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I Might Be The Problem With Jenna Fischer & Angela Kinsey · Dear Chelsea

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  Speaker 1: Hi, Catherine, Hi Chelsea. Hi, I'm very exciting announcement. Guys.
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  Speaker 1: My new special is coming out on Netflix in December,
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  Speaker 1: two days after Christmas, so I'm very excited. It's called Revolution,
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  Speaker 1: and it is my next This is the tour that
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  Speaker 1: I've been on, the Vaccinated and Horny Tour, which was
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  Speaker 1: just the tour name. The special name is called Revolution,
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  Speaker 1: and you'll understand why once you see it. I love
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  Speaker 1: that it's like an evolution from Evolution. It's my last
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  Speaker 1: special was Evolution, and this special is Revolution, and the
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  Speaker 1: next special will be Devolution. Amazing. I'm so excited to
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  Speaker 1: see it. Thank you. I'm so excited. It's I love it.
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  Speaker 1: I just I'm so happy with it. I never am
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  Speaker 1: able to watch myself do things. It's just very hard
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  Speaker 1: to watch myself. But I think I've gotten to a
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  Speaker 1: place in my life where I accept it and I
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  Speaker 1: don't annoy the ship out of myself anymore. You know. Well,
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  Speaker 1: it's just I haven't seen the special, but the show
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  Speaker 1: is very cute. It's very sweet and charming, and I
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  Speaker 1: think everybody's going, well, that's what everyone thinks of when
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  Speaker 1: they think of me. It's cute, sweet and charming. So
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  Speaker 1: there you go. You hit the nail on the head
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  Speaker 1: once again. Exactly, very on brand, very on brand, Chelsea.
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  Speaker 1: It is Thanksgiving Day. Oh my goodness, Happy Thanksgiving everybody.
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  Speaker 1: I am currently in San Francisco tending to my sister
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  Speaker 1: who had a surgical procedure for her back, and so
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  Speaker 1: I am playing nurse, even though I am not, you know,
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  Speaker 1: that great at it, although I think she's pretty impressed
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  Speaker 1: with my performance so far or my professionalism since I
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  Speaker 1: have so much experience in the medical field and caring
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  Speaker 1: for others. Yes, and you can prescribe her drugs, yes, exactly,
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  Speaker 1: and then I could take her drugs, so it works
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  Speaker 1: as a beautiful revolution trades. Yeah. Well, I am in
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  Speaker 1: Chicago with my husband's family. We usually don't go home
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  Speaker 1: for Thanksgiving, but we're doing it. That we did it
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  Speaker 1: this year. Oh well, okay, and that's exciting. It's all
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  Speaker 1: going swimmingly. I bet, I bet it is going swimmy.
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  Speaker 1: We'll save that conversation for off the end, just because
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  Speaker 1: I'm aware of some of your previous trips. Yes, we
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  Speaker 1: have only unfortunately met my twin nephews, who are now
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  Speaker 1: almost two. We've only met them once. Because of pandemic,
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  Speaker 1: and then every time we've been home they've had like hand,
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  Speaker 1: foot and mouth disease. They went from that straight into
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  Speaker 1: COVID and then like norovirus. Every time we're a home,
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  Speaker 1: foot in mouth, monkey pox, all the things. Babies, no bueno. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but now they're walking, so it's all over. Oh my god,
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  Speaker 1: they're not even walking it and they've had all these diseases.
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  Speaker 1: I know, it's just all it's all happening. So I'm
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  Speaker 1: excited to spend some time with them and snuggle them
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  Speaker 1: and pick up something. Yeah, yeah, definitely get ready. You
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  Speaker 1: should wear a mask over all of your holes. You
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  Speaker 1: don't want to get an ear infection. If you know
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  Speaker 1: what I'm talking about, I don't know what I do
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  Speaker 1: about it. I'm excited to explore. Okay, so our guests today,
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  Speaker 1: we have two guests. They are co stars of the
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  Speaker 1: show The Office. I guess I should say they were
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  Speaker 1: co stars of the show The Office and now there
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  Speaker 1: but there are real life bfs and they are now
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  Speaker 1: co hosts of the hit podcast Office Ladies and now
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  Speaker 1: co authors because their new book called The Office Bfs
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  Speaker 1: is out now. And their names are Angela Kinsey and
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  Speaker 1: Jenni Fisher. Hi, girls, Hi, Sorry, I've been sitting here
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  Speaker 1: and then I realized that my video was off. Oh
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  Speaker 1: did you already do the interview without us? I did
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  Speaker 1: the whole thing. It was great. Okay, well let's wrap
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  Speaker 1: it up. Then it was a great review. Thanks. It
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  Speaker 1: was so great talking with you. Hi, Hi girls, girls, Hello, hello, hello,
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  Speaker 1: coming coming to us live from Angela's in her garage. Jenna,
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  Speaker 1: where are you. I am in a closet that I
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  Speaker 1: transformed into a podcasting space. I brought a plant in
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  Speaker 1: it looks you good. Bring in some oxygen. Yes, I
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  Speaker 1: have a hummingbird painting. So you know, really, we're just
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  Speaker 1: we're just sexy and it's all happening with our plans
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  Speaker 1: and our words. Very sexual. That was the first thing
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  Speaker 1: that I was going to say. I know, we get
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  Speaker 1: that a lot, and your background art is very sexual
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  Speaker 1: as well as the person who has to worry about
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  Speaker 1: the sound quality. I mean, I'm so happy to hear
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  Speaker 1: your in small spaces with soft things like closets and
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  Speaker 1: you know, girls, I'm having a podcast room built in
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  Speaker 1: my new house, which won't be ready until so I
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  Speaker 1: keep coming to the studio thinking it's temporary, and I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: ohh any day now, and then I've just come to
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  Speaker 1: the realization that I will probably never be moving. By
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  Speaker 1: the time that house is done, I will have sold it.
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  Speaker 1: That is how I feel. We were having to podcast
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  Speaker 1: during the pandemic, during the lockdown, when we were in
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  Speaker 1: our homes, and so that's when Angela and I started
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  Speaker 1: podcasting from our closets and I ordered the soundproofing thingies,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the ads for the walls, And that's sort
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  Speaker 1: of how this came about. And now it's great. First
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  Speaker 1: of all, I love your podcast. I love that you
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  Speaker 1: guys decided to revisit your own show and break it apart.
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  Speaker 1: It's very, very entertaining, and obviously it's a huge hit,
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  Speaker 1: so a lot of people are loving it as well.
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  Speaker 1: Now you guys are really good friends in real life obviously, right,
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  Speaker 1: best friends, best friends. I love. We've hit the BFF.
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  Speaker 1: We're there. That's our status update. We're at bf uh.
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  Speaker 1: We'll tell us about how that friendship evolved from working together,
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  Speaker 1: because a lot of times when you work on shows
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  Speaker 1: or productions, you know, you make good friends and then
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of like sleepaway camp. You go back to
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  Speaker 1: your real lives and then you kind of forget about
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  Speaker 1: those people, but you hold onto the memories. It's that's
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  Speaker 1: very true. That's most of the time. Yeah. I actually
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  Speaker 1: remember going to sleep away camp once when I was
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  Speaker 1: in fourth or fifth grade. It was Hebrew sleepaway camp,
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  Speaker 1: so just to add that little X through a nutcluster,
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  Speaker 1: and and I was so excited, like it was, you know,
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  Speaker 1: just sleepover to like girl time, like so many girls,
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  Speaker 1: and they were all from my school, and none of
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  Speaker 1: us were really close friends. We were all in different
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  Speaker 1: social groups. And then we went to sleep away camp
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  Speaker 1: for one weekend. It was just like a one weekend retreat,
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  Speaker 1: but we all bonded so much that when we got
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  Speaker 1: back to school, I was like, oh my god, we're
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  Speaker 1: like we're all in this new group. And then it
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  Speaker 1: just kind of petered out, and I remember feeling so
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  Speaker 1: disappointed as a young girl that we couldn't continue that well.
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  Speaker 1: You know, early in my career, I did this movie
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  Speaker 1: Walk Hard with John c Riley, and he kind of
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  Speaker 1: took me aside midway through. He was very much a
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  Speaker 1: mentor to me, just a wonderful, wonderful guide with acting
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  Speaker 1: technique and all kinds of things. But about midway through,
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  Speaker 1: he just sort of very gently said to me, you know, Jenna,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how to say it, but like, this
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  Speaker 1: isn't real life life on the set, the friends you're making,
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  Speaker 1: the connect and you're making here, this isn't your real life.
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  Speaker 1: Your real life is the other thing, not the movie.
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, what do you mean. These are
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  Speaker 1: my very best friends and they're going to be my
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  Speaker 1: very best friends for ever and ever and ever were
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  Speaker 1: bonded for life. And it was such a wake up
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  Speaker 1: call because he was right, and it was a great
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  Speaker 1: lesson to learn too, because I think in the entertainment
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  Speaker 1: industry a lot of times I don't know that the
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  Speaker 1: friendships you're making, or the bonds you're making on a
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  Speaker 1: particular artistic project. It's really good to remember that you
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  Speaker 1: have to really put down roots in your real life.
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  Speaker 1: You have to have friendships that aren't associated with the
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  Speaker 1: project you're working on. And I guess I'm saying all
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  Speaker 1: that and now I'm realizing that my very best friendship
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  Speaker 1: is Angela Kinsey, who I met on a set and
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  Speaker 1: who is now my business partner. So I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I guess, well, I think I think we have a
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  Speaker 1: really good balance because I just I collect people everywhere,
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  Speaker 1: and I want you all to go with me everywhere.
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  Speaker 1: And then I bug you and I texted you probably
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  Speaker 1: too much, and I overshare and and and I just
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  Speaker 1: want you all to be with me all the time. Really,
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  Speaker 1: so I think Jenn and I are a nice balance
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  Speaker 1: like that. She says when we were on set that
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  Speaker 1: I just I talked to you into being my friend,
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  Speaker 1: Like I just wouldn't stop talking to you pretty much.
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  Speaker 1: You did, And I'm I'm more shy and I have
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  Speaker 1: a lot of social anxiety, and so to have this
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  Speaker 1: person that was just warm and chatty and open and
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  Speaker 1: never stopped talking to me, I just was like drawn
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  Speaker 1: to that, like moth to a flame. I was like, yes,
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  Speaker 1: this is great. And then you know, we went through
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  Speaker 1: this crazy thing together, this show becoming successful. It was
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  Speaker 1: both of our first regular television jobs, and so we
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  Speaker 1: were able to navigate all of that together. But more
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  Speaker 1: than anything, we were the same kind of person, right,
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  Speaker 1: and like we were target on the weekends and going
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  Speaker 1: to do like what do you call those where you
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  Speaker 1: like paint a picture and drink wine like we wine
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  Speaker 1: and Kivas night night. We were for it. Give me
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  Speaker 1: sign me up for sip and stitch. We're gonna do one.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I just yeah, no. We we both sort
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  Speaker 1: of had the same life experience in a way, like
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  Speaker 1: our our families and how we grew up. And even
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  Speaker 1: though we you know, I grew up all over and
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  Speaker 1: some of the locations weren't the same, sort of the
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  Speaker 1: heart of how we related to the world was the same.
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  Speaker 1: And how we processed the show taking off and how
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  Speaker 1: that changed our lives. But one of the things I'm
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  Speaker 1: so proud of in our friendship is the commitment we
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  Speaker 1: have to our friendship. And you know, it's like any
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  Speaker 1: any other relationship in your life. The work you put
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  Speaker 1: in it is what you get out. And as the
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  Speaker 1: show ended and all of a sudden, we had this
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  Speaker 1: place where we always saw each other and that was gone.
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  Speaker 1: So it was up to us after that, how do
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  Speaker 1: we maintain this French ship? How do we keep it going?
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  Speaker 1: What does it mean to us? And it's one of
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  Speaker 1: the joys of my life, the work we put into
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  Speaker 1: it and what we get back from it, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: always so thankful for it. We'll talk to us a
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  Speaker 1: little bit about like what that commitment means for each
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  Speaker 1: of you checking in really sharing and sharing because it's
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  Speaker 1: I feel like, how people grow really close to you
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  Speaker 1: as a shared life experience, and whether or not your
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  Speaker 1: journey is the same, you're sharing your life experience on
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  Speaker 1: any day, I know what Jenna's day was like. I
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  Speaker 1: know what her week was like, even when we've been
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  Speaker 1: way apart working. You know, like when Jenna, when you
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  Speaker 1: were in London and I was in Vancouver, I knew
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  Speaker 1: the sound her feet made on her walk every day
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  Speaker 1: and I grew to look forward to it. You know,
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  Speaker 1: at first it was annoying. I was like it was
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  Speaker 1: kind of some crunchy rock. But then I was like,
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  Speaker 1: oh I miss that crunchy rock and I need to
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  Speaker 1: hear it. But right, Jenna, like, we just we stay connected.
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  Speaker 1: We journal out loud to each other all the time
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  Speaker 1: about the big stuff, the small stuff. All of it
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  Speaker 1: is welcome. Yeah. I think a lot of what and
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  Speaker 1: nexus as friends is sharing the small stuff. And like
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  Speaker 1: Angela said, journaling out loud. We used to write each
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  Speaker 1: other journal like emails, and then we moved into audio messages,
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  Speaker 1: which is how we do it now. And Angela just
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  Speaker 1: audio messaged me about her ceiling today. She had a
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  Speaker 1: big water leak and she gave me all the guys,
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  Speaker 1: the ceiling is going in today. I've I've been waiting
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  Speaker 1: weeks for this because I'm so invested in Angela's ceiling
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  Speaker 1: for her, because we tell each other all the small stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Do you guys use Marco Polo? That's a video messaging app? No,
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  Speaker 1: I know it, I know Marco Polo, but yeah, it
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  Speaker 1: sounds like that would be a good app for you too,
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  Speaker 1: because then you can visually see each other talking wherever
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  Speaker 1: you are, and then you can show her the ceiling
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  Speaker 1: being the installation of the ceiling. Like, it's a nice
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  Speaker 1: way to check in with your friends and family when
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  Speaker 1: you're on vacation anywhere, really, so they know what you're
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  Speaker 1: up to. You don't have to like message back in
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  Speaker 1: real time. It's like when you get the message, you
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  Speaker 1: message back. I do that with a lot of my friends.
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  Speaker 1: It's a atty great form of communication. It's almost like
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  Speaker 1: if you could leave a voicemail when face timing. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's like a FaceTime voicemail basically, Oh, I'm in, I'm in.
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  Speaker 1: What's nice about it? Is like, well, when I see
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  Speaker 1: that come in I'll wait until I have a minute
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  Speaker 1: to digest it so you can really can accept the message.
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  Speaker 1: And there's also sometimes messages where I'm like, you're gonna
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  Speaker 1: need to make sure no one's around when you listen
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  Speaker 1: to this one. Yeah, you know those are my favorite. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: obviously I like what you're saying about friendship because we've
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  Speaker 1: talked about this before, Catherine, about Renee Brown. I think
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  Speaker 1: it is talks about the marble jar and how, you know,
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  Speaker 1: things develop and cultivate over time. And it's not about
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  Speaker 1: like necessarily instant connections and all of those things, because
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  Speaker 1: those can be fleeting. It's about time spent, you know,
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  Speaker 1: time quality, time spent repetitively, not just a few times
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  Speaker 1: or a couple of times. It's about all the small
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  Speaker 1: moments along with the big moments and the consistency of
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  Speaker 1: it that leads to like a real, real worthwhile friendship.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's true. I feel like I always know
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  Speaker 1: that Jenna is going to show up for me, and
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that about everybody. You know, like I
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  Speaker 1: am someone that I love meeting people and hearing their
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  Speaker 1: stories and kind of collecting this group of people. But
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  Speaker 1: then you have this small inner circle that you know
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  Speaker 1: is going to show up in Jenna's top of the list,
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  Speaker 1: and that makes me feel good in the world. That
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  Speaker 1: makes me feel safe, and she makes me feel safe
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  Speaker 1: a lot. You know that's great, Jenna. Oh well, I
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  Speaker 1: mean that's Angela for me too. There's an unconditional love
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  Speaker 1: that comes with Angela's friendship that makes me feel like
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  Speaker 1: I can be the parts of myself that aren't so polished,
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  Speaker 1: the parts of myself that I am may be ashamed
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  Speaker 1: of or embarrassed by. I can make those mistakes with her,
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  Speaker 1: and she's she doesn't judge, She's there to just love
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  Speaker 1: me through even my worst moments. Yeah. I think that's
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  Speaker 1: the gift that everybody they wants, right as somebody who
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  Speaker 1: can see you at your worst and love you nonetheless.
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  Speaker 1: And also the lack of judgment is nice because I
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  Speaker 1: noticed in different dynamics with girlfriends of mine or friends
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  Speaker 1: of mine or associates of mine. You know, sometimes I'm
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  Speaker 1: very judgmental, and sometimes I am so forgiving, like not
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  Speaker 1: even forgiving is it the right word, but the opposite
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  Speaker 1: of being judgmental, you know, generous, Yeah, just generous of
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  Speaker 1: spirit really, like not ever thinking that any of their
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  Speaker 1: behavior is ever going to like break us or judging
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  Speaker 1: them for it, you know, loving them through it. So judgmental,
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  Speaker 1: Like being judgmental is a very tricky kind of balance.
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  Speaker 1: Well for me it is anyway, because I used to
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  Speaker 1: be super judgmental, and I've tried to tone that down.
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  Speaker 1: You know, sometimes I'm very successful and sometimes I'm less successful.
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  Speaker 1: Well that's that's just everybody, right. I Mean it's like
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  Speaker 1: some days I'm like, I'm crushing it today as a human,
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  Speaker 1: and then other days I'm like, what a piece of crap?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just I'm curious. How did you do that? Chelsea?
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  Speaker 1: Was that like a conscious decision? Did you decide to
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  Speaker 1: take that on one year as a goal, and like,
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  Speaker 1: what are some of the things you did? Well? I
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  Speaker 1: went to therapy and realized, like I you know, I
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  Speaker 1: went into like serious therapy for about a year and
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  Speaker 1: a half when I just became so angry and kind
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  Speaker 1: of like, you know, just I had no patience for people.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone annoyed the funk out of me. I mean, people
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  Speaker 1: still really annoy me. I don't know if that's ever
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  Speaker 1: going to go away completely, but I have a much
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  Speaker 1: more like loving attitude now. About people and I understand
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  Speaker 1: that people go through things, you know, that you don't
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  Speaker 1: know anything about, and I just was a little bit
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  Speaker 1: up my own ass. So I had to just kind
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  Speaker 1: of expand my my thoughtfulness and really understand that everybody
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  Speaker 1: is going through something and most oftentimes you're not going
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  Speaker 1: to know what that is, and to be empathetic, which
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  Speaker 1: is something I kind of really lacked empathy, and to
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  Speaker 1: cultivate that. The exciting news was that it's possible to
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  Speaker 1: cultivate empathy when you are deficient in a category like that.
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  Speaker 1: There are skills and ways to remember that. You know,
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  Speaker 1: everybody has their own life. Everybody has their own set
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  Speaker 1: of problems, their families, their history that you don't know
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  Speaker 1: anything about, and to be more patient with people, really,
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  Speaker 1: and it feels so good to be able to love
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  Speaker 1: someone when they're acting badly, you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 1: When somebody feels terrible about the way they're behaving, where
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  Speaker 1: they're having an outburst, it feels so generous to be
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  Speaker 1: able to sit with them and be like, it's everything's
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  Speaker 1: gonna be okay. You're gonna be okay, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: and so that reaps its own set of rewards. I
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  Speaker 1: think mm hmm, yeah, I mean I feel like one
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  Speaker 1: of the things that you know, I mean, I feel
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  Speaker 1: like that you and I have is we can be
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  Speaker 1: really honest with each other and we've given ourselves the
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  Speaker 1: room and our friendship to just take it in and
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  Speaker 1: because it comes from a loving place, it's sort of
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  Speaker 1: like that thing you were saying Chelsea about like having compassion.
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  Speaker 1: And we're not a perfect friendship, you know, we're a
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: working friendship and we do the best we can. We
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: care for each other and we always come at it
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: from that space. So I wouldn't want anyone listening to
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: think that it's always been smooth sailing, because anything worth
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: anything takes work, and there's gonna be days where you
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: get on each other's nerves and things that you work
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: through as friends. But it's always been just so rewarding
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: that I can go to Jenna with anything and she
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: can come to me and she hears me, and she'll
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: we own whatever part of it we own and then
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: we get past it, and um, it's something I'm I
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: don't know, jennat always means a lot to me that
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: I know I can go to you that that that
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: I feel so comfortable in our friendship that I can
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: even go to you with things where I'm like, hey,
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: you know what that bugged me? Or you can do
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: the same and we get through it. Yeah, We've also
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: started conversations like this, like I've said, hey, I have
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: to talk to you about something. Something's bothering me and
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: it might be me, it might be my ship. But
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: can I say it out loud and maybe we figure
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: it out together, like what part of it might be you?
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: What part of it is Maybe it's all me, Like
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm coming at this, but like I've been holding
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: it for long enough now and I'm not figuring it
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: out by myself, And so can I just bring it
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: to the friendship and as soon as I say it,
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: I might feel embarrassed, because sometimes that happens, like as
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: soon as you say it, you see it. And and
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: so I am so grateful that our friendship and our
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: friendship did not start that way. In fact, I almost
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: feel like some of these bigger, deeper kind of conversations
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: have happened since we went into business together. Because when
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: you're running a business together and you're presenting a business
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: to other people, the stakes are a little higher, and
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: so I that's one of the things that being in
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: business together has brought our friendship. It's I feel like
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: even even deeper, yeah, because the dynamic shifts. But I
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: love what you said. I love that intro into getting
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: into a difficult conversation. We haven't had to have any difficult,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: really difficult conversations yet, Katherine, but I hope to have
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: some soon. So we just started, we became friends, we
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: started working together, and then we became friends. So it's
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: the opposite. Well no, it's not the opposite, yeah, but
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: you can work together and then became friends and then
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: decided us to work together again. Well, the differences though,
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: is we were we were co workers together. We both
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: worked for someone else, right, and really my work ethic
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: didn't affect Jenna's or vice versa. The way we approach
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: work didn't affect each other. But then, you know, we
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: had our friendship which was really solid. But then when
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: we started to run our own business together, well, now
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: it's like that's it. It's just me and Jenna, and
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: we directly affect one another. How we work, how we
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: process information, how we go into a meeting, it's all together.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: And that was a real learning curve too. Because we
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: do process information and work very differently. But I also
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: think we complement each other really well. Yeah, we have
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: very similar work ethics. We're hard workers, but we approach
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: how we organize work differently. And it's when you go
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: into business with a friend as well. It creates so
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: many more opportunities for friction and you know, kind of
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: rubbing against each other the wrong way. So was there
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: anything that you really had to work through from that perspective?
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: I mean not at first. At first though, every person
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: I told that we were going into business together was like,
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: do you think that that's a good Are you crazy?
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: Are you worried for your friendship? And even our husbands
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: were worried. I think mostly because they need us to
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: be friends. They need Angela and I to be best
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: friends because we are helpful in like not making them everything,
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: you know, like they're not our only friends, so we
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: have each other for the big stuff. But I think
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: it wasn't until we started getting into it where yeah,
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: it was mostly how we work. Angela is a night owl.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: I am a morning person. Yeah, like when when we
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: swap information, because you know, our our podcast, Jenna and
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: I break down every episode ourselves. We go through it,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: we reach out to people ourselves, we kind of come
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: out with an outline of who takes what, and so
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: I would get this creative burst at like ten o'clock
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: at night, nights ender all these ideas, and she'd be like,
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: I need do to buck it up because my brain
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: is shutting off. And then Jenna, it's like when her
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: eyes opened, her brain is going like in the morning,
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: her eyes are open and she's ready to talk, and
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: I'm like, no, no, no, I need time to get
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: into this day. And that was some of the learning
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: curve that we had. So you need to have meetings
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: at like two pm, just like this is our happy
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: time right here. That's good to identify that. When people
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: had reluctance regarding you guys working together, did you talk
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: about that openly? Yeah. We both came to each other
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: and I was like, I was like, Jenna, Josh thinks
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: this could be a bad idea, and She's like, oh
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: my god, Li said the same thing, and neither of
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: us had any reservation, Like I had nothing. You know,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: sometimes you approach something new and you're like you get
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: that feeling. I had none of that. I just felt excitement,
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: and usually that means this is, you know, a good
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: thing when everything in your body is like yes, yes, yes, yeah.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: I think whether you're in a married couple and you
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: work together, our friendship duo and you work together, I
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: think some people can work together and some people can't.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: You know, some people can have a great marriage or
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: a friendship and they can't work together, or maybe they're
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: like on the verge of divorce but their business is
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: going great. It's like, you know, I don't think it
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: necessarily reflects on the relationship, but it can be really
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: difficult to work with somebody that you deeply care for,
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: that you like. Catherine's husband edits our podcast and he's
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: our sound engineer and I'm sleeping with him now too.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: So things I've gotten pretty fucked up around here got
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: me a thank you for saying throuble before I had to,
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: because that is the word of the decade for me,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: especially I'm everyone's third wheel. Actually, we have a pretty
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: interesting question coming up today that I want to say
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: before we start. We're gonna go right into these questions
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: and we have callers and people calling for real advice. Girls.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: But it's so nice to have such a wholesome group
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: of girls here today, like, you guys are really gonna
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: be You guys are gonna dig this. I could tell
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: because you're really I could tell you're gonna care about
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: these people and this is gonna be fun. Yes, okay, Well,
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: before we get to questions, we'll take a quick break
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: and we'll be right back and we're back fantastic. Our
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: first question bred we're going to go right into the
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: collar just for time. Is Brad your husband my husband.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: I get to tell him what to do, and it's great.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: I've seen you should have seen our hug in the hallway.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: He went to hug me on the side and I
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: went around the corner and then we just both just
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: hit I mean, he's a good hugger. Well, we missed
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: that one this morning. I'll have to try again when
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: I leave. Well, this is Bella. She's twenty two. Her
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: subject line is and I love avoidant or am I right?
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: So she had written into the show, and some developments
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: happened before she wrote in again or before I reached
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: out to her. Um. She wrote in about a long
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: distance relationship she was in and she wasn't totally sure
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: it was right for her. They would have a great
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: time when they were together, but after he left, she'd
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: find herself thinking about being single. Complicating matters, they were
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: working on a short film together and he had helped
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: her through the loss of her father to cancer. She
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: felt that he was a wonderful partner, but couldn't really
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: figure out what was wrong, and she had asked, am
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: I trying to avoid a love that's too good for me?
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Or is this feeling I get when we're apart right?
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: And now is the time for me to be single?
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: Then she wrote in again. A couple of weeks ago,
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: I left my long distance relationship with my boyfriend of
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: two years, and it was the best decision I could
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: have made. I loved him, but my longing for independence
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: grew bigger and bigger, and I couldn't let another day
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: go by abandoning myself. He and I were great friends
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: before we dated, and we'd love to resume that friendship
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: when the time is right. Can you help me with
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: those next steps? I know it would be a few
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: months down the line, but I'm a planner and I
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: would like to hear your advice. How should I approach
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: establishing new friendship boundaries with him? Should I be conscious
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: of how much time I spend with him. He was
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: more upset about the breakup than I was, because mentally
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: I had left the relationship when I wrote my first email,
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: I can't wait to hear from you. Bella, Hi, Bella, Hi,
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: bigg Hi. Oh my gosh, I'm so happy to be here.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: I know, look at all the women here to give
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: you a Yes, ladies, ladies. Okay, So to your relationship,
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: he must have, that must have? Really? Was he surprised? Yeah,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: which I was surprised. I live in New Jersey or
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: I just did. I'm on a road trip moving back
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: to a led pursue. Good for you forgetting the funk
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: out of it, right. We did it, We made it out.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: I could only say that because it's my home state,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: of course, And so earlier this month, I went to
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: l A to visit some friends and I wanted to
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: see the house that I was moving into, and a
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: couple of days before I went, that's also where he lives.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: A couple of days before I went, I was like, hey,
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: I need some space. I don't want to talk. I
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: just feel very confused. And I was open with him
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: about how I was, you know, questioning our relationship kind
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: of on and off, and he was like, okay, of
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: course yeah. And then I got there and I broke
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: up with him, and he was accepting, but then also
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: expected that the whole time I was in l A
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: would be like our lovers goodbye, we would be hanging
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: out the whole time. And I did hang out with
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: him the first day, but then I had to kind
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: of back away, which he was very upset about. So
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: it was a little complicated, and I think it was
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: one of those things that once I really honored my
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: knowing and what I wanted, I couldn't like look away
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: and I couldn't unsee it. And for him, it was
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: like he wanted to use this time to really hold
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: on to what we've had and honor what we've had,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: and I think I've been doing that privately on my own.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: So I really love him, and I really appreciate him,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: and I think we had a really beautiful relationship, but
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: it's time for me to move on. I don't see
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: myself with him long term, you know, so I think
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: now more my question, especially about being friends with him.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: This is one thing I was also realizing in my reflection,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: was I changed parts of myself to really connect and
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: click with him, and I think, like, when I'm thinking
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: about maintaining a friendship with him, I know I need
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: time before that happens. But I think he's going to
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: meet a very different person as well, So I'm just wondering.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: You know, he's more eclectic, He's very artsy, artsy, and
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: there are parts of me. I'm a poet, you know,
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: I'm arts as well. But I think there's parts of
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: me that I suppressed and then highlighted to really connect
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: with him. Um, and now that I'm out of the relationship,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: I'm finding who I am again. I'm also twenty two,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: you know, I just graduated college. I'm like in a
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: huge transitional period of my life. And yeah, I'm just
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: feeling a little anxious about moving to a city where
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: he is. And I know he wants a friendship as well,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: and I would be interested in that. But yeah, I
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: just can't believe the vocabulary that twenty year old have
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: about their own feelings these days. I mean, I was
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: drunk and high and did not have any reflection about anything.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: I was like forty, I mean, so igpressive. Thank you. Well,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: you know, you read Glenn and Doyle and your life
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: changes and ground and you know, everything, just the whole
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: world shifts. So yeah, good, good for you. Well, I
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: want to ask you one question before we all jump in.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: So you kind of hinted at the things that you
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: changed about yourself, but can you get into a couple
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: more specifics about the things that you did change about
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: yourself to be more connected to him that bothered you. Yeah,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: he lives in the clouds, and I think I'm a
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: I'm a romantic as well, but I'm also very practical
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: and especially being an actor, being a writer, and having
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: very big dreams for myself. I have a big hustle
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: because I know that for a while, I'm not going
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: to be making my living doing what I love. You know,
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: I'm going to be working for free a lot. I'm
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: going to be doing theater and getting paid two hundred
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: dollars a week, and I'm going to be so happy
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: to do that. But you know, he didn't have a job,
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: and I always did. I felt like I wasn't as
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: motivated and in a hustle mindset when I was with him.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: He taught me how to slow down and smell the roses,
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: but I think I was doing that too much. Towards
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: the end of our relationship and I went on vacation
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: with him and my best friend, and now that we're
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: broken up, she was like, that was so jarring for
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: me because I felt like seeing you two together, I
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: was seeing the side of you that I would have
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: never thought even existed. Like, he's not a planner. We
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: were going to San Francisco and he thought that we
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: could just like go and camp on the beach and
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: like that's legal, and I left him to figure out
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: where we were camping. So then we got there and
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: the one job he had he just completely failed out,
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: which I was like, oh, it's fine, it's cute. Oh god,
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: he's such a plan and like so lives moment moment.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: But no, that's something that I wouldn't appreciate and also
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: wouldn't think was cute. If that was like just a friend,
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: I'd be like, you sucked us over, Like what are
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: we going to do now? So yeah, I think I
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: was just a little bit more passive and let him
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: take the driver's seat. And I'm not that kind of
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: person just in general. And now I feel like I
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: don't have a boyfriend, and like I said, I'm graduating college.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: I also lost my dad earlier this year. He had
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: brain cancer for two years, and you know that really
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: changes a person. Being twenty and having this like huge
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: dose of reality and so and losing him also obviously
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: changed me. So I'm like, looking around, I'm like, I
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: don't even know who I am anymore. And there's parts
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: of myself that I especially lost in my relationship with him.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: So now I'm just totally rebuilding, which I'm very excited
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: to do, but I do feel intimidated and I've been lost.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, well, thank you for your honest dates. I
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: I love everything you're saying, is I think so relatable
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: to anyone who's listening and to all women. You know,
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: how many times have we all been in relationships where
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: we've given too much of ourselves away only to come
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: back to ourselves or you know, every relationship you get
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: out of and then you hear what everybody thinks about
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: what the relationship was, and you're like, well, I wish
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: you would have told me that while I was in it.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: But thanks anyway. I feel like I'll go first and
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: then everyone girls you can jump in. I think it's
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: so important to just respect his boundaries. Being the one
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: that he was kind of broken up with, and letting
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: him take the lead on the friendship part. I think
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: you do need some time so you're not he's not
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: in love with you, because it's so hard to be
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: friends with somebody when you're still in love. You know,
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: it's kind of untenable and it's not it's not even
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: nice to the other person. So I think you should
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: definitely let him take the lead and you should take
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: some space in between that time that you become friends.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: But you know, see what he wants, because a lot
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: of people say they want to be friends and then
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: they try and they can't, you know, and then they're like, oh,
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: I can't do this, it's too soon, it's too much.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I think respecting his boundaries since you're the
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: one who's kind of, you know, blossoming out of the relationship,
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: and he will too at some point, but maybe not
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: at the same pace that you are. Angela, what do
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: you think, Well, you know, bellow, when you were talking
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: at that one of the things that really stood out
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: to me, and like Telsea said, you were so well spoken.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: I'm just like, my god, because I was not at
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: twenty two. But one of the things you said that
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: really stood out to me is just your feeling of
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: loss after your dad passed away. And you know, when
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: my father passed away, it was like this life anchor disappeared,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: this thing that I was so tethered to that was
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: the calm and every storm, and it made me hold
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: a mirror up to my whole life, all my relationships.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: I just looked at differently through this filter of losing
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: my dad and just know that voice in you that
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: knows when something's right for you and knows when it's not,
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: and losing a parent like that magnifies that. And so
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: I feel like you are living your truth and I
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: think that's really good. And I think the thing I
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: would tell you is that the loss of your dad
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: will always be with you, and you're gonna have days
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: where it just hits you in waves, and days where
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: you're okay, but you just look at everyone differently, and
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: I think that's okay. You just went through a big
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: thing and it put your relationship in perspective. I'm sure
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: there were many things that put it in perspective, but
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: I know that that had to contribute, you know, And
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: I just would say to be kind to yourself right
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: now and definitely don't rush into another one. That would
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: be my advice, you know, just take this time to
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: sort of regroup yourself and regroup how you're going to
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: navigate life without your dad and how you're going to
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: navigate relationships without him as someone you turned to. Yeah, yeah,
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: I do. I feel that a lot, and thank you.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: I was having a conversation with my best friend yesterday,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: like I said, we're on this road trip moving back
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: to l A. And she was really like, you don't
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: give yourself enough credit. And I was sitting in the
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: car like crying. I was like, I can't even accept
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: that that's true, but I also have enough of a
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: mirror up to me to know that it is. But yeah,
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: thank you very much. It's been it's been a ride.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: I think that was probably I've noticed the most. I
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: was studying abroad in Germany and I came back after
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: his services and everything, and I was just looking at
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: all these people who are twenty and twenty one and
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: just worrying about Win's margarite a picture hour and how
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: cheap for the drinks, and I'm like, oh my gosh,
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: everything is changed for me forever. But I'm also very
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: grateful for it as well. I think it's very significant
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: to my life journey and has played a very specific role,
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: and I do see more and more blessings from it.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is one of them. Yeah. Yeah, And
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: I think just looking at a specific amount of time,
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: you know that you might want to let a lapse
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: between now and when you can really start rebuilding a
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: friendship with this boyfriend, if and one that does happen.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: You know, I feel like, as a general rule, I
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: usually say six months is a good amount of time
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: depending on how many hurt feelings there were for the
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: person who was dumped, But you know, you might find
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: it's three, four or five months. But I think good
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: way to step back into that could be group get
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: together is like when the time is right. But also,
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: you know, I think as the other girls here have said,
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: like taking his cues on that, as long as it's
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: not too soon, you know you might have to you know,
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: keep them, keep them at bay for a little while. Yeah,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: because we really do have the same social circles. So
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: like even this month big party time and my friends
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: having a house swarming party, and there are things that
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: I know that he's gonna be at. Is this something
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: that then I just say, like, I'm not going to
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: go to that because I know he's there, because it's
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: like a weird thing of do I communicate with him, Like, Hey,
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know how to approach that part
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: of it to like just the logisticates of I don't
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: really want to be missing out on a whole part
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: of my social life and these fun parties. But I
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: also will acknowledge that, yeah, part of breaking up with
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: someone and dating someone in your friend group is those
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: sacrifices will have to be made. But I don't know
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: how to do that while not communicating with him and
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: just hope that that works out. Well. I think it's
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: okay to go to those sorts of things and you
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: can be civil and say hi, but I would grab
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: a good girlfriend just be like, hey, this is my
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: mL for tonight. I'm not trying to like have long
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: drawn out conversations with him. It's like, can you just
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: kind of have my back and keep me, keep me entertained,
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: and be by my side for the evening and that way, hopefully,
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: you know, if she sees you kind of getting into
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: something or going down a rabbit hole, she can pull
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: you away and say like, hey, let's go grab a
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: drink or whatever. Okay, yeah, yeah, Because I think the
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: key is, like with breaking up and everything, like the
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: best we can do is to be responsible with other
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: people's feelings, right, Like, that's the best we could do,
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: to not be misleading, to not be irresponsible, get drunk
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: and make out with them irresponsibly, and so that that
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: obfuscates the entire situation. You know, not that you're going
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: to do that. You don't seem like the type of
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: girl that's you know, that confused. But sometimes we can
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: do it. Men can do it too, obviously, but you know,
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: women can. We have this way that we can. Sometimes
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: we don't regard people, we don't hold them in the
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: same regard that we would hold our own feelings. So
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: I think the most you know, thoughtful thing we can
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: ever do when things are ending is just to hold
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: those people's feelings is equal to ours and make sure
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: that we're not sending mixed messages. I'm sorry, I'm butting
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: my shirt right now. I don't know what's happening, but yeah,
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: just to be responsible about it. And even if you
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: did want to communicate and say, hey, I just want
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: to make sure you're okay with us going to this
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: party together, like there's not gonna be any weird vibes.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, you know you could always do that.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: That's as long as it's friendly and not misleading, right, Yeah, Jenna,
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: what do you think? Do you have any thoughts on
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: this subject? You know, I think you guys covered a
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: lot of it. And the one thing that I was
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: just going to say was that I really heard that
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: you are entering into a new season. It sounds like
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: an ambitious one in your life. You have a lot
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: of goals and visions for your life, and I want
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: to wish you good luck and don't give up. I
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: have driven my car across the country in hopes of
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: being an actress once, and you are right, you will
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: probably have some years of struggle and weird jobs and
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: patching things together, but I'll just say it's worth it.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: And if this is your calling, I really commend you
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: for being brave enough too to rise to the occasion
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: and make the changes in your life that are necessary
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: to follow that call. So good luck, You've got this,
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: So thank you so much. This is such an honor.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: I love your podcast, Chelsea and Catherine and I love
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: your podcast, ladies. I love the Office. My dad and
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: I would watch together all the time. So I just
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: I am such a fan of you all. I'm so
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: happy that this all worked out, and Catherine has been
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: lovely communicating likewise. Well, we're a fan of you. Now
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: to Bella, you're an A plus plus bellas God keep
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: us posted on how it goes, and thank you so
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: much for calling in and sharing with us. I have
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: a great day, ladies. Well that was just delightful. I mean,
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: what where did this? I just care these young people.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: I'm so improud. I would be so proud of her
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: if she was my daughter, I'd be like, I am
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: so flipping proud of you. They should make Untamed Glennon's
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: book that should be curriculum like required reading for all
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: high school girls, because everybody who reads it. I mean,
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever heard of anyone. Oh well,
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: some people aren't ready to hear it. Yes, I've heard
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: some women go it's too much, it's too much, and
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: you're like, you're the one who needs it the most.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: You know when people have that reaction. Have you girls
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: both read her book? Glenn and Doyle. I haven't read it,
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: but I have friends who have read it and love it.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: I follow her on Instagram though, and I love her. Yeah.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: She and Abby are so funny. And she has another book,
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: Love Warrior, and then I think there was one other
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: one right before that, but I can't remember the name
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: of that, but yeah, and aimed as awesome. I actually
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: was in my work. We were there and one of
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: my friends had it and I read three chapters again
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: that I hadn't read before because I was looking for inspiration,
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: and I was like, oh god, yeah, it's so good.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: It's just yeah, it's great. Is it one of those
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: books where you can just flip open a chapter, Yeah,
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: sort of essay style, so you don't have to read
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: it in order, and it'll just be like, oh wow,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: something just opened up in me. Yeah, you know in
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: those days where you need something, like you have to
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: just pick something. I love those books at too, where
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: you could just pick it up and you're like, what
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: do I need to see and there's something in here
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: that will help me right now? Yeah, it's like that, Yeah, oh, Jenna,
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: we need to get it. Also, I have a fourteen
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: year old daughter now, and so I was just like,
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: she hasn't had a crush. Yet you know, it's like
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: it's still it's all very new, but I know those
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: days are coming, and I want to be prepared to
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: be ready. It's a good thing to read along with
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: another friend, you know. I had read it with my
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: sisters in law actually, and we would meet every week
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: after reading a few chapters, or virtually we'd meet on
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: zoom and we'd talk about it. It was just wonderful. Angela,
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: should we finally read a book together? I mean, listen,
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: any anything could happen. Maybe maybe we'll read a book together.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: Maybe we'll actually finally go to a yoga class. I
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: can handle. Anything could happen. Yeah, after this podcast, you
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: guys can do a book podcast where you read books
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: together and do a book review. Well, we have one
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: more well actually two more collars. They are a pair
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: calling in together. This submission comes from Country Carly and
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: April Showers. Dear Chelsea. To start, my best friend and
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: I have been fans since we were thirteen years old,
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: watching Chelsea lately during sleepovers. We have a situation. We'd
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: love your advice on a little backstory. One of us
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: is a nurse practitioner and has collected over a hundred
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: thousand dollars in student loan debt in this pursuit. The
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: other is recently divorced and is building a successful career
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: and event planning in NAPA. She's been on a health
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: journey to figure out the root cause behind her autoimmune
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: disease so she can successfully manage her pcos and s
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: I s S, and has accrued a healthy amount of
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: debt in doing so. We're hoping for your advice as
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: we have thought of what we think might be a
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: great idea to get us out of debt and increase
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: our quality of life. We decided we both want to
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: start and only fans account and create an actual solid
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: business plan involving a photographer, videographer and account manager. We
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: want to maintain total anonymity, use fake names and alter
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: our appearance, and use social media accounts unrelated to either
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: of us. The only catches this photographer slash manager we
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: have in mind is someone one of us is newly dating.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: We all feel like if we have clear rules and
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: legal contracts, we can all make money and maintain professional
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: and personal boundaries. We're all very level headed, self aware,
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: pretty chill individuals that feel like we can truly be
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: successful this Are we crazy for thinking this? April is
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: very comfortable with her sexuality and being naked, and I
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: have often been called the nudest of the friend group
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: because I was raised in a European household that embraced
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: nudity and openness. The couple are both comfortable with the
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: fact that he will be seeing me naked, and I
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: believe that he's a solid guy that would be mature
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: about this. You inspired both of us to begin therapy
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: over the last couple of years, and we feel so
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: grateful to have the tools we have at such a
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: young age. We're excited to free ourselves from debt and
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: pursue a healthier, more genuine, and happy life. With the
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: money we will potentially make. Carly country and April showers. Hi. Hi,
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: Hi Carly in April, Hi, ladies him Let's go, Hi
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: girl perfect. I have a quick first question, because I'm
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: almost a hundred years old, I'm pretty sure I know
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: what it's only friends is only fans. I'm pretty sure
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: I read an article about it, or listen to a
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: podcast or something. Can you give me some context so
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: I make sure that I'm remembering the right podcast or
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: article that I read. Yeah, so it's social media for
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: adult content. You can go as far as you want
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: with what you post. There's like full on porn and
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: then there's soft porn. You can do just photos, live interacting.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: There's like a tipping situation, but it's a platform to
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: make money. Okay, I got it. I know what we're
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: talking about. And then there's also like the podcast I
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: listened to about it was like how stressful it can
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: be to manage all the d m s and how
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: you can like farm that out to a company who
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: will help you with your d m s. Yeah, okay, yes,
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: what happens in the d M s them like a
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: man or d M you and he'll want like I
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: loved that pick, will you do one, you know, with
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: a lollipop or something like? They'll yeah, and then there's
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: a transaction and then you do the one that they
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: want and then yes, okay, I see yes, But it
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: can be like I mean, and you know what it's
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: like with you can get so many with social media
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: and d ms, like it can be a lot to manage. Yes,
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: that's right. I have them off and then sometimes I
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: check in on them, and then then I turn it
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: back off, but okay, so and you guys want to
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: work together on this as a duo, and you would
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: be on camera together. We would have our own profiles separate. Yeah,
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: it would be you know, each other's cheerleaders, and we
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: would you know, show each other do the photo shoots together,
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: but not interactive. But we would be starting our own
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: management business, so we wouldn't have to recent because you
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: only fans already. So the idea would be to have
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: someone do the photography and manage. And it happened to
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: be someone that I'm newly dating, So that's your only
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: hesitation here. Really, it sounds like is using this person
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: who you're dating to manage both of you because there's
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: a couple of hesitations. Oh what else? What else you got?
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: I'm going to be a nurse practitioner, so being in
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: the medical field, have to like really be careful about
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: maintaining anonymity and also is it worth it to have
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: this out there and potentially be exposed like deep into
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: my career as a nurse pectitioner. I'm I'm only a nurse,
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: you know, like whatever, I know you're and she yeah,
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: yeah that and just yeah, having someone in dating photographing
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: my friend while I'm there, and also I not quite
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: sure about the relationship at the moment. It's very new.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: Oh well, that's a big one. That's a big one
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: because if you're if this is you're dating someone who's
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: going to manage you guys professionally, but you're not sure
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: of the longevity of that relationship in the dynamic and
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: how it might change. And then they're a business partner.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: That's the biggest flag here for me, right, My biggest
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: flag is I don't know if this is going to
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: be as lucrative as you need it to be unless
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: you can like make it your full time thing. Because
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: the podcast I listened to, but what my one source
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: of information made it sound like what seems like a
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: side hustle becomes your full time job if you want
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: it to be really lucrative. Have you examined the real
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: financials here? Yes, we've you found. Yeah, Like we both work,
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: I mean already forty five hours a week, so we're
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: not looking for something to add on, you know, something tremendously,
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: but we're also looking for a way to make some
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: extra money to get us at a debt that will
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: be kind of fun and enjoyable in a weird way
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: back that they're driving for Uber. But I would prefer
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: to just have fun with my best friend and take
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: some classy photos and if we make some money off it, great,
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: But I think realistically what it would come down to
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: as an additional you know, fifteen twenty hours a week
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: of messaging, that's kind of what we think. We also
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: got to like if we do one big you know,
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: shoot sort of say, and we set ourselves up for
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: the months or the next couple of months, and we
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: can you know, put those out every day and have
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: it be we spend like a day doing it and
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: so it can automatically post every day. So like messaging
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: and staying consistent is a big part of it. But
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: I think if we set ourselves up for that, then
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: maybe it could say sometimes that's what I'm thinking of.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking of sweat equity versus real money versus I
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: heard autoimmune disorder. I know stress can be a big
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: trigger for that, and so those are all the things
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking, just as like I'm putting my entrepreneurial cap on.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: This is my business partner. She loves a list. She's
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: gonna list it out for you. Chase where are you
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: on this? We totally took this one over. I'm sorry.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: I love it using the guy that you're dating. What
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: is that there's some sort of financial upside to that?
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: Are like, are you saving a management fee? I'm confused
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: about that aspect. So he is a photographer videographer already
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: for his job, he works for a gym that's trying
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: to create a lifestyle brand. He's very good and he
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if we're getting a discount
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: any He's not charging us up front. He is going
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: to get a cut, and he was going to figure
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: out the ins and outs of automatic posting, timing, managing
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: our Twitter account so that we can keep you know,
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: the advertising flowing to make it a lucrative business. But
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of at the point where I'm like, if
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: if that relationship isn't going to continue, which I'm not
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: sure of yet, what does that look like if do
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: we hire him for the first shoot and pay him
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: up front and have a contract that says this is
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: all you're doing and we just use his photos, or
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: do we like let him kind of dive into the
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: whole process and like actually take a percentage of our income. Yeah,
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: I think contractually, Like you really have to have everything
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: in black and white, because you cannot be in business
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: with somebody that you just started dating. Like that is
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: not a good idea. You have no idea what kind
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: of person. You know, you don't know what happens in
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: relationships people, you know what I mean. It's just that's bad,
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: bad idea. I understand he comes with some advantages, but
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: like the legal paperwork that would be required to make
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: this sustainable is going to cost you more money than
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: you might make in the first few months of doing
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: only fans, you know what I mean, Like, you really
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: need to have it in black and white, like if
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: you stop dating or you know, like how does it work?
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: Does it work? By Like, Yeah, I love the idea
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: of doing a shoot day, and that's what you do
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: for the you know, and you sprinkle it out through
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: the rest of the month. Of course, that's the most
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: time efficient way to do it. That's how I do
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: social media, you know, that's what a lot of people
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: do for many things. But getting into business with some
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: guy that you're dating just as not a kosher idea.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: So you have to figure out a way around that
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: unless you have somebody like a lawyer that's in your
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: family or a friend of yours that's going to drop
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: this paperwork for you. That will make it very clear
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: the split that they get, and you have to have
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: like a very big boundary conversation about what happens if
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: you guys don't continue dating. It's just that's that part
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: is pretty that sounds messy. Yeah, he is a very
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: level headed person and a lovely person. He grew up
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: with two sisters and just his mom, so like he's
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: very intuned to women and I do trust him. Yeah,
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: but everyone's level everyone's levelheaded and getting until they're not.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: So just don't you can't trust that until you know
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: somebody for a long period of time, what's gonna happen? Yeah,
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: I mean just kind of looking at the low hanging fruit.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: If anonymity is really important to you, maybe there's a
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: business opportunity here that doesn't have you on camera at all.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: Like it's not necessarily as sexy quite literally, But you know,
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: you've talked about the things that people hate about doing
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: only fans. It's the paperwork, it's the d m NG,
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: it's the all this stuff that's just like hours from
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: their day. Maybe there's a business opportunity for you to
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: be the business behind only fans creators who are already successful,
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: providing these sorts of resources for them, so like they
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: can offload that stuff to you. Maybe it's for a cut.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, from what you read, a lot of a
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: lot of people on there are making gobs of money,
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: so they're not going to care what it costs just
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: to be able to offload all the business side. And
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: as you've said, you've business minds, you know how to
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: create a business plan and you know, basically be consultants. Yeah, yeah,
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: that is funny. And then I I recently at the
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: month who I really like, and I'm already thinking like
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: I'm going to tell him I'm going to do only fans.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: Like I'm kind of embarrassed, and I'm like, maybe that's
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: internally something saying more than what I'm really reflecting on. Perhaps,
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: But well, I would definitely listen to all of that,
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: you know, because that's that's what you're feeling inside, if
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: you're worried about that. But I think there might be
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: a business opportunity here. But more like what Catherine's saying, right,
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: maybe you can start a snage management company for Yeah,
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: that's a great idea, Catherine. Actually I think you should, yeah,
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: look into that. And then how would they go about that,
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: contacting people who are on only fans and like contact Yeah,
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: because I'm sure that I'm sure those people who was
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: It's Black China or something made ten million dollars a
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: month last year on only fans or something month a month.
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: Money for successful and and your your average gal like
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: non famous person. There's been girls that make up to
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: twelve fift thousand a month. Everything that I've read, that's
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: extremes and that's that's hard work, consistent posting. Yeah, I
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: just want to pay off my student loans. You're looking
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: to like a side scratch, right, like a little side hustle.
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: This sounds like if you really want to make a
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: lot of money, it's a full job, is what it's
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: sounding like. Yeah, And I just want to point out
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: your tattoo. If you're looking about remaining anonymous, we talked
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: about that, covering them up. Oh, I see, okay, And
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: then I mean I think, yeah, I don't think anyone
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: gives a ship anymore. Like if a nurse is getting
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: nude on the side, who cares? You know what I mean? Like,
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: what is that shouldn't matter. Yeah, it's not like you're
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: a congresswoman. I mean, look what they get away with.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: I know, I know, I guess nurses should get public
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: this too. We can manage that only fans for medical professionals.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: That could be your stick, that could be your you know.
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: You guys can always also like experiment. Whenever I have,
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: like a new idea or a new business idea, they
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: don't always all bloom into something amazing. You've mentioned a
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: few things that you're a little nervous about, Like you
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: could try doing a shoot, and maybe after doing one
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: photo shoot, you're like, what it turns out that was weird.
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: It was super weird that my boyfriend was seeing your nudy.
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: And we're gonna now forget that happened and we're just
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: gonna come up with a new idea. And that's okay
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: to Yeah, I do like a test shoot. See if
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: the photos even turn out. If you loved it and
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: the photos turn out great, you have them, you know,
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: But just because you do it one time doesn't mean
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: it has to be a thing you're doing or we Actually,
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: you can keep checking in with yourself, you know, keep
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: asking yourself, is this still right for me? Does this
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: still feel like a thing I want to do? Do
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: I have time for this? Is this a match? Yeah?
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: And there's also other people who know how to take
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: pictures who aren't your boyfriend. H Yeah. Yeah, I have
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: a little bit of photography experience, so I could at
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: least get like the lighting and everything. So that's what
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: we're saying, like we could do this, But I think
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: what we were trying to offload was the hours of
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: work of editing photos and posting because we do work
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: full time. So and with somebody who you like, you're
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: you're kind of trusting because you have a personal connection
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: relationship with Yeah, yeah, right. I think either way, whether
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: you decide to like do a shoot or get into
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: this full time, or maybe do some business or social
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: media management, talk to a few people who are doing this,
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: find out what the pain points are, what do they
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: love about it, what do they hate to about it?
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: And actually like rather than you know, just reading articles,
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: talk to somebody who's really doing it. You know, you
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: maybe even pay them for their time through only fans
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: as what they hate about it. End those pain points.
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: That's what is going to show you where the business
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: model is. I actually do know someone, Yeah, pretty closely,
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: that does it? Yeah? Yeah, perfect a female. Yeah, so
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: I could message her, Yeah, do some research, some information gathering,
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: and let that inform you to see if you want
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: to really take the next step. Yeah, yeah, that's great advice.
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: But I love that you girls called into the podcast
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: to see if you should go on only fans. That's
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: a or like Chelsea will tell us like it is,
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: and thank you for calling in with champagne. Ladies. We're
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: going to have a day. April lives in Napa, so
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: we're gonna go and have a day in Napa. Nice lovely.
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: Make sure to get some picture scarls. Yeah, we'll be
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: practicing after our wine tours. Perfect. Well, thanks, let us
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: know what happens. We'll do by that's really real over here. Yeah, seriously,
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: I can't believe that's our first callers that called with
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: drinks in their hand. Actually, that's actually good. Yeah. Well,
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: let's take a quick break and we'll be back to
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: wrap up with Angela and Jenna and we're back. Hi.
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: Oh guys, what a delight that was today. Angela and Jenna.
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: It was so nice having you both together and on
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: on our show. Thank you, Thank you. So much for
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: having us. I'm now going to be your best friend,
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: your other bust friend. I'm gonna be texting you where
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be emailing perfect. I love texting, I love emailing.
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: I love all of it. Amazing. Well, do either of
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: you have any advice questions you'd like to ask? Chelsea?
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: I have one. You go first, Okay, Chelsea. Ski season
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: is upon us. I am a new person to skiing
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: and I love it. My family learned how to ski
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: during the pandemic. We relocated to Santa Fe to be
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: with family. We were locked down together and I don't
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: know if you've skied in Santa Fe, but the ski
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: mountain is about twenty minutes away from town, so we
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: could go daily every other day. It was the best
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: way to learn how to ski. So I learned to
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: ski at forty seven years old and I love it.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: My kids love it, my husband loves it. I am
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: here for any skiing advice. Is there any kind of
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: ski accessory that you cannot live without? So? Which mountain
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: were you skiing? Not tos No, that's a little too
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: hard for me. We were skiing at Ski Santa Fe.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: Santa Fe has its own ski Mountain Ski Santa Fe.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: That's where I learned how to ski. Now I've sent
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: skied other places, but I'm I'm Green's and easy groomed blues.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: That's my That's where I'm at. My family is all advanced.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: Even my children are skiing blacks. Okay, I see, I see,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: I see. Well I love that. First of all, how
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: great is it to pick up something when you're forty seven.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: I'm forty seven too, and I love when people talk
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: about a new sport that they learned, because some people
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: just think it's too late for things, you know, and
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: that's never true. So that's so exciting. First of all,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: there's a great, great woman named Taras Shackty on Instagram
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: who makes these adorable ski suits. So, I mean they're pretty.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: You kind of get noticed when you're wearing them, but
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: they're fun to wear. Every once in a while, she
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: just DM me with her new winter styles or colors. Well,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: I'm definitely here for that. I got my ski pants
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: off Amazon, so I'm in. I'm in the market for
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: maybe an upgrade this year. So her Instagram is t
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: A R A s h a k t I and
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: she has the cutest snowsuits other than that, do you
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: have your heated gloves and heated boots? No, No, I
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: just shove the little handwarmers and toewarmers in. But I've
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: been wondering, I've been skeptical. Is this really a cool
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: thing to have the heated ones? Yeah, you should get mits.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: Mits keep your hands warmer than the gloves than putting
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: your five your fingers get warmer. So I have a MIT,
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: but I just put like a you know, a handwarmer
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: in the in the top. Yeah. I would get heated
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: gloves and heated boots. And it is a game changer.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: So then you like because it just as long as
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: you are comfortable when it does get really cold, that
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: will change everything. And it's so nice because if it's
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: not cold enough, you can just turn it off and
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: you don't need it. But it's such a nice luxury
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: to have. And I'm so surprised by so many people
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: on the mountain who are like, do those really work?
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, they work. I mean I ski in
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: Whistler work it gets really frigid, so you need warmth
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: and stuff. But I think that really, like, you know, comfort,
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: when you can be comfortable while you're skiing, it's the best.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: And then I would just say for a technique and stuff.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: I always someone once just told me, you know when
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: you're pole planting and learning how to poll plant, because
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: for a long time I didn't know what to do
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: with my poles. I was just like, no, I don't
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: even need them. But when you're pole planting, it's nice
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: to think of taking your poll as like getting you
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: down the mountain. You know, every time you plant, you're
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: turning down the mountain, and that way you're in control
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: of the mountain. The mountain is not in control of you.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: All right, I'm so excited. It's like it's coming up
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: and I didn't love my boots last year, or so
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to upgrade my boots. Yeah, you should
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: try and get customized boots because when then they mold
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: them to your feet and then that way you're just
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: because boots are so tricky, like if I have to
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: wear my if I have to wear any other boots
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: than my own, like when you're trekking up a mountain,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: you you have to get different boats. I can't even believe.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: I can't think of this term. What the touring? Sorry, yeah,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: I see people doing that. I don't like that. I
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: like to ride up a chairlift and then go down
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: the mountain. I don't want any exercise. Yeah, when you
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: have your own customized boots where you get molded it
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: for them, that makes the hugest difference too, because then
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: your feet and are like locked in and your ankles
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: are locked in, and the feeling of security is just
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: so much better. Okay, see, I think you know I
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: I kind of wanted to make sure before I spent
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: all that money, and I like really committed. I'm like,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: am I committed to this sport? But as Angela knows
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: I am. Now we are in. We you are so in.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: I mean we are. We watch when it's snowing and
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: we go follow the snow. We've become obsessed. So just
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: set yourself up for success. It's okay. The investment is
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: worth it always. Yeah, yeah, thank you. I love a
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: ski question. Okay, I have a question, Okay, dare Chelsey. So,
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: I had a hard time during the pandemic because I
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: love to have people over and hang and that was
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: a real hard thing for me, just missing having people over.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: So one of the things I used to do every
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: year was I had a Yankee swap Christmas party something
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: that started on the show The Office, if you watch it,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: we had this whole Christmas exchange and I decided, it's
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: like the classy what was it, Jenna's like the white
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: elephin gift, right, So I started having that party here
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: at my house and it got so rowdy and so
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: fun and people go crazy. They Jenna's gift is always
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: a big hit. You've brought the water hose one year
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: and Oscar Nunia started chan and give them the hose
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: like it's like the trade start happening and people have
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: a really good time. And I really want to bring
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: my Christmas party back this year. And I get this
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: taco guy and he's amazing. He has this whole setup.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: But I've never hired anyone to do drinks. Everybody just
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: makes their own drinks. But I really wanted to make
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: a margharita, like a great margharita and have a picture
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: of margarita's out, and I just feel like, you know
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: how to make a good margharita, And I would love
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: your MARGARITEA recipe. Oh it's pretty basic. I mean I
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: don't like them too sweet? Do you like them? So
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: I don't either I don't like sweet. That's my thing.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: And I feel like I feel like I have a
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: memory of you somewhere on a deck talking about a margarita,
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: and I was like, I want to ask her. I
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: know there's a lot of big life questions I could
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: ask you, but I really want your margarita. I like
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: Don Julio Blanco. For me, I like the silver tequila.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: I don't like smoky tequila. I like silver tequila, so
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: Don Julio Blanco is my favorite. I use tons of
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: fresh lives. They have to be fresh, squeeze lives. You
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: have to do that, like massive amounts. And I'm writing
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: this down and the way to avoid the sweetness is
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: to get you know, quantros. What makes it sweet? So
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: instead of quanto because a lot of people like a
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: little bit of sweet, I just personally don't like that.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: But what's better than quantro is just a nice gave
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: that you put a tiny bit of a gove in.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: And there's tons of different brands of organic a gave
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: that you can use. But Margarita's season is not upon
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: us yet. I haven't had margarita as yet. When this
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: Margarita season, I guess now, Oh yeah, I drink when
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: I ski, I have Margarita's. That's what I drink, Margarita's.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: I was in Spain, so they don't make margaart ITA's
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: in Spain, and anytime you try to order one, it's
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: terrible because people don't realize Spain is not Mexico. It's
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: a totally different scenario. But yeah, agave instead of quanto,
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: and then that cuts the sweet in half, and just
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: use fresh lime and never use a mix ever. Okay,
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: And and then the silver tequila is key. Yeah, Okay,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: I wrote it down. I'm very excited. I'm gonna make one.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: I'll let you know about it. Okay. Great, that's the
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: only rule of recipe I know. So I'm glad that's
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: the one, the one you asked for. Amazing. Well, thank
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: you so much for joining us. This is so fun.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: I loved it. Thank you guys so much. I just
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: love your podcast so much. Can I come back next week?
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: And I come back anytime? You girls? Thank you a
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: great gig. Oh yeah, I know we do. It's so
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  Speaker 1: much fun and we're so delighted to have you guys.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you so much. You were both such pleasures. Thank you,
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  Speaker 1: and I hope to see you both soon. I hope
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  Speaker 1: so too. Okay, I would love it. Okay, take care
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  Speaker 1: of guys. Bye bye bye. So I am winding up
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  Speaker 1: my stand up tour. Vaccinated in Horney is coming to
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  Speaker 1: last opportunities. You have to also buy merch from the
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry because they should be. I only have a
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  Speaker 1: few dates left Concord, New Hampshire, Wooster, Mass wilkes Berry, Pennsylvania.
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  Speaker 1: Wilkes Berry, Pennsylvania. There I said it, and then San
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  Speaker 1: Diego and Riverside, California, and then Baltimore, Maryland, and then
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  Speaker 1: my very last date is December six in Reading, Pennsylvania.
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