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So If Everyone Knew... · The Wes Carroll Morning Show

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Speaker 1: The news, opinions, commentary and interviews you need to start
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Speaker 1: your day.
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Speaker 2: You're listening to The West Carrol Morning Show. Tuesday, twelfth
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Speaker 2: day of April. I'm Wes, thanks for joining me. Inching
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Speaker 2: a little closer to tax Day and all that fun stuff.
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Speaker 3: We're two weeks into April. I'm not really sure how
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Speaker 3: it's kind of flown by here, but it did, didn't it.
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Speaker 3: I had a doctor's appointment yesterday, by the way, if
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Speaker 3: you got like back in joint and things issues, and
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Speaker 3: I've talked about my issues with my next surgery. I
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Speaker 3: had some other procedures done before the next surgery, and
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Speaker 3: I mentioned I don't know how much I talked about
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Speaker 3: my spine specialist or my the person who's been helping
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Speaker 3: me with pain concerning my some of the other not
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Speaker 3: specifically the vertebrate surgeries that I needed. That was doctor
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Speaker 3: Eric Westerland, who took great care of me. Surgery was great,
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Speaker 3: repaired my spine. It put the spacers in separated things.
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Speaker 3: And you know, I talked a lot about that procedure
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Speaker 3: because that that that's one of those things that feels
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Speaker 3: like a bigger deal. You know, sometimes you have these
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Speaker 3: surgeries and it just like it's my neck, you know,
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Speaker 3: anytime it's it's anything to do with your spinal cord,
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Speaker 3: it is something that you you know, it feels like
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Speaker 3: a bigger deal, right, It just does. And I talked
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Speaker 3: about it because it was gonna, you know, put me
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Speaker 3: away from doing the show for a few days, which
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Speaker 3: it did. It had an impact on my voice. It's
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Speaker 3: still having an impact on my voice. There's things that
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Speaker 3: I am still working through, and it's just the process
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Speaker 3: for all of it. When I yawn, it is excruciatingly
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Speaker 3: painful because of the way they go in through the
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Speaker 3: us excruciating. It's very painful, but excruciating, maybe a little hyperbolic.
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Speaker 3: It hurts a lot when I yawn, and it just
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Speaker 3: has to do with the way they have to move
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Speaker 3: things around in your throat to get to the to
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Speaker 3: get to everything as they go through the front for
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Speaker 3: that surgery.
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Speaker 4: So I talked about that.
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Speaker 3: I may I believe I have mentioned my spine and
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Speaker 3: joint guy, who's a different, different guy, And when I
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Speaker 3: was seeing him about a year ago learning about some
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Speaker 3: of the arthritis and my facet joints in my neck,
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Speaker 3: I know I'm getting deep into the the anatomy lesson.
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Speaker 3: But that was the initial thing that led me to
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Speaker 3: the pain. That was the thing that led me to
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Speaker 3: finding out about what was going on with my neck
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Speaker 3: and what was going the pain that I had that
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Speaker 3: I had been dealing with for years. So I started
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Speaker 3: to go to my doctor, referred me to my primary
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Speaker 3: care doctor, referred me to doctor Shaw. And he now
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Speaker 3: has his own office. He's got his own building and
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Speaker 3: Veritas Spine and Joint.
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Speaker 4: He's not paying me to tell you this. I'm just
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Speaker 4: telling you. He's a good guy.
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Speaker 3: And he met his family and they all came to
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Speaker 3: see me in The Nutcracker. I'm pretty sure I talked
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Speaker 3: about them in this regard because the day that I
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Speaker 3: met him, we were talking about my neck pain and
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Speaker 3: the fact that I was in The Nutcracker, and he
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Speaker 3: bought tickets or the show for his whole extended family
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Speaker 3: everybody that day, Like he was sitting there buying the
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Speaker 3: tickets before I left the office. Well, he now has
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Speaker 3: his own place. It's Veritas. It's on twentieth Street. If
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Speaker 3: you drive, you come up that hill with Piedmont Midtown
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Speaker 3: on your right. If you're coming from the veterans area,
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Speaker 3: you see him up there on the left. He's got
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Speaker 3: the building there up on the left. And I went
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Speaker 3: to see him yesterday for some follow ups on things
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Speaker 3: I still have issues with that arthritis and those Fassett joints.
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Speaker 3: He did an RFA procedure on me, which it was effective,
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Speaker 3: but it's one of those procedures that you do it
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Speaker 3: and you're gonna have to do it again at some point.
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Speaker 3: Most likely sometimes it just takes and you never have
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Speaker 3: to do it again.
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Speaker 4: And he did that for.
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Speaker 3: Me, I guess about a year ago, and we've hit
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Speaker 3: that point where I'm starting to have some pain again.
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Speaker 3: So anyway, I was back seeing him yesterday and as
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Speaker 3: they're making their scheduling my next appointment to go in
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Speaker 3: to see him, I'm thinking, well, that's that's a long
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Speaker 3: waist from now. No, it's not, it's not at all.
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Speaker 3: Today is the thirteenth, And you know, after talking about
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Speaker 3: you know, yesterday morning, the whole Monday of the thirteenth thing,
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Speaker 3: it all clicked and I thought, my gosh, no, that's
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Speaker 3: that's not far off at all. So that's why I
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Speaker 3: mention it. But if you need a spine and joint guy,
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Speaker 3: this is the guy, doctor Shaw. Veritas Spine and Joint
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Speaker 3: is his building and.
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Speaker 4: Great.
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Speaker 3: He had a great team before I met some of
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Speaker 3: the new team yesterday when I got in there, and
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Speaker 3: just really happy with the work that he's done for
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Speaker 3: me and we'll continue to do for me. So I'm
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Speaker 3: just throwing that out there again. This isn't a paid endorsement.
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Speaker 3: This is just this is my friend and I know him.
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Speaker 3: He's my friend because he's my doctor, and it's one.
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Speaker 4: Of those situations.
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Speaker 3: So just thought I would share that and pass that along.
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Speaker 3: So we're now two weeks into into April and we're
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Speaker 3: keeping an eye continue to keep.
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Speaker 4: An eye on what's going on with Iran. What's going on.
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Speaker 3: There's so much playing out with with what's going over there,
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Speaker 3: uh in the in the Strait, and we're going to
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Speaker 3: see if if this makes a difference. It's going to
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Speaker 3: take some time, but we're going to see how this
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Speaker 3: plays out. But when you think about the fact that Iran,
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Speaker 3: they produce oil.
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Speaker 4: They don't produce gas. They produce oil.
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Speaker 3: The oil has to be taken out and then brought
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Speaker 3: back and if if you know, they're not able to
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Speaker 3: do that, that's going to stifle them tremendously, and then
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Speaker 3: there's a lot of countries like China that you know,
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Speaker 3: are waiting for shipments to come from Iran, and at
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Speaker 3: some point, China's going to have to say, hey, Iran,
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Speaker 3: You're going to have to get on Trump's good side
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Speaker 3: because we've got to keep business going on. So we're
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Speaker 3: you know, I know, it's mixed bag. It depends on
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Speaker 3: what colors you wear, how effective people are projecting all
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Speaker 3: of this to go. A lot of people saying that
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Speaker 3: this should have happened sooner. Apparently according to some reports
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Speaker 3: with the meeting in Pakistan, that they were very close
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Speaker 3: before to getting something worked out, according to some on
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Speaker 3: the inside, And I guess that will be determined by
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Speaker 3: what happens. As of recording, no agreement's been made, and
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Speaker 3: this is where we're at, so we'll see how things
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Speaker 3: play out. I don't have talked about Eric Swallwell more
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Speaker 3: than I want to talk about Eric swall Well for
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Speaker 3: the rest of my life. And it seems like maybe
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Speaker 3: he's finally just going away. But I feel like there's
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Speaker 3: something else in this story that's worth talking about, and
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Speaker 3: I just it's one of those frustrating things for me
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Speaker 3: when the first time. And look, you don't always get
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Speaker 3: a perfect read on someone.
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Speaker 4: You just don't.
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Speaker 3: But there's times where you see someone kind of that
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Speaker 3: first time and you just see them and you kind
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Speaker 3: of get a when you hear him talk and you
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Speaker 3: just go, I know who this person is. I know
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Speaker 3: who they are, I know who they're always going to be.
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Speaker 3: And that's something that happened with him. It happened with
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Speaker 3: me with Gavin Newsom, it happened with me with Eric Swallwell.
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Speaker 3: There's just people that they just have this smarminess about him.
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Speaker 4: There's just.
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Speaker 3: Something that's there. It's palpable when you just hear them speak,
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Speaker 3: and that's that's Eric Swallwell. It's just you can tell
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Speaker 3: from the ego and the attitude and all these things,
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Speaker 3: and you know he he obviously, you know, we knew
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Speaker 3: it showed time yesterday that he was stepping down from
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Speaker 3: the governor's race, and I was asking the question, well,
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Speaker 3: the people that were pushing him to step down, you know,
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Speaker 3: why wasn't that sentiment, Why hasn't that sentiment been there
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Speaker 3: the whole time for him to step down from his
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Speaker 3: role in the House.
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Speaker 4: And you know that that started to happen.
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Speaker 3: Now we're finally getting around to that as both sides
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Speaker 3: are saying, we need to clean up some of this.
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Speaker 3: We got these people that have these reputations, We need
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Speaker 3: to clean things up, you know. And that's true, and
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Speaker 3: you know, both parties this is a non partisan thing.
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Speaker 3: It should be when it comes to the way people
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Speaker 3: are abusing power, and you know, especially you know, you
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Speaker 3: get into a role in politics and then you're abusing.
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Speaker 4: You know, women on staff. That's awful.
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Speaker 3: So and I know people have to have you know,
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Speaker 3: we have to have some sense. It can't just be
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Speaker 3: one accusation thrown out and then you just like what
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Speaker 3: Katy Perry's dealing with, which is bizarre.
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Speaker 4: And I don't know. I don't know what.
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Speaker 3: Katy Perry's deal is with Ruby Rose. I can't pretend
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Speaker 3: that I'm going to know. But if we end up
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Speaker 3: with like twenty thirty fifty accusations against her, then maybe
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Speaker 3: there's a conversation to have there. But again, Katy Perry,
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Speaker 3: in spite of being an astronaut, she's not in politics,
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Speaker 3: and you know, that's a whole other issue. We're talking
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Speaker 3: about someone who's holding office, and this is where the
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Speaker 3: extra concern comes in because it's now being said by
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Speaker 3: more and more people that everybody knew this. Everybody knew
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Speaker 3: this about Eric Swalwell on the left, they knew it.
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Speaker 3: Alissa Farrah Griffin from the View and I'm really I'm
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Speaker 3: really hitting it today more Eric Swalwell talk the View
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Speaker 3: and anyway. So she says it was an open secret.
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Speaker 3: She said Swalwell sat on the Intel Committee, and there
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Speaker 3: were allegations that he had a suspected Chinese spy, Feng Fang,
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Speaker 3: who was associated with him in his office. She says,
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Speaker 3: Now he was not found to have engaged in wrongdoing,
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Speaker 3: but to me, my spidey senses from having worked at
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Speaker 3: the Pentagon go off, which is it was an open
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Speaker 3: secret that he had issues with women and that he
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Speaker 3: was probably sorry whether he was susceptible to potentially heavy
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Speaker 3: drinking and to impropriety with women.
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Speaker 4: I think I got all those words out, she says.
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Speaker 3: I think we need to remember that winning isn't everything,
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Speaker 3: and you lose the plot when you think that when
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Speaker 3: somebody does something that's beyond the pale, and it should
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Speaker 3: that should be it, and we should move on and
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Speaker 3: get back to that kind of society I think they're
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Speaker 3: the victims. The allegations are horrible, They're well documented, this
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Speaker 3: is I mean, deeply reported. And then as someone else
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Speaker 3: on the show, I think, jumped in and pointed out
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Speaker 3: the fact that this was Sarah Haynes, also on the show,
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Speaker 3: says that this all started in twenty nineteen and it
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Speaker 3: was on the other side of me too, So it
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Speaker 3: wasn't like it was part of me too. This was
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Speaker 3: in the you should know better phase of it, I
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Speaker 3: assume is what she was going for with that.
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Speaker 4: Okay, so this is the thing.
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Speaker 3: If this is well documented and it was well known
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Speaker 3: and it was this you know secret, why are we
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Speaker 3: now holier than that? Why did it take getting to
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Speaker 3: this point before people say, well, wait a minute, this
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Speaker 3: is terrible, and I talked about this yesterday. You get
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Speaker 3: to this point where it's terrible because there are people
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Speaker 3: who want to make an issue of it for the
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Speaker 3: sake of a campaign. It's like when Kamala Harris pointed.
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Speaker 4: Out all of the horrible.
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Speaker 3: Sexist, racist things that Joe Biden said in the past
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Speaker 3: while they were running against each other, and basically, you know,
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Speaker 3: he gets to a position where they have to pick
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Speaker 3: a vice president and I've told you my thoughts on
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Speaker 3: why they picked her because she was a useful idiot.
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Speaker 3: She wasn't going to outshine him, and it was checking
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Speaker 3: their boxes that they had already decided they were going
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Speaker 3: to check. But the big box they wanted to check
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Speaker 3: was useful idiot and that's what they found. And they
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Speaker 3: somehow found a bigger, more useful idiot to be the
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Speaker 3: running mate for her as VP. But there's always one
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Speaker 3: of those people. But anyway, so you have this well known,
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Speaker 3: well documented thing and for people to say, well, we
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Speaker 3: just wouldn't talk about it because you know, I mean,
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Speaker 3: it was just out there. People knew, But why didn't
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Speaker 3: you talk about it? Where was the concern for that?
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Speaker 3: You have all of these people that want so badly
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Speaker 3: there to be these horrible things about Trump and the
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Speaker 3: Epstein files. They just want it now. They start going
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Speaker 3: after his wife. They want things to be there, and
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Speaker 3: they're just digging and looking and try. It's like going
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Speaker 3: through going through your ancestry and you want to be
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Speaker 3: connected to Abraham Lincoln and you just want so badly
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Speaker 3: that you'll do anything to get there. That's what they're
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Speaker 3: just looking for a way to connect Okay, maybe this
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Speaker 3: email and that email and you put them together and
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Speaker 3: it meant that. Meanwhile, there's a lot of really incriminating
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Speaker 3: stuff about the Clintons in there, and I know they've
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Speaker 3: had their time to speak, but people were blowing right
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Speaker 3: past that. And my question is, if you're if you're
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Speaker 3: so concerned about inappropriate conduct, and then you have someone
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Speaker 3: in the House of Representatives in your party that it's
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Speaker 3: just common knowledge that he does this inappropriate stuff with women,
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Speaker 3: where's the outrage. Can we retroactively go back and have
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Speaker 3: the outrage about Bill Clinton when he was president. Can
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Speaker 3: we go back and say, hey, he was in power,
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Speaker 3: he should I'm not trying to go back, and you know,
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Speaker 3: definition of is is or anything. I'm just pointing out
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Speaker 3: the fact that we just it's this thirst and quest
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Speaker 3: and hunger for power that says, you know, we needs well,
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Speaker 3: we need that guy, so we can't run him out
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Speaker 3: of here.
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Speaker 4: We need him now.
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Speaker 3: They feel like their hand has been forced because of
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Speaker 3: people running for governor, so they have to kind of
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Speaker 3: do this. They don't have a choice. They have to
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Speaker 3: go after this guy. And here's the other point that
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Speaker 3: I think is also interesting. It's going back to the
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Speaker 3: Fang Fang thing, and this is the words of Griffin.
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Speaker 3: She says, he was not found to have engaged in wrongdoing.
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Speaker 3: But to me, my spidy senses from the Pentagon go off, So.
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Speaker 4: He was not found to.
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Speaker 3: Have engaged in wrongdoing with all of this stuff that
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Speaker 3: people knew until recently, in the last couple of weeks.
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Speaker 4: But people knew that he was doing it. People knew
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Speaker 4: that this behavior was happening. They kind of look past it.
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Speaker 4: They let it go.
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Speaker 3: And now, I mean, I think this is a great
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Speaker 3: point to bring up. And I don't think she's bringing
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Speaker 3: it up for the reason that I am. I think
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Speaker 3: she brings it up and just says, you know, nobody
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Speaker 3: said it was wrongdoing back then. I think it's I
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Speaker 3: think it's great that she brought it up because maybe
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Speaker 3: it is wrongdoing. Maybe there is something there that people
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Speaker 3: know about they just haven't talked about. I mean, a
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Speaker 3: Chinese spy coming into his office while he's on the
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Speaker 3: Intel Committee. Now, I hope he didn't have too much info.
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Speaker 3: And didn't she just disappear in a thin air? Wasn't
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Speaker 3: she just poof and she was gone? And everybody's like,
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Speaker 3: where where did Fang fang go all right, I hope,
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Speaker 3: I hope other than whenever he maybe steps down, if
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Speaker 3: they can actually run him off. This maybe the last
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Speaker 3: time we have to talk about Eric Swallwell for a while.
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Speaker 4: I hope.
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Speaker 3: I could probably do a whole show on this topic.
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Speaker 3: I could probably do a whole podcast series on this topic.
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Speaker 3: But it's about digital body language. You know what body
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Speaker 3: language is, and it's it's important in our nonverbal communications
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Speaker 3: with other people. It's important in a number of different ways.
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Speaker 3: There's things that we tells that we have expert on
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Speaker 3: this that are really good at it. You know, the
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Speaker 3: people that are do interrogations and things like that. But
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Speaker 3: in general, there's things that we can see and observe.
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Speaker 3: Some people more observant than others. I've been called more
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Speaker 3: observant than others about this topic and other things. Just
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Speaker 3: you know, I can in about ten minutes looking at
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Speaker 3: any general like family sitting in a restaurant, I can
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Speaker 3: tell you the dynamic. I can tell you who they're
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Speaker 3: waiting on to come to the table, all of those
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Speaker 3: things without snooping. I just look at them and I
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Speaker 3: can kind of gauge what's going on.
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Speaker 4: I've been known to.
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Speaker 3: Do that before so, And part of it is body language.
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Speaker 3: Part of it is you know, you look at where
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Speaker 3: people are sitting, how they're sitting, that kind of thing.
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Speaker 3: There's a thing called digital body language, which basically relates
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Speaker 3: to the things that we do, the nonverbal things, if
22:53
Speaker 3: you will, as it pertains to you know, our phones
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Speaker 3: or social media. How quickly you reply to a message,
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Speaker 3: for one, the specific word choices that you make, the
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Speaker 3: emojis that you use or don't use.
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Speaker 4: Punctuation.
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Speaker 3: Experts say that people use small cues to decide whether
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Speaker 3: someone is interested, invested, or disengaged. If you reply too slowly,
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Speaker 3: then it can signal some distress and disinterest. I guess
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Speaker 3: both of those things. Anxiety can come from that if
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Speaker 3: it's too slow, and if you reply instantly every time,
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Speaker 3: it can come across as desperate. Can also come across
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Speaker 3: as you've got nothing really going on. One word text
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Speaker 3: may seem kind of minimal effort or again disinterest. Really
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Speaker 3: long messages can seem a little intense, especially if it
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Speaker 3: happens too soon. So the person who initiates the conversation
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Speaker 3: and how often they do that can sometimes send a
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Speaker 3: message it's interesting and it's something that I don't know.
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Speaker 3: If you're like me, once the thoughts in your head,
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Speaker 3: you're going to think about it a lot more. But
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Speaker 3: it's a thing digital body language, all right. Couple of
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Speaker 3: work stories. One of these is basically about it's from
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Speaker 3: on the site Reddit. They've got a forum.
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Speaker 4: Called ai ta am I the A hole.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know how else I don't know
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Speaker 3: else to water it down, And it's basically someone saying
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Speaker 3: that in their office on their desk, they keep some
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Speaker 3: candy on the desk and they said that people are
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Speaker 3: constantly coming by looking at the candy. They do the
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Speaker 3: whole like, oh, I'm so bad, this is so naughty
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Speaker 3: of me. Performance are that goes on before they end
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Speaker 3: up taking a candy. And she said finally she got
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Speaker 3: to a point where there was one and she hates
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Speaker 3: it in general, I guess, but she said that one
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Speaker 3: person was lingering in the doorway saying, you're so bad
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Speaker 3: I guess for having them on the desk, and she
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Speaker 3: said she finally just told her that she was weird
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Speaker 3: and asked her to stop with that. And then it
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Speaker 3: turned into like telling other people in the office, like
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Speaker 3: you know, don't don't go get candy from her desk,
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Speaker 3: and this woman went to the site to basically say, am.
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Speaker 4: I a jerk?
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Speaker 3: I can clean it up that way for telling her
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Speaker 3: to stop with the whole performance art. So it is
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Speaker 3: interesting that because I hate it too. I mean, it's
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Speaker 3: not so much that I've never really been one to
25:53
Speaker 3: have candy on my desk at work. First of all,
25:55
Speaker 3: if I had candy on my desk at work, I
25:57
Speaker 3: would eat it. That would be the thing for me
25:59
Speaker 3: is if it's just sitting there and it's just begging
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Speaker 3: to But my wife has like peppermints or something on
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Speaker 3: her desk that you know, occasionally it's on the shopping list,
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Speaker 3: and I know what they're for. She's putting replenishing the
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Speaker 3: ones on her desk. I don't have peppermints fall into
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Speaker 3: the category of like, oh, this is so bad. But
26:16
Speaker 3: anytime someone has donuts, anytime someone has some kind of
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Speaker 3: suites at an office situation, people go through this whole
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Speaker 3: routine of maybe I shouldn't, maybe I don't know. No,
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Speaker 3: you're not a jerk for saying cut it out with
26:30
Speaker 3: the show. You don't need a show to go with it.
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Speaker 3: One more office place when a new study suggesting that
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Speaker 3: certain personality traits may influence what kinds of jobs people
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Speaker 3: are drawn to, which raises eyebrows because it shows that
26:44
Speaker 3: the professions most likely to attract psychopaths are mechanical or
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Speaker 3: technical jobs.
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Speaker 4: I thought it was radio, but.
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Speaker 3: Researchers at the University of Illinois not a lot, just
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Speaker 3: some like intense ones. Researchers at the University of Illinois
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Speaker 3: surveyed more than six hundred college students to see how
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Speaker 3: so called dark triad traits, which is basically narcissism, machiavelianism, psychopathy,
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Speaker 3: line up with career interests. They found people with psychopathic
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Speaker 3: traits tend to favor hands on solitary work, likely because
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Speaker 3: those roles involved less social interaction. Narcissists drawn to creative fields,
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Speaker 3: leadership roles, and careers that bring admiration or influence, like
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Speaker 3: the arts, business, or politics. Healthcare students scored high on
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Speaker 3: fearlessness but low on traits like meanness and impulsivity, suggesting
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Speaker 3: calm and resilience matter more than aggression in professions like medicine.
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Speaker 3: Study also warns that the most potentially harmful combo in
27:54
Speaker 3: the workplace is leadership mixed with high narcissism and psychopathic boldness.
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Speaker 4: There it is, There it is.
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Speaker 3: That'll do it for this Tuesday edition of the show.
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Speaker 3: Thanks to our I got no one specific in mind,
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Speaker 3: maybe two specific, A few specific.
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Speaker 4: I don't know. That'll do it for this Tuesday edition
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Speaker 4: of the show.
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