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I Know it Wasn't (S2, E20 "Help Wanted") · I Am All In with Scott Patterson

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  Speaker 1: I am all in, Kiss you, I am all in
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  Speaker 1: with Scott Patterson and I Heart Radio podcast. Everybody's Scott Patterson.
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  Speaker 1: I'm here with the team, Amy Sugarman, Daniel Romol, Riley
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  Speaker 1: pellusis Hello, Hello for another episode of I Am all In.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna recap episode twenty season to help wanted. Oh
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  Speaker 1: my god, guys, I need us all right here. I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna say something to you. I'm about to blow your minds.
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  Speaker 1: We have no idea what's coming. I wept at the
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  Speaker 1: end of the episode. It got me? Did it get you?
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  Speaker 1: Did it get you? It? I mean it was the
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  Speaker 1: floodgates opened, and I don't know, why can you explain
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  Speaker 1: this to me? Because it was a amazing scene and
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  Speaker 1: you both there was so much said and not set
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  Speaker 1: and she says it wasn't his fault, and you said,
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  Speaker 1: I know, I know it wasn't. I've been in those
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  Speaker 1: situations and it just, Oh my god. I wept. I wept.
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't believe I was welling up. I'm like, what
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  Speaker 1: is happening here? I Am being manipulated by witchcraft somehow?
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  Speaker 1: It was very, very much episode, and that was amazing
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  Speaker 1: ending because she was so Rory was so upset. Why
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  Speaker 1: is everyone blaming him? It really it struck a nerve
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  Speaker 1: because you know what she said to her mother, everybody's
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  Speaker 1: treating me like some idiot um who has no responsibility. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm sick of it because I did have some
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  Speaker 1: responsibility and why are they Why are they treating me
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  Speaker 1: this way? It just really struck a nerve with me.
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  Speaker 1: I could relate to that so deeply, and I just
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's we can't go back and do it again.
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  Speaker 1: We can't go back to two thousand and one to
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  Speaker 1: demand more scenes between Rory and Luke because that what
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  Speaker 1: what a magic combination that is because I hadn't seen
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  Speaker 1: it yet, and I don't think I had. I think
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  Speaker 1: is that the only scene I ever had with her
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  Speaker 1: where it was just the two did have the scene
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  Speaker 1: the week before where you asked her to tutor him,
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  Speaker 1: but lore I was sort of fringely in it. She was,
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  Speaker 1: she was, but he was a part of it. This
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  Speaker 1: is probably one of the first scenes I can remember
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  Speaker 1: where it's really just the two of you, no one else. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that ever happened again. And the quiet
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  Speaker 1: of that it was so minimal yeah, and what an
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  Speaker 1: energy to bring into that whole experience that she was
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  Speaker 1: going through. Luke mm because, boy, I just I forget
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  Speaker 1: the I'm beginning to understand the impact of this character.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't want to make this all about me.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot going on in that episode. I'm just
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  Speaker 1: but I just finished watching it. Heart. I guess it was. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I guess it was. And him not being there, I
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  Speaker 1: mean I really felt it, you know, And I was
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  Speaker 1: wondering if he was going to come back in and
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  Speaker 1: the anticipation of that, and there he was in a
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  Speaker 1: perfect scene. It was a perfect scene. I agree, because
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  Speaker 1: just the way she walks up and there he is,
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  Speaker 1: and there's so much unsaid that those two don't need
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  Speaker 1: to say to each other. He really is a father figure,
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  Speaker 1: it really is to her. I just wish there was
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  Speaker 1: more of it, and I don't think the impact would
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  Speaker 1: have been less if there was more Rory and Chess.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sorry. Was that a slip of the tongue.
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  Speaker 1: Don't put me on the couch, please, it's not. You know.
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  Speaker 1: It's interesting because you're typically very critical of yourself and
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  Speaker 1: you liked that scene. I love that scene. I love
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  Speaker 1: the tenderness of that scene. I love, it was just
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  Speaker 1: so tender and she was so I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 1: where's Christopher, where's her dad? Where? Where? You know? An
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  Speaker 1: I leave like gone fishing? You know, a huge sign
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  Speaker 1: that said gone fishing. It's pretty funny. But I also
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  Speaker 1: think that Rory goes to Luke because he's the only
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  Speaker 1: one that can't understand her point of view. Everyone else
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  Speaker 1: hates him, but Luke actually knows him, you know, you know.
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  Speaker 1: I also think because there is some element here. Rory
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  Speaker 1: is a strong girl who makes her own decisions, and
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  Speaker 1: she doesn't like that the town is like, oh that boy,
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  Speaker 1: that boy made you do something, and like like he
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  Speaker 1: like that just kidnapped her and help her against her
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  Speaker 1: will and forced her in the car. Like she is
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  Speaker 1: stronger than that. So I think that's also part of
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  Speaker 1: the reason why she's like, what the hell is going on?
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  Speaker 1: I told him to turn right. I don't blame her, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: now I see her point of view. It's like just
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  Speaker 1: because I'm you know, so doe eyed and and soft,
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  Speaker 1: don't mess with me, man. And I don't know. I
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  Speaker 1: think I think Laurel I was bullying her a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: That big fight at the end. Yeah, what did you
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  Speaker 1: think of that? I mean, tremendous scene, no question about it.
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  Speaker 1: I like the way they paused and sort of gathered
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  Speaker 1: themselves and said, Okay, I don't want to fight anymore.
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  Speaker 1: But this is how people, you know, I see loyalized
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  Speaker 1: point of view, I see Rory's point of view. I
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  Speaker 1: see that, I see they're both justified. And this is
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  Speaker 1: just the nature of conflict. And again, perfectly place, structurally speaking,
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  Speaker 1: towards the end and a scene of conflict and all
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  Speaker 1: this was driving This is the way to reveal information,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, that's exposition. That is Rory's character revealing
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  Speaker 1: how she feels in a in a in a heated
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  Speaker 1: scene of conflict towards the end of the piece. And
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  Speaker 1: that is a perfectly structured, perfectly placed, um scene. If
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  Speaker 1: you're going to reveal information, that's how you reveal exposition
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  Speaker 1: by the way that that is perfectly executed and perfectly structured.
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  Speaker 1: So bravo. Yeah they do. And um it was a
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  Speaker 1: really good episode. What do you think of this episode?
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  Speaker 1: I give it very high marks. You know, anything with
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  Speaker 1: a lot of ed Herman and in it is going
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  Speaker 1: to be just wonderfully entertaining, engaging. He's he's a very
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  Speaker 1: powerful presence. He's he's you know, he's he's very light
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  Speaker 1: on his feet, isn't He's a very elegant actor. He's
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  Speaker 1: even though he really he really holds the ground and
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  Speaker 1: he's he's he's very um, you know, he's so present.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's such a large but he is also
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  Speaker 1: very nimble as an accurate and and and very elegant.
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  Speaker 1: And their scenes together are just and right. And I
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  Speaker 1: loved seeing how he saw her, maybe for the first
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  Speaker 1: time since she realized her potential when she was growing up.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, finally they're bonding and he's his eyes are opening,
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  Speaker 1: and my daughter really is kind of an extraordinary woman,
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  Speaker 1: isn't she. She's so competent. And you know what I
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  Speaker 1: loved is that we didn't have to deal for very
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  Speaker 1: long with his disappointment that she was not going to
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  Speaker 1: work there with him, because I was like, oh, I
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  Speaker 1: hope they don't like the labor this and it was like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: at the party there was the assistant secretary that Lorelai wanted,
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  Speaker 1: and it was all good. And then they had that
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  Speaker 1: little like chat with each other with the lingo and
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  Speaker 1: and we were good. I was like, yeah, that's how
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  Speaker 1: it should be. But she was in the right. It's like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not like rent a secretary. Here. I got my
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  Speaker 1: own life that I built and I know you want
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  Speaker 1: this and it's all working out beautifully and you respect
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  Speaker 1: me now and you see I'm competent and you actually
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  Speaker 1: are starting to like love me again as your daughter
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  Speaker 1: and seeing me as somebody that you're not. You know,
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  Speaker 1: you're not riding me hard, you're not putting me down,
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  Speaker 1: You're not you're not giving me dirty looks anymore. You're
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  Speaker 1: looking at me with love and you're looking at me
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  Speaker 1: with respect because I'm helping you and I'm competent and
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  Speaker 1: you can see this, and you can see what I am.
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  Speaker 1: You can see that I didn't ruin my life and
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  Speaker 1: here I am. I'm Laura I Gilmore and all her
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  Speaker 1: glory helping you see your way through this, uh you know,
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  Speaker 1: post retirement resurgen business venture, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: And it was one It was one wonderful to watch it.
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  Speaker 1: And when she when she laid the law down on him, like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just here to help you for a couple of days, Dad,
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  Speaker 1: I cannot stay here, I'm not coming back tomorrow. He
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  Speaker 1: got really but hurt because he knew she was right
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  Speaker 1: and he wasn't going to get his way. Well, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he was so disappointed, just so good right, he wanted
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  Speaker 1: her there, love being around her, and then her be
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  Speaker 1: so skilled at running and office, all that experience she has,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and and the chemistry is there. We saw
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  Speaker 1: that beautiful chemistry emerge between those two without him judging her. Right,
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  Speaker 1: it's not surprising that she's so successful because he is
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  Speaker 1: so successful, but also so is Emily. Emily doesn't get
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  Speaker 1: a lot of credit, but like she puts on those
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  Speaker 1: parties and those events, that's like a full time job
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  Speaker 1: that she does. So I do think Lorela learned a
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  Speaker 1: lot from them about how to be a successful businesswoman. Well,
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  Speaker 1: she's in the perfect profession, you know, running an in
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  Speaker 1: keeping everything on time and classy, and she knows how
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  Speaker 1: to make up for flubs and screw ups and just
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  Speaker 1: send him in a free thing and a free rose
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  Speaker 1: thing and a free chocolate and a free dinner. Free,
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  Speaker 1: just go ahead and take care of him. And you
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  Speaker 1: know that's what you do. So many people don't have
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  Speaker 1: many questions. Go ahead, go ahead, let's start with everybody.
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  Speaker 1: But really this is for Scott. What did you think
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  Speaker 1: about sort of the idea that Luke went fishing he
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  Speaker 1: just had to get out. Absolutely. I mean it's it's
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  Speaker 1: the logical next move for Luke. It's like, go sit
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  Speaker 1: in nature, forget about this garbage and uh, you know, disappear.
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  Speaker 1: Go can go do his you know Henry David Threau,
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  Speaker 1: go go commune with nature. Catch a fish. Town was
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  Speaker 1: like you know what I mean. The town is lining
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  Speaker 1: up outside the diner. So it's like they're realizing, like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: this guy matters. And I think even though Lord I
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't admit it, Rory really did, Like I think that's
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  Speaker 1: scared Lord Lie like, oh god, no, this isn't my fault.
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  Speaker 1: She can't find a dead cheeseburger. She couldn't find one
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  Speaker 1: or good coffee. Yeah, So I thought it was like
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  Speaker 1: really the right move for the character. It's exactly what
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  Speaker 1: Luke would have done. It's just step away. That's Luke,
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  Speaker 1: and we knew he's coming back, Like it wasn't like
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  Speaker 1: he's left town, but like make him suffer withdrawn and
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  Speaker 1: make him suffer. Yeah, I'm sure Luke didn't have a
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  Speaker 1: great time fishing. He didn't catch them on by himself
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  Speaker 1: in nature. The fish weren't biting, not getting any nibbles.
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  Speaker 1: But you know he had to. I'm sure he got
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  Speaker 1: something out of it, right. He seemed he seemed very
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  Speaker 1: calm when he came back. He wasn't his usual self, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he did. He seems very calm, didn't he? And I
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  Speaker 1: attribute that to my high quality acting skills. Thank you
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  Speaker 1: very much. Like and gentlemen, how do you come into
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  Speaker 1: the scene important? What an important point? I'm I'm breaking
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  Speaker 1: my arms patting myself on the back, But it's really
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  Speaker 1: important that you pointed that out, because yeah, that was
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  Speaker 1: so important to that scene, to us, and so noticeable
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  Speaker 1: the scene. That scene, I mean, I know I said,
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  Speaker 1: it was so quiet. It was nice, just the two
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  Speaker 1: of them. He was calm, Yeah, and she's so calm.
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  Speaker 1: They were both calm. He you know, I don't remember
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  Speaker 1: anything about filming that scene. I don't remember that scene
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  Speaker 1: at all, and I wish I did. Yeah, I don't
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  Speaker 1: remember a thing about it. And but but now I
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  Speaker 1: can see, you know, the technique coming into play where
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  Speaker 1: I know I was asking myself all those questions, how
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  Speaker 1: am I coming into this scene, what's the demeanor? What temperature?
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  Speaker 1: Are you coming into this scene? And it has to
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  Speaker 1: be different from any other scene you've ever done, because
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  Speaker 1: you're with Rory now and it's quiet, and it's late
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  Speaker 1: at night, and you didn't catch any Fitch Fitch Fitch
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  Speaker 1: fish and certainly didn't catch any fitch um. There were
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  Speaker 1: no Fitch to be caught. I was probably Fitch to
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  Speaker 1: be tied because I didn't catch any fitch um. There
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  Speaker 1: was such an how did this turn into Dr Seuss
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  Speaker 1: all of a sudden? It's such an understanding between maybe
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  Speaker 1: the two of you as actors, but also the two
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  Speaker 1: of you as the characters. It's like Luke just gets
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  Speaker 1: it and Alory just gets it, and they're just like
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  Speaker 1: on the same page. We both love Jess, we both
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  Speaker 1: see his potential. We're both heartbroken that he's not there.
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  Speaker 1: We're both heartbroken that he got you know, stars hollow
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  Speaker 1: as a meat grinder for a guy like that, he's
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  Speaker 1: just not going to get away with that behavior. It's
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  Speaker 1: too small town, um. You know. I also think it's
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  Speaker 1: because Luke respects Rory really and truly, like he's saying,
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  Speaker 1: not only do I respect you that this isn't your fault,
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  Speaker 1: it isn't his fault, this isn't anyone's fault. This was
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  Speaker 1: an accident and no one's in trouble and no one's
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  Speaker 1: to blame and thank god, everyone's okay. Like just like that,
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  Speaker 1: like Luke isn't going to demean Rory by acting like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: you're just you know, like I said, like when youreually
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  Speaker 1: a little girl who got like, you know, tricked by
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  Speaker 1: a boy, it's like, no, Well, I think he respects
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  Speaker 1: her brain. I think they're not close enough where he
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  Speaker 1: feels like he has it's his place to get into
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  Speaker 1: close to her or too deep inside her her life
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  Speaker 1: where he is going to get judge or or you know,
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  Speaker 1: start give being his opinion, and you know he's he's
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  Speaker 1: he's at a comfortable distance I think with with Rory. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: And I think that's the way it should be because
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  Speaker 1: he's just friends with Laurela anyway. I just think he
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  Speaker 1: also I think he respects her decision making, which is
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  Speaker 1: why he is like trusting her with Jesz, like tutoring
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  Speaker 1: Jess or being friends with Jess. Whereas like let's talk
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  Speaker 1: about Taylor's reaction, like all that pub did this to you? Do?
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like, whereas no one is
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  Speaker 1: like giving Rory the benefit of the doubt, is it
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  Speaker 1: like she knew what she was doing. I gotta tell you,
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  Speaker 1: that's my favorite line in the whole thing is Taylor says,
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  Speaker 1: taking opioids like some of like those Hollywood people do.
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  Speaker 1: He gave her the face. I laughed so hard. I
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  Speaker 1: was like, Wow, he's like but that's you know, let's
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  Speaker 1: get in to that a little bit, because that's how
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  Speaker 1: people feel about Hollywood people. They do they just do, right.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not trying to stir controversy here, but
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  Speaker 1: it's it's, you know, people are tired of being preached at.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, can we just live our lives? And like,
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  Speaker 1: look what you guys are doing over there? And was
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  Speaker 1: just such a funny line. That was a great scene. Waum.
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  Speaker 1: I want to get Riley and Danielle's perspective, but I
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  Speaker 1: know that we need to you know what, the fish
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  Speaker 1: has been taken out of the bull. What the heck
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  Speaker 1: are you talking about? You know what you're supposed to do, Scott,
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  Speaker 1: The fish has been taken out of the bull. There
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  Speaker 1: you go, you know, what I'm feeling like. Let's towel
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  Speaker 1: off a little bit. Taken the ball, the eagle has landed.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: There's fish, there's eagle. What's going on? All right, everybody,
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  Speaker 1: let's let's towel off. For God's sake. I'm sweaty. I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna take this off. I wanna take a little break.
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  Speaker 1: We come back. We're gonna address one of the biggest controversies,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, uh in this episode. All right, we'll
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  Speaker 1: see in a bit. Yeah, alright, we're back, everybody. We
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  Speaker 1: are going to discuss one of the biggest controversies in
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  Speaker 1: this entire episode, which is I want all of you
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  Speaker 1: to give your opinions. Deans reaction too. I have I
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  Speaker 1: have a word or two about that. I must say,
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  Speaker 1: as a protector of Rory, I felt that his reaction
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  Speaker 1: bordered on inappropriate violence. I did. I did not feel
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  Speaker 1: comfortable with him kicking the bag like that. I did
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  Speaker 1: not feel comfortable with a six ft four, glowering, angry
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  Speaker 1: seventeen year old um going what what what and then
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  Speaker 1: kicking the back. I mean, it was like she was scared.
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  Speaker 1: She got scared, and I thought I shouldn't be laughing.
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  Speaker 1: It's just your imitation, but good acting on his part.
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  Speaker 1: Three different what's the temperature kept going up? But I thought,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if I want Rory in this situation
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  Speaker 1: with this guy reading this letter, what he's reading taking
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  Speaker 1: in it was bordering on he was going to whacker
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  Speaker 1: and and I just did not like that. I was
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: ready to jump through the screen and say, pal go away.
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  Speaker 1: What do you guys think? Did you feel uncomfortable for her?
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  Speaker 1: Slightly different perspective, I I agree with you. For two minutes,
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  Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, angsty Dean is back,
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  Speaker 1: like he is here, he is raging. But then he
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  Speaker 1: had this like weird switch and he was like, you
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  Speaker 1: know what, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna let him win.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I was saying to myself. He was like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not going to let him get the best of me.
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  Speaker 1: And then he totally was like you want roast, You
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: want to come in, you want to eat some roast.
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  Speaker 1: Like literally, the juxtaposition of like the first seconds of
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  Speaker 1: Dean to the end was so different. And yeah, he
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  Speaker 1: was insane in the beginning, but then he just had
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  Speaker 1: this like switch and I was like, oh, okay, Dean
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: like I'm going to give you props for that that
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  Speaker 1: you're going to just say, you know what, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: gonna let this get to me. You know what. I
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  Speaker 1: think that's a dialogue I had in my head. Just
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  Speaker 1: to interject here, I think he's done and I don't.
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  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know what's coming. But but I
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  Speaker 1: I seem like, no, I think that he has decided
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  Speaker 1: to move on in that moment. Am I wrong? I
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  Speaker 1: had a different take on it, But Riley, you go first.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like, I mean, and I might be in
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  Speaker 1: on this one and the same I was like for
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: one w I was like Dean Razor standards like don't
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: don't just like go have it like I would be
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: really mad, stay mad, take some type apart, think about
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: process your feelings. Don't just like come break up with
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: just do something like So, Riley, my question for you
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: there is it's not the accident that he should be
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: upset about. It's that she was like basically on a
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: date with Jess exactly he was. She was spending time
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: with Jess again alone while he was out of town.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: I would I would be like, right, you're not tutoring.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: I'm not mad at her for tutoring Jeff. That's totally cool.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: But like, right, if I was Dean, I'd be a
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: little suspect on like wait, why are you going to
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: get ice cream? And why are you driving around in
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: the car like they were on a date. So yeah,
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: my take on it is just that Dean's relieved, so
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: relieved that Jess is gone that he's just like so happy,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: like Okay, now I just get what I want. I
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: don't have to worry about this anymore. So it's like
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: he's not even like going there with the fact that
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: like she wants Jess, she wants to be with Jess,
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: she's on this date with Jess. He's just like, oh good,
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: is he gone? Like is really gone? Yeah, he's gone. Okay,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: good on some roast who believes that, like literally, I
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: was like Rory, like he Jess is coming back like
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: next weekend, you know, Like no, you don't believe that
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: she's coming back next weekend. You'll see. I'm not going
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: to say because it's so major what happens. It's I mean,
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: we're coming to the end of the season, guys. Everyone
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: has to remember we're coming to the end of the season.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: You know, you know, what's what's also notable is in
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: the arc of the series, in the narrative of the series,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: this kid's stuff is taking over, isn't it. I mean,
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: this is really becoming like kind of the thrust of
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: the show. And I know c W are at the time.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: I think it became c W after year one of
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: the series. It really exkews younger younger. They were really
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: trying to go younger, younger, younger. So it's all I
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: don't know. For me, it's a fifty fifty, a real
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: solid Gilmore girls are. Rory is half the storyline and
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: whatever is impacting her, whether it's a relationship, it could
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: be with her mom, could be with her grandparents, and
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: then lower La is really truly half the story line.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: And sometimes it's with Rory, sometimes it's with you, sometimes
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: with her significant other, her work, her parents. For me,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: it's just a perfect fifty fifty kid adult story. I
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: don't know. I think it feels to me, okay, so yeah,
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: so it feels to me like the kids stuff is
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: the A story and the adult stuff is to be
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: the adult stuff is supporting the A story. We'll gonna disagree,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna disagree, but I respect it because it's a
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: real close, real close, and it is compelling, and I
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: like how they weave it in and they don't dwell
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: on it. It's just the sort of scenes that really pop.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: They're well placed, they're well acted, they're well written, um,
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: super impactful. Speaking up, as we have all this going on,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: we have two other things to talk about, one being
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: Carol Kay. Yeah. Wow, wasn't she great? Yeah? And so
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: that was just a complete storyline in and of itself
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: for Lane that I liked. Yeah, great stuff, great stuff.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: She discovered her purpose in life. What a moment in
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: somebody's life to discover their purpose in life they want
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: to be a drummer. And what a great scene when she,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: after she excitedly explained this to to Rory, she walks
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: back inside and joins the choir, her mother's choir, singing
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Bible songs. So I thought that was really cool. And
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: then another sort of totally independent storyline was the fact
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: that Lukes's closed and off they go to the Hungry Diner,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: which I'm not even clear where the Hungry Dinner was,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: but I thought it was hilarious that Shell was there.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: I thought that was awkward. That was an awkward scene
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: for me because he was being so hostile to his
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: boss in a public place. He stood up and snootied
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: out of there without having touched his eggs. I mean,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: it's like, I think, I think there needed to be more.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: There needed to be more to that scene, or there
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: needed to be less to that scene. I did. That
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: scene did not work for me. I thought her reaction
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: was off, off the mark because she was still so
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: sunny and optimistic, and you know, she just got abused
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: by that guy, her employee. Oh but it's so him,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: and I know it's so him, and it was funny
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: in the beginning of his table, Can I have a bite?
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: And I don't want to give away my favorite line,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: but it's can I have a bite? Get away from me?
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: Like it's so good. Did you guys notice I think
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: they took it too far with the character. I think
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: they took it. That's possibly it. Did you guys notice
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: something massive in the background of the scene at the
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Hungary diner? Please tell me I've seen it. When Rory
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: and Lorel are at their table and um, they asked
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: for the bowl of coffee. I have an answer to
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: this because I did make notes on inconsistency. So you
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: just that, you know, you discuss your theories now, well,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: I want somebody to try and figure it out. I'll
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: give you a hint. Don't don't need hints. Oh well,
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: then you tell me it's not the clownfellow. Nope, this
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: is in the Hungry Diner. Richard would have liked this place.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Richard would have liked this. Oh grapefruit, yes, did you
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: see it? There's grape fruit. There was a fruit of fact.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Do you know? Do you know now I eat I
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: eat a great half a great fruit every morning now
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: because of this, because it's because of Richard. Yeah, it's
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: good for you. I love it. Yeah, so juicy. Yeah,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know what grape fruit season is. Sour for
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: the morning though. No, you can't like brush your teeth
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: right after good eye, good eye, Riley. Okay, Scott, you
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: tell us, tell us what you saw in the music
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: store seeing there was a song playing in the background, right,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: it's Wilco's heavy metal drummer, which is perfect for Lane.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Um So as a side note, you know, why don't
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: we here's an idea, though, why don't we make a
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: segment every episode and discussed the music in the show. Sure,
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: because that's that's the note I mean, is we should
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: we should be you know, discussing this. So what do
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: you think? A hundred percent? Yes, agree because music is
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: an important part of the show. It's huge, huge. But anyway,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: let's talk about Carol King and how delightful that was.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Do you remember meeting her? I? Well, I didn't see
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: her on that episode because we didn't work together. I
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: only you know when I met her. I met her
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: on the Netflix reboot. Yeah. I think she came and
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: did a day or she at least visited the set
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: one day and I took a bunch of pictures with her.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: I was all through. Yeah, yeah, it's really cool. That
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: must have been pretty major for like Keiko to be
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: able to beat in that scene King. Whoa And really
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: was she the only one in the scenes with Carol King?
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: Was Roy? Did Roy ever go inside? I don't think so. No,
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: she just she walked right by. That's pretty Major's Carol
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: King with some acting chops? What's wrong your your legs,
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: don't bend sit down, get on, get down on the
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: stole and anything. Yeah she was great, she was Yeah,
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: I was confused about that. Don't touch anything. But sit
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: down on the drum set. She's being a New Yorky salesperson, right,
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: just sit down, don't touch ye. The main thrust for
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: me was Richard and uh and Laurel I and I.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: That was wonderful. Not a lot happened in this episode.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: I mean it really just sort of moved the ball
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: forward a little bit some resolution with Dean. Jess is gone.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: We're going to anticipate him coming back. Obviously he's going
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: to come back at some point. Um, you know, Luke's
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: not there. A lot of this episode was up in
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: the air, like like Luke and Jess are gone, they're
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: not in this epo coming back to Jean's coming back,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: right right right? So, but I I thought all of
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: the Richard laurelized stuff was engaging. It was interesting. I
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: thought Sally Struthers had my comic scene in this one too,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: when she's a great monologue. Great, you know it's more
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: role victims. You know is sure they're tin and they
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: got chest hair. You could carp at the dining room
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: with you know what a line? Right, always liked she Sally. Okay,
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: so so send me the hate emails. But yeah, is
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: that of Struthers didn't deserve Emmy consideration for comedy. Are
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: you kidding me? I mean that woman can make you
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: laugh out loud, long and hard. Man. I mean she's
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: every single appearance she makes, she's hitting it out of
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: the park. Yeah. I was glad, you know, I was
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: really glad to see and it's isn't it wonderful to
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: see Richard coming back. He's he's he's coming out of retirement.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: He's back in the hunt again, and he's he closed
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: the swede. What he nailed what nailed down the swede
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: as he called it. Is that what they said, bag swede.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: It's not about bagging swedes, Laurela. It's about forming relationships
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: and doing favors for people that you know. This guy.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: I will make a quick little note that um Kelly
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: Bishop has made her appearance on Mrs Maisel and Scott Cohen.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: So Scott Cohen left the Resident. If you're wondering where
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Max Medina is, he left the Resident where he was
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: icky and now he had a scene in Mazel where
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: he was like, you know, fine, he was, he was good.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: He just plays like a rich dad who wants his
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: daughters get married. M hm. So yeah, there we're tracking
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: where Max Medina is. We actually this week have a
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: little nod to Maxi Medina or pop culture to wait
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: for that. So very satisfying episode, very attaining, very funny,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: very emotional. It was nice to see father and daughter
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: coming together. It was really nice to see Luke and
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: and Rory come together. It was almost a father daughter moment, definitely, um,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: but it was it was deeply emotional. I mean, I
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: was very surprised at how I felt at the end
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: of that episode, and I welled up, and I walked
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: into the kitchen and tears, And I said to my wife,
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: I said, that show just made me cry. She she goes,
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: buck up, soldier, get out of here. Um, what else
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: did we miss? That's what I'm checking. I'm just checking
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: my notes here. You have a clown pillow half shown
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: just the top. Really Yeah, when um Rory went to
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: go get the money underneath the rabbi pizza, it was Okay.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: I have a question before we go, Scott. Do you
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: think Luke left town because of the fight with Loralai
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: or because he was like heartbroken over the incident with
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: Jess both. Yeah, I mean he probably felt like a
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: failure on every level. He failed everybody, and now he's
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: lost his nephew. He failed at that, and now he's
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: lost his the love of his life as a friend. Maybe,
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: so he failed at that, you know, so he needed
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: he needed to go commune with nature and you know,
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: stare at his belly button and have a clubhouse meeting
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: with himself as it were, you know, and trying to
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: gather his thoughts and get his bearings back. So yeah,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: a very wise thing to do, um, because I'll tell
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: you, you you know, getting in a fight with her, jeez,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: she can bring it good. God, that's like getting in
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: the ring with a vander Holyfield. As I'm going through
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: my notes, I think we should point out this important line.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: Ma said, I'm sick of this. I'm sick of everyone
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: treating me like I'm some kind of mindless idiot being
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: led around by a guy. And I really think that's
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: so important. She was so irritated that everyone thought she
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: was a type of girl who could be you know,
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: led by a boy or swooned by a boy to
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: doing something that wasn't totally her decision. But guess what,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: that's the entire point of this show. That is why
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: Amy wrote this show, Because anybody. You know, there's been
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: shows about small towns with edgy characters, right and heartwarm
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: and lovely characters, you know, exotic characters. There's been a
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: lot of shows about that, but it's never been written
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: in the point of view of what you just stated.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: It's like, these aren't idiots, they aren't being led around
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: by men. They can do it themselves. That's the point
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: of the show. That's it. It's it's it's it's it's
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: a it's a statement of female empowerment. But we're gonna
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: put it in this little town and we're gonna put
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: it in these situations. Yeah, you know, I didn't have
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: a ton of fashion standouts in this episode. I will
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: say apologies to those falling along for fashion. I appreciate
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: someone on Instagram also trying to help me find that
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: pink dog sweater. Keep looking, keep looking for people. There's
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: there's another one. Um, well, maybe we maybe we can
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: cover this in pop culture. But Richard talks about the
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: Gary Berghoff character and Mash the Mash series, that tiny,
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: tiny little man that the anticipates, You're just like that
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: tiny little man in Mash. It anticipates Laurel covered ed
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: Herman once guest starred in a nine episode of mash.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: Oh that's a nice tippeta. I'm nervous for next week.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: Why broke me down? Made me cry? Talk about talk
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: about entertain Should I get the tissues ready for next week? Yeah? Yeah,
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: So that's when I this is what, this is what
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: happened in my life and my kind of semi retirement
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: doing a podcast. I sit around in my media room
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: in my office eleven o'clock in the morning, weeping at
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: Gilmore Girls episodes, just like everybody else. I am one
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: of you, now I was just one of you. Anyway,
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: wonderful episode, um, and we're going to wrap it up
• 35:09
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• 35:12
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