had
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: made them sign a contract that if they broke up,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: they couldn't announce it in a certain period of time.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: Like bachelor style.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: And last week I was on my high horse saying, oh,
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: there's no way that Vogue would be able to do that.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: But since then, I've come across the Vogue wedding curse
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: trend that has been circulating on TikTok. So a TikToker
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: called Georgie recently pointed out that Vogue weddings are likely
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: to end in short-lived marriages. So most of them end
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: in a quickie divorce, usually a year or less later.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: And editors at a publication called Air Mail went that
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: step further. They did their own investigation into it and
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: found at least 30 weddings Vogue covered. in the last
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: 10 years have ended in divorce. So some big-name divorces
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: include Jennifer Lopez and Ben Affleck as well as Ariana
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: Grande and Dalton Gomez. There was also Sophia Bush's wedding
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: that featured in there. I was thinking that maybe it
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: was because Vogue has started including influencer weddings that there's
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: been this huge drop. I hope it's not the case
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: because some very popular influencers' weddings have featured in Vogue recently,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: Em Davies and Nikki Westcott. Let's hope maybe Tammy Hembrough
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: has taken one for the team.
• 24:23
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: I've been on the hunt for the perfect seven-seater boss
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: mom car.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: Sarah's Day has unveiled her new car to her 1.2
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: million Instagram followers. Back in February, the self-proclaimed holistic health
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: princess launched an Instagram series test driving and reviewing luxury
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: family vehicles. Now, Sarah only ended up sharing two reviews,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: but it was a rating success. Yeah, both of those
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: reviews clocked up over a million views each and created
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: a lot of discussion online. While most people loved getting
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: a pervy look inside the luxury cars, others felt that
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: Sarah was being a little bit tone deaf by splashing
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: around her wealth. Now, Sarah isn't silly. She's been on
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: social media for 10 years and she preempted this negative
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: reaction before she even uploaded the first video. So she
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: assured her followers that she wasn't out of touch. In
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: saying that, the reviews of the luxury cars were pretty critical,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: but I suppose that's what she's there to do. It's
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: one of those things where I enjoyed watching the videos,
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: but I was also like, ugh. It's this strange thing,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: isn't it? I think that's a lot of social media. Yeah,
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: it's this weird thing where you're like, I'm really enjoying
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: seeing the luxury features, but I know I'm never going
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: to be able to afford it, so I'm a little
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: bit jealous. Now, Sarah ended up going with a brand
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: new Audi SQ7 sports model, the Turbo Twin Engine. I'm
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: pretending like I know what that means, but essentially the
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: engine is meant to be like a sports car. I
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: think everyone just wants to know, is this her ultimate
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: yummy mummy car? That's what she kept labelling it. Well,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: it's very nice. It's a very impressive seven seater car.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: There are a lot of luxury features. The one that
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: stood out to me was the massage chairs. What? Yeah.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: So you Imagine sitting there in peak hour traffic getting
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: a massage. I've heard of heated seats, but I actually
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: didn't even know you could get massage seats. The car,
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: of course, heats and cools the seats too. It also
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: has automatic soft closing doors, this massive fuck off sunroof
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: and an automatic opening boot. One thing that didn't really
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: tickle my fancy though, was it had bright red seatbelts.
• 26:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: I remember when I was looking for my car, The
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: top models all have like red stitching. I think it's
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: part of the sports model. I don't like it either. Yeah,
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: I'm not a massive fan of red and I think
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: maybe it's got that flashy value to it, but I
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: think it's going to get old, particularly because she vlogs
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: a lot in her car. Look, I wouldn't say no
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: to it. It reminds me of that TikTok video where
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: people show themselves walking on these really wealthy streets and
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: they're like, look what they did to the windows. I
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: wouldn't have done that. He also pointed out that the
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: brake calipers, whatever they are, they're near the wheel, Already
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: came in red, but if they hadn't, she would have
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: got them painted because that's what she normally does. Well,
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: if you're spending that much money on the car, I
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: can kind of see why you might want those little
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: details perfected. My biggest question, though, was how much did
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: this all cost? Because there was a disparity between prices
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: in her two reviews. Yeah, because the first car she
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: reviewed was a Lexus GX550, which cost around $ 130, 000, while
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: the other car was a seven-seater Range Rover. Which retailed
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: for $ 350, 000. Far out. You're just paying for the brand,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: aren't you? Oh, to be fair, that Range Rover was
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: absolutely incredible. It had like TV screens. It had a
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: fridge in it. It was very cool. Yeah, but they're
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: just all unnecessary extras. I mean, $ 350, 000. That is a
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: lot of money for a car. Yeah, well, the Audi
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: that she ended up getting cost around $ 175, 000 for the
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: base model. Is it bad that that seems reasonable after
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: hearing how much the Range Rover costs? I'm assuming Sarah
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: would have got the top model or close to it.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: When asked how she came to her decision with the
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: three cars she reviewed, Sarah wrote, Lexus wasn't as luxurious
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: as I wanted and didn't have all the extras. Range
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Rover was $ 100, 000 more and I couldn't justify that when
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: the Audi to me felt more me. sporty fast and
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: a bit unique I had to laugh that that's how
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: she describes herself I know you know when you realize
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: these people have way too much time on their hands
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: to think about how their car reflects them as a
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: person I mean that didn't come to mind when I
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: bought my new car no I mean it sounds like
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: she probably paid around 250 for the car I mean
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: It's not surprising. We know Sarah's day is a very
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: successful businesswoman. I mean, she bought her dad a car
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: for his birthday. Not just a car, an Aston Martin. Yeah,
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: but did you see she put up a vlog recently
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: and it was a trip that she and her family
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: went on to celebrate her mum's 60th and also her
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: sister's 30th birthday. Of course I know. They went to Fiji.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: We had a lot of controversy over our thoughts about
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: her taking her son out of school.
• 28:54
  Speaker 6: Oh, yes, of course.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: Course I was away for that episode, but I thoroughly
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: enjoyed the Fiji vlog. So maybe it was worth pulling
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: him out of school. I was just thinking, what's she
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: going to get her mum to top the Aston Martin?
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: But well, what she got her mum was a holiday.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: With her? Yeah, to Hamilton Island. And I think they're
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: staying at some really expensive hotel, but I thought surely
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: that holiday doesn't cost the same amount of money as
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: an Aston Martin perhaps she didn't want to share the
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: extra gift she'd gotten her. You're acting like the holiday
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: isn't enough as well.
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: It's incredible.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: Of course it's enough, but compared to a brand new car. Well,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: I suppose her mum kind of got the car too.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: She probably drives in it with her dad. Did you
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: see that Molly Mae's sister, Zoe Haig, she's bought this
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: big fuck off car as well?
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: Oh, really? Yeah.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: It just shows you how well her influencer career is going.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, to be skeptical, a lot of car brands
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: would want Zoe Haig driving in her car. So I'm
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: sure that there's a partnership element. I mean, originally when
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: Sarah launched this car series, there was a lot of
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: skepticism around how organic it was. A lot of people,
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: including myself, thought it was a paid partnership or she
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: was fishing around for a free car. Yeah, because her
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: husband Kurt had done a lot of work with Lexus.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: So we were assuming at the end of this car series,
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: it was going to be a Lexus, but we were wrong.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Maybe this was a legitimate series. Yeah, I was surprised
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: because when Sarah unveiled her new car on her Instagram reel,
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: she wrote in the caption, again, this isn't sponsored. I
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: paid for the car myself and have no affiliation with
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: any car brands. Oh, so you were just out of
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: touch thinking that people wanted to see you shop for
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: a luxury car. It wasn't actually a sponsored thing. Well,
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: I'm still a little bit skeptical because during the review video,
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: she also said this.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: Shout out to Giuseppe.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: Giuseppe, you're the man from Audi Sutherland.
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: You're a legend.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: A legend. Giuseppe himself also commented on the reel writing,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: an honest pleasure. Thanks for the mention and God bless
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: you and your family. Enjoy the car. And then she
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: wrote back the big dog himself. The dealership where Sarah
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: bought the car also got in on the action, commenting,
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: glad we could help you find the boss mom car
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: you deserve. They then reshared the reel to their story
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: and added a link to the website with the heading,
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: find yours today. Audi's official Instagram account also added flame
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: emojis to Sarah's post and she replied, now you can
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: send me to the F1 when you debut. Monaco, here
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: I come. So I don't know if it's a case
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: of the dealership and Audi jumping on board trying to
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: get some attention or Maybe Sarah got a bit of
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: a discount. I don't know. I just think that they're
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: up her ass because they've looked at her Instagram account
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: and seen that she's got like 1.2 million followers. Well,
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: a follower wrote, Audi should be paying for this plug,
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: to which Sarah replied, maybe I'll send them an invoice
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: and hope for the best. I also noticed in the
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: original reel that Sarah showed herself signing the paperwork at
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: the dealership to try and push that she did buy
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: the car herself. I just don't understand why these luxury
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: car brands would actually want to sponsor influencers though because
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: if you think about their following... It's very unlikely that, say,
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: one of Sarah's 25-year-old followers would then go out and
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: purchase a $ 175, 000 car. Maybe if you're a brand like
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: Mazda or... Yeah, but if they convert one person to
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: buying a $ 175, 000 car, it's pretty good. I just think
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: it would be more beneficial for... the more normal brands
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: to sponsor her like Mazda and Nissan, cars that the
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: everyday person can actually afford as opposed to these luxury
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: brands that just seem so out of reach for normal people.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: And I suppose that's probably why Sarah may have not
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: done a deal with a car brand because potentially she
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: didn't want to drive around in that type of car.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, she's been very judgmental when it comes to
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: Kia Carnival. So my husband would be furious. He had
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: been pushing me to buy a Kia Carnival when I
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: was looking. Well, they're not a cheap car either. And
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: initially when Sarah launched this series into reviewing cars, a
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: lot of people were like, oh, the Kia Carnival. And
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: she didn't speak very highly of them. So when she
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: finally shared what car she got, someone joked in the
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: comment section saying Kia Carnival is also a seven seater.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: And Sarah responded saying, the day you catch me driving
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: a Kia Carnival, assume I've been cloned or living against
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  Speaker 1: my free will. Another person also made a joke about
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  Speaker 1: the Kia Carnival and someone added a comment saying, apparently
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  Speaker 1: Sarah would rather walk than drive a Kia. Not fancy enough,
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  Speaker 1: doesn't scream money. And Sarah responded to that comment saying, nah,
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't walk, but I'd rather ride my fat boy
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  Speaker 1: bike with all three sons on my back. That just
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  Speaker 1: screams being out of touch, doesn't it?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And Kate, as somebody, you own a Kia car. I
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  Speaker 1: don't own a Carnival. I love my Kia Sportage. It's
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  Speaker 1: a great car. I think it won like. When I
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  Speaker 1: bought it, it was like SUV family car of 2023. Look,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think she's getting the popularity vote by slagging
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  Speaker 1: off the Kia, which a lot of her followers probably own. Well,
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  Speaker 1: that's where we're going to leave things today. Thank you
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