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The Rita Panahi Show | 13 July · The Rita Panahi Show

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  Speaker 1: On scoring wilds Ostrodio. This is the Wader Paney Show.
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  Speaker 2: Good evening, and welcome to the Riada Paney Show.
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  Speaker 3: Coming up tonight, the Greens renew their push for a
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  Speaker 3: national rent freeze. Nikata will join me to cover the
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  Speaker 3: day's top headlines. The ABC brands Drew pavlou as controversial
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  Speaker 3: after his appearance on cal Stepher Novik's podcast.
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  Speaker 2: He will join me to respond. Josh Hammer will.
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  Speaker 3: Have the latest from the US, including the Left celebrating
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  Speaker 3: the shock death of US Senator Lindsey Graham, and I'll
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  Speaker 3: speak to Darren Grimes about a former labor candidate celebrating
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  Speaker 3: the horrific murder of former Conservative MP and Whittacombe, and
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  Speaker 3: Left is Losing It features actor Rain Wilson from the
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  Speaker 3: office railing against the man who gave him his career.
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  Speaker 4: One of the things that pisses me off to no
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  Speaker 4: end is Ricky Gervase saying, just take your reward. No
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  Speaker 4: one wants to hear what you have to say.
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  Speaker 1: It's like Q you.
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  Speaker 3: But first, let's start with the public Broadcaster, the bloated
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  Speaker 3: public Broadcaster, which receives more than one point two billion
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  Speaker 3: of your heart earned every year to churn out activist
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  Speaker 3: rubbish like this claiming climate change is a major driver
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  Speaker 3: of child marriage now apparently has nothing to do with
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  Speaker 3: backwood third world cultural and religious practices. No, the ABC
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  Speaker 3: claims climate change is now believed to be a leading
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  Speaker 3: contributor to more frequent and younger nuptials, with twelve million
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  Speaker 3: girls tip to become child brides this year. Let's bring
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  Speaker 3: in Menzies Research Center senior fellow Nick Kator. Nick, this
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  Speaker 3: is just peak ABC using activist research to push activist
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  Speaker 3: lines masquerading as news reporting.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go through the weak links in this story.
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  Speaker 1: Bots that there are a few.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, first of all, there's an increase in child marriage, Well,
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  Speaker 5: what are we what evidence do we have of that? Well,
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  Speaker 5: the anecdotal evidence of aid organizations who raise funds by
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  Speaker 5: doing work for child marriage, so they have you know,
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  Speaker 5: they have enormous incentive to exaggerate the figures.
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  Speaker 1: We're then told that this.
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  Speaker 5: Has gone up because there's been floods and various other
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  Speaker 5: catastrophes in Bangladesh in particular, and then that these floods
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  Speaker 5: and things are due to climate change.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, stretch, isn't it to say the least.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, Bangladesh is a you know, it's been a
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  Speaker 5: tragic country in terms of floods and famines ever since
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  Speaker 5: I can remember. I mean, the whole country is built
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  Speaker 5: on a floodplain. So to suggest this is due to
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  Speaker 5: the whole thing just falls at the first hurdle. It
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  Speaker 5: just comes back to the point, you know, in God,
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  Speaker 5: we trust everybody else bring data, and I don't think
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  Speaker 5: there's a single bit of data that's reliable in this story.
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  Speaker 3: No, all activist research and presented uncritically, just presented as
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  Speaker 3: if it's gospel. And you'd be happy to learn that
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  Speaker 3: DEFAT has responded to this nonsense, a spokesperson saying under
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  Speaker 3: Australia's International Development Policy, gender equality and climate action are
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  Speaker 3: placed at the very core of Australia's aid program.
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  Speaker 2: So there is someone who's taking this seriously.
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  Speaker 5: Nick, Well, that's right, but because you know, these sort
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  Speaker 5: of things happen, don't they. I mean, basically, when we
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  Speaker 5: talk about aid organizations are not for profits. I mean
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  Speaker 5: I've run a not for profit share one. Now you
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  Speaker 5: are desperate to get people to give you money because
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  Speaker 5: that's how you survive on philanthropy, So you play up
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  Speaker 5: whatever the cause of the day is.
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  Speaker 1: So if you want to linked.
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  Speaker 5: Child climate, child marriage to climate change, because climate change
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  Speaker 5: is a bit of a hot button issue, then that's
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  Speaker 5: what you do. So it's absurd, it's ridiculous. But the
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  Speaker 5: most ridiculous thing, reader, is that somebody at the ABC
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  Speaker 5: sat down and thought this is a story and couldn't
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  Speaker 5: see a gap in it. And presumably they had a
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  Speaker 5: boss an editor of some sort who looked at this
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  Speaker 5: and said, yeah, yeah, that's good to go.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's put that towhear.
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  Speaker 5: You know, this is the real scandal that there's nobody
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  Speaker 5: at the ABC filtering this stuff out and saying, look,
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  Speaker 5: that's not problem. That's just not trustworthy, that's not credible.
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  Speaker 5: We're not going to bombard our reasons with fake.
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  Speaker 3: News now, at least, if we're going to report this
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  Speaker 3: activist research, let's have a counterpoint of view. Let's have
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  Speaker 3: some critical analysis that perhaps questions this warped analysis. But no,
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  Speaker 3: none of that at the ABC. Now let's talk about
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  Speaker 3: cricket Australia. I guess this is good news. They've announced
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  Speaker 3: that the Big Bash Final will be played on Australia
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  Speaker 3: after they tied themselves into all sorts of knots by
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  Speaker 3: refusing to use the term Australia Day in its marketing,
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  Speaker 3: and for the last couple of years they failed to
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  Speaker 3: put on a game on our national holiday.
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  Speaker 2: Nick Cricket Australia has.
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  Speaker 3: Committed to what it calls a culturally sensitive presentation on
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  Speaker 3: January twenty six. As they call it, they can't call
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  Speaker 3: it Australia Day. The Big Bash boss Alistair Dobson said,
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  Speaker 3: we understand that the day means different things to different people.
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  Speaker 3: January twenty six was the best date for a couple
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  Speaker 3: of reasons, the primary one being it comes the day
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  Speaker 3: after the first test in India between India and Australia.
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  Speaker 3: So Nick, even there's saying January twenty six, he can't
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  Speaker 3: bring himself to use the words Australia Day.
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  Speaker 5: No, of course it's into India's national Day as well,
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  Speaker 5: so I suppose they could use that as covered. This
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  Speaker 5: is one cheer for this reto. It's not three cheers,
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  Speaker 5: it's not two one one, because they've done it so
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  Speaker 5: reluctantly and so melely mouth the other thing that Look,
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  Speaker 5: I'm sorry, I'm going to be really old fashioned here.
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  Speaker 5: Australia day is the day for the Adelaide Test. It
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  Speaker 5: always was, it always should be. You know, it always
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  Speaker 5: was and always should be Adelaide Test Day. It hasn't
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  Speaker 5: been for a number of years. That I think is
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  Speaker 5: a great stragedy. So look, big bash, okay, but I'd
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  Speaker 5: rather be watching cricket, quite frankly, so you don't.
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  Speaker 3: Consider the Big Bash real cricket. You wouldn't be alone
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  Speaker 3: in that.
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  Speaker 2: Now let's talk about the Greens.
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  Speaker 3: We know they joined with Labor to pass those tax
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  Speaker 3: policies ending negative gearing, hiking up capital gains tax, and
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  Speaker 3: now we're already seeing some fruits of that work with
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  Speaker 3: rents rising. The Greens are calling for a rent freeze.
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  Speaker 3: They think that is the solution to this. Here is
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  Speaker 3: Green Senator David Shubridge.
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  Speaker 6: There are millions of renters across the country, about a
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  Speaker 6: third of the country are in rentals, and they absolutely
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  Speaker 6: need a break, and they've been given nothing, give nothing offered,
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  Speaker 6: nothing by the coalition, nothing by One Nation, nothing by Labor.
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  Speaker 6: We know that rent freezers can have a real impact
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  Speaker 6: on holding rents and that's the national leadership that the
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  Speaker 6: Albanesi government needs to show.
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  Speaker 2: Otherwise, what are they going to do.
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  Speaker 6: Come out this morning and have Albanzi say, oh, he
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  Speaker 6: has serious concerns, or he's deeply troubled, do something.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, Nick, the economic illiteracy is frightening there. We warned them,
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  Speaker 3: everyone with any sense said that if you were going
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  Speaker 3: to end negative gearing, high cupped capkit or gains tax,
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  Speaker 3: you're going to see rents increase. You're going to see
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  Speaker 3: the rental pool decrease and rents going up.
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  Speaker 2: Is a national rent freeze. The solution, Well, it was only.
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  Speaker 5: A matter of time, wasn't it before they got rounded
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  Speaker 5: this old chestnut again? And then of courses, only a
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  Speaker 5: matter a time between the Greens latch onto something and
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  Speaker 5: the labor left, and then before you know where you are,
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  Speaker 5: the government has a new position on this, and it's law. Look,
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  Speaker 5: every instance this has ever been tried. It's been tried
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  Speaker 5: in Melbourne, actually, it's been tried in New York, has
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  Speaker 5: been tried around the world in every incident, so that
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  Speaker 5: the impact is that there is less rental housing on
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  Speaker 5: the market. Why because in the end, landlords have to
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  Speaker 5: charge what it costs, and if they can't get that,
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  Speaker 5: if they're effectively making a loss by being forced to
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  Speaker 5: rent out housing below the market rate. Then they're just
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  Speaker 5: going to say we're not going to do it. That's
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  Speaker 5: what happens, you know, and it is an iron law
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  Speaker 5: when you study this through history. Thomas soul has written
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  Speaker 5: a whole chapter on it. Rent freezes do not work,
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  Speaker 5: or they do work if your object is to put
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  Speaker 5: fewer houses on the rental market. But I don't think
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  Speaker 5: that's really the Greens intention, is it.
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  Speaker 3: Well, who knows with the Greens what the end goals are.
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  Speaker 3: But you could also argue Nick that ending negative gearing
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  Speaker 3: doesn't work. We've tried it already in this country. We
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  Speaker 3: saw rents going up, so they dumped the policy. We've
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  Speaker 3: seen the same thing happen recently in New Zealand.
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  Speaker 2: So how do you see this progressing?
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  Speaker 3: If we see rents rise up dramatically, particularly in the
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  Speaker 3: capital cities in the next two to three years, will
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  Speaker 3: there be a rethink or are they just going to
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  Speaker 3: double down on this madness.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure eventually, but it could.
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  Speaker 5: It takes a long while for them to get round
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  Speaker 5: to realize that what they've done is absolutely stupid. They
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  Speaker 5: should look at Canada. Now, Canada has brought rents down
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  Speaker 5: in the last two years. This is a left wing government, right,
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  Speaker 5: it's not our favorite government, but they seem to have
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  Speaker 5: done this much more sensibly. How Number one, they've restricted
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  Speaker 5: temporary migration, so the number of temporary migrants has considerably
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  Speaker 5: fallen in camera in Canada, sorry, over the last eighteen months.
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  Speaker 5: Guess what rents have come down. Number Two, they're actually
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  Speaker 5: offering tax incentives for people to build new rental housing,
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  Speaker 5: not just an odd house, but a whole block of houses.
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  Speaker 5: And if they build those, then the equivalent of the
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  Speaker 5: GST in Canada is waived. By doing those two things,
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  Speaker 5: they've increased the supply and reduced the demand. And guess
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  Speaker 5: what rental prices have eased in Canada. Because you know
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  Speaker 5: that we don't have an economically literate treasurer, we have
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  Speaker 5: a Prime Minister who's absolutely not interested in economics whatsoever.
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  Speaker 5: He's entirely interested in politics. So this is where we
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  Speaker 5: end up. It's not just that we don't agree with
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  Speaker 5: the policy, it's just when they do it, it doesn't work.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't achieve what they want to do.
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  Speaker 2: Now let's talk about the Royals.
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  Speaker 3: Last week, Prince Harry lost his case against Associated newspapers
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  Speaker 3: over alleged unlawful information gathering, another humiliating loss for the prince.
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  Speaker 3: The Times report that claimants were desperate to settle the
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  Speaker 3: case up to a year before the trial started.
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  Speaker 2: The case is believed to have cost.
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  Speaker 3: More than fifty million pounds, and associated newspapers are expected
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  Speaker 3: to see costs on an indemnity basis.
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  Speaker 2: Nick, do you think this is finally.
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  Speaker 3: Going to end the Prince's ill fated victim playing. He
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  Speaker 3: has gone down this road very strongly legal action against
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  Speaker 3: the media and just presenting himself as some victim. It
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  Speaker 3: has not helped his image and it certainly hasn't seen
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  Speaker 3: him get any big wins in court.
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  Speaker 5: I very much doubt it Reata. I mean, he seems
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  Speaker 5: to be a perpetual winer, doesn't he. And I see
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  Speaker 5: that even after the last week's court decision he was
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  Speaker 5: complaining that the court of bias it got it wrong. Look,
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  Speaker 5: come on, you know, if the court decision goes against
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  Speaker 5: you, you should at least have the courage and be an
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  Speaker 5: adult and stand up and say, well, that's the court's decision,
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  Speaker 5: we respect it. It may not be the one I want.
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  Speaker 5: It's going to drain me of about ninety six million
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  Speaker 5: pounds or some enormous vigor possibly when when when costs
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  Speaker 5: come through. And by the way, you know, if there
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  Speaker 5: was an offer to settle this by the defendants some
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  Speaker 5: time ago, then of course that makes it much more
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  Speaker 5: likely that Henry will bear a greater shaft, not all
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  Speaker 5: of the costs. So look, he's in for a pounding here.
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  Speaker 5: He's got to stand back and take it. And I
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  Speaker 5: think he should draw from There's lots of lessons he
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  Speaker 5: could draw from this that he won't, but number one
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  Speaker 5: is he should listen to good advice, because I understand
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  Speaker 5: the Palace was advising him right from the start.
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  Speaker 1: Don't do this.
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  Speaker 5: It only draws attention to the criticisms, you know, to
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  Speaker 5: the stories that have been printed in the press, and
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  Speaker 5: there's a very good chance that you might lose. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: anybody who goes into court action thinking that it's a
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  Speaker 5: dead sert Win clearly needs the head examined. You know,
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  Speaker 5: it was a stupid thing for him to presus you,
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  Speaker 5: and he should bear the consequences. Really, you know, in
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  Speaker 5: the end, it's the magna cart, isn't it. The King
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  Speaker 5: and his heirs and successes are not above the law.
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  Speaker 5: That's a wonderful thing. And he's just got to suck
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  Speaker 5: it up now.
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  Speaker 2: He does. And I think he's just got too much
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  Speaker 2: time on his hands.
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  Speaker 7: Nick.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's one of the reasons why we see
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  Speaker 3: these legal actions, we see the interviews where he's playing
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  Speaker 3: the victim, because I mean, what else does he do
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  Speaker 3: day today? Nikata, thank you so much for your time tonight.
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  Speaker 3: Joining me now is political activist and independent journalist Drew Pavlou. Drew,
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  Speaker 3: you recently became Karlstafanovic's chief chaos correspondent, and that got
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  Speaker 3: the attention of the ABC's Media Watch.
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  Speaker 2: Let's have a look.
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  Speaker 8: It was clear the podcast would feature a car that
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  Speaker 8: nine's audience might not recognize, inviting onto his new show
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  Speaker 8: a string of increasingly controversial guests who sometimes dubious claims
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  Speaker 8: would be untroubled by any acts of journalism.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, Drew, what's your response to that? Are you a
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  Speaker 3: controversial guest? I mean she would be alarmed with you
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  Speaker 3: being platformed in this manner.
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  Speaker 9: Ah, thank you for having me on. Reader.
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  Speaker 10: It's very funny because they're trying to present me as
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  Speaker 10: some kind of extremist Nazi figure. Alongside other extremist Nazi
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  Speaker 10: figures like Charlie TiO. Apparently it's far right to do
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  Speaker 10: brain surgery now, just very bizarre, very creepy. I just
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  Speaker 10: think it's very representative of the kind of the sort
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  Speaker 10: of seething contempt that they have for anybody outside the
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  Speaker 10: kind of I guess the traditional media.
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  Speaker 9: Carl's done very well with his podcast.
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  Speaker 10: It's already one of the most popular in Australia, and
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  Speaker 10: they seem to be really angry. A lot of these
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  Speaker 10: journalists are really angry that I've got a reach that
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  Speaker 10: a lot of them don't have more people see my
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  Speaker 10: stuff than I don't know, the average Sydney Morning Herald
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  Speaker 10: gossip columnists. And I think they're very sad about that,
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  Speaker 10: and they've just been seething about it since they announced
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  Speaker 10: the new job.
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  Speaker 9: So I love to see them angry. It's beautiful.
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  Speaker 2: Now let's stick with the AVC.
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  Speaker 3: Last week we saw tens of thousands of Indian Australians
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  Speaker 3: pack out Marvel Stadium to get a glimpse of Prime
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  Speaker 3: Minister Mody, and we saw labor politicians both stayed in
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  Speaker 3: Federal swooning over Mody. There have listened to this bit
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  Speaker 3: of analysis on ABC's Insiders program on.
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  Speaker 2: That multicultural question. I just found that so fascinating.
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  Speaker 11: Here we have in Australia about a million Indian Australians
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  Speaker 11: in the midst of a debate about multiculturalism versus monoculturalism.
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  Speaker 2: The PM just lent right into.
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  Speaker 12: It, didn't It was like, we're a multicultural.
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  Speaker 13: Nation, you belong here.
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  Speaker 3: He wants to make all of those Indian Australians his voters.
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  Speaker 14: Right, Yeah, well we are, And I mean it's sort
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  Speaker 14: of a statement of the obvious to a certain extent.
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  Speaker 14: Again it's been contested, yeah yeah, But also there's noctoral
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  Speaker 14: advantage there as well for the Prime Minister to bring
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  Speaker 14: that diaspora on site. As you say, a million Indians
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  Speaker 14: in Australia. Obviously not all of them are, not all
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  Speaker 14: of them have voting rights, but still it's a hugely
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  Speaker 14: important demograph.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah thirty eight true, wasn't just Enterprise condemned as some
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  Speaker 3: sort of a racist for pointing out that very phenomenon
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  Speaker 3: that Labor want to import record numbers of new voters.
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  Speaker 3: That Indian voters, according to Labor posters, are more likely
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  Speaker 3: to vote for Labor than they are for the coalition.
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  Speaker 3: Why is it okay when the ABC points out the obvious,
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  Speaker 3: but when Just Enterprise does it, their calls for her
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  Speaker 3: to be sacked.
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  Speaker 10: Look, it's very strange, very strange, this wold just Ento
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  Speaker 10: Price controversy that arose.
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  Speaker 9: Actually believe it or not.
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  Speaker 10: It was on my podcast where Cos Samarus in the
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  Speaker 10: middle of a debate just dropped saying, oh, you know,
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  Speaker 10: eighty percent of all Indian Australians or something ye like
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  Speaker 10: that voted Labor And he dropped that figure and just
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  Speaker 10: enter Price brought it up and.
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  Speaker 9: Then suddenly she was condemned. It's very bizarre.
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  Speaker 10: The whole analysis that they're offering here is so bizarre,
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  Speaker 10: as though Modi represents all Indian Australians, that inviting the
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  Speaker 10: Prime Minister of India to Australia is somehow this kind
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  Speaker 10: of vote winner in Australia for Indian Australians.
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  Speaker 9: That's a very bizarre sort of thing to say, like
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  Speaker 9: as though they all have the exact same opinion.
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  Speaker 10: And the implication here is very bizarre and it's actually
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  Speaker 10: very very scary I think.
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  Speaker 9: For the country.
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  Speaker 10: The implication is that the Albertizi Labor government invited a
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  Speaker 10: foreign leader to hold a political rally in Australia in
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  Speaker 10: order to lock in a sectarian voting block. And I
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  Speaker 10: just don't know if these geniuses at the ABC understand
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  Speaker 10: how catastrophically bad that is for this country.
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  Speaker 9: We don't want to have secretarian voting blocks.
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  Speaker 10: We want people to vote as individuals, not as part
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  Speaker 10: of a kind of collective community. And this is literally
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  Speaker 10: how you get the sort of sectarian politics and polarize
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  Speaker 10: the sectarian politics and conflict and polarization of a country
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  Speaker 10: like Lebanon. This is how you go from a first
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  Speaker 10: world country to a country that has, you know, terrible
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  Speaker 10: conflict and social tension. So I really don't like the
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  Speaker 10: idea that the ABC is just sort of willing nearly
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  Speaker 10: talking about this kind of sectarian voting strategy as though.
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  Speaker 9: It's very normal.
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  Speaker 10: It should not be normal that the Australian government thinks
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  Speaker 10: that it's a vote winner to invite Modi to hoole
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  Speaker 10: political rallies in this country.
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  Speaker 3: And it could reshape Australian politics because we are talking
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: about an enormous number. We're talking about a million, and
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: it is the fastest growing migrant group. And if Cosa
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: Marius is correct in his analysis that you've got something
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: like eighty percent voting for labor that can reshape elections.
• 18:35
  Speaker 10: Look, there's a lot to think about here and some
• 18:38
  Speaker 10: of the interesting things like, for example, with Mody's speech,
• 18:42
  Speaker 10: he started talking about bombing Pakistan and there was a
• 18:44
  Speaker 10: big roar from the crowd. You know, if he wanted
• 18:48
  Speaker 10: to win over Australians, he might have been able to
• 18:49
  Speaker 10: criticize Marine Ferruki as a very annoying person.
• 18:52
  Speaker 9: That would have been very funny. But it is just
• 18:54
  Speaker 9: very strange, I think.
• 18:55
  Speaker 10: For I think it is very strange for Mody to
• 18:57
  Speaker 10: sit there next to the next to Albanizi, the Prime
• 18:59
  Speaker 10: Minister of Australia, and talk about bombing Pakistan. You know,
• 19:02
  Speaker 10: I'm very critical of the Pakistani government and it's harboring
• 19:04
  Speaker 10: of terrorists attacking India, of course, but it is very
• 19:07
  Speaker 10: strange to have this domestic rally in Australia talking about
• 19:10
  Speaker 10: that with the Prime Minister sitting next next to you,
• 19:13
  Speaker 10: groat gritting.
• 19:14
  Speaker 9: You know, and gloating about it.
• 19:15
  Speaker 10: It's very funny because Modi actually in many ways is
• 19:18
  Speaker 10: pretty far right as a politician, and you know, in Australia.
• 19:21
  Speaker 10: The Ishraan government loves to talk about you know, Pauline
• 19:24
  Speaker 10: is far right and you know the far rider is
• 19:26
  Speaker 10: on the march, these forces of darkness, and yet here
• 19:28
  Speaker 10: was Albinizi sitting next to somebody that a lot of
• 19:31
  Speaker 10: political analysis would say.
• 19:32
  Speaker 9: That Modi is far right.
• 19:34
  Speaker 10: And you know, I don't necessarily have extensive opinions on
• 19:37
  Speaker 10: Indian domestic politics, but it is just funny that hypocrisy
• 19:40
  Speaker 10: that we see from the Labor government. You know, when
• 19:42
  Speaker 10: they think there's an electoral advantage here, they're happy to
• 19:45
  Speaker 10: cozy up to this government and have this rally where
• 19:48
  Speaker 10: he's talking about bombing Pakistan.
• 19:49
  Speaker 9: Again.
• 19:49
  Speaker 10: I'm very critical of the Pakistani government, of course i am,
• 19:52
  Speaker 10: but it is just very strange to see all this,
• 19:54
  Speaker 10: of course in Australia.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: Drew Pavlou always fascinating. Thank you so much. Time tonight
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: still to come.
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: Lefties Losing It plus all the latest from the US,
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: including the left celebrating the shock death of US.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Senator Lindsay Graham. Josh Hammer is up next.
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: You're watching the Reader Paney Show, and it's time for
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: Lefties Losing It now. You may know I've been away
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: for the past two weeks in the US, and I
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: was lucky enough to be there for July fourth celebrations.
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: It was, of course, the two hundred and fiftieth birthday
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: of the world's freest and most powerful nation, and regular folk.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: Everywhere were full of joy, full of joy. The lefties,
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: on the other hand, were losing it.
• 20:52
  Speaker 9: There is a slur in America's founding documents, and the.
• 20:56
  Speaker 15: South African Constitution is generally thought of as one of
• 20:59
  Speaker 15: the best constitutions in the world, and ours continues to
• 21:03
  Speaker 15: be a piece of crap.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: So what looks racist?
• 21:05
  Speaker 13: I think this is a country whose history is racist,
• 21:08
  Speaker 13: whose history is steeped in white supremacy, and the anthem
• 21:10
  Speaker 13: reflects that in its firs.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: The hands with which they built this nation were enslaved.
• 21:15
  Speaker 12: It just I think it's ridiculous that people don't see
• 21:19
  Speaker 12: what this country was founded on.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: The land on which they formed this union was stolen.
• 21:24
  Speaker 15: If somebody fell asleep in eighteen ninety six and woke
• 21:28
  Speaker 15: up today in twenty twenty six, they would simply say,
• 21:31
  Speaker 15: the only difference is now Negroes have a TV show
• 21:34
  Speaker 15: and we wear nice suits.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Sick country.
• 21:36
  Speaker 7: Original question.
• 21:37
  Speaker 16: I feel comfortable, uncomfortable out the word hero because it
• 21:39
  Speaker 16: seems to me that it is so rhetorically proximate to
• 21:44
  Speaker 16: justifications for more war.
• 21:46
  Speaker 15: They swapped out clan hoods for Brooks brother suits, and I.
• 21:50
  Speaker 17: Was really disturbed. I saw a dozens and dozens of
• 21:54
  Speaker 17: pickup trucksplicatives against Joe Biden on the back of them
• 21:58
  Speaker 17: Trump flags, and some cases just dozens of American flags,
• 22:03
  Speaker 17: which is also just disturbing me.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: Not to be out down Sunny Holstin from the View
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: was also eager to tell us how disturbed she is
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: by the mere sight of the American flag.
• 22:14
  Speaker 12: There are times when I walk into a community and
• 22:16
  Speaker 12: I see American flags all over the community, and I
• 22:21
  Speaker 12: suddenly feel unsafe because there is a section of this
• 22:24
  Speaker 12: country that has co opted the American flag, and they
• 22:28
  Speaker 12: equate being an American or an American flag with white supremacy.
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: It is not a symbol of white supremacy, Sonny, only
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: in your twisted mind. You know, when I'm in the
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: States and in a neighborhood with lots of American flags,
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: I feel safe. I know I'm among law abiding folk
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: who love their country. Now, you may not have heard
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: of Senator Patty Murray. She's from the blue state of Washington,
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: and she thought it was a great idea to question
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: EPA Chief Lee Zelden about abortions in the water. You
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: heard that right, abortions in the water. This isn't ai.
• 23:06
  Speaker 18: Do you seriously believe there's abortion in the water like
• 23:09
  Speaker 18: some of the for Road activists are suge, I have not.
• 23:12
  Speaker 9: You just said abortion in the water.
• 23:14
  Speaker 18: That's what some FRA Road activists are saying that they
• 23:16
  Speaker 18: have an audience in the EPA on that absurd issue.
• 23:20
  Speaker 19: Yeah, I have not had a conversation with anyone at
• 23:23
  Speaker 19: the agency as far as abortions in water, and you're.
• 23:28
  Speaker 18: Not actively pursuing it or don't have groups of I.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Don't even know what you're talking about.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: None of us know what you're talking about. Now to
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: the world of a rock and roll.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: And the Rolling Stones lead singer Mick Jagger sat down
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: with The New York Times and they asked him about
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: rock stars preaching to their audience, you know, like the
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: insufferable Bruce Springsteen.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: Mick has a very different approach.
• 23:51
  Speaker 16: You have somebody like a Bruce Springsteen who clearly sees
• 23:54
  Speaker 16: his job as engaging in a meaningful back and forth
• 23:59
  Speaker 16: yes with his audience. It means something different to him.
• 24:04
  Speaker 16: What does your relationship to the audience mean to you?
• 24:07
  Speaker 16: What do they represent? Are those people out there?
• 24:11
  Speaker 20: Well, well, first of all, it depends where you are.
• 24:14
  Speaker 20: My job in a live music world is just those
• 24:21
  Speaker 20: people that come is to have the best time they
• 24:25
  Speaker 20: possibly can and for two hours or whatever it is
• 24:29
  Speaker 20: to forget all their problems and the problems of the world.
• 24:33
  Speaker 20: And you don't lecture them.
• 24:34
  Speaker 16: You don't want to lecture them.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Well said meck.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: People do not want to be lectured to by out
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: of touch rock stars or actors.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: That's something that is lost on want to be rocker.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: Rayin Wilson, the actor from the TV show The Offers,
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: seems to think that we're all desperate to hear his
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: hair brain views.
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: One of the things that pisses me off to no
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: end is Ricky Gervaise saying, just.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Take your reward.
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: No one wants to hear what you have to say.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: It's like thank you. Guess what.
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: Everyone gets to say what they want to say about anything. Yeah, Gaza,
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: climate change, politics, you get to say it. If you're
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: a truck driver, you get to say it.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're a school.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: Teacher, now you think that clown would be a little
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: bit more grateful to reach Jervase for giving him a career.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: If it wasn't for Jervase, there'd be no office and
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: likely no fame and fortune for Rain. As for comparing
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: yourself to truck drivers and teachers, how many awards nights
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: do those professions have with a national audience.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: If you want to rant and rave, then do it
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: on your social.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: Media pages, just like truck drivers and teachers. Now to
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: the passing of Senator Lindsey Graham, and of course the
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: left love nothing more than celebrating the deaths of conservatives,
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: so loving and inclusive of them. Here is alleged comic
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: and actor Margaret Choe gloating over Lindsay Graham's death. She
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: seems to think that Mitch McConnell has died as well,
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: and she's hoping for President Trump's death too.
• 26:11
  Speaker 21: Bye Lindsey, Bye, Lindsey Graham. From the closet to the
• 26:18
  Speaker 21: caffin real seamless, real seamless. Also, yeah, Mitch McConnell, So
• 26:24
  Speaker 21: it's miss McConnell, Lindsay grown it does happen in Jees.
• 26:31
  Speaker 18: Hope.
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: You know what's dead, Maggie. It's your sad little creer.
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: Can anyone even remember the last time that woman was funny?
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: Intentionally joining me?
• 26:42
  Speaker 18: Now?
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: Is Newsweek Senior editor at Large, Josh Hammer, Josh, this
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: blood lust from the left is rather gross. We saw
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: it when Charlie Kirk was murdered, and now we're seeing
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: it with Lindsey Graham, who died at the age of
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: seventy one after decades of serving his country, and there's
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: still wishing death upon the president who has already survived
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: at least three assassination attempts.
• 27:11
  Speaker 11: So, reader, first of all, this is completely unexpected and
• 27:15
  Speaker 11: utterly tragedy. News here in the United States came out
• 27:18
  Speaker 11: of absolutely positively know where. Lindsay Graham was flying all
• 27:21
  Speaker 11: over the world just in recent days. He was on
• 27:24
  Speaker 11: the phone the President seemingly within minutes at least within
• 27:28
  Speaker 11: an hour or two prior to his fatal heart attack,
• 27:31
  Speaker 11: and it came out of absolutely nowhere. And in fact,
• 27:33
  Speaker 11: the news broke in the wee hours of the overnight
• 27:36
  Speaker 11: here in the United States. I actually got up because
• 27:38
  Speaker 11: I was waiting for another reason. I checked my phone.
• 27:40
  Speaker 11: I saw the news, and I could not fall back asleep.
• 27:42
  Speaker 11: I thought maybe I was having a nightmare. I thought
• 27:44
  Speaker 11: maybe I was dreaming. But it's a reminder that this
• 27:47
  Speaker 11: is who the left are in this context, and it, frankly,
• 27:50
  Speaker 11: this does not matter about the identity of the individual
• 27:52
  Speaker 11: on the right. Lindsay Lindsey Graham is not is not
• 27:55
  Speaker 11: exactly a fire breathing Stephen Miller es no Republican. Lindsay
• 28:01
  Speaker 11: Graham is is a throwback to a different era. He's
• 28:04
  Speaker 11: a throwback to the George W. Bush era, who's very
• 28:06
  Speaker 11: close friends with John McCain. He's very much an unreconstructed
• 28:11
  Speaker 11: old neo conservative. So the fact that they are reacting
• 28:13
  Speaker 11: this way to him basically just means that they will
• 28:16
  Speaker 11: react this way to anyone who has an R next
• 28:18
  Speaker 11: student to their name, which, by the way, is exactly
• 28:20
  Speaker 11: what many of us said for years and years and
• 28:23
  Speaker 11: years and years as left was tarring and feathering men
• 28:26
  Speaker 11: like George W. Bush, like mid Romney for being hitler
• 28:29
  Speaker 11: or fascist this that, and you know what, then they
• 28:31
  Speaker 11: actually got Donald Trump, and Donald Trump is to be clear,
• 28:34
  Speaker 11: is obviously not a hitler or fascist there.
• 28:37
  Speaker 22: But now the.
• 28:37
  Speaker 11: Fact that they they say this over and over and
• 28:40
  Speaker 11: over again for a decade. There is crime wolf. Why
• 28:42
  Speaker 11: is it crying wolf? Because they said about Bush and
• 28:44
  Speaker 11: Romney Ford that now they're saying it about about Lindsay
• 28:47
  Speaker 11: Graham now. But the country has has had a tremendous
• 28:49
  Speaker 11: loss in this horrific death. I did not agree with
• 28:54
  Speaker 11: Ja Gramma on anything, but that, frankly is completely irrelevant.
• 28:57
  Speaker 11: He was a very jovial, a very nice man who
• 29:00
  Speaker 11: is colleagues's genuinely loved workman, someone who loved the game
• 29:03
  Speaker 11: politics and above all Riday. He was a patriot. He
• 29:05
  Speaker 11: loved this country and he really, really really loved Donald Trump.
• 29:09
  Speaker 11: He and Donald Trump had a very special French with
• 29:11
  Speaker 11: a very special political friendship which transcended their policy position
• 29:14
  Speaker 11: because they actually did not have grin everything, Lindsay a
• 29:16
  Speaker 11: lot more of liberal immigration. They had foreign past differences,
• 29:19
  Speaker 11: but they loved each other. And that is why the
• 29:22
  Speaker 11: White House players currently flying and half staff. And if
• 29:24
  Speaker 11: I had to guest reader, I bet the President United
• 29:26
  Speaker 11: States is genuinely personally just deeply depressed.
• 29:29
  Speaker 13: Bus news.
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: Well, we'll talk about that, because he did talk to
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: Lindsey Graham just minutes, perhaps hours before his death, and
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: his death is a massive shock. It's been described as
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: a from a brief and sudden illness. He reportedly suffered
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: chest pains and cardiac arrests. But as you said, Josh,
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: there is such great shock about his passing because he
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: did not appear to be ill at all. He was
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: keeping up a furious pace. And this is him in
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: Ukraine just the day before his death.
• 30:04
  Speaker 19: So when I get back to Washington, I'm going to
• 30:07
  Speaker 19: go with Senator Blumenthal to the Republic and the Democratic
• 30:11
  Speaker 19: Leader to see if we can find time to move
• 30:14
  Speaker 19: this Russian sanctious package that would give tools to President
• 30:18
  Speaker 19: Trump to.
• 30:19
  Speaker 9: Help end this war.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: Josh, is there any chatter at.
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: All in DC or elsewhere about his death being anything
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: other than due to natural causes, given he was such
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: a massive advocate for Ukraine and we know some of
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: the tactics the Russians have employed over the years.
• 30:39
  Speaker 11: Yeah, listen, think about Alexei Navolni. Russia hasn't had in
• 30:44
  Speaker 11: many many instances over the years, attended two in times,
• 30:47
  Speaker 11: has successfully poisoned people overseas. So the timing is more
• 30:51
  Speaker 11: than a little suspecials, it's more than most specially that
• 30:53
  Speaker 11: Lindsing Graham just got back from Key of Ukraine a
• 30:56
  Speaker 11: day before he has a heart attack at the age
• 30:58
  Speaker 11: of seventy one. On the other hand, and Lindsey Graham
• 31:01
  Speaker 11: was known to drink more than they should have. He
• 31:05
  Speaker 11: was always in the road, he sent very little hours there,
• 31:07
  Speaker 11: and his father passed away at the age of sixty
• 31:09
  Speaker 11: eight from a heart condition, so it actually did run
• 31:11
  Speaker 11: his family. So it's very difficult to know. If you
• 31:14
  Speaker 11: look at the preliminary medical reports, they basically say that
• 31:17
  Speaker 11: he did have a ruptured a order, that this was
• 31:19
  Speaker 11: standard underlying cardiovascar disease, just the wear and tear of
• 31:22
  Speaker 11: living the life that he led, and eating and drinking
• 31:25
  Speaker 11: as he ate, not taking care of your body, et cetera,
• 31:27
  Speaker 11: et cetera. On the other hand, again I will say
• 31:29
  Speaker 11: that I have some people in my orbit Rita who
• 31:32
  Speaker 11: are not necessarily typically prone to conspiratoral thinking, who are saying,
• 31:36
  Speaker 11: you know what, they should look into this because Russia
• 31:39
  Speaker 11: has done this.
• 31:40
  Speaker 22: He just got back in the Ukraine. The pieces really
• 31:42
  Speaker 22: do match up.
• 31:43
  Speaker 11: I will tell you I had a conversation today with
• 31:45
  Speaker 11: one of my go to sources at the White House,
• 31:47
  Speaker 11: and from what I can tell, the White House is
• 31:49
  Speaker 11: not going down that path. They think that this actually
• 31:52
  Speaker 11: was just just a horrifically timed heart attack. But listen,
• 31:56
  Speaker 11: we live in a day and age where I think
• 31:57
  Speaker 11: people have a lot of at times quite use more
• 32:00
  Speaker 11: questions as to the narratives that they're told from elites
• 32:04
  Speaker 11: and authorities. And me personally, Rita, I'm an Okham's razor
• 32:08
  Speaker 11: kind of guy. I'm not necessarily prone to conspiratorial thinking.
• 32:10
  Speaker 11: In fact, I have at times been the victim of
• 32:12
  Speaker 11: the spiritual thinking in the past. But what I will
• 32:14
  Speaker 11: say is that this is quite a coincidence, and if
• 32:17
  Speaker 11: nothing else, I would like to see a more detailed
• 32:20
  Speaker 11: toxicology report.
• 32:21
  Speaker 22: Than we typically normally see a situation like this.
• 32:23
  Speaker 11: I think that's the bare minim of the American people
• 32:25
  Speaker 11: should hope for and indeed what they deserve.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: Now, President Trump has revealed that he was speaking to
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: the Lights Senator shortly before he's passing. Have a listen,
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: he was.
• 32:37
  Speaker 23: Mister President, And I know that we are all just
• 32:40
  Speaker 23: absorbing this news.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: We are all in shock.
• 32:43
  Speaker 23: Can you tell us, mister President, how you receive this
• 32:47
  Speaker 23: news and your immediate gut reaction when you heard it?
• 32:52
  Speaker 7: So, what makes it even strangers that I got to
• 32:54
  Speaker 7: call last night sometime at you know, the early evening,
• 32:59
  Speaker 7: maybe in the seventh and he called and he said,
• 33:02
  Speaker 7: the we're all set for the Save America Act. He
• 33:05
  Speaker 7: was pushing the Save America Act like crazy. He got back,
• 33:08
  Speaker 7: said he just landed from Ukraine. I said, that's a
• 33:11
  Speaker 7: long trip to Mecca said, he sounded a little tired,
• 33:14
  Speaker 7: but perfect, but it's a little bit tired. He could
• 33:17
  Speaker 7: have been his last corp. I don't know exactly, but
• 33:19
  Speaker 7: I got a message about one o'clock in the morning
• 33:22
  Speaker 7: from one of the people in his office that he
• 33:25
  Speaker 7: had passed away. I said, you can't believe it. He
• 33:30
  Speaker 7: was like a member of the family. To me, it's
• 33:31
  Speaker 7: very tough.
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: Actually, it's amazing, like a member of the family. Josha
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: Lindsey Graham was seeking another term in the Senate in
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: the midterms. What are the Republicans going to do there?
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: They'd be scrambling to find a replacement, I'd imagine.
• 33:49
  Speaker 11: So the process of South for Aline I understand it,
• 33:51
  Speaker 11: Rita is it is going to be a runoff on
• 33:54
  Speaker 11: August eleventh, base based on the party's own internal rules.
• 33:58
  Speaker 11: So that's coming up in just out of a month to
• 34:00
  Speaker 11: the essentially going to be a mad dash. Until then,
• 34:02
  Speaker 11: I will say that you've had some South Caunia Republicans
• 34:05
  Speaker 11: who opportunistically have decided to try to get in before
• 34:09
  Speaker 11: the body is even before it's even cold yet frankly,
• 34:12
  Speaker 11: while the body is still warm. And saw on Nancy
• 34:14
  Speaker 11: Mace of South Carolina, who most recently just finished fifth
• 34:16
  Speaker 11: in her groubernatorial primary there in the Palmetto state. She
• 34:20
  Speaker 11: tweeted out this this giff of al Pacino and the
• 34:22
  Speaker 11: Godfather Part three. Every time I think them out, they
• 34:24
  Speaker 11: pulled me back in, which kind of funny because there's
• 34:26
  Speaker 11: literally no one trying to pull Nancy Mace into this race.
• 34:29
  Speaker 22: Against she just finished.
• 34:30
  Speaker 11: She fished, he's fashing fifth place in the groupatorial primary.
• 34:34
  Speaker 11: More generally, I think a lot of House Republicans are
• 34:36
  Speaker 11: are trying to tell Henry McMaster, who's the Republican government
• 34:39
  Speaker 11: South prodin there's they're telling him, do not pick a
• 34:43
  Speaker 11: South Carolina House Republican for this seat on an interim basis,
• 34:48
  Speaker 11: because the margin for Mike Johnson as the House Speaker
• 34:50
  Speaker 11: is so small they didn't want to lose to the
• 34:51
  Speaker 11: congressman at all. Potentially to a permanent seat there. So
• 34:55
  Speaker 11: Trump teased I think I believe it was on the
• 34:57
  Speaker 11: same meet the present interview that we just saw with
• 34:59
  Speaker 11: Kristen Welker. I think tease the fact that he has
• 35:01
  Speaker 11: someone in mind for the seats. I'm not entirely sure
• 35:04
  Speaker 11: who it is. South Carolina is a very red state,
• 35:08
  Speaker 11: very long rich history, one of the original thirteen colonies
• 35:11
  Speaker 11: going back to the American Revolution, a quarter from millennium ago,
• 35:13
  Speaker 11: so there's no shortage of capable conservatives who could fill
• 35:17
  Speaker 11: that seat. The irony READI is that for many, many
• 35:21
  Speaker 11: many years, In fact, in my earlier adulthood, I was
• 35:23
  Speaker 11: one of the ones pushing for it. Many of us
• 35:25
  Speaker 11: actually wanted to get a primary challenge to Lindsay Grahm,
• 35:27
  Speaker 11: because again, Lindsay Graham is not necessarily a mac Republican.
• 35:29
  Speaker 11: He very much was an old school throwback there. So
• 35:32
  Speaker 11: this could potentially have I don't want to say a
• 35:34
  Speaker 11: happy ending, because it's a horrific, horrific tragedy, but you
• 35:37
  Speaker 11: could potentially get a more conservaive replacement there. On the
• 35:39
  Speaker 11: other hand, there's also a lot of Boeing money, a
• 35:42
  Speaker 11: lot of Qatar investments out of the Caroline South. Carolin's
• 35:45
  Speaker 11: a very complicated states, so you could get a more
• 35:47
  Speaker 11: problematic person as well. It could really go in one
• 35:49
  Speaker 11: of multiple directions. There the fascinates to who Donald fromp haas.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: In Minds Josha right.
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: Lindsay Graham was a polarizing figure even amongst Republicans, but
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: one of his great moments came when he stood up
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: to the crazy, ugly tactics of Democrats who were smearing
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanagh.
• 36:09
  Speaker 24: If you wanted an FBI investigation, you could have come
• 36:12
  Speaker 24: to us. What you want to do is destroy this
• 36:15
  Speaker 24: guy's life, hold this seat open, and hope you went
• 36:19
  Speaker 24: in twenty twenty. You've said that, not me. You've got
• 36:24
  Speaker 24: nothing to apologize for. When you see Soda Maron Kagan,
• 36:28
  Speaker 24: tell him that Lindsay said, Oh, because I voted for them,
• 36:32
  Speaker 24: I would never do to them what you've done to
• 36:34
  Speaker 24: this guy.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: This is the.
• 36:36
  Speaker 24: Most unethical sham since I've been in politics. And if
• 36:43
  Speaker 24: you really wanted to know the truth, you sure as
• 36:45
  Speaker 24: hell wouldn't have done what you've done to this guy.
• 36:48
  Speaker 24: Are you a gang rapist?
• 36:51
  Speaker 13: No?
• 36:52
  Speaker 24: I cannot imagine what you and your family have gone
• 36:55
  Speaker 24: through boy, y'all want power. God, I hope you never
• 36:58
  Speaker 24: get it. I hope they're American people can see through
• 37:01
  Speaker 24: this sham.
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: Such a disgraceful period in American politics. Josh and Lindsey
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: Graham was one of the strongest voices against that baseless
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: smear campaign that was being run against Brick Kavanagh.
• 37:16
  Speaker 11: You know, this was one of one of the most
• 37:18
  Speaker 11: foundational moments in my political lifetime. Actually, I remember, like
• 37:22
  Speaker 11: was yesterday, September twenty eighteen. It was the year that
• 37:24
  Speaker 11: I was clerking on the Federal Court Appeals myself. I
• 37:27
  Speaker 11: remember watching this hearing like frankly, like was yesterday, and
• 37:30
  Speaker 11: Lindsay Graham. We called him Lindsay two point zero at
• 37:33
  Speaker 11: the time because where was this guy? I mean, formerly,
• 37:35
  Speaker 11: Lindsay Graham was the amnesty guy. He was the guy
• 37:37
  Speaker 11: who was teaming up with John McCain and Chuck Schumer
• 37:39
  Speaker 11: to try to pass the Gang of an amnesty bill
• 37:41
  Speaker 11: back in twenty thirteen. He was the establishment and then
• 37:44
  Speaker 11: he came out swinging and swinging and swinging, and that
• 37:46
  Speaker 11: was a viral moment. It was one of maybe the
• 37:49
  Speaker 11: single greatest moment of Lindsay Graham's US Senate career, and
• 37:53
  Speaker 11: it did a lot, frankly, to rile up the passions
• 37:56
  Speaker 11: and emotions during that very contentious week to try make
• 37:58
  Speaker 11: to try to ensure that bread Kav and I did
• 38:00
  Speaker 11: indeed end up on the US Supreme Court. It was
• 38:02
  Speaker 11: Lindsay Graham at his absolute best, a man who was
• 38:05
  Speaker 11: not always a bare knuckle brawler, but when the stakes
• 38:08
  Speaker 11: were high, he came to play, and he ultimately knew
• 38:10
  Speaker 11: what was right for South Carolina and right for his country.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: Now let's talk about Iran.
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: US officials are warning that there will be a bigger
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: wave of attacks on Iranian military sites, so targeting missile
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: and drone bases. And meanwhile we've got Iran's top negotiator,
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: Mohammad Bakha Kali Bath, posting this on x He wrote,
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: the era of one sided deals is over. We told
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: you keep your word or pay the price. Reality is knocking.
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: Very dramatic, Josh, what can we expect next in this conflict?
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: And do you agree with those who are arguing that
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: the Iranian regime has now been strengthened by this conflict?
• 38:55
  Speaker 22: Well, I'm not sure it's been strengthened.
• 38:57
  Speaker 11: The Atole Company has been taken out to many of
• 38:59
  Speaker 11: the other top leaders have been taken out. I will say, Rita,
• 39:03
  Speaker 11: that I've been publicly critical of the way that some
• 39:05
  Speaker 11: of this has has gone on over the past few mins.
• 39:07
  Speaker 11: I do think that President Trump called a premature ceasefire
• 39:10
  Speaker 11: in April eighth. When you, in my estimation, when when
• 39:13
  Speaker 11: you have your foot on the throat of the opposition,
• 39:15
  Speaker 11: you should go ahead and try to finish the job,
• 39:17
  Speaker 11: not try to essentially bake for some sort of ceasefire.
• 39:20
  Speaker 11: The good news that the United States is now going
• 39:22
  Speaker 11: back in We've been hitting them very hard over the
• 39:24
  Speaker 11: past week. As far as where it goes from here,
• 39:27
  Speaker 11: I would be lying to you if I said I
• 39:29
  Speaker 11: had any idea. Frankly, I'm not entirely sure, Rita, if
• 39:31
  Speaker 11: President Trump knows exactly where is going to go from here.
• 39:33
  Speaker 11: I feel I feel a little bad for do on
• 39:35
  Speaker 11: Trum because I think Donald Trump desperately wants this to
• 39:38
  Speaker 11: be over. He really, really really wants to go into November,
• 39:40
  Speaker 11: focus on the economy, focus on the home front. And
• 39:42
  Speaker 11: I don't blame him at all. I totally get of
• 39:45
  Speaker 11: the commedy inflation. These are the top issues on most
• 39:48
  Speaker 11: American voters' minds. But the problem is that this regime
• 39:52
  Speaker 11: is they are who they are. Okay, they are weakened,
• 39:56
  Speaker 11: but but but but but they're still there, and they're
• 39:58
  Speaker 11: fundamentally fighting not on a rational basis, because they are
• 40:01
  Speaker 11: not rational actors.
• 40:03
  Speaker 22: They are acting out.
• 40:03
  Speaker 11: They're lashing out for idiological ends, and something greater is
• 40:06
  Speaker 11: going to have to happen. I've said for months and
• 40:08
  Speaker 11: months now, reader that the easiest way to finish the
• 40:11
  Speaker 11: job is to go in there really quick, really hard,
• 40:14
  Speaker 11: to finish the job on your own terms, and then
• 40:16
  Speaker 11: get the heck out, rip the bandaid off. This constant
• 40:19
  Speaker 11: back and forth is not doing anyone any favors, and
• 40:22
  Speaker 11: it's frankly not going to help Republicans this fall. I
• 40:24
  Speaker 11: think the best way to handles at this point is
• 40:26
  Speaker 11: to go in hard, going quick, and finish this darm job.
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: Are you suggesting they send ground troops in to finish
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: the job?
• 40:35
  Speaker 11: I don't think ground troops are necessary. But there are
• 40:37
  Speaker 11: four key goals in mindrita that I've been saying personally
• 40:40
  Speaker 11: in my capacity. I think that they are one A
• 40:42
  Speaker 11: free and open straight or four moves to an end
• 40:44
  Speaker 11: to the regime's funding of the regional proxies three and
• 40:47
  Speaker 11: end to the blissed missile threat, and for some sort
• 40:50
  Speaker 11: of resolution to the nuclear issue could be as simple
• 40:52
  Speaker 11: as ferreting and out of the country under armed under
• 40:55
  Speaker 11: arms provision. I don't think that you necessarily need ground
• 40:57
  Speaker 11: troops for that, but I'm still into the deep the
• 41:00
  Speaker 11: deminstration to lay out a very clear articulation as to
• 41:03
  Speaker 11: what the exact goals are. I think to start there
• 41:06
  Speaker 11: and then work your way backwards to calibrate the means.
• 41:08
  Speaker 22: Beau.
• 41:08
  Speaker 11: I'm mure we've we've heard that exact clear delination goals
• 41:11
  Speaker 11: as I just defined them in.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: Josh Hamma. Thank you so much for your time tonight.
• 41:16
  Speaker 22: Thank you sure.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: Coming up, A prominent transactivist celebrates the horrific murder of
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: former Conservative MP and Whittcombe. Darren Grimes has the details.
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: Welcome back. Let's now go to the UK where transactivist
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: Heather Herbert, an employed Aberdeen University and former political candidate,
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: is under investigation for celebrating the murder of former Conservative
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: MP and Whittacombe. Whittacombe was found dead in her home
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: last week, with UK police now treating the death as
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: a murder. Herbert responded to a news report of Wittickom's
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: passing with the comments, I hope it was an extremely
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: painful death. I hope she was handcuffed to the bed
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: as she screamed in agony. Joining me now to discuss
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: this and more is reform UK councilor Darren Grimes. Darren,
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: this vile character is a former labor candidate in Scotland.
• 42:27
  Speaker 13: Yeah, absolutely, I think Rita it speaks. Does it not
• 42:30
  Speaker 13: to the mental sickness of the transactivist movement? You know,
• 42:35
  Speaker 13: ultimately this is a person now under investigation by Aberdeen University.
• 42:40
  Speaker 13: They weren't criticizing Ann's politics. This was somebody actually reading
• 42:45
  Speaker 13: that a seventy eight year old woman had died alone
• 42:49
  Speaker 13: and publicly hope, and that she'd suffered the most excruciating
• 42:52
  Speaker 13: death possible, which now, of course we fear that she
• 42:55
  Speaker 13: did so. Ultimately lay there, Rita in a pool of
• 43:00
  Speaker 13: blood for twenty four hours, and I'm not ashamed to
• 43:03
  Speaker 13: say that when I read that, I actually wept myself.
• 43:06
  Speaker 13: So I do view this as a sick individual that
• 43:11
  Speaker 13: hoped that Anne had been restrained, hoping that she'd screamed,
• 43:15
  Speaker 13: And when it emerged that Anne's death was being treated
• 43:18
  Speaker 13: as murder, didn't have a sudden streak of human decency
• 43:22
  Speaker 13: but actually doubled down. That's to me what politics without
• 43:26
  Speaker 13: actual humanity looks like. It's a sickness reata.
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: And these are people who present themselves as kind and
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: tolerant and would tell you that words of violence and
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: then they spread thoughts like that. Now, what can you
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: tell me about the police investigation into this murder and
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: the suspect that they have in custody. Police are saying
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: there's no political motivation behind this murder.
• 43:57
  Speaker 13: Yeah, So the latest position is that the police do
• 43:59
  Speaker 13: have a in custody. A twenty eight year old was
• 44:02
  Speaker 13: arrested in Rotherham, which, for the viewers that don't know,
• 44:05
  Speaker 13: that's over two hundred and seventy miles away from Anne's home,
• 44:09
  Speaker 13: and the detectives say that they're actually not looking for
• 44:11
  Speaker 13: anybody else. But they've also said that there's nothing at
• 44:14
  Speaker 13: this stage to indicate a political motive or indeed a
• 44:17
  Speaker 13: terrorist motive. But ultimately I have to admit being a
• 44:22
  Speaker 13: little bit lost here. Why rita with someone two hundred
• 44:25
  Speaker 13: and seventy miles away, traveled to a specific property which
• 44:30
  Speaker 13: had Anne's name within the name of the property, and
• 44:34
  Speaker 13: they tell us with absolute certainty that they don't believe
• 44:37
  Speaker 13: there's political motivation, you know, and spent part of her
• 44:40
  Speaker 13: career responsible for the criminal justice system. So this isn't
• 44:44
  Speaker 13: me wanting to prejudice a future trial or whatever else.
• 44:48
  Speaker 13: But I do admit being very lost when you have,
• 44:52
  Speaker 13: you know, the fact that they did travel all of
• 44:56
  Speaker 13: this way to one specific property and you can rule
• 44:59
  Speaker 13: out a political motive, and I just it doesn't pass
• 45:04
  Speaker 13: a smell test for me right now.
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: Rita, Well, it does seem a little bit premature to
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: be coming out and saying that they are in the
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: preliminary stages here, Like how they can come to that
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: conclusion so solidly is a mystery to me. But on
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: Anne Whittacombe, her death really is just such an absolute tragedy.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: She was a trial bro blazer.
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: I have a look at this speech she made back
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: in twenty nineteen where she vow to protect the right
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: to free speech.
• 45:41
  Speaker 25: Nobody has the right to live their lives being protected
• 45:47
  Speaker 25: from a fence or from insult or from hurt feelings.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: It is an.
• 45:52
  Speaker 25: Occupational hazard of living in society and if you really
• 45:58
  Speaker 25: can't take it, become a hermit.
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: Darren, what do you say as her legacy, how will
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: she be remembered?
• 46:07
  Speaker 13: So for me, Rita, her legacy is actually wanting to
• 46:11
  Speaker 13: fight for the right for people to be free to
• 46:16
  Speaker 13: speak their mind. And I think for many on the
• 46:18
  Speaker 13: political left that went on to be broadcasters like Sky
• 46:22
  Speaker 13: News to speak about Anne's personal life in the most
• 46:25
  Speaker 13: grotesque way possible, she would have defended their right to
• 46:28
  Speaker 13: do it. That is the irony in all of this.
• 46:31
  Speaker 13: The people who constantly lectured the rest of us about
• 46:33
  Speaker 13: kindness or compassion suddenly actually discovered that their compassion is
• 46:38
  Speaker 13: linked to party political terms and conditions. But she would
• 46:42
  Speaker 13: have fought for that, the dehumanization of Anne, she would
• 46:45
  Speaker 13: have fought for that. She was someone who believed passionately
• 46:50
  Speaker 13: in the rights and values that our nation represents, not
• 46:54
  Speaker 13: just at home but around the world. She was the
• 46:56
  Speaker 13: real deal. She possessed views they didn't possess her. You know,
• 47:00
  Speaker 13: she spent twenty three years in Parliament. She fought for
• 47:04
  Speaker 13: reform UK. Later in life, after ditching the Tories. She
• 47:08
  Speaker 13: was a fighter for this nation. Fundamentally a patriot. She
• 47:12
  Speaker 13: could flatten an argument and tell you precisely why you
• 47:15
  Speaker 13: were wrong, but remain perfectly capable of treating you with
• 47:19
  Speaker 13: human dignity and warmth afterwards. And that's a distinction that
• 47:23
  Speaker 13: separates her from the political left that now have welcomed
• 47:27
  Speaker 13: and celebrated her death. I find it. She was a
• 47:31
  Speaker 13: phenomenal woman. She will be missed, like you wouldn't believe, Rita,
• 47:35
  Speaker 13: we need an army of Anne's Sadly we've got one
• 47:38
  Speaker 13: viewer today.
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: I'm just absolutely shocked that when you have someone murdered
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: in this brutal fashion, this tragic death, but you still
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: have elements of the left coming out and celebrating the
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: death or speaking about her personal life.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: You mentioned that they're.
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: Being certain interviews and certain conjecture about her personal life,
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: which is just so disgusting and frankly misogynistic. And they
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: would never do that to a woman from the left.
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: There would never treat violence against a woman from the
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: left in a manner that they're treating.
• 48:18
  Speaker 13: This, absolutely right, Rita, you know there is a double standard,
• 48:23
  Speaker 13: isn't there that actually you get a free pass if
• 48:26
  Speaker 13: it's a politician on the right that's argued for border
• 48:29
  Speaker 13: controls or against the trans movement, whatever else it might be.
• 48:32
  Speaker 13: She was fundamentally a common sense politician and she did this.
• 48:37
  Speaker 13: She could have retired right She bought that property that
• 48:40
  Speaker 13: she was murdered in ultimately as a retirement home and
• 48:45
  Speaker 13: she would sit with a brandy in her swimming pool
• 48:48
  Speaker 13: and enjoying the fruits of that. But she decided that
• 48:51
  Speaker 13: she would campaign. She would campaign again for or form UK,
• 48:55
  Speaker 13: recognizing what was happening to our country, and people view
• 48:58
  Speaker 13: that as licensed to treat her with the most depraved
• 49:03
  Speaker 13: sense of glee and jubilation at the fact that she
• 49:08
  Speaker 13: had died. Reader, it says of a sickness at the
• 49:11
  Speaker 13: heart of our politics. And I'm afraid it's a sickness
• 49:14
  Speaker 13: that emanates almost uniquely from the political left.
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: Sadly, it is evident here, it's certainly evident in the
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: US as well. Before you go, your leader, Nigel Farage
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: is going into a by election, tell me about what's
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: happening with reform right now.
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: You've had a rocky period of light.
• 49:37
  Speaker 13: So look, ultimately, this is about Nigel saying, look, the
• 49:41
  Speaker 13: political establishment, be that the media class or the political
• 49:44
  Speaker 13: class in this country, the established parties, they're both. They're
• 49:48
  Speaker 13: all coming at him and saying that he ought to
• 49:51
  Speaker 13: consider his position down to the fact that he had
• 49:54
  Speaker 13: received money for his security before he became a politician. Well,
• 49:57
  Speaker 13: all of the stories that we've discussed recently, I would
• 50:00
  Speaker 13: suggest argue that a prominent politician, perhaps the most high
• 50:04
  Speaker 13: profile politician in the country today, needs security like you
• 50:08
  Speaker 13: wouldn't believe. I thank god that he has security because
• 50:13
  Speaker 13: the political class in this nation who are in power,
• 50:16
  Speaker 13: took away seventy percent of his state security, so now
• 50:20
  Speaker 13: he needs private security. So he's saying to the people
• 50:23
  Speaker 13: of Clacton, the constituency in which he was very pleased
• 50:27
  Speaker 13: to be elected and honored to be elected. He's saying
• 50:30
  Speaker 13: to them, you are the people that decide whether or
• 50:33
  Speaker 13: not I continue in political life, and he's putting it
• 50:36
  Speaker 13: directly to them. Rita, I say, that's the honorable.
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: That would
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: Darren Grimes, thank you so much for your time tonight,
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: and that's it from May Newsnight is up next.