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  Speaker 1: Tonight, Warren Mundine cuts loose on fake Aboriginal writer Bruce Pascoe.
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  Speaker 1: And Donald Trump goes rogue as his poll numbers tank
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  Speaker 1: ahead of next month's election. I'll talk to his former spokesman.
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  Speaker 1: Josh Frydenberg is defended by John Howard. even though Labor
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  Speaker 1: today again used him to bash the Liberals and Matt
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  Speaker 1: Canavan on immigration and Barnaby Joyce getting confused. But first,
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  Speaker 1: and speaking of Bruce Pascoe, you know that truth and
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  Speaker 1: sense are both dead in our debate about Aboriginal issues
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  Speaker 1: when the most talked about Aborigine in the country, the
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  Speaker 1: one given the most promotion by the ABC, is in
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  Speaker 1: fact a white man. Yes, Bruce Pascoe, which is why
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  Speaker 1: some shocking news today, just crazy stuff, did not surprise me.
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  Speaker 1: Shocking stuff that I'll get to in a second. But
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  Speaker 1: Pascoe helps explain his part of the background. Just over
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  Speaker 1: the past week, I've been following Pascoe's latest doings with amazement.
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  Speaker 1: Once again, the dishonest promotion of them by the media
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  Speaker 1: left as well, especially the ABC. Now, it should actually
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  Speaker 1: be beyond argument these days that Pascoe is a fake Aborigine,
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  Speaker 1: and no journalist can have missed this controversy, how his
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  Speaker 1: claims have been debunked. Professional genealogists, for instance, for a
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  Speaker 1: start of the darkemuexposed.org website, confirm his 100% of British
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  Speaker 1: ancestry and even many of his own relatives no longer
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  Speaker 1: buy his story.
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  Speaker 2: Bruce, you wrote Dark Emu, a bestseller about Aboriginal society
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  Speaker 2: at the time of first contact. How do you identify?
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  Speaker 3: I identify as a Yuin and Bonarong and Tasmanian.
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  Speaker 2: Do other members of your family agree you all have
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  Speaker 2: Aboriginal heritage?
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  Speaker 3: Some do, many don't.
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  Speaker 1: Pascoe refuses to say whose Aboriginal ancestors supposedly are, and
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  Speaker 1: I've tracked... over years how he's changed his story about
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  Speaker 1: his ancestry several times. So no journalist is any business
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  Speaker 1: taking his word for it. But here we go again.
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  Speaker 1: The ABC is back promoting the man, it's back for years,
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  Speaker 1: whose nonsense claims in his book Dark Emu, it's also
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  Speaker 1: promoted in videos to schools, are false claims that Aborigines
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  Speaker 1: had actually been farmers, living in houses, in towns of
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  Speaker 1: up to 50,000 people. And now again, Pascoe is once
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  Speaker 1: more blitzing the ABC with all this and once more
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  Speaker 1: attacking the wicked West and valorising Aboriginal culture instead. This
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  Speaker 1: time in a book that the ABC claims is a
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  Speaker 1: global examination of Western power informed by an Indigenous perspective.
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  Speaker 4: As our next guest will release his latest book, it
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  Speaker 4: is entitled The European Mind and it is a global
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  Speaker 4: examination of Western power informed by an Indigenous perspective. The
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  Speaker 4: author is Bruce Pascoe, an Indigenous farmer and writer, and
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  Speaker 4: as I said, his new book, The European Mindset, is
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  Speaker 4: out this month.
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  Speaker 1: This new book by this fake Indigenous writer is described
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  Speaker 1: by The Guardian Australia, which is another left-wing media outlet
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  Speaker 1: desperate to believe this stuff. It's described like this. Pascoe,
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  Speaker 1: the dark emu author, rails against Christianity, capitalism and colonialism.
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  Speaker 1: Rails against Christianity and Westernism. Now, The Guardian, like the ABC,
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  Speaker 1: buys the whole nonsense that white Pascoe is actually black
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  Speaker 1: and Christian society is cruel. It writes that Pascoe, a
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  Speaker 1: South Victorian farmer and celebrated literary author of Ewan, Bunurong
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  Speaker 1: and Tasmanian ancestry... No, it says Western religions view of
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  Speaker 1: other spiritual beliefs as inferior, Europe's innate sense of moral
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  Speaker 1: and racial superiority and capitalism's insatiable appetite for natural resources
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  Speaker 1: drove global First Nations dispossession. Now, why does this praise
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  Speaker 1: of Pascoe and his supposed Indigenous writings and rantings matter?
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  Speaker 1: Why does it matter that the Australian Historical Association at
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  Speaker 1: its latest conference shamefully banned a historical researcher, Darkie Mew
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  Speaker 1: exposed Roger Kaj, from his speaking spot after complaints that
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  Speaker 1: would expose fake Aboriginal academics, including this Professor Bruce Pascoe? Well,
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  Speaker 1: the first reason it matters is obviously that the truth
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  Speaker 1: should always matter. It should always count. Of course. And
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  Speaker 1: what's more, if people can't even tell the truth, including journalists,
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  Speaker 1: if even journalists can't tell the truth about Pascoe, a 100%
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  Speaker 1: white man, then what else aren't they telling you that's
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  Speaker 1: true when they talk about Aboriginal issues? Now, I guess
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  Speaker 1: that's why so many damaging falsehoods are, and are regularly,
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  Speaker 1: absolutely shamelessly told about the Stolen Generations, for instance. But
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  Speaker 1: most sinister is that Pascoe is celebrated by the ABC
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  Speaker 1: and by writers' festivals and by the left as a
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  Speaker 1: so-called Aboriginal critic because he proves what they actually want
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  Speaker 1: to believe, that Aboriginal ways were golden and Western ways,
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  Speaker 1: they're evil. It's part of this self-loathing in our culture.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, Aboriginal culture is now seen in the left
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  Speaker 1: as so sacred, so wonderful, that it cannot be questioned.
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  Speaker 1: point out its failures and lawyers warn you, well, warn me,
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  Speaker 1: by saying that this criticism, well, I could get us
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  Speaker 1: sued under our laws against free speech, you know, people
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  Speaker 1: taking offence. And now we see that Aboriginal culture is
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  Speaker 1: in fact held to be so golden that promoting it
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  Speaker 1: can even spare you jail time if you rape children. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: absolutely true. The Australian today reported that a district court
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  Speaker 1: judge imposed the lesser sentence for an Aboriginal community leader
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  Speaker 1: who'd raped and sexually abused four young Aboriginal children. Reduced
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  Speaker 1: it because what the judge said was this man's significant
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  Speaker 1: connection to country and his commendable attempts to keep his
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  Speaker 1: Aboriginal culture alive. Geoffrey Allen Brown, helped create the Pilbara
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  Speaker 1: Land Council. He was found guilty of abusing those children,
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  Speaker 1: girls and boys aged 10, 11, 13 and 14, over
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  Speaker 1: six years in Port Hedland. He'd shown no remorse, said
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  Speaker 1: the judge, but there were still mitigating factors, apparently including
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  Speaker 1: his past good character and the fact that he was
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  Speaker 1: caring for his wife. But also among those factors were
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  Speaker 1: that significant connection to country and his work to keep
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  Speaker 1: his culture alive. And as a result, his prison sentence
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  Speaker 1: was 10 and a half years, significantly less than the
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  Speaker 1: maximum for those crimes. Now, you might wonder why it
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  Speaker 1: matters that a rapist had been keeping his culture alive.
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  Speaker 1: And I wonder whether a child rapist would have got
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  Speaker 1: a discount had he instead worked to turn Aborigines to
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  Speaker 1: Christianity instead. What makes Aboriginal culture so special? When, for instance,
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  Speaker 1: rates of sexual assaults and violence tend to be highest
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  Speaker 1: in exactly Aboriginal communities closest to traditional Aboriginal culture, out
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  Speaker 1: in remote and rural areas. Why is Aboriginal culture a
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  Speaker 1: get-out-of-jail card? And when will we agree again that embracing
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  Speaker 1: Western culture, which includes the honouring of truth and individual responsibility,
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  Speaker 1: is the best ladder forward for us all, whites, Asians
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  Speaker 1: and Aborigines alike. I was joined earlier by Warren Mundine, businessman,
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  Speaker 1: former Labor national president and former adviser on Aboriginal issues
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  Speaker 1: to two Liberal prime ministers. Warren Mundine, always great to
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  Speaker 1: talk to you. Should a man who raped and sexually
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  Speaker 1: abused four children aged 10, 11, 13 and 14 have
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  Speaker 1: his sentence slashed because of his supposed connection to country
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  Speaker 1: and for keeping his culture alive.
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  Speaker 5: This is sickening. Let's not kid around.
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  Speaker 6: This is disgraceful. If you're talking about Aboriginal culture.
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  Speaker 5: An Aboriginal man in our traditional culture, just like every
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  Speaker 5: other different culture around the world, would have speared this bloke.
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  Speaker 5: We would have speared him. We would have put him
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  Speaker 5: to death. And there's no doubt about that, because that's
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  Speaker 5: how strong our culture was in the past, that people
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  Speaker 5: like this were shunned. driven out of our tribes, driven
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  Speaker 5: out of our communities, and then hunted and speared because
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  Speaker 5: you can't, you know, what a disgraceful thing.
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  Speaker 6: And that's one part of it.
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  Speaker 5: The really disgraceful part about it is this reduction in
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  Speaker 5: his sentence.
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  Speaker 1: This is this is sickening.
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  Speaker 5: You know, I like to do I like to see
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  Speaker 5: a constitutional change that says that judges should be held
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  Speaker 5: responsible for their decisions.
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  Speaker 6: If I if I make bad.
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  Speaker 5: Decisions in my work and in my job, I'm held
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  Speaker 5: responsible for that. I think judges need to be as well.
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  Speaker 1: I wonder whether he would have got a discount had
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  Speaker 1: he been working very hard at bringing Christianity instead, like
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  Speaker 1: that culture, to his community. Do you think he would
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  Speaker 1: have got a reduction in sentence for that?
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  Speaker 5: No, I don't think he would have got a reduction
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  Speaker 5: in sentence. And that would have been the right thing
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  Speaker 5: to do. You know, I'm tired of, you know, and
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  Speaker 5: this is what's happened to a lot of Aboriginals out
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  Speaker 5: there in the communities across Australia. are really tired in
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  Speaker 5: regard to how they're using our culture to let criminals
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  Speaker 5: get away with things. You just saw the reports on
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  Speaker 5: Port Hedland and the criminality that has been happening in
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  Speaker 5: that community. That's not the only place it's happening across Australia.
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  Speaker 5: And here you see the Western Australian government, you know,
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  Speaker 5: saying nothing to see here. Everything's fine. And yet you've
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  Speaker 5: got children who are being killed. You're getting children who
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  Speaker 5: are being abused and raped. Now, that's not to say
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  Speaker 5: that all Aboriginals are doing it. Of course, they're not
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  Speaker 5: doing it. But we've got to punish the people who are.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting you raise... The Port Hedland stuff has
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  Speaker 1: just been absolutely shocking, just really, really shocking. It seems
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  Speaker 1: to me there is now a fetish about Aboriginal culture
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  Speaker 1: among certain parts of the Australian left, the bureaucracy, et cetera,
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  Speaker 1: when in fact the worst levels of sexual abuse and
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  Speaker 1: violence among Aboriginal Australians that we see seems to occur
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  Speaker 1: in those communities out bush that are closest to traditional culture.
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  Speaker 1: Shouldn't we be more open to thinking, well, That's Aboriginal culture.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe a shift to Western culture, to Christian ways or whatever,
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  Speaker 1: maybe that's not bad at all.
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  Speaker 5: Well, look, the reality is that a large percentage of
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  Speaker 5: Aboriginal people are Christians and they belong to different denominations.
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  Speaker 5: You see Lutherans, you see Catholics, you see Anglicans, you
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  Speaker 5: see a wide range.
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  Speaker 6: Of Aboriginal people who are of the Christian faith.
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  Speaker 5: And I have On my father's side of the family,
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  Speaker 5: I have pastors, evangelical pastors who are Christians. But the
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  Speaker 5: issue here is we've got to stop using culture to
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  Speaker 5: let criminals and let.
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  Speaker 6: People get away with people.
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  Speaker 5: The Port Hedland is a good example where the elders there,
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  Speaker 5: the women of that community, were screaming out for help
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  Speaker 5: and screaming out for those kids to be looked after
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  Speaker 5: and to be protected. It was the failure of the
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  Speaker 5: Department of Child Protection, if that's its name, I don't
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  Speaker 5: know what its full name is, totally failed those kids,
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  Speaker 5: totally failed that community. And they talk about culture doing this. Well,
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  Speaker 5: who were the culture people? The culture people were those
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  Speaker 5: women who were the elders in that community who were
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  Speaker 5: screaming out for people to do something.
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  Speaker 1: That's right. And the grandmother was begging for help. It
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  Speaker 1: wasn't given. And it seems to me a lot of
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  Speaker 1: child protection authorities around the country have had a record
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  Speaker 1: of being reluctant to remove Aboriginal children from dangers that
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  Speaker 1: they'd be removed from if they were white simply on
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  Speaker 1: the grounds of, oh, we can't repeat the Stolen Generation.
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  Speaker 1: It's just terrible. Now, I mentioned at the top Bruce Pascoe.
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  Speaker 1: He is now selling a book attacking Christianity and the
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  Speaker 1: West and colonialism and rah, rah, rah, from what the
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  Speaker 1: ABC and other leftist outlets claim is an Aboriginal perspective.
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  Speaker 1: Does Bruce Pascoe speak for you?
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  Speaker 6: Look, I'm sick and tired of white people writing books.
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  Speaker 5: And attacking, attacking our communities and using our communities, you know,
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  Speaker 5: for their own personal economic and book selling claims. Look,
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  Speaker 5: the reality is there are a lot of Aboriginal people
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  Speaker 5: who are Christians.
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  Speaker 6: There are a lot of Aboriginal people.
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  Speaker 5: In fact, all of us have gone through colonisation and
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  Speaker 5: that and we have succeeded, we have survived, and we
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  Speaker 5: have done some great things in this country, across this country.
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  Speaker 6: I look post-Second World War.
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  Speaker 5: You look at the incredible stride that has happened with
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  Speaker 5: Aboriginal communities. We've got professors of surgery at Melbourne University.
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  Speaker 6: We've got doctors here. We've got people.
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  Speaker 5: I'm getting sick and tired of these people who are
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  Speaker 5: using victimhood. When I was a kid growing up, my parents,
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  Speaker 5: and I grew up in an Aboriginal community, they were
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  Speaker 5: very strong about not using excuses for the responsibility of
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  Speaker 5: my behaviour. We had to take our own responsibilities. We
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  Speaker 5: were to make our lives better. We were taught about family,
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  Speaker 5: faith and culture. They were the three things that were
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  Speaker 5: rammed in our heads. And those things were you got
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  Speaker 5: up in the morning, you went to work, you fed
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  Speaker 5: your family, you had a roof over.
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  Speaker 6: Your head and you didn't commit crimes.
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  Speaker 5: You become an asset to your community and created jobs
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  Speaker 5: for your people and made a future for your children
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  Speaker 5: and get educated in that. What is happening across this
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  Speaker 5: country now is that we've got this These people are
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  Speaker 5: coming out and claiming to Aboriginal, that their Aboriginality and
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  Speaker 5: that had no experience in Aboriginal communities. And, you know,
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  Speaker 5: you look at them and you say, well, okay, you know,
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  Speaker 5: Bruce Paxson, where is your evidence? Because all the Aboriginal
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  Speaker 5: people that he claims he's from their community have said
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  Speaker 5: he's not. And so, you know, let's stop, you know,
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  Speaker 5: let's get that correct in the first place. In the
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  Speaker 5: second place, stop using Aboriginal culture and stop using it
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  Speaker 5: in a negative way to divide this country.
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  Speaker 6: We are all Australians. We are all proud Australians. I'm
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  Speaker 6: an Australian. Yes, I'm an Aboriginal person.
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  Speaker 5: Just like you can be an Australian, be a Dutch person, background,
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  Speaker 5: an ethnic background and all that type.
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  Speaker 6: We want to bring our people together.
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  Speaker 5: We have won so much in the last 50 years.
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  Speaker 5: And now in the last 20 years or so, we're
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  Speaker 5: starting to trash that.
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  Speaker 6: You look at the crime rates.
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  Speaker 5: You look at the things that are happening to Aboriginal
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  Speaker 5: people in their own communities who are screaming out for
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  Speaker 5: help and for the law.
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  Speaker 6: We've got to stop treating people differently.
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  Speaker 1: We are human beings.
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  Speaker 5: Just like the rest of Australians are. So stop using
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  Speaker 5: all this nonsense. In fact, I'll say something that will
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  Speaker 5: even be more controversial. When I was up in traditional
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  Speaker 5: Aboriginal communities up in the in the north and.
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  Speaker 6: Out there, they said there's two things.
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  Speaker 5: There's traditional culture and there's bullshit culture. And what we're
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  Speaker 5: getting at the moment out of all these academics and
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  Speaker 5: all these people who claim to be Aboriginal people is
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  Speaker 5: just bullshit culture.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I can't help but nod furiously in agreement with you,
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  Speaker 1: Warren Mundine. Thank you very much for your time. Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: After the break, Donald Trump starts the wobble on a
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  Speaker 1: barbaric plan to live stream the execution... of a jihadist
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  Speaker 1: by firing squad. Sean Spicer after this. Donald Trump's poll
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  Speaker 1: numbers have fallen through the floor. One new reason for
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  Speaker 1: that is that petrol and diesel prices have rocketed since
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  Speaker 1: the US president started his war with Iran. That has
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  Speaker 1: made Trump desperate because he's now just Three weeks out
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  Speaker 1: from the midterm elections that could cost the Republicans control
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  Speaker 1: of the Senate and House of Representatives and turn him
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  Speaker 1: into a lame duck president. He's desperate and looking for
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  Speaker 1: scapegoats and distractions. Two examples this past week. First, he's
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  Speaker 1: now blaming Ukraine and its president, not himself, for those
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  Speaker 1: higher fuel prices, saying Ukraine should stop defending itself by
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  Speaker 1: destroying Russian oil refineries or he'll cut off US arms
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  Speaker 1: and intelligence. In fact, Ukraine should surrender.
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  Speaker 7: We said, you can do whatever you want to Russia,
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  Speaker 7: don't hit the refineries, because that's a world problem that's caused.
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  Speaker 7: And he wants to make problems for the world. He
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  Speaker 7: wants to make problems for our farmers, our ranchers, with
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  Speaker 7: diesel fuel, because Russia supplies a large portion of the
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  Speaker 7: diesel fuel throughout the world. That's a war that should
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  Speaker 7: have never started. And I think it's time for Ukraine
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  Speaker 7: to get a new president.
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  Speaker 1: Trump is even saying he's going to buy Russian diesel
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  Speaker 1: to ease prices, which means giving Russia countless millions of
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  Speaker 1: dollars for its war. But there's more. Another distraction to
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  Speaker 1: make the Trump administration look tough. Trump's Secretary of War,
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  Speaker 1: Pete Hegseth, says he wants jihadist Nidal Hassan, a major
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  Speaker 1: in the US Army who shot dead 13 fellow soldiers,
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  Speaker 1: executed by firing squad and live-streamed. This was an idea
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  Speaker 1: which Trump at first seemed to like.
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  Speaker 8: Did you personally authorise or approve the execution, the live
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  Speaker 8: stream execution of the court? Did I approve?
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely. Now, though, with religious leaders from the Pope down, horrified,
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  Speaker 1: Trump is reportedly going cold on this live streaming. He
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  Speaker 1: says he's yet to actually approve it, but he's happy
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  Speaker 1: for the debate to keep going for days. Now, no
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  Speaker 1: wonder even he thinks this might be too much, because...
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  Speaker 1: live streaming the shooting of a jihadist. It's barbaric. It
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  Speaker 1: coarsens American culture. It shrinks the moral gap between the
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  Speaker 1: West and the terrorists trying to destroy it by showing
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  Speaker 1: this contempt for human life, this glorying in death. And
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  Speaker 1: it would probably backfire. It would incite terrorists, not frighten them.
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  Speaker 1: What's the bet that terrorists will soon film their own
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  Speaker 1: executions for us? even one nation so tough on terrorism
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  Speaker 1: is against.
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  Speaker 5: Watching a person shot by a firing squad is not
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  Speaker 5: good for the children.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it's good for anybody.
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  Speaker 2: And I would hope that it's not available.
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  Speaker 1: What is to be gained by watching it? What is
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  Speaker 1: to be gained? Bravo. I was joined earlier by Sean Spicer,
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  Speaker 1: Donald Trump's first White House spokesman. Sean Spicer, always great
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  Speaker 1: to see you. The Secretary of War wants this execution
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  Speaker 1: by firing squad of Major Hassan live streamed around the world.
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  Speaker 1: That strikes me as barbaric, to be honest. Why does
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  Speaker 1: he want it? Look, here's what I'd say.
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  Speaker 3: I think what he wants to do is make a
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  Speaker 3: very public display of the fact that Major Hassan committed
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  Speaker 3: an unbelievable and unspeakable act of terrorism, and they want
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  Speaker 3: to send a signal. I'll be honest with you.
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  Speaker 6: I'm with you on this.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think that it serves any deterrence to.
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  Speaker 6: Do it live.
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  Speaker 3: I think we all know he'll die. I think the U.S.,
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  Speaker 3: when we captured Saddam Hussein, we did it correctly. We
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  Speaker 3: didn't make him become a martyr. I've rarely used the
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  Speaker 3: His name, I do it for this just because it's
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  Speaker 3: an international audience, but I don't want to give anyone
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: who commits an act of terrorism sort of the notoriety
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: that they so often seek. So I don't think that this,
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: my guess, by the way, is that this doesn't happen.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: Even if they chose to go through with it, I
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: can't think of a platform that would allow it to air.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: I know, but the idea that Hegseth thinks this is
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: a great idea I'm reading reports now that Donald Trump
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: is thinking twice about this whole thing. He's gone cold
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: on it. The Pope's against it. What do you think
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: he'll ultimately decide?
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: Well, even the vice president said, if they live stream it,
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: I won't watch it. That sort of starts to give
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: you a tell where the administration is. As I said,
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: I'm not really sure what the greater good is. I
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: think everybody knows you're going to execute the guy. They
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: know that you'll have done it. I just don't know
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: that showing it does any good. And it probably inspires
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: some others and gives them some credence in the future
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: when they say, well, look at what the U.S.
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: Did.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: We now are going to do some unspeakable act and
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: justify it using what we did here. Although this individual
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: obviously went through the justice system here, and there's no
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: question about his level of guilt or the degree of
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: a heinous act that he committed. So I don't think
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: it ultimately happens. I think the president is going to
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: recognize that this will be more of a backlash than
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: anything else. There are some people, I've heard some arguments
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: that this just is a massive deterrent.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: I don't think you need a massive deterrent.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: People know you're going to get sentenced to death if
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: you commit an act like this in the United States.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's a surprise.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: I don't think we need to show anybody.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: I think you're right. It brutalizes America and encourages its enemies.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: I just don't see any win on this at all.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump's war on Iran, That's obviously caused oil prices
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: to soar, especially the price of diesel, which is used
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: by US farmers. You on your show have been talking
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: about how prices, fuel prices, et cetera, are one of
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: the keys to voter dissatisfaction ahead of next month's election,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: which looks like turning out badly perhaps for Australia. the
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: presidents and the Republicans. The president's now blaming Ukraine, in fact,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: for the price by bombing Russian oil facilities, says Ukraine
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: should give in to Russia, and is also buying Russian diesel,
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: which to try to lower prices, but that just feeds
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: Russia's war machine. Look, this just seems a terrible move
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: to me. Your view?
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: Well, Andrew, I often say that there's two aspects to
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: most things in Washington. There's the policy and the politics.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: On the policy thing, one of the things that I
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: would further add to your argument is that there's a
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: lot of people who don't believe that Russia has the
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: capability or the capacity to actually follow through on the
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: pledges that they made. I mean, it's talking about hundreds
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: of thousands of tons of diesel. There's a lot of
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: people that question whether that's even possible considering the strikes
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: that Ukraine has made on their reserves. On the politics
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: of it, look, this is where I get it a
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: little bit more, which is the president is trying to
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: create the perception, especially among farm state Republicans. So you're
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: talking Michigan, Iowa, Ohio, places where diesel plays significant. into
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: the economy, the agriculture economy of so many voters by
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: showing that I'm willing to do whatever it takes to
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: bring down the cost. Obviously, he is not in a
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: position right now to just stop the war in Iran.
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: And if he does, I would question how quick prices
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: would drop in that. This, in my opinion, is trying
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: to create the perception to voters that that he's doing
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: anything and everything within his capabilities to bring down the cost. Unfortunately,
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: I do think at this point, most voters are sort
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: of beyond the perception piece and looking at that price
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: on the gas station and saying, is it lower or
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: higher than it was last week? And so if you're
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: going to do something like this, you better hope that
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: it has an immediate effect on the price at the pump, which, again,
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: I'm not an energy expert, but the ones that I've
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: seen critique this say that it's not going to have
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: a significant impact. And therefore, while I give them credit
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: for trying and creating the perception, I'm not sure it's
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: going to have an impact as we sit here just
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: over 20 days out from an election.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but scapegoating Ukraine and placating Russia seems to be morally...
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: dubious at very best. I mean, it's just disgusting. He's
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: even allegedly threatening to cut off intelligence and military weapons
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: to Ukraine if he doesn't agree to a deal he
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: claims to have made to stop attacks on both sides'
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: power supplies, which in fact turns out to mean only
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: on Russian oil facilities, not Russian attacks on power generation
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: in Ukraine. Now, Seriously, this is just terrible. I mean,
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: it appalls me, to be frank.
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: Well, and the funny part about this, not the funny thing,
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: the scary part is Russia had an opportunity to play
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: the smart hand here, and they failed. They attacked Ukraine overnight,
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: which shows it was actually, to me— a big slap
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: in the face for the president from Russia, who was
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: getting an opportunity to prove themselves and failed once again. Now, hopefully,
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: I think the president recognises that even when you try
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: to throw them any kind of lifeline, they can't live
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: up to the moment.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: Just finally here, Sean, there are plenty of criticisms to
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: make about Donald Trump, as well as praise to give, obviously.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: But I thought the European Parliament has just shown how childish,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: absolutely childish it is by allowing one of its Danish
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: politicians to display in this building a big gold statue
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: of a naked Donald Trump perched on someone's shoulders. The
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: statue is called the Orange Plague. It's obviously meant to
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: disparage him, to mock him. What does this tell you
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: of Europe's politicians when this can be done in its
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: European Parliament? Well, a couple of things.
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: One, there's a level of childishness that that again, doesn't
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: seem to escape the bounds of America. It goes across
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: the pond now. But secondly, it's not smart politics for them.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: They want the U.S. to continue to support them militarily, economically,
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: and yet you go spit in the face of the
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: leader of the free world right now. It's not exactly
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: going to endear you. So again, I just don't think,
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: I think it's stupid to begin with. It's childish, but
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: then it's also just politically stupid. And that's the thing
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: that if I were one of the other European countries,
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: this might be an opportunity to speak up and say,
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: is this really how we want to have ourselves represented
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: on the world stage?
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: Sean Spicer, always great to talk to you. Thank you
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: so much for your time.
• 29:02
  Speaker 6: Good to see you, Andrew.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: After the break, twin new warnings, how Chinese cars spied
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: on Norwegian soldiers and hackers took over supermarket freezers in
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: six countries. The panel on the new threat and more.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: Two disturbing new examples of machines being turned against us.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: The first, unknown hackers yesterday took over fridges in hundreds
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: of French supermarkets and turned the temperature to up to
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: 50 degrees, spoiling truckloads of food. Similar attack. are reported
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: in Spain, Portugal, Germany, Poland and Belgium. The other example,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: a Norwegian financial newspaper has just reported that Norway's Home
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: Guard last month rented electric cars from a company linked
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: to China to use them on big military maneuvers. Some
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: of the cars were made by Diepel, a Chinese company.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: Soldiers said they found these cars had automatically recorded video footage,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: travel routes, security access codes that the soldiers typed into
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: military gates, recorded where the soldiers were picked up, where
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: they went to. I mean, Joining me are Mia Schlicht,
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Executive Director of the Samuel Griffith Society, and Michael Danby,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: former federal Labor politician and former Chairman of the Joint
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade. Michael, given
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: that background, what does this tell you?
• 30:35
  Speaker 9: Well, just that the Europeans don't realise that we're already
• 30:38
  Speaker 9: in a hybrid warfare with Iran, North Korea, Russia and China.
• 30:44
  Speaker 9: Don't those blockheads in the Finnish Defence Ministry understand that
• 30:47
  Speaker 9: the car details will be just turned over by the
• 30:50
  Speaker 9: CHICOMs to Putin.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, really, you.
• 30:54
  Speaker 9: Just can't believe the stupidity. I'm a bit upset, Andrew,
• 30:56
  Speaker 9: because since your interview with Sean Spicer, Trump has cut
• 31:01
  Speaker 9: off defensive intelligence to the Ukrainians. And as we're speaking,
• 31:05
  Speaker 9: missiles have landed all over Kiev with none of the
• 31:09
  Speaker 9: poor civilians able to get into their shelters.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: I think what he's doing is absolutely disgusting. But there
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: seems to be a total naivety about these sorts of things, Mia,
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: and in Australia too. What do you make of these stories?
• 31:30
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I think it's a huge warning sign signal being
• 31:32
  Speaker 8: sent here to Australia, Andrew. I think we do not
• 31:35
  Speaker 8: take national security nearly seriously enough here in this country
• 31:38
  Speaker 8: on multiple fronts. We don't spend nearly enough on defence.
• 31:41
  Speaker 8: We're not recruiting enough defence personnel. And now when it
• 31:44
  Speaker 8: comes to threats from technology as well, this country is
• 31:47
  Speaker 8: not prepared. We still have... ministers in Canberra who are
• 31:51
  Speaker 8: driving electric vehicles that are manufactured in China. That's Chris
• 31:56
  Speaker 8: Bowen who has one of those vehicles and it just
• 31:58
  Speaker 8: shows they don't take this threat seriously enough. And let's
• 32:00
  Speaker 8: also not forget that under this Albanese government if labour
• 32:03
  Speaker 8: was to have its way we would have an energy
• 32:06
  Speaker 8: system that's entirely reliant on wind and solar and batteries
• 32:10
  Speaker 8: that are built and manufactured in China. And many of
• 32:13
  Speaker 8: those have kill switches that they could just flick those
• 32:16
  Speaker 8: off if they would like to. And for a long time,
• 32:18
  Speaker 8: that's been peddled as some form of conspiracy theory. But
• 32:21
  Speaker 8: what these events in Europe have shown us is that
• 32:23
  Speaker 8: it's not a conspiracy theory. It's a very real threat.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: Michael, and again, I guess, talking about naivety or probably
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: actually much worse, this year's Nobel Peace Prize, It's just
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: been given to Navi Pillay, who was the United Nations
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: High Commissioner for Human Rights, most recently led the United
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Nations Commission that falsely claimed that Israel committed genocide against
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: Palestinians in Gaza. There is no genocide. That's a lie.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: Your reaction to this prize going to her?
• 32:59
  Speaker 9: She resigned from her UN committee, and that tiny UN
• 33:04
  Speaker 9: committee in Geneva doesn't decide whether the war in Gaza
• 33:09
  Speaker 9: was genocide or not. It's an international court that will
• 33:12
  Speaker 9: eventually decide that. She is a disgrace, Andrew. It's not
• 33:17
  Speaker 9: just on this. Chris Sidotti, her sidekick, was down here
• 33:21
  Speaker 9: in Melbourne recently and admitted to the audience, it's on record,
• 33:25
  Speaker 9: that there was a very low standard of evidence for
• 33:28
  Speaker 9: her claims. And this is what she's been lauded by
• 33:32
  Speaker 9: the naive people in Norway for. And who she's done
• 33:37
  Speaker 9: even worse as far as the poor Uyghurs are concerned,
• 33:41
  Speaker 9: shopping them to the Chinese communists in Beijing.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: You're referring there to Emma Riley, a human rights lawyer
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: who worked under this Na'vi Pillai, saying that under her leadership,
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: the UN Human Rights Office handed the names of 50 dissidents, Uyghurs,
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: to China, ignored the warnings about the danger to them
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: and their families and... Families were indeed harassed and punished. Now,
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: and Riley says Pillow is a disgrace. I agree. And
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: yet a woman like this gets a Nobel Peace Prize.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: What does that tell you, Mia, about Nobel judges?
• 34:21
  Speaker 8: They're not serious, Andrew, and I don't think anyone's taken
• 34:23
  Speaker 8: this award seriously for a very long time, probably ever
• 34:26
  Speaker 8: since Obama was awarded it for just basically the idea
• 34:29
  Speaker 8: that he might bring some kind of peace about nine
• 34:31
  Speaker 8: months into the role.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: And since then it's just been a.
• 34:34
  Speaker 8: Whole calamity of recipients of this award. But, look, I
• 34:39
  Speaker 8: think it says it all. When you've got leaders of
• 34:42
  Speaker 8: Hamas who are celebrating the recipient of this award, I
• 34:45
  Speaker 8: really think that says it all when Hamas is thinking
• 34:49
  Speaker 8: these judges did a good job.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Hamas even put out a press release thanking the
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: appointment of her as the Nobel Prize laureate. Josh Frydenberg's book, Michael,
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: I know you're sympathetic to Josh, but I have to
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: say self-serving is... a kind way of putting what it's about.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Here's the former Treasurer writing a book, heaping criticism on
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: the Liberals, offering himself essentially as the new leader without
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: even having put up his hand to run again after
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: being defeated by a Teal Independent two elections ago.
• 35:30
  Speaker 9: Well, it's a hard job running against Teal Independence. As
• 35:34
  Speaker 9: Tim Wilson knows, you have to take three years off
• 35:36
  Speaker 9: to do it. And I don't think it'll happen. I
• 35:39
  Speaker 9: think Josh is at an international bank and.
• 35:44
  Speaker 9: Look, the Liberals may win here in Victoria. That may
• 35:47
  Speaker 9: give him momentum. You'd have to have polling that shows
• 35:50
  Speaker 9: that you could beat Monique Ryan and you'd have to
• 35:52
  Speaker 9: be right into it. But I don't think it will happen.
• 35:55
  Speaker 9: I think Angus Taylor's improved a bit over the last
• 35:59
  Speaker 9: few days with his migration policy. But we're yet to
• 36:03
  Speaker 9: see how the Liberal One Nation preferences to each other
• 36:07
  Speaker 9: and their momentum will go. All hangs on the Victorian election.
• 36:11
  Speaker 9: It's the hinge of history.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: Yes, but then there's a New South Wales election, Mia,
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: after that where, you know, the Liberals probably get smashed there.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: I'm just thinking if Josh does not, he's doing this
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: dance of the seven veils, probably 70 veils is up
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: to now, about whether he will or won't run. If
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: he doesn't run and is just piled on the pressure
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: on the Liberals and then not offered himself as the Messiah,
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: that makes it even more irresponsible, doesn't it?
• 36:48
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I think it does, Andrew, particularly because in that seat,
• 36:52
  Speaker 8: If there's any possibility that Josh is going to put
• 36:54
  Speaker 8: up his hand and run for that seat, I think
• 36:56
  Speaker 8: that would deter many serious candidates from taking up the
• 36:59
  Speaker 8: role because there is kind of an assumption that if
• 37:01
  Speaker 8: Josh wants it, he can come in and he could
• 37:03
  Speaker 8: take that. So that would be my concern, is that
• 37:05
  Speaker 8: we might lose some really good and serious candidates for
• 37:09
  Speaker 8: putting up their hand for the seat of Kuyong, which
• 37:11
  Speaker 8: is a seat the Liberals desperately need to win back
• 37:13
  Speaker 8: if they want to reform government. And I'll also pick
• 37:16
  Speaker 8: up on your point before about it being a self-serving book.
• 37:19
  Speaker 8: I'm a bit sick of these former ministers writing books
• 37:21
  Speaker 8: about themselves. The only one who hasn't... Tony Abbott has
• 37:25
  Speaker 8: written a book about how proud he is of the country. Instead,
• 37:28
  Speaker 8: we've got people like Josh Frydenberg and Malcolm Turnbull writing
• 37:31
  Speaker 8: books about themselves and everything they could have and the
• 37:33
  Speaker 8: Liberals should have done better. I would have liked to
• 37:35
  Speaker 8: have seen that when they were actually in the job.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: That is a bit true. As I said in my column, Michael,
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: the missing chapter of this book, long as it is,
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: should have been called, I don't know, My Mistakes, Why
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: I Made My Mistakes and How I've Changed. But I
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: don't think Josh is up to that kind of thing.
• 37:58
  Speaker 8: No.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: Look, he did make mistakes.
• 38:01
  Speaker 9: In retrospect, clearly it was over-expenditure, and I'm speaking for
• 38:05
  Speaker 9: the ghosts of Peter Walsh and people like him on
• 38:09
  Speaker 9: the the coronavirus. But again, as someone earlier on News24
• 38:14
  Speaker 9: said today, you didn't necessarily know when the pandemic would end.
• 38:21
  Speaker 9: So that's an excuse he could make. But Australia really
• 38:27
  Speaker 9: went into death during that period. And I think I've
• 38:30
  Speaker 9: got a better candidate for Koo Yong for the Liberal
• 38:32
  Speaker 9: Party anyhow. I think Mia should do it. She'd be
• 38:34
  Speaker 9: a great candidate and adornment to federal parliament.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: We will take up that crusade the second now that
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: you've said it. Mia, I'm afraid we've got another career
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: in mind for you now. Mia Schlieff, Michael Danby, thank
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: you so much to you both. After the break... I
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: don't know. I didn't hear Mia say thank you to
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: Michael for that, so I don't know. We'll see. I'll
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: talk to her afterwards. After the break, Matt Canavan. Well,
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: when we're talking about, oh, too many immigrants and all that,
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: let's not forget, not all immigrants are the same. And
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: it's the Albanese government's plan cuts immigration, which are now
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: being attacked for that reason in a very tough new
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: ad campaign by the Australian Hotels Association. Might give it
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: a go.
• 39:28
  Speaker 6: What's the worst that could happen?
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: I have to go.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: Now, Arthur.
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: I'll miss our chats.
• 39:31
  Speaker 10: What's a bloke have to do to get a coffee
• 39:33
  Speaker 10: around here?
• 39:35
  Speaker 6: Where's Sven? Gone back to Sweden.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: Half the kitchen too. Where the hell's all the fruit?
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: Still on the trees.
• 39:41
  Speaker 6: Pop, can I get an apple? Maybe for Christmas. What
• 39:44
  Speaker 6: do you mean my room isn't clean?
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: We're short-staffed.
• 39:47
  Speaker 10: You'll need to clean it yourself.
• 39:48
  Speaker 6: Room 508.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: Good luck. Bye, Mum. Oh, good.
• 39:51
  Speaker 6: Can you give me a hand?
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: The nurse has gone home.
• 39:54
  Speaker 7: Be a love and wipe my bottom.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: That's just some of it. Now, it's true that the
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: Coalition and One Nation promise even deeper cuts to our
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: out-of-control intake, but it's Labor's cuts which turn out to
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: be the dumbest. I've already pointed out it's crazy for
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: the Albanese government to respond to public fears of mass
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: immigration by promising to slash the number of people on
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: working holiday visas, backpackers, by nearly 40,000 a year, yet
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: at the same time sticking to its doubling of the
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: refugee intake, slashing backpackers, mainly from Europe and Japan, but
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: doubling refugees who are mainly Muslims from Syria, Afghanistan and Myanmar.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: The Hotels Association today said this is actually an economic mistake,
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: not just a cultural one, because these backpackers must work
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: a lot of their time in the country and they
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: don't then add to house prices in Sydney and Melbourne.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: Joining me is our regular Tuesday commentator, Matt Canavan, leader
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: of the Nationals. Matt, great to see you. The ALDC
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: government is cutting backpacker visas by nearly 40,000 a year, sticking,
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: as I said, with its doubling of refugee and humanitarian
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  Speaker 1: visas to 20,000 a year. The opposition, you, are doing
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  Speaker 1: the opposite.
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  Speaker 10: Well, that is what you've outlined is exactly true, Andrew,
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  Speaker 10: and you've put it very well. The reason we're not
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  Speaker 10: making cuts to the Working Holiday Maker program is because
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  Speaker 10: that program works. It works for our country. It's in
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  Speaker 10: the name of the program. The people in that program
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  Speaker 10: do work. They have to work to extend their time
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  Speaker 10: here in this nation, and many of them, most of them,
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  Speaker 10: to get that extension have to do work in regional areas.
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  Speaker 10: So they go to parts of the country that often
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  Speaker 10: are lacking workers. They're not contributing, as you said, to
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  Speaker 10: the housing shortages in our capital cities. And they're contributing
• 41:52
  Speaker 10: to our farms, to our tourism industry, to our hospitality sector.
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  Speaker 10: And then there's another win. There's another win that people
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  Speaker 10: often forget for our country from this visa class. Then
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  Speaker 10: those backpackers, they generally will go on a holiday and
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  Speaker 10: spend the money they earn back in Australia, travelling around Australia,
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  Speaker 10: enjoying our beautiful country. That's why they've come here in
• 42:13
  Speaker 10: the first place. They go on that holiday. it creates
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  Speaker 10: more economic opportunity for all Australians. That program is not
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  Speaker 10: a problem. It's been working well for a long period
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  Speaker 10: of time. The problem is the surge in three visa
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  Speaker 10: classes under this government, bridging visas, graduate visas and student visas.
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  Speaker 10: And that's why we have proposed, yes, a big cut
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  Speaker 10: to migration, the biggest planned cut in Australian history, but
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  Speaker 10: we've focused on those visas that aren't contributing to those
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  Speaker 10: jobs but are contributing to stresses and strains in our
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  Speaker 10: major cities. Now, the question is why hasn't the government
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  Speaker 10: tackled that major problem They seem far too close to
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  Speaker 10: our universities, not wanting to take on that industry, not
• 42:49
  Speaker 10: wanting to take on the communities in major cities. So
• 42:53
  Speaker 10: they've gone after the farmers. They've gone after the small
• 42:55
  Speaker 10: businesses once again because this government makes a political calculation
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  Speaker 10: about everything. They don't need their support.
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  Speaker 1: Matt, you're a very Christian gentleman, always kind. You've been
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  Speaker 1: publicly warm and welcoming to former Liberal Treasurer Josh Frydenberg,
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  Speaker 1: who's written a new memoir, warning that the coalition is
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: a mess, on the wrong track, hinting that he could
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  Speaker 1: take over, even offering his manifesto, including increasing the GST,
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  Speaker 1: without even saying yet if he will run for election
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  Speaker 1: and kindly take over. Labor again used Frydenberg to attack
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  Speaker 1: the Liberals. Here he is. Josh Frydenberg thinks the Liberal
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: Party is circling the drain on your watch, and he's right.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't it true that Josh Frydenberg and his book, that's
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: hurting you right now, isn't it? You got it half right, Andrew.
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  Speaker 10: I'm actually Catholic, which means I've got original sin and
• 43:54
  Speaker 10: I always feel guilty about not doing the right thing.
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  Speaker 10: I'm a fallen individual. So thank you for the compliments. But, look,
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  Speaker 10: I've always got along with Josh. I served with him
• 44:05
  Speaker 10: in government. He is and was a great contributor to
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  Speaker 10: our party room. Look, I think your points would probably
• 44:15
  Speaker 10: be right, Andrew, maybe in the way politics used to,
• 44:19
  Speaker 10: you know, the old political rules used to apply. I
• 44:22
  Speaker 10: feel it's a new environment right now. There's so many
• 44:24
  Speaker 10: voices out there online. Josh saying a few things is
• 44:29
  Speaker 10: all credit and respect to Josh. I just don't think
• 44:33
  Speaker 10: it's going to make a huge impact out there in
• 44:35
  Speaker 10: the real world. There's so much noise coming through different
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  Speaker 10: channels to people these days. It's not such a big deal.
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  Speaker 10: In saying that, I always welcome contributions to the policy debate.
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  Speaker 10: I mean, right now, our country's in a total mess,
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  Speaker 10: in massive decline under this government. We should welcome all
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  Speaker 10: sorts of voices to try and work out what should
• 44:55
  Speaker 10: be done. I'm not agreeing with everything Josh has said,
• 44:58
  Speaker 10: but that's fine. I'm big enough to have a debate
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  Speaker 10: with anyone. And as I say, I welcome contributions to
• 45:03
  Speaker 10: the public policy debate.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: So you welcome a policy contribution from Josh that says,
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: you know, if I'm going to take over the Liberals
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  Speaker 1: or the Coalition, I want the GST increased. You welcome
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: this suggestion that's being used against you, that you have
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: Josh Frydenberg saying the GST must be increased?
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  Speaker 10: Look, Andrew, I just came. I was a bit late
• 45:29
  Speaker 10: to your show tonight because... We had a function to
• 45:32
  Speaker 10: recognise some of the retiring Nationals MPs that occurred in
• 45:35
  Speaker 10: the last Parliament, including David Gillespie, wonderful member for Line.
• 45:40
  Speaker 10: He might go down as the father of the Australian
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  Speaker 10: Nuclear Energy.
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  Speaker 6: Industry, who did such good work there.
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  Speaker 10: But he also did suggest, I reminded our colleagues tonight,
• 45:46
  Speaker 10: he did suggest, he was originally suggesting an increase in
• 45:48
  Speaker 10: the GST many years ago. And I'm sure you've forgotten
• 45:51
  Speaker 10: about that. Lots of others would have. It didn't hurt
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  Speaker 10: our chances back then. We went on to win the
• 45:55
  Speaker 10: next election. We have always welcomed debate in our party room.
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  Speaker 1: It does.
• 45:59
  Speaker 10: does distinguish us from the Labor Party and the Greens.
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  Speaker 10: Up until recently, the Greens political party, they were all
• 46:04
  Speaker 10: breaking out now all over the place. But the Labor Party,
• 46:07
  Speaker 10: they never allow debate. They never allow different contributions of ideas.
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  Speaker 10: And I think that's why they get themselves into messes
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  Speaker 10: like the budget this year, because they all sit back,
• 46:15
  Speaker 10: the whole lot of them, and nod and clap when
• 46:19
  Speaker 10: Jim Chalmers puts his budget down and no one's there
• 46:22
  Speaker 10: to ring the alarm bells before it's too late. So
• 46:25
  Speaker 10: I think there is a benefit in having people speak
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  Speaker 10: their minds early and you can take it, you can
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  Speaker 10: cop it. It's better to get that feedback before you
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  Speaker 10: make a mistake. So as I say, I welcome all
• 46:35
  Speaker 10: of these contributions.
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  Speaker 1: You actually like the idea of a GST increase?
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  Speaker 10: No, I don't think that's the recipe for our country.
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  Speaker 10: As I said, I don't agree with everything that people
• 46:46
  Speaker 10: put forward, including Josh. Look, we've got a plan to
• 46:49
  Speaker 10: cut taxes. That's what we are focused on doing. I
• 46:50
  Speaker 10: think that's what our country needs right now. The increased
• 46:53
  Speaker 10: taxes in the budget this year have done enormous damage
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  Speaker 10: to economic confidence, seeing the property market fall through the floor.
• 47:00
  Speaker 10: We need to restore that confidence. So not only will I,
• 47:03
  Speaker 10: with Angus Taylor, cut taxes across the board, or cut
• 47:07
  Speaker 10: all of Labor's taxes, we will also provide an automatic
• 47:10
  Speaker 10: tax cut every year to make sure inflation doesn't erode
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  Speaker 10: your pay rises. You've got the Labor Party out there saying,
• 47:16
  Speaker 10: it's great, people are getting a pay rise. The problem is,
• 47:19
  Speaker 10: of course, inflation erodes all that pay rise. And then
• 47:22
  Speaker 10: they come and tax you as you go up higher
• 47:24
  Speaker 10: into higher tax brackets. And we'll remove that inflation tax.
• 47:28
  Speaker 10: We'll put Canberra on a diet and give you some
• 47:30
  Speaker 10: of your money back. You earn more, you'll get to
• 47:32
  Speaker 10: keep more under a Liberal national government.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: But just quickly, last question on that. I know it's
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: a nuisance for you, but this is the damage it's doing.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: If Frydenberg does not now run for election, he just
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: heaps this criticism, adds unhelpful suggestions about a rise in GST.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: and then doesn't stand for election, it's just caused you
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  Speaker 1: damage for nothing, isn't it?
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  Speaker 10: Look, again, Andrew, I don't want to disrespect Josh.
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  Speaker 1: I like him.
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  Speaker 10: I just don't think that many people care. I don't
• 48:03
  Speaker 10: think that many people care. And I'm not really caring
• 48:08
  Speaker 10: that much either. I'm focused on delivering for the Australian
• 48:11
  Speaker 10: people and winning government and removing this terrible government. I'll
• 48:14
  Speaker 10: keep laser right on that.
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  Speaker 1: And, of course, we should point out there was a
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: poll that you kindly directed my attention to yesterday that
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: suggested that you and the Nationals are picking up a
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: lot more support in the rural areas, which is a
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: good sign for you. Matt Canavan, thank you so much
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  Speaker 1: indeed for your time. Really appreciate it. Coming up next
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  Speaker 1: is the wonderful Shari Martin. Good night.