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The Magic Behind 'Live Big': A Conversation to Help Children; Dream Big, Love Big, Think Big · Adventures in the Heart of Children's Book Authors Podcast

• 4:14
  Kat
• 4:14
  Cronenberg,
• 4:15
  the
• 4:16
  author
• 4:16
  of
• 4:16
  the
• 4:17
  Live
• 4:17
  Big
• 4:17
  series
• 4:18
  with
• 4:19
  Live
• 4:19
  Big
• 4:19
  with
• 4:19
  Ketchum,
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  Dream
• 4:20
  Big,
• 4:21
  Love
• 4:21
  Big,
• 4:21
  and
• 4:22
  Think
• 4:23
  Four
• 4:23
  Books.
• 4:24
  Wow.
• 4:25
  Thanks,
• 4:25
  Kat,
• 4:25
  for
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  appearing
• 4:27
  on
• 4:27
  the
• 4:27
  Adventures
• 4:27
  in
• 4:28
  the
• 4:28
  Heart
• 4:28
  of
• 4:28
  Children's
• 4:28
  Book
• 4:29
  Authors
• 4:29
  podcast.
• 4:31
  Kat
• 4:31
  has
• 4:31
  written
• 4:32
  a
• 4:32
  beautiful
• 4:33
  children's
• 4:33
  book
• 4:34
  series,
• 4:34
  Live
• 4:34
  Big,
• 4:35
  and
• 4:35
  I
• 4:35
  look
• 4:35
  forward
• 4:35
  to
• 4:36
  our
• 4:36
  conversation,
• 4:37
  especially
• 4:38
  behind
• 4:38
  the
• 4:38
  whole
• 4:39
  idea
• 4:39
  of
• 4:39
  a
• 4:40
  book
• 4:40
  series,
• 4:40
  because
• 4:41
  I
• 4:41
  think
• 4:41
  anyone
• 4:41
  who's
• 4:41
  listened
• 4:42
  to
• 4:42
  our
• 4:42
  podcast
• 4:43
  show
• 4:43
  knows
• 4:44
  that
• 4:44
  myself
• 4:45
  and
• 4:45
  my
• 4:45
  grandchildren
• 4:46
  are
• 4:46
  developing
• 4:47
  a
• 4:47
  book
• 4:47
  series
• 4:47
  and
• 4:48
  we
• 4:48
  now
• 4:48
  have
• 4:48
  two
• 4:49
  books
• 4:49
  in
• 4:49
  our
• 4:50
  book
• 4:50
  series.
• 4:50
  So
• 4:50
  it's
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  neat
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  to
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  talk
• 4:51
  to
• 4:51
  someone
• 4:52
  who
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  has
• 4:53
  a
• 4:53
  book
• 4:53
  series
• 4:54
  that's
• 4:54
  well
• 4:54
  developed.
• 4:56
  Before
• 4:56
  we
• 4:56
  get
• 4:56
  into
• 4:57
  the
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  details
• 4:58
  of
• 4:59
  your
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  book
• 4:59
  cat
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  and
• 5:00
  your
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  children's
• 5:01
  book
• 5:01
  authorship,
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  can
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  you
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  tell
• 5:02
  us
• 5:03
  what
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  it
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  means
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  to
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  you
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  being
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  a
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  children's
• 5:06
  book
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  author?
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  What
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  does
• 5:07
  it
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  mean
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  to
• 5:08
  you?
• 5:09
  It's
• 5:09
  been
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  a
• 5:09
  magic
• 5:10
  journey.
• 5:11
  It's
• 5:11
  not
• 5:11
  something
• 5:12
  that
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  I
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  grew
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  up
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  thinking,
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  never
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  even
• 5:14
  considered,
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  never
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  even
• 5:16
  met
• 5:16
  an
• 5:16
  author
• 5:17
  till
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  I
• 5:17
  was
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  40.
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  So
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  it
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  found
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  me
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  in
• 5:20
  life
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  as
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  a
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  prayer
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  answered
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  of
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  how
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  can
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  I
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  use
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  my
• 5:24
  life
• 5:24
  to
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  do
• 5:25
  good?
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  And
• 5:26
  it
• 5:26
  literally
• 5:27
  whacked
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  me
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  over
• 5:27
  the
• 5:27
  head
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  at
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  a
• 5:28
  symphony.
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  And
• 5:30
  I
• 5:30
  thought
• 5:30
  it
• 5:30
  was
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  a
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  crazy
• 5:31
  idea
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  to
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  do
• 5:32
  and
• 5:33
  tried
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  to
• 5:34
  ignore
• 5:34
  it
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  and
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  it
• 5:35
  wouldn't
• 5:35
  leave
• 5:35
  me
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  alone.
• 5:36
  So
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  it's
• 5:37
  magic
• 5:38
  from
• 5:38
  this
• 5:38
  standpoint.
• 5:39
  I
• 5:39
  didn't
• 5:39
  quit
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  on
• 5:39
  it.
• 5:40
  It's
• 5:40
  been
• 5:40
  magical
• 5:41
  to
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  see
• 5:41
  the
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  story
• 5:42
  connect
• 5:42
  with
• 5:43
  Kim.
• 5:43
  It's
• 5:44
  a
• 5:44
  magical
• 5:44
  journey.
• 5:45
  And
• 5:46
  so
• 5:46
  tell
• 5:46
  us
• 5:47
  into
• 5:47
  your
• 5:47
  40s.
• 5:48
  All
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  of
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  a
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  sudden
• 5:49
  this
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  magical
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  moment
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  appears.
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  What
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  was
• 5:52
  the
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  inspiration?
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  Like,
• 5:54
  what
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  jumpstart
• 5:55
  this
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  whole
• 5:56
  idea
• 5:56
  about
• 5:56
  writing
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  a
• 5:57
  children's
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  book?
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  Because
• 5:58
  you
• 5:58
  could
• 5:58
  have
• 5:58
  said,
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  oh,
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  I
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  think
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  I'm
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  going
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  to
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  become
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  whatever
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  you
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  want
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  it
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  to
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  become.
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  Why
• 6:05
  the
• 6:05
  children's
• 6:05
  book
• 6:06
  author
• 6:06
  route?
• 6:06
  Yeah,
• 6:07
  it
• 6:07
  literally,
• 6:08
  it
• 6:08
  was
• 6:08
  at
• 6:08
  a
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  symphony.
• 6:10
  I
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  had
• 6:10
  my
• 6:10
  eyes
• 6:10
  closed
• 6:11
  taking
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  in
• 6:12
  the
• 6:12
  music.
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  And
• 6:13
  if
• 6:13
  I
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  tell
• 6:14
  kids,
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  I
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  don't
• 6:14
  know
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  if
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  you
• 6:15
  want
• 6:15
  to
• 6:15
  call
• 6:15
  it
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  God,
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  divine
• 6:16
  inspiration,
• 6:17
  but
• 6:17
  it
• 6:18
  was
• 6:18
  literally
• 6:18
  like
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  I
• 6:19
  got
• 6:19
  hit
• 6:19
  in
• 6:19
  the
• 6:19
  head
• 6:20
  by
• 6:20
  a
• 6:20
  two
• 6:20
  by
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  four.
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  And
• 6:21
  it
• 6:21
  said,
• 6:22
  kat,
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  you
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  were
• 6:22
  meant
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  to
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  write
• 6:23
  books
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  about
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  the
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  power
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  of
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  a
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  smile
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  to
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  help
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  kids
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  live
• 6:26
  their
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  best
• 6:27
  life
• 6:27
  in
• 6:28
  all
• 6:28
  ages.
• 6:29
  Wow.
• 6:29
  Wow.
• 6:30
  I
• 6:30
  wrote
• 6:30
  it
• 6:30
  down
• 6:31
  and
• 6:31
  then
• 6:32
  stuck
• 6:32
  it
• 6:32
  in
• 6:32
  a
• 6:33
  drawer
• 6:33
  and
• 6:33
  tried
• 6:34
  to
• 6:34
  ignore
• 6:34
  it
• 6:35
  and
• 6:36
  it
• 6:36
  wasn't.
• 6:36
  It
• 6:36
  just
• 6:37
  kept
• 6:38
  paining
• 6:39
  me.
• 6:39
  And
• 6:39
  it's
• 6:39
  funny
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  how
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  a
• 6:40
  lot
• 6:41
  of
• 6:41
  the
• 6:41
  guests
• 6:41
  that
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  we've
• 6:42
  had
• 6:42
  on
• 6:42
  that's
• 6:43
  what's
• 6:43
  happened.
• 6:43
  They've
• 6:44
  had
• 6:44
  this
• 6:44
  inspiration.
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  Some
• 6:46
  people
• 6:46
  talk
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  about
• 6:46
  the
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  old
• 6:47
  yellow
• 6:47
  pad
• 6:48
  and
• 6:48
  writing
• 6:48
  the
• 6:49
  story
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  on
• 6:49
  the
• 6:49
  yellow
• 6:49
  pad
• 6:50
  and
• 6:50
  tucking
• 6:51
  it
• 6:51
  away,
• 6:51
  or
• 6:52
  I've
• 6:52
  even
• 6:52
  had
• 6:52
  a
• 6:53
  guest
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  Tell
• 6:53
  me.
• 6:53
  She
• 6:54
  put
• 6:54
  it
• 6:54
  in
• 6:54
  a
• 6:54
  box
• 6:54
  and
• 6:55
  put
• 6:55
  it
• 6:55
  in
• 6:55
  storage,
• 6:56
  and
• 6:57
  then
• 6:57
  three
• 6:57
  or
• 6:57
  four
• 6:58
  years
• 6:58
  later,
• 6:58
  it
• 6:58
  came
• 6:59
  out
• 6:59
  of
• 6:59
  nowhere,
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  and
• 7:01
  all
• 7:01
  of
• 7:01
  a
• 7:01
  sudden,
• 7:03
  yeah,
• 7:03
  there
• 7:03
  it
• 7:03
  is.
• 7:04
  It's
• 7:04
  now
• 7:04
  the
• 7:04
  time
• 7:05
  to
• 7:05
  do
• 7:05
  it.
• 7:05
  I
• 7:06
  noticed.
• 7:07
  And
• 7:07
  maybe
• 7:07
  you
• 7:07
  can
• 7:08
  help
• 7:08
  us
• 7:08
  understand
• 7:08
  this.
• 7:09
  Did
• 7:09
  you
• 7:10
  release
• 7:11
  your
• 7:11
  first
• 7:11
  three
• 7:12
  books
• 7:12
  all
• 7:13
  at
• 7:13
  once?
• 7:14
  No.
• 7:15
  Dream
• 7:16
  Big.
• 7:16
  My
• 7:16
  first
• 7:17
  book
• 7:17
  was
• 7:17
  2017.
• 7:18
  The
• 7:18
  next
• 7:19
  one
• 7:19
  was
• 7:19
  2019.
• 7:20
  Love
• 7:20
  big,
• 7:21
  think
• 7:21
  big
• 7:21
  was
• 7:22
  during
• 7:22
  COVID
• 7:23
  May
• 7:23
  2020.
• 7:24
  And
• 7:24
  then
• 7:25
  my
• 7:25
  newest
• 7:26
  was
• 7:26
  just
• 7:27
  born.
• 7:27
  It's
• 7:27
  not
• 7:28
  even
• 7:28
  a
• 7:28
  month
• 7:28
  old,
• 7:29
  so
• 7:29
  he's
• 7:29
  a
• 7:29
  little
• 7:30
  infant.
• 7:30
  Okay,
• 7:31
  terrific.
• 7:31
  And
• 7:32
  the
• 7:32
  reason
• 7:32
  I
• 7:32
  asked
• 7:33
  is,
• 7:33
  of
• 7:33
  course,
• 7:33
  one
• 7:34
  of
• 7:34
  the
• 7:34
  first
• 7:34
  places
• 7:34
  I
• 7:35
  go
• 7:35
  is
• 7:35
  Amazon.
• 7:37
  And
• 7:37
  when
• 7:37
  I
• 7:37
  went
• 7:37
  to
• 7:37
  Amazon,
• 7:38
  I
• 7:38
  noticed
• 7:39
  all
• 7:39
  three
• 7:39
  of
• 7:39
  your
• 7:40
  first
• 7:40
  books
• 7:40
  had
• 7:41
  exactly
• 7:41
  the
• 7:42
  same
• 7:42
  published
• 7:43
  date.
• 7:45
  Oh,
• 7:45
  it
• 7:45
  was?
• 7:46
  Yeah.
• 7:46
  If
• 7:47
  you
• 7:47
  check,
• 7:47
  it
• 7:47
  says
• 7:47
  December
• 7:48
  2021
• 7:50
  for
• 7:51
  all
• 7:51
  three
• 7:51
  of
• 7:51
  them
• 7:51
  and
• 7:52
  that.
• 7:52
  So
• 7:52
  that's
• 7:52
  why
• 7:53
  I
• 7:53
  was
• 7:53
  wondering.
• 7:54
  Oh,
• 7:54
  okay.
• 7:55
  So
• 7:55
  that's
• 7:56
  why
• 7:56
  I
• 7:56
  was
• 7:56
  interested.
• 7:56
  I
• 7:57
  thought,
• 7:57
  wow,
• 7:57
  that's
• 7:58
  pretty
• 7:58
  ambitious
• 8:00
  to
• 8:01
  launch
• 8:01
  all
• 8:01
  three
• 8:01
  books
• 8:02
  at
• 8:02
  once.
• 8:02
  So
• 8:03
  that's
• 8:03
  great.
• 8:03
  2017
• 8:04
  was
• 8:04
  your
• 8:05
  first
• 8:05
  book.
• 8:05
  2019
• 8:06
  was
• 8:06
  your
• 8:06
  second
• 8:07
  book.
• 8:07
  2021,
• 8:08
  during
• 8:09
  COVID
• 8:09
  was
• 8:09
  your
• 8:10
  third
• 8:10
  book.
• 8:11
  And
• 8:11
  then
• 8:13
  four
• 8:13
  years
• 8:14
  later,
• 8:14
  I
• 8:14
  wasn't.
• 8:15
  Planning
• 8:15
  to
• 8:15
  write
• 8:16
  another
• 8:16
  one.
• 8:17
  And
• 8:18
  like
• 8:18
  the
• 8:19
  symphony,
• 8:19
  it
• 8:19
  kind
• 8:19
  of
• 8:20
  found
• 8:21
  me
• 8:21
  loud
• 8:21
  and
• 8:21
  clear.
• 8:22
  And
• 8:23
  so
• 8:24
  tell
• 8:24
  us
• 8:24
  about
• 8:24
  that
• 8:25
  relationship.
• 8:25
  Obviously,
• 8:26
  you
• 8:27
  wrote
• 8:27
  your
• 8:27
  first
• 8:27
  three,
• 8:28
  and
• 8:28
  then,
• 8:29
  like
• 8:29
  you
• 8:29
  said,
• 8:29
  you
• 8:29
  didn't
• 8:30
  have
• 8:30
  this
• 8:31
  idea
• 8:31
  of
• 8:31
  writing
• 8:31
  a
• 8:32
  fourth
• 8:32
  book,
• 8:32
  and
• 8:32
  then
• 8:33
  all
• 8:33
  of
• 8:33
  a
• 8:33
  sudden,
• 8:33
  it
• 8:33
  must
• 8:34
  have
• 8:34
  percolated
• 8:35
  over
• 8:35
  time
• 8:36
  in
• 8:36
  your
• 8:36
  book,
• 8:37
  Coffee
• 8:37
  Pot.
• 8:37
  And
• 8:38
  all
• 8:38
  of
• 8:38
  a
• 8:38
  sudden,
• 8:39
  whoa.
• 8:40
  It
• 8:40
  felt
• 8:40
  like
• 8:40
  the
• 8:41
  series
• 8:41
  was
• 8:42
  complete.
• 8:43
  So
• 8:43
  they're
• 8:43
  based
• 8:43
  on
• 8:44
  three
• 8:44
  powerful
• 8:45
  secrets.
• 8:45
  We
• 8:46
  watch
• 8:46
  animals
• 8:47
  become
• 8:48
  the
• 8:48
  hero
• 8:48
  of
• 8:48
  this
• 8:49
  story
• 8:49
  by
• 8:49
  lighting
• 8:50
  the
• 8:50
  little
• 8:50
  gift
• 8:50
  of
• 8:51
  stardust
• 8:51
  in
• 8:51
  their
• 8:52
  heart
• 8:52
  by
• 8:52
  smiling
• 8:53
  big
• 8:53
  and
• 8:53
  believing.
• 8:54
  Right.
• 8:54
  So
• 8:55
  is
• 8:55
  the
• 8:55
  first
• 8:56
  Love
• 8:56
  Big
• 8:57
  is
• 8:57
  the
• 8:57
  second,
• 8:58
  and
• 8:58
  think
• 8:58
  biggest
• 8:59
  the
• 8:59
  third.
• 9:00
  And
• 9:00
  that's.
• 9:01
  That's
• 9:02
  it.
• 9:02
  It
• 9:02
  was
• 9:02
  complete.
• 9:03
  But
• 9:03
  this
• 9:04
  little
• 9:04
  guy,
• 9:04
  Ketchum
• 9:05
  is
• 9:05
  his
• 9:05
  name,
• 9:06
  right?
• 9:07
  Math
• 9:07
  matter.
• 9:08
  And
• 9:08
  on
• 9:08
  the
• 9:08
  website,
• 9:09
  all
• 9:09
  of
• 9:10
  a
• 9:10
  sudden,
• 9:10
  he
• 9:10
  was
• 9:10
  like,
• 9:10
  I
• 9:11
  want
• 9:11
  my
• 9:11
  own
• 9:11
  story.
• 9:14
  Okay,
• 9:15
  so
• 9:15
  it's
• 9:16
  the.
• 9:16
  It
• 9:16
  has
• 9:17
  the
• 9:17
  little
• 9:17
  infinity
• 9:18
  symbol
• 9:19
  right
• 9:19
  here,
• 9:20
  right?
• 9:20
  The
• 9:21
  first
• 9:21
  story
• 9:22
  and
• 9:22
  the
• 9:22
  last
• 9:23
  produces
• 9:24
  the
• 9:25
  other
• 9:25
  three
• 9:25
  books,
• 9:26
  but
• 9:26
  completes
• 9:27
  them.
• 9:28
  Just
• 9:28
  so
• 9:28
  folks
• 9:28
  know.
• 9:29
  And
• 9:29
  we
• 9:30
  won't
• 9:30
  give
• 9:30
  it
• 9:30
  away
• 9:30
  quite
• 9:31
  yet,
• 9:31
  Kat,
• 9:31
  but
• 9:32
  I
• 9:32
  know
• 9:32
  there's
• 9:33
  the
• 9:33
  number
• 9:33
  eight
• 9:34
  and
• 9:34
  a
• 9:35
  special
• 9:35
  word
• 9:35
  in
• 9:36
  your
• 9:36
  latest
• 9:36
  book,
• 9:37
  and
• 9:38
  the
• 9:38
  infinity
• 9:38
  symbol
• 9:39
  have
• 9:40
  special
• 9:41
  meaning,
• 9:41
  but
• 9:41
  I've
• 9:42
  saved
• 9:42
  that
• 9:42
  for
• 9:42
  a
• 9:42
  little
• 9:43
  later
• 9:43
  in
• 9:43
  the
• 9:43
  show
• 9:43
  just
• 9:44
  so
• 9:44
  we
• 9:44
  could
• 9:44
  tease
• 9:44
  the
• 9:45
  audience
• 9:45
  to
• 9:45
  stick
• 9:45
  around
• 9:46
  and
• 9:47
  wait
• 9:47
  for
• 9:47
  that.
• 9:47
  Oh,
• 9:48
  I
• 9:48
  like
• 9:48
  that.
• 9:48
  Not
• 9:49
  your
• 9:49
  first
• 9:49
  record
• 9:50
  I'm
• 9:51
  also
• 9:51
  interested
• 9:52
  in
• 9:52
  knowing
• 9:54
  because
• 9:54
  you've
• 9:54
  been
• 9:55
  on
• 9:55
  this
• 9:55
  journey
• 9:55
  since
• 9:56
  2017.
• 9:57
  That's
• 9:58
  fantastic.
• 9:59
  Tell
• 9:59
  us
• 9:59
  about
• 10:00
  your
• 10:00
  children's
• 10:01
  book
• 10:01
  business
• 10:02
  plan
• 10:02
  and
• 10:02
  how
• 10:03
  that
• 10:03
  evolved.
• 10:04
  When
• 10:04
  you
• 10:04
  wrote
• 10:04
  your
• 10:05
  first
• 10:05
  book,
• 10:05
  was
• 10:05
  it
• 10:06
  more
• 10:06
  about
• 10:07
  passion
• 10:08
  and
• 10:08
  getting
• 10:09
  your
• 10:09
  first
• 10:09
  book
• 10:09
  out?
• 10:12
  I
• 10:12
  would
• 10:12
  say
• 10:12
  it
• 10:13
  was
• 10:13
  more
• 10:13
  a
• 10:13
  calling
• 10:14
  than
• 10:15
  it
• 10:15
  was
• 10:15
  career.
• 10:17
  And
• 10:17
  since
• 10:17
  it's
• 10:18
  a
• 10:18
  calling,
• 10:18
  it's
• 10:18
  a
• 10:19
  purposeful
• 10:19
  passion.
• 10:20
  I
• 10:20
  would
• 10:21
  is
• 10:21
  maybe
• 10:21
  what
• 10:21
  I
• 10:22
  would
• 10:22
  say
• 10:22
  to
• 10:22
  answer
• 10:23
  even
• 10:23
  what
• 10:24
  messages
• 10:24
  have
• 10:25
  to
• 10:25
  say.
• 10:25
  And
• 10:26
  I
• 10:26
  think
• 10:26
  it
• 10:27
  and
• 10:27
  seeing
• 10:27
  it
• 10:28
  land
• 10:28
  on
• 10:28
  kids.
• 10:29
  So
• 10:29
  it's
• 10:29
  a
• 10:30
  purposeful
• 10:31
  passion.
• 10:32
  I
• 10:32
  love
• 10:32
  that.
• 10:32
  I
• 10:32
  love
• 10:33
  that.
• 10:33
  After
• 10:33
  you
• 10:34
  looked
• 10:35
  at
• 10:35
  your
• 10:35
  purposeful
• 10:36
  passion
• 10:37
  and
• 10:37
  you
• 10:37
  had
• 10:37
  your
• 10:37
  book
• 10:38
  out
• 10:38
  for
• 10:38
  a
• 10:38
  couple
• 10:38
  of
• 10:38
  years
• 10:39
  and
• 10:39
  you
• 10:39
  knew
• 10:39
  you
• 10:40
  had
• 10:40
  to
• 10:40
  bring
• 10:41
  out
• 10:41
  a
• 10:41
  second
• 10:41
  book,
• 10:42
  did
• 10:43
  you
• 10:43
  constantly
• 10:44
  start
• 10:44
  thinking,
• 10:45
  oh,
• 10:45
  I
• 10:45
  think
• 10:45
  I
• 10:45
  might
• 10:46
  have
• 10:46
  a
• 10:46
  children's
• 10:47
  book
• 10:47
  business
• 10:48
  here
• 10:48
  and
• 10:49
  I've
• 10:49
  got
• 10:49
  a
• 10:50
  book
• 10:50
  series
• 10:50
  in
• 10:51
  me
• 10:51
  that
• 10:51
  needs
• 10:51
  to
• 10:51
  come
• 10:52
  out,
• 10:52
  but
• 10:53
  I
• 10:53
  need
• 10:53
  to
• 10:53
  have
• 10:53
  a
• 10:54
  plan.
• 10:54
  So
• 10:54
  talk
• 10:55
  to
• 10:55
  us
• 10:55
  about
• 10:55
  that.
• 10:57
  I
• 10:57
  did
• 10:57
  not
• 10:57
  have
• 10:58
  a
• 10:58
  business
• 10:58
  plan.
• 10:59
  I
• 10:59
  did
• 10:59
  not
• 11:00
  plan
• 11:00
  to
• 11:00
  be
• 11:00
  an
• 11:00
  author.
• 11:01
  None
• 11:01
  of
• 11:01
  the
• 11:02
  above.
• 11:02
  So
• 11:03
  I
• 11:03
  came
• 11:03
  in
• 11:03
  through
• 11:04
  the
• 11:04
  back
• 11:04
  door
• 11:04
  all
• 11:05
  the
• 11:05
  way
• 11:05
  around
• 11:06
  and
• 11:06
  really
• 11:06
  didn't
• 11:07
  even
• 11:07
  plan
• 11:07
  to
• 11:07
  build
• 11:07
  a
• 11:08
  series.
• 11:08
  It
• 11:09
  is
• 11:09
  slowly
• 11:10
  shown
• 11:10
  itself
• 11:11
  to
• 11:11
  me.
• 11:11
  Okay,
• 11:12
  I've
• 11:13
  made
• 11:13
  it
• 11:13
  up
• 11:13
  as
• 11:14
  I've
• 11:14
  gone.
• 11:14
  My
• 11:15
  plan
• 11:15
  is
• 11:15
  making
• 11:16
  up
• 11:16
  stuff
• 11:16
  as
• 11:17
  I
• 11:17
  go
• 11:17
  and
• 11:18
  really
• 11:19
  finding
• 11:19
  ways
• 11:20
  to
• 11:20
  connect
• 11:20
  with
• 11:20
  kids
• 11:21
  with
• 11:21
  my
• 11:21
  stories.
• 11:22
  Like,
• 11:22
  I
• 11:22
  like
• 11:23
  eye
• 11:23
  to
• 11:23
  eye
• 11:23
  contact.
• 11:24
  That's
• 11:24
  my
• 11:25
  business
• 11:25
  plan
• 11:25
  is
• 11:26
  take
• 11:26
  as
• 11:26
  many
• 11:26
  eyeballs
• 11:27
  as
• 11:27
  I
• 11:28
  can
• 11:28
  to
• 11:28
  share
• 11:28
  my
• 11:29
  story
• 11:29
  with.
• 11:30
  Good
• 11:30
  for
• 11:30
  you.
• 11:31
  So
• 11:31
  in
• 11:32
  terms
• 11:32
  of
• 11:33
  your
• 11:34
  first
• 11:34
  book,
• 11:35
  and
• 11:35
  now
• 11:35
  we're
• 11:36
  into
• 11:36
  your
• 11:36
  fourth
• 11:37
  book.
• 11:37
  Tell
• 11:37
  us
• 11:38
  what's
• 11:38
  so
• 11:38
  much
• 11:39
  different
• 11:40
  from
• 11:40
  your
• 11:40
  first
• 11:40
  book.
• 11:41
  If
• 11:41
  you
• 11:41
  can
• 11:41
  remember
• 11:42
  back
• 11:42
  to
• 11:42
  2017
• 11:44
  and
• 11:44
  getting
• 11:45
  eyeballs.
• 11:45
  And
• 11:46
  now
• 11:46
  here
• 11:47
  you
• 11:47
  are
• 11:47
  with
• 11:47
  your
• 11:47
  fourth
• 11:48
  book.
• 11:49
  What's
• 11:49
  the
• 11:49
  big
• 11:50
  difference
• 11:50
  in
• 11:50
  getting
• 11:50
  eyeballs
• 11:51
  to
• 11:51
  your
• 11:51
  book?
• 11:53
  I
• 11:53
  know
• 11:53
  what
• 11:54
  works,
• 11:54
  does
• 11:54
  what
• 11:55
  doesn't
• 11:55
  work.
• 11:56
  You
• 11:56
  know
• 11:56
  what
• 11:57
  I
• 11:58
  am
• 11:58
  good
• 11:59
  at,
• 11:59
  what
• 11:59
  I'm
• 11:59
  not
• 11:59
  good
• 12:00
  at,
• 12:01
  what
• 12:01
  I've
• 12:01
  learned
• 12:02
  is
• 12:03
  stay
• 12:03
  in
• 12:03
  my
• 12:03
  lane
• 12:04
  with
• 12:04
  my
• 12:04
  gifts
• 12:05
  and
• 12:06
  then
• 12:06
  invite
• 12:06
  other
• 12:06
  people
• 12:07
  to
• 12:07
  help
• 12:07
  me.
• 12:08
  When
• 12:08
  you
• 12:08
  say
• 12:09
  get
• 12:09
  other
• 12:10
  people
• 12:10
  to
• 12:10
  help,
• 12:10
  you
• 12:11
  explain
• 12:11
  that.
• 12:11
  So
• 12:12
  explain
• 12:12
  how
• 12:13
  you
• 12:13
  went
• 12:13
  like
• 12:14
  with
• 12:14
  your
• 12:14
  first
• 12:14
  book
• 12:15
  to
• 12:16
  your
• 12:16
  fourth
• 12:16
  book.
• 12:16
  What's
• 12:17
  the
• 12:17
  difference
• 12:17
  in
• 12:18
  how
• 12:18
  did
• 12:18
  you
• 12:19
  attract
• 12:20
  more
• 12:21
  people
• 12:21
  to
• 12:21
  help
• 12:21
  you
• 12:21
  get
• 12:22
  your
• 12:22
  message
• 12:22
  out?
• 12:24
  I
• 12:24
  finally
• 12:24
  built
• 12:24
  an
• 12:25
  email
• 12:25
  list
• 12:26
  which
• 12:26
  took
• 12:26
  me
• 12:26
  forever
• 12:27
  to
• 12:27
  do,
• 12:28
  which
• 12:28
  has
• 12:28
  been
• 12:28
  helpful.
• 12:29
  I've
• 12:30
  hired
• 12:30
  a
• 12:30
  really
• 12:30
  fun
• 12:31
  teacher
• 12:32
  to
• 12:32
  send
• 12:32
  out
• 12:32
  emails
• 12:33
  for
• 12:33
  me,
• 12:33
  which
• 12:34
  has
• 12:34
  been
• 12:34
  very
• 12:35
  helpful.
• 12:36
  I
• 12:36
  keep
• 12:36
  trying
• 12:36
  to
• 12:36
  give
• 12:37
  up
• 12:37
  my
• 12:37
  social
• 12:37
  media,
• 12:38
  but
• 12:38
  I
• 12:38
  didn't
• 12:38
  do
• 12:39
  it
• 12:39
  for
• 12:40
  since
• 12:40
  COVID
• 12:40
  till
• 12:41
  today.
• 12:41
  So
• 12:42
  I'm
• 12:42
  getting
• 12:42
  back
• 12:42
  into
• 12:43
  that.
• 12:43
  I'm
• 12:43
  going
• 12:43
  to
• 12:44
  use
• 12:44
  this
• 12:45
  girl
• 12:45
  to
• 12:45
  help
• 12:45
  me
• 12:46
  with
• 12:46
  social
• 12:46
  media
• 12:47
  because
• 12:47
  it's
• 12:47
  not
• 12:47
  my
• 12:48
  wheelhouse.
• 12:48
  I'm
• 12:48
  the
• 12:48
  wrong
• 12:49
  generation.
• 12:50
  But
• 12:50
  I
• 12:51
  have
• 12:51
  found
• 12:51
  social
• 12:52
  media
• 12:52
  helps.
• 12:53
  Like
• 12:53
  they.
• 12:53
  I
• 12:54
  started
• 12:54
  social
• 12:54
  media
• 12:55
  with
• 12:55
  my
• 12:55
  first
• 12:56
  book,
• 12:56
  okay?
• 12:57
  Now
• 12:57
  I've
• 12:57
  seen
• 12:58
  it
• 12:58
  work
• 12:59
  and
• 13:00
  instead
• 13:00
  of
• 13:01
  pretending
• 13:01
  I'm
• 13:01
  good
• 13:02
  at
• 13:02
  it,
• 13:02
  I'm
• 13:02
  gonna
• 13:03
  now
• 13:03
  get
• 13:04
  back
• 13:04
  into
• 13:04
  it
• 13:04
  and
• 13:05
  have
• 13:05
  somebody
• 13:06
  help
• 13:06
  me
• 13:07
  use
• 13:08
  that
• 13:08
  resource
• 13:09
  because
• 13:09
  it's
• 13:09
  not
• 13:09
  an
• 13:10
  expensive
• 13:10
  resource
• 13:11
  like
• 13:11
  for
• 13:11
  the
• 13:11
  listeners
• 13:12
  out
• 13:12
  there.
• 13:12
  It
• 13:13
  doesn't
• 13:13
  really
• 13:13
  cost
• 13:14
  me
• 13:14
  money
• 13:14
  unless
• 13:15
  I
• 13:15
  hire
• 13:15
  somebody
• 13:16
  to
• 13:17
  really
• 13:17
  multiply
• 13:18
  eyeballs
• 13:19
  to
• 13:20
  my
• 13:20
  story.
• 13:20
  You
• 13:21
  talked
• 13:21
  about
• 13:21
  your
• 13:22
  mailing
• 13:23
  list
• 13:23
  and
• 13:23
  you
• 13:24
  know
• 13:24
  what?
• 13:24
  That's
• 13:25
  part
• 13:26
  of
• 13:26
  the.
• 13:26
  Hopefully
• 13:27
  the
• 13:27
  attraction
• 13:28
  of
• 13:28
  people
• 13:28
  listening
• 13:28
  to
• 13:29
  this
• 13:29
  show
• 13:29
  is
• 13:30
  learning
• 13:30
  different
• 13:31
  techniques.
• 13:32
  And
• 13:32
  everybody
• 13:33
  talks
• 13:33
  about
• 13:34
  the
• 13:34
  importance
• 13:35
  of
• 13:35
  having
• 13:36
  your
• 13:37
  own
• 13:37
  mailing
• 13:38
  list.
• 13:38
  If
• 13:39
  social
• 13:39
  media
• 13:40
  changed
• 13:41
  the
• 13:41
  way
• 13:41
  they
• 13:41
  do
• 13:41
  things
• 13:42
  and
• 13:42
  you
• 13:43
  lost
• 13:43
  all
• 13:43
  your
• 13:43
  Instagram
• 13:44
  and
• 13:44
  Facebook
• 13:45
  followers,
• 13:46
  you
• 13:47
  still
• 13:47
  have
• 13:47
  your
• 13:47
  email
• 13:48
  list
• 13:48
  and
• 13:48
  people
• 13:48
  say
• 13:49
  you
• 13:49
  should
• 13:49
  make
• 13:50
  sure
• 13:50
  you
• 13:50
  hang
• 13:50
  on
• 13:50
  to
• 13:51
  that
• 13:51
  and
• 13:51
  cherish
• 13:52
  it
• 13:52
  and
• 13:52
  grow
• 13:53
  it.
• 13:53
  So
• 13:53
  tell
• 13:53
  us,
• 13:54
  how
• 13:54
  did
• 13:54
  you
• 13:54
  build
• 13:55
  your
• 13:55
  email
• 13:55
  list
• 13:56
  from
• 13:56
  2017
• 13:58
  to
• 13:58
  now?
• 14:00
  All
• 14:00
  different
• 14:00
  events,
• 14:01
  conferences,
• 14:02
  school
• 14:03
  visits,
• 14:04
  bookstores,
• 14:06
  a
• 14:06
  little
• 14:06
  bit
• 14:06
  of
• 14:07
  everything.
• 14:08
  And
• 14:08
  the
• 14:09
  year
• 14:09
  to
• 14:10
  two
• 14:10
  to
• 14:10
  three
• 14:11
  years
• 14:11
  when
• 14:12
  I'd
• 14:12
  go
• 14:12
  do
• 14:12
  these
• 14:13
  events,
• 14:13
  I
• 14:13
  wouldn't
• 14:14
  set
• 14:14
  out
• 14:14
  a
• 14:14
  list
• 14:15
  for
• 14:15
  people
• 14:16
  that
• 14:16
  were
• 14:16
  interested
• 14:17
  or
• 14:17
  like
• 14:17
  what
• 14:18
  they
• 14:18
  heard.
• 14:19
  Give
• 14:19
  me
• 14:19
  their
• 14:20
  information,
• 14:21
  duh.
• 14:22
  With
• 14:22
  that
• 14:22
  on
• 14:23
  day
• 14:23
  one,
• 14:23
  gather
• 14:24
  information
• 14:25
  from
• 14:25
  your
• 14:26
  audience.
• 14:27
  So
• 14:27
  when
• 14:27
  you
• 14:27
  go
• 14:28
  and
• 14:28
  do
• 14:28
  a
• 14:28
  book
• 14:28
  reading,
• 14:29
  you
• 14:29
  have
• 14:29
  a
• 14:29
  sheet,
• 14:30
  a
• 14:30
  sign
• 14:31
  up
• 14:31
  sheet.
• 14:31
  Sign
• 14:31
  up
• 14:32
  sheet.
• 14:33
  Be
• 14:33
  part
• 14:33
  of
• 14:33
  my
• 14:33
  live
• 14:34
  big
• 14:34
  club
• 14:34
  is
• 14:34
  what
• 14:35
  I
• 14:35
  call
• 14:35
  it.
• 14:36
  Give
• 14:36
  it
• 14:36
  a
• 14:37
  name
• 14:37
  and
• 14:38
  just
• 14:38
  if
• 14:38
  they're
• 14:38
  interested
• 14:39
  then
• 14:40
  they
• 14:40
  can
• 14:40
  know
• 14:40
  what
• 14:40
  you've
• 14:41
  got
• 14:41
  going
• 14:41
  on
• 14:41
  and
• 14:42
  stay.
• 14:44
  You're
• 14:45
  the
• 14:45
  first
• 14:45
  person
• 14:45
  that's
• 14:46
  ever
• 14:46
  said
• 14:46
  that.
• 14:47
  Give
• 14:47
  your
• 14:48
  email
• 14:48
  list
• 14:49
  a
• 14:49
  name.
• 14:50
  Good
• 14:50
  for
• 14:50
  you.
• 14:50
  Yeah,
• 14:50
  give
• 14:50
  it
• 14:51
  a
• 14:51
  name.
• 14:51
  We're
• 14:52
  a
• 14:52
  part
• 14:52
  of
• 14:52
  something.
• 14:53
  We
• 14:53
  all
• 14:53
  want
• 14:53
  to
• 14:53
  belong,
• 14:54
  so
• 14:54
  we're
• 14:54
  a
• 14:54
  part
• 14:55
  of
• 14:55
  something
• 14:55
  together.
• 14:56
  Thanks
• 14:57
  for
• 14:57
  sharing
• 14:57
  that
• 14:57
  nugget.
• 14:58
  That's
• 14:59
  very
• 14:59
  important.
• 15:01
  The
• 15:01
  other
• 15:01
  thing
• 15:02
  I
• 15:02
  noticed
• 15:03
  on
• 15:04
  Amazon
• 15:04
  this
• 15:04
  morning,
• 15:05
  and
• 15:06
  of
• 15:06
  course
• 15:07
  you
• 15:07
  have
• 15:08
  all
• 15:08
  of
• 15:08
  your
• 15:09
  books
• 15:09
  in
• 15:09
  the
• 15:10
  ebook
• 15:10
  format,
• 15:11
  which
• 15:11
  is
• 15:11
  awesome.
• 15:12
  But
• 15:13
  I
• 15:13
  noticed
• 15:13
  the
• 15:13
  launch
• 15:14
  of
• 15:14
  your
• 15:14
  new
• 15:14
  book.
• 15:15
  I
• 15:16
  could
• 15:16
  only
• 15:16
  see
• 15:17
  the
• 15:17
  hardcover.
• 15:19
  I
• 15:19
  didn't
• 15:19
  see
• 15:19
  the
• 15:20
  soft
• 15:20
  cover.
• 15:22
  Yes,
• 15:23
  I
• 15:23
  have
• 15:23
  my
• 15:24
  soft
• 15:24
  cover
• 15:25
  made
• 15:25
  my
• 15:26
  bookshelf
• 15:26
  somehow
• 15:28
  in
• 15:28
  the
• 15:28
  last
• 15:29
  year
• 15:29
  disappeared.
• 15:30
  My
• 15:30
  publisher
• 15:31
  put
• 15:31
  the
• 15:31
  hardback
• 15:32
  I
• 15:32
  have
• 15:32
  put
• 15:33
  on
• 15:33
  paper,
• 15:34
  but
• 15:34
  they
• 15:35
  disappeared
• 15:36
  so
• 15:36
  I
• 15:36
  haven't
• 15:36
  been
• 15:37
  able
• 15:37
  to
• 15:37
  find
• 15:38
  it.
• 15:38
  We've
• 15:38
  talked
• 15:38
  to
• 15:39
  all
• 15:39
  kinds
• 15:39
  of
• 15:39
  people,
• 15:39
  blah,
• 15:40
  blah,
• 15:40
  blah,
• 15:40
  blah.
• 15:41
  And
• 15:41
  haven't
• 15:42
  figured
• 15:42
  out
• 15:42
  the
• 15:42
  Amazon
• 15:44
  beast
• 15:44
  yet
• 15:45
  to
• 15:45
  get.
• 15:46
  Your
• 15:46
  intention
• 15:46
  is
• 15:47
  to
• 15:47
  put
• 15:47
  your
• 15:47
  paper
• 15:48
  back
• 15:48
  also.
• 15:49
  It's
• 15:49
  ready.
• 15:50
  It's
• 15:50
  just
• 15:52
  those
• 15:52
  books
• 15:53
  have
• 15:53
  disappeared.
• 15:53
  But
• 15:54
  floating
• 15:54
  around
• 15:54
  with
• 15:55
  ketchup.
• 15:56
  Yeah,
• 15:56
  I
• 15:56
  mean
• 15:56
  they're
• 15:57
  in
• 15:57
  the
• 15:57
  eaters.
• 15:58
  I
• 15:58
  just.
• 15:58
  Oh,
• 15:59
  technology
• 16:00
  in
• 16:00
  that
• 16:00
  whole
• 16:00
  world.
• 16:01
  Get
• 16:01
  an
• 16:02
  actual
• 16:02
  human
• 16:02
  and
• 16:03
  then
• 16:03
  they
• 16:03
  tell
• 16:03
  you
• 16:03
  it's
• 16:04
  here
• 16:04
  and
• 16:04
  someone
• 16:04
  tells
• 16:05
  you
• 16:05
  it's
• 16:05
  there
• 16:05
  and
• 16:05
  then
• 16:05
  it's
• 16:06
  nowhere.
• 16:06
  Okay.
• 16:07
  There's
• 16:07
  an
• 16:07
  intention
• 16:08
  to
• 16:08
  get
• 16:08
  a
• 16:08
  paperback
• 16:09
  because
• 16:09
  I
• 16:09
  like
• 16:09
  giving
• 16:10
  my
• 16:10
  audience
• 16:11
  options.
• 16:11
  Whatever
• 16:12
  is
• 16:12
  best
• 16:12
  for
• 16:12
  them.
• 16:13
  Absolutely,
• 16:14
  absolutely.
• 16:15
  Me
• 16:15
  and
• 16:16
  Amazon
• 16:16
  aren't
• 16:16
  getting
• 16:17
  along,
• 16:17
  so.
• 16:19
  I'm
• 16:19
  sure
• 16:19
  you'll
• 16:20
  get
• 16:20
  that
• 16:20
  whole
• 16:20
  thing.
• 16:21
  Yeah,
• 16:22
  hopefully.
• 16:23
  When
• 16:23
  I
• 16:24
  talk
• 16:24
  to
• 16:24
  everyone,
• 16:24
  I
• 16:25
  always
• 16:25
  say,
• 16:25
  you
• 16:25
  know
• 16:25
  what?
• 16:27
  Especially
• 16:27
  when
• 16:27
  you've
• 16:28
  written
• 16:28
  your
• 16:28
  first
• 16:29
  book
• 16:29
  and
• 16:30
  trying
• 16:30
  to
• 16:30
  earn
• 16:31
  any
• 16:31
  revenue
• 16:32
  and
• 16:32
  build
• 16:32
  sales
• 16:33
  is
• 16:33
  always
• 16:34
  a
• 16:34
  difficulty
• 16:35
  in
• 16:35
  the
• 16:35
  beginning.
• 16:36
  And
• 16:36
  then
• 16:37
  as
• 16:37
  you
• 16:37
  go
• 16:37
  along,
• 16:38
  you're
• 16:38
  looking
• 16:39
  for
• 16:40
  other
• 16:40
  avenues
• 16:41
  of
• 16:41
  revenue
• 16:42
  to
• 16:42
  actually
• 16:42
  support
• 16:43
  your
• 16:43
  habit
• 16:44
  of
• 16:44
  being
• 16:44
  a
• 16:45
  children's
• 16:45
  book
• 16:46
  author.
• 16:46
  Yeah,
• 16:47
  yeah.
• 16:47
  And
• 16:48
  so
• 16:48
  I
• 16:48
  noticed
• 16:49
  with
• 16:49
  you.
• 16:50
  And
• 16:50
  again,
• 16:50
  if
• 16:50
  you
• 16:50
  can
• 16:51
  take
• 16:51
  us
• 16:51
  on
• 16:51
  that
• 16:51
  journey.
• 16:52
  But
• 16:52
  I
• 16:52
  noticed
• 16:53
  you
• 16:53
  have
• 16:53
  your
• 16:54
  star
• 16:54
  plushie
• 16:55
  Ketchum,
• 16:56
  which
• 16:56
  is
• 16:56
  cool.
• 16:57
  You
• 16:57
  have
• 16:58
  your
• 16:58
  super
• 16:58
  cape,
• 16:59
  which
• 16:59
  I
• 16:59
  love,
• 17:00
  superhero
• 17:01
  cape.
• 17:02
  And
• 17:02
  you've
• 17:02
  got
• 17:03
  the
• 17:03
  smiley
• 17:04
  socks
• 17:06
  on
• 17:06
  your
• 17:06
  website.
• 17:07
  So
• 17:07
  I'm
• 17:08
  interested
• 17:08
  in
• 17:08
  a
• 17:09
  few
• 17:09
  things.
• 17:10
  Can
• 17:10
  you
• 17:10
  explain
• 17:10
  to
• 17:11
  us
• 17:11
  how
• 17:11
  each
• 17:11
  of
• 17:12
  these
• 17:12
  products
• 17:12
  was
• 17:13
  developed
• 17:14
  and
• 17:14
  was
• 17:14
  there
• 17:15
  anyone
• 17:15
  instrumental
• 17:16
  in
• 17:16
  helping
• 17:16
  you
• 17:17
  in
• 17:17
  their
• 17:17
  development?
• 17:19
  I
• 17:19
  had
• 17:20
  no
• 17:20
  help
• 17:20
  on
• 17:20
  any
• 17:21
  of
• 17:21
  them
• 17:21
  except
• 17:22
  for
• 17:22
  the
• 17:22
  graphic
• 17:22
  designer
• 17:23
  on
• 17:23
  my
• 17:23
  cape.
• 17:24
  I
• 17:24
  just
• 17:24
  reached
• 17:25
  out
• 17:25
  to
• 17:25
  about
• 17:26
  four
• 17:26
  or
• 17:26
  five
• 17:27
  different
• 17:27
  companies
• 17:28
  to
• 17:28
  create
• 17:28
  this
• 17:29
  and
• 17:29
  each
• 17:29
  one
• 17:30
  did
• 17:30
  a
• 17:30
  little
• 17:30
  different.
• 17:31
  Like
• 17:31
  I
• 17:31
  have
• 17:31
  one
• 17:32
  over
• 17:32
  here
• 17:33
  that
• 17:33
  came
• 17:33
  in
• 17:34
  really
• 17:34
  small
• 17:35
  that
• 17:35
  I
• 17:35
  don't
• 17:36
  like
• 17:36
  per
• 17:37
  se.
• 17:37
  It
• 17:37
  lights
• 17:38
  up.
• 17:39
  And
• 17:39
  this
• 17:39
  one
• 17:40
  I
• 17:40
  couldn't
• 17:40
  love
• 17:40
  more.
• 17:41
  It
• 17:41
  comes
• 17:41
  with
• 17:41
  batteries,
• 17:42
  so
• 17:42
  it's
• 17:42
  super
• 17:42
  user
• 17:43
  friendly.
• 17:44
  So
• 17:44
  I
• 17:44
  just
• 17:45
  made
• 17:45
  it
• 17:45
  up,
• 17:45
  kept
• 17:46
  trying
• 17:46
  until
• 17:46
  I
• 17:47
  found
• 17:47
  the
• 17:47
  exact
• 17:48
  right
• 17:48
  product.
• 17:49
  The
• 17:49
  plushies
• 17:50
  aren't
• 17:50
  cheap.
• 17:50
  I'm
• 17:50
  sure
• 17:51
  you
• 17:51
  figured
• 17:51
  it
• 17:51
  out
• 17:52
  to
• 17:52
  make
• 17:52
  and
• 17:54
  blah,
• 17:54
  blah,
• 17:54
  blah.
• 17:55
  Ape
• 17:55
  has
• 17:55
  been
• 17:57
  not
• 17:57
  expensive,
• 17:58
  which
• 17:58
  has
• 17:59
  been
• 17:59
  fun
• 17:59
  because
• 17:59
  it
• 18:00
  goes
• 18:00
  along
• 18:00
  with
• 18:01
  the
• 18:01
  theme
• 18:01
  of
• 18:01
  my
• 18:02
  story.
• 18:02
  So
• 18:03
  to
• 18:03
  find
• 18:03
  something
• 18:04
  that
• 18:05
  covers
• 18:05
  the
• 18:05
  gamut
• 18:06
  cost
• 18:06
  wise,
• 18:06
  that
• 18:07
  gives
• 18:07
  the
• 18:07
  audience
• 18:08
  a
• 18:08
  chance
• 18:09
  to
• 18:09
  make
• 18:09
  something
• 18:09
  a
• 18:10
  little
• 18:10
  bit
• 18:10
  more
• 18:10
  dynamic
• 18:11
  than
• 18:11
  just
• 18:12
  the
• 18:12
  book
• 18:13
  for
• 18:13
  the
• 18:13
  reader.
• 18:14
  Been
• 18:14
  nice
• 18:15
  to
• 18:15
  have
• 18:15
  both.
• 18:15
  And
• 18:15
  the
• 18:16
  socks
• 18:16
  are
• 18:16
  even
• 18:17
  the
• 18:17
  most
• 18:17
  expensive
• 18:18
  of
• 18:18
  all
• 18:18
  to
• 18:19
  make.
• 18:19
  Right.
• 18:20
  But
• 18:20
  the
• 18:20
  teacher
• 18:21
  had
• 18:21
  the
• 18:21
  idea.
• 18:22
  I
• 18:22
  always
• 18:23
  come
• 18:23
  in
• 18:23
  with
• 18:24
  a
• 18:24
  little
• 18:24
  yellow
• 18:24
  smile
• 18:25
  T
• 18:25
  shirt
• 18:26
  that
• 18:26
  has
• 18:26
  B,
• 18:27
  the
• 18:27
  letters
• 18:27
  B
• 18:28
  E
• 18:28
  U
• 18:28
  on
• 18:28
  them.
• 18:29
  Be
• 18:29
  you
• 18:29
  and
• 18:29
  smile.
• 18:30
  It's
• 18:30
  a
• 18:30
  termite
• 18:31
  trick
• 18:31
  in
• 18:31
  my
• 18:31
  stories.
• 18:33
  And
• 18:33
  she's
• 18:33
  oh
• 18:34
  you
• 18:34
  need
• 18:34
  to
• 18:34
  make
• 18:34
  those
• 18:35
  into
• 18:35
  socks.
• 18:37
  Good
• 18:38
  for
• 18:38
  you.
• 18:38
  Did
• 18:39
  you
• 18:39
  source
• 18:39
  the
• 18:40
  products
• 18:41
  locally
• 18:42
  or
• 18:42
  did
• 18:42
  you
• 18:43
  go
• 18:43
  offshore?
• 18:44
  What
• 18:44
  did
• 18:45
  you
• 18:45
  do?
• 18:46
  I
• 18:46
  just
• 18:47
  interviewed
• 18:47
  all
• 18:48
  different
• 18:48
  groups
• 18:48
  and
• 18:49
  had
• 18:49
  to
• 18:49
  make
• 18:49
  paid
• 18:50
  to
• 18:50
  make
• 18:50
  five
• 18:50
  different
• 18:51
  samples
• 18:52
  from
• 18:52
  different
• 18:53
  groups.
• 18:53
  And
• 18:54
  this
• 18:54
  is
• 18:54
  the
• 18:55
  one
• 18:55
  I've
• 18:55
  landed
• 18:56
  on.
• 18:56
  And
• 18:56
  I
• 18:57
  had
• 18:57
  a
• 18:57
  before
• 18:59
  that
• 18:59
  I
• 18:59
  liked
• 19:00
  but
• 19:00
  they
• 19:00
  went
• 19:00
  out
• 19:00
  of
• 19:01
  business.
• 19:01
  People
• 19:02
  can
• 19:02
  go
• 19:02
  on
• 19:02
  your
• 19:02
  website
• 19:03
  and
• 19:03
  purchase
• 19:03
  the
• 19:03
  items.
• 19:04
  So
• 19:04
  tell
• 19:05
  us,
• 19:05
  are
• 19:05
  you
• 19:06
  actually
• 19:07
  having
• 19:07
  them
• 19:08
  order
• 19:08
  from
• 19:08
  you
• 19:09
  directly
• 19:09
  and
• 19:09
  you're
• 19:10
  shipping
• 19:10
  them?
• 19:10
  Right.
• 19:11
  Okay.
• 19:11
  It's
• 19:12
  all
• 19:12
  amazing.
• 19:13
  All
• 19:13
  the
• 19:14
  products
• 19:14
  I
• 19:15
  offer
• 19:15
  everything
• 19:16
  from
• 19:17
  me
• 19:17
  out
• 19:18
  of
• 19:18
  my
• 19:18
  garage
• 19:18
  that
• 19:19
  I
• 19:19
  ship.
• 19:20
  My
• 19:20
  publisher
• 19:21
  does
• 19:21
  the
• 19:21
  hardback
• 19:22
  books
• 19:23
  and
• 19:23
  the
• 19:23
  ebooks,
• 19:24
  but
• 19:24
  I
• 19:25
  do
• 19:25
  everything
• 19:25
  else.
• 19:26
  I
• 19:26
  do
• 19:26
  the
• 19:27
  hardback
• 19:27
  books.
• 19:28
  They
• 19:28
  have
• 19:28
  some
• 19:28
  in
• 19:29
  their
• 19:29
  warehouse,
• 19:29
  I
• 19:30
  have
• 19:30
  some
• 19:30
  in
• 19:30
  my
• 19:30
  garage.
• 19:31
  And
• 19:31
  then
• 19:31
  you
• 19:31
  also
• 19:32
  sell
• 19:32
  online,
• 19:33
  which
• 19:33
  I'm
• 19:34
  going
• 19:34
  to
• 19:34
  get
• 19:34
  to
• 19:35
  in
• 19:35
  a
• 19:35
  moment.
• 19:35
  What's
• 19:36
  nice
• 19:36
  that
• 19:36
  you're
• 19:36
  able
• 19:37
  to
• 19:38
  bring
• 19:39
  it
• 19:39
  together
• 19:39
  Now
• 19:40
  I
• 19:40
  noticed
• 19:40
  you
• 19:40
  do
• 19:41
  a
• 19:41
  combo
• 19:42
  like
• 19:42
  you
• 19:42
  can
• 19:42
  buy
• 19:43
  multiple
• 19:43
  stars,
• 19:44
  you
• 19:44
  can
• 19:45
  buy
• 19:45
  multiple
• 19:46
  capes,
• 19:48
  but
• 19:48
  I
• 19:48
  didn't
• 19:49
  notice
• 19:49
  if
• 19:49
  you
• 19:49
  had
• 19:50
  a
• 19:50
  combo
• 19:50
  where
• 19:51
  they
• 19:51
  could
• 19:51
  buy
• 19:51
  a
• 19:51
  star
• 19:53
  and
• 19:54
  the
• 19:54
  books
• 19:54
  together.
• 19:55
  Yeah.
• 19:57
  Just
• 19:57
  because
• 19:57
  e
• 19:57
  commerce
• 19:58
  is
• 19:58
  already
• 19:58
  confusing
• 19:59
  to
• 19:59
  me.
• 20:00
  So.
• 20:00
  Okay.
• 20:01
  But
• 20:01
  simple.
• 20:03
  I
• 20:03
  don't
• 20:03
  know
• 20:03
  if
• 20:04
  I
• 20:04
  will
• 20:04
  really
• 20:05
  just
• 20:05
  a
• 20:05
  little
• 20:06
  more
• 20:06
  brain
• 20:06
  damage
• 20:07
  and
• 20:07
  e
• 20:07
  commerce
• 20:08
  chaos
• 20:10
  capable
• 20:10
  of.
• 20:11
  So.
• 20:11
  So
• 20:12
  let's
• 20:12
  talk
• 20:12
  about
• 20:12
  e
• 20:13
  commerce
• 20:13
  for
• 20:13
  a
• 20:13
  moment
• 20:14
  because
• 20:14
  I'm
• 20:14
  always
• 20:14
  trying
• 20:15
  to
• 20:15
  get
• 20:15
  people
• 20:15
  to
• 20:16
  think
• 20:16
  outside
• 20:17
  the
• 20:17
  book
• 20:17
  cover
• 20:18
  and
• 20:18
  how
• 20:19
  they
• 20:19
  can
• 20:19
  generate
• 20:20
  more
• 20:20
  revenue
• 20:21
  to
• 20:21
  support,
• 20:22
  like
• 20:22
  I
• 20:23
  said,
• 20:23
  their
• 20:23
  book
• 20:23
  habits.
• 20:24
  With
• 20:24
  you
• 20:24
  having
• 20:25
  multiple
• 20:26
  products
• 20:27
  available
• 20:27
  besides
• 20:28
  your
• 20:28
  books
• 20:28
  now,
• 20:29
  has
• 20:29
  that
• 20:30
  worked
• 20:30
  out
• 20:30
  the
• 20:30
  way
• 20:31
  you've
• 20:31
  thought
• 20:31
  it
• 20:31
  would
• 20:31
  in
• 20:32
  terms
• 20:32
  of
• 20:32
  revenue
• 20:33
  and
• 20:33
  helping
• 20:34
  you
• 20:34
  along
• 20:34
  your
• 20:35
  children's
• 20:35
  book
• 20:36
  author
• 20:36
  journey?
• 20:38
  I
• 20:38
  would
• 20:39
  say
• 20:39
  when
• 20:39
  I
• 20:39
  sell
• 20:40
  books
• 20:40
  at
• 20:40
  an
• 20:40
  event,
• 20:41
  this
• 20:42
  is
• 20:42
  what
• 20:43
  draws
• 20:43
  everybody
• 20:44
  in.
• 20:44
  Okay.
• 20:45
  The
• 20:45
  book.
• 20:46
  So
• 20:47
  hands
• 20:48
  on
• 20:48
  personal
• 20:49
  events.
• 20:50
  I
• 20:50
  would
• 20:50
  say
• 20:51
  the
• 20:51
  plushie
• 20:51
  and
• 20:52
  the
• 20:52
  extra
• 20:52
  stuff
• 20:52
  is
• 20:53
  a
• 20:53
  giant
• 20:53
  home
• 20:54
  run.
• 20:55
  Okay.
• 20:55
  Online,
• 20:55
  I
• 20:56
  don't
• 20:56
  think
• 20:56
  it
• 20:56
  makes
• 20:56
  a
• 20:56
  difference.
• 20:57
  I
• 20:58
  don't
• 20:58
  sell
• 20:58
  it
• 20:58
  on
• 20:59
  Amazon.
• 20:59
  This
• 21:00
  stuff
• 21:00
  you
• 21:00
  only
• 21:00
  see
• 21:00
  on
• 21:01
  my
• 21:01
  website.
• 21:02
  Okay.
• 21:02
  And
• 21:03
  I
• 21:03
  don't
• 21:03
  say
• 21:04
  that
• 21:05
  because
• 21:05
  we
• 21:05
  actually
• 21:06
  made
• 21:07
  up
• 21:07
  a
• 21:07
  plushie.
• 21:08
  Yeah,
• 21:09
  I
• 21:09
  saw
• 21:09
  behind
• 21:10
  you
• 21:10
  too.
• 21:10
  Yeah.
• 21:10
  And
• 21:11
  it's
• 21:11
  of
• 21:11
  our
• 21:11
  main
• 21:12
  character,
• 21:12
  Caboose.
• 21:13
  It
• 21:13
  took
• 21:14
  us
• 21:14
  a
• 21:14
  while
• 21:14
  because
• 21:15
  our
• 21:16
  first
• 21:16
  independent
• 21:17
  bookstore,
• 21:18
  who
• 21:18
  took
• 21:18
  our
• 21:19
  book
• 21:19
  in,
• 21:20
  they
• 21:20
  said
• 21:20
  to
• 21:21
  us,
• 21:21
  you
• 21:21
  should
• 21:21
  have
• 21:21
  a
• 21:22
  plushie.
• 21:23
  And
• 21:23
  I
• 21:23
  said,
• 21:23
  a
• 21:24
  plushie?
• 21:25
  And
• 21:25
  they
• 21:25
  said
• 21:25
  yes,
• 21:26
  they
• 21:26
  said
• 21:26
  because
• 21:28
  we
• 21:28
  have.
• 21:29
  And
• 21:29
  they
• 21:29
  showed
• 21:29
  me.
• 21:30
  They
• 21:30
  took
• 21:30
  me
• 21:30
  to
• 21:30
  their
• 21:31
  children's
• 21:31
  section
• 21:32
  and
• 21:32
  a
• 21:32
  lot
• 21:32
  of
• 21:32
  the
• 21:32
  books
• 21:33
  they
• 21:33
  had
• 21:33
  the
• 21:34
  book
• 21:34
  and
• 21:35
  the
• 21:35
  supporting
• 21:35
  plushie
• 21:36
  to
• 21:36
  go
• 21:37
  with
• 21:37
  the
• 21:37
  book
• 21:37
  and
• 21:38
  they
• 21:38
  say
• 21:38
  they
• 21:39
  sell
• 21:39
  tons
• 21:40
  of
• 21:40
  them,
• 21:41
  but
• 21:41
  it
• 21:41
  took
• 21:41
  a
• 21:42
  while
• 21:42
  to
• 21:42
  source
• 21:43
  the
• 21:43
  right
• 21:43
  pricing
• 21:44
  to
• 21:44
  be
• 21:44
  able
• 21:45
  to
• 21:45
  do
• 21:45
  that.
• 21:45
  Now
• 21:46
  we
• 21:46
  just
• 21:46
  recently
• 21:47
  got
• 21:47
  these
• 21:47
  in
• 21:48
  and
• 21:48
  our
• 21:48
  first
• 21:49
  sales
• 21:49
  just
• 21:50
  started
• 21:50
  in
• 21:50
  August.
• 21:52
  I
• 21:52
  said
• 21:52
  thank
• 21:53
  you.
• 21:53
  So
• 21:53
  it'll
• 21:53
  be
• 21:53
  interesting
• 21:54
  to
• 21:54
  see
• 21:54
  how
• 21:54
  it
• 21:54
  goes.
• 21:55
  But
• 21:55
  certainly
• 21:56
  again,
• 21:57
  just
• 21:57
  having
• 21:58
  in
• 21:59
  person.
• 21:59
  I
• 21:59
  think
• 21:59
  the
• 22:00
  Plushies
• 22:00
  really
• 22:01
  are
• 22:01
  a
• 22:01
  giant
• 22:02
  home
• 22:02
  run
• 22:02
  online.
• 22:03
  I'm
• 22:03
  not
• 22:05
  so
• 22:05
  sure.
• 22:05
  Okay,
• 22:06
  good
• 22:06
  to
• 22:07
  know.
• 22:07
  Good
• 22:07
  to
• 22:07
  know.
• 22:08
  Your
• 22:08
  publishing
• 22:09
  approach.
• 22:10
  There's
• 22:10
  generally
• 22:11
  three
• 22:11
  types
• 22:12
  of
• 22:12
  ways
• 22:12
  you
• 22:12
  can
• 22:13
  publish.
• 22:13
  There's
• 22:13
  indie
• 22:14
  publishing,
• 22:14
  there's
• 22:15
  hybrid
• 22:15
  publishing
• 22:16
  and
• 22:16
  there's
• 22:16
  traditional
• 22:17
  publishing.
• 22:18
  People
• 22:18
  get
• 22:19
  confused
• 22:19
  is
• 22:20
  that
• 22:20
  self
• 22:21
  publishing
• 22:21
  and
• 22:22
  indie
• 22:22
  publishing
• 22:23
  are
• 22:23
  really
• 22:24
  a
• 22:24
  separate
• 22:24
  thing.
• 22:25
  Indie
• 22:26
  being
• 22:26
  that
• 22:26
  you're
• 22:26
  the
• 22:27
  independent
• 22:27
  publisher.
• 22:28
  On
• 22:29
  the
• 22:29
  back
• 22:29
  of
• 22:29
  your
• 22:29
  book,
• 22:30
  like
• 22:30
  we've
• 22:30
  done,
• 22:31
  we
• 22:31
  actually
• 22:32
  put
• 22:32
  the
• 22:33
  name
• 22:33
  of
• 22:33
  our
• 22:33
  company
• 22:33
  is
• 22:34
  Caboose
• 22:34
  the
• 22:34
  Rocky
• 22:35
  Mountain
• 22:35
  Bear
• 22:35
  Publishing
• 22:36
  Den.
• 22:37
  So
• 22:37
  we
• 22:38
  actually
• 22:38
  publish
• 22:39
  ourselves.
• 22:40
  We're
• 22:40
  an
• 22:41
  independent
• 22:42
  children's
• 22:42
  book
• 22:43
  publisher.
• 22:44
  And
• 22:44
  then
• 22:44
  there's
• 22:44
  what
• 22:45
  you've
• 22:45
  done.
• 22:45
  I
• 22:46
  believe
• 22:46
  you're
• 22:47
  a
• 22:47
  hybrid
• 22:47
  self
• 22:48
  published
• 22:48
  author
• 22:49
  and
• 22:49
  you
• 22:50
  use
• 22:50
  a
• 22:50
  group.
• 22:50
  I
• 22:51
  haven't
• 22:51
  heard
• 22:51
  of
• 22:51
  them
• 22:52
  before,
• 22:52
  but
• 22:52
  you
• 22:52
  use
• 22:53
  Greenleaf
• 22:54
  Book
• 22:55
  Group
• 22:56
  Press.
• 22:56
  So
• 22:57
  they
• 22:57
  are
• 22:57
  a
• 22:58
  hybrid
• 22:58
  publisher?
• 23:00
  Yes,
• 23:00
  sir.
• 23:01
  Out
• 23:01
  of
• 23:01
  Austin,
• 23:02
  Texas.
• 23:03
  Yes,
• 23:03
  sir.
• 23:04
  And
• 23:04
  so
• 23:04
  explain
• 23:05
  to
• 23:05
  us
• 23:06
  a
• 23:06
  bit
• 23:06
  about
• 23:07
  their
• 23:08
  approach
• 23:08
  and
• 23:08
  how
• 23:09
  you
• 23:09
  found
• 23:09
  them.
• 23:10
  And
• 23:12
  now
• 23:12
  you're
• 23:12
  into
• 23:12
  your
• 23:12
  fourth
• 23:13
  book.
• 23:13
  Is
• 23:14
  your
• 23:14
  fourth
• 23:14
  book
• 23:14
  still
• 23:15
  published
• 23:15
  through
• 23:15
  Greenleaf?
• 23:17
  All
• 23:17
  four
• 23:17
  of
• 23:17
  them?
• 23:18
  Yes,
• 23:18
  all
• 23:18
  four
• 23:18
  of
• 23:18
  them.
• 23:19
  So
• 23:19
  tell
• 23:19
  us
• 23:19
  about
• 23:20
  that
• 23:20
  experience
• 23:20
  because
• 23:21
  it
• 23:21
  must
• 23:21
  be
• 23:21
  a
• 23:21
  good
• 23:22
  experience
• 23:22
  for
• 23:22
  you.
• 23:23
  I
• 23:23
  do.
• 23:23
  All
• 23:23
  four.
• 23:24
  Yeah.
• 23:25
  Yeah.
• 23:26
  I
• 23:26
  met
• 23:26
  them
• 23:26
  probably
• 23:28
  a
• 23:28
  first
• 23:28
  month
• 23:29
  into
• 23:29
  the
• 23:29
  idea
• 23:30
  hitting
• 23:30
  me
• 23:31
  over
• 23:31
  the
• 23:31
  head.
• 23:32
  But
• 23:32
  I
• 23:33
  really
• 23:33
  learned
• 23:34
  I
• 23:34
  knew
• 23:34
  nothing
• 23:34
  about
• 23:35
  the
• 23:35
  industry
• 23:35
  or
• 23:36
  writing.
• 23:37
  So
• 23:37
  then
• 23:37
  I
• 23:37
  went
• 23:38
  out
• 23:38
  and
• 23:38
  got
• 23:38
  versed
• 23:39
  in
• 23:39
  the
• 23:39
  world
• 23:40
  of
• 23:40
  publishing
• 23:40
  and
• 23:41
  versed
• 23:42
  in
• 23:42
  the
• 23:42
  world
• 23:42
  of
• 23:42
  reading
• 23:43
  and
• 23:43
  writing
• 23:44
  and
• 23:45
  went
• 23:45
  down
• 23:45
  all
• 23:45
  kinds
• 23:46
  of
• 23:46
  roads
• 23:46
  and
• 23:46
  got
• 23:47
  an
• 23:47
  offer
• 23:47
  to
• 23:47
  go
• 23:48
  big
• 23:48
  with
• 23:48
  a
• 23:49
  mainstream
• 23:49
  publisher.
• 23:50
  But
• 23:50
  I
• 23:50
  learned
• 23:51
  that
• 23:51
  I
• 23:51
  couldn't
• 23:52
  control
• 23:52
  my
• 23:53
  art
• 23:53
  or
• 23:53
  choose
• 23:54
  my
• 23:54
  artist.
• 23:55
  Right.
• 23:55
  It's
• 23:56
  for
• 23:56
  me,
• 23:57
  my
• 23:57
  stories
• 23:57
  are
• 23:58
  very
• 23:58
  close
• 23:58
  to
• 23:58
  my
• 23:59
  heart.
• 24:00
  Was
• 24:00
  almost
• 24:00
  more
• 24:01
  important
• 24:01
  to
• 24:01
  me
• 24:01
  than
• 24:02
  the
• 24:02
  actual
• 24:02
  words
• 24:03
  is
• 24:03
  that
• 24:03
  the
• 24:03
  art
• 24:04
  and
• 24:04
  the
• 24:05
  story
• 24:05
  were
• 24:05
  in
• 24:06
  tandem
• 24:06
  and
• 24:07
  decided
• 24:08
  upon.
• 24:08
  I
• 24:09
  don't
• 24:09
  have
• 24:09
  the
• 24:09
  gift
• 24:10
  of
• 24:10
  art
• 24:10
  that
• 24:11
  we
• 24:11
  kept
• 24:11
  the
• 24:12
  story
• 24:12
  in
• 24:12
  tandem,
• 24:13
  the
• 24:13
  artist
• 24:13
  and
• 24:14
  I.
• 24:14
  Okay.
• 24:16
  So
• 24:16
  then
• 24:16
  I
• 24:16
  went
• 24:16
  back
• 24:17
  to
• 24:17
  Greenleaf
• 24:18
  who
• 24:18
  is
• 24:18
  a
• 24:19
  hybrid
• 24:19
  and
• 24:20
  for
• 24:20
  your
• 24:21
  people
• 24:21
  online,
• 24:22
  to
• 24:22
  me,
• 24:22
  the
• 24:22
  best
• 24:22
  way
• 24:23
  to
• 24:23
  define
• 24:23
  what
• 24:24
  a
• 24:24
  hybrid
• 24:24
  as
• 24:25
  opposed
• 24:25
  to
• 24:25
  mainstream
• 24:26
  or
• 24:26
  independent
• 24:28
  is
• 24:28
  that
• 24:28
  it
• 24:28
  has
• 24:29
  relationship
• 24:30
  with
• 24:30
  the
• 24:30
  wholesalers
• 24:31
  and
• 24:31
  the
• 24:31
  libraries
• 24:32
  and
• 24:32
  Amazon
• 24:34
  that
• 24:35
  the
• 24:35
  independent
• 24:36
  has
• 24:36
  to.
• 24:36
  I
• 24:36
  still
• 24:37
  have
• 24:37
  to
• 24:37
  run,
• 24:38
  but
• 24:38
  they
• 24:39
  definitely
• 24:39
  can
• 24:40
  carry
• 24:40
  a
• 24:41
  lot
• 24:41
  of
• 24:41
  the
• 24:41
  load
• 24:41
  and
• 24:42
  have
• 24:42
  relationships
• 24:44
  that,
• 24:44
  as
• 24:44
  an
• 24:45
  independent,
• 24:46
  I
• 24:46
  didn't
• 24:46
  have
• 24:46
  to
• 24:47
  develop
• 24:47
  on
• 24:47
  my
• 24:47
  own.
• 24:48
  You've
• 24:48
  enjoyed
• 24:49
  that
• 24:49
  relationship.
• 24:51
  I
• 24:52
  love
• 24:52
  my
• 24:53
  art
• 24:53
  director.
• 24:54
  He
• 24:54
  is
• 24:55
  the
• 24:55
  biggest
• 24:56
  home
• 24:56
  run
• 24:57
  in
• 24:57
  my
• 24:57
  whole
• 24:58
  experience.
• 24:58
  When
• 24:59
  you
• 24:59
  say
• 24:59
  art
• 24:59
  director,
• 25:00
  like,
• 25:00
  I'm
• 25:01
  thinking
• 25:01
  about
• 25:02
  Greenleaf
• 25:03
  doing
• 25:03
  all
• 25:04
  the
• 25:04
  things
• 25:04
  that
• 25:04
  you
• 25:05
  described.
• 25:06
  Yes.
• 25:07
  Is
• 25:07
  it
• 25:07
  the
• 25:07
  whole
• 25:08
  package
• 25:08
  or
• 25:08
  is
• 25:09
  it
• 25:09
  just
• 25:09
  the
• 25:09
  art
• 25:09
  director?
• 25:10
  It's
• 25:10
  a
• 25:10
  tricky
• 25:11
  answer
• 25:12
  to
• 25:12
  that
• 25:13
  question.
• 25:13
  I
• 25:14
  would
• 25:14
  say,
• 25:14
  like
• 25:15
  any
• 25:15
  relationships,
• 25:16
  it's
• 25:16
  had
• 25:16
  its
• 25:17
  ups
• 25:17
  and
• 25:17
  downs
• 25:18
  and
• 25:18
  good
• 25:19
  people
• 25:19
  and
• 25:19
  not
• 25:20
  so
• 25:20
  good
• 25:20
  people.
• 25:21
  But
• 25:21
  the
• 25:21
  guy
• 25:22
  who
• 25:22
  chooses
• 25:23
  my
• 25:23
  artist
• 25:24
  and
• 25:24
  helps
• 25:25
  format
• 25:26
  and
• 25:26
  put
• 25:27
  the
• 25:27
  whole
• 25:27
  visual
• 25:28
  together
• 25:30
  has
• 25:30
  been
• 25:30
  King
• 25:30
  Kong
• 25:31
  for
• 25:31
  me.
• 25:31
  He's
• 25:32
  done
• 25:32
  an
• 25:33
  unbelievable
• 25:33
  job.
• 25:34
  Has
• 25:34
  he
• 25:35
  been
• 25:35
  the
• 25:35
  same
• 25:35
  person
• 25:36
  from
• 25:36
  2017
• 25:37
  till
• 25:38
  now?
• 25:38
  Okay.
• 25:39
  Yes.
• 25:39
  And
• 25:39
  I've
• 25:40
  had
• 25:40
  to
• 25:40
  have
• 25:40
  three
• 25:40
  different
• 25:41
  artists.
• 25:42
  Yes,
• 25:42
  I
• 25:42
  noticed.
• 25:43
  That's
• 25:43
  what
• 25:43
  I
• 25:43
  was
• 25:43
  going
• 25:43
  to
• 25:44
  ask
• 25:44
  you
• 25:44
  is
• 25:44
  that
• 25:44
  I
• 25:45
  noticed
• 25:45
  you
• 25:45
  have.
• 25:45
  That
• 25:46
  was
• 25:46
  not
• 25:46
  intentional.
• 25:47
  No.
• 25:48
  First
• 25:48
  artist,
• 25:49
  she
• 25:50
  had
• 25:50
  a
• 25:50
  high
• 25:50
  needs
• 25:51
  child
• 25:51
  and
• 25:52
  so
• 25:52
  wasn't
• 25:53
  available
• 25:53
  to
• 25:53
  do
• 25:54
  my
• 25:54
  second
• 25:54
  book
• 25:56
  and
• 25:56
  third
• 25:56
  book.
• 25:56
  You
• 25:57
  had
• 25:57
  the
• 25:57
  same
• 25:57
  illustrator.
• 25:59
  Yes,
• 25:59
  my
• 25:59
  second
• 26:00
  and
• 26:00
  third
• 26:00
  book.
• 26:01
  And
• 26:01
  then
• 26:01
  on
• 26:01
  my
• 26:02
  fourth
• 26:02
  book,
• 26:02
  my
• 26:03
  second,
• 26:03
  the
• 26:03
  artist
• 26:04
  that
• 26:04
  did
• 26:04
  love
• 26:04
  Big
• 26:05
  and
• 26:05
  think
• 26:05
  big
• 26:05
  was
• 26:06
  going
• 26:06
  to
• 26:06
  do
• 26:06
  this
• 26:06
  with
• 26:06
  me.
• 26:07
  And
• 26:07
  then
• 26:07
  he
• 26:07
  had
• 26:08
  a
• 26:08
  family
• 26:08
  situation
• 26:09
  come
• 26:09
  up.
• 26:10
  Right.
• 26:11
  And
• 26:11
  said
• 26:11
  he
• 26:12
  couldn't.
• 26:12
  So
• 26:12
  then
• 26:13
  we
• 26:13
  had
• 26:13
  to
• 26:13
  start
• 26:13
  from
• 26:14
  square
• 26:14
  one
• 26:14
  again.
• 26:15
  And
• 26:15
  I
• 26:15
  couldn't
• 26:16
  love
• 26:16
  the
• 26:17
  art
• 26:17
  on
• 26:17
  this
• 26:17
  more.
• 26:18
  So
• 26:18
  it's
• 26:19
  fun.
• 26:19
  And
• 26:19
  I
• 26:20
  would
• 26:20
  say.
• 26:20
  But
• 26:21
  I.
• 26:21
  There's
• 26:21
  continuity,
• 26:23
  like
• 26:23
  when
• 26:23
  I
• 26:23
  look
• 26:23
  at.
• 26:23
  And
• 26:24
  it's
• 26:24
  all
• 26:24
  the
• 26:24
  art
• 26:25
  director,
• 26:26
  100%
• 26:27
  finding
• 26:28
  found
• 26:28
  each
• 26:28
  artist.
• 26:30
  Like
• 26:30
  he
• 26:30
  took
• 26:30
  the
• 26:31
  color,
• 26:31
  the
• 26:32
  flowers
• 26:33
  from
• 26:33
  the
• 26:33
  COVID
• 26:33
  on
• 26:34
  my
• 26:34
  first
• 26:34
  book,
• 26:35
  was
• 26:35
  smart
• 26:35
  enough,
• 26:36
  since
• 26:36
  it's
• 26:36
  a
• 26:36
  series
• 26:37
  to
• 26:37
  put
• 26:37
  him
• 26:37
  on
• 26:37
  the
• 26:38
  second
• 26:38
  and
• 26:38
  the
• 26:38
  third
• 26:39
  book.
• 26:39
  Like,
• 26:39
  he
• 26:40
  just.
• 26:41
  He
• 26:42
  has
• 26:42
  done
• 26:42
  this
• 26:42
  a
• 26:43
  really
• 26:43
  long
• 26:43
  time.
• 26:45
  Wisdom
• 26:45
  and
• 26:46
  a
• 26:46
  brilliance
• 26:47
  to
• 26:47
  bringing
• 26:48
  it
• 26:48
  together
• 26:49
  for
• 26:49
  me
• 26:49
  in
• 26:50
  a
• 26:50
  way
• 26:50
  that
• 26:50
  stayed
• 26:51
  true
• 26:51
  to
• 26:51
  my
• 26:51
  vision,
• 26:52
  which
• 26:53
  was.
• 26:53
  And
• 26:53
  you
• 26:53
  know
• 26:54
  what?
• 26:54
  It's
• 26:54
  interesting
• 26:55
  you
• 26:55
  should
• 26:55
  say
• 26:55
  that
• 26:55
  because
• 26:56
  I've
• 26:56
  interviewed
• 26:57
  a
• 26:57
  lot
• 26:58
  of
• 26:58
  children's
• 26:59
  book
• 26:59
  authors,
• 26:59
  especially
• 27:00
  hybrid
• 27:01
  self
• 27:01
  published
• 27:02
  children's
• 27:02
  book
• 27:03
  authors.
• 27:04
  But
• 27:04
  you're
• 27:04
  the
• 27:04
  first
• 27:05
  one
• 27:05
  that's
• 27:05
  ever
• 27:05
  said
• 27:06
  to
• 27:06
  me
• 27:06
  it
• 27:06
  was
• 27:07
  the
• 27:07
  art
• 27:07
  director
• 27:09
  that
• 27:10
  really
• 27:10
  has
• 27:11
  kept
• 27:11
  you
• 27:12
  as
• 27:12
  a
• 27:12
  client
• 27:14
  for
• 27:14
  all
• 27:14
  these
• 27:15
  years.
• 27:15
  Because
• 27:15
  that's
• 27:16
  a
• 27:16
  pretty
• 27:16
  long
• 27:16
  journey.
• 27:17
  2017
• 27:18
  till
• 27:18
  now.
• 27:19
  That's
• 27:19
  eight
• 27:19
  years.
• 27:20
  And
• 27:20
  I'm
• 27:20
  thinking,
• 27:20
  wow,
• 27:21
  that's
• 27:21
  fantastic.
• 27:22
  Again,
• 27:24
  when
• 27:24
  we
• 27:25
  talk
• 27:25
  to
• 27:25
  people,
• 27:25
  it's
• 27:26
  important
• 27:26
  because
• 27:28
  every
• 27:28
  hybrid
• 27:29
  publisher
• 27:30
  does
• 27:31
  things
• 27:31
  differently.
• 27:32
  And
• 27:32
  so
• 27:33
  to
• 27:33
  know
• 27:33
  that
• 27:34
  someone
• 27:35
  has
• 27:36
  you,
• 27:36
  that's
• 27:37
  been
• 27:37
  with
• 27:37
  you
• 27:38
  tried
• 27:38
  and
• 27:38
  true,
• 27:39
  it's
• 27:40
  a
• 27:40
  pretty
• 27:40
  amazing
• 27:41
  thing
• 27:41
  to
• 27:41
  have
• 27:41
  happen.
• 27:42
  And
• 27:43
  the
• 27:43
  Art
• 27:43
  was
• 27:43
  that
• 27:44
  important
• 27:44
  to
• 27:45
  me
• 27:45
  and
• 27:45
  have
• 27:45
  been
• 27:46
  that
• 27:47
  blessed
• 27:47
  in
• 27:47
  this
• 27:48
  arena
• 27:49
  where
• 27:49
  I
• 27:49
  feel
• 27:50
  so
• 27:50
  good
• 27:50
  about
• 27:51
  the
• 27:51
  story
• 27:52
  visually
• 27:53
  is
• 27:53
  thrilling
• 27:54
  to
• 27:54
  me.
• 27:55
  He's
• 27:55
  been
• 27:56
  a
• 27:56
  giant
• 27:56
  gift
• 27:57
  in
• 27:57
  my
• 27:57
  life.
• 27:57
  This
• 27:58
  is
• 27:58
  a
• 27:58
  good
• 27:58
  time
• 27:58
  to
• 27:58
  bring
• 27:59
  it
• 27:59
  up
• 27:59
  is
• 28:00
  that
• 28:01
  we
• 28:01
  teased
• 28:02
  our
• 28:03
  audience
• 28:03
  at
• 28:03
  the
• 28:03
  beginning
• 28:04
  of
• 28:04
  the
• 28:04
  show
• 28:04
  and
• 28:05
  said
• 28:05
  there
• 28:05
  was
• 28:05
  one
• 28:06
  word
• 28:07
  that
• 28:07
  you
• 28:08
  incorporated
• 28:08
  into
• 28:09
  your
• 28:10
  current
• 28:10
  book.
• 28:11
  At
• 28:12
  first
• 28:12
  I
• 28:12
  thought
• 28:12
  maybe
• 28:13
  this
• 28:13
  was
• 28:13
  something
• 28:14
  to
• 28:14
  do
• 28:14
  with
• 28:15
  the
• 28:15
  illustrators,
• 28:17
  but
• 28:17
  it
• 28:17
  sounds
• 28:17
  to
• 28:18
  me
• 28:18
  this
• 28:18
  was
• 28:18
  dialogue
• 28:19
  you
• 28:19
  had
• 28:19
  with
• 28:20
  the
• 28:20
  art
• 28:20
  director.
• 28:21
  So
• 28:21
  tell
• 28:22
  us
• 28:22
  about
• 28:22
  the
• 28:23
  teaser.
• 28:23
  So
• 28:24
  we
• 28:24
  talked
• 28:24
  about
• 28:25
  the
• 28:25
  number
• 28:25
  eight.
• 28:26
  We
• 28:26
  talked
• 28:26
  about
• 28:26
  affinity,
• 28:27
  and
• 28:28
  we
• 28:28
  talked
• 28:28
  about
• 28:28
  a
• 28:29
  special
• 28:29
  word.
• 28:29
  Can
• 28:30
  you
• 28:30
  share
• 28:30
  that
• 28:31
  special
• 28:31
  word
• 28:32
  and
• 28:32
  the
• 28:32
  whole
• 28:33
  idea
• 28:33
  and
• 28:34
  how
• 28:34
  you
• 28:34
  incorporated
• 28:35
  into
• 28:35
  your
• 28:35
  latest
• 28:36
  book?
• 28:37
  It's
• 28:37
  a
• 28:38
  little
• 28:38
  bit
• 28:38
  of
• 28:38
  a
• 28:38
  long
• 28:39
  answer,
• 28:39
  but
• 28:40
  my
• 28:40
  first
• 28:40
  three
• 28:40
  books
• 28:41
  have
• 28:41
  1,
• 28:42
  2,
• 28:42
  3,
• 28:42
  like
• 28:43
  the
• 28:43
  three
• 28:43
  secrets.
• 28:44
  Then
• 28:44
  I
• 28:44
  write
• 28:45
  a
• 28:45
  fourth.
• 28:45
  What
• 28:46
  do
• 28:46
  I
• 28:46
  do?
• 28:46
  It's
• 28:46
  not
• 28:47
  really
• 28:47
  a
• 28:47
  fourth
• 28:48
  secret.
• 28:48
  It's
• 28:48
  a
• 28:49
  whole
• 28:50
  buildup
• 28:51
  of
• 28:51
  what's
• 28:52
  going
• 28:52
  on
• 28:52
  and
• 28:52
  all
• 28:52
  the
• 28:53
  other
• 28:53
  stories.
• 28:54
  To
• 28:54
  me,
• 28:55
  love
• 28:56
  always
• 28:57
  wins
• 28:57
  over
• 28:58
  fear.
• 28:59
  Life
• 28:59
  is
• 28:59
  binary.
• 29:00
  It's
• 29:01
  very
• 29:02
  binary.
• 29:02
  So
• 29:03
  the
• 29:03
  word
• 29:04
  is
• 29:04
  the
• 29:05
  word.
• 29:05
  W,
• 29:06
  O
• 29:06
  N
• 29:07
  won.
• 29:09
  We've
• 29:09
  won
• 29:10
  no
• 29:10
  matter
• 29:11
  what.
• 29:11
  If
• 29:12
  we
• 29:12
  can
• 29:12
  hold
• 29:12
  that
• 29:13
  truth
• 29:13
  in
• 29:13
  our
• 29:14
  heart,
• 29:14
  we've
• 29:14
  won
• 29:15
  before
• 29:15
  we've
• 29:16
  even
• 29:16
  started.
• 29:16
  Like,
• 29:17
  my
• 29:17
  books
• 29:17
  are
• 29:17
  a
• 29:18
  giant
• 29:18
  success
• 29:18
  no
• 29:19
  matter
• 29:19
  what
• 29:19
  happens,
• 29:20
  because
• 29:20
  I've
• 29:20
  already
• 29:20
  won
• 29:21
  my
• 29:21
  artist
• 29:22
  full
• 29:23
  this
• 29:23
  little
• 29:23
  guy
• 29:24
  in
• 29:24
  my
• 29:24
  heart.
• 29:24
  When
• 29:25
  I
• 29:25
  looked,
• 29:25
  I
• 29:26
  thought,
• 29:26
  okay,
• 29:26
  the
• 29:27
  last
• 29:27
  book
• 29:28
  is
• 29:28
  a
• 29:29
  double
• 29:29
  zero.
• 29:31
  And
• 29:31
  so
• 29:32
  people
• 29:32
  are
• 29:32
  probably
• 29:32
  thinking,
• 29:32
  what
• 29:33
  is
• 29:33
  he
• 29:33
  talking
• 29:33
  about,
• 29:33
  double
• 29:34
  zero?
• 29:34
  I
• 29:34
  noticed
• 29:35
  you
• 29:35
  stacked
• 29:36
  a
• 29:36
  zero
• 29:36
  on
• 29:36
  top
• 29:36
  of
• 29:37
  a
• 29:37
  zero.
• 29:38
  That
• 29:38
  was
• 29:38
  to
• 29:38
  create
• 29:39
  the
• 29:39
  infinity.
• 29:40
  Is
• 29:40
  that
• 29:40
  correct?
• 29:41
  Absolutely.
• 29:42
  Deduction.
• 29:44
  My
• 29:44
  panels
• 29:45
  on
• 29:45
  the
• 29:45
  books
• 29:45
  didn't
• 29:46
  match.
• 29:46
  It's
• 29:47
  on
• 29:47
  the
• 29:48
  next
• 29:48
  printing.
• 29:48
  I'm
• 29:48
  going
• 29:48
  to
• 29:49
  have
• 29:49
  to
• 29:49
  do
• 29:49
  it
• 29:49
  a
• 29:49
  little
• 29:50
  different
• 29:50
  because
• 29:50
  this
• 29:50
  is
• 29:51
  a
• 29:51
  little.
• 29:51
  It's
• 29:52
  in
• 29:52
  bold
• 29:52
  and
• 29:52
  the
• 29:53
  other
• 29:53
  ones
• 29:53
  aren't
• 29:53
  bold.
• 29:54
  So
• 29:54
  it
• 29:54
  marries
• 29:55
  a
• 29:55
  little
• 29:55
  better.
• 29:56
  Take
• 29:56
  us
• 29:56
  through
• 29:58
  the
• 29:58
  word
• 29:58
  one
• 29:59
  and
• 29:59
  the
• 29:59
  significance
• 30:00
  of
• 30:01
  eight.
• 30:02
  One.
• 30:04
  So,
• 30:04
  like
• 30:05
  in
• 30:05
  my
• 30:05
  books,
• 30:07
  I
• 30:07
  raised
• 30:07
  two
• 30:08
  boys
• 30:08
  and
• 30:08
  we
• 30:08
  read
• 30:09
  a
• 30:09
  ton
• 30:09
  to
• 30:09
  try
• 30:10
  to
• 30:10
  find
• 30:10
  my
• 30:10
  stories.
• 30:12
  And
• 30:12
  there
• 30:12
  was
• 30:12
  a
• 30:13
  book
• 30:13
  written
• 30:13
  by
• 30:13
  the
• 30:14
  same
• 30:14
  author,
• 30:14
  Shell,
• 30:15
  that
• 30:15
  wrote
• 30:16
  Shrek.
• 30:17
  Okay.
• 30:18
  And
• 30:18
  he
• 30:18
  had
• 30:18
  this
• 30:19
  artwork,
• 30:19
  and
• 30:19
  it
• 30:19
  would
• 30:20
  say
• 30:20
  the
• 30:20
  letter
• 30:20
  C
• 30:21
  and
• 30:21
  then
• 30:21
  the
• 30:21
  letter
• 30:22
  D
• 30:22
  and
• 30:22
  the
• 30:22
  letter
• 30:23
  B.
• 30:23
  C,
• 30:24
  the
• 30:24
  B
• 30:25
  and
• 30:25
  had
• 30:26
  a
• 30:26
  bee
• 30:26
  flying
• 30:26
  through
• 30:27
  the
• 30:27
  air.
• 30:27
  So
• 30:27
  my
• 30:28
  boys
• 30:29
  loved
• 30:29
  that.
• 30:30
  So.
• 30:30
  So
• 30:30
  we
• 30:30
  incorporated
• 30:31
  little
• 30:31
  termite
• 30:32
  tricks
• 30:32
  in
• 30:32
  my
• 30:33
  stories.
• 30:33
  Like
• 30:34
  on
• 30:34
  their
• 30:34
  back,
• 30:34
  they
• 30:34
  had
• 30:35
  the
• 30:35
  letters
• 30:36
  U,
• 30:37
  K,
• 30:38
  N.
• 30:38
  Say
• 30:39
  that
• 30:39
  a
• 30:39
  couple
• 30:39
  times
• 30:40
  fast.
• 30:40
  U,
• 30:41
  K,
• 30:41
  N.
• 30:43
  You
• 30:44
  can
• 30:44
  live
• 30:44
  your
• 30:45
  dream.
• 30:46
  So
• 30:46
  those
• 30:46
  are
• 30:47
  kidney
• 30:47
  through
• 30:47
  all
• 30:48
  three
• 30:48
  books.
• 30:49
  But
• 30:50
  I
• 30:50
  didn't
• 30:50
  do
• 30:51
  that
• 30:51
  in
• 30:51
  the
• 30:52
  most
• 30:52
  recent
• 30:53
  book,
• 30:53
  what
• 30:53
  I
• 30:53
  did
• 30:54
  was
• 30:54
  take
• 30:55
  the
• 30:55
  letter
• 30:56
  wonder
• 30:56
  because
• 30:57
  I
• 30:57
  think
• 30:57
  we're
• 30:57
  all
• 30:57
  full
• 30:58
  of
• 30:58
  wonder.
• 30:58
  That's
• 30:58
  what
• 30:59
  Ketchum
• 30:59
  is.
• 30:59
  These
• 31:00
  love's
• 31:00
  wondrous
• 31:00
  spark
• 31:01
  in
• 31:01
  our
• 31:01
  heart.
• 31:02
  And
• 31:03
  bolded
• 31:03
  the
• 31:03
  letter
• 31:04
  W.W.
• 31:04
  o
• 31:04
  N
• 31:05
  eight
• 31:06
  times
• 31:06
  through
• 31:07
  the
• 31:07
  story.
• 31:07
  So
• 31:08
  there's
• 31:08
  back
• 31:08
  matter
• 31:09
  that
• 31:09
  invites
• 31:10
  the
• 31:10
  reader
• 31:10
  to
• 31:10
  go
• 31:11
  back
• 31:11
  through
• 31:12
  and
• 31:12
  see
• 31:12
  if
• 31:12
  they
• 31:13
  can
• 31:13
  figure
• 31:13
  out
• 31:13
  how
• 31:14
  many
• 31:14
  ones
• 31:15
  there
• 31:15
  are.
• 31:16
  And
• 31:16
  it
• 31:16
  all
• 31:17
  ties
• 31:17
  it
• 31:17
  all
• 31:18
  together.
• 31:18
  The
• 31:18
  letter
• 31:19
  A,
• 31:19
  the
• 31:20
  fun
• 31:20
  of
• 31:20
  going
• 31:20
  through
• 31:20
  a
• 31:21
  story
• 31:21
  again,
• 31:21
  like
• 31:21
  the
• 31:22
  termite
• 31:22
  tricks.
• 31:24
  And
• 31:25
  so
• 31:25
  it
• 31:25
  just
• 31:25
  creates
• 31:26
  a
• 31:26
  tandem
• 31:27
  line
• 31:27
  in
• 31:27
  my
• 31:27
  brain
• 31:28
  to
• 31:28
  all
• 31:28
  the
• 31:29
  different
• 31:29
  layers.
• 31:30
  It's
• 31:30
  nice
• 31:30
  to
• 31:30
  have
• 31:31
  those
• 31:31
  little
• 31:31
  nuances
• 31:32
  to
• 31:33
  add
• 31:33
  to
• 31:33
  the
• 31:33
  book
• 31:33
  and
• 31:34
  get
• 31:34
  people
• 31:35
  thinking
• 31:36
  and
• 31:36
  to
• 31:36
  go
• 31:36
  a
• 31:36
  little
• 31:37
  deeper.
• 31:38
  And
• 31:38
  that
• 31:38
  was
• 31:38
  your
• 31:38
  whole
• 31:39
  intention?
• 31:40
  Yes.
• 31:40
  To
• 31:40
  internalize
• 31:41
  more
• 31:42
  and
• 31:42
  more
• 31:42
  that
• 31:42
  love
• 31:43
  wins.
• 31:43
  Light
• 31:44
  always
• 31:44
  wins
• 31:45
  over
• 31:45
  darkness.
• 31:45
  And
• 31:46
  I
• 31:46
  love
• 31:46
  how
• 31:46
  you
• 31:47
  thought
• 31:47
  it
• 31:48
  through
• 31:48
  because
• 31:48
  like
• 31:48
  you
• 31:49
  said
• 31:49
  in
• 31:49
  the
• 31:49
  beginning
• 31:50
  of
• 31:50
  the
• 31:50
  interview,
• 31:51
  you
• 31:51
  didn't
• 31:51
  have
• 31:52
  a
• 31:52
  fourth
• 31:53
  book
• 31:53
  in
• 31:53
  mind.
• 31:54
  And
• 31:54
  then
• 31:54
  to
• 31:54
  actually
• 31:56
  develop
• 31:57
  the
• 31:57
  whole
• 31:57
  concept
• 31:58
  and
• 31:58
  the
• 31:58
  double
• 31:58
  zeros
• 31:59
  and
• 31:59
  the
• 31:59
  infinity
• 32:00
  and
• 32:00
  the
• 32:00
  eight
• 32:01
  ones.
• 32:01
  Hats
• 32:02
  off.
• 32:02
  That's
• 32:03
  great,
• 32:03
  Joel.
• 32:03
  Yeah.
• 32:04
  Yeah.
• 32:04
  It
• 32:05
  woke
• 32:05
  me
• 32:05
  up
• 32:05
  at
• 32:05
  4
• 32:06
  in
• 32:06
  the
• 32:06
  morning
• 32:06
  quite
• 32:06
  a
• 32:07
  lot
• 32:07
  to
• 32:07
  figure
• 32:07
  it
• 32:08
  out.
• 32:08
  Yes.
• 32:09
  How
• 32:09
  did
• 32:09
  you
• 32:09
  decide
• 32:12
  what
• 32:12
  pages
• 32:13
  the
• 32:13
  one
• 32:13
  should
• 32:14
  go
• 32:14
  on?
• 32:15
  The
• 32:15
  word
• 32:15
  one?
• 32:16
  Yeah.
• 32:17
  Every
• 32:17
  time
• 32:17
  the
• 32:18
  word
• 32:18
  wonder
• 32:19
  wondrous,
• 32:20
  wonderful
• 32:21
  was
• 32:22
  in
• 32:22
  there,
• 32:22
  and
• 32:22
  it
• 32:22
  just
• 32:23
  did
• 32:23
  it
• 32:23
  in
• 32:23
  the
• 32:24
  rhythm
• 32:24
  of
• 32:24
  the
• 32:24
  story.
• 32:25
  The
• 32:25
  story
• 32:26
  finally
• 32:26
  presented
• 32:27
  itself
• 32:27
  where
• 32:27
  it
• 32:27
  was
• 32:28
  all
• 32:28
  in
• 32:28
  tandem.
• 32:29
  So
• 32:29
  it
• 32:29
  was
• 32:29
  pretty
• 32:30
  easy
• 32:30
  by
• 32:30
  the
• 32:31
  end.
• 32:31
  Not
• 32:31
  in
• 32:31
  the
• 32:31
  beginning,
• 32:32
  but
• 32:32
  by
• 32:32
  the
• 32:32
  end
• 32:33
  it
• 32:33
  came
• 32:34
  together
• 32:34
  pretty
• 32:34
  terrific.
• 32:36
  It's
• 32:37
  great
• 32:37
  to
• 32:37
  talk
• 32:38
  to
• 32:38
  you
• 32:38
  about
• 32:38
  being
• 32:39
  able
• 32:39
  to
• 32:39
  take
• 32:39
  you
• 32:39
  back
• 32:40
  to
• 32:40
  2017,
• 32:42
  to
• 32:42
  move
• 32:42
  forward
• 32:43
  to
• 32:43
  now.
• 32:44
  And
• 32:45
  I
• 32:45
  looked
• 32:45
  at
• 32:45
  your
• 32:46
  website,
• 32:47
  a
• 32:47
  lot
• 32:47
  of
• 32:48
  content,
• 32:49
  which
• 32:49
  is
• 32:49
  awesome.
• 32:50
  And
• 32:51
  so
• 32:51
  I
• 32:51
  want
• 32:51
  to
• 32:51
  take
• 32:51
  you
• 32:52
  Back
• 32:52
  to
• 32:52
  day
• 32:52
  one,
• 32:54
  so
• 32:54
  back
• 32:55
  to
• 32:55
  2017
• 32:56
  or
• 32:57
  whenever
• 32:57
  you
• 32:57
  started
• 32:58
  the
• 32:58
  idea
• 32:58
  of
• 32:59
  developing
• 32:59
  a
• 32:59
  website.
• 33:00
  Tell
• 33:00
  us
• 33:01
  about
• 33:01
  your
• 33:01
  website
• 33:02
  journey.
• 33:03
  So
• 33:03
  take
• 33:03
  us
• 33:03
  back
• 33:04
  to
• 33:04
  the
• 33:04
  beginning
• 33:05
  and
• 33:05
  then
• 33:06
  take
• 33:06
  us
• 33:06
  to
• 33:06
  the
• 33:06
  present.
• 33:08
  Yeah.
• 33:08
  I
• 33:09
  was
• 33:09
  very
• 33:09
  naive,
• 33:10
  very
• 33:10
  dumb,
• 33:12
  but
• 33:12
  to
• 33:12
  move.
• 33:13
  So
• 33:13
  don't
• 33:13
  ever
• 33:13
  be
• 33:14
  afraid.
• 33:14
  Just
• 33:14
  keep
• 33:15
  going
• 33:15
  forward.
• 33:16
  I
• 33:16
  hired
• 33:17
  a
• 33:17
  graphic
• 33:17
  designer
• 33:18
  instead
• 33:18
  of
• 33:18
  a
• 33:19
  web
• 33:19
  designer.
• 33:20
  And
• 33:20
  so
• 33:20
  we
• 33:20
  built
• 33:21
  up
• 33:21
  this
• 33:21
  graphic
• 33:22
  world
• 33:22
  that
• 33:23
  then
• 33:23
  I
• 33:23
  didn't
• 33:24
  know
• 33:24
  you
• 33:24
  couldn't
• 33:24
  go
• 33:25
  in
• 33:25
  and
• 33:25
  change
• 33:26
  it.
• 33:26
  Like
• 33:27
  it
• 33:27
  just.
• 33:29
  But
• 33:29
  I
• 33:29
  like
• 33:29
  the
• 33:30
  visual,
• 33:30
  so
• 33:31
  nothing
• 33:31
  is
• 33:31
  ever
• 33:32
  bad.
• 33:32
  It's
• 33:33
  just
• 33:33
  how
• 33:33
  I
• 33:33
  utilize
• 33:34
  it
• 33:34
  down
• 33:34
  the
• 33:34
  road.
• 33:35
  Learn
• 33:35
  the
• 33:35
  hard
• 33:36
  way.
• 33:36
  Right.
• 33:37
  Do
• 33:37
  web.
• 33:38
  So
• 33:38
  you
• 33:38
  got
• 33:38
  this
• 33:39
  graphic
• 33:40
  artist
• 33:40
  to
• 33:41
  put
• 33:41
  it
• 33:41
  all
• 33:41
  of
• 33:41
  these
• 33:42
  pieces
• 33:42
  together
• 33:42
  and
• 33:43
  then
• 33:43
  you
• 33:43
  went,
• 33:44
  oh,
• 33:44
  I
• 33:45
  can't
• 33:45
  get
• 33:45
  that
• 33:46
  format
• 33:46
  into
• 33:46
  a
• 33:47
  website.
• 33:48
  Then
• 33:48
  you
• 33:48
  went
• 33:48
  and
• 33:49
  found
• 33:49
  yourself
• 33:49
  a
• 33:49
  website
• 33:50
  developer.
• 33:51
  Yes.
• 33:52
  Who
• 33:52
  took
• 33:52
  the
• 33:53
  graphics
• 33:53
  and
• 33:54
  then
• 33:54
  put
• 33:54
  it
• 33:55
  into
• 33:55
  a
• 33:55
  normal
• 33:56
  website
• 33:57
  normally
• 33:57
  developed.
• 33:58
  Where
• 33:58
  then
• 33:58
  I
• 33:59
  could
• 33:59
  go
• 33:59
  in
• 33:59
  and
• 34:00
  change
• 34:00
  the
• 34:01
  wording
• 34:01
  or
• 34:01
  update.
• 34:02
  Now
• 34:03
  I
• 34:03
  haven't
• 34:03
  gone
• 34:03
  in
• 34:04
  and
• 34:04
  updated
• 34:04
  it
• 34:05
  said
• 34:05
  pre
• 34:05
  ordered.
• 34:06
  Now
• 34:06
  I
• 34:06
  can
• 34:06
  go
• 34:06
  in
• 34:07
  and
• 34:07
  update
• 34:07
  it
• 34:07
  myself
• 34:08
  and
• 34:09
  books
• 34:09
  are
• 34:09
  available.
• 34:10
  You
• 34:10
  see
• 34:10
  what
• 34:11
  I'm
• 34:11
  saying?
• 34:11
  Where
• 34:11
  before
• 34:11
  when
• 34:12
  I
• 34:12
  originally
• 34:12
  designed,
• 34:13
  I
• 34:14
  couldn't
• 34:14
  go
• 34:14
  in
• 34:14
  and
• 34:14
  make
• 34:15
  those
• 34:15
  changes.
• 34:16
  I've
• 34:16
  got
• 34:16
  your
• 34:16
  website
• 34:17
  up
• 34:17
  in
• 34:17
  front
• 34:17
  of
• 34:17
  me
• 34:17
  and
• 34:18
  I
• 34:18
  looked
• 34:18
  at
• 34:18
  it
• 34:18
  and
• 34:19
  I
• 34:19
  thought,
• 34:19
  you've
• 34:20
  got
• 34:20
  a
• 34:21
  lot
• 34:21
  on
• 34:21
  here.
• 34:22
  It's
• 34:22
  grown
• 34:23
  over
• 34:23
  the
• 34:23
  years.
• 34:24
  Yes.
• 34:25
  So
• 34:25
  like
• 34:26
  when
• 34:26
  I
• 34:26
  look
• 34:26
  at
• 34:26
  your
• 34:26
  tabs,
• 34:27
  you
• 34:27
  probably
• 34:28
  didn't
• 34:28
  have
• 34:29
  the
• 34:29
  dream
• 34:29
  shop
• 34:30
  in
• 34:30
  the
• 34:30
  beginning,
• 34:30
  is
• 34:31
  that
• 34:31
  right?
• 34:32
  It's
• 34:33
  hard
• 34:33
  to
• 34:33
  remember.
• 34:34
  I
• 34:34
  think
• 34:34
  I've
• 34:34
  always
• 34:35
  had
• 34:36
  whatever
• 34:36
  I've
• 34:37
  created
• 34:38
  on
• 34:38
  my
• 34:38
  website
• 34:39
  for
• 34:39
  sale.
• 34:40
  2017,
• 34:40
  Dream
• 34:41
  Big
• 34:41
  was
• 34:41
  on
• 34:41
  there.
• 34:42
  2019,
• 34:43
  I
• 34:43
  had
• 34:43
  Dream
• 34:44
  and
• 34:44
  Love.
• 34:45
  And
• 34:45
  I
• 34:45
  think
• 34:45
  at
• 34:46
  Love
• 34:46
  Big
• 34:46
  is
• 34:46
  when
• 34:46
  I
• 34:47
  created
• 34:47
  this
• 34:47
  guy.
• 34:48
  Since
• 34:48
  2019,
• 34:49
  all
• 34:50
  those
• 34:50
  have
• 34:50
  been
• 34:50
  on
• 34:50
  there
• 34:51
  and
• 34:51
  then
• 34:51
  grown
• 34:51
  from
• 34:52
  there.
• 34:52
  Terrific.
• 34:55
  I
• 34:55
  want
• 34:56
  to
• 34:56
  talk
• 34:56
  a
• 34:56
  little
• 34:56
  bit
• 34:57
  about
• 34:57
  your
• 34:57
  social
• 34:58
  media
• 34:58
  because
• 34:59
  I
• 34:59
  think
• 35:00
  if
• 35:00
  I.
• 35:00
  You've
• 35:00
  got
• 35:01
  all
• 35:01
  your
• 35:01
  social
• 35:01
  media
• 35:02
  at
• 35:02
  the
• 35:02
  bottom.
• 35:04
  Yeah,
• 35:04
  I.
• 35:05
  Yes.
• 35:05
  Yeah.
• 35:06
  But
• 35:06
  you
• 35:07
  know
• 35:07
  what?
• 35:07
  Before
• 35:07
  we
• 35:07
  get
• 35:08
  into
• 35:08
  that,
• 35:08
  I
• 35:08
  missed
• 35:09
  one
• 35:09
  important
• 35:10
  question
• 35:11
  when
• 35:11
  I
• 35:11
  was
• 35:12
  thinking
• 35:12
  about
• 35:12
  publishing
• 35:13
  because.
• 35:14
  And
• 35:14
  the
• 35:14
  reason
• 35:15
  I
• 35:15
  want
• 35:15
  to
• 35:15
  make
• 35:15
  sure
• 35:16
  I
• 35:16
  circle
• 35:16
  back
• 35:16
  to
• 35:17
  it
• 35:17
  is
• 35:17
  because
• 35:17
  I've
• 35:18
  never
• 35:18
  seen
• 35:18
  this
• 35:18
  one
• 35:19
  before.
• 35:19
  You
• 35:20
  have
• 35:20
  what's
• 35:20
  called
• 35:21
  Indie
• 35:21
  Bound.
• 35:23
  You
• 35:23
  say
• 35:23
  you
• 35:23
  can
• 35:24
  buy
• 35:24
  your
• 35:24
  books
• 35:24
  on
• 35:25
  Amazon,
• 35:26
  Barnes
• 35:26
  and
• 35:27
  Noble,
• 35:27
  which
• 35:27
  I
• 35:27
  see
• 35:28
  all
• 35:28
  the
• 35:28
  time,
• 35:28
  but
• 35:29
  I've
• 35:29
  never
• 35:29
  seen
• 35:30
  Indie
• 35:31
  Bound.
• 35:31
  So
• 35:32
  tell
• 35:32
  us
• 35:32
  about
• 35:32
  that
• 35:33
  publishing
• 35:33
  service,
• 35:34
  how
• 35:34
  that
• 35:34
  works
• 35:35
  for
• 35:35
  you.
• 35:36
  The
• 35:36
  main
• 35:37
  reason
• 35:37
  I
• 35:37
  did
• 35:38
  Indiebound,
• 35:38
  I'm
• 35:39
  in
• 35:39
  Austin,
• 35:39
  Texas
• 35:40
  and
• 35:40
  there's
• 35:41
  an
• 35:41
  independent
• 35:41
  bookstore
• 35:42
  called
• 35:43
  People
• 35:45
  that
• 35:45
  is
• 35:46
  just
• 35:46
  amazing.
• 35:47
  I
• 35:48
  try
• 35:48
  to
• 35:48
  encourage
• 35:49
  peers
• 35:49
  and
• 35:50
  friends
• 35:50
  in
• 35:50
  the
• 35:51
  area
• 35:51
  to
• 35:51
  go
• 35:51
  buy
• 35:52
  my
• 35:52
  book
• 35:52
  there
• 35:53
  because
• 35:53
  it's
• 35:54
  such
• 35:55
  a
• 35:55
  powerful
• 35:56
  gift
• 35:56
  to
• 35:56
  our
• 35:57
  community
• 35:58
  to
• 35:58
  have
• 35:59
  a
• 35:59
  space
• 36:00
  that
• 36:00
  celebrates
• 36:01
  books
• 36:01
  like
• 36:02
  they
• 36:02
  do.
• 36:02
  So
• 36:03
  the
• 36:03
  indie
• 36:03
  town
• 36:03
  is
• 36:04
  a
• 36:04
  way
• 36:04
  that
• 36:04
  people
• 36:05
  can
• 36:05
  go
• 36:05
  in
• 36:05
  and
• 36:06
  get
• 36:06
  my
• 36:06
  book
• 36:07
  off
• 36:07
  of
• 36:07
  book
• 36:07
  People.
• 36:08
  Okay.
• 36:08
  From
• 36:09
  I
• 36:09
  went
• 36:09
  to
• 36:09
  the
• 36:10
  website
• 36:10
  and
• 36:11
  again,
• 36:11
  I
• 36:11
  want
• 36:11
  to
• 36:11
  share
• 36:12
  this
• 36:12
  with,
• 36:13
  with
• 36:13
  our
• 36:13
  audience
• 36:14
  because
• 36:15
  getting
• 36:16
  into
• 36:16
  independent
• 36:17
  bookstores,
• 36:18
  there's
• 36:19
  a
• 36:19
  lot
• 36:19
  of
• 36:20
  us
• 36:20
  children's,
• 36:21
  independent
• 36:21
  children's
• 36:22
  book
• 36:22
  authors
• 36:23
  or
• 36:23
  self
• 36:23
  published
• 36:24
  children's
• 36:24
  book
• 36:24
  authors.
• 36:25
  We're
• 36:25
  all
• 36:25
  trying
• 36:25
  to
• 36:25
  get
• 36:26
  into
• 36:26
  an
• 36:27
  independent
• 36:27
  bookstore
• 36:29
  and
• 36:29
  it's
• 36:30
  not
• 36:30
  always
• 36:30
  as
• 36:30
  easy
• 36:31
  as
• 36:31
  people
• 36:31
  think.
• 36:33
  Now
• 36:34
  from
• 36:34
  what
• 36:34
  I
• 36:34
  gather
• 36:35
  from
• 36:35
  the
• 36:35
  Indie
• 36:36
  Bound
• 36:36
  is
• 36:37
  they
• 36:37
  actually
• 36:38
  donate
• 36:39
  funds
• 36:41
  to
• 36:42
  independent
• 36:42
  bookstores.
• 36:45
  I
• 36:45
  don't
• 36:46
  know
• 36:46
  if
• 36:46
  I
• 36:46
  can
• 36:46
  answer
• 36:47
  that
• 36:47
  and
• 36:48
  be
• 36:48
  confident
• 36:49
  in
• 36:49
  my
• 36:49
  answer.
• 36:50
  Okay.
• 36:52
  And
• 36:53
  the
• 36:53
  only
• 36:53
  reason
• 36:53
  I
• 36:53
  asked
• 36:54
  is
• 36:54
  because
• 36:54
  when
• 36:55
  I
• 36:55
  read
• 36:55
  that,
• 36:55
  I
• 36:55
  thought,
• 36:56
  oh,
• 36:56
  so
• 36:56
  if
• 36:57
  you
• 36:57
  could
• 36:57
  get
• 36:57
  associated
• 36:58
  with
• 36:59
  one
• 37:00
  independent
• 37:01
  bookstore
• 37:01
  in
• 37:01
  your
• 37:02
  area
• 37:03
  and
• 37:03
  you
• 37:04
  could
• 37:04
  use
• 37:04
  that
• 37:04
  as
• 37:05
  a
• 37:05
  selling
• 37:05
  feature
• 37:06
  that
• 37:06
  they
• 37:07
  would
• 37:07
  be
• 37:07
  donating
• 37:08
  to
• 37:08
  that
• 37:09
  bookstore.
• 37:10
  I
• 37:10
  don't
• 37:11
  know
• 37:11
  the
• 37:11
  answer.
• 37:12
  I
• 37:12
  should
• 37:12
  ask
• 37:12
  the
• 37:13
  people
• 37:13
  that
• 37:13
  I
• 37:13
  work
• 37:14
  with
• 37:14
  at
• 37:14
  Book
• 37:14
  People
• 37:15
  and
• 37:16
  see
• 37:16
  if
• 37:16
  I
• 37:16
  can
• 37:16
  find
• 37:16
  that
• 37:17
  answer
• 37:17
  because
• 37:17
  I
• 37:18
  don't
• 37:18
  really
• 37:19
  know
• 37:19
  because
• 37:20
  they're
• 37:20
  fighting
• 37:20
  just
• 37:21
  like
• 37:21
  we
• 37:21
  are
• 37:21
  to
• 37:22
  get
• 37:23
  absolutely.
• 37:23
  And
• 37:24
  recognized
• 37:25
  over
• 37:25
  Amazon.
• 37:26
  And
• 37:27
  I
• 37:27
  don't
• 37:27
  know
• 37:28
  the
• 37:28
  answer
• 37:28
  to
• 37:28
  that
• 37:28
  because
• 37:29
  it
• 37:29
  would
• 37:29
  be
• 37:29
  really
• 37:29
  amazing
• 37:30
  if
• 37:30
  they
• 37:30
  all
• 37:30
  collaborated
• 37:31
  that
• 37:31
  way.
• 37:32
  For
• 37:32
  sure.
• 37:33
  And
• 37:33
  the
• 37:33
  reason
• 37:33
  I
• 37:33
  bring
• 37:33
  that
• 37:34
  up
• 37:34
  too
• 37:34
  is
• 37:34
  because
• 37:34
  I
• 37:35
  just
• 37:35
  had
• 37:35
  an
• 37:35
  experience
• 37:36
  where
• 37:37
  I
• 37:37
  went
• 37:38
  to
• 37:38
  an
• 37:38
  independent
• 37:38
  bookstore.
• 37:40
  We
• 37:40
  live
• 37:41
  just
• 37:41
  outside
• 37:41
  the
• 37:41
  Rocky
• 37:42
  Mountains.
• 37:43
  All
• 37:43
  of
• 37:43
  our
• 37:43
  stories
• 37:43
  have
• 37:44
  taken
• 37:44
  place
• 37:44
  in
• 37:45
  the
• 37:45
  Rocky
• 37:45
  Mountains.
• 37:45
  But
• 37:45
  I
• 37:46
  went
• 37:46
  to
• 37:47
  a
• 37:48
  independent
• 37:48
  bookstore.
• 37:49
  It's
• 37:50
  probably
• 37:50
  about
• 37:50
  300km
• 37:52
  away
• 37:52
  from
• 37:53
  where
• 37:53
  we
• 37:53
  live.
• 37:53
  But
• 37:54
  anyways,
• 37:55
  they
• 37:56
  only
• 37:56
  support
• 37:58
  independent
• 37:58
  children's
• 37:59
  book
• 37:59
  authors
• 38:00
  who
• 38:00
  live
• 38:00
  within
• 38:01
  100
• 38:01
  kilometer
• 38:02
  radius.
• 38:03
  So
• 38:04
  if
• 38:04
  you
• 38:04
  don't
• 38:04
  live
• 38:04
  within
• 38:05
  that
• 38:05
  radius,
• 38:06
  they
• 38:06
  won't
• 38:06
  support
• 38:07
  you.
• 38:07
  And
• 38:07
  I
• 38:08
  thought,
• 38:08
  oh,
• 38:09
  so
• 38:09
  I
• 38:10
  just
• 38:10
  thought
• 38:10
  that
• 38:10
  this
• 38:10
  was
• 38:11
  interesting
• 38:11
  when
• 38:11
  you
• 38:12
  said
• 38:12
  Indie
• 38:12
  Bound
• 38:12
  and
• 38:13
  then
• 38:13
  I
• 38:13
  went
• 38:13
  to
• 38:13
  their
• 38:13
  website
• 38:14
  and
• 38:14
  I.
• 38:14
  Now
• 38:15
  you've
• 38:15
  got
• 38:15
  me
• 38:15
  thinking
• 38:16
  I'm
• 38:16
  going
• 38:16
  to
• 38:16
  have
• 38:16
  to
• 38:16
  go
• 38:16
  back
• 38:17
  and.
• 38:17
  Oh
• 38:17
  yeah,
• 38:18
  yeah.
• 38:19
  Between
• 38:19
  us,
• 38:19
  if
• 38:20
  you
• 38:20
  can
• 38:20
  develop
• 38:20
  a
• 38:20
  relationship
• 38:21
  with
• 38:21
  a.
• 38:22
  With
• 38:22
  an
• 38:22
  independent
• 38:23
  bookstore
• 38:23
  and
• 38:23
  say,
• 38:23
  you
• 38:24
  know
• 38:24
  what,
• 38:24
  Indie
• 38:25
  Bound
• 38:26
  is
• 38:26
  going
• 38:27
  to
• 38:27
  donate
• 38:28
  and
• 38:28
  I
• 38:28
  get
• 38:28
  to
• 38:29
  choose
• 38:29
  who
• 38:30
  they
• 38:30
  donate
• 38:31
  to
• 38:31
  in
• 38:31
  my
• 38:32
  area,
• 38:32
  that'd
• 38:33
  be
• 38:33
  a
• 38:33
  nice
• 38:34
  relationship
• 38:35
  feature.
• 38:35
  Yeah.
• 38:36
  There
• 38:36
  were
• 38:36
  mutual
• 38:37
  benefit
• 38:38
  for
• 38:38
  both.
• 38:38
  I
• 38:39
  hear
• 38:39
  exactly
• 38:39
  what
• 38:40
  you're
• 38:40
  putting
• 38:40
  down
• 38:40
  and
• 38:41
  I'm
• 38:41
  not
• 38:41
  100%
• 38:42
  sure.
• 38:42
  I
• 38:42
  got
• 38:43
  really
• 38:43
  lazy
• 38:44
  during
• 38:44
  COVID
• 38:46
  and
• 38:46
  I'm
• 38:46
  just
• 38:47
  getting
• 38:47
  back
• 38:47
  into
• 38:48
  it.
• 38:48
  So
• 38:48
  I'm
• 38:48
  like,
• 38:49
  you
• 38:49
  don't
• 38:49
  know
• 38:50
  for
• 38:50
  sure.
• 38:50
  There
• 38:51
  we
• 38:51
  go.
• 38:51
  We
• 38:51
  both
• 38:51
  got
• 38:52
  homework.
• 38:53
  Yeah.
• 38:53
  Exactly
• 38:54
  as
• 38:54
  it
• 38:54
  is
• 38:54
  a
• 38:55
  beautiful
• 38:55
  thought.
• 38:57
  I
• 38:57
  want
• 38:57
  to
• 38:57
  talk
• 38:57
  to
• 38:57
  you
• 38:58
  about
• 38:58
  your
• 38:58
  motivation
• 38:59
  because
• 38:59
  I
• 38:59
  know
• 38:59
  you
• 38:59
  talked
• 39:00
  about
• 39:00
  sitting
• 39:00
  in
• 39:01
  a
• 39:01
  Symphony
• 39:02
  and
• 39:02
  was
• 39:02
  that
• 39:03
  the
• 39:03
  main
• 39:04
  thing
• 39:04
  that
• 39:04
  motivated
• 39:05
  you
• 39:05
  to
• 39:06
  write
• 39:06
  your
• 39:06
  children's
• 39:07
  book
• 39:07
  or
• 39:08
  did
• 39:09
  it
• 39:09
  just
• 39:09
  jump
• 39:09
  started?
• 39:10
  What
• 39:10
  was
• 39:10
  the
• 39:11
  major
• 39:11
  motivation
• 39:12
  to
• 39:12
  get
• 39:13
  around
• 39:13
  to
• 39:14
  actually
• 39:14
  completing
• 39:15
  it?
• 39:15
  You
• 39:15
  get
• 39:16
  a
• 39:16
  jump
• 39:16
  start,
• 39:16
  but
• 39:16
  if
• 39:17
  you
• 39:17
  don't
• 39:17
  finish,
• 39:18
  tell
• 39:18
  us
• 39:18
  that
• 39:18
  story.
• 39:20
  Yeah,
• 39:20
  I
• 39:21
  would
• 39:21
  say
• 39:21
  the
• 39:21
  whole.
• 39:22
  I
• 39:22
  think
• 39:22
  these
• 39:23
  stories
• 39:23
  were
• 39:23
  already
• 39:24
  written.
• 39:24
  As
• 39:25
  crazy
• 39:25
  as
• 39:25
  that
• 39:26
  sounds.
• 39:26
  I
• 39:26
  think
• 39:26
  they
• 39:27
  wanted
• 39:27
  someone
• 39:27
  that
• 39:28
  would
• 39:28
  actually
• 39:28
  sit
• 39:28
  down
• 39:29
  and
• 39:30
  put
• 39:30
  them
• 39:30
  on
• 39:31
  paper
• 39:31
  for
• 39:31
  other
• 39:32
  people.
• 39:32
  And
• 39:33
  I
• 39:33
  think
• 39:33
  the
• 39:33
  reason
• 39:33
  they
• 39:34
  found
• 39:34
  me
• 39:35
  is
• 39:36
  because
• 39:36
  I
• 39:36
  had
• 39:36
  a
• 39:37
  pretty
• 39:37
  hard
• 39:37
  childhood.
• 39:38
  Like
• 39:38
  I
• 39:38
  didn't
• 39:39
  have
• 39:39
  life
• 39:39
  Skills
• 39:40
  or
• 39:40
  social,
• 39:40
  emotional
• 39:41
  learning.
• 39:41
  I
• 39:41
  was
• 39:42
  thrown
• 39:43
  in
• 39:43
  the
• 39:43
  fire
• 39:43
  with
• 39:43
  different
• 39:44
  circumstances
• 39:45
  and
• 39:46
  have
• 39:46
  since
• 39:47
  built
• 39:47
  a
• 39:47
  life
• 39:48
  that
• 39:48
  I'm
• 39:49
  love
• 39:49
  and
• 39:50
  I
• 39:50
  dream
• 39:50
  big.
• 39:50
  I
• 39:51
  love
• 39:51
  big.
• 39:51
  I
• 39:51
  think
• 39:52
  big.
• 39:52
  I
• 39:52
  have
• 39:52
  an
• 39:52
  amazing
• 39:54
  life
• 39:55
  and
• 39:56
  I
• 39:56
  wanted
• 39:56
  to
• 39:57
  not
• 39:57
  have
• 39:57
  kids
• 39:57
  bang
• 39:58
  around
• 39:58
  in
• 39:58
  the
• 39:58
  dark
• 39:59
  like
• 39:59
  I
• 39:59
  did
• 39:59
  for
• 40:00
  decades.
• 40:01
  Right.
• 40:01
  So
• 40:01
  I
• 40:01
  think
• 40:02
  that's
• 40:02
  why
• 40:02
  these
• 40:02
  stories
• 40:03
  found
• 40:03
  me,
• 40:03
  to
• 40:04
  give
• 40:04
  kids
• 40:04
  a
• 40:05
  chance.
• 40:06
  It's
• 40:06
  very
• 40:07
  subtle,
• 40:07
  but
• 40:07
  a
• 40:07
  real.
• 40:08
  I
• 40:08
  see
• 40:08
  kids
• 40:09
  hold
• 40:09
  my
• 40:09
  books
• 40:10
  like
• 40:10
  it's
• 40:10
  a
• 40:10
  lifeline,
• 40:11
  especially
• 40:11
  the
• 40:11
  ones
• 40:12
  that
• 40:12
  have
• 40:12
  been
• 40:12
  through
• 40:13
  something.
• 40:13
  And
• 40:15
  so
• 40:15
  there's
• 40:15
  some
• 40:15
  level
• 40:16
  of
• 40:16
  truth
• 40:16
  to
• 40:17
  that
• 40:17
  that
• 40:17
  I
• 40:17
  think
• 40:18
  I
• 40:18
  wrote
• 40:18
  a
• 40:19
  place
• 40:19
  that
• 40:19
  the
• 40:20
  kids
• 40:20
  that
• 40:20
  need
• 40:20
  it,
• 40:21
  it
• 40:21
  speaks
• 40:21
  to
• 40:22
  them
• 40:22
  in
• 40:22
  that.
• 40:22
  Place
• 40:23
  you
• 40:23
  saw
• 40:23
  yourself
• 40:24
  and
• 40:25
  released
• 40:25
  yourself.
• 40:27
  Yeah.
• 40:28
  I
• 40:28
  think
• 40:29
  my
• 40:29
  books
• 40:30
  were
• 40:30
  a
• 40:31
  way
• 40:31
  to
• 40:31
  bring
• 40:31
  light
• 40:32
  into
• 40:32
  the
• 40:32
  darkness.
• 40:33
  They
• 40:33
  brought
• 40:33
  light
• 40:33
  into
• 40:34
  my
• 40:34
  life
• 40:34
  as
• 40:34
  a
• 40:35
  writer.
• 40:36
  They
• 40:36
  were
• 40:36
  the
• 40:36
  light
• 40:36
  I
• 40:36
  needed
• 40:37
  as
• 40:37
  a
• 40:37
  little
• 40:37
  girl.
• 40:38
  And
• 40:38
  my
• 40:38
  prayer
• 40:39
  is
• 40:39
  that
• 40:39
  they're
• 40:39
  the
• 40:39
  light
• 40:40
  into
• 40:40
  the
• 40:41
  readers
• 40:41
  and
• 40:41
  homes
• 40:42
  and
• 40:42
  classrooms
• 40:42
  going
• 40:43
  forward.
• 40:43
  That
• 40:44
  they,
• 40:44
  for
• 40:45
  me,
• 40:45
  so
• 40:46
  fantastic.
• 40:47
  It's
• 40:48
  fantastic
• 40:48
  you
• 40:48
  can
• 40:49
  influence
• 40:49
  people
• 40:50
  that
• 40:50
  way.
• 40:50
  Our
• 40:50
  children
• 40:51
  especially.
• 40:52
  Yeah.
• 40:53
  About
• 40:55
  character
• 40:56
  development
• 40:56
  because
• 40:57
  you've
• 40:57
  got
• 40:57
  four
• 40:57
  books.
• 40:58
  I
• 40:58
  know
• 40:58
  you've
• 40:58
  got
• 40:59
  Ketchum,
• 40:59
  but
• 40:59
  talk
• 41:00
  to
• 41:00
  us
• 41:00
  about
• 41:00
  this
• 41:00
  whole
• 41:01
  character
• 41:02
  development
• 41:03
  and
• 41:04
  does
• 41:04
  it
• 41:04
  come
• 41:04
  from
• 41:05
  those
• 41:05
  experiences
• 41:05
  you
• 41:06
  just
• 41:06
  talked
• 41:06
  about?
• 41:07
  Because
• 41:08
  literally
• 41:09
  you've
• 41:09
  heard
• 41:09
  Symphony,
• 41:10
  Smile.
• 41:11
  That's
• 41:11
  all
• 41:11
  I
• 41:11
  got.
• 41:11
  I'm
• 41:12
  like,
• 41:12
  okay,
• 41:12
  now
• 41:13
  what?
• 41:13
  Like,
• 41:13
  nothing
• 41:14
  came.
• 41:14
  I'm
• 41:15
  nothing.
• 41:15
  Nothing
• 41:17
  but
• 41:17
  sitting
• 41:18
  for
• 41:18
  hours
• 41:18
  and
• 41:19
  hours
• 41:19
  with
• 41:19
  stacks
• 41:20
  and
• 41:20
  books
• 41:21
  from
• 41:21
  a
• 41:21
  library.
• 41:21
  Never
• 41:22
  really
• 41:22
  went
• 41:22
  to
• 41:22
  a
• 41:22
  library
• 41:23
  till
• 41:23
  I
• 41:23
  got
• 41:23
  whacked
• 41:24
  over
• 41:24
  the
• 41:24
  head
• 41:24
  at
• 41:24
  the
• 41:25
  symphony.
• 41:26
  And
• 41:26
  I'm
• 41:26
  like,
• 41:26
  I
• 41:26
  can't.
• 41:27
  People
• 41:27
  were
• 41:28
  like,
• 41:28
  I
• 41:28
  met
• 41:28
  an
• 41:29
  author.
• 41:29
  They're
• 41:29
  like,
• 41:30
  if
• 41:30
  you're
• 41:30
  going
• 41:31
  to
• 41:31
  write,
• 41:31
  you
• 41:31
  need
• 41:31
  to
• 41:31
  start
• 41:32
  reading.
• 41:32
  I'm
• 41:33
  like,
• 41:33
  I
• 41:33
  can't
• 41:33
  afford
• 41:34
  to
• 41:34
  go
• 41:34
  buy
• 41:34
  a
• 41:34
  bunch
• 41:35
  of
• 41:35
  books.
• 41:35
  And
• 41:35
  they're
• 41:35
  like,
• 41:36
  go
• 41:36
  to
• 41:36
  the
• 41:36
  library.
• 41:38
  So
• 41:39
  we
• 41:39
  would
• 41:39
  go
• 41:39
  to
• 41:39
  the
• 41:40
  library
• 41:40
  and
• 41:40
  get
• 41:40
  stacks
• 41:41
  and
• 41:41
  stack
• 41:41
  stacks
• 41:42
  of
• 41:42
  books
• 41:43
  and
• 41:43
  just
• 41:43
  read
• 41:43
  through
• 41:44
  and
• 41:44
  find
• 41:44
  what
• 41:44
  we
• 41:44
  like
• 41:45
  and
• 41:45
  didn't.
• 41:45
  Hundreds
• 41:46
  and
• 41:46
  hundreds.
• 41:47
  And
• 41:47
  in
• 41:48
  that
• 41:48
  we
• 41:48
  decided
• 41:49
  we
• 41:49
  wanted
• 41:49
  animals
• 41:50
  in
• 41:50
  the
• 41:50
  story
• 41:51
  that
• 41:51
  animals
• 41:52
  were
• 41:52
  going
• 41:52
  to
• 41:52
  be.
• 41:53
  I
• 41:53
  tried
• 41:53
  people
• 41:54
  didn't
• 41:54
  work.
• 41:54
  So
• 41:54
  we
• 41:55
  were
• 41:55
  going
• 41:55
  to
• 41:55
  focus
• 41:55
  on
• 41:56
  animals.
• 41:57
  And
• 41:57
  Albert
• 41:58
  Einstein
• 41:59
  says,
• 42:00
  if
• 42:00
  you
• 42:00
  look
• 42:00
  deep
• 42:01
  into
• 42:01
  nature,
• 42:02
  you
• 42:02
  will
• 42:02
  understand
• 42:03
  everything
• 42:04
  better.
• 42:05
  So
• 42:05
  then
• 42:05
  we
• 42:06
  picked
• 42:06
  Africa.
• 42:07
  And
• 42:08
  you
• 42:08
  watch
• 42:09
  each
• 42:09
  of
• 42:09
  these
• 42:10
  different
• 42:10
  animals.
• 42:11
  I
• 42:11
  use
• 42:11
  the
• 42:11
  real
• 42:12
  science
• 42:12
  of
• 42:12
  animals.
• 42:13
  If
• 42:13
  flamingo's
• 42:14
  born
• 42:14
  white,
• 42:15
  then
• 42:15
  it
• 42:15
  turns
• 42:16
  gray
• 42:16
  before
• 42:16
  it
• 42:17
  turns
• 42:17
  pink.
• 42:18
  And
• 42:19
  that's
• 42:19
  fascinating.
• 42:20
  So
• 42:21
  in
• 42:21
  the
• 42:21
  first
• 42:21
  book,
• 42:21
  you'd
• 42:22
  see
• 42:22
  that
• 42:22
  flamingo
• 42:23
  want
• 42:23
  to
• 42:23
  be
• 42:24
  beautiful
• 42:24
  and
• 42:25
  then
• 42:25
  she
• 42:25
  feels
• 42:26
  real
• 42:26
  self
• 42:27
  conscious
• 42:27
  and
• 42:27
  Turns
• 42:28
  an
• 42:28
  awful
• 42:28
  gray
• 42:29
  like
• 42:29
  I
• 42:29
  did
• 42:29
  writing
• 42:30
  because
• 42:30
  I
• 42:30
  was
• 42:30
  terrible
• 42:31
  writer
• 42:31
  in
• 42:31
  the
• 42:31
  beginning
• 42:33
  and
• 42:33
  used
• 42:33
  her
• 42:34
  whole
• 42:35
  journey
• 42:35
  to
• 42:35
  her
• 42:36
  best
• 42:36
  life
• 42:37
  as
• 42:38
  so
• 42:38
  my
• 42:38
  character
• 42:39
  development
• 42:40
  was
• 42:40
  always
• 42:40
  based
• 42:41
  on
• 42:41
  the
• 42:41
  science
• 42:42
  of
• 42:42
  each
• 42:42
  animal
• 42:43
  let
• 42:43
  go
• 42:44
  going
• 42:44
  from
• 42:45
  place
• 42:45
  A
• 42:46
  to
• 42:46
  their
• 42:47
  best
• 42:47
  life.
• 42:48
  So
• 42:48
  it's
• 42:48
  their
• 42:48
  hero's
• 42:49
  journey.
• 42:50
  I
• 42:51
  use
• 42:51
  science.
• 42:51
  So
• 42:52
  there's
• 42:52
  a
• 42:52
  lot
• 42:52
  of
• 42:52
  science,
• 42:53
  a
• 42:53
  lot
• 42:53
  of
• 42:53
  social,
• 42:54
  emotional
• 42:54
  learning
• 42:55
  for
• 42:55
  each
• 42:56
  character
• 42:57
  development
• 42:57
  and
• 42:57
  then
• 42:58
  trying
• 42:58
  to
• 42:58
  have
• 42:58
  them
• 42:59
  all
• 42:59
  incorporate
• 43:00
  with
• 43:00
  each
• 43:00
  other's
• 43:01
  lives
• 43:01
  and.
• 43:02
  And
• 43:02
  you
• 43:02
  kept
• 43:02
  that
• 43:03
  alive
• 43:03
  through
• 43:04
  the
• 43:04
  whole
• 43:04
  series.
• 43:05
  Exactly.
• 43:06
  Good
• 43:07
  for
• 43:07
  you.
• 43:08
  Yes.
• 43:09
  A
• 43:09
  lot
• 43:09
  of
• 43:10
  layers.
• 43:10
  Let's
• 43:11
  dig
• 43:11
  into
• 43:12
  and
• 43:12
  maybe
• 43:12
  you
• 43:12
  can
• 43:13
  connect
• 43:14
  the
• 43:15
  stars
• 43:16
  so
• 43:17
  into
• 43:17
  the
• 43:17
  theme.
• 43:18
  Discuss
• 43:18
  with
• 43:19
  us
• 43:19
  how
• 43:20
  you
• 43:20
  took
• 43:20
  your
• 43:21
  four
• 43:21
  books
• 43:22
  live
• 43:22
  Big,
• 43:23
  like
• 43:23
  the
• 43:24
  connection.
• 43:24
  How
• 43:25
  did
• 43:25
  you
• 43:25
  run
• 43:25
  the
• 43:25
  themes
• 43:26
  through
• 43:26
  that?
• 43:28
  Yeah.
• 43:28
  So
• 43:29
  again,
• 43:30
  I
• 43:30
  love
• 43:30
  quotes,
• 43:31
  and
• 43:31
  I
• 43:32
  study
• 43:32
  people
• 43:33
  as
• 43:33
  much
• 43:33
  as
• 43:33
  I've
• 43:34
  studied
• 43:34
  animals.
• 43:35
  And
• 43:35
  there
• 43:35
  was
• 43:36
  a
• 43:36
  famous
• 43:36
  scientist,
• 43:37
  Carl
• 43:37
  Sagan,
• 43:38
  that
• 43:38
  says,
• 43:38
  we're
• 43:38
  all
• 43:39
  made
• 43:39
  of
• 43:39
  stardust.
• 43:40
  There's
• 43:40
  a
• 43:40
  little
• 43:40
  piece
• 43:40
  of
• 43:41
  the
• 43:41
  cosmos
• 43:41
  that
• 43:42
  in
• 43:43
  each
• 43:43
  of
• 43:43
  us
• 43:43
  that
• 43:43
  we
• 43:43
  all
• 43:44
  have
• 43:44
  a
• 43:44
  precious
• 43:45
  purpose.
• 43:46
  And
• 43:46
  that's
• 43:47
  always
• 43:47
  jumped
• 43:47
  out
• 43:47
  of
• 43:48
  me.
• 43:48
  Like
• 43:48
  I
• 43:48
  said
• 43:49
  earlier,
• 43:49
  light
• 43:50
  always
• 43:50
  wins
• 43:50
  against
• 43:51
  darkness.
• 43:51
  Love
• 43:52
  always
• 43:52
  wins
• 43:53
  to
• 43:53
  me
• 43:53
  against
• 43:53
  fear.
• 43:55
  And
• 43:55
  so
• 43:55
  the
• 43:55
  fact
• 43:55
  that
• 43:55
  we're
• 43:56
  all
• 43:56
  made
• 43:56
  a
• 43:56
  stardust,
• 43:57
  this
• 43:57
  little
• 43:57
  guy
• 43:58
  grew
• 43:59
  as
• 43:59
  I
• 43:59
  developed
• 44:00
  that.
• 44:01
  You'll
• 44:01
  see
• 44:02
  in
• 44:02
  each
• 44:02
  story,
• 44:02
  the
• 44:03
  animals,
• 44:03
  when
• 44:03
  they
• 44:03
  get
• 44:04
  to
• 44:04
  their
• 44:04
  best
• 44:04
  life,
• 44:05
  the
• 44:05
  little
• 44:05
  star
• 44:05
  lights
• 44:06
  up
• 44:06
  in
• 44:06
  their
• 44:06
  heart.
• 44:08
  So
• 44:08
  it
• 44:09
  just
• 44:09
  builds
• 44:09
  on
• 44:10
  the
• 44:10
  fact.
• 44:10
  For
• 44:10
  me,
• 44:10
  it's
• 44:11
  a
• 44:11
  very
• 44:11
  spiritual
• 44:12
  truth.
• 44:13
  But
• 44:13
  I
• 44:13
  can
• 44:14
  go
• 44:14
  in
• 44:14
  and
• 44:14
  let
• 44:15
  kids
• 44:15
  decide
• 44:16
  what
• 44:16
  truth
• 44:17
  it
• 44:17
  is
• 44:17
  for
• 44:17
  them
• 44:17
  because
• 44:18
  it's
• 44:18
  scientific.
• 44:19
  But
• 44:20
  for
• 44:20
  me,
• 44:20
  it's
• 44:20
  very
• 44:20
  spiritual
• 44:21
  that
• 44:21
  they're
• 44:22
  made
• 44:22
  extraordinary,
• 44:23
  that
• 44:23
  they
• 44:24
  have
• 44:24
  an
• 44:24
  extraordinary
• 44:25
  reason
• 44:26
  to
• 44:26
  be.
• 44:27
  This
• 44:28
  guy
• 44:28
  makes
• 44:28
  it
• 44:28
  real
• 44:29
  easy
• 44:29
  to
• 44:29
  remember
• 44:30
  that
• 44:30
  you
• 44:30
  can
• 44:30
  look
• 44:31
  up
• 44:31
  at
• 44:31
  a
• 44:31
  night
• 44:31
  sky
• 44:32
  and
• 44:32
  know
• 44:32
  you're
• 44:33
  part
• 44:33
  of
• 44:33
  something
• 44:33
  way
• 44:34
  bigger
• 44:34
  than
• 44:34
  yourself.
• 44:35
  Wow.
• 44:37
  Thank
• 44:37
  you.
• 44:38
  I
• 44:38
  noticed
• 44:38
  on
• 44:39
  your
• 44:39
  website
• 44:40
  you
• 44:41
  have
• 44:41
  a
• 44:42
  lot
• 44:42
  of
• 44:42
  groups
• 44:42
  that
• 44:43
  you
• 44:43
  read
• 44:43
  to.
• 44:44
  It's
• 44:45
  incredible.
• 44:45
  And
• 44:46
  they're
• 44:46
  quite
• 44:46
  large
• 44:47
  groups.
• 44:47
  Tell
• 44:48
  us,
• 44:48
  when
• 44:48
  you
• 44:49
  go
• 44:49
  and
• 44:49
  you
• 44:49
  do
• 44:49
  your
• 44:50
  reading,
• 44:51
  how
• 44:51
  do
• 44:52
  you
• 44:52
  incorporate
• 44:53
  your
• 44:53
  central
• 44:53
  lesson
• 44:55
  through
• 44:57
  your
• 44:57
  reading?
• 44:58
  How
• 44:58
  do
• 44:58
  you
• 44:58
  incorporate
• 44:59
  that?
• 44:59
  And
• 44:59
  do
• 44:59
  you
• 45:00
  develop
• 45:00
  conversations
• 45:02
  from
• 45:02
  that?
• 45:04
  You
• 45:04
  mean
• 45:04
  develop
• 45:05
  conversations
• 45:06
  in
• 45:06
  the
• 45:06
  keynote.
• 45:07
  When
• 45:07
  I'm
• 45:07
  delivering
• 45:08
  it,
• 45:08
  like
• 45:09
  when
• 45:09
  you're.
• 45:09
  When
• 45:09
  you
• 45:09
  do
• 45:10
  a
• 45:10
  reading
• 45:10
  to.
• 45:11
  I
• 45:11
  noticed
• 45:11
  there's
• 45:11
  a
• 45:11
  lot
• 45:12
  of
• 45:12
  groups
• 45:12
  that
• 45:12
  you've
• 45:12
  read
• 45:13
  to
• 45:13
  when
• 45:13
  you
• 45:14
  do
• 45:14
  that.
• 45:15
  And
• 45:16
  what's
• 45:16
  the
• 45:16
  central
• 45:17
  theme
• 45:18
  that
• 45:18
  you're.
• 45:19
  Are
• 45:20
  you
• 45:20
  trying
• 45:20
  to
• 45:20
  draw
• 45:22
  more
• 45:22
  than.
• 45:23
  This
• 45:23
  is
• 45:23
  the
• 45:23
  central
• 45:24
  theme.
• 45:25
  And
• 45:25
  I'm
• 45:25
  talking
• 45:26
  to
• 45:26
  you.
• 45:27
  I'm
• 45:27
  thinking
• 45:27
  about
• 45:27
  your
• 45:28
  audience's
• 45:29
  reaction
• 45:29
  and
• 45:29
  how
• 45:30
  you
• 45:30
  draw
• 45:30
  it
• 45:30
  out
• 45:31
  of
• 45:31
  them
• 45:31
  rather
• 45:31
  than
• 45:32
  you
• 45:33
  being
• 45:34
  center
• 45:34
  stage?
• 45:35
  Yes.
• 45:36
  They
• 45:36
  get
• 45:36
  personal
• 45:37
  to
• 45:37
  each
• 45:37
  person.
• 45:38
  How
• 45:38
  does
• 45:39
  everybody
• 45:39
  in
• 45:39
  the
• 45:39
  orchestra
• 45:40
  get
• 45:41
  to
• 45:41
  play
• 45:41
  an
• 45:41
  instrument?
• 45:42
  Yeah,
• 45:43
  that's
• 45:43
  a
• 45:43
  beautiful
• 45:44
  question.
• 45:44
  Each
• 45:45
  one
• 45:45
  of
• 45:45
  my
• 45:46
  presentations
• 45:47
  is
• 45:47
  different
• 45:47
  and,
• 45:48
  like,
• 45:48
  for
• 45:48
  the
• 45:48
  most
• 45:48
  part,
• 45:49
  let
• 45:49
  them
• 45:49
  choose.
• 45:51
  But
• 45:51
  this
• 45:52
  guy
• 45:52
  Ketchum
• 45:53
  is
• 45:54
  the
• 45:54
  central
• 45:54
  theme,
• 45:55
  that
• 45:55
  we're
• 45:55
  all
• 45:55
  born
• 45:56
  extraordinary.
• 45:57
  We've
• 45:58
  got
• 45:58
  to
• 45:58
  start
• 45:58
  smiling
• 45:59
  big
• 45:59
  and
• 45:59
  believing
• 46:00
  it
• 46:00
  to
• 46:00
  be
• 46:00
  true.
• 46:01
  Okay,
• 46:02
  that.
• 46:02
  Go
• 46:03
  true.
• 46:04
  I
• 46:04
  go
• 46:04
  back
• 46:04
  to
• 46:05
  that
• 46:05
  point
• 46:06
  over
• 46:06
  and
• 46:06
  over
• 46:07
  through
• 46:07
  the
• 46:07
  presentation,
• 46:08
  and
• 46:08
  have.
• 46:09
  You
• 46:09
  had
• 46:09
  some
• 46:10
  child
• 46:11
  have
• 46:11
  an
• 46:12
  aha
• 46:12
  moment?
• 46:14
  Oh,
• 46:14
  I've
• 46:14
  had
• 46:14
  quite
• 46:15
  a
• 46:15
  few.
• 46:15
  Yeah.
• 46:15
  Okay.
• 46:16
  Can
• 46:16
  you
• 46:16
  tell
• 46:16
  us
• 46:16
  about
• 46:17
  one
• 46:17
  of
• 46:17
  them?
• 46:18
  Yeah.
• 46:18
  One
• 46:19
  was
• 46:19
  right
• 46:19
  in
• 46:20
  the
• 46:20
  beginning.
• 46:20
  I.
• 46:20
  There's
• 46:21
  a
• 46:21
  foster
• 46:22
  home
• 46:22
  here
• 46:22
  in
• 46:23
  Austin,
• 46:23
  and
• 46:24
  I
• 46:24
  just
• 46:24
  called
• 46:24
  them
• 46:25
  out
• 46:25
  of
• 46:25
  the
• 46:25
  blue
• 46:25
  and
• 46:25
  said,
• 46:26
  hey,
• 46:26
  I
• 46:26
  wrote
• 46:26
  a
• 46:26
  children's
• 46:27
  book.
• 46:27
  Can
• 46:27
  I
• 46:28
  come
• 46:28
  and
• 46:28
  share
• 46:28
  it
• 46:28
  with
• 46:28
  your
• 46:29
  kids
• 46:29
  and
• 46:29
  get
• 46:29
  them
• 46:30
  books?
• 46:30
  And
• 46:31
  they're
• 46:31
  like,
• 46:32
  sure.
• 46:32
  And
• 46:33
  they.
• 46:33
  It's
• 46:33
  a
• 46:33
  picture
• 46:34
  book.
• 46:34
  So
• 46:34
  they
• 46:34
  were
• 46:34
  going
• 46:35
  to
• 46:35
  just
• 46:35
  put
• 46:35
  me
• 46:35
  with
• 46:35
  the
• 46:36
  young
• 46:36
  kids,
• 46:36
  and
• 46:37
  I'm
• 46:37
  like,
• 46:37
  let
• 46:37
  me
• 46:37
  do
• 46:37
  the
• 46:37
  old
• 46:38
  kids,
• 46:38
  too,
• 46:38
  Having
• 46:39
  no
• 46:39
  idea.
• 46:39
  Never
• 46:40
  been
• 46:40
  here.
• 46:40
  I
• 46:40
  saw.
• 46:41
  I
• 46:41
  drive
• 46:42
  up,
• 46:42
  a
• 46:42
  kid's
• 46:42
  trying
• 46:43
  to
• 46:43
  escape.
• 46:43
  I'm
• 46:43
  like,
• 46:44
  oh,
• 46:44
  God,
• 46:45
  now
• 46:45
  what
• 46:45
  have
• 46:45
  I
• 46:45
  signed
• 46:46
  up
• 46:46
  for?
• 46:47
  But
• 46:47
  I
• 46:48
  get
• 46:48
  in
• 46:48
  with
• 46:48
  the
• 46:48
  older
• 46:49
  kids
• 46:50
  and
• 46:50
  share
• 46:51
  my
• 46:51
  message,
• 46:52
  and
• 46:52
  a
• 46:52
  little
• 46:52
  girl
• 46:53
  comes
• 46:53
  up
• 46:53
  to
• 46:54
  me.
• 46:54
  She's
• 46:54
  not
• 46:54
  little.
• 46:54
  She
• 46:55
  was
• 46:55
  probably
• 46:55
  12
• 46:55
  at
• 46:56
  the
• 46:56
  time,
• 46:56
  just
• 46:57
  crying.
• 46:57
  She
• 46:57
  goes,
• 46:58
  so
• 46:58
  you
• 46:59
  mean
• 46:59
  I
• 46:59
  can
• 46:59
  be
• 46:59
  a
• 47:00
  scientist?
• 47:01
  She
• 47:01
  had
• 47:02
  never
• 47:03
  heard
• 47:04
  that
• 47:04
  she
• 47:04
  could
• 47:04
  do
• 47:05
  anything.
• 47:06
  Wow.
• 47:07
  Yeah.
• 47:07
  And
• 47:08
  that.
• 47:08
  That
• 47:09
  has
• 47:09
  kept
• 47:09
  me
• 47:09
  motivated
• 47:10
  ever
• 47:10
  since.
• 47:12
  It's
• 47:13
  just.
• 47:13
  It's.
• 47:14
  I
• 47:14
  love
• 47:14
  it.
• 47:14
  I
• 47:15
  love
• 47:15
  it.
• 47:15
  Yeah.
• 47:16
  It's
• 47:16
  like
• 47:16
  you.
• 47:17
  Somebody
• 47:17
  wants
• 47:17
  to
• 47:17
  write
• 47:18
  a
• 47:18
  book
• 47:18
  after
• 47:18
  hearing
• 47:19
  your
• 47:19
  podcast,
• 47:19
  and
• 47:20
  they
• 47:20
  do
• 47:20
  it
• 47:20
  and
• 47:20
  they
• 47:20
  finish
• 47:21
  it.
• 47:21
  It's.
• 47:21
  That's
• 47:22
  the
• 47:22
  motivation
• 47:22
  you
• 47:23
  need
• 47:23
  to
• 47:23
  keep
• 47:23
  going.
• 47:23
  And
• 47:24
  her
• 47:24
  little
• 47:24
  tears
• 47:25
  is
• 47:25
  the
• 47:25
  motivation
• 47:26
  I
• 47:26
  need
• 47:26
  to
• 47:27
  keep
• 47:27
  going.
• 47:27
  Yeah.
• 47:28
  It's
• 47:28
  nice
• 47:28
  when
• 47:28
  something
• 47:29
  that
• 47:29
  you've
• 47:29
  written
• 47:30
  touches
• 47:30
  someone
• 47:31
  that
• 47:32
  motivates
• 47:33
  them
• 47:33
  to
• 47:33
  think
• 47:35
  bigger
• 47:35
  and
• 47:35
  better.
• 47:35
  Yeah.
• 47:36
  Awesome.
• 47:37
  Absolutely.
• 47:39
  Now
• 47:39
  that
• 47:39
  you've.
• 47:41
  I
• 47:41
  don't
• 47:41
  want
• 47:41
  to
• 47:41
  say
• 47:42
  gone
• 47:42
  full
• 47:42
  circle,
• 47:43
  but
• 47:44
  now
• 47:44
  that
• 47:44
  you've
• 47:44
  got
• 47:44
  your
• 47:45
  cl.
• 47:46
  I'm
• 47:46
  not
• 47:46
  sure
• 47:46
  I
• 47:46
  don't
• 47:47
  even
• 47:47
  want
• 47:47
  to
• 47:47
  call
• 47:47
  it
• 47:47
  closure.
• 47:48
  But
• 47:48
  now
• 47:48
  that
• 47:48
  you've
• 47:49
  written
• 47:49
  the
• 47:49
  fourth
• 47:50
  book,
• 47:50
  you've
• 47:51
  the
• 47:51
  plan
• 47:51
  and
• 47:52
  how
• 47:52
  you've
• 47:52
  done
• 47:52
  it
• 47:53
  is
• 47:53
  pretty
• 47:54
  incredible.
• 47:55
  I
• 47:55
  love
• 47:55
  the
• 47:55
  infinity
• 47:56
  because
• 47:57
  it
• 47:57
  just
• 47:57
  keeps
• 47:57
  going
• 47:58
  around
• 47:58
  and
• 47:58
  around
• 47:59
  so
• 47:59
  it
• 48:00
  lasts
• 48:00
  forever.
• 48:02
  Share
• 48:03
  some
• 48:03
  insights
• 48:04
  into
• 48:04
  your
• 48:04
  development
• 48:05
  in
• 48:05
  terms
• 48:06
  of
• 48:07
  thinking
• 48:07
  ahead
• 48:08
  about
• 48:09
  writing
• 48:09
  more
• 48:09
  children's
• 48:10
  books.
• 48:10
  Where's
• 48:11
  that
• 48:11
  journey
• 48:11
  going
• 48:11
  to
• 48:11
  take
• 48:11
  you
• 48:13
  again?
• 48:13
  It's
• 48:13
  always
• 48:14
  gotten
• 48:14
  loud
• 48:15
  when
• 48:15
  I'm
• 48:15
  supposed
• 48:16
  to
• 48:16
  do
• 48:16
  something.
• 48:16
  I
• 48:16
  know
• 48:17
  I'm
• 48:17
  supposed
• 48:17
  to
• 48:17
  do
• 48:17
  a
• 48:17
  workbook.
• 48:18
  It's
• 48:18
  called
• 48:18
  a
• 48:19
  playbook.
• 48:19
  A
• 48:19
  live
• 48:20
  big
• 48:20
  playbook
• 48:21
  that's
• 48:22
  been
• 48:22
  germinating.
• 48:23
  Lord
• 48:24
  knows
• 48:24
  they
• 48:24
  always
• 48:24
  take
• 48:25
  me
• 48:25
  a
• 48:25
  little
• 48:25
  longer.
• 48:26
  The
• 48:26
  first
• 48:26
  one
• 48:26
  and
• 48:27
  this
• 48:27
  last
• 48:27
  one
• 48:27
  took
• 48:27
  me
• 48:28
  a
• 48:28
  lot
• 48:28
  longer
• 48:28
  than
• 48:28
  I
• 48:29
  thought.
• 48:29
  So
• 48:29
  I
• 48:29
  don't
• 48:30
  know
• 48:30
  how
• 48:30
  long
• 48:30
  this
• 48:30
  PL
• 48:31
  playbook
• 48:31
  will
• 48:31
  take
• 48:31
  me.
• 48:32
  It's
• 48:32
  just
• 48:32
  a
• 48:32
  daily
• 48:33
  workbook
• 48:33
  for
• 48:34
  kids
• 48:34
  to
• 48:35
  internalize
• 48:36
  and
• 48:36
  color
• 48:37
  out
• 48:37
  their
• 48:37
  own
• 48:38
  story
• 48:38
  with
• 48:39
  these
• 48:39
  books.
• 48:40
  And
• 48:40
  then
• 48:40
  there's
• 48:41
  been
• 48:41
  some
• 48:41
  talk
• 48:42
  of
• 48:42
  TV
• 48:43
  or
• 48:43
  an
• 48:43
  animation
• 48:44
  series
• 48:44
  to
• 48:44
  go
• 48:45
  along
• 48:45
  with
• 48:45
  it.
• 48:45
  That's.
• 48:46
  Yeah.
• 48:47
  So
• 48:47
  we'll
• 48:47
  see.
• 48:48
  It's
• 48:48
  had
• 48:48
  a
• 48:48
  life
• 48:49
  force
• 48:49
  of
• 48:49
  its
• 48:49
  own,
• 48:50
  so
• 48:50
  we'll
• 48:50
  see.
• 48:51
  Have
• 48:51
  you
• 48:52
  started
• 48:52
  the
• 48:52
  playbook
• 48:53
  or
• 48:54
  is
• 48:54
  it
• 48:54
  just.
• 48:55
  Oh,
• 48:55
  you
• 48:55
  have.
• 48:55
  Good.
• 48:56
  Oh,
• 48:56
  yeah,
• 48:57
  yeah,
• 48:57
  I
• 48:57
  see
• 48:57
  it.
• 48:58
  But
• 48:58
  it's
• 48:58
  changed
• 48:59
  quite
• 48:59
  a
• 48:59
  bit.
• 49:01
  So
• 49:01
  I
• 49:01
  might
• 49:01
  have
• 49:02
  to
• 49:02
  like
• 49:02
  this
• 49:02
  book.
• 49:03
  I
• 49:03
  had
• 49:03
  to
• 49:03
  write
• 49:03
  it
• 49:03
  way
• 49:04
  over
• 49:04
  here
• 49:05
  and
• 49:05
  way
• 49:05
  over
• 49:06
  here
• 49:06
  to
• 49:06
  find
• 49:07
  it.
• 49:07
  So
• 49:08
  I'm
• 49:08
  not
• 49:08
  sure
• 49:09
  where
• 49:09
  I
• 49:09
  am
• 49:09
  in
• 49:09
  the
• 49:10
  process
• 49:10
  of
• 49:10
  the
• 49:10
  work,
• 49:10
  but
• 49:11
  if
• 49:11
  I'm
• 49:12
  going
• 49:12
  to
• 49:12
  find
• 49:12
  it
• 49:12
  easy
• 49:13
  or
• 49:13
  have
• 49:13
  to
• 49:13
  go
• 49:13
  way
• 49:14
  over
• 49:14
  here,
• 49:14
  then
• 49:15
  way
• 49:15
  over
• 49:15
  here
• 49:15
  to
• 49:15
  find
• 49:16
  it.
• 49:16
  So
• 49:16
  I
• 49:16
  don't
• 49:16
  know.
• 49:17
  I
• 49:17
  love
• 49:17
  your
• 49:17
  story
• 49:18
  about
• 49:18
  going
• 49:18
  to
• 49:19
  the
• 49:19
  library,
• 49:20
  which
• 49:20
  all
• 49:20
  of
• 49:20
  us
• 49:21
  have
• 49:22
  public
• 49:22
  libraries
• 49:22
  that
• 49:23
  we
• 49:23
  can
• 49:23
  access.
• 49:24
  And
• 49:25
  they're
• 49:25
  free.
• 49:26
  And
• 49:26
  they're
• 49:26
  free.
• 49:26
  And
• 49:26
  I'm
• 49:27
  fortunate.
• 49:27
  I
• 49:27
  can
• 49:27
  walk
• 49:28
  to
• 49:28
  it
• 49:28
  in
• 49:28
  five
• 49:28
  or
• 49:29
  seven
• 49:29
  minutes.
• 49:29
  Oh,
• 49:30
  good
• 49:30
  for
• 49:30
  you.
• 49:30
  Yeah.
• 49:31
  So
• 49:31
  it's
• 49:31
  neat.
• 49:32
  You
• 49:32
  talked
• 49:33
  about
• 49:33
  getting
• 49:33
  a
• 49:33
  stack
• 49:34
  of
• 49:34
  books.
• 49:34
  Talk
• 49:34
  to
• 49:35
  us
• 49:35
  a
• 49:35
  little
• 49:35
  bit
• 49:35
  about
• 49:37
  the
• 49:38
  research
• 49:39
  in
• 49:39
  your
• 49:40
  whole.
• 49:40
  In
• 49:40
  the.
• 49:41
  In
• 49:41
  your
• 49:41
  book
• 49:41
  series.
• 49:42
  So
• 49:42
  did
• 49:43
  you
• 49:43
  do
• 49:43
  much
• 49:43
  research
• 49:44
  to
• 49:45
  put
• 49:45
  your
• 49:45
  books
• 49:46
  together?
• 49:48
  Yes,
• 49:48
  a
• 49:48
  hundred
• 49:48
  percent.
• 49:49
  Like
• 49:49
  I
• 49:49
  said,
• 49:50
  the
• 49:50
  best
• 49:50
  advice
• 49:51
  I
• 49:51
  was
• 49:51
  given,
• 49:51
  if
• 49:52
  you
• 49:52
  want
• 49:52
  to
• 49:52
  write,
• 49:52
  you've
• 49:52
  got
• 49:53
  to
• 49:53
  read.
• 49:53
  And
• 49:54
  I
• 49:54
  took
• 49:54
  that
• 49:54
  to
• 49:54
  heart.
• 49:55
  So
• 49:55
  I'm
• 49:55
  not
• 49:55
  kidding.
• 49:56
  I
• 49:56
  went
• 49:56
  to
• 49:56
  every
• 49:57
  library
• 49:57
  in
• 49:57
  the
• 49:58
  area
• 49:58
  and
• 49:59
  read
• 50:00
  all
• 50:00
  their
• 50:00
  picture
• 50:01
  books
• 50:01
  by
• 50:02
  the
• 50:02
  time
• 50:02
  I
• 50:03
  got
• 50:03
  to
• 50:03
  writing
• 50:04
  my
• 50:04
  stories.
• 50:05
  Yeah.
• 50:05
  And
• 50:05
  then
• 50:05
  I
• 50:06
  researched
• 50:06
  each
• 50:07
  animal,
• 50:08
  then
• 50:08
  I
• 50:09
  researched
• 50:09
  the
• 50:09
  industry.
• 50:10
  A
• 50:10
  good
• 50:10
  thing
• 50:11
  for
• 50:11
  your
• 50:11
  listeners
• 50:12
  that
• 50:12
  was
• 50:12
  super
• 50:13
  helpful
• 50:14
  for
• 50:14
  me
• 50:15
  is
• 50:15
  a
• 50:15
  group
• 50:15
  called
• 50:16
  SCBWI.
• 50:19
  Yes.
• 50:21
  Children's
• 50:22
  Book
• 50:22
  Writers
• 50:23
  and
• 50:23
  Illustrators.
• 50:24
  The
• 50:24
  website
• 50:25
  scbwi.org
• 50:27
  they
• 50:27
  have
• 50:28
  a
• 50:28
  conference
• 50:28
  in
• 50:29
  New
• 50:29
  York
• 50:29
  and
• 50:30
  one
• 50:30
  in
• 50:30
  LA
• 50:31
  where
• 50:31
  everybody
• 50:32
  in
• 50:32
  the
• 50:32
  industry,
• 50:33
  from
• 50:33
  top
• 50:34
  agents
• 50:34
  and
• 50:34
  editors
• 50:35
  to
• 50:35
  wannabes
• 50:36
  like
• 50:36
  I
• 50:37
  was
• 50:37
  in
• 50:37
  the
• 50:37
  beginning,
• 50:38
  to
• 50:38
  very
• 50:38
  accomplished
• 50:39
  authors.
• 50:40
  I
• 50:40
  got
• 50:41
  super
• 50:41
  involved
• 50:42
  in
• 50:42
  that
• 50:43
  and
• 50:43
  built
• 50:43
  out
• 50:43
  a
• 50:44
  peer
• 50:44
  group,
• 50:45
  mentors,
• 50:46
  just
• 50:47
  really
• 50:47
  researching
• 50:48
  and
• 50:48
  understanding
• 50:49
  the
• 50:49
  industry
• 50:50
  and
• 50:50
  what
• 50:50
  was
• 50:50
  best
• 50:51
  for
• 50:51
  me
• 50:52
  and
• 50:52
  what
• 50:52
  I
• 50:52
  was
• 50:53
  trying
• 50:53
  to
• 50:53
  create.
• 50:54
  So
• 50:54
  that
• 50:54
  was
• 50:54
  a
• 50:55
  super
• 50:55
  helpful
• 50:56
  resource.
• 50:56
  There's
• 50:57
  even
• 50:57
  a
• 50:57
  society
• 50:58
  of
• 50:58
  children's
• 50:58
  book
• 50:59
  writers
• 50:59
  and
• 50:59
  illustrators.
• 51:01
  I'm
• 51:01
  a
• 51:01
  member.
• 51:01
  I've
• 51:02
  been
• 51:02
  a
• 51:02
  member
• 51:02
  for
• 51:02
  a
• 51:03
  couple
• 51:03
  of
• 51:03
  years
• 51:03
  now.
• 51:04
  And
• 51:05
  I'm
• 51:05
  so
• 51:05
  very
• 51:05
  helpful
• 51:06
  and
• 51:07
  again
• 51:08
  for
• 51:08
  the
• 51:08
  audience.
• 51:09
  Just
• 51:09
  so
• 51:09
  aspiring
• 51:10
  children's
• 51:11
  book
• 51:11
  authors
• 51:11
  know,
• 51:12
  it's
• 51:12
  not
• 51:12
  expensive
• 51:13
  to
• 51:14
  for
• 51:14
  an
• 51:14
  annual
• 51:15
  membership
• 51:16
  and
• 51:16
  there's
• 51:16
  lots
• 51:17
  of
• 51:17
  resources
• 51:17
  and.
• 51:17
  There'S
• 51:18
  a
• 51:18
  lot
• 51:18
  of
• 51:18
  stuff
• 51:18
  online.
• 51:19
  Especially
• 51:20
  since
• 51:20
  COVID
• 51:20
  Those
• 51:21
  big
• 51:21
  conferences
• 51:22
  that
• 51:22
  I
• 51:22
  would
• 51:22
  travel
• 51:23
  to
• 51:23
  are
• 51:23
  now
• 51:23
  online.
• 51:24
  Yes,
• 51:25
  a
• 51:25
  lot
• 51:25
  of
• 51:25
  local
• 51:26
  chapters.
• 51:26
  Austin
• 51:27
  has
• 51:27
  a
• 51:27
  local
• 51:27
  chapter
• 51:28
  that
• 51:28
  meets
• 51:28
  once
• 51:29
  a
• 51:29
  month
• 51:29
  for
• 51:29
  free.
• 51:30
  So
• 51:31
  there's
• 51:31
  critique
• 51:32
  groups.
• 51:32
  That
• 51:33
  would
• 51:33
  be
• 51:33
  something
• 51:33
  else
• 51:34
  in
• 51:34
  my
• 51:34
  research
• 51:35
  that
• 51:35
  I
• 51:35
  would
• 51:35
  offer
• 51:36
  your
• 51:37
  audience
• 51:37
  that
• 51:38
  are
• 51:38
  wanting
• 51:38
  to
• 51:38
  write
• 51:39
  is
• 51:39
  get
• 51:39
  involved
• 51:40
  in
• 51:40
  critique
• 51:41
  groups
• 51:41
  where
• 51:42
  people
• 51:42
  read
• 51:42
  your
• 51:43
  stories
• 51:43
  and
• 51:43
  give
• 51:43
  you
• 51:44
  feedback.
• 51:45
  I
• 51:46
  got
• 51:46
  better
• 51:46
  being
• 51:47
  a
• 51:47
  critiquer
• 51:48
  and
• 51:48
  being
• 51:49
  critiqued
• 51:50
  at
• 51:50
  writing.
• 51:51
  So
• 51:51
  it
• 51:51
  was
• 51:51
  a
• 51:52
  huge
• 51:52
  part
• 51:53
  of
• 51:53
  the
• 51:53
  research
• 51:53
  for
• 51:53
  me.
• 51:55
  I
• 51:55
  want
• 51:55
  to
• 51:56
  pivot
• 51:56
  to
• 51:56
  success.
• 51:58
  We
• 51:58
  talked
• 51:58
  about
• 51:58
  your
• 51:59
  business
• 51:59
  book
• 51:59
  plan,
• 52:00
  but
• 52:00
  I
• 52:00
  want
• 52:00
  to
• 52:00
  delve
• 52:00
  into
• 52:01
  your
• 52:01
  original
• 52:02
  goals
• 52:03
  around
• 52:03
  success.
• 52:04
  And
• 52:04
  now
• 52:04
  that
• 52:05
  you've
• 52:05
  been
• 52:05
  at
• 52:05
  it
• 52:05
  for
• 52:06
  eight
• 52:06
  years,
• 52:07
  describe,
• 52:08
  take
• 52:08
  us
• 52:08
  back
• 52:09
  to
• 52:09
  what
• 52:09
  you
• 52:09
  had
• 52:09
  in
• 52:09
  mind
• 52:10
  for
• 52:11
  your
• 52:11
  first
• 52:11
  book.
• 52:11
  And
• 52:12
  now
• 52:12
  that
• 52:12
  you've
• 52:12
  got
• 52:12
  your
• 52:13
  fourth
• 52:13
  book
• 52:13
  into
• 52:13
  the
• 52:14
  marketplace,
• 52:15
  talk
• 52:15
  about
• 52:16
  success,
• 52:16
  how
• 52:17
  you
• 52:17
  see
• 52:17
  it
• 52:17
  then
• 52:18
  and
• 52:18
  how
• 52:18
  you
• 52:18
  see
• 52:19
  it
• 52:19
  now.
• 52:20
  Success
• 52:21
  for
• 52:21
  me,
• 52:21
  bottom
• 52:22
  line
• 52:22
  is
• 52:23
  as
• 52:23
  many
• 52:23
  books
• 52:24
  in
• 52:24
  kids
• 52:24
  hands
• 52:24
  as
• 52:25
  possible.
• 52:25
  That's
• 52:26
  for
• 52:26
  me
• 52:26
  what
• 52:26
  it's
• 52:27
  about.
• 52:29
  Was
• 52:29
  that
• 52:29
  your
• 52:29
  inspiration
• 52:30
  when
• 52:31
  you
• 52:31
  wrote
• 52:31
  your
• 52:31
  first
• 52:31
  book?
• 52:32
  No,
• 52:33
  I
• 52:33
  don't
• 52:33
  even
• 52:33
  think.
• 52:34
  I
• 52:34
  just
• 52:34
  was
• 52:34
  excited.
• 52:35
  I
• 52:35
  figured
• 52:35
  out
• 52:36
  how
• 52:36
  to
• 52:36
  finish
• 52:37
  it.
• 52:37
  Like
• 52:37
  I
• 52:38
  literally,
• 52:39
  I
• 52:39
  didn't
• 52:40
  really
• 52:40
  have
• 52:40
  a
• 52:40
  plan.
• 52:41
  I
• 52:41
  was
• 52:41
  just
• 52:41
  excited
• 52:42
  and
• 52:43
  green
• 52:43
  and
• 52:44
  happy
• 52:44
  and
• 52:45
  had
• 52:45
  no
• 52:46
  plan.
• 52:46
  I
• 52:46
  would
• 52:47
  say
• 52:47
  that's
• 52:48
  the
• 52:48
  answer
• 52:48
  I
• 52:48
  get
• 52:49
  from
• 52:49
  when
• 52:49
  I
• 52:49
  drill
• 52:50
  it
• 52:50
  down
• 52:50
  and
• 52:50
  I
• 52:51
  talk
• 52:51
  to
• 52:51
  each
• 52:52
  children's
• 52:52
  book
• 52:53
  author
• 52:53
  about
• 52:53
  their
• 52:53
  first
• 52:54
  book,
• 52:54
  that
• 52:55
  tends
• 52:55
  to
• 52:55
  be
• 52:55
  the
• 52:56
  answer
• 52:56
  that
• 52:56
  they
• 52:57
  actually
• 52:57
  were
• 52:57
  able
• 52:58
  to
• 52:58
  hold
• 52:59
  something
• 53:00
  that
• 53:00
  they
• 53:00
  had
• 53:00
  dreamed
• 53:01
  about
• 53:02
  turning
• 53:02
  into
• 53:03
  reality.
• 53:04
  Dream
• 53:04
  to
• 53:04
  reality.
• 53:05
  That
• 53:06
  was
• 53:06
  so
• 53:06
  important
• 53:06
  to
• 53:07
  them.
• 53:07
  Yeah,
• 53:08
  like
• 53:08
  you
• 53:08
  really
• 53:08
  couldn't
• 53:09
  come
• 53:09
  up
• 53:09
  with
• 53:09
  plan
• 53:10
  B
• 53:10
  until
• 53:11
  you
• 53:11
  finished
• 53:12
  and
• 53:12
  saw
• 53:13
  for
• 53:13
  me
• 53:14
  I
• 53:14
  had
• 53:14
  to
• 53:14
  hold
• 53:15
  it
• 53:15
  before
• 53:15
  I
• 53:16
  could
• 53:16
  run
• 53:16
  the
• 53:17
  next
• 53:17
  race.
• 53:17
  And
• 53:18
  now
• 53:18
  you've
• 53:18
  got
• 53:19
  your
• 53:19
  fourth
• 53:19
  book
• 53:20
  out.
• 53:20
  I
• 53:21
  know
• 53:21
  it's
• 53:21
  more,
• 53:21
  it's
• 53:22
  more
• 53:22
  than
• 53:22
  just
• 53:22
  saying
• 53:23
  ta
• 53:24
  da.
• 53:24
  I've
• 53:25
  got
• 53:25
  my
• 53:25
  book
• 53:25
  done.
• 53:26
  Tell
• 53:26
  us
• 53:27
  about
• 53:27
  the
• 53:27
  success
• 53:28
  for
• 53:28
  you
• 53:29
  now.
• 53:29
  Yeah,
• 53:30
  success
• 53:30
  for
• 53:30
  me
• 53:31
  now
• 53:31
  is
• 53:31
  really
• 53:33
  finding
• 53:33
  ways
• 53:33
  to
• 53:34
  get
• 53:34
  the
• 53:34
  books
• 53:34
  in
• 53:34
  kids
• 53:35
  hands
• 53:35
  and
• 53:35
  meet
• 53:36
  them
• 53:36
  eye
• 53:36
  to
• 53:36
  eye
• 53:37
  is
• 53:37
  really
• 53:37
  what
• 53:38
  I
• 53:38
  love.
• 53:38
  Because
• 53:39
  you
• 53:40
  can
• 53:40
  read
• 53:40
  the
• 53:40
  stories
• 53:41
  and
• 53:41
  hear
• 53:41
  one
• 53:42
  thing.
• 53:42
  When
• 53:42
  I
• 53:42
  share
• 53:43
  the
• 53:43
  stories
• 53:44
  I
• 53:44
  really
• 53:44
  see
• 53:45
  it
• 53:45
  land.
• 53:46
  So
• 53:46
  that's
• 53:47
  getting
• 53:47
  opportunities
• 53:48
  to.
• 53:49
  To
• 53:49
  share
• 53:50
  the
• 53:50
  stories.
• 53:50
  One
• 53:51
  on
• 53:51
  Face
• 53:51
  to
• 53:51
  Face
• 53:52
  with
• 53:52
  Kids
• 53:52
  is
• 53:52
  my
• 53:53
  favorite.
• 53:53
  Do
• 53:53
  you
• 53:53
  do
• 53:54
  quite
• 53:54
  a
• 53:54
  bit
• 53:54
  of
• 53:54
  traveling
• 53:55
  to.
• 53:56
  To
• 53:56
  reach
• 53:56
  more
• 53:57
  children?
• 53:57
  Yes,
• 53:57
  during
• 53:58
  COVID
• 53:58
  I
• 53:58
  got
• 53:59
  really
• 53:59
  bad
• 53:59
  pre
• 54:00
  Covid
• 54:01
  and
• 54:01
  now
• 54:02
  until
• 54:03
  I
• 54:03
  did
• 54:03
  great
• 54:04
  during
• 54:05
  COVID
• 54:05
  and
• 54:06
  really
• 54:06
  I
• 54:06
  got
• 54:06
  hunkered
• 54:07
  down
• 54:07
  writing.
• 54:08
  I
• 54:08
  haven't
• 54:08
  done
• 54:09
  so
• 54:09
  great.
• 54:10
  And
• 54:10
  now
• 54:10
  I
• 54:11
  did
• 54:11
  a
• 54:11
  bunch
• 54:11
  of
• 54:11
  school
• 54:12
  visits
• 54:12
  actually
• 54:12
  last
• 54:13
  year,
• 54:14
  but
• 54:14
  there
• 54:14
  was
• 54:14
  two
• 54:15
  to
• 54:15
  three
• 54:15
  year
• 54:15
  window
• 54:16
  where
• 54:16
  I
• 54:16
  didn't
• 54:17
  do
• 54:17
  bookstores
• 54:18
  or
• 54:18
  libraries
• 54:19
  or
• 54:19
  school
• 54:19
  visits.
• 54:20
  And
• 54:20
  I'm
• 54:20
  now
• 54:22
  starting
• 54:22
  last
• 54:22
  year
• 54:22
  really
• 54:23
  getting
• 54:23
  back
• 54:23
  into
• 54:23
  it.
• 54:24
  And
• 54:24
  what
• 54:24
  do
• 54:24
  you
• 54:24
  enjoy
• 54:25
  most
• 54:25
  reading
• 54:26
  at
• 54:26
  schools,
• 54:27
  libraries,
• 54:28
  bookstores.
• 54:29
  What's
• 54:29
  your
• 54:29
  favorite?
• 54:29
  All
• 54:30
  of
• 54:30
  it.
• 54:30
  All
• 54:30
  of
• 54:30
  it?
• 54:31
  Yeah.
• 54:31
  Anything
• 54:32
  where
• 54:32
  I
• 54:33
  can
• 54:33
  really
• 54:34
  look
• 54:34
  a
• 54:34
  child
• 54:35
  and
• 54:36
  tell
• 54:36
  them
• 54:36
  they're
• 54:37
  extraordinary.
• 54:38
  That's
• 54:39
  like
• 54:40
  the
• 54:40
  best
• 54:40
  thing
• 54:41
  in
• 54:41
  the
• 54:41
  world
• 54:41
  to
• 54:41
  me.
• 54:42
  The
• 54:42
  role
• 54:43
  of
• 54:43
  writing.
• 54:44
  When
• 54:44
  you
• 54:44
  first
• 54:45
  started,
• 54:46
  you
• 54:46
  didn't
• 54:47
  even
• 54:47
  think
• 54:47
  that
• 54:47
  you
• 54:47
  would
• 54:48
  ever
• 54:48
  be
• 54:48
  a
• 54:48
  children's
• 54:49
  book
• 54:49
  author.
• 54:51
  Now
• 54:51
  you're
• 54:52
  a
• 54:52
  children's
• 54:52
  book
• 54:53
  author
• 54:53
  with
• 54:54
  four
• 54:54
  books
• 54:54
  and
• 54:54
  a
• 54:55
  book
• 54:55
  series.
• 54:56
  Talk
• 54:56
  to
• 54:56
  us
• 54:57
  about
• 54:57
  in
• 54:57
  the
• 54:58
  grand
• 54:58
  scheme
• 54:58
  of
• 54:59
  things
• 54:59
  how
• 55:00
  that's
• 55:00
  changed
• 55:00
  your
• 55:01
  life.
• 55:01
  What's
• 55:02
  the
• 55:02
  role
• 55:02
  of
• 55:03
  being
• 55:03
  a
• 55:03
  children's
• 55:04
  book
• 55:04
  author
• 55:04
  now
• 55:05
  in
• 55:05
  your
• 55:05
  life?
• 55:07
  It's
• 55:08
  my
• 55:08
  full
• 55:08
  time
• 55:09
  gig.
• 55:09
  My
• 55:10
  life
• 55:10
  is
• 55:10
  full.
• 55:11
  We
• 55:11
  have
• 55:11
  a
• 55:11
  very
• 55:12
  full
• 55:12
  family
• 55:13
  and
• 55:13
  my
• 55:14
  kids
• 55:14
  dream
• 55:14
  very
• 55:14
  big.
• 55:15
  They're
• 55:15
  in
• 55:15
  their
• 55:16
  20s
• 55:16
  now
• 55:16
  and
• 55:17
  so
• 55:17
  I'm
• 55:17
  a
• 55:18
  full
• 55:19
  blown
• 55:19
  in
• 55:20
  their
• 55:20
  life.
• 55:21
  So
• 55:21
  that
• 55:21
  takes
• 55:21
  a
• 55:22
  lot
• 55:22
  of
• 55:22
  time
• 55:22
  believe
• 55:23
  in
• 55:23
  their
• 55:23
  passions
• 55:24
  and
• 55:24
  their
• 55:24
  purpose.
• 55:25
  So
• 55:26
  it's
• 55:26
  kind
• 55:26
  of
• 55:27
  everything.
• 55:27
  It's
• 55:28
  everything
• 55:28
  in
• 55:28
  my
• 55:28
  life
• 55:29
  because
• 55:29
  what
• 55:29
  the
• 55:29
  messages
• 55:30
  have
• 55:30
  to
• 55:30
  say
• 55:31
  is
• 55:31
  who
• 55:31
  I
• 55:31
  am.
• 55:32
  It's
• 55:32
  what
• 55:32
  I
• 55:33
  want
• 55:33
  to
• 55:33
  leave
• 55:33
  the
• 55:34
  world
• 55:34
  with.
• 55:35
  It's
• 55:35
  who
• 55:35
  my
• 55:36
  kids
• 55:36
  are.
• 55:36
  So
• 55:38
  it's
• 55:38
  my
• 55:38
  career
• 55:39
  and
• 55:39
  who
• 55:39
  I
• 55:39
  am
• 55:40
  are
• 55:40
  all
• 55:40
  one
• 55:40
  in
• 55:40
  the
• 55:41
  same.
• 55:41
  Okay.
• 55:42
  The
• 55:42
  reason
• 55:42
  I
• 55:42
  always
• 55:42
  ask
• 55:43
  that
• 55:43
  is
• 55:43
  I
• 55:44
  know
• 55:44
  some
• 55:45
  of
• 55:45
  the
• 55:45
  guests
• 55:45
  I've
• 55:45
  had
• 55:46
  on
• 55:46
  are
• 55:46
  young
• 55:47
  mothers,
• 55:48
  a
• 55:48
  lot
• 55:48
  of
• 55:48
  them
• 55:48
  with
• 55:49
  teaching
• 55:49
  backgrounds.
• 55:50
  And
• 55:51
  then
• 55:51
  they
• 55:51
  start
• 55:51
  their
• 55:52
  family.
• 55:52
  And
• 55:52
  so
• 55:53
  that
• 55:53
  adds
• 55:54
  another
• 55:55
  level
• 55:55
  to
• 55:56
  that.
• 55:57
  And
• 55:57
  I've
• 55:57
  had,
• 55:58
  I
• 55:58
  had
• 55:58
  one
• 55:58
  guest
• 55:59
  in
• 55:59
  particular.
• 56:00
  She
• 56:00
  didn't
• 56:00
  even
• 56:01
  have
• 56:01
  children's
• 56:01
  book
• 56:02
  author
• 56:02
  in
• 56:02
  her
• 56:03
  title
• 56:03
  on
• 56:04
  Instagram
• 56:04
  or
• 56:04
  Facebook.
• 56:05
  And
• 56:05
  I
• 56:06
  asked
• 56:06
  her
• 56:06
  about
• 56:07
  that
• 56:08
  and
• 56:09
  it
• 56:09
  was
• 56:10
  an
• 56:10
  aha
• 56:10
  moment
• 56:11
  for
• 56:11
  her
• 56:11
  because
• 56:12
  15
• 56:12
  minutes
• 56:13
  after
• 56:13
  getting
• 56:14
  off
• 56:14
  the
• 56:14
  call,
• 56:15
  the
• 56:16
  interview
• 56:16
  updated
• 56:17
  it.
• 56:17
  She
• 56:17
  did,
• 56:18
  she
• 56:18
  did.
• 56:19
  And
• 56:19
  it's
• 56:19
  that
• 56:20
  realization,
• 56:20
  I
• 56:21
  think
• 56:21
  that's
• 56:22
  the
• 56:22
  whole
• 56:22
  thing
• 56:23
  like
• 56:23
  we've
• 56:23
  talked
• 56:24
  about.
• 56:24
  You
• 56:24
  get
• 56:25
  the
• 56:25
  finished
• 56:25
  product
• 56:26
  in
• 56:26
  your.
• 56:26
  Hand
• 56:28
  and
• 56:28
  now
• 56:28
  what?
• 56:29
  Yeah,
• 56:29
  now
• 56:29
  what?
• 56:30
  And
• 56:30
  then
• 56:30
  you
• 56:30
  have
• 56:30
  to
• 56:31
  reflect.
• 56:31
  You
• 56:31
  know
• 56:31
  what
• 56:32
  I'M
• 56:32
  actually
• 56:32
  a
• 56:33
  published
• 56:33
  children's
• 56:33
  book
• 56:34
  author
• 56:35
  and
• 56:36
  getting
• 56:36
  your
• 56:36
  head
• 56:37
  wrapped
• 56:37
  around
• 56:37
  that.
• 56:38
  But
• 56:38
  now
• 56:38
  that
• 56:38
  you've
• 56:39
  had
• 56:39
  eight
• 56:39
  years
• 56:40
  of
• 56:40
  wrapping
• 56:40
  your
• 56:41
  head
• 56:41
  around
• 56:41
  that,
• 56:41
  you
• 56:42
  are
• 56:42
  a
• 56:42
  children's
• 56:43
  book
• 56:43
  author.
• 56:45
  Nice.
• 56:45
  Yes.
• 56:46
  Yeah,
• 56:47
  it's
• 56:47
  fun.
• 56:49
  So,
• 56:49
  advice
• 56:49
  for
• 56:49
  aspiring
• 56:50
  authors.
• 56:52
  And
• 56:52
  you've
• 56:52
  given
• 56:53
  some
• 56:53
  great
• 56:53
  advice
• 56:54
  already.
• 56:54
  There's
• 56:54
  so
• 56:55
  many
• 56:55
  little
• 56:55
  nuggets
• 56:56
  we've
• 56:56
  had.
• 56:56
  But
• 56:57
  is
• 56:57
  there
• 56:58
  other
• 56:58
  advice
• 56:59
  that
• 56:59
  you
• 56:59
  would
• 56:59
  give
• 57:00
  someone
• 57:00
  starting
• 57:01
  out
• 57:01
  and
• 57:01
  thinking,
• 57:02
  oh,
• 57:03
  I
• 57:03
  don't
• 57:03
  know
• 57:03
  if
• 57:03
  I
• 57:03
  can
• 57:03
  do
• 57:04
  this.
• 57:04
  We've
• 57:05
  touched
• 57:05
  on
• 57:05
  quick.
• 57:06
  Bullseye
• 57:06
  is
• 57:07
  read,
• 57:08
  start
• 57:08
  writing.
• 57:09
  Getting
• 57:09
  in
• 57:10
  critique
• 57:10
  groups
• 57:11
  where
• 57:11
  you
• 57:11
  critique
• 57:12
  others
• 57:13
  because
• 57:13
  I
• 57:13
  learned
• 57:13
  from
• 57:14
  both
• 57:14
  and
• 57:14
  being
• 57:15
  critiqued.
• 57:15
  Scbwi,
• 57:17
  going
• 57:18
  to
• 57:18
  writing
• 57:18
  workshops
• 57:19
  and
• 57:20
  asking
• 57:20
  for
• 57:20
  help
• 57:21
  and
• 57:21
  taking
• 57:21
  what
• 57:22
  you
• 57:22
  like
• 57:22
  and
• 57:22
  leaving
• 57:23
  the
• 57:23
  rest
• 57:23
  because
• 57:24
  really
• 57:24
  you're
• 57:25
  the
• 57:25
  filter.
• 57:26
  Everybody's
• 57:26
  going
• 57:27
  to
• 57:27
  have
• 57:27
  an
• 57:27
  opinion.
• 57:27
  So
• 57:28
  it
• 57:28
  would
• 57:28
  really
• 57:28
  confuse
• 57:29
  me
• 57:29
  because
• 57:30
  I
• 57:30
  like
• 57:30
  their
• 57:30
  opinion,
• 57:31
  but
• 57:31
  it
• 57:31
  wasn't
• 57:32
  necessarily
• 57:32
  true
• 57:33
  for
• 57:33
  the
• 57:33
  story
• 57:34
  I
• 57:34
  was
• 57:34
  writing.
• 57:35
  So
• 57:35
  then
• 57:35
  I
• 57:36
  go
• 57:36
  down
• 57:36
  a
• 57:36
  rabbit
• 57:37
  trail
• 57:37
  because
• 57:37
  of
• 57:38
  their
• 57:38
  critique
• 57:39
  that
• 57:39
  didn't
• 57:39
  serve
• 57:40
  the
• 57:40
  story,
• 57:41
  which
• 57:41
  ultimately
• 57:42
  always
• 57:42
  helped
• 57:42
  me
• 57:43
  become
• 57:43
  a
• 57:43
  better
• 57:44
  writer.
• 57:44
  But
• 57:45
  know
• 57:45
  you're
• 57:46
  your
• 57:46
  best
• 57:46
  filter,
• 57:47
  so
• 57:47
  take
• 57:48
  it.
• 57:49
  If
• 57:49
  it's
• 57:49
  good
• 57:49
  and
• 57:49
  helpful,
• 57:50
  really
• 57:50
  integrate
• 57:51
  it.
• 57:51
  Otherwise,
• 57:52
  just
• 57:52
  say
• 57:52
  thank
• 57:52
  you
• 57:53
  and
• 57:53
  let
• 57:53
  it
• 57:53
  pass
• 57:53
  on
• 57:54
  by.
• 57:54
  Okay.
• 57:55
  And
• 57:55
  I
• 57:55
  always
• 57:56
  tell
• 57:57
  people
• 57:57
  to
• 57:57
  make
• 57:58
  sure
• 57:58
  that
• 57:59
  you're
• 58:00
  writing
• 58:00
  children's
• 58:01
  books.
• 58:01
  So
• 58:02
  you
• 58:02
  should
• 58:03
  hang
• 58:03
  out
• 58:03
  with
• 58:03
  children.
• 58:04
  Yes.
• 58:05
  That's
• 58:05
  a
• 58:05
  very
• 58:05
  good
• 58:05
  input.
• 58:06
  Yeah.
• 58:06
  So
• 58:06
  I'm
• 58:07
  thinking
• 58:07
  about
• 58:07
  what
• 58:07
  you
• 58:07
  said
• 58:08
  earlier.
• 58:08
  Your
• 58:09
  children
• 58:09
  are
• 58:09
  in
• 58:09
  their
• 58:10
  20s
• 58:10
  now,
• 58:10
  but
• 58:11
  if
• 58:11
  we
• 58:11
  go
• 58:11
  back
• 58:12
  eight
• 58:12
  years,
• 58:13
  some
• 58:13
  of
• 58:13
  them
• 58:13
  were
• 58:13
  probably
• 58:14
  either
• 58:15
  laid
• 58:16
  out
• 58:16
  adolescence
• 58:17
  or
• 58:18
  early.
• 58:18
  Oh.
• 58:18
  When
• 58:19
  I
• 58:19
  started
• 58:19
  the
• 58:19
  library
• 58:20
  runs,
• 58:21
  they
• 58:21
  were
• 58:21
  preschool
• 58:22
  and
• 58:22
  kindergarten.
• 58:23
  Oh,
• 58:24
  nice.
• 58:24
  Okay.
• 58:25
  So
• 58:25
  from
• 58:25
  the
• 58:25
  symphony
• 58:26
  to
• 58:26
  a
• 58:26
  book
• 58:27
  was
• 58:27
  a
• 58:27
  really
• 58:27
  long
• 58:28
  time
• 58:28
  because
• 58:28
  life
• 58:29
  I
• 58:29
  had
• 58:29
  my
• 58:30
  parents,
• 58:30
  I
• 58:30
  adopted
• 58:31
  kids,
• 58:31
  blah,
• 58:31
  blah,
• 58:31
  blah,
• 58:31
  blah.
• 58:32
  A
• 58:32
  lot
• 58:32
  of
• 58:32
  stuff
• 58:32
  got
• 58:33
  way.
• 58:33
  Yes.
• 58:34
  From
• 58:34
  the
• 58:35
  whack
• 58:35
  on
• 58:35
  the
• 58:35
  head
• 58:35
  to
• 58:36
  an
• 58:36
  actual
• 58:36
  book
• 58:36
  was
• 58:37
  a
• 58:37
  probably
• 58:37
  a
• 58:38
  ten
• 58:38
  year
• 58:38
  window.
• 58:39
  Oh,
• 58:41
  you
• 58:41
  were
• 58:42
  taking
• 58:43
  your
• 58:44
  potential
• 58:44
  audience
• 58:45
  with
• 58:45
  you
• 58:45
  to
• 58:46
  the
• 58:46
  library.
• 58:47
  Oh,
• 58:48
  for
• 58:48
  sure.
• 58:49
  They
• 58:49
  were
• 58:49
  the
• 58:49
  ones
• 58:50
  that.
• 58:50
  Yes.
• 58:51
  No,
• 58:51
  this
• 58:51
  is
• 58:51
  terrible.
• 58:52
  This
• 58:52
  is
• 58:52
  great.
• 58:53
  Let's
• 58:53
  do
• 58:53
  animals.
• 58:54
  It
• 58:54
  was
• 58:54
  100%
• 58:56
  size
• 58:56
  of
• 58:57
  the
• 58:57
  youth
• 58:57
  telling
• 58:58
  me
• 58:58
  what
• 58:58
  to
• 58:58
  do.
• 58:59
  That's
• 58:59
  a
• 58:59
  great
• 58:59
  suggestion
• 59:00
  to
• 59:00
  go
• 59:01
  to
• 59:01
  the
• 59:01
  library.
• 59:01
  But
• 59:02
  I
• 59:02
  love
• 59:03
  that
• 59:03
  we
• 59:03
  were
• 59:03
  able
• 59:03
  to
• 59:03
  dig
• 59:04
  down
• 59:04
  a
• 59:04
  little
• 59:04
  deeper
• 59:05
  and
• 59:05
  find
• 59:05
  out
• 59:06
  that
• 59:06
  you
• 59:06
  actually
• 59:06
  took
• 59:07
  part
• 59:07
  of
• 59:07
  the
• 59:08
  audience
• 59:08
  that
• 59:08
  you
• 59:09
  wanted
• 59:09
  to
• 59:09
  speak
• 59:09
  to
• 59:10
  with
• 59:10
  you.
• 59:11
  Oh,
• 59:12
  and
• 59:12
  sit
• 59:12
  with
• 59:12
  them
• 59:13
  for
• 59:13
  hours
• 59:13
  on
• 59:13
  the
• 59:14
  couch
• 59:14
  with
• 59:14
  these
• 59:15
  stacks
• 59:15
  of
• 59:15
  books.
• 59:16
  What
• 59:16
  did
• 59:16
  you
• 59:16
  like?
• 59:16
  What
• 59:17
  didn't
• 59:17
  you
• 59:17
  like?
• 59:18
  Terrific
• 59:19
  encouragement
• 59:20
  for
• 59:20
  readers.
• 59:21
  I
• 59:21
  tend
• 59:21
  to
• 59:22
  send
• 59:22
  save
• 59:23
  this
• 59:23
  towards
• 59:23
  the
• 59:23
  last
• 59:24
  but
• 59:24
  the
• 59:24
  most
• 59:24
  important
• 59:25
  person
• 59:26
  and
• 59:27
  you
• 59:27
  and
• 59:27
  you've
• 59:27
  talked
• 59:28
  about
• 59:28
  that
• 59:29
  getting
• 59:29
  in
• 59:29
  front
• 59:29
  of
• 59:30
  as
• 59:30
  many
• 59:30
  children
• 59:30
  as
• 59:30
  you
• 59:31
  can.
• 59:31
  So
• 59:31
  encouragement
• 59:32
  for
• 59:33
  readers.
• 59:33
  Why
• 59:33
  should
• 59:34
  children's
• 59:35
  book
• 59:35
  readers
• 59:36
  purchase
• 59:36
  your
• 59:36
  books?
• 59:38
  Because
• 59:38
  there's
• 59:38
  nothing
• 59:39
  better
• 59:39
  than
• 59:40
  figuring
• 59:40
  out
• 59:41
  how
• 59:41
  to
• 59:41
  live
• 59:41
  your
• 59:41
  best
• 59:42
  life.
• 59:43
  And
• 59:43
  for
• 59:43
  me,
• 59:43
  these
• 59:44
  stories
• 59:44
  have
• 59:44
  taught
• 59:45
  me
• 59:45
  how
• 59:45
  as
• 59:46
  an
• 59:46
  adult
• 59:47
  continuing
• 59:48
  me
• 59:48
  in
• 59:48
  the
• 59:49
  cycle
• 59:49
  of
• 59:49
  fighting
• 59:50
  for
• 59:50
  my
• 59:50
  best
• 59:50
  life
• 59:51
  every
• 59:51
  day.
• 59:52
  And
• 59:53
  I
• 59:53
  couldn't
• 59:53
  think
• 59:53
  of
• 59:53
  something
• 59:55
  better
• 59:55
  for
• 59:55
  each
• 59:56
  of
• 59:56
  us
• 59:56
  to
• 59:56
  challenge
• 59:57
  each
• 59:57
  other
• 59:57
  with.
• 59:57
  Whether
• 59:58
  it's
• 59:58
  my
• 59:58
  stories
• 59:59
  or
• 59:59
  whatever
• 59:59
  stories
• 1:00:00
  work
• 1:00:00
  for
• 1:00:00
  that
• 1:00:01
  mine
• 1:00:01
  were
• 1:00:02
  written
• 1:00:02
  from
• 1:00:02
  that
• 1:00:02
  standpoint
• 1:00:03
  and
• 1:00:03
  I
• 1:00:04
  hope
• 1:00:04
  they
• 1:00:04
  give
• 1:00:05
  kids
• 1:00:05
  that.
• 1:00:05
  But
• 1:00:07
  that's
• 1:00:07
  what
• 1:00:07
  my
• 1:00:07
  hope
• 1:00:08
  is
• 1:00:08
  for
• 1:00:08
  the
• 1:00:08
  readers,
• 1:00:08
  that
• 1:00:09
  they
• 1:00:09
  wake
• 1:00:09
  up
• 1:00:09
  every
• 1:00:09
  day
• 1:00:10
  excited
• 1:00:10
  to
• 1:00:11
  go
• 1:00:11
  for
• 1:00:11
  their
• 1:00:11
  rest
• 1:00:11
  life.
• 1:00:12
  Okay.
• 1:00:12
  Like
• 1:00:12
  we
• 1:00:13
  were
• 1:00:13
  talking
• 1:00:13
  earlier,
• 1:00:13
  I
• 1:00:14
  love
• 1:00:14
  how
• 1:00:14
  you
• 1:00:14
  built
• 1:00:15
  some
• 1:00:15
  teasers
• 1:00:16
  into
• 1:00:16
  your
• 1:00:16
  books
• 1:00:17
  so
• 1:00:18
  that
• 1:00:18
  readers
• 1:00:18
  can
• 1:00:19
  find
• 1:00:19
  something
• 1:00:19
  new
• 1:00:21
  each
• 1:00:21
  time
• 1:00:21
  they
• 1:00:21
  read
• 1:00:22
  the
• 1:00:22
  book.
• 1:00:22
  So.
• 1:00:23
  And
• 1:00:23
  then
• 1:00:23
  go
• 1:00:23
  to
• 1:00:23
  the
• 1:00:24
  website.
• 1:00:24
  There's
• 1:00:25
  a
• 1:00:25
  whole
• 1:00:25
  blog
• 1:00:26
  post
• 1:00:26
  and
• 1:00:27
  one
• 1:00:27
  minute
• 1:00:27
  videos
• 1:00:28
  on
• 1:00:28
  my
• 1:00:28
  YouTube
• 1:00:29
  that
• 1:00:29
  kind
• 1:00:29
  of
• 1:00:29
  take
• 1:00:29
  you
• 1:00:30
  through
• 1:00:30
  all
• 1:00:31
  the
• 1:00:31
  resources
• 1:00:32
  on
• 1:00:32
  the
• 1:00:32
  website.
• 1:00:33
  How
• 1:00:33
  to
• 1:00:33
  become
• 1:00:34
  the
• 1:00:34
  hero
• 1:00:34
  of
• 1:00:34
  your
• 1:00:34
  own
• 1:00:35
  story,
• 1:00:35
  how
• 1:00:35
  to
• 1:00:35
  control
• 1:00:36
  your
• 1:00:36
  moods
• 1:00:36
  like
• 1:00:37
  baby
• 1:00:37
  baboon
• 1:00:38
  and
• 1:00:38
  all
• 1:00:38
  the
• 1:00:39
  fun.
• 1:00:39
  And
• 1:00:40
  there's
• 1:00:40
  dung
• 1:00:40
  beetles,
• 1:00:41
  doo
• 1:00:41
  doo
• 1:00:41
  game.
• 1:00:41
  There's
• 1:00:42
  tons
• 1:00:42
  of
• 1:00:42
  stuff
• 1:00:43
  building
• 1:00:43
  out
• 1:00:43
  dream
• 1:00:44
  boards
• 1:00:44
  and
• 1:00:45
  how
• 1:00:46
  to
• 1:00:46
  write
• 1:00:46
  your
• 1:00:46
  own
• 1:00:46
  animal
• 1:00:47
  story.
• 1:00:47
  So
• 1:00:48
  terrific.
• 1:00:49
  I
• 1:00:49
  love
• 1:00:49
  that.
• 1:00:51
  And
• 1:00:51
  final
• 1:00:52
  thoughts.
• 1:00:52
  Is
• 1:00:52
  there
• 1:00:53
  something
• 1:00:53
  you
• 1:00:53
  said?
• 1:00:53
  You
• 1:00:53
  know
• 1:00:54
  what,
• 1:00:54
  Rick,
• 1:00:55
  I
• 1:00:55
  wish
• 1:00:55
  you
• 1:00:55
  would
• 1:00:56
  have
• 1:00:56
  asked
• 1:00:56
  me
• 1:00:56
  this
• 1:00:57
  one
• 1:00:58
  question.
• 1:00:59
  Is
• 1:00:59
  there
• 1:00:59
  a
• 1:00:59
  question
• 1:01:00
  you
• 1:01:00
  thought,
• 1:01:01
  oh,
• 1:01:02
  I
• 1:01:02
  wish
• 1:01:02
  you
• 1:01:02
  would
• 1:01:02
  have
• 1:01:03
  asked
• 1:01:03
  me
• 1:01:03
  that.
• 1:01:04
  Sure
• 1:01:05
  it's
• 1:01:05
  a
• 1:01:05
  question.
• 1:01:05
  But
• 1:01:06
  maybe
• 1:01:06
  an
• 1:01:06
  answer
• 1:01:07
  to
• 1:01:07
  a
• 1:01:08
  question
• 1:01:08
  you
• 1:01:08
  gave
• 1:01:08
  me
• 1:01:09
  earlier
• 1:01:09
  is
• 1:01:10
  if
• 1:01:10
  it
• 1:01:10
  taps
• 1:01:11
  you
• 1:01:11
  on
• 1:01:11
  the
• 1:01:11
  shoulder,
• 1:01:12
  don't
• 1:01:12
  quit
• 1:01:13
  because
• 1:01:14
  like
• 1:01:14
  I
• 1:01:14
  said,
• 1:01:14
  it
• 1:01:14
  took
• 1:01:15
  me
• 1:01:15
  probably
• 1:01:15
  from
• 1:01:16
  the
• 1:01:16
  symphony
• 1:01:16
  to
• 1:01:16
  an
• 1:01:17
  actual
• 1:01:17
  book
• 1:01:17
  10
• 1:01:17
  years.
• 1:01:18
  Don't
• 1:01:18
  judge
• 1:01:19
  it,
• 1:01:19
  don't
• 1:01:19
  worry
• 1:01:20
  about
• 1:01:20
  it.
• 1:01:20
  Just
• 1:01:20
  keep
• 1:01:21
  doing
• 1:01:21
  another
• 1:01:22
  next
• 1:01:22
  thing
• 1:01:22
  in
• 1:01:22
  front
• 1:01:23
  of
• 1:01:23
  you
• 1:01:23
  that.
• 1:01:24
  Yeah.
• 1:01:24
  Because
• 1:01:24
  it
• 1:01:25
  took
• 1:01:25
  the
• 1:01:25
  tapping
• 1:01:26
  of
• 1:01:26
  my
• 1:01:26
  oldest
• 1:01:26
  granddaughter
• 1:01:28
  on
• 1:01:28
  my
• 1:01:28
  shoulder
• 1:01:29
  to
• 1:01:30
  motivate
• 1:01:30
  me.
• 1:01:31
  Yeah.
• 1:01:32
  Absolutely.
• 1:01:33
  So
• 1:01:33
  incredible.
• 1:01:34
  Yeah.
• 1:01:34
  So
• 1:01:34
  I
• 1:01:34
  would
• 1:01:34
  say
• 1:01:35
  just
• 1:01:35
  keep
• 1:01:35
  honoring
• 1:01:36
  the
• 1:01:36
  process
• 1:01:37
  and
• 1:01:38
  the
• 1:01:38
  timing
• 1:01:39
  of
• 1:01:39
  it
• 1:01:39
  all
• 1:01:39
  is
• 1:01:39
  really
• 1:01:40
  none
• 1:01:40
  of
• 1:01:40
  your
• 1:01:40
  business.
• 1:01:40
  Just
• 1:01:41
  keep
• 1:01:41
  going
• 1:01:42
  because
• 1:01:42
  it
• 1:01:42
  will
• 1:01:42
  time
• 1:01:42
  out
• 1:01:43
  if
• 1:01:43
  you
• 1:01:43
  don't
• 1:01:43
  stop
• 1:01:44
  for
• 1:01:44
  sure.
• 1:01:45
  Kat,
• 1:01:46
  thank
• 1:01:46
  you
• 1:01:46
  very
• 1:01:46
  much
• 1:01:46
  for
• 1:01:47
  being
• 1:01:47
  a
• 1:01:47
  guest
• 1:01:47
  on
• 1:01:47
  the
• 1:01:48
  Adventures
• 1:01:49
  in
• 1:01:49
  the
• 1:01:49
  Heart
• 1:01:49
  of
• 1:01:49
  Children's
• 1:01:50
  Book
• 1:01:50
  Authors
• 1:01:50
  podcast.
• 1:01:51
  Your
• 1:01:52
  generosity
• 1:01:52
  of
• 1:01:53
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• 1:01:53
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• 1:01:53
  there's
• 1:01:54
  so
• 1:01:54
  many
• 1:01:54
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• 1:01:54
  here
• 1:01:55
  will
• 1:01:55
  benefit
• 1:01:56
  aspiring
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• 1:01:57
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• 1:01:57
  readers.
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• 1:02:06
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• 1:02:07
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