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#305 - Matt Ox · The Bootleg Kev Podcast

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Speaker 1: Hey, you here with mad Ox were on a bootleg
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Speaker 1: in here matt Ox boy, what's good with a game?
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Speaker 1: What's up? Buddy man? You know living this La lifestyle?
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Speaker 1: You live here now? No, I've been out here for
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Speaker 1: the month though. Oh okay, I feel like I'm just
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Speaker 1: you know, it's like second home now. I've been coming
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Speaker 1: out here since the kid. You feel me, I'm always
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Speaker 1: in La every couple of months, you feel me. Well,
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Speaker 1: now you're like officially eighteen, right, finally. Yeah. It's kind
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Speaker 1: of crazy because like I feel like when the overwhelming
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Speaker 1: song what were you twelve? Like eleven? Yeah? Crazy like eleven,
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Speaker 1: twelve yeah, twelve, Yeah, I'll probably like turning twelve where
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Speaker 1: you originally from Philadelphia, phil Yeah, and raise. That's crazy.
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Speaker 1: So you pop off at twelve years old in kind
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Speaker 1: of like peak SoundCloud era of music. Yeah, I feel
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Speaker 1: like we kind of have seen you kind of grow
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Speaker 1: up in front of our eyes. Yeah, man, for you, Like,
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Speaker 1: how's it feel to kind of finally it to being
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Speaker 1: an adult? It's crazy, I mean it's just I felt
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Speaker 1: like an adult for a the longest time because I've
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Speaker 1: been doing so much grown stuff, like just going out
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Speaker 1: the clubs and like stuff like that, like strict clubs
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Speaker 1: and like since I was like sixteen, you gonna shit
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Speaker 1: like that. Like it's just like ever since a kid,
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Speaker 1: I've been living this grown lifestyle. You feel me, right,
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Speaker 1: It just now it's just like I kind of been
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Speaker 1: doing all that stuff, so I'm kind of just trying
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Speaker 1: to focus on the business now. You feel me just
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Speaker 1: mature with it. You feel me I'm having fun though,
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Speaker 1: But do you feel like like growing up in the
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Speaker 1: rap game, you kind of lost a lot of like
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Speaker 1: of your innocence, you know what I'm saying. And yeah,
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Speaker 1: but I mean everything that I go through is destined.
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Speaker 1: I feel like I knew that I wanted to be
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Speaker 1: a rapper ever since a little kid, like and it's
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Speaker 1: like the shit I was doing. I was drawing myself
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Speaker 1: out on a piece of paper performing in front of
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Speaker 1: the crowds when I was like ten, and then a
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Speaker 1: couple of years later it interesting came true, like twenty
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Speaker 1: thousand people in the crowd, you know what I'm saying,
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Speaker 1: Like Mad Decent show with Diplo. You know what I'm saying, Like,
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Speaker 1: and it's just a year after I wrote that on
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Speaker 1: a piece of paper. It's like, it's crazy. It's crazy
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Speaker 1: coming from Philly because your music is obviously like more
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Speaker 1: like melodic, more like you know, you know when when
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Speaker 1: I hear your shit, I don't really hear a lot
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Speaker 1: of Philly influence. If you will, Yeah, well, is it
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Speaker 1: safe to say you really as a kid the whole
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Speaker 1: like Philly meek male, free way shit kind of like
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Speaker 1: missed you. Yeah, I never like I listened to that
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Speaker 1: type of stuff, but I never like was like trying
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Speaker 1: to do stuff that everybody else was doing. Like I
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Speaker 1: was literally making this for my soul, like I knew
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Speaker 1: I wanted to make music. You gotta understand, Like I
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Speaker 1: was working with all the big producers that was that's
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Speaker 1: popping right now, like right for sure, like Filthy, working
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Speaker 1: on Dying, like the people that just did Cardi Hoole tape.
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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, produced a lot for the Poland song for
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Speaker 1: YACHTI Like those are the guys you're working with? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: like eleven, you know what I'm saying. So, like we
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Speaker 1: was creating a whole new sound in the city with
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Speaker 1: the trash shit and like just like people know, like
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Speaker 1: if you ask around, they gonna know, you know what
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Speaker 1: I'm saying, So like they where when I was a kid,
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Speaker 1: I was just posting a bunch of like Twitter snippets.
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Speaker 1: I was freestyle on Twitter, and they found me on
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Speaker 1: Twitter and they would just send me a bunch of beats.
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Speaker 1: And then from there we just start going crazy and
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Speaker 1: like just making a whole new sound. And then that's
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Speaker 1: what made it it stick out, I feel like, right,
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Speaker 1: and then a lot of my early stuff was actually
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Speaker 1: trenched out like it was real like rap. I mean
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Speaker 1: like a not a lot of people here, but like
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Speaker 1: the real ones, know, like Michael Myers low Key, those
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Speaker 1: were way before Overwhelming. Overwhelming wasn't my first song. Overwhelming
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Speaker 1: was just something that we planned out so it could
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Speaker 1: go up, you know what I'm saying. With the fidget spinners,
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Speaker 1: with the kids on the block, fidget Spinner gang man,
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Speaker 1: I think if God, I think five years ago, I
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Speaker 1: think of fidget spinners and I think of you. Yeah, God,
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Speaker 1: that's what everybody say. It was like we capitalized on
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Speaker 1: it without even trying, you know what I'm saying. What
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Speaker 1: happened to fidget spinners are just out. Yeah, I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I ain't see a Fisher spinner in a minute. Those
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Speaker 1: things were fucking lit for a while. It was right,
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Speaker 1: So give me like for you, man, because I do
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Speaker 1: feel like anytime, you know, you go through such a
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Speaker 1: real fast path to fame, viralness, et cetera, especially at
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Speaker 1: a young age, there's probably a lot of stuff that's
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Speaker 1: hard to deal with, you know, stuff that you probably
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Speaker 1: looking back on. Is there anything that you feel like
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Speaker 1: you took from that era that you learned from or
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Speaker 1: any mistakes you feel like you might have made? It? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I didn't been through deals on deals and and like,
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Speaker 1: how many deals have you been signed to too? Like
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Speaker 1: two major deals, I mean two major labels. I was
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Speaker 1: signed up Warner Brothers at first and then Motown with
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Speaker 1: Capital and you're free agent out now, free agent independent. Fully,
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Speaker 1: I just I had too because I ain't never took
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Speaker 1: that route and I wanted to since the beginning of
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Speaker 1: my career. It was just a lot of stuff that
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Speaker 1: was it was like, it was just a lot of
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Speaker 1: stuff like you know when in the beginning of your career,
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Speaker 1: it's like everybody coming to you with deals, Oh, you
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Speaker 1: gotta do this, Oh you gotta you feel me? So
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Speaker 1: then but I luckily I got out of both of them,
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Speaker 1: and now I'm able to do what I want, drop
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Speaker 1: when I want, I want, and you feel me. And
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Speaker 1: it's like one thing I learned from that, Like every
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Speaker 1: sign artists want to be independent. Every independent artists want
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Speaker 1: to be sign. It's like you gotta take what you
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Speaker 1: got and really take advantage of it for sure, whatever
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Speaker 1: situation it is, how involved, Like how involved has your
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Speaker 1: mom been in your career? Always like she's my manager
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Speaker 1: right now, so so your mom is like steering the ship. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean in the beginning, she was scared, like I
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Speaker 1: had it for I had not for it, but like
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Speaker 1: I had to kind of like help like be like
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Speaker 1: it's cool, You're gonna be good, like you could do
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Speaker 1: this you know what I'm saying, Like cause she was
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Speaker 1: scared to be a manager, like she ain't know nothing
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Speaker 1: about the business. We ain't know nothing about the business.
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Speaker 1: Were coming in, you know what I'm saying, Were coming
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Speaker 1: into this like really trying to figure it out. It's
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Speaker 1: gotta be kind of hard because like the motherland stinks.
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Speaker 1: Kick in, but you're also a popping rapper right, so
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Speaker 1: that you're around a bunch of shit this hella. But
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Speaker 1: my mom had me at fifteen, so in the beginning
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Speaker 1: it was like she was kind of scared, but then
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Speaker 1: she got so your mom had you when she was fifteeneen,
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Speaker 1: it's like blood assister relationship almost, like we just we
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Speaker 1: closed like that. You feel like, how does your mom
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Speaker 1: now he's thirty two? Damn, I'm older than your mom.
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Speaker 1: Motherfuck yeah, it's crazy, shout out to mom. Yeah, your
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Speaker 1: mom by turn thirty three. It's about to be your
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Speaker 1: birthday on the sixteen Happy birthday to month day. Damn.
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Speaker 1: So your mom and you were just kind of figuring
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Speaker 1: this shut out as a pretty much we together. You know,
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Speaker 1: all this up you feel I'm still in school, and
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Speaker 1: then pretty much all that stuff happens years later. I
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Speaker 1: didn't even get to go to high school. I had
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Speaker 1: to drop out before I even went to high school,
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Speaker 1: So you never even got to make it to ninth grade.
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Speaker 1: I went homes school, and it was to the point
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Speaker 1: where it was like the homeschool wasn't really doing nothing right.
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Speaker 1: So I was ended up just like like just copying
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Speaker 1: past and everything, just like cheating pretty much like it
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Speaker 1: was just too easy, you know what I'm saying. So
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Speaker 1: like I just realized, like, bro, you could do your
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Speaker 1: own research. You know what I'm saying. We have computers
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Speaker 1: and phones now, which is like AI is killing our
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Speaker 1: brain slowly, but at the same time, it's learning. You
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Speaker 1: can learn from it because it's creating a bigger, iCloud brain,
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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So I feel like that's
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Speaker 1: what's happening right now. So did you get a GED
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Speaker 1: or anything or did you just kind of you know,
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Speaker 1: I ain't do nothing. I ain't get no GD I
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Speaker 1: dropped out, dropped out. So when was the last time
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Speaker 1: eighth grade we were in school? Seventh much? Yeah, I
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Speaker 1: don't even remember the grade it was on. It was
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Speaker 1: on the computer, so it was all online. Yeah, you
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Speaker 1: can't even hear. That's crazy. It's like at first, because
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Speaker 1: at first I had to go home school because everybody
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Speaker 1: knew me you were popping at school. But then everybody
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Speaker 1: had to go home to school because of Corona. COVID.
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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, damn, but there it is, man, I'd say, Kobe, Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: COVID Corona, same shit. It so fast forward to now obviously,
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Speaker 1: you're eighteen, now you got new music coming. Do you
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Speaker 1: feel like being independent is more like does it fit
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Speaker 1: fit you more? Because you can kind of drop when
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Speaker 1: you want. Yeah, I feel like and now that I'm eighteen,
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Speaker 1: I could finally be myself, you feel me Like before
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Speaker 1: it felt like I had to keep certain shit like secret,
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Speaker 1: just stay low key because like it's like I don't
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Speaker 1: want to get caught up and it means like like
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Speaker 1: my mom, I don't want my mom get caught up
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Speaker 1: or nothing because I'm a minor. You ge know what
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Speaker 1: I'm saying, meaning like what like because you do what
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Speaker 1: I need to do, do what I want to do.
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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Just be out, pardon whatever
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Speaker 1: I want to do. Were you doing like a ton
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Speaker 1: of drugs? No, I wasn't doing no druggs. Well that's good,
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Speaker 1: like everybody around me was. But it's like you gotta
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Speaker 1: keep a strong mind, like so you never participated in
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Speaker 1: any of the fuckeryn It's like you gotta know when
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Speaker 1: to draw the line, like everybody around me be doing
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Speaker 1: crazy shit, Like I didn't been in parties where everybody
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Speaker 1: sniff and shit. Like in the first show, I had
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Speaker 1: people off a keademy. My mom there. You know what
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Speaker 1: I'm saying, was your mom off academy. No, I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to do none of that ship. Well
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Speaker 1: that's good at least she passed that down to you,
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Speaker 1: because that would have been super easy for you to
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Speaker 1: like Noah, Because Bro, I've seen it from the jump,
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Speaker 1: like people tweaked out and my shoulder just tweaked out.
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Speaker 1: I never wanted to do like, I'm never going sniff
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Speaker 1: nothing in my life. You feel me? Maybe if I'm
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Speaker 1: in Columbia with a badass you mean, but like other
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Speaker 1: than that, I ain't doing in that ship. You feel me?
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Speaker 1: Gotta be right. You know you haven't been to Columbia
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Speaker 1: yet obviously no one day. Well you're eighteen, ow you
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Speaker 1: can go where you went? Man, you got your passport yet? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: I got my patport. Yeah, been here my paessport. I
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Speaker 1: had to go to London in Paris when I was
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Speaker 1: like thirteen. So crazy walk like a fashion show with
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Speaker 1: I saw that. Yeah, yeah, it turn his channel up
9:48
Speaker 1: all the way up. Uh. Yeah, I think it is
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Speaker 1: kind of crazy because I do feel like you were
9:54
Speaker 1: kind of like you had a crazy run, bro, because
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Speaker 1: you ended up going super doing the fashion show, shit,
10:01
Speaker 1: working with X. How did you want X? Initially link
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Speaker 1: up dms like that pretty much. I looked up to
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Speaker 1: X like my whole like that was my favorite artist.
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Speaker 1: You got know what I'm saying. And I would DMO
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Speaker 1: and then he hit me back like but the way
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Speaker 1: mm me bad was like he knew me, like it
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Speaker 1: was my friend already. You you know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 1: And when we would chop it up, he would just
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Speaker 1: tell me so much like info on like just like
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Speaker 1: what to do and how to do it, like write
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Speaker 1: out your own deals all that type of shit, like
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Speaker 1: just real grown game. You get know what I'm saying,
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Speaker 1: like big bro shit, you feel me. But we never met,
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Speaker 1: but we would always chop it up online. Yeah, Like
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Speaker 1: we were FaceTime for hours though, you feel me, like
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Speaker 1: just talking you know what I'm saying, like play the
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Speaker 1: game together, all that type of shit. And then but
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Speaker 1: we never met, but we were all and I would
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Speaker 1: send them music. He was sending me shit and then
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Speaker 1: we made the song and he put it on the album.
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Speaker 1: It was like three people on that album. You you you
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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Was it huge? Was Joey Badass
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Speaker 1: on the Y and Travis uh Berker. Yeah, that's crazy,
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Speaker 1: that is wild because that is a important album in
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Speaker 1: history now we look back, that was his first, Like,
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Speaker 1: that was his first album. Yeah, no, it was, Well,
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Speaker 1: wasn't that his first full length album? No, it was
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Speaker 1: maybe was it seventeen or the question mark? Seventeen was
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Speaker 1: his first? Okay, then it was a question mark because
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Speaker 1: a question mark was on. But he was always dropping
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Speaker 1: project like right from the jump, like little mini projects
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Speaker 1: and stuff like that. But yeah, his full first project
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Speaker 1: was seventeen. I'm pretty sure. Do you remember what your
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Speaker 1: last like exchange with him was before he passed away?
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Speaker 1: Probably a FaceTime call. You know, we would just chop
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Speaker 1: it up. I would send him music, you know. I
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Speaker 1: was sending them a song. I was sending him this
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Speaker 1: song I was working on for him. He was supposed
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Speaker 1: to hop on because when we did the song for
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Speaker 1: his album, it was like a swap, so he would
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Speaker 1: give me one for my vice versa. I was supposed
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Speaker 1: to have another song, but we never got it done. Damn, man,
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Speaker 1: tell me the story about Drake trying to buy one
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Speaker 1: of your records. Oh so the reason I didn't do
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Speaker 1: that was because I was cool with X, you know
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Speaker 1: what I'm saying, and like, and there was that kind
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Speaker 1: of like weird beef that. Yeah, they had that shit
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Speaker 1: going on. So I just stayed out the way of that.
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Speaker 1: And then on top of that, I linked that with
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Speaker 1: my boy like oogie pretty much so he could just
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Speaker 1: get the beat. And now they got to buy So
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Speaker 1: what was it? So it was a It was a
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Speaker 1: so Drake was trying to buy a song that you
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Speaker 1: had already like cut. Yeah, I already made it. It
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Speaker 1: was called Message, and uh, my manager pretty much told me.
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Speaker 1: My manager at that time told me that, uh, they
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Speaker 1: was trying to buy a song for hundred and fifty thousand,
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Speaker 1: and I just denied it cause it was like how
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Speaker 1: to respect the X? Yeah, ou to respect the X?
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Speaker 1: And then you know, it was just it was like
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Speaker 1: pick aside. You know what I'm saying to your side,
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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. And I just I mean,
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Speaker 1: he did a solid for you put on that's my
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Speaker 1: brother too, you know what I'm saying. Beyond all that.
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Speaker 1: So I just had to stay down for that, you
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Speaker 1: feel me? But yeah, and now you say that producer's
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Speaker 1: got tons of musical Drake. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah. Do
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Speaker 1: enough credit in terms of like some of the like
19:07
Speaker 1: cause you've I feel like you're ahead of the curve. Yeah,
19:10
Speaker 1: I mean credit is credit, bro. If people won't give
19:14
Speaker 1: me credit, that's cool. My ego don'e being dissolved and died.
19:17
Speaker 1: Like I don't even exist, bro, Like all this is
19:20
Speaker 1: a figment of your mind, you know what I'm saying.
19:22
Speaker 1: All that, oh maddox, this big celebrity. I'm a human being.
19:26
Speaker 1: I'm just like everybody else. Ain't no different, you know
19:28
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So I don't need no credit. Everybody
19:30
Speaker 1: actually takes influence and gives influence. That's the point of
19:34
Speaker 1: the game, you know, know know what I'm saying. We are
19:35
Speaker 1: vessels at the end of the day. So I don't
19:38
Speaker 1: my credit gonna come, you know what I'm saying. Whatever
19:40
Speaker 1: credit they gonna see, they gonna know. And people be talking,
19:43
Speaker 1: people be saying they know they know the real ones
19:46
Speaker 1: know at least, so like when people talk, oh yeah,
19:49
Speaker 1: Maddocks made that, say oh Maddox zero degrees. Yeah, that's
19:53
Speaker 1: that's the blueprint of what people is doing right now.
19:56
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like a lot of the
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Speaker 1: stuff I was doing back in the days is blueprint.
20:00
Speaker 1: It's prodigy shit, you know what I'm saying. Like a
20:03
Speaker 1: lot of people not on it, and people can't understand
20:05
Speaker 1: it because it's just to us ahead of the time.
20:07
Speaker 1: How did you get to the point where you feel
20:08
Speaker 1: like your ego got dissolved? Was there something that happened
20:10
Speaker 1: or was there an experience? Psychedelics? Psychedelics, mushrooms everything? DNT
20:16
Speaker 1: at fourteen? My boy didn't nobody like that look and
20:19
Speaker 1: that was crazy because I was in the industry. You
20:21
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. But like, it's just a lot
20:23
Speaker 1: of crazy stuff. So you did. How was the DMT
20:27
Speaker 1: trip at fourteen? Ain't gonna talk about we gotta talk
20:29
Speaker 1: about it. I want to know what do you remember
20:31
Speaker 1: anything from? All right? So it was off a dad
20:34
Speaker 1: break right and brother that told me he was like,
20:35
Speaker 1: it's not a drug, it's a chemical. True. So I'm like,
20:38
Speaker 1: all right, I don't look at psychedelics as drugs exactly,
20:41
Speaker 1: it's a so and DNT is actually organism. It is
20:44
Speaker 1: a living organism. You know what I'm saying. Your body
20:46
Speaker 1: produces it naturally, you know what I'm saying. So when
20:49
Speaker 1: I did that, it was off a dad brig and
20:52
Speaker 1: I felt like spirits trying and bring me to another round,
20:56
Speaker 1: but I didn't go. I was scared, like I felt weird.
21:00
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, this is wild. But ever since then,
21:02
Speaker 1: I've just been tapped in with like just the spirit
21:05
Speaker 1: round and just like just everything around me, just the energy,
21:10
Speaker 1: you know, spirit, you feel me, spirituality, all that type
21:13
Speaker 1: of stuff you feel me zing for real, like going zam.
21:16
Speaker 1: I got homies WO do DMT like twice a year
21:18
Speaker 1: where just to kind of like freshen up there. Fucking yeah.
21:22
Speaker 1: I know people that do like heroic swoon those like
21:24
Speaker 1: they'll take the heroes do crazy. I can't do that
21:28
Speaker 1: right now because I'm in like artists mode. I gotta
21:31
Speaker 1: like be socializing stuff, gotta be super sharp. Everything you know,
21:36
Speaker 1: done a hero's dose. I dodn't dig crazy doses, but
21:41
Speaker 1: not a hero's dose. No, not no six seven. I
21:44
Speaker 1: mean maybe, but I was probably young, Like, you gotta understand, bro,
21:47
Speaker 1: I'm in the mix since I was like, I don't
21:50
Speaker 1: even remember, bro, but like all that when I was younger.
21:54
Speaker 1: It's just I don't remember. Microdosing is definitely a productive
21:57
Speaker 1: thing too, because you can microdose and be super sharp.
21:59
Speaker 1: I know people micro does when they work out. When
22:02
Speaker 1: I was doing it, they wasn't on that type. It's
22:04
Speaker 1: like everybody was like, oh, it's still like tripped out,
22:07
Speaker 1: Like nobody was talking about that type of stuff to like,
22:09
Speaker 1: I feel like a couple of years ago. Yeah, I
22:11
Speaker 1: got like two friends who before they work out, they'll
22:13
Speaker 1: just take a micro dose, and that shit is like
22:15
Speaker 1: taking pre workout for them. It's kind of crazy. How
22:18
Speaker 1: y'all be doing that? For sure? People go to school
22:20
Speaker 1: off and now and stuff like that. For you, how
22:23
Speaker 1: would you kind of describe the new music you're making? Man?
22:29
Speaker 1: Just new, experimental, tripped out, turned up you feel me
22:34
Speaker 1: and just experiment. Like there's so many different sounds I've
22:38
Speaker 1: been working on, so I can't really explain it in
22:41
Speaker 1: a couple of words. It is you got to listen
22:43
Speaker 1: and experience it. It's really an experience. Do you feel
22:46
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22:51
Speaker 1: Do you kind of feel like there's like some sort
22:52
Speaker 1: of freedom to the way you recorded this music as
22:54
Speaker 1: opposed to before. Yeah, I mean I always would freestyle.
22:58
Speaker 1: A lot of my music, Like most of my music
23:00
Speaker 1: that you heard is freestyle, just punching in line by line,
23:04
Speaker 1: like the X song jet Lad A lot of most
23:10
Speaker 1: of the songs you heard, except for like Overwhelming. I
23:12
Speaker 1: wrote that, but I wrote that in like fifteen minutes crazy,
23:15
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23:17
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23:19
Speaker 1: the best music when you're not like overthinking it, you
23:22
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Like when I overthink, sometimes I
23:25
Speaker 1: can't even make a song because that's what creates brightest black.
23:28
Speaker 1: So you'll just like get in the booth, will you
23:30
Speaker 1: lay down the melody and then punching the lyrics. I'll punch. Yeah,
23:32
Speaker 1: it depends. It's all about how I'm feeling, what beat
23:36
Speaker 1: it is, you know, Like it all depends on the vibe.
23:39
Speaker 1: Like if the vibe, if the vibe is right, I'm
23:41
Speaker 1: gonna be able to make the song just like that
23:43
Speaker 1: because I just feel it. It's almost like a spirit
23:46
Speaker 1: possessing me while I'm in the booth and then it
23:49
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23:51
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23:53
Speaker 1: And that's why I like freestyling, because it's off the
23:56
Speaker 1: top of your head. So you're more free, you more
23:58
Speaker 1: open up, more new idea. Right for sure? If you
24:02
Speaker 1: were not a rapper, what do you think you'd be doing? Man,
24:06
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you, I'll probably running around doing bullshit.
24:13
Speaker 1: Take that out, okay, not like what you literally be doing.
24:16
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24:17
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24:19
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24:22
Speaker 1: I used to want to be a YouTuber, Like I
24:24
Speaker 1: always knew I wanted to like do something like that
24:26
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24:29
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24:32
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24:34
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24:36
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24:39
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24:41
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24:44
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24:46
Speaker 1: which is now crazy because that's now because that's what
24:48
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24:50
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24:55
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24:58
Speaker 1: that type of stuff. So that now is like it's
25:01
Speaker 1: kids really making money off this. I would tell them like,
25:05
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25:07
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25:10
Speaker 1: on that? But I don't play the game like that
25:12
Speaker 1: no more. You don't play games right now. I'll be
25:13
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25:16
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25:21
Speaker 1: Everybody was playing forte was a great game. It was
25:24
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25:26
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25:28
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25:30
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25:33
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25:36
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25:39
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25:41
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25:47
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25:52
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25:56
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Speaker 1: new music that you're working with, any features or anything. Yeah,
29:27
Speaker 1: I got a couple of things coming up with Coaches.
29:31
Speaker 1: I got a song with BK, I got a lot
29:35
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29:38
Speaker 1: Baby Santana. You know, like a lot of the new
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Speaker 1: artists I've been trying to tap in with you know,
29:42
Speaker 1: would there be any advice you would give because I've
29:45
Speaker 1: seen like a lot of new kids that are kind
29:46
Speaker 1: of on the come up, like little Tyler's doing this thing. Yeah,
29:50
Speaker 1: any advice you would give to cause you kind of
29:53
Speaker 1: had to go through it for them, for somebody who
29:56
Speaker 1: a child trying to make it in the rap game. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I feel like, just stay true, true to yourself, you
30:01
Speaker 1: feel me, don't lose yourself and the shit you feel me.
30:03
Speaker 1: And then also just be yourself bro, like, don't try
30:09
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30:17
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30:19
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30:21
Speaker 1: probably had some crazy nights. What is your craziest rap
30:25
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30:28
Speaker 1: with somebody or a concert or I don't know, Okay,
30:33
Speaker 1: So I mean there's been so many crazy nights, Like
30:37
Speaker 1: one day, all right, the one time I was it
30:39
Speaker 1: was day and night I think, And this is when
30:41
Speaker 1: I met Uzzi Day Night festival, Yeah, the one in Anaheim.
30:46
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, so I think it was either that
30:49
Speaker 1: or rolling Loud. I forget which one. I was so young,
30:52
Speaker 1: it's like a blur for me. But pretty much, I'm
30:55
Speaker 1: there and I was running to Uzzi and you know
30:58
Speaker 1: we're from the same city. Yeah. And then all my
31:01
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31:03
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31:09
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31:11
Speaker 1: So you wait, do you know that the Homie nets
31:13
Speaker 1: from Philly? Yeah? Neats, Yeah, it was my whole manager. Okay,
31:17
Speaker 1: my first manager. You know what's so crazy is because
31:19
Speaker 1: he works with Freddie Gibs a lot. It's one of
31:20
Speaker 1: my favorite, one of my best friends. And he's been
31:23
Speaker 1: at my studio bunch and I remember him saying I
31:26
Speaker 1: used to manage the kid up. That makes sense. Yeah yeah,
31:30
Speaker 1: so so so tell me about the day you met Uzzi.
31:32
Speaker 1: When we met Uzzi, I brought everybody on the on
31:34
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31:38
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31:42
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31:47
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31:52
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31:54
Speaker 1: after my set and then it just like so much.
31:57
Speaker 1: We got on this big ass uh tour bus us
32:00
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32:02
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32:06
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32:09
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32:11
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32:13
Speaker 1: like when you just live like it don't matter, you
32:15
Speaker 1: could do whatever you want. It was like twenty seventeen,
32:18
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, So that was I mean, UZI was uzy then,
32:22
Speaker 1: but he's like UZI now, like no, UZI was still
32:26
Speaker 1: no USI was still uzy then, but like you know, yeah,
32:30
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32:33
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32:34
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32:36
Speaker 1: The way I learned from Uzi, the way he moved,
32:38
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like, just like you know,
32:42
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32:45
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32:48
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32:51
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. The less availability, the less you
32:54
Speaker 1: out here just doing anything, the more your price. Court
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Speaker 1: got some real ship. Don't make yourself Oh, don't hold
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Speaker 1: yourself out exactly. Keep your shit exclusive for sure. When's it? Uh?
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Speaker 1: You got an album all the way? Yeah? I got
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Speaker 1: me and Surf Game dropping a project on the twentieth,
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Speaker 1: April twentieth for twenty. Yeah, we're going up. What's it long?
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Speaker 1: It's called Oxygen. Okay, just aired out you feel me?
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Speaker 1: Give it a little so pretty much the whole tape.
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Speaker 1: We made it in like a week back in New York.
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Speaker 1: It was just studio session every day. It was a project,
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Speaker 1: our sessions, right like every day, six hours session every day.
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Speaker 1: This album on four twenty. You made it in a week? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: we made in two weeks. I'll say two weeks. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I recorded it in two weeks. I know. It's all freestyle,
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Speaker 1: you feel me, It's all vibes. It's like just experimenting
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Speaker 1: with them, you feel me, locking in with the gang,
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Speaker 1: you know, just showing on what we could do. Yo.
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Speaker 1: Was it kind of hard for you to date girls
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Speaker 1: at your age being famous on date girls. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I've been in one relationship, but that was not too
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Speaker 1: long ago. And she was like twenty eight. I was
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Speaker 1: gonna say, like, you almost have to I mean wrong women. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: women think yeah, you was you were signing up a
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Speaker 1: lot of women for unvoluntarily yeah, huh, felonies for sure.
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Speaker 1: Hell no, they was doing that themselves. They were statutory
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Speaker 1: in your ass. No. No, I was like when I
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Speaker 1: was like fifteen fourteen, I was seeing like seventeen. Okay, okay,
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Speaker 1: you know, like yeah, so it made sense. It wasn't
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Speaker 1: like but like I probably did hit a twenty thirty
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Speaker 1: year old. What's the oldest, Like I said, twenty eight,
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Speaker 1: twenty eight the oldest you've been? Wait, what do you think?
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Speaker 1: Might it might have? Yeah? Twenty that's not I mean
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Speaker 1: that's not great. Ten years that's not great, but it's
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Speaker 1: not terrible. At least you didn't say forty or something.
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Speaker 1: I mean they in the D there's forty year old
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Speaker 1: women DM and you, oh yeah, oh you gotta report them.
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Speaker 1: Bro at thirty, I go high, Well, you're eighteen now,
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Speaker 1: so I guess it's all right. That shit is kind
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Speaker 1: of crazy, though, you'd be like you're older than my mom. Bitch,
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Speaker 1: fall fall back fall bit right for sure? For sure
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Speaker 1: your mom ever have to check a bitch? You know
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Speaker 1: what I'm saying, stepping out of line? My mom don't
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Speaker 1: really care about that, like she'd be staying out the
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Speaker 1: way on that type of ship. Like sure, I don't know,
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Speaker 1: I don't. I feel like I don't. I don't bring
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Speaker 1: them type of shows around. They better have their own spot.
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Speaker 1: You forty years old, you better have a mansion for
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Speaker 1: me show they playing? Don't you got? I better be
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Speaker 1: able to pull up on you in the hills for show.
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Speaker 1: If you with the fidget spinners, Oh god, you're gonna
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Speaker 1: be my sugar mom. Come on, that ship is great. Well,
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Speaker 1: look the new album's coming out on the twentieth for twenty.
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Speaker 1: Just drop the little EP two you feel me. I'll
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Speaker 1: just flooding, brom just I got so much music in
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Speaker 1: the tuck. I just gotta get it out, because what
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Speaker 1: I noticed is what I don't drop THEMN. People think
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Speaker 1: I'm missing or something because I've been cooking this whole time.
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Speaker 1: So you're gonna kind of keep keep it, keep your
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Speaker 1: foot on their necks. Now that you're fully Finally now
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Speaker 1: I'm eighteen, finally grown, Finally could be myself. Finally, you know,
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Speaker 1: step outside the box, you feel me. Finally can buy
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Speaker 1: cigarettes if you wanted to, I can't. You gotta be
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Speaker 1: twenty one? Where you gotta be twenty one to enter
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Speaker 1: the smoke shop? Out this bit? Wait, really mimise you
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Speaker 1: my cigarettes and cal you gotta be twenty We cigarette alcohol?
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Speaker 1: Every California is fucking corny anywhere now, no, no, no,
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Speaker 1: no no, I'm shoot anywhere. Nah in Arizona, in New
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Speaker 1: York and Philly and New York for shure, in Arizona,
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Speaker 1: you gotta be eighteen. You go to the porn shop,
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Speaker 1: you go to the cigarette shop. I didn't know it
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Speaker 1: was twenty one. Damn. I guess I had some Blue
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Speaker 1: state shit. Huh. Probably, Well, I guess you're not on
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Speaker 1: to Mexico or Paris, London, then we're gonna be good. Well, listen,
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Speaker 1: I appreciate you pulling up. Man Maddock's much love to you, brother,
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Speaker 1: my brother, Yes, sir, you haven't boom