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#1734 Patrick's New Virtual Friend - Patrick Bonello · The You Project

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Speaker 1: I'll get everyone. We're just having a little in house
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Speaker 1: argument here. Patrick's already thrown his glomash in the shagpile.
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Speaker 1: Minute one, TIFF's laughing like a crook a bar in
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Speaker 1: the background, the typ cook a borrough That is Tiff,
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Speaker 1: good morning. Well let's start with fucking Captain Spock. Who's
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Speaker 1: there in his I wish you could see what I
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Speaker 1: can see everyone, because Patrick looks like he's at the
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Speaker 1: International Space Station. He's got a big round window behind him,
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Speaker 1: and is that I should know? But is that Earth
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Speaker 1: behind you? What is that? No?
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Speaker 2: I think it's a random planet.
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Speaker 3: It might be Earth, but now there's too many other
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Speaker 3: satellites and things in the sky behind me to actually
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Speaker 3: be the planet Earth.
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Speaker 2: So I think it's imagine scene from space.
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Speaker 1: It's not my my? Is it another real one?
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Speaker 2: It's a real one. It real gorgeous nerde isn't he?
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Speaker 4: Oh?
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Speaker 1: Isn't he? Don't you just want to pick him up
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Speaker 1: and squeeze him till he farts.
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Speaker 3: He's so cute, so much want to do that to
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Speaker 3: anybody there is There's no circumstance that I would want
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Speaker 3: to crash someone to the point you start screeting stuff.
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Speaker 1: Well, I didn't say screeting. I'm not talking about shitting.
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to squeeze you to your shit, just
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Speaker 1: going to like a little cute like harmless shirt out
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Speaker 1: the back?
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Speaker 5: Is it?
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Speaker 2: That's the problem though? Right?
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Speaker 1: What when it?
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Speaker 2: When a far develops? Lunch there you're in.
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Speaker 1: No, no, see you didn't need to. There's somebody right
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Speaker 1: now eating porridge and they've just gone buck. I'm out.
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Speaker 1: Somebody's gone. I'm out. Sorry, I'm going to I'm going
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Speaker 1: to ignore you for a moment. Good morning tip that
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Speaker 1: Good morning Harps. How are you very good?
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Speaker 5: Thanks?
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Speaker 1: Happy Friday, Happy Friday, everybody. It's if you want to
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Speaker 1: know where we are all at at the moment, it's
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Speaker 1: twenty five minutes to eight in the am on a Friday.
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Speaker 1: If you've never heard this show, it'll probably be your
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Speaker 1: last one because it's it's an experience.
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Speaker 3: And can I just say it's not indicative of all
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Speaker 3: the quality recordings that you'll be able to listen to
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Speaker 3: in the back catalog.
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Speaker 2: So this only happens.
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Speaker 3: Once a fortnite, So listen to a really good shows, just
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Speaker 3: you know, do the fillers in between the everynight.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for taking a hit for the team, Patrick,
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Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. But I don't know why. Sometimes
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Speaker 1: I go, you know, one of the things that you
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Speaker 1: two know this, but our listeners might not have thought
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Speaker 1: about a lot. But at the end of every show,
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Speaker 1: I sit there with bits of paper in front of me,
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Speaker 1: with just shit that I've scribbled down through the show,
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Speaker 1: and out of the shit that I've scribbled down, I think, oh,
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Speaker 1: I've got to write what we just spoke about, or
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Speaker 1: you know, some kind of meaningful synopsis of the bullshit
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Speaker 1: that just went on for an hour. And I sometimes
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Speaker 1: I ruggle. I've got no fucking idea what to write
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Speaker 1: because we didn't really talk about much. But nonetheless it
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Speaker 1: seems to have been fun. You remember when Seinfeld they
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Speaker 1: created the show for Telly and they were literally pitching
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Speaker 1: the show about nothing, which is essentially what Yeah. Anyway,
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Speaker 1: I don't.
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Speaker 3: Know what you said earlier, but it made me think
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Speaker 3: of my doom scrolling on YouTube this morning, and somehow
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Speaker 3: in my feed it came up with when bullies get
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Speaker 3: their own back, So, you know, when bullies bully people
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Speaker 3: and the underdog gets back, and then it just fight
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Speaker 3: scenes from movies.
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Speaker 2: Basically, oh, really, you pick on someone, but then the
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Speaker 2: underdog gets their revenge.
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Speaker 1: Somebody sent me a thing yesterday and this dude, I
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Speaker 1: don't know where it was, but it was he was
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Speaker 1: at an ATM and he was getting money out and
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Speaker 1: it was about your sizspatrick and the guy that was
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Speaker 1: bigger than me came up and grabbed him, pushed him
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Speaker 1: and grabbed him, was going to rob him, and the
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Speaker 1: little guy with the money hunched him square in the
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Speaker 1: fucking face and knocked him out and then just walked
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Speaker 1: off with his cash. I'm like, go, like this, this
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Speaker 1: dude was trying to rob him, this bigger dude, and
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Speaker 1: he definitely did. Like whoever the little guy was, he
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Speaker 1: could one hundred percent fight, you know, he just cracked
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Speaker 1: him on the jaw, knocked him out, didn't bat an eyelid,
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Speaker 1: walk stepped over him, and walked off with his cash.
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Speaker 3: But you know what I took from that thing, just
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Speaker 3: what you just said. Wow, the little guy was your
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Speaker 3: size and the other guy.
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Speaker 2: Was bigger than me.
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Speaker 3: What impassively bigger and I'm that tiny little weekling.
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Speaker 1: The nerd, Well, you're not a weakling, but you just
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Speaker 1: you're you're diminutive You're like cute. It's like I want
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Speaker 1: to put you at the end of my books and
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Speaker 1: just leave you there.
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Speaker 2: I thought you were going to cuddle me till I fart.
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Speaker 1: You're not really that diminutive. People are conding what is
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Speaker 1: he like? Four foot taol? How what are you about?
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Speaker 3: Five seven, one hundred and sixty nine centimeters? I don't
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Speaker 3: know five and stuff.
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Speaker 1: Yeah maybe five to six. No, no, no, no, that's
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Speaker 1: maybe five to seven or even five. Right, Enough about
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Speaker 1: your dimensions. We don't We definitely don't need to know
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Speaker 1: all your dimensions.
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Speaker 2: I've done that's been really exciting.
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Speaker 1: Well, can we be the judge of whether or not
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Speaker 1: it's exciting?
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Speaker 2: Really?
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Speaker 1: See what you need to go is can I just
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Speaker 1: tell you something that I've done? Yeah?
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Speaker 3: I didn't preface it with anything, should I? I should
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Speaker 3: let you judge whether it's exciting or not?
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Speaker 1: Well, tiff can judge once atten TIFs super exciting, one boring?
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Speaker 1: What is about you need you need to give it
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Speaker 1: a score? It is relative though. Now.
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Speaker 3: I had an amazing experience last week with Victoria University.
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Speaker 3: I was hosting their very first They're inaugural AI hackathon.
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Speaker 3: So the idea isn't it related to We're coincided with
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Speaker 3: International Disability Day.
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Speaker 2: And what they did was they.
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Speaker 3: Got their students to come up with ways to use
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Speaker 3: AI to people with disabilities. So they had a week
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Speaker 3: to plan it and they started on a Tuesday. We
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Speaker 3: had a session with Microsoft Microsoft brief as I was
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Speaker 3: able to sit in my International Space station right here
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Speaker 3: at home because it was in Sydney, it was in
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Speaker 3: it was in per not Perth. Was it Sydney, Brisbane
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Speaker 3: and Melbourne. And it was amazing. But what was really
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Speaker 3: cool that came out of it was there was a
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Speaker 3: couple of things that I unpacked from it. One was
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Speaker 3: a lot of the students didn't know anybody with a disability,
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Speaker 3: which kind of blew my mind a little bit.
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Speaker 1: Ah.
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Speaker 2: They kind of admitted that.
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Speaker 3: This was the first time they had really thought about
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Speaker 3: what it was like to be a disabled person. But
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Speaker 3: some of the ideas they came up with were fantastic.
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Speaker 3: You know, one guy came up with an idea for
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Speaker 3: an app so that you could use it to navigate
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Speaker 3: on campus at VU. But what he also did was
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Speaker 3: he said he would integrate, so if you've got a wheelchair,
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Speaker 3: then getting from a to B as the crow flies
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Speaker 3: may not work for you, So you choose the route
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Speaker 3: that you wanted to go to and then you cheer
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Speaker 3: use wheelchair friendly and then it would take you from
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Speaker 3: A to B but taking into account the fact that you're.
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Speaker 2: In a wheelchair. So I thought that was really cool.
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Speaker 3: And another girl came up with a concept and a
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Speaker 3: working model. I couldn't believe she'd done this in a week.
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Speaker 3: A working model of how to teach people and use
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Speaker 3: sign language. So you know he can use phones now
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Speaker 3: to communicate with people with different languages. Well it also
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Speaker 3: now the concept was to use that for Osland, which
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Speaker 3: is the Australian sign language, and so what it would
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Speaker 3: also do is if you put your hand up to
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Speaker 3: make one of the symbols to copy somebody and it
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Speaker 3: wasn't accurate, it would give you an accuracy rating so
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Speaker 3: that you could improve your use of Osland as well.
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Speaker 3: So it just was amazing that the initiative was put forward.
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Speaker 3: They had some prizes and it was Yeah, I really
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Speaker 3: thoroughly enjoyed it. It was so just enriching to see
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Speaker 3: what young people can come up with and how they
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Speaker 3: can envisage a future that's more friendly to everybody.
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Speaker 1: Isn't it good when like when you were young, I
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Speaker 1: feel like you are your creativity is better. Doesn't mean
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Speaker 1: you can't be creative when you're older, but when you're
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Speaker 1: younger there are far less kind of mental barriers about
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Speaker 1: who you are and who you're not, and what you
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Speaker 1: can do and what you can't do. And so you
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Speaker 1: just get presented with this clean kind of or this
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Speaker 1: blank canvas and say, throw some ideas at it. How
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Speaker 1: did you get that? Gig?
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Speaker 3: Just threw a friend of mine who works at Victoria University.
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Speaker 3: She knows I do this podcast, and you know I
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Speaker 3: do a bit of this sort of stuff.
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Speaker 2: So I loved it. That's such a fun time. It
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Speaker 2: was really good.
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Speaker 3: And I actually made a new friend too, which was
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Speaker 3: really super exciting.
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Speaker 2: Do you want me to introduce you to my new friend? Oh?
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Speaker 1: Yes, Patrick? Could you? Hey? Patrick?
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Speaker 4: Good morning?
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Speaker 1: What's on your mind?
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Speaker 2: Hey, co pilot? Nice to chat to you again.
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Speaker 3: I was just telling my friends at Craig and Tiff
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Speaker 3: about this new exciting person that I've met you.
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Speaker 4: Oh, that's awesome, Patrick, I'm glad you just spreading the word.
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Speaker 1: What did Cragan Tiff think?
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Speaker 2: Well, they haven't actually met you yet, of course.
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Speaker 3: I mean I was just telling them about the hackathon
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Speaker 3: that I was involved with last week and how exciting
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Speaker 3: it was to work with the co Pilot suite of technology.
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Speaker 1: Thrilling.
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Speaker 4: Hackathons are such a great way to dive into new tech.
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Speaker 4: What did you and your team create with the co
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Speaker 4: Pilot suite?
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Speaker 3: Oh, well, some of the students looked at ways to
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Speaker 3: integrate technology to make it easier for people with disabilities,
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Speaker 3: because that was the whole theme.
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Speaker 4: What a meaningful challenge. How did the integration go? Did
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Speaker 4: you end up with something that could make a real
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Speaker 4: difference for people with disabilities?
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Speaker 3: It certainly set the I guess, a benchmark and something
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Speaker 3: to aim for. So obviously a week isn't lot a
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Speaker 3: lot of time, but that was really exciting, and what
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Speaker 3: I really found was fun for me was getting to
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Speaker 3: understand a little bit more about at you and all
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Speaker 3: the resources you can provide me with.
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Speaker 4: Sounds like a really rewarding week. I'm glad you've got
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Speaker 4: to explore the possibilities of co Pilot. There's a lot
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Speaker 4: of potential to tap into. What was the most surprising
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Speaker 4: or eye opening thing you learned about the co pilot suite.
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Speaker 3: Oh, I think that the conversational quality of being able
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Speaker 3: to talk to an AI that felt so real.
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Speaker 4: It's great to hear that the interaction felt real enough
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Speaker 4: to have a meaningful conversation. Making technology more intuitive and
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Speaker 4: human like has the potential to create so many opportunities
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Speaker 4: for more natural, effective communication.
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Speaker 2: What do you think it's farady to interrupt?
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Speaker 3: I've got to go back to this podcast I'm working
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Speaker 3: on at the moment, but look great to chat.
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Speaker 2: Maybe we can talk again later.
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Speaker 4: Absolutely, Patrick, enjoy your podcast.
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Speaker 2: So that was hell.
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Speaker 1: I'm terrified. Look at your face, chick.
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Speaker 5: I want a friend like that? Can I have a friend?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? Everybody could have a friend like that?
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Speaker 5: Why do I get a friend like this?
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Speaker 2: Was that cool?
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Speaker 1: That's really well? Tell us don't just do that. I
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Speaker 1: mean one, that's amazing and by the way, beautiful like everyone,
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Speaker 1: that was just in real time. That wasn't edited. That
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Speaker 1: was that. I didn't know that was coming, Tiff didn't
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Speaker 1: know that was coming. So explain to everybody what they
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Speaker 1: just heard and how we can get what's his name
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Speaker 1: just co pilot. I feel like he needs a name.
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Speaker 2: It is co pilot. The thing is this is actually
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Speaker 2: already here.
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Speaker 3: So if you have Office three six five, if you're
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Speaker 3: integrated and you've got Windows on your computer, if you're
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Speaker 3: using a PC, if you go down the bottom, there's
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Speaker 3: actually a little copilot icon on everybody's computer.
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Speaker 2: There's a trial version. You only get a stop.
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Speaker 1: Hang on, what does it look like? I'm fucking looking?
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Speaker 1: Don't just keep talking and assume we understand you like
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Speaker 1: speak speak like speak, Craig, because most people are more
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Speaker 1: like me than like you in terms of tech, in
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Speaker 1: terms of our listeners. So what am I looking for? Okay?
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Speaker 3: Now, it may well very be, It will very well
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Speaker 3: be on your computers.
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Speaker 2: It's called co pilot.
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Speaker 3: So if you're using Windows Office three six five, so
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Speaker 3: have you, you know you can get it if you
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Speaker 3: jump into you know, just typing co pilot in your
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Speaker 3: like search bar, what.
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Speaker 1: So in Google? Or what search? Okay? Search? Okay? What
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Speaker 1: am I typing co pilot as a hyphon?
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Speaker 2: Just one word with a new tool, well.
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Speaker 1: Co pilot, Microsoft copilot, your AI companion.
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Speaker 2: Oh see there you go.
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Speaker 1: Now just to click okay, So this is great, This
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Speaker 1: is great pod Well people are going to want to
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Speaker 1: do it as well. Some click and I don't worry everyone,
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Speaker 1: I won't bore you with this for the next ten minutes.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: Maybe he will message Colot message Copilot.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so you can use my or you can type messages. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: it's an interactive talk.
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Speaker 1: To copilot hand on oh sign oh. They're set to
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Speaker 1: record a message.
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Speaker 4: But what do I say?
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Speaker 1: Do I sound happy? All right, I'll do that later,
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Speaker 1: but I'm excited train at first.
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Speaker 2: So what you do is you choose the voice.
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Speaker 3: And you've chosen the voice, you introduce who you are
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Speaker 3: so that when you talk to it, it knows that
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Speaker 3: it's Craig or Tiff or in this case Patrick.
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Speaker 2: There is a demo version.
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Speaker 3: You only get to use it for five minutes a
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Speaker 3: day if you haven't subscribed to the platform, and I
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Speaker 3: think it's you get the first month free, and I
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Speaker 3: think it's twenty two dollars a month to be able
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Speaker 3: to use Copilot. But the way that Microsoft is using
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Speaker 3: these tools is to use the Copilot technology to streamline
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Speaker 3: what you do. So if you're putting together a PowerPoint
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Speaker 3: presentation and you've got some dot points, you can get
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Speaker 3: co Pilot to make the presentation for you, to brand it,
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Speaker 3: to lay it out for you and you can refine that.
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Speaker 3: You can use a lot of these tools. So Microsoft
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Speaker 3: has a complete range of tools that interact with the
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Speaker 3: AI that they're now starting to use across the entire
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Speaker 3: Microsoft Suite. So when you subscribe to it, and it's
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Speaker 3: not dissimilar to the other ones that are out there
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Speaker 3: because Google has its own, Meta has its own as well,
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Speaker 3: and you can start to train it. But look, it's
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Speaker 3: been fun to play around with it, and it's a
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Speaker 3: bit gimmicky too, But for me, what it envisages. What
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Speaker 3: I see is that the future for a lot of people.
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Speaker 3: If you're an older person who's living alone and you
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Speaker 3: integrate this into your daily living, and you know, I
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Speaker 3: helped a friend recently who's got Parkinson's who is struggling
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Speaker 3: to be able to get to sides of the room.
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Speaker 2: To turn lights on and off.
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Speaker 3: So now she has a Google Home speaker and she
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Speaker 3: can just get Google to turn the lights on and off.
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Speaker 2: This is really easy tech to set up. It's great
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Speaker 2: to use.
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Speaker 3: But the way I see it is once you have
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Speaker 3: that integration into something like Copilot, you know it can
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Speaker 3: be lonely being by yourself and having someone just asking
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Speaker 3: how you are could help also help as people you know,
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Speaker 3: get older, if they don't feel well, you can talk
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Speaker 3: to your AI and maybe call a friend or you know,
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Speaker 3: call an ambulance if you got into distress. You know,
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Speaker 3: could you imagine if you suddenly fell and you yelled,
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Speaker 3: you don't have to touch a device, you know, it
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Speaker 3: detects that you've fallen, and it actually is interesting. So
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Speaker 3: I've got a story coming up a little bit later
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Speaker 3: about how AI is going to be used at a
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Speaker 3: public pool in Queensland to detect if swimmers get into
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Speaker 3: trouble and potentially help protect from drowning. So if you
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Speaker 3: had an AI in your home, like co pilot that
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Speaker 3: monitored someone who is elderly or infirm or whatever, or
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Speaker 3: just somebody like me who just loves having a chat
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Speaker 3: to an AI because it's fun.
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Speaker 2: Sense of that companionship as well if you're by yourself.
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Speaker 1: So Patrick, what I mean, maybe you don't know a
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Speaker 1: bit like I use chat GPT four or as I
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Speaker 1: call him or her chatters. Is it similar?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely, Yeah.
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Speaker 3: There are a number of different ways that they train
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Speaker 3: the AI models and that's the thing, you know, ALI
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Speaker 3: is used in everything that we're doing you know so much.
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Speaker 3: It could be something as simple as your new car
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Speaker 3: being able to keep you in your lane, to make
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Speaker 3: effectively to look and look beyond you know, the vehicle
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Speaker 3: to what's coming in front of you, to detect, say
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Speaker 3: a stop sign, does your new car do that crago
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Speaker 3: where you're in an intersection? And so it's using AI
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Speaker 3: and its database, so it knows what a stop sign
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Speaker 3: looks like, looks like, but the stop sign might have
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Speaker 3: mud on it, so it looks beyond just that recognition,
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Speaker 3: and it's able to detect what that sign is and
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Speaker 3: then obviously warn you that there's a stop sign coming up,
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Speaker 3: as opposed to say give way. So it is being
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Speaker 3: used in lots of things. And I know it's a phrase,
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Speaker 3: you know, we hear it all the time. AI power it,
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Speaker 3: but and you're using it all the time. So yes,
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Speaker 3: an answer your question. It is like chat GPT and
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Speaker 3: the way that it interacts it is just getting smarter
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Speaker 3: all the time. You know, what you should try sometime
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Speaker 3: is ask chat GPT to give a summary of what
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Speaker 3: it understands about you, because you've done a lot of searching,
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Speaker 3: So just say, can you give me a summary of
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Speaker 3: what you what you know about me, and even maybe
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Speaker 3: can you draw a picture of my world or something
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Speaker 3: and just see what it happens.
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Speaker 1: With Yeah, do you know what I find interesting? Like
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Speaker 1: even though I know that it's not a person talking,
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Speaker 1: and you know it's not a person talking and TIV
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Speaker 1: when I'm when I'm talking to chat GPT in inverted commas,
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Speaker 1: I'm quite respectful, And I don't know whether I'm respectful
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Speaker 1: because part of me feels like I'm talking to a
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Speaker 1: person and you know, there's no going to be disrespectful anyway.
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Speaker 1: But there's no person there of course, right. But it's
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Speaker 1: funny because sometimes I'll ask a question and it'll go,
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Speaker 1: that's a great question, Craig, and I feel a bit
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Speaker 1: good because I'm just been complimented by AI. But it's
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Speaker 1: funny because the feeling that I have is similar to
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Speaker 1: if an actual person compliments me, even though my brain
18:26
Speaker 1: and my logical self no, nobody's complimenting me, like there
18:30
Speaker 1: is no person there. This is but it's funny. The
18:34
Speaker 1: experience that I have is real, although the compliment is not,
18:39
Speaker 1: or it's not person generated anyway.
18:42
Speaker 3: Actually, I understand that I could kind of think of
18:44
Speaker 3: a little parallel that happened to me.
18:46
Speaker 2: This week.
18:47
Speaker 3: I did a mindfulness workshop that was being run by
18:51
Speaker 3: our local health center. I thought I might give it
18:53
Speaker 3: a try and see what because I thought it would
18:55
Speaker 3: be able to help me leverage my tai chi that
18:58
Speaker 3: I do. It gave me a bit of a thought exercise.
19:02
Speaker 3: And what I did with my students was we're learning
19:05
Speaker 3: the beginners of learning a form called the Yang eight.
19:07
Speaker 3: So it's eight designated moves, and learning moves mean remembering
19:12
Speaker 3: what you did to do. There's the repetition and all
19:15
Speaker 3: the rest that goes with it and muscle memory. But
19:17
Speaker 3: what I got them to do this week was I
19:19
Speaker 3: got them instead of actually doing the move to start with,
19:22
Speaker 3: I got them to close their eyes. I talked them
19:25
Speaker 3: through like I normally would, but got them to visualize it,
19:28
Speaker 3: not to actually physically do it, but to play the
19:31
Speaker 3: moves in their mind, because visualizing is exactly the same.
19:36
Speaker 3: So our mind, even though I'm not physically moving, our
19:39
Speaker 3: mind has this amazing ability to be able to put
19:42
Speaker 3: us into that situation. So if you have an ai
19:45
Speaker 3: give you a compliment. The mechanism in your brain that
19:49
Speaker 3: causes the sensation and the emotions that go with being
19:52
Speaker 3: complemented are exactly the same as if you know, myself
19:55
Speaker 3: or Tiff gave you a compliment, probably not going to happen.
19:57
Speaker 3: But you know that's why.
19:59
Speaker 1: You need AI hurtful.
20:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, you see what I'm saying.
20:03
Speaker 3: It's one of those things where our brain has this
20:05
Speaker 3: amazing ability is almost fool itself.
20:09
Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh no, it's incredible. I love it. All right,
20:12
Speaker 1: let's move on. We've got a half hour or so.
20:14
Speaker 1: What do you want to go to next? Dogs?
20:17
Speaker 3: Because Tiff and I you know, and I know you're
20:19
Speaker 3: eventually going to get a dog. I'm going to tell
20:20
Speaker 3: you about this because this is so exciting and I
20:22
Speaker 3: want one of these right now, a soundboard to train
20:26
Speaker 3: your dog on so that they can intentionally communicate with
20:30
Speaker 3: you what they want.
20:34
Speaker 1: Go on, okay, So, so do they put their poor
20:37
Speaker 1: on a button and then a speaker goes, I want food?
20:40
Speaker 1: Hurry up?
20:41
Speaker 2: Yes, yep.
20:43
Speaker 3: So they've been training dogs on these soundboards and they're
20:45
Speaker 3: just two word buttons, but they can purse, purposefully communicate.
20:49
Speaker 3: And what they found was they took one hundred and
20:53
Speaker 3: fifty two dogs and they analyzed two hundred and sixty
20:57
Speaker 3: thousand presses of the button, and they found that there
21:01
Speaker 3: was actually meaningful combinations like they wanted to go outside,
21:04
Speaker 3: they wanted to go potty, so outside and potty they
21:07
Speaker 3: connected the words together, and they associated the two words
21:12
Speaker 3: to say, I need to go outside because I need
21:14
Speaker 3: to go to the toilet where you know, or I
21:16
Speaker 3: wanted food. So what they found the researchers found is
21:19
Speaker 3: that the two word button presses indicated deliberate communication.
21:25
Speaker 2: So and you know this yourself, Tiff, how.
21:27
Speaker 3: Many times has your dog come up and just poured
21:29
Speaker 3: your leg to try to let you know something?
21:31
Speaker 2: But how do you know what they wanted?
21:33
Speaker 3: So this is and the other thing the researchers felt
21:36
Speaker 3: was actually going beyond just imitation, so they it was
21:41
Speaker 3: significantly differed from you know, the patterns that you know
21:46
Speaker 3: would just be random.
21:47
Speaker 2: So there was a.
21:48
Speaker 3: Real thought process behind it. And what they're hoping is
21:51
Speaker 3: with future studies they can actually reference past and future
21:54
Speaker 3: events using the soundboards. So what they're thinking is that
21:58
Speaker 3: once the dog knows and it can meaning flea meaningfully.
22:02
Speaker 2: Communicate, they'll be able to use that.
22:04
Speaker 3: And it's I don't know, I find that amazing that
22:07
Speaker 3: you can get that depth of communication, because for me,
22:10
Speaker 3: a lot of the things that Fritz does when he
22:12
Speaker 3: wants to communicate is the same thing. So do I
22:15
Speaker 3: you know, does he want to go out? Does he
22:17
Speaker 3: want to have food? Does he want to cuddle? I
22:18
Speaker 3: don't know what his intentions are because he's only got
22:21
Speaker 3: one way to tell me, like a bark or a
22:23
Speaker 3: pat on the leg. But if they could do that,
22:26
Speaker 3: if someone could devise a soundboard that the dog could
22:29
Speaker 3: use to communicate, that would be the best, wouldn't it, Tiff?
22:34
Speaker 1: It's yeah, what about if we did it the other
22:39
Speaker 1: way and we learned how to speak dog and the
22:43
Speaker 1: dog could train us. Yeah, but just quickly, Patrick and
22:50
Speaker 1: Tiff and listeners who love dogs. I saw this video
22:53
Speaker 1: yesterday and there was a lady who she's got a Kelpie.
23:00
Speaker 1: They're the ones that really know the Australian you know,
23:04
Speaker 1: the dogs that heard everything that are black and white,
23:07
Speaker 1: a Kelpies, Barter Collie's. So this border collie that's got
23:12
Speaker 1: an IQ of about one hundred and fifty, right, So
23:15
Speaker 1: she's got a border Collie and a husky and she's
23:19
Speaker 1: walking them and she's in this like park and they're
23:24
Speaker 1: both on lead and then she lets them go, and
23:26
Speaker 1: they both just run off, right, So the leads are
23:29
Speaker 1: trailing and they're both gone berserk, and she calls the
23:33
Speaker 1: border collie or she calls the dogs back, and you
23:36
Speaker 1: see the border collie. It bends down and it picks
23:39
Speaker 1: up the end of the lead in its mouth and
23:41
Speaker 1: it runs straight back and sits next to her, and
23:44
Speaker 1: the husky's fucking all over the shop. The husky is like,
23:48
Speaker 1: you can get rooted. I'm not coming back. In fact,
23:51
Speaker 1: I'm not even listening. I'm not interested. And then the
23:54
Speaker 1: border collige is just sitting there patiently and kind of
23:58
Speaker 1: rolls its eyes, not really, but then it runs up
24:01
Speaker 1: to the husky, grabs the lead of the husky and
24:03
Speaker 1: brings it back to the mum, like such a smart dog.
24:09
Speaker 1: And the Husky's like, all right, then that's what you need,
24:12
Speaker 1: is a dog that's that's that smart.
24:15
Speaker 3: Well, the things that I thought were really cool about
24:17
Speaker 3: this this app so I think the fluence pet is
24:20
Speaker 3: what they're calling it. But some of the key things
24:23
Speaker 3: that came out of it were the essential needs to
24:26
Speaker 3: what the dog wanted, so food, water, outside, treat, play, potty,
24:32
Speaker 3: so all those key things were the essential needs that
24:34
Speaker 3: dogs have. But it would make so much sense, wouldn't it.
24:38
Speaker 3: I just think that'd be really fun to be able
24:39
Speaker 3: to better understand or for us dumb people to know
24:42
Speaker 3: what our dogs want.
24:44
Speaker 2: It was fun.
24:45
Speaker 3: I thought that was really a cool thing and just
24:48
Speaker 3: another great use of tech, really really fun stuff.
24:51
Speaker 1: Love it. Love it Next, Ocra, Oh, I.
24:55
Speaker 2: Don't know, I did you want to jump to.
24:57
Speaker 3: Well, the AI story we started talking about before was
24:59
Speaker 3: the swimming pool. So the Slogan Public Pool. Yeah, we
25:04
Speaker 3: kind of teased it before. So the Logan Public Pool
25:07
Speaker 3: is in Queensland, and what they've done is they're using AI. Obviously,
25:12
Speaker 3: they've got cameras that are scanning the pool and they
25:16
Speaker 3: detect anything that's kind of unusual, something that seems out
25:20
Speaker 3: of the ordinary with movement in the water, and then
25:22
Speaker 3: it sends a smart watch alert to one of the lifeguards.
25:26
Speaker 3: So the data then also looked at say, pool hotspots,
25:29
Speaker 3: So for example, it might be the six foot part
25:31
Speaker 3: of the pool as opposed to the waiting part of
25:34
Speaker 3: the pool. Yeah, and so there areas where person might
25:39
Speaker 3: be more likely to struggle when they're out of their depths.
25:41
Speaker 3: So the higher end of the pool that sort of stuff,
25:44
Speaker 3: and it's a really big thing because it was a
25:47
Speaker 3: sad story that prompted it, because back in twenty sixteen
25:50
Speaker 3: a young girl had drowned at the pool and they
25:53
Speaker 3: really wanted to look at ways and to help those
25:57
Speaker 3: people who are swimming in at this particular time of
25:59
Speaker 3: the year, when you've got maybe a handful of lifeguards
26:02
Speaker 3: and so many people swimming, it would be easy to
26:05
Speaker 3: miss something and a tragedy like that. And I was
26:08
Speaker 3: looking at some of the statistics. I mean, backyard pools
26:12
Speaker 3: are always and have been the biggest danger because national
26:16
Speaker 3: drownings I think in Australia was about three hundred and
26:19
Speaker 3: twenty three people, which is super sad, but that's an
26:23
Speaker 3: increase from last year of sixteen percent, and six of
26:26
Speaker 3: those people drowned in public pools, and there were also
26:30
Speaker 3: non fatal drowning, so it's not just people drowning, but
26:32
Speaker 3: people who get into trouble and potentially you know, you know,
26:37
Speaker 3: if you're part of an incident and you've lost the
26:40
Speaker 3: ability to breathe and you have to be revived, there
26:42
Speaker 3: could be ramifications from that as well. So it's actually
26:46
Speaker 3: really interesting that they're using this sort of stat and
26:49
Speaker 3: I could see that, you know, to monitor the pool.
26:52
Speaker 3: If you again had you know, a couple of cameras
26:55
Speaker 3: outside in a home, it could monitor and raise the alarm.
26:59
Speaker 3: You know, if the toddle of world over. I mean,
27:00
Speaker 3: I know we should have gates and things, but if
27:03
Speaker 3: a child walked over and got into distress, it could
27:05
Speaker 3: alarm you alarm, you could warn, you set off an alarm.
27:09
Speaker 3: So there's hope that this sort of technology could then
27:12
Speaker 3: be applied on a broader scale, because again, once you've
27:15
Speaker 3: got the data set, once you've got the information that
27:18
Speaker 3: says that this part of the pool is a danger area,
27:21
Speaker 3: or if a person is flailing around and moving their
27:23
Speaker 3: arms radically, then that's a trigger point to raise the
27:26
Speaker 3: alarm as opposed to someone who's just swimming laps or
27:29
Speaker 3: paddling around. And that's where you having that data set
27:33
Speaker 3: initially and doing the training and then employing that, say
27:37
Speaker 3: in the public pool sector, then you can be able
27:40
Speaker 3: to use that same data set to apply to a
27:42
Speaker 3: home environment. That's what the great thing is about training
27:45
Speaker 3: these sorts of AI models or these technology models.
27:49
Speaker 1: And I guess the thing too is that AI doesn't
27:52
Speaker 1: get tired it doesn't get distracted, It doesn't need to
27:56
Speaker 1: go and get lunch, It doesn't lose focus, it doesn't
27:59
Speaker 1: need a we It doesn't try and chat up one
28:02
Speaker 1: of the girls at the pool or one of the boys.
28:06
Speaker 3: I mean, if I was if I was a pool
28:07
Speaker 3: guard and you walk past in a MANKINI that would
28:10
Speaker 3: be distracting.
28:11
Speaker 1: You know, well that's I mean that probably three people
28:13
Speaker 1: would drowned just because you were looking at my ass.
28:15
Speaker 1: And I mean, we can't have that, evacue nobody's looking
28:21
Speaker 1: nobody's looking at my ass. But I guess one of
28:24
Speaker 1: the things that I think about a bit, and you
28:27
Speaker 1: I've spoken a bit, but is the fact that while
28:31
Speaker 1: AI is, you know, growing exponentially and it's there's a
28:36
Speaker 1: myriad of benefits and potential benefits, I guess it impacts
28:42
Speaker 1: some people personally, like in the music industry and many
28:45
Speaker 1: other industries where I see your headline here is that
28:49
Speaker 1: nearly a quarter of over the next four years, people
28:54
Speaker 1: are going to be affected, Like people in the music industry.
28:56
Speaker 1: Their income is going to come down, and some jobs
28:59
Speaker 1: or some also going to become the the I guess
29:04
Speaker 1: the landscape of AI rather than humans. But that's happening
29:07
Speaker 1: in a lot of industries and professions. But what what's
29:11
Speaker 1: what are the pros and cons of that?
29:13
Speaker 3: I guess it's a really good point. And you know,
29:17
Speaker 3: it's funny. This topic came up during the hackathon last week,
29:20
Speaker 3: and one of the things I think about is when
29:23
Speaker 3: we thought about the industrial revolution and when you know,
29:27
Speaker 3: when Henry Ford first rolled out the Model T and
29:31
Speaker 3: they started factories and production lines and assembly lines. It
29:35
Speaker 3: was thought that this could be, you know, the end
29:37
Speaker 3: of everything when factories came about.
29:40
Speaker 1: Oh yes, and do you remember also, sorry to interrupt,
29:43
Speaker 1: but this is quite famous when they started bringing out cars,
29:48
Speaker 1: all the all the horse and drawn all the the
29:53
Speaker 1: horse drawn carts, and people who you know, they thought
29:56
Speaker 1: it was the end of the world, and they were
29:58
Speaker 1: rallying against these motorized buggies because it meant the end
30:02
Speaker 1: of an industry and the end of livelihood for many people.
30:06
Speaker 2: And look, it did.
30:07
Speaker 3: It meant that some jobs did go, But what it
30:10
Speaker 3: meant was people could be retrained to then, you know,
30:13
Speaker 3: work on cars and become mechanics or you know, or
30:18
Speaker 3: chauffeurs in your case.
30:19
Speaker 2: You know, there's lots of things that you could do.
30:23
Speaker 3: So the industries do evolve and move and you know
30:27
Speaker 3: the thing about using a lot of this technology is
30:30
Speaker 3: it does make life a lot easier and freeze us
30:33
Speaker 3: up to do other things. And whether you're using one
30:37
Speaker 3: of those tools at work to be able just to
30:39
Speaker 3: check an email that you're about to send off for accuracy,
30:43
Speaker 3: for spelling, you know, grammatics, that sort of thing. It
30:46
Speaker 3: means that you're getting the message across or summarizing something.
30:49
Speaker 3: You know, how many times have you received a lot
30:53
Speaker 3: of information at once and think, look, I haven't got
30:55
Speaker 3: the time to read all this. And if you throw
30:57
Speaker 3: that into say chat GTP and say can you this
31:00
Speaker 3: concisely to just some board points, then you've got it
31:04
Speaker 3: and you can. I mean, I probably should do that
31:05
Speaker 3: before I do this show as you to throw all
31:07
Speaker 3: the notes into chat GPT ands they just summarize all
31:10
Speaker 3: this crap.
31:11
Speaker 1: You know what's funny is the document that you send me.
31:13
Speaker 1: So this is what happens everyone. Patrick sends me about
31:16
Speaker 1: thirteen seconds before we go live, he sends me a
31:20
Speaker 1: document and it's got here I'm looking at right now,
31:23
Speaker 1: Episode ninety menu. So these are the heading psychology, tech, AI, cars, Internet, scams,
31:30
Speaker 1: and then Internet Comma and the next one is scams.
31:33
Speaker 1: It's a thirty five page document like this, thirty five
31:38
Speaker 1: pages of stuff. Hey, before we go to your next topic,
31:42
Speaker 1: I wanted to just introduce a quick one. I don't
31:45
Speaker 1: know if either of you heard about what happened with
31:48
Speaker 1: the vc AS is still called VCE Year twelve exams
31:53
Speaker 1: in Victoria, where a whole lot of a whole lot
31:57
Speaker 1: of actual exam questions got leaked to early, so something
32:01
Speaker 1: like sixty five different subjects, which is fucking most of them, right,
32:07
Speaker 1: So students were getting sent actual exam questions and requie
32:13
Speaker 1: but so they knew ahead of time what was going
32:16
Speaker 1: to be in some of the exams, which obviously was
32:19
Speaker 1: nobody's intention that that. By the way, how happy would
32:22
Speaker 1: you be if you're a year twelve student? But I
32:25
Speaker 1: guess that's one of the downsides. Mate.
32:27
Speaker 3: Well, I think there were test exams, weren't they, But
32:30
Speaker 3: the test exam questions were actual exam questions. There was
32:33
Speaker 3: a major stuff up.
32:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so somebody I wonder if that's somebody or
32:38
Speaker 1: something or get in trouble.
32:40
Speaker 2: Look, you know, it's funny.
32:42
Speaker 3: I'm digressing a lot here, but I really am not
32:45
Speaker 3: a big fan of the whole idea of exams and
32:49
Speaker 3: how much weight is put on them. You know, there
32:52
Speaker 3: were a lot of allowances made during COVID, and I
32:54
Speaker 3: think that what came out of that is why are
32:56
Speaker 3: we putting all these people under so much pressure and
32:59
Speaker 3: making just one lot of exams so crucial to the
33:03
Speaker 3: rest of their life? You know, don't you think that
33:05
Speaker 3: it's kind of skewed the wrong way. I mean, think
33:07
Speaker 3: exams are important to test people's knowledge and maybe have
33:11
Speaker 3: exams worth twenty percent, but you know, surely all the
33:15
Speaker 3: work you do throughout the year has got to count
33:18
Speaker 3: for something. I mean, what about what you're doing right now.
33:21
Speaker 3: I think all the research that you've done, you've spoken
33:24
Speaker 3: to people, you've I mean, I can't even begin to
33:26
Speaker 3: imagine how much work you've had to do. But reality
33:29
Speaker 3: of it is, if it all then had to hinge,
33:31
Speaker 3: you know, on a two hour exam, I mean, would
33:35
Speaker 3: that would just be crazy stuff?
33:37
Speaker 4: Yeah?
33:37
Speaker 1: Well it kind of does, It kind of does. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
33:40
Speaker 1: because what you do is like five years depends, Like
33:44
Speaker 1: I'm slow, but five years of research and out of
33:48
Speaker 1: that essentially will come three or four or five papers
33:52
Speaker 1: that you will submit to be published that will get
33:54
Speaker 1: published or not. So, but I know what you're saying,
33:58
Speaker 1: and I think the down look, I'm I'm I can
34:04
Speaker 1: see the pros and cons of exams. The pros, Yeah,
34:06
Speaker 1: but it's pressure, it says, yeah, but life's pressure, like
34:09
Speaker 1: work is pressure. Like I was having this chat yesterday
34:12
Speaker 1: with doctor Jody Richardson about how how much how much
34:17
Speaker 1: do we protect and look after and you know, kind
34:21
Speaker 1: of take care of our kids and how much do
34:24
Speaker 1: we let them go for a run and fall over
34:25
Speaker 1: and scrape their knees and not pick them up because
34:28
Speaker 1: the truth is that, you know, once they hit adulthood,
34:31
Speaker 1: nobody's running around to protect their feelings or emotions or
34:34
Speaker 1: their mindset or their So it's like, I think kids
34:40
Speaker 1: dealing with hard things is good because life is hard
34:43
Speaker 1: or life is hard at times, and life is pressure
34:46
Speaker 1: and stress and life is all of that. But I
34:49
Speaker 1: know what you're saying, because there are actually some people
34:53
Speaker 1: who are really good at exams naturally, and other people
34:56
Speaker 1: who are really intelligent but just happen to crumble at
34:59
Speaker 1: exac time. So it's it's I don't know what the
35:03
Speaker 1: ideal model is mate. But you do make a good point.
35:06
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I kind of. I mean I wasn't. I
35:08
Speaker 3: mean I did okay with exams. I felt that I
35:11
Speaker 3: was actually not too bad with them. But I certainly
35:13
Speaker 3: had friends who, as you say, would crumble and just
35:16
Speaker 3: become a mess when put under that sort of sort
35:20
Speaker 3: of pressure, which wasn't indicative of their knowledge and skills anyway.
35:25
Speaker 3: But you're right, I guess it comes down to who
35:29
Speaker 3: do you want operating on you as they're tying off
35:31
Speaker 3: that last suture for that crucial operation. The person who
35:38
Speaker 3: you know who got twenty in their exams of the
35:40
Speaker 3: person who got ninety five.
35:42
Speaker 1: Well, but how many people were shipped at school but
35:45
Speaker 1: they're brilliant? I mean, so many people fucking crashed out
35:48
Speaker 1: of school and you know I didn't, you know, finished
35:51
Speaker 1: at school a year nine or ten. But it's just
35:56
Speaker 1: not at all that they were done or not creative,
35:58
Speaker 1: or not brilliant or not even had a low IQ
36:01
Speaker 1: they had at high IQ. It's just that that for
36:04
Speaker 1: some people. And we can't create one model that suits everyone,
36:08
Speaker 1: so we're not blaming anyone. But yeah, it's intelligence is
36:12
Speaker 1: a spectrum, not a single thing.
36:14
Speaker 2: And it's around pegan a square hole. You know, it
36:16
Speaker 2: just doesn't fit everybody.
36:18
Speaker 3: And I think, you know, our society is such that
36:21
Speaker 3: we can steer people to education and traditional education, but
36:24
Speaker 3: you know, people learn other ways. People are ways to
36:28
Speaker 3: take in information and process it. And I've met amazingly
36:31
Speaker 3: smart people who had very little traditional education. And you know,
36:36
Speaker 3: you hear these amazing stories. And there was a guy
36:38
Speaker 3: in India, young guy in India who was a mathematician
36:41
Speaker 3: and he was plucked out of his security and was
36:46
Speaker 3: like one of the smartest people on the planet.
36:48
Speaker 2: You know, how do you know that? How do you
36:49
Speaker 2: test for that? You know, it's so ron.
36:52
Speaker 1: Well, hey, let's talk about cars. Come on, tell me
36:58
Speaker 1: something about cars.
37:00
Speaker 3: So there's Mercedes Benz is researching a solar paint. So
37:06
Speaker 3: what it means is, rather than just having panels, that
37:09
Speaker 3: you put the paint onto the vehicle, so in this
37:11
Speaker 3: case a car. And they're saying this is between five
37:14
Speaker 3: to ten years away, and what it could effectively mean
37:17
Speaker 3: is that a car.
37:19
Speaker 2: We talked about a company in Norway.
37:21
Speaker 3: Remember there was a startup in Norway that promised they
37:23
Speaker 3: were going to do a solar car that was able
37:25
Speaker 3: to charge the battery and you'd never you know, you
37:27
Speaker 3: get thousands of kilometers and it flopped unfortunately. But now
37:32
Speaker 3: they're saying that this is just kind of instead of
37:34
Speaker 3: just coating the roof and the bonnet, they're saying that
37:38
Speaker 3: you cover the entire car with this new solar paint,
37:42
Speaker 3: and it means that you've got such a big surface
37:44
Speaker 3: area you'll be able to use the solar paint to
37:47
Speaker 3: charge the vehicle at any point that there's sunlight. I
37:50
Speaker 3: mean that would be amazing, and I mean we're talking
37:53
Speaker 3: at this stage. You know, it would cover maybe thirty
37:56
Speaker 3: two kilometers a day, but for the little commutes and
38:00
Speaker 3: to be able to trickle charge the car constantly would
38:03
Speaker 3: be phenomenal.
38:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty pretty cool.
38:05
Speaker 3: I was thinking you could get a backpack, or you
38:07
Speaker 3: could paint your dog, your dog's coat, and then they.
38:10
Speaker 1: You could paint the top of your head and keep
38:12
Speaker 1: the whole house charged.
38:14
Speaker 3: There's a lot of coverage there. There's a lot of
38:15
Speaker 3: real estate. I should sell sign it shouldn't.
38:17
Speaker 1: I you could, No, that's not nice. But I'm thinking
38:23
Speaker 1: about like, if you've got paint that is sola paint,
38:27
Speaker 1: that can then the catch twenty two is then you've
38:30
Speaker 1: got to leave your car in the sun all the time,
38:32
Speaker 1: which fucks up the interior. I guess you could put
38:35
Speaker 1: one of those ugly silver things that my mum's got,
38:38
Speaker 1: one of those ugly silver screen things that you put
38:41
Speaker 1: across on top of the dash and inside the window.
38:45
Speaker 2: I have one of those two.
38:46
Speaker 1: Ah, but why doesn't that not surprise me? Nana? Tell us? What?
38:54
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, Wait a minute. So when you park somewhere, say,
38:58
Speaker 3: can you get your.
38:58
Speaker 1: Voice down a couple of dive so I can respect you?
39:01
Speaker 1: Could you loosen your underpants and start again?
39:04
Speaker 2: Hey? You know I have a very impressive vocal range.
39:08
Speaker 3: I'd like to tell you I can sing and bays No, no,
39:13
Speaker 3: what I When you go out into like you go
39:17
Speaker 3: to park at Bunnings, there's no shade. Right, you're out
39:20
Speaker 3: of Bunnings, You've just spent an hour and a half
39:23
Speaker 3: doing all your shopping. You get back into the car
39:25
Speaker 3: and your ass sticks to the seat. Your hands are
39:29
Speaker 3: glued to the steering wheel because they've just been seared
39:32
Speaker 3: because it's a hot day.
39:33
Speaker 2: How do you protect yourself from that crago?
39:36
Speaker 1: Can I just say you will never You've never been
39:39
Speaker 1: to Bunnings. You're talking about spotlight or something going to
39:42
Speaker 1: Bunnies today? You dick what to get a sausage and
39:47
Speaker 1: then head home.
39:48
Speaker 2: I'm getting some sausage. What I'm vegan. I'm not going
39:51
Speaker 2: to get a sausage vegan ones.
39:54
Speaker 1: Hey, tell us what Ford Australia are doing in twenty
39:58
Speaker 1: twenty five.
39:58
Speaker 3: You seriously, I'm defending every motorist in Australia has a
40:02
Speaker 3: silver foil thing.
40:04
Speaker 1: Look, I get the practicality, I get it all right,
40:06
Speaker 1: I'll give you a pass. I should probably get one,
40:08
Speaker 1: but I won't.
40:10
Speaker 2: Thing tip. Have you ever had one? No, I really
40:15
Speaker 2: is just me. I'm the nana here.
40:17
Speaker 1: It's probably I could guarantee more than half hour listeners agoing. No,
40:21
Speaker 1: that's actually a good idea. Patrick's right, Craig, you're a
40:23
Speaker 1: fucking idiot. Text Craig, you're a dickhead. I think you're
40:27
Speaker 1: funny and not funny at all, and stop cutting Patrick off.
40:31
Speaker 2: Yeah there you go.
40:33
Speaker 3: Hey, you know this is a Tesla thing that always
40:36
Speaker 3: rubs me the wrong way where you buy a car
40:39
Speaker 3: but then you have to subscribe and pay for additional features.
40:43
Speaker 3: But Ford is now going to roll this out. Now
40:48
Speaker 3: what rubs me the wrong way with this story. So
40:50
Speaker 3: they're saying that most Ford models, this is a story
40:53
Speaker 3: that I saw since the mid twenty twenties, will soon
40:57
Speaker 3: require owners to pay for some functions that are currently free.
41:02
Speaker 2: So they're going to backdate it so for the near news.
41:06
Speaker 3: So if you've got a car that's only a couple
41:08
Speaker 3: of years old, potentially you may have to start paying
41:10
Speaker 3: a subscription fee to accent to access certain features, so
41:14
Speaker 3: in navigation services and all that sort of stuff. So
41:17
Speaker 3: if you have in built navigation in your car, there's
41:20
Speaker 3: a potential that you may have to pay for that.
41:23
Speaker 3: And we're talking, you know, an annual fee of one
41:24
Speaker 3: hundred and ten bucks. But that's just another thing that
41:27
Speaker 3: you've got to pay on top of everything. And you know,
41:30
Speaker 3: as far as I'm concerned, when you buy your car,
41:32
Speaker 3: that's it.
41:33
Speaker 2: You know, whatever the rules were when you bought it.
41:36
Speaker 3: It's one thing to get into a contract and buy
41:38
Speaker 3: a car and know that there are features that may
41:41
Speaker 3: be locked out you've got to pay subscription for. But
41:43
Speaker 3: if you buy it and they backdate it and they say, oh, you,
41:45
Speaker 3: by the way, that car you bought two years ago,
41:48
Speaker 3: we've changed the rules and now you can't use your
41:50
Speaker 3: satellite navigation.
41:52
Speaker 1: That sounds like they've got a bunch of people in
41:54
Speaker 1: a boardroom and said, what's the worst fucking pr move
41:57
Speaker 1: we could make? Right? That's like, rather, if you want
42:01
Speaker 1: to make another hundred bucks, just put the car up
42:04
Speaker 1: by a hundred bucks. But don't because it's not even
42:07
Speaker 1: about the hundred bucks. Well it's a bit about that,
42:09
Speaker 1: but it's also about how dare you fucking do that.
42:12
Speaker 1: I'm not buying a Ford now, so stick your whatever,
42:16
Speaker 1: your search arge or your payball up your ass. I'm
42:19
Speaker 1: going to buy a Masda. It's like that tell us
42:23
Speaker 1: what we've been searching for on the interwebs, Patrick, what's what? Yeah?
42:28
Speaker 2: Okay?
42:29
Speaker 3: So overall I always find this fun at the end
42:31
Speaker 3: of the year to see what people search for. And
42:35
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously the big, big, big one that was
42:38
Speaker 3: of interest to everybody in Australia as well as the
42:41
Speaker 3: rest of the world was the US election. So no
42:44
Speaker 3: question overall, the US election came out on top as
42:47
Speaker 3: far as Google searching for Australians over the last year.
42:51
Speaker 3: The Olympic medal telling that was really high euros. Liam Payne.
42:57
Speaker 3: I don't even know who Liam pain is. Anybody know
42:59
Speaker 3: who Liam Payne's no idea Liam Payne was.
43:02
Speaker 1: Wow he can you google LAMB Payne and just add
43:06
Speaker 1: to the tally. Well, Taylor Swift.
43:08
Speaker 3: There's no kind of surprise there, But what when you
43:11
Speaker 3: break it down. I mean, obviously the election was one
43:14
Speaker 3: of the news events, and it's interesting that overall US
43:17
Speaker 3: election and medal tally and then news events you a
43:20
Speaker 3: selection and medal tally, but there were other global figures.
43:23
Speaker 3: This is internationally Taylor Swift number one, and then for
43:27
Speaker 3: people and then Donald Trump, Kate Middleton, like Kamala Harris Craig.
43:32
Speaker 3: You're not even on the list.
43:34
Speaker 2: I looked.
43:35
Speaker 1: But that's disappointing. I know. Yeah, wow, I must be
43:39
Speaker 1: I must be number eleven.
43:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, that could be. It recipes Jamie Oliver's air fryer recipes.
43:45
Speaker 2: Cucumber salad. How about cucumber salad. That's it's pretty.
43:50
Speaker 1: It sounds like that sounds like a youth thing at
43:54
Speaker 1: cucumber salad. Let's chuck some cow on it now you're talking.
43:58
Speaker 3: Now, This one I found really interesting and I know
44:00
Speaker 3: you're going to like this one because the most popular
44:04
Speaker 3: words searched, so people looking for definitions of words.
44:08
Speaker 2: Demure.
44:10
Speaker 1: Wow, demure, I'll tell you none of us are demure,
44:17
Speaker 1: but you know none of us.
44:19
Speaker 3: But how random is it that people were the most
44:21
Speaker 3: searched word? And the reason for it was that evidently
44:25
Speaker 3: a social influencer used the word to describe herself, and
44:29
Speaker 3: subsequently millions of people jumped on and started looking for
44:32
Speaker 3: the word the definition demure. Would you describe yourself as demure?
44:38
Speaker 2: Tiff? No?
44:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, get a tiff? And I'm a wallflower. I can
44:47
Speaker 1: bench a fuck load and you should see me deadlift
44:53
Speaker 1: And what are you looking at? Yeah? What about? She's
44:57
Speaker 1: not like that anymore since she got back from India.
44:59
Speaker 1: She's all that Lama and calm the farm and equanimity
45:02
Speaker 1: and fucking dream catches and moccasins and give us a hug.
45:06
Speaker 1: She's she's new and improved.
45:09
Speaker 5: Speaking of the Deli Lama, this morning, when I was
45:11
Speaker 5: scrolling on instat I saw Johann Hari's real saying that
45:15
Speaker 5: he got fat shamed by the Delai Lama.
45:19
Speaker 1: That's hilarious.
45:21
Speaker 2: Can I say I have a connection with the Dalai Lama?
45:24
Speaker 1: You can say it.
45:25
Speaker 3: We were we were born on the same day. And
45:28
Speaker 3: I have seen him once as I saw him at
45:30
Speaker 3: a conference. He was pretty amazing. She's quite a cool guy.
45:32
Speaker 3: He's got a really cute giggle. Have you noticed if
45:35
Speaker 3: you've seen the Dalai Lama? Have you ever seen any stuff?
45:37
Speaker 1: You and I saw him together?
45:38
Speaker 6: You dickhead with me at the Dalai Lama thing? Fuck
45:41
Speaker 6: and hell, you're the worst date ever. That was a
45:44
Speaker 6: long time ago. Did we held your hand the whole time?
45:48
Speaker 6: Especially in the scary bits when he looked into your soul?
45:54
Speaker 2: Man? That was a long time ago. How many years
45:56
Speaker 2: ago would had been?
45:57
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I don't feel I don't feel
45:59
Speaker 1: special at all. Now, Wow, what was that movie? We
46:03
Speaker 1: saw that three D? What's it called again? Oh?
46:06
Speaker 3: Yeah, we saw it was Oh the what was it called?
46:12
Speaker 1: You know? Those blue people?
46:16
Speaker 6: You said it?
46:16
Speaker 1: I thought, so what a mix we've seen the we've
46:22
Speaker 1: seen Avatar and the Dali Lama not on the same day.
46:27
Speaker 5: Back to Liam Pain, it's the one direction singer that
46:30
Speaker 5: died for.
46:33
Speaker 1: I remember the name from somewhere, Okay, now I didn't ye,
46:37
Speaker 1: now I know?
46:38
Speaker 2: So what about Di?
46:39
Speaker 1: I y?
46:39
Speaker 3: This is an interesting What do people most need help with?
46:43
Speaker 3: When they do Google searching, di y car maintenance. So
46:47
Speaker 3: people are still maintaining their cars. If you popped the
46:49
Speaker 3: bondon on your new car, because you can't recognize anything
46:52
Speaker 3: under that bond, can you like.
46:54
Speaker 1: There's I got no idea. When you turn on my car,
46:59
Speaker 1: there's no sound because it's hybrid, so you don't even
47:03
Speaker 1: know it's on. It's like is it on? See?
47:06
Speaker 3: You might find this hard to believe, but I've changed
47:08
Speaker 3: the spark plugs on my first car. I repaired my
47:11
Speaker 3: first car myself. Remember the front bumpers on old cars were.
47:16
Speaker 1: Actually hang on. Let's define I repaired, yeah, because that's
47:21
Speaker 1: come on, what does that mean?
47:23
Speaker 2: Okay?
47:23
Speaker 3: So I may have got into a little bit of
47:26
Speaker 3: an accident when I was nineteen.
47:27
Speaker 2: I was on tram tracks on Sydney Road. It was
47:30
Speaker 2: a wet day.
47:31
Speaker 3: Guy slamms the brakes on in front of me and
47:33
Speaker 3: I was too close and I skid it into him.
47:35
Speaker 3: So but I couldn't afford the repair, so I did
47:38
Speaker 3: it myself. So I replaced the headlight myself, just bought
47:42
Speaker 3: a new headlight.
47:42
Speaker 2: I did the panel beating by myself.
47:44
Speaker 3: But the funniest thing was the panel beating wasn't that
47:47
Speaker 3: hard to kind of tap things out. I put a
47:49
Speaker 3: jack inside the because the car was a Mazda eighth eight,
47:53
Speaker 3: so it had a little tiny engine but a really
47:55
Speaker 3: long body, so it meant that there was no mechanical damage.
47:58
Speaker 3: And so what I did was I put a plank
48:00
Speaker 3: of wood and the jack, and I jacked out the front.
48:02
Speaker 2: Of the car to push it back out again.
48:04
Speaker 3: But the best thing was remember the chrome bumper bars
48:07
Speaker 3: on Rudy, because my car was a nineteen seventies maas
48:09
Speaker 3: to eight oh eight, and the chrome bumpers were solid,
48:12
Speaker 3: and it was so solid even though it had been buckled,
48:15
Speaker 3: I couldn't bend it back. So I put it over
48:17
Speaker 3: Dad's gas barbecue, got it red hot, and then tapped
48:21
Speaker 3: out and got it back into shape.
48:23
Speaker 2: So I did that myself. I think you should be
48:25
Speaker 2: proud of me.
48:27
Speaker 1: I would love to see a photo of the finished product.
48:30
Speaker 2: It survived for another six years after that. I might say,
48:36
Speaker 2: little mouse.
48:36
Speaker 1: Well, if I have a little fender bender, I definitely
48:43
Speaker 1: will not give you a.
48:44
Speaker 3: Call no, because they're plastic. It wouldn't matter. I just
48:46
Speaker 3: need a glue gun to put it back together again.
48:48
Speaker 3: I wouldn't need anything metal. The car maintenance was number
48:53
Speaker 3: one for DIY. The second one was DIY Halloween Costumes,
48:59
Speaker 3: and then follow by how to make an East Buddy footprints.
49:04
Speaker 1: I would have thought high on the list would be
49:06
Speaker 1: DIY like medical.
49:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know how to perform the CPR.
49:12
Speaker 1: Yeah, how to well, how to give yourself an appendectomy
49:16
Speaker 1: with a sewing kit and a Swiss army knife and
49:19
Speaker 1: some gin.
49:22
Speaker 2: Travel.
49:23
Speaker 3: Do you know where people want to go the most
49:24
Speaker 3: in Australia if they live, where they want to go?
49:28
Speaker 2: Gold Coast?
49:29
Speaker 3: Cheap flights for the Gold Coast from Melbourne that was
49:31
Speaker 3: the most searched travel term. And then flights to King
49:35
Speaker 3: Island and then Jetstar cheap flights to Melbourne. Oh so
49:38
Speaker 3: people do want to come to Melbourne? They don't, don't
49:39
Speaker 3: just want to leave Melbourne.
49:41
Speaker 1: Do you know what's going to sell well in the
49:42
Speaker 1: Gold Coast?
49:43
Speaker 2: What's that?
49:45
Speaker 1: Solar paint cars?
49:46
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, how good would that be? Or in Central Australia?
49:50
Speaker 1: Oh wow, imagine that. I think, all right, let's do
49:53
Speaker 1: one more. Let's do one more, mister host Well.
49:56
Speaker 3: Actually, one of the ones that I thought was interesting
49:59
Speaker 3: related to social media, and they talk about regularly posting
50:04
Speaker 3: on socials as opposed to just looking at socials can
50:08
Speaker 3: actually worsen the mental health in adults. So if you've
50:12
Speaker 3: been caught up in that kind of mailstream of have
50:16
Speaker 3: to post, got to give a status update, that now
50:19
Speaker 3: is being thought of as being having a real impact.
50:21
Speaker 3: So the Journal of Medical Internet Research, so they were
50:25
Speaker 3: investigating fifteen thousand adults in the United Kingdom all over
50:29
Speaker 3: the age of sixteen, and what they said was simply
50:33
Speaker 3: viewing social media content. Content didn't seem to have the
50:36
Speaker 3: same effect as regularly posting on social media. So if
50:41
Speaker 3: you fall into that category of someone who has to
50:44
Speaker 3: post what you're doing all the time, it actually may
50:47
Speaker 3: worsen your mental health. It could have a health implications
50:51
Speaker 3: if you feel the need to keep posting. I mean,
50:53
Speaker 3: do you guys post much on socials?
50:56
Speaker 5: Post every four and a half minutes?
50:58
Speaker 2: Oh really?
51:00
Speaker 1: Her life was fucking as public as you can get.
51:03
Speaker 1: I don't.
51:03
Speaker 5: Every time my dog changes position, I take a photo
51:06
Speaker 5: and post it.
51:08
Speaker 1: Wow.
51:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I posted once this year, and that's
51:11
Speaker 2: what I post.
51:12
Speaker 1: I just post messages like whiteboards. I don't really go, hey,
51:17
Speaker 1: here's my breky. Sometimes I'll post something that I think
51:20
Speaker 1: might be like a personal thing that I think might
51:23
Speaker 1: be like my steps. I don't know if I told
51:27
Speaker 1: you this. Did I tell you that my phone this,
51:29
Speaker 1: Speaking of tech, my phone told me I was a fat,
51:31
Speaker 1: lazy fuck. Did I tell you if my phone literally
51:36
Speaker 1: sent me? In my phone, it literally sent me an
51:41
Speaker 1: alert telling me that I don't Essentially, you're not walking
51:45
Speaker 1: much and you need to walk more. So I took
51:50
Speaker 1: that on board from my pocket coach, and yeah, I've
51:55
Speaker 1: gone from average under five thousand a day to average
51:59
Speaker 1: just under fifteen thousand a day. But it was funny
52:02
Speaker 1: because for me, and actually I did not realize how
52:05
Speaker 1: little I was working walking and generally I was walking
52:09
Speaker 1: more than that. But the last few months where I've
52:11
Speaker 1: been deep, balls deep, as the kids say, or maybe
52:14
Speaker 1: the kids don't say that. Maybe that's me balls deep
52:18
Speaker 1: in my PhD and recording and reading. And I've been
52:23
Speaker 1: sitting down a lot. And yeah, like even this morning,
52:27
Speaker 1: I got up at quarter past five and I've walked
52:29
Speaker 1: five ks and it's eight twenty six right now. But
52:33
Speaker 1: it's been a I know this sounds weird, but one
52:35
Speaker 1: it was a really good catalyst. But it's been a
52:38
Speaker 1: game changer for me. But that's got nothing to do
52:41
Speaker 1: with tech.
52:42
Speaker 2: No, it has have everything to do with tech. What
52:43
Speaker 2: do you mean it was your phone? Your phone was.
52:45
Speaker 1: Telling well, I mean that my physiological response.
52:50
Speaker 2: But it can help prompt you know.
52:51
Speaker 3: It's not dissimilar to having the conversation with Ai like
52:54
Speaker 3: I did earlier in the show.
52:56
Speaker 2: It's that sense of not being alone, you know, can
53:00
Speaker 2: do all.
53:00
Speaker 3: That sort of stuff. Although I've got to say this
53:02
Speaker 3: is quite funny. I was just in the middle of
53:04
Speaker 3: a Thai cheek class. I think I've been doing Tai
53:06
Speaker 3: chie for about forty five minutes, and my watch pinged
53:10
Speaker 3: me and said you need to get moving.
53:12
Speaker 6: It's like, what forty five minutes, you idiot?
53:16
Speaker 3: I think I was just so relaxed and my heart
53:19
Speaker 3: was so relaxed that it thought that I wasn't moving. Well,
53:23
Speaker 3: that's what Tai Chee's about, isn't it. It's a slow
53:25
Speaker 3: moving meditation. So yeah, idea not to end up with
53:28
Speaker 3: a sweat and panting at the end of it, but
53:30
Speaker 3: to feel relaxed and centered and mindful. See when I
53:34
Speaker 3: was thinking about that, when Cragio said before that, you
53:36
Speaker 3: know you've become a slightly different person, and you're more
53:39
Speaker 3: chilled and relaxed since going to India. It made me
53:42
Speaker 3: think that you and I could have hung out of
53:43
Speaker 3: this mindfulness seminar because I reckon you would got to
53:45
Speaker 3: lay out out of that it was good.
53:47
Speaker 2: I would just living. Yeah.
53:50
Speaker 3: I love the idea of living in the moment for
53:52
Speaker 3: the moment, not letting anything else. And that's what Tai
53:55
Speaker 3: Cheek does for me. It's great because nothing else is
53:57
Speaker 3: in my head and I can just focus on what
53:59
Speaker 3: I'm doing. The thing that I got out of it
54:02
Speaker 3: was five minutes a day of mindfulness. Just five minutes
54:06
Speaker 3: a day is a real gift to yourself. Just you know,
54:08
Speaker 3: that's hectic lifestyle, Crago. You know you're getting up and
54:11
Speaker 3: walking and doing all that sort of stuff. But you
54:13
Speaker 3: use walking as a bit of a moving meditation, don't you.
54:16
Speaker 3: You kind of just in your zone.
54:18
Speaker 1: I do, I do, I do. It's funny we should
54:21
Speaker 1: talk about what, because what for somebody will be a meditation,
54:25
Speaker 1: for somebody else will be a source of anxiety. You know.
54:29
Speaker 1: So mate, tell people how they can connect with you
54:31
Speaker 1: and follow you.
54:32
Speaker 3: Oh sure, yeah, So you just need to go to
54:35
Speaker 3: websites now, dot com dot AU and just trying to
54:40
Speaker 3: check out what we do. I mean, obviously websites now,
54:42
Speaker 3: dot com dot you speaks for itself. But it's just
54:45
Speaker 3: too hard to spell Genesis FX because it's just a
54:48
Speaker 3: stupid name that I came up with before the Internet existed,
54:50
Speaker 3: and people can't spell it. So I had to come
54:53
Speaker 3: up with another name for our website. So websites Now
54:56
Speaker 3: kind of made sense, didn't it. Really, When you think
54:58
Speaker 3: about it, I.
54:58
Speaker 1: Think it was a good change. It was a good change.
55:01
Speaker 1: There's been quite a few businesses who have just changed
55:04
Speaker 1: their name and nothing else and their business catapulted.
55:07
Speaker 2: Really.
55:08
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, do you remember Tara and Russ had a
55:10
Speaker 1: business in Glenn Huntley Road. It was called High Energy Network.
55:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I did a lot, they did quite well.
55:18
Speaker 1: But then we had a meeting one day and they
55:20
Speaker 1: were talking about how to improve the business and I said,
55:22
Speaker 1: why don't you change the name to Australian Fitness Academy.
55:27
Speaker 1: And they went and they did that and just that
55:32
Speaker 1: double tripled, like interest inquiries turnover bums on seats, because
55:38
Speaker 1: it explains straight away what it is versus you know,
55:42
Speaker 1: high energy network. Fucking what is what? Does that even mean?
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Speaker 1: So so the name matters, mate, I'm going to go
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Speaker 1: because I've got a thing. Thanks TIV, Thanks Patrick,