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Credlin | 4 June · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peto Krendland live on sky Ingins Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to Kredlin on this Tuesday night. I'm
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Speaker 2: Steve Price in the chair all week as Peter takes
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Speaker 2: a break. Big Dane politics again today as both the
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Speaker 2: Albanezy government and the Dutton Opposition sharpen their messaging before
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Speaker 2: the parliament breaks for winter, and we are all over
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Speaker 2: it coming up. It's costing US taxpayers forty five billion
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Speaker 2: dollars a year and has been routed from top to bottom.
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Speaker 2: The awkward question how do we pay for the NDIS
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Speaker 2: and look after the disabled without letting crooks prosper. We'll
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Speaker 2: have more on that shortly. Chris Bowen, the Climate Change Minister,
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Speaker 2: takes to writing in the Australian newspaper today attacking the
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Speaker 2: opposition's nuclear plans, and then the PM joins in today,
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Speaker 2: are we the end users who want clean, cheap hour
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Speaker 2: being told the truth? The battle The Opposition's Ted O'Brien
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Speaker 2: is fighting. He'll be on the show with us in
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Speaker 2: a moment. Recruiting foreigners to boss the defense Force. We've
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Speaker 2: heard about that all day today for the numbers they
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Speaker 2: want to increase them. Is that setting up a foreign legion,
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Speaker 2: or does it make sense to dangle citizenship in front
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Speaker 2: of someone who is prepared to join up? No better
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Speaker 2: person to talk with than Coalition MP Phillip Thompson, A
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Speaker 2: first Battalion are a veteran with tours of each teamor
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Speaker 2: and Afghanistan under his belt. And if you own a
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Speaker 2: first generation electric vehicle like a Tesla or are thinking
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Speaker 2: of buying one, think very carefully as Tesla sales tank
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Speaker 2: and Pitchers today revealed a holding yard of hundreds of
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Speaker 2: unsold Teslas in Court, Melbourne. We'll get the latest from
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Speaker 2: Canberra shortly. The budget estimates are a vital part of
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Speaker 2: our political system, where highly paid senior public servants are
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Speaker 2: required once a year a couple of times a year
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Speaker 2: to sit alongside their ministers and answer questions from all
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Speaker 2: sides of politics. Now this process delivers far more insight
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Speaker 2: into the workings of government than Question Time ever could take.
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Speaker 2: Last night, and a bloke called John Dardo. He's the
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Speaker 2: head of Fraud and Integrity of the multi billion dollar
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Speaker 2: taxpayer draining NDIS scheme dreamt up by the former Rudd government.
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Speaker 2: Now we all want to be disabled, to be able
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Speaker 2: to live a comfortable life and accept things can be
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Speaker 2: very tough for many disabled Australians. The problem is when
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Speaker 2: you set up something like NDIS and stuff it full
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Speaker 2: of cash, smart crooks will find a way to rout it.
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Speaker 2: NDIS has become a money pit, and last night we
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Speaker 2: were given a glimpse into the extent of the routing
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Speaker 2: by mister Dado. Now cop these examples that he gave.
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Speaker 2: Thanks to reporting today in the nine newspapers, Dodgy NDIS
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Speaker 2: providers are taking clients you won't believe this, down to
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Speaker 2: their local ATMs to take out cash to buy drug
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Speaker 2: like ice and heroin and cocaine. They, according to the
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Speaker 2: fraud Boss, have also gotten clients to pay with NDIS
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Speaker 2: money for holidays, for booze rent and with one bloke
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Speaker 2: using seventy three thousand dollars of ndiis money your money
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Speaker 2: to buy a car, and another spent two hundred and
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Speaker 2: forty thousand dollars on personal expenses. Mister Dado claimed five
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Speaker 2: percent of the scheme, adding up to over two billion dollars,
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Speaker 2: was being spent in error. Error is his word, I'd
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Speaker 2: say fraudulently. He said, thousands, not hundreds or dozens, but
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Speaker 2: thousands are using EDDIS funds claiming things they shouldn't be
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Speaker 2: used for. He gave the example of one NDIS client
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Speaker 2: on a four hundred and eighty thousand dollars annual plan.
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Speaker 2: You believe these figures, He would claim this person forty
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Speaker 2: thousand dollars a month, but only had monthly expenses related
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Speaker 2: to his disability of twenty thousand dollars, with the rest
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Speaker 2: going into his mortgage and his living expenses. And then
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Speaker 2: this from the public servant tracking fraud, He says, quote,
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Speaker 2: I can't tell you how much he spends. This is
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Speaker 2: the bloke on forty grand a month. I can't tell
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Speaker 2: you how much he spends on alcohol, or pets or
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Speaker 2: anything else, because there is no way to unpack that.
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Speaker 2: This is staggering stuff. That's one case, one bloke. Now
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Speaker 2: wonder we're playing forty five billion dollars a year into
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Speaker 2: this scheme. It got worse with DATO confirming not hundreds,
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Speaker 2: but thousands of participants. We're using providers to help withdraw
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Speaker 2: cash for drugs. Thousands which drugs? He said he was asked, heroin, coke, ice,
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Speaker 2: you name it, it's on the list. The Green Senator
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Speaker 2: MP Senator Jordan Steel John He objected to all of this,
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Speaker 2: complaining it was making it public would cause discrimination against
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Speaker 2: disabled people. Well that's typical of the Greens. So we
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Speaker 2: have a bloated pot of your money tipped into a
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Speaker 2: scheme that is supposed to make life better for the
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Speaker 2: disabled being raughted by corrupt providers and crooked clients. It's
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Speaker 2: out of control and poor old Bill Shorton is trying
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Speaker 2: to fix it now under Anthony Albaniz. He gave the
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Speaker 2: former labor leaders Shorten and who is a major threat
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Speaker 2: by the way internally to Albo's own leadership. Something is
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Speaker 2: hard to fix as Ndis keeps him too busy to
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Speaker 2: cause any trouble.
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Speaker 3: Australia's Defense Force will open its doors to foreign recruits
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Speaker 3: in a bid to help fix personnel shortages. New Zealanders
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Speaker 3: living in Australia for at least twelve months will be
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Speaker 3: the first in line from July and from twenty twenty five.
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Speaker 3: The Defense Personnel Minister claim this morning it'll apply.
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Speaker 4: To other five iceed countries and permanent residents from any
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Speaker 4: other countries.
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Speaker 3: Hours later, the Defense Minister was asked if it really
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Speaker 3: applies to all countries.
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Speaker 5: What we're focusing on is New Zealand, Five Eyes and
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Speaker 5: the Pacific.
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Speaker 3: Perhaps the Minister could provide us with the actual detail.
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Speaker 6: About no bounds that they won't cross in order to
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Speaker 6: run a scare campaign.
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Speaker 3: After question Time, Richard Miles's office told Sky News it
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Speaker 3: would only be Five Eyes partner countries. Peter Dutton seizing
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Speaker 3: on the confusion.
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Speaker 7: What is going on?
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Speaker 8: We're up to version four or five and we're not
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Speaker 8: even up to the nightly news.
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Speaker 1: Well, where on earth is Anthony Albanesi.
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Speaker 3: The primis to take responsibility for anything the opposition keep
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Speaker 3: the pressure on. Andrew Jarles, the Immigration Minister in question time,
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Speaker 3: seizing on these comments he made to refugee advocates back
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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty two about the plan to soften deportation rules.
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Speaker 9: And I've had close regard, particularly on the basis that
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Speaker 9: discussions with their friends in New Zealand about how this
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Speaker 9: can operate in a way that better reflects our obligation
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Speaker 9: to people who have spent the majority of their lives
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Speaker 9: in Australia.
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Speaker 10: What is Australia's obligation to foreign criminals?
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Speaker 3: Mister Giles sidestep that, revealing instead he informed New Zealand's
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Speaker 3: Deputy Prime Minister about the pending rewrite of Direction ninety nine.
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Speaker 8: I conveyed to him that Direction ninety nine has not
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Speaker 8: been working as intended and Bill.
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Speaker 3: Shorten has denied any involvement in the eyewatering salary of
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Speaker 3: one of his speech writers. Services Australia issued the six
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Speaker 3: hundred and twenty thousand dollars two year contract for Julianne
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Speaker 3: Stewart despite having more than one hundred and eighty people
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Speaker 3: in its communications team.
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Speaker 10: I had no idea what the payment was, so if
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Speaker 10: you're trying to link me to that, good luck.
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Speaker 3: At estimates a concession NDIS money has been used to
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Speaker 3: buy illicit drugs.
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Speaker 11: What types of illicit substances you name it, it's on
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Speaker 11: the list.
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Speaker 1: These are not genuine providers. These are not people that
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Speaker 1: should be in business.
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Speaker 9: Why has the minister allowed illegal drugs to be trafficked
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Speaker 9: to Australia's most vulnerable and paid for by tax payers?
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Speaker 5: But the NDIS needs to be got back on track.
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Speaker 3: Trudy Macintosh Sky News canbra.
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Speaker 2: Thanks Trudy. Now, as I mentioned at the top of
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Speaker 2: the program, Labor is planning to expand the eligibility criteria
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Speaker 2: to allow foreign citizens to join the ADF in an
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Speaker 2: effort to address the lack of recruits. Now under the plan,
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Speaker 2: first up, we're told and this has changed all day
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Speaker 2: long today. As you saw in that package there, New
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Speaker 2: Zealand is living in Australia will be able to put
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Speaker 2: their hands up. I think that's from July one, and
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Speaker 2: this morning it was reported that then permanent residents from
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Speaker 2: countries like US, Canada and the UK will also be
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Speaker 2: eligible to apply and join that five Eyes intelligence community.
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Speaker 2: Now they are then talking about Pacific Islanders and those
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Speaker 2: from PMG, But as the day unfolded, there was all
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Speaker 2: sorts of confusing messages from Labor, LMPNP and for First
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Speaker 2: Battalion RAI veteran Phil Thompson is going to join us. Shortly.
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Speaker 2: We'll talk to him about exactly what his experience was
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Speaker 2: in each team or he's just got to go off
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Speaker 2: to a double dissolution. It's a division in the parliament.
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Speaker 2: So we'll get fill on the program shortly and we'll
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Speaker 2: find out what his experience has been. I also want
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Speaker 2: to talk tonight before we we'll go back to that shortly.
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Speaker 2: I'm not a fan of electric Viga as we saw
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Speaker 2: on Chris Kenny there those amazing photographs of electric vehicles
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Speaker 2: and them are all banked up in a property in
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Speaker 2: Port Melbourne. Now the charging infrastructure, in my view doesn't exist,
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Speaker 2: doesn't work properly. And if you live in an apartment,
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Speaker 2: where do you actually charge them? And like any car
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Speaker 2: you buy, the first thing you think about is what's
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Speaker 2: my resale value? Now that holding plot in Port Melbourne,
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Speaker 2: the numbers of vehicles there that you're seeing are unbelievable.
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Speaker 2: Have a look at that. What you're seeing is a
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Speaker 2: whole complete paddock full of Tesla's, around two thousand of
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Speaker 2: them at Port Melbourne. Two thousand of them arrive in
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Speaker 2: a monthly basis and suddenly there's no market for them.
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Speaker 2: Join us on the line to try and explain exactly
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Speaker 2: what this is all about. Is car Expert dot com
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Speaker 2: dot au head of content, Scott Collie. Good to see
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Speaker 2: you against Scott. That picture is remarkable. What's going on
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Speaker 2: here with the ev market or is it confined just
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Speaker 2: to Tesla?
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Speaker 11: It looks like the world's most Pacific traffic jam, doesn't it.
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Speaker 11: It's just all one brand stuck in one spot. We're
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Speaker 11: seeing it across the EV market, and it's not just
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Speaker 11: in Australia, but Tesla is the biggest seller of electric
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Speaker 11: cars in Australia is obviously hit hard last month compared
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Speaker 11: to the year prior. Work sales were down, which is
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Speaker 11: not something we've seen recently, and in the US and
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Speaker 11: the UK there are now fears that demand is cooling
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Speaker 11: as well and car makers are changing their plans. Tesla
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Speaker 11: pumps these cars out of a factory in Shanghai, and
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Speaker 11: because demand has been so strong, this is kind of
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Speaker 11: the first time since the Model Y and the Model
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Speaker 11: three launch in Australia that they haven't just been off
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Speaker 11: the boat and straight into an owner's hands. So it's
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Speaker 11: sort of a brave new world for these EV makers
10:39
Speaker 11: as they deal with the fact that now the early
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Speaker 11: adopters have stopped buying, they need to sell to customers
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Speaker 11: that aren't necessarily desperate for an electric car, and it
10:45
Speaker 11: may be doing the maths on a hybrid or a
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Speaker 11: diesel as well.
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Speaker 1: Well.
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Speaker 2: The big brands have moved in as well. I mean
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Speaker 2: I drove recently a Mercedes electric vehicle which is based
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Speaker 2: on the E class platform of the Mercedes and it
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Speaker 2: was extraordinary piece of equipment I mean compared to a Tesla.
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Speaker 2: I mean the Tesla is like a Model T forward
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Speaker 2: compared to this Mercedes. And then you've got mass producers
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Speaker 2: like ya, you know, making really really affordable electric vehicles,
11:16
Speaker 2: and you've got the Volvos are involved in BMW. Is
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Speaker 2: that part of Tesla's problem that they never were particularly
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Speaker 2: well made?
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Speaker 1: Were they?
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Speaker 2: Scott and the rest of the community. The rest of
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Speaker 2: the motoring industry is caught up.
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Speaker 11: It's something we've been waiting for for a really long time.
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Speaker 11: And I think a lot of automotive experts when Tesla
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Speaker 11: first landed, assume that the rest of the market to
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Speaker 11: catch up quickly.
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Speaker 1: It's taken a long time.
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Speaker 11: But if you put the model wire alongside a lot
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Speaker 11: of its competitors, now Hyundai, like you said, even Subaru, Toyota,
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Speaker 11: all the way through to the big brands, I know
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Speaker 11: you love a Mercedes as well, have really compelling alternatives.
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Speaker 11: And if you are hopping out of a rav four,
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Speaker 11: for example, there is now a Toyota alternative that feels
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Speaker 11: quite similar, looks quite similar and from the same dealer
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Speaker 11: as you used to, which is obviously talking to a
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Speaker 11: very different buyer to the sort of person who might
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Speaker 11: have ordered the Tesla online and been really excited when
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Speaker 11: it showed up at a warehouse two or three weeks later.
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Speaker 11: The other thing we're seeing with Tesla is there is
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Speaker 11: a bit of worry about resale on the cars because
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Speaker 11: as demand calls, the price has been cut really aggressively.
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Speaker 1: Tesla's not the.
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Speaker 11: Only one doing this, but again because it's the market leader,
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Speaker 11: it's probably the most prominent and the model why which
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Speaker 11: is one of the cars that featured in that warehouse
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Speaker 11: there you can get for ten thousand odd dollars less
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Speaker 11: than you could at the start of this year for
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Speaker 11: a car that is fundamentally the same, So you know
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Speaker 11: full well with your merk that if you buy it,
12:36
Speaker 11: it's going to be worth something in three or four
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Speaker 11: years time. People now buying a Tesla six weeks after
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Speaker 11: they've bought it, if the price is cut by five
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Speaker 11: or ten grand, are obviously facing really steep depreciation, and
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Speaker 11: that also plays into it. It's something that brands like
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Speaker 11: Hyundai are trying to address with guarantee future value, but Tesla,
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Speaker 11: as a newer player, maybe doesn't have the ability to
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Speaker 11: do that, and it's starting to.
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Speaker 1: Buy Yeah, I see.
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Speaker 2: The Chief Operating Officer, John Ketty said, Look, the second
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Speaker 2: life of the EV is something I think we're all
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Speaker 2: trying to work out, to work our way through to
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Speaker 2: give consumers confidence that electric vehicle does have a life
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Speaker 2: beyond its eight year battery warranty. I don't think anyone's
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Speaker 2: been convinced that that's going to happen yet, have they.
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Speaker 1: Not?
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Speaker 12: Really?
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Speaker 11: And I think the unknown is always scary when it
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Speaker 11: comes to a really significant purchase, but especially at the
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Speaker 11: moment with everything so expensive, with interest rates not looking
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Speaker 11: like they're going to drop all of a sudden, people's
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Speaker 11: willingness to take the punt on the fact that it
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Speaker 11: will be worth something in a few years has died
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Speaker 11: compared to what it was a couple of years ago.
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Speaker 11: I think the other thing is there's a lot of
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Speaker 11: technology and a lot of people working on really clever
13:42
Speaker 11: ideas for battery recycling, but until we see those actually
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Speaker 11: play out, until there's examples of people who've done it,
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Speaker 11: who've made some money from their car, and who can,
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Speaker 11: I suppose, see where the battery goes after the warranty
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Speaker 11: dies in eight years time, it is a real leap
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Speaker 11: of faith and beyond the early adopters. If you're talking
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Speaker 11: about Australian families who are doing it pretty tough at
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Speaker 11: the moment, the leap of faith isn't necessarily one they're
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Speaker 11: willing to take when they know they can get a
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Speaker 11: hybrid Rev four, for example, that based on historical data,
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Speaker 11: is going to be worth a big chunk of what
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Speaker 11: they paid for it in three or five years time.
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Speaker 2: I was doing to a Mercedes dealer who deals in
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Speaker 2: second hand vehicles. He said he can't sell second hand Teslas.
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Speaker 2: No one wants to buy one.
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Speaker 11: Well, the price drop's been so significant that it kind
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Speaker 11: of makes it really hard to do because if you
14:30
Speaker 11: get a one or two year old car, and if
14:32
Speaker 11: you look at cars holes at the moment, there are
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Speaker 11: one or two year old cars listed for the same
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Speaker 11: as you'll pay for a brand new one fresh off
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Speaker 11: the boat in a week's time. So the market is
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Speaker 11: not used to such significant price cuts, and Tesla isn't
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Speaker 11: the only one to have done it. Pergo cut twenty
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Speaker 11: five thousand dollars from the price of one of its
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Speaker 11: electric SUVs early in the month. The market's not used to.
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Speaker 1: Such steep price drops.
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Speaker 11: It used to really structured model rollouts, and when a
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Speaker 11: car comes to its runout, it gets deals on it.
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Speaker 11: It's been a really i suppose, consistent process for the
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Speaker 11: life of the car. We're now facing something between the
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Speaker 11: economic conditions and the electric cars and the fact we
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Speaker 11: don't have much data about them. These car brands haven't
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Speaker 11: just seen before, and if you are a used car dealer,
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Speaker 11: uncertainty is something that again you probably don't want. And
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Speaker 11: I can understand why secondhand lots or even big warehouses
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Speaker 11: that buy cars and try to move them onto dealers
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Speaker 11: are trying to steer clear.
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Speaker 2: So at the bottom end are the cheaper electric vehicles
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Speaker 2: now in a price range that somebody who would perhaps
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Speaker 2: normally be buying a Yundai thirty or a Toyota Corolla.
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Speaker 2: Are they down at that level yet to make them
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Speaker 2: competitive for someone who's probably their vehicle budget somewhere between
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Speaker 2: twenty five and thirty five thousand.
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Speaker 11: So at the very top end of that range there
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Speaker 11: are now some options. The GWM Aura, which is a
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Speaker 11: funky looking Chinese hatchback, is around the thirty five thousand
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Speaker 11: dollar mark, depending on which state you're in it sort
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Speaker 11: of varies based on incentives, and then up from there
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Speaker 11: there's some really interesting options around the forty thousand dollar
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Speaker 11: mark as well, but I suppose if we're looking at
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Speaker 11: new cars, that's still top end money for something like
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Speaker 11: a Kia Serato or something smaller. Again, and if we
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Speaker 11: are talking about used cars, they just haven't been on
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Speaker 11: the market long enough for someone to buy a cheap
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Speaker 11: used car yet, because most of these models are only
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Speaker 11: one or two years old. I think the other thing
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Speaker 11: is that a lot of the brands that these new
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Speaker 11: cheap evs are coming from are relatively new brands to Australia,
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Speaker 11: and people are obviously buying gwms, they're buying mgs and
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Speaker 11: a whole lot of these other Chinese challenger brands, but
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Speaker 11: there aren't many options from Toyota, from Mazda, from Mitsubishi
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Speaker 11: and those brands around the thirty five thousand dollar mark.
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Speaker 11: And although there are people who are willing to put
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Speaker 11: their money where their mouth is and take a punt
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Speaker 11: on a Chinese car, and in our experience, they're improving
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Speaker 11: really quickly. Once again, it comes back to trust, and
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Speaker 11: there are plenty of people who will want to wait
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Speaker 11: until they can get something from a brand they've had before.
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Speaker 2: It's an ongoing argument. Scott Colliel is great to catch
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Speaker 2: up with you. Thanks very much for your time tonight.
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Speaker 1: Thanks Steve. Well.
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Speaker 2: Another fiery question time today in Federal Parliament. The Immigration
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Speaker 2: Minister Andrew Giles, as he should be again the target
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Speaker 2: of the opposition over that visa mess. It's almost cruel
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Speaker 2: actually watching this bloke limp through question time now Sky
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Speaker 2: News Political that it. Andrew Clenell has been watching all
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Speaker 2: of that. He joins us, Now let's beget if we
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Speaker 2: get Andrew with this foreign legion to bolster defense numbers
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Speaker 2: as far as I can work out, pretty tiny numbers
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Speaker 2: in the beginning three hundred odd. Is this a distraction
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Speaker 2: from that visa mess or a real cry for help
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Speaker 2: to sort of bolster up the numbers in the army,
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Speaker 2: the Air Force and the navy.
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Speaker 5: Well, I think it is a cry for help. I
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Speaker 5: think it shows the government's desperation in terms of defense
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Speaker 5: force numbers. But they've ever managed to botch this. They
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Speaker 5: can't take a trick. Matt ko Is, the Minister for
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Speaker 5: Defense Personnel, got up and said, from the started next year,
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Speaker 5: it'll be from every country that these people, once they've
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Speaker 5: been permanent residents for a year could come and be
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Speaker 5: members of the Defense Hors but that's not the policy.
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Speaker 5: It's New Zealand in the first instance from July, and
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Speaker 5: then five Eyes countries at the start of next year,
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Speaker 5: and then further down the track they might look at
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Speaker 5: people from other countries. So yeah, okay, maybe it's a
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Speaker 5: little bit of a distraction, but it turned out to
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Speaker 5: be an unwelcome one because the opposition just came out
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Speaker 5: and attacked that as well. Steve, It's funny too because
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Speaker 5: they've talked about Matt Ko replacing Andrew Jarals and immigration
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Speaker 5: and he's obviously had that error. Today they've talked about
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Speaker 5: Murray Watt in a reshuffle replacing Claire Oneo in Home Affairs,
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Speaker 5: but he obviously got some wrong information and kept the
18:38
Speaker 5: argument going they've been using drones to monitor migration detainees.
18:45
Speaker 5: In an interview on Sunday, so repeated the mistake. So
18:48
Speaker 5: what it shows. What it shows me is if they
18:51
Speaker 5: are going to make changes in home affairs or immigration,
18:53
Speaker 5: they need really experienced season hands from the last government
18:56
Speaker 5: like Bill Shorten and Jason Claire, people who know how
18:59
Speaker 5: to or with difficult issues and get themselves out of
19:02
Speaker 5: a Pickle and some of the inexperience of these rather
19:05
Speaker 5: junior ministers. I don't even know why immigration is junior,
19:08
Speaker 5: but it is. That's the Home Affairs shake up. I
19:10
Speaker 5: guess they just don't look up to it at the
19:12
Speaker 5: moment and that reflects badly on the government as a whole,
19:15
Speaker 5: and it means they can't get clean air on their budget,
19:19
Speaker 5: sell or other issues, and that is a problem for
19:22
Speaker 5: them in the sitting week.
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Speaker 1: Steve, take me back to Sunday.
19:27
Speaker 2: When you heard that drone comment, did you immediately go what?
19:31
Speaker 1: How come?
19:32
Speaker 7: What?
19:34
Speaker 1: Well?
19:35
Speaker 5: Andrew Giles first said it to Kira in an interview
19:37
Speaker 5: last Thursday. Was listening to the interview, but I missed it,
19:41
Speaker 5: to be honest, because he only briefly mentioned it. Then
19:44
Speaker 5: I read that he'd said it, and that's when I
19:46
Speaker 5: said what. And on Saturday the Minister's office was insisting
19:49
Speaker 5: the comments were correct, and I went to the ABF.
19:51
Speaker 5: They just wouldn't comment and said there's legislative reasons we
19:54
Speaker 5: can't comment on operational matters. So yeah, I was more fascinated.
19:59
Speaker 5: I thought, could this be true? And how would it work?
20:02
Speaker 5: And how exciting and you know, let's get the detail,
20:04
Speaker 5: but it turned out to be complete bs Steve, it
20:09
Speaker 5: was so amusing. I just see these drones hottering over
20:12
Speaker 5: people's houses trying to work out whether they've got their
20:15
Speaker 5: ankle bracelets on or not.
20:16
Speaker 2: Now I love centered estimates. There's so much more entertaining
20:20
Speaker 2: than Question Time. They give you a real insight into
20:23
Speaker 2: the government and the public service. Great entertainment. I started
20:26
Speaker 2: the show today talking about this ndis fraud Boss revealing
20:30
Speaker 2: that there are clients taking their handlers down to ATMs,
20:35
Speaker 2: the caseworkers. They get cash out of the ATM and
20:39
Speaker 2: they then buy drugs as blokes buying cars, people taking holidays.
20:45
Speaker 2: I mean, this thing is an absolute giant mess. If
20:48
Speaker 2: this is going on, and this is the fraud investigator Andrew.
20:54
Speaker 1: Yeah.
20:54
Speaker 5: So the government's argument is, well, we're identifying it, we're
20:57
Speaker 5: stopping it, we're getting money paid back. Oppositions obviously saying
21:01
Speaker 5: there's too much waste in the scheme. You've had two years,
21:03
Speaker 5: you haven't fixed it. Well Bill Shorton got up in
21:05
Speaker 5: the house and said, well you were in government for
21:07
Speaker 5: ten years and you never fixed it, and that's why
21:09
Speaker 5: this is going on. So the blame game going on
21:12
Speaker 5: between both sides, but both sides don't have the political
21:15
Speaker 5: will to really tackle the NDIS. I think Peter Dutton
21:19
Speaker 5: and his team sort of think it'll feed too much
21:21
Speaker 5: into the hard man issue. There's too many people voters
21:23
Speaker 5: now on the scheme, so they only want to tackle
21:26
Speaker 5: it at the margins. It seems Bill Short and only
21:28
Speaker 5: wants to tackle it at the margins. It was a
21:30
Speaker 5: labor scheme after all, and as a result, the whole
21:33
Speaker 5: budget gets swallowed up and the arguments come that we
21:36
Speaker 5: need to tax more. I mean, this should be the
21:39
Speaker 5: number one focus for spending waste. And these are the
21:42
Speaker 5: most extreme examples that we heard and shocked me, and
21:45
Speaker 5: not much shocks me these days, Steve, I've got to
21:47
Speaker 5: tell you, but I think there's much more to it.
21:51
Speaker 5: You know, there's no means testing of it. It's completely uncapped.
21:55
Speaker 5: The various conditions have gone wider and wider and wider.
21:58
Speaker 5: It's not just for the profoundly disabled. State governments have
22:02
Speaker 5: dropped their bundle in terms of support services. As a result,
22:05
Speaker 5: the federal government's trying to get a deal with them
22:07
Speaker 5: to reinstate some of them. But there needs to be
22:10
Speaker 5: a real political will about this and by partisanship would
22:13
Speaker 5: be handy. But if not, I think Peter Dutton should
22:16
Speaker 5: run with the policy to cut it, to properly cut it,
22:18
Speaker 5: just have a go because this is really important for Australia,
22:22
Speaker 5: for our economic future and for the budget's future.
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Speaker 1: And I suspect we won't.
22:29
Speaker 5: See political will because the last few elections apart from
22:32
Speaker 5: twenty thirteen, it's pretty much been either side of a
22:36
Speaker 5: small amount, either side of a majority government or a
22:38
Speaker 5: minority government in Australia. The closer elections get, the less
22:43
Speaker 5: political will there is full meaningful reform. Yeah, well, you know,
22:48
Speaker 5: I agree with you completely there because if you criticize it,
22:51
Speaker 5: even if you're sitting in your chair there or mine
22:54
Speaker 5: here and you question why we're spending forty five billion
22:58
Speaker 5: on NDS and how it's being rotted, there's a section
23:02
Speaker 5: of the community and the Greens senator he weighed in
23:07
Speaker 5: last night in Senate estimates, you're seen as bagging disabled people,
23:12
Speaker 5: which you're not doing at all. I mean, the genuine
23:15
Speaker 5: disabled are using this scheme in the way it was designed.
23:21
Speaker 5: But once you put them as you know better than anyone,
23:23
Speaker 5: andrew a big pot of government money on the table.
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Speaker 2: And it's there permanently, there'll be crooks, will work out
23:30
Speaker 2: how to get their hands on it.
23:33
Speaker 5: It's just through so many facets of the scheme. It's
23:36
Speaker 5: not just these extreme examples. It's also if there's an
23:41
Speaker 5: NDIS product that gets marked up because the supply knows
23:47
Speaker 5: and I've reported on that before, the supply knows the
23:51
Speaker 5: NDIS is paying for it, not just a punter. So
23:55
Speaker 5: there just needs to be reform across the board. I
23:57
Speaker 5: actually think shortens trying, but I just don't think the
24:01
Speaker 5: will is there on either side, including in the government,
24:04
Speaker 5: to really do something controversial on it, and.
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Speaker 1: It requires that.
24:08
Speaker 5: Frankly, with these things, you often find, Steve that it
24:11
Speaker 5: requires a labor government to do it because you wouldn't
24:16
Speaker 5: expect them to do it, and so they have an
24:18
Speaker 5: ability to get past the advocates and do some of
24:21
Speaker 5: the tough things kind of on.
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Speaker 1: The left if you like.
24:27
Speaker 5: But you know, they're just struggling to win the next election,
24:31
Speaker 5: so why would they go too hard on it? Would
24:34
Speaker 5: be the political view, But something's got to be done.
24:37
Speaker 5: I mean, we all hate the waste of taxpayers money.
24:41
Speaker 5: We see that spending by government is affecting inflation and
24:45
Speaker 5: we need inflation down.
24:46
Speaker 1: There's just so.
24:47
Speaker 5: Many reasons, even political reasons, to go ahead and tackle
24:52
Speaker 5: this scheme and to ensure as well that you know,
24:57
Speaker 5: at one point or another the whole thing doesn't fall
25:01
Speaker 5: apart and the profoundly disabled just get left out. Then
25:04
Speaker 5: that's actually Shorten's warning as he tries to undertake reform. Yeah,
25:09
Speaker 5: poor old Bill Shorten, you could understand why he'd feel
25:13
Speaker 5: a bit paranoid at the moment Andrew someone leaks the
25:16
Speaker 5: fact that he's got a speech right being paid six
25:18
Speaker 5: hundred grand for over two years. Then he gets an email,
25:23
Speaker 5: presumably from the PMO saying we'd like you to go
25:26
Speaker 5: to Ukraine attend or go to Switzerland attend a peace
25:30
Speaker 5: conference about the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Why would you
25:34
Speaker 5: send the ndis minister, who's trying to fix that mess
25:37
Speaker 5: up to something where the foreign minister should be Well,
25:42
Speaker 5: i'll tell you why, because the Chinese premier is here
25:44
Speaker 5: at the time, So albanezy Wog and Miles or want
25:48
Speaker 5: to be here for that meeting and think it's more
25:51
Speaker 5: in terms of Australia's interests closer regionally, it's the INDO Pacific,
25:57
Speaker 5: but it is a puzzling choice. I guess they took
26:01
Speaker 5: the view though, that that's someone of greater status than
26:03
Speaker 5: an assistant minister like Tim Watt's assistant foreign minister. And frankly,
26:08
Speaker 5: you know, they probably need Penny Wong's diplomatic skills for
26:12
Speaker 5: that Chinese visit, and that's the assessment that they've made.
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Speaker 2: Andrew Dennell, thank you, mate, it was good to catch up.
26:19
Speaker 5: Thanks Steve good Oni.
26:22
Speaker 2: Well coming up after the break holding joined by Chris Hulman,
26:25
Speaker 2: will be really looking forward to that. We're going to
26:26
Speaker 2: talk about that contract for Bill Shorten's speechwriter I just mentioned,
26:30
Speaker 2: and I'll get his take.
26:32
Speaker 1: Chris's take also.
26:33
Speaker 2: On the ndis funding roads plus plenty to discuss with
26:36
Speaker 2: our international panel tonight, including some extraordinary scenes featuring Donald Trump.
26:47
Speaker 2: Welcome back to Steve price In for Peter Kreblin, who
26:50
Speaker 2: knew that speech writers were paid so much money. News
26:53
Speaker 2: yesterday leaked that Bill Shorten has a speech writer is
26:56
Speaker 2: expected to be paid six hundred and twenty thousand dollars
27:00
Speaker 2: over a two year period. Her name is Julian Stewart.
27:04
Speaker 2: She must be very good, and I don't blame her
27:06
Speaker 2: for taking the salary. She's already been paid four hundred
27:09
Speaker 2: and forty thousand under this contract, which is set to
27:13
Speaker 2: end in September. According to Liberal senator Maria Kovich, senators
27:18
Speaker 2: are only earning themselves two hundred and thirty thousand dollars
27:21
Speaker 2: a year. Joining me to discuss this and more, Sky
27:24
Speaker 2: News contributor Chris Ulman, Chris, great to see you. Was
27:27
Speaker 2: this advertised this job and if so, why didn't you
27:31
Speaker 2: and I apply?
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Speaker 6: I think I say the same thing. We're clearly in
27:35
Speaker 6: the wrong gig, Steve, because that sort of money you'd
27:37
Speaker 6: kill for that, wouldn't you say? Six hundred and twenty
27:39
Speaker 6: thousand dollars over two years? And one of assumes that's
27:41
Speaker 6: probably not her only contract, that she might have more
27:43
Speaker 6: on the go. So good luck to her, as you say,
27:46
Speaker 6: being paid for by the department. But some of the
27:48
Speaker 6: other things that Department of Services Australia said are even
27:51
Speaker 6: more disturbing. They said that there are two hundred people
27:53
Speaker 6: in their media section at the moment they had market failure,
27:56
Speaker 6: they couldn't find one of them, and some of them
27:58
Speaker 6: paid upwards of one hundred and forty thousand dollars a
28:00
Speaker 6: year capable of writing speeches for the minister. And can
28:03
Speaker 6: I say that's of a part with things that I've
28:05
Speaker 6: heard around this town for a long time that the
28:08
Speaker 6: standard in the bureaucracy of English is so poor as
28:11
Speaker 6: to be completely visible that some of it's completely unserviceable.
28:15
Speaker 6: So there are lots of things to be disturbed about
28:17
Speaker 6: in this story. Step possibly least of all of them
28:20
Speaker 6: is that we're not getting that money.
28:23
Speaker 2: You and I can go back a long way and
28:25
Speaker 2: we remember there has been some extraordinary speech writers who
28:28
Speaker 2: worked in Parliament, mostly for prime ministers. I mean, I
28:32
Speaker 2: was unaware that these departments have such big media sections now.
28:38
Speaker 2: I mean the public service is certainly is it not
28:42
Speaker 2: an area where if you are an incoming government you
28:45
Speaker 2: want to crack down on spending that that's one of
28:48
Speaker 2: the places you might start.
28:51
Speaker 6: By Steve, I think it's completely out of control, and
28:53
Speaker 6: particularly the communifications parts of these departments now, where there
28:57
Speaker 6: are hundreds of people in the Apartment of Defense, for example,
28:59
Speaker 6: is another one. But you try asking a question and
29:02
Speaker 6: getting an answer out of the Department of Defense and
29:03
Speaker 6: you'll find it very difficult. In the olden days, you
29:06
Speaker 6: used to know the name of the person who held
29:07
Speaker 6: that job. Well, nowadays it's media at you know, pick
29:10
Speaker 6: your department dot gov dot au and you send it
29:13
Speaker 6: off into the void and hope that you might get
29:15
Speaker 6: a response. And I think they may make being anonymous
29:19
Speaker 6: actually part of their jobs now so they don't actually
29:21
Speaker 6: have to answer questions.
29:23
Speaker 1: So across the entire bureaucracy.
29:24
Speaker 6: And not only that, the level of payments that we
29:27
Speaker 6: pay out to our bureaucrats compared to what they get
29:30
Speaker 6: around the rest of the world. And I used to
29:32
Speaker 6: make a habit of looking at what was and this is,
29:34
Speaker 6: you know, it's a government business. But the Australia Post
29:37
Speaker 6: payments therefore you went up to about six million dollars
29:40
Speaker 6: the managing director of Australia Post. They would argue that
29:42
Speaker 6: they needed to basically be competitive. Well, the competitor in
29:46
Speaker 6: the United States at the time is getting around about
29:48
Speaker 6: three hundred and twenty US three hundred and twenty thousand
29:50
Speaker 6: dollars US.
29:52
Speaker 1: So I think that there is there's.
29:53
Speaker 6: An issue here with the amount of money that the
29:55
Speaker 6: bureaucracy gets paid. And it's a public service, they should
29:59
Speaker 6: be able to get those services for a lot lesson
30:01
Speaker 6: they're getting.
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Speaker 2: Them now, Chris, speaking about spending NDIS, we spoke about
30:06
Speaker 2: it at the beginning of the program. I think in
30:07
Speaker 2: the budget now it's something like forty five billion a year.
30:10
Speaker 2: It's the second biggest spend the federal government has. It
30:15
Speaker 2: was borne out of that infamous Kevin Rudd sit down
30:18
Speaker 2: on the floor with Butcher paper meeting and it had
30:20
Speaker 2: the right spirit about it. And none of us want
30:23
Speaker 2: to criticize proper spending on people with disabilities, but the
30:27
Speaker 2: rauting that's going on in this thing now is completely
30:31
Speaker 2: out of control, where you've got clients going down with
30:34
Speaker 2: their case managers to ATMs to withdraw cash to buy drugs.
30:38
Speaker 2: I mean, that's just a complete scandal, Chris. I mean,
30:42
Speaker 2: poor old Bill Shorten's got to try and sort it out,
30:44
Speaker 2: but he's had two years and the incompetence continues.
30:49
Speaker 1: Look and the figures are staggering.
30:51
Speaker 6: Like so last night was said it's five percent of
30:54
Speaker 6: the total spend, two point five billion dollars probably which
30:57
Speaker 6: has been completely misallocated, and it's going tominals in some circumstance.
31:01
Speaker 1: And you said it earlier. Anytime you pile.
31:03
Speaker 6: Up a great big stash of government money, the criminals
31:06
Speaker 6: will come looking for it, and unfortunately, in this circumstance too,
31:09
Speaker 6: it has the added horror of the fact that it
31:12
Speaker 6: will be people who are disabled who are being exploited
31:14
Speaker 6: by them. But there's a real boundary issue with this
31:17
Speaker 6: and that goes back to its formulation. You talk about
31:19
Speaker 6: the Butcher's Paper, but one of the organizations I hold
31:22
Speaker 6: responsible for this too is the Productivity Commission, and it
31:24
Speaker 6: has good iterations in the olden days when it was
31:26
Speaker 6: supposed to run a ruler over these things.
31:29
Speaker 1: Its report on what would happen with.
31:30
Speaker 6: The NDIS would be would be such a boon for
31:33
Speaker 6: society that we would actually end up making money out
31:35
Speaker 6: of it. And I remember at the time thinking that
31:37
Speaker 6: that was highly unlikely. And what we saw was at
31:40
Speaker 6: the outset, the boundaries of the system were never properly defined,
31:43
Speaker 6: and people with very mild problems indeed were allowed.
31:47
Speaker 1: Into this system. And that's what's blown it out. Now.
31:49
Speaker 6: Once you've given people something, steve, it's very hard to
31:52
Speaker 6: take it off them. So winding this thing back will
31:55
Speaker 6: be an extraordinary job for anyone.
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Speaker 2: With you, with all your experience and observing camera, have
32:04
Speaker 2: you ever seen a minister hang on as grimly as
32:09
Speaker 2: Andrew Giles, And why do you think he's being protected?
32:14
Speaker 1: Well, the night is short.
32:17
Speaker 6: The list is long of all of those who've caused
32:19
Speaker 6: trouble for their governments in the past, and certainly Andrew
32:21
Speaker 6: Giles is causing trouble for his prime minister at the moment,
32:24
Speaker 6: and the Primemist would be holding on to him for
32:26
Speaker 6: the same reason that every other prime minister before him has.
32:28
Speaker 6: They do not want to give He does not want
32:30
Speaker 6: to give the Liberal Party the Opposition any kind of
32:34
Speaker 6: win on this at the moment. But if the bleeding
32:36
Speaker 6: gets bad enough then eventually the prime Minister will act.
32:40
Speaker 6: But you know, you don't have to be an incompetent
32:41
Speaker 6: minister to do damage to the government. One of the
32:43
Speaker 6: ones I thought that did most damage to his government
32:45
Speaker 6: rolls back to two thousand and seven when Chris Evans,
32:48
Speaker 6: who was then leader of the Opposition in the Senate
32:50
Speaker 6: and he was responsible for immigration at the time, he
32:55
Speaker 6: unwound the Howard government specific solution and said it was
32:58
Speaker 6: one of the best days of his life, the best
33:00
Speaker 6: things he'd ever done in public policy. Well, look at
33:02
Speaker 6: the outcome from that, Steve, and I don't think that
33:04
Speaker 6: Chris Evans was in any way incompetent, but that's one
33:07
Speaker 6: of the biggest public policy disasters that faced the Right government,
33:12
Speaker 6: of course ended up unseating it.
33:15
Speaker 2: Never a dull day in Canberra, Chrystal, was a pleasure
33:17
Speaker 2: to catch up with him, my friend. Thanks a lot,
33:19
Speaker 2: Chris Julman there. You'll see him up with us next
33:22
Speaker 2: weekend on a regular chat with Peter Credlin. Coming up
33:26
Speaker 2: after the break, Chris Bowen declares the next election it's
33:30
Speaker 2: going to be a referendum on nuclear power. Shadow Minister
33:33
Speaker 2: for Climate Change and Energy Ted O'Brien will join me
33:36
Speaker 2: with his response to pick apart that column that was
33:39
Speaker 2: written today, plus plenty to discuss with our international panel,
33:42
Speaker 2: including some extraordinary scenes featuring Donald Trump. Welcome back, Step
33:52
Speaker 2: Price in for Peter Now climate Change and Energy Minister
33:54
Speaker 2: Chris Bowen. He's now again taking aim at the coalition's
33:58
Speaker 2: nuclear energy policy. Piece in the Australian newspaper today Now
34:02
Speaker 2: he writes the next election will be partially a referendum
34:06
Speaker 2: on nuclear power and claims the coalition's nuclear facts don't
34:09
Speaker 2: match global reality. Well, I'd like to quer eat mister
34:13
Speaker 2: Bowen on some of the facts. For more of this,
34:15
Speaker 2: we're joined by the Shadow Minister for Climate Change and Energy,
34:18
Speaker 2: Ted O'Brien. Good to see you again. Like me, you
34:21
Speaker 2: would have read that column today. He takes a shot
34:24
Speaker 2: at you in question time today as well. Let's have
34:26
Speaker 2: a look at that.
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Speaker 13: There's a certain irony here. The architect, architect of the plan,
34:34
Speaker 13: architect of the plan number for fair fact says, we
34:37
Speaker 13: haven't seen the modeling. Well, we haven't seen the opposition's policy.
34:40
Speaker 13: Ee them, mister speaker. Now that takes some hootsbar. That
34:44
Speaker 13: takes all. I've seen some hoodsbar in my time in
34:46
Speaker 13: this place. But that takes a yellow cake, mister speaker,
34:49
Speaker 13: hoosbar takes a yellow cake because there's an opposition which
34:53
Speaker 13: is training the Australian people with contempt.
34:57
Speaker 2: Well said, they find that all very funny. But bowing
34:59
Speaker 2: in that colin today says, look, Germany and Italy are
35:02
Speaker 2: examples of nations which have moved away from nuclear power.
35:05
Speaker 2: He fails to mention I did a bit of checking
35:07
Speaker 2: on this today, but you can clear it up for
35:09
Speaker 2: me that those countries, when they're short on renewables, don't
35:13
Speaker 2: they import electricity from nuclear powered France.
35:19
Speaker 8: You spot on there, Steve. And so what we've seen
35:22
Speaker 8: from Chris Bowen today is a mix of distortion of
35:26
Speaker 8: the truth and deflection from his own performance. But when
35:31
Speaker 8: it comes to the distortion of the truth, you're right.
35:35
Speaker 8: A big point he's sought to make this week has
35:38
Speaker 8: been that Germany and Italy don't use nuclear energy, but
35:43
Speaker 8: in fact he is wrong. In fact they do. They
35:46
Speaker 8: draw on France's electricity, France, of course being a nuclear
35:52
Speaker 8: predominant source, so they do use nuclear energy.
35:58
Speaker 1: He is factually wrong.
35:59
Speaker 8: I mean, Lance and France would be delivering electricity probably
36:04
Speaker 8: to the churn of abound sixteen terrawa hours, to the
36:08
Speaker 8: likes of Germany and Italy. So to put that in perspective,
36:11
Speaker 8: probably the same equivalent to the amount of coal used
36:14
Speaker 8: in New South Wales is the amount of electricity that
36:19
Speaker 8: the likes of Germany and Italy import from France, which
36:23
Speaker 8: is predominantly nuclear. But this is what we see from
36:26
Speaker 8: Chris Gowen and from labor a distortion of the truth.
36:31
Speaker 2: It just makes this stuff up and he presumes that
36:33
Speaker 2: no one can bother to check it. I was in
36:35
Speaker 2: Italy last year and I checked out the cost of
36:37
Speaker 2: electricity in Italy, which of course walked away from nuclear.
36:41
Speaker 2: There was a left leaning government and they decided that
36:44
Speaker 2: it was all too dangerous and so they went held
36:47
Speaker 2: to leather into renewables, covered beautiful Italy with wind turbines
36:51
Speaker 2: and they've got a bit of hydro as well. But
36:54
Speaker 2: it's the most expensive electricity ted is it not?
36:56
Speaker 1: In the EU?
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Speaker 8: There's no doubt that as you look right across the world, Steve,
37:03
Speaker 8: those countries that have nuclear energy as part of a
37:07
Speaker 8: balanced mix have lower electricity prices. And a part of
37:11
Speaker 8: that is because you have this zero emissions energy source
37:15
Speaker 8: that keeps the lights on, it provides twenty four to
37:18
Speaker 8: seven base load power, and it can work in partnership
37:22
Speaker 8: with other forms of energy. The problem is labor just
37:26
Speaker 8: refuses to learn the lessons from overseas. Yet here in Australia,
37:29
Speaker 8: every day Aussie families, everyday business owners, they are paying
37:34
Speaker 8: among the highest electricity prices in the world. But labor
37:39
Speaker 8: is refusing to learn the lessons from overseas. Only with
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Speaker 8: a balanced mix of technologies, including zero emissions nuclear energy,
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Speaker 8: can you get those prices down. So crack as many
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Speaker 8: jokes as you want, given up a cut in the
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Speaker 8: parliament have a giggle from the backbench. But I tell
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Speaker 8: you who is not laughing the people at home who
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Speaker 8: can't pay their bills. We've got the five hundred families
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Speaker 8: a week a week since Labor came to office going
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Speaker 8: on hardship arrangements with their energy retailer. People are doing
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Speaker 8: it tough out there, Steven. So you know, I don't
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Speaker 8: really think people are laughing about this.
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Speaker 2: No, they're not laughing about it. And mister barn would
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Speaker 2: do well to do a bit of research. TEDA was
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Speaker 2: pleasure to catch up with you. Thank you very much,
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Speaker 2: Ted O'Brian there now after the break, Nigel Ferras talking politics.
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Speaker 2: He decides he's going to stand for the upcoming UK elections.
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Speaker 2: Thus extraordinary scenes as Donald Trump attends the UFC as
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Speaker 2: a convicted felon. Our panel up next, Welcome back, Let's
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Speaker 2: bring our international panel in tonight Sky News contributor Koshagada
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Speaker 2: and former Labor MP Michael Danby Kosher Michael, welcome, great
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Speaker 2: to see you.
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Speaker 1: Thanks.
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Speaker 2: Can we start with Nigel Ferras. He's decided to stand
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Speaker 2: for the UK's upcoming general election. I think it was
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Speaker 2: a bit of a surprise announcement. Here he is today
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Speaker 2: telling the world he was going to do whatever he
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Speaker 2: can to disrupt things.
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Speaker 12: So I'm coming back as Leader of Reform UK, but
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Speaker 12: not just for this election campaign. I'm coming back for
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Speaker 12: the next five years. And there is one very simple
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Speaker 12: reason for that. We all know already that the Conservative
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Speaker 12: Party will be in opposition, but it won't be the opposition.
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Speaker 12: They are incapable of it. They've spent most of the
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Speaker 12: last five years fighting each other rather than standing up
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Speaker 12: and fighting for the interests of this country.
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Speaker 2: Well, Michael, for I just hoping to pick up disillusioned
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Speaker 2: voters from our guess, from both the Conservatives and Labor.
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Speaker 2: Is he going to do that?
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Speaker 4: He changed his mind just recently. He wasn't running just
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Speaker 4: a few days ago, but he's changed his mind because
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Speaker 4: the polling for the Conservative is so catastrophic. He thinks
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Speaker 4: that in England and in the Southeast in particular, that
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Speaker 4: he'll be able to pick.
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Speaker 2: Up lost already.
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Speaker 4: Well, the polling says that the Conservatives may only get
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Speaker 4: seventy five seats. But it's not just him picking up
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Speaker 4: seats in the Southeast. It's up that mad George Galloway,
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Speaker 4: the far left and Islami's vote in the industrial northeast
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Speaker 4: that might do well too, coach of.
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Speaker 2: We took Trump in a moment, but is Niger for
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Speaker 2: us trying to be a mini Trump.
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Speaker 7: Some actually say that the Trump movement and that whole
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Speaker 7: thing was inspired in some ways by what he did
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Speaker 7: and brexits. I think they're all mirroring each other, and
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Speaker 7: as they are more and more disaffected borders across the
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Speaker 7: Western world, you're going to see versions of that, I
40:33
Speaker 7: think continue to grow.
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Speaker 2: So he will have some sort of an impact on
40:36
Speaker 2: that vote, you would think.
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Speaker 1: I think so.
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Speaker 7: In the seat he's running for Clacton, there's a precedent
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Speaker 7: there of a former lexton Claxton Clacton.
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Speaker 2: I'm not sure.
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Speaker 4: Somebody who I didn't watch Steptoe and Son enough.
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Speaker 2: He's a character, He's a real character. Let's talk about
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 2: He's a convicted felon, as we know, someone listed on
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Speaker 2: a bunch of countries today where he now can't travel to,
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Speaker 2: including Australia. I don't think Donald Trump's got much of
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Speaker 2: a plan. Come here guilty verdict? What does that actually
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Speaker 2: mean for him? Does it mean? As many commentators are
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Speaker 2: saying that his pole numbers go through the roof.
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Speaker 7: This is the sixty nine or seventy two million vote
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Speaker 7: question that everybody's waiting for. Look, this thing will likely
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Speaker 7: get overturned on appeal, but not before the election. That
41:18
Speaker 7: was probably by design to his base. It's made him
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Speaker 7: a martyr. Beyond a martyr, it's actually made him a
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Speaker 7: revolutionary in some ways, and you're seeing that with the
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Speaker 7: heroes welcome he came to, with the UFC and other
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Speaker 7: things like that that we can glean from the calculus.
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Speaker 7: On the other side, though, is that there's some swath
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Speaker 7: of the electorate, suburban moms, left leaning independents who don't
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Speaker 7: love Biden and might have considered Trump, but they won't
41:39
Speaker 7: now because those words convicted Felon is just a bridge
41:42
Speaker 7: too far for them to get over. And which group
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Speaker 7: is more potent as anybody's guests.
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Speaker 2: Michael, we know that a lot of Americans don't vote
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Speaker 2: because it's not compulsory. There was some theory that those
41:52
Speaker 2: are that don't vote may come out in bigger numbers
41:57
Speaker 2: and support Trump because of what the New York callt
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Speaker 2: have done to him. This whole thing that Americans in
42:02
Speaker 2: Middle America hate, what the swamp and the elites in
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Speaker 2: New York do to people like Trump.
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Speaker 4: Well, I think Kosher's focused on the right people, the Centrists,
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Speaker 4: the independence in the middle. Some say that it hangs
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Speaker 4: on four thousand swing voters in the seven Swing States.
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Speaker 4: Steve so. I don't know how legal injustices affect them,
42:24
Speaker 4: but I think the fact they didn't let that bloke
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Speaker 4: from the Federal Electric Commission in the Clinton administration appear
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Speaker 4: before the court don't seem a bit crooked to us Australians.
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Speaker 2: Kosher of July eleventh sentencing, Does he go to jail?
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Speaker 7: You know, nothing can be put past.
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Speaker 2: Surely that would be one of the most extraordinary things.
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Speaker 2: He would be danby in particularly he is a bit
42:46
Speaker 2: older than us, but we've all witnessed incredible things in
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Speaker 2: our lifetime. This would be one of the most incredible.
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Speaker 7: It really would be. But if you think about it,
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Speaker 7: you know, he's the only president who's been impeach twaice,
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Speaker 7: the only president whose private residence has been readed with
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Speaker 7: armed fba who are given authority to use lethal force,
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Speaker 7: the only one who's been charged with criminal convictions over
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Speaker 7: a bookkeeping error, and the only one who was convicted
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Speaker 7: on that, So if you keep bridging that gap, you
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Speaker 7: know it wouldn't be outside the realm of possibility. Though
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Speaker 7: I think it's unlikely. There could be other versions of it,
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Speaker 7: like putting him under house arrest, for example, so it's
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Speaker 7: not jail, but it would still impede him from campaigning. Really,
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Speaker 7: it could be anybody's guess.
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Speaker 4: And in the thirties stay from Earl Long the Louisiana
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Speaker 4: and ran for the governor from the steps of the
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Speaker 4: state mental institution as they call it in the United States.
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Speaker 1: Coach.
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Speaker 2: Just finally, the Hunter Biden thing. Is that affecting Joe
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Speaker 2: at all?
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Speaker 7: I think it will, just because you know it's not
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Speaker 7: about Hunter Biden, but through that the course of that trial,
43:44
Speaker 7: you're going to see other dirty laundry from that family
43:46
Speaker 7: come out. And Hunter is a hot mess. So there's
43:49
Speaker 7: lots of things that come out.
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Speaker 2: And Mom came out to Dine said always, yes, son,
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Speaker 2: we might be the president. We love him.
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Speaker 7: It'll tar him and it just creates more noise about
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Speaker 7: the character of the Biden family and by extension, Joe.
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Speaker 7: So I do think it'll play some role.
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Speaker 2: We are in for one hell of a roller coaster Michael,
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Speaker 2: thank you for both thanks coming in. That's our panelful tonight.
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Speaker 2: Now coming up character, courage and Canada. The most important
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Speaker 2: thing in foreign leaders but the United States the second
44:15
Speaker 2: age of Trump. I wanted to show you that vision,
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Speaker 2: but we've run out of time. Sadly, earlier we lost
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Speaker 2: Phil Thompson to the dreaded Canberra Bills in Parliament. We
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Speaker 2: managed to get him back and I need to talk
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Speaker 2: to him because it's about this bizarre ADF move.
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Speaker 1: Phil.
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Speaker 2: Do you understand exactly what the government's trying to do here?
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Speaker 2: Is Defense that desperate that we have to go out
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Speaker 2: and create a foreign legion? And is it a good idea?
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Speaker 10: I don't think anyone knows what the government's trying to
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Speaker 10: do here. You've got Matt Keo, who apart from Veterans Affairs,
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Speaker 10: is the Minister for Defense Personnel, who has carriage over
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Speaker 10: this said that we'll take people from not just five
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Speaker 10: eyes countries, the Pacific and all around the world. And
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Speaker 10: then you've got his dad in Richard Marles, coming out
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Speaker 10: haveing to clean it up and say, oh, no, no, no,
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Speaker 10: we didn't mean that. It's it's now just the five
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Speaker 10: biased countries. That's not what we should be focused on.
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Speaker 10: We should be focused on why is Australians not wanting
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Speaker 10: to join the ADF and why can't we keep them
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Speaker 10: in uniform? Where the Australian Defense or was with the ADF,
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Speaker 10: not the DF. So we need a government that focuses
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Speaker 10: on the reasons for this, not wasting their time in
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Speaker 10: a Canberra bubble sitting with generals having tea and SCons
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Speaker 10: talking about this future that they want to bring all
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Speaker 10: these foreign people in to do. I want to see
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Speaker 10: them out speaking of soldiers and go, how do we
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Speaker 10: keep you?
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Speaker 1: How do we get more of you?
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Speaker 10: Because you're the answer.
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Speaker 2: Well, you're a proud veteran. You went to each team
45:35
Speaker 2: or event to Afghanistan. Take me back to what motivated
45:40
Speaker 2: you to do what many of us have not done
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Speaker 2: and in many cases of not being brave enough to do,
45:46
Speaker 2: and that is to sign up for the Defense Force.
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Speaker 2: What made you want to do that? Tell me about
45:51
Speaker 2: your pride for the country that created the need for
45:55
Speaker 2: you to do that and line up in a uniform.
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Speaker 10: It's a calling and it calls you and it touches you.
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Speaker 10: I'm a patriot, I love my nation, I love my flag.
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Speaker 10: I would defend it, and I'd defend the people in it,
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Speaker 10: and I was drawn to the ADF and I found myself.
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Speaker 10: You know, I'm a wrap bag mate. When I grew up,
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Speaker 10: I was a trouble kid. No one thought I was
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Speaker 10: going to be destined to be in the Defense Force.
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Speaker 10: And then I was an infantry soldier and I deployed
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Speaker 10: in operations. Sadly, I was wounded in combat, but I
46:27
Speaker 10: love my time there. I'd go back today, and I'm
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Speaker 10: drawn to a life of service, and so are many people.
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Speaker 10: You just have to open their eyes to the great
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Speaker 10: things that are a Shane Defense Force is, and a
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Speaker 10: part of doing that is having a government that stands
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Speaker 10: up for him and stands behind them. But I love
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Speaker 10: our flag, and I love this country, and I love
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Speaker 10: the Shane Defense Force and I would join back up
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Speaker 10: in a heartbeat if I could, because it's an amazing
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Speaker 10: career and you can do some really good things.
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Speaker 2: Speaking about rap bags, I only need to read Mark
46:58
Speaker 2: Donaldson's book He's got a VC proudly pinned to his chest,
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Speaker 2: and he was basically living the life of a criminal
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Speaker 2: in Sydney. He tells that story himself. And look what
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Speaker 2: the military did for him.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know.
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Speaker 10: I know all our Victoria Cross recipients and I can
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Speaker 10: say that, you know, we've all got similar backgrounds and
47:18
Speaker 10: but they go above and beyond and they did, and
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Speaker 10: they did show extreme valor and courage under fire. And
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Speaker 10: you know, I'm so proud of them and what they've
47:29
Speaker 10: been able to achieve. And I hope that the rest
47:30
Speaker 10: of our future generations look up to them and go,
47:33
Speaker 10: you know.
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Speaker 1: What, they're just like me.
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Speaker 10: They grew up just like me, and maybe I could
47:37
Speaker 10: go on to be in the Defense Force and do
47:39
Speaker 10: cool stuff. And you know, these are heroes of our
47:42
Speaker 10: generation and we need to get him out there selling
47:44
Speaker 10: the story.
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Speaker 1: They're great people.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you just got to wonder if you are from
47:49
Speaker 2: I don't know, Wellington and New Zealand and you're suddenly
47:52
Speaker 2: standing there in an Australian uniform, do you have that
47:55
Speaker 2: passion to defend your country. Yeah.
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Speaker 10: It's an interesting that the Labor Government has framed it
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Speaker 10: with at the start being New Zealand citizens or sorry, yeah,
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Speaker 10: New Zealand citizens in Australia as residents and then can
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Speaker 10: join the ADF and then after ninety days become a citizen.
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Speaker 10: I don't think that's going to work. But the most
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Speaker 10: concerning thing to me, they can't articulate the security concerns.
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Speaker 1: What about Iran?
48:22
Speaker 2: What about other nations.
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Speaker 1: That will be here?
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Speaker 10: That Machio said exactly, they're not across their brief so
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Speaker 10: how can the country be.
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Speaker 2: I don't get it either. I don't get it. Thanks
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Speaker 2: for joining us. Well that's it for me tonight. I'll
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Speaker 2: be back tomorrow night, filling in for Peter Kreblin. Now
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Speaker 2: up on the Bolt Report with James McPherson