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Joe Rogan Experience _1976 - James Fox(M4A_128K) · Drawn of History

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  Speaker 1: The Joe Rogan Experience.
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  Speaker 2: Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
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  Speaker 3: Okay. Hello, James. Hello. Good to see you, my man.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me on.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, my pleasure. The moment I saw that documentary, I
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  Speaker 3: was like, wow. Let me just be honest, off the bat.
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  Speaker 3: I loved your first documentary, but when someone says there's
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  Speaker 3: a documentary about a crashed UFO and it happened in Brazil,
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  Speaker 3: I'm always like, man, people tell stories. You know, I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: maybe it was one of those. Like, I didn't think
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  Speaker 3: too much of it. When I hear stories, even Roswell,
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  Speaker 3: I always go, I don't know. I don't know. It's
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  Speaker 3: so hard to know. 1947, you know, I think some
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  Speaker 3: shenanigans were going on. But what was it really? And
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  Speaker 3: how much of this is just people tell stories and
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  Speaker 3: those stories grow and change over the years. And, you know,
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  Speaker 3: almost like the story becomes their real memory after a
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  Speaker 3: while because they've been doing it for, you know, so many,
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  Speaker 3: so many years. But then this one. This one, just
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  Speaker 3: right away, the way you captured all the information and
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  Speaker 3: the evidence and the eyewitness accounts, the photographs that people got,
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  Speaker 3: the depictions of the actual being, the fact that there
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  Speaker 3: was live beings, this is a— and everyone that didn't even
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  Speaker 3: know each other having these, like, really similar stories about
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  Speaker 3: what they saw and when people got a hold of
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  Speaker 3: the wreckage, like, When you first started making this documentary,
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  Speaker 3: did you have any apprehension like, oh, this one, how
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  Speaker 3: do I sell a documentary on a crashed UFO? Like,
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  Speaker 3: what's the best way to put this together? Because that's
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  Speaker 3: part of the art of what you do, right?
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  Speaker 1: You were skeptical. Let me tell you how skeptical I was. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So I was making my second documentary on UFOs in
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  Speaker 1: the late 90s. I just finished a documentary called UFOs,
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  Speaker 1: 50 Years of Denial. I'm starting on my second film.
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  Speaker 1: It was 1999. And I partner up with a couple
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  Speaker 1: of guys. Boris Zuboff has been a partner. I'm still
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  Speaker 1: working with him today. And this guy, Tim Coleman, who's
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  Speaker 1: a British reporter. And we like mapping out the film
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  Speaker 1: concept like, hey, we should cover this case and we
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  Speaker 1: should do that. And he's like, hey, mate, we got
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  Speaker 1: to do this amazing UFO crash in Brazil with these aliens.
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  Speaker 1: We're walking around the town. And I looked at the
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  Speaker 1: guy and I thought, I think I picked the wrong partner.
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  Speaker 1: This guy's fucking batshit crazy. And literally, I dismissed it
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  Speaker 1: on the spot, and I refused to even read one
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  Speaker 1: word about it. I said, there's no way in hell
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  Speaker 1: that that happened, and the whole world doesn't know about it. Right.
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  Speaker 1: So I have to remind your audience, I was making
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  Speaker 1: my second documentary.
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  Speaker 3: On UFOs.
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  Speaker 1: On UFOs, and I dismissed it like this fast. Like
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  Speaker 1: how fast can you say howdy doody?
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  Speaker 3: It just always seems like if someone's telling you about
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  Speaker 3: something like that, like you would have heard about it.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely. I, I can't tell you Joe, how quickly I
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  Speaker 1: dismissed it. And I didn't look into it till 2011. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So here's what happened. I'm going to, I get invited
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  Speaker 1: by this guy, AJ Javard to a place called, uh, in, um, in, uh, Brazil. And, uh,
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  Speaker 1: I'm speaking at a conference about a film I did called,
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  Speaker 1: I know what I saw. And, uh, This guy calls me,
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  Speaker 1: Jeff Sagansky. He was very high up on the food
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  Speaker 1: chain in the entertainment industry. He's been kind of like
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  Speaker 1: my mentor and opening doors for me over the years.
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  Speaker 1: And I've asked him over a period of time, like,
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  Speaker 1: why are you so kind to me? He's a very
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  Speaker 1: wealthy guy in New York. And he goes, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Jackie Gleason told me one time that these things were real.
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  Speaker 1: Don't listen to anybody else. I know for a fact.
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  Speaker 1: And so when I saw you as an independent, struggling
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  Speaker 1: young filmmaker, I always wanted to lend a helping hand.
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  Speaker 1: And by the way, you're going to Brazil, you've got
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  Speaker 1: to look into that Varginha case. And I thought, oh God,
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  Speaker 1: not this again, right? Swear to God. So I was like, well,
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  Speaker 1: I had a lot of respect for Jeff Sagansky. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you can look him up. The guy's very famous. I mean, very,
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  Speaker 1: he's big time. And I said, oh yeah, sure, Jeff,
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  Speaker 1: I'll look into that for you while I'm in Brazil.
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  Speaker 1: And just to be nice, right? But in the back
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  Speaker 1: of my mind, I was like, I'm not wasting one
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  Speaker 1: second on that stupid case. Seriously, I'm telling you honest
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  Speaker 1: to God truth. And it was 2011. So I go
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  Speaker 1: to Brazil with no intention of looking into it. Zero. Okay?
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't even going to ask one question. And it
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  Speaker 1: just so happens that nuclear physicist and UFO researcher Stanton Friedman,
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  Speaker 1: rest in peace, and he is there at the conference.
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  Speaker 1: And somehow the case gets brought up. It wasn't about
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  Speaker 1: that case, but it gets brought up. And he's like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I was in Brazil when that went down. And he's
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  Speaker 1: one of the smarter guys. Stanton Friedman? He is not
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  Speaker 1: an idiot. I mean, he's one of the reasons why
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  Speaker 1: him and Don Schmidt and Kevin Randall, one of the
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  Speaker 1: reasons why we're even talking about Roswell. And he's like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I was here when that happened. I met some of
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  Speaker 1: the witnesses. So then that kind of piqued my interest.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, okay, well, God's Stanton. I can't
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  Speaker 1: completely dismiss coming from Stanton. Then I met a couple
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  Speaker 1: of people at the conference. So I thought, okay, well,
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  Speaker 1: I piqued my interest. I've got to be honest with you.
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  Speaker 1: And that's how it all started. And that was like
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  Speaker 1: in 2011. And I was going to include a segment
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  Speaker 1: of it in the phenomenon.
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  Speaker 3: The interview with Stanton is that, did you get that?
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  Speaker 1: I got that in 2013 in Brazil.
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  Speaker 3: Because he died when?
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  Speaker 1: He died like a couple years ago. He died in
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  Speaker 1: the airport. You know what he told me? He's like a... James,
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  Speaker 1: I'm retiring. I can't do this anymore. I live in
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  Speaker 1: Canada in this remote spot. There are no direct flights.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm always running in the airports trying to get
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  Speaker 1: my connecting flight. And I just, I can't do it anymore.
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  Speaker 1: And then he retired for like a year or so.
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  Speaker 1: And then he just, he had to get back at it.
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  Speaker 1: And he died in the airport running for a connecting flight.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, he had a heart attack? He had a heart attack. Oh, no.
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  Speaker 1: That's exactly what he predicted.
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  Speaker 3: God damn it.
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  Speaker 1: I know, right? And I just like.
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  Speaker 3: He was a fascinating guy because he was an outspoken
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  Speaker 3: critic of Lazar. And I always wanted to get the
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  Speaker 3: two of them together. I was like, I wanted to see.
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  Speaker 3: Because one of the things that the critics of Lazar
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  Speaker 3: always bring up is his education at MIT. I can
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  Speaker 3: explain that to you off air in the way that
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  Speaker 3: he explained it to me. And it might make sense.
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  Speaker 3: But I think that it's hard to dismiss that he
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  Speaker 3: worked at that lab. Los Alamos Labs had him on
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  Speaker 3: their list of people that worked there. Like he was
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  Speaker 3: on the... whatever that thing is that they have with
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  Speaker 3: all the list of employees. He was in it. He
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  Speaker 3: worked there. He knew all the people that worked there.
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  Speaker 3: He knew how it was set up. When they took
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  Speaker 3: him there, he knew the security guys. He knew the
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  Speaker 3: machines that they used. They had some sort of a
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  Speaker 3: scanner that measured the length of your digits exactly. So
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  Speaker 3: you put your hand on this thing, and he talked
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  Speaker 3: about it, and everybody was like, what? That doesn't even exist.
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  Speaker 3: And then years later, people got photographs of this thing.
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  Speaker 1: George Knapp said he went through that Los Alamos laboratory, like,
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  Speaker 1: just right through. Let me tell you, this is something
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  Speaker 1: that just came in yesterday that I can, for the
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  Speaker 1: first time ever, talk about in full detail. I've talked about,
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  Speaker 1: I did a couple of podcasts where I gave, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, in 1993, 94, I was working on my
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  Speaker 1: first film.
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  Speaker 3: I talked about it earlier.
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  Speaker 1: It's called UFOs. It's so 90s, but whatever.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: UFOs, 50 years of denial. It's like 80 years of
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  Speaker 1: denial now. And I was interviewing this guy out at
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  Speaker 1: Area 50. He lived on the outskirts of the base
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  Speaker 1: in a place called, near the Little Alien in Rachel, Nevada.
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  Speaker 1: And Chuck, this guy's name is Chuck Clark. And he
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  Speaker 1: had found all these, and the relevance of what I'm
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  Speaker 1: telling you will come to light in a second here.
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  Speaker 1: He'd found all these vantage points on the mountaintops that
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  Speaker 1: he could spy on the base down below with high-powered
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  Speaker 1: telescopes straight, with cameras, and he was taking photographs of
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  Speaker 1: exotic airplanes coming out of hangars and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 1: He wrote a book called UFO Area 51 Handbook and
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  Speaker 1: Guide or something. He was an amateur astronomer, and he
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  Speaker 1: had a couple of really cool sightings out at Area
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  Speaker 1: 51 that were really, like he saw these, it's in
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  Speaker 1: my movie, he saw these lights doing things that they
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  Speaker 1: shouldn't be doing, right? Like traversing and then stopping and
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  Speaker 1: then taking off really fast. So anyway, so I'm covering
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  Speaker 1: his story because I was intrigued. I mean, in the
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  Speaker 1: early 90s, the Bob Lazar thing was everywhere. I was
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  Speaker 1: making a doc on UFOs, so I was kind of
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  Speaker 1: looking into it. I wouldn't just like categorically believe it,
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  Speaker 1: but I'll look into it. So I was looking into it.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm going back and forth out there for many times.
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  Speaker 1: And then one day, I get a phone call from
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  Speaker 1: Chuck Clark. And I'm back at home in Northern California.
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  Speaker 1: And this is kind of a long way away. And
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  Speaker 1: he goes, James, I got something you need to see.
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  Speaker 1: I said, okay, well, what is it? I can't tell you.
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  Speaker 1: But your jaw's going to hit the floor when you
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  Speaker 1: see it. I was like, that good? He goes, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that good. I said, I'm canceling all my plans, jumped
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  Speaker 1: in my car, and I drove straight through to Rachel, Nevada.
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  Speaker 1: I get to his house. This must have been, I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to guesstimate, 95, 94, 95. Get to his house,
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  Speaker 1: and he's got a double wide right near the little alien.
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  Speaker 1: And he pops in this VHS tape. And it was
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  Speaker 1: like two guys on the quintessential road trip just to
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  Speaker 1: Area 51. You know, the surrounding areas, Rachel and the
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  Speaker 1: extraterrestrial Lonely Highway. And they're goofing off the alien, taking
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  Speaker 1: videos of each other. Just the typical road trip out
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  Speaker 1: to Area 51, right?
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  Speaker 3: Blair Witch Project.
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  Speaker 1: Totally. And then they're goofing off next to the photographs
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  Speaker 1: of the alien in the crash disc. And then they're
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  Speaker 1: inside the little alien. And I'm like, okay, where's this going?
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  Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, and I saw this with
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  Speaker 1: my own eyes. All of a sudden, the car's parked.
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  Speaker 1: And it's parked out by the black mailbox in the desert.
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  Speaker 1: And it's dusk. The camera is on the armrest between
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  Speaker 1: the two seats. And it's slightly cocked. Like it's like,
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  Speaker 1: it's not level. And it's filming the dashboard and the screen,
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  Speaker 1: the windscreen, windshield. And there's two guys in there sounding like,
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  Speaker 1: you can't see them, sounding like they're trying to crawl
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  Speaker 1: under the seats. I mean, they're freaking out. And then
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  Speaker 1: one of them goes, it's over the top of us.
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  Speaker 1: It's over the top of us. I'm like, damn, what
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  Speaker 1: is this video? Like, what am I, you know? Then
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  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the car lights up on the inside.
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  Speaker 1: But the source of light... is above it, like if
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  Speaker 1: you can imagine, I've never seen anything like this. If
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  Speaker 1: you could put a pendulum with a light source above
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  Speaker 1: a vehicle, like above the car, like this, but very
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  Speaker 1: slow and fluid motion, like rocking back and forth, the
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  Speaker 1: shadows and the lights on the inside of the car
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  Speaker 1: are doing this really eerily. You've never seen anything like it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking like, my God, what is going on? And
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  Speaker 1: they're very scared. And one kid, who's the younger of
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  Speaker 1: the two, is like, I'm getting out. I'm getting out
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  Speaker 1: of the car. I'm staying in the car. It's over
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  Speaker 1: the top. I'm staying in the fucking car. He goes, no,
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  Speaker 1: I'm getting out. And he gets out. And he videotapes
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  Speaker 1: a disc that was so low you could have hit
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  Speaker 1: it with a rock. And I'm looking at this thing.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm like, that's what all the witnesses have tried
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  Speaker 1: to describe. That's like, if you could imagine the skin
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  Speaker 1: on the craft. Glowing like phosphorus on a beach. That's
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  Speaker 1: what it looked like. Like the skin was alive. And
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  Speaker 1: it had like a yellowy orange color to it. But
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  Speaker 1: you could clearly see it was a disc. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it was not an orb. It was a disc. But
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  Speaker 1: the metal lit up like it was alive. I'd never
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  Speaker 1: seen anything like it. And it just wobbled like it
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  Speaker 1: was unstable. Like doing this. And the camera guy goes.
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  Speaker 1: And then something about the batteries and then boom, it
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  Speaker 1: shuts off. I looked over at Chuck Clark. I said,
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  Speaker 1: this is the video everyone's been waiting for. Unbelievable.
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  Speaker 3: How do you know this is real? Because every- If
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  Speaker 3: it's not real- All my BS meters are going off
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  Speaker 3: right now.
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  Speaker 1: Fair enough. I get it. Fair enough. I saw this
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  Speaker 1: video with my own eyes.
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  Speaker 3: Of course. It's a video, though. It's a video, for sure.
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  Speaker 3: No question about it. And you know they make fake videos.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely. It was 1995 and they could have, but why wouldn't...
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  Speaker 1: 1995 is harder. Yeah, but why? It's never been released
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  Speaker 1: to the public. Why would you create a fake video?
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  Speaker 3: What year did you see it?
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  Speaker 1: I saw it like 95.
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  Speaker 3: And so it's out there somewhere. No, it's not.
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  Speaker 1: Chuck Clark's got a copy of it. The story continues.
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  Speaker 3: No, but I mean, someone has it.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, in fact, if
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  Speaker 1: those two boys that shot it are out there, please
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  Speaker 1: come forward. Like, please.
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  Speaker 3: How come no one's acquired this?
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  Speaker 1: So I said to Chuck, oh, my God, this is great.
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  Speaker 1: I can use this in my movie, right? Great. He goes, oh, no. No, no,
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  Speaker 1: they're terrified. I said, well, look, just put me in
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  Speaker 1: touch with the guys. You don't have to, like, give.
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  Speaker 3: Well, wait a minute. They're terrified, but they give it
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  Speaker 3: to a guy who lives in a trailer?
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  Speaker 1: Hey, I'm just telling you.
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  Speaker 3: Do you know what I'm saying, though?
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, I'm really terrified. I don't want this getting out,
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  Speaker 3: but I'm going to give it to you.
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  Speaker 1: I get it.
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  Speaker 3: Guy who lives in a trailer.
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  Speaker 1: I get it.
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  Speaker 3: What does this guy do for a living?
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  Speaker 1: He was a former military guy, and he's retired.
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  Speaker 3: Just a retired military guy. Sit with me for a
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  Speaker 3: minute here. This guy's a fed. He doesn't even live there.
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  Speaker 3: He probably put on some fucking overalls.
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  Speaker 1: To hang out with you.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so the story gets better. Is his name Ray Epps?
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  Speaker 3: I know, Joe.
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  Speaker 1: Believe me, I get it. But the story gets better,
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  Speaker 1: so sit tight. Okay, okay. Because I went on a
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  Speaker 1: couple of podcasts and I said, screw it. I don't
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  Speaker 1: care anymore. I saw this video. I'm going to start
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  Speaker 1: talking about it. Chuck Clark said, if you ask me
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  Speaker 1: again after like 10 years or 12 years, I'm never
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  Speaker 1: talking to you again. So I was like, I of
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  Speaker 1: course asked him again. I said, I'll give you 30
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  Speaker 1: grand for the video. And he's not talking to me.
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  Speaker 1: So I went on like a concrete podcast and I
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  Speaker 1: went on this guy, Julian Dorian's podcast. And I went
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  Speaker 1: on a bunch of other podcasts and I gave the
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  Speaker 1: whole story. Let's let somebody else pick up the ball
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  Speaker 1: and run with it. I'm just telling you what I saw. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: I get contacted a couple of years ago by a
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  Speaker 1: guy who goes, I saw that video too. Then another
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  Speaker 1: guy contacts me and he goes, I'm a private investigator.
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  Speaker 1: I find people. I said, well, his name's Chuck Clark.
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  Speaker 1: Go to it. So he finds him. Right at that time,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going on the Impulsive podcast with Logan Paul. And
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  Speaker 1: I tell Logan Paul the story. He has exactly the
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  Speaker 1: same response you have. And I don't blame you. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not here to convince anybody of anything. I'm just telling
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  Speaker 1: you what I saw. It was very impressive what I saw.
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  Speaker 1: Very impressive. If it was a fake, my God, that
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  Speaker 1: was well done. I mean, you should be making movies
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  Speaker 1: with Spielberg. So anyway.
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  Speaker 3: What is this channel's name who has this again?
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  Speaker 1: Chuck Clark.
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  Speaker 3: Chuck, what are you doing, Chuck?
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  Speaker 1: Well, let me finish. So, Logan Paul, he's like, I
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  Speaker 1: want to go to this guy's house. I say, I
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  Speaker 1: got the guy. He's got the information. Logan's like, this
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  Speaker 1: is all behind the scenes. So, Logan... Paul takes, uh,
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  Speaker 1: I put him in touch with this guy and this
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  Speaker 1: guy lives in the middle of nowhere. I mean, it
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  Speaker 1: was like Logan Paul takes a Mercedes with a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of guys and a hundred thousand dollars in cash, a
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  Speaker 1: big brick. And he goes out to this guy's house
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  Speaker 1: in the middle of the desert. And Logan calls me
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  Speaker 1: in the middle of nowhere. And he's like, are you
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  Speaker 1: sure your contacts legit? Dude, my phone doesn't work. I'm
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  Speaker 1: in the middle of nowhere. I got a hundred K
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  Speaker 1: cash in my pocket. I can't find this guy. I said, no,
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: I'm sure he's good. You know? And, uh, So Logan
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: goes in there and meets Chuck Clark. And Chuck Clark's like, yeah,
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: I got the tape right here. And so he says,
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: I'll give you a hundred grand for it. And the
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: guy says, no way. And so Logan Paul is going
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: to reveal this for the first time. Logan Paul has
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: got a button camera on his dress, on his clothes.
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: So Logan Paul's like, all right, well, this guy doesn't
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: want to, He's going to die with it. So let's
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: get this thing on camera. So Logan's like, well, let
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: me see it at least. So Logan looks at it
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: with this thing and, oh, could you show it to
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: me again? Gets another angle, gets another angle, and then
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: he leaves. So Logan's like, I don't know if I
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: want to go public. I mean, I don't really own
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: the video. I don't know. It seems like a bit of.
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: A gray zone.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: So I said, look, you know, this is a story
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: that might be of interest to Bob Lazar. Because maybe
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: Bob Lazar should see this video and he could make
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: a determination. I'm just saying. Or maybe George Knapp or
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: Jeremy Corbell might be interested. This is not my domain.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: I'm not a Bob Lazar big guy. I don't know
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: enough about Bob Lazar. I met Bob Lazar in the
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: early 90s. And he told me, I came up to
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: him at a conference and I said, hey, thank you
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: for coming forward. And he said, I didn't have a choice.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: That was my only... I don't know anything about the case.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: I know you know way more than I do about
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: the case. But I'm just saying, I'm just putting this
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: out there.
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: How do I know more about the case than you?
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: You literally make documentaries on UFOs.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: I do, but I... I mean, you got one person's account,
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: and it's fascinating. And I believe that Lazar believes what
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: he's saying. But I've talked to George Knapp about this,
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: and George said the same thing. I said... Maybe. I mean,
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: just maybe. And I'm not out here attacking Lazar or
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: nobody else. I'm just saying maybe he was used as
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: a disinformation plant that seeds some real information and some
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: bogus information just to kind of test the waters and
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: the reaction of the public. I don't know.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: Most certainly that's possible.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: Most certainly that's possible.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: It's not my domain.
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: Also, I would imagine if you're going to give people
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: access to classified information like that, you'd be very careful
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: and you would probably... add in some stuff that's not true.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: So it doesn't matter whether or not, as long as
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: like they have a bunch of stuff that's absolutely provable nonsense.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: On top of the stuff that's probably real, then they
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: get discredited.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: Which, you know, I mean, look, there's a lot of
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: weird stuff about the Bob Lazar story. A lot of
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: weird stuff about it. And the one that sticks in
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: my mind, and I know this probably shouldn't because it's
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: possible to do, is that it's been consistent. His story's
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: been absolutely consistent since the late 1980s. Now, that's possible
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: to develop a narrative, and if you're disciplined, he's obviously
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: very intelligent. You could just craft the longest con the
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: world has ever known and make no money from it
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: and turn your life upside down and have the feds
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: search your property, which they did on video.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: It doesn't make a lot of sense.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: It doesn't make a lot of sense. if they thought
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: that he really was in possession of element 115 and
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: that there really is a stable version of this element
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: that we discovered in a particle collider, or we accurately,
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: they predicted it and then proved it to be real
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: in a particle collider. But that wasn't until like the 2000s.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: When was it like when they, I want to say,
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: was it like 2011 when they officially discovered particle 115?
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: Or element 115. But this element, he said, was stable
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: wherever these beings are from. And they use it to
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: propel their craft through a means of. bypassing normal propulsion
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: systems with some insanely sophisticated method where they can pick
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: points in space and they essentially just instantaneously traverse these
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: points in space.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: I brought a photograph with me. Of course, I left
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: it in the other room, but I'll bring it out
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: at some point. And it was a guy named James Kibble.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: He's Australian. And it's about April 1966. And the reason
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: why I'm bringing this up is because I did a
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: segment on a landing case that happened at Westall in 1966,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: which is a suburb, Westall Primary School, which is a
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: suburb of Melbourne. Shane Ryan did a film on it.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: I just covered a section of it in The Phenomenon.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: And during my time in Australia, I'd heard about this guy,
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: James Kibble, that shot a Polaroid of a disc a
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: couple of kilometers away two days prior to the landing
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: at the school. A lot of times when you have sightings,
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: mass sightings like that, they're in and around the area
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: for several days. So it's very likely that those two
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: are connected. My point is this. According to James Kibble,
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: and he's in the film, he said the disc was
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: kind of coming down like this over his garden, and
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: he had his Polaroid camera he was going to take pictures.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: Of Were you doing the same wobbling kind of motion
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: with your hand? I'll just tell you what he told me, yeah.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: He said it was kind of wobbling down like a leaf,
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: kind of. And then he was like, holy shit. And
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: he grabbed his Polaroid camera and he said he did
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: it so quickly, he smashed it in his face and
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: he split his nose open, but he snapped one shot.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: And he said what it did was, is it went
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: like this. Turned sideways. The photograph that I have shows
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: it sideways. And I'll show it to you. I've got it,
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: I scanned it from the original Polaroid. And then it
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: shot off at an unbelievable rate of speed, according to him.
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: Exactly how Lazar describes how these things work.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: That's exactly my point. And when I interviewed all the children,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: now adults, that watched this thing land at this Westall
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: Primary School in 1966, they said the same thing. It
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: was sitting on the ground. They got up to, I think,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: about 10 feet away from it, which is pretty remarkable.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: When you talk to witnesses, especially that many witnesses, I mean,
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: there were roughly 300 kids. I didn't meet all 300
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: of them in the playground when this happened. and including
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: the science teacher, this guy Greenwood, which I got him
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: on camera for the first time in history and the phenomenon.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: And they said it got off the ground and then
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: it went like this. It turned like this.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: Turned sideways again.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: And then it shot off at a high rate. It's
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: in the movie. You can hear all the testimony.
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: It's the same thing.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: Yes. And I got a photograph of it like this.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: And no sound.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: And no sound. A slight humming or buzzing sound. This
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: is 1966. So, and I'm going to get to this later.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: We can go back to Moment of Contact. But I'm
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: going to, make the argument that some, and I cannot
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: emphasize how many times we need to underline the word some, UFOs, UAP,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: originate from a non-human intelligence. And I'll start off in 45,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: and I'll take us up to modern day. Just a
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: handful of cases that I am, I have personally investigated.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: I have personally met the witnesses, gone to their houses,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: dating back to 45, 47, 52 years. 57, 55, 60s, 64,
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: like all these cases, okay? So basically what I'm going
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: to do is we all know, we know that the
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: vast majority of these cases can be explained in conventional terms.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: All this noise about Chinese balloons and weather balloons, and
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: that's all noise. It's obfuscation and noise. Yeah, we know
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: that all that stuff exists. But what about the core
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: 5% or 10% of cases that And I'm going to
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: give you some samples today that truly, after extensive and
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: exhaustive investigation, not because of a lack of data, that
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: defy a conventional explanation. And those are the cases that
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: I'll share with you today when we're ready. But we
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: can go back to moment of contact if you want.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: Let's go right into it.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: Oh, you want to go right into it?
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: I'm so excited. You got me so pumped up.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Let's do it. Let's do it.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: Here it is.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Oh, you got it.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: That's the photo. You got it.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: That's the photo. I got a much better copy outside.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: But see the way it turned sideways? Now, let me
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: tell you. If you ever see a photograph of a UFO,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: and I've talked to NASA analysis about this, and it
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: has a clearly defined edge, it's probably a fake. They somehow,
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: they have something to do with, it's blurred around the edges.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: They don't get, they can't get a crisp photograph of
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: a photograph. They think it has something to do with
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: the propulsion. But again, that's not me saying this.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: That makes sense.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: If there's some sort of a field around it.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: I have a much better copy outside. But yeah, this
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: gives you an example.
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: You have a much better copy than this?
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: I do. I scanned it from the original. It's in
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: my bag.
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: Go get the bag, bro.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Should I go get it?
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: Go get the bag.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: I'll go get it right now.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: Sorry. Get the bag, man. Oh, it's right there. Exciting.
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: Sorry about that. Keep that up on the screen, please, Jamie.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: Can I see the full, how it's... Okay.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Here it is.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: Look at this. God, it's oddly centered.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: This is... It's perfect. Sent to me. This is sent
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: to me by the guy who shot the Polaroid, okay?
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: There's his handwriting. This came from Australia. Boom.
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: Here it is.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Check it out. Can you see the way it's sideways
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: like that? Yeah.
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: I'm going to put on my old man glasses.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, right? I got mine too. And we
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: can get into my argument that I'm going to put
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: forth as if I'm presenting a case to a jury.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: See, my number one problem always with these things is
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: that I want it to be true so bad that
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: I worry that my rational, logical mind ignores... All the
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: possibilities of it being bullshit.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: Don't look at any one particular case. What you have
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: to do.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm looking at it like this. This photo.
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: That's pretty good. That's the same one. That's the same photo.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: So you got to look at it like that.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: Do it again. Yeah.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: Feel similar, bro.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: It's a bell. It's a school bell. Time's up, bitches.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: That's what they're telling us. Time's up, humans.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: You can't base this stuff on anyone. It's got a bell, James.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: He proved it. It's over.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: You can't base. Gig is up. Jamie's on the case.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: Hey, all I could say is that you talk to
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: the witnesses.
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: I think if you picked it up, there's a hamburger
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: underneath it. That's what I think. It's like a fancy
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: restaurant hamburger. Here's your meal, sir.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Monsieur, it is what I think.
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: You know the time where they don't put the bun together?
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: You got to do it together yourself? The burgers are
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: sitting there.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: But you can't... You look at the preponderance of eyewitness
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: testimony from around the world, right? You don't look at
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: any one particular case. You look at one particular case,
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: you think, ah, I see some cracks in that case.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: I get it.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: Probably one of them lids. One of them food lids.
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm talking... That's what it is. It's 100%.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: We cracked the case.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: It's a food lid. The burger's underneath it.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: You can see the top thing. Well, Jamie, that's the
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: propulsion system, you fool. Don't you understand UFO physics? I
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: don't know which way it's going in the photo. That's
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: the way it's going, that way. I don't know which
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: way it's going. Is it going that way or this way?
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: You could pull up McMinnville, Oregon, 1950. Evelyn and Paul Trent,
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: pretty good photographs of disks in broad daylight. Yeah, they're
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: pretty good.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: What is it again?
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: McMinnville, Oregon, 1950. Evelyn and her husband, Paul Trent, snapped,
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: I think, two or three photographs of a disk in
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: broad daylight.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: You know I know Barney Hill's granddaughter?
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: That's incredible.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah. She fights in the UFC.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: She's a badass.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: I've heard about that. Angela Hill. She was on the podcast,
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: and she told me about that after we got off
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: the air. I'm like, what? I should have brought her
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: right back in. Look at that.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: There's a better one. Hold on. It's a hubcap. Nope.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: It's definitely a hubcap. That one there, that's good. Yeah,
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: that's pretty good.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: That one over there is a hubcap.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: I've got that extremely high resolution. But you've got two
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: eyewitnesses never made a dime out of the story. It's
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: been analyzed to death.
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: Show me that hubcap one. Oh, that one.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: That's that's 1960. No, that's a hat. That's Rex Heflin. No,
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: look at that's Rex Heflin, Santa Ana, California. And there
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: are several Polaroids from Rex Heflin. You can look up
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Rex Heflin. It's a pretty damn good case.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: All jokes aside, how many of these do you think
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: are fake?
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm showing you the ones that I that have
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: been scrutinized to death and no one. has made any
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: serious claims of being a hoax on the cases that
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: I'm giving you right now.
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: So that image right there, could you bring me that again, Jamie?
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: That image right there, it's like, I feel like someone
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: could fake that.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: But you've got to listen to the testimony of Evelyn
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: Trent and her husband, Paul. And you've got to listen
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: to the analysis that Condon Committee did on this.
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: On the photograph?
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: What did they say about the photograph?
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing. Everybody's like, okay, eyewitness testimony is
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: not good enough.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: No, I'm not saying that.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: No, no, I know.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: I think, listen, if you had a unique experience, if
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: you were out in the desert and you're driving in
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: Nevada and all of a sudden your engine lights went off,
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: close to the counters of the third kind style and
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: you got out and there was a fucking disc and
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: it hovered over you for a second and it took
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: off at an insane rate of speed and you're just
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: left there alone with this memory.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: I sympathize with those people because in the vast universe
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: that we exist in, It's entirely possible that something like
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: that has the power to get here. It's entirely possible. Also,
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: people are full of shit. There's a lot of people
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: that are full of shit. That's part of my problem.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: My problem is not that I don't believe. My problem
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: is I don't believe people that much. And I do
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: believe some people. And there's some sincere people. And that's
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: one of my problems with Bob Lazar. I believe Bob Lazar.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: When I talk to that guy, I like what you say.
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: I believe he believes what he's saying. And there's something
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: to that. I, but I also think, God, if you
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: wanted to get someone that you could easily discredit, if
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: you had a propulsion system that was baffling you and
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: you had some wizard who likes to make hydrogen powered
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: Corvettes and he put a rocket engine in the back
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: of a Honda, did you ever see that?
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: I did.
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: He's a psycho. So he's a guy who understands propulsion systems.
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: He's clearly brilliant. He listens to the guy talk. He's
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: off the charts intelligent. And he would say, let's bring
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: the fucking psycho over here. Let's have that guy go
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: down there. I mean, this guy's out there in the
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: fucking desert shooting AK-47s and shit. He's a wild man, right?
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: So you bring that guy and you tell him, hey,
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: tell us what this is. Go to work. And he's
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: walking around there and he's like, what the fuck is this?
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: Like that's the kind of guy you'd, if you were
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: at the end of your rope. Yeah. If you know, if,
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: especially if you're a brilliant person, if you're a brilliant
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: person and you happen to be a general or happen
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: to be someone who's in charge over there and you
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: are thinking like, we got to look outside the box.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: Like we've got to do something. We've got to bring
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: in other perspectives and you've got to bring in someone
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: that's not going to be able to communicate with other scientists.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: This is part of the problem. You can't share data.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: They can't, they can't, peer review with other scientists all
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: over the world because it's top secret shit. So everything
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: has to stay within this small group, very small group
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: of people, and none of them are cracking it. All
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: of them they bring in, they're fucking stunned and baffled.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: So you keep funneling new people in. They do experiments.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: Something blows up. Some people die. And you're like, okay,
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: let's try some more. What else you got? Well, you
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: got this guy at Los Alamos Lab. He puts fucking
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: rocket engines in the back, some Hondas, and he's a
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: propulsions expert. He's kind of nuts, but maybe bring him in.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'll get back to my domain because this
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: is the stuff that I know, and I know primarily
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: because I went and interviewed the witnesses.
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: I just went off on a tangent.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: You know, it's all good.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: I'm in a Bob Lazar day.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: Okay. I just don't know the case well enough to
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: comment on it. I mean, more than that, the reason
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: why I shared that video story is not because I'm
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: sitting there telling you that's a definitive piece of evidence
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: that the world's been waiting for, but it's very compelling.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: It's never been released, and I'm giving you guys a
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: lead on that. This guy has it. Logan Paul.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: So Logan Paul, just put it out on your podcast.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: He might do that.
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, if the guy sues you. The money
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: that you'd make from having that and releasing it would
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: probably be way worth it.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: You know, and I hope if the two guys that
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: shot it, one was 19, the other guy was close
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: to 30.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: So those guys are still alive.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: They lived in Los Angeles, and they're definitely still alive. Yeah,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: they should be.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: So if those guys are still alive, let's put together
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: a documentary.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: Well, I'd like to see the original tape because it's
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: going to be a lot better condition than an old
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: VHS tape.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: Tell these gentlemen I'll get you on the podcast. Come on.
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: So tell the story.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: Contact me at James C. Fox.
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: Oh, don't put your email. What are you, crazy? No,
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: it wasn't. Delete that.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: That was my Twitter. Oh, okay. Yeah, just my Twitter.
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: I thought you were going to give your email out.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: Good Lord, sir.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: No, I made a mistake in doing that one time
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: on Larry King Live. Oh, no.
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: How many dick pics did you get?
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Any? I was so inundated. I could not believe. I
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: was like, what was I thinking?
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's probably like millions of people watching that show.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: Oh my Lord. It was crazy. Anyway.
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: The people about, when it comes to UFOs, people are
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: very passionate. Absolutely.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: So let me get back to my argument. Argument.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: From 1945 forward.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go from 1945.
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: Am I correct in, this is one of the things
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: that I've always heard, is that after the bombs were dropped. Yes.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: That's when the UFOs started showing up.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: Well, that's when the activity certainly heightened. And- yeah. So
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: is there.
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: Any indication that they were directly connected other than the
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: fact that they just show up? Was there, was there
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: ever any, so.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you a testimony. I'll tell you, I'll tell
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: you how it organically came upon my attention. I was
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: working with this guy, Lance Mungy. I was one of
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: the editors that was working on the phenomenon with me. And, uh,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: we were doing this archive from a guy, this guy
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: named David Marlowe. It's got this in Incredible archive of
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: UFO material dating right back to the 40s all the
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: way to modern day. Newspaper headlines, audio recordings, statements, broadcast.
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: Unbelievable.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: The biggest archive you could spend the rest of your
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: life in there. So he gave me a bunch of
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: stuff that was archive interviews of primarily people at White Sands,
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: Holloman Air Force Base, different areas in Texas. And I
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: was just putting it in. It's kind of like a
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: little montage in the piece of just giving the illustration
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: that these things are going on kind of all over.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: And my buddy goes, hey, man, let's put a map
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: on the wall and put pins in the map for
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: all these different locations. So I was like, oh, okay, sure.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: Let's do that. So we put a map on the
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: wall in the edit room when we were doing the phenomenon.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: And we were putting pins in and we looked at
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: each other after like a day or two. We were like,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: look at proximity to Trinity site.
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Even Socorro, White Sands. this place in Texas. Like, that's
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: kind of unusual. We're kind of scratching our heads. Do
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: you think there's a correlation? So anyway, we didn't really
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: take it much further than that, but we definitely took notice.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: And then I met with Senator Harry Reid. Thank you,
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: George Knapp, for helping make that happen. Former Senate Majority
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: Leader Harry Reid, who started the AATIP program. And during
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: the interview, I didn't think about asking him this, but
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: at the end, and he had like, I'll have 47
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: minutes with you, and then I got to go. And
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: he's got all the security guards and big guys with
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: earpieces looking at me. I said, well, sir, would you
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: mind if we could do a quick walk and talk?
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: He goes, yeah, I'll give you 45 seconds. So I figured, well,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: while I'm walking with Senator Reed, I'm going to ask
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: him what was one of the more astonishing aspects of
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: the phenomenon that they uncovered during this Pentagon UFO program.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: And right away, without hesitation, he goes, the fact that
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: there are incursions over our nuclear missile facilities, nuclear armed facilities,
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: that is of grave concern. That was a shocking aspect
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: of the phenomenon. And I thought back to that math
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: that we'd done in the edit room. So I was like,
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: I got to go back to the drawing board. So
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: I spent a year. I contacted this guy named Robert Hastings,
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: who's the guy who wrote the book on the connection
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: between UFOs and nukes.
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: What is the book?
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: His name is Robert Hastings. UFOs and nukes, I think.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: But in any case, I contacted him. And he's like, oh,
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: I've I'm not doing too well. I got this heart condition.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: I tell you what, you can have all my archives,
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: all the videos that I shot. So I went through
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: all of it and I put together just like a
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: five or 10 minute segment in the phenomenon, that connection.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: And you got all these like missile control launch officers
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: and people at Malmstrom Air Force Base, Minot Air Force Base,
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: talking about these incredible incursions. And keep in mind, you're
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: talking about people that we entrusted with the secure, like
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: securement and, and, and deployment of, Of nuclear weapons, okay?
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: So if these guys are lying, that's a problem. And
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: if these guys are hallucinating when they've got nuclear weapons
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: at their disposal, that's terrifying. And it's happening all over.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, there is, I don't, I've got at least
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: 15 or 20 of these guys testifying. And Robert Hastings
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: got a bunch more. My point is, there is, there
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: does seem to be a connection. I interviewed this guy,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: Robert Salas. Robert Salas was Lieutenant Robert Salas, Launch Control Officer,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: United States Air Force, has this incredible encounter in Malmstrom,
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: his people do, and UFO sighted, a disk, and then
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: his nukes start shutting down. He said to me, I'll
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: never forget this, and this is like 2002, this is
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: part of Out of the Blue. He goes, well, James,
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: very calm. You could see why he was a Launch
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: Control Officer, very measured. Everything that came out of his
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: mouth was calm and measured. He goes, well, James, the
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: way I see it, it's kind of like taking matches
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: out of the hands of a baby. Whoa. Yeah, whoa, right?
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: Well, that makes sense.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: So there's a preponderance of testimony from these guys, and
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: they're testifying right now to Arrow, Sean Kirkpatrick. But we
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: can get back to.
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: What does Arrow stand for?
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: Look it up. It's an acronym. It's the new UAP
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: task force. There was OSAP, then it went to AATIP,
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: then it went to UAP task force, then it went to.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: Why do they keep changing the name? I know.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: They keep changing the name. It's like a rebranding or something.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office.
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: Did you see the photo that I posted on Instagram
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: of the story of the guy from Space Force?
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: It says we may be facing threats outside this world.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: What the fuck.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: Does that mean?
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: I just don't even want to spend any time.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: Space Force boss acknowledges the U.S. will begin facing threats
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: outside of Earth.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: What?
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: What the hell are you saying? What are you saying, man?
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: What does that mean?
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: Can I read a statement that.
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: Can I ask you one question?
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: Because we're still on the subject of the nuclear bases.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: This is relevant to this.
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: How many of them were there? How many different sightings
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: were at these missile bases and in areas where they're
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: testing nukes?
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: There are a lot of cases. I think cases in
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: just about all the installations in the United States... I mean,
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: Robert Hastings can.
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: Every installation in the United States has cases.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: I can't say that definitively.
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: But a lot of them do.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: A lot of them. I put 15, 20, 25. Let
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: me give you another example. Joint base. Rendlesham Forest, December 1980.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: It's a joint British-U.S. base. It's called the Rendlesham Forest Incident.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: There was a landing, December 1980. You've got Jim Penniston...
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: John Burr. and this guy, Ed Kabansag, thinking that something
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: crashed in the forest or something. They went out to investigate,
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: and there's an object sitting on the forest floor. It's
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: kind of like a triangular-shaped object, and it's dark, and
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: it's warm to the touch, and they sat with it
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: on the ground. Kabansag acted as a relay between the
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: base and and where this object had sit on the ground.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: Jim Pennison took photographs of it. He had his log book.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: He wrote down the symbols that were on the craft,
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: which were crazy. And then the deputy base commander, Colonel
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: Charles Halt, I interviewed him. He had, because sightings can
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: happen over a period of a week or more, a
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: lot of times when you get these mass sightings. And
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: even the deputy base commander, Colonel Charles Halt, became a witness.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: He was skeptical, and then he too became a witness.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: And he said that these objects were, There's a recording
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: of him while it's happening. It's out there in the ether.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: They were shooting beams of light down into the weapons
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: storage area. That was December 1980. Phenomenal case, the Reynolds-Wilson
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Forest incident. These are like the cases.
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: What did this object look like?
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: It was a triangular-shaped object, not that big. I don't know,
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: maybe six feet high, and it was black, and he
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: said it was warm to the touch, and it didn't
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: make any sound, very little sound, and then it lifted
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: off the forest floor, maneuvered up through the trees, and
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: shot off at a high rate of speed. Now, these
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: are people that are responsible for the security of our
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: nuclear weapons, saying this. The deputy base commander, Colonel Charles Holt,
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: saying this. Gordon Williams, the general of the entire base,
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: I interviewed him as well. He talks about how the
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: fact that this got out. It was a memo that
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: was written by Deputy Base Commander Colonel Charles Holt that leaked,
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: and the whole story got out. But those are the
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: cases that I'm talking about that represent that 5% or
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: 10% core that cannot be explained away in conventional terms.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: Defy After exhausted research. I mean, Nick Pope talks about
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: it at the MOD. He investigated it because it took
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: place in England. He said there were radiation readings at
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: the landing site.
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: Did these, the crafts that happened at the base, did
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: they have photographs of these things?
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: Well, Jim Pennison says that he took photographs, and then
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: they said the photographs didn't come out. That's what they
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: told him.
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: So he took photographs to get developed, and then when
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: they developed them, they said the photographs.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: That's what they said to him, yes.
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so most likely they just said.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: And then one of the things that Colonel Charles Holt said,
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: the deputy base commander, is that a plane came in
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: and there was some unknown government, U.S. agency. I know
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: you guys are probably thinking I'm crazy now. But don't
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: take it from me. I'm just telling you what they
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: told me. Okay. That they came in and kind of
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: sanitized the whole case. But that's a very good case.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: And it's one of the top cases that is extremely.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: It's been investigated in England. It's been investigated in the
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: United States. And a lot of the witnesses have come
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: forward on the records.
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: So it's quite possible that somewhere in some archive this
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: photo exists or some photos exist. Okay. Here's the question.
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: If the government keeps coming out and telling us that
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: we may begin to face threats from outside of this world,
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: if they're telling us that when they're discussing these things
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: that they behave in a way that we can't describe
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: and no propulsion systems that we know of, if they're
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: telling us all this, why wouldn't they release all that
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: other stuff too? Why wouldn't they release those photographs?
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: What's in it for them?
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: Well, what's in it for them to tell us about
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: it in the first place?
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: Well, they're not.
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: What's in it for them to even admit? I mean,
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: just the way they're addressing it now.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: People think that there was a sudden epiphany with the U.S.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: government that they wanted to be more transparent and they
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: wanted the general public to know more about this phenomenon. Right.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: That is not what happened. What happened is a couple
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: of insiders in December of of, of, of 2017, walked
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: some evidence out of a tip, found a loophole and
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: put it on the front page of the New York times.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: Now they can't leakers. Hell yeah. It was leaguers that
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: did that. Yeah. It was Christopher Mellon. Okay. I actually
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: got a phone call when the film was coming out
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: and I got a phone call from Leslie Kane and
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: she goes, Christopher Mellon told you that he was the
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: one that walked the footage out of the Pentagon. I said, yeah,
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: it's on camera. Well, Christopher Mellon, he goes, she goes,
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: I can't believe that he didn't even want that in
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: the New York Times. Like how, you know, I said,
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: I don't know. He just, he just said it. And
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: that's what happened. It wasn't like suddenly the government had
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: this epiphany. So now they can't put the genie back
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: in the bottle. Now you got the David Fravers, right?
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: David Fravers encounter is phenomenal. Yeah. Oh, come on. Yeah.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's got photographic evidence. That tic-tac. I was
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: investigating a landing case in Socorro, New Mexico. It was
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: April 24th, 1964. I spent five years on this case.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: It was the case that turned around Dr. Jalen Hynek.
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: Dr.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: Jalen Hynek investigated UFO reports for the United States Air
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: Force as a scientific advisor from 47 to 69. He's
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: the one that coined all the term close encounter of
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: the first kind, close encounter of the second kind, the
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: second kind, the close encounter of the third kind. Close
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: encounter of the first kind is when you see a
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: UFO at close range, close encounter of the second kind,
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: you see a UFO... and somehow it interacts with the environment, whether,
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: like Richard Dreyfuss' face got burnt or it leaves marks
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: on the ground or it burns trees or whatever. The
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: propulsion affects something. Close encounter of the third kind, and
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: this is coming out of Air Force Project Blue Book's
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: own files. This is not me saying this. Close encounter
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: of the third kind is when beings are reported by
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: the witnesses. So beings associated with the craft are reported.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: One of the best, most well-documented cases in U.S. history
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: took place at Secor, New Mexico, April 24th, 1964, at
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: 5 o'clock, with a police officer that was on duty
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: by the name of Lonnie Zamora. The best case in U.S.
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: History.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: The best documented case. The first military officer to arrive
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: on the scene got there. The bushes were still smoking.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, the imprints on the ground of the craft.
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: The footprints.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: They got diagrams of the stuff. And I spent five
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: years going back and forth to score New Mexico. I
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: got to know the wife... Mary, I got to know
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: the daughter, Diane, the son, Michael, his coworkers. I went
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: to the national archives with Ray Stanford. He wrote the
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: book on it, squirrel saucer in a Pentagon pantry, phenomenal case.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: And what I learned was that the, um, the air force,
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: according to his own family, Lonnie Zamora's family told his
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: daughter this, I have this on camera. The air force
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: wanted him desperately not to talk about the beans. They
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: discouraged him to talk about the beans, and I'll tell
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: you why. It's one thing when you see an object,
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: unknown object, like David Fravor saw up in the sky,
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: exhibiting a technology that seems to defy conventional propulsion. And
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: it's another thing altogether when you've got beans on the ground.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: The Air Force didn't want him talking about that, and
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: that was one thing that his daughter and his wife
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: told me clearly. And his wife said, Lonnie was never
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: the same after that case.
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: But So what did Lonnie see?
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: Lonnie saw two beans at the base of an egg-shaped
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: craft that was landed in an arroyo in Socorro, New Mexico,
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: in broad daylight. Lonnie looked out the window of his
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: patrol car. He saw something that caught his eye, and
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: then this object landed. He was actually in hot pursuit
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: at the time. He gave up pursuit to go investigate
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: what was going on, and he sees this object in
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: the arroyo in the desert on the ground. It's such
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: a well-documented case. And he rolls down his car window,
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: and he's looking out, and he's going, am I looking
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: at like an overturned car? What the hell am I
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: looking at? And then he sees two little figures. He
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: said they were childlike at the base of the craft,
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: and one of them locked eyes with him. And his
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: wife said he was never the same after that.
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: How did he describe them?
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: He said they were small, childlike. Small. And they had
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: white coveralls, tight coveralls. This is a close encounter with
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: the third kind.
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: What did they say their faces looked like?
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: He didn't give a lot of detail. So I went
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: to Lonnie's house. I got to know his wife quite well.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: Lonnie had passed a couple years prior to that. And
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know how far down the rabbit hole you
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: want to go in this case because we could talk
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: on this case for three hours, but whatever. I could
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: tell you that I got access to, he had this
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: black duffel bag, and it was with his wife's permission.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: He had kept all the original newsprint's. Like the articles
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: that had come out and that's where I got the
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: details and he also talked about it in some recordings
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: that I got from his family and other researchers it's
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: in the movie the phenomenon and That's where I got
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: the primary description because the it was Richard T Holder
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: was the first military officer on the scene the FBI
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: got involved later and.
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: How long was that thing sitting out there for.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: The object was sitting on the ground not for very
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: long just a few minutes Lonnie saw the beans and
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: And he went, like, around to get a closer look.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, he was like, what the hell am I
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: looking at? And he drove his car around to get
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: a closer look, and he lost contact for a second
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: while he drove around to get a closer look. Now
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: he's within 50 feet of this egg thing sitting on
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: the ground. And he gets out of the patrol car.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: It starts making some weird noise, and it has a
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: blue flame that comes out. And he said it was
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: not like a, like a rocket flame where it would
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: hit the ground and dust everything up. But it pierced
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: the ground like a knife through warm butter. And then
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: when it got about 20 feet off the ground, it
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: went completely silent with no flame, no nothing. You can
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: hear a pin drop. There was a symbol on the
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: side of the craft. It was in yellow, and it
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: was about three feet tall, and it was like a
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: V like this, two lines and a line on top.
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: Let's get a photo of that symbol. that he recreated.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you'll see fake symbols because Richard T. Holder asked
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: him to draw a different symbol. I actually have the
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: original symbol on a document from Dr. Hunt.
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: Why did someone ask him to draw a fake symbol?
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: Because he said that if anybody else claimed to see
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: the same craft with that symbol, they would immediately... be
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: able to identify a hokester.
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: Oh, so which was the real one?
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: The real one is that one right there with the
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: two lines in that upside-down V right there. That's the
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: real one.
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: That's the real one.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I've got the document in Dr. Jalen Hynek's
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: own handwriting. Ray Stanford and I went to the National
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: Archives and found it. It was a huge find.
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: So they did that on purpose just in case some
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: copycat people started coming up with it.
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: He did. Richard T. Holder, and I met Richard T.
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: Holder's two kids and talked to them about it. I
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: talked to his wife about it, and they said, yeah,
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: he was... He was told that's not the genuine. That's
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: the one right there. Right there that you're looking at.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: That's the real one. No question. So anyway, my point is.
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: Is that his handwritten note over there that shows it?
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's definitely... I actually found the original one of those.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: That's it. That's the document that I found with Ray
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: Stanford at the National Archives in 2013. This is in Dr.
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: Hynek's own handwriting. Enclosed suggests any resemblance to the... And
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: he draws the symbol of Socorro. Maybe we've... Yeah. I mean,
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: it was kind of a genius move, quite honestly.
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: So this was the case that turned J. Allen Hynek?
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: So, yeah. So what happened was Jacques Vallée, was it right?
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: So that's what it looked like? Similar? So similar to
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: a tic-tac?
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what it looked like. But when it got
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: to about 20 feet off the ground, it went completely silent.
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: No blue flame, nothing. The landing gear was retracted. It
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: was just an egg. And it floated off in the distance.
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: In fact, Lonnie, I've got an interview with Lonnie where
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: he says that... One of the officers who arrived on
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: the scene actually saw it fly off in the distance,
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: and it was witnessed by other people in the town
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: that saw this thing flying.
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: Didn't the Tic Tac, the people who saw the Tic Tac,
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: including Commander Fravor, didn't he say that there was some
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: sort of thing that almost looked like landing gear?
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: No, there was something that protruded out in the front
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: of it or something. I don't know. But apparently the video,
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: I think it was according to Fravor, the video is...
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: the one that's been out is a lot, the resolution
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: is a lot worse than what other people had seen
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: at the time. I remember, I'm pretty sure David Fravor
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: said that to me. Yeah, so I just recently went,
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: I'm filming a new doc and I went to Washington, D.C.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: for a month to get kind of caught up on
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: what's been happening because a lot's been happening. While I'm
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: doing Moment of Contact, there's an unprecedented effort in Washington, D.C.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: to push for further government transparency. Marco Rubio said, Senator Gillibrand,
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: Andre Carson, Representative Andre Carson, who got the congressional hearings
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: that happened last year, Gallego, Representative Gallego, and Gallagher have
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: all been involved and others. And so I got introduced
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: to some intelligence folks on the inside, and they wanted
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: me to read this to your audience, okay? Okay. And
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: this is about evidence. Okay. So this was pretty much
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: a reaction to the latest hearing that happened with Gillibrand
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: just a couple of days ago or last week. I
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: will remain anonymous, but I've been monitoring the UFO, and
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: I met this guy. I know this guy. This guy's legit.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: The UFO UAP activity and the authorities' response to them.
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: I can assure you there's a lot more evidence behind
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: the curtain that hasn't been released. First, our military are
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: and have been seeing remarkable things in the sky, in
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: the oceans, and on the land for years. Of those reported,
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: where does all this information get stored? Authorities would have
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: you believe that this data is destroyed, but unique data
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: is stored somewhere to be reviewed later. And as someone
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: that has seen the classified holdings, I am very disappointed
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: in the fact that Dr. Kirkpatrick showed some of the
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: most mundane videos to the public. I do understand that
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: there are security factors to be considered, so I'm hoping
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: that Senator Gillibrand saw something much more interesting in her
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: closed-door hearing with Kirkpatrick. And why did only two senators
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: show up for the hearing? Have they lost faith in
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: Kirkpatrick already? I applaud Senator Gillibrand's efforts to find the truth,
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: but I am more sure than ever that Kirkpatrick is
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: not the one.
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: Interesting. So he's withholding some information.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: These people went on camera for me. It's going to
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: be released when the time is right.
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: Again, it's one of those things, conveniently, like Lucy pulling
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: the ball away from Charlie Brown.
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: Right when you get close. It's so....
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: I can only imagine.
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: So frustrating.
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: Christopher Mellon said that there's very high resolution photographs.
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: So he now has a, he just, he just met
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: with me in DC and he's now told me that
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: there is satellite data. And the only reason why he
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: talked about it is because Ratcliffe mentioned it. So he
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: was like, well, Ratcliffe mentioned it. So I'll mention the
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: fact that Ratcliffe mentioned it. It's satellite data. And I
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: was like, oh, how good are the photographs? I want
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: to know so bad. You know me.
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: Like, come on.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: I've been looking at this for 30 years.
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: How good are the photographs? He goes, James, 4K. Just
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: think about as good as you can imagine of craft.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: And to know that, and I spoke to five other
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: people that are part of the program or had the
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: top secret, the clearances to access this, and they all confirmed.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: And it's like, they're just on the other side of
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: that curtain. Could like, could somebody just get those out here, please?
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: Please. Do you think we're closer than ever to those
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: things being leaked?
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: I think that if we keep the pressure on, I
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: think it's very important. One of the things that concerns
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: me a little bit is that sometimes they could leak
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: something that looks amazing, right? And then you put your
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: fingerprints all over it and you send it out to
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: the ether and then it's a proven gets debunked.
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: So you got to be kind of careful if you
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: don't know provenance.
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: And so I would imagine they would do stuff like
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: that on purpose.
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: Oh, these guys are so smart. They're like five steps
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: ahead of us, you know? So, but you know, I
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: know what I know, not because I read it out
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: of a book. But I actually went into the field.
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, I travel. I'm not trying to toot my
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: own horn, but I was interviewing generals and cosmonauts in
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: Russia back in the late 90s. I went to China.
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: I went to Australia. I went to Africa. I went
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: to Russia, as I was just saying, all across Europe.
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: I really want to know. Like, I'm so curious. I'd
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: like to go to location. I'd like to give you
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: an example. I found out in China just a couple
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: years ago, there's a case that happened in 1994, the
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: same time as Rua. It's called Meng Jiao Guo in
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: the Black Forest of China. And these guys, in the
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: middle of nowhere, relayed the same telepathic message that the
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: children received in Rua Zimbabwe in 1994 at Ariel School.
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: And by the way, I did include a piece of
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: that in the film that I did with the girls.
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know, it's only like 10 minutes long. Quite fascinating.
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: That's a damn good case. That's in one of the
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: 10% cases that I talk about. But there's a film
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: out now, I think it's called Ariel Phenomenon. And it's
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: all just about that case. But those are the, should
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: we get back to like, to 45 and work my
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: way up? Or do you want to talk a little
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: bit about Moment of Contact? Because Moment of Contact is
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: the case that could settle this debate once and for all.
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: Let's tease people for a bit with Moment of Contact.
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: Because it is an amazing documentary.
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: I won't go into details. I won't go into any details.
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: I'll just say this. I put my reputation on the
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: line for this. I get it. It sounds so spectacular.
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: It sounds so unbelievable.
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: But when you watch the documentary, it sounds less spectacular. Well,
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: similarly spectacular, but more believable.
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: So here's the point.
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: It's either the most elaborate, complex hoax that involves half
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: the town of Virginia. There's like 130,000 people living there.
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, I go down to the town square and
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: just start talking to people. I did it in the movie.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: And everybody's got a little piece of the puzzle. Most
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: people have a piece of the puzzle. It's phenomenal. Or...
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: A UFO crashed, live aliens were recovered, and the Americans,
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: it was captured by the Brazilian authorities, and the Americans
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: stepped in and flew some of that back to the
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: United States. And that's when the case goes cold. There's
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: no in-between.
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: That's definitely the sexiest version.
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, there's no in-between. Speaking of sexiest versions, I
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: was looking up the thing in 94 in China and
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: stumbled across this. Oh, good. Yeah, that's what I was saying.
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: The most bizarre contact in China occurred in June 7,
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: 1994 when, how do you say his name?
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: Meng Zhaogua.
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: Meng Zhaogua of Phoenix Mountain, how do you say that? Fujian. Fujian.
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: Fujian province met a female alien. First, there was electricity
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: between them. Then things got amorous. According to Meng, the
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: female alien looked like a white monster. She was very tall,
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: about 2.5 meters, and wore tight clothes with only her
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: big eyes and private parts exposed. She did something to
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: him that felt like an electric shock, and he passed out.
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: When he came around, he found several scars on his body.
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: According to Wu, she planted something mung bean-sized into his body.
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: Things were about to get even stranger. Meng had sexual
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: intercourse with a female alien. She suddenly fell down on him.
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: He could hardly move. His penis felt hot, then ached.
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: The experience was more pleasurable than anything he had ever felt.
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: That's him. Yeah, and they gave him a lie detector test.
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: And he passed it?
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: I did not hear about that aspect of the encounter.
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: A lot of people pass those, especially crazy people.
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I did not hear about that aspect of it.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: But anyway, I didn't go... But my point is.
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: That dude was banging aliens.
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Respect.
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: Respect. It takes a lot of courage. But I was
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: very attracted to the Avatar lady, the big blue one
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: that saves them. She's hot. So.
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: She's hot. We'll go back here. Let's go... I think
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: she's hot. Let's go back because.
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: I'd fucking switch right over to that. I am... So....
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: We'll get back to a moment of context. I want
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: to say the last thing with a moment of context,
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: and we'll get back to these other cases. It's either
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: the case we've all been waiting for, the case that
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: could settle the debate once and for all, right? If
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: it's true. Could you think of a more extraordinary... Let's
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: just say, hypothetically for a moment, it happened. As all
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: the witnesses stated, it happened. How big of a story
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: do you think that is?
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: It's an immense story because it means that they're real.
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: If it's true, then it means they're real. It means
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: something that we don't understand. was in the sky, got
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: hit by lightning, got caught up in a furious lightning storm,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: and wound up crashing. And that these things survived, and
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: they got out, and the fact that one guy handled
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: one of them and got this insane infection and died
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: very quickly afterwards, and he was a very young and
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: healthy military man. And the fact that all these people
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: have the same story, they all have the same depiction
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: of the disc, the craft, They have the same depictions
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: of seeing these beings.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: Not one witness came to us. We had to track
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: down every one of those witnesses, and there's a story
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: behind each and every one of them that I could
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: go on for an hour for.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: I'm sure.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: I won't bore you with the details, but suffice to say.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: You wouldn't bore me. Bro, we got a gravity bomb
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: over there. We could be here for days.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: Oh, my gosh. I'd be like... I know.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: But there's nothing that goes better than marijuana and aliens.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: When I went... Every time I'd get back... from Brazil,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: I'd get home and people, and I'm out there for
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: a month knocking on doors, talking to witnesses, chasing people down,
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: trying to convince them to come forward, like crazy.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is not like a quick venture to make
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: this documentary. 12 years. That's insane.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: Wow. And so I'd come home from a trip in Brazil,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: and I'm telling you, man, it was like my mind
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: was just torqued. I was so, I'm in another alternate reality.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking, oh my God, I'm coming to the realization that.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: This When that man takes you to the spot and
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: gets overwhelmed with emotion.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: He was gone for 25 years. Marco Leal. Thank you,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: Marco and, and co.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: Unless that guy... We don't have a story.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: We got to find Carlos de Sousa.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Unless that guy is a Daniel Day-Lewis quality actor.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: We don't need Brad Pitt anymore, nor Leonardo DiCaprio. This guy.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: That guy, if he's full of shit... Best actor. He's
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: one of the best actors ever because that moment when
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: he gets to that spot and he's overwhelmed with emotion,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: he starts tearing up and he's freaking out. Just imagine
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: if 25 years ago you experienced something that literally destroyed...
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: your understanding of life itself in the universe, that there's
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: a thing out there that can visit us that's different
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: than us, and it's probably been here forever.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: My DP, David West, has been shooting for over 40 years,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: and he's like, I've never seen anything like that. That
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: guy was about as legit as I've ever seen.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: He was so believable.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: Crying, and I mean, not only that, but it's like
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: the guy disappeared. He's never made a dime off this.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: He gave one statement 26 years ago to a guy
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: named Claudio Covo, Claudio Covo was an engineer and he
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: was a researcher, UFO researcher in Brazil. Thank you. May
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: you rest in peace, Claudio Covo. And there was a
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: guy named Uberajada Rodriguez. He was a prominent lawyer. He's
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: also investigated the case. We wouldn't know about this case
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: if it hadn't been for a handful of dogged Brazilian
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: UFO researchers. Pacaccini deserves credit. This guy named Marco Petit. A.J. Javard.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: How big is it?
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: Virginia is, let's say, 150,000 people?
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: I think it's about 130,000 that they think.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: So it's like Boulder, Colorado-sized.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and the surrounding areas. But, you know, I was
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: going to include, like maybe like I did with Rua
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: in the phenomenon, I was going to include like five
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: or ten minutes of that case, and I worked so
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: hard for so long with so many people, and then
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: I just deleted the whole thing out of the film,
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, God, Marco's going to kill
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: me when he sees this. that I just didn't include
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: any of it because I just couldn't squeeze it in.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: And there was too much. It was just too much.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm glad you did it that way, honestly, because
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: Moment of Contact is really good. There's a few of
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: these documentaries that I go, God, I shut them off
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: and I go, if that's real, holy shit. Imagine being
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: those people. Imagine being these people in this small city
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: of 150,000 people and then something happens and a fucking
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: UFO crashes in a field somewhere And people witness it.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: And everyone is just stuck there. Then the military shuts
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: the town down.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: Can you see this? Yes. This is Brigadier Jose Carlos
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: Pereira of the Brazilian Air Force. Okay. I met with
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: him with Marco on two occasions. The second occasion was 2000.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: Put it in front of that camera.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: It might be even better. I'm so sorry.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: Would it be better?
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: This is Jose. Jose. Yeah. No. Worse.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: This is Jose. You can look him up. Jose Carlos Pereira, Brigadier,
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: Brazilian Air Force. Okay. So Marco and I met with
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: him twice. The second time was 2013. He gave us
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: an interview. Some of it's in the film. And he said,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: I'll talk about the 1986 UFOs over Brazil. I'll talk
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: about the Colares case that happened in the 70s. Phenomenal
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: photographic evidence that's out there. You asked me about Virginia
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: and this interview is terminated.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: Whoa.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: I was like, what? What do you mean terminated? Like, really?
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: So anyway. We do the interview and I was like, well,
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to ask him, I guess. But when
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: the camera stopped rolling, I was like, please. I mean,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: Marco and I were begging and pleading with this guy.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: And I remember looked him dead square in the eyes.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: I said, I swear on my life, there are no
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: recording devices. There are no cameras rolling. Please tell us
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: about Virginia. Why did you have that reaction to Virginia?
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: Marco was too. We were begging him. I was practically
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: licking this guy's boots and he's getting prepared to leave.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: And he's got a driver waiting for him outside. So
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: we were, following and pleading with him all the way
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: out there. Please just tell us, please. I swear on
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: my life. This happened. He gets in the car, doors open.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: He looks up and I'm only reason why I'm telling
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: you this because he died. He looks up at Marco
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: and I, and he goes, it happened. Close the door
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: and off he went. Now, the reason why I share
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: that is because that's not something that I can put
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: any weight on for the documentary for people like you.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: But as a personal message for me, knowing that level
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: of validation, On the inside, it kept us going. It
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: was like, OK, why on earth would he have done that?
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: Why on earth would he say? And that kept Marco
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: and I going. And that was a personal level of
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: validation that.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: Is there any conventional explanation why the military shut everything down,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: why they had military barricades set up around that area?
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: No, they did try to say that the creature was
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: this guy who's got, like, some deformities. But I've seen
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: the guy, Modine or something like that. But you talk
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: to the witnesses.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: But why would the military shut the town down because
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: a guy with deformities?
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: And then for the doctors in the hospital, they said, oh,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: there was, like, a midget having a baby or something weird.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: Just something that was just so ridiculous.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: It was like.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: And you talk to the witnesses, and they're just like, oh,
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: come on. I'm not even gonna... You know, that's laughable
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: at best. You know, I mean, these girls... came within
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: 8 to 10 feet.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 3: Three.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: Three women. Katya, two sisters, Liliani, and Valkyria. 14, 16,
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: and 21. They got within 8 to 10 feet in
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: broad daylight of this creature. And one of the things
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: that doesn't come across in the film, when they saw
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: this thing, they're looking like, what are we looking at here?
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: They're walking through this field and it's up against a
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: cinder block wall. And one of them was looking at
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: it and said, what is that? And it was crouched
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: by the wall. It was weak and feeble. And one
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: of them kind of like screeched. Like, what is that?
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: And it turned and it looked right at the girls,
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: locked eyes on them. Liliana grabs her younger daughter, her
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: younger sister, who's 14, Valkyria, and makes a, hightails it
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: out of there. Katya is 21. She's frozen in her tracks,
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: locked eyes with this creature and is communicating with her.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: Please help me. I'm he wants help.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: It's weak.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: It's weak and it's feeble and it's scared and it's
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: crouched down. Liliani realizes that Katya is back there. She gets,
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know, a hundred feet down the path. She
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: leaves her sister, stay here. I'm going back to get Katya.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: She runs back. And I asked Katya and I asked
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: all the girls during that moment of contact, when you
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: lock eyes, I know it's only a brief second, but
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: during that moment of contact, what did you feel like?
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: Put me there. That's where the title comes from. Moment
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: of contact because That was when they locked eyes on
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: this creature. And that's when Katya said, help me, I'm scared.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: And it was feeble and suffering. And it's a very
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: powerful moment. And these girls have been saying the same thing.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: The mother. It's the first time I'd ever reported on
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: these so-called men in dark suits that show up and
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: intimidate witnesses. Honestly, I've been hearing about those cases for
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: so many times. But I've avoided them because it's got
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: so much baggage from men in black. It's just ridiculous.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: I just didn't even want to be associated with it.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: But I'd heard it. I can go on until I'm
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: blue in the face. I'd go until tomorrow morning with
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: the amount of cases with generals too. But this time
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: when the mother said that these men showed up and
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: tried to get the daughters to say they were lying
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: and offered her a briefcase full of $ 100 bills and
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: they could relocate, I don't know. For some reason, I said, okay,
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: for the first time in 25 years, I'm going to
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: report on these guys. And I did. And it's in
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: the movie. You can hear the mother talking about it.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: And she's so emotional. And the mother came back to
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: the location right after it happened. The smell, that stench,
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: and the footprint on the ground. I mean, everybody talks
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: about that stench that was so... They said, if you
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: take like a skunk, multiply that by like 100,000, that
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: would give you some indication of the level of like
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: how putrid and nasty. It was paralyzing. And it stayed in,
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: like it stayed in the areas, like at the hospitals
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: when they did the x-rays. And everybody talks about it.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: That stench, it was unbelievable. Like it fills your navel
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: cavities and doesn't leave for a week. It was incredible.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: And then they all said the same thing.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 3: And they couldn't get it out.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: They couldn't get it out. Yeah, they sanitized the hospital.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: The guy said that he had to close off that
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: wing of the hospital while they were sanitizing it because
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: it was so intense. You know, so I....
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: How long did it last for?
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: I heard days and weeks is what I heard from people.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: And even the mother said when she went to where
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: the creature was, she said that the stench, even there
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: after the creature was gone, got in her nasal cavities
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: and she tried to flush it out with water and
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: saline or whatever and... And she just couldn't get it
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: out of her nasal cavities. Really crazy. But they all did.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, everybody talked about that stench. You know? I mean,
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: the military officer, the guy that drove the creature around,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: I was sitting across from him. You can't see his face,
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: but I did. And I'm looking at this guy in
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: the eyes. I'm thinking, I could be looking at a
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: guy that drove a fucking alien around. You have no idea, dude.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: How did he describe it?
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: It was so fucking intense. When I came back from
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: that trip, people were like, how was your trip to Brazil?
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: What was it like, man? They got great smoothies and coffee.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: I'm just like, you guys have no idea. I think
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: an alien spaceship crashed and they recovered live aliens. And
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: we made contact and the Americans came in. That's what
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking about. So I told a couple people On
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: the last trip I came back, I was just like,
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: I was so rocked. I couldn't reintegrate back into culture. Joe,
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: I was just like, fuck, I think this happened. It's
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: the biggest story ever. So people were asking me, even
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: my neighbor who runs like the, he runs that Make-A-Wish Foundation.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: He was like, James, he goes, bro, I like you
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: a lot. I got a lot of respect for you,
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: but you lost me on this one. And I was like,
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: I don't blame you, bro. I really don't. But listen
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: to the witnesses. Just, that's all I say. Just, and,
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: and I would tell people and I realized I can't
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: talk about it. All I can say is just listen
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: to the witnesses. Don't take it from me. But I'm
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: looking at that guy in the eyes, Joe, and I've
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: been at this for 30 years. I've made almost, I'm
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: working on my seventh film right now. I'm looking this
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: guy in the eyes and I'm like, this guy probably
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: drove an alien around and it tripped me out so
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: hard and it ruined his life. He's, he's, To get
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: this guy to go on camera, just like a week earlier,
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: he was like, I don't care all the money in
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: the world. I'm never coming forward. The risks are too high.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: How did it ruin his life?
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: Because you're harboring this secret. You're being watched. You're being
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: told not to ever talk about this. And you're looking
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: over your shoulder all the time. And they call you.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: The military calls you periodically. They want to know where
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: you are. And he's got this secret inside him that
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: he can't tell the rest of the world. And he's
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: thinking about all the different Everyone's out there speculating. Is
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: it real? Is it fake? Is it real? Is it fake?
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: And this guy drove a body around. Just think about
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: that for a second. Think about the doctor who took
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: the x-rays of this thing. Marco Leal. Thank you, Marco.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: You're the man. Marco Leal found him eight years ago.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: And he was like, he confirmed the story. He was
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: still working at Regional Hospital. He goes, I'll never come forward.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: Marco kept going every year, back and forth. Then he retired,
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: and four years after he retired, he agreed to meet
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: with us. He wasn't even sure he was going to
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: go on, and I said, look, man, we'll put you,
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: we'll film you from the back, we'll disguise your voice.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: Showed us photographs of him at the hospital. We know
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: we've been trying to get at him. Excuse me, at
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: the end of the interview, he said, thank you. I
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: feel so much better. I've been shouldering that burden for
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: 26 years, and I've so desperately wanted to tell someone.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: to share that story with the rest of the world.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: And you meet these people, and you think, why on earth?
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: They didn't come to us. They're not trying to sell
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: their story. We tracked them down and begged and pleaded
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: with them to come forward. When I found Martha, the
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: sister of the deceased military officer, Marco Cherese, we were
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: knocking on doors. I remember the sound guy from Rio
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: de Janeiro. He was like, you're out of your mind.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: What are you doing? You can't just knock on random doors.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: I was like, man, if there's a will, there's a
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: way I'm going to find this lady. And we found her.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: And it was like this kind of, kind of sketchy area.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: You know, it's like when you, when you get out
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: of your car and you could see like people drawing
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: the curtains back and looking at you and you're standing
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: out like, dude, I stood out like a sore thumb, man.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: And then we walked up and I had Marco with me.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: Thank God. And we had camera crews and stuff. It's
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: kind of sketchy. And Marta appears. And her husband appears
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: in this big, he's a big guy. And he's got
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: like a white beater shirt on. And he looks like
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: he wants to rip my fucking head off. And I'm like,
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: and she's looking at me. And he's just looking at
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: her going, Marta's looking. Marta's looking at her husband. And
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: her husband's looking at Marta like, give me the signal
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: and I'll kill this guy. That's the fucking. And I
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: was looking at Marco. And I was like, James, you
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: need to think quick on your feet right now. And
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: I said immediately, please translate this. I'm here to give
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: your brother justice. I'm here to get the story out. Please,
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: talk to me. And we developed a relationship with her
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: slowly over that. Those were the first words that we exchanged.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: And we eventually got her to come forward and we talked.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: She'd gone forward in the past, but she doesn't know
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: who the hell I am.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 3: I want to take you back to the doctor.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 3: When you talked to the doctor, what did he describe?
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: He said that it was a normal day, January 1996.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: It was a regional hospital. He said every day and
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden all these military trucks and police
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: cars showed up at the hospital. They come in armed,
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: and they got a bag. They got a thing in
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: a black body bag. And he was like, what the
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: hell's going on here? They're like, you're going to be
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: taking some x-rays. And he's like, okay. And they had
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: him inside, and they had armed cops. And I was
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: asking him, like, what was it like? Because when I
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: interview witnesses, I always ask them to project. Sometimes I'll
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: even close my eyes because I'll use their words to
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: recreate So I'm like living it through them. You know
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: what I mean? So I'll close my eyes and I'll
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: recreate the scenes in my head with their words, right?
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: It's harder in Portuguese because I'm having to get it translated.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: But I ask questions like, what was the atmosphere like?
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: Was there any talking? No talking. Super tense atmosphere. Very tense.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: Armed guards on the outside. Armed guards on the inside.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: Military trucks running. Nobody comes. Nobody goes. And he said,
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: first time in the history of my career, I took
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: the x-rays and I couldn't even verify that they were
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: good because they took them immediately. And then they said,
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: this event never happened. He said, the stench in the
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: hospital was overwhelming. And he goes through the different x-rays
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: that he took, the abdomen, the head, the arms, the legs,
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: the thorax, you know. And... It was incredible. In fact,
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: Uba Dejada Rodriguez, if you're listening to this, he's one
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: of the leading researchers. He's gone quiet. Peccacini disappeared for
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: 20 years.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 3: So did he get to see images himself? Did he
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 3: get to see the body himself?
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: Oh, he was right. Well, they didn't open the body bag,
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: but he said the stench was just overwhelming.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 3: So they x-rayed it through the body bag?
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: They x-rayed it through the body bag.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 3: So he never got to see.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: He did not see the alien.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 3: And he didn't get to see the x-ray images or anything?
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: Nope. They wouldn't let him see a damn thing. Nope. Now,
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: there were two doctors. There was a guy named Roger Lear.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: Roger Lear found out, these are people that I really
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: want to meet. I mean, people are coming forward in
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: droves right now. We just got two forensic pathologists for
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: the first time ever working together to come forward and
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: make statements. And they're providing documentation of the autopsy reports
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: done on the deceased military officer. That's the first time
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: ever these guys are coming forward. It's happening right now.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 3: Let's explain what happened to people who haven't watched the
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 3: documentary to your deceased military officer.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: So right after the three girls came within 8 to
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: 10 feet of this creature or being or entity or ET,
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it, about an hour later,
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: that was about 3 o'clock in the afternoon, I would
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: say probably maybe around 5 o'clock, there were two military
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: guys on patrol on the lookout for something unusual is
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: what they were told. They didn't say a UFO had crashed.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: They were on the lookout for something highly unusual. And
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: it was Eric Lopes at the wheel and Marco Chirisi,
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: military police, in the passenger seat. They were about a
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: block and a half to two blocks away from where
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: the girls had seen the creature a couple of hours earlier.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: And this thing runs across the car in front of them.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: He had slammed his brakes on. And without a moment's hesitation,
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: Marco Chirisi jumps out of the car and grabs the
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: thing with his bare hands. Yeah. And he puts it
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: in the back seat, and they drive it to a clinic,
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: and the doctor is like, what the hell is that?
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: Get it out of here. I don't know what, you know, leave.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: So they went to a regional hospital, and then ultimately
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: it went to Humanitas Hospital. And so we have testimony
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: from Military X saying, that when he drove it from
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: Humanitas Hospital, it's in the movie, but he drove it
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: from Humanitas Hospital to, as a military base, where it
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: spent the night in the truck for one night, and
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: then it went from there to Espisex Campinas. It's like
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: a university. It's where all the intellectual, scientific heavyweights reside.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: And then it was there, I think, under examination, according
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: to the witnesses that we talked to, for a day
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: or two, and that's when the Americans flew in to Campinas.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: And we have the radar military control officer who came
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: forward last year actually two years ago when we were
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: there filming for the last time his name is marco
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: fedes f-e-r-e-s and he came forward for the first time
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: and said yeah in january of 1996 this plane came
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: in usaf he kept calling it united states air force
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: came in it didn't have the authorization of the brazilian
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: government he was like this thing can't land and some
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: higher-ups stepped into the room this is all this is
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: his testimony i'm just relaying what he said he said
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: some higher-up came in the room said let it land
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: And it came and it landed at Campinas. And then
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: from Campinas, two helicopters, according to him, flew to Varginha, Brazil,
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: Varginha back to Campinas. Then they loaded something on the
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: airplane and then off to the United States. And that's
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: where the case goes cold. So I will say this.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: One of the most exciting aspects for me to getting
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: invited on your show is that you've got another, you've
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: got a huge platform of a lot of people listening.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: I want to know, we all want to know desperately
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: what happened when the United States took over. Where did
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: this stuff go? Who was involved? Who flew that airplane?
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: The flight records, all of these things. And so I'm
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: asking you, please, please, if you're listening to this, to
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: come forward and talk to us. This is an ongoing investigation.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: If you're too afraid to talk to me, there's new
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: whistleblower protection that Senator Gillibrand and Rubio and a handful
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: of others just signed into law. You can go and
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: contact someone like Representative Andre Carson, and there's a process
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: you can go and testify and tell everything we know
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: without fear of prosecution or violating any NDAs. I beg
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: and plead for you to do that. Excuse me. There
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: are a handful of Congress people and senators that I
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: believe are sincerely trying to get down to the bottom
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: of this stuff. I've met with some of them and
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: I've continued to try to meet with someone else. I'm
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: working with a guy named Brian Bender. He's kind of
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: consulted on the project. He worked for Politico and he's
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: got great access as well. So the two of us
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: are trying to, we're trying to address the evidence, the
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: photographic evidence, the potential debris evidence, the potential body evidence.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: Where is it, and who has the authority to release it?
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: I've never really covered it, and I know that I
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: put my reputation on the line, Joe, and I totally
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: understand for your audience that are listening to this right
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: now and thinking that I've lost my marbles, and I
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: completely respect that. I had the same reaction myself, and
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: I'm not out here trying to sell crazy. I don't
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: have a GoFundMe asking for money on evidence that I
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: don't have. I'm not doing any of that. All I'm
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: saying is this is potentially... The biggest story that we've
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: all been waiting for, the story that, in my opinion,
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: could settle the debate once and for all. This story
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: happened in 1996, and the vast majority of the witnesses
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: are still alive. People are coming forward in droves right now.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: Like I said earlier on the show, those two doctors
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: coming forward, the forensic pathologist, you want science? They're giving
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: us science. They're giving us the long-form autopsy report. Leslie
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: Kane is having it professionally and medically translated, and she'll
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: have it looked at by medical people that she knows.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: So that's an ongoing investigation. Just the fact that Marco
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: Leal and we got access to those people. I was
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: doing Zoom calls all last week leading up to coming here,
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: begging them and pleading them to come forward. Please.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 3: God, really what you want is actual footage, right?
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: Of course we want footage. You saw what I showed
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: you earlier. Come on, man. You think I'm like, you know.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: You know I'm going after that.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 3: Oh, no, I know you're going after it. But, I mean,
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 3: that's really what we need.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: I know it's what we need. I mean, I'm telling
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: you right now.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 3: It's so close. It seems like you just barely touch it.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: So close.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 3: It's like a movie when you're reaching for the key.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: I know. You can't quite reach it. It's just like
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: you see it dangling right there. You're like, come on.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: And I get criticized out there. People are like, no
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: photographic evidence. I don't believe it. It's all garbage. Look,
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: you've got to start somewhere.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 3: Okay?
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: It starts with a story. How are you supposed to
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: go looking for something if you don't even know it exists?
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: So now we know that it exists. We've talked to
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: people that have seen it. In fact, Michael Schellenberger called
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: me up when the film first came out and he goes, Hey,
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: this is Michael Schellenberger. I'm thinking about putting together an
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: article for the New York Post. And I could tell
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: he was kind of rocked by the story, right? He
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: was like, man, this is pretty wild. I was like, yeah,
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: I know. He goes, well, I'm thinking about putting together
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: an article. I said, well, if I can do anything
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: to help out, just let me know. He goes, well,
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: I want to know about the photographic evidence. I was like, okay.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: I was like, well, I could put you in touch
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: with a couple of people that have seen it. And
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: I was actually quite surprised. The New York Post wanted
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: more than one source. They wanted two sources that could
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: see it and describe it. And we made it happen.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: Pacaccini was shown video footage. He describes it in vivid detail.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: Go find the New York Post article by me. Michael Schellenberger,
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: and I suggest your audience reads this. Yeah, I read it. Oh,
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: you did read it? Yeah, it's pretty cool, you know?
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: And we know where it is, and we know who
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: has it.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 3: Do you have it, Jamie?
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And it's like, the frustration is, I remember one
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: of the people that we approached on, we offered $ 100, 000,
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: and it was nothing. Then we offered $ 200, 000.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 3: People claim they saw aliens after a UFO crash landed
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 3: in Brazil in 1996, documentary reveals. And it's a trailer
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 3: from Moment of Contact.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, scroll on down. I think a little further you'll
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: get details of the description. That's the drawing. That's the
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: drawing that was done right after the incident. I actually
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: held the original print in my hands from Claudia Covo's daughter.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 3: So was one of them dead and one of them
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 3: was alive?
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, apparently. And look, there were up to accounts of
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: possibly five. And this is another thing that a lot
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: of people don't even realize when they watch the movie,
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: and it was shocking to me, was that We rented
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: this house in this kind of gated community, and it
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: was owned by a doctor, and they had fellow doctor friends.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: And they were like, oh, what are you doing in Brazil?
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: What are you doing in Virginia? A whole camera cruise
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: and caravans of camera gear and tripods. They're like, what
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: are you guys doing here? We're like, oh, here we go. Well,
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: we're here to cover the Virginia UFO incident. And the
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: doctor goes, you know, my friends saw something that you
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: might want to talk to them about. And they kind
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: of chuckled a little bit. They're all like, these guys
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: are serious. The whole family saw it. So we actually
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: go to their house, and they're like, whoa, no, no, no.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: We didn't say we're going to go on camera. We
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: just said we'd meet with you. We're not going on camera.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: I was like, well, what do you mean you're not
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: going on camera? Well, of course you know I'm doing
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: a documentary. Oh, no, no. We'll tell you what happened.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: I said, well, look, we can film you from the back.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: We'll disguise your voice. So anyway, so we do the interview. Reluctantly,
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: these guys did not want to do it. But they
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: described this craft that was looking for something. It was
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: late into the night. Late. Like probably 10 or 11
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: o'clock at night. They were ordering pizza. Any Brazilian will
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: tell you they like to order pizza late at night.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: And they said the whole family was watching this thing.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: And I kept saying to them, what do you mean
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: it was looking? How do you know it was looking
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: for something? They said it was going like this. Really low. Looking.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: So I shot my drone over the whole area. I
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: shot my drone over the point where the girls had
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: the contact. the point where Marco Schriese and Eric Lopes
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: captured the creature, and the point where the military blockades were.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: And I realized, I took my drone straight up and
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: I filmed straight down, and I show it in the film,
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: the proximity to all those events is within a few blocks.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: The house that the entire family witnessed, very credible people
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: that didn't want to come forward, that was just a
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: few blocks away from the incident. It looks to me
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: like That was a recovery mission, a rescue mission that
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: was going down. I know it sounds crazy. Believe me,
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: I know that. And I'm putting my 30-year reputation on
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: the line. Do you know what? My reputation, when I
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: finished the phenomenon, I had a level of government access
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: that I never thought I could possibly have as a
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: complete independent Joe Public guy, me, right? I'm meeting with
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: senators and just all kinds of intelligence folks. I mean,
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: it's a dream. Like, how could this possibly be? How
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: could I have access? Well, I was flushing that down
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: the toilet by reporting on this case, potentially. But I
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: did it anyway, because I was like, okay, I understand
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: that I'm sounding crazy, and I understand... You.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 3: Keep saying that, but I don't think you are. Well...
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 3: I don't think you're sounding crazy at all. You don't? Okay. No, no,
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 3: because look... I've gotten so much flack for this. The
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 3: town is obsessed with... Well, I think people... People are
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 3: very much married to their initial ideas. And when you
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 3: have an initial idea that something like that is stupid,
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 3: it's probably fake. I would have heard of it. It's
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 3: probably fake. And then you're confronted with what you've uncovered.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 3: And imagine if someone hadn't gone through the exhaustion. work
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 3: that you've gone through, going back and forth to Brazil
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 3: over a period of 12 years to make this documentary. Imagine.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 3: Most people would think that sounds like nonsense. I would
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 3: have already heard about this. You know, if it was
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 3: this big. But then when you go to Virginia and
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 3: you see that enormous statue of a UFO that they have. Crazy, right?
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 3: That's pretty wild. Like, who funded this? Why do they
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 3: have this? Like, why is it a part of, like.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: And the E.T. guy is all over the place. He's
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: at bus stops. He's in the downtown plaza. It's like, damn.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: And the mayor, the sitting mayor, excuse me, thank you,
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: by the way, for coming forward and sharing that information
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: with us, Mayor Vares. Mayor Vares helped us find... It
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: was really funny. We were interviewing with him, and I
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: was like, is this guy going to say... What is
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: he going to say? He's the sitting mayor. Right. And
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: he's like, you know, I got to tell you, man,
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: I know a lot of the witnesses. I got to say,
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: I think this thing happened. I really do. He goes,
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: if there's anything I can do to help out, you
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: let me know. I was like, pull out your Rolodex.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: I want you to help me find Eric Lopes. Eric
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: Lopes is the key. He's the only living survivor of
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: the second capture. He was a driver of Marco Chirisi, right?
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: The family of the deceased military officer, Marta, Her mother
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: could not get statements from Eric Lopes. She said every
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: time they'd pressure him, he'd be smoking cigarettes and drinking
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: and getting really nervous and just wouldn't say anything. She
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: wanted me to go after it. She was like, we
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: want a statement from Eric Lopes so badly. He's the
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: only living person witness. So I said to the mayor,
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, if you really want to offer
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: some help, help me find Eric Lopes. So he's like,
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: no problem. So he does. So then we meet in
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: the town square with a good connection. It was like
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: a former chief of police or chief military guy. And
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: his son, Homolo, who's a lawyer and was a prominent politician.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: And he goes, I'll take you out there to his house.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: Then you guys are on your own. So I was like,
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: all right. So this little voice, as we're all getting
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: in our cars and driving off to go see this guy,
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: this little voice in my head goes, you know, maybe
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: I should get him to walk up the door with me.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: So I jumped out of my car and I flagged
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: down the Mercedes, that black Mercedes that we followed. And
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: I told Homeload with the translator, hey, is there any
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: chance you'd consider just walking up the door with me?
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: I honestly think that had I not done that, he
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: might've just opened fire on me immediately because who's this
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: gringo guy walking up to his door on his property,
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: asking questions about something he does not want to talk about.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: And when we got up to the door, I remember
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: I heard talking as we walked up, and it was
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: a pretty intense moment because I'd heard about this guy
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: for years, but nobody could find him. He wouldn't talk
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: to anybody. Got up to the door, and there was
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: a handful of us, cameras rolling, and I hear voices.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: I hear talking, but I can't see anybody. I'm like,
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: where is this guy? Who are they talking to? And
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: then I realized he was up in the window looking
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: down at us. He had his arms on the window.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: He was looking out the window. and he's talking to Homolo,
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: and he's talking to the other translator, and I'm looking
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: at this guy's face, and I saw a face. This
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: does not translate in the film. I saw a face
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: that I've never seen before. It was a face, Joe,
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: that like was harboring a deep, deep, deep, like burdened
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: with something so disturbing and profound that I just got
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: lost looking at this guy's eyes. I was like, oh
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: my God, never seen a face like this before. And
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: he's looking out there and the whole time he's threatening
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: to shoot everybody. And I didn't know what he was saying.
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: And the translator, everything was so chaotic. The translators weren't,
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: weren't telling me. He said it three times. You don't
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: get out of here. Bullets are going to start flying.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: Like he's military, you know, guy, like he's armed to
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: the teeth. But I was looking at this guy's face
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: and I'm looking at Dave, the DP, Dave West. And
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm hoping that he's getting this guy's face.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: But Dave had the wrong lens, and the guy was
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: looking at my DP, and he was going like this.
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: Dave said he's never been more intimidated trying to film
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: someone in his life. And he was like this, and
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: he had one hand under here like that. And he
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: kept doing that to the camera guy. And Dave said
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: he was trying to, like, zoom in on the face,
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: and it was going blurry, and he couldn't, you know.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: It was very intense. And then Homolo looks over at me, terminado. Like, I,
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: we didn't, he doesn't speak English. he doesn't speak English
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: and I don't speak Portuguese. I know very little, but
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: that look he gave me, that was like international. Like
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: that look he gave me is we're getting the hell
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: out of here right now, right now. And he's like, I'll,
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you later kind of thing. And then we left. And, um,
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: I asked him, I was like, was he serious? Like
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: that guy? Look, all he had to do was come
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: outside and be like, ah, you know, guys. And the
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: first thing he says is the first thing he says,
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: all we say is air cloaks, air cloaks. Eric's not
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: going to talk about the E.T. That was the first
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: thing out of his mouth. Like, why would you say that? Like,
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: it's like the police showing up at your house and
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: you open the door going, there are no drugs in here.
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: It's like, well, I didn't ask that. But now that
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: you mention it, okay, I guess you guys have drugs.
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: And he's like, I can't talk about the E.T. Eric
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: Lopes could have just come outside and said, oh, this
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: is a huge misunderstanding. Nothing happened. I'm so sorry that,
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: you know, my name got dragged into this story. There's
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 1: nothing to it. That's all he has to do and
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: it's over, right? He didn't do that. He just threatened
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: to kill everybody and said, I'm not talking about the E.T.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: So that's very telling about what happened. And they just
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: named a street after Marco Chirisi three days ago. So
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: it's an ongoing story. It's a, excuse me, it's a
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: fascinating story. And I'm going to hang my hat on this,
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: that if I have the right help, and we're all
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: in this together, if there's enough compelling eyewitness testimony to
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: make one think, This very well might have happened. Doesn't
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: that merit further investigation? Doesn't that merit further efforts to
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: solve this riddle once and for all? This debate's been
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: going on for 80 years. I'm handing this case to
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: the world on a silver platter and saying, help me,
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: let's get this one done.
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 3: Imagine if some of that autopsy photos got out, some video.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm talking to the doctors, and I can tell
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: you right now that the doctors all talk to each other.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: And there were doctors that shot video of that creature.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: I guarantee it. I know that for a fact.
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 3: And no one controlled that video. No one stopped them
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 3: from doing that. No one.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: Apparently the doctors were left alone in the room for
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: a while with this thing. And here's something that I
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: really want to put out there. Hopefully this gets translated
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: into Portuguese and the people of Brazil will hear this.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: The doctors that were written about in Dr. Roger Lear's book.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: One of my biggest regrets. I was filming in Los Angeles. 2013,
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: I was covering the Rua Zimbabwe case and I had
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: flown in all these witnesses with the help of this guy,
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: Randall Nickerson. I'd flown on all these witnesses to the
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: landing case that happened in Africa as adults. And I
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: was doing this really intense shoot down there. I had
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: Kim Arnold, the daughter of Kenneth Arnold. So when Paula
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: Harris helped me lock that was a nightmare trying to
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: get her on camera. And I just had so much
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: going on. And meanwhile, I'm getting phone calls from this guy,
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: Roger Lear, Dr. Roger Lear. And he's going, I understand
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: you're investigating Virginia. You got to get me on camera.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: You got to get me on camera. And I kept saying,
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: I will, I'll try. And I ended up, he got
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: really upset with me. And he's like, well, if you're
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: not going to get me on camera, I said, it's
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: not that I don't want to get you on camera, Roger.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: I said, I'm so busy right now. He goes, well,
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: what he didn't tell me was I've got cancer and
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: I'm dying. And please get me on camera. Cause there's
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: aspects of the story that you need to know that
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: I know. So anyway, he died. He gives me these
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: tapes and then he dies. I actually, I sent the
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: tapes back to him and then he died. And, um,
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: And I got his book, too, and I was reading
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: his book when I'm putting the film together. And in
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: the book, it's basically a transcription of all the tapes
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: that I have. I could see that because I have
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: the tapes. And he's got a professional translator, and he's
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: got this guy, Uba Dejada Rodriguez, going around the countryside
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: with him and introducing all these witnesses. And it's all
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: on camera, except the meeting with, according to his book,
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: that took place in Humanitas Hospital with two doctors. I
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: couldn't validate this, and I didn't put it in the movie.
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: But if there's two doctors who are listening to this,
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: apparently the creature was alive. The one that Marco Chirisi
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: brought into Humanitas Hospital was alive. And according to Dr.
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: Roger Lear's book, everything else is accurate. I can't say
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: if this was accurate or not, but he put it
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: in his book. So I'm assuming that it is. And
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: Uba Dejara won't talk about it. He's a witness. There
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: were two doctors that claimed telepathic communication with the live entity.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: And that's in his book. Now, I'm not telling your
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: audience that that's true. I'm telling your audience that it
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: might be true. We know that that entity, that creature,
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: that being, that ET, whatever you want to call it,
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: went to Humanitas Hospital. We know that because we have
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: testimony from the people that took it there. We have
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: testimony from people on the inside that claimed it was there.
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: But we don't have any testimony from the doctors that
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: claimed there was a telepathic communication.
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 3: Do they talk at all about what it said?
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: It said that they felt sorry for the human species,
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: not realizing their potential, who they really are. Like they're
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: not We don't realize as a race who we really are.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: That's what they said. It's in his book. So anyway.
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 3: What did they mean by that?
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: That we don't recognize... I mean, I'm not quite sure.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: I guess that we don't recognize the potential that we
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: have as human beings, who we really are. I'm not
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: sure what they meant exactly, more than that. But if
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: Uba Dajjal Rodriguez is listening to this, please come forward
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: and tell me who those doctors are. If the doctors
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: are listening to this, they're still alive. What does it take?
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: What will it take to get you to come forward? Anything.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: Just tell me what it takes. And I can tell
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: people to contact me at my Twitter. I guess that's
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: the best way to tell, right? At James C. Fox?
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 3: Is that... Yeah.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: Would that be the best way to do it?
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. I'm not going to give
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: up my email. Don't give up your email. No, I'm
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: not going to do that. But let's... Twitter sorted it out.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: I want people to know about this case, and I
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: want people to know that this is an ongoing investigation.
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: This is not solved. This is an ongoing investigation. It's
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: something that we could all... hopefully unite and really push
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: to get answers, both on the U.S. side and in
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: the Brazil side. We have a lot more answers in Brazil.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: We've got not a lot going on. I know that
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: Leslie Kane is pushing. She's contacting some of her people
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 1: on the inside that have indicated that it did happen.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 3: To me, one of the weirdest ones was Ryan Graves.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 3: Because Ryan Graves is explaining to me how they upgraded
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 3: their systems.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, started picking that stuff up.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 3: And they started instantaneously picking up these things that were
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 3: just defying physics.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 3: That they didn't have the ability to detect before because
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 3: the systems weren't as good.
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: Just interviewed him in Washington, D.C. And you know one
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: thing that he told me that I was fascinated by?
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: He said that the Admiral came in, I think it
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: was in 2015, when they'd just gotten that one object
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: that was kind of rotating, kind of like a disc-looking thing.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: He said that the admiral came in and he was like, oh, God,
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: the admiral's here. And they had a debriefing on it
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: and they were showing the videos. And the admiral stepped
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: in and he took a look at it for five seconds.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: And it's much longer than five seconds. He shrugged his
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: shoulder and it's kind of like, oh, boy. And he
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: walked out of the room. I was like, well, what
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: does that mean? He goes, that means, in my opinion,
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: that he was very aware of this. This phenomenon is
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: nothing new. It's been going on and they've known about it.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: But what can they do, right?
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 3: What can you do?
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: What can you do? You try chasing them. They fly
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: rings around your jets. I mean, they're doing what they're doing.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: It's almost like they have their own agenda. Who the
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: hell knows? But they're stationary. They're in the air. He goes,
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: they don't have to recharge. They're there 24-7.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 3: Is it the gimbal footage where it turns sideways?
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's called the gimbal. There's the go fast.
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: There's the tic-tac. There's the gimbal.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 3: See if you can find that gimbal footage. The gimbal
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 3: footage is fascinating because you see it rotate. You see
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 3: it do this thing that everybody describes.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: Taken at night. And I'd also like to put out there,
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 1: if there are any pilots... Any military personnel that have
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: any photographic evidence and you'd like to come forward with it,
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: please do so. I've got a new project, and you
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: can do it anonymously. Hopefully you'll do it not anonymously.
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 3: This is the thing.
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: But whatever it takes.
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 3: It's flying.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: And there's another one, too, because it's slightly better. Maybe
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: he changes the footage.
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 3: I think he does.
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there it goes. Yeah, that looks kind of.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 3: Like a top. Changes this way, and then somewhere along.
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 3: And it looks very similar. to those things that we
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 3: were just looking at. Those photographs, very similar. It looks
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 3: very disc-like.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: That's another thing that Senator Reid revealed to me during
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: the interview.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 2: He said that the material, the evidence that's been released,
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 2: this was Senator Harry Reid, former Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid,
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 2: told me this on camera.
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: The evidence that's been released is just the tip of
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: the iceberg. Now, let me go through a couple of cases.
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: Do you mind?
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 3: Please.
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: All right. And the reason why I say this is
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: because I talked to you earlier about that some UFOs,
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: some UAP, I can't underline that word enough, represent or
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: originate from a non-human intelligence. And I'm going to go
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: through a handful of cases that I personally have looked into.
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: These are cases that could prove one way or the other,
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: certainly make a very compelling argument that some of these
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 1: objects So let's start with 1945, Trinity. Jacques Vallée just
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: wrote a book with a woman named Paula Harris. Fascinating case.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: I met two of the witnesses. I went to the
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: landing site, the alleged crash site. Very compelling. There's probably
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: military records on that if that's the case, according to
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: the eyewitness testimony. That should be looked into. Roswell. Now,
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: I know your audience is going to say, Roswell's been
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: beaten to death. But, well, how about this? Let's say
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: that a murder took place, even though it's 80 years
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: ago or 75 years ago. Does that make it like, oh, well,
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: so much time has passed. Let's not worry about it. No.
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: And the reason why Roswell is so relevant that most
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: people don't understand is that you had the 509th bomb squadron,
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: the most elite squadron hand select unit in the world,
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: exclusively responsible for the deployment of atomic weapons announced that
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: they recovered a flying saucer.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 3: That's a fact.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: Okay. Then they recant and say, oh, terribly sorry. It
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: was just a common everyday weather balloon. Jesse Marcel, the
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: first person at the debris field with Mack Brazel, and
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: thank you, Don Schmidt and Kevin Randall for all your work.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: We wouldn't talk about this if it hadn't been for
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: them and Stan Freeman. Mack Brazel takes Marcel and another guy,
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: intelligence officer, out to the debris field. Mack Brazel says
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: this stuff was, the material was clearly not of Earth origin.
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 1: I know weather balloons inside and out. He described the
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: material like tinfoil that you crumple it up and it
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: regains its thing. These eye beams that are purple with
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: hieroglyphic writings, things of that nature. He takes it back
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: to his son, who I met, Jesse Marcel Jr. I
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 1: knew him well. Went on Larry King with the guy
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: a bunch of times. He described the same material that
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: he handled personally in his hands, okay? The press conference
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: they had with Colonel DuBose, Roger Ramey, And Jesse Marcel,
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: two out of three of those went on the record
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: on camera, said the original story was true. The balloon
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: story was a cover-up. You've got the FBI memo by J.
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: Edgar Hoover in his own handwriting. He talks about in
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: the SW case, could be Southwest, the Army grabbed it
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 1: and wouldn't let us have it for cursory examination. That's
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 1: pretty compelling. You've got Apollo 14 astronaut Edgar Mitchell, who
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: just so happened to grow up in Roswell. And when
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: he came back from his mission to the moon in
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: the 70s, Apollo 14, six men to walk on the moon,
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 1: he gets back and he knows all those ranchers. And
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: those ranchers tell him, yeah, that was not of Earth origin.
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 1: He's gone on the record saying this. And he also
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: confirmed that his intelligence sources, he's an astronaut, he landed
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: on the moon, told him that that Roswell was real.
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: So based on just that alone, that's extremely compelling. And
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: I know that Sheila Widnall, the former Secretary of the
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: Air Force in the 90s under the Clinton administration. She
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: went after that case because Clinton went after that case.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: And they weren't happy with the answers they were getting.
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: And then the Air Force comes up with Project Mogul. Well,
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: if you look at Project Mogul, Project Mogul is just
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 1: exactly the same explanation as the first one, except it's
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: a bunch of these balloons stringed together. Balsa wood, tinfoil,
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 1: absolute baloney. If the Air Force really wanted to squash it,
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: Show us that material that the firsthand eyewitness testimony, the
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: people that have gone on camera described, show us that
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: material that crumples up from 1947. Show us those eye
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: beams with hieroglyphics on them.
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 3: Can I stop you real quick?
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: Sure, absolutely.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 3: The material that crumpled up, what's fascinating is it's exactly
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 3: the same as what was described in the Varginia case.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: Yes, that's what Carlos de Sousa described, yes.
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 3: This material was light like a little bit of foil.
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 3: When you crumple it and let it go, it goes
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 3: right back.
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 1: To its form. Took back its shape, yes. So anyway,
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 1: so that's Roswell.
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 3: So someone has this.
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 3: Supposedly.
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, supposedly.
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 3: And someone probably has photos of this, supposedly.
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a memo out that was found, actually, called
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: the Wilson Memo. Most researchers think it's a smoking gun.
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: I've got it here, actually.
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 3: The Jackie Gleason.
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 1: Jackie Gleason's amazing. I've met a guy who.
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 3: Nixon things. Why?
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely. And Jackie Gleason told my buddy, Jeff Sagansky,
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: don't listen to what anyone ever tells you. I had
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: 100% confirmation these things exist. He didn't say... that the
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: President Nixon drove me out to a base in Florida.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: But he told them, don't listen to anybody who says
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 1: they know for a fact these things exist. That was
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: really cool. Anyway, this is the Wilson memo. We should
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: look into it. That actually came out when Dr. Edgar
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 1: Mitchell passed. That leaked out. A guy named James Rigney
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: had something to do with it. There's been analysis work
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: on it. But this is considered a smoking gun evidence
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: for crash materials and programs of that nature. There's a
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: guy named Hal Puthoff. that's mentioned. Eric Davies is mentioned.
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: Admiral Wilson is mentioned. Quite fascinating. It could be. I
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 1: think there are other people out there like Richard Dolan
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: and who's the other guy, Ross Colhart. They know a
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 1: lot more about this document than I do. But in
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: any case, let's move on. Now you got 1950.
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 3: Can I stop you one more time?
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 3: You said Clinton looked into this, but he wasn't happy
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 3: with the answers he got?
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 3: How'd that go?
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: What happened was Lawrence Spellman Rockefeller was pressuring the Clinton administration.
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 1: I know this because I talked to John Podesta about
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 1: it and other people. And he was basically saying that
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: if you don't push for government transparency on this topic
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: to Clinton, then I'm going to expose the fact that
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 1: you're not doing it in every newspaper journal across the country. Okay? Okay.
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 1: So Clinton administrations goes, OK, fine. What do you want
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 1: me to do? Which case? Pick a case. And they said,
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 1: I want you to go after Roswell. So Clinton went
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: after Roswell. They were not happy with the answer they
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: were getting about Roswell. That's that side of the story.
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, Podesta basically said, yeah, we looked into it.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: And they eventually came back with that report, Roswell case closed.
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 1: And they talked about this stupid weather balloon. It was
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 1: the Project Mogul. Project Mogul is exactly the same damn
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: weather balloon, just a bunch of them strung together. Same excuse,
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: same thing. Anyway, we'll move on. Go to 1950. You've
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: got a couple of I was talking about earlier, Evelyn
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: Trent and her Paul, Paul and Evelyn Trent photograph a disc.
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: It's very credible. McMinnville, Oregon, very good case. 52. You've
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 1: got the two consecutive weekends in July of 1952 where
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 1: you've got UFOs over the White House and UFOs over
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: the Capitol. You have testimony, thank God, to a guy
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 1: that was in the radar room that night that heard
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: the transmission between the pilots that were scrambled to intercept
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: these things, Al Chop. A guy named Tom Tullian of
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: Project Archives, thank God, got him on camera. Thank you, Tom.
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: And you get to hear testimony of a guy who's
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: listening to the pilot flying at 500 miles an hour
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: in the pitch black over the Capitol. And he's surrounded
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 1: by UFOs. And he's radioing back to the tower going,
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: what do I do? And they were all silent. Now,
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 1: the interesting thing about this is that the Air Force
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 1: was in full swing. They gave a press conference. It
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 1: was the biggest press conference since the termination of since
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 1: the end of World War II. It was General John Sanford.
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: And he basically says, there are credible people making incredible claims,
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: and we don't think that it's us. But the Air Force,
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 1: in 1952... refused to let the public hear the testimony
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 1: of the pilots. Like, duh. Imagine not hearing from David Fravor.
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: How are you supposed to put together a story if
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 1: you can't hear from that? You got a public, like,
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 1: you got a public project, blue book, and you're not
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 1: going to share with us? I mean, Ruppelt wrote a
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: book about it. It's amazing. That case in 52 is phenomenal.
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 1: That's a fantastic case. Jacques Vallée is convinced that they
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 1: had orders to shoot these things down, that one of them,
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 1: a piece, did fall down and was captured. We had
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: an argument about putting it in the phenomenon, and I
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 1: ultimately said, Jacques, it's hearsay. I can't do it, and
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: I didn't. But Jacques is convinced that we have a
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: piece of that from 1952. Fast forward, 1955, Alabama. William T. Coleman,
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 1: United States Air Force, World War II pilot, flying a
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 1: B-25 bomber. He describes, along with, there were two engineers
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 1: from Lockheed Martin and Boeing, I think, in the cockpit.
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: They see an object about roughly 9,000 feet. They chase it.
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 1: It ends up at treetop level. A guy told me,
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 1: and I interviewed this guy personally at his home in Florida, okay?
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 1: He said that the chase was so dramatic at the end,
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 1: the disc was right in front of them. They were
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 1: at treetop level at maximum continuous power. I said, what
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: did that mean? He goes, if I went any faster,
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 1: the engine was going to blow up. He said, I
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 1: thought I was going to hit this thing, this disc,
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 1: and they're all just like, the hell, it's broad daylight.
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 1: What are we looking at here? And the disc is eventually,
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 1: he has to turn to avoid hitting the disc. And
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 1: this is the United States Air Force Colonel William T. Coleman.
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 1: He has to pull up first because he said if
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: he dipped to the right, his wings would have hit
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 1: the trees. So he pulls up, dips to the right,
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 1: misses this thing close nearly and And when he gets
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 1: regained sight of it, it's skimming across a recently plowed
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 1: field and it's stirring up dust in the back of it.
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 1: The plane lands. They give their testimony, all three of them.
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 1: This is the height of Project Blue Book. He was
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 1: later put in charge as public spokesman for Project Blue Book.
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 1: William T. Coleman. Look him up. You don't have to
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 1: do it now. But the fascinating aspect of it was
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 1: that report was never included as Project Blue Book. The
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 1: better the case, the more credible the witnesses, the less
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 1: likely you'll ever hear about this. Okay? Fast forward 1957,
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 1: Edwards Air Force Base. I personally interviewed Mercury astronaut Gordon Cooper.
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 1: Gordon Cooper told me on camera that they were supervising
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 1: the installation of a new runway for F-86 fighter jets
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 1: at Edwards Air Force Base. He was not present, but
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 1: his camera crew was. A disc in broad daylight came
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 1: into view, and it landed on the dry lake bed.
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 1: The guys turned their cameras on it. They filmed it.
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 1: They walked towards it, it lifted off, and it shot
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 1: off at a high rate of speed. It was 1957.
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 1: He said he had the film footage developed. He told
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 1: me this all on camera. He had the film footage developed.
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 1: He held it up. He saw it was probably good footage.
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 1: He's phoning the higher-ups. Eventually, a courier jet comes in
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: from Washington, D.C. Footage was taken, never seen or heard
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 1: from ever again. Typical, right? So let's fast forward. Let's
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: go to the 60s. I talked about that case earlier, 1964.
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 1: You've got the landing with Lonnie Zamora, right? You've got
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 1: the Close Encounter of the Third Kind, one of the
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 1: most well-documented cases in U.S. history. What does the Air
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: Force do? The Air Force tells Lonnie Zamora, the witness,
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 1: do not talk about the beans because that is incredibly
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: difficult to explain, right? In fact, they don't want to
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 1: talk about the case at all, but particularly don't talk
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 1: about the beans. 1966, you've got UFOs landing in Michigan.
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 1: You've got then-Congressman Gerald Ford gets involved because that's when
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: the Air Force, Dr. Hynek, explains the whole thing away
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 1: as swamp gas, pisses off then-Congressman Gerald Ford. He pushes
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 1: for congressional hearings. Those happen. As the hearings are ending, April,
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 1: I think it's April 4th or April 5th, 1966, there's
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 1: UFOs landing on the other side of the world at
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 1: Westall Primary School. It's an incredible case. Over 300 witnesses,
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 1: including the science teacher who I got on camera. So
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 1: let's go to, let's see, why don't we jump to
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 1: the 70s? We've got 70s. 1973, Lieutenant Coyne encounters a
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 1: UFO in a helicopter. The UFO momentarily takes control of
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 1: his helicopter. He testified at the United Nations in 1978.
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 1: That was put on by Lee Spiegel and Jacques Vallée
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: and Dr. Jalen Hynek. Fascinating case. We can go to
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 1: December of 1980. I talked about that case earlier. Joint U.S.
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 1: military base in England. Bentwaters, Rendlesham Forest. Got a landing.
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 1: Housing nuclear weapons. You've got the deputy base commander. You've
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: got all these men talking about this crap that's sitting
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 1: on the ground. Fascinating case. We'll go forward to 1986, Anchorage, Alaska.
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 1: You've got JAL Airlines with a Japanese pilot by the
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 1: name of Kenju Chirachi. And fortunately, the reason why we
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 1: know about this case is because FAA official John Callahan
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 1: kept records of the cockpit recordings, the radar recordings. The
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: voice recordings of the actual pilot talking about what he's
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 1: seen is absolutely mind-boggling. They directly correspond to all the
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 1: radar data which he has. He went on the record
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 1: about it a number of times. And he said there
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 1: was a meeting with the CIA stepped in. I'm just
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 1: reporting what this guy said, okay? You guys believe me
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 1: or not believe me, the data's out there. Go look
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 1: at it. It's a thing I did, Colton. I know
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 1: what I saw. He testified at the National Press Club
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 1: in 2007 with Leslie Kane and I organized it. as
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 1: to what was going on. He kept that radar data.
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 1: Fascinating case. The pilot, Kendri Taraci, said it dwarfed his airplane.
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 1: It followed him around. It did maneuvers that were impossible.
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 1: It made his airplane so small, and he was in
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 1: a 747, and a 747's got an elevator in it.
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 1: That was 1986. Now let's jump to 1989, 1990. You've
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 1: got Belgium, and I personally investigated this case. Belgium, the general,
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 1: the Brazilians, the Belgian Air Force, General Wilford de Brouwer
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 1: said there was objects that were the size of a
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 1: football field, triangular in shape, didn't make any sound, and
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 1: then a slight buzzing, shooting beams of light down to
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 1: the ground. I interviewed de Brouwer. I flew him out
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 1: from Belgium to the United States to testify at the
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 1: National Press Club in 2007. He said that two men
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 1: from an unknown government agency in the U.S. requested the
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 1: radar data, the tapes. He said, sure, I'll make copies
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 1: for you, but I needed an official request. They wouldn't
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 1: do it. He was all, well, that's awfully puzzling. This
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 1: is General Wilfred de Brouwer going on camera with me.
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 1: I know. That's what he told me. Okay. Now let's
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 1: go to 1994. Now we've got a landing in Africa,
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 1: Rua Zimbabwe, aerial school, roughly 100 witnesses. Fascinating case. Dr.
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 1: John Mack investigates the case. He's actually getting funded by
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 1: also Lawrence Spellman Rockefeller. He was doing a major funding
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 1: in the 90s about this stuff. One of the best cases,
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 1: Rua Zimbabwe, 1996. You've got the crash in Virginia, Brazil.
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 1: Now let's jump to 1997. You've got Phoenix, Arizona, March 13th, 1997.
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 1: You've got a number of objects. One in particular that
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 1: caught my interest was a boomerang-shaped craft that, according to
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 1: the witnesses, and everyone was out under the night sky
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 1: to get a glimpse of Hell Bob Comet at the time,
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 1: so a lot of people saw it, that floated across
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 1: the state of Arizona roughly around 5 o'clock to 8.30.
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 1: from north to south. I interviewed families that were lying
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 1: on their backs. I have it all documented. Lying on
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 1: their backs, and they said this thing was so huge,
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 1: it took four minutes to pass over our house. It
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 1: looked like it was going to land. Well, I also
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 1: interviewed the governor, Fife Simonton. He too saw it and
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 1: said that he launched his own investigation with Luke Air
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 1: Force Base, and they had sent planes to intercept this thing.
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 1: He'd investigated Luke Air Force Base. He'd contacted his people
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 1: at the Pentagon. They shrugged their shoulders and said, we
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 1: don't know what the hell that thing was. It had
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 1: the ability to move very slowly. And when it accelerated
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 1: and took off, it took off in the blink of
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 1: an eye.
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 3: It was gone.
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 1: Okay. So now let's go forward. Let's go to, let's
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 1: say 2004. You got the Nimitz case off the 200
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 1: miles off the coast of San Diego. We all know
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 1: about that case, David Fravor. They've got photographic evidence, right?
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 1: FLIR footage, four people that saw it. They chased this thing.
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 1: It flew rings around. I mean, Fravor describes the tech,
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 1: the technology that thing displayed made a joke of their F-18s.
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 1: Fascinating case. 2006, we got O'Hare, Chicago O'Hare Airport, Terminal 17,
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 1: you've got half the crew at United Airlines seeing a
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 1: disc hovering over the airport. It hovers there for several minutes.
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 1: There's a guy, John Hillenkotter, I think his name is,
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 1: John something. He wrote an article about it, and he
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 1: actually sent a FOIA request and got the tapes from
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 1: the tower. You hear them talking about it while they're
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 1: looking at it. It's an amazing case. When the disc,
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 1: according to the United Airlines people, personnel, left the area,
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 1: it punched a donut hole in the cloud. brilliant case.
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 1: They said it was weather phenomenon.
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 3: Is that recording, the recording of those air traffic controller
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 3: guys talking about it, is that available?
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. It's out there. You can find it right now.
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 3: Let's find it right now and listen to it.
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 1: So 2008. Let's go to 2008. Okay.
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 3: Jamie's going to find that. We'll get a play that
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 3: as soon as he finds it.
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 1: Stephenville, Texas. You've got an object that was so described
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 1: to be so big that you could land an airplane
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 1: on it. Okay. I interviewed one of the best witnesses,
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 1: civilian witness, and I can, I have police officers that
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 1: I interviewed as well. Police officers. So I interviewed this
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 1: guy named Ricky Sorrells. I tracked him down and with
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 1: the help of Angela Joyner and, uh, Ricky Sorrells is
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 1: one of the best witnesses. He was a deer hunter
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 1: and he, he said he was going out at dusk
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 1: and he's got his rifle and he's looking down and
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 1: he's careful not to step on the dry leaves to
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 1: make the cracking sounds and scare the deer. So he's
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 1: looking down and he suddenly feels like something's up and
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 1: he looks above him and he sees this object right
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 1: above him. That's so big. He said he couldn't see
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 1: the edges from any direction. So he gets his rifle
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 1: and he points his rifle up and he's a metal
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 1: worker too. And he said, I was looking through the
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 1: scope and I was examining the metal. He said, I'd
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 1: never seen anything like it. No rivets, no seams, no
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 1: weld marks. And it had these recessed cones in the
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 1: belly of this thing. And he said, when it took off,
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 1: It took off so quick. Had I blinked, it would
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 1: have looked like it just disappeared in place. And it
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 1: didn't do what you'd think it would do like that.
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 1: It went like that. So anyway, so I'm interviewing him.
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 3: You're saying this all audio too.
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 1: Oh, yes. I'm so sorry.
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 3: So it didn't, it just shot straight up in the air.
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 3: It didn't go like a saucer skimming across the water.
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 3: It just shot straight up in the air.
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 1: It shot straight up in the air. And he said
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 1: it was so big that he could have easily landed
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 1: an airplane on it. So anyway, so I'm interviewing this.
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 1: I'm interviewing other police officers. And I'm investigating this case
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 1: for a couple of years. I put a lot of
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 1: it in the part I'm about to share with you
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 1: right now. I didn't put in the film because I couldn't.
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 1: But the guy who's going to come, he's going to
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 1: come forward next year. And that's the police officer that
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 1: pulls me aside. And I'm filming in downtown Plaza Stephenville,
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 1: probably in 2009. And I was standing there doing some
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 1: filming with Ricky Sorrells. And it was kind of like
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 1: on our lunch break. And this guy walks up to me.
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 1: I'll never forget it. And he whips out his badge.
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 1: And he's like, are you James Fox? And I was like, oh, God,
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 1: what did I do? And he shows me his badge.
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 1: He's like, I'm Officer So-and-so. Can I talk to you
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 1: for a minute? I was like, yeah, OK. So I
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 1: go off to a cafe. He sits with his back
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 1: to the wall. And you see him coming forward. He says,
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 1: everything Ricky Sorrell is telling you is true. I want
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 1: you to know that. I said, how do you know?
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 1: He said, we all watched it. The entire police force
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 1: all watched this thing. And it was like a department
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 1: store thing. I pulled out my radar gun and I
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 1: shot my radar gun at this thing. It was doing
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 1: 22 miles an hour. It was floating like a city.
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 1: It was absolutely colossal. He said one of my mates
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 1: took dash cam footage of it. And one of his
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 1: biggest regrets was it ended up with the local Air
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 1: Force base and they took it. He's going to come.
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 1: I know. But I'm saying that the reason why I'm
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 1: saying this is because those people out there that are
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 1: possibly hopefully listening to this podcast are If they know
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 1: where this evidence is, or if they were involved in
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 1: this in any way, shape, or form, and they want
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 1: to come forward, please come forward. Now's the time. So
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 1: that's an incredible case, Stephenville, Texas. Did you find the
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 1: audio recordings?
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, which I've actually found a couple of them.
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Which one specifically? They'll say, so-and-so took a photograph
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 1: of it. Oh, sorry, of the, it's the 2006 O'Hare
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 1: UFO incident. It's phenomenal. I'm trying to remember the name
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 1: of the gentleman. John something that wrote the article. It
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 1: was exploded all over the headlines.
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 3: You are so good at recall with all this stuff.
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 3: You can really tell that you've been obsessed with this
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 3: for so long. It's so fascinating to watch your mind, like,
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 3: go through these cases and remember all these details with
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 3: barely even looking at notes. It's all just.
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 1: I have... Every time I get up and I do
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 1: something like this, Joe, I'm representing all the witnesses that
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 1: have trusted me. Sorry. I'm representing them. So, when I
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 1: hear Dr. Kirkpatrick say what he said, it's a personal assault.
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 3: I don't know what you're talking about.
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 1: Well, he's just dismissive. When I hear the government dismissive
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 1: this whole thing, I'm thinking to myself, I take it personally.
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 1: Because when I'm out there talking to people like you
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 1: on these platforms, I'm sorry, it's just tense for me.
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 1: It's like I represent these witnesses. I'm a voice for them.
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 1: I come out here and I represent them and they
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 1: trust me. And that means a lot to me. So, sorry.
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 3: No, I get it. Listen, man. You're passionate about this.
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 3: It means something to you. And that's one of the
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 3: reasons why your documentaries are so good.
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 1: I give a shit about the facts.
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 3: Listen, man, if you're right and if this is real,
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 3: this is one of the most important things to talk about.
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 3: And if it wasn't for documentaries like yours and Jeremy
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 3: Corbell's and a few of the other ones that are
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 3: out there, it wouldn't be as big of an issue
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 3: with people. They wouldn't think that this was real, that
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 3: there's weight to this. And, you know, like I said,
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 3: when I heard about the Varginha case, I remember thinking, oh,
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 3: come on, people lie. I always think that. I always think, ah, people...
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 3: Because they do. Some people like to lie.
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no question.
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 3: But that's not that simple. That one's very complicated. That
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 3: one's very complicated. And again, that man who goes to
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 3: the spot where he saw that 25 years ago and
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 3: he starts crying. And Jesus Christ.
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 1: I teared up. Do you know that I showed him?
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 1: I interviewed Military X, as you know. He's in the movie.
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 1: But Military X, it's in the credits. Military X said,
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 1: for the first time, it all started at Maialini Farms.
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 1: Myelini Farm is where we took him for the crash site.
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 3: Was there any indication on the ground? Yeah.
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 1: Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. So I flew the
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 1: drone over the crash site. I'm in New York City
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago at a conference. And this
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 1: guy pulls me aside and he goes, hey, James, I
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 1: just watched your movie Moment of Contact. Holy shit. He goes,
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm a geologist. That ground at the impact site?
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 1: It's been tampered with. I said, thank you, because I'm
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 1: not a geologist. But I took my drone and I
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 1: flew it over. It's in the movie. You can see it.
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 1: You look down at that site and that area looks
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 1: so different than everything around it. It looks so different.
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 1: According to Sousa, there was some sort of acid that
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 1: was burning from the craft. And that acid is what
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 1: smelled so bad. And 26 years later, you can see it.
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 1: Excuse me.
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 3: It looks so the acid from the craft, but it
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 3: was also the S the biological smell of the beings
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 3: that too.
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 3: It was a bunch of different.
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 3: I mean, and so does he think that someone excavated
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 3: the site?
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 1: Well, all I know is what, when I was told
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 1: I went to Roswell 50th anniversary and I met with people,
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 1: lots of witnesses at Roswell, the 50th anniversary, I was
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 1: in my twenties. And, uh, they said that people were
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 1: shoulder to shoulder on the ground. picking up pieces. And
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 1: after that, they lit it on fire and burned it,
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 1: and then they bulldozed it. So I would imagine that
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 1: they might have done the same in Brazil, but I
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 1: don't know. You know, one of the things that didn't
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 1: end up in the film, I don't know why, I
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 1: got talked out of it or something. We met the
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 1: farmhand at Marilini Farm, and he was talking about the
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 1: neighbors all saying they heard a huge boom. It happened
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 1: like 5 o'clock in the morning, 4.35 a.m. Something like that,
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 1: a huge boom. And there were other witnesses like truckers
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 1: that saw it too. that actually gave some testimony in 1996,
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 1: and I couldn't track it down, but again, it's an
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 1: ongoing investigation that truckers saw the thing. There was the farmhand,
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 1: and there are certain things that don't add up, like
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 1: Carlos de Sousa, and I love him to death, but
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 1: there was a statement, I think, I haven't seen it,
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 1: but I've heard that he made that one time was
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 1: that the military trucks arrived within minutes of him getting there,
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 1: but he's also made a statement that they were there
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 1: or they were pulling in when he got there. So
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 1: there's a couple of minutes discrepancy. I don't know. I
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 1: believe the guy. The guy was highly traumatized. He had
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 1: a visit and his life was threatened. And he was
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 1: pointed at gunpoint to get out of there. The guy
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 1: goes in hiding for 26 years. Could it be that
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 1: he remembers it a little bit differently? Could be.
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 3: So he described it one way back then and another
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 3: way now?
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 1: Just exactly the same. but that the military trucks were
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 1: either there or already there or coming. Just a little variation.
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 3: That's very possible. Yeah. He just forgot it differently. That's
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 3: not as important as what he saw.
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 1: No. And then I could give you another example. Like,
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 1: you know. Carlos de Sousa is convinced that that was
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 1: on the 13th of, because he was going, he's an
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 1: ultralight pilot. He's also like a history or geography professor
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 1: in Sao Paulo, that it was the 13th of January.
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 1: And the girls saw the creature on the 20th of January.
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 1: How did those creatures get from the crash site to
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 1: the town? Well, there's a river, and I've talked to
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 1: some researchers that think that that's a possibility because the
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 1: river goes from the crash site right to the area
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 1: where the creatures were found. Could it be they got
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 1: in the water? I don't know. Maybe. I have no idea.
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 1: And what did they do for six days? I have
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 1: no idea.
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 3: So the crash was six days different from... The.
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 1: Crash happened according to the witnesses. According to Sousa, he's
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 1: convinced it happened on the 13th. And the girls, they know.
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 1: They saw the creatures on the 20th. So do you
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 1: see what I'm saying? And then how did they get...
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 1: What happened during that period?
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 3: What about the record of when the U.S. Air Force
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 3: jet flew in?
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 1: That was the guy Marco Feres. F-E-R-E-S. He said it
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 1: was January. He was like, ah, 20th, 21st. He's like, yeah,
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 1: he's like, I think it's 20th, 21st, something like that.
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 3: So it's somewhere in that range.
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 1: Oh, totally. Well, right in there. And the plane lands
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 1: without authorization from the Brazilian government, and it lands in Campinas.
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 1: And then the helicopters go from Campinas to Virginia. And
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 1: then they go from Virginia back to Campinas. They load
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 1: something on the airplane, and the United States Air Force
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 1: takes off again. all without any authorization from the Brazilian government.
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 1: And that's what these guys are saying. Every single military
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 1: person that we met with, we put a lot of
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 1: little nuggets in the credits at the end, they all
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 1: said the Americans were involved. Because I didn't know. When
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 1: I went into this, I had no idea.
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 3: Isn't it fascinating that they would listen to us?
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 1: It's absolutely fascinating, and I want them to come forward.
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 1: People on the U.S. side, come forward, please. We need
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 1: your testimony. This is the case that could solve this
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 1: riddle once and for all.
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 3: Because the people that saw it were alive. And it
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 3: seems like there's real footage and real photography.
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 1: What would you do? What would you do for the
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 1: footage of the creature? You personally, what would you do
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 1: for it? Would you go to Brazil? I'm just asking.
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 3: Just to get it?
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 1: If you were guaranteed to get it when you got there,
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 1: would you go for it?
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 3: If I was you?
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 1: You? I'm talking to you.
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 3: Just curious.
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 1: You wouldn't do it.
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 3: I'm busy.
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 1: I know you are. Footage of an alien.
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not going. But if you go, I'll definitely
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 3: watch the video when you bring it back.
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Logan Paul was like, well, I want a guarantee.
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 1: I said, Logan, there are no guarantees in life. There's
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 1: death and taxes, okay?
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 3: Well, especially to a guy like you who's been chasing
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 3: this for 12 years.
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 1: Well, that case, yeah, I know. Well, you know, I mean,
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 1: I look at Marco Leal and I look at these
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 1: other researchers and I tip my hat to them, but
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 1: It's amazing.
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 3: It's a phenomenal case. It makes sense that we're not alone.
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 3: And it makes sense regardless of what people like Neil
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 3: deGrasse Tyson think.
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 1: I can't believe you just said that.
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 1: Okay, so here's my thing. We love Neil deGrasse Tyson.
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 1: He is a treasure to the world. He makes science exciting.
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 1: He gets children interested. The guy's gregarious. He's funny. He's
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 1: wicked bright. But when he talks about this aspect, UAP
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 1: or UFO, we all cringe because he clearly doesn't know.
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 1: And he goes right to E.T. I'm like, nobody's screaming
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 1: from the hilltop E.T. has landed. We're saying that there
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 1: are structured craft of unknown origin exhibiting a technology far
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 1: beyond anything that we comprehend, according to the military people
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 1: I've talked to around the world. And we don't know
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 1: where they come from. We'd like to know. And I
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 1: say to Neil deGrasse Tyson, I'm serious, and I hope
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 1: you don't take this the wrong way, but I'll put $ 25, 000
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 1: on the table right here and right now. If he
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 1: watches The Phenomenon and he has the same position after
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 1: watching that evidence that we put together carefully with the
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 1: help of Jacques Vallée and many others to present that
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 1: case to a jury, if he has the same viewpoint
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 1: after he watches that film, you tell me, pick any
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 1: organization of your choice, nonprofit and I'll give $ 25, 000 to
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 1: that organization.
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 3: I don't think you're going to change his mind with
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 3: that documentary. I really don't.
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 1: No, what he's going to say is, what he's going
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 1: to say is, clearly there's something going on because I
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 1: even got Michael Shermer, who's Skeptic Magazine, is like, wow,
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 1: this is intriguing.
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 3: You know, Michio Kaku has publicly stated now that the
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 3: preponderance of evidence is now, it leans in the direction
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 3: of it being real.
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's not, look, The phenomenon is real. The
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 1: only speculation is what is it?
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 3: What is it?
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 1: You know, people jump to conclusions quickly and they start
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 1: talking about babies floating in incubators out at Alpha Centauri.
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 1: And that's when you just lose everybody. It's like, whoa,
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 1: hang on a second. Nobody's saying that. What we're saying
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 1: is there's a physical phenomenon taking place, nuts and bolts, craft,
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 1: that are flying rings around our fastest jets that have
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 1: left imprints on the ground. They're picked up by radar sensor,
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 1: photographic sensors. FLIR sensors, they're seen visually. Some cases, people
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 1: claim that we've recovered them. Okay. But let's just forget
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 1: even that aspect of it. Let's just say that, you know,
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 1: the David Fravers of the world, and there's cases dating
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 1: back forever. I mean, really credible cases. What are those?
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 1: Is it us?
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 1: Well, if it's us, they sure have been hiding some
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 1: revolutionary technology for over 75 years. That in itself is
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 1: a huge story. They've got things that fly without wings.
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 1: without visible means of propulsion, without making any sound, any
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 1: air disturbance, that can do right-angle turns at high speed,
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 1: everything we know would shatter on the inside of that cockpit,
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 1: particularly humans. So what I'm saying is we know that.
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 1: We know that 5% or 10% of this represents possibly
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 1: originating from a non-human intelligence. That seems to be the
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 1: direction we're leaning in. So when Neil deGrasse Tyson comes
• 2:14:14
  Speaker 1: forward and says what he says, I'm like, you're just not...
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 1: I've had intelligence folks go, God, I'd like to talk
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 1: to that guy.
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 3: Well, the weirdest one he says is, why would they
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 3: be interested in us? Which I find hilarious.
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 1: Why wouldn't they be interested in us? Yeah.
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 3: Why wouldn't they be?
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 1: Of course.
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 3: Especially once we develop nuclear technology.
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 1: Totally. I mean.
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 3: We could fuck up. We're crazy territorial apes.
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 1: Has to be a correlation there.
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it makes sense. It only makes sense.
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 3: It literally only makes sense.
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 1: It really does.
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 3: If you were an alien life form that is interested
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 3: in the development of intelligent life in the universe, you
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 3: would realize it's probably a precarious balancing point when they
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 3: reach this apex of technology, especially when it comes to
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 3: nuclear power. And especially when it comes to what we
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 3: have available here on Earth in terms of natural resources,
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 3: and we battle for it, and we control. We're territorial.
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 3: We control territories. We're aggressive.
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 3: We're, we're crazy.
• 2:15:12
  Speaker 1: We're like, we shoot at these things.
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 3: Warlords.
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 1: We shoot at these.
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah. We shoot at these things and we certainly have
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 3: in the past. So, I mean, I think they're probably
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 3: beyond our ability to interact with them in that way.
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 3: They're probably so sophisticated that they're well aware of guns and,
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 3: and things that could, could damage them and injure them. But,
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 3: when you think about things like storms, like the Virginia case,
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 3: like how do you account for, I mean, the amount
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 3: of energy in a lightning storm is fucking insane. And
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 3: if they just plan it wrong, which is possible, if
• 2:15:49
  Speaker 3: something shifts, I mean, we're assuming they don't have control
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 3: of the weather. We're assuming they perhaps miscalculated or got
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 3: bad data, who knows? Or just a weird phenomenon where things,
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 3: I would imagine that even as technology increases, there's going
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 3: to be risk in everything. Just like with everything in life,
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 3: with car accidents and plane crashes. And I would imagine
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 3: that even at super advanced alien level technology, there's probably
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 3: the potential for a crash.
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 1: All right, so speaking of crash, this is something I
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 1: really wanted to read to your audience. This is the
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 1: recent UAP amendment or legislation that was signed into law.
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 1: I'm reading this directly verbatim, okay? And I'd like to
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 1: know what prompted this language. Any activity, thank you, Senator
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 1: Gillibrand and Rubio and others, any activity or program by
• 2:16:44
  Speaker 1: a department or agency of the federal government or a
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 1: contractor of such a department or agency related to unidentified
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 1: anomalous phenomena, including with respect to material retrieval, material analysis,
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 1: reverse engineering, research and development, detection and tracking. development or
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 1: operational testing. Now that's, it's right here. You can look
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 1: it up. The UAP legislation. What prompted that? What prompted that?
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 1: What prompted the whistleblower stuff? I mean, what is the
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 1: whistleblower stuff? What does it say? Protection for individuals making
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 1: authorized disclosures. Okay. Okay. shall not be subject to a
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 1: non-disclosure agreement entered into by the individual who makes the disclosure,
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 1: shall be deemed to comply, and it goes on. That's,
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  Speaker 1: does that not say something? That Congress and the Senators
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 1: are getting wind of what's going on why would they
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 1: put that language in there reverse engineering recovered materials I
• 2:17:59
  Speaker 1: mean come on man it's pretty compelling.
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  Speaker 3: Stuff well I'm sure they're hearing more than what we're
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 3: hearing oh they definitely are we're hearing a lot they
• 2:18:09
  Speaker 3: definitely are Listen, if it wasn't for people like you,
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 3: I mean, in your documentaries, it just spurs so much
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 3: interest and it gets people so excited that, you know,
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 3: when I watched it, I immediately had to talk to
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 3: you about it.
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 1: I know. I got your text and I was in
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 1: a workout room. We have this old dad. It's called
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 1: Dad Bod Class with this guy, Marty. He's Australian. And
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 1: we're in there listening to, like, what's that song? Rocky Balboa?
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 1: Come on. Dun, dun, dun. I had a tiger. I know.
• 2:18:40
  Speaker 1: It's so silly. We're laughing at ourselves. You know, we're
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 1: in there doing our weights and everything. And I always
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 1: keep my phone by my side because my son is
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 1: in school. He's eight years old and I got to
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 1: be available as a parent. Like something goes wrong. And, uh,
• 2:18:54
  Speaker 1: I hear this. I was like, ah, I'm doing my thing.
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 1: I go and I look and it says, unrecognized, unknown number.
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 1: It could be Joe Rogan. I was all, excuse me.
• 2:19:03
  Speaker 3: Excuse me.
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 1: Anyway, that was, that was really funny.
• 2:19:07
  Speaker 3: That's funny.
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 1: That was really funny. I want to know your favorite part,
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 1: if you don't mind me asking this. What's your favorite
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 1: part of Moment of Contact?
• 2:19:15
  Speaker 3: I don't know if I have a favorite part. Going
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 3: over the whole documentary, it might be when that man
• 2:19:21
  Speaker 3: starts crying. When that man goes to that site and
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 3: he starts crying. Because it's so intense. And you just
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 3: imagine being a person who has this extraordinary once in
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 3: a million lifetimes event. Where something from another world, something
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 3: you can't believe is real, something crashes down and you're
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 3: there to experience it. And you're of a handful of people.
• 2:19:44
  Speaker 1: I know, right?
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 3: And you have this memory burned in your psyche forever
• 2:19:49
  Speaker 3: and then someone brings you back to that site. Yeah.
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 3: And that guy was just overwhelmed.
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: That might have been my favorite part.
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 1: Me, I think it's the doctor and military actually drove
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 1: the creature around. I looked that guy in the eyes. Yeah. Yeah.
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 3: I wish I could look him in the eyes too.
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 1: Oh man, that was so intense. And I met him
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 1: like a couple of nights prior to that and it
• 2:20:08
  Speaker 1: was just, just sussing him out. It was just, it
• 2:20:11
  Speaker 1: was an incredible opportunity. Hey, do you mind if I,
• 2:20:14
  Speaker 1: if I acknowledge my family for all their support? Sure.
• 2:20:17
  Speaker 3: Please do.
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 1: I want to acknowledge my family, Rebecca and my son, Ollie.
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 1: He's been so supportive of me.
• 2:20:22
  Speaker 3: Shout out to Ollie.
• 2:20:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I said out to my son, Ollie, my sister
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 1: Kelly's been working so hard and my cousin Ian and
• 2:20:27
  Speaker 1: my other sister Janine and And Emily and Felix, you
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 1: guys have been so supportive.
• 2:20:32
  Speaker 3: This is an incredibly laborious thing you've done. The amount
• 2:20:37
  Speaker 3: of time and effort, especially this Brazil case.
• 2:20:40
  Speaker 1: How do you walk away from a case like this
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 1: if you think it's true?
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 3: If you think it's true and you're you, you can't.
• 2:20:46
  Speaker 3: I mean, you can't. You must be compelled. It's so important.
• 2:20:49
  Speaker 1: You can't let it go. You can't put it down.
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 1: It's just like you have no choice. What am I
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 1: going to do? I had this guy walk up to
• 2:20:55
  Speaker 1: me one time and he goes, why do you do
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 1: what you do? You're so compelled. What gives? I said, well,
• 2:21:02
  Speaker 1: let me ask you a question. If there was tangible
• 2:21:06
  Speaker 1: evidence being withheld, I'm not saying this is a fact,
• 2:21:09
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying hypothetically, if this was going on and
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 1: if it was being kept in the general public that
• 2:21:14
  Speaker 1: there's evidence that suggests we're not alone, how significant of
• 2:21:17
  Speaker 1: a story would you give that? And immediately he's like,
• 2:21:21
  Speaker 1: oh my God, if that was true, that would be
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 1: the most important thing ever. I mean, that's what we
• 2:21:26
  Speaker 1: all want to know. And I was like, well, I'm
• 2:21:28
  Speaker 1: convinced it's happening, so how do I walk away from it?
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 1: It's almost like what you love kills you, you know?
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 3: Well, I don't think it's killing you.
• 2:21:36
  Speaker 1: Well, almost did with Eric Lopes.
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a sketchy scene. That was a sketchy scene.
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 3: I think it's important, and I think you should be praised.
• 2:21:47
  Speaker 3: And I think that if this case is real, and
• 2:21:50
  Speaker 3: if these people are telling the truth, and my God,
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 3: it certainly seems like they are. It's unbelievable.
• 2:21:56
  Speaker 1: I mean.
• 2:21:57
  Speaker 3: The confirmation that some, and what's fascinating to me is
• 2:22:02
  Speaker 3: like that there's a lot of variation in these things.
• 2:22:05
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of variation in these experiences, a lot
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 3: of variation in these crafts. You've got to imagine there's
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 3: probably not just one world that's interested in us.
• 2:22:15
  Speaker 1: That's what I was thinking. It could be all of
• 2:22:16
  Speaker 1: the above.
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 3: It could be many worlds that are interested in us.
• 2:22:19
  Speaker 1: Such a huge universe.
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 3: It's impossible to even wrap your mind around how big
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 3: it is. And if something out there is like Earth
• 2:22:28
  Speaker 3: where intelligent life has evolved to a very significant point
• 2:22:32
  Speaker 3: but then keeps going for 1,000 years, 10,000 years, a
• 2:22:37
  Speaker 3: million years, what if they live in a more stable
• 2:22:40
  Speaker 3: environment where they're not getting pelted by asteroids like we are?
• 2:22:43
  Speaker 1: Neutralize the aging gene.
• 2:22:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what if they figure something out where they're not
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 3: subject to the same biological ailments that we are? What
• 2:22:51
  Speaker 3: if they incorporate some sort of technology into their physical bodies?
• 2:22:58
  Speaker 3: And that's them. What if they're a hybrid of artificial
• 2:23:02
  Speaker 3: intelligence and biological life? There's so many possibilities. So many possibilities.
• 2:23:06
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's almost impossible for us to even imagine
• 2:23:10
  Speaker 3: the variations that could be out there. Because you're talking
• 2:23:13
  Speaker 3: about a truly infinite universe.
• 2:23:17
  Speaker 1: And the.
• 2:23:18
  Speaker 3: They've already identified Goldilocks planets, more than one, multiple Goldilocks
• 2:23:24
  Speaker 3: planets in the known universe.
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 1: My son came up to me a couple of days
• 2:23:28
  Speaker 1: ago and he goes, Daddy, I've been thinking a lot
• 2:23:30
  Speaker 1: about this. I've been thinking a lot about this. I
• 2:23:32
  Speaker 1: think those creatures in Virginia, they came from a Goldilocks zone.
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh my God, I just about died.
• 2:23:41
  Speaker 3: That's amazing. So cute. That is cute.
• 2:23:43
  Speaker 1: He thought about it. He's been thinking about it. I'd
• 2:23:47
  Speaker 1: like for the next generation. I love the idea of
• 2:23:49
  Speaker 1: like not having all this secrecy. And look, we know
• 2:23:52
  Speaker 1: for sure there's secrecy surrounding this topic. That's just a fact.
• 2:23:57
  Speaker 3: Why?
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 1: Why can't we just.
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 3: Well, don't you think that once it begins with secrecy.
• 2:24:02
  Speaker 3: So if you, you take us back to 1947 to Roswell,
• 2:24:05
  Speaker 3: New Mexico, if it begins in secrecy, if the first
• 2:24:08
  Speaker 3: ever crashed UFOs, if that begins in secrecy, like what, what,
• 2:24:13
  Speaker 3: would compel them to stop that? And how much resources
• 2:24:18
  Speaker 3: would be involved in disseminating that information to the general public?
• 2:24:22
  Speaker 3: And why would you do that? Especially the way that
• 2:24:25
  Speaker 3: the government has treated us always when it comes to
• 2:24:29
  Speaker 3: matters of international conflict, when it comes to virtually anything,
• 2:24:35
  Speaker 3: they lie. And they always come up with a narrative
• 2:24:38
  Speaker 3: that is very loosely based on facts. And they spoon
• 2:24:43
  Speaker 3: feed the American public what they want us to hear.
• 2:24:46
  Speaker 3: Anything that would take away their agency. Like if you
• 2:24:52
  Speaker 3: want to pretend that you're in control of the United States,
• 2:24:55
  Speaker 3: the United States is in control of the world. But
• 2:24:57
  Speaker 3: all of a sudden there's these beings from another planet
• 2:25:00
  Speaker 3: that behave in a way and move with their crafts
• 2:25:03
  Speaker 3: in a way that's impossible for us to replicate. We
• 2:25:05
  Speaker 3: don't even understand the technology. We have no idea where
• 2:25:08
  Speaker 3: they're from, how they got here. They communicate with us telepathically.
• 2:25:12
  Speaker 3: I'd probably shut the fuck up, too, if I was
• 2:25:14
  Speaker 3: the president of the United States.
• 2:25:16
  Speaker 1: You know, I just asked that very question to Representative
• 2:25:21
  Speaker 1: Andre Carson a month ago because I was curious. It's like, okay,
• 2:25:24
  Speaker 1: you guys got Arrow.
• 2:25:25
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:25:26
  Speaker 1: You got all this investigations going on. You got all
• 2:25:29
  Speaker 1: this probe going on. Let's just say that they make
• 2:25:32
  Speaker 1: the determination after a careful review of the data, the
• 2:25:35
  Speaker 1: data that you and I don't have access to, That
• 2:25:38
  Speaker 1: some of these things represent or originate from a non-human intelligence.
• 2:25:42
  Speaker 1: Let's just say. Yeah. Now what? Now, does Kirkpatrick go
• 2:25:47
  Speaker 1: to Congress? Does he disclose that? It's not his job.
• 2:25:51
  Speaker 1: So did he go to Congress and did they disclose that? Well,
• 2:25:53
  Speaker 1: it's not really their job. Basically, they're going to be
• 2:25:56
  Speaker 1: saying we're not alone. So they go to the president,
• 2:25:59
  Speaker 1: whatever president that is. They're already so controversial. Half the
• 2:26:03
  Speaker 1: country hates them. So it's going to be politicized. So
• 2:26:05
  Speaker 1: the president can't do it. And who is that? What
• 2:26:07
  Speaker 1: do we represent? 4% of the world population? So we're
• 2:26:09
  Speaker 1: going to tell the rest of the world that we're
• 2:26:10
  Speaker 1: not alone? Do we do it internationally through the United Nations,
• 2:26:14
  Speaker 1: a panel of international scientists? If that happens, then we
• 2:26:16
  Speaker 1: have to share all of our sensitive private data, right?
• 2:26:21
  Speaker 1: Potential materials and bodies with the rest of the world.
• 2:26:24
  Speaker 1: I don't see how they can do it, to be
• 2:26:26
  Speaker 1: honest with you. And I've never really thought it through
• 2:26:28
  Speaker 1: like that before. Like think of the actual execution of disclosure.
• 2:26:33
  Speaker 1: How might that occur? And I asked that very question
• 2:26:36
  Speaker 1: to Andre Carson, Representative Andre Carson, the other day, and he's,
• 2:26:40
  Speaker 1: nobody's got a plan. There is no plan in place.
• 2:26:44
  Speaker 3: Wow. Right? It's all wow.
• 2:26:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:26:48
  Speaker 3: It's all wow.
• 2:26:48
  Speaker 1: I want to say one more thing. There's a documentary
• 2:26:52
  Speaker 1: that just came out. The guy's got a totally kind
• 2:26:55
  Speaker 1: of different perspective on the way he puts things together,
• 2:26:57
  Speaker 1: but the cast of characters regarding recovered materials, it's pretty compelling.
• 2:27:03
  Speaker 1: And it's called Accidental Truth by a guy named Ron James.
• 2:27:07
  Speaker 1: And I watched it. And again, it's not my style.
• 2:27:11
  Speaker 1: I tend to kind of be more muted.
• 2:27:12
  Speaker 3: Accidental Truth?
• 2:27:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Accidental Truth. Where is it available? Probably on iTunes
• 2:27:18
  Speaker 1: and Amazon, I'm guessing. But it has a cast of
• 2:27:21
  Speaker 1: characters that deal with potential recovered materials. And it's a
• 2:27:25
  Speaker 1: little bit. you know, like the artwork and stuff is
• 2:27:28
  Speaker 1: not my, my cup of tea, but I did watch it.
• 2:27:30
  Speaker 1: And I was like, Oh, this is interesting. Anyway, I
• 2:27:33
  Speaker 1: thought I'd mentioned that since we're on the topic of
• 2:27:34
  Speaker 1: recovered materials. So, et cetera, furthermore, henceforth.
• 2:27:39
  Speaker 3: Listen, man, um, what you're doing is very important. I really,
• 2:27:43
  Speaker 3: really believe that. And if this turns out to eventually
• 2:27:47
  Speaker 3: get released, you're a real trailblazer. And I think the
• 2:27:51
  Speaker 3: amount of labor and just the intense focus that you
• 2:27:54
  Speaker 3: put into just to make this one documentary, forget about
• 2:27:56
  Speaker 3: the phenomenon too. It's, um, It's amazing stuff, man.
• 2:28:00
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 2:28:01
  Speaker 3: I'm glad you're out there.
• 2:28:01
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 2:28:02
  Speaker 3: I appreciate you very much.
• 2:28:03
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Joe. I really appreciate you having me on.
• 2:28:05
  Speaker 1: It really means a lot.
• 2:28:06
  Speaker 3: My pleasure. One more time, your Twitter for everybody?
• 2:28:08
  Speaker 1: It's at James C. Fox, as in cat. James C. Fox.
• 2:28:14
  Speaker 1: That's my Twitter handle.
• 2:28:15
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 2:28:15
  Speaker 1: That's the first time I've ever given it out.
• 2:28:17
  Speaker 3: There you go, brother. Thank you very much.
• 2:28:19
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 2:28:19
  Speaker 3: I appreciate you. Thanks for having me on. A moment
• 2:28:21
  Speaker 3: of contact. Go watch it. It's fucking amazing. Bye, everybody.